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== Serverless (decentralized) ==
The coulumn "Serverless (decentralized)" should be revised. Matrix e.g. is listed with "No". AFAIK Martix has servers but there is not a single server. It is a federated network of servers. So to a certain degree Matrix is decentralized but it is not really serverless. Also servers might be useful for offline messaging. I mean sending a message to someone who is offline by sending the message to the recipient's server and delivering it later to the client (Is there are better term for this?). Theoratically there could be three columns. One for serverless, one for decentralized networks and a third for offline messaging.

== Ports Used? ==
Would it make sense to add a column listing the typical ports used, or at least indicate what to expect from each protocol to help understand how each one fits into firewalling and routing schemes? [[User:Acodring|Acodring]] ([[User talk:Acodring|talk]]) 16:28, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== OSCAR spamfilter? ==
Isn't the spamfilter of ICQ client-based? --[[User:Enormator|Enormator]] ([[User talk:Enormator|talk]]) 10:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay I tested it now: I sent spam messages (links to pornographic websites and offense words) from icq6 to Pidgin 2.4.1 via OSCAR as a user not in the contact list. Nothing was filtered. So I changed the SPAM-filter flag of OSCAR from Yes? to NO|client-based --[[User:Enormator|Enormator]] ([[User talk:Enormator|talk]]) 11:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== More protocols ==
Should we add T.120 family of ITU standards? There is a protocol specially designed for "text chat" (T.140/T.134). It seems that Microsoft NetMeeting supports these protocols.
Also: the protocol is ad hoc (no centralised server). Should we add this feature as an extra section?
 There is a protocol defined by WAP Forum & Open Mobile Alliance. I think we should add it also. Name it IMPP (I have seen this term at www.protocols.com for IETF RFCs 2778&2779. But the RFCs pose a problem, and that protocol seems to be solution for it.)

--[[User:217.8.94.16|217.8.94.16]] 19:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone have all the info for SILC to add it to this list? [[User:MikeDawg|MikeDawg]] ([[User talk:MikeDawg|talk]]) 14:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

ALSO, what about [[AMQP]]? [[Special:Contributions/81.6.250.44|81.6.250.44]] ([[User talk:81.6.250.44|talk]]) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 12:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC). 

== Split list by type? ==

Perhaps this list should be re-arranged "Standard", "Proprietary," and "Obsolete" to help users decide which protocol to choose based on whether or not it's still used, and whether or not there's an IETF standard or something in the standards track for it. --[[User:BalooUrsidae|BalooUrsidae]] 08:46, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

The whole listing makes very little sense -- in terms of future editing i suggest we have

Standards Based

Proprietary

Obsolete

in each section (in a table) include

Creator First public release date License Identity (not inc. alias) Asynchronous message relaying Distributed network Offline messaging RFC's

Its always going to be confusing as Bonjour uses OSCAR AND XMPP and as these networks combine this will all change

== Merge of ''Comparison'' and ''List'' completed ==

I agree with the merge
--[[User:Davelane|Davelane]] 21:36, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree as well. Additional columns would be: server<->client encryption.
[[User:Tadu|Tadu]] 22:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Merging seems to be a good thing.
[[User:NaturalBornKiller|NaturalBornKiller]] 18:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Yep -- I agree with merge too. Is anybody (like me) able to do this, or does it require special permissions?
[[User:RichMoffitt|RichMoffitt]] 14:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Bulletin to All Friends ==

stpeter, how does '''XEP-0033: Extended Stanza Addressing''' implement a ''bulletin to all friends'' ? do you first manually have to define a recipient list containing all friends, then you can send something to it? does any client support such a function? or would it be easier for a client to simply copy the message to each buddy itself? I wouldn't say in the current state of things Jabber provides a ''Yes'' there, much more a ''Soon/RSN/ASAP/One Jolly Day'' ... --[[User:SymlynX|SymlynX]] 15:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== Netscape Communicator ==

Does this belong in this list? Or was it just a front-end for one of these clients? If so, I would like to see someone add that info as a footnote if nothing else. Thanks. [[User:JimScott|JimScott]] 08:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
:[[Netscape Communicator]] was an internet suite (browser/email/news/HTML authoring/calendaring). The discontinued Netscape Conference was more of a VoIP client. Indeed, the closest thing to instant messaging was the bundled AOL Instant Messenger (already in this comparison. --[[User:Karnesky|Karnesky]] 13:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{{result|The result of the debate was}}} '''move''' —[[User:Mets501|Mets501]] ([[User talk:Mets501|talk]]) 04:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

== Requested move ==
[[List of instant messaging protocols]] → [[Comparison of instant messaging protocols]] — This article is no longer a software list & has become a software comparison. [[User:Karnesky|Karnesky]] 16:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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* '''Support''' --[[User:Karnesky|Karnesky]] 16:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
* '''Support''' --[[User:NaturalBornKiller|NaturalBornKiller]] 18:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
* '''Support''' --[[User:SymlynX|lynX]] 13:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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==MySpace?==

Is the MySpace protocol on here yet? If so, should it be added? [[User:Omnipotence407|Omnipotence407]] 18:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
* It's called [[MySpaceIM]]. Quite a number of protocols are missing, [[Comparison of instant messaging clients]] is much more complete (but strangely lacks a Protocol column). MySpaceIM protocol is described [http://imfreedom.org/wiki/index.php/MySpaceIM here]. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.162.52.106|87.162.52.106]] ([[User talk:87.162.52.106|talk]]) 01:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC) 

== New columns ==
So 69.111.164.176 has added '''Supports groups or channels for members / nonmembers / nobody''' - I understand ''groups'' and [[chat room]]s and ''channels'' in [[IRC]] terminology, but how is '''members / nonmembers / nobody''' intended? Should we call the column simply ''[[chat room]]s'' ? --[[User:SymlynX|lynX]]

what about a one that says if you can log in at more then one location like with aol (oscar) you can but msn you cant) [[User:82.24.175.199|82.24.175.199]] 11:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see columns for fundamental features such as offline messaging and the ability to do batch transfers of multiple files and folders.[[User:Brolin|Brolin]] 16:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I find a chat room where nobody can chat a very valuable feature. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.162.52.106|87.162.52.106]] ([[User talk:87.162.52.106|talk]]) 01:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC) 

== Users ==

Arguably the most important property of an IM protocol is the userbase. Why isn't it mentioned here? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.233.117.221|88.233.117.221]] ([[User talk:88.233.117.221|talk]]) 10:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC) 

== ICQ Phone... ==

I'd say we could add something to the "Voip/Audio" Column, for example Icq 6 has now Voipcall functions and in America is IcqPhone available. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.234.210.157|87.234.210.157]] ([[User talk:87.234.210.157|talk]]) 17:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC) 

== TOC release date notes ==

I have a copy of Tik version 0.11 downloaded Nov 5, 1998
It includes a copy of the TOC1.0 protocol description with a file date of Oct 30, 1998.
I admit, this was the date of the release, not of the writing of the text.
The text bears a copyright date of 1998.
The early development progress is consistent with the initial release being within a few months before.
As such, I filled in 1998 without a month.
Maybe somebody else can be more specific.
--[[User:Divad27182|David Garfield]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 14:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Buddy authorization required? ==

I would like to know which protocols require buddy authorization. For example, AIM does not, and anybody can add you as a buddy and see whether you are online, but last I checked MSN or ICQ for example require the buddy to "authorize" the buddy request. Are there any other protocols like AIM that do not require authorization? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.123.18.216|67.123.18.216]] ([[User talk:67.123.18.216|talk]]) 10:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC) 

== IRC accuracy ==

*Bulletins to all contacts: I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. If it means "can someone send a message to every current connection to the server?", then the IRC protocol has [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2812#section-4.7 a WALLOPS command] which sends a message to everyone with user mode +w. If this means for a non-operator to send all current contacts (channels and "queried" nicks as defined by client?), that is possible with a nonstandard feature some clients support called /amsg, which should not be included in this comparison IMO.
*Batch file sharing: This is possible with [[Direct Client-to-Client]] (DCC), no?
*Media synchronization: What does this mean?
[[User:PiRSquared17|πr2]] ([[User talk:PiRSquared17|'''t''']] • [[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|'''c''']]) 20:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Comparison of instant messaging protocols

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== Ports Used? ==
Would it make sense to add a column listing the typical ports used, or at least indicate what to expect from each protocol to help understand how each one fits into firewalling and routing schemes? [[User:Acodring|Acodring]] ([[User talk:Acodring|talk]]) 16:28, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== OSCAR spamfilter? ==
Isn't the spamfilter of ICQ client-based? --[[User:Enormator|Enormator]] ([[User talk:Enormator|talk]]) 10:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay I tested it now: I sent spam messages (links to pornographic websites and offense words) from icq6 to Pidgin 2.4.1 via OSCAR as a user not in the contact list. Nothing was filtered. So I changed the SPAM-filter flag of OSCAR from Yes? to NO|client-based --[[User:Enormator|Enormator]] ([[User talk:Enormator|talk]]) 11:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== More protocols ==
Should we add T.120 family of ITU standards? There is a protocol specially designed for "text chat" (T.140/T.134). It seems that Microsoft NetMeeting supports these protocols.
Also: the protocol is ad hoc (no centralised server). Should we add this feature as an extra section?
 There is a protocol defined by WAP Forum & Open Mobile Alliance. I think we should add it also. Name it IMPP (I have seen this term at www.protocols.com for IETF RFCs 2778&2779. But the RFCs pose a problem, and that protocol seems to be solution for it.)

--[[User:217.8.94.16|217.8.94.16]] 19:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone have all the info for SILC to add it to this list? [[User:MikeDawg|MikeDawg]] ([[User talk:MikeDawg|talk]]) 14:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

ALSO, what about [[AMQP]]? [[Special:Contributions/81.6.250.44|81.6.250.44]] ([[User talk:81.6.250.44|talk]]) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 12:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC). 

== Split list by type? ==

Perhaps this list should be re-arranged "Standard", "Proprietary," and "Obsolete" to help users decide which protocol to choose based on whether or not it's still used, and whether or not there's an IETF standard or something in the standards track for it. --[[User:BalooUrsidae|BalooUrsidae]] 08:46, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

The whole listing makes very little sense -- in terms of future editing i suggest we have

Standards Based

Proprietary

Obsolete

in each section (in a table) include

Creator First public release date License Identity (not inc. alias) Asynchronous message relaying Distributed network Offline messaging RFC's

Its always going to be confusing as Bonjour uses OSCAR AND XMPP and as these networks combine this will all change

== Merge of ''Comparison'' and ''List'' completed ==

I agree with the merge
--[[User:Davelane|Davelane]] 21:36, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree as well. Additional columns would be: server<->client encryption.
[[User:Tadu|Tadu]] 22:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Merging seems to be a good thing.
[[User:NaturalBornKiller|NaturalBornKiller]] 18:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Yep -- I agree with merge too. Is anybody (like me) able to do this, or does it require special permissions?
[[User:RichMoffitt|RichMoffitt]] 14:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Bulletin to All Friends ==

stpeter, how does '''XEP-0033: Extended Stanza Addressing''' implement a ''bulletin to all friends'' ? do you first manually have to define a recipient list containing all friends, then you can send something to it? does any client support such a function? or would it be easier for a client to simply copy the message to each buddy itself? I wouldn't say in the current state of things Jabber provides a ''Yes'' there, much more a ''Soon/RSN/ASAP/One Jolly Day'' ... --[[User:SymlynX|SymlynX]] 15:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== Netscape Communicator ==

Does this belong in this list? Or was it just a front-end for one of these clients? If so, I would like to see someone add that info as a footnote if nothing else. Thanks. [[User:JimScott|JimScott]] 08:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
:[[Netscape Communicator]] was an internet suite (browser/email/news/HTML authoring/calendaring). The discontinued Netscape Conference was more of a VoIP client. Indeed, the closest thing to instant messaging was the bundled AOL Instant Messenger (already in this comparison. --[[User:Karnesky|Karnesky]] 13:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

<div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;">
:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the {{{type|proposal}}}. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. ''

{{{result|The result of the debate was}}} '''move''' —[[User:Mets501|Mets501]] ([[User talk:Mets501|talk]]) 04:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

== Requested move ==
[[List of instant messaging protocols]] → [[Comparison of instant messaging protocols]] — This article is no longer a software list & has become a software comparison. [[User:Karnesky|Karnesky]] 16:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

===Survey===
:''Add  <tt><big><nowiki>* '''Support'''</nowiki></big></tt>  or  <tt><big><nowiki>* '''Oppose'''</nowiki></big></tt>  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.
* '''Support''' --[[User:Karnesky|Karnesky]] 16:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
* '''Support''' --[[User:NaturalBornKiller|NaturalBornKiller]] 18:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
* '''Support''' --[[User:SymlynX|lynX]] 13:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>

==MySpace?==

Is the MySpace protocol on here yet? If so, should it be added? [[User:Omnipotence407|Omnipotence407]] 18:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
* It's called [[MySpaceIM]]. Quite a number of protocols are missing, [[Comparison of instant messaging clients]] is much more complete (but strangely lacks a Protocol column). MySpaceIM protocol is described [http://imfreedom.org/wiki/index.php/MySpaceIM here]. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.162.52.106|87.162.52.106]] ([[User talk:87.162.52.106|talk]]) 01:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC) 

== New columns ==
So 69.111.164.176 has added '''Supports groups or channels for members / nonmembers / nobody''' - I understand ''groups'' and [[chat room]]s and ''channels'' in [[IRC]] terminology, but how is '''members / nonmembers / nobody''' intended? Should we call the column simply ''[[chat room]]s'' ? --[[User:SymlynX|lynX]]

what about a one that says if you can log in at more then one location like with aol (oscar) you can but msn you cant) [[User:82.24.175.199|82.24.175.199]] 11:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see columns for fundamental features such as offline messaging and the ability to do batch transfers of multiple files and folders.[[User:Brolin|Brolin]] 16:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I find a chat room where nobody can chat a very valuable feature. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.162.52.106|87.162.52.106]] ([[User talk:87.162.52.106|talk]]) 01:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC) 

== Users ==

Arguably the most important property of an IM protocol is the userbase. Why isn't it mentioned here? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.233.117.221|88.233.117.221]] ([[User talk:88.233.117.221|talk]]) 10:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC) 

== ICQ Phone... ==

I'd say we could add something to the "Voip/Audio" Column, for example Icq 6 has now Voipcall functions and in America is IcqPhone available. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.234.210.157|87.234.210.157]] ([[User talk:87.234.210.157|talk]]) 17:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC) 

== TOC release date notes ==

I have a copy of Tik version 0.11 downloaded Nov 5, 1998
It includes a copy of the TOC1.0 protocol description with a file date of Oct 30, 1998.
I admit, this was the date of the release, not of the writing of the text.
The text bears a copyright date of 1998.
The early development progress is consistent with the initial release being within a few months before.
As such, I filled in 1998 without a month.
Maybe somebody else can be more specific.
--[[User:Divad27182|David Garfield]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 14:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Buddy authorization required? ==

I would like to know which protocols require buddy authorization. For example, AIM does not, and anybody can add you as a buddy and see whether you are online, but last I checked MSN or ICQ for example require the buddy to "authorize" the buddy request. Are there any other protocols like AIM that do not require authorization? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.123.18.216|67.123.18.216]] ([[User talk:67.123.18.216|talk]]) 10:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC) 

== IRC accuracy ==

*Bulletins to all contacts: I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. If it means "can someone send a message to every current connection to the server?", then the IRC protocol has [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2812#section-4.7 a WALLOPS command] which sends a message to everyone with user mode +w. If this means for a non-operator to send all current contacts (channels and "queried" nicks as defined by client?), that is possible with a nonstandard feature some clients support called /amsg, which should not be included in this comparison IMO.
*Batch file sharing: This is possible with [[Direct Client-to-Client]] (DCC), no?
*Media synchronization: What does this mean?
[[User:PiRSquared17|πr2]] ([[User talk:PiRSquared17|'''t''']] • [[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|'''c''']]) 20:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

== Serverless (decentralized) ==
The coulumn "Serverless (decentralized)" should be revised. Matrix e.g. is listed with "No". AFAIK Martix has servers but there is not a single server. It is a federated network of servers. So to a certain degree Matrix is decentralized but it is not really serverless. Also servers might be useful for offline messaging. I mean sending a message to someone who is offline by sending the message to the recipient's server and delivering it later to the client (Is there are better term for this?). Theoratically there could be three columns. One for serverless, one for decentralized networks and a third for offline messaging.