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84.236.37.246: /* These aren't the Freuds you're looking for */ Who are the Freuds they are looking for, then?

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===May 23===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 23, 2014.</noinclude>


====Windows 92 and friends====
*{{no redirect|1 = Windows 92 }} → [[Windows 3.1x]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Windows 92|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Windows 92|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Windows 92]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Windows 92]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
*{{no redirect|1 = Windows 85 }} → [[Windows 1.0]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Windows 85|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_85&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Windows+85 stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Windows 85|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windows 85|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Microsoft 95 }} → [[Windows 95]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Microsoft 95|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft_95&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Microsoft+95 stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Microsoft 95|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Microsoft 95|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
Not an actual name for the subject, not discussed in the target article, implausible search term. [[User:Ï¿½|ï¿½]] ([[User talk:Ï¿½|talk]]) 17:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [[Windows 85]] and [[Windows 92]], but '''Delete''' [[Microsoft 95]]. The first two match the naming scheme that Microsoft used for their Windows product (starting with Windows 95, and ending with Windows 2000), and thus could be useful. (I note that {{No redirect|Windows 2009}} redirects to [[Windows 7]], and {{No redirect|Windows 2007}} redirects to [[Windows Vista]].) However, {{No redirect|Microsoft 95}} could refer to a multitude of items, including [[Microsoft]] itself, and thus is to vague to be useful. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as creative inventions unused to refer to Windows. And Windows only used this schema for four editions (95,98,2000,2003), so is not indicative of standard Windows naming. It is not like Win8/8.1,NT,Win286,Win386. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 06:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per 65.94. Come off it, we have [[Windows Longhorn]] and so on as ''proper'' redirects. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Strong delete'''. Intrusive inventive names, invented after a patterns that appeared a decade later. (In other words, for these terms to become practically useful, one must be of a state of mind that can ''easily'' remember the release date of these Windows versions but have an excruciatingly thought time remember their name or chronological release order – which would be strange, because he who knows the date can deduce these as well.) Also delete {{No redirect|Windows 2007}} and {{No redirect|Windows 2009}}. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 22:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

====Small-Town America====
*{{no redirect|1 = Small-Town America }} → [[United States]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Small-Town America|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Small-Town America|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 6#Small-Town America]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 6#Small-Town America]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>As a first stab, suggesting '''Redirect''' to [[Main Street]].</s> This mentions "small-town America" several times though does not define it. I suggest it to give others a springboard. {{lang-hu|Főutca}} (Fő, principal + "utca", street), in the cap of the first pic there, needs the diacritical mark on the first: these are distinct letters not just helping hands as they are in e.g. Spanish or French, and "Foutca" without the accent makes no sense. I'll change that since it's tangential to this discussion. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:47, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not covered in target article, [[WP:REDLINK]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.206|65.94.171.206]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.206|talk]]) 04:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete''' per 65.94. One would think there should be an article, but since there isn't, a redlink is better. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 04:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
*'''Retarget''' to [[Middle America (United States)]]. Pinging [[User:TheChampionMan1234|TheChampionMan1234]] and [[User:SimonTrew|SimonTrew]] on this. These are very similar, maybe even identical concepts. A key phrase at the target article is "contrasted to the more metropolitan areas." Mentioning this phrase as a synonym there would be good. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Retarget''' per BDD. That's not perfect, it's not mentioned at the target , but it is ''better''.</s>
*'''Retarget''' but to [[Town#United States]].
:To elaborate (what else would you expect from me): In [[Middle America]] there is a piped link from "small town" (no hyphen) to [[Small-town#United States]]) but {{no redirect|1=Small-town}} itself is a redirect to [[Town]] (but not marked as {{tlx|R to section}}: that's easily fixed once we get consensus) so this ends up at [[Town#United States]]). Personally I am against piped links to redirects and especially to Rs to sections because the links can break so easily: [[quod erat demonstrandum|as I have just shown]]. It has been argued against me before (a long while ago, on the redirect discussion for [[Botanic gardens]] vs. [[Botanical gardens]]) that this pattern of piping to a redirect to a section is [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], but patently it ''is'' broken: either redirect to the section then you don't need the section in the pipe, or pipe it to the section in the article but not to the redirect: don't do both. They are fragile since "What links here" does not monitor pipes or redirects to sections but only to the pages themselves (hence the advice for courtesy comments at [[MOS:LINK2SECT]]). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*"What links here" for the dozen or so other uses of the redirect {{no redirect|1=Small-town}} (Portals for South Park characters, and a couple of references to that "small-town" feel in a place in California etc) suggest this is a better target. But I am with BDD it is a close-run thing and the concepts are probably nearly identical. However, retargeting it to [[Middle America (United States)]] essentially takes us through an enormous loop. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Too many options, none specifically related to this title enough to qualify. Best option is to delete this thing. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. per Steel1943, I's a common enough term (at least in British English, I have no idea if it is common in American English) that one should think it should go ''somewhere''; but the bind is, where? So delete it and let the search engine take care of it; I am not delighted about that but it seems the best of a bad job. I tried to think of British analogies such as [[Home Counties]] or [[Ruritania]] or [[Little Englander]] but none quite equate (not, of course, to suggest redirecting to any of those but as analogues); [[Little Britain]] of course means something completely different. I thought – and please correct me – it was also used as a political term to mean people who tend to vote for the [[Republican party (United States)]] and so on": "Right-thinking American people". So it is incredibly ambiguous. I think Steel1943 is right: '''delete''' it and leave it to the search engine. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

====Μοναχός====
*{{no redirect|1 = Μοναχός }} → [[Monasticism]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Μοναχός|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Μοναχός|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Μοναχός]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Μοναχός]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Monachos }} → [[Monasticism]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Monachos|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monachos&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Monachos stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Monachos|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Monachos|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Not especially Greek. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for Greek. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''delete first, keep second''' "Monachos" is in fact seen as a technical word for "monk" in early church and Eastern Orthodox literature. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 12:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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*Tough call. The term is mentioned at the target page, but only in the context of etymology. [[Eastern Christian monasticism]] would seem to be a better target, though they're not mentioned there. I think the same thing should happen to both redirects, however. It doesn't make sense to me to delete the Greek form but not its transliteration. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Although incorrect etymologocially, I was wondering of [[Monarchy]] would be a better target. I held off saying so but now it has been relisted I bung in. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====Μελαγχολία====
*{{no redirect|1 = Μελαγχολία }} → [[Melancholia]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Μελαγχολία|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Μελαγχολία|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15#Μελαγχολία]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15#Μελαγχολία]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

'''Delete'''. Not especially Greek. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

<s>'''Delete''' per Gorobay. Latin I think anyway.</s> Like the old greengrocers' song, "Come to me my [[melon]], [[cauliflower|caulie]] baby". [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Greeks are not the only people who suffer from melancholy. This generic topic has no particular affinity for Greek. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' actually I am in two minds about this... It '''is''' Greek etymologically for [[black bile]] which redirects there, but as Gorobay says it is not ''especially'' Greek. [[Melancholy]] also redirects there: which I would imagine is the more likely search term in English but the article stands at [[Melancholia]] and I imagine that was by consensus. By the way I and another editor created {{tlx|ety}} a few years ago but it seems that is very lightly used, unfortunately. I am disappointed nobody groaned at my pun, though. [[Alan Bennett]] says somewhere in his diaries "people who groan at puns either wish they thought of it or have seen it coming and had time to duck": but a good groan would have cheered me up a bit – I am a bit melancholic myself unfortunately but I will get over it in a day or two. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
::Hmm. To add to the confusion we do have an article for the song [[My Melancholy Baby]] which as you see is spelled with the -y and not the -ia. That is not a contradiction, songs should have their proper titles, but does it not indicate that the title should be [[melancholy]] with the redirect at [[melancholia]] (i.e. reverse the redirect)? But on the other hand it is quite a technical article and perhaps it is all best left where it stands. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Melancholia#Requested move|I think you're right]]. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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'''Comment''' Oddly enough [[BBC Radio 4]] had a programme on this morning – I didn't hear it I was napping but it is [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b044gp6c|here]] – which is named "Mel'''en'''colia". I doubt this is a pun, R4 does like to do pun things but I think that unlikely. Do we have a third spelling then? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 23:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Cadmium(I) hydride====
*{{no redirect|1 = Cadmium(I) hydride }} → [[Cadmium hydride]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Cadmium(I) hydride|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Cadmium(I) hydride|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Cadmium(I) hydride]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Cadmium(I) hydride]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Cadmium(I) hydride is a different compound CdH, while Cadmium hydride is CdH2 [[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 15:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:*'''delete''', its a different chemical, if it exist at all. [[User:Christian75|Christian75]] ([[User talk:Christian75|talk]])
:*'''Delete''' Per Christian75. I will look up CdH(I) and maybe do a drawing if it exists. I would think it would be rather unstable if it does exist. Declaration of interest: I used to work for [[Accelrys]], doing molecular modelling. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:*Doesn't seem to exist, at least as a common term. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::*I am not very sure about this, apparently CAS No. 13966-61-5 seems to be CdH, however googling only returns 17 results.--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 00:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I did find this cite but don't have the subscription:
::*{{cite journal|url=http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-540-69954-5_157|publisher=[[Springer Verlag]]|chapter=155 CdH X 2Σ+ Cadmium hydride|title=Diamagnetic Diatomic Molecules. Part 1|first=W.|last=Hüttner|year=2012|doi=10.1007/978-3-540-69954-5_157|isbn=978-3-540-69954-5|}}
:It's not clear to me from that if it is CdH2 or CdH(I) since I can't access the text without a subscription. But it does just say "Cadmium hydride" not "Cadmium(II) hydride" and the brief doesn't say Cd2 nor Cd(II). Is that any help or hindrance? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:18, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I found a {{PubChem|57459443}}, however it is CdH- there.--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 07:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

:::{{ping|jsjsjs1111}}, I have edited to bold the hyphen sup just cos it is very indistinct on my screen: not to change your comment as such but to aid the discussion. So what would that be, a CdH with a missing electron? Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 23:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====BWA World Three-cushion Championship====
*{{no redirect|1 = BWA World Three-cushion Championship }} → [[Billiards World Cup Association]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/BWA World Three-cushion Championship|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=BWA World Three-cushion Championship|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#BWA World Three-cushion Championship]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#BWA World Three-cushion Championship]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

'''Deletion'''. There hasn't been a "BWA World Championships" at all. In fact between 1988 and 1991 the UMB didn't organize world championships and the winners of the [[Three-Cushion World Cup]] were nominated instead. So the redirect has the wrong name/term. [[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 13:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. Can you expand your argument? I thought the BWA also looked after amateur snooker and so forth. I could be totally wrong there. Singluar There hasn't been a BWA, not plural... but that's a side point. I am missing the point somewhere here. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. Only the UMB (World association) is organizing world championships. The BWA (organizes only 3-cushion tournaments with Pro's) was a sub-assotiation of the UMB by that time. and like I explained above there were just 4 years where the UMB didn't organize World Champinships and they (UMB) nominated the winner of the World Cup as World Chanmpions. When you look into the article, you will see that there were a few World Cups held during these years. (88–91), and the overall-winner became World Champion. So you simply can't mix "BWA" with "World Champion(ships"). Hope it makes it more clear. Sorry for my english, no native speaker. --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 20:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:Please excuse me because I am English but live in Hungary: it is nice to see the World Snooker Championships broadcast here. You are obviously the expert here: but billiards and snooker are and pool are different things, but in Hungarian have the same word "billiard". What do you want done with it? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::What do you mean? --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 21:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::I didn't express it clearly. Is this specifically billiards or table games generally? I have just been brushing the pool table down at the pub, and in Hungary it is called "billiard" just genera lly for a table game – and the same in French – so we need to make that clear. [[Bar billiards]] for example. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:01, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Your questions are not pointing to my request, right? They're personally?! Just short: it' Carom billiards. No holes. If you are interested, read the corrosponding articles 4 more info. Billiards ist the Main Word for all Ball Games on tables. Russian Billiards, Pool, snooker, English Billiards, 5-pins, Artistique etc. Sorry for The autocorrection on my iPad! --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 22:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|LezFraniak}} I think e are going past each other. Don't worry about the typos/autocorrection. That was exactly my point: in many languages billiards means any game played with balls on a slate/baize table: in England it is a specific game played with two cue balls, one for each player, and one red ball. For example, the [[Gambling in the United Kingdom|Betting and Gaming Act 1960]], as revised but for which we haven't a specific article unfortunely, used to have to be displayed in summary in every pub in England, and allowed six specific games ("[[Cribbage]], [[Darts]], [[Pool (game)|Pool]], [[Bar billiards]], [[Shove-halfpenny]] and [[Dominoes]]" to be "played for small stakes on those parts of the premises open to the public". In particular for example you could play pool but not snooker. (It also said that "Betting and the passing of betting slips is prohibited": and if that ain't poetry I don't know what is: this is basically down to the [[off-course betting]] for which we don't seem to have an R although it is mentioned in the lede). So you could play [[bar billiards]] or pool but not snooker, for example. I was wondering how we make that clear and you may have some views on that. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 06:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::And no, it's not personal. I am asking for your expert advice. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:10, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::I created the R for [[off-course betting]]. It's in the first sentence of the lede as the British name for it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::Incidentally "on those parts of the premises open to the public" was there to discourage gambling for large stakes in the "back room". I really must one day make an article about this Act. I have been encouraged before to start creating [[bookmaker|bookmaking]] articles but I lack RS usually; which makes it tricky for me to create the articles. I should like to have nice pictures and create an article for [[Tic-Tac]], I must be one of the few who sill do it; most use mobile phones and I can still do Tic-Tac. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::Wow, [[Tic-tac]] ''has'' been created. I don't know how I can improve it without pics, though. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 13:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

====Glorified construction worker====
*{{no redirect|1 = Glorified construction worker }} → [[Civil engineer]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Glorified construction worker|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Glorified construction worker|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Glorified construction worker]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Glorified construction worker]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Inappropriate redirect. No incoming links. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]] ♠[[User talk:Jonkerz|talk]] 10:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:Seems inappropriate. See here for example by analogy (in the sense of [[Boring (earth)]]):
::*{{cite web|url=http://www.improbable.com/2013/07/02/the-day-engineers-ceased-to-be-boring-in-britain/|work=improbable.com|date=22 August 1996|title=The Day Engineers Ceased to be Boring|publisher=Associated Press|accessdate=23 May 2014}}
:That is probably not RS but the AP will be so I am sure we can find a better reference for the same thing. The [[Institution of Civil Engineers]] are perhaps a bit overprotective, though, but then I am just a very uncivil engineer. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:51, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. This redirect's existence is a violation of [[WP:NEUTRAL]]. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====That thing they did after voyager====
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:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was '''Delete''' by non-admin, but with consensus. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:23, 24 May 2014 (UTC)}
*{{no redirect|1 = That thing they did after voyager }} → [[Star Trek: Enterprise]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/That thing they did after voyager|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=That thing they did after voyager|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#That thing they did after voyager]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#That thing they did after voyager]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Inappropriate redirect. No incoming links. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]] ♠[[User talk:Jonkerz|talk]] 10:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per jonkerz. We don't have [[that planet between Mars and Saturn]], for example. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:55, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The term "they" could refer to anyone; the pronouns's context is not clear. And also, this redirect's title has several other inherent issues. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, no, "They" refers to a group of people you specifically dislike. See [[Orwell]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as a very vague redirect --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not about the flagship NASA mission after Voyager; nor is it about the Scaled Composite aircraft after Voyager. So highly ambiguous -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 06:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.</div>

====Template:Republic of China infobox====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:Republic of China infobox }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Republic of China infobox|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:Republic of China infobox|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:Taiwan infobox }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Taiwan infobox|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:Taiwan infobox|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Appears to be a copy of the infobox we already have at [[Taiwan]]/Republic of China, unnecessary [[WP:CNR|CNR]] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 01:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*If you don't mind, I'll add [[Template:Taiwan infobox]] to this nomination, as it's the same issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:38, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete all'''. I cannot wait for the day someone tries to transclude one of these redirects. Oh, the hilarity that will ensue due to transcluding the ENTIRE [[Taiwan]] article. I'm laughing as I type this. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' I hear the laugh and am glad to hear it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:35, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::''Laughing at myself.''' You know it will end up being me taking the sodding things out? (Chuckles) [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====中華民国====
*{{no redirect|1 = 中華民国 }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/中華民国|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:中華民国|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=中華民国|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:中華民国|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#中華民国]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:中華民国|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#中華民国]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Although this is a foreign-language redirect, it is half in [[Simplified Chinese]] and half in [[Traditional Chinese]], usually chinese people would only type in one script [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 01:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' It is Japanese [[Shinjitai]]. --[[User:Kusunose|Kusunose]] 04:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====These aren't the Freuds you're looking for====
*{{no redirect|1 = These aren't the Freuds you're looking for }} → [[Freud (disambiguation)]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#These aren't the Freuds you're looking for]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#These aren't the Freuds you're looking for]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
Joke redirect created in 2012. Should be deleted. — [[User:Scott|'''Scott''']] • [[User talk:Scott|''talk'']] 21:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC
*''' Jokes are OK''' not on articles but in discussions, at least in my opinion. It would be better to redirect it to to [[Sigmund Freud|Sigmund Fraud]] or [[Fraud family]] or something like that, as a [[honey trap]]. I know you would think that misleading but it isn't, at [[WP:DYK]] I tempt readers in with acccurate but gainsaying trigs and get a lot of hits for [[cryptic crossword|misleading but accurate]] links. I am not saying we should do that at articles. Articles should be serious; discussions should be light: as editors we need a break too. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:27, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom, and others above. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 23:03, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. It's much easier to make a [[Wikipedia:Piped link|piped link]] for jokes anyways.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::'''Delete''' per nom and Lenticel. That's true. I would never put a joke in article space. I just find the tone of Wikipedia sometimes ''too'' serious on its talk pages. If you look in most encyclopaedias or dictionaries there are a few jokes that have slipped past the editors – or been inserted by the editors – to lighten it a bit. [[Johnson's Dictionary]] certainly has a few.

::I am not saying turn Wikipedia into a comic book: I am saying it's OK, in ''discussions'', not to be so damned serious: part of my respect for other editors is that I have a joke with them. I wouldn't joke with people I don't care for. I have been told off for it, particularly by another editor to this discussion but I shall continue to do so: if other editors – especially admins with trigger-happy fingers – don't like it they can do the other thing; and the other editor closed a discussion down as admin with closing remarks telling me off for making jokes without the courtesy of perhaps saying on my talk page first? (And of course by doing so giving me no right of reply.) One reason I make jokes on discussion pages especially at RfD is that it seems actually to encourage debate and we get better consensus. The other reason is we should lighten up a bit: articles are serious and hard work, discussions can be a bit lighter

::Let me make it plain. To abuse me and say "stop making jokes" is an abuse of admin rights. Have you seen how much checking and reffing I do here. Who is the one with courtesy and who is the one without? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:36, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:::There has been no "abuse" of any kind. Your understanding of "admin rights" is evidently still very poor, following on from when you attempted (and failed miserably) to have me desysopped for speedily closing a discussion.
:::I will repeat what I said earlier: your frequent, rambling, paragraph-long digressions - let us take as an example the story of how you enjoy rearranging the items on the shelves of Hungarian supermarkets - are completely irrelevant to these discussions and detract from our being able to get things done. RfD does not need a resident comedian. — [[User:Scott|'''Scott''']] • [[User talk:Scott|''talk'']] 22:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::People have different styles. If you think I reamble, you should see the style at French or Hungarian wikipedia: A huge long ramble on many articles, which we tend to cut out on English Wikipedia. I said, the reason I ramble is that sometimes it gives other editors an idea how to do something better. To do so in an anecdotal rather than punch-you-in-face style is just a style. "Welcome to Wikipedia: the encyclopaedia anyone can edit unless they do so in a different way from anyone else". [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 08:49, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
::::The "polish" story, for example. Nowhere did I say it was in Hungary: and it wasn't, it was in England. Now, you have [[Polish]] and [[polish]]: Useful distinction there with the caps. You also have [[French polish]] and [[French Polish]] but not [[Polish Polish]] or [[Polish polish]]. We have [[American English]] and [[British English]] but not [[English Polish]] or [[Polish English]].
::::In no way was I denigrating people from Poland: I was trying to point out what would be a ''useful distinction'' on the capitals. So, the (true) story was meant lightly, but the point was serious: because we were discussing a lot of {{tlc|R from alternate capitalization}}s at the time.
::::Similarly this one. If ''These'' aren't the Freuds you're looking for, who ''are''the Freuds they are looking for? [[Freud (surname)]] does not exist. [[Freud (disambiguation)]] is where it retargets. Others are suggesting deletion. How else should we come to consensus? I didn't believe it was a case of just putting a tick in the box but discussing things: and people have different styles of discussion, which is all to the good.
::::I don't see how we can do that without discussing, sometimes at length, the possibilities. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 08:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23

2014-05-28T09:00:11Z

84.236.37.246: /* These aren't the Freuds you're looking for */ Another ramble then

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===May 23===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 23, 2014.</noinclude>


====Windows 92 and friends====
*{{no redirect|1 = Windows 92 }} → [[Windows 3.1x]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Windows 92|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Windows 92|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Windows 92]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Windows 92]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
*{{no redirect|1 = Windows 85 }} → [[Windows 1.0]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Windows 85|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_85&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Windows+85 stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Windows 85|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windows 85|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Microsoft 95 }} → [[Windows 95]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Microsoft 95|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft_95&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Microsoft+95 stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Microsoft 95|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Microsoft 95|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
Not an actual name for the subject, not discussed in the target article, implausible search term. [[User:Ï¿½|ï¿½]] ([[User talk:Ï¿½|talk]]) 17:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [[Windows 85]] and [[Windows 92]], but '''Delete''' [[Microsoft 95]]. The first two match the naming scheme that Microsoft used for their Windows product (starting with Windows 95, and ending with Windows 2000), and thus could be useful. (I note that {{No redirect|Windows 2009}} redirects to [[Windows 7]], and {{No redirect|Windows 2007}} redirects to [[Windows Vista]].) However, {{No redirect|Microsoft 95}} could refer to a multitude of items, including [[Microsoft]] itself, and thus is to vague to be useful. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as creative inventions unused to refer to Windows. And Windows only used this schema for four editions (95,98,2000,2003), so is not indicative of standard Windows naming. It is not like Win8/8.1,NT,Win286,Win386. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 06:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per 65.94. Come off it, we have [[Windows Longhorn]] and so on as ''proper'' redirects. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Strong delete'''. Intrusive inventive names, invented after a patterns that appeared a decade later. (In other words, for these terms to become practically useful, one must be of a state of mind that can ''easily'' remember the release date of these Windows versions but have an excruciatingly thought time remember their name or chronological release order – which would be strange, because he who knows the date can deduce these as well.) Also delete {{No redirect|Windows 2007}} and {{No redirect|Windows 2009}}. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 22:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

====Small-Town America====
*{{no redirect|1 = Small-Town America }} → [[United States]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Small-Town America|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Small-Town America|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 6#Small-Town America]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 6#Small-Town America]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>As a first stab, suggesting '''Redirect''' to [[Main Street]].</s> This mentions "small-town America" several times though does not define it. I suggest it to give others a springboard. {{lang-hu|Főutca}} (Fő, principal + "utca", street), in the cap of the first pic there, needs the diacritical mark on the first: these are distinct letters not just helping hands as they are in e.g. Spanish or French, and "Foutca" without the accent makes no sense. I'll change that since it's tangential to this discussion. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:47, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not covered in target article, [[WP:REDLINK]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.206|65.94.171.206]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.206|talk]]) 04:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete''' per 65.94. One would think there should be an article, but since there isn't, a redlink is better. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 04:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
*'''Retarget''' to [[Middle America (United States)]]. Pinging [[User:TheChampionMan1234|TheChampionMan1234]] and [[User:SimonTrew|SimonTrew]] on this. These are very similar, maybe even identical concepts. A key phrase at the target article is "contrasted to the more metropolitan areas." Mentioning this phrase as a synonym there would be good. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Retarget''' per BDD. That's not perfect, it's not mentioned at the target , but it is ''better''.</s>
*'''Retarget''' but to [[Town#United States]].
:To elaborate (what else would you expect from me): In [[Middle America]] there is a piped link from "small town" (no hyphen) to [[Small-town#United States]]) but {{no redirect|1=Small-town}} itself is a redirect to [[Town]] (but not marked as {{tlx|R to section}}: that's easily fixed once we get consensus) so this ends up at [[Town#United States]]). Personally I am against piped links to redirects and especially to Rs to sections because the links can break so easily: [[quod erat demonstrandum|as I have just shown]]. It has been argued against me before (a long while ago, on the redirect discussion for [[Botanic gardens]] vs. [[Botanical gardens]]) that this pattern of piping to a redirect to a section is [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], but patently it ''is'' broken: either redirect to the section then you don't need the section in the pipe, or pipe it to the section in the article but not to the redirect: don't do both. They are fragile since "What links here" does not monitor pipes or redirects to sections but only to the pages themselves (hence the advice for courtesy comments at [[MOS:LINK2SECT]]). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*"What links here" for the dozen or so other uses of the redirect {{no redirect|1=Small-town}} (Portals for South Park characters, and a couple of references to that "small-town" feel in a place in California etc) suggest this is a better target. But I am with BDD it is a close-run thing and the concepts are probably nearly identical. However, retargeting it to [[Middle America (United States)]] essentially takes us through an enormous loop. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
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*'''Delete'''. Too many options, none specifically related to this title enough to qualify. Best option is to delete this thing. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. per Steel1943, I's a common enough term (at least in British English, I have no idea if it is common in American English) that one should think it should go ''somewhere''; but the bind is, where? So delete it and let the search engine take care of it; I am not delighted about that but it seems the best of a bad job. I tried to think of British analogies such as [[Home Counties]] or [[Ruritania]] or [[Little Englander]] but none quite equate (not, of course, to suggest redirecting to any of those but as analogues); [[Little Britain]] of course means something completely different. I thought – and please correct me – it was also used as a political term to mean people who tend to vote for the [[Republican party (United States)]] and so on": "Right-thinking American people". So it is incredibly ambiguous. I think Steel1943 is right: '''delete''' it and leave it to the search engine. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

====Μοναχός====
*{{no redirect|1 = Μοναχός }} → [[Monasticism]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Μοναχός|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Μοναχός|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Μοναχός]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Μοναχός]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Monachos }} → [[Monasticism]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Monachos|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monachos&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Monachos stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Monachos|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Monachos|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Not especially Greek. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for Greek. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''delete first, keep second''' "Monachos" is in fact seen as a technical word for "monk" in early church and Eastern Orthodox literature. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 12:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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*Tough call. The term is mentioned at the target page, but only in the context of etymology. [[Eastern Christian monasticism]] would seem to be a better target, though they're not mentioned there. I think the same thing should happen to both redirects, however. It doesn't make sense to me to delete the Greek form but not its transliteration. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Although incorrect etymologocially, I was wondering of [[Monarchy]] would be a better target. I held off saying so but now it has been relisted I bung in. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====Μελαγχολία====
*{{no redirect|1 = Μελαγχολία }} → [[Melancholia]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Μελαγχολία|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Μελαγχολία|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15#Μελαγχολία]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15#Μελαγχολία]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

'''Delete'''. Not especially Greek. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

<s>'''Delete''' per Gorobay. Latin I think anyway.</s> Like the old greengrocers' song, "Come to me my [[melon]], [[cauliflower|caulie]] baby". [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Greeks are not the only people who suffer from melancholy. This generic topic has no particular affinity for Greek. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' actually I am in two minds about this... It '''is''' Greek etymologically for [[black bile]] which redirects there, but as Gorobay says it is not ''especially'' Greek. [[Melancholy]] also redirects there: which I would imagine is the more likely search term in English but the article stands at [[Melancholia]] and I imagine that was by consensus. By the way I and another editor created {{tlx|ety}} a few years ago but it seems that is very lightly used, unfortunately. I am disappointed nobody groaned at my pun, though. [[Alan Bennett]] says somewhere in his diaries "people who groan at puns either wish they thought of it or have seen it coming and had time to duck": but a good groan would have cheered me up a bit – I am a bit melancholic myself unfortunately but I will get over it in a day or two. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
::Hmm. To add to the confusion we do have an article for the song [[My Melancholy Baby]] which as you see is spelled with the -y and not the -ia. That is not a contradiction, songs should have their proper titles, but does it not indicate that the title should be [[melancholy]] with the redirect at [[melancholia]] (i.e. reverse the redirect)? But on the other hand it is quite a technical article and perhaps it is all best left where it stands. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Melancholia#Requested move|I think you're right]]. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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'''Comment''' Oddly enough [[BBC Radio 4]] had a programme on this morning – I didn't hear it I was napping but it is [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b044gp6c|here]] – which is named "Mel'''en'''colia". I doubt this is a pun, R4 does like to do pun things but I think that unlikely. Do we have a third spelling then? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 23:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Cadmium(I) hydride====
*{{no redirect|1 = Cadmium(I) hydride }} → [[Cadmium hydride]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Cadmium(I) hydride|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Cadmium(I) hydride|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Cadmium(I) hydride]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Cadmium(I) hydride]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Cadmium(I) hydride is a different compound CdH, while Cadmium hydride is CdH2 [[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 15:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:*'''delete''', its a different chemical, if it exist at all. [[User:Christian75|Christian75]] ([[User talk:Christian75|talk]])
:*'''Delete''' Per Christian75. I will look up CdH(I) and maybe do a drawing if it exists. I would think it would be rather unstable if it does exist. Declaration of interest: I used to work for [[Accelrys]], doing molecular modelling. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:*Doesn't seem to exist, at least as a common term. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::*I am not very sure about this, apparently CAS No. 13966-61-5 seems to be CdH, however googling only returns 17 results.--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 00:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I did find this cite but don't have the subscription:
::*{{cite journal|url=http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-540-69954-5_157|publisher=[[Springer Verlag]]|chapter=155 CdH X 2Σ+ Cadmium hydride|title=Diamagnetic Diatomic Molecules. Part 1|first=W.|last=Hüttner|year=2012|doi=10.1007/978-3-540-69954-5_157|isbn=978-3-540-69954-5|}}
:It's not clear to me from that if it is CdH2 or CdH(I) since I can't access the text without a subscription. But it does just say "Cadmium hydride" not "Cadmium(II) hydride" and the brief doesn't say Cd2 nor Cd(II). Is that any help or hindrance? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:18, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I found a {{PubChem|57459443}}, however it is CdH- there.--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 07:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

:::{{ping|jsjsjs1111}}, I have edited to bold the hyphen sup just cos it is very indistinct on my screen: not to change your comment as such but to aid the discussion. So what would that be, a CdH with a missing electron? Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 23:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====BWA World Three-cushion Championship====
*{{no redirect|1 = BWA World Three-cushion Championship }} → [[Billiards World Cup Association]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/BWA World Three-cushion Championship|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=BWA World Three-cushion Championship|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#BWA World Three-cushion Championship]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#BWA World Three-cushion Championship]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

'''Deletion'''. There hasn't been a "BWA World Championships" at all. In fact between 1988 and 1991 the UMB didn't organize world championships and the winners of the [[Three-Cushion World Cup]] were nominated instead. So the redirect has the wrong name/term. [[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 13:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. Can you expand your argument? I thought the BWA also looked after amateur snooker and so forth. I could be totally wrong there. Singluar There hasn't been a BWA, not plural... but that's a side point. I am missing the point somewhere here. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. Only the UMB (World association) is organizing world championships. The BWA (organizes only 3-cushion tournaments with Pro's) was a sub-assotiation of the UMB by that time. and like I explained above there were just 4 years where the UMB didn't organize World Champinships and they (UMB) nominated the winner of the World Cup as World Chanmpions. When you look into the article, you will see that there were a few World Cups held during these years. (88–91), and the overall-winner became World Champion. So you simply can't mix "BWA" with "World Champion(ships"). Hope it makes it more clear. Sorry for my english, no native speaker. --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 20:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:Please excuse me because I am English but live in Hungary: it is nice to see the World Snooker Championships broadcast here. You are obviously the expert here: but billiards and snooker are and pool are different things, but in Hungarian have the same word "billiard". What do you want done with it? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::What do you mean? --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 21:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::I didn't express it clearly. Is this specifically billiards or table games generally? I have just been brushing the pool table down at the pub, and in Hungary it is called "billiard" just genera lly for a table game – and the same in French – so we need to make that clear. [[Bar billiards]] for example. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:01, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Your questions are not pointing to my request, right? They're personally?! Just short: it' Carom billiards. No holes. If you are interested, read the corrosponding articles 4 more info. Billiards ist the Main Word for all Ball Games on tables. Russian Billiards, Pool, snooker, English Billiards, 5-pins, Artistique etc. Sorry for The autocorrection on my iPad! --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 22:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|LezFraniak}} I think e are going past each other. Don't worry about the typos/autocorrection. That was exactly my point: in many languages billiards means any game played with balls on a slate/baize table: in England it is a specific game played with two cue balls, one for each player, and one red ball. For example, the [[Gambling in the United Kingdom|Betting and Gaming Act 1960]], as revised but for which we haven't a specific article unfortunely, used to have to be displayed in summary in every pub in England, and allowed six specific games ("[[Cribbage]], [[Darts]], [[Pool (game)|Pool]], [[Bar billiards]], [[Shove-halfpenny]] and [[Dominoes]]" to be "played for small stakes on those parts of the premises open to the public". In particular for example you could play pool but not snooker. (It also said that "Betting and the passing of betting slips is prohibited": and if that ain't poetry I don't know what is: this is basically down to the [[off-course betting]] for which we don't seem to have an R although it is mentioned in the lede). So you could play [[bar billiards]] or pool but not snooker, for example. I was wondering how we make that clear and you may have some views on that. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 06:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::And no, it's not personal. I am asking for your expert advice. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:10, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::I created the R for [[off-course betting]]. It's in the first sentence of the lede as the British name for it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::Incidentally "on those parts of the premises open to the public" was there to discourage gambling for large stakes in the "back room". I really must one day make an article about this Act. I have been encouraged before to start creating [[bookmaker|bookmaking]] articles but I lack RS usually; which makes it tricky for me to create the articles. I should like to have nice pictures and create an article for [[Tic-Tac]], I must be one of the few who sill do it; most use mobile phones and I can still do Tic-Tac. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::Wow, [[Tic-tac]] ''has'' been created. I don't know how I can improve it without pics, though. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 13:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

====Glorified construction worker====
*{{no redirect|1 = Glorified construction worker }} → [[Civil engineer]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Glorified construction worker|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Glorified construction worker|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Glorified construction worker]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Glorified construction worker]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Inappropriate redirect. No incoming links. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]] ♠[[User talk:Jonkerz|talk]] 10:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:Seems inappropriate. See here for example by analogy (in the sense of [[Boring (earth)]]):
::*{{cite web|url=http://www.improbable.com/2013/07/02/the-day-engineers-ceased-to-be-boring-in-britain/|work=improbable.com|date=22 August 1996|title=The Day Engineers Ceased to be Boring|publisher=Associated Press|accessdate=23 May 2014}}
:That is probably not RS but the AP will be so I am sure we can find a better reference for the same thing. The [[Institution of Civil Engineers]] are perhaps a bit overprotective, though, but then I am just a very uncivil engineer. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:51, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. This redirect's existence is a violation of [[WP:NEUTRAL]]. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====That thing they did after voyager====
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:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was '''Delete''' by non-admin, but with consensus. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:23, 24 May 2014 (UTC)}
*{{no redirect|1 = That thing they did after voyager }} → [[Star Trek: Enterprise]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/That thing they did after voyager|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=That thing they did after voyager|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#That thing they did after voyager]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#That thing they did after voyager]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Inappropriate redirect. No incoming links. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]] ♠[[User talk:Jonkerz|talk]] 10:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per jonkerz. We don't have [[that planet between Mars and Saturn]], for example. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:55, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The term "they" could refer to anyone; the pronouns's context is not clear. And also, this redirect's title has several other inherent issues. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, no, "They" refers to a group of people you specifically dislike. See [[Orwell]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as a very vague redirect --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not about the flagship NASA mission after Voyager; nor is it about the Scaled Composite aircraft after Voyager. So highly ambiguous -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 06:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Template:Republic of China infobox====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:Republic of China infobox }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Republic of China infobox|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:Republic of China infobox|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:Taiwan infobox }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Taiwan infobox|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:Taiwan infobox|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Appears to be a copy of the infobox we already have at [[Taiwan]]/Republic of China, unnecessary [[WP:CNR|CNR]] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 01:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*If you don't mind, I'll add [[Template:Taiwan infobox]] to this nomination, as it's the same issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:38, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete all'''. I cannot wait for the day someone tries to transclude one of these redirects. Oh, the hilarity that will ensue due to transcluding the ENTIRE [[Taiwan]] article. I'm laughing as I type this. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' I hear the laugh and am glad to hear it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:35, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::''Laughing at myself.''' You know it will end up being me taking the sodding things out? (Chuckles) [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====中華民国====
*{{no redirect|1 = 中華民国 }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/中華民国|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:中華民国|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=中華民国|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:中華民国|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#中華民国]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:中華民国|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#中華民国]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Although this is a foreign-language redirect, it is half in [[Simplified Chinese]] and half in [[Traditional Chinese]], usually chinese people would only type in one script [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 01:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' It is Japanese [[Shinjitai]]. --[[User:Kusunose|Kusunose]] 04:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====These aren't the Freuds you're looking for====
*{{no redirect|1 = These aren't the Freuds you're looking for }} → [[Freud (disambiguation)]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#These aren't the Freuds you're looking for]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#These aren't the Freuds you're looking for]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
Joke redirect created in 2012. Should be deleted. — [[User:Scott|'''Scott''']] • [[User talk:Scott|''talk'']] 21:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC
*''' Jokes are OK''' not on articles but in discussions, at least in my opinion. It would be better to redirect it to to [[Sigmund Freud|Sigmund Fraud]] or [[Fraud family]] or something like that, as a [[honey trap]]. I know you would think that misleading but it isn't, at [[WP:DYK]] I tempt readers in with acccurate but gainsaying trigs and get a lot of hits for [[cryptic crossword|misleading but accurate]] links. I am not saying we should do that at articles. Articles should be serious; discussions should be light: as editors we need a break too. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:27, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom, and others above. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 23:03, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. It's much easier to make a [[Wikipedia:Piped link|piped link]] for jokes anyways.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::'''Delete''' per nom and Lenticel. That's true. I would never put a joke in article space. I just find the tone of Wikipedia sometimes ''too'' serious on its talk pages. If you look in most encyclopaedias or dictionaries there are a few jokes that have slipped past the editors – or been inserted by the editors – to lighten it a bit. [[Johnson's Dictionary]] certainly has a few.

::I am not saying turn Wikipedia into a comic book: I am saying it's OK, in ''discussions'', not to be so damned serious: part of my respect for other editors is that I have a joke with them. I wouldn't joke with people I don't care for. I have been told off for it, particularly by another editor to this discussion but I shall continue to do so: if other editors – especially admins with trigger-happy fingers – don't like it they can do the other thing; and the other editor closed a discussion down as admin with closing remarks telling me off for making jokes without the courtesy of perhaps saying on my talk page first? (And of course by doing so giving me no right of reply.) One reason I make jokes on discussion pages especially at RfD is that it seems actually to encourage debate and we get better consensus. The other reason is we should lighten up a bit: articles are serious and hard work, discussions can be a bit lighter

::Let me make it plain. To abuse me and say "stop making jokes" is an abuse of admin rights. Have you seen how much checking and reffing I do here. Who is the one with courtesy and who is the one without? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:36, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:::There has been no "abuse" of any kind. Your understanding of "admin rights" is evidently still very poor, following on from when you attempted (and failed miserably) to have me desysopped for speedily closing a discussion.
:::I will repeat what I said earlier: your frequent, rambling, paragraph-long digressions - let us take as an example the story of how you enjoy rearranging the items on the shelves of Hungarian supermarkets - are completely irrelevant to these discussions and detract from our being able to get things done. RfD does not need a resident comedian. — [[User:Scott|'''Scott''']] • [[User talk:Scott|''talk'']] 22:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::People have different styles. If you think I reamble, you should see the style at French or Hungarian wikipedia: A huge long ramble on many articles, which we tend to cut out on English Wikipedia. I said, the reason I ramble is that sometimes it gives other editors an idea how to do something better. To do so in an anecdotal rather than punch-you-in-face style is just a style. "Welcome to Wikipedia: the encyclopaedia anyone can edit unless they do so in a different way from anyone else". [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 08:49, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
::::The "polish" story, for example. Nowhere did I say it was in Hungary: and it wasn't, it was in England. Now, you have [[Polish]] and [[polish]]: Useful distinction there with the caps. You also have [[French polish]] but not [[French Polish]]. So, the (true) story was meant lightly, but the point was serious: because we were discussing a lot of {{tlc|R from alternate capitalization}}s at the time.
::::Similarly this one. If ''These'' aren't the Freuds you're looking for, who ''are''? [[Freud (surname)]] does not exist. [[Freud (disambiguation)]] is where it retargets. Others are suggesting deletion. How else should we come to consensus? I didn't believe it was a case of just putting a tick in the box but discussing things: and people have different styles of discussion, which is all to the good.
:::::I will be told off for making paragraph-long ramble again. Don't care any more, I am nearly done with Wikipedia, anyway, since from 6 June it is changing its privacy policy and I don't agree with it. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 08:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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===May 23===
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====Windows 92 and friends====
*{{no redirect|1 = Windows 92 }} → [[Windows 3.1x]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Windows 92|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Windows 92|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Windows 92]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Windows 92]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
*{{no redirect|1 = Windows 85 }} → [[Windows 1.0]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Windows 85|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_85&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Windows+85 stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Windows 85|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windows 85|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Microsoft 95 }} → [[Windows 95]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Microsoft 95|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft_95&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Microsoft+95 stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Microsoft 95|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Microsoft 95|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
Not an actual name for the subject, not discussed in the target article, implausible search term. [[User:Ï¿½|ï¿½]] ([[User talk:Ï¿½|talk]]) 17:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [[Windows 85]] and [[Windows 92]], but '''Delete''' [[Microsoft 95]]. The first two match the naming scheme that Microsoft used for their Windows product (starting with Windows 95, and ending with Windows 2000), and thus could be useful. (I note that {{No redirect|Windows 2009}} redirects to [[Windows 7]], and {{No redirect|Windows 2007}} redirects to [[Windows Vista]].) However, {{No redirect|Microsoft 95}} could refer to a multitude of items, including [[Microsoft]] itself, and thus is to vague to be useful. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as creative inventions unused to refer to Windows. And Windows only used this schema for four editions (95,98,2000,2003), so is not indicative of standard Windows naming. It is not like Win8/8.1,NT,Win286,Win386. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 06:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per 65.94. Come off it, we have [[Windows Longhorn]] and so on as ''proper'' redirects. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Strong delete'''. Intrusive inventive names, invented after a patterns that appeared a decade later. (In other words, for these terms to become practically useful, one must be of a state of mind that can ''easily'' remember the release date of these Windows versions but have an excruciatingly thought time remember their name or chronological release order – which would be strange, because he who knows the date can deduce these as well.) Also delete {{No redirect|Windows 2007}} and {{No redirect|Windows 2009}}. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 22:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

====Small-Town America====
*{{no redirect|1 = Small-Town America }} → [[United States]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Small-Town America|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Small-Town America|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 6#Small-Town America]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 6#Small-Town America]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>As a first stab, suggesting '''Redirect''' to [[Main Street]].</s> This mentions "small-town America" several times though does not define it. I suggest it to give others a springboard. {{lang-hu|Főutca}} (Fő, principal + "utca", street), in the cap of the first pic there, needs the diacritical mark on the first: these are distinct letters not just helping hands as they are in e.g. Spanish or French, and "Foutca" without the accent makes no sense. I'll change that since it's tangential to this discussion. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:47, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not covered in target article, [[WP:REDLINK]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.206|65.94.171.206]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.206|talk]]) 04:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete''' per 65.94. One would think there should be an article, but since there isn't, a redlink is better. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 04:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
*'''Retarget''' to [[Middle America (United States)]]. Pinging [[User:TheChampionMan1234|TheChampionMan1234]] and [[User:SimonTrew|SimonTrew]] on this. These are very similar, maybe even identical concepts. A key phrase at the target article is "contrasted to the more metropolitan areas." Mentioning this phrase as a synonym there would be good. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Retarget''' per BDD. That's not perfect, it's not mentioned at the target , but it is ''better''.</s>
*'''Retarget''' but to [[Town#United States]].
:To elaborate (what else would you expect from me): In [[Middle America]] there is a piped link from "small town" (no hyphen) to [[Small-town#United States]]) but {{no redirect|1=Small-town}} itself is a redirect to [[Town]] (but not marked as {{tlx|R to section}}: that's easily fixed once we get consensus) so this ends up at [[Town#United States]]). Personally I am against piped links to redirects and especially to Rs to sections because the links can break so easily: [[quod erat demonstrandum|as I have just shown]]. It has been argued against me before (a long while ago, on the redirect discussion for [[Botanic gardens]] vs. [[Botanical gardens]]) that this pattern of piping to a redirect to a section is [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], but patently it ''is'' broken: either redirect to the section then you don't need the section in the pipe, or pipe it to the section in the article but not to the redirect: don't do both. They are fragile since "What links here" does not monitor pipes or redirects to sections but only to the pages themselves (hence the advice for courtesy comments at [[MOS:LINK2SECT]]). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*"What links here" for the dozen or so other uses of the redirect {{no redirect|1=Small-town}} (Portals for South Park characters, and a couple of references to that "small-town" feel in a place in California etc) suggest this is a better target. But I am with BDD it is a close-run thing and the concepts are probably nearly identical. However, retargeting it to [[Middle America (United States)]] essentially takes us through an enormous loop. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Too many options, none specifically related to this title enough to qualify. Best option is to delete this thing. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. per Steel1943, I's a common enough term (at least in British English, I have no idea if it is common in American English) that one should think it should go ''somewhere''; but the bind is, where? So delete it and let the search engine take care of it; I am not delighted about that but it seems the best of a bad job. I tried to think of British analogies such as [[Home Counties]] or [[Ruritania]] or [[Little Englander]] but none quite equate (not, of course, to suggest redirecting to any of those but as analogues); [[Little Britain]] of course means something completely different. I thought – and please correct me – it was also used as a political term to mean people who tend to vote for the [[Republican party (United States)]] and so on": "Right-thinking American people". So it is incredibly ambiguous. I think Steel1943 is right: '''delete''' it and leave it to the search engine. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

====Μοναχός====
*{{no redirect|1 = Μοναχός }} → [[Monasticism]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Μοναχός|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Μοναχός|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Μοναχός]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Μοναχός]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Monachos }} → [[Monasticism]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Monachos|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monachos&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Monachos stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Monachos|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Monachos|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Not especially Greek. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for Greek. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''delete first, keep second''' "Monachos" is in fact seen as a technical word for "monk" in early church and Eastern Orthodox literature. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 12:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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*Tough call. The term is mentioned at the target page, but only in the context of etymology. [[Eastern Christian monasticism]] would seem to be a better target, though they're not mentioned there. I think the same thing should happen to both redirects, however. It doesn't make sense to me to delete the Greek form but not its transliteration. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Although incorrect etymologocially, I was wondering of [[Monarchy]] would be a better target. I held off saying so but now it has been relisted I bung in. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====Μελαγχολία====
*{{no redirect|1 = Μελαγχολία }} → [[Melancholia]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Μελαγχολία|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Μελαγχολία|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15#Μελαγχολία]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15#Μελαγχολία]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

'''Delete'''. Not especially Greek. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

<s>'''Delete''' per Gorobay. Latin I think anyway.</s> Like the old greengrocers' song, "Come to me my [[melon]], [[cauliflower|caulie]] baby". [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Greeks are not the only people who suffer from melancholy. This generic topic has no particular affinity for Greek. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' actually I am in two minds about this... It '''is''' Greek etymologically for [[black bile]] which redirects there, but as Gorobay says it is not ''especially'' Greek. [[Melancholy]] also redirects there: which I would imagine is the more likely search term in English but the article stands at [[Melancholia]] and I imagine that was by consensus. By the way I and another editor created {{tlx|ety}} a few years ago but it seems that is very lightly used, unfortunately. I am disappointed nobody groaned at my pun, though. [[Alan Bennett]] says somewhere in his diaries "people who groan at puns either wish they thought of it or have seen it coming and had time to duck": but a good groan would have cheered me up a bit – I am a bit melancholic myself unfortunately but I will get over it in a day or two. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
::Hmm. To add to the confusion we do have an article for the song [[My Melancholy Baby]] which as you see is spelled with the -y and not the -ia. That is not a contradiction, songs should have their proper titles, but does it not indicate that the title should be [[melancholy]] with the redirect at [[melancholia]] (i.e. reverse the redirect)? But on the other hand it is quite a technical article and perhaps it is all best left where it stands. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Melancholia#Requested move|I think you're right]]. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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'''Comment''' Oddly enough [[BBC Radio 4]] had a programme on this morning – I didn't hear it I was napping but it is [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b044gp6c|here]] – which is named "Mel'''en'''colia". I doubt this is a pun, R4 does like to do pun things but I think that unlikely. Do we have a third spelling then? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 23:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Cadmium(I) hydride====
*{{no redirect|1 = Cadmium(I) hydride }} → [[Cadmium hydride]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Cadmium(I) hydride|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Cadmium(I) hydride|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Cadmium(I) hydride]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Cadmium(I) hydride]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Cadmium(I) hydride is a different compound CdH, while Cadmium hydride is CdH2 [[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 15:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:*'''delete''', its a different chemical, if it exist at all. [[User:Christian75|Christian75]] ([[User talk:Christian75|talk]])
:*'''Delete''' Per Christian75. I will look up CdH(I) and maybe do a drawing if it exists. I would think it would be rather unstable if it does exist. Declaration of interest: I used to work for [[Accelrys]], doing molecular modelling. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:*Doesn't seem to exist, at least as a common term. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::*I am not very sure about this, apparently CAS No. 13966-61-5 seems to be CdH, however googling only returns 17 results.--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 00:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I did find this cite but don't have the subscription:
::*{{cite journal|url=http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-540-69954-5_157|publisher=[[Springer Verlag]]|chapter=155 CdH X 2Σ+ Cadmium hydride|title=Diamagnetic Diatomic Molecules. Part 1|first=W.|last=Hüttner|year=2012|doi=10.1007/978-3-540-69954-5_157|isbn=978-3-540-69954-5|}}
:It's not clear to me from that if it is CdH2 or CdH(I) since I can't access the text without a subscription. But it does just say "Cadmium hydride" not "Cadmium(II) hydride" and the brief doesn't say Cd2 nor Cd(II). Is that any help or hindrance? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:18, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I found a {{PubChem|57459443}}, however it is CdH- there.--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 07:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

:::{{ping|jsjsjs1111}}, I have edited to bold the hyphen sup just cos it is very indistinct on my screen: not to change your comment as such but to aid the discussion. So what would that be, a CdH with a missing electron? Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 23:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====BWA World Three-cushion Championship====
*{{no redirect|1 = BWA World Three-cushion Championship }} → [[Billiards World Cup Association]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/BWA World Three-cushion Championship|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=BWA World Three-cushion Championship|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#BWA World Three-cushion Championship]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#BWA World Three-cushion Championship]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

'''Deletion'''. There hasn't been a "BWA World Championships" at all. In fact between 1988 and 1991 the UMB didn't organize world championships and the winners of the [[Three-Cushion World Cup]] were nominated instead. So the redirect has the wrong name/term. [[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 13:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. Can you expand your argument? I thought the BWA also looked after amateur snooker and so forth. I could be totally wrong there. Singluar There hasn't been a BWA, not plural... but that's a side point. I am missing the point somewhere here. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. Only the UMB (World association) is organizing world championships. The BWA (organizes only 3-cushion tournaments with Pro's) was a sub-assotiation of the UMB by that time. and like I explained above there were just 4 years where the UMB didn't organize World Champinships and they (UMB) nominated the winner of the World Cup as World Chanmpions. When you look into the article, you will see that there were a few World Cups held during these years. (88–91), and the overall-winner became World Champion. So you simply can't mix "BWA" with "World Champion(ships"). Hope it makes it more clear. Sorry for my english, no native speaker. --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 20:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:Please excuse me because I am English but live in Hungary: it is nice to see the World Snooker Championships broadcast here. You are obviously the expert here: but billiards and snooker are and pool are different things, but in Hungarian have the same word "billiard". What do you want done with it? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::What do you mean? --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 21:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::I didn't express it clearly. Is this specifically billiards or table games generally? I have just been brushing the pool table down at the pub, and in Hungary it is called "billiard" just genera lly for a table game – and the same in French – so we need to make that clear. [[Bar billiards]] for example. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:01, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Your questions are not pointing to my request, right? They're personally?! Just short: it' Carom billiards. No holes. If you are interested, read the corrosponding articles 4 more info. Billiards ist the Main Word for all Ball Games on tables. Russian Billiards, Pool, snooker, English Billiards, 5-pins, Artistique etc. Sorry for The autocorrection on my iPad! --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 22:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|LezFraniak}} I think e are going past each other. Don't worry about the typos/autocorrection. That was exactly my point: in many languages billiards means any game played with balls on a slate/baize table: in England it is a specific game played with two cue balls, one for each player, and one red ball. For example, the [[Gambling in the United Kingdom|Betting and Gaming Act 1960]], as revised but for which we haven't a specific article unfortunely, used to have to be displayed in summary in every pub in England, and allowed six specific games ("[[Cribbage]], [[Darts]], [[Pool (game)|Pool]], [[Bar billiards]], [[Shove-halfpenny]] and [[Dominoes]]" to be "played for small stakes on those parts of the premises open to the public". In particular for example you could play pool but not snooker. (It also said that "Betting and the passing of betting slips is prohibited": and if that ain't poetry I don't know what is: this is basically down to the [[off-course betting]] for which we don't seem to have an R although it is mentioned in the lede). So you could play [[bar billiards]] or pool but not snooker, for example. I was wondering how we make that clear and you may have some views on that. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 06:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::And no, it's not personal. I am asking for your expert advice. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:10, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::I created the R for [[off-course betting]]. It's in the first sentence of the lede as the British name for it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::Incidentally "on those parts of the premises open to the public" was there to discourage gambling for large stakes in the "back room". I really must one day make an article about this Act. I have been encouraged before to start creating [[bookmaker|bookmaking]] articles but I lack RS usually; which makes it tricky for me to create the articles. I should like to have nice pictures and create an article for [[Tic-Tac]], I must be one of the few who sill do it; most use mobile phones and I can still do Tic-Tac. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::Wow, [[Tic-tac]] ''has'' been created. I don't know how I can improve it without pics, though. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 13:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

====Glorified construction worker====
*{{no redirect|1 = Glorified construction worker }} → [[Civil engineer]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Glorified construction worker|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Glorified construction worker|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Glorified construction worker]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Glorified construction worker]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Inappropriate redirect. No incoming links. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]] ♠[[User talk:Jonkerz|talk]] 10:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:Seems inappropriate. See here for example by analogy (in the sense of [[Boring (earth)]]):
::*{{cite web|url=http://www.improbable.com/2013/07/02/the-day-engineers-ceased-to-be-boring-in-britain/|work=improbable.com|date=22 August 1996|title=The Day Engineers Ceased to be Boring|publisher=Associated Press|accessdate=23 May 2014}}
:That is probably not RS but the AP will be so I am sure we can find a better reference for the same thing. The [[Institution of Civil Engineers]] are perhaps a bit overprotective, though, but then I am just a very uncivil engineer. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:51, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. This redirect's existence is a violation of [[WP:NEUTRAL]]. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====That thing they did after voyager====
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:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was '''Delete''' by non-admin, but with consensus. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:23, 24 May 2014 (UTC)}
*{{no redirect|1 = That thing they did after voyager }} → [[Star Trek: Enterprise]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/That thing they did after voyager|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=That thing they did after voyager|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#That thing they did after voyager]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#That thing they did after voyager]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Inappropriate redirect. No incoming links. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]] ♠[[User talk:Jonkerz|talk]] 10:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per jonkerz. We don't have [[that planet between Mars and Saturn]], for example. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:55, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The term "they" could refer to anyone; the pronouns's context is not clear. And also, this redirect's title has several other inherent issues. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, no, "They" refers to a group of people you specifically dislike. See [[Orwell]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as a very vague redirect --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not about the flagship NASA mission after Voyager; nor is it about the Scaled Composite aircraft after Voyager. So highly ambiguous -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 06:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Template:Republic of China infobox====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:Republic of China infobox }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Republic of China infobox|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:Republic of China infobox|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:Taiwan infobox }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Taiwan infobox|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:Taiwan infobox|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Appears to be a copy of the infobox we already have at [[Taiwan]]/Republic of China, unnecessary [[WP:CNR|CNR]] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 01:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*If you don't mind, I'll add [[Template:Taiwan infobox]] to this nomination, as it's the same issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:38, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete all'''. I cannot wait for the day someone tries to transclude one of these redirects. Oh, the hilarity that will ensue due to transcluding the ENTIRE [[Taiwan]] article. I'm laughing as I type this. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' I hear the laugh and am glad to hear it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:35, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::''Laughing at myself.''' You know it will end up being me taking the sodding things out? (Chuckles) [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====中華民国====
*{{no redirect|1 = 中華民国 }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/中華民国|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:中華民国|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=中華民国|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:中華民国|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#中華民国]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:中華民国|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#中華民国]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Although this is a foreign-language redirect, it is half in [[Simplified Chinese]] and half in [[Traditional Chinese]], usually chinese people would only type in one script [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 01:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' It is Japanese [[Shinjitai]]. --[[User:Kusunose|Kusunose]] 04:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====These aren't the Freuds you're looking for====
*{{no redirect|1 = These aren't the Freuds you're looking for }} → [[Freud (disambiguation)]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#These aren't the Freuds you're looking for]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#These aren't the Freuds you're looking for]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
Joke redirect created in 2012. Should be deleted. — [[User:Scott|'''Scott''']] • [[User talk:Scott|''talk'']] 21:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC
*''' Jokes are OK''' not on articles but in discussions, at least in my opinion. It would be better to redirect it to to [[Sigmund Freud|Sigmund Fraud]] or [[Fraud family]] or something like that, as a [[honey trap]]. I know you would think that misleading but it isn't, at [[WP:DYK]] I tempt readers in with acccurate but gainsaying trigs and get a lot of hits for [[cryptic crossword|misleading but accurate]] links. I am not saying we should do that at articles. Articles should be serious; discussions should be light: as editors we need a break too. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:27, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom, and others above. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 23:03, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. It's much easier to make a [[Wikipedia:Piped link|piped link]] for jokes anyways.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::'''Delete''' per nom and Lenticel. That's true. I would never put a joke in article space. I just find the tone of Wikipedia sometimes ''too'' serious on its talk pages. If you look in most encyclopaedias or dictionaries there are a few jokes that have slipped past the editors – or been inserted by the editors – to lighten it a bit. [[Johnson's Dictionary]] certainly has a few.

::I am not saying turn Wikipedia into a comic book: I am saying it's OK, in ''discussions'', not to be so damned serious: part of my respect for other editors is that I have a joke with them. I wouldn't joke with people I don't care for. I have been told off for it, particularly by another editor to this discussion but I shall continue to do so: if other editors – especially admins with trigger-happy fingers – don't like it they can do the other thing; and the other editor closed a discussion down as admin with closing remarks telling me off for making jokes without the courtesy of perhaps saying on my talk page first? (And of course by doing so giving me no right of reply.) One reason I make jokes on discussion pages especially at RfD is that it seems actually to encourage debate and we get better consensus. The other reason is we should lighten up a bit: articles are serious and hard work, discussions can be a bit lighter

::Let me make it plain. To abuse me and say "stop making jokes" is an abuse of admin rights. Have you seen how much checking and reffing I do here. Who is the one with courtesy and who is the one without? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:36, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:::There has been no "abuse" of any kind. Your understanding of "admin rights" is evidently still very poor, following on from when you attempted (and failed miserably) to have me desysopped for speedily closing a discussion.
:::I will repeat what I said earlier: your frequent, rambling, paragraph-long digressions - let us take as an example the story of how you enjoy rearranging the items on the shelves of Hungarian supermarkets - are completely irrelevant to these discussions and detract from our being able to get things done. RfD does not need a resident comedian. — [[User:Scott|'''Scott''']] • [[User talk:Scott|''talk'']] 22:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::People have different styles. If you think I reamble, you should see the style at French or Hungarian wikipedia: A huge long ramble on many articles, which we tend to cut out on English Wikipedia. I said, the reason I ramble is that sometimes it gives other editors an idea how to do something better. To do so in an anecdotal rather than punch-you-in-face style is just a style. "Welcome to Wikipedia: the encyclopaedia anyone can edit unless they do so in a different way from anyone else". [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 08:49, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
::::The "polish" story, for example. Nowhere did I say it was in Hungary: and it wasn't, it was in England. Now, you have [[Polish]] and [[polish]]: Useful distinction there with the caps. You also have [[French polish]] but not [[French Polish]]. So, the (true) story was meant lightly, but the point was serious: because we were discussing a lot of {{R from alternate capitalization}}s at the time.
::::Similarly this one. If ''These'' aren't the Freuds you're looking for, who ''are''? [[Freud (surname)]]? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 08:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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84.236.37.246: /* These aren't the Freuds you're looking for */ And?

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84.236.37.246: /* Cadmium(I) hydride */ cocked it

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84.236.37.246: /* Cadmium(I) hydride */ Would that be a missing electron then?

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===May 23===
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====Windows 92 and friends====
*{{no redirect|1 = Windows 92 }} → [[Windows 3.1x]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Windows 92|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Windows 92|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Windows 92]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Windows 92]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
*{{no redirect|1 = Windows 85 }} → [[Windows 1.0]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Windows 85|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_85&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Windows+85 stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Windows 85|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windows 85|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Microsoft 95 }} → [[Windows 95]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Microsoft 95|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft_95&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Microsoft+95 stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Microsoft 95|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Microsoft 95|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
Not an actual name for the subject, not discussed in the target article, implausible search term. [[User:Ï¿½|ï¿½]] ([[User talk:Ï¿½|talk]]) 17:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [[Windows 85]] and [[Windows 92]], but '''Delete''' [[Microsoft 95]]. The first two match the naming scheme that Microsoft used for their Windows product (starting with Windows 95, and ending with Windows 2000), and thus could be useful. (I note that {{No redirect|Windows 2009}} redirects to [[Windows 7]], and {{No redirect|Windows 2007}} redirects to [[Windows Vista]].) However, {{No redirect|Microsoft 95}} could refer to a multitude of items, including [[Microsoft]] itself, and thus is to vague to be useful. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as creative inventions unused to refer to Windows. And Windows only used this schema for four editions (95,98,2000,2003), so is not indicative of standard Windows naming. It is not like Win8/8.1,NT,Win286,Win386. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 06:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per 65.94. Come off it, we have [[Windows Longhorn]] and so on as ''proper'' redirects. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Strong delete'''. Intrusive inventive names, invented after a patterns that appeared a decade later. (In other words, for these terms to become practically useful, one must be of a state of mind that can ''easily'' remember the release date of these Windows versions but have an excruciatingly thought time remember their name or chronological release order – which would be strange, because he who knows the date can deduce these as well.) Also delete {{No redirect|Windows 2007}} and {{No redirect|Windows 2009}}. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 22:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

====Small-Town America====
*{{no redirect|1 = Small-Town America }} → [[United States]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Small-Town America|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Small-Town America|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 6#Small-Town America]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 6#Small-Town America]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>As a first stab, suggesting '''Redirect''' to [[Main Street]].</s> This mentions "small-town America" several times though does not define it. I suggest it to give others a springboard. {{lang-hu|Főutca}} (Fő, principal + "utca", street), in the cap of the first pic there, needs the diacritical mark on the first: these are distinct letters not just helping hands as they are in e.g. Spanish or French, and "Foutca" without the accent makes no sense. I'll change that since it's tangential to this discussion. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:47, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not covered in target article, [[WP:REDLINK]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.206|65.94.171.206]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.206|talk]]) 04:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete''' per 65.94. One would think there should be an article, but since there isn't, a redlink is better. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 04:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
*'''Retarget''' to [[Middle America (United States)]]. Pinging [[User:TheChampionMan1234|TheChampionMan1234]] and [[User:SimonTrew|SimonTrew]] on this. These are very similar, maybe even identical concepts. A key phrase at the target article is "contrasted to the more metropolitan areas." Mentioning this phrase as a synonym there would be good. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Retarget''' per BDD. That's not perfect, it's not mentioned at the target , but it is ''better''.</s>
*'''Retarget''' but to [[Town#United States]].
:To elaborate (what else would you expect from me): In [[Middle America]] there is a piped link from "small town" (no hyphen) to [[Small-town#United States]]) but {{no redirect|1=Small-town}} itself is a redirect to [[Town]] (but not marked as {{tlx|R to section}}: that's easily fixed once we get consensus) so this ends up at [[Town#United States]]). Personally I am against piped links to redirects and especially to Rs to sections because the links can break so easily: [[quod erat demonstrandum|as I have just shown]]. It has been argued against me before (a long while ago, on the redirect discussion for [[Botanic gardens]] vs. [[Botanical gardens]]) that this pattern of piping to a redirect to a section is [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], but patently it ''is'' broken: either redirect to the section then you don't need the section in the pipe, or pipe it to the section in the article but not to the redirect: don't do both. They are fragile since "What links here" does not monitor pipes or redirects to sections but only to the pages themselves (hence the advice for courtesy comments at [[MOS:LINK2SECT]]). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*"What links here" for the dozen or so other uses of the redirect {{no redirect|1=Small-town}} (Portals for South Park characters, and a couple of references to that "small-town" feel in a place in California etc) suggest this is a better target. But I am with BDD it is a close-run thing and the concepts are probably nearly identical. However, retargeting it to [[Middle America (United States)]] essentially takes us through an enormous loop. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Too many options, none specifically related to this title enough to qualify. Best option is to delete this thing. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. per Steel1943, I's a common enough term (at least in British English, I have no idea if it is common in American English) that one should think it should go ''somewhere''; but the bind is, where? So delete it and let the search engine take care of it; I am not delighted about that but it seems the best of a bad job. I tried to think of British analogies such as [[Home Counties]] or [[Ruritania]] or [[Little Englander]] but none quite equate (not, of course, to suggest redirecting to any of those but as analogues); [[Little Britain]] of course means something completely different. I thought – and please correct me – it was also used as a political term to mean people who tend to vote for the [[Republican party (United States)]] and so on": "Right-thinking American people". So it is incredibly ambiguous. I think Steel1943 is right: '''delete''' it and leave it to the search engine. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

====Μοναχός====
*{{no redirect|1 = Μοναχός }} → [[Monasticism]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Μοναχός|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Μοναχός|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Μοναχός]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Μοναχός]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Monachos }} → [[Monasticism]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Monachos|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monachos&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Monachos stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Monachos|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Monachos|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Not especially Greek. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for Greek. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''delete first, keep second''' "Monachos" is in fact seen as a technical word for "monk" in early church and Eastern Orthodox literature. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 12:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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*Tough call. The term is mentioned at the target page, but only in the context of etymology. [[Eastern Christian monasticism]] would seem to be a better target, though they're not mentioned there. I think the same thing should happen to both redirects, however. It doesn't make sense to me to delete the Greek form but not its transliteration. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Although incorrect etymologocially, I was wondering of [[Monarchy]] would be a better target. I held off saying so but now it has been relisted I bung in. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====Μελαγχολία====
*{{no redirect|1 = Μελαγχολία }} → [[Melancholia]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Μελαγχολία|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Μελαγχολία|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15#Μελαγχολία]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15#Μελαγχολία]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

'''Delete'''. Not especially Greek. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

<s>'''Delete''' per Gorobay. Latin I think anyway.</s> Like the old greengrocers' song, "Come to me my [[melon]], [[cauliflower|caulie]] baby". [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Greeks are not the only people who suffer from melancholy. This generic topic has no particular affinity for Greek. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' actually I am in two minds about this... It '''is''' Greek etymologically for [[black bile]] which redirects there, but as Gorobay says it is not ''especially'' Greek. [[Melancholy]] also redirects there: which I would imagine is the more likely search term in English but the article stands at [[Melancholia]] and I imagine that was by consensus. By the way I and another editor created {{tlx|ety}} a few years ago but it seems that is very lightly used, unfortunately. I am disappointed nobody groaned at my pun, though. [[Alan Bennett]] says somewhere in his diaries "people who groan at puns either wish they thought of it or have seen it coming and had time to duck": but a good groan would have cheered me up a bit – I am a bit melancholic myself unfortunately but I will get over it in a day or two. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
::Hmm. To add to the confusion we do have an article for the song [[My Melancholy Baby]] which as you see is spelled with the -y and not the -ia. That is not a contradiction, songs should have their proper titles, but does it not indicate that the title should be [[melancholy]] with the redirect at [[melancholia]] (i.e. reverse the redirect)? But on the other hand it is quite a technical article and perhaps it is all best left where it stands. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Melancholia#Requested move|I think you're right]]. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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'''Comment''' Oddly enough [[BBC Radio 4]] had a programme on this morning – I didn't hear it I was napping but it is [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b044gp6c|here]] – which is named "Mel'''en'''colia". I doubt this is a pun, R4 does like to do pun things but I think that unlikely. Do we have a third spelling then? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 23:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Cadmium(I) hydride====
*{{no redirect|1 = Cadmium(I) hydride }} → [[Cadmium hydride]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Cadmium(I) hydride|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Cadmium(I) hydride|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Cadmium(I) hydride]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Cadmium(I) hydride]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Cadmium(I) hydride is a different compound CdH, while Cadmium hydride is CdH2 [[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 15:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:*'''delete''', its a different chemical, if it exist at all. [[User:Christian75|Christian75]] ([[User talk:Christian75|talk]])
:*'''Delete''' Per Christian75. I will look up CdH(I) and maybe do a drawing if it exists. I would think it would be rather unstable if it does exist. Declaration of interest: I used to work for [[Accelrys]], doing molecular modelling. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:*Doesn't seem to exist, at least as a common term. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::*I am not very sure about this, apparently CAS No. 13966-61-5 seems to be CdH, however googling only returns 17 results.--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 00:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I did find this cite but don't have the subscription:
::*{{cite journal|url=http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-540-69954-5_157|publisher=[[Springer Verlag]]|chapter=155 CdH X 2Σ+ Cadmium hydride|title=Diamagnetic Diatomic Molecules. Part 1|first=W.|last=Hüttner|year=2012|doi=10.1007/978-3-540-69954-5_157|isbn=978-3-540-69954-5|}}
:It's not clear to me from that if it is CdH2 or CdH(I) since I can't access the text without a subscription. But it does just say "Cadmium hydride" not "Cadmium(II) hydride" and the brief doesn't say Cd2 nor Cd(II). Is that any help or hindrance? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:18, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I found a {{PubChem|57459443}}, however it is CdH- there.--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 07:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

:::{{{ping|jsjsjs1111}}}, I have edited to bold the hyphen sup just cos it is very indistinct on my screen: not to change your comment as such but to aid the discussion. So what would that be, a CdH with a missing electron? Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 23:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====BWA World Three-cushion Championship====
*{{no redirect|1 = BWA World Three-cushion Championship }} → [[Billiards World Cup Association]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/BWA World Three-cushion Championship|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=BWA World Three-cushion Championship|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#BWA World Three-cushion Championship]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#BWA World Three-cushion Championship]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

'''Deletion'''. There hasn't been a "BWA World Championships" at all. In fact between 1988 and 1991 the UMB didn't organize world championships and the winners of the [[Three-Cushion World Cup]] were nominated instead. So the redirect has the wrong name/term. [[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 13:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. Can you expand your argument? I thought the BWA also looked after amateur snooker and so forth. I could be totally wrong there. Singluar There hasn't been a BWA, not plural... but that's a side point. I am missing the point somewhere here. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. Only the UMB (World association) is organizing world championships. The BWA (organizes only 3-cushion tournaments with Pro's) was a sub-assotiation of the UMB by that time. and like I explained above there were just 4 years where the UMB didn't organize World Champinships and they (UMB) nominated the winner of the World Cup as World Chanmpions. When you look into the article, you will see that there were a few World Cups held during these years. (88–91), and the overall-winner became World Champion. So you simply can't mix "BWA" with "World Champion(ships"). Hope it makes it more clear. Sorry for my english, no native speaker. --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 20:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:Please excuse me because I am English but live in Hungary: it is nice to see the World Snooker Championships broadcast here. You are obviously the expert here: but billiards and snooker are and pool are different things, but in Hungarian have the same word "billiard". What do you want done with it? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::What do you mean? --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 21:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::I didn't express it clearly. Is this specifically billiards or table games generally? I have just been brushing the pool table down at the pub, and in Hungary it is called "billiard" just genera lly for a table game – and the same in French – so we need to make that clear. [[Bar billiards]] for example. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:01, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Your questions are not pointing to my request, right? They're personally?! Just short: it' Carom billiards. No holes. If you are interested, read the corrosponding articles 4 more info. Billiards ist the Main Word for all Ball Games on tables. Russian Billiards, Pool, snooker, English Billiards, 5-pins, Artistique etc. Sorry for The autocorrection on my iPad! --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 22:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|LezFraniak}} I think e are going past each other. Don't worry about the typos/autocorrection. That was exactly my point: in many languages billiards means any game played with balls on a slate/baize table: in England it is a specific game played with two cue balls, one for each player, and one red ball. For example, the [[Gambling in the United Kingdom|Betting and Gaming Act 1960]], as revised but for which we haven't a specific article unfortunely, used to have to be displayed in summary in every pub in England, and allowed six specific games ("[[Cribbage]], [[Darts]], [[Pool (game)|Pool]], [[Bar billiards]], [[Shove-halfpenny]] and [[Dominoes]]" to be "played for small stakes on those parts of the premises open to the public". In particular for example you could play pool but not snooker. (It also said that "Betting and the passing of betting slips is prohibited": and if that ain't poetry I don't know what is: this is basically down to the [[off-course betting]] for which we don't seem to have an R although it is mentioned in the lede). So you could play [[bar billiards]] or pool but not snooker, for example. I was wondering how we make that clear and you may have some views on that. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 06:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::And no, it's not personal. I am asking for your expert advice. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:10, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::I created the R for [[off-course betting]]. It's in the first sentence of the lede as the British name for it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::Incidentally "on those parts of the premises open to the public" was there to discourage gambling for large stakes in the "back room". I really must one day make an article about this Act. I have been encouraged before to start creating [[bookmaker|bookmaking]] articles but I lack RS usually; which makes it tricky for me to create the articles. I should like to have nice pictures and create an article for [[Tic-Tac]], I must be one of the few who sill do it; most use mobile phones and I can still do Tic-Tac. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::Wow, [[Tic-tac]] ''has'' been created. I don't know how I can improve it without pics, though. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 13:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

====Glorified construction worker====
*{{no redirect|1 = Glorified construction worker }} → [[Civil engineer]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Glorified construction worker|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Glorified construction worker|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Glorified construction worker]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Glorified construction worker]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Inappropriate redirect. No incoming links. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]] ♠[[User talk:Jonkerz|talk]] 10:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:Seems inappropriate. See here for example by analogy (in the sense of [[Boring (earth)]]):
::*{{cite web|url=http://www.improbable.com/2013/07/02/the-day-engineers-ceased-to-be-boring-in-britain/|work=improbable.com|date=22 August 1996|title=The Day Engineers Ceased to be Boring|publisher=Associated Press|accessdate=23 May 2014}}
:That is probably not RS but the AP will be so I am sure we can find a better reference for the same thing. The [[Institution of Civil Engineers]] are perhaps a bit overprotective, though, but then I am just a very uncivil engineer. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:51, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. This redirect's existence is a violation of [[WP:NEUTRAL]]. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====That thing they did after voyager====
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:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was '''Delete''' by non-admin, but with consensus. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:23, 24 May 2014 (UTC)}
*{{no redirect|1 = That thing they did after voyager }} → [[Star Trek: Enterprise]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/That thing they did after voyager|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=That thing they did after voyager|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#That thing they did after voyager]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:That thing they did after voyager|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#That thing they did after voyager]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Inappropriate redirect. No incoming links. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]] ♠[[User talk:Jonkerz|talk]] 10:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per jonkerz. We don't have [[that planet between Mars and Saturn]], for example. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:55, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The term "they" could refer to anyone; the pronouns's context is not clear. And also, this redirect's title has several other inherent issues. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, no, "They" refers to a group of people you specifically dislike. See [[Orwell]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as a very vague redirect --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not about the flagship NASA mission after Voyager; nor is it about the Scaled Composite aircraft after Voyager. So highly ambiguous -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 06:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.</div>

====Template:Republic of China infobox====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:Republic of China infobox }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Republic of China infobox|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:Republic of China infobox|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:Taiwan infobox }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Taiwan infobox|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:Taiwan infobox|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Appears to be a copy of the infobox we already have at [[Taiwan]]/Republic of China, unnecessary [[WP:CNR|CNR]] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 01:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*If you don't mind, I'll add [[Template:Taiwan infobox]] to this nomination, as it's the same issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:38, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete all'''. I cannot wait for the day someone tries to transclude one of these redirects. Oh, the hilarity that will ensue due to transcluding the ENTIRE [[Taiwan]] article. I'm laughing as I type this. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' I hear the laugh and am glad to hear it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:35, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::''Laughing at myself.''' You know it will end up being me taking the sodding things out? (Chuckles) [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====中華民国====
*{{no redirect|1 = 中華民国 }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/中華民国|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:中華民国|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=中華民国|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:中華民国|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#中華民国]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:中華民国|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#中華民国]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Although this is a foreign-language redirect, it is half in [[Simplified Chinese]] and half in [[Traditional Chinese]], usually chinese people would only type in one script [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 01:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' It is Japanese [[Shinjitai]]. --[[User:Kusunose|Kusunose]] 04:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====These aren't the Freuds you're looking for====
*{{no redirect|1 = These aren't the Freuds you're looking for }} → [[Freud (disambiguation)]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#These aren't the Freuds you're looking for]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#These aren't the Freuds you're looking for]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
Joke redirect created in 2012. Should be deleted. — [[User:Scott|'''Scott''']] • [[User talk:Scott|''talk'']] 21:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC
*''' Jokes are OK''' not on articles but in discussions, at least in my opinion. It would be better to redirect it to to [[Sigmund Freud|Sigmund Fraud]] or [[Fraud family]] or something like that, as a [[honey trap]]. I know you would think that misleading but it isn't, at [[WP:DYK]] I tempt readers in with acccurate but gainsaying trigs and get a lot of hits for [[cryptic crossword|misleading but accurate]] links. I am not saying we should do that at articles. Articles should be serious; discussions should be light: as editors we need a break too. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:27, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom, and others above. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 23:03, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. It's much easier to make a [[Wikipedia:Piped link|piped link]] for jokes anyways.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::'''Delete''' per nom and Lenticel. That's true. I would never put a joke in article space. I just find the tone of Wikipedia sometimes ''too'' serious on its talk pages. If you look in most encyclopaedias or dictionaries there are a few jokes that have slipped past the editors – or been inserted by the editors – to lighten it a bit. [[Johnson's Dictionary]] certainly has a few.

::I am not saying turn Wikipedia into a comic book: I am saying it's OK, in ''discussions'', not to be so damned serious: part of my respect for other editors is that I have a joke with them. I wouldn't joke with people I don't care for. I have been told off for it, particularly by another editor to this discussion but I shall continue to do so: if other editors – especially admins with trigger-happy fingers – don't like it they can do the other thing; and the other editor closed a discussion down as admin with closing remarks telling me off for making jokes without the courtesy of perhaps saying on my talk page first? (And of course by doing so giving me no right of reply.) One reason I make jokes on discussion pages especially at RfD is that it seems actually to encourage debate and we get better consensus. The other reason is we should lighten up a bit: articles are serious and hard work, discussions can be a bit lighter

::Let me make it plain. To abuse me and say "stop making jokes" is an abuse of admin rights. Have you seen how much checking and reffing I do here. Who is the one with courtesy and who is the one without? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:36, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:::There has been no "abuse" of any kind. Your understanding of "admin rights" is evidently still very poor, following on from when you attempted (and failed miserably) to have me desysopped for speedily closing a discussion.
:::I will repeat what I said earlier: your frequent, rambling, paragraph-long digressions - let us take as an example the story of how you enjoy rearranging the items on the shelves of Hungarian supermarkets - are completely irrelevant to these discussions and detract from our being able to get things done. RfD does not need a resident comedian. — [[User:Scott|'''Scott''']] • [[User talk:Scott|''talk'']] 22:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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84.236.37.246: /* Μελαγχολία */ Melencolia

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===May 23===
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====Windows 92 and friends====
*{{no redirect|1 = Windows 92 }} → [[Windows 3.1x]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Windows 92|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Windows 92|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Windows 92]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windows 92|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Windows 92]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
*{{no redirect|1 = Windows 85 }} → [[Windows 1.0]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Windows 85|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_85&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Windows+85 stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Windows 85|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windows 85|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Microsoft 95 }} → [[Windows 95]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Microsoft 95|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft_95&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Microsoft+95 stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Microsoft 95|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Microsoft 95|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
Not an actual name for the subject, not discussed in the target article, implausible search term. [[User:Ï¿½|ï¿½]] ([[User talk:Ï¿½|talk]]) 17:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [[Windows 85]] and [[Windows 92]], but '''Delete''' [[Microsoft 95]]. The first two match the naming scheme that Microsoft used for their Windows product (starting with Windows 95, and ending with Windows 2000), and thus could be useful. (I note that {{No redirect|Windows 2009}} redirects to [[Windows 7]], and {{No redirect|Windows 2007}} redirects to [[Windows Vista]].) However, {{No redirect|Microsoft 95}} could refer to a multitude of items, including [[Microsoft]] itself, and thus is to vague to be useful. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as creative inventions unused to refer to Windows. And Windows only used this schema for four editions (95,98,2000,2003), so is not indicative of standard Windows naming. It is not like Win8/8.1,NT,Win286,Win386. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 06:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per 65.94. Come off it, we have [[Windows Longhorn]] and so on as ''proper'' redirects. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Strong delete'''. Intrusive inventive names, invented after a patterns that appeared a decade later. (In other words, for these terms to become practically useful, one must be of a state of mind that can ''easily'' remember the release date of these Windows versions but have an excruciatingly thought time remember their name or chronological release order – which would be strange, because he who knows the date can deduce these as well.) Also delete {{No redirect|Windows 2007}} and {{No redirect|Windows 2009}}. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 22:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

====Small-Town America====
*{{no redirect|1 = Small-Town America }} → [[United States]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Small-Town America|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Small-Town America|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 6#Small-Town America]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Small-Town America|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 6#Small-Town America]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>As a first stab, suggesting '''Redirect''' to [[Main Street]].</s> This mentions "small-town America" several times though does not define it. I suggest it to give others a springboard. {{lang-hu|Főutca}} (Fő, principal + "utca", street), in the cap of the first pic there, needs the diacritical mark on the first: these are distinct letters not just helping hands as they are in e.g. Spanish or French, and "Foutca" without the accent makes no sense. I'll change that since it's tangential to this discussion. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:47, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not covered in target article, [[WP:REDLINK]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.206|65.94.171.206]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.206|talk]]) 04:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete''' per 65.94. One would think there should be an article, but since there isn't, a redlink is better. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 04:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
*'''Retarget''' to [[Middle America (United States)]]. Pinging [[User:TheChampionMan1234|TheChampionMan1234]] and [[User:SimonTrew|SimonTrew]] on this. These are very similar, maybe even identical concepts. A key phrase at the target article is "contrasted to the more metropolitan areas." Mentioning this phrase as a synonym there would be good. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Retarget''' per BDD. That's not perfect, it's not mentioned at the target , but it is ''better''.</s>
*'''Retarget''' but to [[Town#United States]].
:To elaborate (what else would you expect from me): In [[Middle America]] there is a piped link from "small town" (no hyphen) to [[Small-town#United States]]) but {{no redirect|1=Small-town}} itself is a redirect to [[Town]] (but not marked as {{tlx|R to section}}: that's easily fixed once we get consensus) so this ends up at [[Town#United States]]). Personally I am against piped links to redirects and especially to Rs to sections because the links can break so easily: [[quod erat demonstrandum|as I have just shown]]. It has been argued against me before (a long while ago, on the redirect discussion for [[Botanic gardens]] vs. [[Botanical gardens]]) that this pattern of piping to a redirect to a section is [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], but patently it ''is'' broken: either redirect to the section then you don't need the section in the pipe, or pipe it to the section in the article but not to the redirect: don't do both. They are fragile since "What links here" does not monitor pipes or redirects to sections but only to the pages themselves (hence the advice for courtesy comments at [[MOS:LINK2SECT]]). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*"What links here" for the dozen or so other uses of the redirect {{no redirect|1=Small-town}} (Portals for South Park characters, and a couple of references to that "small-town" feel in a place in California etc) suggest this is a better target. But I am with BDD it is a close-run thing and the concepts are probably nearly identical. However, retargeting it to [[Middle America (United States)]] essentially takes us through an enormous loop. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Too many options, none specifically related to this title enough to qualify. Best option is to delete this thing. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. per Steel1943, I's a common enough term (at least in British English, I have no idea if it is common in American English) that one should think it should go ''somewhere''; but the bind is, where? So delete it and let the search engine take care of it; I am not delighted about that but it seems the best of a bad job. I tried to think of British analogies such as [[Home Counties]] or [[Ruritania]] or [[Little Englander]] but none quite equate (not, of course, to suggest redirecting to any of those but as analogues); [[Little Britain]] of course means something completely different. I thought – and please correct me – it was also used as a political term to mean people who tend to vote for the [[Republican party (United States)]] and so on": "Right-thinking American people". So it is incredibly ambiguous. I think Steel1943 is right: '''delete''' it and leave it to the search engine. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

====Μοναχός====
*{{no redirect|1 = Μοναχός }} → [[Monasticism]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Μοναχός|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Μοναχός|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Μοναχός]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Μοναχός|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Μοναχός]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Monachos }} → [[Monasticism]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Monachos|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monachos&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Monachos stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Monachos|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Monachos|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 16]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Not especially Greek. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for Greek. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''delete first, keep second''' "Monachos" is in fact seen as a technical word for "monk" in early church and Eastern Orthodox literature. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 12:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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*Tough call. The term is mentioned at the target page, but only in the context of etymology. [[Eastern Christian monasticism]] would seem to be a better target, though they're not mentioned there. I think the same thing should happen to both redirects, however. It doesn't make sense to me to delete the Greek form but not its transliteration. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Although incorrect etymologocially, I was wondering of [[Monarchy]] would be a better target. I held off saying so but now it has been relisted I bung in. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====Μελαγχολία====
*{{no redirect|1 = Μελαγχολία }} → [[Melancholia]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Μελαγχολία|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Μελαγχολία|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15#Μελαγχολία]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Μελαγχολία|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15#Μελαγχολία]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

'''Delete'''. Not especially Greek. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

<s>'''Delete''' per Gorobay. Latin I think anyway.</s> Like the old greengrocers' song, "Come to me my [[melon]], [[cauliflower|caulie]] baby". [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Greeks are not the only people who suffer from melancholy. This generic topic has no particular affinity for Greek. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' actually I am in two minds about this... It '''is''' Greek etymologically for [[black bile]] which redirects there, but as Gorobay says it is not ''especially'' Greek. [[Melancholy]] also redirects there: which I would imagine is the more likely search term in English but the article stands at [[Melancholia]] and I imagine that was by consensus. By the way I and another editor created {{tlx|ety}} a few years ago but it seems that is very lightly used, unfortunately. I am disappointed nobody groaned at my pun, though. [[Alan Bennett]] says somewhere in his diaries "people who groan at puns either wish they thought of it or have seen it coming and had time to duck": but a good groan would have cheered me up a bit – I am a bit melancholic myself unfortunately but I will get over it in a day or two. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
::Hmm. To add to the confusion we do have an article for the song [[My Melancholy Baby]] which as you see is spelled with the -y and not the -ia. That is not a contradiction, songs should have their proper titles, but does it not indicate that the title should be [[melancholy]] with the redirect at [[melancholia]] (i.e. reverse the redirect)? But on the other hand it is quite a technical article and perhaps it is all best left where it stands. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Melancholia#Requested move|I think you're right]]. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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'''Comment''' Oddly enough [[BBC Radio 4]] had a programme on this morning – I didn't hear it I was napping but it is [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b044gp6c|here]] – which is named "Mel'''en'''colia". I doubt this is a pun, R4 does like to do pun things but I think that unlikely. Do we have a third spelling then? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 23:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Cadmium(I) hydride====
*{{no redirect|1 = Cadmium(I) hydride }} → [[Cadmium hydride]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Cadmium(I) hydride|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Cadmium(I) hydride|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Cadmium(I) hydride]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Cadmium(I) hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Cadmium(I) hydride]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Cadmium(I) hydride is a different compound CdH, while Cadmium hydride is CdH2 [[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 15:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:*'''delete''', its a different chemical, if it exist at all. [[User:Christian75|Christian75]] ([[User talk:Christian75|talk]])
:*'''Delete''' Per Christian75. I will look up CdH(I) and maybe do a drawing if it exists. I would think it would be rather unstable if it does exist. Declaration of interest: I used to work for [[Accelrys]], doing molecular modelling. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:*Doesn't seem to exist, at least as a common term. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::*I am not very sure about this, apparently CAS No. 13966-61-5 seems to be CdH, however googling only returns 17 results.--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 00:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I did find this cite but don't have the subscription:
::*{{cite journal|url=http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-540-69954-5_157|publisher=[[Springer Verlag]]|chapter=155 CdH X 2Σ+ Cadmium hydride|title=Diamagnetic Diatomic Molecules. Part 1|first=W.|last=Hüttner|year=2012|doi=10.1007/978-3-540-69954-5_157|isbn=978-3-540-69954-5|}}
:It's not clear to me from that if it is CdH2 or CdH(I) since I can't access the text without a subscription. But it does just say "Cadmium hydride" not "Cadmium(II) hydride" and the brief doesn't say Cd2 nor Cd(II). Is that any help or hindrance? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:18, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I found a {{PubChem|57459443}}, however it is CdH- there.--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 07:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====BWA World Three-cushion Championship====
*{{no redirect|1 = BWA World Three-cushion Championship }} → [[Billiards World Cup Association]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/BWA World Three-cushion Championship|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=BWA World Three-cushion Championship|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#BWA World Three-cushion Championship]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:BWA World Three-cushion Championship|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#BWA World Three-cushion Championship]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

'''Deletion'''. There hasn't been a "BWA World Championships" at all. In fact between 1988 and 1991 the UMB didn't organize world championships and the winners of the [[Three-Cushion World Cup]] were nominated instead. So the redirect has the wrong name/term. [[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 13:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. Can you expand your argument? I thought the BWA also looked after amateur snooker and so forth. I could be totally wrong there. Singluar There hasn't been a BWA, not plural... but that's a side point. I am missing the point somewhere here. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. Only the UMB (World association) is organizing world championships. The BWA (organizes only 3-cushion tournaments with Pro's) was a sub-assotiation of the UMB by that time. and like I explained above there were just 4 years where the UMB didn't organize World Champinships and they (UMB) nominated the winner of the World Cup as World Chanmpions. When you look into the article, you will see that there were a few World Cups held during these years. (88–91), and the overall-winner became World Champion. So you simply can't mix "BWA" with "World Champion(ships"). Hope it makes it more clear. Sorry for my english, no native speaker. --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 20:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

:Please excuse me because I am English but live in Hungary: it is nice to see the World Snooker Championships broadcast here. You are obviously the expert here: but billiards and snooker are and pool are different things, but in Hungarian have the same word "billiard". What do you want done with it? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::What do you mean? --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 21:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::I didn't express it clearly. Is this specifically billiards or table games generally? I have just been brushing the pool table down at the pub, and in Hungary it is called "billiard" just genera lly for a table game – and the same in French – so we need to make that clear. [[Bar billiards]] for example. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:01, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Your questions are not pointing to my request, right? They're personally?! Just short: it' Carom billiards. No holes. If you are interested, read the corrosponding articles 4 more info. Billiards ist the Main Word for all Ball Games on tables. Russian Billiards, Pool, snooker, English Billiards, 5-pins, Artistique etc. Sorry for The autocorrection on my iPad! --[[User:LezFraniak|LezFraniak]] ([[User talk:LezFraniak|talk]]) 22:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|LezFraniak}} I think e are going past each other. Don't worry about the typos/autocorrection. That was exactly my point: in many languages billiards means any game played with balls on a slate/baize table: in England it is a specific game played with two cue balls, one for each player, and one red ball. For example, the [[Gambling in the United Kingdom|Betting and Gaming Act 1960]], as revised but for which we haven't a specific article unfortunely, used to have to be displayed in summary in every pub in England, and allowed six specific games ("[[Cribbage]], [[Darts]], [[Pool (game)|Pool]], [[Bar billiards]], [[Shove-halfpenny]] and [[Dominoes]]" to be "played for small stakes on those parts of the premises open to the public". In particular for example you could play pool but not snooker. (It also said that "Betting and the passing of betting slips is prohibited": and if that ain't poetry I don't know what is: this is basically down to the [[off-course betting]] for which we don't seem to have an R although it is mentioned in the lede). So you could play [[bar billiards]] or pool but not snooker, for example. I was wondering how we make that clear and you may have some views on that. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 06:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::And no, it's not personal. I am asking for your expert advice. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:10, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::I created the R for [[off-course betting]]. It's in the first sentence of the lede as the British name for it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::Incidentally "on those parts of the premises open to the public" was there to discourage gambling for large stakes in the "back room". I really must one day make an article about this Act. I have been encouraged before to start creating [[bookmaker|bookmaking]] articles but I lack RS usually; which makes it tricky for me to create the articles. I should like to have nice pictures and create an article for [[Tic-Tac]], I must be one of the few who sill do it; most use mobile phones and I can still do Tic-Tac. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::Wow, [[Tic-tac]] ''has'' been created. I don't know how I can improve it without pics, though. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 13:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

====Glorified construction worker====
*{{no redirect|1 = Glorified construction worker }} → [[Civil engineer]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Glorified construction worker|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Glorified construction worker|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Glorified construction worker]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Glorified construction worker|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Glorified construction worker]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Inappropriate redirect. No incoming links. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]] ♠[[User talk:Jonkerz|talk]] 10:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:Seems inappropriate. See here for example by analogy (in the sense of [[Boring (earth)]]):
::*{{cite web|url=http://www.improbable.com/2013/07/02/the-day-engineers-ceased-to-be-boring-in-britain/|work=improbable.com|date=22 August 1996|title=The Day Engineers Ceased to be Boring|publisher=Associated Press|accessdate=23 May 2014}}
:That is probably not RS but the AP will be so I am sure we can find a better reference for the same thing. The [[Institution of Civil Engineers]] are perhaps a bit overprotective, though, but then I am just a very uncivil engineer. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:51, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. This redirect's existence is a violation of [[WP:NEUTRAL]]. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====That thing they did after voyager====
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Inappropriate redirect. No incoming links. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]] ♠[[User talk:Jonkerz|talk]] 10:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per jonkerz. We don't have [[that planet between Mars and Saturn]], for example. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:55, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The term "they" could refer to anyone; the pronouns's context is not clear. And also, this redirect's title has several other inherent issues. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, no, "They" refers to a group of people you specifically dislike. See [[Orwell]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as a very vague redirect --[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not about the flagship NASA mission after Voyager; nor is it about the Scaled Composite aircraft after Voyager. So highly ambiguous -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 06:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Template:Republic of China infobox====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:Republic of China infobox }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Republic of China infobox|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:Republic of China infobox|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Republic of China infobox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:Taiwan infobox }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Taiwan infobox|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:Taiwan infobox|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Taiwan infobox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#Template:Republic of China infobox]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Appears to be a copy of the infobox we already have at [[Taiwan]]/Republic of China, unnecessary [[WP:CNR|CNR]] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 01:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*If you don't mind, I'll add [[Template:Taiwan infobox]] to this nomination, as it's the same issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:38, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete all'''. I cannot wait for the day someone tries to transclude one of these redirects. Oh, the hilarity that will ensue due to transcluding the ENTIRE [[Taiwan]] article. I'm laughing as I type this. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' I hear the laugh and am glad to hear it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:35, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::''Laughing at myself.''' You know it will end up being me taking the sodding things out? (Chuckles) [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====中華民国====
*{{no redirect|1 = 中華民国 }} → [[Taiwan]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/中華民国|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:中華民国|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=中華民国|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:中華民国|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#中華民国]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:中華民国|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#中華民国]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Although this is a foreign-language redirect, it is half in [[Simplified Chinese]] and half in [[Traditional Chinese]], usually chinese people would only type in one script [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 01:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' It is Japanese [[Shinjitai]]. --[[User:Kusunose|Kusunose]] 04:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

====These aren't the Freuds you're looking for====
*{{no redirect|1 = These aren't the Freuds you're looking for }} → [[Freud (disambiguation)]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#These aren't the Freuds you're looking for]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:These aren't the Freuds you're looking for|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 23#These aren't the Freuds you're looking for]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
Joke redirect created in 2012. Should be deleted. — [[User:Scott|'''Scott''']] • [[User talk:Scott|''talk'']] 21:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC
*''' Jokes are OK''' not on articles but in discussions, at least in my opinion. It would be better to redirect it to to [[Sigmund Freud|Sigmund Fraud]] or [[Fraud family]] or something like that, as a [[honey trap]]. I know you would think that misleading but it isn't, at [[WP:DYK]] I tempt readers in with acccurate but gainsaying trigs and get a lot of hits for [[cryptic crossword|misleading but accurate]] links. I am not saying we should do that at articles. Articles should be serious; discussions should be light: as editors we need a break too. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:27, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom, and others above. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 23:03, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. It's much easier to make a [[Wikipedia:Piped link|piped link]] for jokes anyways.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 04:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::'''Delete''' per nom and Lenticel. That's true. I would never put a joke in article space. I just find the tone of Wikipedia sometimes ''too'' serious on its talk pages. If you look in most encyclopaedias or dictionaries there are a few jokes that have slipped past the editors – or been inserted by the editors – to lighten it a bit. [[Johnson's Dictionary]] certainly has a few.

::I am not saying turn Wikipedia into a comic book: I am saying it's OK, in ''discussions'', not to be so damned serious: part of my respect for other editors is that I have a joke with them. I wouldn't joke with people I don't care for. I have been told off for it, particularly by another editor to this discussion but I shall continue to do so: if other editors – especially admins with trigger-happy fingers – don't like it they can do the other thing; and the other editor closed a discussion down as admin with closing remarks telling me off for making jokes without the courtesy of perhaps saying on my talk page first? (And of course by doing so giving me no right of reply.) One reason I make jokes on discussion pages especially at RfD is that it seems actually to encourage debate and we get better consensus. The other reason is we should lighten up a bit: articles are serious and hard work, discussions can be a bit lighter

::Let me make it plain. To abuse me and say "stop making jokes" is an abuse of admin rights. Have you seen how much checking and reffing I do here. Who is the one with courtesy and who is the one without? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 07:36, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:::There has been no "abuse" of any kind. Your understanding of "admin rights" is evidently still very poor, following on from when you attempted (and failed miserably) to have me desysopped for speedily closing a discussion.
:::I will repeat what I said earlier: your frequent, rambling, paragraph-long digressions - let us take as an example the story of how you enjoy rearranging the items on the shelves of Hungarian supermarkets - are completely irrelevant to these discussions and detract from our being able to get things done. RfD does not need a resident comedian. — [[User:Scott|'''Scott''']] • [[User talk:Scott|''talk'']] 22:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

User talk:BDD/Infotag

2014-05-27T23:01:22Z

84.236.37.246: Arrrgh, hard to find RS for this

Everything leads back to their own website. Not helpful for RS. Si Trew editing as IP [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 23:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

User talk:BDD/Archive 14

2014-05-27T22:57:49Z

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==OK==
OK, sorry I didn't know. [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|'''''Quis separabit?''''']] 00:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:I don't know if it's written down anywhere, but while a category is being discussed, it should contain the same articles and subcats it would normally have, otherwise editors will be making decisions based on misleading information. If the category is deleted, then it becomes time to remove them. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 01:02, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

==thank you xN==
not sure how many in total you have closed in favour of the proposal, just scanning the list now, but thank you; it's time the campaign to oppose all these without valid reason is brought to an end; there are countless more in other US states and other countries that need correction; because of the harassment of me in various arenas I haven't had the time/inclination to launch RMs on them all; they were nearly all undiscussed moves by the usual suspect(s).[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 01:01, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:I don't understand why you didn't move [[Haida people]]; they are far and away the clear primarytopic, and the opposing claims that there are other primarytopics are not borne out by the evidence; or did I not do view stats there? What other primary topic competitor could there be for the term "Haida"? Haida Gwaii? HMCS Haida? Haida manga? Stats for the language do not support the notion that it, as in too many other parallel cases to count, is anywhere near close to people looking for the article about the group; who are easily also the most famous of BC's native peoples world-wide. Their language is an obscure topic by comparison; their art very much more widely known.[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 01:24, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
::Re that, this is a relevant passage from WP:DAB:
:::''A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.''
::Please reconsider your closure; I see no way that the other supposed primarytopics are anywhere near as of "long-term significance" as the people whose titles all the rest of the items on the dab page are derived from.[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 01:30, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

==An explanation please==
Hi.

After two years of being in Wikipedia, I think it is taking its toll on me. Why is it that every time someone reverts me, I have to go hunt for sources (per [[WP:BRD]]) but also every time I revert someone's blatantly unreferenced edit (or containing bogus source), again it is my change that is reverted and it is I who end up hunting for source while they freely call me a vandal? Are [[WP:BRD]], [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:EW]] only for me and other people the king of Wikipedia?

I demand equal treatment.

Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 04:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not sure how helpful I can be without some examples. Did I do this to you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:28, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
::Hello again. No, not you; otherwise my wording would have been different. But, yes, I can give you example. (I must have known you might not remember.) Still, how does this non-involved admin and clean canvassing policy works here? Can I just give you a diff or must I somehow obfuscate the involved parties?

::Still, in the interest of not making this message totally useless, I give you a person-safe account. Let's assume: Someone adds something to article X. I revert it, saying verification failed and quoting the source text in the edit summary. He counter-reverts with "No, the source is good, I am sure." I send him a message in his talk page and quote the source line by line, especially one line that says it is such and such. Then, silly me, thinking that reverting is undisputed this time, revert. But he counter-reverts, this time saying "rvv. cf. Talk:X#Section Y". I go to the discussion page, and post screenshots that confirm my previous suspicion. Let's say I waited for a day or two and then reverted. Do you think he'd give up, or do you think he'd revert this time without an edit summary too?

::Basically, what a human must do if this comes to pass?

::Best regards,
::[[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 00:28, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
:::You can send me an email if you want to name some names that you wouldn't feel comfortable writing here. Again, it's very hard for me to say what you should do without knowing some of the specifics. I suppose you could tell this person about BRD, that it means that a ''bold'' addition which is ''revert''ed shouldn't be re-added until it's supported by ''discuss''ion. If you're acting in good faith and not violating 3RR, you certainly shouldn't be called a vandal for this. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 18:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
::::Yeah, okay. Email would do. But what prevents you from replying to the "person-safe" account here? After all, if a similar situation happen in the future your context-adaptive reply for the past situation applies only to the past. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 07:12, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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==Requested moves==
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==[[Nisga’a]] vs [[Nisga'a]]==
Hi, thank you for closing/moving the Nisga'a RM.....but the move request was not to [[Nisga’a]], which has a special apostrophe, but to [[Nisga'a]], with an ordinary apostrophe as it was originally. Currently the latter is a redirect to [[Nisga'a people]], which redirects to the special apostrophe title [[Nisga’a]]. That is the only special apostrophe out of all such endonyms and has no authentic orthographic of phonlogical purpose; it was created to get around existing redirects by the editor who changed the title to [[Nisga’a people]] in doing so. Please amend your move to the ordinary apostrophe version as per the terms of the Requested move.[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 01:20, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
:Hello BDD. It looks to me that the simple apostrophe is better. Two moves were requested by Skookum1 at [[WP:RMTR]], but I [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests&diff=prev&oldid=602866922 declined temporarily], since you closed the recent move. I am thinking of going ahead with the move, but would like to know if you object. Thanks, [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 14:19, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
::He hasn't answered me despite the inquiry above, but I see no reason for any objection; this is a typographical correct and also re CONSISTENCY with other articles in the same category and also with the use of apostrophes in other native-name/language articles for BC native topics. The RM was to move it to the ordinary-apostrophe version until that was moved by JorisV (both articles) to the special-apostrophe version, without explanation, on Aug 24 2010, after four and a half years from the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nisga%E2%80%99a_language&direction=next&oldid=35754344 original title's creation in on Jan 19 2006]. According to what I see, at least on CFDS if not directly on WP:RM, typographical corrections are non-controversial. I can't speak for him but what I believe happened was a mistaken simple removal of "people" without addressing the requested move's target directly; even though it was explained in the RM. I'm surprised that this was treated as potentially controversial, quite frankly.....and didn't realize that closers "OWNed" titles they had moved such that this consultation would even be necessary. JorisV's move was not discussed and there are no sources to back it up, as often the case with such moves.[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 14:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes, you can go ahead and take care of that since I haven't been able to. I was used to RMs that just involved removing the "people," so I didn't notice the punctuation difference (in some fonts, there barely is one). --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 15:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
::::The curly apostrophe has now been replaced with the standard one as requested at [[WP:RMTR]] in the titles of [[Nisga'a]] and [[Nisga'a language]]. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]])

==April 2014==
Hi Im Zackdichens12 and i do apologise for the move but it is not just the 2010 Daybreak tv series because 2011,2012,2013 and 2014 are more series s ok do understand ok so please un-move protect this page as soon as possible please. [[User:Zackdickens12|'''''→Zackdickens12''''''''''→''''']][[User talk:Zackdickens12|'''''→Talk to me!→''''']] 18:31, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:No, this is in line with our naming conventions; see [[WP:NCTV]]. 2010 simply indicates the first year of the series. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 19:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
All right fine then but please un-move protect this page as soon as possible ok please I beg you. [[User:Zackdickens12|'''''→Zackdickens12''''''''''→''''']][[User talk:Zackdickens12|'''''→Talk to me!→''''']] 18:31, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:No, I will not. The page should not be moved again unless there's [[Wikipedia:consensus|consensus]] to do so. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 20:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I promise i will not let anyone move the page I promise really. [[User:Zackdickens12|'''''→Zackdickens12''''''''''→''''']][[User talk:Zackdickens12|'''''→Talk to me!→''''']] 18:31, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:Why do you want it un-move protected, then? That doesn't mean the page ''can't'' move at all, only that it can't be moved except by [[Wikipedia:administrator|administrator]]s. So it could still be moved based on consensus at an RM, for example. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

==Haida and others==
Hi. Given your track record I really wish you had seen fit to close [[Talk:Haida#Requested_move]] instead of BHG. Ample evidence was provided, and the point that PRIMARYTOPIC does not allow for two-word items such as [[Haida Gwaii]] to be considered for PT, but all this was ignored by BHG, who IMO is hostile to me as evinced by her aggressive/condemnatory comments on me at the ANI/site ban proposal currently on the boil, and also her deletion of my comments on her ''wrong'' close of one of the Squamish titles was "deleting someone else's posts". [[Sanpoil tribe]] and [[Spokane people]] (formerly titled "Spokan" per self-identification) she closed similarly, along with BC town RMs like [[Bella Bella]] and [[Fort Fraser]] where, again ample evidence was presented vs specious/vague "oppose" votes. These closes were out of order and contrary to guidelines....and contrary to evidence presented. Move Review is obviously not the place where a guy like me can expect fair treatment. Other BC RMs were similarly closed without respect to evidence presented, and where "oppose" votes that were groundless and unsubstantiated were counted quantitatively instead of being dismissed on qualitative grounds. IMO her actions closing these were AGF and COI and very, very, very contrary to guidelines and COMMONSENSE.[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 06:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
*[[Innu people]] and [[Nisqually people]] are still open, since the 20th of March; I hope you close them before somebody sharpening axes does......there are two support votes and no opposes at the Innu item, but IMO that won't stop a closer from saying "no consensus". Per Nisqually and others like it, the "old consensus" re such names was that the people whose name was where the names of all other items were derived from is the PRIMARYTOPIC. There are cases like [[Chehalis]], [[Multnomah]] that I didn't bother to file, and [[Entiat]] and [[Walla Walla]] which I withdrew; but claims that rivers named for the "FOO" people are PRIMARYTOPIC are not borne out by what PRIMARYTOPIC actually ''says''. but I'm getting used to guidelines being ignored while specious "oppose" votes are filed/copy-pasted by the same small crew of editors.[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 06:41, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
::None of those closes were invalid on their face, even if I might have disagreed with the outcome. "PRIMARYTOPIC does not allow for two-word items" is a misreading of policy; it depends on the specific case, i.e., if "Foo Bar" is commonly known simply as "Foo." I don't know whether that's the case with Haida Gwaii or not.
::Please see my comments on your ANI case. Stop commenting on other editors, try to be more concise, and otherwise don't give fodder to your critics. As for the outstanding RMs, I'll get to them if I get to them. That's just the way it goes. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 16:29, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

==Foreign languages redirects==
Crap, sorry, I totally missed your message. I wasn't meaning to ignore you. If the consensus is clear, I'm not going to object on procedural grounds. (Though I disagree about documentation - certainly [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] is at least as strong a case against the delete position as FORRED is for it). For the moment I realise I just have to hold the fort until other editors stumble across the problem and think it over themselves. [[User:WilyD|Wily]][[User talk:WilyD|D]] 09:11, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for getting back to me—I was starting to think I had offended you. Well, perhaps a helpful non-admin such as [[User:Red Slash|Red Slash]] or [[User:Steel1943|Steel1943]] could step in to make a close and use {{t|db-xfd}} as appropriate. If they're still open with clear consensus in a few days, I may do it myself. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 16:15, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
::Are y'all talking about, say, [[Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_4#Inglaterra]]? I disagree with the reasoning behind the deleters because redirects are cheap, but I think that's a reasonable close. I'm not super-keen on RfD, to be honest. I wonder (this is totally not the place to say it) if RfD could be done away with. If a redirect is awful ([[superevil person]] redirecting to Obama) it should be speedied. If it's unclear, a dab page should be boldly written in its place (anyone can do this). If it's neither, we should keep it because redirects are cheap. Anyway, as long as it doesn't come as a vendetta against a specific user, it seems very much within the discretion of an admin or anyone to make decisions that '''any''' (even vaguely) reasonable editor would do if they bothered. Just my fifteen or so cents. [[User:Red Slash|Red ]][[User talk:Red Slash|Slash]] 02:31, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
:*So... Where are these discussions, and have they been closed yet? (I figured that asking about them would be a bit more efficient than trying to track them down.) [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 17:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
:::[[User:Red Slash|Red Slash]]: Certainly some such redirects could be speedied, e.g., with [[WP:G10|G10]] and the like. And converting to redirects to articles is encouraged in RfD documentation, so there's that. There are certainly editors that take what might be called a broad inclusionist approach to redirects, and you could join them in discussions if you were so inclined. Some redirects do need discussion, though, and if RfD were closed, I suppose they'd just move to MfD (which usually has moribund participation levels). --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:43, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
:::[[User:Steel1943|Steel1943]]: They're sort of scattered throughout the RfD backlog right now, such as March 31 and March 26-28. If you're at the RfD table of contents, basically just look for Cyrillic characters. Some are closed, but many more are not because I've voted on them. (I believe Red Slash has previously chastised me for such behavior at RM.) When backlogs are bad, I don't mind an involved close when there's unanimity, but as long as there's some level of disagreement, I'd rather hold off. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:43, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
::::Ah, yes, about this: a few months ago, I would have closed RfD discussions in this manner. However, I closed a discussion in this suggested manner back in December 2013, but then another administrator reverted me. Essentially, the administrator referred me to [[WP:BADNAC]] and [[WP:NACD]] for the reason why they reverted my close (since I cannot "technically perform the result of the outcome"). Sorry BDD; unless these policies can get changed, I have to refuse this request. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 13:26, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::Chastised?? Oh I hope you're kidding! No, the only thing I've said is that I (as a joke) wish you didn't participate in the discussions so that SOMEONE would be able to step in and close the ones that have been backlogged since forever. But I think that--especially if everyone involved is a regular at WP and understands what's happening--there's no problem with closing obvious, obvious discussions that you're involved in. [[User:Red Slash|Red ]][[User talk:Red Slash|Slash]] 18:39, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::Oh yes, I know that was meant in jest. So was my comment. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:08, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::@[[:User:Red Slash|Red Slash]]: I'm not referring to closing discussions in which I am [[WP:INVOLVED]]; at this point, with the excruciating [[WP:RFD]] backlog, I would close them even if I WAS involved. What I am referring to is the policy stated in [[WP:NACD]] about how non-admins cannot close discussions in a manner which they cannot execute (ex. deletion). I attempted the method that [[User:BDD|BDD]] suggested once (closing the discussion to "delete", then tagging the redirect with a {{Tl|Db-xfd}} tag), and someone who participated in that discussion (who is also an administrator) called me out on it, reverted my close, and essentially told me that if I wanted to close discussions in that manner, I should start a discussion on [[WP:NACD]] to get the policy changed. But, instead, I decided to take a WikiBreak; it's a bit ridiculous that policy would be enforced like that when there's a horrendous backlog of open discussions, but since it was enforced once, I have no desire to do it again. However, if you or [[User:BDD|BDD]] or anyone else is willing to work with me to start a discussion to get [[WP:NACD]] (and, subsequently, [[WP:BADNAC]]) changed to allow non-admins to close a discussion to "delete" (and tag the article to be deleted with a {{Tl|Db-xfd}} tag in the event of a horrendous backlog of open discussions (possibly just for [[WP:RFD]], but maybe for the other discussion forums as well), I'm willing to participate in the discussion and/or help write the proposal. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 17:44, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::*Oh, by the way, if I wasn't clear, I'm not jesting/joking; this actually happened. Seriously, if uninvolved administrators are not willing to close discussions, especially when there is a backlog, the responsibility should not HAVE to fall on the hands on an involved administrator; I think there should be some sort of "All hands on deck" option for situations like the one currently happening of [[WP:RFD]]. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 17:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::I completely agree, Steel. If we're to take things like IAR/NOTBURO seriously, I think we have to allow such closes. Now, if there isn't a backlog problem, if a non-admin is rushing in and closing discussions that an admin would've gotten to in an hour or two, that's not necessary, and we could tell that person to pull back a bit. But that's clearly not what's happening here. I don't know if [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] can shed any light on this issue. I know he's done such closes with {{t|db-xfd}}, and I'm grateful for it. If we're not going to allow non-admins to make such closes, that's not a very useful tag. (Sure, sometimes an admin will close a discussion as delete and forget to follow through, but I don't think it's especially a common occurrence.) Who reverted you on the closes, Steel? I'd like to talk to them, and possibly get involved in loosening the restrictions on NACs. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 18:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::Since it sounds like there are confessions being made here, I actually performed more "delete and tag {{Tl|Db-xfd}}" closes than I was referring to in December 2013, most of which I performed in the few months before that during times of backlogs on [[WP:RFD]], so I am familiar with how [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] performed closes (since I closed some discussions in that manner as well). However, the reverted close in December 2013 is referenced on [[User talk:Steel1943/Archive 4#Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 November 24#Kainaw's criteria|the last two sections of my most recently created talk page archives]] (I'm directing you there to identify the administrator/editor rather than posting their name due to the fact that Wikipedia now notifies editors when their user page or talk page is linked, and I'm not the one who wants to get involved in such a discussion ... yet.) [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::Gotcha. Thanks for the link. For future reference, you can use {{t|noping}} to link to someone without notifying them. Let's test it: {{noping|Steel1943}}. Can you hear me now? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 18:54, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::Nope, can't hear you. Works like a charm! Thanks for the info about that template's existence. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
::::I have to agree with Red Slash and WilyD, policy on deletion is quite clear, and very sound. RfD is almost redundant. We should only be deleting harmful or really new redirects. (Certainly there may be a case to discourage particular creations that we wouldn't delete, but that is another matter.)
::::# Redirects are cheap for the servers - deleting them increases their cost, and having an RfD increases their cost by orders of magnitude.
::::# Often there is history.
::::# We deprive the user community of a way to access information
::::#* Through mechanisms that match page names
::::#** Go to
::::#** Creating links
::::#*** In an article or discussion
::::#*** Speculatively, in a wanted articles list
::::#** Search engines
::::#** External engines such as Wikidata
::::# Deleting breaks links
::::#* From other pages on en:wp
::::#* From other pages on other WMF projects
::::#* From pages in history
::::#* From pages on the interwebs
::::#** From mirrors
::::#* From off-web resources
::::#** Published urls
::::#** Browser bookmarks
::::#** Databases of links
::::# It is a waste of human effort to discuss and delete.
::::All the best, ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 21:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC). 
*[[Leeroy Jenkins|Time's up, let's do this!]] --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
*For transparency's sake, the affected discussions were [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_March_26&action=history eight from the 26th] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARedirects_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2014_March_31&diff=604187135&oldid=604178756 one from the 31st]. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

==Any idea why [[:Category:Interior Plateau]] got deleted?==
Saw your removal of it on [[Mount Lolo]]. That's a major landform in British Columbia, and is a proper noun; it is one of the ''major'' landforms in British Columbia, and is in the same hierarchies as such things as [[Canadian Shield]] and [[Coast Mountains]] and [[Rocky Mountain Trench]] and more; it's also a parent category for items located within it, like [[Clear Range]], [[Chilcotin Plateau]] and lots more. Whose bright idea was this? I went to the redlink, it said nothing about a CfD discussion anywhere. Who deleted it and why? Guess I'll post this on TALKCFD....[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 02:19, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, it never existed. There are no deleted edits; normally as an admin, I could see previous versions and the like. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:33, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

==Duwamish RM(s)==
I had forgotten I'd filed one on March 20, and last night (? day before?) started a fresh one at [[Talk:Duwamish#Requested move]]; how can they be merged, or do I withdraw the new one and copy t he view stats on it over to the old one?[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 07:02, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
:I'll close the newer one and leave a note at the older one. If you want to copy over any of your comments, feel free. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:34, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

==Stawamus (village)==
Not arguing with your closure but just a silly process thought. I noticed that you moved [[Stawamus (Skwxwu7mesh village)]] to [[Stawamus (village)]]. However, according to [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Canada-related articles#Places]] and [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Specific topics]] I think you should have moved it to [[Stawamus, British Columbia]]. Cheers. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] ([[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|talk]]) 07:25, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, you're probably right. I wouldn't object to such a move. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
**[[Moricetown]] (which doesn't have a dab because the name is unique), [[Bella Bella, British Columbia]] (which shouldn't have a dab if the RM had been properly closed), [[Chopaka, British Columbia]], and various others are entirely-native communities on IRs, so the BC dab would work; the article has on it the different pronunciation vs the usual way to say Stawamus re the mountain and river/lake, so I can live with Stawamus BC, though I still think "consistency" with other articles in the same category should have been why the reversion to Sta7mes was mandated; also re "reversion to the original title in the event of a protracted dispute" somewhere in TITLE; the main objections, which I find spurious and problematic, were to the use of the /7/. OTHERSTUFFEXISTS yeah but so what? Exceptionalism was applied here re that /7/ IMO.[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 00:52, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
==Redirects for discussion==
There are several redirects for discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_14]] in which you may be interested. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 03:26, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:I'm a pretty regular presence at RfD these days. Unless you haven't seen me there in a week or so, it's probably not necessary to inform me of ongoing discussions. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:12, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

==verbal slip?==
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2014_April&diff=prev&oldid=604360823] -- did you really mean trout to the ''closer''? [[User talk:NE Ent|NE Ent]] 21:35, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
:Yes. The closer said "I'm closing this RFC now as to keep it from interfering with the new (15 April 2014) move request." That request, to move the page to [[Dosage forms of Cannabis]] has essentially no chance of succeeding, so closing a robust discussion as a purported distraction from that strange request seems highly problematic to me. I'm not saying the close as a whole was wrong. An MRV is an opportunity for (hopefully) constructive criticism, so I wanted to give that feedback. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 21:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

==Talking about video game quotes...==
Hey BDD, since you had an understanding of where the phrase "[[No Way! I Can't Believe This!]]" came from, you may have an interest in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=It%27s_dangerous_to_go_alone!_Take_this.&diff=603640146&oldid=311750886 an edit I did]. Finding targets that mention phrases in the article itself seems to be difficult sometimes, but oddly enough, that one existed! [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 17:38, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
:Excellent! You may have seen elsewhere that I'm a fan of {{t|R from phrase}} and {{t|R from quotation}} redirects. I think they're one example of a redirect that ''can'' be useful even if it's not mentioned on its target page. A reader may be wondering where a phrase is from, and redirecting alone can answer that. If it's too obscure, like that Robotnik quote, it could be a source of confusion, and in that case it's fine to delete. Fortunately, we now have {{no redirect|Time's up, let's do this}} to accompany {{no redirect|At least I have chicken}} (both mentioned). --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 19:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for merging]] of [[Template:Palestine (historic region) topics]] ==
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|alt=|link=]][[Template:Palestine (historic region) topics]] has been nominated for merging with [[Template:Palestine topics]]. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Palestine (historic region) topics|the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page]]. Thank you.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 15:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

==Split==
Article [[List of cathedrals in Israel and the Palestinian territories]] is proposed to be split into [[List of cathedrals in Israel]] and [[List of cathedrals in Palestine]]. Please join the [[Talk:List_of_cathedrals_in_Israel_and_the_Palestinian_territories#split|discussion]].[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 15:37, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

==[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Neubauer_Family_Collegium_for_Culture_and_Society]]==
Stumbled onto a new/proposed page you helped edit. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Neubauer_Family_Collegium_for_Culture_and_Society]]. I just added some info to the page. A brand new academic center. But, it is being founded with a $26 million gift, major academics participating, and has a well-known architectural firm renovatiing a large, gothic revival building purchased for its use at the edge of the campus of the University of Chicago. All of this has received coverage in the press, the article has lots of valid links. I am puzzled to understand why the article was not acceptable.[[User:A.Jacobin|A.Jacobin]] ([[User talk:A.Jacobin|talk]]) 12:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

==Please comment on [[Talk:Russians in Estonia#rfc_3B3C00E|Talk:Russians in Estonia]]==
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==Zero1 Australian National Championship==
Thanks for deleting that. Could I ask you to salt it as well to prevent the redirect being put back? I firmly believe an attempt will be made to do so. [[Special:Contributions/124.180.170.151|124.180.170.151]] ([[User talk:124.180.170.151|talk]]) 11:29, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
:You can request at [[WP:RPP]]. I generally only start thinking about salting if something has been deleted three times, but I wouldn't object to another admin doing so here. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 23:47, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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==Peskovi and related articles==
Hey. I'd rather not have to start an RM discussion for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/Bobrayner&offset=20140223214851&type=&user=Bobrayner every article] bobrayner moved, so maybe you could help me out with where to go. Is there any policy or something that will state whether these moves should be upheld or not? Or should I start one big discussion someplace? I noticed you didn't move Maja e zeze back since he was reverting a sock's move but, although I still think it became the longstanding name, I don't want to send it to another MRV. I think it'd be best if they were just all dealt with as a group instead of in a case by case basis. Thanks. --[[User:Local hero|Local hero]] [[User talk:Local hero|talk]] 17:34, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:I really don't know. [[User:Bobrayner|Bobrayner]] and anyone else really shouldn't move Kosovo-related articles unilaterally. Controversy is almost always guaranteed, so we should forgo BOLD in favor of RM, where consensus can be built, and if there's no consensus, the outcome is clear. It would be good if we could deal with these as a group, though I do think reverting a sock is a slightly different matter, so it might be best to separate those cases into a second group. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

::Okay, I'll figure something out when I get a chance. Regards. --[[User:Local hero|Local hero]] [[User talk:Local hero|talk]] 21:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

==Category:Monotypic mammal genera==
I see that you have removed [[:Category:Monotypic mammal genera]] from several articles describing some mammal species that is [[monotypic]] within its genus. Since in such cases we typically don't have a separate article for the genus, the article equally describes the genus. Unless the species has a common name it is a somewhat irrelevant, arbitrary and easily changeable editorial choice whether the article name refers to the genus or the species, something that does not affect the content of the article and should therefore be largely immaterial for the categorization. Accordingly, I'm not convinced that the removal of [[:Category:Monotypic mammal genera]] in such cases is wise.  --[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 23:28, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Lambiam|Lambiam]]. It makes a certain amount of sense to categorize articles over redirects, but there are certain circumstances where the latter is where the categories belong. See, for example, [[WP:INCOMPATIBLE]], which speaks to these cases in particular. It simply isn't correct to describe [[Numbat]] as a genus, monotypic or otherwise. I think in dedicated taxon categories, it behooves us to be accurate. Now, for categories like {{cat|Dasyuromorphs}}, it makes sense to include the common-named articles, and the genera can stay or go. To some extent, this is a constraint of our naming conventions, since fauna are usually titled by a common name (I'm not saying I oppose this practice). Since [[WP:FAUNA]] says to classify monotypic genera at the genus title, there are some straightforward cases, such as [[Epixerus]].
:This practice also avoids maintenance when the discovery of new species renders previously monotypic genera not so. (In addition to transferring these categories to genera, I came across a few cases where the genus simply wasn't monotypic.) To use a previous example, [[Numbat]] will probably always be synonymous with ''Myrmecobius fasciatus'', but it might not always be so with ''Myrmecobius''. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 16:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

==Copyediting Help==
Hi, BDD. I have nominated [[Carlos G. Vallés]] at DYK and it currently awaits review. ''Can you help me by quick copyediting the short article?'' And I have a Question that I have used official website of a person in the article as a source. Is it ok? as it is a primary source?

Thanks. Please reply me on my talkpage. Regards, -[[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 17:50, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

:Thanks a lot for quick help. Yes, I was confused about using his self published website but its quite tough to find English sources for a person who mostly covered in Gujarati media. Though i cited his interview, some points in article are just mentioned in his website. I actually cant find anything about his Latin American experience as there is no info more than that. He lectured, toured or probably stayed there but no info on that. He is well known Gujarati writer who left india in 1999 and have little coverage in current media. I will currently keep selfpub citation as hook may contested at DYK. Regards and thanks again, :) -[[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 19:12, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

==Sonatype==
I'll have a go but I did say it would only be a stub. I am not familiar with it particularly, but am quite familiar with typography and so on generally. I'll see what I can do, at least to get it started. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:A stub is better than a redirect. You don't have to do this, of course, but thanks nonetheless. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 19:58, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
::As it happens I found on Google not long ago (press release today) http://bankingtechnology dot banking-business-review dot com/news/us-and-european-banks-combat-software-security-threat-with-sonatype-solution-230414-4218846 here this article] so I think it might be a puff that is not notable. Therefore I haven't created it. Please replace "dot" with fullstop/period since the spam filter blocked me from putting in the URL directly. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Seems to me like this is spam, it is just a press release. There's no way you can make an article out of this. Your talk page is not the place for me to say so, but obviously since the page has been deleted there is no way to put it anywhere else so with your kind consent I put it here for the record. When that company becomes notable, they can have an article. Also, sonatype.org and sonatype.com seem two very distinct things and I was originally intending at least to create the DAB, even with redlinks, but since the dot com seems just puffery there is little point doing so. Sonatype.org is connected as their "Open-source contribution to the community". There is no RS or anything else on this. Best leave it red. I did my homework though. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

==Unjustified move of an article==
Hi. It appears you have moved an entire page [[Paucidentomys vermidax]] to [[Paucidentomys]] without giving any statement of this intention or justification on the Talk page. Please could you explain your actions on the Talk page. This will help editors like myself understand why such moves are made and avoid creating the problems in the first place.__[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 20:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]]. While some page moves are discussed on talk pages, others, especially uncontroversial ones, may only have justifications given in the move itself. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paucidentomys&action=history page history] shows that I moved per [[WP:FAUNA]], the fauna naming conventions. You'll see there under the Monotypic taxa section that for articles on monotypic genera, we should use the genus name for the article title. Since this was a straightforward matter of conformance with naming conventions, I didn't see the need to start a discussion about it. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 20:48, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
::Hi, Thanks for taking the time to explain this. I now understand the move. All the best.__[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 08:41, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

==New proposal at [[Talk:Independent (politician)#Requested move]]==
The proposed move of ''Independent (politician)'' has been altered to the new title of ''Political independent'', which might be more addressing of your concerns. This notice is in case you would like to review your vote. '''''D'''''[[User:Dralwik|'''ralwi''']][[User:Dralwik/sandbox|'''k''']]|[[User talk:Dralwik|Have a Chat]] 15:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

==Footnotes are as per the GA Review==
Hi there, and thank you for your interest in the [[freedom of speech]] legal case, ''[[Beck v. Eiland-Hall]]''.

The footnotes were an outgrowth of discussion from the GA Review.

I'd rather not depend on the quality of other Wikipedia articles to explain things, as they may be poorer in quality than this [[WP:GA]].

Please see discussion, at [[Talk:Beck v. Eiland-Hall]].

Thanks again for your interest in this [[First Amendment to the United States Constitution|First Amendment]] legal case,

— '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 21:57, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for the explanation. I looked at the GA review and thought that was a bit silly, but I don't object to the revert. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 21:58, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
::Okay, thank you very much!!! — '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 21:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC)


== Invitation to join WikiProject Freedom of Speech ==
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#List yourself as a participant in the WikiProject, by adding your username here: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Freedom_of_speech#Participants|List of participants]].
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==MfD nomination of [[Wikipedia:Guide to abbreviations used in deletion debates]]==
[[Wikipedia:Guide to abbreviations used in deletion debates]], a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for [[WP:MfD|deletion]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Guide to abbreviations used in deletion debates ]] and please be sure to [[WP:SIG|sign your comments]] with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). You are free to edit the content of [[Wikipedia:Guide to abbreviations used in deletion debates]] during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:29, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

==Thanks for closing the discussion==
(I mean [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:T:WPMA&action=history this one].) I created the redirect, and probably not many people use it. I like it, but T:WPMHA would work just as well for me, and I don't mind moving it ... is it your sense of the discussion that people would be happier with that? - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 17:10, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
:Perhaps. Some editors just don't like the T: pseudo-namespace. It's up to you, but if it were me, I'd forget it unless it comes up again. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:14, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 17:14, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
:::I went ahead and did the move, since everyone's okay with that AFAICT. I added a note after the close at the discussion page. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 22:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

==[[Military Administration in France]]==
Please refer to [[Talk:Territory_of_the_Military_Commander_in_Serbia/Archive_index]] as why "Military Administration in France" is troublesome (not recognisable, not precise).

I'm all for removing parenthetical disambiguators, but "German military administration in France" could refer to [[occupation of France|occupations in 1871-73, 1914-1918, or 1940-44]].

And on its own without context, it refers to the organisation taking care of administrative affairs of the French military.

"Zone occupée" is not an alternative, as it is its own article.

I'm not fond at all of the title before you changed it, but I'm not really seeing anything better.

Except "Nazi German Military Administration in France", at least it gets rid of us of those ugly parenthesis and that's a marginal improvement.

No wait, I remember that's because it's a direct translation of "Militärverwaltung in Frankreich", and since the German name wasn't "Nationalsozialistischen deutschen Militärverwaltung in Frankreich" that doesn't go. Simply leaving it at [[Militärverwaltung in Frankreich]] is judged to be not English enough.

So, what are we left with? [[Special:Contributions/Victor_falk|''walk'']] [[user:victor falk|''victor falk'']] [[user_talk:victor falk|''talk'']] 18:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not at all attached to the current title; [[Foo (bar)]] simply shouldn't redirect to [[Foo]]; it's [[Wikipedia:unnecessary disambiguation|unnecessary disambiguation]]. If you want to propose an alternative, I (probably) won't object. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 18:49, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

==Category: Gastropod genera==
Hello BDD, I am a bit mystified to see that you created this category. If it ended up being applied throughout the class Gastropoda, there would end up being many thousands of entries in it. Project Gastropods already has 28,000 articles, of those, probably already several thousand are genus articles. Perhaps you did not realize how huge the class Gastropoda is -- it is second only to Class Insecta in terms of how many taxa it includes. Do you really think this category is a good idea? I am dubious, but I am prepared to listed to arguments in its favor. [[User:Invertzoo|Invertzoo]] ([[User talk:Invertzoo|talk]]) 00:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
:Hi Invertzoo. No, I didn't realize Gastropoda was quite so large, but that doesn't really change anything for me. For one thing, it has a parent category, [[:Category:Mollusc genera]] (which, yes, I also made), so even if we were to delete the gastropod one, that would just make the mollusc one less easily navigable. And the mollusc category is a child of [[:Category:Animal genera]], which I did not make. I think our taxonomic categories are underdeveloped and underpopulated, so it's sort of a long-term project I'm working on. If you think it would bring harm somehow, please let me know and I'll try to address your concerns. If you just think it's a fool's errand, that it would [[WP:NODEADLINE|take too long]], well—I'll just ask that you let me tilt at these windmills just the same. (And for what it's worth, there ''is'' a [[:Category:Insect genera]], which is also new but not my creation.) --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 16:53, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

== Gambling in China ==

Nice job with [[Gambling in China]]. I don't think there is much I could do to make it better. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:05, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

==Copyediting Help==
I reviewed [[Murray Buchan]] at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Murray Buchan]] nominated by [[User:Matty.007|Mat]][[User talk:Matty.007|ty]].[[Special:Contributions/Matty.007|007]]. It has copyediting issues and I suggested him independent copyediting as article is just above 1500 words. Can you help him? Regards, -[[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 18:11, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for late reply but thanks a lot for copyediting. :) -[[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 18:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

==Template:Wpcw==
If you relisted [[Template:Wpcw]], and there were zero comments on the relist, how can the disposition be''' Delete'''? --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 04:51, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
:Usually when I relist things it means I don't think there's consensus; after all, if I did think there was consensus, I'd just close it. But lately with the backlog at RFD, I've been relisting in other cases, such as when there's a weak consensus or when I've participated in the discussion (relisting when you're a participant isn't necessarily prohibited, but I prefer to avoid it when practical). Rarely does a second relist really make a difference, so I almost never do that. In cases like that, I figure this is all the discussion I'm going to get, and just make a decision accordingly. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 17:51, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

==Backlog on RfD==
BDD,

I don't have admin rights and don't want them – I wouldn't abuse them as such but I would make too many mistakes (you can see that from the number I make at [[WP:RfD]] as a normal user!). However, is there some way you could grant the right to me to close discussions, I would go very careful but after the "seven days or so" has expired and there's obvious consent, I could close them down? I'd have to take things to CSD etc for the actual deletion if that was the consensus, of course, but I mean just [[WP:WIKIGNOME]]ing to try to lighten the load on you a bit? Is there a way to do that?

Of course technically I can just whack in the templates that you do, but that won't last a minute. I am not trying to gain power – in fact I am trying to lose power, in a sense, because I would have to be a bit more circumspect rather than the general ramble I usuallt give – and I don't want to be admin but if I can help you with a bit of gnoming in any way?

Sincere regards [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:49, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
:I'd be thrilled if you could help out like that. Non-admin closures are permitted, and they can be a real godsend in cases like RfD with its backlog right now. Just check the points at [[WP:NACD]] and close away. It's good form to include {{t|nac}} along with a closing statement in the interests of disclosure. Pinging [[User:Steel1943|Steel1943]] in case he has any advice. He's done this sort of thing before. (I did too, before I was an admin, though it happened more at [[WP:RM]].) --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 16:21, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Ironically, I was just about to jump in with a {{Tl|Talk page stalker}} message, but BDD bet me to responding. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]], in the past, I had done quite a few [[WP:Non-admin closure|non-admin closures]] in the past, and can give you some advice about closing discussions on [[WP:RFD]]. The instructions at [[WP:RFD/AI]] provide some information about how to perform closes at RFD. However, keep in mind that you really should not close a discussion which you are [[WP:INVOLVED|involved]] (which for you, Si, unfortunately, leaves you with almost no discussions which you can close since you participate in most of them), and you "may" get some pushback for trying to close a discussion to "delete", given that at least two essays state that non-admins are not to close discussions in a way where the editor cannot perform the action. I actually learned the "way" to close discussions to "delete" back by following BDD's example when he was a non-administrator (BDD has stated this elsewhere, so it's not really news, and this is how I learned); after closing a discussion to "delete" for an RFD, tag the redirect with a {{Tl|Db-xfd}} tag ... then, it should, in theory, eventually get deleted by an administrator.
::With this being said, when I decide to perform NAC closes anymore (which hasn't been recently, unfortunately), I try to do this one major following point:
::#Avoiding participating in discussions that are obviously going to have a result other than "delete". ("keep", "retarget", "no consensus", "dabify", etc.)
::I mean, hey, if it's obviously going to be deleted, put in your deletion opinion in the discussion. But Si, I will say this: with your input, you may be better off just participating in RFD as you have been. In some of the discussions, I've seen some "retarget" votes from you that include a target that no one else would have thought about unless you brought it up ... targets that everyone then seems to accept a after it is mentioned. Anyways, there's my two cents: hope that helps! [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 16:47, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I think you are right. I will stay as a wikignome and continue to give my perverse opinions. I just wanted to lighten the load a bit, but in no way was I asking for admin etc: I was offered some times in the past and refused it, prefer to gnome. I don't actually participate in ''every'' discussion, there are a few that are so banal that I leave it to those <s>less</s>more capable. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 17:36, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

==Notifications==
Hi BDD,

I apologize for having taken so long to respond to your message. I have been experiencing significant internet connectivity problems over the past week or so, I am just getting back from vacation, and life has just generally been more hectic than normal recently. I am normally much quicker in my replies. Thank you for notifying me of the various prods and rfds you have been initiating; I would be grateful if you would continue to notify me of any new such discussions. Have you started any more beyond what you have mentioned on my talk page? I will attempt to visit and weigh in on each soon. Thank you for your diligence in this matter.

[[User:Neelix|Neelix]] ([[User talk:Neelix|talk]]) 20:28, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
:I had started to compile items in my sandbox so I could wait to hear from you before proceeding. Still, I think I might as well proceed with them as a batch, so hopefully I won't be lighting up your talk page too badly in the meantime. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 21:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

==[[Conan (TV series)]]==
Hello. Why did you retarget this redirect before the hundreds of incoming links were [[WP:FIXDABLINKS|repaired]]? I'd even expanded the hatnote at [[Conan (talk show)]] to point to the disambiguation page in the interim. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 01:45, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:David Levy|David]]. As you may know, the main flaw in the What Links Here function is that links from templates, especially navboxes, continue to show as incoming even after the templates have been updated, sometimes even days later. So I updated the templates, and from there the only way to tell if there were still incoming links would be to check every one. Better, I thought, to wait a few days, and in the meantime editors who clean up links to dabs might catch the remainders. That appears to have happened here. This is the big problem with [[WP:FIXDABLINKS]], which is a good sentiment, but strictly applied to RM it would be a huge impediment to that already slow process. When I make unilateral changes, I generally will go through all the links. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 16:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
::[[Special:Contributions/BD2412|BD2412]] repaired almost all of the incoming links in the article namespace (410 of them, to be specific) the following day. To my recollection, these links accounted for a vast majority of those reported via the WhatLinksHere function.
::I'm aware of the template bug, but I don't understand why it necessitated that the redirect be retargeted to the disambiguation page immediately. Why not update the templates, "wait a few days", repair the incoming links in the article namespace, and ''then'' retarget the redirect?
::If you disagree with the guideline (or its application in the context of the RM process), you might want to participate [[Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#WP:FIXDABLINKS|the ongoing discussion about it]] (to which I linked when {{diff|Conan (TV series)|608095431||undoing}} the same retargeting less than a day before you reinstated it). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 17:14, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

==Shiny Pidgey==
Hi, regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_(1%E2%80%9351)&curid=10201245&diff=608566033&oldid=607098702 this edit], I was just about to revert it, and wanted to let you know why, and maybe get your opinion or feedback on the matter. I usually, before reverting somebody's edit, check their user page or history to see how much I would need to explain(ie, some IPs I might just plain revert with no explanation, new users genuinely trying to help I may explain on their userpage, and others I would just explain in the edit summary.) Seeing you are an administrator, I came to talk to you personally about it, so I might could prevent this from happening in the future.

Generally what I would say about this particular edit is:
* 1. It is a "minor [[Internet meme]]". Memes in general aren't that notable, specifically not minor ones. I don't see why this is worth mentioning.
* 2. As a source, you used "knowyourmeme", which would be great as a primary source, but also uses user-generated content to an extent(I think?), and isn't too reliable.
* 3. This means that, to demonstrate notability of this meme to include it in this section about [[Pidgey]], you would need to use a reliable third party source giving it some form of coverage that demonstrates notability.

I also know that not all administrators are alike, and you may not venture into this kind of stuff often. I assume that there was some form of "edit request" page where a user requested that you make this edit, and it wasn't entirely your idea, so you would rather just make the edit then explain to the user why it was a bad idea. But now that I have explained it to you, I hope you either explain to me why you think otherwise, or I taught you something here, and you will not continue to make edits like this. Thanks, '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' ([[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]) 18:55, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Blake|Blake]], and thanks for getting in touch. I added that content when I came across the redirect {{no redirect|Shiny Pidgey}}. I figured that since it wasn't discussed at [[Gameplay of Pokémon#Shiny Pokémon]] or [[List of Pokémon (1–51)#Pidgey]], it should be deleted. Then I thought of what a slow process RfD had become lately, and figured it would be easier to just briefly address the topic. But as a Pokémon project editor, you may be in a better position to judge here. Either the meme should be address or the redirect shouldn't exist, though—the status quo was not benefiting anyone.
:As for [[Know Your Meme]], it's true that some of its content is user-generated, but it's probably the best curated source out there for information on memes. I'd take its background information with a grain of salt, but if the statement you're supporting is that "X is a meme" and it has a page on KYM, I think that's a pretty safe bet. Finally, while I would certainly agree that "Shiny Pidgey" doesn't meet GNG or anything, it doesn't need to be notable on its own in order to be simply mentioned in another article ([[WP:NNC]]). So my addition is plenty well within guidelines, I think, but again, I wouldn't object to dispensing with it [[iff]] we delete the redirect as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 21:09, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

==Psyche==
Hi, as far as I know, there is only one journal titled ''Psyche'', so I'm at a loss understanding why you moved [[Psyche (journal)]] to [[Psyche (consciousness journal)]] and redirected the former to [[Psyche]], which is a disambiguation page. This seems needlessly complicated to me. You linked to a policy, but I don't really see how this would direct us to do things this way either. Can you enlighten me? --[[User:Randykitty|Randykitty]] ([[User talk:Randykitty|talk]]) 08:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
:Just look on the dab: it's [[Psyche (entomological journal)]]. It appears to be more prominent, is not defunct, and several incoming links were intended for it anyway. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 15:04, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
::Sjeez, didn't look past the first journal... I'm not at a loss any more, thanks and sorry for the unnecessary inquiry! :-) --[[User:Randykitty|Randykitty]] ([[User talk:Randykitty|talk]]) 15:31, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

==Move review notification==
Because you participated in the most recent discussion regarding the proposed move of [[Hillary Rodham Clinton]], you are hereby notified per [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification]] that the administrative determination of consensus from that discussion is being challenged at [[Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2014 May]]. Please feel free to comment there. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|'''''bd2412''''']] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

== Redirect LED IPS ==

Please delete this redirect (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 7, ''LED IPS''. It is unsuitable and creates additional confusion. Thanks.

[[User:BBCLCD|BBCLCD]] ([[User talk:BBCLCD|talk]]) 13:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

==The Beatles (album)==
Care to expand on the close rationale? Thanks. [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 19:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
:I think it's pretty self-evident that editors are closely divided on the question, and have been whenever it's been raised. For better or worse, inertia will probably keep the move from happening, at least any time soon. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 19:09, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for the quick response, but did you read the previous closing rationale? The closer went to lengths to analyze the policy arguments, many of which were repeated this time, but some of which were new. Would you mind posting your analysis of the policy arguments? Particularly how you weighed the applicability of [[WP:COMMONNAME]] vs. [[WP:OFFICIALNAME]], and any other policies/arguments you considered? I (and I'm sure others) would greatly appreciate it - thanks. Editors may be closely divided, but is policy? [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 19:15, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
:::I think this discussion was essentially a rehash of the one that happened just over a month ago. Except for a few remarks on specific comments, Drmies's explanation of that close still applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 19:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Sorry to not let this go, but I would disagree. I think the !supporters largely augmented their previous reliance on [[WP:COMMONNAME]] with more evidence of usage in sources, as requested by Drmies ("next time, if there is a next time, we can leave much of this chatter (sorry) by the wayside and present the sources--many sources, strong sources, preferably a couple which discuss the naming issue explicitly"). Did you not find that evidence presented - especially [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Beatles_(album)&diff=608420978&oldid=608414668 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Beatles_(album)&diff=607692176&oldid=607609511 here]? As for the !opposers, it seems they largely relied on [[WP:OFFICIALNAME]]. Several editors (myself included) tried to show that those arguments were based on a ''mis''reading of that essay. Would you concur? If so, what is left of the !oppose arguments that would lead to a no-consensus result? [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 20:23, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::I'll reopen it and leave the decision for someone else. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 20:29, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::Hope I wasn't too strident about it - I do appreciate your work. [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

== Please comment on [[Talk:Cannabis (drug)#rfc_A3CEE7D|Talk:Cannabis (drug)]] ==

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== Athens railway station move ==

Hi, it's an uncontroversial request to simply de-capitalise [[Athens railway station]], per railway station MoS, and then protect the capitalised redirect from sockpuppet edits by Pumpie. If you are new to this user, the user got indef-blocked for bad quality edits despite numerous RfC. However, I am a bit late to the sockpuppet issue. --'''[[User:Marianian|Marianian]]'''([[User_talk:Marianian|talk]]) 02:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Dada Bhagwan]] ==

The users disputing the name [[Ambalal Muljibhai Patel]] turned out to be sockpuppets. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vorajinesh/Archive] Which forum should I go to gain consensus for the move? Will RFC work here? --[[User:The Rahul Jain|Rahul]] ([[User talk:The Rahul Jain|talk]]) 03:05, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

== I just did my first RfD procedural close ==

I did a procedural close on an RfD raised today that was obviously a slip by two good-faith editors who have been working together on an article. I even got it right the first time! Woo hoo! I don't want to be admin: this one was obvious as the two collaborators (I mean it in the nicest way) the second had added {{tlx|tick|yes}} on the RfD. so it was obviously in agreement.

So by sparing you two seconds I have now wasted your time... that's useful... I noted the comments above by {{ping|Steel1943}} etc: [[Acoustics|sound advice]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

==Categories and biographical subarticles==
Hi. I don't think [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Early_life_and_military_career_of_John_McCain&diff=609832473&oldid=598825004 this edit of yours today] is a good idea. It takes away from readers the chance to discover a detail article that they may care about. For example, if a reader is perusing [[:Category:Vietnam War prisoners of war]], they used to see both [[John McCain]] and [[Early life and military career of John McCain]], and that gave them a direct chance to view the biographical subarticle that would have much more information on McCain's time as a POW. Now, to find that by the category system, they would have to go to [[John McCain]], go all the way to the bottom, look at [[:Category:John McCain]], then find [[Early life and military career of John McCain]] among all of those entries. That's much less likely to happen. Same goes for readers perusing [[:Category:Shot-down aviators]], [[:Category:American torture victims]], and so on. So how is this change that you did beneficial for the reader? [[User:Wasted Time R|Wasted Time R]] ([[User talk:Wasted Time R|talk]]) 00:57, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:See [[WP:INCOMPATIBLE]]. "Early life and military career of John McCain" isn't a shot-down aviator or ''Jeopardy!'' contestant. As a spin-off article, readers are always going to come to that article mostly though the main McCain one, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD#top|talk]]) 16:56, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:: This seems too literal an interpretation of WP:INCOMPATIBLE. The subject of "Early life and military career of John McCain" is clearly a shot-down aviator and a Jeopardy contestant, even if the title itself is not. (And the Jeopardy fact isn't even included in the main article, only in the detail article, which means that readers won't be able to find that at all via the category system. And periodically someone deletes the category from the main article because it isn't sourced there.) No offense intended, but I think this is one of those cases where WP editors get wrapped up in internal, legalistic interpretations of all the WP:XYZ rules and forget about what actually benefits readers. I will admit to being self-interested here, because I spent huge amounts of time researching, writing, and getting to FA the "Early life and military career of John McCain" article. I want people to know it's available and read it, because I often see comments on the main article talk page that that article doesn't address something or other, when those things are in the detail article. Look at the stats for any biographical subarticle and you'll see the readership numbers are usually 100:1 worse than for the main article, which means readers just aren't seeing it. I figure the category system is another way to make those articles visible. Including this article in those categories that you removed does no harm to anything and has the potential to do good. I'd ask you as an admin to reconsider your position on this. Thanks. [[User:Wasted Time R|Wasted Time R]] ([[User talk:Wasted Time R|talk]]) 00:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*If BDD is pointing to article wiki links to down weight the problem of more difficult category navigation, this is a poor argument. The different navigation methods (interwikilinks, search function, category system, navigation templates) are complementary, independent of each other, and different readers will try different methods. One method working well is not a reason to not worry about another method. --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 10:24, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

==Move review for [[Dada Bhagwan]]==
An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Move review#Dada Bhagwan|Move review]] of [[Dada Bhagwan]]. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review.  [[User:The Rahul Jain|Rahul]] ([[User talk:The Rahul Jain|talk]]) 06:33, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

== Moldova ==

I'll make the stub. What do you want me to do? Si Trew logged in as IP [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:57, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:54:54Z

84.236.37.246: /* Template:PM5K */ Odd enough

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===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Keep'''. Makes perfect sense. Si Trew editing under IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::It could: I was thinking of 5 [[kilohertz]] [[power modulation]] (in apposition to [[frequency modulation]] or [[amplitude modulation]]), actually, but doing an external search I appear to be about the only one who did. Si Trew signing as IP [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

::I think a PM5K is also a small transistor/resistor IC used for reducing voltage on microprocessors, but I should have to check my books for that and I haven't them here. A PM5K is a power modulator with five kilohms resistance. Costs you about 39p depending on whether you go to [[Maplin Electronics]] or [[Radio Spares]] or whatever your fancy be. Or have I entirely lost the plot? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::I think I have lost the plot a bit: you were discussing the template, I was discussing the article. Still, I think the two are pairs and snares together: [[PM5K]] redirects to the article [[Powerman 5000]] (entirely separately from the templates, of course). Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:51:59Z

84.236.37.246: /* Template:PM5K */

<noinclude>{{rfd log header|2014|May 26|2014|May 28}}</noinclude>
===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Keep'''. Makes perfect sense. Si Trew editing under IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::It could: I was thinking of 5 [[kilohertz]] [[power modulation]] (in apposition to [[frequency modulation]] or [[amplitude modulation]]), actually, but doing an external search I appear to be about the only one who did. Si Trew signing as IP [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

::I think a PM5K is also a small transistor/resistor IC used for reducing voltage on microprocessors, but I should have to check my books for that and I haven't them here. A PM5K is a power modulator with five kilohms resistance. Costs you about 39p. Or have I entirely lost the plot? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::I think I have lost the plot a bit: you were discussing the template, I was discussing the article. Still, I think the two are pairs and snares together: [[PM5K]] redirects to the article [[Powerman 5000]] (entirely separately from the templates, of course). Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:50:23Z

84.236.37.246: /* Template:PM5K */ Just indenting mine for consistency

<noinclude>{{rfd log header|2014|May 26|2014|May 28}}</noinclude>
===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Keep'''. Makes perfect sense. Si Trew editing under IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::It could: I was thinking of 5 [[kilohertz]] [[power modulation]] (in apposition to [[frequency modulation]] or [[amplitude modulation]]), actually, but doing an external search I appear to be about the only one who did. Si Trew signing as IP [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

::I think a PM5K is also a small transistor/resistor IC used for reducing voltage on microprocessors, but I should have to check my books for that and I haven't them here. A PM5K is a power modulator with five kilohms resistance. Costs you about 39p. Or have I entirely lost the plot? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::I think I have lost the plot a bit: you were discussing the template, I was discussing the article. Still, I think the two are pairs and snares together: [[PM5K]] redirects to the article (entirely separately from the templates, of course). Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:44:44Z

84.236.37.246: /* Template:PM5K */ Indicate my confusion

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===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Keep'''. Makes perfect sense. Si Trew editing under IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::It could: I was thinking of 5 [[kilohertz]] [[power modulation]] (in apposition to [[frequency modulation]] or [[amplitude modulation]]), actually, but doing an external search I appear to be about the only one who did. Si Trew signing as IP [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

:I think a PM5K is also a small transistor/resistor IC used for reducing voltage on microprocessors, but I should have to check my books for that and I haven't them here. A PM5K is a power modulator with five kilohms resistance. Costs you about 39p. Or have I entirely lost the plot? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::I think I have lost the plot a bit: you were discussing the template, I was discussing the article. Still, I think the two are pairs and snares together: [[PM5K]] redirects to the article (entirely separately from the templates, of course). Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:42:17Z

84.236.37.246: /* Template:PM5K */ I did lose the plot a bit but the point stands.

<noinclude>{{rfd log header|2014|May 26|2014|May 28}}</noinclude>
===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Keep'''. Makes perfect sense. Si Trew editing under IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::It could: I was thinking of 5 [[kilohertz]] [[power modulation]] (in apposition to [[frequency modulation]] or [[amplitude modulation]]), actually, but doing an external search I appear to be about the only one who did. Si Trew signing as IP [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

:I think a PM5K is also a small transistor/resistor IC used for reducing voltage on microprocessors, but I should have to check my books for that and I haven't them here. A PM5K is a power modulator with five kilohms resistance. Costs you about 39p. Or have I entirely lost the plot? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::I think I have lost the plot a bit: you were discussing the template, I was discussing the article. Still, I think the two are pairs and snares together. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:36:37Z

84.236.37.246: /* Template:PM5K */ have I lost the plot?

<noinclude>{{rfd log header|2014|May 26|2014|May 28}}</noinclude>
===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Keep'''. Makes perfect sense. Si Trew editing under IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::It could: I was thinking of 5 [[kilohertz]] [[power modulation]] (in apposition to [[frequency modulation]] or [[amplitude modulation]]), actually, but doing an external search I appear to be about the only one who did. Si Trew signing as IP [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

:I think a PM5K is also a small transistor/resistor IC used for reducing voltage on microprocessors, but I should have to check my books for that and I haven't them here. A PM5K is a power modulator with five kilohms resistance. Costs you about 39p. Or have I entirely lost the plot? [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

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===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Keep'''. Makes perfect sense. Si Trew editing under IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::It could: I was thinking of 5 [[kilohertz]] [[power modulation]] (in apposition to [[frequency modulation]] or [[amplitude modulation]]), actually, but doing an external search I appear to be about the only one who did. Si Trew signing as IP [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:30:42Z

84.236.37.246: /* Template:PM5K */ Could do

<noinclude>{{rfd log header|2014|May 26|2014|May 28}}</noinclude>
===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Keep'''. Makes perfect sense. Si Trew editing under IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::It could: I was thinking of 5[[kiloHertz]] [[Power Modulation]], actually, but doing an external search I appear to be about the only one who did.Si Trew signing as IP [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:28:05Z

84.236.37.246: /* Google Sites and Google Docs */ Mind the gap

<noinclude>{{rfd log header|2014|May 26|2014|May 28}}</noinclude>
===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Keep'''. Makes perfect sense. Si Trew editing under IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:27:34Z

84.236.37.246: /* Google Sites and Google Docs */

<noinclude>{{rfd log header|2014|May 26|2014|May 28}}</noinclude>
===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
'''Keep'''. Makes perfect sense. Si Trew editing under IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:26:17Z

84.236.37.246: /* Φαινόμενoν */ my call

<noinclude>{{rfd log header|2014|May 26|2014|May 28}}</noinclude>
===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 
::"Phainomenon" would seem reasonable. The Greek one seems, for ''English'' Wikipedia, less reasonable, under the usual token (i.e. obviously Greek but not ''especially'' Greek). The last two are absurd. Sorry for the EC, Csilnap. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:21:44Z

84.236.37.246: /* Φαινόμενoν */ Take the ramble out: been told off for rambling

<noinclude>{{rfd log header|2014|May 26|2014|May 28}}</noinclude>
===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

{{ec}} Sorry. Si Trew editing as IP: Will check up: Conflicted with Cnilep.

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27

2014-05-27T22:18:52Z

84.236.37.246: /* Φαινόμενoν */ That would be why

<noinclude>{{rfd log header|2014|May 26|2014|May 28}}</noinclude>
===May 27===
<noinclude>This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2014.</noinclude>


====Fresh Pickle====
*{{no redirect|1 = Fresh Pickle }} → [[Pickle]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Fresh Pickle|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fresh Pickle|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fresh Pickle|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Fresh Pickle]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Fresh Pickle is apparently a [[cucumber]] cultivar, but it's not discussed at that page. Redirecting to a dab where none of the entries could reasonably be referred to as "Fresh Pickle" doesn't make sense. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' to [[List of cucumber varieties]]. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
::<s>Yes, that works for me. We may never have much to say about this variety, but it's a legitimate list entry. [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], is that good enough a mention for you? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</s>
:::Do we have any citation that there is a cultivar by this name? It isn't listed on the Dave's Garden site [http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/cultivars.php?sname=Cucumbers&choice=F], which is the most comprehensive listing I know of. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Actually, I haven't been able to find evidence of it either. Perhaps if the redirect is deleted the list entry should be as well. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.<s> It's not discussed anywhere as I can see. It would seem a [[contradiction in terms]], to pickle something, as a preservative method, necessarily involves it not being fresh. I found this recipe after a struggle:
:*{{cite web|work=bon appétit.com|url=http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/fresh-pickle-relish|title=Fresh pickle relish|accessdate=13 May 2014|date=}}

:However that seems to mean in the sense either that the stuff was fresh before it was pickled, or that the recipe is fresh (new), not that the [[pickled cucumber]]s (or in British English [[gherkin]]s) necessarily are.

:I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a band or whatever that calls itself "Fresh Pickle", even an ironic one like [[Brown Sauce (band)]], but I couldn't find it. I go through google.hu which although ends up at the same server bank as google.com or google.co.uk or google.ie or whatever, second-guesses one's search results, and pickled cucumbers are very popular in Hungary, so it may be that it has tailored my results that way and others will have more success with searching.

:[[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''maybe keep''' I don't know of a "Fresh Pickles" cucumber variety (there is one called "Homemade Pickles"), but I did see one source claiming that a "fresh pickle" is one that is prepared without cooking. I don't know how good this source is. There are a gajillion other hits for unrelated topics and just the juxtaposition of the two words, so I'm not opposed to outright deletion. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, it seems rather vague. In Hungarian it would be {{lang|hu|''friss savanyúság''}} if anything and they eat pickles as if they had [[Rationing in the United Kingdom|just come off the ration]] but I have never heard it in Hungarian that way: this is relevant because a lot of products are labelled in English instead of Hungarian so it would probably be written that way in the small print at least (but usually in the large print since anything ostensibly foreign is regarded as a bit classy even if in fact it is made in [[Nagykata]] or whatever). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''maybe keep'''', with Mangoe. It's vague but it does no harm, really: at least I think we all agree the target is the right place for it to go, if it stays? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Infotag news agency====
*{{no redirect|1 = Infotag news agency }} → [[Moldova]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Infotag news agency|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Infotag news agency|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Infotag news agency|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 12#Infotag news agency]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] [[User:TheChampionMan1234|The]][[User talk:TheChampionMan1234|ChampionMan]][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234]] 07:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
* What is your rationale for deleting this proper redirect? The Infotag news agency is the state run news agency of Moldava. If you are going to put something up for deletion, minimally do a Google search on the term. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::The nominator certainly should've included some sort of rationale, but since the subject isn't discussed at the target article, I wouldn't say this is a proper redirect. A user who already knows that Infotag is the news agency of Moldova learns nothing; a user that doesn't know what Infotag is just gets confused. See [[WP:RFD#DELETE]] #10. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' old (5 years!), non-harmful redirect. Now mentioned on target page. Could become an article. All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC). 
*'''Delete or stubbify''' [[WP:REDLINK]], this is a notable topic that should have a redlink to encourage people to write an article. Or RAN could write a stub in its place, as he seems to know something about the entity. As an official news agency for a government/state, it should either be a redlink or a stub, or redirect to a section that documents it. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:REDLINK]]. The agency is now ''mentioned'' at the target page, but that's all. RFD#DELETE #10 still fully applies. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Redirects of this sort discourage the creation of articles while providing essentially nothing of value. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obviously misleading. [[They think it's all over|They think it's Moldova]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
*I wanted to go ahead and make a stub here, but non-primary sources on the company are hard to find, at least in English. According to the English version of their website, Infotag is independent, not state-owned, as it says on [[Moldova]] (without a citation). It's also unclear to me whether their name is Infotag News Agency, as it appears on their site, or just Infotag. My working draft is at [[User:BDD/Infotag]], but there's very little so far. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:'''Relisting comment:''' Anyone want to help me out with this stub so we can hopefully end up with an article? 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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====Φαινόμενoν====
*{{no redirect|1 = Φαινόμενoν }} → [[Phenomenon]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Φαινόμενoν|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Φαινόμενoν|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Φαινόμενoν|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19#Φαινόμενoν]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phainomenon }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phainomenon|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phainomenon&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Phainomenon stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phainomenon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Phänomen }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Phänomen|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ph%C3%A4nomen&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Ph%C3%A4nomen stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Phänomen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ]
*{{no redirect|1 = Fenómeno }} → [[Phenomenon]]  ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fenómeno|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fen%C3%B3meno&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201404/Fen%C3%B3meno stats])     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fenómeno|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 19]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 
'''Delete'''. Neither especially Greek, German, Galician, Portuguese, nor Spanish. [[User:Gorobay|Gorobay]] ([[User talk:Gorobay|talk]]) 20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even were they, they have no place in EN:WP. '''Delete'''' per Gorobay. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' generic topic with no particular affinity for any particular languages. [[WP:NOT]] a translation dictionary -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 03:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep {{No redirect|Phainomenon}}''' as an {{Tl|R from misspelling}}. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''[[WP:RELIST|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.''' 
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Delete''' per Steel1943. Mispelling but unlikely one. I am not allowed to make jokes, so I won't ''at all'' mention that it is also common for engineers in the UK (and most engineers are [[common people|common]]), when someone says "phenomena", to sing back "doo-doo do do do" Like the [[Mnahh-Mnahhs]] from [[The Muppet Show]]:which, coincidentally, was made in the UK about 20 miles from where I lived because the American networks wouldn't take it. Oh I forgot, I have a sense of humour after all. Si Trew editing as IP. [[Special:Contributions/84.236.37.246|84.236.37.246]] ([[User talk:84.236.37.246|talk]])

====Google Sites and Google Docs====
*{{no redirect|1 = Google Sites and Google Docs }} → [[Google Sites]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Google Sites and Google Docs|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Google Sites and Google Docs|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Google Sites and Google Docs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Google Sites and Google Docs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

The redirect should be deleted, it makes no sense to link Google Docs with Google Sites and then to redirect the user to the Google Sites page. Its as if someone created a redirect called Apples and Oranges and then redirected it to Apples. Nonsense! [[User:ProductBox|ProductBox]] ([[User talk:ProductBox|talk]]) 11:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Template:PM5K====
*{{no redirect|1 = Template:PM5K }} → [[Template:Powerman 5000]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:PM5K|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Template:PM5K|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:PM5K|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Template:PM5K]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

unlikely template-redirect [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' What possible harm could this do? What other page could it possibly refer to? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Dire straits====
*{{no redirect|1 = Dire straits }} → [[Dire Straits]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Dire straits|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dire straits|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dire straits|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Dire straits]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

Expand redirect to dab. the phrase without [[WP:CAPS]] usually means [[financial difficulties]], but as it stands the capless redirect might do better as a rudimentary dab page with (1) [[financial difficulties]], (2) [[Dire Straits]] (3) [[Dire Straits (album)]] (4) "Dire Straits" Mads Langer song. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I've made a sample dab below the Rfd header. My opinion is '''Weak Dabify''' for now since #1 & #2 are linked together via a hatnote in the target article, #4 isn't an article yet and we can simply add the wiktionary entry about financial issues on the main Dire Straits article.--[[User:Lenticel|Lenticel]] ([[User talk:Lenticel|talk]]) 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' for the same reasons given as Lenticel - we can handle this as is for now. Besides, most searchers are not careful with caps, so it would be better to send "dire straits" directly to "Dire Straits". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Since the MediaWiki software is case-insensitive by default, it's best not to treat variations in capitalization differently except in very clear cases, [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] aside. Here, we don't do [[WP:DICDEF]]s, so there's really no question about primary topic. And for what it's worth, I think "dire staits" refers to any difficult situation, not necessarily financial; Wiktionary agrees. I've created [[Dire Straits (disambiguation)]], which I think resolves the issue. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

====Pussycat (disambiguation)====
*{{no redirect|1 = Pussycat (disambiguation) }} → [[Pussycat]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pussycat (disambiguation)|links to redirect]] • [{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Pussycat (disambiguation)|year=2014|month=04|text=stats}})     <nowiki>[</nowiki> Closure: ''[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pussycat (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 27#Pussycat (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]'' ] 

I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but... Since the word "pussycat" primarily refers to cats, that name should redirect to [[Cat]], and the disambiguation page currently at [[Pussycat]] should be moved to [[Pussycat (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Cnilep}} [[WP:RM]] would probably be a better forum, given that a page move is being requested. Otherwise, I have no opinion ... right now. [[User:Steel1943|'''''Steel1943''''']] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 01:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
*'''Procedural close''' this is a request for [[WP:Requested moves]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 04:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
::If it ends up as I've suggested, there will actually be multiple changes: moving the content at 'Pussycat (disambiguation)' and redirecting 'Pussycat' to 'Cat', plus subsequent additions/changes to this and other disambiguation pages. (For example, if 'Pussycat' becomes a redirect to 'Cat', adding it to [[Pussy (disambiguation)]] would make more sense.) I've noted this discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation]], and in my experience listing at RM doesn't tend to garner much attention beyond folks who already contribute to the page being moved. I don't imagine the [[WP:CON|quality or outcome]] of the debate will be significantly changed by moving from this forum to another one, though I would certainly have no objection to seeking wider input. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)