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List of works based on Peter Pan

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[[Peter Pan]], [[characters of Peter Pan|his fellow characters]], and the setting of [[Neverland]] have appeared in many works since the original books and [[Peter and Wendy|1904 play]] by [[J. M. Barrie]]. The earliest were the stage productions of the play, and an adaptation to [[silent film]], done with Barrie's involvement and personal approval. Later works were authorised by [[Great Ormond Street Hospital]], to which Barrie gave the rights to the Peter Pan works; these include adaptations of the main story in both [[animation|animated]] and [[live-action film]]s, [[musicals|musical stage productions]], and a [[sequel]] [[novel]]. In addition, there have been numerous uses of Barrie's characters, settings, and storylines which challenged or took advantage of the changing [[copyright]] status of these elements, including reinterpretations, sequels, [[prequel]]s, and [[Spin-off (media)|spin-off]]s in a variety of media, including film, television series, and books.

Adaptations of ''Peter Pan'' for public performance have a unique status in UK copyright law: [[Great Ormond Street Hospital]] has the right to receive [[royalties]] in perpetuity under specific provisions in the [[Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988#Peter Pan|Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988]].

When dramatised, the character of Peter has usually been played by an adult woman. For boys' roles to be played by women is a convention of the [[pantomime]] tradition that was popular when the play was first produced, and was necessitated by laws restricting the use of child actors for evening performances. Later adaptations have often followed this example, for reasons that include tradition, the performance demands of the role, and the marketing advantages of "star" actresses. The roles of [[Captain Hook]] and [[George Darling (Peter Pan)|George Darling]] happened to be played by the same actor in the original production, a tradition which has sometimes been continued in later dramatic adaptations.

==Books and other publications==
===Original works===
* 1904 – ''Peter Pan, or The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up'' (play): Peter brings Wendy and her brothers to Neverland, where he has a showdown with his nemesis, Captain Hook. After the play was first staged in 1904, Barrie continued to make changes until the script was published officially in 1928.<ref>Birkin, Andrew.''J.M. Barrie and the Lost Boys''Yale (2003)</ref> This play was later adapted as a novel by Barrie
* 1906 – ''[[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]]'': an origin story where the infant Peter flies away from his home, takes up residence in Kensington Gardens and makes friends with the fairies. The story first appeared as a chapter in Barrie's ''[[The Little White Bird]]'' published in 1902
* 1908 – ''When Wendy Grew Up – An Afterthought'', a short sequel play first staged in 1908, but only published in book form in 1957
* 1911 – ''Peter and Wendy'' (novel), later published as ''Peter Pan and Wendy'', adapted as a novel from the play, it also incorporates events from ''When Wendy Grew Up – An Afterthought''
* 1928 – ''Peter Pan, or The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up'', the first publication of the script of the play

===Literary fiction, picture books and other publications===

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*'''''The Peter Pan Picture Book''''' (sometimes entitled ''The Story of Peter Pan''), retold by Daniel O'Connor, illustrated by [[Alice B. Woodward]] (1907),<ref>O'Connor, Daniel, illustrated by Alice B Woodward. ''The Peter Pan Picture Book''. G. Bell & Sons (1907)</ref> based on the original stage production of 1904. The text was also published as ''Peter Pan Keepsake'' but illustrated with photographs from the first productions.<ref>O'Connor, Daniel. ''Peter Pan Keepsake''. Chatto & Windus (1907)</ref> It is the first novelisation of the play and also the first illustrated version of the story. This version differs from Barrie's own 1911 novelisation because he had made several changes to his play and story since it was first staged in 1904
*'''''Peter Pan and Wendy''''', retold by [[May Byron]] (1915), authorized novelisation of the novel, later illustrated by [[Mabel Lucie Attwell]] in 1921. It was the first time that this form of the title was used, later reused also for Barrie's own novel
*'''''Peter Pan and the Only Children''''' by [[Gilbert Adair]] (1987), an unauthorised sequel/prequel novel. This book is written and presented in a format similar to ''Peter and Wendy'', with bound-in colour illustrations by Jenny Thorne. It has Peter living with a different gang of Lost Boys under the ocean, recruiting "only children" who jump from passing ships as new members, including the newest: 10-year-old Marissa Porter. They have adventures under the sea, including a duel with Captain Hook which ends indecisively. The narrator suggests at the end that perhaps this is a ''prequel'' to the adventure with Wendy Darling, or they take place without sequence. Adair's previous novel was ''[[Alice through the Needle's Eye]]'', a sequel to the [[Alice in Wonderland]] stories
*'''''Neverland''''' by Toby Forward (1989), first of the cancelled ''Neverland'' series where Peter Pan, Captain Hook etc. are brought back to life through a computer game. Published by Simon & Schuster when Peter Pan first entered the public domain in the UK, before the copyright was revived in 1995
*'''''Hook''''' by [[Terry Brooks]] (1991), a novelization of [[Hook (film)|the Spielberg film]]
*'''''After the Rain: A New Adventure for Peter Pan''''' by J. E. Somma (1999), an unauthorised sequel novel. Set in modern times, telling of Peter's reaction to a world that has grown to neglect him, and his rescue by three children who teach him that it's OK to grow up. It was published without incident in Canada, where the copyright to Peter Pan was generally agreed to have expired, but Somma and GOSH were in legal dispute when it was published in the U.S. in 2002, where GOSH claimed their copyrights were still valid. They eventually settled out of court<ref>https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/attachments/SommaPressRelease.pdf {{Bare URL PDF|date=March 2022}}</ref>
*'''''Jardines de Kensington''''' (translated into English as "Kensington Gardens") by [[Rodrigo Fresán]] (2003), interweaves the story of Peter Pan, his creator JM Barrie, and various aspects of 1960s London pop culture. The narrator is called "Peter Hook"<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/jul/23/featuresreviews.guardianreview16|title=Review: Kensington Gardens by Rodrigo Fresán|website=[[The Guardian]]|date=22 July 2005}}</ref>
*'''''The Lost Girls: A Novel''''' by Laurie Fox (2004), an unauthorised sequel novel. Follows the interaction of Peter Pan with each generation of [[Wendy Darling]]'s female descendants, up to a distinctly 21st-century great-great-granddaughter. Published by [[Simon & Schuster]].
*The "Starcatchers" books by [[Dave Barry]] and [[Ridley Pearson]], an unauthorised series [[Reboot (fiction)|reboot]],<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.broadway.com/buzz/161678/playwright-rick-elice-on-transforming-a-lost-boy-and-girl-into-peter-and-the-starcatcher/|title=Playwright Rick Elice on Transforming a Lost Boy and Girl into Peter and the Starcatcher |last=Elice |first=Rick |date=8 May 2012 |publisher=Broadway.com |access-date=17 December 2019 |quote=...connected the dots between the now-mythic characters and plot points of the original with Dave and Ridley’s '''reboot'''. (Emp. Added)}}</ref> published by [[Hachette Books#Hyperion Books|Hyperion Books]] (a subsidiary of Disney) in the US and by Walker Books in the UK<ref>[http://www.bewilderingstories.com/issue194/books.html Book Review: Barry and Pearson: "Peter and the Starcatchers"]</ref><ref>[http://www.davebarry.com/books-by-type.php?type=Young%20Adult David Barry's site]</ref><ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/series/44533-peter-and-the-starcatchers Goodreads-Peter and the Starcatchers]</ref>
**'''''[[Peter and the Starcatchers]]''''' (2004).<ref>{{Cite book|isbn = 0-7868-5445-6|title = Peter and the Starcatchers|last1 = Barry|first1 = Dave|last2 = Pearson|first2 = Ridley|date = September 2004| publisher=Disney Editions }}</ref> Set on a ship called ''Never Land'' featuring Peter and an earlier group of [[Peter Pan's Lost Boys|Lost Boys]]. In 2005, the publisher announced plans by Disney to adapt the book as a digitally animated movie. "Peter and the Starcatchers" was adapted to a play similarly titled "Peter and the Starcatcher" winning several Tony awards<ref>{{cite web|title=Synopsis|url=http://peterandthestarcatcher.com/about/synopsis/|work=Official Site for PETER AND THE STARCATCHER|access-date=12 September 2012|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120913005640/http://peterandthestarcatcher.com/about/synopsis|archive-date=13 September 2012|url-status=dead}}</ref>
**'''''[[Peter and the Shadow Thieves]]''''' (2006)<ref>{{Cite book|isbn = 0-7868-3787-X|title = Peter and the Shadow Thieves|last1 = Barry|first1 = Dave|last2 = Pearson|first2 = Ridley|date = 27 June 2006| publisher=Disney Editions }}</ref>
**'''''[[Peter and the Secret of Rundoon]]''''' (2007)<ref>{{Cite book|isbn = 978-0-7868-3788-5|title = Peter and the Secret of Rundoon|last1 = Barry|first1 = Dave|last2 = Pearson|first2 = Ridley|date = 23 October 2007| publisher=Disney Editions }}</ref>
**'''''[[Peter and the Sword of Mercy]]''''' (2009)
**Twenty-three years since Peter and the Lost Boys returned from Rundoon.<ref>{{ISBN|1423309758}}</ref>
**'''''[[The Bridge to Never Land]]''''' (2011). Sarah and Aidan are drawn from the modern world as they follow clues left by an ancient coded document<ref>{{Cite book|isbn = 978-1423138655|title = The Bridge to Never Land|last1 = Barry|first1 = Dave|last2 = Pearson|first2 = Ridley|date = 9 August 2011| publisher=Hyperion Book CH }}</ref>
*The "[[Never Land Books]]" by Dave Barry, Ridley Pearson, Greg Call (ill.), a series of unauthorised spin-off [[chapter book]]s. Based on the continuity established by the "Starcatchers" novels, for a younger audience
**'''''Escape from the Carnivale''''' (2006)<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.newenglandbooks.org/necba_fall2006-1.html |title=NECBA Fall 2006 Reviews |access-date=9 January 2008 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20080119210042/http://www.newenglandbooks.org/necba_fall2006-1.html |archive-date=19 January 2008 |url-status=dead }}</ref><ref>[http://www.kidsreads.com/reviews/0786837896.asp Kidsreads.com], Escape from the Carnivale: A Never Land Book by Dave Barry and Ridley Pearson</ref>
**'''''Cave of the Dark Wind''''' (2007)<ref>[http://www.kidsreads.com/reviews/078683790X.asp Kidsreads.com], Cave of the dark wind : A Never Land Book by Dave Barry and Ridley Pearson</ref>
**'''''Blood Tide''''' (2008)<ref>[https://www.amazon.com/dp/0786837918 Amazon listing for ''Blood Tide'']</ref>
*'''''Capt. Hook: The Adventures of a Notorious Youth''''' by [[James V. Hart]] (co-writer of the movie ''[[Hook (movie)|Hook]]''), [[Brett Helquist]] (ill.) (2005), an authorised (non-canon) prequel illustrated novel, published by HarperCollins in the US. Details the history of 15-year-old James Matthew, young [[Eton College#Oppidans|Oppidan Scholar]] and future Captain Hook. The book portrays the villainous youth in a sympathetic light
*The [[Disney Fairies]] books by [[Gail Carson Levine]], [[David Christiana]] (ill.), a series of spin-off illustrated novels for children. Part of the [[Disney Fairies]] franchise, published by [[Disney Press]] in the US and HarperCollins in the UK. Introduces a new cast of "Never Fairies", in addition to [[Tinker Bell]]. Peter Pan and Captain Hook are mentioned but play very minor roles. Additional [[chapter book]]s in the series are intended for younger readers, and were written by various authors, focusing on the different characters invented by Levine<ref>{{cite news| url=https://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2005-08-25-disney-usat_x.htm | work=USA Today | title=Disney hopes fairies will fly | first1=Laura | last1=Petrecca | date=26 August 2005 |access-date=11 May 2010}}</ref>
**'''''Fairy Dust and the Quest for the Egg''''' (2005)
**'''''Fairy Haven and the Quest for the Wand''''' (2007)
*'''''[[Peter Pan in Scarlet]]''''' by [[Geraldine McCaughrean]] (2006), the official sequel novel, commissioned by Great Ormond Street Hospital following a competition launched in 2004. It has been sold in 40 different editions in 37 languages. The book is published by Oxford University Press in the UK and Margaret K McElderry (Simon & Schuster) in the US<ref name="ppis">{{cite book | title=Peter Pan in Scarlet | publisher=Margaret K. McElderry | last=McCraughrean | first=Geraldine | isbn=1-4169-1808-6 | year=2006 | url=https://archive.org/details/peterpaninscarle00mcca }}</ref>
*'''''Tigerheart''''' by [[Peter David]] (2008), transplanting facsimiles of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. A novel retelling the Peter Pan stories from another character's perspective, referring to him as "the boy" throughout the novel, and referencing both ''[[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]]'' and ''[[Peter and Wendy]]'', with changes to many of the original characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Tigerheart|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2678758-Tigerheart}}</ref>
*'''''[[The Child Thief]]''''' by artist [[Gerald Brom]] (2009), a [[New adult fiction|new adult]] illustrated novel reinterpreting Peter Pan based on the darker themes in the story as a ruthless figure recruiting children to serve toward his own ends
*'''''Another Pan''''' by Daniel Nayeri and Dina Nayeri (2010), a darker version featuring an 18-year-old Peter Pan searching for the magic bone dust so he will never grow old. Characters also include Wendy, John and their father George Darling<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6762468-another-pan Goodreads]{{ISBN|0763637122}}</ref>
*'''''Always Neverland''''' by Zoe Barton (2011). Ashley is to be another in a long series of "Wendy girls" Peter brings to Neverland, but she is more interested in adventuring<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10433925-always-neverland Goodreads] {{ISBN|0061963259}}</ref>
*'''''Dylan and the Dream Pirates''''' by Jason Andrew (2012). First of a postponed ''Dreamland'' serial set in contemporary times in which a bereaved Dylan must find a cure to a magical plague like curse called ''The Taint''.<ref>{{cite book |title=Dylan and the Dream Pirates |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21710819-dylan-and-the-dream-pirates}}</ref>
*'''''Tiger Lily''''' by [[Jodi Lynn Anderson]] (2013). The story of fifteen-year-old Tiger Lily who becomes enthralled and entangled in the life of Peter Pan, told from the perspective of Tinker Bell<ref>[https://www.theguardian.com/childrens-books-site/2013/sep/24/review-tiger-lily-jodi-lynn-anderson The Guardian Tiger Lily Review]. The Guardian. Retrieved April, 12th, 2021.</ref>
*'''''Alias Hook''''' by Lisa Jensen (2014). Captain Hook is caught in an endless loop of warring with Peter Pan until a woman named Stella Parrish dreams her way into Neverland and begins to change things
*'''''Hook's Revenge Series''''' by Heidi Schulz, a humorous adventure series about the 12-year-old daughter of Captain Hook on a quest to avenge her father's death<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/series/128954-hook-s-revenge Goodreads: Hook's Revenge Series]</ref>
**'''''Hook's Revenge''''' (2014)<ref>{{cite book |last=Schulz |first=Heidi |date=2014 |title=Hook's Revenge |publisher=Disney-Hyperion |isbn=978-1423198673}}</ref>
**'''''The Pirate Code''''' (2015)<ref>{{cite book |last=Schulz |first=Heidi |date=2015 |title=The Pirate Code |publisher=Disney-Hyperion |isbn=978-1484717172}}</ref>
*'''''Lost: a Never novella''''' by C. S. R. Calloway (2014) an unofficial [[Midquel|interquel]] set between [[Peter and Wendy]] and [[Hook (film)|Hook]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost: a Never novella |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25170222-lost}}</ref>
*'''''Essence of Neverland''''' by Juna Jinsei Dr (2015). First of ''Legends of the Pan'' trilogy where following Peter Pan being slain, prompts a race to find a replacement for him fast to save [[Neverland]].<ref>{{Cite web |title=Essence-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26761739-Essence-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Lost Boi''''' by [[Sassafras Lowrey]] (2015). A novel for adults retelling the story through the lens of homeless queer youth with prominent [[BDSM]] themes. Told from the point of view of Tootles, "Pan's best boi"<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/23129755 Goodreads]{{ISBN|9781551525815}}</ref>
*'''''Never Never''''' by Brianna R. Shrum (2015), an [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook and his rivalry with Peter, back when they were both [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boys]] in [[Neverland]].<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25953488-never-never Goodreads] {{ISBN|1633920399}}</ref>
*'''''All Darling Children''''' by Katrina Monroe (2016). A [[Young adult literature|young adult]] re-telling told from the perspective of Madge Darling; [[Wendy Darling]]'s teenage granddaughter.<ref>{{cite book |title=All Darling Children |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30462067-all-darling-children}}</ref>
*'''''Everland''''' by Wendy Spinale (2016) first of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Everland'' [[tetralogy]] transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the Blitz, where Gwen's sister Joanna is kidnapped by Hook and his Marauders<ref>{{Cite web |title=Everland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26085520-everland}}</ref>
*'''''The Neverland Wars''''' by Audrey Greathouse (2016). First of ''The Neverland Wars'' [[trilogy]] where an outside worldly organization goes to war with [[Neverland]]. Sixteen-year-old Gwen is caught up in a looming war in Neverland.<ref>[http://www.onemorepage.co.uk/?p=19643 The Neverland Wars Book Review]. One More Page UK. Retrieved 15 April 2021.</ref>
*'''''Unhooked''''' by Lisa Maxwell (2016), Gwendolyn's mother's fears are proven right when shadowy creatures kidnap her and her best friend Olivia to a terrifying place to Neverland, where Peter Pan and Hook compete for her trust.<ref>{{cite book |title=Unhooked |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21518344-unhooked}}</ref>
*'''''Never Ever Series''''' by Sara Saedi loosely based on Peter Pan. Wylie meets Phinn in a club and he whisks her and her brother off to a magical island where no one ages past seventeen<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/series/185402-never-ever Goodreads: Never Ever Series]</ref>
**'''''Never Ever''''' (2016)
**'''''The Lost Kids''''' (2018)
* '''''Hook' s Tale''''' (2017) by [[John Pielmeier|John Leonard Pielmeier]]. The story from Captain Hook’s perspective.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Hook's Tale |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35489918}}</ref>
*'''''[[Lost Boy (Henry novel)|Lost Boy]]''''' (2017) by [[Christina Henry]]. In Neverland, Jamie, one of Peter Pan's Lost Boys, grows disenchanted with his leader.
*'''''Peter Darling''''' by Austin Chant (2017), a romance between an adult Peter Pan (who is a [[transgender]] man born as "Wendy") and Captain Hook.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.goodreads.com/work/best_book/54098368-peter-darling|title=Peter Darling|website=goodreads.com|access-date=2019-10-05}}</ref> Winner of the 2017 Rainbow Award for best cover and best transgender science fiction/fantasy<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.elisarolle.com/rainbowawards/rainbow_awards_2017.html|title=2016 Rainbow Awards|website=elisarolle.com|access-date=2019-10-05}}</ref>
*'''''You Can Fly: A Sequel to the Peter Pan Tales''''' by Chuck Rosenthal (2017). On the eve of his thirteenth birthday, Thomas Pandora discovers the truth about his family legacy. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35220323-you-can-fly?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_55]
*'''''Forever Neverland''''' by Susan Adrian (2019). A contemporary sequel to J. M. Barrie's timeless classic featuring the great-great-grandchildren of [[Wendy Darling]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42423564-forever-neverland?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=cTBVyEY97D&rank=2]
*'''''Dead Lies Dreaming''''' by [[Charles Stross]] (2020). A [[pastiche]] of ''Peter and Wendy'', taking place in Stross' [[Laundry Files]] setting. It is first in the ''Tales of the New Management'' trilogy<ref>[https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2020/09/all-glory-to-the-new-managemen.html All Glory to the New Management!]. Charlie's Diary. Retrieved 3 December 2023</ref>
* '''''Neverland: A Fantasy Role-playing Setting''''', written and illustrated by Andrew Kolb (2020).
*'''''Straight on Till Morning''''' by [[Liz Braswell]] (2020). Four years after her original adventure, 16-year-old old Wendy joins with [[Tinker Bell]] in rescuing Peter from Hook. Part of the Twisted Tale Series from the Disney Book Group<ref>Schmidt, Jennifer. [https://insidethemagic.net/2020/02/straight-on-till-morning/ Straight on Till Morning Review]. Inside the Magic. Retrieved 15 April 2021</ref>
*'''''The Neverland Girl''''' by Dash Hoffman and illustrated by El Geron (2021). [[Reality]] and [[Fantasy]] collides when a sickly girl with a lifelong illness seems to find herself in Neverland. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58317438-the-neverland-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_3_29]
*'''''Son of Neverland''''' by [[Cal Barnes]] (2021). An epic fantasy sequel taking exactly one hundred years after Peter Pan and Hook's final battle.<ref>[https://www.sonofneverland.com/about About Son of Neverland]. Son of Neverland Official. Retrieved 27 October 2021</ref>
*'''''Wendy Darling''''' (Titan Books, 2021) [[A. C. Wise]]. Sequel novel.<ref name="gizmodo">{{cite news |last1=Eddy |first1=Cheryl |title=Peter Pan's Villain Explores Life After Neverland in New Fantasy Novel Hooked |url=https://gizmodo.com/peter-pans-villain-explores-life-after-neverland-in-new-1847931256 |work=Gizmodo |date=27 October 2021}}</ref>
*'''''Hooked''''' (Titan books, 2022) [[A. C. Wise]].<ref name="gizmodo" />
*'''''Saving Neverland''''' by Abi Elphinstone (2023). A contemporary sequel to J. M. Barrie's timeless classic featuring the newest residents to [[Bloomsbury|12 Darlington Street Road]] the old address of [[Wendy Darling]] who encounter Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60758136-saving-neverland?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=5pNfNMV7tP&rank=1]
* '''''These Deathless Shores''''' by P. H. Low (2024). An [[upcoming]] gender bending [[Pourquoi story|origin]] tale to [[Captain Hook]] featuring Malaysian-coded main characters<ref>{{Cite web |title=These-Deathless-Shores |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/201911795-These-Deathless-Shores}}</ref>

===Comics===
*Disney produced [[picture book]] and [[comic book]] adaptations of the story, based on their 1953 animated version, published by [[Dell Comics]] and [[Gold Key]]
*'''''[[Peter Pank]]''''' by Spanish cartoonist "Max" ([[:es:Max|Francesc Capdevila]]) (1985–1990), an unauthorised comic reinterpretation for "adults only". Peter is a violent, spiked-hair anarchist living in Punkland with a gang of punk Lost Boys. The pirates are a gang of rockers, the Indians are hippies, and the female characters are often depicted bare-breasted, with numerous sexual scenes. It was published in three albums: ''Peter Pank'', ''El Licantropunk'', and ''Pankdinista''
*'''''Peter Pan''''' by French cartoonist [[Régis Loisel]] (1990–2004), an unauthorised prequel [[bandes dessinées]]. A bawdy, violent series of six albums (two of which won the [[Angoulême International Comics Festival Prize Awarded by the Audience|Angoulême Audience Award]]), giving Peter Pan's back story a distinctly [[Charles Dickens|Dickensian]] flavour<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.lambiek.net/artists/l/loisel.htm|title = Régis Loisel}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Return to Never-Never Land''''' by [[Ron Fortier]] and Gary Kato (1991), an unauthorised sequel. Peter brings two modern African-American boys to Never-Never Land, published by [[Malibu Comics]] under the Adventure Comics imprint, two issues later reprinted in a single volume<ref>[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011XC094 Amazon.com: Peter Pan: Return to Never-Never Land #1 July 1991: Ron Fortier, Gary Kato: Books]</ref><ref>[http://neverpedia.info/pan/Peter_Pan:_Return_to_Never-Never_Land Neverpedia: Peter Pan, Return to Never-Never Land]</ref>
*'''''The Lost''''' by [[Marc Andreyko]], Galen Showman, and Jay Geldhof (1997), an unauthorised sequel comic book. This urban horror-themed mini-series published by [[Caliber Comics]] and [[Chaos! Comics]] continues the story in present-day New York City, with Peter revealed as a [[vampire]] boy [[prostitution|hustler]] who leads a small group of vampire boys including [[Michael Darling (Peter Pan)|Michael]], and lures another girl named Wendy to join them
*'''''Lost Boys''''' (ロストボーイズ) by Kaname Itsuki (2004), an unauthorised [[manga]] reinterpretation, in which a character based on Peter Pan brings a young man to Neverland to be his father, with [[yaoi|romantic themes]]
* Japanese [[manga]] artist, [[Mayu Sakai]], appropriated the English version of the term, ''[[puer aeternus]]'', for her series, ''[[Peter Pan Syndrome (manga)|Peter Pan Syndrome]]''<ref>{{cite journal|date=20 September 2010|journal=En.anime-wiki.org|title=Peter Pan Syndrome|url=http://en.anime-wiki.org/wiki/Peter_Pan_Syndrome|access-date=26 September 2013|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20111230213702/http://en.anime-wiki.org/wiki/Peter_Pan_Syndrome|archive-date=30 December 2011|url-status=dead}}</ref>
*'''''[[Lost Girls (graphic novel)|Lost Girls]]''''' by [[Alan Moore]] and [[Melinda Gebbie]] (July 2006), an unauthorised reinterpretation [[graphic novel]]. A controversial use of Wendy Darling alongside [[Dorothy Gale]] from ''[[The Wonderful Wizard of Oz]]'' and [[Alice (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)|Alice]] from ''[[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]'' in 1913, telling each other stories about their sexual experiences. In it, Peter is a boy that Wendy and her brothers meet in Kensington Gardens, who gives them their first sexual experiences
*'''''Peter Panzerfaus'''t'' by [[Kurtis J. Wiebe]] (2012 – 2016), a retelling of the story of Peter Pan, set in France during World War II. Peter, an American boy looking for his past in France at the outbreak of the Second World War, recruiting several orphans (The Lost Boys), saving the Darling children and coming across SS-Hauptmann/Kapitan Haken
*'''''[[Marvel Fairy Tales]]''''' by [[C. B. Cebulski]] features various [[Marvel Comics]] characters as characters from fairy tales and fables. In issue #1 of the third miniseries of the line, Peter Pan is played by [[Captain America]], with [[Scarlet Witch]] as Wendy, [[Wasp (comics)|The Wasp]] as Tinker Bell, and [[Klaw (Marvel Comics)|Klaw]] as Captain Hook
*'''''Peter Pan – The Graphic Novel''''' by [[Stevie White|Stephen White]] (2015), a retelling of the original work in graphic novel form<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://downthetubes.net/in-review-jm-barries-peter-pan-adapted-by-stref/|title = In Review: JM Barrie's Peter Pan adapted by Stref|date = 22 August 2015}}</ref>
*'''''[[Cheshire Crossing]]''''' written by Andy Weir, a comic which takes characters and locations from ''Peter Pan'' as well as from ''[[The Wonderful Wizard of Oz]]'' and ''[[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]''

===Non-fiction===
*''Fifty Years of Peter Pan'' by [[Roger Lancelyn Green]] is an account of the first 50 years in Peter Pan's stage history<ref>Lancelyn Green, Roger. ''Fifty Years of Peter Pan''. Peter Davies Publishing (1954)</ref>
*''J.M. Barrie and The Lost Boys'' by [[Andrew Birkin]] is an account of the meeting and relationship between Barrie and the [[Llewelyn Davies boys|Llewelyn Davies]] family, and how Peter Pan came to be created, based on his docudrama [[The Lost Boys (docudrama)|The Lost Boys]] broadcast in 1978<ref>Birkin, Andrew. ''J.M. Barrie and The Lost Boys''. Constable, 1979; Revised Edition: Yale University Press, 2003</ref>
*Dr. Dan Kiley popularised the [[Puer aeternus|Peter Pan syndrome]] in his 1983 book, ''The Peter Pan Syndrome: Men Who Have Never Grown Up'',<ref>Kiley, Dr. Dan (1983). ''The Peter Pan Syndrome: Men Who Have Never Grown Up''. Avon Books. {{ISBN|978-0-380-68890-6}}</ref> about individuals (usually male) with underdeveloped maturity; his next book, ''The Wendy Dilemma'' (1984), advises women romantically involved with "Peter Pans" how to improve their relationships<ref>Kiley, Dr. Dan (1984). ''The Wendy Dilemma: When Women Stop Mothering Their Men''. Arbor House Publishing. {{ISBN|9780877956259}}</ref>
*''Peter Pan on Stage and Screen, 1904–2010'' by Bruce Hanson covers the genesis of Peter Pan and its productions in the UK and US; updated edition of Hanson's work ''The Peter Pan Chronicles'', published in 1993<ref>Hanson, Bruce. ''Peter Pan on Stage and Screen, 1904–2010''. McFarland (2011)</ref>

==Radio==

*'''''Peter Pan''''', book, music, and lyrics by [[Philip Glassborow]] (1995), an authorised musical radio adaptation. Directed by [[Dirk Maggs]] for the [[BBC]], this production was nominated for a [[Writer's Guild of Great Britain]] award

==Stage==
[[File:Dare as Peter Pan.jpg|right|thumb|[[Zena Dare]] as Peter, 1907]]
[[File:Mary Martin Peter Pan.JPG|thumb|[[Mary Martin]] as Peter]]
*'''''[[Peter Pan, or The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up]]''''' (1904). Although Barrie did not intend the play as a [[pantomime]], it has many features in common with this traditional genre of British children's theatre: a boy – played by a woman – as the lead role (known as the "[[principal boy]]"), actors in animal costumes, a flamboyant villain, and fantasy themes
*'''''[[Peter Pan (1950 musical)|Peter Pan]]''''' (1950), music and lyrics by [[Leonard Bernstein]], an authorised [[Broadway theatre|Broadway]] adaptation. Intended as a musical, it was eventually staged as a "straight" dramatic version with only five songs. This version starred [[Jean Arthur]] as Peter Pan, and [[Boris Karloff]] in the dual roles of Mr. Darling and Captain Hook
*'''''[[Peter Pan (1954 musical)|Peter Pan]]''''' (1954), directed by [[Jerome Robbins]], an authorised musical stage adaptation with music by [[Mark Charlap|Mark "Moose" Charlap]] and lyrics by [[Carolyn Leigh]]. Taking the opposite path of the 1950 adaptation, it was originally to have only a few incidental songs, but evolved into a full [[Broadway musical]] with some new songs from composer [[Jule Styne]] and lyricists [[Betty Comden]] and [[Adolph Green]]. This version became widely known as a vehicle for [[Mary Martin]], who appeared in three television productions of this version and won a Best Musical Actress Tony Award for her performance as well as an Emmy when it was aired on television. [[Cyril Ritchard]] won a Tony as Captain Hook in the Broadway production opposite Martin and reprised the role in the first television production opposite her, and it is the role for which he has remained best known. Revivals featured television actress [[Sandy Duncan]] and [[gymnast]] [[Cathy Rigby]] as Peter. A 2014 TV version was broadcast by [[NBC]] as [[Peter Pan Live!]]<ref name=Hetrick>Hetrick, Adam. [https://www.playbill.com/news/article/the-verdict-read-reviews-of-peter-pan-live-on-nbc-336702 "The Verdict: Read Reviews of ''Peter Pan Live!'' on NBC"], ''Playbill'', 4 December 2014</ref>
*'''''Neverland''''' (1975), book, music, and lyrics by [[Jim Steinman]], a futuristic musical stage adaptation. Although it only existed as a brief workshop at the [[John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts|Kennedy Center]] in 1977, three of the songs would be reworked for the album ''[[Bat Out of Hell]]'', one of the best-selling recordings in history<ref>[http://www.jimsteinman.com/neverlnd.htm Jimsteinman.com]</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (1982), an adaptation by [[John Caird (director)|John Caird]] and [[Trevor Nunn]], first staged on 10 December 1982 at the Barbican Theatre, London
*'''''Peter Pan: The British Musical''''' (1985), book, music and lyrics by Piers Chater Robinson, an authorised musical stage adaptation<ref>[http://www.peterpanthemusical.com/ Peterpanthemusical.com]</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (1996), book, music, and lyrics by [[Philip Glassborow]], an authorised musical stage adaptation based on Glassborow's radio musical
*'''''[[Peter Pan: A Musical Adventure]]''''' (1996), lyrics by [[Anthony Drewe]] and music by [[George Stiles (composer)|George Stiles]], an authorised musical stage adaptation, first staged in [[Copenhagen]]. Performed and recorded at the [[Royal Albert Hall]], and broadcast on New Year's Eve 2001 by the [[BBC]]<ref>[http://www.stilesanddrewe.co.uk/peter_pan/ Peter Pan – Stiles and Drewe Musical] {{webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20080703212402/http://www.stilesanddrewe.co.uk/peter_pan/ |date=3 July 2008 }}</ref>
*'''''Peter and Wendy''''' (1997) adaptation and lyrics by Liza Lorwin and music by Scottish fiddler, Johnny Cunningham (of Silly Wizard fame). This is a stage production using Bunraku-style puppets performed by avant-garde theatre troupe, Mabou Mines, and actress Karen Kandel, who won an OBIE for her performance.<ref>[http://dctheatrescene.com/2007/05/06/peter-wendy/ DCtheatrescene.com]</ref> Mabou Mimes recently revived the original production at the Edinburgh Festival (2009)<ref>{{cite news| url=https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2009/sep/04/peter-and-wendy-review | location=London | work=The Guardian | first=Mark | last=Fisher | title=Peter and Wendy – Theatre review | date=4 September 2009}}</ref> and in New York at the New Victory Theater (2011)<ref>{{cite news| url=http://theater.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/theater/reviews/peter-and-wendy-at-new-victory-theater-review.html | work=The New York Times | first=Claudia | last=La Rocco | title='Peter and Wendy' at New Victory Theater – Review | date=10 May 2011}}</ref>
*'''''The Terrible Tragedy of Peter Pan''''' (2002) by Phillip C. Klapperich, an ensemble member of [[The House Theatre of Chicago]]. This production brings to the fore the darker subtexts of the story, such as the dysfunction of Peter's relationships with Wendy, Tinker Bell, and Tiger Lily, his fear of growing up, and his self-absorption, as he fails to notice those around him being hurt or killed<ref>[http://www.chicagotheater.com/revPePan.html Lucia Mauro's Chicago Theater review of The Terrible Tragedy of Peter Pan] {{webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110708143837/http://www.chicagotheater.com/revPePan.html |date=8 July 2011 }}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2004) by the [[Chickenshed Theatre Company]] was a musical stage version of ''Peter Pan'', and was performed to mark the 100th Anniversary of the play. This is also the only performance to date with sign language fully integrated
*[[Peter Pan (Three Sixty Entertainment)|'''''Peter Pan''''' (2009)]], originally titled "Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens" a large scale production for which a specially built theatre pavilion with 360 degree surround video was created; script by Tanya Ronder, music by Benjamin Wallfisch, first staged at [[Kensington Gardens]] in Summer 2009. The production opened in the US in May 2010 and has since toured in San Francisco, Orange County, Atlanta, Chicago and Boston
*'''''Peter Pan (A Play)''''' (2009), adapted by Amanda Dehnert, first staged at [[Northwestern University]], later mounted professionally at Chicago's [[Lookingglass Theatre Company]] in 2010
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2009), music by Dan Chambers and lyrics by Dan Chambers and Polly Gibson, book by Polly Gibson, an authorised musical stage adaptation, first staged by the Sinodun Players at the Corn Exchange, Wallingford in July 2009
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2010), stage adaptation by [[David Greig (dramatist)|David Greig]], first staged by the [[National Theatre of Scotland]] at the King's Theatre, Glasgow in April 2010.<ref>{{cite news| url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/theatre/theatre-reviews/7725611/Peter-Pan-at-the-Barbican-review.html | work=The Daily Telegraph|location=London | title=Peter Pan at the Barbican, review | first=Charles | last=Spencer | date=14 May 2010}}</ref> The action is transposed from Edwardian London to Victorian Edinburgh, and set against a background of construction of the Forth Rail Bridge
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2010), ballet with score by [[Philip Norman (composer)|Philip Norman]] and choreography by [[Russell Kerr (choreographer)|Russell Kerr]], first staged by the [[Royal New Zealand Ballet]] in 2010.
*'''''Peter Pan, the Boy who Hated Mothers''''' (2010), adapted by Andrew Birkin from J.M. Barrie's original various drafts of the play, novel and screenplay, first staged at the Theatre du Gymnase in Marseille in February 2010 (translated into French by Céline-Albin Faivre), broadcast on Arte TV Channel Christmas 2010<ref>[http://www.lamarseillaise.fr/th-tre-humour/jeu-d-enfant.html Lamarseillaise.fr] {{webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110721002954/http://www.lamarseillaise.fr/th-tre-humour/jeu-d-enfant.html |date=21 July 2011 }}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2012), stage adaptation directed by [[Sally Cookson]] and devised by the companies, originally produced by [[Bristol Old Vic]] for Christmas 2012 before being produced by the [[Royal National Theatre|National Theatre, London]] (in a co-production with Bristol Old Vic) for Christmas 2016 and the Troubadour White City Theatre for summer 2019
*'''''Disney's Peter Pan Jr''''' is a one-hour children's musical based on the Disney Peter Pan movie with some updated material. It became available for school and children's theatre productions in 2013 after several pilot productions<ref>[http://www.mtishows.com/disneys-peter-pan-jr Disney's Peter Pan JR.] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170626181854/http://www.mtishows.com/disneys-peter-pan-jr |date=26 June 2017 }}, Music Theatre International (MTI), accessed 26 June 2017</ref>
*'''''[[Wendy & Peter Pan|Wendy and Peter Pan]]''''' (2013), a new adaptation by Ella Hickson at the [[Royal Shakespeare Company]] in England, placing Wendy as the protagonist<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.rsc.org.uk/whats-on/wendy-and-peter-pan/ |title=Wendy and Peter Pan | RSC |access-date=10 May 2013 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130512103242/http://www.rsc.org.uk/whats-on/wendy-and-peter-pan/ |archive-date=12 May 2013 |url-status=dead }}</ref>
* '''''[[Peter Pan Goes Wrong]]''''' (2013), is a comedy by [[Henry Lewis (Mischief Theatre)|Henry Lewis]], [[Jonathan Sayer]] and [[Henry Shields]] of the [[Mischief Theatre|Mischief Theatre Company]] in which the characters and members of the fictitious Cornley Polytechnic Drama Society attempt to present their production of ''Peter Pan''
* '''''Fly''''' (2013), a darker take on Peter Pan with a focus on leaving childhood behind and the importance of growing up, by [[Jeffrey Seller]] debuted through the [[Dallas Theater Center]].<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.dallastheatercenter.org/show_details.php?sid=58|title=FLY {{!}} DALLAS THEATER CENTER|website=dallastheatercenter.org|access-date=2017-06-21}}</ref> The book is by [[Rajiv Joseph]], who worked on the lyrics with [[Kirsten Childs]], and the music is by Bill Sherman<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.theaterjones.com/ntx/reviews/20130714113055/2013-07-14/Dallas-Theater-Center/Fly|title=Review: Fly {{!}} Dallas Theater Center|last=Isaacs|first=Gregory Sullivan|date=2013-07-14|work=TheaterJones.com|access-date=2017-06-21}}</ref>
* '''''Peter Pan Opera''''' (2014), by composer [[Richard Ayres]] and librettist Lavinia Greenlaw, first staged in Stuttgart in 2014 and performed in the UK in 2015 by the [[Welsh National Opera]]<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/may/17/peter-pan-welsh-national-opera-cardiff-review|title = Peter Pan review – too many loose ends, too many shortcuts. This doesn't fly|website = [[The Guardian]]|date = 17 May 2015}}</ref>
* '''''Peter Pan''''' (2015), an adaptation presented at [[Regent's Park Open Air Theatre]]. Co-directed by [[Timothy Sheader]] and Liam Steel, the production was set in World War I. The production earned an [[Olivier Award]] nomination and returned to the Open Air Theatre for its 2018 Season<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/what-to-see/peter-pan-review-open-air-theatre-regents-park-return-production/|title = Peter Pan review, Open Air Theatre, Regent's Park: Return of a production that really soars|newspaper = The Telegraph|date = 25 May 2018|last1 = Cavendish|first1 = Dominic}}</ref>
* '''''For Peter Pan on Her 70th Birthday''''' (2017), an adaptation by [[Sarah Ruhl]], in which the title character and her siblings, all elderly retirees, become the characters of the original play. Beginning 18 August 2017 in New York City, it ran at Playwrights Horizons
* '''''Peter Pan and Wendy''''' (2019), a feminist version of the story with Wendy in an equal role. It was commissioned from [[Lauren Gunderson]] by the [[Shakespeare Theatre Company|Shakespeare Theatre Company of Washington, D.C.]] Critics described it as "all about girl power."<ref>{{cite news |last1=Marks |first1=Peter |title=This charming new version of J.M. Barrie's timeless play is all about girl power |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/theater_dance/this-charming-new-version-of-jm-barries-timeless-play-is-all-about-girl-power/2019/12/11/4c961da4-1b90-11ea-87f7-f2e91143c60d_story.html |access-date=30 December 2019}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: reimagined''''' (2019), an adaptation conceived and directed by Liam Steel, adapted by Georgia Christou and Liam Steel for the [[Birmingham Repertory Theatre]] which changes Edwardian London to present-day [[Birmingham]]
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2023), an adaptation by [[Roddy Doyle]] set in early 20th century Dublin and directed by Ned Bennett for the [[Gate Theatre]], Dublin.<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.gatetheatre.ie/production/peter-pan/ | title=Peter Pan }}</ref> In a gender reversal of tradition, the actor who plays plays Mary Darling, [[Clare Dunne (Irish actress)|Clare Dunne]], also plays Captain Hook.

==Film==
===Live-action===
[[File:Peter Pan 1924 movie.jpg|thumb|Peter Pan 1924 movie poster]]
* '''[[Peter Pan (1924 film)|''Peter Pan'']]''' by [[Paramount Pictures]] (1924), an authorised [[silent movie]] adaptation. It starred [[Betty Bronson]] as [[Peter Pan]], [[Ernest Torrence]] as [[Captain Hook]], [[Mary Brian]] as [[Wendy Darling]], and [[Virginia Brown Faire]] as [[Tinker Bell]]. Barrie was involved in this production and wrote a [[screenplay]] for it, but Paramount instead used the original stage script, taking dialogue from it for the [[intertitle]]s<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0015224/ Peter Pan (1924)]</ref>
* '''''Peter Pan''''' (Питер Пэн) (1987), an unauthorised live-action musical adaptation by [[Belarusfilm]] for [[Soviet Central Television|Soviet television]]
* '''[[Hook (film)|''Hook'']]''' by [[Steven Spielberg]] (1991), an authorised live-action sequel. A family action/adventure film starring [[Robin Williams]], [[Dustin Hoffman]], [[Julia Roberts]], [[Bob Hoskins]] and [[Maggie Smith]]. This film deviates in a significant way from Barrie's source material in that it tells the story of a Peter Pan who chose to grow up and not return to Neverland to become a father having fallen in love (during a visit to Wendy's House in London) with Wendy's granddaughter Moira who later became his wife. Pan took on a new life and became Peter Banning, an unimaginative and work-obsessed lawyer who has a strained relationship with his family including his two children, Maggie and Jack. Peter is lured back to Neverland by his old enemy Captain Hook who has kidnapped both Maggie and Jack in an attempt to rediscover meaning in his life and force Peter to give him the war he has long craved for, whilst also attempting to turn Peters' own children against their father in the process. Despite mixed reviews by critics, the film was popular with audiences and grossed nearly $120 million in the U.S., making it the 4th highest-grossing movie of 1991<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102057/ Hook (1991)]</ref>
* '''[[Peter Pan (2003 film)|''Peter Pan'']]''' directed by [[P. J. Hogan]] (2003), an authorised live-action movie adaptation. This version is notable for its directness in addressing the romantic elements between Peter ([[Jeremy Sumpter]]) and Wendy ([[Rachel Hurd-Wood]]). Captain Hook was portrayed by [[Jason Isaacs]] (who also plays the role of Mr Darling), and Tinker Bell was played by [[Ludivine Sagnier]]. The $100 million film boasted state-of-the-art special effects by [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM]] and took nearly a year to produce in Australia, but was not a financial success for [[Universal Studios]] (USA/France/English countries) and [[Columbia Pictures]]<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316396/ Peter Pan (2003)]</ref>
* '''[[Neverland (film)|''Neverland'']]''' by writer/director [[Damion Dietz]] (2003), an unauthorised film reinterpretation. Set in early 21st-century Los Angeles and heavily "updated" for this setting, Dietz's independently produced film—featuring [[Wil Wheaton]] as John Darling—maintains much of the characterisation, plot and themes of Barrie's original story
* '''[[Pan (2015 film)|''Pan'']]''' (2015), an origin story directed by [[Joe Wright]] starring [[Levi Miller]] as Pan, [[Garrett Hedlund]] as Hook, [[Hugh Jackman]] as Blackbeard, [[Rooney Mara]] as Tiger Lily, [[Adeel Akhtar]] as Smee, [[Nonso Anozie]] as Bishop and [[Amanda Seyfried]] as Mary<ref>{{cite web|title=Levi Miller Tapped to Play Peter Pan in Warner Bros.' 'Pan' (EXCLUSIVE)|date=18 March 2014|url=https://variety.com/2014/film/news/levi-miller-tapped-to-play-peter-pan-in-warner-bros-pan-exclusive-1201136941/|work=Variety|access-date = 2014-03-18}}</ref>
* '''[[Wendy (film)|''Wendy'']]''' (2020), a live-action reimagining from Wendy's perspective, directed by [[Benh Zeitlin]] featuring Devin France as the titled character, with Yashua Mack as Peter, Krzysztof Meyn as Thomas and Gage and Gavin Naquin as Douglas and James Darling.
* '''''[[Come Away]]''''' (2020), a film that portrays Peter Pan as the brother of [[Alice (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)|Alice]] from [[Lewis Carroll]]'s story of ''[[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]'' portrayed by Keira Chansa. The cast includes Jordan Nash as Peter, as well as [[Angelina Jolie]], [[David Oyelowo]], with [[David Gyasi]] as [[Captain Hook]] and [[Gugu Mbatha-Raw]] as Alice Darling
* '''''[[Peter Pan & Wendy]]''''' (2023), a live-action adaptation of the 1953 Disney movie directed by [[David Lowery (director)|David Lowery]] and written by him and Toby Halbrooks; starring [[Alexander Molony]] and [[Ever Anderson]] as the title characters Peter Pan and Wendy Darling, [[Jude Law]] as Captain Hook, [[Yara Shahidi]] as Tinker Bell and Alyssa Wapanatahk as Tiger Lily<ref>{{cite web|url=https://deadline.com/2016/04/peter-pan-live-action-disney-film-david-lowery-petes-dragon-1201736940/|title=Disney Sets 'Pete's Dragon' Helmer David Lowery For New Live Action Peter Pan Film|publisher=Deadline Hollywood|last=Fleming|first=Mike Jr.|date=13 April 2016}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|last=Kroll|first=Justin|url=https://variety.com/2020/film/news/disney-live-action-peter-pan-peter-wendy-1203529492/|title=Disney's Live-Action 'Peter Pan' Movie Finds Its Wendy and Peter (EXCLUSIVE)|work=Variety|date=10 March 2020|access-date=10 March 2020}}</ref><ref name="Yuma">{{cite web |date=9 September 2022 |last1=Yuma |first1=Jennifer |title='Peter Pan & Wendy' Footage Debuts at D23: 'Wendy and Peter Are Equals' |url=https://variety.com/2022/film/news/peter-pan-wendy-disney-d23-1235109776/ |website=Variety |quote=Jim Whitaker and Joe Roth serve as producers.}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|last=Kroll|first=Justin|url=https://variety.com/2020/film/uncategorized/jude-law-captain-hook-peter-pan-live-action-disney-1234629518/|title=Jude Law to Play Captain Hook in Disney's Live-Action 'Peter Pan' (EXCLUSIVE)|work=Variety|date=7 July 2020|access-date=7 July 2020}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|last=Kroll|first=Justin|url=https://deadline.com/2020/09/yara-shahidi-tinkerbell-peter-pan-and-wendy-movie-casting-1203011493/|title='Grown-ish' Star Yara Shahidi To Play Tinker Bell in Disney's Live-Action 'Peter Pan' Pic|publisher=Deadline Hollywood|date=25 September 2020|access-date=25 September 2020}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|last=McLaughlin|first=Sean|url=https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/10/16/peter-pan-tiger-lily-exclusive/|title=Disney's Peter Pan and Wendy Has Found Its Tiger Lily in Alyssa Alook: Exclusive|work=The Illuminerdi|date=16 October 2020|access-date=18 October 2020}}</ref>
* '''''[[Peter Pan's Neverland Nightmare]]''''' (2025), a horror reimagining of the story that will be directed by [[Scott Chambers|Scott Jeffrey]] and produced by [[Rhys Frake-Waterfield]], who helmed ''[[Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey]]'' and will be set in the same universe, featuring Peter DeSouza-Feighoney as Michael Darling.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/winnie-the-pooh-blood-and-honey-cinema-release-1235251962/ |title=Viral Low-Budget Horror 'Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey' Getting Theatrical Release in U.S., U.K., Canada, Mexico (Exclusive) |website=[[The Hollywood Reporter]] |last=Ritman |first=Alex |date=1 November 2022 |access-date=1 November 2022}}</ref>

===Animation===
* [[Walt Disney]]'s '''''[[Peter Pan (1953 film)|Peter Pan]]''''' (1953), an authorised [[animation|animated]] adaptation. [[The Walt Disney Company|Disney]] licensed the film rights to the story in 1939 from [[Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children]]. It featured music by [[Sammy Cahn]], Frank Churchill, [[Sammy Fain]], and Ted Sears. 15-year-old film actor [[Bobby Driscoll]] supplied the voice of Peter, while Wendy was portrayed by [[Kathryn Beaumont]], who previously portrayed [[Alice (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)|Alice]] in ''[[Alice in Wonderland (1951 film)|Alice in Wonderland]]''. Hook was portrayed by [[Hans Conried]] (who also played Mr. Darling), and [[Margaret Kerry]] did live-action references for Tinker Bell. This version contained little of the original dialogue from the play or its novelisation<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046183/ Peter Pan (1953)]</ref>
* '''[[Peter Pan (1988 film)|''Peter Pan'']]''' (1988), an unauthorised Australian direct-to-video animated adaptation
* '''''[[Return to Never Land]]''''' from [[Walt Disney Pictures|Disney]] (2002), an authorised animated sequel to the 1953 Disney film. Wendy's daughter Jane becomes involved with Peter Pan. The movie takes place during [[World War II]], set amidst [[the Blitz]] (1940), and deals with the issue of children being forced to grow up too fast<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280030/ Return to Never Land (2002)]</ref>
* In ''[[Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (film)|Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers]]'' (2022), [[Will Arnett]] voiced a version of Peter Pan called Sweet Pete, the "actor" who played the character in the 1953 film, who became a crime boss after being fired by Disney due to his age. He goes after [[Chip and Dale]] for discovering his plans, serving as the main antagonist of this film.

==Television==

===Live-action===
*''[[Producers' Showcase]]: Peter Pan'' (7 March 1955). The 1954 stage version was re-staged for television by NBC as part of its monthly high-quality [[anthology series]] ''Producers' Showcase'' and broadcast as a historic, live [[color television]] event. The production was so well received that ''Producers' Showcase'' produced a second live presentation on 9 January 1956, with the same cast. [[Mary Martin]] played TV's Peter Pan for the third time on 8 December 1960 with many of the same cast members, and this version of the 1954 musical was recorded on color [[videotape]], and repeated in 1963, 1966, and 1973. It was presented by NBC as a stand-alone special program rather than as part of ''Producer's Showcase''. After 1973, it was presumed lost and not broadcast again until March 1989, after which it eventually appeared a few times on the [[Disney Channel]]. It was also released on videocassette and briefly on DVD. In 2000, the Cathy Rigby stage production, featuring almost all of the songs used in the 1954 version, was telecast by the [[A&E Network]] and issued on DVD<ref name=autogenerated1>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054176/ Peter Pan (1960) (TV)]</ref>
*''[[Hallmark Hall of Fame]]'': ''[[Peter Pan (1976 musical)|Peter Pan]]'' (12 December 1976). A new TV musical production was broadcast on [[NBC]]. It starred [[Mia Farrow]] as Peter and [[Danny Kaye]] as Captain Hook. It had a new score, with music and lyrics by [[Anthony Newley]] and [[Leslie Bricusse]], but did not achieve the success or the popularity that the Mary Martin version had. The screenplay was by [[Andrew Birkin]], who went on to write and direct ''[[The Lost Boys (docudrama)|The Lost Boys]]'', a [[docudrama]] for the [[BBC]] about Barrie and the [[Llewelyn Davies boys]]<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073533/ Peter Pan (1976) (TV)]</ref>
*''[[Neverland (miniseries)|Neverland]]'' on [[Syfy]] Channel and [[Sky Movies]] (December 2011), a two-part miniseries that re-imagines the origins of Peter Pan prior to his adventures with Wendy. Here, he (and his friends who would become the [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boys]]) is depicted as being an [[orphan]]ed [[pickpocket]] who was taken in by expert thief and former arms dealer [[Captain Hook|James "Jimmy" Hook]] as an infant. Directed by [[Nick Willing]], the cast includes [[Charlie Rowe]] as [[Peter Pan]], [[Rhys Ifans]] as [[Captain Hook|James Hook]], [[Bob Hoskins]] as [[Mr. Smee#Hook|Smee]], [[Anna Friel]] as Captain Elizabeth Bonny, [[Charles Dance]] as Dr. Richard Fludd, [[Lorn Macdonald]] as Fox and [[Keira Knightley]] as the voice of [[Tinker Bell]]<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1720619/ Neverland (2011) (TV)]</ref>
*''The New Adventures of Peter and Wendy'' (2013 – present), webseries that features Wendy as the main character through a series of vlogs and other media
*''[[Peter Pan Live!]]'' is a new production of the 1954 version broadcast live on NBC on 4 December 2014 starring [[Allison Williams (actress)|Allison Williams]] as Peter, [[Christopher Walken]] as Captain Hook, [[Kelli O'Hara]] as Mrs. Darling, [[Christian Borle]] as Mr. Darling/Mr. Smee and [[Minnie Driver]] as the adult Wendy. Critical reaction was mixed, with many critics expressing relief that the broadcast was not a disaster<ref name=Hetrick/>
*''[[Peter and Wendy (film)|Peter and Wendy]]'' (2015), a two-hour drama based on J M Barrie's novel first aired on [[ITV (TV network)|ITV]] on 26 December 2015, produced by Headline Pictures, set in [[Great Ormond Street Hospital]] in which a child patient slips into a fantasy world resembling Neverland during an operation. With [[Stanley Tucci]] as Captain Hook, [[Paloma Faith]] as Tinker Bell, [[Laura Fraser]] as Mrs Darling, [[Woody Norman]] as Curly, [[Hazel Doupe]] as Wendy and [[Zac Sutcliffe]] as Peter<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/may/14/paloma-faith-stanley-tucci-itv-peter-pan-peter-wendy|title = Paloma Faith and Stanley Tucci to star in ITV's Peter Pan drama|website = [[The Guardian]]|date = 14 May 2015}}</ref>
*''[[Peter Pan Goes Wrong]]'' (2016), a one-hour television adaptation of [[Mischief Theatre]]'s play of the same name in which the fictitious Cornley Polytechnic Drama Society attempt to stage a production of ''Peter Pan'', starring the original cast and guest appearance from [[David Suchet]] as the narrator
*''[[Once Upon a Time (TV series)|Once Upon a Time]]'' is an [[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]] television series that involves characters from familiar works of fiction, including ''Peter Pan''. [[Colin O'Donoghue]] was a series regular in the role of Hook, who originated as Killian Jones. [[Freya Tingley]] first played Wendy in the 21st episode of the second season and continued playing the role in a few episodes towards the end of Season 3A. [[Robbie Kay]] played the main villain role during Season 3A as Peter Pan, portrayed in the series as the father of [[Rumpelstiltskin]], and reprised his role in a couple episodes during Season 5B and the second-to-last episode of the overall show. [[Rose McIver]] played Tinker Bell during the majority of Season 3A, then one episode during Season 3B and one during Season 6.

===Animation===

*''[[Peter Pan: The Animated Series]]'' (romanised as "Pîtâ Pan no Bôken") by [[Nippon Animation]] (1989), an [[anime]] television series. Produced as part of Nippon's ''[[World Masterpiece Theater]]'' series, the first 23 episodes are a loose adaptation of Barrie's story, while the latter half introduces a completely original arc with new supporting characters<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168361/ "Pîtâ Pan no bôken" (1989)]</ref>
*''[[Fox's Peter Pan & the Pirates]]'' on [[Fox Kids]] (1990), an animated TV series based on Barrie's novel, presenting the Darling children's other adventures in the Neverland during their stay. The series also focuses on significant development of the pirates as less one-dimensional characters. Voice talents in the cast included [[Jason Marsden]] as Peter and [[Tim Curry]] as "Captain James T. Hook"; Curry won an Emmy for it<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098892/ "Peter Pan and the Pirates" (1990-1991)]</ref>
*A series of digitally animated [[direct-to-DVD]] films starring Tinker Bell was begun by Disney in 2008. These works are part of the company's [[Disney Fairies]] franchise, and feature a cast of fairy characters and settings original to Disney.
**''[[Tinker Bell (film)|Tinker Bell]]'' (2008)
**''[[Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure]]'' (2009)
**''[[Tinker Bell and the Great Fairy Rescue]]'' (2010)
**''[[Pixie Hollow Games]]'' (TV special, 2011)
**''[[Secret of the Wings]]'' (2012)
**''[[The Pirate Fairy]]'' (2014)
**''[[Tinker Bell and the Legend of the NeverBeast]]'' (2015)
*''[[Jake and the Never Land Pirates]]'' (2011–2016), an [[Annie Award]]-winning [[musical theatre|musical]] [[interactive]] [[animated]] [[Disney Junior]] show based on the successful [[Peter Pan (franchise)|Disney franchise]], ''Peter Pan''. The series focuses on a band of young pirates consisting of Jake, Izzy, Cubby, and their parrot Skully, who continuously spend their days competing against [[Captain Hook (Disney)|Captain Hook]] and [[Mr. Smee (Disney)|Mr. Smee]] for treasure.
*''The New Adventures of Peter Pan'' (2012–2016) is a series of [[CGI animation]] French-German-Indian produced by the DQ Entertainment and [[Method Animation]].

==Video games==
*'''''[[Peter Pan (video game)|Peter Pan]]''''', a 1984 video game published by Hodder & Stoughton
*'''''[[Peter Pan and the Pirates (video game)|Peter Pan and the Pirates]]''''', a 1991 [[side-scrolling game]] for the [[Nintendo Entertainment System]], based on the TV series
*'''''[[Hook (video game)|Hook]]''''', a set of four 1992 games based on the film. One was an [[Arcade game|arcade]] fight game, two were [[side-scrolling game]]s for [[Nintendo]] and [[Sega]] consoles, and the fourth was an [[adventure game]] for home computers
*'''''Peter Pan: Return to Neverland''''', two 2002 games based on Disney's film, one for the [[Game Boy Advance]], the other for [[PlayStation]]
*'''''[[Kingdom Hearts]]''''', a franchise between Square-Enix and Disney on various game systems that features Neverland as a playable world inhabited with various characters from the Peter Pan books and films including Peter Pan, Wendy, Tinker Bell, Captain Hook, and Mr. Smee
*Disney has released two video games as part of the [[Disney Fairies]] franchise, for the [[Nintendo DS]], each a tie-in with a direct-to-DVD feature film of the same name:
**'''''Tinker Bell''''' (2008)
**'''''Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure''''' (2009)
**'''''Tinker Bell and the Great Fairy Rescue''''' (2010)
*'''''[[Disney Infinity 2.0]]''''', Tinker Bell is a playable character in the game's Toy Box mode. She has been given powers to fly, and use her fairy dust to defeat enemies
*'''''[[Disney Magic Kingdoms]]''''', includes as playable characters some of the characters from the 1953 animated film in new storylines placed after the events of the film

==Biographical dramas==

*'''''[[The Lost Boys (docudrama)|The Lost Boys]]''''', a 1978 [[docudrama]] produced by the BBC, written by [[Andrew Birkin]], starring [[Ian Holm]], tells about the relationship between Barrie and the [[Llewelyn Davies boys]] and the development of Peter Pan
*'''''[[Finding Neverland (film)|Finding Neverland]]''''', a 2004 film starring [[Johnny Depp]] as Barrie and [[Kate Winslet]] as [[Sylvia Llewelyn Davies]] is a fictionalised account of their relationship and how it led to the creation of Peter Pan. It was based on the 1998 play ''The Man Who Was Peter Pan'' by [[Allan Knee]]. In 2015, it was adapted into a [[Finding Neverland (musical)|musical]] on Broadway, playing at the Lunt-Fontanne Theatre

==References in other works==

* In 1980, [[Petula Clark]] starred in '''''[[Never, Never Land (1980 film)|Never, Never Land]]''''' as a woman whose niece, captivated by Barrie's tale, runs away with her younger cousin and takes refuge with a group of "lost boys" squatting in a deserted London townhouse
*In the 1986 Spanish film '''''El río de oro''''' (''The Golden River'') by [[Jaime Chávarri]], the central character is a man named Peter whose wife Dubarry played the role of [[Tinker Bell]] in a theater play some years ago. They had a son, but Peter killed the baby when he was only 3 months old because he thought the boy was growing up too fast
* The plot of the 1990 novel '''''[[An Awfully Big Adventure (novel)|An Awfully Big Adventure]]''''' by Beryl Bainbridge (made into a [[An Awfully Big Adventure|film]] in 1995) revolves around a production of the play
* The 2002 novel '''''The League of Heroes''''' by [[Xavier Mauméjean]] is set in an [[Parallel universe (fiction)|alternate universe]] in which Neverland has materialized in Kensington Gardens. The [[fairy]] folk are commonplace in London, as are pirates and Indians. Peter Pan is considered one of several enemies of the repressive government and is pursued by the League whose members include Lord Admiral Hook ([[Captain Hook]]), [[Sherlock Holmes]], and Lord Greystoke ([[Tarzan]])
* In a [[Wizards of Waverly Place (season 2)|season 2]] episode of the [[Disney Channel]] sitcom '''''[[Wizards of Waverly Place]]''''' called "Fairy Tale", [[Justin Russo (Wizards of Waverly Place)|Justin Russo]] directs a school play of Peter Pan, with [[Zeke Beakerman]] cast as Peter Pan and [[Harper Finkle]] cast as Tinker Bell (she's later replaced by [[Alex Russo]] after falling off the stage)
* Singer/songwriter [[S. J. Tucker]] has released three songs called '''[[The Wendy Trilogy]]''', chronicling how Wendy joined Captain Hook's crew, dueled him for command, gained great fame in Neverland and beyond, and eventually returned home, passing her legacy on
* The song '''"[[Fly (Blind Guardian song)|Fly]]"''' by [[Blind Guardian]] is about Peter Pan
* In the seventh episode on season 10 of '''''[[Grey's Anatomy]]''''', [[Jo Karev|Jo Wilson]] ([[Camilla Luddington]]) dresses as [[Tinker Bell]] for [[Halloween]] and shows up at her boyfriend [[Alex Karev]]'s ([[Justin Chambers]]) house, after a fight they had resulting from his estranged father's appearance, showing her loyalty to the boy who didn't grow up
*The song '''"[[Lost Boy (Ruth B song)|Lost Boy]]"''' by [[Ruth B]] is about Neverland
* The cartoon series '''''[[World of Winx]]''''' features Peter Pan and Neverland characters Smee, Jim (Captain Hook), Crocodile Man (Crocodile), Queen (Tinker Bell), Wendy Darling. Peter Pan has a son named Matt Barrie
*The film '''''[[Viy 2: Journey to China]]''''' features a character named James Hook (played by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) whose outfit and personality appear to be inspired by Hook
* In the film '''''[[Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (film)|Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers]]''''' (2022), [[Will Arnett]] plays Sweet Pete, a middle-aged version of Peter Pan who became a crime boss<ref>{{cite web | url=https://whatsondisneyplus.com/chip-n-dale-rescue-rangers-disney-original-teaser-trailer-released/ | title="Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers" Disney+ Original Teaser Trailer Released }}</ref>

==References==
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Wendy (film)

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{{Short description|2020 film by Benh Zeitlin}}

{{Use mdy dates|date=May 2023}}{{Infobox film
| name = Wendy
| image = File:Wendy poster.jpg
| caption = Theatrical release poster
| director = [[Benh Zeitlin]]
| producer = {{Plainlist|
* Becky Glupczynski
* Dan Janvey
* [[Paul Mezey]]
* Josh Penn
}}
| screenplay = {{plainlist|
* Benh Zeitlin
* Eliza Zeitlin
}}
| based_on = ''[[Peter and Wendy (novel)|Peter Pan]]'' by [[J. M. Barrie]]
| starring = {{Plainlist|
* Devin France
* Yashua Mack
* Gage Naquin
* Gavin Naquin
* Ahmad Cage
* Krzysztof Meyn
* Romyri Ross
}}
| music = [[Dan Romer]] Benh Zeitlin
| cinematography = [[Sturla Brandth Grøvlen]]
| editing = Scott Cummings [[Affonso Gonçalves]]
| production_companies = {{Plainlist|
* [[Searchlight Pictures]]
* [[TSG Entertainment]]
* Department of Motion Pictures
* Journeyman Pictures
}}
| distributor = Searchlight Pictures
| released = {{Film date|2020|1|26|[[Sundance Film Festival|Sundance]]|2020|2|28|United States}}
| runtime = 112 minutes<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.sundance.org/projects/wendy|title=Wendy|website=[[Sundance Film Festival]]|access-date=January 22, 2020|archive-date=April 8, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200408125747/https://www.sundance.org/projects/wendy|url-status=dead}}</ref>
| country = United States
| language = English
| budget = $6 million<ref>{{cite web|url=https://slate.com/culture/2020/02/wendy-movie-benh-zeitlin-beasts-southern-wild.html|title=Wendy Makes the Case for Studio Meddling|website=[[Slate (magazine)|Slate]]|first=Dan|last=Kois|date=February 24, 2020|access-date=February 29, 2020}}</ref>
| gross = $266,770<ref name=NUM>{{cite web |url= https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Wendy-(2020)#tab=summary |title=Wendy (2020)|website= [[The Numbers (website)|The Numbers]] |access-date= March 20, 2020 }}</ref><ref name=BOM>{{cite web |url= https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2830729729/?ref_=bo_da_table_28 |title=Wendy (2020)|website= [[Box Office Mojo]] |access-date= March 20, 2020 }}</ref>
}}
'''''Wendy''''' is a 2020 American [[fantasy drama]] film directed by [[Benh Zeitlin]], from a screenplay by Zeitlin and his sister Eliza Zeitlin. The film stars Devin France, Yashua Mack, Gage Naquin, Gavin Naquin, Ahmad Cage, Krzysztof Meyn, and Romyri Ross. It is intended to be a re-imagining of [[J. M. Barrie]]'s ''[[Peter and Wendy (novel)|Peter Pan]]''.

''Wendy'' had its world premiere at the [[Sundance Film Festival]] on January 26, 2020 and was released on February 28, 2020 by [[Searchlight Pictures]].

== Plot ==

Wendy Darling lives in the [[Southern United States|rural South]] with her [[waitress]] mother Angela and twin brothers James and Douglas. Back when James and Douglas (Logan Jones and Luke Jones) were celebrating their seventh birthdays, their next-door neighbor and cousin Thomas Marshall storms outside (on discovering what his future will be) and disappears, with Wendy seeing him being lured into climbing aboard a passing train car by a hooded childlike figure. One night, when the children request a bedtime story, Angela tells them about her life and how she was forced to give up on her dreams in order to raise a family. Wendy wonders whether the same thing will happen to her.

The next night, as the train passes by their bedroom window, Wendy notices a boy riding on top of the train cars. The three children climb out of their window and join the boy, Peter, who takes them all to a tropical island with an active [[volcano]], which Peter calls "Mother". The island is populated by other children, including their long-lost cousin Thomas, who has not aged a day in over seven years. Peter explains that Mother's spirit resides in the volcano and prevents the children from aging, so long as they believe in her. They later discover a large glowing fish, which is Mother's other form with Wendy then secretly coming across a dated photograph of a deceased family of islanders (in some sort of subterranean shrine decorated with paintings deep beneath a sea cave) that include Peter and concludes Mother must've saved him from a natural disaster (that killed the other islanders) and shared her powers with Peter making him ageless.

While exploring a capsized boat called the ''Mañana'', Douglas injures his head and disappears from sight. The children search for him without success. Missing his twin brother, James withdraws emotionally and his right hand begins to show signs of age. James becomes afraid and asks Peter to cut the hand off lest he become old. Shocked and disgusted, Wendy pulls James away from the group and they explore the back of the island. They encounter a settlement of "Olds," children who lost faith in Mother and thus began to age normally. Among them is Buzzo, well known by the younger kids as being a former member of their group (who lost his faith in Mother when his best friend died). James, bitter at having to grow up without Douglas, rallies the group to kill and eat Mother's fish form in order to regain their youth. The Olds kidnap the children to use as bait for Mother and repurpose the ''Mañana'' as a fishing boat.

While evading the Olds, Wendy and Peter find Douglas alive. They swim to the ''Mañana'', where they find the now elderly James, with a hook in place of his missing right hand. As Peter and Wendy rescue the children, James kills Mother with a harpoon. With Peter and the children mournful and the Olds disheartened, Wendy gets them to all start singing, which inspires Peter and revitalizes the volcano. Wendy and Douglas decide it is time for them to go home plus also bring Thomas back with them to give his family closure (along with two other tag along lost children). Knowing that he cannot go home, James stays to play with Peter as his new “enemy” Captain Hook, thereby allowing him to live out the rest of his days with the spirit of a child. Years later Wendy, now a mother herself, wakes to find her daughter Jane climbing aboard a passing train car with none other than Peter himself, still unchanged by time. Unable to keep up, Wendy comforts herself that Peter will look after her daughter and eventually return Jane back home to Wendy.

== Cast ==
* Devin France as [[Wendy Darling]]
** Tommie Milazzo as Baby Wendy
** Catherine Ott as Teenage Wendy
** Allison Campbell as Adult Wendy
* Yashua Mack as [[Peter Pan|Peter]]
* Gage Naquin as Douglas Darling
** Logan Jones as Aged 7 Douglas
** John Belloni as Teenage Douglas
** Levy Easterly as Adult Douglas
* Gavin Naquin as [[Captain Hook|James Darling]]
** Luke Jones as Aged 7 James
** Kevin Pugh as [[Captain Hook|Captain James Hook]]
* Krzysztof Meyn as Thomas
**Weldon Barry as Teenage Thomas
**Hunter McGregor as Adult Thomas
* Ahmad Cage as Sweet Heavy
* Romyri Ross as Cudjoe Head
* Lowell Landes as Buzzo
* Shay Walker as Angela Darling
* Cleopatra King Welch as [[Characters of Peter Pan|Jane Darling]]

== Production ==
In August 2015, it was announced [[Benh Zeitlin]] would write and direct the film.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.indiewire.com/2015/08/beasts-of-the-southern-wild-director-benh-zeitlin-gearing-up-new-film-wendy-261090/|title='Beasts Of The Southern Wild' Director Benh Zeitlin Gearing Up New Film 'Wendy'|website=[[IndieWire]]|first=Kevin|last=Jagernauth|date=August 6, 2015|access-date=March 21, 2019}}</ref> Production began in March 2017, with filming taking place in [[Montserrat]] and [[Antigua]].<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.indiewire.com/2017/03/benh-zeitlin-wendy-beasts-of-souther-wild-new-film-production-photos-1201789239/|title=Benh Zeitlin May Finally Be Shooting His Follow-Up to 'Beasts of the Southern Wild' in the Caribbean|website=[[IndieWire]]|first=Zack|last=Sharf|date=March 2, 2017|access-date=March 21, 2019}}</ref>

== Release ==
In April 2018, [[Searchlight Pictures]] acquired the film’s rights.<ref>{{cite web |last=Smythe |first=Rebecca |date=April 11, 2018 |title=FOX SEARCHLIGHT PICTURES ANNOUNCES SEARCHLIGHT TELEVISION FOR BROADCAST, CABLE AND STREAMING |url=http://www.foxsearchlight.com/post/4300/fox-searchlight-pictures-announces-searchlight-television-for-broadcast-cable-and-streaming/ |url-status=usurped |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180416212953/http://www.foxsearchlight.com/post/4300/fox-searchlight-pictures-announces-searchlight-television-for-broadcast-cable-and-streaming/ |archive-date=April 16, 2018 |access-date=March 21, 2019 |website=[[Fox Searchlight Pictures]]}}</ref> It had its world premiere at the [[Sundance Film Festival]] on January 26, 2020.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sundance-2020-unveils-female-powered-lineup-taylor-swift-gloria-steinem-films-1259538?|title=Sundance Unveils Female-Powered Lineup Featuring Taylor Swift, Gloria Steinem, Abortion Road Trip Drama|website=[[The Hollywood Reporter]]|first=Tatiana|last=Siegel|date=December 4, 2019|access-date=December 4, 2019}}</ref> It was released on February 28, 2020.<ref>{{cite web|first=Kyle|last=Buchanan|url=https://twitter.com/kylebuchanan/status/1184863943199641600|title=Benh Zeitlin is back! It's been 84 years, etc|website=[[Twitter]]|date=October 17, 2019|access-date=October 17, 2019}}</ref>

== Reception ==
{{Anchor|Critical response}}
On [[review aggregator]] website [[Rotten Tomatoes]], the film holds an approval rating of 42% based on 113 reviews, with an average rating of 5.70/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "''Wendy'' dares to do something different with its classic source material; unfortunately, the movie's breathtaking visuals are at odds with a flawed take on the story."<ref name="rottentomatoes">{{cite web|url=https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/wendy|title=Wendy (2020)|website=[[Rotten Tomatoes]]|publisher=[[Fandango Media|Fandango]]|access-date={{RT data|access date}}}}</ref> On [[Metacritic]], the film has a [[Weighted arithmetic mean|weighted average]] score of 55 out of 100, based on 36 critics, indicating "mixed or average reviews".<ref name="metacritic">{{cite web |title=Wendy Reviews |url=https://www.metacritic.com/movie/wendy |website=Metacritic |access-date=May 11, 2020}}</ref>

== References ==
{{Reflist|30em}}

== External links ==
* {{Official website|https://www.searchlightpictures.com/wendy/}}
* {{IMDb title|2420124}}

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Wendy (film)

2024-09-20T21:26:09Z

CSOOCS:

{{Short description|2020 film by Benh Zeitlin}}

{{Use mdy dates|date=May 2023}}{{Infobox film
| name = Wendy
| image = File:Wendy poster.jpg
| caption = Theatrical release poster
| director = [[Benh Zeitlin]]
| producer = {{Plainlist|
* Becky Glupczynski
* Dan Janvey
* [[Paul Mezey]]
* Josh Penn
}}
| screenplay = {{plainlist|
* Benh Zeitlin
* Eliza Zeitlin
}}
| based_on = ''[[Peter and Wendy (novel)|Peter Pan]]'' by [[J. M. Barrie]]
| starring = {{Plainlist|
* Devin France
* Yashua Mack
* Gage Naquin
* Gavin Naquin
* Ahmad Cage
* Krzysztof Meyn
* Romyri Ross
}}
| music = [[Dan Romer]] Benh Zeitlin
| cinematography = [[Sturla Brandth Grøvlen]]
| editing = Scott Cummings [[Affonso Gonçalves]]
| production_companies = {{Plainlist|
* [[Searchlight Pictures]]
* [[TSG Entertainment]]
* Department of Motion Pictures
* Journeyman Pictures
}}
| distributor = Searchlight Pictures
| released = {{Film date|2020|1|26|[[Sundance Film Festival|Sundance]]|2020|2|28|United States}}
| runtime = 112 minutes<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.sundance.org/projects/wendy|title=Wendy|website=[[Sundance Film Festival]]|access-date=January 22, 2020|archive-date=April 8, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200408125747/https://www.sundance.org/projects/wendy|url-status=dead}}</ref>
| country = United States
| language = English
| budget = $6 million<ref>{{cite web|url=https://slate.com/culture/2020/02/wendy-movie-benh-zeitlin-beasts-southern-wild.html|title=Wendy Makes the Case for Studio Meddling|website=[[Slate (magazine)|Slate]]|first=Dan|last=Kois|date=February 24, 2020|access-date=February 29, 2020}}</ref>
| gross = $266,770<ref name=NUM>{{cite web |url= https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Wendy-(2020)#tab=summary |title=Wendy (2020)|website= [[The Numbers (website)|The Numbers]] |access-date= March 20, 2020 }}</ref><ref name=BOM>{{cite web |url= https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2830729729/?ref_=bo_da_table_28 |title=Wendy (2020)|website= [[Box Office Mojo]] |access-date= March 20, 2020 }}</ref>
}}
'''''Wendy''''' is a 2020 American [[fantasy drama]] film directed by [[Benh Zeitlin]], from a screenplay by Zeitlin and his sister Eliza Zeitlin. The film stars Devin France, Yashua Mack, Gage Naquin, Gavin Naquin, Ahmad Cage, Krzysztof Meyn, and Romyri Ross. It is intended to be a re-imagining of [[J. M. Barrie]]'s ''[[Peter and Wendy (novel)|Peter Pan]]''.

''Wendy'' had its world premiere at the [[Sundance Film Festival]] on January 26, 2020 and was released on February 28, 2020 by [[Searchlight Pictures]].

== Plot ==

Wendy Darling lives in the [[Southern United States|rural South]] with her [[waitress]] mother Angela and twin brothers James and Douglas. Back when James and Douglas (Logan Jones and Luke Jones) were celebrating their seventh birthdays, their next-door neighbor and cousin Thomas Marshall storms outside (on discovering what his future will be) and disappears, with Wendy seeing him being lured into climbing aboard a passing train car by a hooded childlike figure. One night, when the children request a bedtime story, Angela tells them about her life and how she was forced to give up on her dreams in order to raise a family. Wendy wonders whether the same thing will happen to her.

The next night, as the train passes by their bedroom window, Wendy notices a boy riding on top of the train cars. The three children climb out of their window and join the boy, Peter, who takes them all to a tropical island with an active [[volcano]], which Peter calls "Mother". The island is populated by other children, including their long-lost cousin Thomas, who has not aged a day in over seven years. Peter explains that Mother's spirit resides in the volcano and prevents the children from aging, so long as they believe in her. They later discover a large glowing fish, which is Mother's other form with Wendy then secretly coming across a dated photograph of a deceased family of islanders (in some sort of decorated subterranean shrine deep beneath a sea cave) that include Peter and concludes Mother must've saved him from a natural disaster (that killed the other islanders) and shared her powers with Peter making him ageless.

While exploring a capsized boat called the ''Mañana'', Douglas injures his head and disappears from sight. The children search for him without success. Missing his twin brother, James withdraws emotionally and his right hand begins to show signs of age. James becomes afraid and asks Peter to cut the hand off lest he become old. Shocked and disgusted, Wendy pulls James away from the group and they explore the back of the island. They encounter a settlement of "Olds," children who lost faith in Mother and thus began to age normally. Among them is Buzzo, well known by the younger kids as being a former member of their group (who lost his faith in Mother when his best friend died). James, bitter at having to grow up without Douglas, rallies the group to kill and eat Mother's fish form in order to regain their youth. The Olds kidnap the children to use as bait for Mother and repurpose the ''Mañana'' as a fishing boat.

While evading the Olds, Wendy and Peter find Douglas alive. They swim to the ''Mañana'', where they find the now elderly James, with a hook in place of his missing right hand. As Peter and Wendy rescue the children, James kills Mother with a harpoon. With Peter and the children mournful and the Olds disheartened, Wendy gets them to all start singing, which inspires Peter and revitalizes the volcano. Wendy and Douglas decide it is time for them to go home plus also bring Thomas back with them to give his family closure (along with two other tag along lost children). Knowing that he cannot go home, James stays to play with Peter as his new “enemy” Captain Hook, thereby allowing him to live out the rest of his days with the spirit of a child. Years later Wendy, now a mother herself, wakes to find her daughter Jane climbing aboard a passing train car with none other than Peter himself, still unchanged by time. Unable to keep up, Wendy comforts herself that Peter will look after her daughter and eventually return Jane back home to Wendy.

== Cast ==
* Devin France as [[Wendy Darling]]
** Tommie Milazzo as Baby Wendy
** Catherine Ott as Teenage Wendy
** Allison Campbell as Adult Wendy
* Yashua Mack as [[Peter Pan|Peter]]
* Gage Naquin as Douglas Darling
** Logan Jones as Aged 7 Douglas
** John Belloni as Teenage Douglas
** Levy Easterly as Adult Douglas
* Gavin Naquin as [[Captain Hook|James Darling]]
** Luke Jones as Aged 7 James
** Kevin Pugh as [[Captain Hook|Captain James Hook]]
* Krzysztof Meyn as Thomas
**Weldon Barry as Teenage Thomas
**Hunter McGregor as Adult Thomas
* Ahmad Cage as Sweet Heavy
* Romyri Ross as Cudjoe Head
* Lowell Landes as Buzzo
* Shay Walker as Angela Darling
* Cleopatra King Welch as [[Characters of Peter Pan|Jane Darling]]

== Production ==
In August 2015, it was announced [[Benh Zeitlin]] would write and direct the film.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.indiewire.com/2015/08/beasts-of-the-southern-wild-director-benh-zeitlin-gearing-up-new-film-wendy-261090/|title='Beasts Of The Southern Wild' Director Benh Zeitlin Gearing Up New Film 'Wendy'|website=[[IndieWire]]|first=Kevin|last=Jagernauth|date=August 6, 2015|access-date=March 21, 2019}}</ref> Production began in March 2017, with filming taking place in [[Montserrat]] and [[Antigua]].<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.indiewire.com/2017/03/benh-zeitlin-wendy-beasts-of-souther-wild-new-film-production-photos-1201789239/|title=Benh Zeitlin May Finally Be Shooting His Follow-Up to 'Beasts of the Southern Wild' in the Caribbean|website=[[IndieWire]]|first=Zack|last=Sharf|date=March 2, 2017|access-date=March 21, 2019}}</ref>

== Release ==
In April 2018, [[Searchlight Pictures]] acquired the film’s rights.<ref>{{cite web |last=Smythe |first=Rebecca |date=April 11, 2018 |title=FOX SEARCHLIGHT PICTURES ANNOUNCES SEARCHLIGHT TELEVISION FOR BROADCAST, CABLE AND STREAMING |url=http://www.foxsearchlight.com/post/4300/fox-searchlight-pictures-announces-searchlight-television-for-broadcast-cable-and-streaming/ |url-status=usurped |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180416212953/http://www.foxsearchlight.com/post/4300/fox-searchlight-pictures-announces-searchlight-television-for-broadcast-cable-and-streaming/ |archive-date=April 16, 2018 |access-date=March 21, 2019 |website=[[Fox Searchlight Pictures]]}}</ref> It had its world premiere at the [[Sundance Film Festival]] on January 26, 2020.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sundance-2020-unveils-female-powered-lineup-taylor-swift-gloria-steinem-films-1259538?|title=Sundance Unveils Female-Powered Lineup Featuring Taylor Swift, Gloria Steinem, Abortion Road Trip Drama|website=[[The Hollywood Reporter]]|first=Tatiana|last=Siegel|date=December 4, 2019|access-date=December 4, 2019}}</ref> It was released on February 28, 2020.<ref>{{cite web|first=Kyle|last=Buchanan|url=https://twitter.com/kylebuchanan/status/1184863943199641600|title=Benh Zeitlin is back! It's been 84 years, etc|website=[[Twitter]]|date=October 17, 2019|access-date=October 17, 2019}}</ref>

== Reception ==
{{Anchor|Critical response}}
On [[review aggregator]] website [[Rotten Tomatoes]], the film holds an approval rating of 42% based on 113 reviews, with an average rating of 5.70/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "''Wendy'' dares to do something different with its classic source material; unfortunately, the movie's breathtaking visuals are at odds with a flawed take on the story."<ref name="rottentomatoes">{{cite web|url=https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/wendy|title=Wendy (2020)|website=[[Rotten Tomatoes]]|publisher=[[Fandango Media|Fandango]]|access-date={{RT data|access date}}}}</ref> On [[Metacritic]], the film has a [[Weighted arithmetic mean|weighted average]] score of 55 out of 100, based on 36 critics, indicating "mixed or average reviews".<ref name="metacritic">{{cite web |title=Wendy Reviews |url=https://www.metacritic.com/movie/wendy |website=Metacritic |access-date=May 11, 2020}}</ref>

== References ==
{{Reflist|30em}}

== External links ==
* {{Official website|https://www.searchlightpictures.com/wendy/}}
* {{IMDb title|2420124}}

{{Peter Pan}}
{{Behn Zeitlin}}

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Come Away

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{{short description|2020 fantasy drama film}}
{{Infobox film
| name = Come Away
| image = Come Away.png
| caption = Theatrical release poster
| director = [[Brenda Chapman]]
| producer = {{Plainlist|
* [[Leesa Kahn]]
* Andrea Keir
* [[David Oyelowo]]
* James Spring
}}
| screenplay = Marissa Kate Goodhill
| based_on = {{Based on|''[[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]''|[[Lewis Carroll]]}} {{Based on|''[[Peter Pan]]''|[[J. M. Barrie]]}}
| starring = {{Plainlist|
* David Oyelowo
* [[Anna Chancellor]]
* [[Angelina Jolie]]
* [[Michael Caine]]
* [[Clarke Peters]]
* [[Gugu Mbatha-Raw]]
* [[David Gyasi]]
* [[Derek Jacobi]]
}}
| music = [[John Debney]]
| cinematography = Jules O'Loughlin
| editing = [[Dody Dorn]]
| studio = {{Plainlist|
* Endurance Media
* Fred Films
* Yoruba Saxon Productions
}}
| distributor = {{plainlist|
* Signature Entertainment (United Kingdom)
* [[Relativity Media]] (United States)
}}
| runtime = 94 minutes<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/come-away-q29sbgvjdglvbjpwwc01mdc2mzy |title=''Come Away'' |website=[[British Board of Film Classification]] |access-date=April 24, 2022}}</ref>
| released = {{film date|2020|1|24|[[Sundance Film Festival|Sundance]]|2020|11|13|United States|2020|12|18|United Kingdom}}
| country = {{plainlist|
* United Kingdom
* United States
}}
| language = English
| budget =
| gross = $1,743,649<ref name="Numbers">{{cite The Numbers |id=Come-Away |title= Come Away (2020) |access-date= April 6, 2024 |archive-date= December 1, 2020 |archive-url= https://web.archive.org/web/20201201062308/https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Come-Away#tab=summary |url-status= live }}</ref>
}}

'''''Come Away''''' is a 2020 [[fantasy drama]] film directed by [[Brenda Chapman]] (in her live-action directorial debut) and starring [[David Oyelowo]], [[Anna Chancellor]], [[Angelina Jolie]], [[Clarke Peters]], [[David Gyasi]], with [[Gugu Mbatha-Raw]], [[Michael Caine]], and [[Derek Jacobi]]. The film is an homage to the stories of ''[[Peter Pan]]'' and ''[[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]''. The characters of those stories are siblings who try to help their parents overcome the death of their eldest son.

''Come Away'' had its world premiere at the [[Sundance Film Festival]] on January 24, 2020, and was released in the United States on November 13, 2020, by [[Relativity Media]] and was released in the United Kingdom on December 18, 2020, by Signature Entertainment. It is Relativity's first theatrically released film since 2016's ''[[Masterminds (2016 film)|Masterminds]]''.

==Plot==

A mother reads "[[The Stolen Child]]" by [[William Butler Yeats]] to her three children, two boys and one girl, and recounts a story of three siblings; first David, middle child Peter, and last Alice, who live with their parents: Jack and Rose Littleton. The children dwell in a house by a forest on the outskirts of London and let their imaginations run wild.

Alice acts mature in contrast to Peter who behaves like a feral boy pretending to be various sorts of tribesmen and gods, regarding the local woods as his domain. Rose's sister Eleanor is requesting to sponsor David's education on the grounds of his intelligence (during one of their trips they discover an eagle feather and a downed boat, with the siblings wondering if they could get it sea-worthy).

Tragedy strikes one day when David while pretending to fight pirates during a storm, falls into the river, is struck by lightning, and dies. The family copes in different ways; with Jack, a model maker, returning to his bad gambling habits and Rose intending to make a green felt hat that would have been David's birthday present (further problems arise when Jack's latest model boat is rejected for another version).

Eleanor meanwhile shifts focusing her attention on Alice hoping to make her niece a proper lady to make her more accepted in the current class society due to her mixed-color parentage. In order to make payments Peter and Alice make a trip to London to sell a family heirloom silver pocket watch, during which they shelter a group of street urchins who have pickpocketed an intimidating criminal.

Both siblings meet an eccentric shopkeeper, Hatter, who leads them to a money lender and lower crime boss Captain James or CJ who unknown to both of them is their uncle. Peter later runs into the very same street kids (he met earlier) who reveal they are known as the [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boys]] and that they have been to a place known only to children called [[Neverland|Never Neverland]] and offer to take him there. Jack later visits his brother to call off his debt collectors, with a jealous James crippling his brother (as a show of loyalty to his crime paymasters) leading to Jack losing his hand.

Peter responds by seeking out these Lost Boys to help rob James of the fortune of gold coins Peter spied on earlier that he is safeguarding for the various criminal organizations of London's underworld. When James catches his nephew in the act Peter cuts off his uncle's hand in a sword duel before fleeing.

With his uncle and cohorts hot on his heels, Peter is forced to run away from home. Taking his late brother's newly finished hat with the eagle feather in it while dressed in his brother's hand me down green clothes, whilst [[Captain Hook|Captain James]] and company continue to give chase after him.

Alice last spies Peter on the now fixed boat sailing away crewed by said Lost Boys who are taking her brother to Never Neverland (with the ship apparently being pulled into the air by the wind itself thanks to a [[Tinker Bell|fairy]] that Alice came across disguised as a little brass bell), although Peter briefly returns to stop by while his family sleeps to deposit some of the stolen coins (that he irregularly does over the years to support his loved ones).

The mother finishes telling her story which has now been established as being of her own early life. Thereby showing that Alice is now an independent lady to her children, who are revealed to be [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers, [[Characters of Peter Pan|John and Michael]].

Coming back from going out for the evening with her husband [[Characters of Peter Pan|George Darling]], Alice suddenly hears a familiar crowing that both her brothers used to do and heads upstairs to find the children's bedroom windows thrown wide open and a notable eagle feather on the floor beneath said window. She looks out of their window at the night sky, hoping it was her brother who came to take his niece and nephews off to this supposed Never Neverland and will likely look after them while they are there.

==Cast==
{{castlist|
* [[Angelina Jolie]] as [[Queen of Hearts (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)|Rose Littleton]]
* [[David Oyelowo]] as Jack Littleton
* Keira Chansa as [[Alice (Alice in Wonderland)|Alice Littleton]]
** [[Gugu Mbatha-Raw]] as Adult Alice
* Jordan Anthony Nash as [[Peter Pan|Peter Littleton]]
* [[Anna Chancellor]] as [[Red Queen (Through the Looking Glass)|Eleanor Morrow]]
* [[Clarke Peters]] as [[Mad Hatter|Hatter]]
* [[David Gyasi]] as [[Captain Hook|Captain James]]
* [[Michael Caine]] as Charlie
* [[Derek Jacobi]] as Mr. Brown
* [[Jenny Galloway]] as Hannah O'Farral
* Reece Yates as [[White Rabbit (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)|David Littleton]]
* [[Ned Dennehy]] as [[Smee]]
* Daniel Swain as Mr. Darling
* Ava Fillery as [[Wendy Darling]]
* Jonathan Garcia as John Darling
* Carter Thomas as Michael Darling
* Harry Newman as Twin 1
* Oliver Newman as Twin 2
* [[Jack Veal]] as Curly<ref>[https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a37155919/loki-jack-veal-young-avengers-rumours/ Loki star responds to Young Avengers rumours]</ref>
* Rishi Kuppa as Tootles
* Alfie Hoang as Slightly
* Nana Agyeman-Bediako as Nibs
}}

==Production==
The project was announced in May 2016, with ''[[The Prince of Egypt]]'' and ''[[Brave (2012 film)|Brave]]'' co-director [[Brenda Chapman]] hired to direct.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://deadline.com/2016/05/brenda-chapman-come-away-movie-peter-pan-alice-and-wonderland-prequel-1201752742/ |title='Brave' Director Brenda Chapman To Make Live-Action Debut With 'Come Away' |date=11 May 2016 |access-date=April 18, 2020 |archive-date=April 12, 2020 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200412110828/https://deadline.com/2016/05/brenda-chapman-come-away-movie-peter-pan-alice-and-wonderland-prequel-1201752742/ |url-status=live }}</ref>

In May 2018, [[Angelina Jolie]] and [[David Oyelowo]] were cast to play the parents of Alice and Peter, with both actors also taking producer roles.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://deadline.com/2018/05/angelina-jolie-david-oyelowo-come-away-movie-brenda-chapman-director-brave-1202386082/ |title=Angelina Jolie & David Oyelowo To Star In Fantasy 'Come Away'; 'Brave' Helmer Brenda Chapman's Live-Acton Debut |date=30 May 2018 |access-date=April 18, 2020 |archive-date=April 12, 2020 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200412110827/https://deadline.com/2018/05/angelina-jolie-david-oyelowo-come-away-movie-brenda-chapman-director-brave-1202386082/ |url-status=live }}</ref> In August 2018, [[Anna Chancellor]], [[Clarke Peters]], [[Gugu Mbatha-Raw]], [[Michael Caine]], [[David Gyasi]], [[Derek Jacobi]] and [[Jenny Galloway]] joined the cast.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://variety.com/2018/film/news/gugu-mbatha-raw-michael-caine-come-away-david-oyelowo-angelina-jolie-1202922604/ |title=Gugu Mbatha-Raw, Michael Caine Join David Oyelowo-Angelina Jolie Film 'Come Away' (EXCLUSIVE) |date=30 August 2018 |access-date=August 30, 2018 |archive-date=August 31, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180831035530/https://variety.com/2018/film/news/gugu-mbatha-raw-michael-caine-come-away-david-oyelowo-angelina-jolie-1202922604/ |url-status=live }}</ref><ref name="deadline.com">{{Cite web |url=https://deadline.com/2018/09/come-away-movie-derek-jacobi-jenny-galloway-cast-1202457204/ |title='Come Away' Adds Derek Jacobi To Cast, Lines Up Sales Plan Ahead Of Toronto |date=5 September 2018 |access-date=September 5, 2018 |archive-date=September 6, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180906014011/https://deadline.com/2018/09/come-away-movie-derek-jacobi-jenny-galloway-cast-1202457204/ |url-status=live }}</ref> Additional financing came from Ace Pictures, Creasun Entertainment USA and Tin Res Entertainment; executive producers include David Haring, Minglu Ma, George Acogny, Timur Bekbosunov, Johnny Chang, Peter Wong, Emma Lee, Gia Muresan, Simon Fawcett and Steve Barnett.<ref name="deadline.com"/>

The filming commenced at [[Shad Thames]] in [[London]] in August 2018,<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/david-oyelowo-films-peter-pan-alice-in-wonderland-prequel-come-away-in-london.1825423/|title=David Oyelowo films Peter Pan & Alice In Wonderland prequel 'Come Away' in London|website=Lipstick Alley|date=12 September 2018 |language=en-US|access-date=June 11, 2019 |archive-date=June 28, 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210628211108/https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/david-oyelowo-films-peter-pan-alice-in-wonderland-prequel-come-away-in-london.1825423/|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Citation|last=Leung|first=Kam Hong|title=Hollywood's Blockbuster 'Come Away' Film Set in Shad Thames, London SE1 @ 10 September 2018|date=September 10, 2018 |url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/khl_07/32362456518/|access-date=June 11, 2019 |archive-date=June 28, 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210628211043/https://www.flickr.com/photos/khl_07/32362456518/|url-status=live}}</ref> as well as Windsor Great Park in both the South Forest and around Johnson's pond. In October 2018, the production moved to [[Los Angeles]] before concluding later that month.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://deadline.com/2018/08/come-away-movie-angelina-jolie-david-oyelowo-anna-chancellor-clarke-peters-peter-pan-alice-in-wonderland-1202443892/ |title='Come Away' Fantasy Pic Starring Angelina Jolie And David Oyelowo Adds Cast, Begins Shoot |date=10 August 2018 |access-date=August 10, 2018 |archive-date=August 11, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180811030500/https://deadline.com/2018/08/come-away-movie-angelina-jolie-david-oyelowo-anna-chancellor-clarke-peters-peter-pan-alice-in-wonderland-1202443892/ |url-status=live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |url=https://www.today.com/style/angelina-jolie-goes-blonde-her-role-come-away-t139985?cid=sm_npd_td_fb_ma |title=Angelina Jolie looks barely recognizable in a blond wig for her new movie |date=17 October 2018 |access-date=October 18, 2018 |archive-date=October 18, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181018122312/https://www.today.com/style/angelina-jolie-goes-blonde-her-role-come-away-t139985?cid=sm_npd_td_fb_ma |url-status=live }}</ref>

==Release==
It had its world premiere at the [[Sundance Film Festival]] on January 24, 2020.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.sundance.org/projects/come-away|title=Come Away|website=[[Sundance Institute]]|access-date=December 17, 2019|archive-date=March 8, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200308172533/https://www.sundance.org/projects/come-away|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sundance-2020-unveils-female-powered-lineup-taylor-swift-gloria-steinem-films-1259538?|title=Sundance Unveils Female-Powered Lineup Featuring Taylor Swift, Gloria Steinem, Abortion Road Trip Drama|website=[[The Hollywood Reporter]]|first=Tatiana|last=Siegel|date=December 4, 2019|access-date=December 4, 2019|archive-date=October 12, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201012111158/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sundance-2020-unveils-female-powered-lineup-taylor-swift-gloria-steinem-films-1259538|url-status=live}}</ref> In October 2020, [[Relativity Media]] acquired U.S. distribution rights to the film and had its release on November 13, 2020.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/relativity-media-acquires-angelina-jolie-david-oyelowo-fantasy-adventure-come-away-exclusive|title=Relativity Media Acquires Angelina Jolie, David Oyelowo Fantasy Adventure 'Come Away' (Exclusive)|website=The Hollywood Reporter|first=Etan|last=Vlessing|date=October 9, 2020|access-date=October 9, 2020|archive-date=October 12, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201012062112/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/relativity-media-acquires-angelina-jolie-david-oyelowo-fantasy-adventure-come-away-exclusive|url-status=live}}</ref>

== Reception ==
=== Box office ===
In its opening weekend the film grossed $108,000 from 475 theaters.<ref>{{cite web |last=D'Alessandro |first=Anthony |date=November 15, 2020 |url=https://deadline.com/2020/11/freaky-weekend-box-office-opening-blumhouse-universal-coronavirus-covid-19-1234615828/ |title=Blumhouse Body Swap Horror Comedy 'Freaky' Takes In $3.7M, On Par With Other No. 1 Pics During Fall Pandemic |website=[[Deadline Hollywood]] |access-date=November 15, 2020 |archive-date=November 14, 2020 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201114225850/https://deadline.com/2020/11/freaky-weekend-box-office-opening-blumhouse-universal-coronavirus-covid-19-1234615828/ |url-status=live }}</ref> The film earned $184,477 in the United States and Canada, $1,562,383 in other territories, for a total worldwide gross of $1,746,860.<ref name="Numbers"/>

===Critical response===
[[Review aggregator]] website [[Rotten Tomatoes]] reported that {{RT data|score}} of {{RT data|count}} reviews of the film were positive, with an average rating of {{RT data|average}}. The website's critics consensus reads, "Largely lacking the fairytale magic it seeks to conjure, ''Come Away'' is an initially intriguing fantasy that never really takes flight."<ref>{{cite Rotten Tomatoes |id=come_away |title=Come Away |type=m |access-date={{RT data|access date}}|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201125162342/https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/come_away|archive-date=November 25, 2020|url-status=live}}</ref> According to [[Metacritic]], which sampled 17 critic reviews and calculated a weighted average score of 40 out of 100, the film received "mixed or average reviews".<ref>{{cite Metacritic |id=come-away |title=Come Away Reviews |type=m |access-date= April 22, 2021 |archive-date= November 11, 2020 |archive-url= https://web.archive.org/web/20201111220800/https://www.metacritic.com/movie/come-away |url-status= live }}</ref>

After its Sundance premiere, Ben Pearson of ''[[Slash Film]]'' gave a positive review by stating "A new children's classic has arrived, and this timeless fairytale will surely enchant audiences for generations to come."<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.slashfilm.com/come-away-review/|title='Come Away' Review: A Delightful Origin Story of Peter Before Pan and Alice Before Wonderland [Sundance 2020]|website=[[/Film]]|last=Pearson|first=Ben|date=January 25, 2020|access-date=February 25, 2020|archive-date=March 12, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200312174204/https://www.slashfilm.com/come-away-review/|url-status=live}}</ref> John DeFore of ''[[The Hollywood Reporter]]'' gave a negative review by stating "A wealth of familiar storybook material and a cast including Angelina Jolie and David Oyelowo will draw attention, but a handsome production and beautiful cast aren't enough to get this fantasy off the ground."<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/come-away-review-1272733|title='Come Away' Review|website=[[The Hollywood Reporter]]|publisher=[[Valence Media]]|last=DeFore|first=John|date=January 24, 2020|access-date=February 25, 2020|archive-date=March 16, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200316133422/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/come-away-review-1272733|url-status=live}}</ref> Conversely, Peter Bradshaw, writing in ''[[The Guardian]]'', gave the film one star out of a possible five, describing it as "a muddled, leaden fantasy adventure for Christmas which feels as if someone put all the [[Quality Street (confectionery)|Quality Streets]] in a saucepan and melted them together, with the wrappers still on ... an indigestible lump of star turns, superstar cameos and references to classic children's literature".<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/dec/17/come-away-review-david-oyelowo|title=Come Away review – an indigestible lump of kid-lit stodge|first=Peter|last=Bradshaw|work=The Guardian|date=December 17, 2020|access-date=December 17, 2020|archive-date=December 17, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201217102936/https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/dec/17/come-away-review-david-oyelowo|url-status=live}}</ref>

==References==
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==External links==
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Parallel universes in fiction

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{{short description|Universe coexisting with another universe}}
{{Distinguish|Parallel novel}}
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A '''parallel universe''', also known as an '''alternate universe''', '''parallel world''', '''parallel dimension''', '''alternate reality''', or '''alternative dimension''', is a hypothetical [[universe]] co-existing with one's own, typically distinct in some way.<ref>https://www.dictionary.com/browse/parallel-universe</ref>  While the six terms are generally [[synonym]]ous and can be used interchangeably in most cases, there is sometimes an additional connotation implied with the term "alternate universe/reality" that implies that the reality is a variant of our own, with some overlap with the similarly named [[alternate history]]. The sum of all potential parallel universes that constitute reality is often called the "[[multiverse]]".

'''Fiction''' has long borrowed an idea of "another world" from [[mythology|myth]], [[legend]] and [[religion]]. [[Heaven]], [[Hell]], [[Twelve Olympians|Olympus]], and [[Valhalla]] are all "alternative universes" different from the familiar material realm. [[Plato]] reflected deeply on parallel realities, resulting in the worlds of [[Platonism]], in which the upper reality is perfect while the lower (earthly) reality is an imperfect shadow of the heavenly equivalent.

The concept is also found in ancient [[Hindu mythology]], in texts such as the [[Puranas]], which expressed an infinite number of universes, each with its own gods. Similarly in [[Persian literature]], "[[The Adventures of Bulukiya]]" (a tale in the ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'') describes the [[protagonist]] Bulukiya learning of alternative worlds/universes that are similar to but still distinct from his own.<ref name=Irwin>{{cite book |last1= Irwin |first1= Robert |title= The Arabian Nights: A Companion |year= 2005 |publisher= [[I.B. Tauris|Tauris Parke Paperbacks]] |location= London |isbn=1860649831}}</ref>

One of the first science-fiction examples is [[Murray Leinster]]'s short story ''[[Sidewise in Time]]'', published in 1934, in which portions of alternative universes replace corresponding geographical regions in this universe. ''Sidewise in Time'' analogizes time to the [[geographic coordinate system]], with travel along [[latitude]] corresponding to [[time travel]] moving through past, present and future, and travel along [[longitude]] corresponding to travel perpendicular to time and to other realities - hence the name of the story. Thus, another common term for a parallel universe is "another dimension", stemming from the idea that if the 4th [[dimension]] is time, the 5th dimension—a direction at a right angle to the [[Fourth dimension in literature|fourth]]—is a direction into any of the alternate spacetime realities.

In modern literature, parallel universes can serve two main purposes: to allow stories with elements that would ordinarily violate the [[Scientific law|laws of nature]]; and to serve as a starting point for [[speculative fiction]], asking the question "What if [event] [[Alternate history|turned out differently]]?". Examples of the former include [[Terry Pratchett]]'s ''[[Discworld]]'' and [[C. S. Lewis]]'s ''[[The Chronicles of Narnia]]'', while examples of the latter include [[Harry Turtledove]]'s [[Worldwar series|''Worldwar'' series]].

A parallel universe—or more specifically, continued interaction between a parallel universe and our own—may serve as a central [[plot point | plot-point]], or it may simply be mentioned and quickly dismissed, having served its purpose of establishing a realm unconstrained by realism.{{clarification needed|date=October 2023}} ''Discworld'', for example, only very rarely mentions our world or any other worlds, as Pratchett set the books in a parallel universe instead of in "our" reality to allow for [[Magic in fiction|magic]] on [[Discworld (world) | the Disc]]. ''The Chronicles of Narnia'' also uses to a lesser extent the idea of parallel universes; this is brought up but only briefly mentioned in the introduction and ending,{{cn|date=May 2024}} its main purpose to move the [[protagonist]]s from and to "our" reality and the principal setting of the books.

==Science fiction==
While technically incorrect, and looked down upon by hard science-fiction fans and authors, the idea of another "[[dimension]]" has become synonymous with the term "parallel universe". The usage is particularly common in movies, television and comic books and much less so in modern prose science fiction. The idea of a parallel world was popularized in comic books with the publication of ''The Flash'' No. 123, ''[[Flash of Two Worlds]]'' in 1961.

In written science fiction, "new dimension" more commonly—and more accurately—refer to additional [[Coordinate axis|coordinate axes]], beyond the three spatial axes with which we are familiar. By proposing travel along these extra axes, which are not normally [[perceptible]], the traveller can reach worlds that are otherwise unreachable and invisible.

[[File:Flatland cover detail.jpg|thumb|left|[[Edwin A. Abbott]]'s ''[[Flatland]]'' is set in a world of two dimensions.]]
In 1884, [[Edwin A. Abbott]] wrote the seminal novel exploring this concept called ''[[Flatland|Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions]]''. It describes a world of two dimensions inhabited by living squares, triangles, and circles, called Flatland, as well as Pointland (0 dimensions), Lineland (1 dimension), and Spaceland (three dimensions) and finally posits the possibilities of even greater dimensions. [[Isaac Asimov]], in his foreword to the Signet Classics 1984 edition, described ''Flatland'' as "The best introduction one can find into the manner of perceiving dimensions".

In 1895, ''[[The Time Machine]]'' by [[H. G. Wells]] used time as an additional "dimension" in this sense, taking the [[Spacetime|four-dimensional]] model of [[classical physics]] and interpreting time as a space-like dimension in which humans could travel with the right equipment. Wells also used the concept of parallel universes as a consequence of time as the fourth dimension in stories like ''[[The Wonderful Visit]]'' and ''[[Men Like Gods]]'', an idea proposed by the astronomer [[Simon Newcomb]], who talked about both time and parallel universes; "Add a fourth dimension to space, and there is room for an indefinite number of universes, all alongside of each other, as there is for an indefinite number of sheets of paper when we pile them upon each other."<ref>{{Cite journal|last=Newcomb|first=Simon|date=1 February 1894|title=Modern Mathematical Thought|journal=Nature|volume=49|issue=1266 |pages=325–329|doi=10.1038/049325b0 |bibcode=1894Natur..49..325. |s2cid=353228 |via=Nature Publishing Group|doi-access=free}}</ref>

There are many examples where authors have explicitly created additional spatial dimensions for their characters to travel in, to reach parallel universes. In ''[[Doctor Who]]'', the Doctor accidentally enters a parallel universe while attempting to repair the [[TARDIS]] console in "[[Inferno (Doctor Who)|Inferno]]". [[Douglas Adams]], in the last book of the ''[[The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy|Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy]]'' series, ''[[Mostly Harmless]]'', uses the idea of [[probability]] as an extra [[Coordinate axis|axis]] in addition to the classical four dimensions of space and time similar to the [[many-worlds interpretation]] of [[quantum physics]], although according to the novel they were more a model to capture the continuity of space, time and probability. [[Robert A. Heinlein]], in ''[[The Number of the Beast (novel)|The Number of the Beast]]'', postulated a six-dimensional universe. In addition to the three spatial dimensions, he invoked [[symmetry]] to add two new temporal dimensions, so there would be two sets of three. Like the fourth dimension of H. G. Wells' [[The Time Traveller (character)|"Time Traveller,"]] these extra dimensions can be traveled by persons using the right equipment.

===Hyperspace===
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Perhaps the most common use of the concept of a parallel universe in science fiction is the concept of [[hyperspace]]. Used in science fiction, the concept of "hyperspace" often refers to a parallel universe that can be used as a [[faster-than-light]] shortcut for [[interstellar travel]]. Rationales for this form of hyperspace vary from work to work, but the two common elements are:
#It is possible to enter and exit from this hyperspace with reasonable ease
#There is reason to enter and exit hyperspace rather than travel conventionally (in most settings, 'hyperspace' is considered a faster form of travel).

Sometimes "hyperspace" is used to refer to the concept of additional [[Cartesian coordinate system|coordinate axes]]. In this model, the universe is thought to be "crumpled" in some higher spatial dimension, and that traveling in this higher spatial dimension, a ship can move vast distances in the common spatial dimensions. An analogy is to crumple a newspaper into a ball and stick a needle straight through: the needle will make widely spaced holes in the two-dimensional surface of the paper. While this idea invokes a "new dimension", it is not an example of a parallel universe. It ''is'' a more scientifically plausible use of hyperspace. (See [[wormhole]].)

While the use of hyperspace is common, it is mostly used as a [[plot device]] and thus of secondary importance. While a parallel universe may be invoked by the concept, the nature of the universe is not often explored. So, while stories involving hyperspace might be the most common use of the parallel universe concept in fiction, it is not the most common source of fiction ''about'' parallel universes.

===Time travel===
[[File:H G Wells pre 1922.jpg|thumb|right|British author [[H. G. Wells]]' 1895 novel ''[[The Time Machine]]'', an early example of [[time travel]] in modern fiction]]
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[[Time travel]] can result in multiple universes if a time traveller can change the past. In one interpretation, [[Alternative history|alternative histories]] as a result of time travel are not parallel universes: while multiple parallel universes can co-exist simultaneously, only one history or alternative history can exist at any one moment, as alternative history usually involves, in essence, overriding the original timeline with a new one. As a result, travel between alternative histories is not possible without reverting the timeline back to the original.

There are exceptions to the above, and an alternate history doesn't necessarily overwrite the old one. There are no rules written in stone regarding this. Modern ideas of time travel pose the idea of branching timelines, such as the 2009 ''[[Star Trek (2009 film)|Star Trek]]'' reboot and ''[[Avengers: Endgame]]''. Technically, if a timeline is not explicitly stated to have been erased, it is still there.

Parallel universes as a result of time travel can serve simply as the backdrop, or it may be a central plot point. ''[[The Guns of the South]]'' by [[Harry Turtledove]], where the [[Confederate Army]] is given thousands of [[AK-47]] rifles and ends up winning the [[American Civil War]], is a good example of the former, while [[Fritz Leiber]]'s novel ''[[The Big Time (novel)|The Big Time]]'' where a war between two [[alternative future]]s manipulating history to create a timeline that results in or realizes their own world is a good example of the latter.

===Multiple worlds and time travel===
Subscribing to the [[many-worlds interpretation]] of [[Quantum Physics]], alternative histories in fiction can arise as a natural phenomenon of the universe. In these works, the idea is that each choice every person makes, each leading to a different result, both occur, so when a person decides between [[jam]] or butter on his [[Toast (food)|toast]], two universes are created: one where that person chose jam, and another where that person chose butter. The concept of "sidewise" time travel, a term taken from Murray Leinster's "[[Sidewise in Time]]", is used to allow characters to pass through many different alternative histories, all descendant from some common branch point.

Often, worlds that are more similar to each other are considered closer to each other in terms of this sidewise travel. For example, a universe where World War II ended differently would be "closer" to us than one where Imperial China colonized the New World in the 15th century. [[H. Beam Piper]] used this concept, naming it "paratime" and writing a series of stories involving the Paratime Police who regulated travel between these alternative realities as well as the technology to do so. [[Keith Laumer]] used the same concept of "sideways" time travel in his 1962 novel ''[[Worlds of the Imperium]]''. More recently, novels such as [[Frederik Pohl]]'s ''[[The Coming of the Quantum Cats]]'' and [[Neal Stephenson]]'s ''[[Anathem]]'' explore human-scale readings of the [[Everett many-worlds interpretation|"many worlds" interpretation]], postulating that historical events or human consciousness spawns or allows "travel" among alternative universes.

Universe 'types' frequently explored in sidewise and alternative history works include worlds whose [[Axis victory in World War II|Nazis won the Second World War]], as in ''[[The Man in the High Castle]]'' by [[Philip K. Dick]], ''[[SS-GB]]'' by [[Len Deighton]], ''[[Fatherland (novel)|Fatherland]]'' by [[Robert Harris (novelist)|Robert Harris]], and ''Earthside'' by [[Dennis_E._Taylor]], and worlds whose Roman Empire never fell, as in ''[[Roma Eterna]]'' by [[Robert Silverberg]], ''[[Romanitas (novel)|Romanitas]]'' by [[Sophia McDougall]], and ''[[Warlords of Utopia]]'' by [[Lance Parkin]].

===Similar concepts===
====Counter-Earth====
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The concept of counter-Earth might seem similar to a parallel universe but is actually a distinct idea. A counter-Earth is a planet that shares [[Earth's orbit]] but is on the opposite side of the Sun, and thus cannot be seen from Earth. There would be no necessity that such a planet would be like Earth in any way, although typically in fiction it is practically identical to Earth. Since Counter-Earth is within our universe and the [[Solar System]], reaching it can be accomplished with ordinary space travel.

====Convergent evolution and parallel evolution====
[[Convergent evolution]] is a biological concept whereby unrelated species acquire similar traits because they adapted to a similar environment and/or played similar roles in their ecosystems. In fiction, the concept is extended whereby similar planets will result in races with similar cultures and/or histories. Again, this is not a true parallel universe since such planets exist within the same universe as our own, but the stories are similar in some respects. ''[[Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' frequently explored such worlds, in episodes including "[[Bread and Circuses (Star Trek: The Original Series)|Bread and Circuses]]", "[[The Omega Glory]]", and "[[Miri (Star Trek: The Original Series)|Miri]]".

The 2017 episode of British [[science fiction television]] programme ''[[Doctor Who]]'', "[[The Doctor Falls]]", explains the different origins of the [[Cyberman|Cybermen]] as [[parallel evolution]], due to the inevitability of humans and human-like species attempting to upgrade themselves through technology; this perspective resolves continuity differences in the Cybermen's history.

Convergent evolution may also be due to contamination. In this case, a planet may start out differently from Earth, but due to the influence of Earth's culture, the planet comes to resemble Earth in some way. ''Star Trek'' also frequently used this theory as well, for example, in "[[Patterns of Force (Star Trek: The Original Series)|Patterns of Force]]" and "[[A Piece of the Action (Star Trek: The Original Series)|A Piece of the Action]]".

====Simulated reality====
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Simulated realities are digital constructs featured in science fiction such as ''[[The Matrix]]'' or [[The Thirteenth Floor]] which can parallel ours very closely.

==Fantasy==
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===Transportation of modern characters to fantasy universe===
[[Image:Oz-and-surrounding-countrie.jpg|right|thumb|[[Land of Oz|Oz]] and its surroundings]]
It is common in fantasy for authors to find ways to bring a protagonist from "our" world to the fantasy world. Before the mid-20th century, this was most often done by hiding fantastic worlds within unknown, distant locations on Earth; peasants who seldom, if ever, traveled far from their villages could not conclusively say that it was impossible that an [[ogre]] or other fantastical beings could live an hour away. Characters in the author's world could board a ship and find themselves on a fantastic island, as [[Jonathan Swift]] does in ''[[Gulliver's Travels]]'' or in the 1949 novel ''[[Silverlock]]'' by [[John Myers Myers]], or be sucked up into a [[tornado]] and land in [[Land of Oz|Oz]]. These "[[Lost World (genre)|lost world]]" stories can be seen as geographic equivalents of a "parallel universe," as the worlds portrayed are separate from our own, and hidden to everyone except those who take the difficult journey there. The geographic "lost world" can blur into a more explicit "parallel universe" when the fantasy realm overlaps a section of the "real" world, but is much larger inside than out, as in [[Robert Holdstock]]'s novel ''[[Mythago Wood]]''.

However, increasing geographical knowledge meant that such locations had to be farther and farther off.<ref name="Lewis">{{cite book|last1=Lewis|first1=C. S.|last2=Hooper|first2=Walter|title=Of Other Worlds: Essays and Stories|year=1975|publisher=Harcourt Brace Jovanovich|location=New York|isbn=0156678977|page=[https://archive.org/details/ofotherworldsess0000lewi_o2e7/page/68 68]|url=https://archive.org/details/ofotherworldsess0000lewi_o2e7/page/68}}</ref> Perhaps influenced by ideas from science fiction, many works chose a setting that takes place in another, separate reality.<ref name="Lewis"/> As it is now not possible to reach these worlds via conventional travel, a common [[Trope (literature)|trope]] is a portal or [[Artifact (fantasy)|artifact]] that connects our world and the fantasy world together, examples being the wardrobe in [[C. S. Lewis]]' ''[[The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe]]'' or the sigil in [[James Branch Cabell]]'s ''[[The Cream of the Jest]]''.

In some cases, physical travel is not even possible, and the character in our reality travels in a dream or some other [[altered state of consciousness]]. Examples include the ''[[Dream Cycle]]'' stories by [[H. P. Lovecraft]] or the ''[[Thomas Covenant]]'' stories of [[Stephen R. Donaldson]]. Often, stories of this type have as a major theme the nature of reality itself, questioning whether the dream-world is as real as the waking world. Science fiction often employs this theme in the ideas of [[cyberspace]] and [[virtual reality]].

===Between the worlds===
[[Image:Šachovnice.jpg|thumb|right|''[[Through the Looking-Glass]]'' – and the parallel universe [[Alice (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)|Alice]] found there]]

In a few cases, the interaction between the worlds is an important element, so that the focus is not on simply the fantasy world, but on ours as well. Sometimes the intent is to let them mingle and see what would happen, such as introducing a computer programmer into a [[high fantasy]] world as seen in [[Rick Cook (writer)|Rick Cook]]'s ''[[Rick Cook (writer)|Wizardry]]'' series, while other times an attempt to keep them from mingling becomes a major plot point, such as in [[Aaron Allston]]'s ''[[Aaron Allston#Doc Sidhe|Doc Sidhe]].'' In that story, our "grim world" is paralleled by a "fair world" where the elves live and history echoes ours, where a major portion of the plot deals with preventing a change in interactions between the worlds.

===Fantasy multiverses===
The idea of a [[multiverse]] is as fertile a subject for fantasy as it is for science fiction, allowing for epic settings and superhuman protagonists. One example of an epic and far-ranging fantasy "multiverse" is that of [[Michael Moorcock]], who actually named the concept in a 1963 science fiction novel ''The Sundered Worlds''. Like many authors after him, Moorcock was inspired by the [[many worlds]] interpretation of [[quantum mechanics]], saying, "It was an idea in the air, as most of these are, and I would have come across a reference to it in ''New Scientist'' (one of my best friends was then editor) ... [or] physicist friends would have been talking about it. ... Sometimes what happens is that you are imagining these things in the context of fiction while the physicists and mathematicians are imagining them in terms of science. I suspect it is the romantic imagination working, as it often does, perfectly efficiently in both the arts and the sciences."<ref>{{cite book |last= Moorcock |first= Michael |author-link=Michael Moorcock |date=March 16, 2004 |title=Wizardry & Wild Romance: A Study of Epic Fantasy |location=Austin, Texas |publisher=Monkeybrain Books |page=88 |isbn=1932265074}}</ref>

Unlike many science-fiction interpretations, Moorcock's ''[[The Eternal Champion (novel)|Eternal Champion]]'' stories go far beyond alternative history to include [[mythology|mythic]] and [[sword and sorcery]] settings as well as worlds more similar to, or the same as, our own.

The term 'polycosmos' was coined as an alternative to 'multiverse' by the author and editor [[Paul le Page Barnett]] (also known by the pseudonym John Grant), and is built from [[Greek language|Greek]] rather than [[Latin]] [[morpheme]]s. It is used by Barnett to describe a concept binding together a number of his works, its nature meaning that "all characters, real or fictional [...] have to co-exist in all possible real, created or dreamt worlds; [...] they're playing hugely different roles in their various manifestations, and the relationships between them can vary quite dramatically, but the essence of them remains the same."<ref>{{cite web | url=http://johngrantpaulbarnett.com/interviewLou.html | title=Interview of John Grant by Lou Anders for Infinity Plus }}</ref>

===Fictional universe as alternative universe===
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There are many examples of the [[meta-fiction]]al idea of having the author's created universe (or any author's universe) rise to the same level of "reality" as the universe we're familiar with. The theme is present in works as diverse as H. G. Wells' ''[[Men Like Gods]]'', Myers' ''Silverlock'', and Heinlein's ''Number of the Beast''. [[Fletcher Pratt]] and [[L. Sprague de Camp]] took the protagonist of the [[Harold Shea]] series through the worlds of Norse myth, [[Edmund Spenser]]'s ''[[The Faerie Queene]]'', [[Ludovico Ariosto]]'s ''[[Orlando Furioso]]'', and the ''[[Kalevala]]''<ref>{{cite book|last1=Moorcock|first1=Michael|title=Wizardry & Wild Romance: A Study of Epic Fantasy|year=2004|publisher=MonkeyBrain|location=Austin, Texas|isbn=1932265074|page=88|edition=Revised}}</ref> – without ever quite settling whether writers created these parallel worlds by writing these works, or received impressions from the worlds and wrote them down. In an interlude set in "[[Kubla Khan|Xanadu]]", a character claims that the universe is dangerous because the poem went unfinished, but whether this was his misapprehension or not is not established.

Some fictional approaches definitively establish the independence of the parallel world, sometimes by having the world differ from the book's account; other approaches have works of fiction create and affect the parallel world: [[L. Sprague de Camp]]'s ''[[Solomon's Stone]]'', taking place on an astral plane, is populated by the daydreams of mundane people, and in Rebecca Lickiss's ''Eccentric Circles'', an elf is grateful to [[Tolkien]] for transforming elves from dainty little creatures. These stories often place the author, or authors in general, in the same position as Zelazny's characters in Amber. Questioning, in a literal fashion, if writing is an act of creating a new world, or an act of discovery of a pre-existing world.

Occasionally, this approach becomes self-referential, treating the literary universe of the work itself as explicitly parallel to the universe where the work was created. [[Stephen King]]'s seven-volume ''[[The Dark Tower (series)|Dark Tower]]'' series hinges upon the existence of multiple parallel worlds, many of which are King's own literary creations. Ultimately the characters become aware that they are only "real" in King's literary universe (this can be debated as an example of [[breaking the fourth wall]]), and even travel to a world – twice – in which (again, within the novel) they meet Stephen King and alter events in the real Stephen King's world outside of the books. An early instance of this was in works by [[Gardner Fox]] for DC Comics in the 1960s, in which characters from the Golden Age (which was supposed to be a series of comic books within the DC Comics universe) would cross over into the main DC Comics universe. One comic book did provide an explanation for a fictional universe existing as a parallel universe. The parallel world does "exist" and it resonates into the "real world". Some people in the "real world" pick up on this resonance, gaining information about the parallel world which they then use  to write stories.

[[Robert Heinlein]] introduces an extension of his [[Future History (Heinlein)|''Future History'']] series called ''The World as Myth''. In ''[[The Number of the Beast (novel)|The Number of the Beast]]'', Heinlein quantizes that the many parallel, fictional universes – in terms of works of fiction. He postulates that ''all'' fictional universes are accessible by the "time twister" in the air vehicle named the ''Gay Deceiver''. Heinlein also "[[breaks the fourth wall]]" by having both Robert and his wife [[Virginia Heinlein|Virginia]] visit an inter-universal science-fiction-and-fantasy convention in the book's last chapter.{{citation needed|date=March 2024}}

Heinlein continues this literary conceit in ''[[The Cat Who Walks Through Walls]]'' and ''[[To Sail Beyond the Sunset]]'', using characters from throughout his science-fictional career, hauled forth from their own fictional universe. Heinlein also wrote a stand-alone novel, ''[[Job: A Comedy of Justice]]'', whose two protagonists fall from alternative universe into alternative universe and after a number of such adventures die and enter a stereotypically [[Christian fundamentalism|Fundamentalist Christian]] Heaven (with many of its internal contradictions explored in the novel).{{citation needed|date=March 2024}}

===Elfland===
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[[Álfheim|Elfland]], or Faerie, the otherworldly home not only of [[Elf|elves]] and [[Fairy|fairies]] but [[goblin]]s, [[troll]]s, and other folkloric creatures, has an ambiguous appearance in folklore.

On one hand, the land often appears to be contiguous with 'ordinary' land. [[Thomas the Rhymer]] might, on being taken by the Queen of Faerie, be taken on a road like one leading to Heaven or Hell.

This is not exclusive to English or French folklore. In [[Norse mythology]], Elfland ([[Alfheim]]) was also the name of what today is the Swedish province of [[Bohuslän]]. In the sagas, it said that the people of this petty kingdom were more beautiful than other people, as they were related to the [[elves]], showing that not only the territory was associated with elves, but also the race of its people.

While sometimes folklore seems to show fairy intrusion into human lands – "[[Tam Lin]]" does not show any otherworldly aspects about the land in which the confrontation takes place – at other times the otherworldly aspects are clear. Most frequently, time can flow differently for those trapped by the fairy dance than in the lands they come from; although, in an additional complication, it may only be an appearance, as many returning from Faerie, such as [[Oisín]], have found that time "catches up" with them as soon as they have contact with ordinary lands.

Fantasy writers have taken up the ambiguity. Some writers depict the land of the elves as a full-blown parallel universe, with portals the only entry – as in [[Josepha Sherman]]'s [[Josepha Sherman#Prince of the Sidhe|Prince of the Sidhe]] series or [[Esther Friesner]]'s ''[[Elf Defense]]'' – and others have depicted it as the next land over, possibly difficult to reach for magical reasons – [[Hope Mirrlees]]'s ''[[Lud-in-the-Mist]]'', or [[Lord Dunsany]]'s ''[[The King of Elfland's Daughter]]''. In some cases, the boundary between Elfland and more ordinary lands is not fixed. Not only the inhabitants but Faerie itself can pour into more mundane regions. [[Terry Pratchett]]'s ''[[Discworld]]'' series proposes that the world of the Elves is a "parasite" universe, that drifts between and latches onto others such as Discworld and our own world (referred to as "Roundworld" in the novels). In the young teenage book ''[[Mist (James novel)|Mist]]'' by [[Kathryn James]], the Elven world lies through a patch of mist in the woods. It was constructed when the Elven were thrown out of our world. Travel to and fro is possible by those in the know, but can have lethal consequences.

===Isekai===
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[[Isekai]] is a subgenre of Japanese fantasy light novels, manga, anime, and video games revolving around a normal person being transported to or trapped in a parallel universe. Often, this universe already exists in the protagonist's world as a fictional universe, but it may also be unbeknownst to them.

==Films==
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The most famous treatment of the alternative universe concept in film could be considered ''[[The Wizard of Oz (1939 film)|The Wizard of Oz]]'', which portrays a parallel world, famously separating the magical realm of the [[Land of Oz]] from the mundane world by filming it in [[Technicolor]] while filming the scenes set in [[Kansas]] in [[sepia tone|sepia]].

In Frank Capra's 1946 Christmas classic, ''[[It's a Wonderful Life]]'', George Bailey makes a wish that he had never existed, which an angel, Clarence, asks God to grant to teach George how important his life really is; he is about to be arrested for fraud in relation to money having gone missing from the bank he runs. He gets to see what his gentle sleepy town would be like if he never lived, including the death of his brother Harry at a young age, which in turn results in many troops dying in a kamikaze attack, whom Harry would have saved if George was around to save Harry.

At times, alternative universes have been featured in small scale independent productions such as Kevin Brownlow and Andrew Mollo's ''[[It Happened Here]]'' (1964), featuring an alternative United Kingdom which had undergone [[Operation Sea Lion]] in 1940 and had been defeated and occupied by [[Nazi Germany]]. It focused on moral questions related to the professional ethics of Pauline, a nurse forced into Nazi collaboration.

Another common use of the theme is as a prison for [[villain]]s or [[demons]]. The idea is used in the first two ''[[Superman (1978 film)|Superman]]'' movies starring [[Christopher Reeve]] where [[Krypton (comics)|Kryptonian]] villains were sentenced to the [[Phantom Zone]] from where they eventually escaped. An almost exactly parallel use of the idea is presented in the film ''[[The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension]]'', where the "8th dimension" is essentially a "phantom zone" used to imprison the villainous Red Lectroids. Uses in horror films include the 1986 film ''[[From Beyond (film)|From Beyond]]'' (based on the [[H. P. Lovecraft]] [[From Beyond (short story)|story]] of the same name) where a scientific experiment induces the experimenters to perceive [[extraterrestrial life in popular culture|aliens]] from a parallel universe, with bad results. The 1987 [[John Carpenter]] film ''[[Prince of Darkness (film)|Prince of Darkness]]'' is based on the premise that the essence of a being described as [[Satan]], trapped in a glass canister and found in an abandoned church in Los Angeles, is actually an alien being that is the 'son' of something even more evil and powerful, trapped in another universe. The protagonists accidentally free the creature, who then attempts to release his "father" by reaching in through a [[mirror]].
In ''[[Event Horizon (film)|Event Horizon]]'' (1997), directed by [[Paul W. S. Anderson]], a space ship accidentally travels to another dimension (implied to be [[hell]]), turning the crew insane and driving them to kill each other.

Some films present parallel realities that are actually different contrasting versions of the narrative itself. Commonly this motif is presented as different points of view revolving around a central (but sometimes unknowable) "truth", the seminal example being [[Akira Kurosawa]]'s ''[[Rashomon]]''. Conversely, often in [[film noir]] and [[crime film|crime dramas]], the alternative narrative is a fiction created by a central character, intentionally – as in ''[[The Usual Suspects]]'' – or unintentionally – as in ''[[Angel Heart]]''. Less often, the alternative narratives are given equal weight in the story, making them truly alternative universes, such as in the German film ''[[Run Lola Run]]'', the short-lived British [[West End theatre|West End]] musical ''[[Our House (musical)|Our House]]'' and the British film ''[[Sliding Doors]]''.

More recent films that have explicitly explored parallel universes are: the 2000 film ''[[The Family Man]]'', the 2001 [[cult film]] ''[[Donnie Darko]]'', which deals with what it terms a "tangent universe" that erupts from our own universe; ''[[Super Mario Bros. (film)|Super Mario Bros.]]'' (1993) has the eponymous heroes cross over into a parallel universe ruled by humanoids who evolved from dinosaurs; ''[[The One (2001 film)|The One]]'' (2001) starring [[Jet Li]], in which there is a complex system of realities in which Jet Li's character is a police officer in one universe and a [[serial killer]] in another, who travels to other universes to destroy versions of himself, so that he can take their energy; and ''[[FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions]]'' (2004), the main character runs away from a totalitarian nightmare, and he enters into a cyber-afterlife alternative reality. The current ''[[Star Trek (2009 film)|Star Trek]]'' films are set in an alternative universe created by the first film's villain traveling back in time, thus allowing the franchise to be [[reboot (fiction)|rebooted]] without affecting the continuity of any other ''Star Trek'' film or show. The 2011 science-fiction thriller ''[[Source Code]]'' employs the concepts of quantum reality and parallel universes. The characters in ''[[The Cloverfield Paradox]]'', the third installment of the [[Cloverfield (franchise)|franchise]], accidentally create a ripple in the time-space continuum and travel into an alternative universe, where the [[Clover (creature)|monster]] and the events in the [[Cloverfield (film)|first film]] transpired. This concept has been also been passively depicted in the view of a romantic couple in the Indian Tamil Film [[Irandam Ulagam]].
In the 2000 film ''[[The Beach (film)|The Beach]],'' Leonardo DiCaprio's character Richard, while sitting on the beach with love interest Françoise ([[Virginie Ledoyen]]), describes the utopia they have found in Thailand as their own parallel universe.

Following its introduction in the film ''[[Doctor Strange (2016 film)|Doctor Strange]]'', the [[Multiverse (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|multiverse]] became central to the [[Multiverse Saga]] series of superhero films in the [[Marvel Cinematic Universe]], being depicted in ''[[Avengers: Endgame]]'', ''[[Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings]]'', ''[[Spider-Man: No Way Home]]'', ''[[Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness]]'', and ''[[Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania]]''. This series of universes overlaps or encompasses with universes depicted in [[Sony's Spider-Man Universe]] and the animated ''[[Spider-Verse (franchise)|Spider-Verse]]'' franchise.

The success of Marvel's Multiverse Saga, particularly ''Avengers: Endgame'' in 2019, led to a noticeable rise in the popularity of multiverses and shared universes in films of the early 2020s, predominantly for [[superhero film]]s but also in Hollywood more broadly. Notable examples include the aforementioned ''Spider-Verse'' franchise, 2022's Academy Award-winning ''[[Everything Everywhere All at Once]]'', the [[DC Extended Universe]] film ''[[The Flash (film)|The Flash]]'', and ''[[Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: Once & Always]]''.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://screenrant.com/power-rangers-shared-universe-endgame-shattered-grid/|title=Power Rangers' Shared Universe Could Begin With Its Endgame|first=Cooper|last=Hood|date=18 January 2021|website=ScreenRant}}</ref><ref>'{{Cite magazine|url=https://time.com/6169255/cinematic-multiverse-list/|title=A Guide to All the Major Cinematic Multiverses|date=27 April 2022|magazine=TIME}}</ref> Some filmmakers and critics, including ''Endgame'' co-director [[Joe Russo (director)|Joe Russo]], have expressed concern that film studios may be embracing multiverse-centric plotlines to capitalize on characters and intellectual property with pre-existing popularity, ultimately to the detriment of originality and creativity in filmmaking.<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/avengers-endgame-director-joe-russo-warns-of-multiverse-oversaturation | title='Avengers: Endgame' co-director Joe Russo warns multiverse could be too much of a good thing | date=24 February 2022 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite magazine|url=https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/11/07/is-the-multiverse-where-originality-goes-to-die|title=Is the Multiverse Where Originality Goes to Die?|first=Stephanie|last=Burt|magazine=The New Yorker |date=31 October 2022|via=www.newyorker.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2023/11/14/we-truly-are-living-in-a-multiverse-of-madness-and-it-needs-to-stop/|title=The Madness Of The Multiverse: How Infinite Universes Are Killing The Superhero Genre|first=Erik|last=Kain|website=Forbes}}</ref>

== Television ==
The idea of parallel universes has received treatment in a number of television series, usually as a single story or episode in a more general science fiction or fantasy storyline.

* The 1990s TV series ''[[Sliders (TV series)|Sliders]]'' depicts a group of adventurers visiting assorted parallel universes, as they attempt to find their "home" universe. Included in the 1st season is a universe where the world is stuck in the ice age, with no life anywhere. Another episode includes 'Honest Abe' never to be president, in which the United States loses World War I and World War II, and they are controlled by a senator, and technology is at an all-time low.
* One of the earliest television plots to feature parallel time (outside of the Twilight Zone) was a 1970 storyline on the soap opera ''[[Dark Shadows]]''. Vampire Barnabas Collins found a room in Collinwood which served as a portal to parallel time, and he entered the room in an attempt to escape from his current problems. A year later, the show again traveled to parallel time, the setting this time being 1841.
* A well known and often imitated example is the 1967 original ''[[Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' episode entitled "[[Mirror, Mirror (Star Trek: The Original Series)|Mirror, Mirror]]". The episode introduced an [[Mirror Universe|alternative version of the ''Star Trek'' universe]] where the main characters were barbaric and cruel to the point of being [[evil twin]]s. When the parallel universe concept is [[parody|parodied]], the allusion is often to this episode. An earlier episode for the ''Trek'' series first hinted at the potential of differing reality planes (and their occupants), titled "[[The Alternative Factor]]". A mad scientist from "our" universe, named Lazarus B., hunts down the sane Lazarus A.; resident of an [[antimatter]]-comprised continuum. His counterpart, in a state of paranoia, claims the double threatens his and the very cosmos' existence. With help from Captain [[James T. Kirk|Kirk]], A traps B along with him in a "anti"-universe, for eternity, thus bringing balance to both [[matter]]-oriented realms. A similar plot was used in the ''Codename: Kids Next Door'' episode Operation: P.O.O.L..
* The mirror universe of ''Star Trek'' was further developed by later series in the franchise. In several episodes of ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'', the later evolution of the mirror universe is explored. A two-part episode of ''[[Star Trek: Enterprise]]'', entitled "[[In a Mirror, Darkly]]", serves as a prequel, introducing the early developments of the Mirror Universe.
* In the 1970s young adult British SF series [[The Tomorrow People|''The Tomorrow People'']], its second-season episode, ''A Rift in Time'' (March–April 1974) pitted the three telepath core characters and allies against time travelling interlopers from an alternative history where the [[Roman Empire]] developed the [[steam engine]] in the first century CE, had a technological head start, did not fragment during the fifth century and underwent accelerated technological development. The Roman eagle standard was planted on the Moon in the fifth century and by its alternative twentieth century, it had mastered interstellar travel, had a galactic empire and time travel. Consequently, the Tomorrow People had to rectify this aberrant timeline by dismantling and disabling the anomalous steam engine.
* Multiple episodes of ''[[Red Dwarf]]'' use the concept. In "Parallel Universe" the crew meet alternative versions of themselves: the analogues of Lister, Rimmer and Holly are female, while the Cat's alternative is a dog. "Dimension Jump" introduces a heroic alternative [[Ace Rimmer|Rimmer]], a version of whom reappears in "Stoke Me a Clipper". The next episode, "Ouroboros", makes contact with a timeline in which Kochanski, rather than Lister, was the sole survivor of the original disaster; this alternative Kochanski then joins the crew for the remaining episodes.
* In ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' episode "[[The Wish (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)|The Wish]]", [[Cordelia Chase]] inadvertently creates an alternate reality in which Buffy never moved from Los Angeles to Sunnydale, allowing vampires to dominate the town openly and turn her core-universe allies [[Xander Harris]] and [[Willow Rosenberg]] into vampires. [[Doppelgangland|Later]], that world's vampire version of Willow is accidentally brought into the core world.
* The plot of the [[Charmed (season 4)|season four]] episode of ''[[Charmed]]'', entitled "Brain Drain", features [[The Source (Charmed)|The Source of All Evil]] kidnapping Piper Halliwell and forcing her into a deep coma, where she experiences an alternative reality in which the Halliwell manor is actually a mental institution. She and her sisters serve as patients in this universe, their powers only a manifestation of their minds, a ruse put up to trick Piper into willingly relinquishing the sisters' magic.
* The [[Stargate|''Stargate'' franchise]] includes many stories in which alternate timelines, alternate dimensions and alternate realities are explored. These include the ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'' episodes "There But For the Grace of God", "Point of View", "Crystal Skull", "2010", "[[Moebius (Stargate SG-1)|Moebius]]" parts 1 and 2, "Babylon", "Ripple Effect", "Arthur's Mantle", "The Road Not Taken", "[[Unending]]" and the [[direct-to-DVD]] movie ''[[Stargate: Continuum]]'', the ''[[Stargate Atlantis]]'' episodes "Before I Sleep", "McKay and Mrs. Miller", "The Last Man", "[[The Daedalus Variations]]", "Vegas" and "[[Enemy at the Gate (Stargate Atlantis)|Enemy at the Gate]]", and the ''[[Stargate Universe]]'' episodes "Time", "Twin Destinies", "Common Descent" and "Epilogue".
* The animated series, ''[[Futurama]]'', had [[The Farnsworth Parabox|an episode]] where the characters travel between "Universe 1" and "Universe A (also known as universe Γ)" via boxes containing each universe; and one of the major jokes is an extended argument between the two sets of characters over which set were the "evil" ones. They also had another episode where they travel to the edge of the universe and in the distance was the cowboy universe where everyone was dressed as cowboys. It was accidentally invented by [[Professor Farnsworth]].
* The idea of a parallel universe and the concept of [[déjà vu]] was a major plot line of the first-season finale of ''[[Fringe (TV series)|Fringe]]'', guest-starring [[Leonard Nimoy]] of ''[[Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]''. The show has gone on to feature the parallel universe prominently.
* In the 2010 season of ''[[Lost (2004 TV series)|Lost]]'', the result of characters traveling back in time to prevent the crash of Oceanic Flight 815 apparently creates a parallel reality in which the Flight never crashed, rather than resetting time itself in the characters' original timeline. The show continued to show two "sets" of the characters following different destinies, until it was revealed in the series finale that there was really only one reality created by the characters themselves to assist themselves in leaving behind the physical world and passing on to an afterlife after their respective deaths.
* In the [[anime]] and [[manga]] series of ''[[Dragon Ball Z]]'', in the Androids Saga, Future Trunks returns to the past to give Goku medicine to prevent him from dying of a heart disease and warns him of the Androids, in the process creating a timeline split of parallel realities. This event leads to the appearance of Cell, who kills the same Future Trunks after he originally returns from the past of and kills the Androids via a remote control in his own timeline. Cell does this to go to the main timeline of the series when the Androids are still alive for him to absorb. Back in the same past the series follows, Future Trunks discovers the existence of the time machine Cell stole in the original future reality, leading him to make the decision to stay in past instead. This creates a parallel reality for his own future timeline where he is physically capable of killing both the Androids and Cell once he returns after the events of the Cell Saga.
** Its sequel, ''[[Dragon Ball Super]]'', later features separate universes that are in pairs whose numbers add up to the total number of the universe: 12 in this case. Previously there were 18 universes, but Zeno (the supreme ruler of the Dragon Ball Multiverse) destroyed 6 of them in a fit of rage. Previously, Daizenshuu 7 stated that the typical Dragon Ball Universe had only 4 galaxies, but ''Dragon Ball Super'' effectively retcons this, where Whis says that the universe contains endless galaxies.
**The spin-off series ''[[Super Dragon Ball Heroes (web series)|Super Dragon Ball Heroes]]'' features alternate versions of the main characters who protect the flow of time as part of the "Time Patrol". They usually have the "Xeno" moniker in addition to their names (e.g. Goku Xeno, Vegeta Xeno, Trunks Xeno, etc.).
* The anime ''[[Turn A Gundam]]'' attempted to combine all the parallel [[Gundam]] universes (other incarnations of the series, with similar themes but differing stories and characters, that had played out at different times since the debut of the concept in the 1970s) of the [[metaseries]] into one single reality.
* The anime and manga series ''[[Eureka Seven: AO]]'' takes place in a parallel universe that is different from the one in the series' predecessor ''[[Eureka Seven]]''. The ''E7'' series started off in the year 12005, and the ''AO'' world, which takes place in the year 2025, would be the home of the two main characters' son.
* The anime and manga series ''[[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!]]'' by Akira Amano features this idea in its third main arc, known as Future arc.
* The anime ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' features a parallel world in one of the final episodes. This parallel world is a sharp contrast to the harsh, dark "reality" of the show and presents a world where all the characters enjoy a much happier life. This parallel world would become the basis for the new Evangelion manga series ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion: Angelic Days|Angelic Days]]''.
* The anime series ''[[Bakugan]]'' features a parallel universe called Vestroia and is the homeworld of fantastic creatures called Bakugan. The series' hero Dan Kuso alongside his friends and teammates must save Earth and Vestroia from total destruction. Season 2 & 3 feature another universe where Dan and his team save the day. They go to another dimension or universe through a pathway. The other universe has also other life forms and other types of technology.
* In another anime series, ''[[Digimon]]'', there is a parallel universe called "digital world". The show's child protagonists meet digital monsters, or digimon, from this world and become partners and friends. In the third story arc of ''[[Digimon Fusion]]'', the Clockmaker (who is later revealed to be Bagramon) and his partner Clockmon travel through space-time to recruit heroes from previous series so they can help the Fusion Fighters to defeat Quartzmon before DigiQuartz can absorb each human and digital world in the multiverse.
* In the anime series ''[[Umineko no Naku Koro ni]]'' the rounds of the battle between Battler and Beatrice take place in different dimensions, to show all kinds of possibilities (much to Battler's dismay) also the character Bernkastel is known for her ability to travel into different worlds by the usage of "fragments".
* In the ''[[Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' episode "[[Parallels (Star Trek: The Next Generation)|Parallels]]", Lt. [[Worf]] traveled to several parallel universes when his shuttlecraft went through a time space fissure.
* The ''[[Community (TV series)|Community]]'' episode [[Remedial Chaos Theory]], six different timelines and one "prime" timeline are explored, each having a different outcome based on which member of the study group goes to get the [[pizza]]. One timeline, dubbed the "Darkest Timeline", results in the greatest amount of terrible incidents and ends with Abed donning a felt goatee bearing resemblance to Spock's in "Mirror, Mirror".
* In the 2003 anime series of ''[[Fullmetal Alchemist (TV series)|Fullmetal Alchemist]]'', there exists a gateway that can be conjured by alchemists that acts as a source of all knowledge and energy; towards the end of the series, it is revealed that this gateway connects the world of the anime with the real world, set during the first decades of the 20th century. It is revealed that the two worlds shared a common history until their histories [[Point of divergence|diverged]], apparently due to the success of alchemy in one world and that of modern physics in the other.

===As an ongoing subplot===
Sometimes a television series will use parallel universes as an ongoing subplot. ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'', ''[[Star Trek: Enterprise]]'' and ''[[Star Trek: Discovery]]'' elaborated on the premise of the original series' "Mirror" universe and developed multi-episode story arcs based on the premise. Other examples are the science fiction series ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'', the fantasy/horror series ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'', ''[[Supernatural (American TV series)|Supernatural]]'' and the romance/fantasy ''[[Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman]]''.

Following the precedent set by ''Star Trek'', these story arcs show alternative universes that have turned out "worse" than the "original" universe: in ''Stargate SG-1'' the first two encountered parallel realities featured Earth being overwhelmed by an unstoppable [[Goa'uld]] onslaught; in ''Buffy'', two episodes concern a timeline in which Buffy came to [[Sunnydale]] too late to stop the vampires from taking control; ''Lois & Clark'' repeatedly visits an alternative universe where [[Clark Kent]]'s adoptive parents, [[Jonathan and Martha Kent]], died when he was ten years of age, and [[Lois Lane]] is also apparently dead. Clark eventually becomes Superman, with help from the "original" Lois Lane, but he is immediately revealed as Clark Kent and so has no life of his own.

In addition to following ''Star Trek's'' lead, showing the "evil" variants of the main storyline gives the writers an opportunity to show what is at stake by portraying the worst that could happen and the consequences if the protagonists fail or the importance of a character's presence.

''[[Once Upon a Time (TV series)|Once Upon a Time]]'' often talks about alternative realms or universes in which all different forms of magic, and non-magic may occur, depending on the realm. According to the Mad Hatter (Sebastian Stan), they "touch each other in a long line of lands, each just as real as the last". He referred to our world's tendency to deny such things as arrogant.

In the season 1 finale of ''[[The Flash (2014 TV series)|The Flash]]'', the [[Eobard Thawne|Reverse-Flash]] opens a singularity that connects his world to a parallel universe called Earth-2. In the second season, [[Barry Allen (Arrowverse)|The Flash]] starts facing villains from that earth who also have doppelgangers on Earth-1 sent by [[Zoom (comics)|Zoom]]. The array of Earth-2 villains consists of [[Albert Rothstein|Atom Smasher]], Sand Demon, [[King Shark]], and [[Doctor Light (Kimiyo Hoshi)|Dr. Light]]; all are sent by Zoom to kill The Flash with the assurance of being taken back home. However, they are not the only ones who arrive from the singularity; this also includes the [[Flash (Jay Garrick)|Earth-2 Flash]] after a close death and loss of speed from a confrontation with Zoom. When the Earth-2 Flash (called Jay Garrick) introduces himself to Team Flash, Barry (The Flash) distrusts him at first and places him in the metahuman pipeline at [[S.T.A.R. Labs]]. When The Flash starts having a hard time facing off against Sand Demon, he frees Jay so that he could help him as well as train him in his speed. With a new trick taught by Jay, Barry defeats Sand Demon. Later on, the Earth-2 counterpart of [[Harrison Wells]], arrives on Earth-1 as well. He steals a weapon from Mercury Labs and saves Barry from the Earth-2 King Shark. When Jay confronts and sees Wells again, the argument gets heated between them before Barry intercedes. Up until season 7, a new version of Wells was featured every season.

===Television series involving parallel universes===
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There have been a few series where parallel universes were central to the series itself.
* ''[[The Fantastic Journey]]'', in which several travellers lost in the Bermuda Triangle find themselves in another world
* ''[[Otherworld (TV series)|Otherworld]]'', in which a family gets trapped in an alternative world after becoming stuck in the interior of the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] during a conjunction of the planets which takes place once in ten thousand years
* ''[[Spellbinder (TV series)|Spellbinder]]'' in which a [[Sydney]] high-schooler becomes stranded in an alternative world where the [[industrial revolution]] never occurred; while the first thirteen episodes focus on the central character's attempt to return to his universe, those remaining thirteen focus on him sending a character he brought with him back to her world
* ''[[Spellbinder: Land of the Dragon Lord]]'' is a sequel series to Spellbinder where a teenage girl becomes stranded in another world with her family following her to all then discover it sits side by side with other alternative universes
* ''[[Sliders (TV series)|Sliders]]'', where a young man invents a worm-hole generator that allows travel to "alternative" Earths. Several characters travel across a series of "alternative" Earths, trying to get back to their home universe
* ''[[Parallax (TV series)|Parallax]]'', in which a boy discovers portals to multiple parallel universes in his home town
* ''[[The Midnight Gospel]]'', in which Clancy Gilroy, a spacecaster travelling through planets to interview guests for his spacecast within his simulator.
* ''[[Charlie Jade]]'', in which the titular character is accidentally thrown into our universe and is looking for a way back to his own. The series features three universes – alpha, beta and gamma
* ''[[Awake (TV series)|Awake]]'', where a man switches between realities whenever he goes to sleep: one in which his wife survived a car accident that killed their son, and one in which his son survived but his wife died
* In the TV series ''[[Fringe (TV series)|Fringe]]'', a main element of the series is the loss of balance and the eventual collision of two universes and the moral ramifications of it. Most main characters have a doppelganger who is usually slightly different from their prime selves.
* In the South Korean Drama ''[[Dr. Jin]]'' (2012), the concept of parallel universes was used. A doctor travels into the past, specifically, the Joseon era, and this results in major changes in history.
* ''[[Rick and Morty]]'', in which there is an infinite number of realities and universes.
* ''[[Stranger Things]]'', in which a small town becomes home to a gateway between dimensions.
* ''[[The Flash (2014 TV series)|The Flash]]'', in which Barry Allen travels to multiple parallel universes in the multiverse with the help of his super speed.
* ''[[Supernatural (U.S. TV series)|Supernatural]]'', in which several episodes deal with parallel universes, particularly [[Supernatural (season 13)|the thirteenth season]] which features storylines centering around parallel universes known as Apocalypse World and The Bad Place which appears in the [[backdoor pilot]] to the proposed spinoff ''Supernatural: Wayward Sisters''. Apocalypse World is depicted as a dark post-apocalyptic universe where ''Supernatural's'' main protagonists [[Sam Winchester|Sam]] and [[Dean Winchester]] were never born and thus could not stop the end of the world.
* ''[[Doctor Who]]'', in which a crack between two parallel universes opens up during the Rose Tyler plot. In which her Father still lives, however, the Cybermen control the parallel earth and pass through to ours.
* ''[[The Man in the High Castle (TV series)|The Man in the High Castle]]'', where in a parallel universe [[Nazism|Nazis]] have won [[World War II]], based on the novel by [[Philip K. Dick]].
* ''[[The King: Eternal Monarch]]'', in which the country of Korea is unified as a single kingdom in a parallel reality to the Koreas being separated. The two lead characters travel between their respective realities, one from the Republic of South Korea, the other being the aforementioned king.
* ''[[Dark (TV series)|Dark]]'', where (previous) existence of an original world was revealed only in the last (third) season. Original world there was destroyed/split into two parallel ones by a genius scientist in pain, because his son's family was lost in an accident and he desperately wanted them back alive. Each of two worlds has their own protagonists group (Sic Mundus Creatus Est vs Erit Lux) fighting for a supremacy of time travel, available in three flavours: via a local cave, swirling blob of [[God Particle]]s and portable drones.
* ''[[The OA]]'', in which characters discover parallel universes and attempt to travel to them.
* ''[[Amphibia (TV series)|Amphibia]]'', the main character [[Anne Boonchuy]] along with her friends Sasha Waybright and Marcy Wu are transported to the kingdom of Amphibia. ''[[The Owl House]]'', where the main character [[Luz Noceda]] follows a magic door to the Boiling Isles, is confirmed to share the same universe and multiverse as ''Amphibia'' in the Season 2 finale, "[[King's Tide]]".
* ''[[What If...? (TV series)|What If...?]]'', based on the [[Marvel Comics]] [[What If (comics)|series of the same name]], which explores how the [[Marvel Cinematic Universe]] might have unfolded if key moments in its history had occurred differently.
*''[[Koala Man]]'' takes place in an alternate universe where the wreck of the Titanic never happened, indirectly resulting in the United States of America being destroyed (except Hollywood becoming an island), Australia becoming the world's superpower, and Nicole Kidman becoming its Queen
*''[[Counterpart (TV series)|Counterpart]]'' (2017–2019), in which the central premise revolves around the growing tension between rival intelligence agencies in two present day versions of Earth that diverged in 1987, following a research lab accident that created a portal in Berlin, that is now heavily guarded and can be used to communicate and move between the two parallel worlds.

== Books ==
The ''Wolves Chronicles'' by [[Joan Aiken]] are a series of Children's literature novels set during an [[alternative history]] where the [[channel tunnel]] was completed during the [[Napoleonic Wars]] and used by several subspecies of Canis Lupis made up of [[Steppe wolf]], [[Eurasian wolf]], [[Tundra wolf]] and even [[Mongolian wolf]] and [[Italian wolf]] to use it to [[Animal migration|migrate]] out of scarceness of food and [[Wolf hunting|pelt collecting]] to England. So in a parallel early 19th century during the reign of the fictional King James the Third the wolves have evolved to resemble the [[Florida black wolf]] and are a constant presence in the background of all these characters in the stories, particularly the child protagonists in which those particular tales focus on.

''Time Echoes Trilogy'' by Bryan Davis addresses the idea of parallel worlds as it delves into a plot in which the main character travels between three different "earths" each moving at a different speed of time so one earth is 20 years in the past while another one is 10 minutes into the future when compared to the earth from which the character exists.

''Overstrike'' by C. M. Angus features high-functioning schizophrenics with the ability to simultaneously perceive multiple realities.

Some later retellings of ''[[Peter Pan]]'' feature alternative versions to those characters (and locations) created by [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]], transplanted into a alternate reality. Among these parallel Peter Pan interpretations are: ''Tigerheart'', ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'', ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers'' (and serials) ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'', ''Nevermor'' and ''Everland''.

==Comic books==
Parallel universes in modern comics have become particularly rich and complex, in large part due to the continual problem of [[continuity (fiction)|continuity]] faced by the major two publishers, [[Marvel Comics]] and [[DC Comics]]. The two publishers have used the [[multiverse]] concept to fix problems arising from integrating characters from other publishers into their own canon, and from having major [[Serial (literature)|serial]] protagonists with continuous histories lasting, as in the case of [[Superman]], over 70 years. Additionally, both publishers have used new alternative universes to re-imagine their own characters. (See ''[[Multiverse (DC Comics)]]'' and ''[[Multiverse (Marvel Comics)]]'') DC's ''Michael Moorcock's Multiverse'' collected 12 issues in 1999 with an introduction by Moorcock which offered a sophisticated description of his rationale.

[[DC Comics]] inaugurated its multiverse in the early 1960s, with the reintroduction of [[Golden Age]] superheroes the [[Justice Society of America]] now located on [[Earth-Two]], and devised a "mirror universe" scenario of inverted morality and supervillain domination of [[Earth-Three]] shortly afterwards, several years before ''[[Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' devised its own darker alternative universe. There was a lull before DC inaugurated additional alternative universes in the seventies, such as Earth-X, where there was an [[Axis victory in World War II]], Earth-S, home to the [[Fawcett Comics]] superheroes of the forties and fifties, such as [[Captain Marvel (DC Comics)|Captain Marvel]], and Earth-Prime, where superheroes only existed in fictional forms.

Therefore, comic books, in general, are one of the few entertainment mediums where the concept of parallel universes are a major and ongoing theme. DC in particular periodically revisits the idea in major [[Fictional crossover|crossover]] storylines, such as ''[[Crisis on Infinite Earths]]'' and ''[[Infinite Crisis]]'', where Marvel has a series called ''[[What If (comics)|What If...]]'' that's devoted to exploring alternative realities, which sometimes impact the "main" universe's continuity. DC's version of "What If..." is the Elseworlds imprint.

DC Comics series ''[[52 (comics)|52]]'' heralded the return of the Multiverse. ''52'' was a mega-crossover event tied to ''Infinite Crisis'' which was the sequel to the 1980s ''Crisis on Infinite Earths''. The aim was to yet again address many of the problems and confusions brought on by the Multiverse in the DCU. Now 52 Earths exist and including some Elseworld tales such as ''[[Kingdom Come (comic book)|Kingdom Come]]'', DC's [[imprint (trade name)|imprint]] [[WildStorm]] and an Earth devoted to the [[Charlton Comics]] heroes of DC. ''[[Countdown (DC Comics)|Countdown]]'' and ''Countdown Presents: The Search for [[Atom (Ray Palmer)|Ray Palmer]]'' and the ''Tales of the Multiverse'' stories expand upon this new multiverse.

Marvel has also had many large crossover events which depicted an alternative universe, many springing from events in the [[X-Men]] books, such as 1981's ''[[Days of Future Past]]'', 1995's ''[[Age of Apocalypse]]'', and 2006's ''[[House of M]]'' and 2014's ''[[Spider-Verse]]'' storyline involving [[Alternative versions of Spider-Man|alternate versions of Spider-Man]]. In addition, the [[Squadron Supreme]] is a DC inspired Marvel Universe that has been used several times, often crossing over into the mainstream Universe in the [[Avengers (comics)|Avengers]] comic. [[Exiles (Marvel Comics)|Exiles]] is an offshoot of the ''[[X-Men]]'' franchise that allows characters to hop from one alternative reality to another, leaving the original, main [[Marvel Universe]] intact. The [[Marvel UK]] line has long had multiverse stories including the [[Jaspers' Warp]] storyline of [[Captain Britain]]'s first series (it was here that the designation [[Earth-616]] was first applied to the mainstream [[Marvel Universe]]).

Marvel Comics, as of 2000, launched their most popular parallel universe, the [[Ultimate Marvel|Ultimate Universe]]. It is a smaller subline to the mainstream titles and features [[Ultimate Spider-Man]], [[Ultimate X-Men]], [[Ultimate Fantastic Four]] and the [[Ultimates]] (their "Avengers").

The graphic novel [[Watchmen]] is set in an alternative history, in 1985 where superheroes exist, the Vietnam War was won by the United States, and [[Richard Nixon]] is in his fifth term as President of the United States. The Soviet Union and the United States are still locked in an escalating "Cold War" as in our own world, but as the Soviet Union invades [[Afghanistan]] in this world and threatens Pakistan, nuclear war may be imminent.

In 1973 [[Tammy (comics)|Tammy]] published ''The Clock and Cluny Jones'', where a mysterious grandfather clock hurls bully Cluny Jones into a harsh alternative reality where she becomes the bullied. This story was reprinted in [[Misty (comics)|Misty]] annual 1985 as ''Grandfather's Clock.''

In 1978 [[Misty (comics)|Misty]] published ''The Sentinels''. The Sentinels were two crumbling apartment blocks that connected the mainstream world with an alternative reality where [[Adolf Hitler|Hitler]] conquered Britain in 1940.

In 1981 [[Jinty (comics)|Jinty]] published ''Worlds Apart.'' Six girls experience alternative worlds ruled by greed, sports-mania, vanity, crime, intellectualism, and fear. These are in fact their dream worlds becoming real after they are knocked out by a mysterious gas from a chemical tanker that crashed into their school. In 1977 Jinty also published ''Land of No Tears'' where a lame girl travels to a future world where people with things wrong with them are cruelly treated, and emotions are banned.

The parallel universe concept has also appeared prominently in the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' [[Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics)|comic series]] from [[Archie Comics]]. The first and most oft-recurring case of this is another "mirror universe" where Sonic and his various allies are evil or anti-heroic while the counterpart of the evil Dr. Robotnik is good. Another recurring universe featured in the series is a [[perpendicular]] dimension that runs through all others, known as the No Zone. The inhabitants of this universe monitor travel between the others, often stepping in with their Zone Cop police force to punish those who travel without authorization between worlds.

In more recent years, the comic has adapted the alternative dimension from the video games ''[[Sonic Rush]]'' and ''[[Sonic Rush Adventure]]'', home to Sonic's ally Blaze the Cat. The continuities seen in various other Sonic franchises also exist in the comic, most notably those based on the cartoon series ''[[Sonic Underground]]'' and ''[[Sonic X]]''. For some years, a number of other universes were also featured that parodied various popular franchises, such as [[Sailor Moon]], [[Godzilla]], and various titles from [[Marvel Comics]]. Archie has also used this concept as the basis for crossovers between Sonic and other titles that they publish, including ''[[Sabrina the Teenage Witch]]'' and ''[[Mega Man]]''.

The various [[Transformers]] comics also feature the parallel universe concept, and feature the various continuities from different branches of the franchise as parallel worlds that occasionally make contact with each other. Quite notably, the annual [[Botcon]] fan convention introduced a comic storyline that featured [[Cliffjumper]], an [[Autobot]] from the original Transformers series, entering an alternative universe where his fellow Autobots are evil and the [[Decepticons]] are good. This universe is known as the "Shattered Glass" universe, and continued on in comics and text based stories after its initial release.

==Audio drama==
[[Within the Wires]] takes place in a parallel universe in which family structures and countries have been abolished after a "Great Reckoning" has killed a large share of the world population.

In The Gray Area, the seven part serial "Paths Not Taken" takes place in an alternative universe in which [[Donald Trump]] has won a second presidential term, gay people are criminalized and arrested, and a violent authoritarian movement known as the "Thanksgiving Cleanse" has swept the nation. In addition, the main universe of the series takes place in a timeline in which [[Hillary Clinton]] won the 2016 presidential election.

Victoriocity takes place in an alternative 1887 London, where "Queen Victoria is a cyborg and a real-life architect is worshipped by a legion of laborers."<ref>[https://www.ozy.com/around-the-world/this-podcast-set-in-alternate-universe-victorian-london-will-blow-your-mind/94492/ "This Podcast Set in Alternate-Universe Victorian London Will Blow Your Mind"] Ozy, June 6, 2019</ref>

==Video games==
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* In the adventure game ''[[9: The Last Resort]]'' (1996), after resolving several mind-blowing and unique puzzles, the player gets past "The Tiki Guards"; and a door opens up to "The Void" – actually a room to another universe, which houses the entirety of space.
* ''[[Banjo-Kazooie (video game)|Banjo-Kazooie]]'' (1998) features a world called "Click Clock Wood", which has spring, summer, autumn and winter variants. The environment develops between the seasons making some areas accessible or inaccessible, and actions taken in one season affect the outcome in others.
* The first-person shooter ''[[BioShock Infinite]]'' (2013) features the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. The main character is named Booker Dewitt, an homage to physicist ''[[Bryce DeWitt]]''.
* The 2018 fighting game ''[[BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle]]'' brings together the universes in a ''[[BlazBlue]]'', ''[[Persona 4 Arena]]'', ''[[Under Night In-Birth]]'', and ''[[RWBY]]'' in a singularity called the "Phantom Field" where the characters fight over the "Keystones".
* The story of ''[[Chrono Cross]]'' (1999) centers around travel between two alternative timelines, the original or "Another World" and "Home World" which is a [[Many-worlds interpretation|branch]] created by the actions of the heroes of the game's predecessor, ''[[Chrono Trigger]]''.
*''[[City of Heroes]]'' (2004), a massively multiplayer online role-playing game, features a Player vs Player (PvP) zone called Recluse's Victory. It is an alternative future in a constant state of flux, as heroes and villains battle for the future of Earth.
* ''[[Crash Twinsanity]]'' (2004) features Crash, Cortex, and Nina traveling to the "10th dimension", which could also be a parallel universe (suggested by the theme and how everything seems to be opposite, with the presence of an "Evil Crash", and also planned to have "Good Cortex" and "Evil Coco", but they were cut during development).
* In the psychological horror point-and-click adventure game ''[[Dark Seed (video game)|Dark Seed]]'' (1992), the main character Mike Dawson discovers a parallel universe by going through his living room mirror.
* ''[[The Darkness (video game)|The Darkness]]'' (2007) pivots around a world of darkness you travel to when you die, which is occupied by World War 1 soldiers.
* ''[[EarthBound]]'' (1994) features many areas of the game that can be considered alternative dimensions. The first is an illusion created by the Mani Mani Statue that transforms the metropolis of Fourside into a bizarre neon metropolis called Moonside, filled with unusual characters and enemies. The second is Magicant, the world of Ness's subconscious that is accessed after obtaining the Eight Melodies. Finally, toward the end of the game, the protagonists arrive at the Cave to the Past, where they travel back in time to the haunting past dimension of the cave to face Giygas.
* ''[[The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion]]'' (2006) features an alternative hellish world called "Oblivion", as well as a painting you can climb into and a quest where you enter a dream world.
*''[[Fallout (franchise)|Fallout]]'' series (1997– ) takes place in a subtly different universe. For example, the ship that landed the first men on the moon in 1969 is called ''Valiant 11'', rather than [[Apollo 11]]. This universe diverged from ours after [[World War II]], which resulted in a lack of advanced computers, the Cold War, VHS, etc.
* In ''[[Final Fantasy VII Rebirth]]'' (2024), multiple alternate worlds were revealed to have been created as a result of the main cast previously defeating the Arbiter of Fate in ''[[Final Fantasy VII Remake]]''. [[Zack Fair]], the main character of ''[[Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII]]'' and [[Aerith Gainsborough|Aerith's]] first love, survived his fated showdown with the Shinra military in an alternate timeline where the Lifestream was depleted from the Planet. Zack and an alternate Aerith each fight beside the main character [[Cloud Strife]] during the end of the game.
* In [[Freedom Force (2002 video game)|''Freedom Force'']] (2002), most of the story is set in Patriot City, but a number of other locations and time periods are used, including magical realms, prehistoric times, and realms entirely removed from time and space.
*''[[Half-Life (series)|Half-Life]]'' series (1998– ) revolves heavily around alternative universes. [[Xen (half life)|Xen]] is a location in the first ''Half-Life'' game, accidentally discovered by scientists and described as a border world between dimensions, where the player must travel to stop an alien invasion. Half-Life 2 features a multidimensional empire called [[Combine (Half-Life)|The Combine]] which has successfully conquered Earth and subdued humanity, among countless other universes and species.
*''[[Heroes of the Storm]]'' (2015) takes place in the Nexus, a strange limbo of clashing universes, which collide from across space, time, and dimensions'''.''' The Nexus exists in the center of a trans-dimensional cosmic storm, which can rip worlds and universes in and out of existence, and it can also pull worlds into stability. Some of the central realms in the Nexus are examples of these points of stability. Every Realm within the Nexus has one stone called "Singularity", and only the one who achieves it through conquest can become the Realm Lord. Many powerful warriors have been sucked into the Nexus, including combatants from ''[[Warcraft]]'', ''[[StarCraft (series)|StarCraft]]'', ''[[Diablo (series)|Diablo]]'', and [[Overwatch (video game)|''Overwatch'']] universes. New combatants are constantly arriving, some of them are chosen after they died in their original reality.
*''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'' series (2002– ) features a Disney/Square Enix's ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' multiverse, in which various worlds are based on Disney films or concepts from the ''Final Fantasy'' line. The series also introduces the concept of different "Realms" corresponding to Light, Darkness, and In-Between where all of the worlds take place.
*In the [[Kirby (series)|''Kirby'']] series, some of the most prominent locations are other dimensions in the form of Another Dimension, The Mirror World, Cyberspace, Dreamscape, and much more. The ''Kirby Clash'' series of games take place in the Dream Kingdom, in a parallel universe apart from the series' primary setting of Dream Land. These games are connected to the main series' canon through the events of ''[[Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe]]''.
*The series ''[[Legacy of Kain]]'' (1996– ) is played through several realms and timelines.
* ''[[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past]]'' (1991) features a dark and twisted parallel version of [[Hyrule]] called the "Dark World". In the ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'' (1998) after the main protagonist, Link, defeats the dark lord, Ganon, he travels back in time to his childhood. This results in two alternative histories for Hyrule. In one a younger version Link travels to the land of Termina in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|Majora's Mask]]'' (2000). In the other Link is no longer present allowing Ganon to return to go on a rampage that forced the gods of Hyrule to flood the world in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|The Wind Waker]]'' (2002). There is also a scenario in which Link is killed by Ganon in the final battle, resulting in an alternative history in which Hyrule is put in an era of decline, leading to the events of ''[[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]]''.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/16596/features/zelda-timeline-explained/|title=Nintendo Feature: Zelda Timeline Explained|last1=Dutton|first1=Fred|website=Official Nintendo Magazine|publisher=Wayback Machine|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20141031155115/http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/16596/features/zelda-timeline-explained/|archive-date=31 October 2014|access-date=2 March 2015}}</ref> The ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|Majora's Mask]]'' takes place in Termina, a parallel world to [[Hyrule]]. Almost all of the characters from ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'' reappear in the game. The ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages|Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages]]'' (2001) use a similar concept to that which is used in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]]''. In those games, the player must switch between the parallel past and present worlds (Ages) and between spring, summer, autumn and winter (Seasons) to progress through the game. In the first half of ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess|Twilight Princess]]'' (2006), areas of Hyrule are veiled by the Twilight Realm. These areas are dusky and brooding in appearance, Link cannot transform out of wolf form, characters only appear as spirits that cannot be communicated with, and enemies are twilight variations of their regular forms. Otherwise, the Twilight Realm is identical to regular Hyrule.
* The world of the classic cult adventure games of ''[[The Longest Journey]]'' (1999) created by Ragnar Thornqast, along with its sequels, deals with the existence of two parallel universes – technological (Stark) and magical (Arcadia).
* ''[[Mortal Kombat 1]]'' (2023) is set in a new timeline created by [[Liu Kang]] after winning control of the Hourglass from [[Kronika (Mortal Kombat)|Kronika]] and [[Shang Tsung]] and becoming Keeper of Time in ''[[Mortal Kombat 11]]'' and its ''Aftermath'' expansion. Later in the story, it is revealed that the battle for Kronika's Hourglass in ''Mortal Kombat 11'' had led to the creation of numerous other timelines in which other characters became Keepers of Time. Characters from these timelines appear in Liu Kang's timeline by the game's climax. The game's main antagonist is Titan Shang Tsung, who hails from ''Aftermath''’s alternate ending in which he kills Liu Kang and takes the Hourglass, and later infiltrates the surviving Liu Kang's timeline disguised as Kronika to empower that timeline's Shang Tsung and [[Quan Chi]].
* ''[[Metroid Prime 2: Echoes]]'' (2004) involves a world, "Aether", having an alternative self in the, "Dark" realm, universe, or dimension. The protagonist, Samus, finds out that she just dropped into a hopeless war for the Luminoth, the dominant species of Light Aether against the Ing, the dominant species of Dark Aether. She also finds her counterpart, Dark Samus or Metroid Prime's essence inside Samus's Phazon Suit.
* In the adventure PC game ''[[Myst]]'' (1993), the unnamed protagonist travels to multiple alternative worlds through the use of special books, which describe a world within and transport the user to that world when a window on the front page is touched.
* In ''[[OtherSpace]]'' (1998), a text-based science fiction MMORPG, refugees from Earth's universe were forced to migrate to a parallel universe called "Hiverspace", whose quantum divergence occurred billions of years in the past, after damage to the time/space continuum began to tear their own universe apart.<ref>{{cite book |author=[[Wes Platt]] |title=Otherspace: Down to Earth Chronicle |year=2012 |page=139 |quote= ..."You did not 'jump' in time. You have jumped dimensions." Nix clarifies. "Hiverspace's timeline is obviously different from you own. ... Our universe, our Orion Arm, was destroyed by untold number of black holes created by a young Kamir not in control of his own powers. The rest of the Kamir gathered as many people from our universe as possible and rifted us all here. Our universe is gone, but it sound like your version of Normalspace still exists, not destroyed by some cataclysmic event. Such is similar for many others who have been brought here. You are just the newest in a long list that ever growing. But, I am not surprised that you were brought here by Kamir-influenced artifacts. In fact, I would be less surprised if you were not."}}</ref> Eventually, they were able to find a means back to a past universe whose quantum divergence from their original ones was relatively minor.
* In the role-playing game ''[[Outcast (video game)|Outcast]]'' (1999), a probe is sent to a parallel universe and is attacked by an "entity". Cutter Slade must escort a team of scientists across to the other world to retrieve and repair the damaged probe before the earth is consumed by a black hole.
* ''[[Persona 2: Eternal Punishment]]'' (2000) takes place in an alternative universe called "This Side" wherein the events of ''[[Persona 2: Innocent Sin|Innocent Sin]]'' did not take place and the characters have never met in the past.
* ''[[Persona 4]]'' (2008) features the main cast entering an alternate dimension called the TV World, which exists as part of the Collective Unconscious in the larger ''[[Megami Tensei]]'' multiverse, to find a serial killer in the town of Inaba.
*''[[Portal 2]]'' (2011), an action-adventure video game, features a game-mode entitled "Perpetual Testing Initiative" (PeTI), where a plot item features protagonist "Bendy" through thousands of different worlds of which character Cave Johnson exist in different roles entitled "The Multiverse", and the PeTI's parallel universes are different from the main ''Half-Life''/''Portal'' timeline.
* ''[[Resistance: Fall of Man]]'' (2006) is set in alternative universe where Tsarist Russia never experienced the [[Russian Revolution]] but instead became the bridgehead for an aggressive [[alien invasion]] from a species known as the "Chimera", who then proceed to overrun Western Europe, Great Britain, Canada and much of the United States, and where there has been no Second World War as a result. The events of the game and its sequels begin in its alternative 1951.
* In the [[survival horror]] video game series ''[[Silent Hill]]'' (1999– ), the town of Silent Hill fluctuates between the real world, where ''Silent Hill'' is seemingly just an ordinary tourist town, the Fog World, which is like the real world, except the town is shrouded in thick fog and is nearly uninhabited except for monsters and a few people, and a dark and dilapidated version of the town called the "Other World".
* Each Zone in ''[[Sonic CD]]'' (1993) has four variations: Past, Present, Bad Future and Good Future, each displaying some subtle and not-so subtle alterations. The series has also seen alternative dimensions, and parallel universes in the case of the ''[[Sonic Rush]]'' (2005), in which [[Sonic the Hedgehog (character)|Sonic]] encounters a hero from another world named Blaze the Cat whose nemesis is an alternative counterpart of his own foe, Dr. Eggman. The ''Sonic'' series of Sonic The Hedgehog 2006, Generations And Rivals also makes use of the concept of Wormholes, and alternative timelines.
* ''[[Sudeki]]'' (2004) is set in a realm of light and a parallel realm of darkness.
* ''[[Super Mario 64]]'' (1996) features a world called "Tiny Huge Island" which has two variants: one scaled up, the other scaled down. The player can only access certain parts of the level to obtain certain stars depending on which variant they are into. The two variants can be switched between via portals in the world.
* ''[[Super Mario Bros. 2]]'' (1988) features a "Magic Potion" item that when used, creates a doorway allowing the player to temporarily access "Subspace"; a mirrored silhouette version of the world where items can be found.
* After the completion of the Special World in ''[[Super Mario World]]'' (1990), the overworld transforms from a green-colored springtime to an orange-colored autumnal setting. Many enemies encountered in the game are transformed into bizarre counterparts.
* In ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' (2007), the town "Flipside" (which acts as the game's central hub) has an alternative mirrored version called "Flopside". While Flipside appears pristine and the residents there are typically cheerful, Flopside appears somewhat dilapidated and is populated by surly characters.
* Both titles of the ''When They Cry'' visual novel series (''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro ni|Higurashi]]'' and ''[[Umineko]]'' for short) contain the concept of parallel worlds. These series both involve some kind of murder mystery. As soon as the main character has 'lost', another parallel world, called a Fragment, is chosen to be observed. This continues until the entire mystery is solved.
* The visual novel/puzzle video game series ''[[Zero Escape]]'' heavily uses the concept of multiple realities as the basis for its plot as well as its central gameplay mechanic of traversing through realities and altering history. In this fictional universe, characters use a method of travelling between different timelines called "SHIFT" (short for "Spacetime Human Internal Fluctuating Travel").
* The survival video game [[Don't Starve]] (2013) involves the many playable characters efforts to survive in a semi-nightmarish parallel world of wilderness known as the Constant, the story reveals that much of the world was once ruled by a race of sentient and technologically advanced [[arthropod]]al creatures, who destroyed themselves with the overuse of nightmare fuel, the Constant appears to change according to how afraid the characters are feeling, and is now controlled by mysterious shadow creatures that appear to those who are afraid and is also somewhat controlled by whoever is trapped on the "nightmare throne".
* ''[[Agents of Mayhem]]'' is set in an alternative universe to the [[Saints Row]] series in which the Third Street Saints never forms, which leads up to Vice Kings, Los Carnales and Westside Rollerz uniting into one gang.
* In ''[[Left 4 Dead 2]]'' The Last Stand Update (2020), release The Last Stand map where all players case that the survivors took a different path leading to the Death Toll Finale. Instead of going to the Boathouse, players choose to go to the Lighthouse by a truck. Players must light the long-disused lighthouse and fight against a lot of infected to wait a rescue boat.

==Fan fiction==
{{Main|Alternative universe (fan fiction)}}

==See also==
* [[World as Myth]]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==Bibliography==
* {{cite book|author=[[Clifford A. Pickover]]|title=Sex, Drugs, Einstein, and Elves: Sushi, Psychedelics, Parallel Universes, and the Quest for Transcendence (Discusses parallel universes in a variety of settings, from physics to psychedelic visions to Proust parallel worlds to Bonnet syndrome)|publisher=Smart Publications|date=August 2005|isbn=1-890572-17-9|url-access=registration|url=https://archive.org/details/sexdrugseinstein00clif}}
* {{cite book|author=[[Michio Kaku]]|title=Parallel Worlds: A Journey Through Creation, Higher Dimensions, and the Future of the Cosmos |url=https://archive.org/details/parallelworldsjo0000kaku|url-access=registration|publisher=Doubleday|year=2004|isbn=0-385-50986-3 }}

==External links==
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*[https://www.phonedesire.com/parallel-universe-is-there-any-other-life/ Parallel Universe: is there any other life?]

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The Child Thief

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'''''The Child Thief''''' is a 2009 [[dark fantasy]] novel by the artist and novelist [[Gerald Brom]].<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.bromart.com/|title=Art of Brom|website=Bromart.com|access-date=30 October 2021}}</ref> A dark retelling of the stories of [[Peter Pan]] and The Lost Boys, Brom takes many liberties with the originals by [[J M Barrie]]. Brom incorporates monsters and faeries, as well as a poverty-ridden populace in New York.

==Synopsis==
The novel begins with a prologue. A young girl awaits her abusive father, only to be rescued by a boy with auburn hair, freckles, pointy ears, and golden eyes. He comforts the girl, telling her of a place where there are no grown-ups and lots of adventure. The girl goes with him.

The novel follows several characters in their adventures through [[Avalon]], an enchanted isle in its final death throes. Brom makes liberal use of [[Celtic mythology|Celtic]] and [[Scottish mythology]] as, in a parallel storyline, he describes Peter's history from birth to Lord of Deviltree.

In the modern day, a child named Nick flees his home with a bag full of [[methamphetamine]]. A gang of drug dealers has taken over his home, abusing him while his mother and grandmother are powerless to do anything. His first night on the run he is pursued by the gang members and runs into Peter. Peter displays superhuman speed and strength, driving the gang members off. He tells Nick about Avalon and convinces him to come there. Nick makes it through the mist to Avalon, joining up with the other children Peter has taken there over the years (many of whom have not aged a day since arriving in Avalon).

Peter's clan of human children is the final force between the Flesh Eaters and The Lady. The Lady's magic keeps Avalon alive and the Mist up to keep out unwanted humans while, unfortunately, keeping the Flesh Eaters in. The Lady is trapped within the heart of Avalon, a prisoner in her own land by her nephew and Avalon's heir apparent, Lord Ulfger (who shares the same father as Peter).

The children at Deviltree are also affected by the magic of Avalon. However, being children, they were not twisted into malicious scaly creatures. Instead they grew strong, fast, and amazingly powerful while their eyes changed color to match their leader's eyes. They were honed into warriors, fighting alongside Peter to save Avalon and The Lady and rid the land of the Flesh Eaters. Their predecessors were revealed to be pagan and druid children fleeing from enslavement, persecution and execution by knights working on behalf of the church.

Peter spends his time searching for new children to take back to Avalon. Always searching in the poorest neighborhoods, Peter only takes those children that are abused, forgotten, or, his personal favorite, runaways. Many children die in the Mist. Many more die fighting for their lives in Avalon, and Peter must go out seeking blood for Deviltree.

Ulfgar, out of jealousy, leads the children of Deviltree into an ambush where many of them are killed and many more are captured by the Flesh Eaters (he then brainwashes one new recruit, self-serving Leroy to murder and further betray for him). The Flesh Eaters during this time are revealed to be a group of English [[Puritans]] who sailed to Avalon accidentally while en route to North America. They want to go home and believe that killing the Lady is their only way to do so. In reality she could dispel the mists and allow them to leave, but neither side trusts the other enough to try and communicate.

After being tortured, (during which one Devil, feral child Redbone due to his sustained injuries doesn't survive the process) some of the devils lead the Flesh Eaters to the Lady's hiding place and they kidnap her (on discovering Leroy's treachery Peter executes him as Leroy shows his true colors and cowardly tries to shift blame from himself). Avalon dissolves around them and everyone is swept to [[New York City]]. The Flesh Eaters are startled by their surroundings, some even believing themselves to have entered [[Heaven]], and cause a panic among anyone who sees them, which leads them to kill several police officers who come to investigate them.

The Flesh Eaters go to [[Central Park]] to execute the Lady, only for Peter and the remaining devils to attack in a desperate rescue attempt. During the battle, Ulfgar reappears and, having absorbed some of Avalon's remaining magic, has turned into some sort of monster. The Flesh Eaters and devils briefly join forces to defeat him during which almost all of them are slain by him. Ulfgar is killed and the Lady restores Avalon. Nick is mortally wounded during the battle and with his last breaths makes Peter swear to kill the gang living in his old house.

The remaining devils, now only one or two who are left out of the well over three dozen before, head back to rebuild Avalon while Peter heads off to fulfill his promise.

==Literary analysis==

===Children as warriors===
The children become merciless, bloodthirsty and savage. Taken from abusive homes, they leave for a place where there are children from similar backgrounds. Brom discusses <ref>The Child Thief - Brom, HarperCollins, 2009</ref> how this relates to gang culture. The children are slowly affected by Avalon's magic and become a powerful force. This knowledge of superiority coupled with the right circumstance could easily cause innocent children to become killing machines. ''Judging from what goes on in modern gang culture, seeing how quick teens are to define their own morals, to justify any action no matter how horrific, I believe it wouldn't be that hard.'' (Brom, The Child Thief)

===Humans as monsters===
The Flesh Eaters were a group of Puritans who set out to the new world from England, as well as the crews of the ships that carried them. They became trapped in Avalon when their arrival promoted the Lady of the Lake to shroud the island in a magical mist to avoid further arrivals. When they came to Avalon they were people no worse or better than others of their time, but after 300 years they have degenerated in body and soul to resemble demonic creatures with horn and black scales. In addition to being corrupted by the magic of Avalon, their desperation to escape over the long years have driven them to further madness. In the most extreme cases they have become twisted caricatures of themselves, so that The Reverend, originally a just and inspiring man has become no more than a fanatical sadist. Even those among the group who have not fallen into degeneracy mostly go along with those who have, either out of fear, complacency or simply the desire to band together against the dangers of the land.

The beasts of Avalon were—before the Flesh Eaters—a light and airy people who cared only for merriment and joy, and even when danger or serious matters pressed upon them. They worship the pagan gods of the land, who live and walk among them. They would like nothing more than for the Flesh Eaters to leave, which is the same goal the Flesh Eaters have, though by the time of the novel the hatred between them has grown too deep for them to work together on any common task.

==Characters==

===Devils===
* '''Peter''': A main character and "Lord" of Deviltree, his only apparent goal is to gather children to fight the Flesh Eaters and save Lady [[Modron]]. Peter's mood often changes between that of a hardened warrior and a child, especially when recalling fallen Devils. He has red hair, pale, freckled skin, golden eyes, and pointy ears. He wears hand-stitched leather pants with pointy-toed shoes sewn in, a raggedy, tailed tuxedo jacket over a black hoodie, and a rawhide pack.
* '''Nick''': A major character, Nick's story begins as he runs away from home, where a drug lord tenant and his minions torment Nick, his mother, and his grandmother. He is cornered by several other boys when Peter comes to his rescue. Once they are through the Mist he is left with the other Devils as a "new blood". Nick is fourteen, slender and a bit small for his age, with dark, choppy bangs, and a pallid complexion.
* '''Cricket''': A New Blood at Deviltree, she arrived there a little before Nick. It is implied she was the girl from the prologue. She becomes good friends with Nick, and there is some attraction between them. She has a scar above her ear where her hair no longer grows, from before she came to Avalon.
* '''Sekeu''': The most experienced warrior at Deviltree with the exception of Peter, she has been in Avalon since the first colonists settled in America. She is Native American, with golden eyes, dark hair, lean, muscular features, and a regal bearing. She teaches the New Bloods at Deviltree how to fight, and acts as leader when Peter is out.
* '''Redbone''': He has been at Deviltree since 1974 and is one of Peter's more experienced warriors, described by others as a wild feral child. He rubs a red dye into his skin and hair, creating a devilish effect, and ties a red bone into the wild top knot on his head. He wears a beat-up, but genuine, leather jacket. His grin is fierce and wide and his eyes are squinty and fiendish. A scar runs down his face right between his eyes that he got from his pimp, prior to being brought to Avalon.
* '''Leroy''': The most experienced of the New Blood, Leroy is crafty and self-serving. He bullies and intimidates Nick, and eventually becomes a Devil by falsely claiming to have performed Nick's acts of bravery. He fled to Avalon to escape punishment for murdering his father and later is brainwashed by Lord Ulfger to betray the other Devils.
* '''Abraham''': A one handed former runaway slave who has been in Avalon for well over a century. After Sekeu he is the most experienced of fighters who helps her train the new recruits.
* '''Dirk and Dash''': Both of whom were always in a fight with one another but still neither were never apart. Dirk has a resemblance to a bulldog with shaved scalp and ragged, jagged, ritual scaring. Dash is said to have a slight under-bite and is covered with piercings of bone and metal over parts of his face and nipples.
* '''Danny''': Another New Blood recruit. Described as a pre-teen who is pudgy and bespectacled whose glasses are wrapped round his head with a strap. He is one of the very few Devils to survive.
* '''Amos''': A Devil who once lived in an Amish community prior to be shunned and cast out. Ever since his banishment and being brought to Avalon, he has been by Peter's side.
* '''Cutter''': A Devil who is said to be a serious, reserved kid, with dark, severe eyes. He is known for being one who is of few words who seems to keep himself to himself.
* '''Ivy''': A Devil who was left with a lazy eye by her mother after she was kicked for wearing makeup. She is known for her distinct curly hair.
* '''Nathan''': An ill-fated twelve year old potential recruit. He was brought to Avalon having been saved after seeing his older brother Tony get murdered for causing a drug shipment to be accidentally destroyed.
* '''Billy''': A former Devil who ended up being captured by the Flesh Eaters. Because of him they were then able to learn about the current state of the outside world.
* '''The Lady''': Peter and his followers live to serve the Lady. Lady Modron (also known as The [[Lady of the Lake]]), daughter of the god [[Avallach]], rules as the queen of Avalon. It appears that she uses her healing powers to entrance the inhabitants of Avalon into a spell of unconditional love, and devotion to her and Avalon itself.

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== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

The following titles have been removed as self-published sources (or non-notable). See [[WP:SPS]]

*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]

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[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''/''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as ''Urban-Toons'' series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Plus ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
It might not be relevant but was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent publisher?

As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 14:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC) 

:For Von Brown, look for reliable sources at [[WP:RSSE]] or scholarship at JSTOR or Google Scholar. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 04:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:All those titles look to be self published at a glance. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Can you be certain? I only know Found Boys is self published https://urbantoonsinc.com/collections/childrens-books
[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 20:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Fair use images ==

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:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

The following titles have been removed as self-published sources (or non-notable). See [[WP:SPS]]

*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]

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[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''/''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as ''Urban-Toons'' series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Plus ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
It might not be relevant but was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent publisher?

As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 14:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC) 

:For Von Brown, look for reliable sources at [[WP:RSSE]] or scholarship at JSTOR or Google Scholar. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 04:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:All those titles look to be self published at a glance. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Can you be certain? I only know Found Boys is self published
[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 20:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Fair use images ==

Contrary to what [[User:Papa November]] asserts in his edit summaries, fair-use images ''are'' permitted in "list" articles. There are even [[Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines for how it should/n't be done]]. It says that "non-free images should be used judiciously to present the key visual aspects of the topic" and "images that are used only to visually identify elements in the article should be used as sparingly as possible." I believe the usage in this article was both judicious and sparing. It says that "It is inadvisable to provide a non-free image for each entry in such an article or section," and the article did not. The guidelines say to restrict usage "as agreed to by editor consensus", and there is no basis in these guidelines for the unilateral removal of ''all'' fair use images from the article. - [[User:JasonAQuest|JasonAQuest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''/''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as ''Urban-Toons'' series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Plus ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
It might not be relevant but was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent publisher?

As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 14:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC) 

:For Von Brown, look for reliable sources at [[WP:RSSE]] or scholarship at JSTOR or Google Scholar. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 04:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:All those titles look to be self published at a glance. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Can you be certain? I only know Found Boys is self published
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== Fair use images ==

Contrary to what [[User:Papa November]] asserts in his edit summaries, fair-use images ''are'' permitted in "list" articles. There are even [[Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines for how it should/n't be done]]. It says that "non-free images should be used judiciously to present the key visual aspects of the topic" and "images that are used only to visually identify elements in the article should be used as sparingly as possible." I believe the usage in this article was both judicious and sparing. It says that "It is inadvisable to provide a non-free image for each entry in such an article or section," and the article did not. The guidelines say to restrict usage "as agreed to by editor consensus", and there is no basis in these guidelines for the unilateral removal of ''all'' fair use images from the article. - [[User:JasonAQuest|JasonAQuest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

The following titles have been removed as self-published sources (or non-notable). See [[WP:SPS]]

*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''/''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as ''Urban-Toons'' series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Plus ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
It might not be relevant but was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent publisher?

As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 14:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC) 

:For Von Brown, look for reliable sources at [[WP:RSSE]] or scholarship at JSTOR or Google Scholar. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 04:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:All those titles look to be self published at a glance. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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:Can you be certain? I only know Found Boys is self published
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== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''/''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as ''Urban-Toons'' series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Plus ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
It might not be relevant but was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent publisher?

As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 14:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC) 
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== Leveson Inquiry and J K Rowling ==

Please explain why a link to a the [[Leveson Inquiry]] is not an adequate citation. The document cited is a signed witness statement which Rowling was questioned on extensively in open court and on live national British television - it may seem to be at odds with the findings of the extensive Talk discussions on whether Ms Rowling has a middle name, but my wording doesn't comment on or contradict these findings; it simply states, factually, that this was the style of address that Rowling used for her witness statement (and, incidentally, when she swore the oath before giving evidence).[[User:Headhitter|Headhitter]] ([[User talk:Headhitter|talk]]) 20:06, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I meant no disrespect but I just didn't think a link to a pdf document was a suitable citation. Now that I've seen the full source, I accept I was wrong but I think you should add the complete reference so that everyone can see where the document actually came from.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 09:33, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd thought the reference was complete: what else do you feel should be included? [[User:Headhitter|Headhitter]] ([[User talk:Headhitter|talk]]) 10:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The first link just brought up the pdf document. The full link you've referenced in the Talk section takes you to the Leveson Inquiry site, which clearly shows where the document was downloaded from. That's all I meant.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 12:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Re:[[Peter Pan]] ==

Hi Stelmaris, Thank you for your recent interaction about the copyright of Peter Pan (on J M Barrie).
I have an email from Emily Beahan, on behalf of Peter Pan at GOSH, stating that ‘Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens and Peter & Wendy are both in the public domain and so you would not need any permission to use extracts ’. The situation is rather complicated but do you think the following would be a more accurate edit?
He left the bulk of his estate to his secretary Cynthia Asquith [36] although he had already given the rights, including any adaptations or retelling of the story of Peter Pan, to Great Ormond Street Hospital, where they remain in perpetuity. The texts of the books ‘Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens’ and ‘Peter and Wendy’ are in the public domain in the UK.
Many thanks [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9|talk]]) 15:51, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Mountain9. Thank you for checking the current facts - which are indeed that Peter Pan works (the play, the novel, The Little White Bird and PP in Kensington Gardens) are '''now''' in the public domain in the UK, which is not in dispute. The point I was making in the paragraph I edited was that at the time of his death, the bulk of his estate was left to Cynthia Asquith, with the exception of the rights to Peter Pan works as their copyright had already been gifted to the hospital: at that time, it was a full copyright, in force worldwide (at least in countries which recognised copyright laws). As of 2016, it is only the play that is still in copyright in the US (until 2023) and in the UK, the hospital has a right to royalty in perpetuity granted by an Act of Parliament (Copyright Designs & Patents Act) passed in 1988, which is not a copyright. Copyright expired in other countries at various times over the last 50 years.

However, because the current copyright status is different in different countries, I don't think we could say the rights were given to Great Ormond Street Hospital "where they remain in perpetuity", which would be incorrect. The copyright granted by Barrie (excluded from his estate inherited by Cynthia Asquith) and the right to royalty granted by the Government are two very different things. Also by implication, copyright means all intellectual property rights in a work, so there's no need to specify "including adaptations or retelling of the story of PP" which should go without saying. I would suggest we just link the reference to "copyright" and "Peter Pan works" to the actual page of [[Peter and Wendy|Peter Pan]], which explains all the copyright stuff for readers who want to find out more. (Incidentally, the right to royalty from the CDPA does not extend to The Little White Bird or PP in Kensington Gardens, but only to the story of Peter Pan as told in the play and novel.).

Yes, it is complicated - but I hope this is helpful! It is actually explained in detail on the GOSH.org website where I got most of this info. --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 17:16, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stelmaris, Thanks for getting back to me. I am happy with the intent of your suggestions. As you say, The LWB and PPinKG were not part of the Peter Pan Gift to GOSH but that is my point – ‘all Peter Pan works’ includes these books. Would you be happy with this? ‘He left the bulk of his estates (excluding the rights to the Peter Pan play [link to PP page] whose copyright he had previously given to Great Ormond Street Hospital) to his secretary Cynthia Asquith.’ I am fairly new to Wikipedia and still trying to find my way around but I like the culture. Many thanks ```` — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mountain9|contribs]]) 18:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC) 

Hi there. Actually, The LWB and PPIKG were definitely part of Barrie's gift, together with both novel and play, but I realise my earlier reply did not make it clear! When he gave the copyright to GOSH, it was to the whole of the PP works, as confirmed later in his will (which you can read on the jmbarrie.co.uk website). Although people often refer to GOSH having the rights to the play, I believe this confusion arises from the fact that it is now only the play that is still in copyright in the US because of the different legislation at the time (the novel entered the public domain in the 80s). In the UK (and the rest of Europe), copyright term was defined by the life of author + 50 Years (later 70), whilst in the US it used to be from date of publication - the play was published 17 years after the novel, so it fell into a different timescale. The rights granted in the UK by the CDPA apply to all commercial exploitation of the story of PP on stage, publication, broadcast, film (but not merchandise or spin-offs). Enjoy Wikipedia!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 08:58, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks. Now I understand, I think, and I agree that what matters in this section is what appertained at the time of Barrie's death, not what is the case now. My copy of Birkin's Lost Boys is the old one (!) and other sources are very muddled. Sorry to have taken up your time. [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9|talk]]) 10:01, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

No apology necessary, you're welcome! I've been studying the story of Barrie and PP, and the complexities of copyright for a long time, so always happy to help clarify. I've reworded the legacy paragraph and inserted links, so trust it makes more sense now. Cheers!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 10:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stelmaris - I've just undone your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=519192181&oldid=519189475 undoing of my removal of the "reference"] from the Peter Pan article. If you'd checked my edit summary you'd see that I removed it because it was a [[Wikipedia:Glossary#Circular reference|circular reference]] - i.e., the source used was Wikipedia itself. As such, it is not a reliable reference and should not be in Wikipedia. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 23:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
:Odd. I've never seen anyone using a reference citation for a Wikipedia image before, and I'm still not really convinced it makes sense. Surely it would be better to actually add the image, possibly as part of a gallery at the foot of the page. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 11:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I never thought of it as a reference citation, just a link to an image kept in Wikipedia Commons for general use. The image referenced for the statue in Brussels is also from Wikipedia commons, and I've come across linking to a wiki image in many other articles. I don't see it as a problem, on the contrary, as there's no conflict or copyright infringement involved, and the image adds to the piece about the copies of the statue worldwide. If you think they'd be better in the gallery, that works as well. BTW, I like your addition of the Dunedin statues!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 12:42, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks! Yes, I think a gallery would work better. Next time I'm down at the Botanic Gardens I'll take a photo of the Dunedin one to add to it :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 23:13, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

== Centred ==

Hi there - I think with all due respect that you may have got [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=next&oldid=538816370 this] backwards!? BrE = centre, AmE = center; so BrE = centred, AmE = centered. No? Or am I going nuts? cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 08:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:PS [http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/centred Here's] a ref. I know it's not OED itself (too lazy right now) but it comes from the right aisle in the right shop ... cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 08:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Whoops, you're perfectly right. I must have had a mental meltdown that evening, apologies for amending your correct edit.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 13:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Please don't apologize, especially since (in the words of the song) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=prev&oldid=538816370 it wasn't me] ... I just blundered into the aftermath with my size 10s on. :) Thanks very much for the nice reply. [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Definitely meltdown. However, as the previous editor didn't identify him/herself, you'll have to accept the apology on their behalf! --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 16:54, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Ha, thanks for that! :) cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
== June 2013 ==

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You wrote: "This is covered in most reference books on Peter Pan, which I'm happy to list as sources if necessary."

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Not sure why you keep removing this pic! How is it inappropriate? It's a vintage picture of a Peter Pan statue from London Ontario showing the wide spread popularity of this figure, please don't remove again without proper discussion on talk page~

I have explained several times why I have removed the picture, and already left an explanation on the talk page, which you ignored. This picture brings nothing of encyclopedic worth to the page and is clearly about the little girl (whom I suspect is you?) - which is very sweet by the way, but is not suitable for the page. It will be deleted again, if not by me, by others. --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 22:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I cropped the pic so the focal point is the statue, the statute has long since been removed from the park ( which I thought was a shame) :(

Hi. I'm sorry, but even cropped, the picture is wrong for the page - the girl's face is still the most prominent feature of the shot, and you can't really distinguish the statue itself. The fact the statue has long been removed from the park is another argument for not posting the picture. Please take the discussion to the talk page before reinserting it. If you want to include a picture of the statue in Glenn Gould Park in Toronto, that would make more sense. (By the way, please also sign your posts.)--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 09:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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Heya, Thanks for explaining your revert. I'd been seeing some enthusiasm on Tinkerbell as a great intro to engineering for kids as she designs and builds things that people needs. Since there isn't a category for tinker and engineering encompasses those traits and skills I thought it fit. Let me know what you think! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUVGZiPN0hM & http://www.themarysue.com/stem-tinker-bell/ [[User:H0n0r|H0n0r]] ([[User talk:H0n0r|talk]]) 18:17, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. I see your point about encouraging and inspiring girls (and boys) into engineering and designing, but I cannot see how these categories would fit into the Tinker Bell page, which is primarily about the character created by JM Barrie - and Tinker Bell was definitely not an engineer in the original story. This is something made up by Disney (who probably didn't like the idea of promoting a tinker!), so I would suggest you add the categories to the Disney Tinker Bell pages, as that would be more appropriate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Bell_(film_series) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Bell_(film). What do you think? --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 20:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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I have reverted your edit to the article [[Miss Marple]] where you deleted the referenced addition of Estonian actress Ita Ever. Your reasoning for the deletion that the actress is unknown in the UK or USA, and the performances were not authorised by the Christie estate, have no basis in Wikipedia policy. English language Wikipedia doesn't have a preference or tiers of preferences for what is known or not known in anglophone nations. Any language or culture is acceptable, so long as it is properly referenced. Whether or not the films or plays were authorised by the Christie estate also has no bearing on notability. We are not somehow beholden to the Christie estate to bury "unauthorised performances". That they were performed, were notable and are referenced is what matters -- not whether someone in Ohio or Dorchester has heard of the actress that portrayed Miss Marple or not, or whether the Christie estate approves or sanctioned the performance. Ever is widely known in Estonia for her appearances in film, television and theatre as the character of Miss Marple. [[User:ExRat|ExRat]] ([[User talk:ExRat|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks very much for the image of the Villa Harris at the [[Walter Burton Harris]] article; it's an excellent addition. We now have such a number of valuable Harris shots that I almost think we need a gallery. Taking a '''very''' long shot, you don't happen to have a photo of the [[Villa Taylor]] in [[Marrakesh]], perchance? I got interested in the villa when I did this little thing, [[Tower of the Koutoubia Mosque]], but I always regret doing an architecture article that doesn't have an image. No worries if not, of course. Best regards. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 18:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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== Jas is short for James ==
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== List of works based on Peter Pan: Difference between revisions ==
Stelmaris with your Clean up - removed self-published works, not notable since titles ''Peter Pan's NeverWorld'' and ''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between'' by Peter Von Brown are done by a rather well known scholar who did his thesis on James Matthew Barrie and is therefore a noted expert in Barrie's literature who was granted special access to his unfinished works and used his genuine unfinished drafts to complete his sequel to Peter and Wendy and it's prequel. Both books would've been done by Barrie himself had he been able to finish them. So both books are relative to the list and can you be so sure they were actually self-published and if they were some Users might not see it as particularly relevant http://petervonbrown.blogspot.com/ — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) 21:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 19:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC) 

How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore desevers to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 11:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:I'm sorry but I'm going to completely disagree with you. Self-published works are not notable, and whatever Peter Von Brown may have said and boasted about his books (using Barrie's own ideas etc), they are just not particularly good or well-written. It is of course my opinion, but if a book is not taken up by a proper mainstream publisher, there is already an indication that they're not up to a certain standard. Self-published books are not properly edited and Von Brown's syntax and grammar are pretty wonky at times. His second book is even worse than the first. The idea may be good, but not the execution. I don't think a new section of "self-published works" is a good idea, because that leaves the door open to all the other ones. As per Wikipedia's rules, they don't merit a listing because they're not notable. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 18:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

That's very true but on occasion proper mainstream publisher who've turned down such authors who then gone on to self-publish later on get back to said authors with request to publish future projects. The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series (self-published) by R. V. Bowman is currently being made into a live action series so Bowman must've done something right. Then again you could argue that this only happened as standards for TV ideas might be slipping since streaming became more widely available and it's just a competition now to get the next big thing therefore making Bowman's work irrelevant — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) 21:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 23:02, 18th July (UTC) 

:I take your point. Yes, some self-published books do get a new life with mainstream publishers. However, Peter Von Brown's works have had some 15 years to make it and they haven't. I'm not convinced that he's an expert on Barrie either. He might well have done a thesis [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::(Sorry, pressed Return by mistake!) So he might well have done a thesis or paper on Barrie, but hundreds of students have done that and they don't call themselves experts. Anyone can have access to the Barrie archives at the Beinecke Library so there's nothing special about that. If he was indeed an expert on the subject, his works would appear as references in other works or websites (like Andrew Birkin's or Bruce Handson's books) but they don't, which says a lot. My point remains that self-published books are not notable for Wikipedia otherwise we [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
:::(Did it again!) ...otherwise any page on authors or classic novels would get thousands of fan fiction or vanity publishing titles listed. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
I take it that when they do get around to releasing ''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series'' on the small screen it won't be included in List of works based on Peter Pan due to it's source material. If that's the case then maybe you should check whether some of the comics be removed as some of them maybe self-published or released independently like some comics and graphic novels do since you say they're not relevant. Better yet lets take down the whole article until we can all authentically find proof that say none of the material on it was not self-made, or self-produced, or self-published. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 11:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC) 

:If and when ''The Pirate Princess Chronicles'' are released on TV, they'll be listed under the appropriate section. You're right about the comics: I hadn't checked them recently and I have now deleted one entry. As for the other works, it is easy to check who published them on their Amazon entry and you can then double-check on the mainstream publishers website. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 13:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

It appears that Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands was published more than once over the years were all of them done through independent means? Peter Pan part of the urban-toons series might fit into this as well, as Urban-Toons series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher after all of those that were singled out may not all be self published as they first appear, sorry to be a pain but I just need to make sure, the same goes for those you've left is every one of those books and comics done by an official reputable publisher? I only ask because there's another retelling called ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery'' by L.A Drecketts and then there's Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling by Leigh G there's no point adding either one if they are deemed self-published
— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 23:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC) 

:I’m not sure of your point here because we seem to be going round in circles. I’m not “deeming” books to be self-published: they are or they are not, it’s not up to me. If you want to add titles to the list, it’s up to you to do the checks and add references if necessary. If it turns out they are self-published, they will be removed. These are Wikipedia’s rules and policies, not mine personally. If you’re not happy with these, please take it up to the Talk page of the List of Works page, not my talk page as I’m not the only editor here. As I feel this conversation is going nowhere, this discussion ends here. Thank you for your understanding. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 07:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Truly Sorry for any frictions caused by any of this only I took you as someone who knows their way around numerous works of literature even if that's beside the point...so once again apologies for any persistent pestering
— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 21:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Fair use images ==

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:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

(Books – fiction:)

'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

The following titles have been removed as self-published sources (or non-notable). See [[WP:SPS]]

*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''/''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as ''Urban-Toons'' series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Also ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
It might not be relevant but was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent puplisher?

As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
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== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

The following titles have been removed as self-published sources (or non-notable). See [[WP:SPS]]

*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''/''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as ''Urban-Toons'' series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Also ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
It might not be relevant but was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent puplisher?
As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
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:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

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:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''/''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as Urban-Toons series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Also ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
Also was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent puplisher?
As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
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:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''/''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as Urban-Toons series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Also ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
Also was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent puplisher?
As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
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== Fair use images ==

Contrary to what [[User:Papa November]] asserts in his edit summaries, fair-use images ''are'' permitted in "list" articles. There are even [[Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines for how it should/n't be done]]. It says that "non-free images should be used judiciously to present the key visual aspects of the topic" and "images that are used only to visually identify elements in the article should be used as sparingly as possible." I believe the usage in this article was both judicious and sparing. It says that "It is inadvisable to provide a non-free image for each entry in such an article or section," and the article did not. The guidelines say to restrict usage "as agreed to by editor consensus", and there is no basis in these guidelines for the unilateral removal of ''all'' fair use images from the article. - [[User:JasonAQuest|JasonAQuest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''/''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as Urban-Toons series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Also ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
Also was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent puplisher?
As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 15:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC) 
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:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery'' ==
== ''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as Urban-Toons series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Also ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?
Also was ''Son of Pan'' by Christopher Jalil (2016) published soley by the author or an independent puplisher?
As for Peter Von Brown scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? I'm still looking but I'm not sure where to look exactly
[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 15:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC) 
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== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

—[[User:Haim Berman|Haim Berman]] ([[User talk:Haim Berman|talk]]) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

:This is self published on Createspace. Are there any independent reliable sources? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Self-published works ==

The following titles have been removed as self-published sources (or non-notable). See [[WP:SPS]]

*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie {{redacted|copyright violation}} https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar {{redacted|copyright violation}} For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Amazon don't write the description, publishers/authors do themselves. Amazon also wouldn't check claims in the description. Only one irrelevant result comes up for Peter Von Brown when I search at Knox College https://www.knox.edu/google?q=peter%20von%20brown [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 03:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Where would we draw the line on what self-published work is acceptable and what isn't? Von Brown probably wrote his own blurb on Amazon. His ideas for the sequel and prequel might have been inspired by Barrie's notes, but that doesn't mean the execution was remarkable in any way. The fact that mainstream publishers did not take him up does suggest that his works were not up to standard - so he paid to get them published, without proper editing. The same would apply to other vanity publishing authors. Please let's leave self-published works out of Wikipedia. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Self-published books]] has 129 pages and Peter Von Brown's works may be remarkable and sought after (now or in future) by mainstream publishers, a high standard and well-edited, but inclusion in Wikipedia is according to policies on reliable sources. There are barely any on Peter Von Brown despite using custom searches available at [[WP:FIND]] via [[WP:RS]]. Is his scholarship available anywhere or any reference to it? [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 13:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery'' ==
== ''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling'' ==
Are either of the following titles allowed on List of works? '''''The Boy Who Disliked Mothers: The Story of Narcissus' Son, A Jamaican/Yard Man Peter Pan Retelling of Abandonment, Healing, and Self-Discovery''''' by [[L.A Drecketts ]] '''''Found Boys: A Peter Pan Retelling''''' by [[Leigh G]]. It appears Found Boys might be independently published but it isn't clear on the other. Also ''Peter Pan'' part of the ''urban-toons'' series might not be entirely self-published as Urban-Toons series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher. Also ''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands'' has been published more than once over the years maybe not all of them were done through independent means?

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==RE: Middleton==
It has not been discussed for some months (since May, and early May at that). If you look at all the other female royals articles, they indeed use the same format. Also, as the other editor said, she is no longer known as Kate. ★[[User:Dasani|Dasani]]★ 01:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

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== Leveson Inquiry and J K Rowling ==

Please explain why a link to a the [[Leveson Inquiry]] is not an adequate citation. The document cited is a signed witness statement which Rowling was questioned on extensively in open court and on live national British television - it may seem to be at odds with the findings of the extensive Talk discussions on whether Ms Rowling has a middle name, but my wording doesn't comment on or contradict these findings; it simply states, factually, that this was the style of address that Rowling used for her witness statement (and, incidentally, when she swore the oath before giving evidence).[[User:Headhitter|Headhitter]] ([[User talk:Headhitter|talk]]) 20:06, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I meant no disrespect but I just didn't think a link to a pdf document was a suitable citation. Now that I've seen the full source, I accept I was wrong but I think you should add the complete reference so that everyone can see where the document actually came from.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 09:33, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd thought the reference was complete: what else do you feel should be included? [[User:Headhitter|Headhitter]] ([[User talk:Headhitter|talk]]) 10:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The first link just brought up the pdf document. The full link you've referenced in the Talk section takes you to the Leveson Inquiry site, which clearly shows where the document was downloaded from. That's all I meant.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 12:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Re:[[Peter Pan]] ==

Hi Stelmaris, Thank you for your recent interaction about the copyright of Peter Pan (on J M Barrie).
I have an email from Emily Beahan, on behalf of Peter Pan at GOSH, stating that ‘Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens and Peter & Wendy are both in the public domain and so you would not need any permission to use extracts ’. The situation is rather complicated but do you think the following would be a more accurate edit?
He left the bulk of his estate to his secretary Cynthia Asquith [36] although he had already given the rights, including any adaptations or retelling of the story of Peter Pan, to Great Ormond Street Hospital, where they remain in perpetuity. The texts of the books ‘Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens’ and ‘Peter and Wendy’ are in the public domain in the UK.
Many thanks [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9|talk]]) 15:51, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Mountain9. Thank you for checking the current facts - which are indeed that Peter Pan works (the play, the novel, The Little White Bird and PP in Kensington Gardens) are '''now''' in the public domain in the UK, which is not in dispute. The point I was making in the paragraph I edited was that at the time of his death, the bulk of his estate was left to Cynthia Asquith, with the exception of the rights to Peter Pan works as their copyright had already been gifted to the hospital: at that time, it was a full copyright, in force worldwide (at least in countries which recognised copyright laws). As of 2016, it is only the play that is still in copyright in the US (until 2023) and in the UK, the hospital has a right to royalty in perpetuity granted by an Act of Parliament (Copyright Designs & Patents Act) passed in 1988, which is not a copyright. Copyright expired in other countries at various times over the last 50 years.

However, because the current copyright status is different in different countries, I don't think we could say the rights were given to Great Ormond Street Hospital "where they remain in perpetuity", which would be incorrect. The copyright granted by Barrie (excluded from his estate inherited by Cynthia Asquith) and the right to royalty granted by the Government are two very different things. Also by implication, copyright means all intellectual property rights in a work, so there's no need to specify "including adaptations or retelling of the story of PP" which should go without saying. I would suggest we just link the reference to "copyright" and "Peter Pan works" to the actual page of [[Peter and Wendy|Peter Pan]], which explains all the copyright stuff for readers who want to find out more. (Incidentally, the right to royalty from the CDPA does not extend to The Little White Bird or PP in Kensington Gardens, but only to the story of Peter Pan as told in the play and novel.).

Yes, it is complicated - but I hope this is helpful! It is actually explained in detail on the GOSH.org website where I got most of this info. --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 17:16, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stelmaris, Thanks for getting back to me. I am happy with the intent of your suggestions. As you say, The LWB and PPinKG were not part of the Peter Pan Gift to GOSH but that is my point – ‘all Peter Pan works’ includes these books. Would you be happy with this? ‘He left the bulk of his estates (excluding the rights to the Peter Pan play [link to PP page] whose copyright he had previously given to Great Ormond Street Hospital) to his secretary Cynthia Asquith.’ I am fairly new to Wikipedia and still trying to find my way around but I like the culture. Many thanks ```` — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mountain9|contribs]]) 18:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC) 

Hi there. Actually, The LWB and PPIKG were definitely part of Barrie's gift, together with both novel and play, but I realise my earlier reply did not make it clear! When he gave the copyright to GOSH, it was to the whole of the PP works, as confirmed later in his will (which you can read on the jmbarrie.co.uk website). Although people often refer to GOSH having the rights to the play, I believe this confusion arises from the fact that it is now only the play that is still in copyright in the US because of the different legislation at the time (the novel entered the public domain in the 80s). In the UK (and the rest of Europe), copyright term was defined by the life of author + 50 Years (later 70), whilst in the US it used to be from date of publication - the play was published 17 years after the novel, so it fell into a different timescale. The rights granted in the UK by the CDPA apply to all commercial exploitation of the story of PP on stage, publication, broadcast, film (but not merchandise or spin-offs). Enjoy Wikipedia!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 08:58, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks. Now I understand, I think, and I agree that what matters in this section is what appertained at the time of Barrie's death, not what is the case now. My copy of Birkin's Lost Boys is the old one (!) and other sources are very muddled. Sorry to have taken up your time. [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9|talk]]) 10:01, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

No apology necessary, you're welcome! I've been studying the story of Barrie and PP, and the complexities of copyright for a long time, so always happy to help clarify. I've reworded the legacy paragraph and inserted links, so trust it makes more sense now. Cheers!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 10:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stelmaris - I've just undone your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=519192181&oldid=519189475 undoing of my removal of the "reference"] from the Peter Pan article. If you'd checked my edit summary you'd see that I removed it because it was a [[Wikipedia:Glossary#Circular reference|circular reference]] - i.e., the source used was Wikipedia itself. As such, it is not a reliable reference and should not be in Wikipedia. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 23:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
:Odd. I've never seen anyone using a reference citation for a Wikipedia image before, and I'm still not really convinced it makes sense. Surely it would be better to actually add the image, possibly as part of a gallery at the foot of the page. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 11:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I never thought of it as a reference citation, just a link to an image kept in Wikipedia Commons for general use. The image referenced for the statue in Brussels is also from Wikipedia commons, and I've come across linking to a wiki image in many other articles. I don't see it as a problem, on the contrary, as there's no conflict or copyright infringement involved, and the image adds to the piece about the copies of the statue worldwide. If you think they'd be better in the gallery, that works as well. BTW, I like your addition of the Dunedin statues!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 12:42, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks! Yes, I think a gallery would work better. Next time I'm down at the Botanic Gardens I'll take a photo of the Dunedin one to add to it :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 23:13, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

== Centred ==

Hi there - I think with all due respect that you may have got [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=next&oldid=538816370 this] backwards!? BrE = centre, AmE = center; so BrE = centred, AmE = centered. No? Or am I going nuts? cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 08:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:PS [http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/centred Here's] a ref. I know it's not OED itself (too lazy right now) but it comes from the right aisle in the right shop ... cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 08:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Whoops, you're perfectly right. I must have had a mental meltdown that evening, apologies for amending your correct edit.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 13:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Please don't apologize, especially since (in the words of the song) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=prev&oldid=538816370 it wasn't me] ... I just blundered into the aftermath with my size 10s on. :) Thanks very much for the nice reply. [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Definitely meltdown. However, as the previous editor didn't identify him/herself, you'll have to accept the apology on their behalf! --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 16:54, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Ha, thanks for that! :) cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
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==[[Zena Dare]]==
You wrote: "This is covered in most reference books on Peter Pan, which I'm happy to list as sources if necessary."

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==Removal of Pic==
Not sure why you keep removing this pic! How is it inappropriate? It's a vintage picture of a Peter Pan statue from London Ontario showing the wide spread popularity of this figure, please don't remove again without proper discussion on talk page~

I have explained several times why I have removed the picture, and already left an explanation on the talk page, which you ignored. This picture brings nothing of encyclopedic worth to the page and is clearly about the little girl (whom I suspect is you?) - which is very sweet by the way, but is not suitable for the page. It will be deleted again, if not by me, by others. --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 22:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I cropped the pic so the focal point is the statue, the statute has long since been removed from the park ( which I thought was a shame) :(

Hi. I'm sorry, but even cropped, the picture is wrong for the page - the girl's face is still the most prominent feature of the shot, and you can't really distinguish the statue itself. The fact the statue has long been removed from the park is another argument for not posting the picture. Please take the discussion to the talk page before reinserting it. If you want to include a picture of the statue in Glenn Gould Park in Toronto, that would make more sense. (By the way, please also sign your posts.)--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 09:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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: Thanks for your answer. I suggest we discuss this further where we should, which is on the Talk page for Captain Hook. Cheers.[[User:MackyBeth|MackyBeth]] ([[User talk:MackyBeth|talk]]) 17:19, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

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Heya, Thanks for explaining your revert. I'd been seeing some enthusiasm on Tinkerbell as a great intro to engineering for kids as she designs and builds things that people needs. Since there isn't a category for tinker and engineering encompasses those traits and skills I thought it fit. Let me know what you think! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUVGZiPN0hM & http://www.themarysue.com/stem-tinker-bell/ [[User:H0n0r|H0n0r]] ([[User talk:H0n0r|talk]]) 18:17, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. I see your point about encouraging and inspiring girls (and boys) into engineering and designing, but I cannot see how these categories would fit into the Tinker Bell page, which is primarily about the character created by JM Barrie - and Tinker Bell was definitely not an engineer in the original story. This is something made up by Disney (who probably didn't like the idea of promoting a tinker!), so I would suggest you add the categories to the Disney Tinker Bell pages, as that would be more appropriate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Bell_(film_series) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Bell_(film). What do you think? --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 20:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks very much for the image of the Villa Harris at the [[Walter Burton Harris]] article; it's an excellent addition. We now have such a number of valuable Harris shots that I almost think we need a gallery. Taking a '''very''' long shot, you don't happen to have a photo of the [[Villa Taylor]] in [[Marrakesh]], perchance? I got interested in the villa when I did this little thing, [[Tower of the Koutoubia Mosque]], but I always regret doing an architecture article that doesn't have an image. No worries if not, of course. Best regards. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 18:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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== List of works based on Peter Pan: Difference between revisions ==
Stelmaris with your Clean up - removed self-published works, not notable since titles ''Peter Pan's NeverWorld'' and ''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between'' by Peter Von Brown are done by a rather well known scholar who did his thesis on James Matthew Barrie and is therefore a noted expert in Barrie's literature who was granted special access to his unfinished works and used his genuine unfinished drafts to complete his sequel to Peter and Wendy and it's prequel. Both books would've been done by Barrie himself had he been able to finish them. So both books are relative to the list and can you be so sure they were actually self-published and if they were some Users might not see it as particularly relevant http://petervonbrown.blogspot.com/ — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) 21:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 19:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC) 

How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore desevers to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 11:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:I'm sorry but I'm going to completely disagree with you. Self-published works are not notable, and whatever Peter Von Brown may have said and boasted about his books (using Barrie's own ideas etc), they are just not particularly good or well-written. It is of course my opinion, but if a book is not taken up by a proper mainstream publisher, there is already an indication that they're not up to a certain standard. Self-published books are not properly edited and Von Brown's syntax and grammar are pretty wonky at times. His second book is even worse than the first. The idea may be good, but not the execution. I don't think a new section of "self-published works" is a good idea, because that leaves the door open to all the other ones. As per Wikipedia's rules, they don't merit a listing because they're not notable. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 18:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

That's very true but on occasion proper mainstream publisher who've turned down such authors who then gone on to self-publish later on get back to said authors with request to publish future projects. The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series (self-published) by R. V. Bowman is currently being made into a live action series so Bowman must've done something right. Then again you could argue that this only happened as standards for TV ideas might be slipping since streaming became more widely available and it's just a competition now to get the next big thing therefore making Bowman's work irrelevant — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) 21:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 23:02, 18th July (UTC) 

:I take your point. Yes, some self-published books do get a new life with mainstream publishers. However, Peter Von Brown's works have had some 15 years to make it and they haven't. I'm not convinced that he's an expert on Barrie either. He might well have done a thesis [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::(Sorry, pressed Return by mistake!) So he might well have done a thesis or paper on Barrie, but hundreds of students have done that and they don't call themselves experts. Anyone can have access to the Barrie archives at the Beinecke Library so there's nothing special about that. If he was indeed an expert on the subject, his works would appear as references in other works or websites (like Andrew Birkin's or Bruce Handson's books) but they don't, which says a lot. My point remains that self-published books are not notable for Wikipedia otherwise we [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
:::(Did it again!) ...otherwise any page on authors or classic novels would get thousands of fan fiction or vanity publishing titles listed. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
I take it that when they do get around to releasing ''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series'' on the small screen it won't be included in List of works based on Peter Pan due to it's source material. If that's the case then maybe you should check whether some of the comics be removed as some of them maybe self-published or released independently like some comics and graphic novels do since you say they're not relevant. Better yet lets take down the whole article until we can all authentically find proof that say none of the material on it was not self-made, or self-produced, or self-published. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 11:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC) 

:If and when ''The Pirate Princess Chronicles'' are released on TV, they'll be listed under the appropriate section. You're right about the comics: I hadn't checked them recently and I have now deleted one entry. As for the other works, it is easy to check who published them on their Amazon entry and you can then double-check on the mainstream publishers website. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 13:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

It appears that Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands was published more than once over the years were all of them done through independent means? Peter Pan part of the urban-toons series might fit into this as well, as Urban-Toons series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of publisher after all of those that were singled out may not all be self published as they first appear, sorry to be a pain but I just need to make sure, the same goes for those you've left is every one of those books and comics done by an official reputable publisher?
— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 23:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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==RE: Middleton==
It has not been discussed for some months (since May, and early May at that). If you look at all the other female royals articles, they indeed use the same format. Also, as the other editor said, she is no longer known as Kate. ★[[User:Dasani|Dasani]]★ 01:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

== Hook (film) ==

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== Leveson Inquiry and J K Rowling ==

Please explain why a link to a the [[Leveson Inquiry]] is not an adequate citation. The document cited is a signed witness statement which Rowling was questioned on extensively in open court and on live national British television - it may seem to be at odds with the findings of the extensive Talk discussions on whether Ms Rowling has a middle name, but my wording doesn't comment on or contradict these findings; it simply states, factually, that this was the style of address that Rowling used for her witness statement (and, incidentally, when she swore the oath before giving evidence).[[User:Headhitter|Headhitter]] ([[User talk:Headhitter|talk]]) 20:06, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I meant no disrespect but I just didn't think a link to a pdf document was a suitable citation. Now that I've seen the full source, I accept I was wrong but I think you should add the complete reference so that everyone can see where the document actually came from.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 09:33, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd thought the reference was complete: what else do you feel should be included? [[User:Headhitter|Headhitter]] ([[User talk:Headhitter|talk]]) 10:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The first link just brought up the pdf document. The full link you've referenced in the Talk section takes you to the Leveson Inquiry site, which clearly shows where the document was downloaded from. That's all I meant.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 12:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Re:[[Peter Pan]] ==

Hi Stelmaris, Thank you for your recent interaction about the copyright of Peter Pan (on J M Barrie).
I have an email from Emily Beahan, on behalf of Peter Pan at GOSH, stating that ‘Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens and Peter & Wendy are both in the public domain and so you would not need any permission to use extracts ’. The situation is rather complicated but do you think the following would be a more accurate edit?
He left the bulk of his estate to his secretary Cynthia Asquith [36] although he had already given the rights, including any adaptations or retelling of the story of Peter Pan, to Great Ormond Street Hospital, where they remain in perpetuity. The texts of the books ‘Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens’ and ‘Peter and Wendy’ are in the public domain in the UK.
Many thanks [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9|talk]]) 15:51, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Mountain9. Thank you for checking the current facts - which are indeed that Peter Pan works (the play, the novel, The Little White Bird and PP in Kensington Gardens) are '''now''' in the public domain in the UK, which is not in dispute. The point I was making in the paragraph I edited was that at the time of his death, the bulk of his estate was left to Cynthia Asquith, with the exception of the rights to Peter Pan works as their copyright had already been gifted to the hospital: at that time, it was a full copyright, in force worldwide (at least in countries which recognised copyright laws). As of 2016, it is only the play that is still in copyright in the US (until 2023) and in the UK, the hospital has a right to royalty in perpetuity granted by an Act of Parliament (Copyright Designs & Patents Act) passed in 1988, which is not a copyright. Copyright expired in other countries at various times over the last 50 years.

However, because the current copyright status is different in different countries, I don't think we could say the rights were given to Great Ormond Street Hospital "where they remain in perpetuity", which would be incorrect. The copyright granted by Barrie (excluded from his estate inherited by Cynthia Asquith) and the right to royalty granted by the Government are two very different things. Also by implication, copyright means all intellectual property rights in a work, so there's no need to specify "including adaptations or retelling of the story of PP" which should go without saying. I would suggest we just link the reference to "copyright" and "Peter Pan works" to the actual page of [[Peter and Wendy|Peter Pan]], which explains all the copyright stuff for readers who want to find out more. (Incidentally, the right to royalty from the CDPA does not extend to The Little White Bird or PP in Kensington Gardens, but only to the story of Peter Pan as told in the play and novel.).

Yes, it is complicated - but I hope this is helpful! It is actually explained in detail on the GOSH.org website where I got most of this info. --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 17:16, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stelmaris, Thanks for getting back to me. I am happy with the intent of your suggestions. As you say, The LWB and PPinKG were not part of the Peter Pan Gift to GOSH but that is my point – ‘all Peter Pan works’ includes these books. Would you be happy with this? ‘He left the bulk of his estates (excluding the rights to the Peter Pan play [link to PP page] whose copyright he had previously given to Great Ormond Street Hospital) to his secretary Cynthia Asquith.’ I am fairly new to Wikipedia and still trying to find my way around but I like the culture. Many thanks ```` — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mountain9|contribs]]) 18:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC) 

Hi there. Actually, The LWB and PPIKG were definitely part of Barrie's gift, together with both novel and play, but I realise my earlier reply did not make it clear! When he gave the copyright to GOSH, it was to the whole of the PP works, as confirmed later in his will (which you can read on the jmbarrie.co.uk website). Although people often refer to GOSH having the rights to the play, I believe this confusion arises from the fact that it is now only the play that is still in copyright in the US because of the different legislation at the time (the novel entered the public domain in the 80s). In the UK (and the rest of Europe), copyright term was defined by the life of author + 50 Years (later 70), whilst in the US it used to be from date of publication - the play was published 17 years after the novel, so it fell into a different timescale. The rights granted in the UK by the CDPA apply to all commercial exploitation of the story of PP on stage, publication, broadcast, film (but not merchandise or spin-offs). Enjoy Wikipedia!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 08:58, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks. Now I understand, I think, and I agree that what matters in this section is what appertained at the time of Barrie's death, not what is the case now. My copy of Birkin's Lost Boys is the old one (!) and other sources are very muddled. Sorry to have taken up your time. [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9|talk]]) 10:01, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

No apology necessary, you're welcome! I've been studying the story of Barrie and PP, and the complexities of copyright for a long time, so always happy to help clarify. I've reworded the legacy paragraph and inserted links, so trust it makes more sense now. Cheers!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 10:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stelmaris - I've just undone your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=519192181&oldid=519189475 undoing of my removal of the "reference"] from the Peter Pan article. If you'd checked my edit summary you'd see that I removed it because it was a [[Wikipedia:Glossary#Circular reference|circular reference]] - i.e., the source used was Wikipedia itself. As such, it is not a reliable reference and should not be in Wikipedia. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 23:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
:Odd. I've never seen anyone using a reference citation for a Wikipedia image before, and I'm still not really convinced it makes sense. Surely it would be better to actually add the image, possibly as part of a gallery at the foot of the page. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 11:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I never thought of it as a reference citation, just a link to an image kept in Wikipedia Commons for general use. The image referenced for the statue in Brussels is also from Wikipedia commons, and I've come across linking to a wiki image in many other articles. I don't see it as a problem, on the contrary, as there's no conflict or copyright infringement involved, and the image adds to the piece about the copies of the statue worldwide. If you think they'd be better in the gallery, that works as well. BTW, I like your addition of the Dunedin statues!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 12:42, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks! Yes, I think a gallery would work better. Next time I'm down at the Botanic Gardens I'll take a photo of the Dunedin one to add to it :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 23:13, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

== Centred ==

Hi there - I think with all due respect that you may have got [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=next&oldid=538816370 this] backwards!? BrE = centre, AmE = center; so BrE = centred, AmE = centered. No? Or am I going nuts? cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 08:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:PS [http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/centred Here's] a ref. I know it's not OED itself (too lazy right now) but it comes from the right aisle in the right shop ... cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 08:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Whoops, you're perfectly right. I must have had a mental meltdown that evening, apologies for amending your correct edit.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 13:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Please don't apologize, especially since (in the words of the song) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=prev&oldid=538816370 it wasn't me] ... I just blundered into the aftermath with my size 10s on. :) Thanks very much for the nice reply. [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Definitely meltdown. However, as the previous editor didn't identify him/herself, you'll have to accept the apology on their behalf! --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 16:54, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Ha, thanks for that! :) cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
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==[[Zena Dare]]==
You wrote: "This is covered in most reference books on Peter Pan, which I'm happy to list as sources if necessary."

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==Removal of Pic==
Not sure why you keep removing this pic! How is it inappropriate? It's a vintage picture of a Peter Pan statue from London Ontario showing the wide spread popularity of this figure, please don't remove again without proper discussion on talk page~

I have explained several times why I have removed the picture, and already left an explanation on the talk page, which you ignored. This picture brings nothing of encyclopedic worth to the page and is clearly about the little girl (whom I suspect is you?) - which is very sweet by the way, but is not suitable for the page. It will be deleted again, if not by me, by others. --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 22:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I cropped the pic so the focal point is the statue, the statute has long since been removed from the park ( which I thought was a shame) :(

Hi. I'm sorry, but even cropped, the picture is wrong for the page - the girl's face is still the most prominent feature of the shot, and you can't really distinguish the statue itself. The fact the statue has long been removed from the park is another argument for not posting the picture. Please take the discussion to the talk page before reinserting it. If you want to include a picture of the statue in Glenn Gould Park in Toronto, that would make more sense. (By the way, please also sign your posts.)--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 09:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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Heya, Thanks for explaining your revert. I'd been seeing some enthusiasm on Tinkerbell as a great intro to engineering for kids as she designs and builds things that people needs. Since there isn't a category for tinker and engineering encompasses those traits and skills I thought it fit. Let me know what you think! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUVGZiPN0hM & http://www.themarysue.com/stem-tinker-bell/ [[User:H0n0r|H0n0r]] ([[User talk:H0n0r|talk]]) 18:17, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. I see your point about encouraging and inspiring girls (and boys) into engineering and designing, but I cannot see how these categories would fit into the Tinker Bell page, which is primarily about the character created by JM Barrie - and Tinker Bell was definitely not an engineer in the original story. This is something made up by Disney (who probably didn't like the idea of promoting a tinker!), so I would suggest you add the categories to the Disney Tinker Bell pages, as that would be more appropriate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Bell_(film_series) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Bell_(film). What do you think? --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 20:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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== Jas is short for James ==
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:Easy mistake. Who uses Jas nowadays? [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 09:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

== List of works based on Peter Pan: Difference between revisions ==
Stelmaris with your Clean up - removed self-published works, not notable since titles ''Peter Pan's NeverWorld'' and ''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between'' by Peter Von Brown are done by a rather well known scholar who did his thesis on James Matthew Barrie and is therefore a noted expert in Barrie's literature who was granted special access to his unfinished works and used his genuine unfinished drafts to complete his sequel to Peter and Wendy and it's prequel. Both books would've been done by Barrie himself had he been able to finish them. So both books are relative to the list and can you be so sure they were actually self-published and if they were some Users might not see it as particularly relevant http://petervonbrown.blogspot.com/ — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) 21:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 19:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC) 

How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore desevers to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 11:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:I'm sorry but I'm going to completely disagree with you. Self-published works are not notable, and whatever Peter Von Brown may have said and boasted about his books (using Barrie's own ideas etc), they are just not particularly good or well-written. It is of course my opinion, but if a book is not taken up by a proper mainstream publisher, there is already an indication that they're not up to a certain standard. Self-published books are not properly edited and Von Brown's syntax and grammar are pretty wonky at times. His second book is even worse than the first. The idea may be good, but not the execution. I don't think a new section of "self-published works" is a good idea, because that leaves the door open to all the other ones. As per Wikipedia's rules, they don't merit a listing because they're not notable. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 18:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

That's very true but on occasion proper mainstream publisher who've turned down such authors who then gone on to self-publish later on get back to said authors with request to publish future projects. The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series (self-published) by R. V. Bowman is currently being made into a live action series so Bowman must've done something right. Then again you could argue that this only happened as standards for TV ideas might be slipping since streaming became more widely available and it's just a competition now to get the next big thing therefore making Bowman's work irrelevant — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) 21:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 23:02, 18th July (UTC) 

:I take your point. Yes, some self-published books do get a new life with mainstream publishers. However, Peter Von Brown's works have had some 15 years to make it and they haven't. I'm not convinced that he's an expert on Barrie either. He might well have done a thesis [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::(Sorry, pressed Return by mistake!) So he might well have done a thesis or paper on Barrie, but hundreds of students have done that and they don't call themselves experts. Anyone can have access to the Barrie archives at the Beinecke Library so there's nothing special about that. If he was indeed an expert on the subject, his works would appear as references in other works or websites (like Andrew Birkin's or Bruce Handson's books) but they don't, which says a lot. My point remains that self-published books are not notable for Wikipedia otherwise we [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
:::(Did it again!) ...otherwise any page on authors or classic novels would get thousands of fan fiction or vanity publishing titles listed. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
I take it that when they do get around to releasing ''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series'' on the small screen it won't be included in List of works based on Peter Pan due to it's source material. If that's the case then maybe you should check whether some of the comics be removed as some of them maybe self-published or released independently like some comics and graphic novels do since you say they're not relevant. Better yet lets take down the whole article until we can all authentically find proof that say none of the material on it was not self-made, or self-produced, or self-published. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 11:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC) 

:If and when ''The Pirate Princess Chronicles'' are released on TV, they'll be listed under the appropriate section. You're right about the comics: I hadn't checked them recently and I have now deleted one entry. As for the other works, it is easy to check who published them on their Amazon entry and you can then double-check on the mainstream publishers website. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 13:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Are you aware that Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands was published more than once over the years were all of them done through independent means? Peter Pan part of the urban-toons series might fit into this as well, as Urban-Toons series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of puplisher after all of those that were singled out may not all be self published
— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 23:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Leveson Inquiry and J K Rowling ==

Please explain why a link to a the [[Leveson Inquiry]] is not an adequate citation. The document cited is a signed witness statement which Rowling was questioned on extensively in open court and on live national British television - it may seem to be at odds with the findings of the extensive Talk discussions on whether Ms Rowling has a middle name, but my wording doesn't comment on or contradict these findings; it simply states, factually, that this was the style of address that Rowling used for her witness statement (and, incidentally, when she swore the oath before giving evidence).[[User:Headhitter|Headhitter]] ([[User talk:Headhitter|talk]]) 20:06, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I meant no disrespect but I just didn't think a link to a pdf document was a suitable citation. Now that I've seen the full source, I accept I was wrong but I think you should add the complete reference so that everyone can see where the document actually came from.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 09:33, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd thought the reference was complete: what else do you feel should be included? [[User:Headhitter|Headhitter]] ([[User talk:Headhitter|talk]]) 10:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The first link just brought up the pdf document. The full link you've referenced in the Talk section takes you to the Leveson Inquiry site, which clearly shows where the document was downloaded from. That's all I meant.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 12:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Re:[[Peter Pan]] ==

Hi Stelmaris, Thank you for your recent interaction about the copyright of Peter Pan (on J M Barrie).
I have an email from Emily Beahan, on behalf of Peter Pan at GOSH, stating that ‘Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens and Peter & Wendy are both in the public domain and so you would not need any permission to use extracts ’. The situation is rather complicated but do you think the following would be a more accurate edit?
He left the bulk of his estate to his secretary Cynthia Asquith [36] although he had already given the rights, including any adaptations or retelling of the story of Peter Pan, to Great Ormond Street Hospital, where they remain in perpetuity. The texts of the books ‘Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens’ and ‘Peter and Wendy’ are in the public domain in the UK.
Many thanks [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9|talk]]) 15:51, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Mountain9. Thank you for checking the current facts - which are indeed that Peter Pan works (the play, the novel, The Little White Bird and PP in Kensington Gardens) are '''now''' in the public domain in the UK, which is not in dispute. The point I was making in the paragraph I edited was that at the time of his death, the bulk of his estate was left to Cynthia Asquith, with the exception of the rights to Peter Pan works as their copyright had already been gifted to the hospital: at that time, it was a full copyright, in force worldwide (at least in countries which recognised copyright laws). As of 2016, it is only the play that is still in copyright in the US (until 2023) and in the UK, the hospital has a right to royalty in perpetuity granted by an Act of Parliament (Copyright Designs & Patents Act) passed in 1988, which is not a copyright. Copyright expired in other countries at various times over the last 50 years.

However, because the current copyright status is different in different countries, I don't think we could say the rights were given to Great Ormond Street Hospital "where they remain in perpetuity", which would be incorrect. The copyright granted by Barrie (excluded from his estate inherited by Cynthia Asquith) and the right to royalty granted by the Government are two very different things. Also by implication, copyright means all intellectual property rights in a work, so there's no need to specify "including adaptations or retelling of the story of PP" which should go without saying. I would suggest we just link the reference to "copyright" and "Peter Pan works" to the actual page of [[Peter and Wendy|Peter Pan]], which explains all the copyright stuff for readers who want to find out more. (Incidentally, the right to royalty from the CDPA does not extend to The Little White Bird or PP in Kensington Gardens, but only to the story of Peter Pan as told in the play and novel.).

Yes, it is complicated - but I hope this is helpful! It is actually explained in detail on the GOSH.org website where I got most of this info. --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 17:16, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stelmaris, Thanks for getting back to me. I am happy with the intent of your suggestions. As you say, The LWB and PPinKG were not part of the Peter Pan Gift to GOSH but that is my point – ‘all Peter Pan works’ includes these books. Would you be happy with this? ‘He left the bulk of his estates (excluding the rights to the Peter Pan play [link to PP page] whose copyright he had previously given to Great Ormond Street Hospital) to his secretary Cynthia Asquith.’ I am fairly new to Wikipedia and still trying to find my way around but I like the culture. Many thanks ```` — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mountain9|contribs]]) 18:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC) 

Hi there. Actually, The LWB and PPIKG were definitely part of Barrie's gift, together with both novel and play, but I realise my earlier reply did not make it clear! When he gave the copyright to GOSH, it was to the whole of the PP works, as confirmed later in his will (which you can read on the jmbarrie.co.uk website). Although people often refer to GOSH having the rights to the play, I believe this confusion arises from the fact that it is now only the play that is still in copyright in the US because of the different legislation at the time (the novel entered the public domain in the 80s). In the UK (and the rest of Europe), copyright term was defined by the life of author + 50 Years (later 70), whilst in the US it used to be from date of publication - the play was published 17 years after the novel, so it fell into a different timescale. The rights granted in the UK by the CDPA apply to all commercial exploitation of the story of PP on stage, publication, broadcast, film (but not merchandise or spin-offs). Enjoy Wikipedia!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 08:58, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks. Now I understand, I think, and I agree that what matters in this section is what appertained at the time of Barrie's death, not what is the case now. My copy of Birkin's Lost Boys is the old one (!) and other sources are very muddled. Sorry to have taken up your time. [[User:Mountain9|Mountain9]] ([[User talk:Mountain9|talk]]) 10:01, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

No apology necessary, you're welcome! I've been studying the story of Barrie and PP, and the complexities of copyright for a long time, so always happy to help clarify. I've reworded the legacy paragraph and inserted links, so trust it makes more sense now. Cheers!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 10:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stelmaris - I've just undone your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=519192181&oldid=519189475 undoing of my removal of the "reference"] from the Peter Pan article. If you'd checked my edit summary you'd see that I removed it because it was a [[Wikipedia:Glossary#Circular reference|circular reference]] - i.e., the source used was Wikipedia itself. As such, it is not a reliable reference and should not be in Wikipedia. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 23:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
:Odd. I've never seen anyone using a reference citation for a Wikipedia image before, and I'm still not really convinced it makes sense. Surely it would be better to actually add the image, possibly as part of a gallery at the foot of the page. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 11:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I never thought of it as a reference citation, just a link to an image kept in Wikipedia Commons for general use. The image referenced for the statue in Brussels is also from Wikipedia commons, and I've come across linking to a wiki image in many other articles. I don't see it as a problem, on the contrary, as there's no conflict or copyright infringement involved, and the image adds to the piece about the copies of the statue worldwide. If you think they'd be better in the gallery, that works as well. BTW, I like your addition of the Dunedin statues!--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 12:42, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks! Yes, I think a gallery would work better. Next time I'm down at the Botanic Gardens I'll take a photo of the Dunedin one to add to it :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]'' 23:13, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

== Centred ==

Hi there - I think with all due respect that you may have got [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=next&oldid=538816370 this] backwards!? BrE = centre, AmE = center; so BrE = centred, AmE = centered. No? Or am I going nuts? cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 08:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:PS [http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/centred Here's] a ref. I know it's not OED itself (too lazy right now) but it comes from the right aisle in the right shop ... cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 08:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Whoops, you're perfectly right. I must have had a mental meltdown that evening, apologies for amending your correct edit.--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 13:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Please don't apologize, especially since (in the words of the song) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Pan&diff=prev&oldid=538816370 it wasn't me] ... I just blundered into the aftermath with my size 10s on. :) Thanks very much for the nice reply. [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Definitely meltdown. However, as the previous editor didn't identify him/herself, you'll have to accept the apology on their behalf! --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 16:54, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Ha, thanks for that! :) cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
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Not sure why you keep removing this pic! How is it inappropriate? It's a vintage picture of a Peter Pan statue from London Ontario showing the wide spread popularity of this figure, please don't remove again without proper discussion on talk page~

I have explained several times why I have removed the picture, and already left an explanation on the talk page, which you ignored. This picture brings nothing of encyclopedic worth to the page and is clearly about the little girl (whom I suspect is you?) - which is very sweet by the way, but is not suitable for the page. It will be deleted again, if not by me, by others. --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 22:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I cropped the pic so the focal point is the statue, the statute has long since been removed from the park ( which I thought was a shame) :(

Hi. I'm sorry, but even cropped, the picture is wrong for the page - the girl's face is still the most prominent feature of the shot, and you can't really distinguish the statue itself. The fact the statue has long been removed from the park is another argument for not posting the picture. Please take the discussion to the talk page before reinserting it. If you want to include a picture of the statue in Glenn Gould Park in Toronto, that would make more sense. (By the way, please also sign your posts.)--[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 09:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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Heya, Thanks for explaining your revert. I'd been seeing some enthusiasm on Tinkerbell as a great intro to engineering for kids as she designs and builds things that people needs. Since there isn't a category for tinker and engineering encompasses those traits and skills I thought it fit. Let me know what you think! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUVGZiPN0hM & http://www.themarysue.com/stem-tinker-bell/ [[User:H0n0r|H0n0r]] ([[User talk:H0n0r|talk]]) 18:17, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. I see your point about encouraging and inspiring girls (and boys) into engineering and designing, but I cannot see how these categories would fit into the Tinker Bell page, which is primarily about the character created by JM Barrie - and Tinker Bell was definitely not an engineer in the original story. This is something made up by Disney (who probably didn't like the idea of promoting a tinker!), so I would suggest you add the categories to the Disney Tinker Bell pages, as that would be more appropriate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Bell_(film_series) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Bell_(film). What do you think? --[[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 20:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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Stelmaris,

I have reverted your edit to the article [[Miss Marple]] where you deleted the referenced addition of Estonian actress Ita Ever. Your reasoning for the deletion that the actress is unknown in the UK or USA, and the performances were not authorised by the Christie estate, have no basis in Wikipedia policy. English language Wikipedia doesn't have a preference or tiers of preferences for what is known or not known in anglophone nations. Any language or culture is acceptable, so long as it is properly referenced. Whether or not the films or plays were authorised by the Christie estate also has no bearing on notability. We are not somehow beholden to the Christie estate to bury "unauthorised performances". That they were performed, were notable and are referenced is what matters -- not whether someone in Ohio or Dorchester has heard of the actress that portrayed Miss Marple or not, or whether the Christie estate approves or sanctioned the performance. Ever is widely known in Estonia for her appearances in film, television and theatre as the character of Miss Marple. [[User:ExRat|ExRat]] ([[User talk:ExRat|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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== North African villas ==

Thanks very much for the image of the Villa Harris at the [[Walter Burton Harris]] article; it's an excellent addition. We now have such a number of valuable Harris shots that I almost think we need a gallery. Taking a '''very''' long shot, you don't happen to have a photo of the [[Villa Taylor]] in [[Marrakesh]], perchance? I got interested in the villa when I did this little thing, [[Tower of the Koutoubia Mosque]], but I always regret doing an architecture article that doesn't have an image. No worries if not, of course. Best regards. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 18:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

:Hi. Sorry, I don’t. I’ve just come back from a short stay in Tangier, when I visited the gardens of the Villa Harris (which I knew as a child, before Club Med took over) but I haven’t been to Marrakesh for years. I don’t know the villa Taylor but I’ll now look it up. Cheers. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 20:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

== Jas is short for James ==
Well, don't I feel silly. Thank you for the correction. --[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 06:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

:Easy mistake. Who uses Jas nowadays? [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 09:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

== List of works based on Peter Pan: Difference between revisions ==
Stelmaris with your Clean up - removed self-published works, not notable since titles ''Peter Pan's NeverWorld'' and ''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between'' by Peter Von Brown are done by a rather well known scholar who did his thesis on James Matthew Barrie and is therefore a noted expert in Barrie's literature who was granted special access to his unfinished works and used his genuine unfinished drafts to complete his sequel to Peter and Wendy and it's prequel. Both books would've been done by Barrie himself had he been able to finish them. So both books are relative to the list and can you be so sure they were actually self-published and if they were some Users might not see it as particularly relevant http://petervonbrown.blogspot.com/ — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) 21:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 19:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC) 

How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore desevers to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 11:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:I'm sorry but I'm going to completely disagree with you. Self-published works are not notable, and whatever Peter Von Brown may have said and boasted about his books (using Barrie's own ideas etc), they are just not particularly good or well-written. It is of course my opinion, but if a book is not taken up by a proper mainstream publisher, there is already an indication that they're not up to a certain standard. Self-published books are not properly edited and Von Brown's syntax and grammar are pretty wonky at times. His second book is even worse than the first. The idea may be good, but not the execution. I don't think a new section of "self-published works" is a good idea, because that leaves the door open to all the other ones. As per Wikipedia's rules, they don't merit a listing because they're not notable. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 18:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

That's very true but on occasion proper mainstream publisher who've turned down such authors who then gone on to self-publish later on get back to said authors with request to publish future projects. The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series (self-published) by R. V. Bowman is currently being made into a live action series so Bowman must've done something right. Then again you could argue that this only happened as standards for TV ideas might be slipping since streaming became more widely available and it's just a competition now to get the next big thing therefore making Bowman's work irrelevant — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|[[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) 21:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 23:02, 18th July (UTC) 

:I take your point. Yes, some self-published books do get a new life with mainstream publishers. However, Peter Von Brown's works have had some 15 years to make it and they haven't. I'm not convinced that he's an expert on Barrie either. He might well have done a thesis [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::(Sorry, pressed Return by mistake!) So he might well have done a thesis or paper on Barrie, but hundreds of students have done that and they don't call themselves experts. Anyone can have access to the Barrie archives at the Beinecke Library so there's nothing special about that. If he was indeed an expert on the subject, his works would appear as references in other works or websites (like Andrew Birkin's or Bruce Handson's books) but they don't, which says a lot. My point remains that self-published books are not notable for Wikipedia otherwise we [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
:::(Did it again!) ...otherwise any page on authors or classic novels would get thousands of fan fiction or vanity publishing titles listed. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 06:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
I take it that when they do get around to releasing ''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series'' on the small screen it won't be included in List of works based on Peter Pan due to it's source material. If that's the case then maybe you should check whether some of the comics be removed as some of them maybe self-published or released independently like some comics and graphic novels do since you say they're not relevant. Better yet lets take down the whole article until we can all authentically find proof that say none of the material on it was not self-made, or self-produced, or self-published. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 11:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC) 

:If and when ''The Pirate Princess Chronicles'' are released on TV, they'll be listed under the appropriate section. You're right about the comics: I hadn't checked them recently and I have now deleted one entry. As for the other works, it is easy to check who published them on their Amazon entry and you can then double-check on the mainstream publishers website. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris#top|talk]]) 13:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Are you aware that Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands was published more than once over the years were all of them done through independent means? Peter Pan part of the urban-toons series might fit into this as well, as Urban-Toons series may not be entirely independent but might belong to some sort of puplisher after all of those that were singled out may not all be self published
— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 11:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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== July music ==
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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:Congrats on the GA!! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 02:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you! On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD death article]] that needs reviewing, [[Martti Wallén]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Pictured on the Main page: Brian's [[Mozart family grand tour]], my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#9 Jul|story today]], and [[Mozart]] related to all three items of [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, [[Martti Wallén]], a bass, and [[Liana Isakadze]], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). - In Bach's chorale cantata, [[Was willst du dich betrüben, BWV 107|BWV 107]] will be next, perhaps good for a lilypond of the tune or the final chorale? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
:::If you point me at the specific part that should be transcribed, I can give it a shot. (I pulled it up on IMSLP but don't know where to look.) [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: I wanted to link to Dahn, but when I last posted the website was under maintenance. [http://www.bach-chorales.com/BWV0107_7.htm here] - melody looks slightly embellished, for the triple metre's sake. - [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#11 Jul|Today's story]] is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you, just what I needed ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#13 Jul|I remember today]] it today, in Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD]], [[Marina Kondratyeva]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jul|story today]] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about [[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]], opera by [[Mozart]], while [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#15 Jul|yesterday's]] was - because of the TFA - about [[Les contes d'Hoffmann]], opera by [[Jacques Offenbach|Offenbach]], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:I don't think one can ever have too much Mozart so looks great to me! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Deleted my page ==

Draft OLYA K wa real , you have deleted it. Can you please fix that? [[User:Olyasongs|Olyasongs]] ([[User talk:Olyasongs|talk]]) 16:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:The text on the page page was a copy of http://www.olyafans.com/ which is not allowed for copyright reasons. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 21:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== Question from [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] (23:19, 6 July 2024) ==

How can I protect a page? Someone keeps vandalizing a page and I keep reverting their edits but they won't stop. --[[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Trulyy}} You can request page protection at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] Thank you, and at what point can I myself protect a page? Is it only for administrators? [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, only administrators have the ability to protect pages (and delete pages and block accounts). [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== There's a possible vandalism in the Great American Novel Page ==

Someone deleted Gone With the Wind from there. [[User:Dsdias04|Dsdias04]] ([[User talk:Dsdias04|talk]]) 14:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Probably not vandalism, just someone who removed it based on their own opinion (not ideal either). That said, you probably want to look for stronger sourcing than a single opinion piece in the ''[[Washington Examiner]]'' for inclusion. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 18:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== thank you for format help! ==

Thank you so much for help with the format for the proverbs quoted in Ndau and English in the Ndau dialect article. I had done the same for a Mongo language article this weekend, so I just went and changed those proverbs to follow the same style. I plan to add proverbs in this way for all the African language articles for which there are good bilingual proverb collections in the public domain or in books/articles available at Internet Archive, so your edits will help me with all those proverbs yet to come too. Much appreciated! [[User:Laurakgibbs|Laurakgibbs]] ([[User talk:Laurakgibbs|talk]]) 23:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Laurakgibbs}} No problem, good luck with the edits! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For taking part in the dirtiest work I have ever given the community. [[User:Scorpions1325|Scorpions1325]] ([[User talk:Scorpions1325|talk]]) 15:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
|}

: {{re|Scorpions1325}} Thanks! The revision deletion is the easy part, you're doing the hard work! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Stop spamming J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio everywhere, please...REPLY ==
I wasn't spamming and if it seemed that way it wasn't meant to appear that way and it wasn't J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio I was using I was only trying to raise awareness of Peter Von Brown since he apparently is a renown scholar on the subject of James Matthew Barrie receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker and was privy to the actual unused notes left by J.M. Barrie himself, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Therefore he might be someone to at the vey least acknowledge in passing or he might not but what if there's some truth in his bio? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 21:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Even portions of your message here contain text copied from <s>Barrie's</s> Brown's bio, because I know you didn't write the phrase {{tq|jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan}} yourself. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::I did mean to write {{em|Brown's}} bio instead of Barrie's bio, though. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this wasn't spamming just requesting a note to raise awareness of the author if you take this as some sort of a personal attack against Wikipedia perhaps such a thing might be taken out of context. One shouldn't assume the worst, this was just an innocent suggestion not some act of maliciousness against Wikipeda — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 
:I don't think it was malicious, just misguided, and sorry if my wording was harsh. I've modified my original message on your talk page to say "posting", not "spamming". [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Administrator DanCherek this was only to make aware of the author, some of your Users feel he is not worth mentioning because he self-publishes but one shouldn't disregard him if he is somewhat established. This is precisely why I stepped back from editing on Wikipedia because it caused too many unnecessary conflicts with others who were consistently squabbling with one another over what was best for such and such articles on Wikipedia. I try to return to help out in contributing in some way or other and now it starts all over again. NOTHING'S MUCH CHANGED...it's only become MORE COMPLICATED with all these BRAND NEW RULES TO NOT VIOLATE. I'm sorry if I'm venting but you can't add anything nowadays to this site without someone finding some sort of fault in it — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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== July music ==
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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:Congrats on the GA!! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 02:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you! On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD death article]] that needs reviewing, [[Martti Wallén]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Pictured on the Main page: Brian's [[Mozart family grand tour]], my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#9 Jul|story today]], and [[Mozart]] related to all three items of [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, [[Martti Wallén]], a bass, and [[Liana Isakadze]], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). - In Bach's chorale cantata, [[Was willst du dich betrüben, BWV 107|BWV 107]] will be next, perhaps good for a lilypond of the tune or the final chorale? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
:::If you point me at the specific part that should be transcribed, I can give it a shot. (I pulled it up on IMSLP but don't know where to look.) [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: I wanted to link to Dahn, but when I last posted the website was under maintenance. [http://www.bach-chorales.com/BWV0107_7.htm here] - melody looks slightly embellished, for the triple metre's sake. - [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#11 Jul|Today's story]] is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you, just what I needed ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#13 Jul|I remember today]] it today, in Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD]], [[Marina Kondratyeva]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jul|story today]] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about [[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]], opera by [[Mozart]], while [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#15 Jul|yesterday's]] was - because of the TFA - about [[Les contes d'Hoffmann]], opera by [[Jacques Offenbach|Offenbach]], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:I don't think one can ever have too much Mozart so looks great to me! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Deleted my page ==

Draft OLYA K wa real , you have deleted it. Can you please fix that? [[User:Olyasongs|Olyasongs]] ([[User talk:Olyasongs|talk]]) 16:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:The text on the page page was a copy of http://www.olyafans.com/ which is not allowed for copyright reasons. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 21:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== Question from [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] (23:19, 6 July 2024) ==

How can I protect a page? Someone keeps vandalizing a page and I keep reverting their edits but they won't stop. --[[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Trulyy}} You can request page protection at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] Thank you, and at what point can I myself protect a page? Is it only for administrators? [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, only administrators have the ability to protect pages (and delete pages and block accounts). [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== There's a possible vandalism in the Great American Novel Page ==

Someone deleted Gone With the Wind from there. [[User:Dsdias04|Dsdias04]] ([[User talk:Dsdias04|talk]]) 14:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Probably not vandalism, just someone who removed it based on their own opinion (not ideal either). That said, you probably want to look for stronger sourcing than a single opinion piece in the ''[[Washington Examiner]]'' for inclusion. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 18:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== thank you for format help! ==

Thank you so much for help with the format for the proverbs quoted in Ndau and English in the Ndau dialect article. I had done the same for a Mongo language article this weekend, so I just went and changed those proverbs to follow the same style. I plan to add proverbs in this way for all the African language articles for which there are good bilingual proverb collections in the public domain or in books/articles available at Internet Archive, so your edits will help me with all those proverbs yet to come too. Much appreciated! [[User:Laurakgibbs|Laurakgibbs]] ([[User talk:Laurakgibbs|talk]]) 23:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Laurakgibbs}} No problem, good luck with the edits! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For taking part in the dirtiest work I have ever given the community. [[User:Scorpions1325|Scorpions1325]] ([[User talk:Scorpions1325|talk]]) 15:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
|}

: {{re|Scorpions1325}} Thanks! The revision deletion is the easy part, you're doing the hard work! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Stop spamming J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio everywhere, please...REPLY ==
I wasn't spamming and if it seemed that way it wasn't meant to appear that way and it wasn't J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio I was using I was only trying to raise awareness of Peter Von Brown since he apparently is a renown scholar on the subject of James Matthew Barrie receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker and was privy to the actual unused notes left by J.M. Barrie himself, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Therefore he might be someone to at the vey least acknowledge in passing or he might not but what if there's some truth in his bio? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 21:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Even portions of your message here contain text copied from <s>Barrie's</s> Brown's bio, because I know you didn't write the phrase {{tq|jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan}} yourself. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::I did mean to write {{em|Brown's}} bio instead of Barrie's bio, though. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this wasn't spamming just requesting a note to raise awareness of the author if you take this as some sort of a personal attack against Wikipedia perhaps such a thing might be taken out of context. One shouldn't assume the worst, this was just an innocent suggestion not some act of maliciousness against Wikipeda — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 
:I don't think it was malicious, just misguided, and sorry if my wording was harsh. I've modified my original message on your talk page to say "posting", not "spamming". [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Administrator DanCherek this was only to make aware of the author, some of your Users feel he is not worth mentioning because he self-publishes but one shouldn't disregard him if he is somewhat established. This is precisely why I stepped back from editing on Wikipedia because it caused too many unnecessary conflicts with others who were consistently squabbling with one another over what was best for such and such articles on Wikipedia. I try to return to help contribute and now it starts all over again. NOTHING'S MUCH CHANGED...it's only become MORE COMPLICATED with all these BRAND NEW RULES TO NOT VIOLATE. I'm sorry if I'm venting but you can't add anything nowadays to this site without someone finding fault int it — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:Congrats on the GA!! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 02:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you! On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD death article]] that needs reviewing, [[Martti Wallén]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Pictured on the Main page: Brian's [[Mozart family grand tour]], my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#9 Jul|story today]], and [[Mozart]] related to all three items of [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, [[Martti Wallén]], a bass, and [[Liana Isakadze]], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). - In Bach's chorale cantata, [[Was willst du dich betrüben, BWV 107|BWV 107]] will be next, perhaps good for a lilypond of the tune or the final chorale? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
:::If you point me at the specific part that should be transcribed, I can give it a shot. (I pulled it up on IMSLP but don't know where to look.) [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: I wanted to link to Dahn, but when I last posted the website was under maintenance. [http://www.bach-chorales.com/BWV0107_7.htm here] - melody looks slightly embellished, for the triple metre's sake. - [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#11 Jul|Today's story]] is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you, just what I needed ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#13 Jul|I remember today]] it today, in Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD]], [[Marina Kondratyeva]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jul|story today]] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about [[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]], opera by [[Mozart]], while [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#15 Jul|yesterday's]] was - because of the TFA - about [[Les contes d'Hoffmann]], opera by [[Jacques Offenbach|Offenbach]], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Deleted my page ==

Draft OLYA K wa real , you have deleted it. Can you please fix that? [[User:Olyasongs|Olyasongs]] ([[User talk:Olyasongs|talk]]) 16:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:The text on the page page was a copy of http://www.olyafans.com/ which is not allowed for copyright reasons. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 21:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== Question from [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] (23:19, 6 July 2024) ==

How can I protect a page? Someone keeps vandalizing a page and I keep reverting their edits but they won't stop. --[[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Trulyy}} You can request page protection at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] Thank you, and at what point can I myself protect a page? Is it only for administrators? [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, only administrators have the ability to protect pages (and delete pages and block accounts). [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== There's a possible vandalism in the Great American Novel Page ==

Someone deleted Gone With the Wind from there. [[User:Dsdias04|Dsdias04]] ([[User talk:Dsdias04|talk]]) 14:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Probably not vandalism, just someone who removed it based on their own opinion (not ideal either). That said, you probably want to look for stronger sourcing than a single opinion piece in the ''[[Washington Examiner]]'' for inclusion. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 18:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== thank you for format help! ==

Thank you so much for help with the format for the proverbs quoted in Ndau and English in the Ndau dialect article. I had done the same for a Mongo language article this weekend, so I just went and changed those proverbs to follow the same style. I plan to add proverbs in this way for all the African language articles for which there are good bilingual proverb collections in the public domain or in books/articles available at Internet Archive, so your edits will help me with all those proverbs yet to come too. Much appreciated! [[User:Laurakgibbs|Laurakgibbs]] ([[User talk:Laurakgibbs|talk]]) 23:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Laurakgibbs}} No problem, good luck with the edits! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Resilient Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Resilient Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For taking part in the dirtiest work I have ever given the community. [[User:Scorpions1325|Scorpions1325]] ([[User talk:Scorpions1325|talk]]) 15:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
|}

: {{re|Scorpions1325}} Thanks! The revision deletion is the easy part, you're doing the hard work! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Stop spamming J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio everywhere, please...REPLY ==
I wasn't spamming and if it seemed that way it wasn't meant to appear that way and it wasn't J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio I was using I was only trying to raise awareness of Peter Von Brown since he apparently is a renown scholar on the subject of James Matthew Barrie receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker and was privy to the actual unused notes left by J.M. Barrie himself, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Therefore he might be someone to at the vey least acknowledge in passing or he might not but what if there's some truth in his bio? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 21:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Even portions of your message here contain text copied from <s>Barrie's</s> Brown's bio, because I know you didn't write the phrase {{tq|jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan}} yourself. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::I did mean to write {{em|Brown's}} bio instead of Barrie's bio, though. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this wasn't spamming just requesting a note to raise awareness of the author if you take this as some sort of a personal attack against Wikipedia perhaps such a thing might be taken out of context. One shouldn't assume the worst, this was just an innocent suggestion not some act of maliciousness against Wikipeda — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 
:I don't think it was malicious, just misguided, and sorry if my wording was harsh. I've modified my original message on your talk page to say "posting", not "spamming". [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Administrator DanCherek this was only to make aware of the author, some of your Users feel he is not worth mentioning because he self-publishes but one shouldn't disregard him if he is somewhat established. This is precisely why I stepped back from editing on Wikipedia because it caused too many unnecessary conflicts with others who were consistently squabbling with one another over what was best for such and such articles on Wikipedia. I try to return to help contribute and now it starts all over again. NOTHING'S MUCH CHANGED...it's only become MORE COMPLICATED with all these BRAND NEW RULES TO NOT VIOLATE. I'm sorry if I'm venting but you can't add anything nowadays to this site without some complaining about it — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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== July music ==
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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:Congrats on the GA!! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 02:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you! On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD death article]] that needs reviewing, [[Martti Wallén]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Pictured on the Main page: Brian's [[Mozart family grand tour]], my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#9 Jul|story today]], and [[Mozart]] related to all three items of [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, [[Martti Wallén]], a bass, and [[Liana Isakadze]], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). - In Bach's chorale cantata, [[Was willst du dich betrüben, BWV 107|BWV 107]] will be next, perhaps good for a lilypond of the tune or the final chorale? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
:::If you point me at the specific part that should be transcribed, I can give it a shot. (I pulled it up on IMSLP but don't know where to look.) [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: I wanted to link to Dahn, but when I last posted the website was under maintenance. [http://www.bach-chorales.com/BWV0107_7.htm here] - melody looks slightly embellished, for the triple metre's sake. - [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#11 Jul|Today's story]] is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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von Her -- zen -- grund ver -- meh -- _ _ _ re,
dir sa -- ge Lob _ und Dank! }
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O Va -- ter, Sohn und Geist,
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Thank you, just what I needed ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#13 Jul|I remember today]] it today, in Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD]], [[Marina Kondratyeva]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jul|story today]] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about [[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]], opera by [[Mozart]], while [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#15 Jul|yesterday's]] was - because of the TFA - about [[Les contes d'Hoffmann]], opera by [[Jacques Offenbach|Offenbach]], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Deleted my page ==

Draft OLYA K wa real , you have deleted it. Can you please fix that? [[User:Olyasongs|Olyasongs]] ([[User talk:Olyasongs|talk]]) 16:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:The text on the page page was a copy of http://www.olyafans.com/ which is not allowed for copyright reasons. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 21:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== Question from [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] (23:19, 6 July 2024) ==

How can I protect a page? Someone keeps vandalizing a page and I keep reverting their edits but they won't stop. --[[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Trulyy}} You can request page protection at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] Thank you, and at what point can I myself protect a page? Is it only for administrators? [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, only administrators have the ability to protect pages (and delete pages and block accounts). [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== There's a possible vandalism in the Great American Novel Page ==

Someone deleted Gone With the Wind from there. [[User:Dsdias04|Dsdias04]] ([[User talk:Dsdias04|talk]]) 14:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Probably not vandalism, just someone who removed it based on their own opinion (not ideal either). That said, you probably want to look for stronger sourcing than a single opinion piece in the ''[[Washington Examiner]]'' for inclusion. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 18:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== thank you for format help! ==

Thank you so much for help with the format for the proverbs quoted in Ndau and English in the Ndau dialect article. I had done the same for a Mongo language article this weekend, so I just went and changed those proverbs to follow the same style. I plan to add proverbs in this way for all the African language articles for which there are good bilingual proverb collections in the public domain or in books/articles available at Internet Archive, so your edits will help me with all those proverbs yet to come too. Much appreciated! [[User:Laurakgibbs|Laurakgibbs]] ([[User talk:Laurakgibbs|talk]]) 23:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Laurakgibbs}} No problem, good luck with the edits! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For taking part in the dirtiest work I have ever given the community. [[User:Scorpions1325|Scorpions1325]] ([[User talk:Scorpions1325|talk]]) 15:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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: {{re|Scorpions1325}} Thanks! The revision deletion is the easy part, you're doing the hard work! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Stop spamming J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio everywhere, please...REPLY ==
I wasn't spamming and if it seemed that way it wasn't meant to appear that way and it wasn't J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio I was using I was only trying to raise awareness of Peter Von Brown since he apparently is a renown scholar on the subject of James Matthew Barrie receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker and was privy to the actual unused notes left by J.M. Barrie himself, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Therefore he might be someone to at the vey least acknowledge in passing or he might not but what if there's some truth in his bio? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 21:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Even portions of your message here contain text copied from <s>Barrie's</s> Brown's bio, because I know you didn't write the phrase {{tq|jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan}} yourself. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::I did mean to write {{em|Brown's}} bio instead of Barrie's bio, though. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this wasn't spamming just requesting a note to raise awareness of the author if you take this as some sort of a personal attack against Wikipedia perhaps such a thing might be taken out of context. One shouldn't assume the worst, this was just an innocent suggestion not some act of maliciousness against Wikipeda — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 
:I don't think it was malicious, just misguided, and sorry if my wording was harsh. I've modified my original message on your talk page to say "posting", not "spamming". [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Administrator DanCherek this was only to make aware of the author, some of your Users feel he is not worth mentioning because he self-publishes but one shouldn't disregard him if he is somewhat established. This is precisely why I stepped back from editing on Wikipedia because it caused too many unnecessary conflicts with others who were consistently squabbling with one another over what was best for such and such articles on Wikipedia. I try to contribute and now it starts again. NOTHING'S MUCH CHANGED...it's only become MORE COMPLICATED with all these BRAND NEW RULES TO NOT VIOLATE. I'm sorry if I'm venting but you can't add anything nowadays to this site without some complaining about it — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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== July music ==
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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:Congrats on the GA!! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 02:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you! On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD death article]] that needs reviewing, [[Martti Wallén]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Pictured on the Main page: Brian's [[Mozart family grand tour]], my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#9 Jul|story today]], and [[Mozart]] related to all three items of [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, [[Martti Wallén]], a bass, and [[Liana Isakadze]], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). - In Bach's chorale cantata, [[Was willst du dich betrüben, BWV 107|BWV 107]] will be next, perhaps good for a lilypond of the tune or the final chorale? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
:::If you point me at the specific part that should be transcribed, I can give it a shot. (I pulled it up on IMSLP but don't know where to look.) [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: I wanted to link to Dahn, but when I last posted the website was under maintenance. [http://www.bach-chorales.com/BWV0107_7.htm here] - melody looks slightly embellished, for the triple metre's sake. - [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#11 Jul|Today's story]] is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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fis4. e! |
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\new Voice = "alto" { \voiceTwo \alto }
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ja all mein Le -- _ ben lang }
\new Lyrics { \set associatedVoice = "soprano" {
von Her -- zen -- grund ver -- meh -- _ _ _ re,
dir sa -- ge Lob _ und Dank! }
}
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O Va -- ter, Sohn und Geist,
der du aus lau -- ter
Gna -- _ _ _ _ den ab -- wen -- dest
Not und Scha -- _ _ _ den,
sei im -- mer -- dar ge -- preist.
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Thank you, just what I needed ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#13 Jul|I remember today]] it today, in Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD]], [[Marina Kondratyeva]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jul|story today]] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about [[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]], opera by [[Mozart]], while [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#15 Jul|yesterday's]] was - because of the TFA - about [[Les contes d'Hoffmann]], opera by [[Jacques Offenbach|Offenbach]], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

== Administrators' newsletter – July 2024 ==

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[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
* The [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey|Community Wishlist]] is re-opening on 15 July 2024. [[:m:Community_Wishlist_Survey/Future_Of_The_Wishlist/Preview_of_the_New_Wishlist#July_1,_2024:_The_Community_Wishlist_is_re-opening_Jul_15,_2024._Here's_what_to_expect,_and_how_to_prepare.|Read more]]

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== Deleted my page ==

Draft OLYA K wa real , you have deleted it. Can you please fix that? [[User:Olyasongs|Olyasongs]] ([[User talk:Olyasongs|talk]]) 16:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:The text on the page page was a copy of http://www.olyafans.com/ which is not allowed for copyright reasons. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 21:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== Question from [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] (23:19, 6 July 2024) ==

How can I protect a page? Someone keeps vandalizing a page and I keep reverting their edits but they won't stop. --[[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Trulyy}} You can request page protection at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] Thank you, and at what point can I myself protect a page? Is it only for administrators? [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, only administrators have the ability to protect pages (and delete pages and block accounts). [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== There's a possible vandalism in the Great American Novel Page ==

Someone deleted Gone With the Wind from there. [[User:Dsdias04|Dsdias04]] ([[User talk:Dsdias04|talk]]) 14:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Probably not vandalism, just someone who removed it based on their own opinion (not ideal either). That said, you probably want to look for stronger sourcing than a single opinion piece in the ''[[Washington Examiner]]'' for inclusion. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 18:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== thank you for format help! ==

Thank you so much for help with the format for the proverbs quoted in Ndau and English in the Ndau dialect article. I had done the same for a Mongo language article this weekend, so I just went and changed those proverbs to follow the same style. I plan to add proverbs in this way for all the African language articles for which there are good bilingual proverb collections in the public domain or in books/articles available at Internet Archive, so your edits will help me with all those proverbs yet to come too. Much appreciated! [[User:Laurakgibbs|Laurakgibbs]] ([[User talk:Laurakgibbs|talk]]) 23:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Laurakgibbs}} No problem, good luck with the edits! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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: {{re|Scorpions1325}} Thanks! The revision deletion is the easy part, you're doing the hard work! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Stop spamming J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio everywhere, please...REPLY ==
I wasn't spamming and if it seemed that way it wasn't meant to appear that way and it wasn't J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio I was using I was only trying to raise awareness of Peter Von Brown since he apparently is a renown scholar on the subject of James Matthew Barrie receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker and was privy to the actual unused notes left by J.M. Barrie himself, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Therefore he might be someone to at the vey least acknowledge in passing or he might not but what if there's some truth in his bio? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 21:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Even portions of your message here contain text copied from <s>Barrie's</s> Brown's bio, because I know you didn't write the phrase {{tq|jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan}} yourself. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::I did mean to write {{em|Brown's}} bio instead of Barrie's bio, though. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this wasn't spamming just requesting a note to raise awareness of the author if you take this as some sort of a personal attack against Wikipedia perhaps such a thing might be taken out of context. One shouldn't assume the worst, this was just an innocent suggestion not some act of maliciousness against Wikipeda — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 
:I don't think it was malicious, just misguided, and sorry if my wording was harsh. I've modified my original message on your talk page to say "posting", not "spamming". [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Administrator DanCherek this was only to make aware of the author, some of your Users feel he is not worth mentioning because he self-publishes but one shouldn't disregard him if he is somewhat established. This is precisely why I stepped back from editing on Wikipedia because it caused too many unnecessary conflicts with others who were consistently squabbling with one another over what was best for such and such articles on Wikipedia. I try to contribute and now it starts again. NOTHING'S MUCH CHANGED...it's only become MORE COMPLICATED with all these BRAND NEW RULES TO NOT VIOLATE. I'm sorry if I'm venting but you can't add anything nowadays to this site without some complaining about it

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== July music ==
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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:Congrats on the GA!! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 02:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you! On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD death article]] that needs reviewing, [[Martti Wallén]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Pictured on the Main page: Brian's [[Mozart family grand tour]], my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#9 Jul|story today]], and [[Mozart]] related to all three items of [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, [[Martti Wallén]], a bass, and [[Liana Isakadze]], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). - In Bach's chorale cantata, [[Was willst du dich betrüben, BWV 107|BWV 107]] will be next, perhaps good for a lilypond of the tune or the final chorale? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
:::If you point me at the specific part that should be transcribed, I can give it a shot. (I pulled it up on IMSLP but don't know where to look.) [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: I wanted to link to Dahn, but when I last posted the website was under maintenance. [http://www.bach-chorales.com/BWV0107_7.htm here] - melody looks slightly embellished, for the triple metre's sake. - [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#11 Jul|Today's story]] is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you, just what I needed ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#13 Jul|I remember today]] it today, in Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD]], [[Marina Kondratyeva]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jul|story today]] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about [[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]], opera by [[Mozart]], while [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#15 Jul|yesterday's]] was - because of the TFA - about [[Les contes d'Hoffmann]], opera by [[Jacques Offenbach|Offenbach]], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Deleted my page ==

Draft OLYA K wa real , you have deleted it. Can you please fix that? [[User:Olyasongs|Olyasongs]] ([[User talk:Olyasongs|talk]]) 16:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:The text on the page page was a copy of http://www.olyafans.com/ which is not allowed for copyright reasons. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 21:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== Question from [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] (23:19, 6 July 2024) ==

How can I protect a page? Someone keeps vandalizing a page and I keep reverting their edits but they won't stop. --[[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Trulyy}} You can request page protection at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] Thank you, and at what point can I myself protect a page? Is it only for administrators? [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, only administrators have the ability to protect pages (and delete pages and block accounts). [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== There's a possible vandalism in the Great American Novel Page ==

Someone deleted Gone With the Wind from there. [[User:Dsdias04|Dsdias04]] ([[User talk:Dsdias04|talk]]) 14:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Probably not vandalism, just someone who removed it based on their own opinion (not ideal either). That said, you probably want to look for stronger sourcing than a single opinion piece in the ''[[Washington Examiner]]'' for inclusion. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 18:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== thank you for format help! ==

Thank you so much for help with the format for the proverbs quoted in Ndau and English in the Ndau dialect article. I had done the same for a Mongo language article this weekend, so I just went and changed those proverbs to follow the same style. I plan to add proverbs in this way for all the African language articles for which there are good bilingual proverb collections in the public domain or in books/articles available at Internet Archive, so your edits will help me with all those proverbs yet to come too. Much appreciated! [[User:Laurakgibbs|Laurakgibbs]] ([[User talk:Laurakgibbs|talk]]) 23:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Laurakgibbs}} No problem, good luck with the edits! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For taking part in the dirtiest work I have ever given the community. [[User:Scorpions1325|Scorpions1325]] ([[User talk:Scorpions1325|talk]]) 15:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
|}

: {{re|Scorpions1325}} Thanks! The revision deletion is the easy part, you're doing the hard work! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Stop spamming J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio everywhere, please...REPLY ==
I wasn't spamming and if it seemed that way it wasn't meant to appear that way and it wasn't J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio I was using I was only trying to raise awareness of Peter Von Brown since he apparently is a renown scholar on the subject of James Matthew Barrie receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker and was privy to the actual unused notes left by J.M. Barrie himself, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Therefore he might be someone to at the vey least acknowledge in passing or he might not but what if there's some truth in his bio? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 21:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Even portions of your message here contain text copied from <s>Barrie's</s> Brown's bio, because I know you didn't write the phrase {{tq|jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan}} yourself. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::I did mean to write {{em|Brown's}} bio instead of Barrie's bio, though. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this wasn't spamming just requesting a note to raise awareness of the author if you take this as some sort of a personal attack against Wikipedia perhaps such a thing might be taken out of context. One shouldn't assume the worst, this was just an innocent suggestion not some act of maliciousness against Wikipeda — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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== July music ==
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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:Congrats on the GA!! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 02:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you! On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD death article]] that needs reviewing, [[Martti Wallén]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Pictured on the Main page: Brian's [[Mozart family grand tour]], my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#9 Jul|story today]], and [[Mozart]] related to all three items of [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, [[Martti Wallén]], a bass, and [[Liana Isakadze]], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). - In Bach's chorale cantata, [[Was willst du dich betrüben, BWV 107|BWV 107]] will be next, perhaps good for a lilypond of the tune or the final chorale? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
:::If you point me at the specific part that should be transcribed, I can give it a shot. (I pulled it up on IMSLP but don't know where to look.) [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: I wanted to link to Dahn, but when I last posted the website was under maintenance. [http://www.bach-chorales.com/BWV0107_7.htm here] - melody looks slightly embellished, for the triple metre's sake. - [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#11 Jul|Today's story]] is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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\header { tagline = " " }
\markup { \italic "Instrumental interludes absent" }
\layout { indent = 0 \context { \Score \remove "Bar_number_engraver" } }
global = { \key b \minor \numericTimeSignature \time 6/8 \set Score.tempoHideNote = ##t \set Timing.beamExceptions = #'()}

soprano = \relative c' { \global
\repeat volta 2 {
r4 r8 fis4. |
b cis |
d e |
cis b8 a b |
a4. ais |
b b |
cis ~ cis8. b16 ais8 |
fis4. ~ fis4 } r8 |
r4 r8 fis'4. |
fis e |
d cis |
d ~ d4 r8 |
r4 r8 cis4. |
d e |
fis fis |
fis4 e8 d cis d |
cis4. cis |
d ~ d4 c8 |
b4. b |
cis!4. b8 a b |
a4. g |
fis b |
b ais |
b2. ~ |
b4. r4. \bar "|."
}

alto = \relative c' { \global
r4 r8 d4. |
fis fis |
fis b |
a gis8 fis gis |
fis4. fis |
fis4 e8 b'4. |
b4 a8 gis4 fis8 |
fis4. ~ fis4 r8 |
r4 r8 a4. |
a g |
g4 b8 a4. |
a ~ a4 r8 |
r4 r8 a4. |
a4 fis8 g4 a8 |
a4. b |
b2. |
a4. a |
a ~ a4 fis8 |
g4. g |
gis ~ gis4 eis8 |
fis4. e! |
e d4 g8 |
fis4 e8 d4 e8 |
dis2. |
r4. r4.
}

tenor = \relative c' { \global
r4 r8 b4. |
b ais |
b b |
e4 fis8 eis4. |
cis cis |
b d |
cis4 fis8 eis4 cis8 |
cis4. ~ cis4 r8 |
r4 r8 d4. |
b4. ~ b4 cis8 |
d4 g8 fis4 e8 |
fis4. ~ fis4 r8 |
r4 r8 e4. |
fis e |
d d |
d4 b8 e4. |
e e |
d ~ d4 d8 |
d4. d |
cis2. |
cis4. cis |
cis fis,4 b8 |
b4 g8 fis4. |
fis2. |
r4. r4.
}

bass = \relative c' { \global
r4 r8 b4. |
d, fis |
b, gis' |
a cis |
fis, fis |
g gis |
a4 fis8 cis'4 cis,8 |
fis4. ~ fis4 r8 |
r4 r8 d4. |
g ~ g4 a8 |
b4 g8 a4 a,8 |
d4. ~ d4 r8 |
r4 r8 a'4. |
fis cis |
d b |
gis' ~ gis4 e8 |
a4. a4 g!8 |
fis4. ~ fis4 d8 |
g4. g4 fis8 |
eis4. ~ eis4 cis8 |
fis4. cis |
ais d4 b8 |
g'4 e8 fis4. |
b,2. |
r4. r4.
}

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\new ChoirStaff <<
\new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" \consists Merge_rests_engraver }
<<
\new Voice = "soprano" { \voiceOne \soprano }
\new Voice = "alto" { \voiceTwo \alto }
>>
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "soprano" {
<<
{ Herr, gib, dass ich dein Eh -- _ _ _ re
ja all mein Le -- _ ben lang }
\new Lyrics { \set associatedVoice = "soprano" {
von Her -- zen -- grund ver -- meh -- _ _ _ re,
dir sa -- ge Lob _ und Dank! }
}
>>
O Va -- ter, Sohn und Geist,
der du aus lau -- ter
Gna -- _ _ _ _ den ab -- wen -- dest
Not und Scha -- _ _ _ den,
sei im -- mer -- dar ge -- preist.
}
\new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" \consists Merge_rests_engraver }
<<
\clef bass
\new Voice = "tenor" { \voiceOne \tenor }
\new Voice = "bass" { \voiceTwo \bass }
>>
>>
\layout { }
\midi { \tempo 4.=80 }
}
</score>

Thank you, just what I needed ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#13 Jul|I remember today]] it today, in Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD]], [[Marina Kondratyeva]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jul|story today]] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about [[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]], opera by [[Mozart]], while [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#15 Jul|yesterday's]] was - because of the TFA - about [[Les contes d'Hoffmann]], opera by [[Jacques Offenbach|Offenbach]], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Deleted my page ==

Draft OLYA K wa real , you have deleted it. Can you please fix that? [[User:Olyasongs|Olyasongs]] ([[User talk:Olyasongs|talk]]) 16:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:The text on the page page was a copy of http://www.olyafans.com/ which is not allowed for copyright reasons. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 21:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== Question from [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] (23:19, 6 July 2024) ==

How can I protect a page? Someone keeps vandalizing a page and I keep reverting their edits but they won't stop. --[[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Trulyy}} You can request page protection at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] Thank you, and at what point can I myself protect a page? Is it only for administrators? [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, only administrators have the ability to protect pages (and delete pages and block accounts). [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== There's a possible vandalism in the Great American Novel Page ==

Someone deleted Gone With the Wind from there. [[User:Dsdias04|Dsdias04]] ([[User talk:Dsdias04|talk]]) 14:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Probably not vandalism, just someone who removed it based on their own opinion (not ideal either). That said, you probably want to look for stronger sourcing than a single opinion piece in the ''[[Washington Examiner]]'' for inclusion. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 18:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== thank you for format help! ==

Thank you so much for help with the format for the proverbs quoted in Ndau and English in the Ndau dialect article. I had done the same for a Mongo language article this weekend, so I just went and changed those proverbs to follow the same style. I plan to add proverbs in this way for all the African language articles for which there are good bilingual proverb collections in the public domain or in books/articles available at Internet Archive, so your edits will help me with all those proverbs yet to come too. Much appreciated! [[User:Laurakgibbs|Laurakgibbs]] ([[User talk:Laurakgibbs|talk]]) 23:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Laurakgibbs}} No problem, good luck with the edits! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Resilient Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For taking part in the dirtiest work I have ever given the community. [[User:Scorpions1325|Scorpions1325]] ([[User talk:Scorpions1325|talk]]) 15:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
|}

: {{re|Scorpions1325}} Thanks! The revision deletion is the easy part, you're doing the hard work! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Stop spamming J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio everywhere, please...REPLY ==
I wasn't spamming and if it seemed that way it wasn't meant to appear that way and it wasn't J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio I was using I was only trying to raise awareness of Peter Von Brown since he apparently is a renown scholar on the subject of James Matthew Barrie receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker and was privy to the actual unused notes left by J.M. Barrie himself, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Therefore he might be someone to at the vey least acknowledge in passing or he might not but what if there's some truth in his bio? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 21:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Even portions of your message here contain text copied from <s>Barrie's</s> Brown's bio, because I know you didn't write the phrase {{tq|jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan}} yourself. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::I did mean to write {{em|Brown's}} bio instead of Barrie's bio, though. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this wasn't spamming just requesting a note to raise awareness of the author if you take this as some sort of a personal attack against Wikipedia perhaps such a thing might be taken out of context. One shouldn't assume the worst — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 22:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

User talk:DanCherek

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CSOOCS: /* Stop spamming J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio everywhere, please...REPLY */

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== July music ==
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| image = Schloss Tiefurt, day lilies in park.jpg
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| bold = [[User:Gerda Arendt/Top|story]] · [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] · [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#7 Jul|places]]
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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:Congrats on the GA!! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 02:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you! On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD death article]] that needs reviewing, [[Martti Wallén]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Pictured on the Main page: Brian's [[Mozart family grand tour]], my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#9 Jul|story today]], and [[Mozart]] related to all three items of [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, [[Martti Wallén]], a bass, and [[Liana Isakadze]], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). - In Bach's chorale cantata, [[Was willst du dich betrüben, BWV 107|BWV 107]] will be next, perhaps good for a lilypond of the tune or the final chorale? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
:::If you point me at the specific part that should be transcribed, I can give it a shot. (I pulled it up on IMSLP but don't know where to look.) [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: I wanted to link to Dahn, but when I last posted the website was under maintenance. [http://www.bach-chorales.com/BWV0107_7.htm here] - melody looks slightly embellished, for the triple metre's sake. - [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#11 Jul|Today's story]] is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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\repeat volta 2 {
r4 r8 fis4. |
b cis |
d e |
cis b8 a b |
a4. ais |
b b |
cis ~ cis8. b16 ais8 |
fis4. ~ fis4 } r8 |
r4 r8 fis'4. |
fis e |
d cis |
d ~ d4 r8 |
r4 r8 cis4. |
d e |
fis fis |
fis4 e8 d cis d |
cis4. cis |
d ~ d4 c8 |
b4. b |
cis!4. b8 a b |
a4. g |
fis b |
b ais |
b2. ~ |
b4. r4. \bar "|."
}

alto = \relative c' { \global
r4 r8 d4. |
fis fis |
fis b |
a gis8 fis gis |
fis4. fis |
fis4 e8 b'4. |
b4 a8 gis4 fis8 |
fis4. ~ fis4 r8 |
r4 r8 a4. |
a g |
g4 b8 a4. |
a ~ a4 r8 |
r4 r8 a4. |
a4 fis8 g4 a8 |
a4. b |
b2. |
a4. a |
a ~ a4 fis8 |
g4. g |
gis ~ gis4 eis8 |
fis4. e! |
e d4 g8 |
fis4 e8 d4 e8 |
dis2. |
r4. r4.
}

tenor = \relative c' { \global
r4 r8 b4. |
b ais |
b b |
e4 fis8 eis4. |
cis cis |
b d |
cis4 fis8 eis4 cis8 |
cis4. ~ cis4 r8 |
r4 r8 d4. |
b4. ~ b4 cis8 |
d4 g8 fis4 e8 |
fis4. ~ fis4 r8 |
r4 r8 e4. |
fis e |
d d |
d4 b8 e4. |
e e |
d ~ d4 d8 |
d4. d |
cis2. |
cis4. cis |
cis fis,4 b8 |
b4 g8 fis4. |
fis2. |
r4. r4.
}

bass = \relative c' { \global
r4 r8 b4. |
d, fis |
b, gis' |
a cis |
fis, fis |
g gis |
a4 fis8 cis'4 cis,8 |
fis4. ~ fis4 r8 |
r4 r8 d4. |
g ~ g4 a8 |
b4 g8 a4 a,8 |
d4. ~ d4 r8 |
r4 r8 a'4. |
fis cis |
d b |
gis' ~ gis4 e8 |
a4. a4 g!8 |
fis4. ~ fis4 d8 |
g4. g4 fis8 |
eis4. ~ eis4 cis8 |
fis4. cis |
ais d4 b8 |
g'4 e8 fis4. |
b,2. |
r4. r4.
}

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\new ChoirStaff <<
\new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" \consists Merge_rests_engraver }
<<
\new Voice = "soprano" { \voiceOne \soprano }
\new Voice = "alto" { \voiceTwo \alto }
>>
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "soprano" {
<<
{ Herr, gib, dass ich dein Eh -- _ _ _ re
ja all mein Le -- _ ben lang }
\new Lyrics { \set associatedVoice = "soprano" {
von Her -- zen -- grund ver -- meh -- _ _ _ re,
dir sa -- ge Lob _ und Dank! }
}
>>
O Va -- ter, Sohn und Geist,
der du aus lau -- ter
Gna -- _ _ _ _ den ab -- wen -- dest
Not und Scha -- _ _ _ den,
sei im -- mer -- dar ge -- preist.
}
\new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" \consists Merge_rests_engraver }
<<
\clef bass
\new Voice = "tenor" { \voiceOne \tenor }
\new Voice = "bass" { \voiceTwo \bass }
>>
>>
\layout { }
\midi { \tempo 4.=80 }
}
</score>

Thank you, just what I needed ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#13 Jul|I remember today]] it today, in Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD]], [[Marina Kondratyeva]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jul|story today]] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about [[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]], opera by [[Mozart]], while [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#15 Jul|yesterday's]] was - because of the TFA - about [[Les contes d'Hoffmann]], opera by [[Jacques Offenbach|Offenbach]], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Deleted my page ==

Draft OLYA K wa real , you have deleted it. Can you please fix that? [[User:Olyasongs|Olyasongs]] ([[User talk:Olyasongs|talk]]) 16:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:The text on the page page was a copy of http://www.olyafans.com/ which is not allowed for copyright reasons. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 21:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== Question from [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] (23:19, 6 July 2024) ==

How can I protect a page? Someone keeps vandalizing a page and I keep reverting their edits but they won't stop. --[[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Trulyy}} You can request page protection at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] Thank you, and at what point can I myself protect a page? Is it only for administrators? [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, only administrators have the ability to protect pages (and delete pages and block accounts). [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== There's a possible vandalism in the Great American Novel Page ==

Someone deleted Gone With the Wind from there. [[User:Dsdias04|Dsdias04]] ([[User talk:Dsdias04|talk]]) 14:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Probably not vandalism, just someone who removed it based on their own opinion (not ideal either). That said, you probably want to look for stronger sourcing than a single opinion piece in the ''[[Washington Examiner]]'' for inclusion. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 18:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== thank you for format help! ==

Thank you so much for help with the format for the proverbs quoted in Ndau and English in the Ndau dialect article. I had done the same for a Mongo language article this weekend, so I just went and changed those proverbs to follow the same style. I plan to add proverbs in this way for all the African language articles for which there are good bilingual proverb collections in the public domain or in books/articles available at Internet Archive, so your edits will help me with all those proverbs yet to come too. Much appreciated! [[User:Laurakgibbs|Laurakgibbs]] ([[User talk:Laurakgibbs|talk]]) 23:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Laurakgibbs}} No problem, good luck with the edits! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For taking part in the dirtiest work I have ever given the community. [[User:Scorpions1325|Scorpions1325]] ([[User talk:Scorpions1325|talk]]) 15:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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: {{re|Scorpions1325}} Thanks! The revision deletion is the easy part, you're doing the hard work! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Stop spamming J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio everywhere, please...REPLY ==
I wasn't spamming and if it seemed that way it wasn't meant to appear that way and it wasn't J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio I was using I was only trying to raise awareness of Peter Von Brown since he apparently is a renown scholar on the subject of James Matthew Barrie receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker and was privy to the actual unused notes left by J.M. Barrie himself, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Therefore he might be someone to at the vey least acknowledge in passing or he might not but what if there's some truth in his bio? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CSOOCS|CSOOCS]] ([[User talk:CSOOCS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CSOOCS|contribs]]) 21:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Even portions of your message here contain text copied from <s>Barrie's</s> Brown's bio, because I know you didn't write the phrase {{tq|jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan}} yourself. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::I did mean to write {{em|Brown's}} bio instead of Barrie's bio, though. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 22:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this wasn't spamming just requesting a note to raise awareness of the author if you take this as some sort of a personal attack against Wikipedia perhaps such a thing might be taken out of context. One shouldn't assume the worst

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== July music ==
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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:Congrats on the GA!! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 02:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you! On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD death article]] that needs reviewing, [[Martti Wallén]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:: Pictured on the Main page: Brian's [[Mozart family grand tour]], my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#9 Jul|story today]], and [[Mozart]] related to all three items of [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, [[Martti Wallén]], a bass, and [[Liana Isakadze]], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). - In Bach's chorale cantata, [[Was willst du dich betrüben, BWV 107|BWV 107]] will be next, perhaps good for a lilypond of the tune or the final chorale? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
:::If you point me at the specific part that should be transcribed, I can give it a shot. (I pulled it up on IMSLP but don't know where to look.) [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: I wanted to link to Dahn, but when I last posted the website was under maintenance. [http://www.bach-chorales.com/BWV0107_7.htm here] - melody looks slightly embellished, for the triple metre's sake. - [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#11 Jul|Today's story]] is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you, just what I needed ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#13 Jul|I remember today]] it today, in Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates|RD]], [[Marina Kondratyeva]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jul|story today]] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about [[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]], opera by [[Mozart]], while [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#15 Jul|yesterday's]] was - because of the TFA - about [[Les contes d'Hoffmann]], opera by [[Jacques Offenbach|Offenbach]], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Deleted my page ==

Draft OLYA K wa real , you have deleted it. Can you please fix that? [[User:Olyasongs|Olyasongs]] ([[User talk:Olyasongs|talk]]) 16:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:The text on the page page was a copy of http://www.olyafans.com/ which is not allowed for copyright reasons. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 21:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== Question from [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] (23:19, 6 July 2024) ==

How can I protect a page? Someone keeps vandalizing a page and I keep reverting their edits but they won't stop. --[[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Trulyy}} You can request page protection at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] Thank you, and at what point can I myself protect a page? Is it only for administrators? [[User:Trulyy|Trulyy]] ([[User talk:Trulyy|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, only administrators have the ability to protect pages (and delete pages and block accounts). [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

== There's a possible vandalism in the Great American Novel Page ==

Someone deleted Gone With the Wind from there. [[User:Dsdias04|Dsdias04]] ([[User talk:Dsdias04|talk]]) 14:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Probably not vandalism, just someone who removed it based on their own opinion (not ideal either). That said, you probably want to look for stronger sourcing than a single opinion piece in the ''[[Washington Examiner]]'' for inclusion. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 18:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== thank you for format help! ==

Thank you so much for help with the format for the proverbs quoted in Ndau and English in the Ndau dialect article. I had done the same for a Mongo language article this weekend, so I just went and changed those proverbs to follow the same style. I plan to add proverbs in this way for all the African language articles for which there are good bilingual proverb collections in the public domain or in books/articles available at Internet Archive, so your edits will help me with all those proverbs yet to come too. Much appreciated! [[User:Laurakgibbs|Laurakgibbs]] ([[User talk:Laurakgibbs|talk]]) 23:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Laurakgibbs}} No problem, good luck with the edits! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 23:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Resilient Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For taking part in the dirtiest work I have ever given the community. [[User:Scorpions1325|Scorpions1325]] ([[User talk:Scorpions1325|talk]]) 15:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
|}

: {{re|Scorpions1325}} Thanks! The revision deletion is the easy part, you're doing the hard work! [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Stop spamming J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio everywhere, please...REPLY ==
I wasn't spamming and if it seemed that way it wasn't meant to appear that way and it wasn't J. M. Barrie's Amazon bio I was using I was only trying to raise awareness of Peter Von Brown since he apparently is a renown scholar on the subject of James Matthew Barrie receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker and was privy to the actual unused notes left by J.M. Barrie himself, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Therefore he might be someone to at the vey least acknowledge in passing or he might not but what if there's some truth in his bio?

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==Fair use rationale for Image:PeterPan1.jpg==
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'''[[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]].

Please go to [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg|the image description page]] and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline |fair use rationale]]. Using one of the templates at [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline]] is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.

[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 14:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

==Fair use rationale for Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg==
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If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.

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Contrary to what [[User:Papa November]] asserts in his edit summaries, fair-use images ''are'' permitted in "list" articles. There are even [[Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines for how it should/n't be done]]. It says that "non-free images should be used judiciously to present the key visual aspects of the topic" and "images that are used only to visually identify elements in the article should be used as sparingly as possible." I believe the usage in this article was both judicious and sparing. It says that "It is inadvisable to provide a non-free image for each entry in such an article or section," and the article did not. The guidelines say to restrict usage "as agreed to by editor consensus", and there is no basis in these guidelines for the unilateral removal of ''all'' fair use images from the article. - [[User:JasonAQuest|JasonAQuest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture as his first novel is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. For your suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Fair use images ==

Contrary to what [[User:Papa November]] asserts in his edit summaries, fair-use images ''are'' permitted in "list" articles. There are even [[Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines for how it should/n't be done]]. It says that "non-free images should be used judiciously to present the key visual aspects of the topic" and "images that are used only to visually identify elements in the article should be used as sparingly as possible." I believe the usage in this article was both judicious and sparing. It says that "It is inadvisable to provide a non-free image for each entry in such an article or section," and the article did not. The guidelines say to restrict usage "as agreed to by editor consensus", and there is no basis in these guidelines for the unilateral removal of ''all'' fair use images from the article. - [[User:JasonAQuest|JasonAQuest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan a nod to Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture as his first novel is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. For you suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

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== Self-published works ==

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan on Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture as his first novel is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. For you suitable sources I suggest looking into webpages regarding Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris [[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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== Self-published works ==

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore deserves to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC) 

:Wikipedia frowns on self-published sources, see the policy at [[WP:SPS]]. '''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld (2008)''''' is self-published at Lulu and '''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between (2013)''''' is self-published at CreateSpace. I looked for suitable sources on Peter Von Brown (see [[WP:RS]]) and only found a single one at https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203139172/peter-pan-shadows-literary-imagination-kirsten-stirling. By way of contrast, [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] (Oxford University Press, 2006) is a sequel authorised by Great Ormond Street Hospital so has an authenticity in that sense that the others do not. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 20:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Then at least allow in the article of List of works based on Peter Pan on Peter Von Brown since he is recognized as J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture as his first novel is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. For you suitable sources I suggest looking into Honors at Knox College, I'm sure his distinction is on the website somewhere otherwise where would the likes of amazon get it from? Since clearly both of you are established Users Darrelljon and Stelmaris[[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 23:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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[[Peter Pan]], [[characters of Peter Pan|his fellow characters]], and the setting of [[Neverland]] have appeared in many works since the original books and [[Peter and Wendy|1904 play]] by [[J. M. Barrie]]. The earliest were the stage productions of the play, and an adaptation to [[silent film]], done with Barrie's involvement and personal approval. Later works were authorised by [[Great Ormond Street Hospital]], to which Barrie gave the rights to the Peter Pan works; these include adaptations of the main story in both [[animation|animated]] and [[live-action film]]s, [[musicals|musical stage productions]], and a [[sequel]] [[novel]]. In addition, there have been numerous uses of Barrie's characters, settings, and storylines which challenged or took advantage of the changing [[copyright]] status of these elements, including reinterpretations, sequels, [[prequel]]s, and [[Spin-off (media)|spin-off]]s in a variety of media, including film, television series, and books.

Adaptations of ''Peter Pan'' for public performance have a unique status in UK copyright law: [[Great Ormond Street Hospital]] has the right to receive [[royalties]] in perpetuity under specific provisions in the [[Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988#Peter Pan|Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988]].

When dramatised, the character of Peter has usually been played by an adult woman. For boys' roles to be played by women is a convention of the [[pantomime]] tradition that was popular when the play was first produced, and was necessitated by laws restricting the use of child actors for evening performances. Later adaptations have often followed this example, for reasons that include tradition, the performance demands of the role, and the marketing advantages of "star" actresses. The roles of [[Captain Hook]] and [[George Darling (Peter Pan)|George Darling]] happened to be played by the same actor in the original production, a tradition which has sometimes been continued in later dramatic adaptations.

==Books and other publications==
===Original works===
* 1904 – ''Peter Pan, or The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up'' (play): Peter brings Wendy and her brothers to Neverland, where he has a showdown with his nemesis, Captain Hook. After the play was first staged in 1904, Barrie continued to make changes until the script was published officially in 1928.<ref>Birkin, Andrew.''J.M. Barrie and the Lost Boys''Yale (2003)</ref> This play was later adapted as a novel by Barrie
* 1906 – ''[[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]]'': an origin story where the infant Peter flies away from his home, takes up residence in Kensington Gardens and makes friends with the fairies. The story first appeared as a chapter in Barrie's ''[[The Little White Bird]]'' published in 1902
* 1908 – ''When Wendy Grew Up – An Afterthought'', a short sequel play first staged in 1908, but only published in book form in 1957
* 1911 – ''Peter and Wendy'' (novel), later published as ''Peter Pan and Wendy'', adapted as a novel from the play, it also incorporates events from ''When Wendy Grew Up – An Afterthought''
* 1928 - ''Peter Pan, or The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up'', the first publication of the script of the play

===Literary fiction, picture books and other publications===
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*'''''The Peter Pan Picture Book''''' (sometimes entitled ''The Story of Peter Pan''), retold by Daniel O'Connor, illustrated by [[Alice B. Woodward]] (1907),<ref>O'Connor, Daniel, illustrated by Alice B Woodward. ''The Peter Pan Picture Book''. G. Bell & Sons (1907)</ref> based on the original stage production of 1904. The text was also published as ''Peter Pan Keepsake'' but illustrated with photographs from the first productions.<ref>O'Connor, Daniel. ''Peter Pan Keepsake''. Chatto & Windus (1907)</ref> It is the first novelisation of the play and also the first illustrated version of the story. This version differs from Barrie's own 1911 novelisation because he had made several changes to his play and story since it was first staged in 1904
*'''''Peter Pan and Wendy''''', retold by [[May Byron]] (1915), authorized novelisation of the novel, later illustrated by [[Mabel Lucie Attwell]] in 1921. It was the first time that this form of the title was used, later reused also for Barrie's own novel
*'''''Peter Pan and the Only Children''''' by [[Gilbert Adair]] (1987), an unauthorised sequel/prequel novel. This book is written and presented in a format similar to ''Peter and Wendy'', with bound-in colour illustrations by Jenny Thorne. It has Peter living with a different gang of Lost Boys under the ocean, recruiting "only children" who jump from passing ships as new members, including the newest: 10-year-old Marissa Porter. They have adventures under the sea, including a duel with Captain Hook which ends indecisively. The narrator suggests at the end that perhaps this is a ''prequel'' to the adventure with Wendy Darling, or they take place without sequence. Adair's previous novel was ''[[Alice through the Needle's Eye]]'', a sequel to the [[Alice in Wonderland]] stories
*'''''Neverland''''' by Toby Forward (1989), first of the cancelled ''Neverland'' series where Peter Pan, Captain Hook etc. are brought back to life through a computer game. Published by Simon & Schuster when Peter Pan first entered the public domain in the UK, before the copyright was revived in 1995
*'''''Hook''''' by [[Terry Brooks]] (1991), a novelization of [[Hook (film)|the Spielberg film]]
*'''''After the Rain: A New Adventure for Peter Pan''''' by J. E. Somma (1999), an unauthorised sequel novel. Set in modern times, telling of Peter's reaction to a world that has grown to neglect him, and his rescue by three children who teach him that it's OK to grow up. It was published without incident in Canada, where the copyright to Peter Pan was generally agreed to have expired, but Somma and GOSH were in legal dispute when it was published in the U.S. in 2002, where GOSH claimed their copyrights were still valid. They eventually settled out of court<ref>https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/attachments/SommaPressRelease.pdf {{Bare URL PDF|date=March 2022}}</ref>
*'''''Jardines de Kensington''''' (translated into English as "Kensington Gardens") by [[Rodrigo Fresán]] (2003), interweaves the story of Peter Pan, his creator JM Barrie, and various aspects of 1960s London pop culture. The narrator is called "Peter Hook"<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/jul/23/featuresreviews.guardianreview16|title=Review: Kensington Gardens by Rodrigo Fresán|website=[[TheGuardian.com]]|date=22 July 2005}}</ref>
*'''''The Lost Girls: A Novel''''' by Laurie Fox (2004), an unauthorised sequel novel. Follows the interaction of Peter Pan with each generation of [[Wendy Darling]]'s female descendants, up to a distinctly 21st-century great-great-granddaughter. Published by [[Simon & Schuster]].
*The "Starcatchers" books by [[Dave Barry]] and [[Ridley Pearson]], an unauthorised series [[Reboot (fiction)|reboot]],<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.broadway.com/buzz/161678/playwright-rick-elice-on-transforming-a-lost-boy-and-girl-into-peter-and-the-starcatcher/|title=Playwright Rick Elice on Transforming a Lost Boy and Girl Into Peter and the Starcatcher |last=Elice |first=Rick |date=8 May 2012 |website=Broadway.com |access-date=17 December 2019 |quote=...connected the dots between the now-mythic characters and plot points of the original with Dave and Ridley’s '''reboot'''. (Emp. Added)}}</ref> published by [[Hachette Books#Hyperion Books|Hyperion Books]] (a subsidiary of Disney) in the US and by Walker Books in the UK<ref>[http://www.bewilderingstories.com/issue194/books.html Book Review: Barry and Pearson: "Peter and the Starcatchers"]</ref><ref>[http://www.davebarry.com/books-by-type.php?type=Young%20Adult David Barry's site]</ref><ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/series/44533-peter-and-the-starcatchers Goodreads-Peter and the Starcatchers]</ref>
**'''''[[Peter and the Starcatchers]]''''' (2004).<ref>{{Cite book|isbn = 0-7868-5445-6|title = Peter and the Starcatchers|last1 = Barry|first1 = Dave|last2 = Pearson|first2 = Ridley|date = September 2004| publisher=Disney Editions }}</ref> Set on a ship called ''Never Land'' featuring Peter and an earlier group of [[Peter Pan's Lost Boys|Lost Boys]]. In 2005, the publisher announced plans by Disney to adapt the book as a digitally animated movie. "Peter and the Starcatchers" was adapted to a play similarly titled "Peter and the Starcatcher" winning several Tony awards<ref>{{cite web|title=Synopsis|url=http://peterandthestarcatcher.com/about/synopsis/|work=Official Site for PETER AND THE STARCATCHER|access-date=12 September 2012|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120913005640/http://peterandthestarcatcher.com/about/synopsis|archive-date=13 September 2012|url-status=dead|df=dmy-all}}</ref>
**'''''[[Peter and the Shadow Thieves]]''''' (2006)<ref>{{Cite book|isbn = 0-7868-3787-X|title = Peter and the Shadow Thieves|last1 = Barry|first1 = Dave|last2 = Pearson|first2 = Ridley|date = 27 June 2006| publisher=Disney Editions }}</ref>
**'''''[[Peter and the Secret of Rundoon]]''''' (2007)<ref>{{Cite book|isbn = 978-0-7868-3788-5|title = Peter and the Secret of Rundoon|last1 = Barry|first1 = Dave|last2 = Pearson|first2 = Ridley|date = 23 October 2007| publisher=Disney Editions }}</ref>
**'''''[[Peter and the Sword of Mercy]]''''' (2009)
**Twenty-three years since Peter and the Lost Boys returned from Rundoon.<ref>{{ISBN|1423309758}}</ref>
**'''''[[The Bridge to Never Land]]''''' (2011). Sarah and Aidan are drawn from the modern world as they follow clues left by an ancient coded document<ref>{{Cite book|isbn = 978-1423138655|title = The Bridge to Never Land|last1 = Barry|first1 = Dave|last2 = Pearson|first2 = Ridley|date = 9 August 2011| publisher=Hyperion Book CH }}</ref>
*The "[[Never Land Books]]" by Dave Barry, Ridley Pearson, Greg Call (ill.), a series of unauthorised spin-off [[chapter book]]s. Based on the continuity established by the "Starcatchers" novels, for a younger audience
**'''''Escape from the Carnivale''''' (2006)<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.newenglandbooks.org/necba_fall2006-1.html |title=NECBA Fall 2006 Reviews |access-date=9 January 2008 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20080119210042/http://www.newenglandbooks.org/necba_fall2006-1.html |archive-date=19 January 2008 |url-status=dead |df=dmy-all }}</ref><ref>[http://www.kidsreads.com/reviews/0786837896.asp Kidsreads.com], Escape from the Carnivale: A Never Land Book by Dave Barry and Ridley Pearson</ref>
**'''''Cave of the Dark Wind''''' (2007)<ref>[http://www.kidsreads.com/reviews/078683790X.asp Kidsreads.com], Cave of the dark wind : A Never Land Book by Dave Barry and Ridley Pearson</ref>
**'''''Blood Tide''''' (2008)<ref>[https://www.amazon.com/dp/0786837918 Amazon listing for ''Blood Tide'']</ref>
*'''''Capt. Hook: The Adventures of a Notorious Youth''''' by [[James V. Hart]] (co-writer of the movie ''[[Hook (movie)|Hook]]''), [[Brett Helquist]] (ill.) (2005), an authorised (non-canon) prequel illustrated novel, published by HarperCollins in the US. Details the history of 15-year-old James Matthew, young [[Eton College#Oppidans|Oppidan Scholar]] and future Captain Hook. The book portrays the villainous youth in a sympathetic light
*The [[Disney Fairies]] books by [[Gail Carson Levine]], [[David Christiana]] (ill.), a series of spin-off illustrated novels for children. Part of the [[Disney Fairies]] franchise, published by [[Disney Press]] in the US and HarperCollins in the UK. Introduces a new cast of "Never Fairies", in addition to [[Tinker Bell]]. Peter Pan and Captain Hook are mentioned but play very minor roles. Additional [[chapter book]]s in the series are intended for younger readers, and were written by various authors, focusing on the different characters invented by Levine<ref>{{cite news| url=https://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2005-08-25-disney-usat_x.htm | work=USA Today | title=Disney hopes fairies will fly | first1=Laura | last1=Petrecca | date=26 August 2005 |access-date=11 May 2010}}</ref>
**'''''Fairy Dust and the Quest for the Egg''''' (2005)
**'''''Fairy Haven and the Quest for the Wand''''' (2007)
*'''''[[Peter Pan in Scarlet]]''''' by [[Geraldine McCaughrean]] (2006), the official sequel novel, commissioned by Great Ormond Street Hospital following a competition launched in 2004. It has been sold in 40 different editions in 37 languages. The book is published by Oxford University Press in the UK and Margaret K McElderry (Simon & Schuster) in the US<ref name="ppis">{{cite book | title=Peter Pan In Scarlet | publisher=Margaret K. McElderry | last=McCraughrean | first=Geraldine | isbn=1-4169-1808-6 | year=2006 | url=https://archive.org/details/peterpaninscarle00mcca }}</ref>
*'''''Tigerheart''''' by [[Peter David]] (2008), transplanting facsimiles of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. A novel retelling the Peter Pan stories from another character's perspective, referring to him as "the boy" throughout the novel, and referencing both ''[[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]]'' and ''[[Peter and Wendy]]'', with changes to many of the original characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Tigerheart|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2678758-Tigerheart}}</ref>
*'''''[[The Child Thief]]''''' by artist [[Gerald Brom]] (2009), an [[New adult fiction|new adult]] illustrated novel reinterpreting Peter Pan based on the darker themes in the story as a ruthless figure recruiting children to serve toward his own ends
*'''''Another Pan''''' by Daniel Nayeri and Dina Nayeri (2010), a darker version featuring an 18-year-old Peter Pan searching for the magic bone dust so he will never grow old. Characters also include Wendy, John and their father George Darling<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6762468-another-pan Goodreads]{{ISBN|0763637122}}</ref>
*'''''Always Neverland''''' by Zoe Barton (2011). Ashley is to be another in a long series of "Wendy girls" Peter brings to Neverland, but she is more interested in adventuring<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10433925-always-neverland Goodreads] {{ISBN|0061963259}}</ref>
*'''''Dylan and the Dream Pirates''''' by Jason Andrew (2012). First of a postponed ''Dreamland'' serial set in contemporary times in which a bereaved Dylan must find a cure to a magical plague like curse called ''The Taint''.<ref>{{cite book |title=Dylan and the Dream Pirates |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21710819-dylan-and-the-dream-pirates |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Tiger Lily''''' by [[Jodi Lynn Anderson]] (2013). The story of fifteen-year-old Tiger Lily who becomes enthralled and entangled in the life of Peter Pan, told from the perspective of Tinker Bell<ref>[https://www.theguardian.com/childrens-books-site/2013/sep/24/review-tiger-lily-jodi-lynn-anderson The Guardian Tiger Lily Review]. The Guardian. Retrieved April, 12th, 2021.</ref>
*'''''Alias Hook''''' by Lisa Jensen (2014). Captain Hook is caught in an endless loop of warring with Peter Pan until a woman named Stella Parrish dreams her way into Neverland and begins to change things
*'''''Hook's Revenge Series''''' by Heidi Schulz, a humorous adventure series about the 12-year-old daughter of Captain Hook on a quest to avenge her father's death<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/series/128954-hook-s-revenge Goodreads: Hook's Revenge Series]</ref>
**'''''Hook's Revenge''''' (2014)<ref>{{cite book |last=Schulz |first=Heidi |date=2014 |title=Hook's Revenge |publisher=Disney-Hyperion |isbn=978-1423198673}}</ref>
**'''''The Pirate Code''''' (2015)<ref>{{cite book |last=Schulz |first=Heidi |date=2015 |title=The Pirate Code |publisher=Disney-Hyperion |isbn=978-1484717172}}</ref>
*'''''Lost: a Never novella''''' by C. S. R. Calloway (2014) an unoffical [[Midquel|interquel]] set between [[Peter and Wendy]] and [[Hook (film)|Hook]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost: a Never novella |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25170222-lost |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Essence of Neverland''''' by Juna Jinsei Dr (2015). First of ''Legends of the Pan'' trilogy where following Peter Pan being slain, prompts a race to find a replacement for him fast to save [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Essence-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26761739-Essence-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Lost Boi''''' by [[Sassafras Lowrey]] (2015). A novel for adults retelling the story through the lens of homeless queer youth with prominent [[BDSM]] themes. Told from the point of view of Tootles, "Pan's best boi"<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/23129755 Goodreads]{{ISBN|9781551525815}}</ref>
*'''''Never Never''''' by Brianna R. Shrum (2015), an [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook and his rivalry with Peter, back when they were both [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boys]] in [[Neverland]].<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25953488-never-never Goodreads] {{ISBN|1633920399}}</ref>
*'''''All Darling Children''''' by Katrina Monroe (2016). A [[Young adult literature|young adult]] re-telling told from the perspective of Madge Darling; [[Wendy Darling]]'s teenage granddaughter.<ref>{{cite book |title=All Darling Children |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30462067-all-darling-children |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Everland''''' by Wendy Spinale (2016) first of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Everland'' [[tetralogy]] transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the Blitz, where Gwen's sister Joanna is kidnapped by Hook and his Marauders<ref>{{Cite web |title=Everland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26085520-everland}}</ref>
*'''''The Neverland Wars''''' by Audrey Greathouse (2016). First of ''The Neverland Wars'' [[trilogy]] where an outside worldly organization goes to war with [[Neverland]]. Sixteen-year-old Gwen is caught up in a looming war in Neverland.<ref>[http://www.onemorepage.co.uk/?p=19643 The Neverland Wars Book Review]. One More Page UK. Retrieved April 15th, 2021.</ref>
*'''''Unhooked''''' by Lisa Maxwell (2016), Gwendolyn's mother's fears are proven right when shadowy creatures kidnap her and her best friend Olivia to a terrifying place to Neverland, where Peter Pan and Hook compete for her trust.<ref>{{cite book |title=Unhooked |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21518344-unhooked |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never Ever Series''''' by Sara Saedi loosely based on Peter Pan. Wylie meets Phinn in a club and he whisks her and her brother off to a magical island where no one ages past seventeen<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/series/185402-never-ever Goodreads: Never Ever Series]</ref>
**'''''Never Ever''''' (2016)
**'''''The Lost Kids''''' (2018)
*'''''[[Lost Boy (Henry novel)|Lost Boy]]''''' (2017) by [[Christina Henry]]. In Neverland, Jamie, one of Peter Pan's Lost Boys, grows disenchanted with his leader.
*'''''Peter Darling''''' by Austin Chant (2017), a romance between an adult Peter Pan (who is a [[transgender]] man born as "Wendy") and Captain Hook.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.goodreads.com/work/best_book/54098368-peter-darling|title=Peter Darling|website=www.goodreads.com|access-date=2019-10-05}}</ref> Winner of the 2017 Rainbow Award for best cover and best transgender science fiction/fantasy<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.elisarolle.com/rainbowawards/rainbow_awards_2017.html|title=2016 Rainbow Awards|website=www.elisarolle.com|access-date=2019-10-05}}</ref>
*'''''You Can Fly: A Sequel to the Peter Pan Tales''''' by Chuck Rosenthal (2017). On the eve of his thirteenth birthday, Thomas Pandora discovers the truth about his family legacy. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35220323-you-can-fly?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_55]
*'''''Forever Neverland''''' by Susan Adrian (2019). A contemporary sequel to J. M. Barrie’s timeless classic featuring the great-great-grandchildren of [[Wendy Darling]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42423564-forever-neverland?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=cTBVyEY97D&rank=2]
*'''''Dead Lies Dreaming''''' by [[Charles Stross]] (2020). A [[pastiche]] of ''Peter and Wendy'', taking place in Stross' [[Laundry Files]] setting. It is first in the ''Tales of the New Management'' trilogy<ref>[https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2020/09/all-glory-to-the-new-managemen.html All Glory to the New Management!]. Charlie's Diary. Retrieved December 3rd, 2023</ref>
* '''''Neverland: A Fantasy Role-playing Setting''''', written and illustrated by Andrew Kolb (2020).
*'''''Straight on Till Morning''''' by [[Liz Braswell]] (2020). Four years after her original adventure, 16-year-old old Wendy joins with [[Tinker Bell]] in rescuing Peter from Hook. Part of the Twisted Tale Series from the Disney Book Group<ref>Schmidt, Jennifer. [https://insidethemagic.net/2020/02/straight-on-till-morning/ Straight on Till Morning Review]. Inside the Magic. Retrieved April 15th, 2021</ref>
*'''''The Neverland Girl''''' by Dash Hoffman and illustrated by El Geron (2021). [[Reality]] and [[Fantasy]] collides when a sickly girl with a life long illness seems to find herself in Neverland. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58317438-the-neverland-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_3_29]
*'''''Son of Neverland''''' by [[Cal Barnes]] (2021). An epic fantasy sequel taking exactly one hundred years after Peter Pan and Hook's final battle.<ref>[https://www.sonofneverland.com/about About Son of Neverland]. Son of Neverland Official. Retrieved October 27th, 2021</ref>.
*'''''Wendy Darling''''' (Titan Books, 2021) [[A. C. Wise]].<ref name="gizmodo">{{cite news |last1=Eddy |first1=Cheryl |title=Peter Pan's Villain Explores Life After Neverland in New Fantasy Novel Hooked |url=https://gizmodo.com/peter-pans-villain-explores-life-after-neverland-in-new-1847931256 |work=Gizmodo |date=27 October 2021}}</ref>
*'''''Hooked''''' (Titan books, 2022) [[A. C. Wise]].<ref name="gizmodo" />
*'''''Saving Neverland''''' by Abi Elphinstone (2023). A contemporary sequel to J. M. Barrie’s timeless classic featuring the newest residents to [[Bloomsbury|12 Darlington Street Road]] the old address of [[Wendy Darling]] who encounter Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60758136-saving-neverland?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=5pNfNMV7tP&rank=1]
* '''''These Deathless Shores''''' by P. H. Low (2024). An [[upcoming]] gender bending [[Pourquoi story|origin]] tale to [[Captain Hook]] featuring Malaysian-coded main characters <ref>{{Cite web |title=These-Deathless-Shores |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/201911795-These-Deathless-Shores}}</ref>
* '''''Coira in Everland''''' by Kirk Clendinning (2024). What happened to Tinkerbell after Peter Pan forgot her? J. M. Barrie would have been pleasantly surprised to find that Peter’s gloomy prediction of Tinker Bell’s demise had been somewhat premature, for even fairies have a place where “a short time” and a “good while” are the same. There, in Everland, dreams drift in pools shimmering just below the surface, one need only walk from Summer to Fall for another season, and things rarely change; they ever. Below the High Forest, far from Mermaid’s Lagoon, across the Great Mountains in a shallow valley called the Basin (named for the one near Gray’s Gate in Kensington Gardens), lies Fairy Village. Whereas boys choose to live in Neverland as they “never have to do anything they don’t want to,” girls live with the fairies because they “don’t fight as well as the boys so pirates and redskins have quite an advantage.” It is here that Coira’s story begins when a young boy and a guileful lawyer enter the world of fairies. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Coira-in-Everland |url=https://a.co/d/0fLYsgRQ}}</ref>

===Self-published works===
*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]

===Comics===
*Disney produced [[picture book]] and [[comic book]] adaptations of the story, based on their 1953 animated version, published by [[Dell Comics]] and [[Gold Key]]
*'''''[[Peter Pank]]''''' by Spanish cartoonist "Max" ([[:es:Max|Francesc Capdevila]]) (1985–1990), an unauthorised comic reinterpretation for "adults only". Peter is a violent, spiked-hair anarchist living in Punkland with a gang of punk Lost Boys. The pirates are a gang of rockers, the Indians are hippies, and the female characters are often depicted bare-breasted, with numerous sexual scenes. It was published in three albums: ''Peter Pank'', ''El Licantropunk'', and ''Pankdinista''
*'''''Peter Pan''''' by French cartoonist [[Régis Loisel]] (1990–2004), an unauthorised prequel [[bandes dessinées]]. A bawdy, violent series of six albums (two of which won the [[Angoulême International Comics Festival Prize Awarded by the Audience|Angoulême Audience Award]]), giving Peter Pan's back story a distinctly [[Charles Dickens|Dickensian]] flavour<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.lambiek.net/artists/l/loisel.htm|title = Régis Loisel}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Return to Never-Never Land''''' by [[Ron Fortier]] and Gary Kato (1991), an unauthorised sequel. Peter brings two modern African-American boys to Never-Never Land, published by [[Malibu Comics]] under the Adventure Comics imprint, two issues later reprinted in a single volume<ref>[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011XC094 Amazon.com: Peter Pan: Return to Never-Never Land #1 July 1991: Ron Fortier, Gary Kato: Books]</ref><ref>[http://neverpedia.info/pan/Peter_Pan:_Return_to_Never-Never_Land Neverpedia: Peter Pan, Return to Never-Never Land]</ref>
*'''''The Lost''''' by [[Marc Andreyko]], Galen Showman, and Jay Geldhof (1997), an unauthorised sequel comic book. This urban horror-themed mini-series published by [[Caliber Comics]] and [[Chaos! Comics]] continues the story in present-day New York City, with Peter revealed as a [[vampire]] boy [[prostitution|hustler]] who leads a small group of vampire boys including [[Michael Darling (Peter Pan)|Michael]], and lures another girl named Wendy to join them
*'''''Lost Boys''''' (ロストボーイズ) by Kaname Itsuki (2004), an unauthorised [[manga]] reinterpretation, in which a character based on Peter Pan brings a young man to Neverland to be his father, with [[yaoi|romantic themes]]
* Japanese [[manga]] artist, [[Mayu Sakai]], appropriated the English version of the term, ''[[puer aeternus]]'', for her series, ''[[Peter Pan Syndrome (manga)|Peter Pan Syndrome]]''<ref>{{cite journal|date=20 September 2010|journal=En.anime-wiki.org|title=Peter Pan Syndrome|url=http://en.anime-wiki.org/wiki/Peter_Pan_Syndrome|access-date=26 September 2013|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20111230213702/http://en.anime-wiki.org/wiki/Peter_Pan_Syndrome|archive-date=30 December 2011|url-status=dead|df=dmy-all}}</ref>
*'''''[[Lost Girls (graphic novel)|Lost Girls]]''''' by [[Alan Moore]] and [[Melinda Gebbie]] (July 2006), an unauthorised reinterpretation [[graphic novel]]. A controversial use of Wendy Darling alongside [[Dorothy Gale]] from ''[[The Wonderful Wizard of Oz]]'' and [[Alice (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)|Alice]] from ''[[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]'' in 1913, telling each other stories about their sexual experiences. In it, Peter is a boy that Wendy and her brothers meet in Kensington Gardens, who gives them their first sexual experiences
*'''''Peter Panzerfaus'''t'' by [[Kurtis J. Wiebe]] (2012 - 2016), a retelling of the story of Peter Pan, set in France during World War II. Peter, an American boy looking for his past in France at the outbreak of the Second World War, recruiting several orphans (The Lost Boys), saving the Darling children and coming across SS-Hauptmann/Kapitan Haken
*'''''[[Marvel Fairy Tales]]''''' by [[C. B. Cebulski]] features various [[Marvel Comics]] characters as characters from fairy tales and fables. In issue #1 of the third miniseries of the line, Peter Pan is played by [[Captain America]], with [[Scarlet Witch]] as Wendy, [[Wasp (comics)|The Wasp]] as Tinker Bell, and [[Klaw (Marvel Comics)|Klaw]] as Captain Hook
*'''''Peter Pan – The Graphic Novel''''' by [[Stevie White|Stephen White]] (2015), a retelling of the original work in graphic novel form<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://downthetubes.net/in-review-jm-barries-peter-pan-adapted-by-stref/|title = In Review: JM Barrie's Peter Pan adapted by Stref|date = 22 August 2015}}</ref>
*'''''Pan Peter''''' by Jang Maro, a [[Tapas (syndicate)|Tapas]]-exclusive [[manhwa]] that retells the character as a mysterious, magic boy who avenges the weak by torturing and killing the aggressors<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://tapas.io/series/panpeter|title = Pan Peter | Tapas}}</ref>
*'''''[[Cheshire Crossing]]''''' written by Andy Weir, a comic which takes characters and locations from ''Peter Pan'' as well as from ''[[The Wonderful Wizard of Oz]]'' and ''[[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]''

===Non-fiction===
*''Fifty Years of Peter Pan'' by [[Roger Lancelyn Green]] is an account of the first 50 years in Peter Pan's stage history<ref>Lancelyn Green, Roger. ''Fifty Years of Peter Pan''. Peter Davies Publishing (1954)</ref>
*''J.M. Barrie and The Lost Boys'' by [[Andrew Birkin]] is an account of the meeting and relationship between Barrie and the [[Llewelyn Davies boys|Llewelyn Davies]] family, and how Peter Pan came to be created, based on his docudrama [[The Lost Boys (docudrama)|The Lost Boys]] broadcast in 1978<ref>Birkin, Andrew. ''J.M. Barrie and The Lost Boys''. Constable, 1979; Revised Edition: Yale University Press, 2003</ref>
*Dr. Dan Kiley popularised the [[Puer aeternus|Peter Pan syndrome]] in his 1983 book, ''The Peter Pan Syndrome: Men Who Have Never Grown Up'',<ref>Kiley, Dr. Dan (1983). ''The Peter Pan Syndrome: Men Who Have Never Grown Up''. Avon Books. {{ISBN|978-0-380-68890-6}}</ref> about individuals (usually male) with underdeveloped maturity; his next book, ''The Wendy Dilemma'' (1984), advises women romantically involved with "Peter Pans" how to improve their relationships<ref>Kiley, Dr. Dan (1984). ''The Wendy Dilemma: When Women Stop Mothering Their Men''. Arbor House Publishing. {{ISBN|9780877956259}}</ref>
*''Peter Pan on Stage and Screen, 1904–2010'' by Bruce Hanson covers the genesis of Peter Pan and its productions in the UK and US; updated edition of Hanson's work ''The Peter Pan Chronicles'', published in 1993<ref>Hanson, Bruce. ''Peter Pan on Stage and Screen, 1904–2010''. McFarland (2011)</ref>

==Radio==

*'''''Peter Pan''''', book, music, and lyrics by [[Philip Glassborow]] (1995), an authorised musical radio adaptation. Directed by [[Dirk Maggs]] for the [[BBC]], this production was nominated for a [[Writer's Guild of Great Britain]] award

==Stage==
[[File:Dare as Peter Pan.jpg|right|thumb|[[Zena Dare]] as Peter, 1907]]
[[File:Mary Martin Peter Pan.JPG|thumb|[[Mary Martin]] as Peter]]
*'''''[[Peter Pan, or The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up]]''''' (1904). Although Barrie did not intend the play as a [[pantomime]], it has many features in common with this traditional genre of British children's theatre: a boy – played by a woman – as the lead role (known as the "[[principal boy]]"), actors in animal costumes, a flamboyant villain, and fantasy themes
*'''''[[Peter Pan (1950 musical)|Peter Pan]]''''' (1950), music and lyrics by [[Leonard Bernstein]], an authorised [[Broadway theatre|Broadway]] adaptation. Intended as a musical, it was eventually staged as a "straight" dramatic version with only five songs. This version starred [[Jean Arthur]] as Peter Pan, and [[Boris Karloff]] in the dual roles of Mr. Darling and Captain Hook
*'''''[[Peter Pan (1954 musical)|Peter Pan]]''''' (1954), directed by [[Jerome Robbins]], an authorised musical stage adaptation with music by [[Mark Charlap|Mark "Moose" Charlap]] and lyrics by [[Carolyn Leigh]]. Taking the opposite path of the 1950 adaptation, it was originally to have only a few incidental songs, but evolved into a full [[Broadway musical]] with some new songs from composer [[Jule Styne]] and lyricists [[Betty Comden]] and [[Adolph Green]]. This version became widely known as a vehicle for [[Mary Martin]], who appeared in three television productions of this version and won a Best Musical Actress Tony Award for her performance as well as an Emmy when it was aired on television. [[Cyril Ritchard]] won a Tony as Captain Hook in the Broadway production opposite Martin and reprised the role in the first television production opposite her, and it is the role for which he has remained best known. Revivals featured television actress [[Sandy Duncan]] and [[gymnast]] [[Cathy Rigby]] as Peter. A 2014 TV version was broadcast by [[NBC]] as [[Peter Pan Live!]]<ref name=Hetrick>Hetrick, Adam. [https://www.playbill.com/news/article/the-verdict-read-reviews-of-peter-pan-live-on-nbc-336702 "The Verdict: Read Reviews of ''Peter Pan Live!'' on NBC"], ''Playbill'', 4 December 2014</ref>
*'''''Neverland''''' (1975), book, music, and lyrics by [[Jim Steinman]], a futuristic musical stage adaptation. Although it only existed as a brief workshop at the [[John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts|Kennedy Center]] in 1977, three of the songs would be reworked for the album ''[[Bat Out of Hell]]'', one of the best-selling recordings in history<ref>[http://www.jimsteinman.com/neverlnd.htm Jimsteinman.com]</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (1982), an adaptation by [[John Caird (director)|John Caird]] and [[Trevor Nunn]], first staged on 10 December 1982 at the Barbican Theatre, London
*'''''Peter Pan: The British Musical''''' (1985), book, music and lyrics by Piers Chater Robinson, an authorised musical stage adaptation<ref>[http://www.peterpanthemusical.com/ Peterpanthemusical.com]</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (1996), book, music, and lyrics by [[Philip Glassborow]], an authorised musical stage adaptation based on Glassborow's radio musical
*'''''[[Peter Pan: A Musical Adventure]]''''' (1996), lyrics by [[Anthony Drewe]] and music by [[George Stiles (composer)|George Stiles]], an authorised musical stage adaptation, first staged in [[Copenhagen]]. Performed and recorded at the [[Royal Albert Hall]], and broadcast on New Year's Eve 2001 by the [[BBC]]<ref>[http://www.stilesanddrewe.co.uk/peter_pan/ Peter Pan – Stiles and Drewe Musical] {{webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20080703212402/http://www.stilesanddrewe.co.uk/peter_pan/ |date=3 July 2008 }}</ref>
*'''''Peter and Wendy''''' (1997) adaptation and lyrics by Liza Lorwin and music by Scottish fiddler, Johnny Cunningham (of Silly Wizard fame). This is a stage production using Bunraku-style puppets performed by avant-garde theatre troupe, Mabou Mines, and actress Karen Kandel, who won an OBIE for her performance.<ref>[http://dctheatrescene.com/2007/05/06/peter-wendy/ DCtheatrescene.com]</ref> Mabou Mimes recently revived the original production at the Edinburgh Festival (2009)<ref>{{cite news| url=https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2009/sep/04/peter-and-wendy-review | location=London | work=The Guardian | first=Mark | last=Fisher | title=Peter and Wendy – Theatre review | date=4 September 2009}}</ref> and in New York at the New Victory Theater (2011)<ref>{{cite news| url=http://theater.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/theater/reviews/peter-and-wendy-at-new-victory-theater-review.html | work=The New York Times | first=Claudia | last=La Rocco | title='Peter and Wendy' at New Victory Theater – Review | date=10 May 2011}}</ref>
*'''''The Terrible Tragedy of Peter Pan''''' (2002) by Phillip C. Klapperich, an ensemble member of [[The House Theatre of Chicago]]. This production brings to the fore the darker subtexts of the story, such as the dysfunction of Peter's relationships with Wendy, Tinker Bell, and Tiger Lily, his fear of growing up, and his self-absorption, as he fails to notice those around him being hurt or killed<ref>[http://www.chicagotheater.com/revPePan.html Lucia Mauro's Chicago Theater review of The Terrible Tragedy of Peter Pan] {{webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110708143837/http://www.chicagotheater.com/revPePan.html |date=8 July 2011 }}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2004) by the [[Chickenshed Theatre Company]] was a musical stage version of ''Peter Pan'', and was performed to mark the 100th Anniversary of the play. This is also the only performance to date with sign language fully integrated
*[[Peter Pan (Three Sixty Entertainment)|'''''Peter Pan''''' (2009)]], originally titled "Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens" a large scale production for which a specially built theatre pavilion with 360 degree surround video was created; script by Tanya Ronder, music by Benjamin Wallfisch, first staged at [[Kensington Gardens]] in Summer 2009. The production opened in the US in May 2010 and has since toured in San Francisco, Orange County, Atlanta, Chicago and Boston
*'''''Peter Pan (A Play)''''' (2009), adapted by Amanda Dehnert, first staged at [[Northwestern University]], later mounted professionally at Chicago's [[Lookingglass Theatre Company]] in 2010
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2009), music by Dan Chambers and lyrics by Dan Chambers and Polly Gibson, book by Polly Gibson, an authorised musical stage adaptation, first staged by the Sinodun Players at the Corn Exchange, Wallingford in July 2009
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2010), stage adaptation by [[David Greig (dramatist)|David Greig]], first staged by the [[National Theatre of Scotland]] at the King's Theatre, Glasgow in April 2010.<ref>{{cite news| url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/theatre/theatre-reviews/7725611/Peter-Pan-at-the-Barbican-review.html | location=London | work=The Daily Telegraph | title=Peter Pan at the Barbican, review | first=Charles | last=Spencer | date=14 May 2010}}</ref> The action is transposed from Edwardian London to Victorian Edinburgh, and set against a background of construction of the Forth Rail Bridge
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2010), ballet with score by [[Philip Norman (composer)|Philip Norman]] and choreography by [[Russell Kerr (choreographer)|Russell Kerr]], first staged by the [[Royal New Zealand Ballet]] in 2010.
*'''''Peter Pan, the Boy who Hated Mothers''''' (2010), adapted by Andrew Birkin from J.M. Barrie's original various drafts of the play, novel and screenplay, first staged at the Theatre du Gymnase in Marseille in February 2010 (translated into French by Céline-Albin Faivre), broadcast on Arte TV Channel Christmas 2010<ref>[http://www.lamarseillaise.fr/th-tre-humour/jeu-d-enfant.html Lamarseillaise.fr] {{webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110721002954/http://www.lamarseillaise.fr/th-tre-humour/jeu-d-enfant.html |date=21 July 2011 }}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2012), stage adaptation directed by [[Sally Cookson]] and devised by the companies, originally produced by [[Bristol Old Vic]] for Christmas 2012 before being produced by the [[Royal National Theatre|National Theatre, London]] (in a co-production with Bristol Old Vic) for Christmas 2016 and the Troubadour White City Theatre for summer 2019
*'''''Disney's Peter Pan Jr''''' is a one-hour children's musical based on the Disney Peter Pan movie with some updated material. It became available for school and children's theatre productions in 2013 after several pilot productions<ref>[http://www.mtishows.com/disneys-peter-pan-jr Disney's Peter Pan JR.] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170626181854/http://www.mtishows.com/disneys-peter-pan-jr |date=26 June 2017 }}, Music Theatre International (MTI), accessed June 26, 2017</ref>
*'''''[[Wendy & Peter Pan|Wendy and Peter Pan]]''''' (2013), a new adaptation by Ella Hickson at the [[Royal Shakespeare Company]] in England, placing Wendy as the protagonist<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.rsc.org.uk/whats-on/wendy-and-peter-pan/ |title=Wendy and Peter Pan | RSC |access-date=10 May 2013 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130512103242/http://www.rsc.org.uk/whats-on/wendy-and-peter-pan/ |archive-date=12 May 2013 |url-status=dead |df=dmy-all }}</ref>
* '''''[[Peter Pan Goes Wrong]]''''' (2013), is a comedy by [[Henry Lewis (Mischief Theatre)|Henry Lewis]], [[Jonathan Sayer]] and [[Henry Shields]] of the [[Mischief Theatre|Mischief Theatre Company]] in which the characters and members of the fictitious Cornley Polytechnic Drama Society attempt to present their production of ''Peter Pan''
* '''''Fly''''' (2013), a darker take on Peter Pan with a focus on leaving childhood behind and the importance of growing up, by [[Jeffrey Seller]] debuted through the [[Dallas Theater Center]].<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.dallastheatercenter.org/show_details.php?sid=58|title=FLY {{!}} DALLAS THEATER CENTER|website=www.dallastheatercenter.org|access-date=2017-06-21}}</ref> The book is by [[Rajiv Joseph]], who worked on the lyrics with [[Kirsten Childs]], and the music is by Bill Sherman<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.theaterjones.com/ntx/reviews/20130714113055/2013-07-14/Dallas-Theater-Center/Fly|title=Review: Fly {{!}} Dallas Theater Center|last=Isaacs|first=Gregory Sullivan|date=2013-07-14|work=TheaterJones.com|access-date=2017-06-21|language=en-US}}</ref>
* '''''Peter Pan Opera''''' (2014), by composer [[Richard Ayres]] and librettist Lavinia Greenlaw, first staged in Stuttgart in 2014 and performed in the UK in 2015 by the [[Welsh National Opera]]<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/may/17/peter-pan-welsh-national-opera-cardiff-review|title = Peter Pan review – too many loose ends, too many shortcuts. This doesn't fly|website = [[TheGuardian.com]]|date = 17 May 2015}}</ref>
* '''''Peter Pan''''' (2015), an adaptation presented at [[Regent's Park Open Air Theatre]]. Co-directed by [[Timothy Sheader]] and Liam Steel, the production was set in World War I. The production earned an [[Olivier Award]] nomination and returned to the Open Air Theatre for its 2018 Season<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/what-to-see/peter-pan-review-open-air-theatre-regents-park-return-production/|title = Peter Pan review, Open Air Theatre, Regent's Park: Return of a production that really soars|newspaper = The Telegraph|date = 25 May 2018|last1 = Cavendish|first1 = Dominic}}</ref>
* '''''For Peter Pan On Her 70th Birthday''''' (2017), an adaptation by [[Sarah Ruhl]], in which the title character and her siblings, all elderly retirees, become the characters of the original play. Beginning 18 August 2017 in New York City, it ran at Playrights Horizons
* '''''Peter Pan and Wendy''''' (2019), a feminist version of the story with Wendy in an equal role. It was commissioned from [[Lauren Gunderson]] by the [[Shakespeare Theatre Company|Shakespeare Theatre Company of Washington, D.C.]] Critics described it as "all about girl power."<ref>{{cite news |last1=Marks |first1=Peter |title=This charming new version of J.M. Barrie's timeless play is all about girl power |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/theater_dance/this-charming-new-version-of-jm-barries-timeless-play-is-all-about-girl-power/2019/12/11/4c961da4-1b90-11ea-87f7-f2e91143c60d_story.html |access-date=30 December 2019}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: reimagined''''' (2019), an adaptation conceived and directed by Liam Steel, adapted by Georgia Christou and Liam Steel for the [[Birmingham Repertory Theatre]] which changes Edwardian London to present-day [[Birmingham]]
*'''''Peter Pan''''' (2023), an adaptation by [[Roddy Doyle]] set in early 20th century Dublin and directed by Ned Bennett for the [[Gate Theatre]], Dublin.<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.gatetheatre.ie/production/peter-pan/ | title=Peter Pan }}</ref> In a gender reversal of tradition, the actor who plays plays Mary Darling, [[Clare Dunne (Irish actress)|Clare Dunne]], also plays Captain Hook.

==Film==
===Live-action===
[[File:Peter Pan 1924 movie.jpg|thumb|Peter Pan 1924 movie poster]]
* '''[[Peter Pan (1924 film)|''Peter Pan'']]''' by [[Paramount Pictures]] (1924), an authorised [[silent movie]] adaptation. It starred [[Betty Bronson]] as [[Peter Pan]], [[Ernest Torrence]] as [[Captain Hook]], [[Mary Brian]] as [[Wendy Darling]], and [[Virginia Brown Faire]] as [[Tinker Bell]]. Barrie was involved in this production and wrote a [[screenplay]] for it, but Paramount instead used the original stage script, taking dialogue from it for the [[intertitle]]s<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0015224/ Peter Pan (1924)]</ref>
* '''''Peter Pan''''' (Питер Пэн) (1987), an unauthorised live-action musical adaptation by [[Belarusfilm]] for [[Soviet Central Television|Soviet television]]
* '''[[Hook (film)|''Hook'']]''' by [[Steven Spielberg]] (1991), an authorised live-action sequel. A family action/adventure film starring [[Robin Williams]], [[Dustin Hoffman]], [[Julia Roberts]], [[Bob Hoskins]] and [[Maggie Smith]]. This film deviates in a significant way from Barrie's source material in that it tells the story of a Peter Pan who chose to grow up and not return to Neverland to become a father having fallen in love (during a visit to Wendy's House in London) with Wendy's grand-daughter Moira who later became his wife. Pan took on a new life and became Peter Banning, an unimaginative and work-obsessed lawyer who has a strained relationship with his family including his two children, Maggie and Jack. Peter is lured back to Neverland by his old enemy Captain Hook who has kidnapped both Maggie and Jack in an attempt to rediscover meaning in his life and force Peter to give him the war he has long craved for, whilst also attempting to turn Peters' own children against their father in the process. Despite mixed reviews by critics, the film was popular with audiences and grossed nearly $120 million in the U.S., making it the 4th highest-grossing movie of 1991<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102057/ Hook (1991)]</ref>
* '''[[Peter Pan (2003 film)|''Peter Pan'']]''' directed by [[P. J. Hogan]] (2003), an authorised live-action movie adaptation. This version is notable for its directness in addressing the romantic elements between Peter ([[Jeremy Sumpter]]) and Wendy ([[Rachel Hurd-Wood]]). Captain Hook was portrayed by [[Jason Isaacs]] (who also plays the role of Mr Darling), and Tinker Bell was played by [[Ludivine Sagnier]]. The $100 million film boasted state-of-the-art special effects by [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM]] and took nearly a year to produce in Australia, but was not a financial success for [[Universal Studios]] (USA/France/English countries) and [[Columbia Pictures]]<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316396/ Peter Pan (2003)]</ref>
* '''[[Neverland (film)|''Neverland'']]''' by writer/director [[Damion Dietz]] (2003), an unauthorised film reinterpretation. Set in early 21st-century Los Angeles and heavily "updated" for this setting, Dietz's independently produced film—featuring [[Wil Wheaton]] as John Darling—maintains much of the characterisation, plot and themes of Barrie's original story
* '''[[Pan (2015 film)|''Pan'']]''' (2015), an origin story directed by [[Joe Wright]] starring [[Levi Miller]] as Pan, [[Garrett Hedlund]] as Hook, [[Hugh Jackman]] as Blackbeard, [[Rooney Mara]] as Tiger Lily, [[Adeel Akhtar]] as Smee, [[Nonso Anozie]] as Bishop and [[Amanda Seyfried]] as Mary<ref>{{cite web|title=Levi Miller Tapped to Play Peter Pan in Warner Bros.' 'Pan' (EXCLUSIVE)|date=18 March 2014|url=https://variety.com/2014/film/news/levi-miller-tapped-to-play-peter-pan-in-warner-bros-pan-exclusive-1201136941/|publisher=Variety|access-date = 2014-03-18}}</ref>
* '''[[Wendy (film)|''Wendy'']]''' (2020), a live-action reimagining from Wendy's perspective, directed by [[Benh Zeitlin]] featuring Devin France as the titled character, with Yashua Mack as Peter, Krzysztof Meyn as Thomas and Gage and Gavin Naquin as Douglas and James Darling.
* '''''[[Come Away]]''''' (2020), a film that portrays Peter Pan as the brother of [[Alice (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)|Alice]] from [[Lewis Carroll]]'s story of ''[[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]'' portrayed by Keira Chansa. The cast includes Jordan Nash as Peter, as well as [[Angelina Jolie]], [[David Oyelowo]], with [[David Gyasi]] as [[Captain Hook]] and [[Gugu Mbatha-Raw]] as Alice Darling
* '''''[[Peter Pan & Wendy]]''''' (2023), a live-action adaptation of the 1953 Disney movie directed by [[David Lowery (director)|David Lowery]] and written by him and Toby Halbrooks; starring [[Alexander Molony]] and [[Ever Anderson]] as the title characters Peter Pan and Wendy Darling, [[Jude Law]] as Captain Hook, [[Yara Shahidi]] as Tinker Bell and Alyssa Wapanatahk as Tiger Lily<ref>{{cite magazine|url=https://deadline.com/2016/04/peter-pan-live-action-disney-film-david-lowery-petes-dragon-1201736940/|title=Disney Sets 'Pete's Dragon' Helmer David Lowery For New Live Action Peter Pan Film|magazine=Deadline|last=Fleming|first=Mike Jr.|date=April 13, 2016}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|last=Kroll|first=Justin|url=https://variety.com/2020/film/news/disney-live-action-peter-pan-peter-wendy-1203529492/|title=Disney's Live-Action 'Peter Pan' Movie Finds Its Wendy and Peter (EXCLUSIVE)|work=Variety|date=March 10, 2020|access-date=March 10, 2020}}</ref><ref name="Yuma">{{cite web |date=September 9, 2022 |last1=Yuma |first1=Jennifer |title='Peter Pan & Wendy' Footage Debuts at D23: 'Wendy and Peter Are Equals' |url=https://variety.com/2022/film/news/peter-pan-wendy-disney-d23-1235109776/ |website=Variety |quote=Jim Whitaker and Joe Roth serve as producers.}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|last=Kroll|first=Justin|url=https://variety.com/2020/film/uncategorized/jude-law-captain-hook-peter-pan-live-action-disney-1234629518/|title=Jude Law to Play Captain Hook in Disney's Live-Action 'Peter Pan' (EXCLUSIVE)|work=Variety|date=July 7, 2020|access-date=July 7, 2020}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|last=Kroll|first=Justin|url=https://deadline.com/2020/09/yara-shahidi-tinkerbell-peter-pan-and-wendy-movie-casting-1203011493/|title='Grown-ish' Star Yara Shahidi To Play Tinker Bell In Disney's Live-Action 'Peter Pan' Pic|work=Deadline Hollywood|date=September 25, 2020|access-date=September 25, 2020}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|last=McLaughlin|first=Sean|url=https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/10/16/peter-pan-tiger-lily-exclusive/|title=Disney's Peter Pan and Wendy Has Found Its Tiger Lily in Alyssa Alook: Exclusive|work=The Illuminerdi|date=October 16, 2020|access-date=October 18, 2020}}</ref>
* '''''[[Peter Pan's Neverland Nightmare]]''''' (2024), a horror reimagining of the story that will be directed by [[Scott Chambers|Scott Jeffrey]] and produced by [[Rhys Frake-Waterfield]], who helmed ''[[Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey]]'' and will be set in the same universe, featuring Peter DeSouza-Feighoney as Michael Darling.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/winnie-the-pooh-blood-and-honey-cinema-release-1235251962/ |title=Viral Low-Budget Horror 'Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey' Getting Theatrical Release in U.S., U.K., Canada, Mexico (Exclusive) |website=[[The Hollywood Reporter]] |last=Ritman |first=Alex |date=November 1, 2022 |access-date=November 1, 2022}}</ref>

===Animation===
* [[Walt Disney]]'s '''''[[Peter Pan (1953 film)|Peter Pan]]''''' (1953), an authorised [[animation|animated]] adaptation. [[The Walt Disney Company|Disney]] licensed the film rights to the story in 1939 from [[Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children]]. It featured music by [[Sammy Cahn]], Frank Churchill, [[Sammy Fain]], and Ted Sears. 15-year-old film actor [[Bobby Driscoll]] supplied the voice of Peter, while Wendy was portrayed by [[Kathryn Beaumont]], who previously portrayed [[Alice (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)|Alice]] in ''[[Alice in Wonderland (1951 film)|Alice in Wonderland]]''. Hook was portrayed by [[Hans Conried]] (who also played Mr. Darling), and [[Margaret Kerry]] did live-action references for Tinker Bell. This version contained little of the original dialogue from the play or its novelisation<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046183/ Peter Pan (1953)]</ref>
* '''[[Peter Pan (1988 film)|''Peter Pan'']]''' (1988), an unauthorised Australian direct-to-video animated adaptation
* '''''[[Return to Never Land]]''''' from [[Walt Disney Pictures|Disney]] (2002), an authorised animated sequel to the 1953 Disney film. Wendy's daughter Jane becomes involved with Peter Pan. The movie takes place during [[World War II]], set amidst [[the Blitz]] (1940), and deals with the issue of children being forced to grow up too fast<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280030/ Return to Never Land (2002)]</ref>
* In ''[[Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (film)|Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers]]'' (2022), [[Will Arnett]] voiced a version of Peter Pan called Sweet Pete, the "actor" who played the character in the 1953 film, who became a crime boss after being fired by Disney due to his age he goes and chases [[Chip and Dale]] for discovering his plans, serving as the main antagonist of this film.

==Television==

===Live-action===
*''[[Producers' Showcase]]: Peter Pan'' (7 March 1955). The 1954 stage version was re-staged for television by NBC as part of its monthly high-quality [[anthology series]] ''Producers' Showcase'' and broadcast as a historic, live [[color television]] event. The production was so well received that ''Producers' Showcase'' produced a second live presentation on 9 January 1956, with the same cast. [[Mary Martin]] played TV's Peter Pan for the third time on 8 December 1960 with many of the same cast members, and this version of the 1954 musical was recorded on color [[videotape]], and repeated in 1963, 1966, and 1973. It was presented by NBC as a stand-alone special program rather than as part of ''Producer's Showcase''. After 1973, it was presumed lost and not broadcast again until March 1989, after which it eventually appeared a few times on the [[Disney Channel]]. It was also released on videocassette and briefly on DVD. In 2000, the Cathy Rigby stage production, featuring almost all of the songs used in the 1954 version, was telecast by the [[A&E Network]] and issued on DVD<ref name=autogenerated1>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054176/ Peter Pan (1960) (TV)]</ref>
*''[[Hallmark Hall of Fame]]'': ''[[Peter Pan (1976 musical)|Peter Pan]]'' (12 December 1976). A new TV musical production was broadcast on [[NBC]]. It starred [[Mia Farrow]] as Peter and [[Danny Kaye]] as Captain Hook. It had a new score, with music and lyrics by [[Anthony Newley]] and [[Leslie Bricusse]], but did not achieve the success or the popularity that the Mary Martin version had. The screenplay was by [[Andrew Birkin]], who went on to write and direct ''[[The Lost Boys (docudrama)|The Lost Boys]]'', a [[docudrama]] for the [[BBC]] about Barrie and the [[Llewelyn Davies boys]]<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073533/ Peter Pan (1976) (TV)]</ref>
*''[[Neverland (miniseries)|Neverland]]'' on [[Syfy]] Channel and [[Sky Movies]] (December 2011), a two-part miniseries that re-imagines the origins of Peter Pan prior to his adventures with Wendy. Here, he (and his friends who would become the [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boys]]) is depicted as being an [[orphan]]ed [[pickpocket]] who was taken in by expert thief and former arms dealer [[Captain Hook|James "Jimmy" Hook]] as an infant. Directed by [[Nick Willing]], the cast includes [[Charlie Rowe]] as [[Peter Pan]], [[Rhys Ifans]] as [[Captain Hook|James Hook]], [[Bob Hoskins]] as [[Mr. Smee#Hook|Smee]],[[Anna Friel]] as Captain Elizabeth Bonny, [[Charles Dance]] as Dr. Richard Fludd, [[Lorn Macdonald]] as Fox and [[Keira Knightley]] as the voice of [[Tinker Bell]]<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1720619/ Neverland (2011) (TV)]</ref>
*''The New Adventures of Peter and Wendy'' (2013 – present), webseries that features Wendy as the main character through a series of vlogs and other media
*''[[Peter Pan Live!]]'' is a new production of the 1954 version broadcast live on NBC on 4 December 2014 starring [[Allison Williams (actress)|Allison Williams]] as Peter, [[Christopher Walken]] as Captain Hook, [[Kelli O'Hara]] as Mrs. Darling, [[Christian Borle]] as Mr. Darling/Mr. Smee and [[Minnie Driver]] as the adult Wendy. Critical reaction was mixed, with many critics expressing relief that the broadcast was not a disaster<ref name=Hetrick/>
*''[[Peter and Wendy (film)|Peter and Wendy]]'' (2015), a two-hour drama based on J M Barrie's novel first aired on [[ITV (TV network)|ITV]] on 26 December 2015, produced by Headline Pictures, set in [[Great Ormond Street Hospital]] in which a child patient slips into a fantasy world resembling Neverland during an operation. With [[Stanley Tucci]] as Captain Hook, [[Paloma Faith]] as Tinker Bell, [[Laura Fraser]] as Mrs Darling, [[Woody Norman]] as Curly, [[Hazel Doupe]] as Wendy and [[Zac Sutcliffe]] as Peter<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/may/14/paloma-faith-stanley-tucci-itv-peter-pan-peter-wendy|title = Paloma Faith and Stanley Tucci to star in ITV's Peter Pan drama|website = [[TheGuardian.com]]|date = 14 May 2015}}</ref>
*''[[Peter Pan Goes Wrong]]'' (2016), a one-hour television adaptation of [[Mischief Theatre]]'s play of the same name in which the fictitious Cornley Polytechnic Drama Society attempt to stage a production of ''Peter Pan'', starring the original cast and guest appearance from [[David Suchet]] as the narrator
*''[[Once Upon a Time (TV series)|Once Upon a Time]]'' is an [[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]] television series that involves characters from familiar works of fiction, including ''Peter Pan''. [[Colin O'Donoghue]] was a series regular in the role of Hook, who originated as Killian Jones. [[Freya Tingley]] first played Wendy in the 21st episode of the second season and continued playing the role in a few episodes towards the end of Season 3A. [[Robbie Kay]] played the main villain role during Season 3A as Peter Pan, portrayed in the series as the father of [[Rumpelstiltskin]], and reprised his role in a couple episodes during Season 5B and the second-to-last episode of the overall show. [[Rose McIver]] played Tinker Bell during the majority of Season 3A, then one episode during Season 3B and one during Season 6.

===Animation===

*''[[Peter Pan: The Animated Series]]'' (romanised as "Pîtâ Pan no Bôken") by [[Nippon Animation]] (1989), an [[anime]] television series. Produced as part of Nippon's ''[[World Masterpiece Theater]]'' series, the first 23 episodes are a loose adaptation of Barrie's story, while the latter half introduces a completely original arc with new supporting characters<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168361/ "Pîtâ Pan no bôken" (1989)]</ref>
*''[[Fox's Peter Pan & the Pirates]]'' on [[Fox Kids]] (1990), an animated TV series based on Barrie's novel, presenting the Darling children's other adventures in the Neverland during their stay. The series also focuses on significant development of the pirates as less one-dimensional characters. Voice talents in the cast included [[Jason Marsden]] as Peter and [[Tim Curry]] as "Captain James T. Hook"; Curry won an Emmy for it<ref>[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098892/ "Peter Pan and the Pirates" (1990-1991)]</ref>
*A series of digitally animated [[direct-to-DVD]] films starring Tinker Bell was begun by Disney in 2008. These works are part of the company's [[Disney Fairies]] franchise, and feature a cast of fairy characters and settings original to Disney.
**''[[Tinker Bell (film)|Tinker Bell]]'' (2008)
**''[[Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure]]'' (2009)
**''[[Tinker Bell and the Great Fairy Rescue]]'' (2010)
**''[[Pixie Hollow Games]]'' (TV special, 2011)
**''[[Secret of the Wings]]'' (2012)
**''[[The Pirate Fairy]]'' (2014)
**''[[Tinker Bell and the Legend of the NeverBeast]]'' (2015)
*''[[Jake and the Never Land Pirates]]'' (2011–2016), an [[Annie Award]]-winning [[musical theatre|musical]] [[interactive]] [[animated]] [[Disney Junior]] show based on the successful [[Peter Pan (franchise)|Disney franchise]], ''Peter Pan''. The series focuses on a band of young pirates consisting of Jake, Izzy, Cubby, and their parrot Skully, who continuously spend their days competing against [[Captain Hook (Disney)|Captain Hook]] and [[Mr. Smee (Disney)|Mr. Smee]] for treasure.
*''The New Adventures of Peter Pan'' (2012–2016) is a series of [[CGI animation]] French-German-Indian produced by the DQ Entertainment and [[Method Animation]].

==Video games==
*'''''[[Peter Pan (video game)|Peter Pan]]''''', a 1984 video game published by Hodder & Stoughton
*'''''[[Peter Pan and the Pirates (video game)|Peter Pan and the Pirates]]''''', a 1991 [[side-scrolling game]] for the [[Nintendo Entertainment System]], based on the TV series
*'''''[[Hook (video game)|Hook]]''''', a set of four 1992 games based on the film. One was an [[Arcade game|arcade]] fight game, two were [[side-scrolling game]]s for [[Nintendo]] and [[Sega]] consoles, and the fourth was an [[adventure game]] for home computers
*'''''Peter Pan: Return to Neverland''''', two 2002 games based on Disney's film, one for the [[Game Boy Advance]], the other for [[PlayStation]]
*'''''[[Kingdom Hearts]]''''', a franchise between Square-Enix and Disney on various game systems that features Neverland as a playable world inhabited with various characters from the Peter Pan books and films including Peter Pan, Wendy, Tinker Bell, Captain Hook, and Mr. Smee
*Disney has released two video games as part of the [[Disney Fairies]] franchise, for the [[Nintendo DS]], each a tie-in with a direct-to-DVD feature film of the same name:
**'''''Tinker Bell''''' (2008)
**'''''Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure''''' (2009)
**'''''Tinker Bell and the Great Fairy Rescue''''' (2010)
*'''''[[Disney Infinity 2.0]]''''', Tinker Bell is a playable character in the game's Toy Box mode. She has been given powers to fly, and use her fairy dust to defeat enemies
*'''''[[Disney Magic Kingdoms]]''''', includes as playable characters some of the characters from the 1953 animated film in new storylines placed after the events of the film

==Biographical dramas==

*'''''[[The Lost Boys (docudrama)|The Lost Boys]]''''', a 1978 [[docudrama]] produced by the BBC, written by [[Andrew Birkin]], starring [[Ian Holm]], tells about the relationship between Barrie and the [[Llewelyn Davies boys]] and the development of Peter Pan
*'''''[[Finding Neverland (film)|Finding Neverland]]''''', a 2004 film starring [[Johnny Depp]] as Barrie and [[Kate Winslet]] as [[Sylvia Llewelyn Davies]] is a fictionalised account of their relationship and how it led to the creation of Peter Pan. It was based on the 1998 play ''The Man Who Was Peter Pan'' by [[Allan Knee]]. In 2015, it was adapted into a [[Finding Neverland (musical)|musical]] on Broadway, playing at the Lunt-Fontanne Theatre

==References in other works==

* In 1980, [[Petula Clark]] starred in '''''[[Never, Never Land (1980 film)|Never, Never Land]]''''' as a woman whose niece, captivated by Barrie's tale, runs away with her younger cousin and takes refuge with a group of "lost boys" squatting in a deserted London townhouse
*In the 1986 Spanish film '''''El río de oro''''' (''The Golden River'') by [[Jaime Chávarri]], the central character is a man named Peter whose wife Dubarry played the role of [[Tinker Bell]] in a theater play some years ago. They had a son, but Peter killed the baby when he was only 3 months old because he thought the boy was growing up too fast
* The plot of the 1990 novel '''''[[An Awfully Big Adventure (novel)|An Awfully Big Adventure]]''''' by Beryl Bainbridge (made into a [[An Awfully Big Adventure|film]] in 1995) revolves around a production of the play
* The 2002 novel '''''The League of Heroes''''' by [[Xavier Mauméjean]] is set in an [[Parallel universe (fiction)|alternate universe]] in which Neverland has materialized in Kensington Gardens. The [[fairy]] folk are commonplace in London, as are pirates and Indians. Peter Pan is considered one of several enemies of the repressive government and is pursued by the League whose members include Lord Admiral Hook ([[Captain Hook]]), [[Sherlock Holmes]], and Lord Greystoke ([[Tarzan]])
* In a [[Wizards of Waverly Place (season 2)|season 2]] episode of the [[Disney Channel]] sitcom '''''[[Wizards of Waverly Place]]''''' called "Fairy Tale", [[Justin Russo (Wizards of Waverly Place)|Justin Russo]] directs a school play of Peter Pan, with [[Zeke Beakerman]] cast as Peter Pan and [[Harper Finkle]] cast as Tinker Bell (she's later replaced by [[Alex Russo]] after falling off the stage)
* Singer/songwriter [[S. J. Tucker]] has released three songs called '''[[The Wendy Trilogy]]''', chronicling how Wendy joined Captain Hook's crew, dueled him for command, gained great fame in Neverland and beyond, and eventually returned home, passing her legacy on
* The song '''"[[Fly (Blind Guardian song)|Fly]]"''' by [[Blind Guardian]] is about Peter Pan
* In the seventh episode on season 10 of '''''[[Grey's Anatomy]]''''', [[Jo Karev|Jo Wilson]] ([[Camilla Luddington]]) dresses as [[Tinker Bell]] for [[Halloween]] and shows up at her boyfriend [[Alex Karev]]'s ([[Justin Chambers]]) house, after a fight they had resulting from his estranged father's appearance, showing her loyalty to the boy who didn't grow up
*The song '''"[[Lost Boy (Ruth B song)|Lost Boy]]"''' by [[Ruth B]] is about Neverland
* The cartoon series '''''[[World of Winx]]''''' features Peter Pan and Neverland characters Smee, Jim (Captain Hook), Crocodile Man (Crocodile), Queen (Tinker Bell), Wendy Darling. Peter Pan has a son named Matt Barrie
*The film '''''[[Viy 2: Journey to China]]''''' features a character named James Hook (played by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) whose outfit and personality appear to be inspired by Hook
* In the film '''''[[Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (film)|Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers]]''''' (2022), [[Will Arnett]] plays Sweet Pete, a middle-aged version of Peter Pan who became a crime boss<ref>{{cite web | url=https://whatsondisneyplus.com/chip-n-dale-rescue-rangers-disney-original-teaser-trailer-released/ | title="Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers" Disney+ Original Teaser Trailer Released }}</ref>

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== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

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== Self-published works ==

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*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore desevers to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]]) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|CSOOCS]] comment added 11:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore desevers to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]])

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== Fair use images ==

Contrary to what [[User:Papa November]] asserts in his edit summaries, fair-use images ''are'' permitted in "list" articles. There are even [[Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines for how it should/n't be done]]. It says that "non-free images should be used judiciously to present the key visual aspects of the topic" and "images that are used only to visually identify elements in the article should be used as sparingly as possible." I believe the usage in this article was both judicious and sparing. It says that "It is inadvisable to provide a non-free image for each entry in such an article or section," and the article did not. The guidelines say to restrict usage "as agreed to by editor consensus", and there is no basis in these guidelines for the unilateral removal of ''all'' fair use images from the article. - [[User:JasonAQuest|JasonAQuest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:Oops - it looks like I've been a bit overzealous. However, in the context of this article, there were only actually two images with non-free fair use rationales for them to appear here. I've added them both back in to the article, but their fair use rationales really need a lot of work still. It's still unclear from the fair-use rationales why you specifically need to show [[:Image:PeterPan1.jpg]] and [[:Image:PeterPanPoster2.jpg]]. Are those productions especially notable? As said in the [[WP:NFCC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles|guidelines]], it's inadvisable to provide an illustration for every list item. You'll need to decide which items (if any) need to be illustrated, and how best to do it. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Self published? ==

Isn't R Scott Leatherwood's prequel self-published as well? Global Quest Publishing is not a mainstream publisher and its president is the author himself. Looks suspiciously like vanity press to me... [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 14:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:I hadn't noticed that, but you're apparently right. - [[User:JasonAQuest|Jason A. Quest]] ([[User talk:JasonAQuest|talk]]) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== ''Hook and Peter'' by [[Doram Jacoby]] ==

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'''''Hook and Peter''''' by [[Doram Jacoby]] (2013).

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== Self-published works ==

The following titles have been removed as self-published sources (or non-notable). See [[WP:SPS]]

*'''''Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan''''' by R. Scott Leatherwood (2001), an unauthorized [[prequel]] novel, to [[Peter and Wendy]] that aims to answer those seventeen questions that haven't been addressed.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland: The Early Adventures of Peter Pan |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/384503.Neverland |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Wendy''''' by Karen Wallace (2003), an unauthorised [[prequel]] for [[Youth|young adults]]. An attempt to explain the Darling children's willingness to fly away with Peter on the grounds that their home life, up until shortly before Peter appeared, had been filled with abuse and tragedy: a cruel [[nanny]], a criminally irresponsible father, and a suggestion of insanity in the family.
*'''''Peter Pan's NeverWorld''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (2008) an unofficial sequel set presumably in contemporary times. Based upon Sir J. M. Barrie's idea to expand the adventures of Peter Pan with his genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts concerning Peter Pan's younger brother.<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan's NeverWorld |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3740822-peter-pan-s-neverworld |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Wendy That Stayed''''' by A.M. Bell (2008). Originally a follow up to events straight after [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Wendy That Stayed |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29980979-the-wendy-that-stayed |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Never After''''' by Dan Elconin (2009) A novel for [[New adult fiction|new adult]] or [[Young adult literature|young adult]]s depicting Captain Hook as the [[anti-hero]] [[protagonist]] facing off against an [[antagonist]]ic Peter Pan.
*'''''Second on the Right''''' by Elizabeth Los (2012). An [[alternate history]] [[Pourquoi story|origin]] of James Hook who must rescue his son from becoming the latest host body to Pan.
*'''''Tales of the Airship Neverland''''' by John R. White (Createspace, 2012). First of the ''Tales of the Airship Neverland'' [[tetralogy]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[steampunk]] or [[dieselpunk]] retelling set in an [[alternate history]] version of the early [[Victorian era|victorian times]], features Neverland as a state of the art [[airship]] that is a mobile community in the sky. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750475-Tales-of-the-Airship-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''Neverland's Lament''''' by Jason Medici (2013). An [[alternate history]] version to [[Peter and Wendy]] and what happens after.<ref>{{cite book |title=Neverland's Lament |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884816-neverland-s-lament |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nevermor''''' by Lani Lenore (Createspace, 2013). First of the [[Young adult literature|young adult]] ''Nevermor'' trilogy transplanting [[facsimiles]] of [[James Matthew Barrie|J. M. Barrie]]'s characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. This [[alternate history]] retelling set in early [[Neo-Victorian|victorian times]] depicts a re-named [[Wendy Darling]] and her brothers as orphans who wind up in a different version of [[Neverland]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Nevermor |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17669978-Nevermor}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between''''' by [[Peter Von Brown]] (Createspace, 2013) a [[Midquel|interquel]]. Based upon Barrie's genuine unused notes and unfinished drafts set between [[Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens]] and [[Peter and Wendy]].<ref>{{cite book |title=Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24991661-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Adventures of Peter Pan Series''''' by David Earl set during the events after [[Hook (film)|Hook]] in which an elderly Peter Pan finds himself up against the son of [[Captain Hook]].
**'''''Son of Hook''''' (Createspace, 2014)
**'''''The Secret of Skeleton Bay''''' (Createspace, 2014)
*'''''The Fall of Peter Pan''''' by K.L. Webber (2014). First of ''The Neverland Chronicles'' serial adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writtings to create a different take to the original text of [[Peter and Wendy]]. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Fall of Peter Pan: The Neverland Chronicles |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24004766-the-fall-of-peter-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Pan: Experiencing Neverland''''' by Matthew Eldridge (Createspace, 2015). An alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] that presents the tale in a [[Literary realism|realistic]] format.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Pan: Experiencing Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29220798-the-pan |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Peter Pan ''''' part of the urban-toons series by Antoinette Truitt and King Ki'el (2015), featuring [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters that depicts Peter Pan as leader of a group of escaped runaway child slaves.
*'''''The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To Peter & Wendy''''' by Burgandi Rakoska (2016). A hospital child patient is whisked away to [[Neverland]].<ref>{{cite book |title=The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up: An Unofficial Sequel To P… |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32026241-the-boy-who-wouldn-t-grow-up |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Shelby and the Lost Boy of Misbegot Islands''''' by [[John Edward Byrd]] (2016). First of a postponed ''Mpeta'' serial transplanting [[facsimiles]] of Barrie's characters into a [[Parallel universes in fiction|parallel universe]] setting. In 1970's [[Brooklyn]] three New Yorker siblings wind up on a [[List of lost lands|hidden island]] in the [[Caribbean]]. <ref>{{Cite web |title=Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31665391-Shelby-and-the-Lost-Boy-of-Misbegot-Island}}</ref>
*'''''Silver Scars: A Peter Pan Twist''''' by Renata Marie (Createspace, 2016). Reality and Fantasy collides when Kyle Darling and his parents are kidnapped, Adela Nora Darling must uncover the truth behind the story of Neverland and Peter Pan.
*'''''Son of Pan''''' by Christopher Jalil (2016). In this [[Tinker Bell]] recruits Peter Pan's [[pre-teen]] offspring to save [[Neverland]].[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29758183-son-of-pan?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=RGRSwsRP8B&rank=3]
*'''''The Death of Neverland''''' by Serena Mossgraves (Independent, 2017), a more adult themed tale concerning the parts of Neverland and it's more secretive history that are normally left out.
*'''''Kingdom of Hook: The Terrifying Origin of Peter Pan’s Nemesis''''' by Joshua B. Gibbs (Createspace, 2017), adapted from Barrie's genuine earlier discarded writings to create a backstory to Captain Hook.
*'''''Pan''''' by Maggie Stewart (2017). A contemporary tale of a teenage girl who meets someone who might be Peter Pan.
*'''''Lost Girl''''' by R. M. Archer (Independent, 2018). Following the exploits of Nya, the granddaughter of Captain Hook and her relationship with Peter Pan.<ref>{{cite book |title=Lost Girl |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40240331-lost-girl |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''Nightmare of Neverland''''' by Todd Feren (Independent, 2018). First of ''The Nightmare series'' serial featuring nightmarish caricatures of well known literary characters.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Nightmare-of-Neverland|url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42077350-Nightmare-of-Neverland}}</ref>
*'''''The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series''''' (self-published) by R. V. Bowman, a [[trilogy]] adventure series featuring the long lost daughter of Captain Hook. Currently being adapted into a [[live action]] TV series.<ref> [https://deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-agc-television-1235811032/ The Pirate Princess Chronicles Series] deadline.com/2024/02/hooks-daughter-the-pirate-princess-chronicles-television </ref>
**'''''Hook's Daughter: The Untold Tale of a Pirate Princess''''' (2018)
**'''''Pan's Secret: A Pirate Princess's Quest for Answers''''' (2019)
**'''''Neverland's Key: A Pirate Princess's Last Chance''''' (2019)
*'''''Darling: Never Ever Neverland''''' by K.T. Hanna (self-published, 2019). Following events of [[Peter and Wendy]], [[Wendy Darling]] must come to the aid of orphans who are being recruited into a thieving ring.<ref>{{cite book |title=Darling: Never Ever Neverland |url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45028847-darling |language=en}}</ref>
*'''''The Never: A Tale of Peter and the Fae''''' by Don Jones (Independent, 2019). An alternative [[origin story]] to the creation of [[Neverland]] and the arrival of Peter Pan. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49225878-the-never?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aWsrc5PhzL&rank=1]
*'''''Peter Pan Prequels Series''''' by Baby Black (Indepedent, 2019). An [[Ebook]] [[trilogy]] set during an alternative [[origin story]] to [[Peter Pan]] prior to events leading up to [[Peter and Wendy]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/series/335656-peter-pan-prequels]
*'''''Lost''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2021). In this [[re-telling]] Winnifred Elizabeth Darling finds herself on a ship full of [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Ones]] unsure of how she got there or how to get home. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59958210-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=1]
*'''''Forgotten''''' by Nicholle Pugmire (Independent, 2022). A follow on to ''Lost'' in which one [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boy]] seeks to get back to the [[Neverland|Never]]. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112029225-forgotten?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4TO6HjD5GI&rank=5]
*'''''Petra: A Novel Based On The Peter Pan Universe''''' by Miranda R Urena and illustrated by James A Knox (Independent, 2022), a contemporary re-telling featuring Peter Pan's younger sister.
*'''''The Lost Girl''''' by Allison Spooner (self-published, 2023). Great granddaughter of Peter Pan; Lady Pan is dying of a [[terminal illness]] unless [[Neverland]] can save her. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197223964-the-lost-girl?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17]
[[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

:Totally agree. [[User:Stelmaris|Stelmaris]] ([[User talk:Stelmaris|talk]]) 21:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Some of the titles remaining are merely 'inspired by' the characters and some titles are prequels, canonical or in-universe sequels so there might be better ways to distinguish these. [[User:Darrelljon|Darrelljon]] ([[User talk:Darrelljon|talk]]) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
How about we create a section of self-published works on the List of works based on Peter Pan as some Peter Pan's NeverWorld and Peter Pan: Betwixt-and-Between by Peter Von Brown use the exact unused notes and drafts from Sir J. M. Barrie Peter Von Brown is a J.M. Barrie scholar, receiving Honors at Knox College for his Independent Study of Sir J.M. Barrie as a Modern Mythmaker. Von Brown's research resulted in a paper on the socio-psychological ramifications of Pan in our culture, and a new novel. "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is an extension of "Peter and Wendy." It is based upon J.M. Barrie's notes, jotted down as Barrie mused upon a new adventure for Pan. Thus, "Peter Pan's NeverWorld" is as close as eager readers can come to an authentic sequel to the beloved story. Von Brown's next work was "Peter Pan: Betwixt and Between," gathering the threads of Barrie's works to explore Peter's passage from infancy in Kensington Gardens to boyhood in the Neverland. Peter Von Brown designed the cover image for "Peter and Wendy: The Restored Text." https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Wendy-Restored-Text-Annotated/dp/098237142X Don't you think he therefore desevers to have his work with the other List of works based on Peter Pan ([[User talk:CSOOCS|talk]])

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Greetings I've been an on and off contributor to Wikipedia since 2004 though different User names, mostly because my password at the time wasn't recognized or my user name was lost in some form or other. I've stayed relatively in the background because some contributors could be picky and would consistently alter any edits I did unnecessarily, so I tended to give up trying to change them back and let them just get on with it.
My particular interests include certain literature titles and film adaptions. Recently I went back to looking at works by renown novelists who are inspired by such classical authors like JM Barrie and William Golding along with their creations and the marketplace for them.