Talk:Dyaus

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==Sanskrit Devnagri==

Does anyone have any idea how to write the name "Dyaus" in Sanskrit? It is not clear from the enlish transliteration, how it should be pronounced.
[[User:AaronCarson|AaronCarson]] ([[User talk:AaronCarson|talk]]) 18:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
:Fixed it. Note that the final स् -s becomes retroflex ष् -ṣ depending on the application of sandhi. PS, Wikipedia uses the standard spelling "Devanagari." [[User:Johanna-Hypatia|Johanna-Hypatia]] ([[User talk:Johanna-Hypatia|talk]]) 20:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Two Errors ==

1. The form "Dyausa" used repeatedly in this article does not exist.
2. The notion that an Indic term such as "Dyaus" could have been derived from Latin "Deus" is monstrously stupid (sorry, I can't put it any more nicely). —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pictonon|Pictonon]] ([[User talk:Pictonon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pictonon|contribs]]) 19:54, 16 May 2009 (UTC) 
:Who is saying it derives from Latin? I assume the article has been rewritten since then, because the article at present merely states that the two have a common ancestor.

--[[Special:Contributions/86.135.125.70|86.135.125.70]] ([[User talk:86.135.125.70|talk]]) 17:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::I looked through the article's history, and found where someone entered that the Sanskrit name derived from Latin on April 14, 2009, shortly before the above objection was posted, so the objection was justified. On June 2, someone else flipped the statement around, to derive the Latin word from Sanskrit, which is equally wrong. That was quickly corrected. Finally, on August 26, the correct Proto-Indo-European etymology was added. Also: I've just removed the erroneous final -a. Another error I caught was the derivation of ''dik'' (<√''diṣ'') from the same IE root as Dyaus; actually it derives from IE *deik-, a different root. [[User:Johanna-Hypatia|Johanna-Hypatia]] ([[User talk:Johanna-Hypatia|talk]]) 20:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Dethroned or killed by Indra ==
Dyaus or DyausPitr is killed/dethroned by Indra, who is also considered to be his son. His relationship with other gods like Agni & him being the originator of the Thunderbolt weapon, which was later adopted by Indra as his Vajra, need more clarification in this article. -[[User:Ambar wiki|Ambar wiki]] ([[User talk:Ambar wiki|talk]]) 03:49, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

This is ''speculation'' based on comparative mythology. If you have the sources, and are capable of presenting them properly, this can certainly be added.
I just hope people will stop adding random snippets they found on the internet as "fact" (because hey, in mythology everything can be a fact because it's made-up anyway, right?).
This article needs to cleanly distinguish what is based on Vedic philology, what is based on medieval commentaries on the Vedas, and what is based in comparative philology. --[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] [[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]] 19:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

== False interpretation - interpretatio Graeca/Romana error ==

In the Rigveda "Dyaus" occurs as mere name of the physical sky without any mythical implication in particular and in about 20 passages the word dyaus is feminine sometimes even when personfied. 
In the Rigveda the notion of paternity ascribed to Dyaus as the father (Dyaus pita) is found mentioned only in combination of the Earth as the mother (prthivi mata) - the dual compound: Heaven and Earth (Dyava-Prthivi). 
It is described that in the beginning at first both were united as one (RV X.55.1), but they are said to have been fashioned out into two world-halves. But there is hardly anything in the hymns as to celebrating as independence personality of Dyaus. 
Seemingly, the principal trait in the personification of Dyaus as father was not taken seriously in the Rigveda, and his fatherhood appears to be nothing more than a faded out myth. 
Veda recognises an Unknowable, Timeless, Unnameable behind and above all things, and not seizable by the mind. It cannot be known by that which is in Space and Time. Our thinking which is moving within the bounds of Space and Time cannot have access to it. A clear enunciation of this view is to be found in the Rigveda (RV I.170.1). 
The real basis is the Vedic vision of Oneness and unity of existence. The vision of oneness and unity is termed by the Veda as Knowledge, vidya; our normal experience of division is termed Ignorance, avidya. The aim of the Veda is to lead us to Knowledge as also to lifting of the mystery of Ignorance by a wonderful consciousness of One Reality which reconciles the One and the Many (RV I.164.46, X.114.5) 
References: 
Goddessess in Ancient India by Mr P.K. Agrawala 
Glimpses Of Vedic Literature by K. Joshi 
 
- Regards, A.B. --[[Special:Contributions/178.190.123.28|178.190.123.28]] ([[User talk:178.190.123.28|talk]]) 04:24, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

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