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User talk:InQuahogNeato

2009-06-24T21:31:03Z

InQuahogNeato: /* Unblock request */

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:No, the picture probably can't be used under a fair use claim; we reserve this for ones which ''cannot'' be replaced by a free image for whatever reason. It's pretty clear that this is replaceable. See [[WP:NFCC|this]]. Cheers, [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] ([[User talk:Collard|lol]], [[commons:User:Collard|internet]]) 22:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::How about if I take a reduced quality screenshot, would that count? [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 00:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::No. The issue is replaceability. We don't even (for the most part) allow pictures of people who are already living (like celebrities) under fair use, because a replacement could plausibly be made. I think that's especially so for a dog. Hey, I don't make the rules around here... [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] ([[User talk:Collard|lol]], [[commons:User:Collard|internet]]) 07:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate account ==

So then, who's alternate account are you? The knowledge of wikipedia that you display is not that of a normal user, so, who are you?— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 20:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:LOL WUT
:Let's pretend you never [[WP:NPA|attacked me]] for being too knowledgeable, shall we? TheRedPenOfDoom was repeatedly violating [[WP:FILMPLOT]] by demanding unnecessary citations, so I reverted his edits because the previous version of that sentence was simply wrong, plot wise. As for "alternate accounts" – I have no other active accounts at the present moment. I will grant you the chance to rethink your attitude towards me, review my contribs and ask me in case anything there bothers you. Have I blatantly violated a rule? Have I vandalized an article? Have I disrupted a work in progress by [[WP:POINT|making points]] (such as "[[Meta:Don't be a dick|who are you]] to come to [[WP:OWN|my article]] and start reverting editors, who in your opinion subtract from its overall value?") instead of working towards... say... improving the article? I await your [[WP:CIVIL|civil]] reply. [[Image:Assume good faith lolcat.jpg|250px]] Oh, and for the record – it's "whose." [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 23:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== blocked ==

Yes it's ''whose'' but I've blocked you anyway for personal attacks and block evasion. I'm watching this talk page, so you can speak up for yourself if you like, I'm willing to unblock you if you can sway me into thinking you're here to write encyclopedia articles without trying to hurt other editors. [[User:Gwen Gale|Gwen Gale]] ([[User talk:Gwen Gale|talk]]) 19:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but you must have gotten the wrong person. There is no block evasion here, nor was I trying to hurt anyone. I was attacked by Daedalus969 for "knowing WP rules too well"... and I expressed my honest opinion about his edit history. He assumed bad faith from the get-go, so I replied in a similar manner. Still, if you think I was the aggressive party I will simply ignore any future attack on me. I think if you examine my edit history you can easily see that I'm here to edit articles and not at all interested in this drama. Please reply ASAP. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 22:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Probably a good idea not to respond in kind when people anger you; it tends to escalate things and get in the way of writing an encyclopedia. In this case, why didn't you just say "I've edited for a while as an IP, and still do, but there's no conflict and I've never been blocked"? That's perfectly allowable, and one of the few good answers to "how come you know so much?" --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]][[User talk:Jpgordon|::==( o )]] 23:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're 100% correct. On the other hand, I '''am''' human, so when that editor left such an aggressive comment containing quite an offensive assumption, I simply got upset for such a negative attitude. What you are saying is true, I do edit other articles as an anonymous IP but the answer I gave him was precise – ''"I do not have other active '''accounts''' at the present moment"''. Basically, I have been blocked indefinitely for no just reason, is there a way to get this over with and do the proper adjustments in my block log? Thank you very much in advance. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 23:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Unblock request ==

{{unblock reviewed|1=No one showed me what I did wrong, so I am assuming this is a mistake. A personal attack was conducted against me, I reacted and got blocked for no apparent reason. Can someone please explain WTF is going on here? [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 22:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)|decline=You have been blocked for [[WP:EVADE|block evasion]], of which user we do not know, but your contributions speak for themselves. As for the personal attacks, I believe [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daedalus969&diff=prev&oldid=297951904 this] comment (along with a few others) is what Gwen is referring to, and I agree it was out of line. Lastly you have engaged in edit warring on a number of articles including [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stewie_Griffin:_The_Untold_Story&action=history Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story]. As such, this request is declined. [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 01:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)}}

You're behaving like someone who's both made lots of edits to en.Wikipedia and been blocked before, likewise the long, rambling smear/personal attack you posted (which was way over the top). Having said "I have no other active accounts at the present moment," makes me think one or more of those old accounts might be blocked. Moreover, you've posted to articles and editor talk pages which have lately been linked to vandalism and other worries. Other admins are welcome to review this, but if I'm to unblock you, I need to hear more about what you're doing here. [[User:Gwen Gale|Gwen Gale]] ([[User talk:Gwen Gale|talk]]) 01:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:Blocked by association with editing articles, which may have been vandalized by others in the past... amusing to say the least. Again, I am '''not''' evading block. I did have an account a while ago, which is not blocked, but I won't reveal it in public as this account was intended to be a clean slate; I can email you about it if you want. It could take me less than a minute to change my IP and create a new account, but then again, I am not here for the [[WP:Wikidrama|drama]]. If there is anything you need to know, just ask. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 03:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
::On the other hand, as you people chose to continue the drama and block me out of nowhere, this account already has the stain. I'm officially abandoning it. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 05:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:::One last thing. Tiptoety, I was not a part of ED but you successfully drove me there – I opened an account a couple of days ago. I honestly tried to start on a clean slate and somehow contribute to Wikipedia with a healthy portion of common sense. Unfortunately, I fell victim to bureaucratic masturbation, which is fairly common here. You people have given me the ultimate proof that admins, bureaucrats, checkusers etc. don't know the first thing about properly investigating sockpuppets and block evaders (no, I wasn't evading block, nor have I ever engaged in sockpuppetry). You fling arbitrary blocks by association, protect wikibullies, bite newcomers, "guard" articles based on communal POVs (yes, yes, don't even try and deny it), refuse to exercise the tiniest bit of common sense in any situation... the list can go on for much longer, I just don't give a fuck anymore. Rest assured I'll have a new username sometime in the near future, I still want to be a good contributor because I really want to make Wikipedia better, as opposed to what the so-called "seasoned editors" do here. It's like a badly run political party in here. You're the same bunch of trolls as ED... the difference is that at least '''they admit it''' while you pretentiously mask yourselves as a "civil community"... my ass. This is why Wikipedia is a joke in the eyes of any serious scholar society. Buh-bye for now. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 21:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

User talk:InQuahogNeato

2009-06-24T21:28:22Z

InQuahogNeato: /* Unblock request */

== Replaceable fair use Image:Montenegrin Mountain Hound.jpg ==
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:No, the picture probably can't be used under a fair use claim; we reserve this for ones which ''cannot'' be replaced by a free image for whatever reason. It's pretty clear that this is replaceable. See [[WP:NFCC|this]]. Cheers, [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] ([[User talk:Collard|lol]], [[commons:User:Collard|internet]]) 22:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::How about if I take a reduced quality screenshot, would that count? [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 00:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::No. The issue is replaceability. We don't even (for the most part) allow pictures of people who are already living (like celebrities) under fair use, because a replacement could plausibly be made. I think that's especially so for a dog. Hey, I don't make the rules around here... [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] ([[User talk:Collard|lol]], [[commons:User:Collard|internet]]) 07:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate account ==

So then, who's alternate account are you? The knowledge of wikipedia that you display is not that of a normal user, so, who are you?— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 20:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:LOL WUT
:Let's pretend you never [[WP:NPA|attacked me]] for being too knowledgeable, shall we? TheRedPenOfDoom was repeatedly violating [[WP:FILMPLOT]] by demanding unnecessary citations, so I reverted his edits because the previous version of that sentence was simply wrong, plot wise. As for "alternate accounts" – I have no other active accounts at the present moment. I will grant you the chance to rethink your attitude towards me, review my contribs and ask me in case anything there bothers you. Have I blatantly violated a rule? Have I vandalized an article? Have I disrupted a work in progress by [[WP:POINT|making points]] (such as "[[Meta:Don't be a dick|who are you]] to come to [[WP:OWN|my article]] and start reverting editors, who in your opinion subtract from its overall value?") instead of working towards... say... improving the article? I await your [[WP:CIVIL|civil]] reply. [[Image:Assume good faith lolcat.jpg|250px]] Oh, and for the record – it's "whose." [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 23:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== blocked ==

Yes it's ''whose'' but I've blocked you anyway for personal attacks and block evasion. I'm watching this talk page, so you can speak up for yourself if you like, I'm willing to unblock you if you can sway me into thinking you're here to write encyclopedia articles without trying to hurt other editors. [[User:Gwen Gale|Gwen Gale]] ([[User talk:Gwen Gale|talk]]) 19:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but you must have gotten the wrong person. There is no block evasion here, nor was I trying to hurt anyone. I was attacked by Daedalus969 for "knowing WP rules too well"... and I expressed my honest opinion about his edit history. He assumed bad faith from the get-go, so I replied in a similar manner. Still, if you think I was the aggressive party I will simply ignore any future attack on me. I think if you examine my edit history you can easily see that I'm here to edit articles and not at all interested in this drama. Please reply ASAP. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 22:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Probably a good idea not to respond in kind when people anger you; it tends to escalate things and get in the way of writing an encyclopedia. In this case, why didn't you just say "I've edited for a while as an IP, and still do, but there's no conflict and I've never been blocked"? That's perfectly allowable, and one of the few good answers to "how come you know so much?" --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]][[User talk:Jpgordon|::==( o )]] 23:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're 100% correct. On the other hand, I '''am''' human, so when that editor left such an aggressive comment containing quite an offensive assumption, I simply got upset for such a negative attitude. What you are saying is true, I do edit other articles as an anonymous IP but the answer I gave him was precise – ''"I do not have other active '''accounts''' at the present moment"''. Basically, I have been blocked indefinitely for no just reason, is there a way to get this over with and do the proper adjustments in my block log? Thank you very much in advance. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 23:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Unblock request ==

{{unblock reviewed|1=No one showed me what I did wrong, so I am assuming this is a mistake. A personal attack was conducted against me, I reacted and got blocked for no apparent reason. Can someone please explain WTF is going on here? [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 22:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)|decline=You have been blocked for [[WP:EVADE|block evasion]], of which user we do not know, but your contributions speak for themselves. As for the personal attacks, I believe [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daedalus969&diff=prev&oldid=297951904 this] comment (along with a few others) is what Gwen is referring to, and I agree it was out of line. Lastly you have engaged in edit warring on a number of articles including [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stewie_Griffin:_The_Untold_Story&action=history Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story]. As such, this request is declined. [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 01:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)}}

You're behaving like someone who's both made lots of edits to en.Wikipedia and been blocked before, likewise the long, rambling smear/personal attack you posted (which was way over the top). Having said "I have no other active accounts at the present moment," makes me think one or more of those old accounts might be blocked. Moreover, you've posted to articles and editor talk pages which have lately been linked to vandalism and other worries. Other admins are welcome to review this, but if I'm to unblock you, I need to hear more about what you're doing here. [[User:Gwen Gale|Gwen Gale]] ([[User talk:Gwen Gale|talk]]) 01:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:Blocked by association with editing articles, which may have been vandalized by others in the past... amusing to say the least. Again, I am '''not''' evading block. I did have an account a while ago, which is not blocked, but I won't reveal it in public as this account was intended to be a clean slate; I can email you about it if you want. It could take me less than a minute to change my IP and create a new account, but then again, I am not here for the [[WP:Wikidrama|drama]]. If there is anything you need to know, just ask. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 03:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
::On the other hand, as you people chose to continue the drama and block me out of nowhere, this account already has the stain. I'm officially abandoning it. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 05:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:::One last thing. Tiptoety, I was not a part of ED but you successfully drove me there – I opened an account a couple of days ago. I honestly tried to start on a clean slate and somehow contribute to Wikipedia with a healthy portion of common sense. Unfortunately, I fell victim to bureaucratic masturbation, which is fairly common here. You people have given me the ultimate proof that admins, bureaucrats, checkusers etc. don't know the first thing about properly investigating sockpuppets and block evaders (no, I wasn't evading block, nor have I ever engaged in sockpuppetry). You fling arbitrary blocks by association, protect wikibullies, bite newcomers, "guard" articles based on communal POVs (yes, yes, don't even try and deny it), refuse to exercise the tiniest bit of common sense in any situation... the list can go on for much longer, I just don't give a fuck anymore. Rest assured I'll have a new username sometime in the near future, I still want to be a good contributor because I really want to make Wikipedia better, as opposed to what the so-called "seasoned editors" do here. It's like a badly run political party in here. You're the same bunch of trolls as ED... the difference is that at least '''they admit it''' while you pretentiously mask yourselves as a "civil community"... my ass. This is why Wikipedia is a joke in the eyes of any serious scholar community. Buh-bye for now. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 21:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

User talk:InQuahogNeato

2009-06-24T21:26:12Z

InQuahogNeato: /* Unblock request */

== Replaceable fair use Image:Montenegrin Mountain Hound.jpg ==
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# Go to [[:Image:Montenegrin Mountain Hound.jpg|the media description page]] and edit it to add {{tlx|di-replaceable fair use disputed}}, '''without deleting the original replaceable fair use template'''.
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:No, the picture probably can't be used under a fair use claim; we reserve this for ones which ''cannot'' be replaced by a free image for whatever reason. It's pretty clear that this is replaceable. See [[WP:NFCC|this]]. Cheers, [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] ([[User talk:Collard|lol]], [[commons:User:Collard|internet]]) 22:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::How about if I take a reduced quality screenshot, would that count? [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 00:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::No. The issue is replaceability. We don't even (for the most part) allow pictures of people who are already living (like celebrities) under fair use, because a replacement could plausibly be made. I think that's especially so for a dog. Hey, I don't make the rules around here... [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] ([[User talk:Collard|lol]], [[commons:User:Collard|internet]]) 07:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate account ==

So then, who's alternate account are you? The knowledge of wikipedia that you display is not that of a normal user, so, who are you?— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 20:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:LOL WUT
:Let's pretend you never [[WP:NPA|attacked me]] for being too knowledgeable, shall we? TheRedPenOfDoom was repeatedly violating [[WP:FILMPLOT]] by demanding unnecessary citations, so I reverted his edits because the previous version of that sentence was simply wrong, plot wise. As for "alternate accounts" – I have no other active accounts at the present moment. I will grant you the chance to rethink your attitude towards me, review my contribs and ask me in case anything there bothers you. Have I blatantly violated a rule? Have I vandalized an article? Have I disrupted a work in progress by [[WP:POINT|making points]] (such as "[[Meta:Don't be a dick|who are you]] to come to [[WP:OWN|my article]] and start reverting editors, who in your opinion subtract from its overall value?") instead of working towards... say... improving the article? I await your [[WP:CIVIL|civil]] reply. [[Image:Assume good faith lolcat.jpg|250px]] Oh, and for the record – it's "whose." [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 23:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== blocked ==

Yes it's ''whose'' but I've blocked you anyway for personal attacks and block evasion. I'm watching this talk page, so you can speak up for yourself if you like, I'm willing to unblock you if you can sway me into thinking you're here to write encyclopedia articles without trying to hurt other editors. [[User:Gwen Gale|Gwen Gale]] ([[User talk:Gwen Gale|talk]]) 19:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but you must have gotten the wrong person. There is no block evasion here, nor was I trying to hurt anyone. I was attacked by Daedalus969 for "knowing WP rules too well"... and I expressed my honest opinion about his edit history. He assumed bad faith from the get-go, so I replied in a similar manner. Still, if you think I was the aggressive party I will simply ignore any future attack on me. I think if you examine my edit history you can easily see that I'm here to edit articles and not at all interested in this drama. Please reply ASAP. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 22:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Probably a good idea not to respond in kind when people anger you; it tends to escalate things and get in the way of writing an encyclopedia. In this case, why didn't you just say "I've edited for a while as an IP, and still do, but there's no conflict and I've never been blocked"? That's perfectly allowable, and one of the few good answers to "how come you know so much?" --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]][[User talk:Jpgordon|::==( o )]] 23:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're 100% correct. On the other hand, I '''am''' human, so when that editor left such an aggressive comment containing quite an offensive assumption, I simply got upset for such a negative attitude. What you are saying is true, I do edit other articles as an anonymous IP but the answer I gave him was precise – ''"I do not have other active '''accounts''' at the present moment"''. Basically, I have been blocked indefinitely for no just reason, is there a way to get this over with and do the proper adjustments in my block log? Thank you very much in advance. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 23:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Unblock request ==

{{unblock reviewed|1=No one showed me what I did wrong, so I am assuming this is a mistake. A personal attack was conducted against me, I reacted and got blocked for no apparent reason. Can someone please explain WTF is going on here? [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 22:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)|decline=You have been blocked for [[WP:EVADE|block evasion]], of which user we do not know, but your contributions speak for themselves. As for the personal attacks, I believe [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daedalus969&diff=prev&oldid=297951904 this] comment (along with a few others) is what Gwen is referring to, and I agree it was out of line. Lastly you have engaged in edit warring on a number of articles including [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stewie_Griffin:_The_Untold_Story&action=history Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story]. As such, this request is declined. [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 01:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)}}

You're behaving like someone who's both made lots of edits to en.Wikipedia and been blocked before, likewise the long, rambling smear/personal attack you posted (which was way over the top). Having said "I have no other active accounts at the present moment," makes me think one or more of those old accounts might be blocked. Moreover, you've posted to articles and editor talk pages which have lately been linked to vandalism and other worries. Other admins are welcome to review this, but if I'm to unblock you, I need to hear more about what you're doing here. [[User:Gwen Gale|Gwen Gale]] ([[User talk:Gwen Gale|talk]]) 01:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:Blocked by association with editing articles, which may have been vandalized by others in the past... amusing to say the least. Again, I am '''not''' evading block. I did have an account a while ago, which is not blocked, but I won't reveal it in public as this account was intended to be a clean slate; I can email you about it if you want. It could take me less than a minute to change my IP and create a new account, but then again, I am not here for the [[WP:Wikidrama|drama]]. If there is anything you need to know, just ask. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 03:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
::On the other hand, as you people chose to continue the drama and block me out of nowhere, this account already has the stain. I'm officially abandoning it. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 05:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:::One last thing. Tiptoety, I was not a part of ED but you successfully drove me there – I opened an account a couple of days ago. I honestly tried to start on a clean slate and somehow contribute to Wikipedia with a healthy portion of common sense. Unfortunately, I fell victim to bureaucratic masturbation, which is fairly common here. You people have given me the ultimate proof that admins, bureaucrats, checkusers etc. don't know the first thing about properly investigating sockpuppets and block evaders. You fling arbitrary blocks by association, protect wikibullies, bite newcomers, "guard" articles based on communal POVs (yes, yes, don't even try and deny it), refuse to exercise the tiniest bit of common sense in any situation... the list can go on for much longer, I just don't give a fuck anymore. Rest assured I'll have a new username sometime in the near future, I still want to be a good contributor because I really want to make Wikipedia better, as opposed to what the so-called "seasoned editors" do here. It's like a badly run political party in here. You're the same bunch of trolls as ED... the difference is that at least '''they admit it''' while you pretentiously mask yourselves as a "civil community"... my ass. This is why Wikipedia is a joke in the eyes of any serious scholar community. Buh-bye for now. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 21:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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:No, the picture probably can't be used under a fair use claim; we reserve this for ones which ''cannot'' be replaced by a free image for whatever reason. It's pretty clear that this is replaceable. See [[WP:NFCC|this]]. Cheers, [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] ([[User talk:Collard|lol]], [[commons:User:Collard|internet]]) 22:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::How about if I take a reduced quality screenshot, would that count? [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 00:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::No. The issue is replaceability. We don't even (for the most part) allow pictures of people who are already living (like celebrities) under fair use, because a replacement could plausibly be made. I think that's especially so for a dog. Hey, I don't make the rules around here... [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] ([[User talk:Collard|lol]], [[commons:User:Collard|internet]]) 07:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate account ==

So then, who's alternate account are you? The knowledge of wikipedia that you display is not that of a normal user, so, who are you?— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 20:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:LOL WUT
:Let's pretend you never [[WP:NPA|attacked me]] for being too knowledgeable, shall we? TheRedPenOfDoom was repeatedly violating [[WP:FILMPLOT]] by demanding unnecessary citations, so I reverted his edits because the previous version of that sentence was simply wrong, plot wise. As for "alternate accounts" – I have no other active accounts at the present moment. I will grant you the chance to rethink your attitude towards me, review my contribs and ask me in case anything there bothers you. Have I blatantly violated a rule? Have I vandalized an article? Have I disrupted a work in progress by [[WP:POINT|making points]] (such as "[[Meta:Don't be a dick|who are you]] to come to [[WP:OWN|my article]] and start reverting editors, who in your opinion subtract from its overall value?") instead of working towards... say... improving the article? I await your [[WP:CIVIL|civil]] reply. [[Image:Assume good faith lolcat.jpg|250px]] Oh, and for the record – it's "whose." [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 23:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== blocked ==

Yes it's ''whose'' but I've blocked you anyway for personal attacks and block evasion. I'm watching this talk page, so you can speak up for yourself if you like, I'm willing to unblock you if you can sway me into thinking you're here to write encyclopedia articles without trying to hurt other editors. [[User:Gwen Gale|Gwen Gale]] ([[User talk:Gwen Gale|talk]]) 19:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but you must have gotten the wrong person. There is no block evasion here, nor was I trying to hurt anyone. I was attacked by Daedalus969 for "knowing WP rules too well"... and I expressed my honest opinion about his edit history. He assumed bad faith from the get-go, so I replied in a similar manner. Still, if you think I was the aggressive party I will simply ignore any future attack on me. I think if you examine my edit history you can easily see that I'm here to edit articles and not at all interested in this drama. Please reply ASAP. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 22:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Probably a good idea not to respond in kind when people anger you; it tends to escalate things and get in the way of writing an encyclopedia. In this case, why didn't you just say "I've edited for a while as an IP, and still do, but there's no conflict and I've never been blocked"? That's perfectly allowable, and one of the few good answers to "how come you know so much?" --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]][[User talk:Jpgordon|::==( o )]] 23:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're 100% correct. On the other hand, I '''am''' human, so when that editor left such an aggressive comment containing quite an offensive assumption, I simply got upset for such a negative attitude. What you are saying is true, I do edit other articles as an anonymous IP but the answer I gave him was precise – ''"I do not have other active '''accounts''' at the present moment"''. Basically, I have been blocked indefinitely for no just reason, is there a way to get this over with and do the proper adjustments in my block log? Thank you very much in advance. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 23:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Unblock request ==

{{unblock reviewed|1=No one showed me what I did wrong, so I am assuming this is a mistake. A personal attack was conducted against me, I reacted and got blocked for no apparent reason. Can someone please explain WTF is going on here? [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 22:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)|decline=You have been blocked for [[WP:EVADE|block evasion]], of which user we do not know, but your contributions speak for themselves. As for the personal attacks, I believe [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daedalus969&diff=prev&oldid=297951904 this] comment (along with a few others) is what Gwen is referring to, and I agree it was out of line. Lastly you have engaged in edit warring on a number of articles including [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stewie_Griffin:_The_Untold_Story&action=history Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story]. As such, this request is declined. [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 01:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)}}

You're behaving like someone who's both made lots of edits to en.Wikipedia and been blocked before, likewise the long, rambling smear/personal attack you posted (which was way over the top). Having said "I have no other active accounts at the present moment," makes me think one or more of those old accounts might be blocked. Moreover, you've posted to articles and editor talk pages which have lately been linked to vandalism and other worries. Other admins are welcome to review this, but if I'm to unblock you, I need to hear more about what you're doing here. [[User:Gwen Gale|Gwen Gale]] ([[User talk:Gwen Gale|talk]]) 01:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:Blocked by association with editing articles, which may have been vandalized by others in the past... amusing to say the least. Again, I am '''not''' evading block. I did have an account a while ago, which is not blocked, but I won't reveal it in public as this account was intended to be a clean slate; I can email you about it if you want. It could take me less than a minute to change my IP and create a new one, but then again, I am not here for the [[WP:Wikidrama|drama]]. If there is anything you need to know, just ask. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato#top|talk]]) 03:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

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== "Spelling" Article ==

While I appreciate your efforts to keep the pages on Wikipedia clean, the edits I made on the "Spelling" article clearly were constructive. It stated that "Hercules" is a common misspelling of the "correct" "Heracles." This is factually incorrect.

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== Sorry ==

I didn't know I did it I thought I had the right time. I suppose the computer automatically tells you the right date I am new on Wikipedia talk and don't do it very much so I don't know how to do it very well.[[User:Captain Virtue|Captain Virtue]] ([[User talk:Captain Virtue|talk]])

== Edits to Template:SSP2notification ==

Sorry for the accidental edit to page Template:SSP2notification. I wanted to edit my own user talk page and clear an entry without realizing I'd actually deleted the Template. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.215.94.13|65.215.94.13]] ([[User talk:65.215.94.13|talk]]) 17:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC) 
:I believe I may have fixed it.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 18:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

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==Apology==

Sorry for reacting in a bad way.I insure a promise I will not go towards incivility.I tried to get this user to understand fcts concerning recognition as King of France.Again sorry.--[[User:HENRY V OF ENGLAND|HENRY V OF ENGLAND]] ([[User talk:HENRY V OF ENGLAND|talk]]) 03:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Quick Question ==

If I recall correctly, you indicated recently that you intended to take a month long break from Wikipedia due to addiction. Do you still intend to take that break? I do not mean any offense, so please don't take it that way. But, if you are addicted, a self-imposed break could be really useful. Why the change in plans?

[[User:Munging Is My Life|Munging Is My Life]] ([[User talk:Munging Is My Life|talk]]) 15:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Since you registered this account mere moments ago and yet you seem to have quite the knowledges of Daedalus969's history, it bears asking an obvious question, Mr. Munging. Do you have another wikipedia account you've been editing under, and how did you come to take such a personal interest in another specific editor? [[User:Dayewalker|Dayewalker]] ([[User talk:Dayewalker|talk]]) 16:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:I never said anything about a month long wikibreak, dear stalker, what I said was a week long.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 17:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

::You are correct, and I was mistaken. It was, in fact, a user named Tan who indicated that he'd used the tool to take a month long break. You never said anything about a timeframe - as far as I could tell - so I owe you an apology. On a sidenote, this was a small gesture of concern on my part, and I do not appreciate being called a stalker. Best of luck in future endeavors. [[User:Munging Is My Life|Munging Is My Life]] ([[User talk:Munging Is My Life|talk]]) 21:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Then I suppose you would just love to tell me, and Daye, how you found my userpage being a ''new user'', or how you found ANI for that matter, or, even further, just tell us who's sockpuppet you are.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 01:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::::It would appear that you think you must frequently edit Wikipedia in order to have any experience with it. As I explained in the witch hunt thread about my alleged sockpuppetry, I frequently read Wikipedia's ANI thread. I've been doing it for years. I found it a long time ago, and I enjoy reading it. For me, it's hilarious to see some blatant vandals try to wiggle their way out of blocks. Plus, there's always some absurd editors who just make a scene. I read your thread, which was one of the most entertaining I've ever read. Then, as a service to you, I registered a name because I didn't see that you'd taken a break. I understand now that you did take a break, and I already apologized for my mistake. Why do you think that I must be stalking you in order to come across your page? To me, that's a little out there, man. Of course, I don't know much about your history. Perhaps you're a little sensitive on the matter because of some past experience. In either case, I'd be more than happy to end this communication and wish you all the best (as I've already suggested, but you continued to badger me with your previous post). Or, for all I care, you can just block this username. It won't stop me from browsing Wikipedia like I have in the past. Either way is fine, but I hope you realize that I was just trying to lend a helping hand. It's offensive that this has gone this far.
::::Love, Mungy —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Munging Is My Life|Munging Is My Life]] ([[User talk:Munging Is My Life|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Munging Is My Life|contribs]]) 12:02, 18 June 2009 (UTC) 

== [[Eduardo Chirinos]] ==

Did you make any attempt to verify if this poet is or isn't notable? I see that you nominated the article for deletion three minutes after it was created. In those three minutes, did you actually look for references? I do a fair amount of speedy deleting, but I always double check. This could just be a vanity piece, but really cursory checks seem to indicate some notability. If you're not sure, as you indicate in your nomination, ''don't nominate''. Investigate. If perhaps you had spent more than three minutes looking into this, you might have come up with a better deletion rationale. [[User:AniMate|AniMate]][[User talk:AniMate|draw]] 21:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Eduardo_Chirinos&diff=297252849&oldid=297234748 Replied] at the AFD, and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AniMate&diff=297253102&oldid=296777551 your talk page].— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Blatant Films Inc.]] ==

I don't think a G4 speedy deletion is appropriate here, unless I'm missing something this article has never in fact been deleted by an AfD decision. It was redirected and G8-speedied last time after its target was also speedy deleted. I've got no objections if you want to take it to AfD for a proper discussion. ~ [[User:Mazca|'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a''']] [[User_talk:Mazca|'''t''']]/[[Special:Contributions/Mazca|'''c''']] 22:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Hey Daed, I wanted to stop by and say thank you. I know you don't spend a bunch of time at RfA things, and I really appreciate you chipping in a support vote for me! I'll be honest, you know a LOT more about the SPI side of things than I do, so I might be asking for some help and advice from time to time on that end. I only edited that once or twice (SPI), and I remember shortly after I filed a report - I ran across a sign while I was traveling. I took a picture, and uploaded it to commons a while back - I thought you might get a good smile out of it. The link is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Missing-sock.jpg here]. Kinda silly humor, but I thought you might enjoy it. Thank you again for your faith and trust in me, ... I'll do my best to never let you down. — [[User:Ched Davis|Ched]] : [[User_talk:Ched Davis| ? ]] 06:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ched_Davis&diff=297573788&oldid=297573101 Replied] on your talk page.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 17:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::The picture came shortly after I filed my first or second SPI report. I was talking with User:Baseball Bugs, and a ''very'' obvious sock showed up to harass him. The sign was outside a laundry mat in front of a parking space for people that just wanted to stop in to see if they left any socks in the washers or dryers. — [[User:Ched Davis|Ched]] : [[User_talk:Ched Davis| ? ]] 18:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ched_Davis&diff=297581783&oldid=297576197 Replied] on your talk page.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 18:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Rapcore ==

The latest revision cites five sources in the lead unanimously labeling [[rapcore]] as a fusion of hip hop and hardcore punk. ([[User:Ibaranoff24|Ibaranoff24]] ([[User talk:Ibaranoff24|talk]]) 13:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC))
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ibaranoff24&curid=21180876&diff=297780771&oldid=297739883 Replied] on your talk page.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 19:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== Request for another opinion ==

Over at the article [[Biohazard (band)]], an editor has been repeatedly reverting/changing the genres in the Infobox. Per [[Template:Infobox musical artist#Genre]], subgenres should not be listed, but this editor strongly feels that [[hardcore punk]] should be included in favor of [[punk rock]]. In his edits, he has also removed '[[rap rock]]' (which is sourced) and the link to [[hip hop music]], resulting in the link piping to the redirect [[hip hop]]. (An example of a diff appears [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biohazard_(band)&diff=297748057&oldid=297741166 here].) I wish to avoid an edit war, so I am asking you what I should do here. ([[User:Ibaranoff24|Ibaranoff24]] ([[User talk:Ibaranoff24|talk]]) 20:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC))
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ibaranoff24&diff=297799359&oldid=297790345 Replied] on your talk page.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 21:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*Please don't refer to anything as "my POV". [[Hardcore punk]], which was previously listed, has been applied multiple times to Biohazard (examples can be seen [http://books.google.com/bkshp?hl=en&tab=wp&q=biohazard%20hardcore%20punk here]). The issue occurred in that the reviewing editor believes that hardcore punk transcends the rule at [[Template:Infobox musical artist#Genre]] that subgenres should not be listed, but rather that a generalization should be included instead. ([[User:Ibaranoff24|Ibaranoff24]] ([[User talk:Ibaranoff24|talk]]) 21:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC))

==Sock accusation==

Just to let you know, per [[WP:SOCK/S]], I am removing the notice you recently placed on my userpage. If you wish to repeat the allegation, please follow the procedure set out at [[WP:SOCK/A]]. Thanks. --[[User:FormerIP|FormerIP]] ([[User talk:FormerIP|talk]]) 01:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== I know who I am, but who are you? ==

Funny you should tell me that I "came out of nowhere and started reverting everyone." I've checked your last 1,000 edits and not even one appears to be a constructive addition. Your edit history is pretty much a collection of reversions (sometimes just because the editor is blocked, in spite of the fact that some of those edits are valid and important for developing WP articles), filing SPI reports, "teaching" users about sticking to rules (as misinterpreted by yourself as they may be), talking down to less experienced users (and not being shy about threatening to seek admin help, even though this was your first message to the user, with whom you never even had the chance to engage in proper discussion) and maybe other actions that may have eluded my attention. As far as I can tell, you're here for the drama; I don't even think you really care about article quality. I've asked for a civil reply, but you preferred to keep trying to frame me behind my back for no wrongdoing whatsoever. If you want to engage in conversation, don't hesitate to do so. Have a glorious day. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 17:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

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A '''sidekick''' is a [[stock character]], a close companion who assists a partner in a superior position. [[Don Quixote]]'s [[Sancho Panza]], [[Sherlock Holmes]]' [[Doctor Watson]], and [[Batman]]'s companion [[Robin (comics)|Robin]] are some well-known sidekicks in [[fiction]].

==Origins==

The origin of the term comes from [[pickpocket]] slang of the late 19th and early 20th century. The "kick" is the front side pocket of a pair of trousers, and was found to be the pocket safest from theft. Thus the "side-kick" became an inseparable companion. As well the companion also helps the main character whenever they need it.<ref>http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_297a.html</ref> <ref>http://www.word-detective.com/122099.html</ref> <ref>http://www.brownielocks.com/wordorigins.html</ref> A humorous folk origin for the term refers to their accomplishments being 'kicked to the side' or otherwise ignored in favor of the more charismatic lead hero.

==Use in fiction==
[[Image:BatmanRobin.jpg|thumb|[[Batman]] with his sidekick [[Robin (comics)|Robin]]. Painting by [[Alex Ross]].]]
In [[fiction]], the term ''sidekick'' most commonly refers to assistants to heroes, usually in a crime-fighting capacity. The sidekick has the literary function of playing against the hero, often contrasting in skill, or performing functions not suited to the hero. By asking questions of the hero, or giving the hero someone to talk to, the sidekick provides an opportunity for the author to provide exposition.{{Fact|date=June 2007}}

==Function of the sidekick==

Those functions may include [[comic relief]]. The comedy relief sidekick was a common feature in [[Western movie|western]]s, where [[Fuzzy Knight]], [[Al St. John|Al "Fuzzy" St. John]], [[Smiley Burnette]] and [[Andy Devine]] had longer careers than some of the heroic singing cowboys for whom they took pratfalls. In [[science fiction]] a subtype of sidekick has been established—namely, the [[alien sidekick]].

It may also be argued that the comedy sidekick's apparent stupidity makes a non-intellectual hero look intelligent. An openly flamboyant effeminate sidekick may make a non imposing hero look more masculine. A strong, silent and modest hero may have his fighting qualities revealed to the other characters and the audience by a talkative sidekick.

Hero sidekicks not only provide comic relief but can occasionally be brave or resourceful at times and rescue the hero from some dire fate: such as [[Streaky the Supercat]] of ''[[Krypto the Superdog]]'', [[Festus Haggen]] of ''[[Gunsmoke]]'''s [[Marshal Matt Dillon|Matt Dillon]] (not to be confused with [[Matt Dillon|the actor]]) or [[Gabrielle (Xena)|Gabrielle]] of ''[[Xena: Warrior Princess]]''.

Sidekicks also frequently serve as an emotional connection, especially when the hero is depicted as detached and distant, traits which would normally generate difficulty in making the hero likable. The sidekick is often the confidant who knows the main character better than anyone else and gives a convincing reason to like the hero. Although [[Sherlock Holmes]] was admittedly a difficult man to know, his friendship with [[Dr. Watson]] convinces the reader that Holmes is a good person. The [[Left_Hand_(Vampire_Hunter_D)|Left Hand]] of [[Vampire Hunter D]], being mentally linked to the reticent protagonist often reveals thoughts, feelings, physical condition of his host and sometimes background elements of the story.

While many sidekicks are used for comic relief, there are other sidekicks who are less outrageous than the heroes they pledge themselves to, and comedy derived from the hero can often be amplified by the presence or reaction of the sidekick. Examples include [[Porky Pig]], who was more sensible and calmer than [[Daffy Duck]] in later short films; Sancho Panza is more rational than his master, [[Don Quixote]].

While it is usually the reverse, it is not unheard of for a sidekick to be physically more conventionally attractive, charismatic, or physically capable than the character who is intended to be the hero. This is most typically encountered when the hero's appeal is supposed to be intellect instead of sex appeal or physical prowess. Such heroes are often middle aged or older and tend towards eccentricity; fictional sleuths and scientists for example. This type of sidekick is rarely encountered in fiction because the hero runs the risk of being upstaged by them. However, examples of successful such pairings include [[Inspector Morse]] and his sidekick DS [[Robbie Lewis]], [[Nero Wolfe]] and his sidekick [[Archie Goodwin (fictional detective)|Archie Goodwin]] or [[Hiro Nakamura]] and his sidekick [[Ando Masahashi]].

It is also possible in certain cases for sidekicks to grow out of their role of being a second fiddle to the hero and become independent heroes in their own right. [[Dick Grayson]] is one such example, having outgrown the mantle of Robin when he was under [[Batman]] and taken up the new identity of [[Nightwing]]. Another example is the popular comic-strip soldier of fortune Captain Easy, who started as the two-fisted sidekick of the scrawny little eponymous hero of the strip [[Wash Tubbs]].

Conversations with the sidekick reveal plot narrative devices to the audience in the form of conversation, thus the sidekick can have the same role as a [[Greek chorus]].

A [[Cartoon Network]] mini story had a sidekicks bar which had various cartoon sidekicks-such as Robin the Boy Wonder-discuss how important a sidekick is to the story-giving an example of how Porky Pig career actually became better as a sidekick; the only negative comment is by the ego driven chicken of [[Cow and Chicken]] who claims to be a co-star instead of a sidekick!

==Comparisons==

A [[villain]]'s supporters are normally called [[Henchman|henchmen]], minions, or lackeys, not sidekicks. While this is partially a convention in terminology, it also reflects that few villains are capable of bonds of friendship and loyalty, which are normal in the relationship between a hero and sidekick. Nevertheless, some villains (who might arguably be considered incapable of the aforementioned qualities) have sidekicks including the [[Joker]]'s [[Harley Quinn]], Ben Wade's Charlie Prince (from 3:10 to Yuma), [[Wario]]'s [[Waluigi]], and [[Magneto]]'s [[Mystique]] (only in the [[X-Men]] live action films).

However, it may also be due to the different roles in fiction of the protagonists and the antagonists: whereas a sidekick is a relatively important character due to their proximity to the protagonist, and so will likely be a developed character, the role of most henchmen is to act as [[cannon-fodder]] for the hero and his sidekick. As a result they tend to be anonymous, disposable characters, existing in the fiction for the sole purpose of illustrating the protagonists' prowess as they defeat them.

==In television==
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Many TV shows make use of a sidekick as a co-host who anchors an entertainment show together with the main star. [[Ed McMahon]] played this role famously to [[Johnny Carson]] on ''The Tonight Show''.

TV sidekicks usually play a supporting (not equal) but pivotal role to the star. Examples include Ethel Mertz to Lucy Ricardo (''[[I Love Lucy]]''), Ed Norton to Ralph Kramden (''[[The Honeymooners]]''), Major Roger Healey to Major Anthony "Tony" Nelson (''[[I Dream of Jeannie]]''), or even a group of people such as the [[Sweathogs]] to Mr. Kotter (''[[Welcome Back Kotter]]''). Duos of equal importance on TV such as Kate and Allie (''[[Kate & Allie]]''), Oscar and Felix (''[[The Odd Couple (TV series)|The Odd Couple]]''), or Laverne and Shirley (''[[Laverne & Shirley]]''), are sometimes both called sidekicks to each other, although the truest sense of the term denotes inequality.

[[Clarence Gilyard]] informed viewers on a television commercial for ''[[Walker Texas Ranger]]'' that he was not [[Chuck Norris]]'s sidekick, but would say "THIS is Chuck Norris's sidekick" over film of Norris kicking a villain.

In animation, good examples are Pinky being Brain's sidekick on ''[[Pinky and the Brain]]'', [[List of students at South Park Elementary#Dougie|General Disarray]] being [[Butters Stotch#History|Professor Chaos]]' sidekick on ''[[South Park]]'', and Captain Girl being [[Captain Hero]]'s imaginary sidekick (replaced by [[Wooldoor Sockbat]] after her "death") on ''[[Drawn Together]]''.

==See also==
*[[Foil (literature)]]

== References ==
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==External links==
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| director = [[Pete Michels]]
| producer = [[Kara Vallow]]
| writer = [[Gary Janetti]] [[Chris Sheridan (screenwriter)|Chris Sheridan]] [[Alex Borstein]] [[Steve Callaghan]]
| narrator =
| starring = [[Seth MacFarlane]] [[Alex Borstein]] [[Seth Green]] [[Mila Kunis]]
| music = [[Ron Jones (composer)|Ron Jones]]
| cinematography =
| editing = Mike Elias
| distributor = [[20th Century Fox]]
| released = September 27, 2005
| runtime = 88 minutes
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| language = English
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| Title = Stewie B. Goode/Bango Was His Name, Oh!/Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure
| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
| Writer = [[Gary Janetti]] and [[Chris Sheridan]] (1) [[Alex Borstein]] (2) [[Steve Callaghan]] (3)
| Director = Pete Michels
| Airdate = May 21, 2006
| Production = 4ACX05 4ACX06 4ACX07
| Episode list = [[List of Family Guy episodes]]
| Season list = {{Infobox Family Guy Season 4}}
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'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives. The prologue ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen trailers for fictional movies are run followed by a faux private message from a production member,{{fact}} then it cuts to the [[20th Century Fox]] logo.

==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[erect penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire bottle of caffeine pills (being supposed to eat only one pill). After wandering through the desert, Stewie and Brian manage to get a [[rental car]]; they arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
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The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As foretold in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
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==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story

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| starring = [[Seth MacFarlane]] [[Alex Borstein]] [[Seth Green]] [[Mila Kunis]]
| music = [[Ron Jones (composer)|Ron Jones]]
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{{Infobox Television episode
| Title = Stewie B. Goode/Bango Was His Name, Oh!/Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure
| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
| Writer = [[Gary Janetti]] and [[Chris Sheridan]] (1) [[Alex Borstein]] (2) [[Steve Callaghan]] (3)
| Director = Pete Michels
| Airdate = May 21, 2006
| Production = 4ACX05 4ACX06 4ACX07
| Episode list = [[List of Family Guy episodes]]
| Season list = {{Infobox Family Guy Season 4}}
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'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives. The prologue ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen trailers for fictional movies are run followed by a faux private message from a production member,{{fact}} then it cuts to the [[20th Century Fox]] logo.

==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[erect penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire bottle of caffeine pills (being supposed to eat only one pill). After wandering in through the desert, Stewie and Brian manage to get a [[rental car]]; they arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
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The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As foretold in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
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==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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== This Is It (Michael Jackson) ==

There appears to be some issues with my edits on this page because of "a lack of creditability." I am not trying to engage an edit war at all on this page. I am merely adding information to this - but this individual is reverting my edits - finally calling it unreliable although I dispute otherwise. As a result to that, I have removed all the band members because none of this information is properly cited and sourced. Can you help provide feedback on this matter? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.30.123.108|75.30.123.108]] ([[User talk:75.30.123.108|talk]]) 05:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC) 

:The best thing for you to do would be to start a discussion on the articles [[Talk:This Is It (Michael Jackson concerts)|talk page]]. Also take a look at some of [[WP:DISPUTE|these dispute resolution techniques]]. Cheers, [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 06:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks :) ==

I had been dreading the imminent expiration of the original three months, so was pleasantly surprised to find this: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mwalla&curid=21095098&diff=296472338&oldid=277240333].[[User:TVC 15|TVC 15]] ([[User talk:TVC 15|talk]]) 06:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

:You are welcome. [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 06:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[John Galt]] ==

Disregard this. I thought it was vandalism, but it is not. Thanks. [[User:Ollie Garkey|Ollie Garkey]] ([[User talk:Ollie Garkey|talk]]) 21:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Problem ==

Ever since I was blocked the tool bar on edit pages no longer works. Would you know why this is so?--[[User:Wrestlinglover|'''Will''']][[User talk:Wrestlinglover|'''C''']] 01:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

:Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, but is this still an issue? [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 22:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[User:Dodona|dodona]] ==

i believe that you may justly reconsider my ban because i am very bed and arrogantly treated by [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Future Perfect at Sunrise]] and other users that have clan to protect and impose certain outlook of Greek and Albanian related subjects therefore forcing me to play socket puppet to express my views. After all I am banned for years now without any major reason because I never committed any form of vandalism… Thank you [[User:dodona|dodona]]

== WOW ... ==

I doubt that I could have even dreamed of a more influential support. It took me ''minutes'' to close my gaping mouth. Thank you Tiptoety, I promise to do my very best to ''never'' let you and the community down. The faith and trust humbles me, and I greatly appreciate your support. — [[User:Ched Davis|Ched]] : [[User_talk:Ched Davis| ? ]] 04:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

:Ched, how kind. ;-) Anyways, you are welcome for the support. Now go do great things! :-) [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 22:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Kite Man Says beware of powerlines ==

Hello to those who participate in [[WP:ORE|WikiProject Oregon]]. Once again it is time for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Collaboration|Collaboration Of The Week]]. A thank you to everyone who participated in the Dab Patrol and improvements to Maurice Lucas. For this week we have Oregon company '''[[FLIR Systems]]''', and a maintenance type project with the '''[[:Category:FA-Class Oregon articles|FA Update Drive]]'''. For the later, pick any Oregon FA class article and read through it to make sure it is still up-to-date. Again, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Collaboration#Opting out|click here to opt out of these messages]], or [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Collaboration#Future collaborations|click here]] to make a suggestion for a future COTW. [[PacifiCorp|I like frogs.]] [[User:Aboutmovies|Aboutmovies]] ([[User talk:Aboutmovies|talk]]) 06:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Wage slavery ==

This person has returned, 99.2.224.110 and is editing nearly exactly the same way as before with little to no positive communication,... example [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wage_slavery#Problems_perceived_w.2Fthe_phrase_.22working_for_a_boss.22] and lots incivility and accusatory statements. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A99.2.224.110] - Is it possible to topic ban this person?... for incessant conflict on this article [[Wage slavery]]? [[User:Skipsievert|skip sievert]] ([[User talk:Skipsievert|talk]]) 14:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

:Maybe you could provide a few other diffs? But right now it looks as if they have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wage_slavery#OK.2C_my_bad laid the issue to rest]. [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 23:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== 200.158.243.90 ==

I think this might be a sockpuppet of [[User:Pé de Chinelo]]. The IP is making the exact same edits as the user (claiming Super Smash Bros. Brawl is a fighting action game and not a real fighting game) and just blanked the sockpuppet message on the users page. '''[[User:TJ Spyke|TJ]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|Spyke]]''' 22:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

:As it does not appear to be a static IP I have only {{AN3|b|72 hours}} Cheers, [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 23:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== I would like your opinion on the following user: ==

* {{userlinks|InQuahogNeato}}

The user doesn't appear to be a new user to me, with finding certain pages that only a seasoned editor would find, such as [[MediaWiki talk]], and then asking about the Blacklist of Encyclopedia dramatica, and then starting an edit war soon after.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 19:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

:[[WP:DUCK|Very obvious]] that they are a sock, of whom I am not sure. Most likely someone from ED. The first thing I would do would be to confront them about your suspicion and see what they have to say. If that does not produce anything constructive than opening an SPI case would be the next logical course of action. Let me know if you need anymore help, [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 20:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:InQuahogNeato&diff=297817010&oldid=297802622 Read his reply]. I don't buy it.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 23:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:The problem with opening an SPI, is that I don't know who to file it under.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 00:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Right, I am aware. Give me a bit and I will get back to you. [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 02:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It's comforting to know that you guys have nothing better to do than dig for dirt. As I have stated, find anything non-constructive in my edits and let me know please. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 06:25, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== WP:EW ==

"assist in resolving a dispute"? It seems very clinical, I prefer the easily intuitive "cooling down". But if you think it's an issue and/or previous consensus doesn't like the phrase, fine, change it. Thanks for grasping the nettle and doing the merge BTW. What do you think of the Section Nutshell template? I'm kind of trying it out. [[User:Disembrangler|Disembrangler]] ([[User talk:Disembrangler|talk]]) 20:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, it is a bit clinical. That said, "cooling down" has never been well received, so I will change it. As for the Section Nutshell tag, I am on the wall about it. I was looking at it earlier and was not sure if it was a distraction or helped those who do not want to take the time to read the section. I say leave it up and see if it gets any comments. Cheers, [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 02:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== The Rusty Trombone ==

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I'm certain that the ''new user'' below the IP is that of my IP stalker, who's location geolocates to New York. This IP user was informally banned for stalking/off-wiki harassment of myself, the link to the discussion which you can find at [[User:Daedalus969/207.237.33.36]]. The page is now deleted, but I'm sure you can view it.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|Dæ]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]] [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|Contribs]]''' 23:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

:I see from the deleted user subpage that there are a list of administrators who helped resolve this issue before. Seeing as they are more familiar with the specifics, I think it would be best that you contacted one of them. Cheers, [[User:Tiptoety|Tiptoety]] [[User talk:Tiptoety|talk]] 02:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/mia/1143295553.html --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 03:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Art Metrano

2009-06-22T00:51:00Z

InQuahogNeato: As already stated, he is BEST known as Mauser

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'''Arthur "Art" Metrano''' (born [[September 22]], [[1936]]) is an [[United States|American]] [[actor]] and [[comedian]] of Greek-Jewish-Italian ancestry. He was born in [[Brooklyn, New York|Brooklyn]], [[New York City|New York]]. Metrano may be best known for his role as Capt. Mauser in ''[[Police Academy 2: Their First Assignment|Police Academy 2]]'' and ''[[Police Academy 3: Back in Training|Police Academy 3]]''. He left the series due to a serious fall at home that seriously injured his [[spinal cord]] and left him disabled.

Among Metrano's TV guest appearances was a [[1968]] episode of ''Ironside''. However, he is more known for his frequent appearances on ''[[The Tonight Show]]'' in the early 1970s as a "magician" performing absurd tricks (such as making his fingers "jump" from one hand to another) while constantly humming an inane theme song (named "[[Fine and Dandy (song)|Fine and Dandy]]", an early 1930s composition by [[Kay Swift]]). This bit was parodied in an episode of the cartoon show ''[[Family Guy]]'' entitled ''[[Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story]]''. In December 2007, Metrano filed a lawsuit accusing the show of copyright infringement, and claiming damages in excess of two million US dollars.<ref>{{cite web|accessdate=2008-06-12|url=http://www.tmz.com/2007/12/06/magician-claims-family-guy-stole-his-act/|title=Magician Claims "Family Guy" Stole His Act}}</ref>

Currently, he tours with his one-man show, "Jews Don't Belong On Ladders...An Accidental Comedy", which has raised more than $175,000 for Project Support for Spinal Cord Injury to help buy crutches, wheelchairs, and supplies.

==Notes==
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==References==
* Pfefferman, Naomi. [http://web.archive.org/web/20060516130638/http://www.jewishjournal.com/old/localplays.4.7.0.htm "Shining Solo Turns"], ''[[The Jewish Journal]]'', 7 April 2000 (at archive.org)

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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trivia sections

2009-06-21T17:08:53Z

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{{style-guideline|WP:TRIV|WP:TRIVIA}}
{{nutshell|Sections with lists of miscellaneous information (such as "trivia" sections) should be avoided as an article develops. Such information is better presented in an organized way.}}
{{style}}
{{dablink|"WP:TRIVIA" and "WP:TRIV" redirect here. You may be looking for the essay [[Wikipedia:Handling trivia]], to which WP:TRIVIA formerly pointed.}}

'''Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous information.''' A number of articles contain lists of isolated information, which are often grouped into their own section, labeled "Trivia", "Notes" (not to be confused with "Notes" sections which store [[Wikipedia:Footnotes|footnotes]]), "Facts", "Miscellanea", "Other information", etc. '''Attention:''' this [[WP:Manual of Style|style guideline]] deals with the way in which these facts are represented in an article, not with whether the information contained within them is actually trivia, or whether trivia belongs in Wikipedia.

Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined. Lists of miscellaneous information can be useful for developing a new article, as they represent an easy way for novice contributors to add information without having to keep in mind article organization or presentation; they can just add a new fact to the list. As articles grow, however, these lists may become increasingly disorganized and difficult to read. A better way to [[Wikipedia:Article development|organize an article]] is to provide a logical grouping and ordering of facts that gives an integrated presentation, providing context and smooth transitions, whether in text, list, or table.

==Guidance==
:''See also [[Wikipedia:Handling trivia#Practical steps]] ''
Trivia sections should not simply be removed from articles in all cases. It may be possible to integrate some items into the article text. Some facts may belong in existing sections, while others may warrant a new section. Integrate trivia items into the body of the article if appropriate. Otherwise, see if there are [[WP:RS|sources]] for the effect of the topic on popular culture and consider using the items as a basis for an article that discusses that effect. Items that duplicate material already contained elsewhere in the article, cannot be supported by reliable sources, or are not of significant importance to the subject matter can be removed in most cases.

It may be necessary to perform research to give each fact some context or to add [[WP:CITE|references]]. Some entries may be [[WP:No original research|speculative]] or factually incorrect, and should be removed; some may fall outside the scope of the article and should be moved to other articles; and others, such as [[WP:NOT#GUIDE|"how-to" material]] or tangential/irrelevant facts, may fall outside [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia's scope]] and should be removed altogether.

==What this guideline is not==
There are a number of pervasive misunderstandings about this guideline and the course of action it suggests:

* This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page. If information is otherwise suitable, it is better that it be poorly presented than not presented at all.
* This guideline does not suggest always avoiding lists in favor of prose. Some information is better presented in list format.
* This guideline does not suggest the inclusion or exclusion of any information; it only gives style recommendations. Issues of inclusion are addressed by [[Wikipedia:List of policies#Content and style|content policies]].

===Not all list sections are trivia sections===
{{main|Wikipedia:Embedded list}}

In this guideline, the term "trivia section" refers to a section's ''content'', not its name. A trivia section is one that contains a ''disorganized'' and ''"unselective"'' list. However, a ''selectively'' populated list with a relatively narrow theme is not necessarily trivia, and can be the best way to present some types of information.

==Other policies apply==
Due to the nature of trivia section content in other publications (such as [[IMDb]]), it may be important to note that even when trivia sections are present in Wikipedia articles, their content must still be maintained in accordance with Wikipedia's other policies. Wikipedia article sections, including trivia sections, must not contain speculation, rumor, invented "facts", or [[libel]]. An item's degree of potential public interest will not excuse it from being subject to rules like [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiability]], [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point-of-view]], or [[Wikipedia:No original research|no original research]] (among [[WP:POLICY|others]]). Also remember that it is always best practice to [[Wikipedia:cite your sources|cite sources]] when adding new facts to any section, which includes trivia sections.

==Example==
Here is an example of the type of "list of miscellaneous facts" that should be avoided in Wikipedia articles. The facts themselves are not the issue here: the problem is with their organization.

<blockquote>
; Facts about Monroe
* Before college, Monroe was a classmate of future U. S. Supreme Court justice [[John Marshall]].
* During the [[Revolutionary War]], Monroe dropped out of college and never returned to earn a degree.
* [[Monrovia]] is named after Monroe; it is the only foreign city named after a US President.
* A famous quote of Monroe's: "The best form of government is that which is most likely to prevent the greatest sum of evil."
* Monroe, as president, saw five states admitted to the union.
</blockquote>

See [[James Monroe]] for how these facts can be better organized, without a trivia section.

==See also==
* [[Wikipedia:Handling trivia]]
* [[Wikipedia:"In popular culture" articles]]
* [[Wikipedia:Relevance of content]]
* [[Wikipedia:Listcruft]]
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Trivia Cleanup]]
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Popular Culture]]
* [[Template:Trivia]]
* [[Template:In popular culture]]
* [[:Category:Articles with trivia sections]]

[[Category:Wikipedia style guidelines|Trivia sections]]

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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trivia sections

2009-06-21T17:00:20Z

InQuahogNeato: It seems like WP editors "omit" this sentence when reading the policy, thus creating edit-war hell in many articles. Accentuating what might as well be "this page in a nutshell."

{{style-guideline|WP:TRIV|WP:TRIVIA}}
{{nutshell|Sections with lists of miscellaneous information (such as "trivia" sections) should be avoided as an article develops. Such information is better presented in an organized way.}}
{{style}}
{{dablink|"WP:TRIVIA" and "WP:TRIV" redirect here. You may be looking for the essay [[Wikipedia:Handling trivia]], to which WP:TRIVIA formerly pointed.}}

'''Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous information.''' A number of articles contain lists of isolated information, which are often grouped into their own section, labeled "Trivia", "Notes" (not to be confused with "Notes" sections which store [[Wikipedia:Footnotes|footnotes]]), "Facts", "Miscellanea", "Other information", etc. '''Attention: this [[WP:Manual of Style|style guideline]] deals with the way in which these facts are represented in an article, not with whether the information contained within them is actually trivia, or whether trivia belongs in Wikipedia.'''

Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined. Lists of miscellaneous information can be useful for developing a new article, as they represent an easy way for novice contributors to add information without having to keep in mind article organization or presentation; they can just add a new fact to the list. As articles grow, however, these lists may become increasingly disorganized and difficult to read. A better way to [[Wikipedia:Article development|organize an article]] is to provide a logical grouping and ordering of facts that gives an integrated presentation, providing context and smooth transitions, whether in text, list, or table.

==Guidance==
:''See also [[Wikipedia:Handling trivia#Practical steps]] ''
Trivia sections should not simply be removed from articles in all cases. It may be possible to integrate some items into the article text. Some facts may belong in existing sections, while others may warrant a new section. Integrate trivia items into the body of the article if appropriate. Otherwise, see if there are [[WP:RS|sources]] for the effect of the topic on popular culture and consider using the items as a basis for an article that discusses that effect. Items that duplicate material already contained elsewhere in the article, cannot be supported by reliable sources, or are not of significant importance to the subject matter can be removed in most cases.

It may be necessary to perform research to give each fact some context or to add [[WP:CITE|references]]. Some entries may be [[WP:No original research|speculative]] or factually incorrect, and should be removed; some may fall outside the scope of the article and should be moved to other articles; and others, such as [[WP:NOT#GUIDE|"how-to" material]] or tangential/irrelevant facts, may fall outside [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia's scope]] and should be removed altogether.

==What this guideline is not==
There are a number of pervasive misunderstandings about this guideline and the course of action it suggests:

* This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page. If information is otherwise suitable, it is better that it be poorly presented than not presented at all.
* This guideline does not suggest always avoiding lists in favor of prose. Some information is better presented in list format.
* This guideline does not suggest the inclusion or exclusion of any information; it only gives style recommendations. Issues of inclusion are addressed by [[Wikipedia:List of policies#Content and style|content policies]].

===Not all list sections are trivia sections===
{{main|Wikipedia:Embedded list}}

In this guideline, the term "trivia section" refers to a section's ''content'', not its name. A trivia section is one that contains a ''disorganized'' and ''"unselective"'' list. However, a ''selectively'' populated list with a relatively narrow theme is not necessarily trivia, and can be the best way to present some types of information.

==Other policies apply==
Due to the nature of trivia section content in other publications (such as [[IMDb]]), it may be important to note that even when trivia sections are present in Wikipedia articles, their content must still be maintained in accordance with Wikipedia's other policies. Wikipedia article sections, including trivia sections, must not contain speculation, rumor, invented "facts", or [[libel]]. An item's degree of potential public interest will not excuse it from being subject to rules like [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiability]], [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point-of-view]], or [[Wikipedia:No original research|no original research]] (among [[WP:POLICY|others]]). Also remember that it is always best practice to [[Wikipedia:cite your sources|cite sources]] when adding new facts to any section, which includes trivia sections.

==Example==
Here is an example of the type of "list of miscellaneous facts" that should be avoided in Wikipedia articles. The facts themselves are not the issue here: the problem is with their organization.

<blockquote>
; Facts about Monroe
* Before college, Monroe was a classmate of future U. S. Supreme Court justice [[John Marshall]].
* During the [[Revolutionary War]], Monroe dropped out of college and never returned to earn a degree.
* [[Monrovia]] is named after Monroe; it is the only foreign city named after a US President.
* A famous quote of Monroe's: "The best form of government is that which is most likely to prevent the greatest sum of evil."
* Monroe, as president, saw five states admitted to the union.
</blockquote>

See [[James Monroe]] for how these facts can be better organized, without a trivia section.

==See also==
* [[Wikipedia:Handling trivia]]
* [[Wikipedia:"In popular culture" articles]]
* [[Wikipedia:Relevance of content]]
* [[Wikipedia:Listcruft]]
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Trivia Cleanup]]
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Popular Culture]]
* [[Template:Trivia]]
* [[Template:In popular culture]]
* [[:Category:Articles with trivia sections]]

[[Category:Wikipedia style guidelines|Trivia sections]]

[[es:Wikipedia:Secciones de curiosidades]]
[[fr:Wikipédia:Sections anecdotiques]]
[[it:Wikipedia:Svuota la sezione curiosità]]
[[he:ויקיפדיה:הימנעו מפסקאות טריוויה]]
[[lt:Vikipedija:Įvairenybės]]
[[ms:Wikipedia:Bahagian trivia]]
[[ja:Wikipedia:雑多な内容を箇条書きした節を避ける]]
[[pt:Wikipedia:Seções de curiosidades]]
[[ru:Википедия:Раздел «интересные факты»]]
[[fi:Ohje:Artikkelin rakenne#Triviaosiot]]
[[sv:Wikipedia:Kuriosa]]
[[zh:Wikipedia:瑣碎章節]]

Wooldoor Sockbat

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Sidekick

2009-06-21T16:30:40Z

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[[Image:Quixo-panza.jpg|frame|right|[[Don Quixote]] and [[Sancho Panza]] unsuccessfully confront [[windmill]]s. By [[Gustave Doré]]]]
A '''sidekick''' is a [[stock character]], a close companion who assists a partner in a superior position. [[Don Quixote]]'s [[Sancho Panza]], [[Sherlock Holmes]]' [[Doctor Watson]], and [[Batman]]'s companion [[Robin (comics)|Robin]] are some well-known sidekicks in [[fiction]].

==Origins==

The origin of the term comes from [[pickpocket]] slang of the late 19th and early 20th century. The "kick" is the front side pocket of a pair of trousers, and was found to be the pocket safest from theft. Thus the "side-kick" became an inseparable companion. As well the companion also helps the main character whenever they need it.<ref>http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_297a.html</ref> <ref>http://www.word-detective.com/122099.html</ref> <ref>http://www.brownielocks.com/wordorigins.html</ref> A humorous folk origin for the term refers to their accomplishments being 'kicked to the side' or otherwise ignored in favor of the more charismatic lead hero.

==Use in fiction==
[[Image:BatmanRobin.jpg|thumb|[[Batman]] with his sidekick [[Robin (comics)|Robin]]. Painting by [[Alex Ross]].]]
In [[fiction]], the term ''sidekick'' most commonly refers to assistants to heroes, usually in a crime-fighting capacity. The sidekick has the literary function of playing against the hero, often contrasting in skill, or performing functions not suited to the hero. By asking questions of the hero, or giving the hero someone to talk to, the sidekick provides an opportunity for the author to provide exposition.{{Fact|date=June 2007}}

==Function of the sidekick==

Those functions may include [[comic relief]]. The comedy relief sidekick was a common feature in [[Western movie|western]]s, where [[Fuzzy Knight]], [[Al St. John|Al "Fuzzy" St. John]], [[Smiley Burnette]] and [[Andy Devine]] had longer careers than some of the heroic singing cowboys for whom they took pratfalls. In [[science fiction]] a subtype of sidekick has been established—namely, the [[alien sidekick]].

It may also be argued that the comedy sidekick's apparent stupidity makes a non-intellectual hero look intelligent. An openly flamboyant effeminate sidekick may make a non imposing hero look more masculine. A strong, silent and modest hero may have his fighting qualities revealed to the other characters and the audience by a talkative sidekick.

Hero sidekicks not only provide comic relief but can occasionally be brave or resourceful at times and rescue the hero from some dire fate: such as [[Streaky the Supercat]] of ''[[Krypto the Superdog]]'' or [[Festus Haggen]] of ''[[Gunsmoke]]'''s
[[Marshal Matt Dillon|Matt Dillon]].

Sidekicks also frequently serve as an emotional connection, especially when the hero is depicted as detached and distant, traits which would normally generate difficulty in making the hero likable. The sidekick is often the confidant who knows the main character better than anyone else and gives a convincing reason to like the hero. Although Sherlock Holmes was admittedly a difficult man to know, the friendship of Dr. Watson convinces the reader that Holmes is a good person. The [[Left_Hand_(Vampire_Hunter_D)|Left Hand]] of [[Vampire Hunter D]], being mentally linked to the reticent protagonist often reveals thoughts, feelings, physical condition of his host and sometimes background elements of the story.

While many sidekicks are used for comic relief, there are other sidekicks who are less outrageous than the heroes they pledge themselves to, and comedy derived from the hero can often be amplified by the presence or reaction of the sidekick. Examples include [[Porky Pig]], who was more sensible and calmer than [[Daffy Duck]] in later short films; Sancho Panza is more rational than his master, [[Don Quixote]].

While it is usually the reverse, it is not unheard of for a sidekick to be physically more conventionally attractive, charismatic, or physically capable than the character who is intended to be the hero. This is most typically encountered when the hero's appeal is supposed to be intellect instead of sex appeal or physical prowess. Such heroes are often middle aged or older and tend towards eccentricity; fictional sleuths and scientists for example. This type of sidekick is rarely encountered in fiction because the hero runs the risk of being upstaged by them. However, examples of successful such pairings include [[Inspector Morse]] and his sidekick DS [[Robbie Lewis]], [[Nero Wolfe]] and his sidekick [[Archie Goodwin (fictional detective)|Archie Goodwin]] or [[Hiro Nakamura]] and his sidekick [[Ando Masahashi]].

It is also possible in certain cases for sidekicks to grow out of their role of being a second fiddle to the hero and become independent heroes in their own right. [[Dick Grayson]] is one such example, having outgrown the mantle of Robin when he was under [[Batman]] and taken up the new identity of [[Nightwing]]. Another example is the popular comic-strip soldier of fortune Captain Easy, who started as the two-fisted sidekick of the scrawny little eponymous hero of the strip [[Wash Tubbs]].

Conversations with the sidekick reveal plot narrative devices to the audience in the form of conversation, thus the sidekick can have the same role as a [[Greek chorus]].

A [[Cartoon Network]] mini story had a sidekicks bar which had various cartoon sidekicks-such as Robin the Boy Wonder-discuss how important a sidekick is to the story-giving an example of how Porky Pig career actually became better as a sidekick; the only negative comment is by the ego driven chicken of [[Cow and Chicken]] who claims to be a co-star instead of a sidekick!

==Comparisons==

A [[villain]]'s supporters are normally called [[Henchman|henchmen]], minions, or lackeys, not sidekicks. While this is partially a convention in terminology, it also reflects that few villains are capable of bonds of friendship and loyalty, which are normal in the relationship between a hero and sidekick. Nevertheless, some villains (who might arguably be considered incapable of the aforementioned qualities) have sidekicks including the [[Joker]]'s [[Harley Quinn]], Ben Wade's Charlie Prince (from 3:10 to Yuma), [[Wario]]'s [[Waluigi]], and [[Magneto]]'s [[Mystique]] (only in the [[X-Men]] live action films).

However, it may also be due to the different roles in fiction of the protagonists and the antagonists: whereas a sidekick is a relatively important character due to their proximity to the protagonist, and so will likely be a developed character, the role of most henchmen is to act as [[cannon-fodder]] for the hero and his sidekick. As a result they tend to be anonymous, disposable characters, existing in the fiction for the sole purpose of illustrating the protagonists' prowess as they defeat them.

==In television==
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Many TV shows make use of a sidekick as a co-host who anchors an entertainment show together with the main star. [[Ed McMahon]] played this role famously to [[Johnny Carson]] on ''The Tonight Show''.

TV sidekicks usually play a supporting (not equal) but pivotal role to the star. Examples include Ethel Mertz to Lucy Ricardo (''[[I Love Lucy]]''), Ed Norton to Ralph Kramden (''[[The Honeymooners]]''), Major Roger Healey to Major Anthony "Tony" Nelson (''[[I Dream of Jeannie]]''), or even a group of people such as the [[Sweathogs]] to Mr. Kotter (''[[Welcome Back Kotter]]''). Duos of equal importance on TV such as Kate and Allie (''[[Kate & Allie]]''), Oscar and Felix (''[[The Odd Couple (TV series)|The Odd Couple]]''), or Laverne and Shirley (''[[Laverne & Shirley]]''), are sometimes both called sidekicks to each other, although the truest sense of the term denotes inequality.

[[Clarence Gilyard]] informed viewers on a television commercial for ''[[Walker Texas Ranger]]'' that he was not [[Chuck Norris]]'s sidekick, but would say "THIS is Chuck Norris's sidekick" over film of Norris doing a kick to a villain.

In animation, good examples are Pinky being Brain's sidekick on ''[[Pinky and the Brain]]'', [[List of students at South Park Elementary#Dougie|General Disarray]] being [[Butters Stotch#History|Professor Chaos]]' sidekick on ''[[South Park]]'', and Captain Girl being [[Captain Hero]]'s imaginary sidekick (replaced by [[Wooldoor Sockbat]] after her "death") on ''[[Drawn Together]]''.

==See also==
*[[Foil (literature)]]

== References ==
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==External links==
*[http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-sidekicks5-2008may05,0,4406026.story Sidekicks are second bananas no more]

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Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story

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| music = [[Ron Jones (composer)|Ron Jones]]
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| Title = Stewie B. Goode/Bango Was His Name, Oh!/Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure
| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
| Writer = [[Gary Janetti]] and [[Chris Sheridan]] (1) [[Alex Borstein]] (2) [[Steve Callaghan]] (3)
| Director = Pete Michels
| Airdate = May 21, 2006
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| Episode list = [[List of Family Guy episodes]]
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'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives. The prologue ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen trailers for fictional movies are run followed by a faux private message from a production member, then it cuts to the [[20th Century Fox]] logo.
==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire jar of caffeine pills (being supposed to eat only one). Stewie and Brian still arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
{{Unreferenced section|date=April 2009}}
The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As foretold in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
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==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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Talk:Famous for being famous

2009-06-21T16:10:02Z

InQuahogNeato: /* Paris Hilton is "Primarily famous for being the rich grand-daughter of Barron Hilton"?24.4.255.3 (talk) 16:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC) */

==VFD Designation==
* I strongly oppose the nomination of this article for deletion. This is an article about a cultural trend which, while mentioned in other articles already existent, had no article of its own.--[[User:Ensrifraff|Ensrifraff]] 02:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:*Perhaps if you cited some sources supporting what is now your [[WP:OR|original research]] on "people famous for being famous", it would be appropriate. Basically, it looks like you just thought it up yourself, rather than used [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to create it. It's not a speedy deletion candidate, but it's not exactly following policy either. [[User:Leebo86|Leebo]][[User_Talk:Leebo86|86]] 02:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
::*For instance, your description of Anna Nicole Smith doesn't really make a strong case for her "undeserving fame". She was a Playboy Playmate... unless you're insinuating that all models are "famous for being famous". [[User:Leebo86|Leebo]][[User_Talk:Leebo86|86]] 02:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
:::*Yes she was a Playboy playmate, however her fame for being famous went well beyond that. Most Playboy models never become famous. Additionally on the November 8th edition of [[Countdown with Keith Olbermann]] she was referred to as "famous simply for being famous" meaning that the term has been attributed to her.
::::*It may be true that the average Playboy model is not particularly famous, but I don't really think you can justify calling the Playmate of the Year for 1993 "famous for being famous". She began her Playboy career as the result of entering a search contest, not through her billionaire boyfriend, so that's not something directly contributing to her initial fame. [[User:Leebo86|Leebo]][[User_Talk:Leebo86|86]] 05:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
::::*Hmm... I guess the problem I have is that this basically designates all models (people famous for their physical beauty) as "famous for being famous," which isn't what I understood the meaning to be. Where do you draw the line between a model who is famous for modeling and a model who is famous for being famous? It's a pretty sloppy line, I think, and not something that has been discussed in the scholarly manner necessary for sustaining an encyclopedia article. [[User:Leebo86|Leebo]][[User_Talk:Leebo86|86]] 05:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::*No it doesn't. In the case of Anna Nicole Smith her later fame had little to do with the fame she found as a Playboy model. She is one of the most frequently cited examples of someone who is famous for being famous.--[[User:Ensrifraff|Ensrifraff]] 21:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::*Perhaps I'm unclear on the process by which one determines how much a person's fame is the result of a certain event in his or her life. It's all opinion, and like I said, a sloppy definition. I don't disagree that people referred to her that way, but the article should focus solely on documenting how people use the term, not trying to figure out if someone "deserved" to be famous or not. [[User:Leebo|Leebo]] [[User_Talk:Leebo|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Leebo|C]] 22:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
*Deleting this page? No way! "Famous for being Famous" is a common term in conversation in the media and a page about is appropriate. Also, there is no clear-cut line for who makes the list. Some may have been actresses or singers with debatable talent (Paris, Anna Nicole) while others were just attached (Ozzy's family) but they all deserve inclusion. Wikipedia does not aim to be a copy of a real encyclopedia, things like "famous for being famous" belong here but not in Britanica. -Jon in California
:*It's not our job to debate a celebrity's talent, that would be [[WP:NOR|original research]] for me to say "I think this celebrity is not very talented, so they must just be famous for being famous." Even when people in the media use it, it's just an opinion. [[User:Leebo|Leebo]] [[User_Talk:Leebo|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Leebo|C]] 11:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

::*Whether or not a fictional character is a [[Mary Sue]] is also subjective, but that does not mean we shouldn't have a page on the (quite notable) concept. The solution is simple: only report on the basic concept (which is pretty much covered already), and on who has been labeled [i]in notable media[/i] under this concept, as well as notable parodies (like the South Park episode). Duh. It's what we always do with this kind of thing. I honestly don't understand why people always inevitably argue over this kind of article, as it always ends up either messing up a perfectly decent article, or just ending with the same NPOV "include it if they become known as it in notable media, otherwise exclude it" construction that every other decent article on a subjective concept has. [[User:63.21.31.87|63.21.31.87]] 05:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
==Stub?==
How and why is this article a stub? There's only so much you can say about some things. [[User:Zebraic|Zebraic]] 22:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

== Some others? ==

* <s>[[Yoko Ono]]</s>
* [[May Pang]]
* [[Lisa Marie Presley]]
* [[Ron Reagan]]
* [[Mark Furman]]
* [[Billy Carter]]
* [[Monica Lewinsky]]
* [[Reverend Wright]]
* [[Joe the plumber]]
[[User:BillyTFried|BillyTFried]] ([[User talk:BillyTFried|talk]]) 02:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

:Yoko Ono is notable in her own right. She was an artist before meeting Lennon, and would be notable had she not met him. Would she have been a household name otherwise? No, but by the definition given in the article, this would not apply to Ono. Being a household name because of an association with someone else does not necessarily render a person "famous for being famous", as Ono is notable in her own right. Let's not allow mostly racist and sexist attitudes towards Ono trump common sense (not to mention that [[WP:BLP]] very much applies in this case). [[User:Freshacconci|freshacconci]][[User talk:Freshacconci| talktalk]] 15:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Paris Hilton is "Primarily famous for being the rich grand-daughter of Barron Hilton"?[[Special:Contributions/24.4.255.3|24.4.255.3]] ([[User talk:24.4.255.3|talk]]) 16:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC) ==

Primarily famous for being the subject/object/part-author of a 2003 sex tape? OK. Famous for her role in The Simple Life? If you insist. But primarily famous for being the grand-daughter of Barron Hilton? He has 23 grandchildren -- are the others also famous?
:Our "source" didnt even mention her grandfather and it wasnt a reliable source to begin with, so I removed it altogether. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|The Red Pen of Doom]] 18:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::How about readding her based on [http://www.arabianbusiness.com/558497-well-always-have-paris an entertainment section article in Arabian Business] "her chief achievements seem to be that she is slim, stupid, and swimming in cash." -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|The Red Pen of Doom]] 20:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Done. I can't believe her mentioning is even debatable... she's the very symbol of the "celeb disease", which this article is all about. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 16:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Famous for being famous

2009-06-21T16:08:09Z

InQuahogNeato:

'''Famous for being famous''', in [[popular culture]] terminology, refers to someone who attains celebrity status for no particular identifiable reason. The term is a [[pejorative]], suggesting that the individual has no particular [[talent]]s or abilities. Even when their fame arises from a particular talent or action on their part, the term will sometimes still apply if their fame is disproportionate to what they earned through their own talent or work. [[Daniel Boorstin]] defined the celebrity as "a person who is known for his well-knownness" in his 1961 book The Image.

{| class="wikitable" border="1"
|+Examples of people to whom the term has been applied
!Person
!Description
|-
|[[Michael Alig]]
|Club promoter most known for the [[club kids]] and the 1996 [[murder]] of drug dealer [[Angel Melendez]].<ref> [http://www.jigsawlounge.co.uk/film/partymonsterinterview2.html Neil Young's Film Lounge]</ref>
|-
|[[Angelyne]]<ref>[http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/recall/runforit/20030826-685-angelyne.html Look for her pink car in Sacramento -- San Diego Union-Tribune]</ref>
|Billboard model and one-time [[2003 California recall|candidate]] for California governor (though at least one source<ref>[http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/08/11/ED259359.DTL Sizing Up the Candidates -- San Francisco Chronicle]</ref> suggests she is not famous enough for this characterization).
|-
|[[Kevin Federline]]<ref name="cnn">[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/28/sbt.01.html CNN.com - Transcripts]</ref>
|Former husband and back-up-dancer of [[Britney Spears]] and father of her children.
|-
|[[Paris Hilton]]<ref name="Arabian Business">{{cite web|url=http://www.arabianbusiness.com/558497-well-always-have-paris|title=We’ll always have Paris|publisher=ArabianBusiness.com|quote=''[A] girl who is ostensibly famous for being famous, and whose chief achievements seem to be that she is slim, stupid, and swimming in cash... [a] symbol of all that is wrong with materialistic America.''|date=Jun. 12, 2009|accessdate=Jun. 21, 2009}}</ref>
|Heiress to the [[Hilton Hotels Corporation|Hilton]] dynasty, who is primarily famous for making many media appearances.
|-
|[[Kato Kaelin]]<ref>[http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9970426 CBS Sportsline article]</ref>
|Friend of [[O.J. Simpson]] who provided testimony during the [[O.J. Simpson trial]].
|-
|[[John F. Kennedy, Jr.]]<ref>[http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/07/18/famous/index.html Famous for being famous - Salon.com]</ref>
|Primarily famous for being the son of former [[President of the United States|U.S. President]] [[John F. Kennedy]], he utilized his name to create the magazine ''[[George (magazine)|George]]''.
|-
|[[Nicole Richie]]<ref name="cnn">[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/28/sbt.01.html CNN.com - Transcripts]</ref>
|Mainly famous as Paris Hilton's [[sidekick]] and as the adopted daughter of [[Lionel Richie]]
|}

==See also==
*[[Begging the question]]
*[[Celebrity]]
*[[Celebutante]]
*[[Socialite]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Celebrities]]
[[Category:Pop culture language]]

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User talk:Drmies

2009-06-21T15:24:30Z

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== Remove the stench ==
[[Image:Disinfection liquid.JPG|200px|left|thumb|Disinfectant attached to a befouled RfA process]]This might be useful. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
*Hey, I just had a quick look at [[Clifton's Cafeteria]]--nice! Of course, I didn't check to see if your punctuation was plagiarized or not, which is entirely possible. I didn't know it was featured in ''[[On the Road]]'', which I read long, long before I ever came to the US (and so many things didn't make sense to me, but it did make for a different and probably valuable reading experience). Speaking of new things, I went to a baseball game tonight, for the first time in my life. The mascot, [[Montgomery Biscuits|Big Mo]], even came to our box--unfortunately just as my oldest daughter was on the playground, and the five-month old didn't seem to care, haha. But the fast food (and the [[fried chicken]] with [[biscuit]]s and [[white gravy]]) was pretty good, and fun, since I never eat that. And I had a couple of beers with my colleague, and forgot all about stuff for a couple of hours. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
**Spring in the homeland [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cermivelli/3462904487/]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
***Wow, nice... Thanks for that shot. The summer semester has started here, and I miss being home in the summer, doing (next to) nothing. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Thanks again ==
[[File:Biere Duvel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Try this.]]
As I promised myself I spent Sunday with my family, drank too much beer and even hosted a last minute BBQ (sorry you couldn't make it). I even managed to take a friend of mine to school in [[Mario Kart Wii|Mario Kart]]. I want to thank you again for nominating my for adminship in addition to all the other support you provided. As for my justification for withdrawal, I felt that the examples provided by BuddingJournalist/TwilligToves showed me that I need to focus on my content contributions before I am ready to branch out in other areas of responsibility. While my opinion was that Ottava's examples were taken out of context (as I showed), the larger ones were not. The decision was not based on whether or not I felt I was in violation of any policy or guideline it was something I felt was the right thing to do. My primary focus here is content and I need to have that down before I can advance further. As I explained I felt that Ottava's examples were enough to point out that I had some work to do but not enough to hang me from the proverbial [[yardarms]]. This is in regards to two issues (1) WP:PLAGIARISM was only promoted to a guideline on 20 May (or about 11 days ago), so I feel it is a little early to claim people are in violation of it (since nobody actually did say I was in violation of it I did not bring it up, but I felt the intention was there) (2) as you have stated (and I will bring up again), the definition is far too ambiguous to be used in any discussion regarding an editors actions, and based on that alone in my opinion the guideline does not hold water. I appreciated Ottava's assumption of good faith and his going neutral following my efforts to correct them. I am not sure which way the actual RfA would have gone if it had fully proceeded, and truthfully right now I do not want to think about it. Now I have some serious matters to get to, as I recall there was a request from Bongo to have an article written about some bug, and now that this and the bacon challenge are over I can get back to improving the encyclopedia, which is all I ever wanted to do. I am glad you got to a baseball game, I was at a [[Reno Aces]] game a few weeks ago, good times and a great park (brand new too). If you are in the area let me know and we can catch one. Cheers and happy editing. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:K, you are a nice guy, and a much better man than I am, I think. I agree absolutely on the two issues. I felt like tanking the whole WP thing, but there's too much work to be done. But right now I'm focusing on only one tiny little thing, one article, and am leaving the rest for what it is--I'm sure that won't be forever. (I did make some minor edits to that Barrock mine article, but didn't feel like removing the template yet--I don't want to appear to spiteful, and besides, who knows what the guidelines are?) As for BBQ, that's always a good thing. I enjoy cooking it more than eating it, haha. I got some hickory from Publix; earlier, I used scrap oak from various carpentry projects. Thanks for the note. You know you have made a ton of friends here on WP--just look at the list of names of supporters. Take it easy! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Strode Mansion]]==
Not sure how notable this subject is as it's on the campus of a school with subpar football team. But I thought you might want to have a look. GO TIGERS!!! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I came across [[naturist anarchism]], a subject I in which I believe you have great expertise. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh and here's one more for you [[The Applejacks (NL band)]], a Dutch band based on an American breakfast cereal. I prefer raisin bran. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:How's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Applejacks_(NL_band)&curid=23049569&diff=294007074&oldid=294005941 this edit summary] for irony?--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 19:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::Haha, nice, but am I expected to save this joint? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::As far as I can tell there aren't any Dutch bands that are notable. I hope that helps. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Tell that to [[Shocking Blue]]. Hey, Applejack might be less not-notable than I thought. I don't think there will be enough, but who knows...if they win [[The Next Stage]] this month in the [[Melkweg]]... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoM, you have a lot of nominating to do: [[:Category:Dutch musical groups]]. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 05:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Doc when you're done futzing with that Dutch [[garage band]], will you have a look at this edit to an article on one of your Democratic political buddies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Villaraigosa&curid=21347195&diff=294103426&oldid=294103125#cite_note-36]? Thanks mucho. I know you have the highest content, sourcing and NPOV standards. And I know I can count on you to ensure that we expose any sort of spin doctoring and covering up of cronyism between socialists and their big business allies who are bankrupting this country. Kudos! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 06:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dimitris Melissanidis ==

What do mean by "misspelling"? "Dimitris" and "Dimitrios" is the same name in Greek. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They are two articles for the same person. Take one and improve it. Take the other one and redirect to the other. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

==Art Walk==
here you go [http://www.flickr.com/photos/34815340@N06/3587366104/in/set-72157619171206542/] You can scroll through the rest of the shots from that link. Sorry about the delay. You and MQS have been very patient. There are more photos, but I hit the Flickr limit. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Nice! Nice trip, I'm jealous. Wish I could have joined you! Lots of cool things--I liked the Alessi display. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.webundies.com/nu030r2m.htm?AID=10273800&PID=2876692] What do you think? The end is near? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the end is near. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/S_Marshall| S Marshall RfA]] ==

I am a bit puzzled... since you nommed the candidate, do you intend to !vote for support? I don't see it yet. --'''''[[User:Stanistani|Stani]][[User talk:Stanistani|Stani ]]''''' 06:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Isn't it obvious that I support the candidate I nominate? Strongly? But it's all water under the bridge now. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Heads Up ==

Just in case you didn't know already. [[User:Dr. Blofeld]] has retired.--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 09:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Legend. That is not good news. Blofeld and I had a bit of fun together and produced some nice stuff. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like Dr. Blofeld will ever be coming back. I think he's gone forever....--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Angels on horseback ==

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== Strode House ==

I don't have anything helpful on the shelf, although I may be able to locate something. (There's a book I haven't had a chance to check yet.) I have weighed in on the AfD, and I think the consensus is strongly in favor of notability. — [[User:Alarob|ℜob C.]] ''alias'' [[User_talk:Alarob|'''ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ''']] 16:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Rob. Yeah, the status as a historical building ought to be enough, but I am also interested in seeing the article fleshed out a bit more. It ''is'' a beautiful, beautiful building. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of the Netherlands, I forgot to tell you that I watched a whole segment on [[European Journal]] about the collapsing pension system in the Netherlands. And it seems they are pushing back the reirement age to 67. Folks who bought into Al Gore's lock-box lie over here are likely in for a much worse surprise when they realize Uncle Sam has saved not a penny on their behalf. Good thing we shot down those personal accounts... ooops I mean "PRIVATIZED" social security system. Egads! :) My local weekly did a feature story on "bacon bits" including J&Ds lip balm, a car that runs on bacon (BioBlend Fuels) and the BA-K-47 from thisisfreakingridiculous.com. So the end will have to wait until next week. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah, I'm sure the Dutch are terrified at their coming doom, and will be running to apply for American citizenship. At least here you ''know'' you don't get jack! (Not even Applejack.) Maybe Uncle Sam can try to retrieve some of those cargo planes full of cash that dropped their contents on Iraq during the previous administration. Hey, I saw the AfD for the list of bacon dishes--funny how bacon really brings out the carnivores in a lot of WP editors! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those planes have been diverted for Obama's war games in Afghanistan. Here's a link for your weapon of choice [http://www.thisisfreakingridiculous.com/tifr/2009/4/13/ba-k-47.html]. And here's the EJ story [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4262386,00.html]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nice! Looks a lot better than my standard issue. Oh...Afghanistan...yes...I forgot...where we were fighting the "war on terror" until we started fighting the "war for Halliburton and Blackwater"... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Pfff. That's German news. It couldn't possibly be true. Ha, did you see the GM ads on TV, arguing that this is only the beginning of a new kind of car industry? This is getting too serious--time for football season to begin. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Didn't the majority leader in the Senate declare the war in Iraq lost some time ago? Government Motors is indeed the beginning of a very new car industry. And they're trying to implement the same operational structure on health care and the rest of the private sector as well. :) Football? We still have a ways to go. I wonder if your QB and Auburn's DB will make teams... Stay cool. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::When you guys are done talking politics and football can you swing by [[User:Kelapstick/Samuel L. Jackson filmography]] and see how it looks (same request posted on Bongo's talk page too). I trues when I show up in the morning it will look nothing as it does now? Thanks. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Only Love Can Break Your Heart==
Please stop removing the cover version from this article. "Some other band" (Saint Etienne's) version is notable enough to be included and to have an infobox, as it charted as a top-40 UK single and a number-one U.S. dance single. Song articles within Wikipedia include original versions, as well as notable covers and/or remixes. If you are going to make such a huge, sweeping change to an article, please take it up on the Talk Page first. Thanks. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think that it is against policy to keep them together; in fact I can give you a zillion examples of song articles that include more than one version of the same song.... although I'm sure you've seen quite a few throughout WP. I will, however, (if you'd like) assist in beefing up the Neil Young portion. I do agree that it is extremely lopsided (that extensive track list section probably isn't imperative) but that's not a reason to spin off the Saint Etienne part. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Eric, I'll keep it here, so we don't have to go back and forth all the time. The way I look at it, the Saint Etienne version ''is'' a spin-off, and so the article should be too, and, as I mentioned before, it deserves its own article. And part of the problem, besides the lopsidedness (which could be solved by editing and writing), is the double set of infoboxes, which I find confusing and esthetically not very pleasing, and the somewhat strange set of categories. Again, it seems to me that the article is about a song, by Neil Young, on ''After the Gold Rush'' (and the infobox should be, IMO, for "song" and not for "single"), sure, with one of those "for the hit by Saint Etienne, see [[etc.]]" lines at the top; and a no.1 hit single should get its own article. Combining them suggests that the Saint Etienne single isn't notable enough in its own right to have an article despite having been a no.1 hit. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I do see the point, but I look at it this way: an article is about a ''song''. Someone writes it, records it, puts it on an album, releases it as a single, has a hit. Lovely. Someone else records their interpretation, has another hit with it. And so on. All of this is part of the history of the song. i.e, in a perfect encyclopedia (I'm dreaming here) there would be info on the inspiration of the song, what went into recording it, maybe some chart info.... then (below) more on what made Artist #2 choose this song to record, how it was produced, etc. (all this assuming of course it meets notability guidelines). I think breaking things up causes more confusion. I do know that, years ago, this kind of thing got wayy out of control with articles being made about every cover version and remix out there (for example there was an article for Whitney Houston's version of "Star Spangled Banner" and Christine Aguilera's "Christmas Song", two songs covered by approximately 50 billion artists). So per the naming conventions at [[WP:SONG]], all of these articles marked as "(single)" were combined and named uniformly with "(song)". As far as the infobox is concerned, I do see how this could look gaudy to some people, but that's (I think) something that could be taken up in a different discussion with editors who would want to improve the look of infoboxes to make them flow better. Neil Young's version should have a single infobox because, well, it was a single. Saint Etienne's should also be there — both versions have varying degrees of success in different realms of the music world, no?
:::Take a look at some of these and just tell me what you think: granted some of these may also be "lopsided" but most of the time the combining works quite well: [[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]], [[The Passenger (song)]], [[Venus (Shocking Blue song)]], [[Valerie (The Zutons song)]], [[It's My Life (Talk Talk song)]], [[I'll Be There]]. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I see your point. That's not to say that I agree with you, cause that's not the kind of guy I am! Thanks for the links; I'll have a look and will get back to you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
←Speaking of cover versions, have you seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA this] artistic interpretation of a classic? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 23:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Bacon spam==
To all members of the bacon cabal: Did you know that there is a theory that the [[Voynich manuscript]] might be the long lost [[Voynich manuscript#Theories about authorship|Book of Bacon]] ? [[User:Spinningspark|'''SpinningSpark''']] 11:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, that's fantastic. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 12:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Trouble in paradise?==
Things are heating up for the European Parliament [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8084281.stm] with [[Geert Wilders]]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Dolly Rockers==

I was hoping that Astronaut might do the work of adding the references. I was waiting to see some effort in that direction, before I added the sources; apologies that you needed to add them. I've done some work on it now too. [[User:Fences and windows|Fences and windows]] ([[User talk:Fences and windows|talk]]) 16:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, you said the same thing that I've said at AfD many a times: "not my job." And then we go on to make it our jobs anyway! Thanks for helping save a notable article, and thanks for the note. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shift4 ==

I have responded to your message to me about the edits to the Shift4 page on the Discussion page for the Shift4 article. I would like to discuss this matter further, as I believe the edits I made to be valid and not vandalism. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.170.11.126|70.170.11.126]] ([[User talk:70.170.11.126|talk]]) 21:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

== You've got to see this ==

[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld]]--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE:How about this one? ==

The current templates on those two articles don't really deal with plagiarism, but with [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]], which are different and require admin attention (our copyright pages are ''policy'' while our plagiarism page is a guideline). (By the way, do you understand the difference between our copyright policy and the plagiarism guideline? Not meant to be a condescending question, but a legitimate and sincere inquiry [the two are confusing at times, I know]. It just seems that from my previous conversations with you, and your latest message on my talk page, you're mixing the two.) This is because all content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with [[GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GFDL]], even old versions of articles. Therefore, if there are any copyright violations, admins peruse the history of the article and delete the contributions that contain them. These templates are part of this set process, and I would be wary of touching them. I've never been a fan of how big and scary they look, but I assume it's due to the legal implications when dealing with copyvios; they were created long before I joined WP.

I believe the reason why editors are cautioned not to do further editing on the pages is to just make life easier for the admins who look into the articles, so they don't have to do more work in making sure revisions are free of copyvios. In any case, an admin should be along shortly to deal with these two articles. As stated in the instructions, anyone can continue working on the text elsewhere, such as a subpage in the talk namespace. Does that help?

By the way, if you can point me to a source that actually legitimizes the whole "citation but no quotation marks is OK" point of view, I'd be much obliged. I've seen some other editors too hold this point of view, but I still have no idea where this comes from. No definition/discussion of plagiarism I've encountered considers this to be OK. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 01:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
*I am aware of the difference, yes. Since neither of the two articles were simply copied from the sources (the charge at the relevant RfA was, I imagine, that they were too close to copyvio to be called legitimate paraphrase) you'd have to make a case for why they would be copyvios, and the answer suggested, though not provided (you were never explicit), was "they're too close to the source.". That can only mean that they are not paraphrased properly, but the yardstick for "proper paraphrase" is quite unclear. ([[WP:copyvio]] doesn't specifiy.) And by the way, I never said "citation but no quotation marks is OK." I was talking about ''attribution'' and every source I've ever looked at (see my comments [[User_talk:Ottava_Rima#plagiarism.2C_from_RfA|elsewhere]]) makes lack of attribution essential in the charge of plagiarism. That I talk about copyvio and plagiarism side-by-side is because a. they are related (no matter whether one thing is policy and the other guideline) and b. plenty of participants in the RfA accused the candidate of plagiarism (see Durova's comments, for instance).I note, by the way, that at the RfA you actually didn't specify what the issues were, precisely: you gave two sets of two passages, and I concluded that you ''meant'' to say that they were too close, so close that they should be called copyvio. But that also is a judgment call, and while I freely admit that in my opinion ''some'' (though not all) of those passages should have been paraphrased more in the author's own words, the rhetorical power of the copyvio template, which (and I repeat myself) I believe was applied unjustly, was such that the RfA was hijacked, in my opinion. Your use of ellipsis towards the end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kelapstick&diff=293437887&oldid=293427174 your comment] is telling in that respect. And that is why I said what I said. While I don't want to make light of the problem of copyright violations, I am still not convinced that that was what we were dealing with here--and we were certainly not dealing with plagiarism. Rather than ask me if I know the difference, I'd like for you to address my charge: that all-too-close paraphrase (a matter of judgment) does not automatically add up to a copyright violation, and that your pasting COPYVIO all over this candidacy helped damn it. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:*OK, for a moment I thought you were actually being serious on my talk page, but instead it looks like you're out here to bait me with your passive aggressive attacks. It's not going to work. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Twillig, you're not reading very carefully. I was being serious, and I'm not trying to be passive at all. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Seed swap ==

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:You put a lot of effort into saving some shack near U o Bama's campus, but nothing for [[Anarchist naturism]]? Now it's gone. So many people will be left in ignorance without coverage of this important subject. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, it's gone? (Was it ever there?) Yes, the shack is saved--did you see Alarob's comments at that AfD? I don't know what to think. Sorry about the naturism thing. Recreate it, why don't you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Bacon enthusiasts are known for breaking chairs, especially those of faulty design. Someone removed my cardboard chair pic from the [[cardboard]] article. Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== ''[[Hell Awaits]]'' you... ==

...we have heavy metal <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[WP:GENREWARRIOR|Genre Warrior]]: "you mean black metal, right?"] and hot girls! {{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 02:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, I can do with some hot girls! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Loki, what's that word that's misspoken? You can't just tease the reader like that! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Most of that you reorganized, was not written by me.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha, I'm glad--I wouldn't want to mess with you. But still, what's the word? Now I'm curious. Don't make me search the blogs and stuff... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::[http://rapidshare.com/files/62280605/Slayer_-_Hell_Awaits.rar Is this?]--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You can "save" [[Commercial Metal|this article]]? Also, thanks for answer my last reply.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'll have a look--but as you may know, Blackmetalbaz is my master metallurgian. I downloaded the file, but haven't listened to it yet, since I can't unpack it where I'm at. I'll get back to you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 19:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Haha, I don't think there's any saving that one. Good luck! Oh, I played that album in the car. Not bad, but anytime I want to hear something more or less like that I go to the [[Chaos AD|best thing]]. As for that misspelled word--I think that whole passage should be dropped from the article, since it's really a bit trivial, don't you think? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don't think. Ah, so you should listen to bands like: [[Meshuggah]], [[Ephel Duath (band)|Ephel Duath]], [[Deathspell Omega]], [[Sigh (band)|Sigh]]...; all different, but connected by their experimentalism. ([[Sepultura]] is a very experimental band) --[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 05:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::(Regarding [[Evangelion (album)#Preproduction, recording and production|''Evangelion'' (album)]]) Hi, you could take a look in this article, please.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 20:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::I carry a very blunt axe... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:{{=)|wink2}}--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 21:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

----
You could copy-edit this [[Dream Theater discography|list]]? Ah, you saw [[Talk:Hell Awaits|that]]? And the bands above, you listened?--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Cortez Gold Mine]]==
Hi. I see that you've expressed an interest in helping clean up this article, and it would be much appreciated, particularly if you have access to [http://www.miningmagazine.com/mine-of-the-month/cortez-hills--the-latest-chapter]. I can't view it. I can confirm that there is some duplication from [http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/cortez/], as with "the first simultaneous start-up of an underground and surface mine in Nevada", but I don't know what needs to be cleaned from the other source. Lacking access to it, if I am left to address it (and can't find somebody who ''can'' access it), I'm not going to have any option but to rewrite or remove the article. Can you help? (I'll be watching your talk page. Please let me know either way, since I'll be looking around for other resources if necessary.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Check your email, girl! I hope that helps. As you can see in the history, I did some of it already, but I don't know how well or if it was to satisfaction; I may not have been in the best frame of mind. Thanks for your help, and let me know what I can do. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. :) Given the complexity of the article, I probably won't be able to address it until tomorrow (getting late in my part of the world), but your assistance is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. It's not so late here, but I'm waiting for this cute little girl sitting next to me to go to bed (that is, when ''[[Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey|Homeward Bound]]'' is over). Drop me a line; I may have some time tomorrow in between classes. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I envy you. I've got ''[[Paul Blart: Mall Cop]]''. (sigh) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Can you undelete and stub-ify the Batu Hijau article please? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 01:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, I can't undelete a copyvio. The article was listed for a week as per process to allow contributors an opportunity to address it, but unfortunately nobody did so, and the copyright infringement was foundational, going all the way back to the first edit. There was no clean version to revert to. If you'd like to create a stub, I'd be happy to give you any non-GFDL infringing elements from the page, including categories or external links. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::the sources and info box are enough for me to rewrite it properly. Cheers. [[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 01:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::All right. I'll prop them in your userspace if you'd like. Note that I did also offer the template-blanked version back for a few days [[User_talk:Bongomatic#Your_note.2C_Drmies_page|at Bongomatic's talk page]]. I don't know if you read the template, but you are welcome to revise the article in the temporary space if you'd like, alone or in tandem. That stands for this one as well. All that matters is that problematic text be dealt with. If you have any questions about paraphrasing, I'd be happy to help you. I suspect you know quite a lot more about this subject than I do. (Sorry for parking on your talkpage, Drmies. :))--[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No that's fine--if I knew y'all were coming I'd made you coffee and baked some cakes. What is this, the first chapter of ''[[The Hobbit]]''? I did make some edits to Cortez, but then I read the template again and undid them. I looked at it one more time and now I think I know what I should have done...too complicated for me. Anyway, I'm happy--we're all on it, the article will be back in good shape, Shadow and all them found their way home (though my daughter was ''still'' crying cause he hurt his paw), my daughter is in bed, my phone-laptop-Bluetooth connection miraculously started working, and the coffee is ready. And the mall is safe from crime, I imagine. MRGirl, you're welcome here anytime. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha! [[Kristin Hersh]]! Haven't thought about her in forever. I used to have a tape (yes, a tape) of ''Hips and Makers'', with that creepy song with Michael Stipe. (That article needs a good scrubbing.) Guess I'll have to dig that up now, and find my old Walkman. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Having the template blanked version would be good, but either way is fine with me. I see Bongo commented on his talk as to a location. It is most appreciated. Also I will take a look at the offline refs of Cortez Hills tomorrow and make sure they are not in violation. I think I have the magazine on my desk still (under a large pile of paper). We watched ''[[Bedtime Stories (film)|Bedtime Stories]]'' last night, well worth it. Rock on.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 03:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::All right. It is so userfied. I appreciate your looking into the Cortez Hills article as well. I now have access to the material, so I can help as needed, but it is not my area of expertise. Editing, on the other hand, is (not Wikipedia; I mean it in the general sense), so please don't hesitate to let me know if you've found something you can't figure out how to put into your own words. Nevermind what I do with it off-Wiki, I've been doing it on Wiki every day for almost a year. :) Linguistics [[Rubic's Cube]]. ''Bedtime Stories'' was way better than ''Mall Cop''. :D [[User:Drmies|Drmies]], is Gandalf here yet? (I love that song. And it is creepy. If you haven't heard her lately, you should check out what 15 years of heavy smoking and not taking care of her throat have done. Her voice is incredibly textured.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 10:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Hey Doc, [[User:Kelapstick/Cortez Gold Mine]] and [[Batu Hijau mine]] are done (following a sprinkle of [[holy water]] on Cortez), so that monstrosity is finalized. Have yourself a drink, I will talk to you tomorrow.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Dahil Sa Iyo ==

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|On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#June 9 2009|June 9, 2009]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Dahil Sa Iyo]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].
|} [[User:Mifter|Mifter]] ([[User talk:Mifter|talk]]) 23:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Smile ==

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'''Drmies''', Sky Attacker has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! ''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
</div>--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Thanks Legend! I needed that after reading stuff at WP:ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::What did you read? Anything good? Do tell! I barely hear from you any more now that KBC2009 is over. So sad... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::That's cause I'm often on recent changes these days, and you never edit on anything but bureaucratic matters :/ I made a few comments on AfDs, and am doing cleanup on a couple of things. Well, another longtime contributor apparently left, an admin is threatened with being stripped, nothing new really. But it's always a bit sad to see WP editors yelling and getting worked up, on matters that often, from the outside looking in, seem trivial. Hey, I saw a minute of ''[[Chopped]]'' just now, and the loser seemed to have made [[chocolate covered bacon]] for his dessert. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I thought Blofield came back? Who left? I'm fighting for my Wikilife on bureaucratic matters kiddo. 1 revert per article per week? Which Admin is threatened with a stripping? Is it a cute one? I'll have to check out chopped. I'm thinking of setting up some sock accounts so I can become and Admin and get a seat on Arbcom. What do you think? Seriously though, none of this is trivial. It's all VERY important. They're trying to delete Auburn's 2010 football team before they even have a chance![http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_10#2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team] Tough times for all of us. Cheerios. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::And what happened to the Snake 'n Bake? I tried to tivo it but no luck. Is it gone forever? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Blofeld is back, but Stifle made a no-no, according to some, and Shoemaker's Holiday called it quits. And I didn't say it ''was'' trivial--I said it looked trivial from the outside. Our recent RfA adventures were FAR from trivial, but we were on the inside. And for Auburn: the biggest news there is the resignation of [[Bobby Lowder]]--and our article says nothing about the enormous amounts of gossip going around! And I don't know about Snake 'n' Bacon...I don't have that channel... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you can help determine the future of [[Animal love]] (safe for work... at least last I checked) and [[Jesse Dee]]. Stifle seems to be more reasonable than ever lately, although I don't think I see eye to eye with the kid. I'll have to look into that.

"From trivial, but we were on the inside"? What kind of yoda-speak is this? Have you been hanging out with my main man GTB? I take it you are high on life? :)
*No yoda--just forgot a word. Please note my correction of the grievous error, sir. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is 2010 this coming season or the following season? Anyway, "your" Lakers <s>are</s> were looking good <s>so far</s>. Not really a match-up that I find particularly interesting. Keep it real. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
*I assume you're being sympathetic. The commentators also tried to see the Lakers glass as half-full. My problem is that game 4 is played Sunday evening, and we're going camping in [[DeSoto State Park]], and I don't know if we'll be back home on time. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm VERY sympathetic. I hadn't realized they were playing last night, so I was commenting on the first two games until I found out they had lost. As success follows me everywhere, it won't be surprising when LA wins the championship. As for my Jets??? well... They're not much without me and Keyshawn now are they.[[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Another 3RR issue over at death metal==
One particular editor keeps reinserting the text regarding "brutal death metal" despite its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brutal death metal|deletion]]. They are clearly in breach of 3RR at this stage. Care to take a look? [[User:Blackmetalbaz|Blackmetalbaz]] ([[User talk:Blackmetalbaz|talk]]) 11:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw it yesterday. Did you report them? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just saw a picture on Facebook of an old friend of mine playing [[piano]] for [[Jan Peter Balkenende]], he (the PM) had on a weird tie.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I left before he was out of diapers. I'd never even heard of him, and I hope you won't mind if I don't put a picture of him up here! But...your friend plays piano for heads of state? That's not a bad gig! Was he tired of mining? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Never was in mining, always a [[Piano Man (song)|Piano Man]]. Actually I knew him long before I considered digging in the dirt. He's going to school in the Netherlands, music something, not sure how he got that gig put I would agree it is a pretty good one.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== first vs second treaty ==

Good error catch on the treaty with Mexico. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yours is infinitely more reliable. Like Wikipedia itself those less reputable websites are ok for giving you ideas, but its always best to get a second and more reliable source for web based facts. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/297926692.html?dids=297926692:297926692&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Apr+09%2C+1918&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=CARRANZA+GREETS+KING+OF+BELGIUM&pqatl=google King and Queen of Belgium visited Mexico in 1918] but I am about to go to bed, can you peek if you are still awake and see if you can find a better reference? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 06:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
*I found [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z3gLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5623,4213429&dq=carranza+king+of+belgium this]--I don't have access to old editions of the Monitor. As far as I can tell it wasn't a visit, just a telegram. Still, it was a telegram important enough to be reported on in ''[[The Evening Independent]]''--somewhat strange, really. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Cubs197|reply}}
I replied to you on my talk page.--[[User:Cubs197|Cubs197]] ([[User talk:Cubs197|talk]]) 05:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Red Deer ==

Curious, what pages are affected? I've found [[Red Deer, Alberta]], [[Red Deer]] the animal, and [[Red Deer (disambiguation)]], plus redirects to those pages. You're correct that I have tools that you don't: I can fix the move from Red deer (animal) to Red Deer. That's the only change that I can see that you can't fix; are there any others? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Is everything fixed, as far as you can see? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think so--thanks a lot for your help. I was afraid I had done more harm than good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

=="Intentional wrongdoers"==
You freaking cheaters! Isn't this de ja vus all over again? How is it that you don't win more with all these violations? Tsk tsk tsk. I hope this foul play doesn't reflect poorly on the devoted student athletes and high standards maintained by Auburn and other SEC schools. Should Bama be demoted to Div 2 for a while until they can get things in order? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Eeeeehhhhh...what are you talking about? Do I need to listen to talk radio more? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Hmm. OK. Well, at least it wasn't ALL the sports, just "softball, baseball, women's gymnastics, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, men's golf, women's golf, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's tennis, women's tennis, men's track and field, women's track and field, women's soccer and women's volleyball."<ref name="NCAA">{{cite news
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| title = NCAA announces Alabama penalties
| work = [[Montgomery Advertiser]]
| place =
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| date = 2009-06-11
| url = http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090611/NLETTER02/90611036
| accessdate = 2009-06-11}}</ref> Flag football and rugby seem to be squeaky clean, so that's a relief, and as "1solidrock" wrote on the ''[[Montgomery Advertiser]]'''s website, "Must be some Auburn, LSU, Tennessee influence somewhere on this supposed impartial panel."<ref name="NCAA"/> [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute. I just looked at the source you provided. This whole hoo hah is about free textbooks? Seriously? Ahahahahaha. USC players are getting nice cars and houses for their folks and you guys get busted for giving away textbooks to your athletes. Too funny. All is fair in love and war my friend. Go Tigers!!! :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===References===
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== a general thank you... ==

...to users Kelapstick, MuZemike, and Alansohn for keeping it clean. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Keeping what clean? This sounds dirty... What have you guys been up to? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Why wasn't Bynum in the game? Is Kobe allowed to elbow people in the face? He must have Admin status... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it was an exciting game. Howard should have made his free throws and the game would have been over in regulation. Cheerios. Congrats. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I even saw some of it. And Bynum was in the game, and yes, Kobe can do anything he likes! I was glad that Fisher had a couple of nice shots. (Clean: check the history of my user page, haha.) You doing alright? Plans for the weekend? Working on some bilateral relations perhaps? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
About floating is also a box? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
*This edit
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spekkoek&curid=8101897&diff=296445064&oldid=252769602] needs a check and some clean up ([[speculaas]] can be wikilinked too). One of your compatriots at work, I presume? I was doing some Google News checking on various old article subjects I've worked on and I see [[Kees Christiaanse]] is still in the news. Apparently he's involved in this and that, keeping the colonial legacy going in Indonesia and what have you. How do you find [[This Earth of Mankind]] so far? Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw this comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALugnuts&diff=296578104&oldid=296483724] and I thought you might like to help with the effort. If you guys stick to the notable ones it should only take a day or two at the most. I don't think there are more than 2 or 3. :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Warning templates ==

Not a dumb question at all. :) The reason it is confusing if because that template isn't meant to be used directly. Instead use:

<nowiki>{{</nowiki>subst:spam-warn|''page''|header=1<nowiki>}} ~~~~</nowiki>

where ''page'' is the page you placed the speedy tag on.

For convenience, the speedy template should have a ready made version that you can copy and paste near the bottom of it (after it has been added to an article).

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even better, Doctor, try using Twinkle and Friendly, which can now be installed though your gadgets settings at your preferences. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 18:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Floodplain (album)]] ==

Hi! Do you have the album? If so, could you please look what is written in the notes about Ram Narayan's involvement, if any, and tell me? That would be very kind. Thank you. [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 17:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. I don't have the album here so I'll have to get back to you. The [http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/floodplain Nonesuch website] has a little bit of information, but not what you're looking for, I think. There's a short paragraph for each song, and I'll see what it says. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! Please feel free to send me an email (link on my userpage). [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 00:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::You know, having the recording they took their version from, I'm sad no review commented on comparisons between the original versions and the covers. I've only found the four reviews though, do you know of any I didn't put in the infobox? [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 11:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Stanley R. Jaffe]] ==

I gave Sam a bit of expansion and sourcing. There is lots more out there. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 00:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Jason L. McCoy]] ==
I saw in the edit history that you were considering speedy for this page, but since no one has done that and the page has been up for a bit, I PRODded it; just letting you know. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks. I did consider it, but the guy is a mayor and I don't know if that makes him automatically notable. If you look through the various versions, though, you'll see quickly why I considered it. Thanks, Spaceman; I'll add the page to my watchlist. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I think being a mayor of a town of 25k people will probably get a pass from CSD, but he still doesn't qualify per either [[WP:Politician]] or [[WP:N]] from what I've been able to find, so I decided to PROD. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Yes sorry about that. You were too fast for me :-) --[[User:Jmh649|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*No problem at all. I should have realized, actually, that your name looked familiar to me and that I'd seen your edits (or maybe vandalism reverts) on a medical article a couple of months ago. Happy editing, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pick your hook.... ==

====Stanley R. Jaffe====

{{*mp}}... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' after resigning as president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1971 to found his own producton company, returned 20 years later in 1991 to be president of [[Paramount Communications]] and then replaced [[Brandon Tartikoff]] in 1992 as president of [[Paramount Pictures]] ?

:*'''ALT1''':... that after producing ''[[Goodbye, Columbus (film)|Goodby Columbus]]'', '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was appointed president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1970, only to resign in 1971 to form his own production company ?
:*'''ALT2''':... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was president of several different [[Paramount Pictures]] divisions, yet never held any one postion with them for more than 2 years ?
:*''Comment'': article a collaborative effort inspired by [[User:Drmies]]
Created by [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]), [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|MichaelQSchmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]). Self nom at 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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'''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Michael, I like the first and the third. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

*It has been submitted to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADid_you_know&diff=297667396&oldid=297665544 DYK]. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotoosvanrobin/3082739432/] Freely licensed. Came up when I was investigating the subject of [[spice cake]] (new article). What is sea foam? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*No clue! I've never liked speculaas that much, BTW. Hey, I'm making [[english muffins]] as we speak. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Sherry Lansing]] ==

After working on [[Stanley R. Jaffe]], I could not leave Sherry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sherry_Lansing&diff=296998339&oldid=295088214 unreferenced] and open to deletion nomination by some editor too lazy to look for sources. So I did some major expansion of her awards and recognitions and sourced it fairly well. You decide which hook you wish for the Jaffe DYK? '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Opps. Just saw. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Wow, nice work, MQS, as always. Pleasure hanging out with you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== Got anything to hide? ==

So... when I finally prove my point by dissecting the issue, our conversation [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Drmies&diff=297740322&oldid=297730570 magically disappears]. [[Sarcasm|Good on ya!]] [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 15:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story

2009-06-21T15:21:04Z

InQuahogNeato: Aesthetically, the article has a picture for every segment - why remove this one? It's a reduced quality screenshot anyway.

{{Infobox Film
| name = Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story
| image = fguy_movie.png
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| director = [[Pete Michels]]
| producer = [[Kara Vallow]]
| writer = [[Gary Janetti]] [[Chris Sheridan (screenwriter)|Chris Sheridan]] [[Alex Borstein]] [[Steve Callaghan]]
| narrator =
| starring = [[Seth MacFarlane]] [[Alex Borstein]] [[Seth Green]] [[Mila Kunis]]
| music = [[Ron Jones (composer)|Ron Jones]]
| cinematography =
| editing = Mike Elias
| distributor = [[20th Century Fox]]
| released = September 27, 2005
| runtime = 88 minutes
| country = United States
| language = English
| budget =
| gross =
| preceded_by =
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{{Infobox Television episode
| Title = Stewie B. Goode/Bango Was His Name, Oh!/Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure
| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
| Writer = [[Gary Janetti]] and [[Chris Sheridan]] (1) [[Alex Borstein]] (2) [[Steve Callaghan]] (3)
| Director = Pete Michels
| Airdate = May 21, 2006
| Production = 4ACX05 4ACX06 4ACX07
| Episode list = [[List of Family Guy episodes]]
| Season list = {{Infobox Family Guy Season 4}}
}}

'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives. The prologue ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen trailers for fictional movies are run followed by a faux private message from a production member, then it cuts to the [[20th Century Fox]] logo.
==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

[[Image:FGStewieBGoode1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Peter's ''You Know What Really Grinds My Gears?'']]

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire jar of caffeine pills (being supposed to eat only one). Stewie and Brian still arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
{{Unreferenced section|date=April 2009}}
The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As foretold in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
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==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
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'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives. The prologue ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen trailers for fictional movies are run followed by a faux private message from a production member, then it cuts to the [[20th Century Fox]] logo.
==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire jar of caffeine pills (being supposed to eat only one). Stewie and Brian still arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
{{Unreferenced section|date=April 2009}}
The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As foretold in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
{{No footnotes|date=October 2008}}
{{reflist}}
==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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2009-06-21T15:15:44Z

InQuahogNeato: Read what's on the screen: "Jerry, if you're reading this, I had sex with Darlene. I'm sorry, man, I felt like this was the most appropriate way to tell you. See you at karaoke tonight."

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| music = [[Ron Jones (composer)|Ron Jones]]
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| Title = Stewie B. Goode/Bango Was His Name, Oh!/Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure
| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
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'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives. The prologue ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen trailers for fictional movies are run followed by a faux private message from a production member, then it cuts to the [[20th Century Fox]] logo.
==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire jar of caffeine pills (being supposed to eat only one). Stewie and Brian still arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
{{Unreferenced section|date=April 2009}}
The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As described in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
{{No footnotes|date=October 2008}}
{{reflist}}
==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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[[File:HaroldPinterKrappsLastTape.jpg|230px|thumb|right|This user likes drama made by real writers (shown: [[Harold Pinter]]), not by Wikipedia editors.]]
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== Remove the stench ==
[[Image:Disinfection liquid.JPG|200px|left|thumb|Disinfectant attached to a befouled RfA process]]This might be useful. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
*Hey, I just had a quick look at [[Clifton's Cafeteria]]--nice! Of course, I didn't check to see if your punctuation was plagiarized or not, which is entirely possible. I didn't know it was featured in ''[[On the Road]]'', which I read long, long before I ever came to the US (and so many things didn't make sense to me, but it did make for a different and probably valuable reading experience). Speaking of new things, I went to a baseball game tonight, for the first time in my life. The mascot, [[Montgomery Biscuits|Big Mo]], even came to our box--unfortunately just as my oldest daughter was on the playground, and the five-month old didn't seem to care, haha. But the fast food (and the [[fried chicken]] with [[biscuit]]s and [[white gravy]]) was pretty good, and fun, since I never eat that. And I had a couple of beers with my colleague, and forgot all about stuff for a couple of hours. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
**Spring in the homeland [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cermivelli/3462904487/]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
***Wow, nice... Thanks for that shot. The summer semester has started here, and I miss being home in the summer, doing (next to) nothing. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Thanks again ==
[[File:Biere Duvel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Try this.]]
As I promised myself I spent Sunday with my family, drank too much beer and even hosted a last minute BBQ (sorry you couldn't make it). I even managed to take a friend of mine to school in [[Mario Kart Wii|Mario Kart]]. I want to thank you again for nominating my for adminship in addition to all the other support you provided. As for my justification for withdrawal, I felt that the examples provided by BuddingJournalist/TwilligToves showed me that I need to focus on my content contributions before I am ready to branch out in other areas of responsibility. While my opinion was that Ottava's examples were taken out of context (as I showed), the larger ones were not. The decision was not based on whether or not I felt I was in violation of any policy or guideline it was something I felt was the right thing to do. My primary focus here is content and I need to have that down before I can advance further. As I explained I felt that Ottava's examples were enough to point out that I had some work to do but not enough to hang me from the proverbial [[yardarms]]. This is in regards to two issues (1) WP:PLAGIARISM was only promoted to a guideline on 20 May (or about 11 days ago), so I feel it is a little early to claim people are in violation of it (since nobody actually did say I was in violation of it I did not bring it up, but I felt the intention was there) (2) as you have stated (and I will bring up again), the definition is far too ambiguous to be used in any discussion regarding an editors actions, and based on that alone in my opinion the guideline does not hold water. I appreciated Ottava's assumption of good faith and his going neutral following my efforts to correct them. I am not sure which way the actual RfA would have gone if it had fully proceeded, and truthfully right now I do not want to think about it. Now I have some serious matters to get to, as I recall there was a request from Bongo to have an article written about some bug, and now that this and the bacon challenge are over I can get back to improving the encyclopedia, which is all I ever wanted to do. I am glad you got to a baseball game, I was at a [[Reno Aces]] game a few weeks ago, good times and a great park (brand new too). If you are in the area let me know and we can catch one. Cheers and happy editing. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:K, you are a nice guy, and a much better man than I am, I think. I agree absolutely on the two issues. I felt like tanking the whole WP thing, but there's too much work to be done. But right now I'm focusing on only one tiny little thing, one article, and am leaving the rest for what it is--I'm sure that won't be forever. (I did make some minor edits to that Barrock mine article, but didn't feel like removing the template yet--I don't want to appear to spiteful, and besides, who knows what the guidelines are?) As for BBQ, that's always a good thing. I enjoy cooking it more than eating it, haha. I got some hickory from Publix; earlier, I used scrap oak from various carpentry projects. Thanks for the note. You know you have made a ton of friends here on WP--just look at the list of names of supporters. Take it easy! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Strode Mansion]]==
Not sure how notable this subject is as it's on the campus of a school with subpar football team. But I thought you might want to have a look. GO TIGERS!!! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I came across [[naturist anarchism]], a subject I in which I believe you have great expertise. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh and here's one more for you [[The Applejacks (NL band)]], a Dutch band based on an American breakfast cereal. I prefer raisin bran. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:How's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Applejacks_(NL_band)&curid=23049569&diff=294007074&oldid=294005941 this edit summary] for irony?--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 19:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::Haha, nice, but am I expected to save this joint? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::As far as I can tell there aren't any Dutch bands that are notable. I hope that helps. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Tell that to [[Shocking Blue]]. Hey, Applejack might be less not-notable than I thought. I don't think there will be enough, but who knows...if they win [[The Next Stage]] this month in the [[Melkweg]]... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoM, you have a lot of nominating to do: [[:Category:Dutch musical groups]]. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 05:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Doc when you're done futzing with that Dutch [[garage band]], will you have a look at this edit to an article on one of your Democratic political buddies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Villaraigosa&curid=21347195&diff=294103426&oldid=294103125#cite_note-36]? Thanks mucho. I know you have the highest content, sourcing and NPOV standards. And I know I can count on you to ensure that we expose any sort of spin doctoring and covering up of cronyism between socialists and their big business allies who are bankrupting this country. Kudos! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 06:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dimitris Melissanidis ==

What do mean by "misspelling"? "Dimitris" and "Dimitrios" is the same name in Greek. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They are two articles for the same person. Take one and improve it. Take the other one and redirect to the other. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

==Art Walk==
here you go [http://www.flickr.com/photos/34815340@N06/3587366104/in/set-72157619171206542/] You can scroll through the rest of the shots from that link. Sorry about the delay. You and MQS have been very patient. There are more photos, but I hit the Flickr limit. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Nice! Nice trip, I'm jealous. Wish I could have joined you! Lots of cool things--I liked the Alessi display. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.webundies.com/nu030r2m.htm?AID=10273800&PID=2876692] What do you think? The end is near? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the end is near. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/S_Marshall| S Marshall RfA]] ==

I am a bit puzzled... since you nommed the candidate, do you intend to !vote for support? I don't see it yet. --'''''[[User:Stanistani|Stani]][[User talk:Stanistani|Stani ]]''''' 06:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Isn't it obvious that I support the candidate I nominate? Strongly? But it's all water under the bridge now. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Heads Up ==

Just in case you didn't know already. [[User:Dr. Blofeld]] has retired.--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 09:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Legend. That is not good news. Blofeld and I had a bit of fun together and produced some nice stuff. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like Dr. Blofeld will ever be coming back. I think he's gone forever....--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Angels on horseback ==

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== Strode House ==

I don't have anything helpful on the shelf, although I may be able to locate something. (There's a book I haven't had a chance to check yet.) I have weighed in on the AfD, and I think the consensus is strongly in favor of notability. — [[User:Alarob|ℜob C.]] ''alias'' [[User_talk:Alarob|'''ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ''']] 16:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Rob. Yeah, the status as a historical building ought to be enough, but I am also interested in seeing the article fleshed out a bit more. It ''is'' a beautiful, beautiful building. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of the Netherlands, I forgot to tell you that I watched a whole segment on [[European Journal]] about the collapsing pension system in the Netherlands. And it seems they are pushing back the reirement age to 67. Folks who bought into Al Gore's lock-box lie over here are likely in for a much worse surprise when they realize Uncle Sam has saved not a penny on their behalf. Good thing we shot down those personal accounts... ooops I mean "PRIVATIZED" social security system. Egads! :) My local weekly did a feature story on "bacon bits" including J&Ds lip balm, a car that runs on bacon (BioBlend Fuels) and the BA-K-47 from thisisfreakingridiculous.com. So the end will have to wait until next week. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah, I'm sure the Dutch are terrified at their coming doom, and will be running to apply for American citizenship. At least here you ''know'' you don't get jack! (Not even Applejack.) Maybe Uncle Sam can try to retrieve some of those cargo planes full of cash that dropped their contents on Iraq during the previous administration. Hey, I saw the AfD for the list of bacon dishes--funny how bacon really brings out the carnivores in a lot of WP editors! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those planes have been diverted for Obama's war games in Afghanistan. Here's a link for your weapon of choice [http://www.thisisfreakingridiculous.com/tifr/2009/4/13/ba-k-47.html]. And here's the EJ story [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4262386,00.html]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nice! Looks a lot better than my standard issue. Oh...Afghanistan...yes...I forgot...where we were fighting the "war on terror" until we started fighting the "war for Halliburton and Blackwater"... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Pfff. That's German news. It couldn't possibly be true. Ha, did you see the GM ads on TV, arguing that this is only the beginning of a new kind of car industry? This is getting too serious--time for football season to begin. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Didn't the majority leader in the Senate declare the war in Iraq lost some time ago? Government Motors is indeed the beginning of a very new car industry. And they're trying to implement the same operational structure on health care and the rest of the private sector as well. :) Football? We still have a ways to go. I wonder if your QB and Auburn's DB will make teams... Stay cool. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::When you guys are done talking politics and football can you swing by [[User:Kelapstick/Samuel L. Jackson filmography]] and see how it looks (same request posted on Bongo's talk page too). I trues when I show up in the morning it will look nothing as it does now? Thanks. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Only Love Can Break Your Heart==
Please stop removing the cover version from this article. "Some other band" (Saint Etienne's) version is notable enough to be included and to have an infobox, as it charted as a top-40 UK single and a number-one U.S. dance single. Song articles within Wikipedia include original versions, as well as notable covers and/or remixes. If you are going to make such a huge, sweeping change to an article, please take it up on the Talk Page first. Thanks. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think that it is against policy to keep them together; in fact I can give you a zillion examples of song articles that include more than one version of the same song.... although I'm sure you've seen quite a few throughout WP. I will, however, (if you'd like) assist in beefing up the Neil Young portion. I do agree that it is extremely lopsided (that extensive track list section probably isn't imperative) but that's not a reason to spin off the Saint Etienne part. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Eric, I'll keep it here, so we don't have to go back and forth all the time. The way I look at it, the Saint Etienne version ''is'' a spin-off, and so the article should be too, and, as I mentioned before, it deserves its own article. And part of the problem, besides the lopsidedness (which could be solved by editing and writing), is the double set of infoboxes, which I find confusing and esthetically not very pleasing, and the somewhat strange set of categories. Again, it seems to me that the article is about a song, by Neil Young, on ''After the Gold Rush'' (and the infobox should be, IMO, for "song" and not for "single"), sure, with one of those "for the hit by Saint Etienne, see [[etc.]]" lines at the top; and a no.1 hit single should get its own article. Combining them suggests that the Saint Etienne single isn't notable enough in its own right to have an article despite having been a no.1 hit. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I do see the point, but I look at it this way: an article is about a ''song''. Someone writes it, records it, puts it on an album, releases it as a single, has a hit. Lovely. Someone else records their interpretation, has another hit with it. And so on. All of this is part of the history of the song. i.e, in a perfect encyclopedia (I'm dreaming here) there would be info on the inspiration of the song, what went into recording it, maybe some chart info.... then (below) more on what made Artist #2 choose this song to record, how it was produced, etc. (all this assuming of course it meets notability guidelines). I think breaking things up causes more confusion. I do know that, years ago, this kind of thing got wayy out of control with articles being made about every cover version and remix out there (for example there was an article for Whitney Houston's version of "Star Spangled Banner" and Christine Aguilera's "Christmas Song", two songs covered by approximately 50 billion artists). So per the naming conventions at [[WP:SONG]], all of these articles marked as "(single)" were combined and named uniformly with "(song)". As far as the infobox is concerned, I do see how this could look gaudy to some people, but that's (I think) something that could be taken up in a different discussion with editors who would want to improve the look of infoboxes to make them flow better. Neil Young's version should have a single infobox because, well, it was a single. Saint Etienne's should also be there — both versions have varying degrees of success in different realms of the music world, no?
:::Take a look at some of these and just tell me what you think: granted some of these may also be "lopsided" but most of the time the combining works quite well: [[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]], [[The Passenger (song)]], [[Venus (Shocking Blue song)]], [[Valerie (The Zutons song)]], [[It's My Life (Talk Talk song)]], [[I'll Be There]]. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I see your point. That's not to say that I agree with you, cause that's not the kind of guy I am! Thanks for the links; I'll have a look and will get back to you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
←Speaking of cover versions, have you seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA this] artistic interpretation of a classic? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 23:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Bacon spam==
To all members of the bacon cabal: Did you know that there is a theory that the [[Voynich manuscript]] might be the long lost [[Voynich manuscript#Theories about authorship|Book of Bacon]] ? [[User:Spinningspark|'''SpinningSpark''']] 11:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, that's fantastic. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 12:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Trouble in paradise?==
Things are heating up for the European Parliament [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8084281.stm] with [[Geert Wilders]]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Dolly Rockers==

I was hoping that Astronaut might do the work of adding the references. I was waiting to see some effort in that direction, before I added the sources; apologies that you needed to add them. I've done some work on it now too. [[User:Fences and windows|Fences and windows]] ([[User talk:Fences and windows|talk]]) 16:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, you said the same thing that I've said at AfD many a times: "not my job." And then we go on to make it our jobs anyway! Thanks for helping save a notable article, and thanks for the note. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shift4 ==

I have responded to your message to me about the edits to the Shift4 page on the Discussion page for the Shift4 article. I would like to discuss this matter further, as I believe the edits I made to be valid and not vandalism. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.170.11.126|70.170.11.126]] ([[User talk:70.170.11.126|talk]]) 21:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

== You've got to see this ==

[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld]]--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE:How about this one? ==

The current templates on those two articles don't really deal with plagiarism, but with [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]], which are different and require admin attention (our copyright pages are ''policy'' while our plagiarism page is a guideline). (By the way, do you understand the difference between our copyright policy and the plagiarism guideline? Not meant to be a condescending question, but a legitimate and sincere inquiry [the two are confusing at times, I know]. It just seems that from my previous conversations with you, and your latest message on my talk page, you're mixing the two.) This is because all content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with [[GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GFDL]], even old versions of articles. Therefore, if there are any copyright violations, admins peruse the history of the article and delete the contributions that contain them. These templates are part of this set process, and I would be wary of touching them. I've never been a fan of how big and scary they look, but I assume it's due to the legal implications when dealing with copyvios; they were created long before I joined WP.

I believe the reason why editors are cautioned not to do further editing on the pages is to just make life easier for the admins who look into the articles, so they don't have to do more work in making sure revisions are free of copyvios. In any case, an admin should be along shortly to deal with these two articles. As stated in the instructions, anyone can continue working on the text elsewhere, such as a subpage in the talk namespace. Does that help?

By the way, if you can point me to a source that actually legitimizes the whole "citation but no quotation marks is OK" point of view, I'd be much obliged. I've seen some other editors too hold this point of view, but I still have no idea where this comes from. No definition/discussion of plagiarism I've encountered considers this to be OK. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 01:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
*I am aware of the difference, yes. Since neither of the two articles were simply copied from the sources (the charge at the relevant RfA was, I imagine, that they were too close to copyvio to be called legitimate paraphrase) you'd have to make a case for why they would be copyvios, and the answer suggested, though not provided (you were never explicit), was "they're too close to the source.". That can only mean that they are not paraphrased properly, but the yardstick for "proper paraphrase" is quite unclear. ([[WP:copyvio]] doesn't specifiy.) And by the way, I never said "citation but no quotation marks is OK." I was talking about ''attribution'' and every source I've ever looked at (see my comments [[User_talk:Ottava_Rima#plagiarism.2C_from_RfA|elsewhere]]) makes lack of attribution essential in the charge of plagiarism. That I talk about copyvio and plagiarism side-by-side is because a. they are related (no matter whether one thing is policy and the other guideline) and b. plenty of participants in the RfA accused the candidate of plagiarism (see Durova's comments, for instance).I note, by the way, that at the RfA you actually didn't specify what the issues were, precisely: you gave two sets of two passages, and I concluded that you ''meant'' to say that they were too close, so close that they should be called copyvio. But that also is a judgment call, and while I freely admit that in my opinion ''some'' (though not all) of those passages should have been paraphrased more in the author's own words, the rhetorical power of the copyvio template, which (and I repeat myself) I believe was applied unjustly, was such that the RfA was hijacked, in my opinion. Your use of ellipsis towards the end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kelapstick&diff=293437887&oldid=293427174 your comment] is telling in that respect. And that is why I said what I said. While I don't want to make light of the problem of copyright violations, I am still not convinced that that was what we were dealing with here--and we were certainly not dealing with plagiarism. Rather than ask me if I know the difference, I'd like for you to address my charge: that all-too-close paraphrase (a matter of judgment) does not automatically add up to a copyright violation, and that your pasting COPYVIO all over this candidacy helped damn it. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:*OK, for a moment I thought you were actually being serious on my talk page, but instead it looks like you're out here to bait me with your passive aggressive attacks. It's not going to work. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Twillig, you're not reading very carefully. I was being serious, and I'm not trying to be passive at all. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Seed swap ==

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:You put a lot of effort into saving some shack near U o Bama's campus, but nothing for [[Anarchist naturism]]? Now it's gone. So many people will be left in ignorance without coverage of this important subject. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, it's gone? (Was it ever there?) Yes, the shack is saved--did you see Alarob's comments at that AfD? I don't know what to think. Sorry about the naturism thing. Recreate it, why don't you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Bacon enthusiasts are known for breaking chairs, especially those of faulty design. Someone removed my cardboard chair pic from the [[cardboard]] article. Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== ''[[Hell Awaits]]'' you... ==

...we have heavy metal <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[WP:GENREWARRIOR|Genre Warrior]]: "you mean black metal, right?"] and hot girls! {{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 02:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, I can do with some hot girls! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Loki, what's that word that's misspoken? You can't just tease the reader like that! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Most of that you reorganized, was not written by me.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha, I'm glad--I wouldn't want to mess with you. But still, what's the word? Now I'm curious. Don't make me search the blogs and stuff... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::[http://rapidshare.com/files/62280605/Slayer_-_Hell_Awaits.rar Is this?]--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You can "save" [[Commercial Metal|this article]]? Also, thanks for answer my last reply.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'll have a look--but as you may know, Blackmetalbaz is my master metallurgian. I downloaded the file, but haven't listened to it yet, since I can't unpack it where I'm at. I'll get back to you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 19:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Haha, I don't think there's any saving that one. Good luck! Oh, I played that album in the car. Not bad, but anytime I want to hear something more or less like that I go to the [[Chaos AD|best thing]]. As for that misspelled word--I think that whole passage should be dropped from the article, since it's really a bit trivial, don't you think? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don't think. Ah, so you should listen to bands like: [[Meshuggah]], [[Ephel Duath (band)|Ephel Duath]], [[Deathspell Omega]], [[Sigh (band)|Sigh]]...; all different, but connected by their experimentalism. ([[Sepultura]] is a very experimental band) --[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 05:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::(Regarding [[Evangelion (album)#Preproduction, recording and production|''Evangelion'' (album)]]) Hi, you could take a look in this article, please.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 20:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::I carry a very blunt axe... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:{{=)|wink2}}--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 21:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

----
You could copy-edit this [[Dream Theater discography|list]]? Ah, you saw [[Talk:Hell Awaits|that]]? And the bands above, you listened?--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Cortez Gold Mine]]==
Hi. I see that you've expressed an interest in helping clean up this article, and it would be much appreciated, particularly if you have access to [http://www.miningmagazine.com/mine-of-the-month/cortez-hills--the-latest-chapter]. I can't view it. I can confirm that there is some duplication from [http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/cortez/], as with "the first simultaneous start-up of an underground and surface mine in Nevada", but I don't know what needs to be cleaned from the other source. Lacking access to it, if I am left to address it (and can't find somebody who ''can'' access it), I'm not going to have any option but to rewrite or remove the article. Can you help? (I'll be watching your talk page. Please let me know either way, since I'll be looking around for other resources if necessary.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Check your email, girl! I hope that helps. As you can see in the history, I did some of it already, but I don't know how well or if it was to satisfaction; I may not have been in the best frame of mind. Thanks for your help, and let me know what I can do. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. :) Given the complexity of the article, I probably won't be able to address it until tomorrow (getting late in my part of the world), but your assistance is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. It's not so late here, but I'm waiting for this cute little girl sitting next to me to go to bed (that is, when ''[[Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey|Homeward Bound]]'' is over). Drop me a line; I may have some time tomorrow in between classes. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I envy you. I've got ''[[Paul Blart: Mall Cop]]''. (sigh) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Can you undelete and stub-ify the Batu Hijau article please? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 01:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, I can't undelete a copyvio. The article was listed for a week as per process to allow contributors an opportunity to address it, but unfortunately nobody did so, and the copyright infringement was foundational, going all the way back to the first edit. There was no clean version to revert to. If you'd like to create a stub, I'd be happy to give you any non-GFDL infringing elements from the page, including categories or external links. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::the sources and info box are enough for me to rewrite it properly. Cheers. [[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 01:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::All right. I'll prop them in your userspace if you'd like. Note that I did also offer the template-blanked version back for a few days [[User_talk:Bongomatic#Your_note.2C_Drmies_page|at Bongomatic's talk page]]. I don't know if you read the template, but you are welcome to revise the article in the temporary space if you'd like, alone or in tandem. That stands for this one as well. All that matters is that problematic text be dealt with. If you have any questions about paraphrasing, I'd be happy to help you. I suspect you know quite a lot more about this subject than I do. (Sorry for parking on your talkpage, Drmies. :))--[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No that's fine--if I knew y'all were coming I'd made you coffee and baked some cakes. What is this, the first chapter of ''[[The Hobbit]]''? I did make some edits to Cortez, but then I read the template again and undid them. I looked at it one more time and now I think I know what I should have done...too complicated for me. Anyway, I'm happy--we're all on it, the article will be back in good shape, Shadow and all them found their way home (though my daughter was ''still'' crying cause he hurt his paw), my daughter is in bed, my phone-laptop-Bluetooth connection miraculously started working, and the coffee is ready. And the mall is safe from crime, I imagine. MRGirl, you're welcome here anytime. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha! [[Kristin Hersh]]! Haven't thought about her in forever. I used to have a tape (yes, a tape) of ''Hips and Makers'', with that creepy song with Michael Stipe. (That article needs a good scrubbing.) Guess I'll have to dig that up now, and find my old Walkman. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Having the template blanked version would be good, but either way is fine with me. I see Bongo commented on his talk as to a location. It is most appreciated. Also I will take a look at the offline refs of Cortez Hills tomorrow and make sure they are not in violation. I think I have the magazine on my desk still (under a large pile of paper). We watched ''[[Bedtime Stories (film)|Bedtime Stories]]'' last night, well worth it. Rock on.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 03:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::All right. It is so userfied. I appreciate your looking into the Cortez Hills article as well. I now have access to the material, so I can help as needed, but it is not my area of expertise. Editing, on the other hand, is (not Wikipedia; I mean it in the general sense), so please don't hesitate to let me know if you've found something you can't figure out how to put into your own words. Nevermind what I do with it off-Wiki, I've been doing it on Wiki every day for almost a year. :) Linguistics [[Rubic's Cube]]. ''Bedtime Stories'' was way better than ''Mall Cop''. :D [[User:Drmies|Drmies]], is Gandalf here yet? (I love that song. And it is creepy. If you haven't heard her lately, you should check out what 15 years of heavy smoking and not taking care of her throat have done. Her voice is incredibly textured.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 10:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Hey Doc, [[User:Kelapstick/Cortez Gold Mine]] and [[Batu Hijau mine]] are done (following a sprinkle of [[holy water]] on Cortez), so that monstrosity is finalized. Have yourself a drink, I will talk to you tomorrow.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Dahil Sa Iyo ==

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|On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#June 9 2009|June 9, 2009]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Dahil Sa Iyo]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].
|} [[User:Mifter|Mifter]] ([[User talk:Mifter|talk]]) 23:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Smile ==

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'''Drmies''', Sky Attacker has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! ''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
</div>--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Thanks Legend! I needed that after reading stuff at WP:ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::What did you read? Anything good? Do tell! I barely hear from you any more now that KBC2009 is over. So sad... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::That's cause I'm often on recent changes these days, and you never edit on anything but bureaucratic matters :/ I made a few comments on AfDs, and am doing cleanup on a couple of things. Well, another longtime contributor apparently left, an admin is threatened with being stripped, nothing new really. But it's always a bit sad to see WP editors yelling and getting worked up, on matters that often, from the outside looking in, seem trivial. Hey, I saw a minute of ''[[Chopped]]'' just now, and the loser seemed to have made [[chocolate covered bacon]] for his dessert. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I thought Blofield came back? Who left? I'm fighting for my Wikilife on bureaucratic matters kiddo. 1 revert per article per week? Which Admin is threatened with a stripping? Is it a cute one? I'll have to check out chopped. I'm thinking of setting up some sock accounts so I can become and Admin and get a seat on Arbcom. What do you think? Seriously though, none of this is trivial. It's all VERY important. They're trying to delete Auburn's 2010 football team before they even have a chance![http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_10#2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team] Tough times for all of us. Cheerios. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::And what happened to the Snake 'n Bake? I tried to tivo it but no luck. Is it gone forever? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Blofeld is back, but Stifle made a no-no, according to some, and Shoemaker's Holiday called it quits. And I didn't say it ''was'' trivial--I said it looked trivial from the outside. Our recent RfA adventures were FAR from trivial, but we were on the inside. And for Auburn: the biggest news there is the resignation of [[Bobby Lowder]]--and our article says nothing about the enormous amounts of gossip going around! And I don't know about Snake 'n' Bacon...I don't have that channel... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you can help determine the future of [[Animal love]] (safe for work... at least last I checked) and [[Jesse Dee]]. Stifle seems to be more reasonable than ever lately, although I don't think I see eye to eye with the kid. I'll have to look into that.

"From trivial, but we were on the inside"? What kind of yoda-speak is this? Have you been hanging out with my main man GTB? I take it you are high on life? :)
*No yoda--just forgot a word. Please note my correction of the grievous error, sir. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is 2010 this coming season or the following season? Anyway, "your" Lakers <s>are</s> were looking good <s>so far</s>. Not really a match-up that I find particularly interesting. Keep it real. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
*I assume you're being sympathetic. The commentators also tried to see the Lakers glass as half-full. My problem is that game 4 is played Sunday evening, and we're going camping in [[DeSoto State Park]], and I don't know if we'll be back home on time. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm VERY sympathetic. I hadn't realized they were playing last night, so I was commenting on the first two games until I found out they had lost. As success follows me everywhere, it won't be surprising when LA wins the championship. As for my Jets??? well... They're not much without me and Keyshawn now are they.[[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Another 3RR issue over at death metal==
One particular editor keeps reinserting the text regarding "brutal death metal" despite its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brutal death metal|deletion]]. They are clearly in breach of 3RR at this stage. Care to take a look? [[User:Blackmetalbaz|Blackmetalbaz]] ([[User talk:Blackmetalbaz|talk]]) 11:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw it yesterday. Did you report them? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just saw a picture on Facebook of an old friend of mine playing [[piano]] for [[Jan Peter Balkenende]], he (the PM) had on a weird tie.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I left before he was out of diapers. I'd never even heard of him, and I hope you won't mind if I don't put a picture of him up here! But...your friend plays piano for heads of state? That's not a bad gig! Was he tired of mining? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Never was in mining, always a [[Piano Man (song)|Piano Man]]. Actually I knew him long before I considered digging in the dirt. He's going to school in the Netherlands, music something, not sure how he got that gig put I would agree it is a pretty good one.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== first vs second treaty ==

Good error catch on the treaty with Mexico. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yours is infinitely more reliable. Like Wikipedia itself those less reputable websites are ok for giving you ideas, but its always best to get a second and more reliable source for web based facts. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/297926692.html?dids=297926692:297926692&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Apr+09%2C+1918&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=CARRANZA+GREETS+KING+OF+BELGIUM&pqatl=google King and Queen of Belgium visited Mexico in 1918] but I am about to go to bed, can you peek if you are still awake and see if you can find a better reference? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 06:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
*I found [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z3gLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5623,4213429&dq=carranza+king+of+belgium this]--I don't have access to old editions of the Monitor. As far as I can tell it wasn't a visit, just a telegram. Still, it was a telegram important enough to be reported on in ''[[The Evening Independent]]''--somewhat strange, really. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Cubs197|reply}}
I replied to you on my talk page.--[[User:Cubs197|Cubs197]] ([[User talk:Cubs197|talk]]) 05:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Red Deer ==

Curious, what pages are affected? I've found [[Red Deer, Alberta]], [[Red Deer]] the animal, and [[Red Deer (disambiguation)]], plus redirects to those pages. You're correct that I have tools that you don't: I can fix the move from Red deer (animal) to Red Deer. That's the only change that I can see that you can't fix; are there any others? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Is everything fixed, as far as you can see? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think so--thanks a lot for your help. I was afraid I had done more harm than good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

=="Intentional wrongdoers"==
You freaking cheaters! Isn't this de ja vus all over again? How is it that you don't win more with all these violations? Tsk tsk tsk. I hope this foul play doesn't reflect poorly on the devoted student athletes and high standards maintained by Auburn and other SEC schools. Should Bama be demoted to Div 2 for a while until they can get things in order? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Eeeeehhhhh...what are you talking about? Do I need to listen to talk radio more? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Hmm. OK. Well, at least it wasn't ALL the sports, just "softball, baseball, women's gymnastics, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, men's golf, women's golf, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's tennis, women's tennis, men's track and field, women's track and field, women's soccer and women's volleyball."<ref name="NCAA">{{cite news
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| work = [[Montgomery Advertiser]]
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| url = http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090611/NLETTER02/90611036
| accessdate = 2009-06-11}}</ref> Flag football and rugby seem to be squeaky clean, so that's a relief, and as "1solidrock" wrote on the ''[[Montgomery Advertiser]]'''s website, "Must be some Auburn, LSU, Tennessee influence somewhere on this supposed impartial panel."<ref name="NCAA"/> [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute. I just looked at the source you provided. This whole hoo hah is about free textbooks? Seriously? Ahahahahaha. USC players are getting nice cars and houses for their folks and you guys get busted for giving away textbooks to your athletes. Too funny. All is fair in love and war my friend. Go Tigers!!! :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===References===
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== a general thank you... ==

...to users Kelapstick, MuZemike, and Alansohn for keeping it clean. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Keeping what clean? This sounds dirty... What have you guys been up to? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Why wasn't Bynum in the game? Is Kobe allowed to elbow people in the face? He must have Admin status... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it was an exciting game. Howard should have made his free throws and the game would have been over in regulation. Cheerios. Congrats. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I even saw some of it. And Bynum was in the game, and yes, Kobe can do anything he likes! I was glad that Fisher had a couple of nice shots. (Clean: check the history of my user page, haha.) You doing alright? Plans for the weekend? Working on some bilateral relations perhaps? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
About floating is also a box? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
*This edit
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spekkoek&curid=8101897&diff=296445064&oldid=252769602] needs a check and some clean up ([[speculaas]] can be wikilinked too). One of your compatriots at work, I presume? I was doing some Google News checking on various old article subjects I've worked on and I see [[Kees Christiaanse]] is still in the news. Apparently he's involved in this and that, keeping the colonial legacy going in Indonesia and what have you. How do you find [[This Earth of Mankind]] so far? Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw this comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALugnuts&diff=296578104&oldid=296483724] and I thought you might like to help with the effort. If you guys stick to the notable ones it should only take a day or two at the most. I don't think there are more than 2 or 3. :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Warning templates ==

Not a dumb question at all. :) The reason it is confusing if because that template isn't meant to be used directly. Instead use:

<nowiki>{{</nowiki>subst:spam-warn|''page''|header=1<nowiki>}} ~~~~</nowiki>

where ''page'' is the page you placed the speedy tag on.

For convenience, the speedy template should have a ready made version that you can copy and paste near the bottom of it (after it has been added to an article).

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even better, Doctor, try using Twinkle and Friendly, which can now be installed though your gadgets settings at your preferences. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 18:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Floodplain (album)]] ==

Hi! Do you have the album? If so, could you please look what is written in the notes about Ram Narayan's involvement, if any, and tell me? That would be very kind. Thank you. [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 17:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. I don't have the album here so I'll have to get back to you. The [http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/floodplain Nonesuch website] has a little bit of information, but not what you're looking for, I think. There's a short paragraph for each song, and I'll see what it says. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! Please feel free to send me an email (link on my userpage). [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 00:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::You know, having the recording they took their version from, I'm sad no review commented on comparisons between the original versions and the covers. I've only found the four reviews though, do you know of any I didn't put in the infobox? [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 11:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Stanley R. Jaffe]] ==

I gave Sam a bit of expansion and sourcing. There is lots more out there. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 00:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Jason L. McCoy]] ==
I saw in the edit history that you were considering speedy for this page, but since no one has done that and the page has been up for a bit, I PRODded it; just letting you know. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks. I did consider it, but the guy is a mayor and I don't know if that makes him automatically notable. If you look through the various versions, though, you'll see quickly why I considered it. Thanks, Spaceman; I'll add the page to my watchlist. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I think being a mayor of a town of 25k people will probably get a pass from CSD, but he still doesn't qualify per either [[WP:Politician]] or [[WP:N]] from what I've been able to find, so I decided to PROD. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Yes sorry about that. You were too fast for me :-) --[[User:Jmh649|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*No problem at all. I should have realized, actually, that your name looked familiar to me and that I'd seen your edits (or maybe vandalism reverts) on a medical article a couple of months ago. Happy editing, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pick your hook.... ==

====Stanley R. Jaffe====

{{*mp}}... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' after resigning as president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1971 to found his own producton company, returned 20 years later in 1991 to be president of [[Paramount Communications]] and then replaced [[Brandon Tartikoff]] in 1992 as president of [[Paramount Pictures]] ?

:*'''ALT1''':... that after producing ''[[Goodbye, Columbus (film)|Goodby Columbus]]'', '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was appointed president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1970, only to resign in 1971 to form his own production company ?
:*'''ALT2''':... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was president of several different [[Paramount Pictures]] divisions, yet never held any one postion with them for more than 2 years ?
:*''Comment'': article a collaborative effort inspired by [[User:Drmies]]
Created by [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]), [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|MichaelQSchmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]). Self nom at 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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'''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Michael, I like the first and the third. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

*It has been submitted to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADid_you_know&diff=297667396&oldid=297665544 DYK]. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotoosvanrobin/3082739432/] Freely licensed. Came up when I was investigating the subject of [[spice cake]] (new article). What is sea foam? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*No clue! I've never liked speculaas that much, BTW. Hey, I'm making [[english muffins]] as we speak. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[WP:TRIVIA]] ==

Like many WP editors, you seem to be under a complete misapprehension of what "trivia" means: re-read the policy, it applies to the '''style''' of writing (bulleted list of various facts), not the '''content'''. If the section is well written in a form of prose, there is nothing wrong with having it. As for a search engine not being a reliable source – I've quoted two reliable sources that definitely back up the credibility of that engine (in this case, an answer providing forum). [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 01:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*Oh, I'm sorry--I thought the policy said "Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined"; and I thought that meant, for instance, that trivia sections should be avoided. If you think that search engines are reliable sources, then I doubt that reading [[WP:RS]] will do you much good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmm... looks like you didn't bother to read my response at all. "Trivia sections should be avoided" applies to '''''bulleted lists''''', not all sections labeled "trivia" – hence "''a better method of representation.''" If the section is written as prose it does not fall under that category in that specific guideline. The section can also be renamed. As for [[WP:RS]], there is no mentioning of search engines – neither there nor in [[WP:NOR]]. Please do correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 07:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I did, and I will again. You'll note that "trivia sections" means "trivia sections." The results of search engines cannot, by their very nature, be reliable sources. That such a statement calls for explanation is precisely what I meant by saying that reading [[WP:RS]] probably won't do you any good. You seem to fail to understand that a search engine may ''give'' you sources but isn't a source in its own right (except for information such as number of hits with that search engine, which is pretty trivial). I hope the phrase [[Garbage In, Garbage Out]] means anything to you. (Something similar applies to answer forums, which are just as unreliable as references.) Lastly, it boggles me that someone would cite the results of a search engine when that search engine can give you the actual reference. That's the kind of intellectual laziness that best befits ''[[Super Why!]]'' Why not just read the paper or a book to get some information? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::::OK, let's analyze your overview by putting facts together. First, pros:
::::#[[WP:NOR|Your personal opinion]] about non-reliability of search engines/answer forums as well as the definition of "trivia", backed up by [[WP:RS|absolutely nothing]] that can be cited as a WP policy.
::::#????
::::#Profit! [[Image:Smile.svg]]
::::On the other hand, let's see the cons:
::::#Quoting [[WP:TRIVIA]]: ''This [[WP:Manual of Style|style guideline]] deals with the way in which these facts are represented in an article, not with whether the information contained within them is actually trivia, or whether trivia belongs in Wikipedia.'' In other words, exactly what I wrote – style, not content.
::::#Both [[ESPN]] and the [[Wall Street Journal]] can be quoted recommending ChaCha as a good source of answers. Quoting [[WP:RS]]: ''How accepted, high-quality reliable sources use a given source provides evidence, positive or negative, for its reliability and reputation. The more widespread and consistent this use is, the stronger the evidence.'' In other words – good reputation=reliability.
::::#Quoting [[WP:NPOV]]: ''Editorial bias toward one particular point of view should be removed or repaired.'' In other words – and as I told you, this problem is deeply rooted within many WP editors – the personal judgment of what constitutes trivia (and whether it should be removed under these pretenses) does not belong on WP altogether.
::::So... no, in this case "trivia sections" does not mean [what you perceive as] "trivia sections." [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 13:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Sherry Lansing]] ==

After working on [[Stanley R. Jaffe]], I could not leave Sherry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sherry_Lansing&diff=296998339&oldid=295088214 unreferenced] and open to deletion nomination by some editor too lazy to look for sources. So I did some major expansion of her awards and recognitions and sourced it fairly well. You decide which hook you wish for the Jaffe DYK? '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Opps. Just saw. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Wow, nice work, MQS, as always. Pleasure hanging out with you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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== Remove the stench ==
[[Image:Disinfection liquid.JPG|200px|left|thumb|Disinfectant attached to a befouled RfA process]]This might be useful. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
*Hey, I just had a quick look at [[Clifton's Cafeteria]]--nice! Of course, I didn't check to see if your punctuation was plagiarized or not, which is entirely possible. I didn't know it was featured in ''[[On the Road]]'', which I read long, long before I ever came to the US (and so many things didn't make sense to me, but it did make for a different and probably valuable reading experience). Speaking of new things, I went to a baseball game tonight, for the first time in my life. The mascot, [[Montgomery Biscuits|Big Mo]], even came to our box--unfortunately just as my oldest daughter was on the playground, and the five-month old didn't seem to care, haha. But the fast food (and the [[fried chicken]] with [[biscuit]]s and [[white gravy]]) was pretty good, and fun, since I never eat that. And I had a couple of beers with my colleague, and forgot all about stuff for a couple of hours. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
**Spring in the homeland [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cermivelli/3462904487/]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
***Wow, nice... Thanks for that shot. The summer semester has started here, and I miss being home in the summer, doing (next to) nothing. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Thanks again ==
[[File:Biere Duvel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Try this.]]
As I promised myself I spent Sunday with my family, drank too much beer and even hosted a last minute BBQ (sorry you couldn't make it). I even managed to take a friend of mine to school in [[Mario Kart Wii|Mario Kart]]. I want to thank you again for nominating my for adminship in addition to all the other support you provided. As for my justification for withdrawal, I felt that the examples provided by BuddingJournalist/TwilligToves showed me that I need to focus on my content contributions before I am ready to branch out in other areas of responsibility. While my opinion was that Ottava's examples were taken out of context (as I showed), the larger ones were not. The decision was not based on whether or not I felt I was in violation of any policy or guideline it was something I felt was the right thing to do. My primary focus here is content and I need to have that down before I can advance further. As I explained I felt that Ottava's examples were enough to point out that I had some work to do but not enough to hang me from the proverbial [[yardarms]]. This is in regards to two issues (1) WP:PLAGIARISM was only promoted to a guideline on 20 May (or about 11 days ago), so I feel it is a little early to claim people are in violation of it (since nobody actually did say I was in violation of it I did not bring it up, but I felt the intention was there) (2) as you have stated (and I will bring up again), the definition is far too ambiguous to be used in any discussion regarding an editors actions, and based on that alone in my opinion the guideline does not hold water. I appreciated Ottava's assumption of good faith and his going neutral following my efforts to correct them. I am not sure which way the actual RfA would have gone if it had fully proceeded, and truthfully right now I do not want to think about it. Now I have some serious matters to get to, as I recall there was a request from Bongo to have an article written about some bug, and now that this and the bacon challenge are over I can get back to improving the encyclopedia, which is all I ever wanted to do. I am glad you got to a baseball game, I was at a [[Reno Aces]] game a few weeks ago, good times and a great park (brand new too). If you are in the area let me know and we can catch one. Cheers and happy editing. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:K, you are a nice guy, and a much better man than I am, I think. I agree absolutely on the two issues. I felt like tanking the whole WP thing, but there's too much work to be done. But right now I'm focusing on only one tiny little thing, one article, and am leaving the rest for what it is--I'm sure that won't be forever. (I did make some minor edits to that Barrock mine article, but didn't feel like removing the template yet--I don't want to appear to spiteful, and besides, who knows what the guidelines are?) As for BBQ, that's always a good thing. I enjoy cooking it more than eating it, haha. I got some hickory from Publix; earlier, I used scrap oak from various carpentry projects. Thanks for the note. You know you have made a ton of friends here on WP--just look at the list of names of supporters. Take it easy! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Strode Mansion]]==
Not sure how notable this subject is as it's on the campus of a school with subpar football team. But I thought you might want to have a look. GO TIGERS!!! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I came across [[naturist anarchism]], a subject I in which I believe you have great expertise. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh and here's one more for you [[The Applejacks (NL band)]], a Dutch band based on an American breakfast cereal. I prefer raisin bran. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:How's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Applejacks_(NL_band)&curid=23049569&diff=294007074&oldid=294005941 this edit summary] for irony?--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 19:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::Haha, nice, but am I expected to save this joint? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::As far as I can tell there aren't any Dutch bands that are notable. I hope that helps. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Tell that to [[Shocking Blue]]. Hey, Applejack might be less not-notable than I thought. I don't think there will be enough, but who knows...if they win [[The Next Stage]] this month in the [[Melkweg]]... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoM, you have a lot of nominating to do: [[:Category:Dutch musical groups]]. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 05:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Doc when you're done futzing with that Dutch [[garage band]], will you have a look at this edit to an article on one of your Democratic political buddies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Villaraigosa&curid=21347195&diff=294103426&oldid=294103125#cite_note-36]? Thanks mucho. I know you have the highest content, sourcing and NPOV standards. And I know I can count on you to ensure that we expose any sort of spin doctoring and covering up of cronyism between socialists and their big business allies who are bankrupting this country. Kudos! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 06:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dimitris Melissanidis ==

What do mean by "misspelling"? "Dimitris" and "Dimitrios" is the same name in Greek. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They are two articles for the same person. Take one and improve it. Take the other one and redirect to the other. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

==Art Walk==
here you go [http://www.flickr.com/photos/34815340@N06/3587366104/in/set-72157619171206542/] You can scroll through the rest of the shots from that link. Sorry about the delay. You and MQS have been very patient. There are more photos, but I hit the Flickr limit. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Nice! Nice trip, I'm jealous. Wish I could have joined you! Lots of cool things--I liked the Alessi display. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.webundies.com/nu030r2m.htm?AID=10273800&PID=2876692] What do you think? The end is near? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the end is near. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/S_Marshall| S Marshall RfA]] ==

I am a bit puzzled... since you nommed the candidate, do you intend to !vote for support? I don't see it yet. --'''''[[User:Stanistani|Stani]][[User talk:Stanistani|Stani ]]''''' 06:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Isn't it obvious that I support the candidate I nominate? Strongly? But it's all water under the bridge now. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Heads Up ==

Just in case you didn't know already. [[User:Dr. Blofeld]] has retired.--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 09:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Legend. That is not good news. Blofeld and I had a bit of fun together and produced some nice stuff. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like Dr. Blofeld will ever be coming back. I think he's gone forever....--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Angels on horseback ==

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== Strode House ==

I don't have anything helpful on the shelf, although I may be able to locate something. (There's a book I haven't had a chance to check yet.) I have weighed in on the AfD, and I think the consensus is strongly in favor of notability. — [[User:Alarob|ℜob C.]] ''alias'' [[User_talk:Alarob|'''ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ''']] 16:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Rob. Yeah, the status as a historical building ought to be enough, but I am also interested in seeing the article fleshed out a bit more. It ''is'' a beautiful, beautiful building. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of the Netherlands, I forgot to tell you that I watched a whole segment on [[European Journal]] about the collapsing pension system in the Netherlands. And it seems they are pushing back the reirement age to 67. Folks who bought into Al Gore's lock-box lie over here are likely in for a much worse surprise when they realize Uncle Sam has saved not a penny on their behalf. Good thing we shot down those personal accounts... ooops I mean "PRIVATIZED" social security system. Egads! :) My local weekly did a feature story on "bacon bits" including J&Ds lip balm, a car that runs on bacon (BioBlend Fuels) and the BA-K-47 from thisisfreakingridiculous.com. So the end will have to wait until next week. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah, I'm sure the Dutch are terrified at their coming doom, and will be running to apply for American citizenship. At least here you ''know'' you don't get jack! (Not even Applejack.) Maybe Uncle Sam can try to retrieve some of those cargo planes full of cash that dropped their contents on Iraq during the previous administration. Hey, I saw the AfD for the list of bacon dishes--funny how bacon really brings out the carnivores in a lot of WP editors! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those planes have been diverted for Obama's war games in Afghanistan. Here's a link for your weapon of choice [http://www.thisisfreakingridiculous.com/tifr/2009/4/13/ba-k-47.html]. And here's the EJ story [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4262386,00.html]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nice! Looks a lot better than my standard issue. Oh...Afghanistan...yes...I forgot...where we were fighting the "war on terror" until we started fighting the "war for Halliburton and Blackwater"... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Pfff. That's German news. It couldn't possibly be true. Ha, did you see the GM ads on TV, arguing that this is only the beginning of a new kind of car industry? This is getting too serious--time for football season to begin. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Didn't the majority leader in the Senate declare the war in Iraq lost some time ago? Government Motors is indeed the beginning of a very new car industry. And they're trying to implement the same operational structure on health care and the rest of the private sector as well. :) Football? We still have a ways to go. I wonder if your QB and Auburn's DB will make teams... Stay cool. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::When you guys are done talking politics and football can you swing by [[User:Kelapstick/Samuel L. Jackson filmography]] and see how it looks (same request posted on Bongo's talk page too). I trues when I show up in the morning it will look nothing as it does now? Thanks. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Only Love Can Break Your Heart==
Please stop removing the cover version from this article. "Some other band" (Saint Etienne's) version is notable enough to be included and to have an infobox, as it charted as a top-40 UK single and a number-one U.S. dance single. Song articles within Wikipedia include original versions, as well as notable covers and/or remixes. If you are going to make such a huge, sweeping change to an article, please take it up on the Talk Page first. Thanks. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think that it is against policy to keep them together; in fact I can give you a zillion examples of song articles that include more than one version of the same song.... although I'm sure you've seen quite a few throughout WP. I will, however, (if you'd like) assist in beefing up the Neil Young portion. I do agree that it is extremely lopsided (that extensive track list section probably isn't imperative) but that's not a reason to spin off the Saint Etienne part. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Eric, I'll keep it here, so we don't have to go back and forth all the time. The way I look at it, the Saint Etienne version ''is'' a spin-off, and so the article should be too, and, as I mentioned before, it deserves its own article. And part of the problem, besides the lopsidedness (which could be solved by editing and writing), is the double set of infoboxes, which I find confusing and esthetically not very pleasing, and the somewhat strange set of categories. Again, it seems to me that the article is about a song, by Neil Young, on ''After the Gold Rush'' (and the infobox should be, IMO, for "song" and not for "single"), sure, with one of those "for the hit by Saint Etienne, see [[etc.]]" lines at the top; and a no.1 hit single should get its own article. Combining them suggests that the Saint Etienne single isn't notable enough in its own right to have an article despite having been a no.1 hit. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I do see the point, but I look at it this way: an article is about a ''song''. Someone writes it, records it, puts it on an album, releases it as a single, has a hit. Lovely. Someone else records their interpretation, has another hit with it. And so on. All of this is part of the history of the song. i.e, in a perfect encyclopedia (I'm dreaming here) there would be info on the inspiration of the song, what went into recording it, maybe some chart info.... then (below) more on what made Artist #2 choose this song to record, how it was produced, etc. (all this assuming of course it meets notability guidelines). I think breaking things up causes more confusion. I do know that, years ago, this kind of thing got wayy out of control with articles being made about every cover version and remix out there (for example there was an article for Whitney Houston's version of "Star Spangled Banner" and Christine Aguilera's "Christmas Song", two songs covered by approximately 50 billion artists). So per the naming conventions at [[WP:SONG]], all of these articles marked as "(single)" were combined and named uniformly with "(song)". As far as the infobox is concerned, I do see how this could look gaudy to some people, but that's (I think) something that could be taken up in a different discussion with editors who would want to improve the look of infoboxes to make them flow better. Neil Young's version should have a single infobox because, well, it was a single. Saint Etienne's should also be there — both versions have varying degrees of success in different realms of the music world, no?
:::Take a look at some of these and just tell me what you think: granted some of these may also be "lopsided" but most of the time the combining works quite well: [[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]], [[The Passenger (song)]], [[Venus (Shocking Blue song)]], [[Valerie (The Zutons song)]], [[It's My Life (Talk Talk song)]], [[I'll Be There]]. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I see your point. That's not to say that I agree with you, cause that's not the kind of guy I am! Thanks for the links; I'll have a look and will get back to you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
←Speaking of cover versions, have you seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA this] artistic interpretation of a classic? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 23:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Bacon spam==
To all members of the bacon cabal: Did you know that there is a theory that the [[Voynich manuscript]] might be the long lost [[Voynich manuscript#Theories about authorship|Book of Bacon]] ? [[User:Spinningspark|'''SpinningSpark''']] 11:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, that's fantastic. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 12:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Trouble in paradise?==
Things are heating up for the European Parliament [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8084281.stm] with [[Geert Wilders]]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Dolly Rockers==

I was hoping that Astronaut might do the work of adding the references. I was waiting to see some effort in that direction, before I added the sources; apologies that you needed to add them. I've done some work on it now too. [[User:Fences and windows|Fences and windows]] ([[User talk:Fences and windows|talk]]) 16:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, you said the same thing that I've said at AfD many a times: "not my job." And then we go on to make it our jobs anyway! Thanks for helping save a notable article, and thanks for the note. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shift4 ==

I have responded to your message to me about the edits to the Shift4 page on the Discussion page for the Shift4 article. I would like to discuss this matter further, as I believe the edits I made to be valid and not vandalism. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.170.11.126|70.170.11.126]] ([[User talk:70.170.11.126|talk]]) 21:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

== You've got to see this ==

[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld]]--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE:How about this one? ==

The current templates on those two articles don't really deal with plagiarism, but with [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]], which are different and require admin attention (our copyright pages are ''policy'' while our plagiarism page is a guideline). (By the way, do you understand the difference between our copyright policy and the plagiarism guideline? Not meant to be a condescending question, but a legitimate and sincere inquiry [the two are confusing at times, I know]. It just seems that from my previous conversations with you, and your latest message on my talk page, you're mixing the two.) This is because all content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with [[GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GFDL]], even old versions of articles. Therefore, if there are any copyright violations, admins peruse the history of the article and delete the contributions that contain them. These templates are part of this set process, and I would be wary of touching them. I've never been a fan of how big and scary they look, but I assume it's due to the legal implications when dealing with copyvios; they were created long before I joined WP.

I believe the reason why editors are cautioned not to do further editing on the pages is to just make life easier for the admins who look into the articles, so they don't have to do more work in making sure revisions are free of copyvios. In any case, an admin should be along shortly to deal with these two articles. As stated in the instructions, anyone can continue working on the text elsewhere, such as a subpage in the talk namespace. Does that help?

By the way, if you can point me to a source that actually legitimizes the whole "citation but no quotation marks is OK" point of view, I'd be much obliged. I've seen some other editors too hold this point of view, but I still have no idea where this comes from. No definition/discussion of plagiarism I've encountered considers this to be OK. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 01:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
*I am aware of the difference, yes. Since neither of the two articles were simply copied from the sources (the charge at the relevant RfA was, I imagine, that they were too close to copyvio to be called legitimate paraphrase) you'd have to make a case for why they would be copyvios, and the answer suggested, though not provided (you were never explicit), was "they're too close to the source.". That can only mean that they are not paraphrased properly, but the yardstick for "proper paraphrase" is quite unclear. ([[WP:copyvio]] doesn't specifiy.) And by the way, I never said "citation but no quotation marks is OK." I was talking about ''attribution'' and every source I've ever looked at (see my comments [[User_talk:Ottava_Rima#plagiarism.2C_from_RfA|elsewhere]]) makes lack of attribution essential in the charge of plagiarism. That I talk about copyvio and plagiarism side-by-side is because a. they are related (no matter whether one thing is policy and the other guideline) and b. plenty of participants in the RfA accused the candidate of plagiarism (see Durova's comments, for instance).I note, by the way, that at the RfA you actually didn't specify what the issues were, precisely: you gave two sets of two passages, and I concluded that you ''meant'' to say that they were too close, so close that they should be called copyvio. But that also is a judgment call, and while I freely admit that in my opinion ''some'' (though not all) of those passages should have been paraphrased more in the author's own words, the rhetorical power of the copyvio template, which (and I repeat myself) I believe was applied unjustly, was such that the RfA was hijacked, in my opinion. Your use of ellipsis towards the end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kelapstick&diff=293437887&oldid=293427174 your comment] is telling in that respect. And that is why I said what I said. While I don't want to make light of the problem of copyright violations, I am still not convinced that that was what we were dealing with here--and we were certainly not dealing with plagiarism. Rather than ask me if I know the difference, I'd like for you to address my charge: that all-too-close paraphrase (a matter of judgment) does not automatically add up to a copyright violation, and that your pasting COPYVIO all over this candidacy helped damn it. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:*OK, for a moment I thought you were actually being serious on my talk page, but instead it looks like you're out here to bait me with your passive aggressive attacks. It's not going to work. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Twillig, you're not reading very carefully. I was being serious, and I'm not trying to be passive at all. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Seed swap ==

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:You put a lot of effort into saving some shack near U o Bama's campus, but nothing for [[Anarchist naturism]]? Now it's gone. So many people will be left in ignorance without coverage of this important subject. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, it's gone? (Was it ever there?) Yes, the shack is saved--did you see Alarob's comments at that AfD? I don't know what to think. Sorry about the naturism thing. Recreate it, why don't you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Bacon enthusiasts are known for breaking chairs, especially those of faulty design. Someone removed my cardboard chair pic from the [[cardboard]] article. Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== ''[[Hell Awaits]]'' you... ==

...we have heavy metal <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[WP:GENREWARRIOR|Genre Warrior]]: "you mean black metal, right?"] and hot girls! {{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 02:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, I can do with some hot girls! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Loki, what's that word that's misspoken? You can't just tease the reader like that! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Most of that you reorganized, was not written by me.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha, I'm glad--I wouldn't want to mess with you. But still, what's the word? Now I'm curious. Don't make me search the blogs and stuff... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::[http://rapidshare.com/files/62280605/Slayer_-_Hell_Awaits.rar Is this?]--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You can "save" [[Commercial Metal|this article]]? Also, thanks for answer my last reply.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'll have a look--but as you may know, Blackmetalbaz is my master metallurgian. I downloaded the file, but haven't listened to it yet, since I can't unpack it where I'm at. I'll get back to you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 19:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Haha, I don't think there's any saving that one. Good luck! Oh, I played that album in the car. Not bad, but anytime I want to hear something more or less like that I go to the [[Chaos AD|best thing]]. As for that misspelled word--I think that whole passage should be dropped from the article, since it's really a bit trivial, don't you think? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don't think. Ah, so you should listen to bands like: [[Meshuggah]], [[Ephel Duath (band)|Ephel Duath]], [[Deathspell Omega]], [[Sigh (band)|Sigh]]...; all different, but connected by their experimentalism. ([[Sepultura]] is a very experimental band) --[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 05:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::(Regarding [[Evangelion (album)#Preproduction, recording and production|''Evangelion'' (album)]]) Hi, you could take a look in this article, please.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 20:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::I carry a very blunt axe... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:{{=)|wink2}}--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 21:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

----
You could copy-edit this [[Dream Theater discography|list]]? Ah, you saw [[Talk:Hell Awaits|that]]? And the bands above, you listened?--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Cortez Gold Mine]]==
Hi. I see that you've expressed an interest in helping clean up this article, and it would be much appreciated, particularly if you have access to [http://www.miningmagazine.com/mine-of-the-month/cortez-hills--the-latest-chapter]. I can't view it. I can confirm that there is some duplication from [http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/cortez/], as with "the first simultaneous start-up of an underground and surface mine in Nevada", but I don't know what needs to be cleaned from the other source. Lacking access to it, if I am left to address it (and can't find somebody who ''can'' access it), I'm not going to have any option but to rewrite or remove the article. Can you help? (I'll be watching your talk page. Please let me know either way, since I'll be looking around for other resources if necessary.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Check your email, girl! I hope that helps. As you can see in the history, I did some of it already, but I don't know how well or if it was to satisfaction; I may not have been in the best frame of mind. Thanks for your help, and let me know what I can do. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. :) Given the complexity of the article, I probably won't be able to address it until tomorrow (getting late in my part of the world), but your assistance is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. It's not so late here, but I'm waiting for this cute little girl sitting next to me to go to bed (that is, when ''[[Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey|Homeward Bound]]'' is over). Drop me a line; I may have some time tomorrow in between classes. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I envy you. I've got ''[[Paul Blart: Mall Cop]]''. (sigh) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Can you undelete and stub-ify the Batu Hijau article please? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 01:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, I can't undelete a copyvio. The article was listed for a week as per process to allow contributors an opportunity to address it, but unfortunately nobody did so, and the copyright infringement was foundational, going all the way back to the first edit. There was no clean version to revert to. If you'd like to create a stub, I'd be happy to give you any non-GFDL infringing elements from the page, including categories or external links. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::the sources and info box are enough for me to rewrite it properly. Cheers. [[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 01:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::All right. I'll prop them in your userspace if you'd like. Note that I did also offer the template-blanked version back for a few days [[User_talk:Bongomatic#Your_note.2C_Drmies_page|at Bongomatic's talk page]]. I don't know if you read the template, but you are welcome to revise the article in the temporary space if you'd like, alone or in tandem. That stands for this one as well. All that matters is that problematic text be dealt with. If you have any questions about paraphrasing, I'd be happy to help you. I suspect you know quite a lot more about this subject than I do. (Sorry for parking on your talkpage, Drmies. :))--[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No that's fine--if I knew y'all were coming I'd made you coffee and baked some cakes. What is this, the first chapter of ''[[The Hobbit]]''? I did make some edits to Cortez, but then I read the template again and undid them. I looked at it one more time and now I think I know what I should have done...too complicated for me. Anyway, I'm happy--we're all on it, the article will be back in good shape, Shadow and all them found their way home (though my daughter was ''still'' crying cause he hurt his paw), my daughter is in bed, my phone-laptop-Bluetooth connection miraculously started working, and the coffee is ready. And the mall is safe from crime, I imagine. MRGirl, you're welcome here anytime. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha! [[Kristin Hersh]]! Haven't thought about her in forever. I used to have a tape (yes, a tape) of ''Hips and Makers'', with that creepy song with Michael Stipe. (That article needs a good scrubbing.) Guess I'll have to dig that up now, and find my old Walkman. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Having the template blanked version would be good, but either way is fine with me. I see Bongo commented on his talk as to a location. It is most appreciated. Also I will take a look at the offline refs of Cortez Hills tomorrow and make sure they are not in violation. I think I have the magazine on my desk still (under a large pile of paper). We watched ''[[Bedtime Stories (film)|Bedtime Stories]]'' last night, well worth it. Rock on.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 03:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::All right. It is so userfied. I appreciate your looking into the Cortez Hills article as well. I now have access to the material, so I can help as needed, but it is not my area of expertise. Editing, on the other hand, is (not Wikipedia; I mean it in the general sense), so please don't hesitate to let me know if you've found something you can't figure out how to put into your own words. Nevermind what I do with it off-Wiki, I've been doing it on Wiki every day for almost a year. :) Linguistics [[Rubic's Cube]]. ''Bedtime Stories'' was way better than ''Mall Cop''. :D [[User:Drmies|Drmies]], is Gandalf here yet? (I love that song. And it is creepy. If you haven't heard her lately, you should check out what 15 years of heavy smoking and not taking care of her throat have done. Her voice is incredibly textured.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 10:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Hey Doc, [[User:Kelapstick/Cortez Gold Mine]] and [[Batu Hijau mine]] are done (following a sprinkle of [[holy water]] on Cortez), so that monstrosity is finalized. Have yourself a drink, I will talk to you tomorrow.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Dahil Sa Iyo ==

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== Smile ==

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'''Drmies''', Sky Attacker has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! ''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
</div>--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Thanks Legend! I needed that after reading stuff at WP:ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::What did you read? Anything good? Do tell! I barely hear from you any more now that KBC2009 is over. So sad... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::That's cause I'm often on recent changes these days, and you never edit on anything but bureaucratic matters :/ I made a few comments on AfDs, and am doing cleanup on a couple of things. Well, another longtime contributor apparently left, an admin is threatened with being stripped, nothing new really. But it's always a bit sad to see WP editors yelling and getting worked up, on matters that often, from the outside looking in, seem trivial. Hey, I saw a minute of ''[[Chopped]]'' just now, and the loser seemed to have made [[chocolate covered bacon]] for his dessert. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I thought Blofield came back? Who left? I'm fighting for my Wikilife on bureaucratic matters kiddo. 1 revert per article per week? Which Admin is threatened with a stripping? Is it a cute one? I'll have to check out chopped. I'm thinking of setting up some sock accounts so I can become and Admin and get a seat on Arbcom. What do you think? Seriously though, none of this is trivial. It's all VERY important. They're trying to delete Auburn's 2010 football team before they even have a chance![http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_10#2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team] Tough times for all of us. Cheerios. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::And what happened to the Snake 'n Bake? I tried to tivo it but no luck. Is it gone forever? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Blofeld is back, but Stifle made a no-no, according to some, and Shoemaker's Holiday called it quits. And I didn't say it ''was'' trivial--I said it looked trivial from the outside. Our recent RfA adventures were FAR from trivial, but we were on the inside. And for Auburn: the biggest news there is the resignation of [[Bobby Lowder]]--and our article says nothing about the enormous amounts of gossip going around! And I don't know about Snake 'n' Bacon...I don't have that channel... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you can help determine the future of [[Animal love]] (safe for work... at least last I checked) and [[Jesse Dee]]. Stifle seems to be more reasonable than ever lately, although I don't think I see eye to eye with the kid. I'll have to look into that.

"From trivial, but we were on the inside"? What kind of yoda-speak is this? Have you been hanging out with my main man GTB? I take it you are high on life? :)
*No yoda--just forgot a word. Please note my correction of the grievous error, sir. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is 2010 this coming season or the following season? Anyway, "your" Lakers <s>are</s> were looking good <s>so far</s>. Not really a match-up that I find particularly interesting. Keep it real. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
*I assume you're being sympathetic. The commentators also tried to see the Lakers glass as half-full. My problem is that game 4 is played Sunday evening, and we're going camping in [[DeSoto State Park]], and I don't know if we'll be back home on time. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm VERY sympathetic. I hadn't realized they were playing last night, so I was commenting on the first two games until I found out they had lost. As success follows me everywhere, it won't be surprising when LA wins the championship. As for my Jets??? well... They're not much without me and Keyshawn now are they.[[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Another 3RR issue over at death metal==
One particular editor keeps reinserting the text regarding "brutal death metal" despite its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brutal death metal|deletion]]. They are clearly in breach of 3RR at this stage. Care to take a look? [[User:Blackmetalbaz|Blackmetalbaz]] ([[User talk:Blackmetalbaz|talk]]) 11:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw it yesterday. Did you report them? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just saw a picture on Facebook of an old friend of mine playing [[piano]] for [[Jan Peter Balkenende]], he (the PM) had on a weird tie.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I left before he was out of diapers. I'd never even heard of him, and I hope you won't mind if I don't put a picture of him up here! But...your friend plays piano for heads of state? That's not a bad gig! Was he tired of mining? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Never was in mining, always a [[Piano Man (song)|Piano Man]]. Actually I knew him long before I considered digging in the dirt. He's going to school in the Netherlands, music something, not sure how he got that gig put I would agree it is a pretty good one.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== first vs second treaty ==

Good error catch on the treaty with Mexico. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yours is infinitely more reliable. Like Wikipedia itself those less reputable websites are ok for giving you ideas, but its always best to get a second and more reliable source for web based facts. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/297926692.html?dids=297926692:297926692&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Apr+09%2C+1918&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=CARRANZA+GREETS+KING+OF+BELGIUM&pqatl=google King and Queen of Belgium visited Mexico in 1918] but I am about to go to bed, can you peek if you are still awake and see if you can find a better reference? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 06:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
*I found [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z3gLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5623,4213429&dq=carranza+king+of+belgium this]--I don't have access to old editions of the Monitor. As far as I can tell it wasn't a visit, just a telegram. Still, it was a telegram important enough to be reported on in ''[[The Evening Independent]]''--somewhat strange, really. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Cubs197|reply}}
I replied to you on my talk page.--[[User:Cubs197|Cubs197]] ([[User talk:Cubs197|talk]]) 05:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Red Deer ==

Curious, what pages are affected? I've found [[Red Deer, Alberta]], [[Red Deer]] the animal, and [[Red Deer (disambiguation)]], plus redirects to those pages. You're correct that I have tools that you don't: I can fix the move from Red deer (animal) to Red Deer. That's the only change that I can see that you can't fix; are there any others? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Is everything fixed, as far as you can see? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think so--thanks a lot for your help. I was afraid I had done more harm than good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

=="Intentional wrongdoers"==
You freaking cheaters! Isn't this de ja vus all over again? How is it that you don't win more with all these violations? Tsk tsk tsk. I hope this foul play doesn't reflect poorly on the devoted student athletes and high standards maintained by Auburn and other SEC schools. Should Bama be demoted to Div 2 for a while until they can get things in order? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Eeeeehhhhh...what are you talking about? Do I need to listen to talk radio more? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Hmm. OK. Well, at least it wasn't ALL the sports, just "softball, baseball, women's gymnastics, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, men's golf, women's golf, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's tennis, women's tennis, men's track and field, women's track and field, women's soccer and women's volleyball."<ref name="NCAA">{{cite news
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| work = [[Montgomery Advertiser]]
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| url = http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090611/NLETTER02/90611036
| accessdate = 2009-06-11}}</ref> Flag football and rugby seem to be squeaky clean, so that's a relief, and as "1solidrock" wrote on the ''[[Montgomery Advertiser]]'''s website, "Must be some Auburn, LSU, Tennessee influence somewhere on this supposed impartial panel."<ref name="NCAA"/> [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute. I just looked at the source you provided. This whole hoo hah is about free textbooks? Seriously? Ahahahahaha. USC players are getting nice cars and houses for their folks and you guys get busted for giving away textbooks to your athletes. Too funny. All is fair in love and war my friend. Go Tigers!!! :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===References===
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== a general thank you... ==

...to users Kelapstick, MuZemike, and Alansohn for keeping it clean. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Keeping what clean? This sounds dirty... What have you guys been up to? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Why wasn't Bynum in the game? Is Kobe allowed to elbow people in the face? He must have Admin status... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it was an exciting game. Howard should have made his free throws and the game would have been over in regulation. Cheerios. Congrats. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I even saw some of it. And Bynum was in the game, and yes, Kobe can do anything he likes! I was glad that Fisher had a couple of nice shots. (Clean: check the history of my user page, haha.) You doing alright? Plans for the weekend? Working on some bilateral relations perhaps? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
About floating is also a box? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
*This edit
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spekkoek&curid=8101897&diff=296445064&oldid=252769602] needs a check and some clean up ([[speculaas]] can be wikilinked too). One of your compatriots at work, I presume? I was doing some Google News checking on various old article subjects I've worked on and I see [[Kees Christiaanse]] is still in the news. Apparently he's involved in this and that, keeping the colonial legacy going in Indonesia and what have you. How do you find [[This Earth of Mankind]] so far? Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw this comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALugnuts&diff=296578104&oldid=296483724] and I thought you might like to help with the effort. If you guys stick to the notable ones it should only take a day or two at the most. I don't think there are more than 2 or 3. :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Warning templates ==

Not a dumb question at all. :) The reason it is confusing if because that template isn't meant to be used directly. Instead use:

<nowiki>{{</nowiki>subst:spam-warn|''page''|header=1<nowiki>}} ~~~~</nowiki>

where ''page'' is the page you placed the speedy tag on.

For convenience, the speedy template should have a ready made version that you can copy and paste near the bottom of it (after it has been added to an article).

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even better, Doctor, try using Twinkle and Friendly, which can now be installed though your gadgets settings at your preferences. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 18:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Floodplain (album)]] ==

Hi! Do you have the album? If so, could you please look what is written in the notes about Ram Narayan's involvement, if any, and tell me? That would be very kind. Thank you. [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 17:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. I don't have the album here so I'll have to get back to you. The [http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/floodplain Nonesuch website] has a little bit of information, but not what you're looking for, I think. There's a short paragraph for each song, and I'll see what it says. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! Please feel free to send me an email (link on my userpage). [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 00:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::You know, having the recording they took their version from, I'm sad no review commented on comparisons between the original versions and the covers. I've only found the four reviews though, do you know of any I didn't put in the infobox? [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 11:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Stanley R. Jaffe]] ==

I gave Sam a bit of expansion and sourcing. There is lots more out there. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 00:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Jason L. McCoy]] ==
I saw in the edit history that you were considering speedy for this page, but since no one has done that and the page has been up for a bit, I PRODded it; just letting you know. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks. I did consider it, but the guy is a mayor and I don't know if that makes him automatically notable. If you look through the various versions, though, you'll see quickly why I considered it. Thanks, Spaceman; I'll add the page to my watchlist. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I think being a mayor of a town of 25k people will probably get a pass from CSD, but he still doesn't qualify per either [[WP:Politician]] or [[WP:N]] from what I've been able to find, so I decided to PROD. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Yes sorry about that. You were too fast for me :-) --[[User:Jmh649|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*No problem at all. I should have realized, actually, that your name looked familiar to me and that I'd seen your edits (or maybe vandalism reverts) on a medical article a couple of months ago. Happy editing, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pick your hook.... ==

====Stanley R. Jaffe====

{{*mp}}... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' after resigning as president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1971 to found his own producton company, returned 20 years later in 1991 to be president of [[Paramount Communications]] and then replaced [[Brandon Tartikoff]] in 1992 as president of [[Paramount Pictures]] ?

:*'''ALT1''':... that after producing ''[[Goodbye, Columbus (film)|Goodby Columbus]]'', '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was appointed president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1970, only to resign in 1971 to form his own production company ?
:*'''ALT2''':... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was president of several different [[Paramount Pictures]] divisions, yet never held any one postion with them for more than 2 years ?
:*''Comment'': article a collaborative effort inspired by [[User:Drmies]]
Created by [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]), [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|MichaelQSchmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]). Self nom at 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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'''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Michael, I like the first and the third. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

*It has been submitted to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADid_you_know&diff=297667396&oldid=297665544 DYK]. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotoosvanrobin/3082739432/] Freely licensed. Came up when I was investigating the subject of [[spice cake]] (new article). What is sea foam? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*No clue! I've never liked speculaas that much, BTW. Hey, I'm making [[english muffins]] as we speak. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[WP:TRIVIA]] ==

Like many WP editors, you seem to be under a complete misapprehension of what "trivia" means: re-read the policy, it applies to the '''style''' of writing (bulleted list of various facts), not the '''content'''. If the section is well written in a form of prose, there is nothing wrong with having it. As for a search engine not being a reliable source – I've quoted two reliable sources that definitely back up the credibility of that engine (in this case, an answer providing forum). [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 01:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*Oh, I'm sorry--I thought the policy said "Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined"; and I thought that meant, for instance, that trivia sections should be avoided. If you think that search engines are reliable sources, then I doubt that reading [[WP:RS]] will do you much good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmm... looks like you didn't bother to read my response at all. "Trivia sections should be avoided" applies to '''''bulleted lists''''', not all sections labeled "trivia" – hence "''a better method of representation.''" If the section is written as prose it does not fall under that category in that specific guideline. The section can also be renamed. As for [[WP:RS]], there is no mentioning of search engines – neither there nor in [[WP:NOR]]. Please do correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 07:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I did, and I will again. You'll note that "trivia sections" means "trivia sections." The results of search engines cannot, by their very nature, be reliable sources. That such a statement calls for explanation is precisely what I meant by saying that reading [[WP:RS]] probably won't do you any good. You seem to fail to understand that a search engine may ''give'' you sources but isn't a source in its own right (except for information such as number of hits with that search engine, which is pretty trivial). I hope the phrase [[Garbage In, Garbage Out]] means anything to you. (Something similar applies to answer forums, which are just as unreliable as references.) Lastly, it boggles me that someone would cite the results of a search engine when that search engine can give you the actual reference. That's the kind of intellectual laziness that best befits ''[[Super Why!]]'' Why not just read the paper or a book to get some information? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::::OK, let's analyze your overview by putting facts together. First, pros:
::::#[[WP:NOR|Your personal opinion]] about non-reliability of search engines/answer forums as well as the definition of "trivia", backed up by [[WP:RS|absolutely nothing]] that can be cited as a WP policy.
::::#????
::::#Profit! [[Image:Smile.svg]]
::::On the other hand, let's see the cons:
::::#Quoting [[WP:TRIVIA]]: ''This [[WP:Manual of Style|style guideline]] deals with the way in which these facts are represented in an article, not with whether the information contained within them is actually trivia, or whether trivia belongs in Wikipedia.'' In other words, exactly what I wrote – style, not content.
::::#Both [[ESPN]] and the [[Wall Street Journal]] can be quoted recommending ChaCha as a good source of answers. To quote [[WP:RS]]: ''How accepted, high-quality reliable sources use a given source provides evidence, positive or negative, for its reliability and reputation. The more widespread and consistent this use is, the stronger the evidence.'' In other words – good reputation=reliability.
::::#To quote [[WP:NPOV]]: ''Editorial bias toward one particular point of view should be removed or repaired.'' In other words – and as I told you, this problem is deeply rooted within many WP editors – the personal judgment of what constitutes trivia (and whether it should be removed under these pretenses) does not belong on WP altogether.
::::So... no, in this case "trivia sections" does not mean [what you perceive as] "trivia sections." [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 13:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Sherry Lansing]] ==

After working on [[Stanley R. Jaffe]], I could not leave Sherry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sherry_Lansing&diff=296998339&oldid=295088214 unreferenced] and open to deletion nomination by some editor too lazy to look for sources. So I did some major expansion of her awards and recognitions and sourced it fairly well. You decide which hook you wish for the Jaffe DYK? '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Opps. Just saw. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Wow, nice work, MQS, as always. Pleasure hanging out with you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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== Remove the stench ==
[[Image:Disinfection liquid.JPG|200px|left|thumb|Disinfectant attached to a befouled RfA process]]This might be useful. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
*Hey, I just had a quick look at [[Clifton's Cafeteria]]--nice! Of course, I didn't check to see if your punctuation was plagiarized or not, which is entirely possible. I didn't know it was featured in ''[[On the Road]]'', which I read long, long before I ever came to the US (and so many things didn't make sense to me, but it did make for a different and probably valuable reading experience). Speaking of new things, I went to a baseball game tonight, for the first time in my life. The mascot, [[Montgomery Biscuits|Big Mo]], even came to our box--unfortunately just as my oldest daughter was on the playground, and the five-month old didn't seem to care, haha. But the fast food (and the [[fried chicken]] with [[biscuit]]s and [[white gravy]]) was pretty good, and fun, since I never eat that. And I had a couple of beers with my colleague, and forgot all about stuff for a couple of hours. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
**Spring in the homeland [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cermivelli/3462904487/]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
***Wow, nice... Thanks for that shot. The summer semester has started here, and I miss being home in the summer, doing (next to) nothing. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Thanks again ==
[[File:Biere Duvel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Try this.]]
As I promised myself I spent Sunday with my family, drank too much beer and even hosted a last minute BBQ (sorry you couldn't make it). I even managed to take a friend of mine to school in [[Mario Kart Wii|Mario Kart]]. I want to thank you again for nominating my for adminship in addition to all the other support you provided. As for my justification for withdrawal, I felt that the examples provided by BuddingJournalist/TwilligToves showed me that I need to focus on my content contributions before I am ready to branch out in other areas of responsibility. While my opinion was that Ottava's examples were taken out of context (as I showed), the larger ones were not. The decision was not based on whether or not I felt I was in violation of any policy or guideline it was something I felt was the right thing to do. My primary focus here is content and I need to have that down before I can advance further. As I explained I felt that Ottava's examples were enough to point out that I had some work to do but not enough to hang me from the proverbial [[yardarms]]. This is in regards to two issues (1) WP:PLAGIARISM was only promoted to a guideline on 20 May (or about 11 days ago), so I feel it is a little early to claim people are in violation of it (since nobody actually did say I was in violation of it I did not bring it up, but I felt the intention was there) (2) as you have stated (and I will bring up again), the definition is far too ambiguous to be used in any discussion regarding an editors actions, and based on that alone in my opinion the guideline does not hold water. I appreciated Ottava's assumption of good faith and his going neutral following my efforts to correct them. I am not sure which way the actual RfA would have gone if it had fully proceeded, and truthfully right now I do not want to think about it. Now I have some serious matters to get to, as I recall there was a request from Bongo to have an article written about some bug, and now that this and the bacon challenge are over I can get back to improving the encyclopedia, which is all I ever wanted to do. I am glad you got to a baseball game, I was at a [[Reno Aces]] game a few weeks ago, good times and a great park (brand new too). If you are in the area let me know and we can catch one. Cheers and happy editing. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:K, you are a nice guy, and a much better man than I am, I think. I agree absolutely on the two issues. I felt like tanking the whole WP thing, but there's too much work to be done. But right now I'm focusing on only one tiny little thing, one article, and am leaving the rest for what it is--I'm sure that won't be forever. (I did make some minor edits to that Barrock mine article, but didn't feel like removing the template yet--I don't want to appear to spiteful, and besides, who knows what the guidelines are?) As for BBQ, that's always a good thing. I enjoy cooking it more than eating it, haha. I got some hickory from Publix; earlier, I used scrap oak from various carpentry projects. Thanks for the note. You know you have made a ton of friends here on WP--just look at the list of names of supporters. Take it easy! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Strode Mansion]]==
Not sure how notable this subject is as it's on the campus of a school with subpar football team. But I thought you might want to have a look. GO TIGERS!!! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I came across [[naturist anarchism]], a subject I in which I believe you have great expertise. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh and here's one more for you [[The Applejacks (NL band)]], a Dutch band based on an American breakfast cereal. I prefer raisin bran. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:How's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Applejacks_(NL_band)&curid=23049569&diff=294007074&oldid=294005941 this edit summary] for irony?--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 19:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::Haha, nice, but am I expected to save this joint? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::As far as I can tell there aren't any Dutch bands that are notable. I hope that helps. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Tell that to [[Shocking Blue]]. Hey, Applejack might be less not-notable than I thought. I don't think there will be enough, but who knows...if they win [[The Next Stage]] this month in the [[Melkweg]]... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoM, you have a lot of nominating to do: [[:Category:Dutch musical groups]]. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 05:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Doc when you're done futzing with that Dutch [[garage band]], will you have a look at this edit to an article on one of your Democratic political buddies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Villaraigosa&curid=21347195&diff=294103426&oldid=294103125#cite_note-36]? Thanks mucho. I know you have the highest content, sourcing and NPOV standards. And I know I can count on you to ensure that we expose any sort of spin doctoring and covering up of cronyism between socialists and their big business allies who are bankrupting this country. Kudos! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 06:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dimitris Melissanidis ==

What do mean by "misspelling"? "Dimitris" and "Dimitrios" is the same name in Greek. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They are two articles for the same person. Take one and improve it. Take the other one and redirect to the other. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

==Art Walk==
here you go [http://www.flickr.com/photos/34815340@N06/3587366104/in/set-72157619171206542/] You can scroll through the rest of the shots from that link. Sorry about the delay. You and MQS have been very patient. There are more photos, but I hit the Flickr limit. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Nice! Nice trip, I'm jealous. Wish I could have joined you! Lots of cool things--I liked the Alessi display. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.webundies.com/nu030r2m.htm?AID=10273800&PID=2876692] What do you think? The end is near? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the end is near. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/S_Marshall| S Marshall RfA]] ==

I am a bit puzzled... since you nommed the candidate, do you intend to !vote for support? I don't see it yet. --'''''[[User:Stanistani|Stani]][[User talk:Stanistani|Stani ]]''''' 06:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Isn't it obvious that I support the candidate I nominate? Strongly? But it's all water under the bridge now. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Heads Up ==

Just in case you didn't know already. [[User:Dr. Blofeld]] has retired.--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 09:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Legend. That is not good news. Blofeld and I had a bit of fun together and produced some nice stuff. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like Dr. Blofeld will ever be coming back. I think he's gone forever....--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Angels on horseback ==

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|} Giants27 03:49, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Strode House ==

I don't have anything helpful on the shelf, although I may be able to locate something. (There's a book I haven't had a chance to check yet.) I have weighed in on the AfD, and I think the consensus is strongly in favor of notability. — [[User:Alarob|ℜob C.]] ''alias'' [[User_talk:Alarob|'''ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ''']] 16:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Rob. Yeah, the status as a historical building ought to be enough, but I am also interested in seeing the article fleshed out a bit more. It ''is'' a beautiful, beautiful building. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of the Netherlands, I forgot to tell you that I watched a whole segment on [[European Journal]] about the collapsing pension system in the Netherlands. And it seems they are pushing back the reirement age to 67. Folks who bought into Al Gore's lock-box lie over here are likely in for a much worse surprise when they realize Uncle Sam has saved not a penny on their behalf. Good thing we shot down those personal accounts... ooops I mean "PRIVATIZED" social security system. Egads! :) My local weekly did a feature story on "bacon bits" including J&Ds lip balm, a car that runs on bacon (BioBlend Fuels) and the BA-K-47 from thisisfreakingridiculous.com. So the end will have to wait until next week. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah, I'm sure the Dutch are terrified at their coming doom, and will be running to apply for American citizenship. At least here you ''know'' you don't get jack! (Not even Applejack.) Maybe Uncle Sam can try to retrieve some of those cargo planes full of cash that dropped their contents on Iraq during the previous administration. Hey, I saw the AfD for the list of bacon dishes--funny how bacon really brings out the carnivores in a lot of WP editors! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those planes have been diverted for Obama's war games in Afghanistan. Here's a link for your weapon of choice [http://www.thisisfreakingridiculous.com/tifr/2009/4/13/ba-k-47.html]. And here's the EJ story [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4262386,00.html]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nice! Looks a lot better than my standard issue. Oh...Afghanistan...yes...I forgot...where we were fighting the "war on terror" until we started fighting the "war for Halliburton and Blackwater"... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Pfff. That's German news. It couldn't possibly be true. Ha, did you see the GM ads on TV, arguing that this is only the beginning of a new kind of car industry? This is getting too serious--time for football season to begin. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Didn't the majority leader in the Senate declare the war in Iraq lost some time ago? Government Motors is indeed the beginning of a very new car industry. And they're trying to implement the same operational structure on health care and the rest of the private sector as well. :) Football? We still have a ways to go. I wonder if your QB and Auburn's DB will make teams... Stay cool. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::When you guys are done talking politics and football can you swing by [[User:Kelapstick/Samuel L. Jackson filmography]] and see how it looks (same request posted on Bongo's talk page too). I trues when I show up in the morning it will look nothing as it does now? Thanks. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Only Love Can Break Your Heart==
Please stop removing the cover version from this article. "Some other band" (Saint Etienne's) version is notable enough to be included and to have an infobox, as it charted as a top-40 UK single and a number-one U.S. dance single. Song articles within Wikipedia include original versions, as well as notable covers and/or remixes. If you are going to make such a huge, sweeping change to an article, please take it up on the Talk Page first. Thanks. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think that it is against policy to keep them together; in fact I can give you a zillion examples of song articles that include more than one version of the same song.... although I'm sure you've seen quite a few throughout WP. I will, however, (if you'd like) assist in beefing up the Neil Young portion. I do agree that it is extremely lopsided (that extensive track list section probably isn't imperative) but that's not a reason to spin off the Saint Etienne part. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Eric, I'll keep it here, so we don't have to go back and forth all the time. The way I look at it, the Saint Etienne version ''is'' a spin-off, and so the article should be too, and, as I mentioned before, it deserves its own article. And part of the problem, besides the lopsidedness (which could be solved by editing and writing), is the double set of infoboxes, which I find confusing and esthetically not very pleasing, and the somewhat strange set of categories. Again, it seems to me that the article is about a song, by Neil Young, on ''After the Gold Rush'' (and the infobox should be, IMO, for "song" and not for "single"), sure, with one of those "for the hit by Saint Etienne, see [[etc.]]" lines at the top; and a no.1 hit single should get its own article. Combining them suggests that the Saint Etienne single isn't notable enough in its own right to have an article despite having been a no.1 hit. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I do see the point, but I look at it this way: an article is about a ''song''. Someone writes it, records it, puts it on an album, releases it as a single, has a hit. Lovely. Someone else records their interpretation, has another hit with it. And so on. All of this is part of the history of the song. i.e, in a perfect encyclopedia (I'm dreaming here) there would be info on the inspiration of the song, what went into recording it, maybe some chart info.... then (below) more on what made Artist #2 choose this song to record, how it was produced, etc. (all this assuming of course it meets notability guidelines). I think breaking things up causes more confusion. I do know that, years ago, this kind of thing got wayy out of control with articles being made about every cover version and remix out there (for example there was an article for Whitney Houston's version of "Star Spangled Banner" and Christine Aguilera's "Christmas Song", two songs covered by approximately 50 billion artists). So per the naming conventions at [[WP:SONG]], all of these articles marked as "(single)" were combined and named uniformly with "(song)". As far as the infobox is concerned, I do see how this could look gaudy to some people, but that's (I think) something that could be taken up in a different discussion with editors who would want to improve the look of infoboxes to make them flow better. Neil Young's version should have a single infobox because, well, it was a single. Saint Etienne's should also be there — both versions have varying degrees of success in different realms of the music world, no?
:::Take a look at some of these and just tell me what you think: granted some of these may also be "lopsided" but most of the time the combining works quite well: [[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]], [[The Passenger (song)]], [[Venus (Shocking Blue song)]], [[Valerie (The Zutons song)]], [[It's My Life (Talk Talk song)]], [[I'll Be There]]. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I see your point. That's not to say that I agree with you, cause that's not the kind of guy I am! Thanks for the links; I'll have a look and will get back to you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
←Speaking of cover versions, have you seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA this] artistic interpretation of a classic? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 23:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Bacon spam==
To all members of the bacon cabal: Did you know that there is a theory that the [[Voynich manuscript]] might be the long lost [[Voynich manuscript#Theories about authorship|Book of Bacon]] ? [[User:Spinningspark|'''SpinningSpark''']] 11:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, that's fantastic. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 12:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Trouble in paradise?==
Things are heating up for the European Parliament [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8084281.stm] with [[Geert Wilders]]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Dolly Rockers==

I was hoping that Astronaut might do the work of adding the references. I was waiting to see some effort in that direction, before I added the sources; apologies that you needed to add them. I've done some work on it now too. [[User:Fences and windows|Fences and windows]] ([[User talk:Fences and windows|talk]]) 16:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, you said the same thing that I've said at AfD many a times: "not my job." And then we go on to make it our jobs anyway! Thanks for helping save a notable article, and thanks for the note. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shift4 ==

I have responded to your message to me about the edits to the Shift4 page on the Discussion page for the Shift4 article. I would like to discuss this matter further, as I believe the edits I made to be valid and not vandalism. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.170.11.126|70.170.11.126]] ([[User talk:70.170.11.126|talk]]) 21:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

== You've got to see this ==

[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld]]--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE:How about this one? ==

The current templates on those two articles don't really deal with plagiarism, but with [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]], which are different and require admin attention (our copyright pages are ''policy'' while our plagiarism page is a guideline). (By the way, do you understand the difference between our copyright policy and the plagiarism guideline? Not meant to be a condescending question, but a legitimate and sincere inquiry [the two are confusing at times, I know]. It just seems that from my previous conversations with you, and your latest message on my talk page, you're mixing the two.) This is because all content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with [[GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GFDL]], even old versions of articles. Therefore, if there are any copyright violations, admins peruse the history of the article and delete the contributions that contain them. These templates are part of this set process, and I would be wary of touching them. I've never been a fan of how big and scary they look, but I assume it's due to the legal implications when dealing with copyvios; they were created long before I joined WP.

I believe the reason why editors are cautioned not to do further editing on the pages is to just make life easier for the admins who look into the articles, so they don't have to do more work in making sure revisions are free of copyvios. In any case, an admin should be along shortly to deal with these two articles. As stated in the instructions, anyone can continue working on the text elsewhere, such as a subpage in the talk namespace. Does that help?

By the way, if you can point me to a source that actually legitimizes the whole "citation but no quotation marks is OK" point of view, I'd be much obliged. I've seen some other editors too hold this point of view, but I still have no idea where this comes from. No definition/discussion of plagiarism I've encountered considers this to be OK. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 01:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
*I am aware of the difference, yes. Since neither of the two articles were simply copied from the sources (the charge at the relevant RfA was, I imagine, that they were too close to copyvio to be called legitimate paraphrase) you'd have to make a case for why they would be copyvios, and the answer suggested, though not provided (you were never explicit), was "they're too close to the source.". That can only mean that they are not paraphrased properly, but the yardstick for "proper paraphrase" is quite unclear. ([[WP:copyvio]] doesn't specifiy.) And by the way, I never said "citation but no quotation marks is OK." I was talking about ''attribution'' and every source I've ever looked at (see my comments [[User_talk:Ottava_Rima#plagiarism.2C_from_RfA|elsewhere]]) makes lack of attribution essential in the charge of plagiarism. That I talk about copyvio and plagiarism side-by-side is because a. they are related (no matter whether one thing is policy and the other guideline) and b. plenty of participants in the RfA accused the candidate of plagiarism (see Durova's comments, for instance).I note, by the way, that at the RfA you actually didn't specify what the issues were, precisely: you gave two sets of two passages, and I concluded that you ''meant'' to say that they were too close, so close that they should be called copyvio. But that also is a judgment call, and while I freely admit that in my opinion ''some'' (though not all) of those passages should have been paraphrased more in the author's own words, the rhetorical power of the copyvio template, which (and I repeat myself) I believe was applied unjustly, was such that the RfA was hijacked, in my opinion. Your use of ellipsis towards the end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kelapstick&diff=293437887&oldid=293427174 your comment] is telling in that respect. And that is why I said what I said. While I don't want to make light of the problem of copyright violations, I am still not convinced that that was what we were dealing with here--and we were certainly not dealing with plagiarism. Rather than ask me if I know the difference, I'd like for you to address my charge: that all-too-close paraphrase (a matter of judgment) does not automatically add up to a copyright violation, and that your pasting COPYVIO all over this candidacy helped damn it. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:*OK, for a moment I thought you were actually being serious on my talk page, but instead it looks like you're out here to bait me with your passive aggressive attacks. It's not going to work. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Twillig, you're not reading very carefully. I was being serious, and I'm not trying to be passive at all. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Seed swap ==

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:You put a lot of effort into saving some shack near U o Bama's campus, but nothing for [[Anarchist naturism]]? Now it's gone. So many people will be left in ignorance without coverage of this important subject. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, it's gone? (Was it ever there?) Yes, the shack is saved--did you see Alarob's comments at that AfD? I don't know what to think. Sorry about the naturism thing. Recreate it, why don't you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Bacon enthusiasts are known for breaking chairs, especially those of faulty design. Someone removed my cardboard chair pic from the [[cardboard]] article. Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== ''[[Hell Awaits]]'' you... ==

...we have heavy metal <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[WP:GENREWARRIOR|Genre Warrior]]: "you mean black metal, right?"] and hot girls! {{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 02:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, I can do with some hot girls! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Loki, what's that word that's misspoken? You can't just tease the reader like that! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Most of that you reorganized, was not written by me.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha, I'm glad--I wouldn't want to mess with you. But still, what's the word? Now I'm curious. Don't make me search the blogs and stuff... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::[http://rapidshare.com/files/62280605/Slayer_-_Hell_Awaits.rar Is this?]--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You can "save" [[Commercial Metal|this article]]? Also, thanks for answer my last reply.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'll have a look--but as you may know, Blackmetalbaz is my master metallurgian. I downloaded the file, but haven't listened to it yet, since I can't unpack it where I'm at. I'll get back to you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 19:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Haha, I don't think there's any saving that one. Good luck! Oh, I played that album in the car. Not bad, but anytime I want to hear something more or less like that I go to the [[Chaos AD|best thing]]. As for that misspelled word--I think that whole passage should be dropped from the article, since it's really a bit trivial, don't you think? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don't think. Ah, so you should listen to bands like: [[Meshuggah]], [[Ephel Duath (band)|Ephel Duath]], [[Deathspell Omega]], [[Sigh (band)|Sigh]]...; all different, but connected by their experimentalism. ([[Sepultura]] is a very experimental band) --[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 05:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::(Regarding [[Evangelion (album)#Preproduction, recording and production|''Evangelion'' (album)]]) Hi, you could take a look in this article, please.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 20:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::I carry a very blunt axe... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:{{=)|wink2}}--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 21:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

----
You could copy-edit this [[Dream Theater discography|list]]? Ah, you saw [[Talk:Hell Awaits|that]]? And the bands above, you listened?--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Cortez Gold Mine]]==
Hi. I see that you've expressed an interest in helping clean up this article, and it would be much appreciated, particularly if you have access to [http://www.miningmagazine.com/mine-of-the-month/cortez-hills--the-latest-chapter]. I can't view it. I can confirm that there is some duplication from [http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/cortez/], as with "the first simultaneous start-up of an underground and surface mine in Nevada", but I don't know what needs to be cleaned from the other source. Lacking access to it, if I am left to address it (and can't find somebody who ''can'' access it), I'm not going to have any option but to rewrite or remove the article. Can you help? (I'll be watching your talk page. Please let me know either way, since I'll be looking around for other resources if necessary.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Check your email, girl! I hope that helps. As you can see in the history, I did some of it already, but I don't know how well or if it was to satisfaction; I may not have been in the best frame of mind. Thanks for your help, and let me know what I can do. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. :) Given the complexity of the article, I probably won't be able to address it until tomorrow (getting late in my part of the world), but your assistance is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. It's not so late here, but I'm waiting for this cute little girl sitting next to me to go to bed (that is, when ''[[Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey|Homeward Bound]]'' is over). Drop me a line; I may have some time tomorrow in between classes. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I envy you. I've got ''[[Paul Blart: Mall Cop]]''. (sigh) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Can you undelete and stub-ify the Batu Hijau article please? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 01:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, I can't undelete a copyvio. The article was listed for a week as per process to allow contributors an opportunity to address it, but unfortunately nobody did so, and the copyright infringement was foundational, going all the way back to the first edit. There was no clean version to revert to. If you'd like to create a stub, I'd be happy to give you any non-GFDL infringing elements from the page, including categories or external links. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::the sources and info box are enough for me to rewrite it properly. Cheers. [[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 01:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::All right. I'll prop them in your userspace if you'd like. Note that I did also offer the template-blanked version back for a few days [[User_talk:Bongomatic#Your_note.2C_Drmies_page|at Bongomatic's talk page]]. I don't know if you read the template, but you are welcome to revise the article in the temporary space if you'd like, alone or in tandem. That stands for this one as well. All that matters is that problematic text be dealt with. If you have any questions about paraphrasing, I'd be happy to help you. I suspect you know quite a lot more about this subject than I do. (Sorry for parking on your talkpage, Drmies. :))--[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No that's fine--if I knew y'all were coming I'd made you coffee and baked some cakes. What is this, the first chapter of ''[[The Hobbit]]''? I did make some edits to Cortez, but then I read the template again and undid them. I looked at it one more time and now I think I know what I should have done...too complicated for me. Anyway, I'm happy--we're all on it, the article will be back in good shape, Shadow and all them found their way home (though my daughter was ''still'' crying cause he hurt his paw), my daughter is in bed, my phone-laptop-Bluetooth connection miraculously started working, and the coffee is ready. And the mall is safe from crime, I imagine. MRGirl, you're welcome here anytime. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha! [[Kristin Hersh]]! Haven't thought about her in forever. I used to have a tape (yes, a tape) of ''Hips and Makers'', with that creepy song with Michael Stipe. (That article needs a good scrubbing.) Guess I'll have to dig that up now, and find my old Walkman. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Having the template blanked version would be good, but either way is fine with me. I see Bongo commented on his talk as to a location. It is most appreciated. Also I will take a look at the offline refs of Cortez Hills tomorrow and make sure they are not in violation. I think I have the magazine on my desk still (under a large pile of paper). We watched ''[[Bedtime Stories (film)|Bedtime Stories]]'' last night, well worth it. Rock on.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 03:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::All right. It is so userfied. I appreciate your looking into the Cortez Hills article as well. I now have access to the material, so I can help as needed, but it is not my area of expertise. Editing, on the other hand, is (not Wikipedia; I mean it in the general sense), so please don't hesitate to let me know if you've found something you can't figure out how to put into your own words. Nevermind what I do with it off-Wiki, I've been doing it on Wiki every day for almost a year. :) Linguistics [[Rubic's Cube]]. ''Bedtime Stories'' was way better than ''Mall Cop''. :D [[User:Drmies|Drmies]], is Gandalf here yet? (I love that song. And it is creepy. If you haven't heard her lately, you should check out what 15 years of heavy smoking and not taking care of her throat have done. Her voice is incredibly textured.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 10:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Hey Doc, [[User:Kelapstick/Cortez Gold Mine]] and [[Batu Hijau mine]] are done (following a sprinkle of [[holy water]] on Cortez), so that monstrosity is finalized. Have yourself a drink, I will talk to you tomorrow.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Dahil Sa Iyo ==

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== Smile ==

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'''Drmies''', Sky Attacker has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! ''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
</div>--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Thanks Legend! I needed that after reading stuff at WP:ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::What did you read? Anything good? Do tell! I barely hear from you any more now that KBC2009 is over. So sad... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::That's cause I'm often on recent changes these days, and you never edit on anything but bureaucratic matters :/ I made a few comments on AfDs, and am doing cleanup on a couple of things. Well, another longtime contributor apparently left, an admin is threatened with being stripped, nothing new really. But it's always a bit sad to see WP editors yelling and getting worked up, on matters that often, from the outside looking in, seem trivial. Hey, I saw a minute of ''[[Chopped]]'' just now, and the loser seemed to have made [[chocolate covered bacon]] for his dessert. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I thought Blofield came back? Who left? I'm fighting for my Wikilife on bureaucratic matters kiddo. 1 revert per article per week? Which Admin is threatened with a stripping? Is it a cute one? I'll have to check out chopped. I'm thinking of setting up some sock accounts so I can become and Admin and get a seat on Arbcom. What do you think? Seriously though, none of this is trivial. It's all VERY important. They're trying to delete Auburn's 2010 football team before they even have a chance![http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_10#2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team] Tough times for all of us. Cheerios. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::And what happened to the Snake 'n Bake? I tried to tivo it but no luck. Is it gone forever? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Blofeld is back, but Stifle made a no-no, according to some, and Shoemaker's Holiday called it quits. And I didn't say it ''was'' trivial--I said it looked trivial from the outside. Our recent RfA adventures were FAR from trivial, but we were on the inside. And for Auburn: the biggest news there is the resignation of [[Bobby Lowder]]--and our article says nothing about the enormous amounts of gossip going around! And I don't know about Snake 'n' Bacon...I don't have that channel... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you can help determine the future of [[Animal love]] (safe for work... at least last I checked) and [[Jesse Dee]]. Stifle seems to be more reasonable than ever lately, although I don't think I see eye to eye with the kid. I'll have to look into that.

"From trivial, but we were on the inside"? What kind of yoda-speak is this? Have you been hanging out with my main man GTB? I take it you are high on life? :)
*No yoda--just forgot a word. Please note my correction of the grievous error, sir. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is 2010 this coming season or the following season? Anyway, "your" Lakers <s>are</s> were looking good <s>so far</s>. Not really a match-up that I find particularly interesting. Keep it real. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
*I assume you're being sympathetic. The commentators also tried to see the Lakers glass as half-full. My problem is that game 4 is played Sunday evening, and we're going camping in [[DeSoto State Park]], and I don't know if we'll be back home on time. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm VERY sympathetic. I hadn't realized they were playing last night, so I was commenting on the first two games until I found out they had lost. As success follows me everywhere, it won't be surprising when LA wins the championship. As for my Jets??? well... They're not much without me and Keyshawn now are they.[[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Another 3RR issue over at death metal==
One particular editor keeps reinserting the text regarding "brutal death metal" despite its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brutal death metal|deletion]]. They are clearly in breach of 3RR at this stage. Care to take a look? [[User:Blackmetalbaz|Blackmetalbaz]] ([[User talk:Blackmetalbaz|talk]]) 11:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw it yesterday. Did you report them? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just saw a picture on Facebook of an old friend of mine playing [[piano]] for [[Jan Peter Balkenende]], he (the PM) had on a weird tie.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I left before he was out of diapers. I'd never even heard of him, and I hope you won't mind if I don't put a picture of him up here! But...your friend plays piano for heads of state? That's not a bad gig! Was he tired of mining? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Never was in mining, always a [[Piano Man (song)|Piano Man]]. Actually I knew him long before I considered digging in the dirt. He's going to school in the Netherlands, music something, not sure how he got that gig put I would agree it is a pretty good one.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== first vs second treaty ==

Good error catch on the treaty with Mexico. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yours is infinitely more reliable. Like Wikipedia itself those less reputable websites are ok for giving you ideas, but its always best to get a second and more reliable source for web based facts. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/297926692.html?dids=297926692:297926692&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Apr+09%2C+1918&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=CARRANZA+GREETS+KING+OF+BELGIUM&pqatl=google King and Queen of Belgium visited Mexico in 1918] but I am about to go to bed, can you peek if you are still awake and see if you can find a better reference? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 06:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
*I found [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z3gLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5623,4213429&dq=carranza+king+of+belgium this]--I don't have access to old editions of the Monitor. As far as I can tell it wasn't a visit, just a telegram. Still, it was a telegram important enough to be reported on in ''[[The Evening Independent]]''--somewhat strange, really. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Cubs197|reply}}
I replied to you on my talk page.--[[User:Cubs197|Cubs197]] ([[User talk:Cubs197|talk]]) 05:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Red Deer ==

Curious, what pages are affected? I've found [[Red Deer, Alberta]], [[Red Deer]] the animal, and [[Red Deer (disambiguation)]], plus redirects to those pages. You're correct that I have tools that you don't: I can fix the move from Red deer (animal) to Red Deer. That's the only change that I can see that you can't fix; are there any others? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Is everything fixed, as far as you can see? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think so--thanks a lot for your help. I was afraid I had done more harm than good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

=="Intentional wrongdoers"==
You freaking cheaters! Isn't this de ja vus all over again? How is it that you don't win more with all these violations? Tsk tsk tsk. I hope this foul play doesn't reflect poorly on the devoted student athletes and high standards maintained by Auburn and other SEC schools. Should Bama be demoted to Div 2 for a while until they can get things in order? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Eeeeehhhhh...what are you talking about? Do I need to listen to talk radio more? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Hmm. OK. Well, at least it wasn't ALL the sports, just "softball, baseball, women's gymnastics, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, men's golf, women's golf, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's tennis, women's tennis, men's track and field, women's track and field, women's soccer and women's volleyball."<ref name="NCAA">{{cite news
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| url = http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090611/NLETTER02/90611036
| accessdate = 2009-06-11}}</ref> Flag football and rugby seem to be squeaky clean, so that's a relief, and as "1solidrock" wrote on the ''[[Montgomery Advertiser]]'''s website, "Must be some Auburn, LSU, Tennessee influence somewhere on this supposed impartial panel."<ref name="NCAA"/> [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute. I just looked at the source you provided. This whole hoo hah is about free textbooks? Seriously? Ahahahahaha. USC players are getting nice cars and houses for their folks and you guys get busted for giving away textbooks to your athletes. Too funny. All is fair in love and war my friend. Go Tigers!!! :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===References===
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== a general thank you... ==

...to users Kelapstick, MuZemike, and Alansohn for keeping it clean. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Keeping what clean? This sounds dirty... What have you guys been up to? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Why wasn't Bynum in the game? Is Kobe allowed to elbow people in the face? He must have Admin status... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it was an exciting game. Howard should have made his free throws and the game would have been over in regulation. Cheerios. Congrats. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I even saw some of it. And Bynum was in the game, and yes, Kobe can do anything he likes! I was glad that Fisher had a couple of nice shots. (Clean: check the history of my user page, haha.) You doing alright? Plans for the weekend? Working on some bilateral relations perhaps? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
About floating is also a box? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
*This edit
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spekkoek&curid=8101897&diff=296445064&oldid=252769602] needs a check and some clean up ([[speculaas]] can be wikilinked too). One of your compatriots at work, I presume? I was doing some Google News checking on various old article subjects I've worked on and I see [[Kees Christiaanse]] is still in the news. Apparently he's involved in this and that, keeping the colonial legacy going in Indonesia and what have you. How do you find [[This Earth of Mankind]] so far? Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw this comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALugnuts&diff=296578104&oldid=296483724] and I thought you might like to help with the effort. If you guys stick to the notable ones it should only take a day or two at the most. I don't think there are more than 2 or 3. :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Warning templates ==

Not a dumb question at all. :) The reason it is confusing if because that template isn't meant to be used directly. Instead use:

<nowiki>{{</nowiki>subst:spam-warn|''page''|header=1<nowiki>}} ~~~~</nowiki>

where ''page'' is the page you placed the speedy tag on.

For convenience, the speedy template should have a ready made version that you can copy and paste near the bottom of it (after it has been added to an article).

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even better, Doctor, try using Twinkle and Friendly, which can now be installed though your gadgets settings at your preferences. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 18:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Floodplain (album)]] ==

Hi! Do you have the album? If so, could you please look what is written in the notes about Ram Narayan's involvement, if any, and tell me? That would be very kind. Thank you. [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 17:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. I don't have the album here so I'll have to get back to you. The [http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/floodplain Nonesuch website] has a little bit of information, but not what you're looking for, I think. There's a short paragraph for each song, and I'll see what it says. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! Please feel free to send me an email (link on my userpage). [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 00:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::You know, having the recording they took their version from, I'm sad no review commented on comparisons between the original versions and the covers. I've only found the four reviews though, do you know of any I didn't put in the infobox? [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 11:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Stanley R. Jaffe]] ==

I gave Sam a bit of expansion and sourcing. There is lots more out there. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 00:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Jason L. McCoy]] ==
I saw in the edit history that you were considering speedy for this page, but since no one has done that and the page has been up for a bit, I PRODded it; just letting you know. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks. I did consider it, but the guy is a mayor and I don't know if that makes him automatically notable. If you look through the various versions, though, you'll see quickly why I considered it. Thanks, Spaceman; I'll add the page to my watchlist. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I think being a mayor of a town of 25k people will probably get a pass from CSD, but he still doesn't qualify per either [[WP:Politician]] or [[WP:N]] from what I've been able to find, so I decided to PROD. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Yes sorry about that. You were too fast for me :-) --[[User:Jmh649|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*No problem at all. I should have realized, actually, that your name looked familiar to me and that I'd seen your edits (or maybe vandalism reverts) on a medical article a couple of months ago. Happy editing, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pick your hook.... ==

====Stanley R. Jaffe====

{{*mp}}... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' after resigning as president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1971 to found his own producton company, returned 20 years later in 1991 to be president of [[Paramount Communications]] and then replaced [[Brandon Tartikoff]] in 1992 as president of [[Paramount Pictures]] ?

:*'''ALT1''':... that after producing ''[[Goodbye, Columbus (film)|Goodby Columbus]]'', '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was appointed president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1970, only to resign in 1971 to form his own production company ?
:*'''ALT2''':... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was president of several different [[Paramount Pictures]] divisions, yet never held any one postion with them for more than 2 years ?
:*''Comment'': article a collaborative effort inspired by [[User:Drmies]]
Created by [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]), [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|MichaelQSchmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]). Self nom at 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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'''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Michael, I like the first and the third. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

*It has been submitted to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADid_you_know&diff=297667396&oldid=297665544 DYK]. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotoosvanrobin/3082739432/] Freely licensed. Came up when I was investigating the subject of [[spice cake]] (new article). What is sea foam? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*No clue! I've never liked speculaas that much, BTW. Hey, I'm making [[english muffins]] as we speak. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[WP:TRIVIA]] ==

Like many WP editors, you seem to be under a complete misapprehension of what "trivia" means: re-read the policy, it applies to the '''style''' of writing (bulleted list of various facts), not the '''content'''. If the section is well written in a form of prose, there is nothing wrong with having it. As for a search engine not being a reliable source – I've quoted two reliable sources that definitely back up the credibility of that engine (in this case, an answer providing forum). [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 01:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*Oh, I'm sorry--I thought the policy said "Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined"; and I thought that meant, for instance, that trivia sections should be avoided. If you think that search engines are reliable sources, then I doubt that reading [[WP:RS]] will do you much good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmm... looks like you didn't bother to read my response at all. "Trivia sections should be avoided" applies to '''''bulleted lists''''', not all sections labeled "trivia" – hence "''a better method of representation.''" If the section is written as prose it does not fall under that category in that specific guideline. The section can also be renamed. As for [[WP:RS]], there is no mentioning of search engines – neither there nor in [[WP:NOR]]. Please do correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 07:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I did, and I will again. You'll note that "trivia sections" means "trivia sections." The results of search engines cannot, by their very nature, be reliable sources. That such a statement calls for explanation is precisely what I meant by saying that reading [[WP:RS]] probably won't do you any good. You seem to fail to understand that a search engine may ''give'' you sources but isn't a source in its own right (except for information such as number of hits with that search engine, which is pretty trivial). I hope the phrase [[Garbage In, Garbage Out]] means anything to you. (Something similar applies to answer forums, which are just as unreliable as references.) Lastly, it boggles me that someone would cite the results of a search engine when that search engine can give you the actual reference. That's the kind of intellectual laziness that best befits ''[[Super Why!]]'' Why not just read the paper or a book to get some information? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::::OK, let's analyze your overview by putting facts together. First, pros:
::::#[[WP:NOR|Your personal opinion]] about non-reliability of search engines/answer forums as well as the definition of "trivia", backed up by [[WP:RS|absolutely nothing]] that can be cited as a WP policy.
::::#????
::::#Profit! [[Image:Smile.svg]]
::::On the other hand, let's see the cons:
::::#Quoting [[WP:TRIVIA]]: ''This [[WP:Manual of Style|style guideline]] deals with the way in which these facts are represented in an article, not with whether the information contained within them is actually trivia, or whether trivia belongs in Wikipedia.''" In other words, exactly what I wrote – style, not content.
::::#Both [[ESPN]] and the [[Wall Street Journal]] can be quoted recommending ChaCha as a good source of answers. To quote [[WP:RS]]: ''How accepted, high-quality reliable sources use a given source provides evidence, positive or negative, for its reliability and reputation. The more widespread and consistent this use is, the stronger the evidence.'' In other words – good reputation=reliability.
::::#To quote [[WP:NPOV]]: ''Editorial bias toward one particular point of view should be removed or repaired.'' In other words – and as I told you, this problem is deeply rooted within many WP editors – the personal judgment of what constitutes trivia (and whether it should be removed under these pretenses) does not belong on WP altogether.
::::So... no, in this case "trivia sections" does not mean [what you perceive as] "trivia sections." [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 13:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Sherry Lansing]] ==

After working on [[Stanley R. Jaffe]], I could not leave Sherry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sherry_Lansing&diff=296998339&oldid=295088214 unreferenced] and open to deletion nomination by some editor too lazy to look for sources. So I did some major expansion of her awards and recognitions and sourced it fairly well. You decide which hook you wish for the Jaffe DYK? '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Opps. Just saw. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Wow, nice work, MQS, as always. Pleasure hanging out with you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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[[File:HaroldPinterKrappsLastTape.jpg|230px|thumb|right|This user likes drama made by real writers (shown: [[Harold Pinter]]), not by Wikipedia editors.]]
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== Remove the stench ==
[[Image:Disinfection liquid.JPG|200px|left|thumb|Disinfectant attached to a befouled RfA process]]This might be useful. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
*Hey, I just had a quick look at [[Clifton's Cafeteria]]--nice! Of course, I didn't check to see if your punctuation was plagiarized or not, which is entirely possible. I didn't know it was featured in ''[[On the Road]]'', which I read long, long before I ever came to the US (and so many things didn't make sense to me, but it did make for a different and probably valuable reading experience). Speaking of new things, I went to a baseball game tonight, for the first time in my life. The mascot, [[Montgomery Biscuits|Big Mo]], even came to our box--unfortunately just as my oldest daughter was on the playground, and the five-month old didn't seem to care, haha. But the fast food (and the [[fried chicken]] with [[biscuit]]s and [[white gravy]]) was pretty good, and fun, since I never eat that. And I had a couple of beers with my colleague, and forgot all about stuff for a couple of hours. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
**Spring in the homeland [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cermivelli/3462904487/]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
***Wow, nice... Thanks for that shot. The summer semester has started here, and I miss being home in the summer, doing (next to) nothing. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Thanks again ==
[[File:Biere Duvel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Try this.]]
As I promised myself I spent Sunday with my family, drank too much beer and even hosted a last minute BBQ (sorry you couldn't make it). I even managed to take a friend of mine to school in [[Mario Kart Wii|Mario Kart]]. I want to thank you again for nominating my for adminship in addition to all the other support you provided. As for my justification for withdrawal, I felt that the examples provided by BuddingJournalist/TwilligToves showed me that I need to focus on my content contributions before I am ready to branch out in other areas of responsibility. While my opinion was that Ottava's examples were taken out of context (as I showed), the larger ones were not. The decision was not based on whether or not I felt I was in violation of any policy or guideline it was something I felt was the right thing to do. My primary focus here is content and I need to have that down before I can advance further. As I explained I felt that Ottava's examples were enough to point out that I had some work to do but not enough to hang me from the proverbial [[yardarms]]. This is in regards to two issues (1) WP:PLAGIARISM was only promoted to a guideline on 20 May (or about 11 days ago), so I feel it is a little early to claim people are in violation of it (since nobody actually did say I was in violation of it I did not bring it up, but I felt the intention was there) (2) as you have stated (and I will bring up again), the definition is far too ambiguous to be used in any discussion regarding an editors actions, and based on that alone in my opinion the guideline does not hold water. I appreciated Ottava's assumption of good faith and his going neutral following my efforts to correct them. I am not sure which way the actual RfA would have gone if it had fully proceeded, and truthfully right now I do not want to think about it. Now I have some serious matters to get to, as I recall there was a request from Bongo to have an article written about some bug, and now that this and the bacon challenge are over I can get back to improving the encyclopedia, which is all I ever wanted to do. I am glad you got to a baseball game, I was at a [[Reno Aces]] game a few weeks ago, good times and a great park (brand new too). If you are in the area let me know and we can catch one. Cheers and happy editing. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:K, you are a nice guy, and a much better man than I am, I think. I agree absolutely on the two issues. I felt like tanking the whole WP thing, but there's too much work to be done. But right now I'm focusing on only one tiny little thing, one article, and am leaving the rest for what it is--I'm sure that won't be forever. (I did make some minor edits to that Barrock mine article, but didn't feel like removing the template yet--I don't want to appear to spiteful, and besides, who knows what the guidelines are?) As for BBQ, that's always a good thing. I enjoy cooking it more than eating it, haha. I got some hickory from Publix; earlier, I used scrap oak from various carpentry projects. Thanks for the note. You know you have made a ton of friends here on WP--just look at the list of names of supporters. Take it easy! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Strode Mansion]]==
Not sure how notable this subject is as it's on the campus of a school with subpar football team. But I thought you might want to have a look. GO TIGERS!!! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I came across [[naturist anarchism]], a subject I in which I believe you have great expertise. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh and here's one more for you [[The Applejacks (NL band)]], a Dutch band based on an American breakfast cereal. I prefer raisin bran. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:How's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Applejacks_(NL_band)&curid=23049569&diff=294007074&oldid=294005941 this edit summary] for irony?--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 19:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::Haha, nice, but am I expected to save this joint? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::As far as I can tell there aren't any Dutch bands that are notable. I hope that helps. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Tell that to [[Shocking Blue]]. Hey, Applejack might be less not-notable than I thought. I don't think there will be enough, but who knows...if they win [[The Next Stage]] this month in the [[Melkweg]]... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoM, you have a lot of nominating to do: [[:Category:Dutch musical groups]]. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 05:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Doc when you're done futzing with that Dutch [[garage band]], will you have a look at this edit to an article on one of your Democratic political buddies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Villaraigosa&curid=21347195&diff=294103426&oldid=294103125#cite_note-36]? Thanks mucho. I know you have the highest content, sourcing and NPOV standards. And I know I can count on you to ensure that we expose any sort of spin doctoring and covering up of cronyism between socialists and their big business allies who are bankrupting this country. Kudos! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 06:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dimitris Melissanidis ==

What do mean by "misspelling"? "Dimitris" and "Dimitrios" is the same name in Greek. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They are two articles for the same person. Take one and improve it. Take the other one and redirect to the other. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

==Art Walk==
here you go [http://www.flickr.com/photos/34815340@N06/3587366104/in/set-72157619171206542/] You can scroll through the rest of the shots from that link. Sorry about the delay. You and MQS have been very patient. There are more photos, but I hit the Flickr limit. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Nice! Nice trip, I'm jealous. Wish I could have joined you! Lots of cool things--I liked the Alessi display. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.webundies.com/nu030r2m.htm?AID=10273800&PID=2876692] What do you think? The end is near? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the end is near. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/S_Marshall| S Marshall RfA]] ==

I am a bit puzzled... since you nommed the candidate, do you intend to !vote for support? I don't see it yet. --'''''[[User:Stanistani|Stani]][[User talk:Stanistani|Stani ]]''''' 06:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Isn't it obvious that I support the candidate I nominate? Strongly? But it's all water under the bridge now. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Heads Up ==

Just in case you didn't know already. [[User:Dr. Blofeld]] has retired.--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 09:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Legend. That is not good news. Blofeld and I had a bit of fun together and produced some nice stuff. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like Dr. Blofeld will ever be coming back. I think he's gone forever....--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Angels on horseback ==

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== Strode House ==

I don't have anything helpful on the shelf, although I may be able to locate something. (There's a book I haven't had a chance to check yet.) I have weighed in on the AfD, and I think the consensus is strongly in favor of notability. — [[User:Alarob|ℜob C.]] ''alias'' [[User_talk:Alarob|'''ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ''']] 16:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Rob. Yeah, the status as a historical building ought to be enough, but I am also interested in seeing the article fleshed out a bit more. It ''is'' a beautiful, beautiful building. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of the Netherlands, I forgot to tell you that I watched a whole segment on [[European Journal]] about the collapsing pension system in the Netherlands. And it seems they are pushing back the reirement age to 67. Folks who bought into Al Gore's lock-box lie over here are likely in for a much worse surprise when they realize Uncle Sam has saved not a penny on their behalf. Good thing we shot down those personal accounts... ooops I mean "PRIVATIZED" social security system. Egads! :) My local weekly did a feature story on "bacon bits" including J&Ds lip balm, a car that runs on bacon (BioBlend Fuels) and the BA-K-47 from thisisfreakingridiculous.com. So the end will have to wait until next week. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah, I'm sure the Dutch are terrified at their coming doom, and will be running to apply for American citizenship. At least here you ''know'' you don't get jack! (Not even Applejack.) Maybe Uncle Sam can try to retrieve some of those cargo planes full of cash that dropped their contents on Iraq during the previous administration. Hey, I saw the AfD for the list of bacon dishes--funny how bacon really brings out the carnivores in a lot of WP editors! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those planes have been diverted for Obama's war games in Afghanistan. Here's a link for your weapon of choice [http://www.thisisfreakingridiculous.com/tifr/2009/4/13/ba-k-47.html]. And here's the EJ story [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4262386,00.html]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nice! Looks a lot better than my standard issue. Oh...Afghanistan...yes...I forgot...where we were fighting the "war on terror" until we started fighting the "war for Halliburton and Blackwater"... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Pfff. That's German news. It couldn't possibly be true. Ha, did you see the GM ads on TV, arguing that this is only the beginning of a new kind of car industry? This is getting too serious--time for football season to begin. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Didn't the majority leader in the Senate declare the war in Iraq lost some time ago? Government Motors is indeed the beginning of a very new car industry. And they're trying to implement the same operational structure on health care and the rest of the private sector as well. :) Football? We still have a ways to go. I wonder if your QB and Auburn's DB will make teams... Stay cool. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::When you guys are done talking politics and football can you swing by [[User:Kelapstick/Samuel L. Jackson filmography]] and see how it looks (same request posted on Bongo's talk page too). I trues when I show up in the morning it will look nothing as it does now? Thanks. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Only Love Can Break Your Heart==
Please stop removing the cover version from this article. "Some other band" (Saint Etienne's) version is notable enough to be included and to have an infobox, as it charted as a top-40 UK single and a number-one U.S. dance single. Song articles within Wikipedia include original versions, as well as notable covers and/or remixes. If you are going to make such a huge, sweeping change to an article, please take it up on the Talk Page first. Thanks. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think that it is against policy to keep them together; in fact I can give you a zillion examples of song articles that include more than one version of the same song.... although I'm sure you've seen quite a few throughout WP. I will, however, (if you'd like) assist in beefing up the Neil Young portion. I do agree that it is extremely lopsided (that extensive track list section probably isn't imperative) but that's not a reason to spin off the Saint Etienne part. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Eric, I'll keep it here, so we don't have to go back and forth all the time. The way I look at it, the Saint Etienne version ''is'' a spin-off, and so the article should be too, and, as I mentioned before, it deserves its own article. And part of the problem, besides the lopsidedness (which could be solved by editing and writing), is the double set of infoboxes, which I find confusing and esthetically not very pleasing, and the somewhat strange set of categories. Again, it seems to me that the article is about a song, by Neil Young, on ''After the Gold Rush'' (and the infobox should be, IMO, for "song" and not for "single"), sure, with one of those "for the hit by Saint Etienne, see [[etc.]]" lines at the top; and a no.1 hit single should get its own article. Combining them suggests that the Saint Etienne single isn't notable enough in its own right to have an article despite having been a no.1 hit. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I do see the point, but I look at it this way: an article is about a ''song''. Someone writes it, records it, puts it on an album, releases it as a single, has a hit. Lovely. Someone else records their interpretation, has another hit with it. And so on. All of this is part of the history of the song. i.e, in a perfect encyclopedia (I'm dreaming here) there would be info on the inspiration of the song, what went into recording it, maybe some chart info.... then (below) more on what made Artist #2 choose this song to record, how it was produced, etc. (all this assuming of course it meets notability guidelines). I think breaking things up causes more confusion. I do know that, years ago, this kind of thing got wayy out of control with articles being made about every cover version and remix out there (for example there was an article for Whitney Houston's version of "Star Spangled Banner" and Christine Aguilera's "Christmas Song", two songs covered by approximately 50 billion artists). So per the naming conventions at [[WP:SONG]], all of these articles marked as "(single)" were combined and named uniformly with "(song)". As far as the infobox is concerned, I do see how this could look gaudy to some people, but that's (I think) something that could be taken up in a different discussion with editors who would want to improve the look of infoboxes to make them flow better. Neil Young's version should have a single infobox because, well, it was a single. Saint Etienne's should also be there — both versions have varying degrees of success in different realms of the music world, no?
:::Take a look at some of these and just tell me what you think: granted some of these may also be "lopsided" but most of the time the combining works quite well: [[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]], [[The Passenger (song)]], [[Venus (Shocking Blue song)]], [[Valerie (The Zutons song)]], [[It's My Life (Talk Talk song)]], [[I'll Be There]]. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I see your point. That's not to say that I agree with you, cause that's not the kind of guy I am! Thanks for the links; I'll have a look and will get back to you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
←Speaking of cover versions, have you seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA this] artistic interpretation of a classic? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 23:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Bacon spam==
To all members of the bacon cabal: Did you know that there is a theory that the [[Voynich manuscript]] might be the long lost [[Voynich manuscript#Theories about authorship|Book of Bacon]] ? [[User:Spinningspark|'''SpinningSpark''']] 11:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, that's fantastic. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 12:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Trouble in paradise?==
Things are heating up for the European Parliament [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8084281.stm] with [[Geert Wilders]]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Dolly Rockers==

I was hoping that Astronaut might do the work of adding the references. I was waiting to see some effort in that direction, before I added the sources; apologies that you needed to add them. I've done some work on it now too. [[User:Fences and windows|Fences and windows]] ([[User talk:Fences and windows|talk]]) 16:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, you said the same thing that I've said at AfD many a times: "not my job." And then we go on to make it our jobs anyway! Thanks for helping save a notable article, and thanks for the note. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shift4 ==

I have responded to your message to me about the edits to the Shift4 page on the Discussion page for the Shift4 article. I would like to discuss this matter further, as I believe the edits I made to be valid and not vandalism. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.170.11.126|70.170.11.126]] ([[User talk:70.170.11.126|talk]]) 21:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

== You've got to see this ==

[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld]]--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE:How about this one? ==

The current templates on those two articles don't really deal with plagiarism, but with [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]], which are different and require admin attention (our copyright pages are ''policy'' while our plagiarism page is a guideline). (By the way, do you understand the difference between our copyright policy and the plagiarism guideline? Not meant to be a condescending question, but a legitimate and sincere inquiry [the two are confusing at times, I know]. It just seems that from my previous conversations with you, and your latest message on my talk page, you're mixing the two.) This is because all content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with [[GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GFDL]], even old versions of articles. Therefore, if there are any copyright violations, admins peruse the history of the article and delete the contributions that contain them. These templates are part of this set process, and I would be wary of touching them. I've never been a fan of how big and scary they look, but I assume it's due to the legal implications when dealing with copyvios; they were created long before I joined WP.

I believe the reason why editors are cautioned not to do further editing on the pages is to just make life easier for the admins who look into the articles, so they don't have to do more work in making sure revisions are free of copyvios. In any case, an admin should be along shortly to deal with these two articles. As stated in the instructions, anyone can continue working on the text elsewhere, such as a subpage in the talk namespace. Does that help?

By the way, if you can point me to a source that actually legitimizes the whole "citation but no quotation marks is OK" point of view, I'd be much obliged. I've seen some other editors too hold this point of view, but I still have no idea where this comes from. No definition/discussion of plagiarism I've encountered considers this to be OK. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 01:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
*I am aware of the difference, yes. Since neither of the two articles were simply copied from the sources (the charge at the relevant RfA was, I imagine, that they were too close to copyvio to be called legitimate paraphrase) you'd have to make a case for why they would be copyvios, and the answer suggested, though not provided (you were never explicit), was "they're too close to the source.". That can only mean that they are not paraphrased properly, but the yardstick for "proper paraphrase" is quite unclear. ([[WP:copyvio]] doesn't specifiy.) And by the way, I never said "citation but no quotation marks is OK." I was talking about ''attribution'' and every source I've ever looked at (see my comments [[User_talk:Ottava_Rima#plagiarism.2C_from_RfA|elsewhere]]) makes lack of attribution essential in the charge of plagiarism. That I talk about copyvio and plagiarism side-by-side is because a. they are related (no matter whether one thing is policy and the other guideline) and b. plenty of participants in the RfA accused the candidate of plagiarism (see Durova's comments, for instance).I note, by the way, that at the RfA you actually didn't specify what the issues were, precisely: you gave two sets of two passages, and I concluded that you ''meant'' to say that they were too close, so close that they should be called copyvio. But that also is a judgment call, and while I freely admit that in my opinion ''some'' (though not all) of those passages should have been paraphrased more in the author's own words, the rhetorical power of the copyvio template, which (and I repeat myself) I believe was applied unjustly, was such that the RfA was hijacked, in my opinion. Your use of ellipsis towards the end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kelapstick&diff=293437887&oldid=293427174 your comment] is telling in that respect. And that is why I said what I said. While I don't want to make light of the problem of copyright violations, I am still not convinced that that was what we were dealing with here--and we were certainly not dealing with plagiarism. Rather than ask me if I know the difference, I'd like for you to address my charge: that all-too-close paraphrase (a matter of judgment) does not automatically add up to a copyright violation, and that your pasting COPYVIO all over this candidacy helped damn it. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:*OK, for a moment I thought you were actually being serious on my talk page, but instead it looks like you're out here to bait me with your passive aggressive attacks. It's not going to work. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Twillig, you're not reading very carefully. I was being serious, and I'm not trying to be passive at all. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Seed swap ==

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:You put a lot of effort into saving some shack near U o Bama's campus, but nothing for [[Anarchist naturism]]? Now it's gone. So many people will be left in ignorance without coverage of this important subject. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, it's gone? (Was it ever there?) Yes, the shack is saved--did you see Alarob's comments at that AfD? I don't know what to think. Sorry about the naturism thing. Recreate it, why don't you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Bacon enthusiasts are known for breaking chairs, especially those of faulty design. Someone removed my cardboard chair pic from the [[cardboard]] article. Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== ''[[Hell Awaits]]'' you... ==

...we have heavy metal <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[WP:GENREWARRIOR|Genre Warrior]]: "you mean black metal, right?"] and hot girls! {{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 02:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, I can do with some hot girls! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Loki, what's that word that's misspoken? You can't just tease the reader like that! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Most of that you reorganized, was not written by me.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha, I'm glad--I wouldn't want to mess with you. But still, what's the word? Now I'm curious. Don't make me search the blogs and stuff... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::[http://rapidshare.com/files/62280605/Slayer_-_Hell_Awaits.rar Is this?]--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You can "save" [[Commercial Metal|this article]]? Also, thanks for answer my last reply.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'll have a look--but as you may know, Blackmetalbaz is my master metallurgian. I downloaded the file, but haven't listened to it yet, since I can't unpack it where I'm at. I'll get back to you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 19:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Haha, I don't think there's any saving that one. Good luck! Oh, I played that album in the car. Not bad, but anytime I want to hear something more or less like that I go to the [[Chaos AD|best thing]]. As for that misspelled word--I think that whole passage should be dropped from the article, since it's really a bit trivial, don't you think? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don't think. Ah, so you should listen to bands like: [[Meshuggah]], [[Ephel Duath (band)|Ephel Duath]], [[Deathspell Omega]], [[Sigh (band)|Sigh]]...; all different, but connected by their experimentalism. ([[Sepultura]] is a very experimental band) --[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 05:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::(Regarding [[Evangelion (album)#Preproduction, recording and production|''Evangelion'' (album)]]) Hi, you could take a look in this article, please.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 20:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::I carry a very blunt axe... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:{{=)|wink2}}--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 21:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

----
You could copy-edit this [[Dream Theater discography|list]]? Ah, you saw [[Talk:Hell Awaits|that]]? And the bands above, you listened?--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Cortez Gold Mine]]==
Hi. I see that you've expressed an interest in helping clean up this article, and it would be much appreciated, particularly if you have access to [http://www.miningmagazine.com/mine-of-the-month/cortez-hills--the-latest-chapter]. I can't view it. I can confirm that there is some duplication from [http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/cortez/], as with "the first simultaneous start-up of an underground and surface mine in Nevada", but I don't know what needs to be cleaned from the other source. Lacking access to it, if I am left to address it (and can't find somebody who ''can'' access it), I'm not going to have any option but to rewrite or remove the article. Can you help? (I'll be watching your talk page. Please let me know either way, since I'll be looking around for other resources if necessary.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Check your email, girl! I hope that helps. As you can see in the history, I did some of it already, but I don't know how well or if it was to satisfaction; I may not have been in the best frame of mind. Thanks for your help, and let me know what I can do. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. :) Given the complexity of the article, I probably won't be able to address it until tomorrow (getting late in my part of the world), but your assistance is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. It's not so late here, but I'm waiting for this cute little girl sitting next to me to go to bed (that is, when ''[[Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey|Homeward Bound]]'' is over). Drop me a line; I may have some time tomorrow in between classes. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I envy you. I've got ''[[Paul Blart: Mall Cop]]''. (sigh) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Can you undelete and stub-ify the Batu Hijau article please? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 01:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, I can't undelete a copyvio. The article was listed for a week as per process to allow contributors an opportunity to address it, but unfortunately nobody did so, and the copyright infringement was foundational, going all the way back to the first edit. There was no clean version to revert to. If you'd like to create a stub, I'd be happy to give you any non-GFDL infringing elements from the page, including categories or external links. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::the sources and info box are enough for me to rewrite it properly. Cheers. [[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 01:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::All right. I'll prop them in your userspace if you'd like. Note that I did also offer the template-blanked version back for a few days [[User_talk:Bongomatic#Your_note.2C_Drmies_page|at Bongomatic's talk page]]. I don't know if you read the template, but you are welcome to revise the article in the temporary space if you'd like, alone or in tandem. That stands for this one as well. All that matters is that problematic text be dealt with. If you have any questions about paraphrasing, I'd be happy to help you. I suspect you know quite a lot more about this subject than I do. (Sorry for parking on your talkpage, Drmies. :))--[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No that's fine--if I knew y'all were coming I'd made you coffee and baked some cakes. What is this, the first chapter of ''[[The Hobbit]]''? I did make some edits to Cortez, but then I read the template again and undid them. I looked at it one more time and now I think I know what I should have done...too complicated for me. Anyway, I'm happy--we're all on it, the article will be back in good shape, Shadow and all them found their way home (though my daughter was ''still'' crying cause he hurt his paw), my daughter is in bed, my phone-laptop-Bluetooth connection miraculously started working, and the coffee is ready. And the mall is safe from crime, I imagine. MRGirl, you're welcome here anytime. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha! [[Kristin Hersh]]! Haven't thought about her in forever. I used to have a tape (yes, a tape) of ''Hips and Makers'', with that creepy song with Michael Stipe. (That article needs a good scrubbing.) Guess I'll have to dig that up now, and find my old Walkman. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Having the template blanked version would be good, but either way is fine with me. I see Bongo commented on his talk as to a location. It is most appreciated. Also I will take a look at the offline refs of Cortez Hills tomorrow and make sure they are not in violation. I think I have the magazine on my desk still (under a large pile of paper). We watched ''[[Bedtime Stories (film)|Bedtime Stories]]'' last night, well worth it. Rock on.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 03:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::All right. It is so userfied. I appreciate your looking into the Cortez Hills article as well. I now have access to the material, so I can help as needed, but it is not my area of expertise. Editing, on the other hand, is (not Wikipedia; I mean it in the general sense), so please don't hesitate to let me know if you've found something you can't figure out how to put into your own words. Nevermind what I do with it off-Wiki, I've been doing it on Wiki every day for almost a year. :) Linguistics [[Rubic's Cube]]. ''Bedtime Stories'' was way better than ''Mall Cop''. :D [[User:Drmies|Drmies]], is Gandalf here yet? (I love that song. And it is creepy. If you haven't heard her lately, you should check out what 15 years of heavy smoking and not taking care of her throat have done. Her voice is incredibly textured.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 10:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Hey Doc, [[User:Kelapstick/Cortez Gold Mine]] and [[Batu Hijau mine]] are done (following a sprinkle of [[holy water]] on Cortez), so that monstrosity is finalized. Have yourself a drink, I will talk to you tomorrow.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Dahil Sa Iyo ==

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== Smile ==

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'''Drmies''', Sky Attacker has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! ''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
</div>--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Thanks Legend! I needed that after reading stuff at WP:ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::What did you read? Anything good? Do tell! I barely hear from you any more now that KBC2009 is over. So sad... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::That's cause I'm often on recent changes these days, and you never edit on anything but bureaucratic matters :/ I made a few comments on AfDs, and am doing cleanup on a couple of things. Well, another longtime contributor apparently left, an admin is threatened with being stripped, nothing new really. But it's always a bit sad to see WP editors yelling and getting worked up, on matters that often, from the outside looking in, seem trivial. Hey, I saw a minute of ''[[Chopped]]'' just now, and the loser seemed to have made [[chocolate covered bacon]] for his dessert. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I thought Blofield came back? Who left? I'm fighting for my Wikilife on bureaucratic matters kiddo. 1 revert per article per week? Which Admin is threatened with a stripping? Is it a cute one? I'll have to check out chopped. I'm thinking of setting up some sock accounts so I can become and Admin and get a seat on Arbcom. What do you think? Seriously though, none of this is trivial. It's all VERY important. They're trying to delete Auburn's 2010 football team before they even have a chance![http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_10#2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team] Tough times for all of us. Cheerios. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::And what happened to the Snake 'n Bake? I tried to tivo it but no luck. Is it gone forever? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Blofeld is back, but Stifle made a no-no, according to some, and Shoemaker's Holiday called it quits. And I didn't say it ''was'' trivial--I said it looked trivial from the outside. Our recent RfA adventures were FAR from trivial, but we were on the inside. And for Auburn: the biggest news there is the resignation of [[Bobby Lowder]]--and our article says nothing about the enormous amounts of gossip going around! And I don't know about Snake 'n' Bacon...I don't have that channel... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you can help determine the future of [[Animal love]] (safe for work... at least last I checked) and [[Jesse Dee]]. Stifle seems to be more reasonable than ever lately, although I don't think I see eye to eye with the kid. I'll have to look into that.

"From trivial, but we were on the inside"? What kind of yoda-speak is this? Have you been hanging out with my main man GTB? I take it you are high on life? :)
*No yoda--just forgot a word. Please note my correction of the grievous error, sir. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is 2010 this coming season or the following season? Anyway, "your" Lakers <s>are</s> were looking good <s>so far</s>. Not really a match-up that I find particularly interesting. Keep it real. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
*I assume you're being sympathetic. The commentators also tried to see the Lakers glass as half-full. My problem is that game 4 is played Sunday evening, and we're going camping in [[DeSoto State Park]], and I don't know if we'll be back home on time. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm VERY sympathetic. I hadn't realized they were playing last night, so I was commenting on the first two games until I found out they had lost. As success follows me everywhere, it won't be surprising when LA wins the championship. As for my Jets??? well... They're not much without me and Keyshawn now are they.[[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Another 3RR issue over at death metal==
One particular editor keeps reinserting the text regarding "brutal death metal" despite its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brutal death metal|deletion]]. They are clearly in breach of 3RR at this stage. Care to take a look? [[User:Blackmetalbaz|Blackmetalbaz]] ([[User talk:Blackmetalbaz|talk]]) 11:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw it yesterday. Did you report them? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just saw a picture on Facebook of an old friend of mine playing [[piano]] for [[Jan Peter Balkenende]], he (the PM) had on a weird tie.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I left before he was out of diapers. I'd never even heard of him, and I hope you won't mind if I don't put a picture of him up here! But...your friend plays piano for heads of state? That's not a bad gig! Was he tired of mining? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Never was in mining, always a [[Piano Man (song)|Piano Man]]. Actually I knew him long before I considered digging in the dirt. He's going to school in the Netherlands, music something, not sure how he got that gig put I would agree it is a pretty good one.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== first vs second treaty ==

Good error catch on the treaty with Mexico. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yours is infinitely more reliable. Like Wikipedia itself those less reputable websites are ok for giving you ideas, but its always best to get a second and more reliable source for web based facts. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/297926692.html?dids=297926692:297926692&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Apr+09%2C+1918&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=CARRANZA+GREETS+KING+OF+BELGIUM&pqatl=google King and Queen of Belgium visited Mexico in 1918] but I am about to go to bed, can you peek if you are still awake and see if you can find a better reference? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 06:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
*I found [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z3gLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5623,4213429&dq=carranza+king+of+belgium this]--I don't have access to old editions of the Monitor. As far as I can tell it wasn't a visit, just a telegram. Still, it was a telegram important enough to be reported on in ''[[The Evening Independent]]''--somewhat strange, really. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Cubs197|reply}}
I replied to you on my talk page.--[[User:Cubs197|Cubs197]] ([[User talk:Cubs197|talk]]) 05:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Red Deer ==

Curious, what pages are affected? I've found [[Red Deer, Alberta]], [[Red Deer]] the animal, and [[Red Deer (disambiguation)]], plus redirects to those pages. You're correct that I have tools that you don't: I can fix the move from Red deer (animal) to Red Deer. That's the only change that I can see that you can't fix; are there any others? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Is everything fixed, as far as you can see? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think so--thanks a lot for your help. I was afraid I had done more harm than good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

=="Intentional wrongdoers"==
You freaking cheaters! Isn't this de ja vus all over again? How is it that you don't win more with all these violations? Tsk tsk tsk. I hope this foul play doesn't reflect poorly on the devoted student athletes and high standards maintained by Auburn and other SEC schools. Should Bama be demoted to Div 2 for a while until they can get things in order? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Eeeeehhhhh...what are you talking about? Do I need to listen to talk radio more? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Hmm. OK. Well, at least it wasn't ALL the sports, just "softball, baseball, women's gymnastics, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, men's golf, women's golf, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's tennis, women's tennis, men's track and field, women's track and field, women's soccer and women's volleyball."<ref name="NCAA">{{cite news
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| url = http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090611/NLETTER02/90611036
| accessdate = 2009-06-11}}</ref> Flag football and rugby seem to be squeaky clean, so that's a relief, and as "1solidrock" wrote on the ''[[Montgomery Advertiser]]'''s website, "Must be some Auburn, LSU, Tennessee influence somewhere on this supposed impartial panel."<ref name="NCAA"/> [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute. I just looked at the source you provided. This whole hoo hah is about free textbooks? Seriously? Ahahahahaha. USC players are getting nice cars and houses for their folks and you guys get busted for giving away textbooks to your athletes. Too funny. All is fair in love and war my friend. Go Tigers!!! :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===References===
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== a general thank you... ==

...to users Kelapstick, MuZemike, and Alansohn for keeping it clean. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Keeping what clean? This sounds dirty... What have you guys been up to? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Why wasn't Bynum in the game? Is Kobe allowed to elbow people in the face? He must have Admin status... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it was an exciting game. Howard should have made his free throws and the game would have been over in regulation. Cheerios. Congrats. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I even saw some of it. And Bynum was in the game, and yes, Kobe can do anything he likes! I was glad that Fisher had a couple of nice shots. (Clean: check the history of my user page, haha.) You doing alright? Plans for the weekend? Working on some bilateral relations perhaps? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
About floating is also a box? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
*This edit
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spekkoek&curid=8101897&diff=296445064&oldid=252769602] needs a check and some clean up ([[speculaas]] can be wikilinked too). One of your compatriots at work, I presume? I was doing some Google News checking on various old article subjects I've worked on and I see [[Kees Christiaanse]] is still in the news. Apparently he's involved in this and that, keeping the colonial legacy going in Indonesia and what have you. How do you find [[This Earth of Mankind]] so far? Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw this comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALugnuts&diff=296578104&oldid=296483724] and I thought you might like to help with the effort. If you guys stick to the notable ones it should only take a day or two at the most. I don't think there are more than 2 or 3. :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Warning templates ==

Not a dumb question at all. :) The reason it is confusing if because that template isn't meant to be used directly. Instead use:

<nowiki>{{</nowiki>subst:spam-warn|''page''|header=1<nowiki>}} ~~~~</nowiki>

where ''page'' is the page you placed the speedy tag on.

For convenience, the speedy template should have a ready made version that you can copy and paste near the bottom of it (after it has been added to an article).

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even better, Doctor, try using Twinkle and Friendly, which can now be installed though your gadgets settings at your preferences. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 18:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Floodplain (album)]] ==

Hi! Do you have the album? If so, could you please look what is written in the notes about Ram Narayan's involvement, if any, and tell me? That would be very kind. Thank you. [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 17:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. I don't have the album here so I'll have to get back to you. The [http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/floodplain Nonesuch website] has a little bit of information, but not what you're looking for, I think. There's a short paragraph for each song, and I'll see what it says. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! Please feel free to send me an email (link on my userpage). [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 00:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::You know, having the recording they took their version from, I'm sad no review commented on comparisons between the original versions and the covers. I've only found the four reviews though, do you know of any I didn't put in the infobox? [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 11:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Stanley R. Jaffe]] ==

I gave Sam a bit of expansion and sourcing. There is lots more out there. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 00:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Jason L. McCoy]] ==
I saw in the edit history that you were considering speedy for this page, but since no one has done that and the page has been up for a bit, I PRODded it; just letting you know. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks. I did consider it, but the guy is a mayor and I don't know if that makes him automatically notable. If you look through the various versions, though, you'll see quickly why I considered it. Thanks, Spaceman; I'll add the page to my watchlist. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I think being a mayor of a town of 25k people will probably get a pass from CSD, but he still doesn't qualify per either [[WP:Politician]] or [[WP:N]] from what I've been able to find, so I decided to PROD. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Yes sorry about that. You were too fast for me :-) --[[User:Jmh649|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*No problem at all. I should have realized, actually, that your name looked familiar to me and that I'd seen your edits (or maybe vandalism reverts) on a medical article a couple of months ago. Happy editing, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pick your hook.... ==

====Stanley R. Jaffe====

{{*mp}}... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' after resigning as president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1971 to found his own producton company, returned 20 years later in 1991 to be president of [[Paramount Communications]] and then replaced [[Brandon Tartikoff]] in 1992 as president of [[Paramount Pictures]] ?

:*'''ALT1''':... that after producing ''[[Goodbye, Columbus (film)|Goodby Columbus]]'', '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was appointed president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1970, only to resign in 1971 to form his own production company ?
:*'''ALT2''':... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was president of several different [[Paramount Pictures]] divisions, yet never held any one postion with them for more than 2 years ?
:*''Comment'': article a collaborative effort inspired by [[User:Drmies]]
Created by [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]), [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|MichaelQSchmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]). Self nom at 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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'''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Michael, I like the first and the third. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

*It has been submitted to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADid_you_know&diff=297667396&oldid=297665544 DYK]. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotoosvanrobin/3082739432/] Freely licensed. Came up when I was investigating the subject of [[spice cake]] (new article). What is sea foam? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*No clue! I've never liked speculaas that much, BTW. Hey, I'm making [[english muffins]] as we speak. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[WP:TRIVIA]] ==

Like many WP editors, you seem to be under a complete misapprehension of what "trivia" means: re-read the policy, it applies to the '''style''' of writing (bulleted list of various facts), not the '''content'''. If the section is well written in a form of prose, there is nothing wrong with having it. As for a search engine not being a reliable source – I've quoted two reliable sources that definitely back up the credibility of that engine (in this case, an answer providing forum). [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 01:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*Oh, I'm sorry--I thought the policy said "Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined"; and I thought that meant, for instance, that trivia sections should be avoided. If you think that search engines are reliable sources, then I doubt that reading [[WP:RS]] will do you much good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmm... looks like you didn't bother to read my response at all. "Trivia sections should be avoided" applies to '''''bulleted lists''''', not all sections labeled "trivia" – hence "''a better method of representation.''" If the section is written as prose it does not fall under that category in that specific guideline. The section can also be renamed. As for [[WP:RS]], there is no mentioning of search engines – neither there nor in [[WP:NOR]]. Please do correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 07:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I did, and I will again. You'll note that "trivia sections" means "trivia sections." The results of search engines cannot, by their very nature, be reliable sources. That such a statement calls for explanation is precisely what I meant by saying that reading [[WP:RS]] probably won't do you any good. You seem to fail to understand that a search engine may ''give'' you sources but isn't a source in its own right (except for information such as number of hits with that search engine, which is pretty trivial). I hope the phrase [[Garbage In, Garbage Out]] means anything to you. (Something similar applies to answer forums, which are just as unreliable as references.) Lastly, it boggles me that someone would cite the results of a search engine when that search engine can give you the actual reference. That's the kind of intellectual laziness that best befits ''[[Super Why!]]'' Why not just read the paper or a book to get some information? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::::OK, let's analyze your overview by putting facts together. First, pros:
::::#[[WP:NOR|Your personal opinion]] about non-reliability of search engines/answer forums as well as the definition of "trivia", backed up by [[WP:RS|absolutely nothing]] that can be cited as a WP policy.
::::#????
::::#Profit! [[Image:Smile.svg]]
::::On the other hand, let's see the cons:
::::#Quoting [[WP:TRIVIA]]: ''This [[WP:Manual of Style|style guideline]] deals with the way in which these facts are represented in an article, not with whether the information contained within them is actually trivia, or whether trivia belongs in Wikipedia.''" In other owrds, exactly what I wrote – style, not content.
::::#Both [[ESPN]] and the [[Wall Street Journal]] can be quoted recommending ChaCha as a good source of answers. To quote [[WP:RS]]: ''How accepted, high-quality reliable sources use a given source provides evidence, positive or negative, for its reliability and reputation. The more widespread and consistent this use is, the stronger the evidence.'' In other words – good reputation=reliability.
::::#To quote [[WP:NPOV]]: ''Editorial bias toward one particular point of view should be removed or repaired.'' In other words – and as I told you, this problem is deeply rooted within many WP editors – the personal judgment of what constitutes trivia (and whether it should be removed under these pretenses) does not belong on WP altogether.
::::So... no, in this case "trivia sections" does not mean [what you perceive as] "trivia sections." [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 13:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Sherry Lansing]] ==

After working on [[Stanley R. Jaffe]], I could not leave Sherry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sherry_Lansing&diff=296998339&oldid=295088214 unreferenced] and open to deletion nomination by some editor too lazy to look for sources. So I did some major expansion of her awards and recognitions and sourced it fairly well. You decide which hook you wish for the Jaffe DYK? '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Opps. Just saw. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Wow, nice work, MQS, as always. Pleasure hanging out with you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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== Remove the stench ==
[[Image:Disinfection liquid.JPG|200px|left|thumb|Disinfectant attached to a befouled RfA process]]This might be useful. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
*Hey, I just had a quick look at [[Clifton's Cafeteria]]--nice! Of course, I didn't check to see if your punctuation was plagiarized or not, which is entirely possible. I didn't know it was featured in ''[[On the Road]]'', which I read long, long before I ever came to the US (and so many things didn't make sense to me, but it did make for a different and probably valuable reading experience). Speaking of new things, I went to a baseball game tonight, for the first time in my life. The mascot, [[Montgomery Biscuits|Big Mo]], even came to our box--unfortunately just as my oldest daughter was on the playground, and the five-month old didn't seem to care, haha. But the fast food (and the [[fried chicken]] with [[biscuit]]s and [[white gravy]]) was pretty good, and fun, since I never eat that. And I had a couple of beers with my colleague, and forgot all about stuff for a couple of hours. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
**Spring in the homeland [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cermivelli/3462904487/]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
***Wow, nice... Thanks for that shot. The summer semester has started here, and I miss being home in the summer, doing (next to) nothing. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Thanks again ==
[[File:Biere Duvel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Try this.]]
As I promised myself I spent Sunday with my family, drank too much beer and even hosted a last minute BBQ (sorry you couldn't make it). I even managed to take a friend of mine to school in [[Mario Kart Wii|Mario Kart]]. I want to thank you again for nominating my for adminship in addition to all the other support you provided. As for my justification for withdrawal, I felt that the examples provided by BuddingJournalist/TwilligToves showed me that I need to focus on my content contributions before I am ready to branch out in other areas of responsibility. While my opinion was that Ottava's examples were taken out of context (as I showed), the larger ones were not. The decision was not based on whether or not I felt I was in violation of any policy or guideline it was something I felt was the right thing to do. My primary focus here is content and I need to have that down before I can advance further. As I explained I felt that Ottava's examples were enough to point out that I had some work to do but not enough to hang me from the proverbial [[yardarms]]. This is in regards to two issues (1) WP:PLAGIARISM was only promoted to a guideline on 20 May (or about 11 days ago), so I feel it is a little early to claim people are in violation of it (since nobody actually did say I was in violation of it I did not bring it up, but I felt the intention was there) (2) as you have stated (and I will bring up again), the definition is far too ambiguous to be used in any discussion regarding an editors actions, and based on that alone in my opinion the guideline does not hold water. I appreciated Ottava's assumption of good faith and his going neutral following my efforts to correct them. I am not sure which way the actual RfA would have gone if it had fully proceeded, and truthfully right now I do not want to think about it. Now I have some serious matters to get to, as I recall there was a request from Bongo to have an article written about some bug, and now that this and the bacon challenge are over I can get back to improving the encyclopedia, which is all I ever wanted to do. I am glad you got to a baseball game, I was at a [[Reno Aces]] game a few weeks ago, good times and a great park (brand new too). If you are in the area let me know and we can catch one. Cheers and happy editing. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:K, you are a nice guy, and a much better man than I am, I think. I agree absolutely on the two issues. I felt like tanking the whole WP thing, but there's too much work to be done. But right now I'm focusing on only one tiny little thing, one article, and am leaving the rest for what it is--I'm sure that won't be forever. (I did make some minor edits to that Barrock mine article, but didn't feel like removing the template yet--I don't want to appear to spiteful, and besides, who knows what the guidelines are?) As for BBQ, that's always a good thing. I enjoy cooking it more than eating it, haha. I got some hickory from Publix; earlier, I used scrap oak from various carpentry projects. Thanks for the note. You know you have made a ton of friends here on WP--just look at the list of names of supporters. Take it easy! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Strode Mansion]]==
Not sure how notable this subject is as it's on the campus of a school with subpar football team. But I thought you might want to have a look. GO TIGERS!!! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I came across [[naturist anarchism]], a subject I in which I believe you have great expertise. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh and here's one more for you [[The Applejacks (NL band)]], a Dutch band based on an American breakfast cereal. I prefer raisin bran. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:How's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Applejacks_(NL_band)&curid=23049569&diff=294007074&oldid=294005941 this edit summary] for irony?--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 19:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::Haha, nice, but am I expected to save this joint? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::As far as I can tell there aren't any Dutch bands that are notable. I hope that helps. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Tell that to [[Shocking Blue]]. Hey, Applejack might be less not-notable than I thought. I don't think there will be enough, but who knows...if they win [[The Next Stage]] this month in the [[Melkweg]]... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoM, you have a lot of nominating to do: [[:Category:Dutch musical groups]]. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 05:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Doc when you're done futzing with that Dutch [[garage band]], will you have a look at this edit to an article on one of your Democratic political buddies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Villaraigosa&curid=21347195&diff=294103426&oldid=294103125#cite_note-36]? Thanks mucho. I know you have the highest content, sourcing and NPOV standards. And I know I can count on you to ensure that we expose any sort of spin doctoring and covering up of cronyism between socialists and their big business allies who are bankrupting this country. Kudos! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 06:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dimitris Melissanidis ==

What do mean by "misspelling"? "Dimitris" and "Dimitrios" is the same name in Greek. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They are two articles for the same person. Take one and improve it. Take the other one and redirect to the other. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

==Art Walk==
here you go [http://www.flickr.com/photos/34815340@N06/3587366104/in/set-72157619171206542/] You can scroll through the rest of the shots from that link. Sorry about the delay. You and MQS have been very patient. There are more photos, but I hit the Flickr limit. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Nice! Nice trip, I'm jealous. Wish I could have joined you! Lots of cool things--I liked the Alessi display. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.webundies.com/nu030r2m.htm?AID=10273800&PID=2876692] What do you think? The end is near? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the end is near. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/S_Marshall| S Marshall RfA]] ==

I am a bit puzzled... since you nommed the candidate, do you intend to !vote for support? I don't see it yet. --'''''[[User:Stanistani|Stani]][[User talk:Stanistani|Stani ]]''''' 06:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Isn't it obvious that I support the candidate I nominate? Strongly? But it's all water under the bridge now. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Heads Up ==

Just in case you didn't know already. [[User:Dr. Blofeld]] has retired.--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 09:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Legend. That is not good news. Blofeld and I had a bit of fun together and produced some nice stuff. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like Dr. Blofeld will ever be coming back. I think he's gone forever....--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Angels on horseback ==

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== Strode House ==

I don't have anything helpful on the shelf, although I may be able to locate something. (There's a book I haven't had a chance to check yet.) I have weighed in on the AfD, and I think the consensus is strongly in favor of notability. — [[User:Alarob|ℜob C.]] ''alias'' [[User_talk:Alarob|'''ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ''']] 16:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Rob. Yeah, the status as a historical building ought to be enough, but I am also interested in seeing the article fleshed out a bit more. It ''is'' a beautiful, beautiful building. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of the Netherlands, I forgot to tell you that I watched a whole segment on [[European Journal]] about the collapsing pension system in the Netherlands. And it seems they are pushing back the reirement age to 67. Folks who bought into Al Gore's lock-box lie over here are likely in for a much worse surprise when they realize Uncle Sam has saved not a penny on their behalf. Good thing we shot down those personal accounts... ooops I mean "PRIVATIZED" social security system. Egads! :) My local weekly did a feature story on "bacon bits" including J&Ds lip balm, a car that runs on bacon (BioBlend Fuels) and the BA-K-47 from thisisfreakingridiculous.com. So the end will have to wait until next week. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah, I'm sure the Dutch are terrified at their coming doom, and will be running to apply for American citizenship. At least here you ''know'' you don't get jack! (Not even Applejack.) Maybe Uncle Sam can try to retrieve some of those cargo planes full of cash that dropped their contents on Iraq during the previous administration. Hey, I saw the AfD for the list of bacon dishes--funny how bacon really brings out the carnivores in a lot of WP editors! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those planes have been diverted for Obama's war games in Afghanistan. Here's a link for your weapon of choice [http://www.thisisfreakingridiculous.com/tifr/2009/4/13/ba-k-47.html]. And here's the EJ story [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4262386,00.html]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nice! Looks a lot better than my standard issue. Oh...Afghanistan...yes...I forgot...where we were fighting the "war on terror" until we started fighting the "war for Halliburton and Blackwater"... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Pfff. That's German news. It couldn't possibly be true. Ha, did you see the GM ads on TV, arguing that this is only the beginning of a new kind of car industry? This is getting too serious--time for football season to begin. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Didn't the majority leader in the Senate declare the war in Iraq lost some time ago? Government Motors is indeed the beginning of a very new car industry. And they're trying to implement the same operational structure on health care and the rest of the private sector as well. :) Football? We still have a ways to go. I wonder if your QB and Auburn's DB will make teams... Stay cool. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::When you guys are done talking politics and football can you swing by [[User:Kelapstick/Samuel L. Jackson filmography]] and see how it looks (same request posted on Bongo's talk page too). I trues when I show up in the morning it will look nothing as it does now? Thanks. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Only Love Can Break Your Heart==
Please stop removing the cover version from this article. "Some other band" (Saint Etienne's) version is notable enough to be included and to have an infobox, as it charted as a top-40 UK single and a number-one U.S. dance single. Song articles within Wikipedia include original versions, as well as notable covers and/or remixes. If you are going to make such a huge, sweeping change to an article, please take it up on the Talk Page first. Thanks. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think that it is against policy to keep them together; in fact I can give you a zillion examples of song articles that include more than one version of the same song.... although I'm sure you've seen quite a few throughout WP. I will, however, (if you'd like) assist in beefing up the Neil Young portion. I do agree that it is extremely lopsided (that extensive track list section probably isn't imperative) but that's not a reason to spin off the Saint Etienne part. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Eric, I'll keep it here, so we don't have to go back and forth all the time. The way I look at it, the Saint Etienne version ''is'' a spin-off, and so the article should be too, and, as I mentioned before, it deserves its own article. And part of the problem, besides the lopsidedness (which could be solved by editing and writing), is the double set of infoboxes, which I find confusing and esthetically not very pleasing, and the somewhat strange set of categories. Again, it seems to me that the article is about a song, by Neil Young, on ''After the Gold Rush'' (and the infobox should be, IMO, for "song" and not for "single"), sure, with one of those "for the hit by Saint Etienne, see [[etc.]]" lines at the top; and a no.1 hit single should get its own article. Combining them suggests that the Saint Etienne single isn't notable enough in its own right to have an article despite having been a no.1 hit. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I do see the point, but I look at it this way: an article is about a ''song''. Someone writes it, records it, puts it on an album, releases it as a single, has a hit. Lovely. Someone else records their interpretation, has another hit with it. And so on. All of this is part of the history of the song. i.e, in a perfect encyclopedia (I'm dreaming here) there would be info on the inspiration of the song, what went into recording it, maybe some chart info.... then (below) more on what made Artist #2 choose this song to record, how it was produced, etc. (all this assuming of course it meets notability guidelines). I think breaking things up causes more confusion. I do know that, years ago, this kind of thing got wayy out of control with articles being made about every cover version and remix out there (for example there was an article for Whitney Houston's version of "Star Spangled Banner" and Christine Aguilera's "Christmas Song", two songs covered by approximately 50 billion artists). So per the naming conventions at [[WP:SONG]], all of these articles marked as "(single)" were combined and named uniformly with "(song)". As far as the infobox is concerned, I do see how this could look gaudy to some people, but that's (I think) something that could be taken up in a different discussion with editors who would want to improve the look of infoboxes to make them flow better. Neil Young's version should have a single infobox because, well, it was a single. Saint Etienne's should also be there — both versions have varying degrees of success in different realms of the music world, no?
:::Take a look at some of these and just tell me what you think: granted some of these may also be "lopsided" but most of the time the combining works quite well: [[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]], [[The Passenger (song)]], [[Venus (Shocking Blue song)]], [[Valerie (The Zutons song)]], [[It's My Life (Talk Talk song)]], [[I'll Be There]]. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I see your point. That's not to say that I agree with you, cause that's not the kind of guy I am! Thanks for the links; I'll have a look and will get back to you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
←Speaking of cover versions, have you seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA this] artistic interpretation of a classic? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 23:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Bacon spam==
To all members of the bacon cabal: Did you know that there is a theory that the [[Voynich manuscript]] might be the long lost [[Voynich manuscript#Theories about authorship|Book of Bacon]] ? [[User:Spinningspark|'''SpinningSpark''']] 11:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, that's fantastic. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 12:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Trouble in paradise?==
Things are heating up for the European Parliament [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8084281.stm] with [[Geert Wilders]]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Dolly Rockers==

I was hoping that Astronaut might do the work of adding the references. I was waiting to see some effort in that direction, before I added the sources; apologies that you needed to add them. I've done some work on it now too. [[User:Fences and windows|Fences and windows]] ([[User talk:Fences and windows|talk]]) 16:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, you said the same thing that I've said at AfD many a times: "not my job." And then we go on to make it our jobs anyway! Thanks for helping save a notable article, and thanks for the note. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shift4 ==

I have responded to your message to me about the edits to the Shift4 page on the Discussion page for the Shift4 article. I would like to discuss this matter further, as I believe the edits I made to be valid and not vandalism. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.170.11.126|70.170.11.126]] ([[User talk:70.170.11.126|talk]]) 21:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

== You've got to see this ==

[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld]]--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE:How about this one? ==

The current templates on those two articles don't really deal with plagiarism, but with [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]], which are different and require admin attention (our copyright pages are ''policy'' while our plagiarism page is a guideline). (By the way, do you understand the difference between our copyright policy and the plagiarism guideline? Not meant to be a condescending question, but a legitimate and sincere inquiry [the two are confusing at times, I know]. It just seems that from my previous conversations with you, and your latest message on my talk page, you're mixing the two.) This is because all content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with [[GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GFDL]], even old versions of articles. Therefore, if there are any copyright violations, admins peruse the history of the article and delete the contributions that contain them. These templates are part of this set process, and I would be wary of touching them. I've never been a fan of how big and scary they look, but I assume it's due to the legal implications when dealing with copyvios; they were created long before I joined WP.

I believe the reason why editors are cautioned not to do further editing on the pages is to just make life easier for the admins who look into the articles, so they don't have to do more work in making sure revisions are free of copyvios. In any case, an admin should be along shortly to deal with these two articles. As stated in the instructions, anyone can continue working on the text elsewhere, such as a subpage in the talk namespace. Does that help?

By the way, if you can point me to a source that actually legitimizes the whole "citation but no quotation marks is OK" point of view, I'd be much obliged. I've seen some other editors too hold this point of view, but I still have no idea where this comes from. No definition/discussion of plagiarism I've encountered considers this to be OK. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 01:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
*I am aware of the difference, yes. Since neither of the two articles were simply copied from the sources (the charge at the relevant RfA was, I imagine, that they were too close to copyvio to be called legitimate paraphrase) you'd have to make a case for why they would be copyvios, and the answer suggested, though not provided (you were never explicit), was "they're too close to the source.". That can only mean that they are not paraphrased properly, but the yardstick for "proper paraphrase" is quite unclear. ([[WP:copyvio]] doesn't specifiy.) And by the way, I never said "citation but no quotation marks is OK." I was talking about ''attribution'' and every source I've ever looked at (see my comments [[User_talk:Ottava_Rima#plagiarism.2C_from_RfA|elsewhere]]) makes lack of attribution essential in the charge of plagiarism. That I talk about copyvio and plagiarism side-by-side is because a. they are related (no matter whether one thing is policy and the other guideline) and b. plenty of participants in the RfA accused the candidate of plagiarism (see Durova's comments, for instance).I note, by the way, that at the RfA you actually didn't specify what the issues were, precisely: you gave two sets of two passages, and I concluded that you ''meant'' to say that they were too close, so close that they should be called copyvio. But that also is a judgment call, and while I freely admit that in my opinion ''some'' (though not all) of those passages should have been paraphrased more in the author's own words, the rhetorical power of the copyvio template, which (and I repeat myself) I believe was applied unjustly, was such that the RfA was hijacked, in my opinion. Your use of ellipsis towards the end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kelapstick&diff=293437887&oldid=293427174 your comment] is telling in that respect. And that is why I said what I said. While I don't want to make light of the problem of copyright violations, I am still not convinced that that was what we were dealing with here--and we were certainly not dealing with plagiarism. Rather than ask me if I know the difference, I'd like for you to address my charge: that all-too-close paraphrase (a matter of judgment) does not automatically add up to a copyright violation, and that your pasting COPYVIO all over this candidacy helped damn it. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:*OK, for a moment I thought you were actually being serious on my talk page, but instead it looks like you're out here to bait me with your passive aggressive attacks. It's not going to work. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Twillig, you're not reading very carefully. I was being serious, and I'm not trying to be passive at all. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Seed swap ==

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:You put a lot of effort into saving some shack near U o Bama's campus, but nothing for [[Anarchist naturism]]? Now it's gone. So many people will be left in ignorance without coverage of this important subject. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, it's gone? (Was it ever there?) Yes, the shack is saved--did you see Alarob's comments at that AfD? I don't know what to think. Sorry about the naturism thing. Recreate it, why don't you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Bacon enthusiasts are known for breaking chairs, especially those of faulty design. Someone removed my cardboard chair pic from the [[cardboard]] article. Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== ''[[Hell Awaits]]'' you... ==

...we have heavy metal <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[WP:GENREWARRIOR|Genre Warrior]]: "you mean black metal, right?"] and hot girls! {{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 02:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, I can do with some hot girls! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Loki, what's that word that's misspoken? You can't just tease the reader like that! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Most of that you reorganized, was not written by me.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha, I'm glad--I wouldn't want to mess with you. But still, what's the word? Now I'm curious. Don't make me search the blogs and stuff... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::[http://rapidshare.com/files/62280605/Slayer_-_Hell_Awaits.rar Is this?]--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You can "save" [[Commercial Metal|this article]]? Also, thanks for answer my last reply.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'll have a look--but as you may know, Blackmetalbaz is my master metallurgian. I downloaded the file, but haven't listened to it yet, since I can't unpack it where I'm at. I'll get back to you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 19:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Haha, I don't think there's any saving that one. Good luck! Oh, I played that album in the car. Not bad, but anytime I want to hear something more or less like that I go to the [[Chaos AD|best thing]]. As for that misspelled word--I think that whole passage should be dropped from the article, since it's really a bit trivial, don't you think? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don't think. Ah, so you should listen to bands like: [[Meshuggah]], [[Ephel Duath (band)|Ephel Duath]], [[Deathspell Omega]], [[Sigh (band)|Sigh]]...; all different, but connected by their experimentalism. ([[Sepultura]] is a very experimental band) --[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 05:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::(Regarding [[Evangelion (album)#Preproduction, recording and production|''Evangelion'' (album)]]) Hi, you could take a look in this article, please.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 20:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::I carry a very blunt axe... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:{{=)|wink2}}--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 21:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

----
You could copy-edit this [[Dream Theater discography|list]]? Ah, you saw [[Talk:Hell Awaits|that]]? And the bands above, you listened?--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Cortez Gold Mine]]==
Hi. I see that you've expressed an interest in helping clean up this article, and it would be much appreciated, particularly if you have access to [http://www.miningmagazine.com/mine-of-the-month/cortez-hills--the-latest-chapter]. I can't view it. I can confirm that there is some duplication from [http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/cortez/], as with "the first simultaneous start-up of an underground and surface mine in Nevada", but I don't know what needs to be cleaned from the other source. Lacking access to it, if I am left to address it (and can't find somebody who ''can'' access it), I'm not going to have any option but to rewrite or remove the article. Can you help? (I'll be watching your talk page. Please let me know either way, since I'll be looking around for other resources if necessary.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Check your email, girl! I hope that helps. As you can see in the history, I did some of it already, but I don't know how well or if it was to satisfaction; I may not have been in the best frame of mind. Thanks for your help, and let me know what I can do. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. :) Given the complexity of the article, I probably won't be able to address it until tomorrow (getting late in my part of the world), but your assistance is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. It's not so late here, but I'm waiting for this cute little girl sitting next to me to go to bed (that is, when ''[[Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey|Homeward Bound]]'' is over). Drop me a line; I may have some time tomorrow in between classes. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I envy you. I've got ''[[Paul Blart: Mall Cop]]''. (sigh) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Can you undelete and stub-ify the Batu Hijau article please? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 01:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, I can't undelete a copyvio. The article was listed for a week as per process to allow contributors an opportunity to address it, but unfortunately nobody did so, and the copyright infringement was foundational, going all the way back to the first edit. There was no clean version to revert to. If you'd like to create a stub, I'd be happy to give you any non-GFDL infringing elements from the page, including categories or external links. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::the sources and info box are enough for me to rewrite it properly. Cheers. [[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 01:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::All right. I'll prop them in your userspace if you'd like. Note that I did also offer the template-blanked version back for a few days [[User_talk:Bongomatic#Your_note.2C_Drmies_page|at Bongomatic's talk page]]. I don't know if you read the template, but you are welcome to revise the article in the temporary space if you'd like, alone or in tandem. That stands for this one as well. All that matters is that problematic text be dealt with. If you have any questions about paraphrasing, I'd be happy to help you. I suspect you know quite a lot more about this subject than I do. (Sorry for parking on your talkpage, Drmies. :))--[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No that's fine--if I knew y'all were coming I'd made you coffee and baked some cakes. What is this, the first chapter of ''[[The Hobbit]]''? I did make some edits to Cortez, but then I read the template again and undid them. I looked at it one more time and now I think I know what I should have done...too complicated for me. Anyway, I'm happy--we're all on it, the article will be back in good shape, Shadow and all them found their way home (though my daughter was ''still'' crying cause he hurt his paw), my daughter is in bed, my phone-laptop-Bluetooth connection miraculously started working, and the coffee is ready. And the mall is safe from crime, I imagine. MRGirl, you're welcome here anytime. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha! [[Kristin Hersh]]! Haven't thought about her in forever. I used to have a tape (yes, a tape) of ''Hips and Makers'', with that creepy song with Michael Stipe. (That article needs a good scrubbing.) Guess I'll have to dig that up now, and find my old Walkman. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Having the template blanked version would be good, but either way is fine with me. I see Bongo commented on his talk as to a location. It is most appreciated. Also I will take a look at the offline refs of Cortez Hills tomorrow and make sure they are not in violation. I think I have the magazine on my desk still (under a large pile of paper). We watched ''[[Bedtime Stories (film)|Bedtime Stories]]'' last night, well worth it. Rock on.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 03:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::All right. It is so userfied. I appreciate your looking into the Cortez Hills article as well. I now have access to the material, so I can help as needed, but it is not my area of expertise. Editing, on the other hand, is (not Wikipedia; I mean it in the general sense), so please don't hesitate to let me know if you've found something you can't figure out how to put into your own words. Nevermind what I do with it off-Wiki, I've been doing it on Wiki every day for almost a year. :) Linguistics [[Rubic's Cube]]. ''Bedtime Stories'' was way better than ''Mall Cop''. :D [[User:Drmies|Drmies]], is Gandalf here yet? (I love that song. And it is creepy. If you haven't heard her lately, you should check out what 15 years of heavy smoking and not taking care of her throat have done. Her voice is incredibly textured.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 10:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Hey Doc, [[User:Kelapstick/Cortez Gold Mine]] and [[Batu Hijau mine]] are done (following a sprinkle of [[holy water]] on Cortez), so that monstrosity is finalized. Have yourself a drink, I will talk to you tomorrow.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Dahil Sa Iyo ==

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|On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#June 9 2009|June 9, 2009]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Dahil Sa Iyo]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].
|} [[User:Mifter|Mifter]] ([[User talk:Mifter|talk]]) 23:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Smile ==

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'''Drmies''', Sky Attacker has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! ''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
</div>--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Thanks Legend! I needed that after reading stuff at WP:ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::What did you read? Anything good? Do tell! I barely hear from you any more now that KBC2009 is over. So sad... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::That's cause I'm often on recent changes these days, and you never edit on anything but bureaucratic matters :/ I made a few comments on AfDs, and am doing cleanup on a couple of things. Well, another longtime contributor apparently left, an admin is threatened with being stripped, nothing new really. But it's always a bit sad to see WP editors yelling and getting worked up, on matters that often, from the outside looking in, seem trivial. Hey, I saw a minute of ''[[Chopped]]'' just now, and the loser seemed to have made [[chocolate covered bacon]] for his dessert. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I thought Blofield came back? Who left? I'm fighting for my Wikilife on bureaucratic matters kiddo. 1 revert per article per week? Which Admin is threatened with a stripping? Is it a cute one? I'll have to check out chopped. I'm thinking of setting up some sock accounts so I can become and Admin and get a seat on Arbcom. What do you think? Seriously though, none of this is trivial. It's all VERY important. They're trying to delete Auburn's 2010 football team before they even have a chance![http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_10#2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team] Tough times for all of us. Cheerios. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::And what happened to the Snake 'n Bake? I tried to tivo it but no luck. Is it gone forever? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Blofeld is back, but Stifle made a no-no, according to some, and Shoemaker's Holiday called it quits. And I didn't say it ''was'' trivial--I said it looked trivial from the outside. Our recent RfA adventures were FAR from trivial, but we were on the inside. And for Auburn: the biggest news there is the resignation of [[Bobby Lowder]]--and our article says nothing about the enormous amounts of gossip going around! And I don't know about Snake 'n' Bacon...I don't have that channel... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you can help determine the future of [[Animal love]] (safe for work... at least last I checked) and [[Jesse Dee]]. Stifle seems to be more reasonable than ever lately, although I don't think I see eye to eye with the kid. I'll have to look into that.

"From trivial, but we were on the inside"? What kind of yoda-speak is this? Have you been hanging out with my main man GTB? I take it you are high on life? :)
*No yoda--just forgot a word. Please note my correction of the grievous error, sir. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is 2010 this coming season or the following season? Anyway, "your" Lakers <s>are</s> were looking good <s>so far</s>. Not really a match-up that I find particularly interesting. Keep it real. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
*I assume you're being sympathetic. The commentators also tried to see the Lakers glass as half-full. My problem is that game 4 is played Sunday evening, and we're going camping in [[DeSoto State Park]], and I don't know if we'll be back home on time. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm VERY sympathetic. I hadn't realized they were playing last night, so I was commenting on the first two games until I found out they had lost. As success follows me everywhere, it won't be surprising when LA wins the championship. As for my Jets??? well... They're not much without me and Keyshawn now are they.[[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Another 3RR issue over at death metal==
One particular editor keeps reinserting the text regarding "brutal death metal" despite its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brutal death metal|deletion]]. They are clearly in breach of 3RR at this stage. Care to take a look? [[User:Blackmetalbaz|Blackmetalbaz]] ([[User talk:Blackmetalbaz|talk]]) 11:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw it yesterday. Did you report them? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just saw a picture on Facebook of an old friend of mine playing [[piano]] for [[Jan Peter Balkenende]], he (the PM) had on a weird tie.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I left before he was out of diapers. I'd never even heard of him, and I hope you won't mind if I don't put a picture of him up here! But...your friend plays piano for heads of state? That's not a bad gig! Was he tired of mining? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Never was in mining, always a [[Piano Man (song)|Piano Man]]. Actually I knew him long before I considered digging in the dirt. He's going to school in the Netherlands, music something, not sure how he got that gig put I would agree it is a pretty good one.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== first vs second treaty ==

Good error catch on the treaty with Mexico. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yours is infinitely more reliable. Like Wikipedia itself those less reputable websites are ok for giving you ideas, but its always best to get a second and more reliable source for web based facts. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/297926692.html?dids=297926692:297926692&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Apr+09%2C+1918&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=CARRANZA+GREETS+KING+OF+BELGIUM&pqatl=google King and Queen of Belgium visited Mexico in 1918] but I am about to go to bed, can you peek if you are still awake and see if you can find a better reference? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 06:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
*I found [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z3gLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5623,4213429&dq=carranza+king+of+belgium this]--I don't have access to old editions of the Monitor. As far as I can tell it wasn't a visit, just a telegram. Still, it was a telegram important enough to be reported on in ''[[The Evening Independent]]''--somewhat strange, really. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Cubs197|reply}}
I replied to you on my talk page.--[[User:Cubs197|Cubs197]] ([[User talk:Cubs197|talk]]) 05:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Red Deer ==

Curious, what pages are affected? I've found [[Red Deer, Alberta]], [[Red Deer]] the animal, and [[Red Deer (disambiguation)]], plus redirects to those pages. You're correct that I have tools that you don't: I can fix the move from Red deer (animal) to Red Deer. That's the only change that I can see that you can't fix; are there any others? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Is everything fixed, as far as you can see? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think so--thanks a lot for your help. I was afraid I had done more harm than good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

=="Intentional wrongdoers"==
You freaking cheaters! Isn't this de ja vus all over again? How is it that you don't win more with all these violations? Tsk tsk tsk. I hope this foul play doesn't reflect poorly on the devoted student athletes and high standards maintained by Auburn and other SEC schools. Should Bama be demoted to Div 2 for a while until they can get things in order? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Eeeeehhhhh...what are you talking about? Do I need to listen to talk radio more? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Hmm. OK. Well, at least it wasn't ALL the sports, just "softball, baseball, women's gymnastics, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, men's golf, women's golf, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's tennis, women's tennis, men's track and field, women's track and field, women's soccer and women's volleyball."<ref name="NCAA">{{cite news
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| title = NCAA announces Alabama penalties
| work = [[Montgomery Advertiser]]
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| date = 2009-06-11
| url = http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090611/NLETTER02/90611036
| accessdate = 2009-06-11}}</ref> Flag football and rugby seem to be squeaky clean, so that's a relief, and as "1solidrock" wrote on the ''[[Montgomery Advertiser]]'''s website, "Must be some Auburn, LSU, Tennessee influence somewhere on this supposed impartial panel."<ref name="NCAA"/> [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute. I just looked at the source you provided. This whole hoo hah is about free textbooks? Seriously? Ahahahahaha. USC players are getting nice cars and houses for their folks and you guys get busted for giving away textbooks to your athletes. Too funny. All is fair in love and war my friend. Go Tigers!!! :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===References===
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== a general thank you... ==

...to users Kelapstick, MuZemike, and Alansohn for keeping it clean. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Keeping what clean? This sounds dirty... What have you guys been up to? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Why wasn't Bynum in the game? Is Kobe allowed to elbow people in the face? He must have Admin status... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it was an exciting game. Howard should have made his free throws and the game would have been over in regulation. Cheerios. Congrats. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I even saw some of it. And Bynum was in the game, and yes, Kobe can do anything he likes! I was glad that Fisher had a couple of nice shots. (Clean: check the history of my user page, haha.) You doing alright? Plans for the weekend? Working on some bilateral relations perhaps? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
About floating is also a box? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
*This edit
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spekkoek&curid=8101897&diff=296445064&oldid=252769602] needs a check and some clean up ([[speculaas]] can be wikilinked too). One of your compatriots at work, I presume? I was doing some Google News checking on various old article subjects I've worked on and I see [[Kees Christiaanse]] is still in the news. Apparently he's involved in this and that, keeping the colonial legacy going in Indonesia and what have you. How do you find [[This Earth of Mankind]] so far? Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw this comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALugnuts&diff=296578104&oldid=296483724] and I thought you might like to help with the effort. If you guys stick to the notable ones it should only take a day or two at the most. I don't think there are more than 2 or 3. :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Warning templates ==

Not a dumb question at all. :) The reason it is confusing if because that template isn't meant to be used directly. Instead use:

<nowiki>{{</nowiki>subst:spam-warn|''page''|header=1<nowiki>}} ~~~~</nowiki>

where ''page'' is the page you placed the speedy tag on.

For convenience, the speedy template should have a ready made version that you can copy and paste near the bottom of it (after it has been added to an article).

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even better, Doctor, try using Twinkle and Friendly, which can now be installed though your gadgets settings at your preferences. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 18:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Floodplain (album)]] ==

Hi! Do you have the album? If so, could you please look what is written in the notes about Ram Narayan's involvement, if any, and tell me? That would be very kind. Thank you. [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 17:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. I don't have the album here so I'll have to get back to you. The [http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/floodplain Nonesuch website] has a little bit of information, but not what you're looking for, I think. There's a short paragraph for each song, and I'll see what it says. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! Please feel free to send me an email (link on my userpage). [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 00:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::You know, having the recording they took their version from, I'm sad no review commented on comparisons between the original versions and the covers. I've only found the four reviews though, do you know of any I didn't put in the infobox? [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 11:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Stanley R. Jaffe]] ==

I gave Sam a bit of expansion and sourcing. There is lots more out there. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 00:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Jason L. McCoy]] ==
I saw in the edit history that you were considering speedy for this page, but since no one has done that and the page has been up for a bit, I PRODded it; just letting you know. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks. I did consider it, but the guy is a mayor and I don't know if that makes him automatically notable. If you look through the various versions, though, you'll see quickly why I considered it. Thanks, Spaceman; I'll add the page to my watchlist. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I think being a mayor of a town of 25k people will probably get a pass from CSD, but he still doesn't qualify per either [[WP:Politician]] or [[WP:N]] from what I've been able to find, so I decided to PROD. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Yes sorry about that. You were too fast for me :-) --[[User:Jmh649|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*No problem at all. I should have realized, actually, that your name looked familiar to me and that I'd seen your edits (or maybe vandalism reverts) on a medical article a couple of months ago. Happy editing, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pick your hook.... ==

====Stanley R. Jaffe====

{{*mp}}... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' after resigning as president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1971 to found his own producton company, returned 20 years later in 1991 to be president of [[Paramount Communications]] and then replaced [[Brandon Tartikoff]] in 1992 as president of [[Paramount Pictures]] ?

:*'''ALT1''':... that after producing ''[[Goodbye, Columbus (film)|Goodby Columbus]]'', '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was appointed president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1970, only to resign in 1971 to form his own production company ?
:*'''ALT2''':... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was president of several different [[Paramount Pictures]] divisions, yet never held any one postion with them for more than 2 years ?
:*''Comment'': article a collaborative effort inspired by [[User:Drmies]]
Created by [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]), [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|MichaelQSchmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]). Self nom at 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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'''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Michael, I like the first and the third. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

*It has been submitted to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADid_you_know&diff=297667396&oldid=297665544 DYK]. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotoosvanrobin/3082739432/] Freely licensed. Came up when I was investigating the subject of [[spice cake]] (new article). What is sea foam? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*No clue! I've never liked speculaas that much, BTW. Hey, I'm making [[english muffins]] as we speak. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[WP:TRIVIA]] ==

Like many WP editors, you seem to be under a complete misapprehension of what "trivia" means: re-read the policy, it applies to the '''style''' of writing (bulleted list of various facts), not the '''content'''. If the section is well written in a form of prose, there is nothing wrong with having it. As for a search engine not being a reliable source – I've quoted two reliable sources that definitely back up the credibility of that engine (in this case, an answer providing forum). [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 01:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*Oh, I'm sorry--I thought the policy said "Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined"; and I thought that meant, for instance, that trivia sections should be avoided. If you think that search engines are reliable sources, then I doubt that reading [[WP:RS]] will do you much good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmm... looks like you didn't bother to read my response at all. "Trivia sections should be avoided" applies to '''''bulleted lists''''', not all sections labeled "trivia" – hence "''a better method of representation.''" If the section is written as prose it does not fall under that category in that specific guideline. The section can also be renamed. As for [[WP:RS]], there is no mentioning of search engines – neither there nor in [[WP:NOR]]. Please do correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 07:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I did, and I will again. You'll note that "trivia sections" means "trivia sections." The results of search engines cannot, by their very nature, be reliable sources. That such a statement calls for explanation is precisely what I meant by saying that reading [[WP:RS]] probably won't do you any good. You seem to fail to understand that a search engine may ''give'' you sources but isn't a source in its own right (except for information such as number of hits with that search engine, which is pretty trivial). I hope the phrase [[Garbage In, Garbage Out]] means anything to you. (Something similar applies to answer forums, which are just as unreliable as references.) Lastly, it boggles me that someone would cite the results of a search engine when that search engine can give you the actual reference. That's the kind of intellectual laziness that best befits ''[[Super Why!]]'' Why not just read the paper or a book to get some information? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::::OK, let's analyze your overview by putting facts together. First, pros:
::::#[[WP:NOR|Your personal opinion]] about non-reliability of search engines/answer forums as well as the definition of "trivia", backed up by [[WP:RS|absolutely nothing]] that can be cited as a WP policy.
::::#????
::::#Profit! [[Image:Smile.svg]]
::::On the other hand, let's see the cons:
::::#Quoting [[WP:TRIVIA]]: ''This [[WP:Manual of Style|style guideline]] deals with the way in which these facts are represented in an article, not with whether the information contained within them is actually trivia, or whether trivia belongs in Wikipedia.''" In other owrds, exactly what I wrote – style, not content.
::::#Both [[ESPN]] and the [[Wall Street Journal]] can be quoted recommending ChaCha as a good source of answers. To quote [[WP:RS]]: ''How accepted, high-quality reliable sources use a given source provides evidence, positive or negative, for its reliability and reputation. The more widespread and consistent this use is, the stronger the evidence.'' In other words – good reputation=reliability.
::::#To quote [[WP:NPOV]]: ''Editorial bias toward one particular point of view should be removed or repaired." In other words – and as I told you, this problem is deeply rooted within many WP editors – the personal judgment of what constitutes trivia (and whether it should be removed under these pretenses) does not belong on WP altogether.
::::So... no, in this case "trivia sections" does not mean [what you perceive as] "trivia sections." [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 13:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Sherry Lansing]] ==

After working on [[Stanley R. Jaffe]], I could not leave Sherry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sherry_Lansing&diff=296998339&oldid=295088214 unreferenced] and open to deletion nomination by some editor too lazy to look for sources. So I did some major expansion of her awards and recognitions and sourced it fairly well. You decide which hook you wish for the Jaffe DYK? '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Opps. Just saw. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Wow, nice work, MQS, as always. Pleasure hanging out with you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 13:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story

2009-06-21T09:25:32Z

InQuahogNeato: This is not an opinion, this is stating what's seen on the screen as per WP:FILMPLOT. Also, there is no "sex warning" - it's a "personal message."

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| director = [[Pete Michels]]
| producer = [[Kara Vallow]]
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| starring = [[Seth MacFarlane]] [[Alex Borstein]] [[Seth Green]] [[Mila Kunis]]
| music = [[Ron Jones (composer)|Ron Jones]]
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| released = September 27, 2005
| runtime = 88 minutes
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{{Infobox Television episode
| Title = Stewie B. Goode/Bango Was His Name, Oh!/Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure
| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
| Writer = [[Gary Janetti]] and [[Chris Sheridan]] (1) [[Alex Borstein]] (2) [[Steve Callaghan]] (3)
| Director = Pete Michels
| Airdate = May 21, 2006
| Production = 4ACX05 4ACX06 4ACX07
| Episode list = [[List of Family Guy episodes]]
| Season list = {{Infobox Family Guy Season 4}}
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'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives and each of them make a grand entrance, with the exceptions of [[Meg Griffin|Meg]] and [[Chris Griffin|Chris]]. [[Brian Griffin|Brian]] comes out of the limo and asks how everyone got in his bedroom. Chris comes out and jokingly implies that he is wearing his underwear backwards ("I rode backwards in the limo, so, uh, actually my underwear was going the right way!"). [[Stewie Griffin|Stewie]] comes out and describes his unsuccessful political career, which resembles [[Saddam Hussein]]'s. [[Lois Griffin|Lois]] emerges with a bottle of booze, completely drunk, and is followed by [[Peter Griffin|Peter]], embarrassed beyond belief. Before Meg can even respond to a question by [[Tricia Takanawa]], [[David Bowie]] arrives and Tricia's attention is drawn to him as she [[dry hump]]s his leg. Other guests included [[Drew Barrymore]], the [[Kool-Aid Man]] and [[Cleveland Brown|Cleveland]]. It ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen trailers for fictional movies are run (including a very clichéd [[Walt Disney Pictures|Walt Disney movie]] with music by [[Randy Newman]]) followed by a faux private message aimed at a production member, then it cuts to the [[20th Century Fox]] logo.

==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

[[Image:FGStewieBGoode1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Peter's ''You Know What Really Grinds My Gears?'']]

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire jar of caffeine pills (being supposed to eat only one). Stewie and Brian still arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
{{Unreferenced section|date=April 2009}}
The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As foretold in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
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==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story

2009-06-21T09:20:06Z

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| producer = [[Kara Vallow]]
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| starring = [[Seth MacFarlane]] [[Alex Borstein]] [[Seth Green]] [[Mila Kunis]]
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| Title = Stewie B. Goode/Bango Was His Name, Oh!/Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure
| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
| Writer = [[Gary Janetti]] and [[Chris Sheridan]] (1) [[Alex Borstein]] (2) [[Steve Callaghan]] (3)
| Director = Pete Michels
| Airdate = May 21, 2006
| Production = 4ACX05 4ACX06 4ACX07
| Episode list = [[List of Family Guy episodes]]
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'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives and each of them make a grand entrance, with the exceptions of [[Meg Griffin|Meg]] and [[Chris Griffin|Chris]]. [[Brian Griffin|Brian]] comes out of the limo and asks how everyone got in his bedroom. Chris comes out and jokingly implies that he is wearing his underwear backwards ("I rode backwards in the limo, so, uh, actually my underwear was going the right way!"). [[Stewie Griffin|Stewie]] comes out and describes his unsuccessful political career, which resembles [[Saddam Hussein]]'s. [[Lois Griffin|Lois]] emerges with a bottle of booze, completely drunk, and is followed by [[Peter Griffin|Peter]], embarrassed beyond belief. Before Meg can even respond to a question by [[Tricia Takanawa]], [[David Bowie]] arrives and Tricia's attention is drawn to him as she [[dry hump]]s his leg. Other guests included [[Drew Barrymore]], the [[Kool-Aid Man]] and [[Cleveland Brown|Cleveland]]. It ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen fictional trailers for fictional movies are run followed by a sex warning, it cuts to the 20th Century Fox logo.

==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

[[Image:FGStewieBGoode1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Peter's ''You Know What Really Grinds My Gears?'']]

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire jar of caffeine pills (being supposed to eat only one). Stewie and Brian still arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
{{Unreferenced section|date=April 2009}}
The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As foretold in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
{{No footnotes|date=October 2008}}
{{reflist}}
==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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| director = [[Pete Michels]]
| producer = [[Kara Vallow]]
| writer = [[Gary Janetti]] [[Chris Sheridan (screenwriter)|Chris Sheridan]] [[Alex Borstein]] [[Steve Callaghan]]
| narrator =
| starring = [[Seth MacFarlane]] [[Alex Borstein]] [[Seth Green]] [[Mila Kunis]]
| music = [[Ron Jones (composer)|Ron Jones]]
| cinematography =
| editing = Mike Elias
| distributor = [[20th Century Fox]]
| released = September 27, 2005
| runtime = 88 minutes
| country = United States
| language = English
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{{Infobox Television episode
| Title = Stewie B. Goode/Bango Was His Name, Oh!/Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure
| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
| Writer = [[Gary Janetti]] and [[Chris Sheridan]] (1) [[Alex Borstein]] (2) [[Steve Callaghan]] (3)
| Director = Pete Michels
| Airdate = May 21, 2006
| Production = 4ACX05 4ACX06 4ACX07
| Episode list = [[List of Family Guy episodes]]
| Season list = {{Infobox Family Guy Season 4}}
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'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives and each of them make a grand entrance, with the exceptions of [[Meg Griffin|Meg]] and [[Chris Griffin|Chris]]. [[Brian Griffin|Brian]] comes out of the limo and asks how everyone got in his bedroom. Chris comes out and jokingly implies that he is wearing his underwear backwards ("I rode backwards in the limo, so, uh, actually my underwear was going the right way!"). [[Stewie Griffin|Stewie]] comes out and describes his unsuccessful political career, which resembles [[Saddam Hussein]]'s. [[Lois Griffin|Lois]] emerges with a bottle of booze, completely drunk, and is followed by [[Peter Griffin|Peter]], embarrassed beyond belief. Before Meg can even respond to a question by [[Tricia Takanawa]], [[David Bowie]] arrives and Tricia's attention is drawn to him as she [[dry hump]]s his leg. Other guests included [[Drew Barrymore]], the [[Kool-Aid Man]] and [[Cleveland Brown|Cleveland]]. It ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen fictional trailers for fictional movies are run followed by a sex warning, it cuts to the 20th Century Fox logo.

==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire jar of caffeine pills (being supposed to eat only one). Stewie and Brian still arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
{{Unreferenced section|date=April 2009}}
The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As foretold in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
{{No footnotes|date=October 2008}}
{{reflist}}
==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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| music = [[Ron Jones (composer)|Ron Jones]]
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| Title = Stewie B. Goode/Bango Was His Name, Oh!/Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure
| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
| Writer = [[Gary Janetti]] and [[Chris Sheridan]] (1) [[Alex Borstein]] (2) [[Steve Callaghan]] (3)
| Director = Pete Michels
| Airdate = May 21, 2006
| Production = 4ACX05 4ACX06 4ACX07
| Episode list = [[List of Family Guy episodes]]
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'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives and each of them make a grand entrance, with the exceptions of [[Meg Griffin|Meg]] and [[Chris Griffin|Chris]]. [[Brian Griffin|Brian]] comes out of the limo and asks how everyone got in his bedroom. Chris comes out and jokingly implies that he is wearing his underwear backwards ("I rode backwards in the limo, so, uh, actually my underwear was going the right way!"). [[Stewie Griffin|Stewie]] comes out and describes his unsuccessful political career, which resembles [[Saddam Hussein]]'s. [[Lois Griffin|Lois]] emerges with a bottle of booze, completely drunk, and is followed by [[Peter Griffin|Peter]], embarrassed beyond belief. Before Meg can even respond to a question by [[Tricia Takanawa]], [[David Bowie]] arrives and Tricia's attention is drawn to him as she [[dry hump]]s his leg. Other guests included [[Drew Barrymore]], the [[Kool-Aid Man]] and [[Cleveland Brown|Cleveland]]. It ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen fictional trailers for fictional movies are run followed by a sex warning, it cuts to the 20th Century Fox logo.

==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire jar of caffeine pills (being only supposed to eat one). Stewie and Brian still arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
{{Unreferenced section|date=April 2009}}
The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As foretold in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
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==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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| music = [[Ron Jones (composer)|Ron Jones]]
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| Title = Stewie B. Goode/Bango Was His Name, Oh!/Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure
| Series = Family Guy
| Season = 4
| Episode = 28/29/30
| Writer = [[Gary Janetti]] and [[Chris Sheridan]] (1) [[Alex Borstein]] (2) [[Steve Callaghan]] (3)
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| Airdate = May 21, 2006
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'''''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''''' is a [[2005 in film|2005]] [[Direct-to-video|direct-to-DVD]] [[Animation|animated]] [[film]] set in ''[[Family Guy]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s [[Quahog (Family Guy)|fictional universe]]. Released on September 27, 2005, the movie's main plot point concerns [[Stewie Griffin]] trying to find his real father. The DVD contains commentaries and a sneak preview of ''[[American Dad!]]''.

The movie was originally written to be a "straight-to-video" movie in three episode length segments. The three segments, each written by different people, are titled ''Stewie B. Goode'', ''Bango Was His Name, Oh!'', and ''Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure''. These three episodes were aired as the three-part season four finale.

[[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]] aired the edited and separated versions of the three segments on May 21, 2006. It also had several scenes cut out, new scenes put in and other scenes altered to make it more appropriate for broadcast on American television.

==Plot synopsis==
===Red carpet premiere and opening===
The entire film begins with a pseudo news report involving the premiere of the actual film itself, where several ''Family Guy'' characters have been invited. Eventually, the Griffin family arrives and each of them make a grand entrance, with the exceptions of [[Meg Griffin|Meg]] and [[Chris Griffin|Chris]]. [[Brian Griffin|Brian]] comes out of the limo and asks how everyone got in his bedroom. Chris comes out and jokingly implies that he is wearing his underwear backwards ("I rode backwards in the limo, so, uh, actually my underwear was going the right way!"). [[Stewie Griffin|Stewie]] comes out and describes his unsuccessful political career, which resembles [[Saddam Hussein]]'s. [[Lois Griffin|Lois]] emerges with a bottle of booze, completely drunk, and is followed by [[Peter Griffin|Peter]], embarrassed beyond belief. Before Meg can even respond to a question by [[Tricia Takanawa]], [[David Bowie]] arrives and Tricia's attention is drawn to him as she [[dry hump]]s his leg. Other guests included [[Drew Barrymore]], the [[Kool-Aid Man]] and [[Cleveland Brown|Cleveland]]. It ends inside the theater, where [[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] is making a [[bootleg recording]] of the film. On screen fictional trailers for fictional movies are run followed by a sex warning, it cuts to the 20th Century Fox logo.

==="Stewie B. Goode"===
When the Griffins go swimming in the Quahog Swimming Pool, Peter assumes Stewie knows how to swim and forces him to swim. Lois suggests he takes swimming lessons, and during the time, Stewie jealously tries to kill the star pupil, Brad, by rigging a [[lifeguard]] chair with [[dynamite]] and luring him beneath it with a piece of [[marzipan]]. However, Stewie's detonator malfunctions, blowing himself up and crushing him beneath the lifeguard chair. Stewie ends up in hell, which surprisingly looks like a hotel room, but when he is rescued by Lois (from what he thought was being [[rape]]d by [[Steve Allen]], who actually only wanted Stewie to fix his shirt collar), he believes it is a sign for him to be a good boy.

Meanwhile, Peter gets a job at Quahog's channel 5, hosting a segment called ''What Really Grinds My Gears'', in which he [[rant]]s about things that bother him. Peter becomes extremely popular, overshadowing Tom Tucker and making him feel jealous. Tom tries to ruin Peter's reputation by trying to distract him and by placing a sign next to him saying "I am a rapist", but is fired.

Stewie attempts to be a good boy by smothering Brian with affection, which he finds "[[Looney Tunes|more disturbing than that cartoon [he] saw the other day]]". Brian finally goads Stewie into reverting to his old, violent ways by crushing a spider web. Deciding to follow Brian's example of controlling anger through drunkenness, Stewie becomes an [[alcoholism|alcoholic]]; Brian, seeking to cure Stewie, takes him out for a night of drinking at the Drunken Clam to make him to never drink again, which culminates in Stewie ramming Brian's car through the wall of the bar. Knowing Stewie is Peter's son, Tom takes advantage of the situation and presents footage of the accident at the news station. Peter is fired and Tom regains his job.

The next morning, Stewie becomes extremely [[hangover|hungover]] and laments his lonely existence in the world, and wishes that there were someone else to whom he could relate. Then he sees a man on TV who looks and sounds a lot like him...

==="Bango Was His Name, Oh!"===
When Peter buys a [[Tivo]] box for his TV, Stewie spots a man on the news that has the same face and hairstyle as him. Stewie then believes that he may be his true father.

[[Image:FGBango1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stewie, Brian and Quagmire starting their cross "cuntry" tour.]]

Learning that Quagmire is going on a cross "[[cunt]]ry" tour with the intent of having [[sexual intercourse|sex]] with a woman in every state, Brian and Stewie hitch a ride in his "[[recreational vehicle|Wanna-bang-o]]". At a motel in New Jersey, Quagmire is handcuffed to a bed and mugged by a cleaning woman; Stewie finds Quagmire, and rather than free him, steals the "Wanna-bang-o", driving off with Brian. Quagmire eventually manages to rescue himself by reaching the phone and dialing [[9-1-1|911]] with his [[penis]].

Stewie crashes the vehicle in the desert after going insane from eating an entire jar of caffeine pills, He and Brian still arrive in San Francisco and track down the man from TV. Stewie confronts the man on a [[tram|trolley]], and is shocked to discover that the man is actually Stewie from 30 years in the future.

Meanwhile, Peter and Lois teach Meg and Chris how to get dates so they can have some peace and quiet together, only to question if their kids were really ready for such responsibilities.

==="Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"===
"Stu", as Stewie's future self is called, is taking a time-travel vacation. When Stu travels back to the year 2035, Stewie stows away with him. Stu passes off Stewie as a Nicaraguan boy named Pablo.

Stewie discovers that in the future, Chris will become a traffic cop and marry a hateful, foul-mouthed woman named Vanessa, who belittles him and insists on putting Peter and Lois in a [[retirement home]]; Meg will undergo a [[sex-change operation]] and become a man named Ron; and Brian will die of [[theobromine poisoning]] by eating chocolate he found in the garbage. He will then spend his afterlife drinking with [[Ernest Hemingway]], [[Vincent van Gogh]] and [[Kurt Cobain]].

Stewie also learns that at age 35, he will be a [[virginity|virgin]] working for the Quahog Circuit Shack and living by himself in an [[apartment]]. Furthermore, he will be a [[mother's boy|mama's boy]], having long ago abandoned his [[matricide|matricidal]] tendencies.

[[Image:FGExcellentAdventure1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Stu and Stewie thinking out what to do.]]

Disgusted with the way his life will turn out, Stewie remodels Stu's apartment and gets him to lose his virginity to his coworker Fran, but the sex does not go well. The next day, Fran tells everyone about it, costing Stu his job. Returning home, he finds that his apartment is in flames, ironically caused by "stress-release" candles Stewie placed while redecorating.

His life now ruined, Stu laments the day of his near-death experience at the Community Pool, revealing that memories of the experience will re-surface when young Stewie is 20, causing him to regress and preventing him from taking any risks. Armed with this knowledge, Stu and Stewie proceed to the retirement home where Lois now resides to ask for money to purchase a new time-travel watch; Lois, who reveals she knew all along that "Pablo" was Stewie, obliges. They buy the watch, and Stewie travels back in time first to kill Vanessa and then to the day of the accident. He prevents himself from getting crushed by the chair. However, Present Stewie vaporizes Future Stewie with his raygun. The family heads home, with Meg bidding farewell to a boy whose name she likes: Ron.

===Afterparty and ending===
After the film ends, we cut to the afterparty, where each member of the Griffin family is interviewed by Tricia Takanawa, sharing thoughts involved with ''Family Guy''<nowiki></nowiki>'s cancellation and comeback. But eventually Family Guy returns on the air.

==Televised version and changes==
{{Unreferenced section|date=April 2009}}
The movie aired on FOX on May 21, 2006. As foretold in the DVD commentary, many scenes were heavily edited and/or altered:

===Scenes that were cut on TV===
* On the DVD, the cut-scene in which [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Gandhi]] is in a [[comedy club]], and says "...and the ''[[black people]]'' are always like 'Hey bitch!'" In the televised version, ''black people'' is changed to ''[[United States|Americans]]''.
* Quagmire, tied to the bed, dialing for help on the phone with his [[penis]].
* Vanessa's line, "Ah, screw him [Stewie]. That kid's from [[Guam]]!"
* Stewie's line "You're humping Fran" was changed to "You're nailing Fran."
* Fran's off-camera action of "putting in my [[diaphragm (contraceptive)|diaphragm]]" was changed to "getting my diaphragm."
* After Fran's diaphragm line, Stewie told Stu to "insert your phallus" (instead of "your pen-is") "into her vag-in-a" in the FOX version. The syndicated version bleeps out the words "phallus/pen-is" and "vag-in-a."
* Lois requesting Stewie that, on his way back to the past, he "make sure Chris never marries that bitch Vanessa" and that she never end up in a retirement home, to which Stewie replies by laughing maniacally for an extended period of time. Subsequently, the scene where Stewie blows up Vanessa with his RPG at her and Chris' wedding is cut out, along with the fact that the time watch had enough battery power to travel to three destinations on one charge instead of two.
* The character of Brad is portrayed with a much lighter skin tone in the TV version than in the DVD, and a joke made by Stewie "Look at you Brad, floating in the water, you remind me of one of my stools!" is cut out as well.
* Stewie finishing shaving his "[[scrotum|coin purse]]" and remarking that it bears an odd resemblance to [[Michael Chiklis]], along with ''[[The Shield]]'' cutaway that follows.

===Main changes from the DVD===
* The red carpet premiere featured at the beginning of the DVD, the [[intermission]] between "And Bango Was His Name, Oh!" and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure", and the wrap party after all the episodes were made especially for the DVD.
* The opening credits are replaced by the standard theme song and are shown at the beginning of each part. Each part is closed by the end credits.
* Some transition effects and music were altered to fit as normal episodes.

===Miscellaneous scenes cut from televised episodes===
* Stewie saying grace at the dinner table and Peter bringing up his great aunt [[Ella Fitzgerald]] Griffin (whose singing led to [[Ray Charles]] going blind)
* Brian and Stewie playing ''[[Pac-Man]]'' at The Drunken Clam, and Brian badgering Stewie to get the fruit to get more points, and Stewie replies "I'm not gonna get the fruit: there's a ghost right there!"
* Peter recalling the time he was stranded on a desert island with [[Bono]], where they had a crate of food that Bono insisted he was "Saving for the starving children" when they got rescued, only for Peter to find Bono "tasting" the food to "see if the starving children would like it." Peter then proceeds to beat up Bono and eat the food himself.
* Stu showing Stewie his prom photo, and how odd it was that he could remember that after so long.
* Peter and Lois watching ''[[Law & Order]] P.C.A.M.P.I.E.O.F.T.D: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars''
* Stewie remarking that Stu being fired is "almost as bad as when Peter got fired as the first director of ''[[Terms of Endearment]]''."
* Stewie remembering when Peter got Lois a ''[[Galaga]]'' arcade machine for [[Christmas]].
* Sound effects were added when Stewie pulls Stu's eyelids back.
* An elderly Tom and Diane giving news in the retirement home.
* The closing shot was cut out, instead ending the last episode on Meg's line "I've always liked that name — Ron..."

===Scenes not on DVD===
The televised episodes also contained two scenes not featured on the DVD release. At the end of "And Bango Was His Name-O", there is a ''[[Soap (TV series)|Soap]]''-style cliffhanger concerning Stewie, the cell phone man, and "any of our younger viewers." "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" begins with a ''[[24 (TV series)|24]]''-style opening recapping the events of the previous two episodes and showing an unrelated clip from the short-lived TV series, ''[[The Chevy Chase Show]]''.

The first part of the movie, "Stewie B. Goode", aired on July 9, 2006 on [[Cartoon Network]]'s [[Adult Swim]] programming block. "Bango Was His Name Oh!" aired on July 16, and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" aired on July 23.

==Cast==
* [[Seth MacFarlane]] - [[Stewie Griffin]], [[Peter Griffin]], [[Brian Griffin]], [[Glenn Quagmire]], [[Tom Tucker (Family Guy)|Tom Tucker]], [[Stu Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Alex Borstein]] - [[Lois Griffin]], Fran, Tricia Takinawa, young Condaleeza Rice, Additional Voices
* [[Seth Green]] - [[Chris Griffin]], Additional Voices
* [[Mila Kunis]] - [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Lori Alan]] - [[Diane Simmons]]
* [[René Auberjonois (actor)|René Auberjonois]] - [[Odo]]
* [[Drew Barrymore]] - Herself
* [[Joy Behar]] - Herself
* [[Jennie Garth]] -Kelly Taylor/Herself/Additional Voices
* [[Noel Blanc]] - [[Elmer Fudd]]
* [[Adam Borstein]]
* [[John G. Brennan]] - Horace, Additional Voices
* [[Michael Clarke Duncan]] - The Stork
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - Indian
* [[Ralph Garman]] - Additional Voices
* [[David A. Goodman]] - Jesus
* [[Mike Henry (television writer/producer)|Mike Henry]] - [[Cleveland Brown]], [[Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert]], Additional Voices
* [[Ali Hills]] - Additional Voices
* [[Gary Janetti]] - Additional Voices
* [[Larry Kenney]] - [[Lion-O]]
* [[Don LaFontaine]] - FOX Announcer
* [[Phil LaMarr]] - Ollie Williams, Additional Voices
* [[Lynne Lipton]] - [[Cheetara]]
* [[Ron Livingston]]- Lackluster Video Clerk
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]] - [[Katie Couric]], Baby-Expecting Woman
* [[Busy Phillips]] - Additional Voices
* [[Jason Priestly]] - [[Brandon Walsh]]
* [[Kevin Michael Richardson]] - [[Ray Charles]], Additional Voices
* [[Kate Rigg]] - Additional Voices
* [[Will Sasso]] - [[Randy Newman]], [[James Lipton]]
* [[Chris Sheridan]] - Additional Voices
* [[Danny Smith (writer)|Danny Smith]] - Additional Voices
* [[André Sogliuzzo]] - Additional Voices
* [[Tori Spelling]] - [[Donna Martin]]
* [[Fred Tatasciore]] - Additional Voices
* [[Rory Thost]] - Casper
* [[John Viener]] - Meg "Ron" Griffin
* [[Patrick Warburton]] - [[Joe Swanson]]
* Audrey Wasilewski - Additional Voices
* [[Adam West]] - [[Adam West (Family Guy)|Mayor Adam West]]
* [[Wally Wingert]] - Additional Voices
* [[Michael Chiklis]] - Detective [[Vic Mackey]]

==See also==
*[[List of animated feature films]]

==Footnotes==
{{No footnotes|date=October 2008}}
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==External links==
*{{imdb title|id=0385690|title=Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
* {{Amg movie|330790|Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}
*[http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3618 ''Family Guy - DVD movie officially announced!''] [http://www.stewiefamilyguy.com ''Stewie'']
*{{note|UMD}} [http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57610 ''Family Guy Presents Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story'' in September]

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List of YouTubers

2009-06-21T08:12:08Z

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{{dynamic list}}


'''YouTube celebrities''' are those persons or groups who have grown to prominence due to their appearance in [[YouTube]] videos.


{| border="1" cellpadding="2" class="wikitable sortable" style="width:100%; font-size:95%;"
|-
!User(s)
!Notes
!References
|-
| [[Aaron Yonda]] and [[Matt Sloan (director)|Matt Sloan]]
| [[Chad Vader|Chad Vader - Day Shift Manager]]
| <ref name="ChadNYT1">{{cite news | first = David | last = Callender | title = In a City Far, Far Away From Hollywood, the YouTube Tales of a Lesser Vader | url = http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/business/media/15chad.html?_r=1&ref=business&oref=slogin | publisher = New York Times | date = 2007-10-15 | accessdate = 2007-10-15 }}</ref>
|-
| [[Amanda Baggs]]
| One of her YouTube videos caught the attention of [[CNN]]
| <ref name="AmandaBaggs">{{cite news | first = Sanjay | last = Gupta | title = Behind the veil of autism | url = http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/blogs/paging.dr.gupta/2007/02/behind-veil-of-autism.html | publisher = CNN | date = 2007-02-20 | accessdate = 2008-06-18 }}</ref>
|-
| [[Amber Lee Ettinger]]
| a.k.a. ''Obama Girl'' from ''[[I Got a Crush... on Obama]]''
| <ref name = "obc">Tapper, Jake, [http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3275802&page=1 "Music Video Has a 'Crush on Obama'"], June 13, 2007 at [http://abcnews.go.com/ ABC News]</ref>
|-
| [[Ana Gomes Ferreira]]
| a.k.a. ''[[Ana Free]]'' - singer/songwriter from Portugal.
| <ref name="AnaFree">{{cite news | first = Henrique | last = Correia | title = Ana Free abre Festa do Desporto Escolar | url = http://www.jornaldamadeira.pt/not2008.php?Seccao=13&id=117700&sdata=2009-03-03 | publisher = Jornal da Maderia | date = 2009-03-03 | accessdate = 2009-03-14 }}</ref>

|-
| [[Andy McKee]]
| A [[fingerstyle]] [[guitarist]] that signed to the US-American record label Candyrat Records.
| <ref>[http://www.pluginmusic.com/news/archive.php?id=2563 Don Ross, Andy McKee To Tour Together - PlugInMusic.com News]</ref>
|-
| [[Smosh|Anthony Padilla]] and [[Smosh|Ian Hecox]]
| Authors of [[Smosh]]
| <ref name="smoshtime">{{cite news|first=Lev|last=Grossman|url=http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1570729,00.html|title=Smosh|work=[[Time Magazine]]|date=2006-12-16|accessdate = 2007-04-26}}</ref>
|-
| [[Baba Ali]]
| a.k.a. ''ummahfilms'' - Known for his Reminder Series and Ask Baba Ali Series.
| <ref name="babaali">{{cite news |first=Zahed|last=Amanullah|authorlink= |coauthors= |title=Video Blogger Baba Ali |url=http://www.altmuslim.com/a/a/n/2493/ |quote= "Im not a scholar, I just try to tell people simple things."|publisher=[[AltMuslim]] |date=June 12, 2007 |accessdate=2009-5-25 }}</ref><ref name="babaali2">{{cite news |first=Neil|last=MacFarquhar|authorlink= |coauthors= |title=Young Video Makers Try to Alter Islam’s Face |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/08video.html?_r=2&oref=slogin/ |quote= |publisher=[[NY Times]] |date=May 8, 2008 |accessdate=2009-5-25 }}</ref>
|-
| Baimurat Allaberiye
| a.k.a. Jimmy - known for his percussive rendition of Indian songs and Indian-like vocal.
| <ref>[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10569801 Nzherald.co.nz Roll up, roll up for the Susan Boyle of Tajikistan (+video)] ''[[The New Zealand Herald]]''</ref><ref>[http://www.russiatoday.com/Art_and_Fun/2009-04-29/Slumdog_tenor_set_for_stardom.html/print Slumdog tenor set for stardom] [[Russia Today]]</ref>
|-
| [[Ben Going]]
| a.k.a. ''boh3m3''
| <ref name="hotprop"/>
|-
| [[Bo Burnham]]
| Bo Fo Sho, I'm Bo yo
| <ref>[http://laist.com/2009/05/17/bo_burnham_youtube_phenom_turned_co.php Bo Burnham, YouTuber Turned Comedy Central Star]</ref>
|-
| [[Brandon Hardesty]]
| a.k.a. ''ArtieTSMITW''
| <ref name="Hardesty">Russel, Jacob Hale [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117106507317304149.html?mod=googlewsj "Filming in his basement, a rising comic talent takes on Hollywood"] [[The Wall Street Journal]], February 10, 2007</ref>
|-
| [[Brooke Brodack]]
| a.k.a. ''Brookers''
| <ref name="Variety">{{cite news | first=Denise | last=Martin | title=Daly digs YouTube talent | date=June 12, 2006 |
publisher= [[Variety (magazine)|Variety]] | url=http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117945151?categoryid=14&cs=1&nid=2562 }}</ref>
|-
| [[Caitlin Hill]]
| a.k.a. ''TheHill88''
| <ref name="Age1">Hutcheon, Stephen [http://www.theage.com.au/news/web/caitlins-15-megs-of-fame/2006/09/04/1157222037639.html "Caitlin raps her way to YouTube success"] [http://www.theage.com.au/ theage.com.au], September 4, 2006</ref>
|-
| [[Charlie McDonnell]]
| a.k.a. ''charlieissocoollike''
| <ref>{{cite news|first=|last=|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/somerset/7022544.stm|title=Teenager's tea tips cause a stir|work=[[BBC]]|date=2007-10-01|accessdate = 2007-10-11}}</ref>
|-
| [[Chris Crocker (internet celebrity)|Chris Crocker]]
| Most notable for ''Leave Britney Alone!''
| <ref name="'Leave Britney Alone!': Tear-stained">{{cite web
| last =Popkin | first =Helen A.S. | authorlink = | coauthors =
| title='Leave Britney Alone!': Tear-stained video plea makes YouTube vlogger an Internet rock star | publisher=[[MSNBC]] | date=September 13, 2007 | url =http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20750575/ | accessdate=2007-09-13}}</ref>
|-
| [[Christine Gambito]]
| a.k.a. ''HappySlip''
| <ref name=nytrevsharing />
|-
| [[Cory Williams]]
| a.k.a. ''Mr. Safety'' from SMP Films, organizer of the "As One" [[YouTube#YouTube gatherings|YouTube gathering]]
| <ref>{{cite news|first=Michael|last=Shea|url=http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/728030/new_media_meets_tv_turlock_resident_attains_cult_status_with/index.html|title=New Media Meets TV: Turlock Resident Attains Cult Status With Odd Web Films|work=[[Modesto Bee]]|date=2006-11-12|accessdate = 2007-09-15}}</ref><ref>Coyle, Jake [http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/22/ap4044227.html "YouTube Vloggers Congregate Offline"]{{dead link|url=http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/22/ap4044227.html|date=March 2009}}, [[Associated Press]], 2007-08-22 The first notable congregations of YouTubers were held this January in Los Angeles and, more famously, in San Francisco in February, where about 100 people attended. These meets, known as "As One" and organized by Cory "Mr. Safety" Williams, drew many well-known vloggers including [[Ben Going]] ("boh3m3"), Ian Hecox and Anthony Padilla (the comedy duo known as [[smosh]]) and [[Paul Robinett]] ("renetto").</ref><ref>Lindell, Karen [http://venturacountystar.com/news/2007/nov/08/rap-fever/ "With more than 3.6 million views, Cory Williams' 'Mean Kitty Song' is a YouTube hit"], [[Ventura County Star]], 2007-11-08</ref>
|-
| [[Ask a Ninja|Douglas Sarine]] and [[Ask a Ninja|Kent Nichols]]
| Creators of [[Ask a Ninja]]
| <ref name="ninjanyt1">{{cite news|first=Matthew|last=Klam|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/12/magazine/12youtube.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1|title=
The Online Auteurs |work=[[The New York Times]]|date=2006-11-12|accessdate = 2007-10-16}} Nichols and Sarine created a show called “Ask a Ninja.” There are now 28 four-minute episodes, and many have been viewed on YouTube more than 300,000 times. “Ask a Ninja” is done in a simple Q. & A. format: an often-apologetic guy in a ninja suit who sounds as if he grew up in the Bronx fields questions from his non-ninja audience about summer jobs, what to take for a head cold, a ninja’s feelings on George Clooney, his least favorite way to kill a person.</ref>
|-
| [[Esmée Denters]]
| a.k.a. ''esmeedenters''
| <ref>{{cite news|first=Tamara|last=Conniff|url=http://www.reuters.com/article/musicNews/idUSN0831939520070309|title=Dutch YouTube star scores music deal|work=[[Reuters]]|date=2007-04-08|accessdate = 2007-09-14}}</ref>
|-
| [[Gary Brolsma]]
| Creator of The [[Numa Numa]] Dance
| <ref>{{cite news | first = Alan | last = Feuer | coauthors = & George, Jason | title = Internet Fame Is Cruel Mistress for a Numa Numa Dancer | url = http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/26/nyregion/26video.html | publisher = ''[[The New York Times]]'' Metro Saturday | date = [[2005-02-26]] | accessdate = 2007-07-01 | page = B6 }}</ref>
|-
| [[Back Dormitory Boys|Huang Yi Xin]]
| [[Back Dormitory Boys]]
| <ref name="Backdorm1">{{cite news | last =Lee | first =Min | title= '2 Chinese boys' | agency=Associated Press | date=October 23, 2006
| url = http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/152096# | accessdate=2007-09-13}}</ref>
|-
| [[Iman Crosson]]
|a.k.a. ''Alphacat'', known for his impersonation of [[President of the United States|President]] [[Barack Obama]]
| <ref>{{cite news | first = Jack | last = Tapper | title = Is it Time for SNL to Hire a New Obama Impersonator?
| url = http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/11/is-it-time-for.html | publisher = [[ABC News]] | date = 2008-11-25 | accessdate = 2008-12-15 }}</ref><ref>{{cite news | first = Andrew | last = Sullivan | title = Better Than Fred Armisen | url = http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/better-than-fre.html | publisher = [[The Atlantic Monthly]] | date = 2008-11-17 | accessdate = 2008-12-15}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | first = Jacob | last = Gershman | title = Meet Alphacat, the Man Who Proved Obama Can Be Made Funny | url = http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/12/meet_alphacat_the_man_who_prov.html | publisher = [[New York Magazine]] | date = 2008-12-03 | accessdate = 2008-12-15}}</ref>
|-
| James Provan
| a.k.a. ''GiR2007'', creator of ''[[Pancakes!]]''
| <ref>{{cite news|first=Stuart|last=Patterson|url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=402413&in_page_id=1770|title=Online audience flips over student's pancake movie|work=[[Daily Mail]]|date=2006-08-26|accessdate = 2007-09-14}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|first=David|last=Lister|url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article620173.ece|title=Pancake video mix rises to pop fame|work=[[The Times]]|date=2006-08-26|accessdate = 2007-09-14}}</ref>
|-
| [[Jay Maynard]]
| a.k.a. the "[[Tron]] guy"
| <ref name="Kimmel-2004-05-03">{{cite web|title=Jimmy Kimmel Live: The initial interview|publisher=[[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]]|date=2004-05-03|accessdate=2006-07-12|url=http://www.tronguy.net/videos/JKL040503-320.mov}}</ref><ref name="Kimmel-2004-08-23">{{cite web|title=Jimmy Kimmel Live: The dating introduction video|publisher=[[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]]|date=2004-08-23|accessdate=2006-07-12|url=http://www.tronguy.net/videos/JKL040823-320.mov}}</ref>
|-
| [[Jeong-Hyun Lim]]
| a.k.a. ''Funtwo''
| <ref name="ny-heff">Heffernan, Virginia; [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/27/arts/television/27heff.html?ex=1314331200&en=b993c2e50a7b705d&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss Web Guitar Wizard Revealed at Last]. NY Times, 27 Aug 2006</ref>
|-
| [[Jessica Rose]], [[Yousef Abu-Taleb]], [[Jackson Davis]], and [[Alexandra Dreyfus]]
| from ''[[lonelygirl15]]''
| <ref name="AP 2006-09-15">{{cite news| title = Sudden fame amazes lonelygirl15 star | url = http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/14/AR2006091400850.html|agency = Associated Press | accessdate = 2006-09-15 }}</ref><ref name=Local>{{Cite news | url = http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/206327 | date = 2007-07-01 | work = [[Lancaster Newspapers|Lancaster Sunday News]] | title = Lancaster native finds work as Web actor on 'lonelygirl15' series}}</ref>
|-
| [[Barats and Bereta|Joe Bereta]] and [[Barats and Bereta|Luke Barats]]
| Creators of [[Barats and Bereta]]
| <ref name="BaratsVar">{{cite news|first=Josef|last=Adalian|url=http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117950782.html?categoryId=14&cs=1&s=h&p=0|title=NBC clicks YouTube duo|work=[[Variety (magazine)|Variety]]|date=2006-09-26|accessdate = 2007-09-14}}</ref>
|-
| [[John Green (author)|John]] and [[Hank Green]]
| of [[John Green (author)#Brotherhood 2.0 project|Brotherhood 2.0]]
|<ref>[http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18272166 Brothers Reconnect Using Video Blogging : NPR]</ref>
|-
| Juan Mann
| of the [[Free Hugs Campaign]]
| <ref name="smh">Ellen Connolly[http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/11/05/1099547388492.html Hugs and smiles, but not everyone embraces the trend] ''Sydney Morning Herald'', November 6, 2004</ref>
|-
| [[Julia Nunes]]
| Singer, songwriter, guitar and ukulele player. Performances with [[Ben Folds]], scheduled to appear at 2009 [[Bonnaroo Music Festival]]
| <ref>[http://bonnaroo.com/artists/julia-nunes.aspx Julia Nunes at Bonnaroo 2009]</ref>
|-
| [[Kevin Nalty]]
| a.k.a. "Nalts"
| <ref name="dcgathering" />

|-
| [[Kutiman]]
| [[Multi-instrumentalist]], [[composer]], [[arrangement|arranger]], [[bandleader]], creator of ''[http://thru-you.com/ ThruYou]''
| <ref name="ThruYou">{{cite web|url=http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2C189BC49E25D16A|title=ThruYou|date=March 07, 2009|publisher=Youtube|accessdate=2009-06-20}}</ref><ref name="Kutiman">{{cite web|url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/11/kutiman-killed-the-video-star/|title=Kutiman Killed the Video Star|last=Carthy|first=Roi|date=March 11, 2009|publisher=TechCrunch.com|accessdate=2009-06-20}}</ref>
|-
| [[Lasse Gjertsen]]
| a.k.a. ''Lassegg''
| <ref name=wsj1>{{cite web | last = Rutkoff | first = Aaron | title = Time waster | publisher = Wall Street Journal | date =2006-12-12| url = http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116581381680846327-u6NlXOnRBxZ6qCKc4WoFeWQ_wgo_20071212.html | accessdate = 2007-05-10 }}</ref>
|-
| [[The Laughing Baby]]
| a.k.a. ''haha, laughing baby, cute adorable baby''
| <ref name="THEVIDEO">{{cite web|url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6UU6m3cqk|title=Hahaha|date=November 01, 2006|publisher=Youtube|accessdate=2008-10-14}}</ref><ref name="slate">{{cite web|url=http://www.slate.com/id/2189281|title=Laughing Baby vs. the YouTube Commenters|last=Agger|first=Michael|date=Wednesday, April 16, 2008, at 1:23 PM ET|publisher=slate.com|language=english|accessdate=2008-10-14}}</ref>
|-
| [[Liam Kyle Sullivan]]
| Best known for ''Shoes'' and ''Muffins''
|-
| [[Lisa Donovan]]
| a.k.a. ''LisaNova'' and ''LonesomeRhodes1''
| <ref>{{cite news | first = Andrew | last = Wallenstein | title = How YouTube Helped LisaNova Start Her Career | url = http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/arts/television/29wall.html?ex=1183953600&en=96039ab2953175b5&ei=5070 | publisher = The New York Times | date = 2007-04-29 | accessdate = 2007-07-07 }}</ref>
|-
| [[Lisa Lavie]]
|Singer, Songwriter
| <ref>{{cite news | first = Kevin | last = Zimmerman | title = Lisa Lavie | url = http://www.bmi.com/musicworld/entry/335017 | publisher = BMI Music World | date = 2006-10-15 | accessdate = 2009-01-16 }}</ref><ref>{{cite news | first = Lisa | last = Lavie | title = I Was Discovered By Mariah Carey's Producer | url = http://www.orato.com/node/2154 | publisher = Orato Media | date = 2007-04-11 | accessdate = 2009-01-16 }}</ref><ref>{{cite news | first = Malcomb | last = Venable | title = Lisa Lavie - Biography | url = http://artists.letssingit.com/lisa-lavie-24d4r/biography | publisher = LetsSingIt | date = 2007-05-21 | accessdate = 2009-01-17 }}</ref>
|-
| [[Lucas Cruikshank]]
| a.k.a. ''Fred'' and Lucas from JKL Productions. Currently #1 Most Subscribed on Youtube.
| <ref>{{cite news | first = Mark | last = Milian | title = Fred's YouTube channel is programming for kids by kids | url=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/webscout/2008/06/freds-youtube-c.html | publisher = The Los Angeles Times| date = 2008-06-24 | accessdate = 2008-06-24 }}</ref>
|-
| [[Magibon]]
| a.k.a. ''MRirian''
| <ref>G4TV: "Attack of the Show" [http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/whoswhoonyoutube/61044/Whos-Who-On-YouTube-Magibon.html Who's Who On Youtube? - Magibon]</ref>
|-
| [[Marié Digby]]
| a.k.a. ''mariedigby''
| <ref name="WallStreetJournal">Smith, Ethan & Lattman, Peter (September 6, 2007). "[http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118903788315518780.html Download This: YouTube Phenom Has a Big Secret]". ''[[The Wall Street Journal]]''. Retrieved on April 17, 2008.</ref>
|-
| [[Marina Orlova]]
| a.k.a. ''HotForWords''
| <ref>[http://context.themoscowtimes.com/print.php?aid=185592 Marina Orlova has managed to get several million people interested in the origins of English words], Victor Sonkin, ''The Moscow Times'', June 6, 2008; [http://chronicle.com/review/brainstorm/bousquet/teaching-for-lust Teaching for lust], Marc Bousquet, from Brainstorm, the blog of ''The Chronicle Review''.</ref>
|-
| [[Melody Oliveria]]
| a.k.a. ''bowiechick''
| <ref>{{cite news | title=The Ultimate Word Of Mouth | last=CBS Evening News | url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/04/eveningnews/main1867904.shtml | publisher=[[CBS]] Interactive | date=August 4, 2006 | accessdate=2007-03-28}}</ref>
|-
| [[Mia Rose]]
| a.k.a. ''miaarose''
| <ref name=wsj>{{cite web | last = Dwyer | first = Michael | title = The rise of the faux internet indie | publisher = [[The Age]] | date =2007-02-08 | url = http://www.theage.com.au/news/digital-music/the-battle-for-indie-artists-is-hotting-up-online/2007/02/07/1170524129434.html | accessdate = 2007-05-10 }}</ref>
|-
| [[ItsJustSomeRandomGuy|Michael Agrusso]]
| a.k.a. ''ItsJustSomeRandomGuy'', creator of "Hi, I'm a Marvel...and I'm a DC" video series, YouTube celebrity among comic book movie fans with panels at New York Comic Con 2008 and 2009
| <ref name="ItsJustSomeRandomGuy">{{cite web |last = CBR News Team |first = Editor |title = ItsJustSomeRandomGuy producing promotional videos for the New York Comic Con |publisher=[[Comic Book Resources]] | date=February 29, 2008 | url=http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=12735 |accessdate=2009-03-03 }}</ref><ref name="Agent M">{{cite web |first=Agent M |title=I'm a Marvel Video #1 |publisher=[[Marvel.com]] |date=August 8, 2007 |url=http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Agent_M/entry/793.I%27m_a_Marvel_Video_%231|accessdate=2009-03-03}}</ref>
|-
| [[Michael Buckley (Internet celebrity)| Michael Buckley]]
| of [[What the Buck?!]]
| <ref name="BUCKHart">{{cite news |first=Joann |last=Klimkiewicz |authorlink= |coauthors= |title=This Buck Doesn't Stop |url=http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/10/21/3030650.htm |quote= |publisher=[[The Hartford Courant]] |date=October 21, 2007 |accessdate=2007-10-22 }}</ref>
|- [[Michael Dalen]] [[Creator Of DgenerationX12345]]
|[[Neil Cicierega]]
|created "[[Potter Puppet Pals]]", a Harry Potter spoof series winning YouTube awards and receiving over 50 million views.
|-
| [[Natalie Tran]]
| a.k.a. communitychannel
|<ref>[http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/02/04/1233423281416.html How Natalie became Australia's queen of YouTube - web - Technology - smh.com.au]</ref>
|-
| [[Noah Kalina]]
| Notable for his video ''Noah takes a photo of himself [[Everyday (video)|every day]] for 6 years''
| <ref>Keith Schneider, [http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/18/arts/design/18schn.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print "Look at Me, World! Self-Portraits Morph Into Internet Movies"], [[The New York Times]], 18 March 2007. Retrieved 26 August 2007.</ref>
|-
| [[Pat Condell]]
| Comedian, [[antitheist]], 35 of his videos were published to DVD.
| <ref name="time-out-london">{{cite web| last = Hay| first = Malcolm | title = Pat Condell: interview | publisher =Time Out London | date =2006-11-03 | url = http://www.timeout.com/london/comedy/features/2217.html | accessdate =2007-10-22 }}</ref><ref name="dawkinsdvd">{{cite web | title = Pat Condell: Anthology DVD available now! | publisher = richarddawkins.net | date = 2008-04-29 | url = http://www.richarddawkins.net/article,2517,Pat-Condell-Anthology-DVD-available-now,RichardDawkinsnet | accessdate =2009-03-17}}</ref><ref name="amazondvd">{{cite web | title = Pat Condell Anthology | publisher =Amazon.com | url = http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018CABC6 | accessdate =2000-03-16}}</ref>
|-
| [[Paul Robinett]]
| a.k.a. ''Renetto''
| <ref name="BT1">{{cite news | url=http://www.berlinonline.de/berliner-zeitung/vermischtes/104881/index.php | title=Ein Träumer. Ein Spieler. Ein Prediger (German) | author= Sabine Pamperrien | publisher=[[Berliner Zeitung]] | date=December 7, 2008 | accessdate=2009-05-03 }}</ref><ref name="NYTROBINETT">{{cite news | url=http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CE6D6113EF935A15751C0A9619C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1 | title=New Hot Properties: YouTube Celebrities | author= Bob Tedeschi | publisher=New York Times | date=February 26, 2007 }}</ref>
|-
| [[Peter Oakley]]
| a.k.a. ''geriatric1927''
| <ref name="Geriat27">{{cite news |first= |last= |authorlink= |coauthors= |title=Elderly English Widower Becomes Latest YouTube Star |url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208280,00.html |quote= |publisher=Reuters |date=August 15, 2006 |accessdate=2007-10-12 }}</ref>
|-
|[[Philip DeFranco]]
|a.k.a. ''sxephil''
| <ref name="sXephil">{{cite news |first= |last= |authorlink= |coauthors= |title=Hooking Up |url=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/webscout/2008/10/hooking-up.html |quote= |publisher=[[LA Times]] |date=October 3, 2008 |accessdate=2008-11-16 }}</ref>
|-
|Remy Munasifi
|a.k.a. GoRemy
|<ref>{{cite news |first= |last= |authorlink= |coauthors= |title=''Remy'' Is on Way to YouTube Stardom |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061203833.html |quote= |publisher=[[Washington Post]] |date=June 13, 2009 |accessdate=2009-06-16}}
[http://arabcomedy.org/news/performers/Remy_Munasifi.shtml Arab Comedy]</ref>
|-
|[[Rick Astley]]
|singer of the now YouTube phenomenon song "[[Never Gonna Give You Up]]", which started Rickrolling all over [[YouTube]], the internet, and the world watching the [[Macy's Parade]] as of 2008.
|-
| [[Savannah Outen]]
| a.k.a/ "savannah7448" #69 most subscribed (all time) (global)
|-
| Shane Dawson
| YouTube username "ShaneDawsonTV" #25 most subscribed of all time
| <ref name=shanedawsontv>{{cite news|first=Michael |last=Dalonzo |title=Shane Dawson's Comedy Sketches on YouTube |url=http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/whoswhoonyoutube/66741/Shane-Dawsons-Comedy-Sketches-on-YouTube.html |work=G4 Media, INC |publisher= |date=May 11, 2009 |accessdate=2009-05-26 }}
</ref>
|-
| [[Stevie Ryan]]
| a.k.a. ''littleloca'', ''TheRealParis'', ''Ooolalaa'', and ''stevieryan''
| <ref Name=ryan1>{{cite news |first=Paul |last=Sheehan |title=The first diva of the digital age |url=http://www.smh.com.au/news/paul-sheehan/the-first-diva-of-the-digital-age/2006/12/07/1165081064223.html |work=The Sydney Morning Herald |publisher= |date=December 9, 2006 |accessdate=2007-10-15 }} </ref>
|-
| [[Straight No Chaser (a cappella group)|Straight No Chaser]]
| ''Straight No Chaser'' was an undergraduate [[a Capella]] group whose 10 year old version of "[[The Twelve Days of Christmas (song)|12 days of Christmas]] went viral in 2007. [[Atlantic Records]] signed them to a 5 album deal due to their YouTube success.
| <ref name = "one shot">Rapkin, Mickey. [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/arts/music/05rapk.html?_r=1&sq=Straight%20No%20Chaser&st=cse&scp=5&pagewanted=all A Cappella Dreaming: 10 Voices, One Shot] NY Times. Oct 3, 2008. Accessed Oct 26, 2008</ref>
|-
| [[Taryn Southern]]
| a.k.a '[[Hott4Hill]]', [[Hillary Clinton]] campaign video.
| <ref>{{cite news | title=[[Showbiz Tonight]] transcript | url=http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/11/sbt.01.html | publisher=CNN | date=[[2007-07-11]]}}</ref>
|-
| [[Tay Zonday]]
| Most notable for ''[[Chocolate Rain]]''
| <ref Name=PeopleTay>{{cite news |first=Brian |last=Orloff |title='Chocolate Rain' YouTube Sensation Makes TV Debut |url=http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20050678,00.html |work=People |publisher=Time Inc. |date=9 August 2007 |accessdate=2007-08-09 }} </ref>
|-
| [[Terra Naomi]]
| a.k.a. ''terranaomi''
| <ref Name=terra1>{{cite news |first=Sophie |last=Heawood |title=The unlikely life of Terra Naomi |url=http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article2386647.ece |work=The Times |publisher= |date=September 8, 2007 |accessdate=2007-10-15 }} </ref>
|-
| Tom Dickson
| star of [[Will It Blend?]]
| <ref Name=mentosandblenders>{{cite web | url = http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/internetlife/2007-09-13-revver_N.htm | title = Posters reap cash rewards at video-sharing site Revver | accessdate = 2007-09-13 | date = 2007-09-12 | author = Graham, Jefferson | work =USA Today | quote = Indeed, the blender videos appear on YouTube and Revver. "We're on YouTube to get the audience and Revver to get the money," says Dan Grover, national sales manager for Blendtec, which produces the videos to promote its Blendtec Total Blender.}}</ref><ref Name=willitblend>{{cite web | url = http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202102372 | title = YouTube Videos Stir Up New Sales For 'Will It Blend' Maker | accessdate = 2007-05-12 | date = 2007-09-27 | author = Marianne Kolbasuk McGee | work =InformationWeek}}</ref>
|-
| [[VenetianPrincess]]
| She became popular for her episodic series “The Princess Chronicles” and being paid to produce more videos.
| <ref name="bostonchannel"> {{cite web |title=Boston Woman One Of YouTube's Most Popular |first=Caitlin |last=O'Neil |work=[http://www.thebostonchannel.com/ thebostonchannel.com] |date=2007-05-04 |url=http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/13258854/detail.html |accessdate=2007-09-18}}</ref>
|-
|[[William Sledd]]
|[[Vlogger]] that produces videos which center around fashion.
| <ref name="latimessledd">{{cite web |title=A fashion-minded blogger |first=Deborah |last=Netburn |work=[[LA Times]] |date=[[2007-04-08]] |url=http://www.topix.net/content/trb/2145079879003255131026411500810291913495 |accessdate=2007-09-15}}{{dead link|date=March 2009}}</ref>
|-
| [[Ysabella Brave]]
| A vocalist that was signed by [[Cordless Recordings]].
| <ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-neil22jun03,1,6835647.story | title=Wish on a Star | publisher=[[Los Angeles Times]] | author=Dan Neil | date=[[2007-06-03]]}}</ref>
|}

==Sponsors and partnerships==
In addition to fans, some YouTube celebrities have corporate sponsors, who pay for product placement in their clips or production of online ads. Some have quit their day jobs or changed careers to accommodate their YouTube filming schedules. A handful are also official "YouTube Partners," meaning the company cuts them a share of ad revenue.
<ref name="hotprop">{{cite news|first=Bob|last=Tedeschi|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/26/technology/26ecom.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5124&en=9670fbf567afd78d&ex=1330232400|title=New Hot Properties: '''YouTube Celebrities'''|work=[[The New York Times]]|date=2007-02-26|accessdate = 2007-04-26}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news|first=Scott|last=Brown|url=http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2006/06/youtube_brooker.html|title=Brookering a deal: The first '''YouTube celebrity'''|work=Popwatch from [[Entertainment Weekly]]|date=2006-05-14|accessdate = 2007-04-26}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news|first=Rick|last= Munarriz|url=http://www.fool.com/investing/high-growth/2006/12/13/youtube-is-a-pop-star.aspx|title=YouTube Is a Pop Star|quote=Whether it's the elderly [[Geriatric1927]] reading a friend's Christmas poem or [[LisaNova]] taking part in an offbeat seasonal ditty, [[Coca-Cola|Coke]] has been able to stir up interest in its feature by populating it with established '''YouTube celebrities''' who have tens of thousands of subscribers.|work=[[Motley Fool]]|date=2006-12-13|accessdate = 2007-06-14}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|first=Brian|last=Carney|url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115768704950557377.html?mod=googlewsj|title=Fact or Fiction? On YouTube We'll Never Know|quote=What does it mean, though, to be a '''YouTube celebrity'''? A lot of the charm of YouTube is its amateur nature -- most of the videos seem populated with ordinary people....YouTube is a kind of reality TV without the corporate filter -- at least, that's the idea.|work=[[The Wall Street Journal]]|date=2006-09-08|accessdate = 2007-07-18}}</ref>
<ref name="dcgathering">{{cite news|first=Catherine|last=Rampell|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/09/AR2007090901641.html|title=YouTubers Try a Different Forum: Real Life|work=[[Washington Post]]|date=2007-09-10|accessdate = 2007-09-14}}</ref><ref name=nytrevsharing>{{Cite news | url = http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/05/technology/05tube.html?ex=1187841600&en=ae6940b91e2b4aac&ei=5070 | title = Contributors on YouTube May Share Advertising Revenue | date = 2007-05-05 | accessdate = 2007-08-21 | author = Miguel Helft | work = [[The New York Times]]}}</ref>

==Product placement==
Fast food chain [[Carl's Jr.]] partnered with [[Google]] and paid a number of popular YouTube users to advertise their new ''Portobello Mushroom Six Dollar Burger''. They told them to produce videos that 'tell how you eat a burger and mention the product by name'.<ref>http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/digital/e3ic0507728e66c92e31aee680ca93bb623</ref><ref>http://www.productplacement.biz/200906023110/News/Internet/carls-jr-product-placement-on-youtube.html</ref><ref>http://www.brandweek.com/bw/content_display/news-and-features/digital/e3i1dc51bcd151aa706cadb7500a06addc6</ref><ref>http://www.smartbrief.com/news/iab/storyDetails.jsp?issueid=F0BE64FB-2F7E-4C9D-B89E-390952BA5F11&copyid=1DCFB22B-2577-4D8A-99F2-9517FA7D584B</ref> [[Sanyo]] did the same thing to promote a new camera.<ref>http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/digital/e3icda4693bce31a5ad3c1c987f01622853</ref>

==See also==
* [[List of Internet phenomena]]
* [[Viral video]]

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

==See also==
{{You Tube}}

[[Category:YouTube]]
[[Category:Internet memes]]
[[Category:Dynamic lists]]

[[ja:Emmalina]]

User talk:Drmies

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== Remove the stench ==
[[Image:Disinfection liquid.JPG|200px|left|thumb|Disinfectant attached to a befouled RfA process]]This might be useful. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
*Hey, I just had a quick look at [[Clifton's Cafeteria]]--nice! Of course, I didn't check to see if your punctuation was plagiarized or not, which is entirely possible. I didn't know it was featured in ''[[On the Road]]'', which I read long, long before I ever came to the US (and so many things didn't make sense to me, but it did make for a different and probably valuable reading experience). Speaking of new things, I went to a baseball game tonight, for the first time in my life. The mascot, [[Montgomery Biscuits|Big Mo]], even came to our box--unfortunately just as my oldest daughter was on the playground, and the five-month old didn't seem to care, haha. But the fast food (and the [[fried chicken]] with [[biscuit]]s and [[white gravy]]) was pretty good, and fun, since I never eat that. And I had a couple of beers with my colleague, and forgot all about stuff for a couple of hours. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
**Spring in the homeland [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cermivelli/3462904487/]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
***Wow, nice... Thanks for that shot. The summer semester has started here, and I miss being home in the summer, doing (next to) nothing. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Thanks again ==
[[File:Biere Duvel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Try this.]]
As I promised myself I spent Sunday with my family, drank too much beer and even hosted a last minute BBQ (sorry you couldn't make it). I even managed to take a friend of mine to school in [[Mario Kart Wii|Mario Kart]]. I want to thank you again for nominating my for adminship in addition to all the other support you provided. As for my justification for withdrawal, I felt that the examples provided by BuddingJournalist/TwilligToves showed me that I need to focus on my content contributions before I am ready to branch out in other areas of responsibility. While my opinion was that Ottava's examples were taken out of context (as I showed), the larger ones were not. The decision was not based on whether or not I felt I was in violation of any policy or guideline it was something I felt was the right thing to do. My primary focus here is content and I need to have that down before I can advance further. As I explained I felt that Ottava's examples were enough to point out that I had some work to do but not enough to hang me from the proverbial [[yardarms]]. This is in regards to two issues (1) WP:PLAGIARISM was only promoted to a guideline on 20 May (or about 11 days ago), so I feel it is a little early to claim people are in violation of it (since nobody actually did say I was in violation of it I did not bring it up, but I felt the intention was there) (2) as you have stated (and I will bring up again), the definition is far too ambiguous to be used in any discussion regarding an editors actions, and based on that alone in my opinion the guideline does not hold water. I appreciated Ottava's assumption of good faith and his going neutral following my efforts to correct them. I am not sure which way the actual RfA would have gone if it had fully proceeded, and truthfully right now I do not want to think about it. Now I have some serious matters to get to, as I recall there was a request from Bongo to have an article written about some bug, and now that this and the bacon challenge are over I can get back to improving the encyclopedia, which is all I ever wanted to do. I am glad you got to a baseball game, I was at a [[Reno Aces]] game a few weeks ago, good times and a great park (brand new too). If you are in the area let me know and we can catch one. Cheers and happy editing. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:K, you are a nice guy, and a much better man than I am, I think. I agree absolutely on the two issues. I felt like tanking the whole WP thing, but there's too much work to be done. But right now I'm focusing on only one tiny little thing, one article, and am leaving the rest for what it is--I'm sure that won't be forever. (I did make some minor edits to that Barrock mine article, but didn't feel like removing the template yet--I don't want to appear to spiteful, and besides, who knows what the guidelines are?) As for BBQ, that's always a good thing. I enjoy cooking it more than eating it, haha. I got some hickory from Publix; earlier, I used scrap oak from various carpentry projects. Thanks for the note. You know you have made a ton of friends here on WP--just look at the list of names of supporters. Take it easy! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Strode Mansion]]==
Not sure how notable this subject is as it's on the campus of a school with subpar football team. But I thought you might want to have a look. GO TIGERS!!! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I came across [[naturist anarchism]], a subject I in which I believe you have great expertise. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh and here's one more for you [[The Applejacks (NL band)]], a Dutch band based on an American breakfast cereal. I prefer raisin bran. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:How's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Applejacks_(NL_band)&curid=23049569&diff=294007074&oldid=294005941 this edit summary] for irony?--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 19:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::Haha, nice, but am I expected to save this joint? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::As far as I can tell there aren't any Dutch bands that are notable. I hope that helps. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Tell that to [[Shocking Blue]]. Hey, Applejack might be less not-notable than I thought. I don't think there will be enough, but who knows...if they win [[The Next Stage]] this month in the [[Melkweg]]... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoM, you have a lot of nominating to do: [[:Category:Dutch musical groups]]. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 05:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Doc when you're done futzing with that Dutch [[garage band]], will you have a look at this edit to an article on one of your Democratic political buddies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Villaraigosa&curid=21347195&diff=294103426&oldid=294103125#cite_note-36]? Thanks mucho. I know you have the highest content, sourcing and NPOV standards. And I know I can count on you to ensure that we expose any sort of spin doctoring and covering up of cronyism between socialists and their big business allies who are bankrupting this country. Kudos! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 06:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dimitris Melissanidis ==

What do mean by "misspelling"? "Dimitris" and "Dimitrios" is the same name in Greek. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They are two articles for the same person. Take one and improve it. Take the other one and redirect to the other. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

==Art Walk==
here you go [http://www.flickr.com/photos/34815340@N06/3587366104/in/set-72157619171206542/] You can scroll through the rest of the shots from that link. Sorry about the delay. You and MQS have been very patient. There are more photos, but I hit the Flickr limit. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Nice! Nice trip, I'm jealous. Wish I could have joined you! Lots of cool things--I liked the Alessi display. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.webundies.com/nu030r2m.htm?AID=10273800&PID=2876692] What do you think? The end is near? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the end is near. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/S_Marshall| S Marshall RfA]] ==

I am a bit puzzled... since you nommed the candidate, do you intend to !vote for support? I don't see it yet. --'''''[[User:Stanistani|Stani]][[User talk:Stanistani|Stani ]]''''' 06:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Isn't it obvious that I support the candidate I nominate? Strongly? But it's all water under the bridge now. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Heads Up ==

Just in case you didn't know already. [[User:Dr. Blofeld]] has retired.--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 09:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Legend. That is not good news. Blofeld and I had a bit of fun together and produced some nice stuff. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like Dr. Blofeld will ever be coming back. I think he's gone forever....--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Angels on horseback ==

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== Strode House ==

I don't have anything helpful on the shelf, although I may be able to locate something. (There's a book I haven't had a chance to check yet.) I have weighed in on the AfD, and I think the consensus is strongly in favor of notability. — [[User:Alarob|ℜob C.]] ''alias'' [[User_talk:Alarob|'''ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ''']] 16:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Rob. Yeah, the status as a historical building ought to be enough, but I am also interested in seeing the article fleshed out a bit more. It ''is'' a beautiful, beautiful building. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of the Netherlands, I forgot to tell you that I watched a whole segment on [[European Journal]] about the collapsing pension system in the Netherlands. And it seems they are pushing back the reirement age to 67. Folks who bought into Al Gore's lock-box lie over here are likely in for a much worse surprise when they realize Uncle Sam has saved not a penny on their behalf. Good thing we shot down those personal accounts... ooops I mean "PRIVATIZED" social security system. Egads! :) My local weekly did a feature story on "bacon bits" including J&Ds lip balm, a car that runs on bacon (BioBlend Fuels) and the BA-K-47 from thisisfreakingridiculous.com. So the end will have to wait until next week. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah, I'm sure the Dutch are terrified at their coming doom, and will be running to apply for American citizenship. At least here you ''know'' you don't get jack! (Not even Applejack.) Maybe Uncle Sam can try to retrieve some of those cargo planes full of cash that dropped their contents on Iraq during the previous administration. Hey, I saw the AfD for the list of bacon dishes--funny how bacon really brings out the carnivores in a lot of WP editors! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those planes have been diverted for Obama's war games in Afghanistan. Here's a link for your weapon of choice [http://www.thisisfreakingridiculous.com/tifr/2009/4/13/ba-k-47.html]. And here's the EJ story [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4262386,00.html]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nice! Looks a lot better than my standard issue. Oh...Afghanistan...yes...I forgot...where we were fighting the "war on terror" until we started fighting the "war for Halliburton and Blackwater"... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Pfff. That's German news. It couldn't possibly be true. Ha, did you see the GM ads on TV, arguing that this is only the beginning of a new kind of car industry? This is getting too serious--time for football season to begin. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Didn't the majority leader in the Senate declare the war in Iraq lost some time ago? Government Motors is indeed the beginning of a very new car industry. And they're trying to implement the same operational structure on health care and the rest of the private sector as well. :) Football? We still have a ways to go. I wonder if your QB and Auburn's DB will make teams... Stay cool. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::When you guys are done talking politics and football can you swing by [[User:Kelapstick/Samuel L. Jackson filmography]] and see how it looks (same request posted on Bongo's talk page too). I trues when I show up in the morning it will look nothing as it does now? Thanks. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Only Love Can Break Your Heart==
Please stop removing the cover version from this article. "Some other band" (Saint Etienne's) version is notable enough to be included and to have an infobox, as it charted as a top-40 UK single and a number-one U.S. dance single. Song articles within Wikipedia include original versions, as well as notable covers and/or remixes. If you are going to make such a huge, sweeping change to an article, please take it up on the Talk Page first. Thanks. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think that it is against policy to keep them together; in fact I can give you a zillion examples of song articles that include more than one version of the same song.... although I'm sure you've seen quite a few throughout WP. I will, however, (if you'd like) assist in beefing up the Neil Young portion. I do agree that it is extremely lopsided (that extensive track list section probably isn't imperative) but that's not a reason to spin off the Saint Etienne part. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Eric, I'll keep it here, so we don't have to go back and forth all the time. The way I look at it, the Saint Etienne version ''is'' a spin-off, and so the article should be too, and, as I mentioned before, it deserves its own article. And part of the problem, besides the lopsidedness (which could be solved by editing and writing), is the double set of infoboxes, which I find confusing and esthetically not very pleasing, and the somewhat strange set of categories. Again, it seems to me that the article is about a song, by Neil Young, on ''After the Gold Rush'' (and the infobox should be, IMO, for "song" and not for "single"), sure, with one of those "for the hit by Saint Etienne, see [[etc.]]" lines at the top; and a no.1 hit single should get its own article. Combining them suggests that the Saint Etienne single isn't notable enough in its own right to have an article despite having been a no.1 hit. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I do see the point, but I look at it this way: an article is about a ''song''. Someone writes it, records it, puts it on an album, releases it as a single, has a hit. Lovely. Someone else records their interpretation, has another hit with it. And so on. All of this is part of the history of the song. i.e, in a perfect encyclopedia (I'm dreaming here) there would be info on the inspiration of the song, what went into recording it, maybe some chart info.... then (below) more on what made Artist #2 choose this song to record, how it was produced, etc. (all this assuming of course it meets notability guidelines). I think breaking things up causes more confusion. I do know that, years ago, this kind of thing got wayy out of control with articles being made about every cover version and remix out there (for example there was an article for Whitney Houston's version of "Star Spangled Banner" and Christine Aguilera's "Christmas Song", two songs covered by approximately 50 billion artists). So per the naming conventions at [[WP:SONG]], all of these articles marked as "(single)" were combined and named uniformly with "(song)". As far as the infobox is concerned, I do see how this could look gaudy to some people, but that's (I think) something that could be taken up in a different discussion with editors who would want to improve the look of infoboxes to make them flow better. Neil Young's version should have a single infobox because, well, it was a single. Saint Etienne's should also be there — both versions have varying degrees of success in different realms of the music world, no?
:::Take a look at some of these and just tell me what you think: granted some of these may also be "lopsided" but most of the time the combining works quite well: [[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]], [[The Passenger (song)]], [[Venus (Shocking Blue song)]], [[Valerie (The Zutons song)]], [[It's My Life (Talk Talk song)]], [[I'll Be There]]. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I see your point. That's not to say that I agree with you, cause that's not the kind of guy I am! Thanks for the links; I'll have a look and will get back to you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
←Speaking of cover versions, have you seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA this] artistic interpretation of a classic? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 23:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Bacon spam==
To all members of the bacon cabal: Did you know that there is a theory that the [[Voynich manuscript]] might be the long lost [[Voynich manuscript#Theories about authorship|Book of Bacon]] ? [[User:Spinningspark|'''SpinningSpark''']] 11:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, that's fantastic. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 12:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Trouble in paradise?==
Things are heating up for the European Parliament [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8084281.stm] with [[Geert Wilders]]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Dolly Rockers==

I was hoping that Astronaut might do the work of adding the references. I was waiting to see some effort in that direction, before I added the sources; apologies that you needed to add them. I've done some work on it now too. [[User:Fences and windows|Fences and windows]] ([[User talk:Fences and windows|talk]]) 16:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, you said the same thing that I've said at AfD many a times: "not my job." And then we go on to make it our jobs anyway! Thanks for helping save a notable article, and thanks for the note. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shift4 ==

I have responded to your message to me about the edits to the Shift4 page on the Discussion page for the Shift4 article. I would like to discuss this matter further, as I believe the edits I made to be valid and not vandalism. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.170.11.126|70.170.11.126]] ([[User talk:70.170.11.126|talk]]) 21:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

== You've got to see this ==

[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld]]--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE:How about this one? ==

The current templates on those two articles don't really deal with plagiarism, but with [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]], which are different and require admin attention (our copyright pages are ''policy'' while our plagiarism page is a guideline). (By the way, do you understand the difference between our copyright policy and the plagiarism guideline? Not meant to be a condescending question, but a legitimate and sincere inquiry [the two are confusing at times, I know]. It just seems that from my previous conversations with you, and your latest message on my talk page, you're mixing the two.) This is because all content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with [[GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GFDL]], even old versions of articles. Therefore, if there are any copyright violations, admins peruse the history of the article and delete the contributions that contain them. These templates are part of this set process, and I would be wary of touching them. I've never been a fan of how big and scary they look, but I assume it's due to the legal implications when dealing with copyvios; they were created long before I joined WP.

I believe the reason why editors are cautioned not to do further editing on the pages is to just make life easier for the admins who look into the articles, so they don't have to do more work in making sure revisions are free of copyvios. In any case, an admin should be along shortly to deal with these two articles. As stated in the instructions, anyone can continue working on the text elsewhere, such as a subpage in the talk namespace. Does that help?

By the way, if you can point me to a source that actually legitimizes the whole "citation but no quotation marks is OK" point of view, I'd be much obliged. I've seen some other editors too hold this point of view, but I still have no idea where this comes from. No definition/discussion of plagiarism I've encountered considers this to be OK. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 01:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
*I am aware of the difference, yes. Since neither of the two articles were simply copied from the sources (the charge at the relevant RfA was, I imagine, that they were too close to copyvio to be called legitimate paraphrase) you'd have to make a case for why they would be copyvios, and the answer suggested, though not provided (you were never explicit), was "they're too close to the source.". That can only mean that they are not paraphrased properly, but the yardstick for "proper paraphrase" is quite unclear. ([[WP:copyvio]] doesn't specifiy.) And by the way, I never said "citation but no quotation marks is OK." I was talking about ''attribution'' and every source I've ever looked at (see my comments [[User_talk:Ottava_Rima#plagiarism.2C_from_RfA|elsewhere]]) makes lack of attribution essential in the charge of plagiarism. That I talk about copyvio and plagiarism side-by-side is because a. they are related (no matter whether one thing is policy and the other guideline) and b. plenty of participants in the RfA accused the candidate of plagiarism (see Durova's comments, for instance).I note, by the way, that at the RfA you actually didn't specify what the issues were, precisely: you gave two sets of two passages, and I concluded that you ''meant'' to say that they were too close, so close that they should be called copyvio. But that also is a judgment call, and while I freely admit that in my opinion ''some'' (though not all) of those passages should have been paraphrased more in the author's own words, the rhetorical power of the copyvio template, which (and I repeat myself) I believe was applied unjustly, was such that the RfA was hijacked, in my opinion. Your use of ellipsis towards the end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kelapstick&diff=293437887&oldid=293427174 your comment] is telling in that respect. And that is why I said what I said. While I don't want to make light of the problem of copyright violations, I am still not convinced that that was what we were dealing with here--and we were certainly not dealing with plagiarism. Rather than ask me if I know the difference, I'd like for you to address my charge: that all-too-close paraphrase (a matter of judgment) does not automatically add up to a copyright violation, and that your pasting COPYVIO all over this candidacy helped damn it. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:*OK, for a moment I thought you were actually being serious on my talk page, but instead it looks like you're out here to bait me with your passive aggressive attacks. It's not going to work. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Twillig, you're not reading very carefully. I was being serious, and I'm not trying to be passive at all. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Seed swap ==

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:You put a lot of effort into saving some shack near U o Bama's campus, but nothing for [[Anarchist naturism]]? Now it's gone. So many people will be left in ignorance without coverage of this important subject. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, it's gone? (Was it ever there?) Yes, the shack is saved--did you see Alarob's comments at that AfD? I don't know what to think. Sorry about the naturism thing. Recreate it, why don't you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Bacon enthusiasts are known for breaking chairs, especially those of faulty design. Someone removed my cardboard chair pic from the [[cardboard]] article. Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== ''[[Hell Awaits]]'' you... ==

...we have heavy metal <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[WP:GENREWARRIOR|Genre Warrior]]: "you mean black metal, right?"] and hot girls! {{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 02:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, I can do with some hot girls! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Loki, what's that word that's misspoken? You can't just tease the reader like that! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Most of that you reorganized, was not written by me.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha, I'm glad--I wouldn't want to mess with you. But still, what's the word? Now I'm curious. Don't make me search the blogs and stuff... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::[http://rapidshare.com/files/62280605/Slayer_-_Hell_Awaits.rar Is this?]--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You can "save" [[Commercial Metal|this article]]? Also, thanks for answer my last reply.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'll have a look--but as you may know, Blackmetalbaz is my master metallurgian. I downloaded the file, but haven't listened to it yet, since I can't unpack it where I'm at. I'll get back to you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 19:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Haha, I don't think there's any saving that one. Good luck! Oh, I played that album in the car. Not bad, but anytime I want to hear something more or less like that I go to the [[Chaos AD|best thing]]. As for that misspelled word--I think that whole passage should be dropped from the article, since it's really a bit trivial, don't you think? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don't think. Ah, so you should listen to bands like: [[Meshuggah]], [[Ephel Duath (band)|Ephel Duath]], [[Deathspell Omega]], [[Sigh (band)|Sigh]]...; all different, but connected by their experimentalism. ([[Sepultura]] is a very experimental band) --[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 05:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::(Regarding [[Evangelion (album)#Preproduction, recording and production|''Evangelion'' (album)]]) Hi, you could take a look in this article, please.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 20:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::I carry a very blunt axe... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:{{=)|wink2}}--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 21:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

----
You could copy-edit this [[Dream Theater discography|list]]? Ah, you saw [[Talk:Hell Awaits|that]]? And the bands above, you listened?--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Cortez Gold Mine]]==
Hi. I see that you've expressed an interest in helping clean up this article, and it would be much appreciated, particularly if you have access to [http://www.miningmagazine.com/mine-of-the-month/cortez-hills--the-latest-chapter]. I can't view it. I can confirm that there is some duplication from [http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/cortez/], as with "the first simultaneous start-up of an underground and surface mine in Nevada", but I don't know what needs to be cleaned from the other source. Lacking access to it, if I am left to address it (and can't find somebody who ''can'' access it), I'm not going to have any option but to rewrite or remove the article. Can you help? (I'll be watching your talk page. Please let me know either way, since I'll be looking around for other resources if necessary.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Check your email, girl! I hope that helps. As you can see in the history, I did some of it already, but I don't know how well or if it was to satisfaction; I may not have been in the best frame of mind. Thanks for your help, and let me know what I can do. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. :) Given the complexity of the article, I probably won't be able to address it until tomorrow (getting late in my part of the world), but your assistance is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. It's not so late here, but I'm waiting for this cute little girl sitting next to me to go to bed (that is, when ''[[Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey|Homeward Bound]]'' is over). Drop me a line; I may have some time tomorrow in between classes. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I envy you. I've got ''[[Paul Blart: Mall Cop]]''. (sigh) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Can you undelete and stub-ify the Batu Hijau article please? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 01:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, I can't undelete a copyvio. The article was listed for a week as per process to allow contributors an opportunity to address it, but unfortunately nobody did so, and the copyright infringement was foundational, going all the way back to the first edit. There was no clean version to revert to. If you'd like to create a stub, I'd be happy to give you any non-GFDL infringing elements from the page, including categories or external links. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::the sources and info box are enough for me to rewrite it properly. Cheers. [[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 01:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::All right. I'll prop them in your userspace if you'd like. Note that I did also offer the template-blanked version back for a few days [[User_talk:Bongomatic#Your_note.2C_Drmies_page|at Bongomatic's talk page]]. I don't know if you read the template, but you are welcome to revise the article in the temporary space if you'd like, alone or in tandem. That stands for this one as well. All that matters is that problematic text be dealt with. If you have any questions about paraphrasing, I'd be happy to help you. I suspect you know quite a lot more about this subject than I do. (Sorry for parking on your talkpage, Drmies. :))--[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No that's fine--if I knew y'all were coming I'd made you coffee and baked some cakes. What is this, the first chapter of ''[[The Hobbit]]''? I did make some edits to Cortez, but then I read the template again and undid them. I looked at it one more time and now I think I know what I should have done...too complicated for me. Anyway, I'm happy--we're all on it, the article will be back in good shape, Shadow and all them found their way home (though my daughter was ''still'' crying cause he hurt his paw), my daughter is in bed, my phone-laptop-Bluetooth connection miraculously started working, and the coffee is ready. And the mall is safe from crime, I imagine. MRGirl, you're welcome here anytime. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha! [[Kristin Hersh]]! Haven't thought about her in forever. I used to have a tape (yes, a tape) of ''Hips and Makers'', with that creepy song with Michael Stipe. (That article needs a good scrubbing.) Guess I'll have to dig that up now, and find my old Walkman. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Having the template blanked version would be good, but either way is fine with me. I see Bongo commented on his talk as to a location. It is most appreciated. Also I will take a look at the offline refs of Cortez Hills tomorrow and make sure they are not in violation. I think I have the magazine on my desk still (under a large pile of paper). We watched ''[[Bedtime Stories (film)|Bedtime Stories]]'' last night, well worth it. Rock on.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 03:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::All right. It is so userfied. I appreciate your looking into the Cortez Hills article as well. I now have access to the material, so I can help as needed, but it is not my area of expertise. Editing, on the other hand, is (not Wikipedia; I mean it in the general sense), so please don't hesitate to let me know if you've found something you can't figure out how to put into your own words. Nevermind what I do with it off-Wiki, I've been doing it on Wiki every day for almost a year. :) Linguistics [[Rubic's Cube]]. ''Bedtime Stories'' was way better than ''Mall Cop''. :D [[User:Drmies|Drmies]], is Gandalf here yet? (I love that song. And it is creepy. If you haven't heard her lately, you should check out what 15 years of heavy smoking and not taking care of her throat have done. Her voice is incredibly textured.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 10:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Hey Doc, [[User:Kelapstick/Cortez Gold Mine]] and [[Batu Hijau mine]] are done (following a sprinkle of [[holy water]] on Cortez), so that monstrosity is finalized. Have yourself a drink, I will talk to you tomorrow.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Dahil Sa Iyo ==

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== Smile ==

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'''Drmies''', Sky Attacker has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! ''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
</div>--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Thanks Legend! I needed that after reading stuff at WP:ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::What did you read? Anything good? Do tell! I barely hear from you any more now that KBC2009 is over. So sad... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::That's cause I'm often on recent changes these days, and you never edit on anything but bureaucratic matters :/ I made a few comments on AfDs, and am doing cleanup on a couple of things. Well, another longtime contributor apparently left, an admin is threatened with being stripped, nothing new really. But it's always a bit sad to see WP editors yelling and getting worked up, on matters that often, from the outside looking in, seem trivial. Hey, I saw a minute of ''[[Chopped]]'' just now, and the loser seemed to have made [[chocolate covered bacon]] for his dessert. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I thought Blofield came back? Who left? I'm fighting for my Wikilife on bureaucratic matters kiddo. 1 revert per article per week? Which Admin is threatened with a stripping? Is it a cute one? I'll have to check out chopped. I'm thinking of setting up some sock accounts so I can become and Admin and get a seat on Arbcom. What do you think? Seriously though, none of this is trivial. It's all VERY important. They're trying to delete Auburn's 2010 football team before they even have a chance![http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_10#2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team] Tough times for all of us. Cheerios. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::And what happened to the Snake 'n Bake? I tried to tivo it but no luck. Is it gone forever? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Blofeld is back, but Stifle made a no-no, according to some, and Shoemaker's Holiday called it quits. And I didn't say it ''was'' trivial--I said it looked trivial from the outside. Our recent RfA adventures were FAR from trivial, but we were on the inside. And for Auburn: the biggest news there is the resignation of [[Bobby Lowder]]--and our article says nothing about the enormous amounts of gossip going around! And I don't know about Snake 'n' Bacon...I don't have that channel... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you can help determine the future of [[Animal love]] (safe for work... at least last I checked) and [[Jesse Dee]]. Stifle seems to be more reasonable than ever lately, although I don't think I see eye to eye with the kid. I'll have to look into that.

"From trivial, but we were on the inside"? What kind of yoda-speak is this? Have you been hanging out with my main man GTB? I take it you are high on life? :)
*No yoda--just forgot a word. Please note my correction of the grievous error, sir. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is 2010 this coming season or the following season? Anyway, "your" Lakers <s>are</s> were looking good <s>so far</s>. Not really a match-up that I find particularly interesting. Keep it real. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
*I assume you're being sympathetic. The commentators also tried to see the Lakers glass as half-full. My problem is that game 4 is played Sunday evening, and we're going camping in [[DeSoto State Park]], and I don't know if we'll be back home on time. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm VERY sympathetic. I hadn't realized they were playing last night, so I was commenting on the first two games until I found out they had lost. As success follows me everywhere, it won't be surprising when LA wins the championship. As for my Jets??? well... They're not much without me and Keyshawn now are they.[[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Another 3RR issue over at death metal==
One particular editor keeps reinserting the text regarding "brutal death metal" despite its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brutal death metal|deletion]]. They are clearly in breach of 3RR at this stage. Care to take a look? [[User:Blackmetalbaz|Blackmetalbaz]] ([[User talk:Blackmetalbaz|talk]]) 11:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw it yesterday. Did you report them? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just saw a picture on Facebook of an old friend of mine playing [[piano]] for [[Jan Peter Balkenende]], he (the PM) had on a weird tie.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I left before he was out of diapers. I'd never even heard of him, and I hope you won't mind if I don't put a picture of him up here! But...your friend plays piano for heads of state? That's not a bad gig! Was he tired of mining? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Never was in mining, always a [[Piano Man (song)|Piano Man]]. Actually I knew him long before I considered digging in the dirt. He's going to school in the Netherlands, music something, not sure how he got that gig put I would agree it is a pretty good one.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== first vs second treaty ==

Good error catch on the treaty with Mexico. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yours is infinitely more reliable. Like Wikipedia itself those less reputable websites are ok for giving you ideas, but its always best to get a second and more reliable source for web based facts. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/297926692.html?dids=297926692:297926692&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Apr+09%2C+1918&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=CARRANZA+GREETS+KING+OF+BELGIUM&pqatl=google King and Queen of Belgium visited Mexico in 1918] but I am about to go to bed, can you peek if you are still awake and see if you can find a better reference? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 06:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
*I found [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z3gLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5623,4213429&dq=carranza+king+of+belgium this]--I don't have access to old editions of the Monitor. As far as I can tell it wasn't a visit, just a telegram. Still, it was a telegram important enough to be reported on in ''[[The Evening Independent]]''--somewhat strange, really. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Cubs197|reply}}
I replied to you on my talk page.--[[User:Cubs197|Cubs197]] ([[User talk:Cubs197|talk]]) 05:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Red Deer ==

Curious, what pages are affected? I've found [[Red Deer, Alberta]], [[Red Deer]] the animal, and [[Red Deer (disambiguation)]], plus redirects to those pages. You're correct that I have tools that you don't: I can fix the move from Red deer (animal) to Red Deer. That's the only change that I can see that you can't fix; are there any others? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Is everything fixed, as far as you can see? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think so--thanks a lot for your help. I was afraid I had done more harm than good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

=="Intentional wrongdoers"==
You freaking cheaters! Isn't this de ja vus all over again? How is it that you don't win more with all these violations? Tsk tsk tsk. I hope this foul play doesn't reflect poorly on the devoted student athletes and high standards maintained by Auburn and other SEC schools. Should Bama be demoted to Div 2 for a while until they can get things in order? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Eeeeehhhhh...what are you talking about? Do I need to listen to talk radio more? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Hmm. OK. Well, at least it wasn't ALL the sports, just "softball, baseball, women's gymnastics, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, men's golf, women's golf, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's tennis, women's tennis, men's track and field, women's track and field, women's soccer and women's volleyball."<ref name="NCAA">{{cite news
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| title = NCAA announces Alabama penalties
| work = [[Montgomery Advertiser]]
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| date = 2009-06-11
| url = http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090611/NLETTER02/90611036
| accessdate = 2009-06-11}}</ref> Flag football and rugby seem to be squeaky clean, so that's a relief, and as "1solidrock" wrote on the ''[[Montgomery Advertiser]]'''s website, "Must be some Auburn, LSU, Tennessee influence somewhere on this supposed impartial panel."<ref name="NCAA"/> [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute. I just looked at the source you provided. This whole hoo hah is about free textbooks? Seriously? Ahahahahaha. USC players are getting nice cars and houses for their folks and you guys get busted for giving away textbooks to your athletes. Too funny. All is fair in love and war my friend. Go Tigers!!! :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===References===
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== a general thank you... ==

...to users Kelapstick, MuZemike, and Alansohn for keeping it clean. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Keeping what clean? This sounds dirty... What have you guys been up to? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Why wasn't Bynum in the game? Is Kobe allowed to elbow people in the face? He must have Admin status... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it was an exciting game. Howard should have made his free throws and the game would have been over in regulation. Cheerios. Congrats. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I even saw some of it. And Bynum was in the game, and yes, Kobe can do anything he likes! I was glad that Fisher had a couple of nice shots. (Clean: check the history of my user page, haha.) You doing alright? Plans for the weekend? Working on some bilateral relations perhaps? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
About floating is also a box? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
*This edit
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spekkoek&curid=8101897&diff=296445064&oldid=252769602] needs a check and some clean up ([[speculaas]] can be wikilinked too). One of your compatriots at work, I presume? I was doing some Google News checking on various old article subjects I've worked on and I see [[Kees Christiaanse]] is still in the news. Apparently he's involved in this and that, keeping the colonial legacy going in Indonesia and what have you. How do you find [[This Earth of Mankind]] so far? Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw this comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALugnuts&diff=296578104&oldid=296483724] and I thought you might like to help with the effort. If you guys stick to the notable ones it should only take a day or two at the most. I don't think there are more than 2 or 3. :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Warning templates ==

Not a dumb question at all. :) The reason it is confusing if because that template isn't meant to be used directly. Instead use:

<nowiki>{{</nowiki>subst:spam-warn|''page''|header=1<nowiki>}} ~~~~</nowiki>

where ''page'' is the page you placed the speedy tag on.

For convenience, the speedy template should have a ready made version that you can copy and paste near the bottom of it (after it has been added to an article).

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even better, Doctor, try using Twinkle and Friendly, which can now be installed though your gadgets settings at your preferences. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 18:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Floodplain (album)]] ==

Hi! Do you have the album? If so, could you please look what is written in the notes about Ram Narayan's involvement, if any, and tell me? That would be very kind. Thank you. [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 17:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. I don't have the album here so I'll have to get back to you. The [http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/floodplain Nonesuch website] has a little bit of information, but not what you're looking for, I think. There's a short paragraph for each song, and I'll see what it says. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! Please feel free to send me an email (link on my userpage). [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 00:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::You know, having the recording they took their version from, I'm sad no review commented on comparisons between the original versions and the covers. I've only found the four reviews though, do you know of any I didn't put in the infobox? [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 11:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Stanley R. Jaffe]] ==

I gave Sam a bit of expansion and sourcing. There is lots more out there. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 00:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Jason L. McCoy]] ==
I saw in the edit history that you were considering speedy for this page, but since no one has done that and the page has been up for a bit, I PRODded it; just letting you know. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks. I did consider it, but the guy is a mayor and I don't know if that makes him automatically notable. If you look through the various versions, though, you'll see quickly why I considered it. Thanks, Spaceman; I'll add the page to my watchlist. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I think being a mayor of a town of 25k people will probably get a pass from CSD, but he still doesn't qualify per either [[WP:Politician]] or [[WP:N]] from what I've been able to find, so I decided to PROD. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Yes sorry about that. You were too fast for me :-) --[[User:Jmh649|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*No problem at all. I should have realized, actually, that your name looked familiar to me and that I'd seen your edits (or maybe vandalism reverts) on a medical article a couple of months ago. Happy editing, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pick your hook.... ==

====Stanley R. Jaffe====

{{*mp}}... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' after resigning as president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1971 to found his own producton company, returned 20 years later in 1991 to be president of [[Paramount Communications]] and then replaced [[Brandon Tartikoff]] in 1992 as president of [[Paramount Pictures]] ?

:*'''ALT1''':... that after producing ''[[Goodbye, Columbus (film)|Goodby Columbus]]'', '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was appointed president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1970, only to resign in 1971 to form his own production company ?
:*'''ALT2''':... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was president of several different [[Paramount Pictures]] divisions, yet never held any one postion with them for more than 2 years ?
:*''Comment'': article a collaborative effort inspired by [[User:Drmies]]
Created by [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]), [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|MichaelQSchmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]). Self nom at 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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'''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Michael, I like the first and the third. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotoosvanrobin/3082739432/] Freely licensed. Came up when I was investigating the subject of [[spice cake]] (new article). What is sea foam? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

*It has been submitted to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADid_you_know&diff=297667396&oldid=297665544 DYK]. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[WP:TRIVIA]] ==

Like many WP editors, you seem to be under a complete misapprehension of what "trivia" means: re-read the policy, it applies to the '''style''' of writing (bulleted list of various facts), not the '''content'''. If the section is well written in a form of prose, there is nothing wrong with having it. As for a search engine not being a reliable source – I've quoted two reliable sources that definitely back up the credibility of that engine (in this case, an answer providing forum). [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 01:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*Oh, I'm sorry--I thought the policy said "Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined"; and I thought that meant, for instance, that trivia sections should be avoided. If you think that search engines are reliable sources, then I doubt that reading [[WP:RS]] will do you much good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmm... looks like you didn't bother to read my response at all. "Trivia sections should be avoided" applies to '''''bulleted lists''''', not all sections labeled "trivia" – hence "''a better method of representation.''" If the section is written as prose it does not fall under that category in that specific guideline. The section can also be renamed. As for [[WP:RS]], there is no mentioning of search engines – neither there nor in [[WP:NOR]]. Please do correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 07:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Sherry Lansing]] ==

After working on [[Stanley R. Jaffe]], I could not leave Sherry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sherry_Lansing&diff=296998339&oldid=295088214 unreferenced] and open to deletion nomination by some editor too lazy to look for sources. So I did some major expansion of her awards and recognitions and sourced it fairly well. You decide which hook you wish for the Jaffe DYK? '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Opps. Just saw. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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== Remove the stench ==
[[Image:Disinfection liquid.JPG|200px|left|thumb|Disinfectant attached to a befouled RfA process]]This might be useful. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
*Hey, I just had a quick look at [[Clifton's Cafeteria]]--nice! Of course, I didn't check to see if your punctuation was plagiarized or not, which is entirely possible. I didn't know it was featured in ''[[On the Road]]'', which I read long, long before I ever came to the US (and so many things didn't make sense to me, but it did make for a different and probably valuable reading experience). Speaking of new things, I went to a baseball game tonight, for the first time in my life. The mascot, [[Montgomery Biscuits|Big Mo]], even came to our box--unfortunately just as my oldest daughter was on the playground, and the five-month old didn't seem to care, haha. But the fast food (and the [[fried chicken]] with [[biscuit]]s and [[white gravy]]) was pretty good, and fun, since I never eat that. And I had a couple of beers with my colleague, and forgot all about stuff for a couple of hours. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
**Spring in the homeland [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cermivelli/3462904487/]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
***Wow, nice... Thanks for that shot. The summer semester has started here, and I miss being home in the summer, doing (next to) nothing. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Thanks again ==
[[File:Biere Duvel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Try this.]]
As I promised myself I spent Sunday with my family, drank too much beer and even hosted a last minute BBQ (sorry you couldn't make it). I even managed to take a friend of mine to school in [[Mario Kart Wii|Mario Kart]]. I want to thank you again for nominating my for adminship in addition to all the other support you provided. As for my justification for withdrawal, I felt that the examples provided by BuddingJournalist/TwilligToves showed me that I need to focus on my content contributions before I am ready to branch out in other areas of responsibility. While my opinion was that Ottava's examples were taken out of context (as I showed), the larger ones were not. The decision was not based on whether or not I felt I was in violation of any policy or guideline it was something I felt was the right thing to do. My primary focus here is content and I need to have that down before I can advance further. As I explained I felt that Ottava's examples were enough to point out that I had some work to do but not enough to hang me from the proverbial [[yardarms]]. This is in regards to two issues (1) WP:PLAGIARISM was only promoted to a guideline on 20 May (or about 11 days ago), so I feel it is a little early to claim people are in violation of it (since nobody actually did say I was in violation of it I did not bring it up, but I felt the intention was there) (2) as you have stated (and I will bring up again), the definition is far too ambiguous to be used in any discussion regarding an editors actions, and based on that alone in my opinion the guideline does not hold water. I appreciated Ottava's assumption of good faith and his going neutral following my efforts to correct them. I am not sure which way the actual RfA would have gone if it had fully proceeded, and truthfully right now I do not want to think about it. Now I have some serious matters to get to, as I recall there was a request from Bongo to have an article written about some bug, and now that this and the bacon challenge are over I can get back to improving the encyclopedia, which is all I ever wanted to do. I am glad you got to a baseball game, I was at a [[Reno Aces]] game a few weeks ago, good times and a great park (brand new too). If you are in the area let me know and we can catch one. Cheers and happy editing. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:K, you are a nice guy, and a much better man than I am, I think. I agree absolutely on the two issues. I felt like tanking the whole WP thing, but there's too much work to be done. But right now I'm focusing on only one tiny little thing, one article, and am leaving the rest for what it is--I'm sure that won't be forever. (I did make some minor edits to that Barrock mine article, but didn't feel like removing the template yet--I don't want to appear to spiteful, and besides, who knows what the guidelines are?) As for BBQ, that's always a good thing. I enjoy cooking it more than eating it, haha. I got some hickory from Publix; earlier, I used scrap oak from various carpentry projects. Thanks for the note. You know you have made a ton of friends here on WP--just look at the list of names of supporters. Take it easy! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Strode Mansion]]==
Not sure how notable this subject is as it's on the campus of a school with subpar football team. But I thought you might want to have a look. GO TIGERS!!! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I came across [[naturist anarchism]], a subject I in which I believe you have great expertise. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh and here's one more for you [[The Applejacks (NL band)]], a Dutch band based on an American breakfast cereal. I prefer raisin bran. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:How's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Applejacks_(NL_band)&curid=23049569&diff=294007074&oldid=294005941 this edit summary] for irony?--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 19:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::Haha, nice, but am I expected to save this joint? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::As far as I can tell there aren't any Dutch bands that are notable. I hope that helps. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Tell that to [[Shocking Blue]]. Hey, Applejack might be less not-notable than I thought. I don't think there will be enough, but who knows...if they win [[The Next Stage]] this month in the [[Melkweg]]... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoM, you have a lot of nominating to do: [[:Category:Dutch musical groups]]. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 05:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Doc when you're done futzing with that Dutch [[garage band]], will you have a look at this edit to an article on one of your Democratic political buddies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Villaraigosa&curid=21347195&diff=294103426&oldid=294103125#cite_note-36]? Thanks mucho. I know you have the highest content, sourcing and NPOV standards. And I know I can count on you to ensure that we expose any sort of spin doctoring and covering up of cronyism between socialists and their big business allies who are bankrupting this country. Kudos! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 06:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dimitris Melissanidis ==

What do mean by "misspelling"? "Dimitris" and "Dimitrios" is the same name in Greek. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They are two articles for the same person. Take one and improve it. Take the other one and redirect to the other. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

==Art Walk==
here you go [http://www.flickr.com/photos/34815340@N06/3587366104/in/set-72157619171206542/] You can scroll through the rest of the shots from that link. Sorry about the delay. You and MQS have been very patient. There are more photos, but I hit the Flickr limit. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Nice! Nice trip, I'm jealous. Wish I could have joined you! Lots of cool things--I liked the Alessi display. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.webundies.com/nu030r2m.htm?AID=10273800&PID=2876692] What do you think? The end is near? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the end is near. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/S_Marshall| S Marshall RfA]] ==

I am a bit puzzled... since you nommed the candidate, do you intend to !vote for support? I don't see it yet. --'''''[[User:Stanistani|Stani]][[User talk:Stanistani|Stani ]]''''' 06:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Isn't it obvious that I support the candidate I nominate? Strongly? But it's all water under the bridge now. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Heads Up ==

Just in case you didn't know already. [[User:Dr. Blofeld]] has retired.--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 09:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Legend. That is not good news. Blofeld and I had a bit of fun together and produced some nice stuff. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like Dr. Blofeld will ever be coming back. I think he's gone forever....--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Angels on horseback ==

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== Strode House ==

I don't have anything helpful on the shelf, although I may be able to locate something. (There's a book I haven't had a chance to check yet.) I have weighed in on the AfD, and I think the consensus is strongly in favor of notability. — [[User:Alarob|ℜob C.]] ''alias'' [[User_talk:Alarob|'''ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ''']] 16:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Rob. Yeah, the status as a historical building ought to be enough, but I am also interested in seeing the article fleshed out a bit more. It ''is'' a beautiful, beautiful building. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of the Netherlands, I forgot to tell you that I watched a whole segment on [[European Journal]] about the collapsing pension system in the Netherlands. And it seems they are pushing back the reirement age to 67. Folks who bought into Al Gore's lock-box lie over here are likely in for a much worse surprise when they realize Uncle Sam has saved not a penny on their behalf. Good thing we shot down those personal accounts... ooops I mean "PRIVATIZED" social security system. Egads! :) My local weekly did a feature story on "bacon bits" including J&Ds lip balm, a car that runs on bacon (BioBlend Fuels) and the BA-K-47 from thisisfreakingridiculous.com. So the end will have to wait until next week. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah, I'm sure the Dutch are terrified at their coming doom, and will be running to apply for American citizenship. At least here you ''know'' you don't get jack! (Not even Applejack.) Maybe Uncle Sam can try to retrieve some of those cargo planes full of cash that dropped their contents on Iraq during the previous administration. Hey, I saw the AfD for the list of bacon dishes--funny how bacon really brings out the carnivores in a lot of WP editors! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those planes have been diverted for Obama's war games in Afghanistan. Here's a link for your weapon of choice [http://www.thisisfreakingridiculous.com/tifr/2009/4/13/ba-k-47.html]. And here's the EJ story [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4262386,00.html]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nice! Looks a lot better than my standard issue. Oh...Afghanistan...yes...I forgot...where we were fighting the "war on terror" until we started fighting the "war for Halliburton and Blackwater"... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Pfff. That's German news. It couldn't possibly be true. Ha, did you see the GM ads on TV, arguing that this is only the beginning of a new kind of car industry? This is getting too serious--time for football season to begin. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Didn't the majority leader in the Senate declare the war in Iraq lost some time ago? Government Motors is indeed the beginning of a very new car industry. And they're trying to implement the same operational structure on health care and the rest of the private sector as well. :) Football? We still have a ways to go. I wonder if your QB and Auburn's DB will make teams... Stay cool. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::When you guys are done talking politics and football can you swing by [[User:Kelapstick/Samuel L. Jackson filmography]] and see how it looks (same request posted on Bongo's talk page too). I trues when I show up in the morning it will look nothing as it does now? Thanks. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Only Love Can Break Your Heart==
Please stop removing the cover version from this article. "Some other band" (Saint Etienne's) version is notable enough to be included and to have an infobox, as it charted as a top-40 UK single and a number-one U.S. dance single. Song articles within Wikipedia include original versions, as well as notable covers and/or remixes. If you are going to make such a huge, sweeping change to an article, please take it up on the Talk Page first. Thanks. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think that it is against policy to keep them together; in fact I can give you a zillion examples of song articles that include more than one version of the same song.... although I'm sure you've seen quite a few throughout WP. I will, however, (if you'd like) assist in beefing up the Neil Young portion. I do agree that it is extremely lopsided (that extensive track list section probably isn't imperative) but that's not a reason to spin off the Saint Etienne part. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Eric, I'll keep it here, so we don't have to go back and forth all the time. The way I look at it, the Saint Etienne version ''is'' a spin-off, and so the article should be too, and, as I mentioned before, it deserves its own article. And part of the problem, besides the lopsidedness (which could be solved by editing and writing), is the double set of infoboxes, which I find confusing and esthetically not very pleasing, and the somewhat strange set of categories. Again, it seems to me that the article is about a song, by Neil Young, on ''After the Gold Rush'' (and the infobox should be, IMO, for "song" and not for "single"), sure, with one of those "for the hit by Saint Etienne, see [[etc.]]" lines at the top; and a no.1 hit single should get its own article. Combining them suggests that the Saint Etienne single isn't notable enough in its own right to have an article despite having been a no.1 hit. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I do see the point, but I look at it this way: an article is about a ''song''. Someone writes it, records it, puts it on an album, releases it as a single, has a hit. Lovely. Someone else records their interpretation, has another hit with it. And so on. All of this is part of the history of the song. i.e, in a perfect encyclopedia (I'm dreaming here) there would be info on the inspiration of the song, what went into recording it, maybe some chart info.... then (below) more on what made Artist #2 choose this song to record, how it was produced, etc. (all this assuming of course it meets notability guidelines). I think breaking things up causes more confusion. I do know that, years ago, this kind of thing got wayy out of control with articles being made about every cover version and remix out there (for example there was an article for Whitney Houston's version of "Star Spangled Banner" and Christine Aguilera's "Christmas Song", two songs covered by approximately 50 billion artists). So per the naming conventions at [[WP:SONG]], all of these articles marked as "(single)" were combined and named uniformly with "(song)". As far as the infobox is concerned, I do see how this could look gaudy to some people, but that's (I think) something that could be taken up in a different discussion with editors who would want to improve the look of infoboxes to make them flow better. Neil Young's version should have a single infobox because, well, it was a single. Saint Etienne's should also be there — both versions have varying degrees of success in different realms of the music world, no?
:::Take a look at some of these and just tell me what you think: granted some of these may also be "lopsided" but most of the time the combining works quite well: [[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]], [[The Passenger (song)]], [[Venus (Shocking Blue song)]], [[Valerie (The Zutons song)]], [[It's My Life (Talk Talk song)]], [[I'll Be There]]. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I see your point. That's not to say that I agree with you, cause that's not the kind of guy I am! Thanks for the links; I'll have a look and will get back to you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
←Speaking of cover versions, have you seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA this] artistic interpretation of a classic? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 23:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Bacon spam==
To all members of the bacon cabal: Did you know that there is a theory that the [[Voynich manuscript]] might be the long lost [[Voynich manuscript#Theories about authorship|Book of Bacon]] ? [[User:Spinningspark|'''SpinningSpark''']] 11:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, that's fantastic. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 12:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Trouble in paradise?==
Things are heating up for the European Parliament [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8084281.stm] with [[Geert Wilders]]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Dolly Rockers==

I was hoping that Astronaut might do the work of adding the references. I was waiting to see some effort in that direction, before I added the sources; apologies that you needed to add them. I've done some work on it now too. [[User:Fences and windows|Fences and windows]] ([[User talk:Fences and windows|talk]]) 16:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, you said the same thing that I've said at AfD many a times: "not my job." And then we go on to make it our jobs anyway! Thanks for helping save a notable article, and thanks for the note. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shift4 ==

I have responded to your message to me about the edits to the Shift4 page on the Discussion page for the Shift4 article. I would like to discuss this matter further, as I believe the edits I made to be valid and not vandalism. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.170.11.126|70.170.11.126]] ([[User talk:70.170.11.126|talk]]) 21:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

== You've got to see this ==

[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld]]--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE:How about this one? ==

The current templates on those two articles don't really deal with plagiarism, but with [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]], which are different and require admin attention (our copyright pages are ''policy'' while our plagiarism page is a guideline). (By the way, do you understand the difference between our copyright policy and the plagiarism guideline? Not meant to be a condescending question, but a legitimate and sincere inquiry [the two are confusing at times, I know]. It just seems that from my previous conversations with you, and your latest message on my talk page, you're mixing the two.) This is because all content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with [[GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GFDL]], even old versions of articles. Therefore, if there are any copyright violations, admins peruse the history of the article and delete the contributions that contain them. These templates are part of this set process, and I would be wary of touching them. I've never been a fan of how big and scary they look, but I assume it's due to the legal implications when dealing with copyvios; they were created long before I joined WP.

I believe the reason why editors are cautioned not to do further editing on the pages is to just make life easier for the admins who look into the articles, so they don't have to do more work in making sure revisions are free of copyvios. In any case, an admin should be along shortly to deal with these two articles. As stated in the instructions, anyone can continue working on the text elsewhere, such as a subpage in the talk namespace. Does that help?

By the way, if you can point me to a source that actually legitimizes the whole "citation but no quotation marks is OK" point of view, I'd be much obliged. I've seen some other editors too hold this point of view, but I still have no idea where this comes from. No definition/discussion of plagiarism I've encountered considers this to be OK. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 01:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
*I am aware of the difference, yes. Since neither of the two articles were simply copied from the sources (the charge at the relevant RfA was, I imagine, that they were too close to copyvio to be called legitimate paraphrase) you'd have to make a case for why they would be copyvios, and the answer suggested, though not provided (you were never explicit), was "they're too close to the source.". That can only mean that they are not paraphrased properly, but the yardstick for "proper paraphrase" is quite unclear. ([[WP:copyvio]] doesn't specifiy.) And by the way, I never said "citation but no quotation marks is OK." I was talking about ''attribution'' and every source I've ever looked at (see my comments [[User_talk:Ottava_Rima#plagiarism.2C_from_RfA|elsewhere]]) makes lack of attribution essential in the charge of plagiarism. That I talk about copyvio and plagiarism side-by-side is because a. they are related (no matter whether one thing is policy and the other guideline) and b. plenty of participants in the RfA accused the candidate of plagiarism (see Durova's comments, for instance).I note, by the way, that at the RfA you actually didn't specify what the issues were, precisely: you gave two sets of two passages, and I concluded that you ''meant'' to say that they were too close, so close that they should be called copyvio. But that also is a judgment call, and while I freely admit that in my opinion ''some'' (though not all) of those passages should have been paraphrased more in the author's own words, the rhetorical power of the copyvio template, which (and I repeat myself) I believe was applied unjustly, was such that the RfA was hijacked, in my opinion. Your use of ellipsis towards the end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kelapstick&diff=293437887&oldid=293427174 your comment] is telling in that respect. And that is why I said what I said. While I don't want to make light of the problem of copyright violations, I am still not convinced that that was what we were dealing with here--and we were certainly not dealing with plagiarism. Rather than ask me if I know the difference, I'd like for you to address my charge: that all-too-close paraphrase (a matter of judgment) does not automatically add up to a copyright violation, and that your pasting COPYVIO all over this candidacy helped damn it. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:*OK, for a moment I thought you were actually being serious on my talk page, but instead it looks like you're out here to bait me with your passive aggressive attacks. It's not going to work. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Twillig, you're not reading very carefully. I was being serious, and I'm not trying to be passive at all. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Seed swap ==

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:You put a lot of effort into saving some shack near U o Bama's campus, but nothing for [[Anarchist naturism]]? Now it's gone. So many people will be left in ignorance without coverage of this important subject. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, it's gone? (Was it ever there?) Yes, the shack is saved--did you see Alarob's comments at that AfD? I don't know what to think. Sorry about the naturism thing. Recreate it, why don't you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Bacon enthusiasts are known for breaking chairs, especially those of faulty design. Someone removed my cardboard chair pic from the [[cardboard]] article. Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== ''[[Hell Awaits]]'' you... ==

...we have heavy metal <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[WP:GENREWARRIOR|Genre Warrior]]: "you mean black metal, right?"] and hot girls! {{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 02:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, I can do with some hot girls! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Loki, what's that word that's misspoken? You can't just tease the reader like that! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Most of that you reorganized, was not written by me.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha, I'm glad--I wouldn't want to mess with you. But still, what's the word? Now I'm curious. Don't make me search the blogs and stuff... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::[http://rapidshare.com/files/62280605/Slayer_-_Hell_Awaits.rar Is this?]--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You can "save" [[Commercial Metal|this article]]? Also, thanks for answer my last reply.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'll have a look--but as you may know, Blackmetalbaz is my master metallurgian. I downloaded the file, but haven't listened to it yet, since I can't unpack it where I'm at. I'll get back to you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 19:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Haha, I don't think there's any saving that one. Good luck! Oh, I played that album in the car. Not bad, but anytime I want to hear something more or less like that I go to the [[Chaos AD|best thing]]. As for that misspelled word--I think that whole passage should be dropped from the article, since it's really a bit trivial, don't you think? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don't think. Ah, so you should listen to bands like: [[Meshuggah]], [[Ephel Duath (band)|Ephel Duath]], [[Deathspell Omega]], [[Sigh (band)|Sigh]]...; all different, but connected by their experimentalism. ([[Sepultura]] is a very experimental band) --[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 05:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::(Regarding [[Evangelion (album)#Preproduction, recording and production|''Evangelion'' (album)]]) Hi, you could take a look in this article, please.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 20:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::I carry a very blunt axe... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:{{=)|wink2}}--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 21:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

----
You could copy-edit this [[Dream Theater discography|list]]? Ah, you saw [[Talk:Hell Awaits|that]]? And the bands above, you listened?--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Cortez Gold Mine]]==
Hi. I see that you've expressed an interest in helping clean up this article, and it would be much appreciated, particularly if you have access to [http://www.miningmagazine.com/mine-of-the-month/cortez-hills--the-latest-chapter]. I can't view it. I can confirm that there is some duplication from [http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/cortez/], as with "the first simultaneous start-up of an underground and surface mine in Nevada", but I don't know what needs to be cleaned from the other source. Lacking access to it, if I am left to address it (and can't find somebody who ''can'' access it), I'm not going to have any option but to rewrite or remove the article. Can you help? (I'll be watching your talk page. Please let me know either way, since I'll be looking around for other resources if necessary.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Check your email, girl! I hope that helps. As you can see in the history, I did some of it already, but I don't know how well or if it was to satisfaction; I may not have been in the best frame of mind. Thanks for your help, and let me know what I can do. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. :) Given the complexity of the article, I probably won't be able to address it until tomorrow (getting late in my part of the world), but your assistance is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. It's not so late here, but I'm waiting for this cute little girl sitting next to me to go to bed (that is, when ''[[Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey|Homeward Bound]]'' is over). Drop me a line; I may have some time tomorrow in between classes. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I envy you. I've got ''[[Paul Blart: Mall Cop]]''. (sigh) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Can you undelete and stub-ify the Batu Hijau article please? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 01:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, I can't undelete a copyvio. The article was listed for a week as per process to allow contributors an opportunity to address it, but unfortunately nobody did so, and the copyright infringement was foundational, going all the way back to the first edit. There was no clean version to revert to. If you'd like to create a stub, I'd be happy to give you any non-GFDL infringing elements from the page, including categories or external links. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::the sources and info box are enough for me to rewrite it properly. Cheers. [[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 01:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::All right. I'll prop them in your userspace if you'd like. Note that I did also offer the template-blanked version back for a few days [[User_talk:Bongomatic#Your_note.2C_Drmies_page|at Bongomatic's talk page]]. I don't know if you read the template, but you are welcome to revise the article in the temporary space if you'd like, alone or in tandem. That stands for this one as well. All that matters is that problematic text be dealt with. If you have any questions about paraphrasing, I'd be happy to help you. I suspect you know quite a lot more about this subject than I do. (Sorry for parking on your talkpage, Drmies. :))--[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No that's fine--if I knew y'all were coming I'd made you coffee and baked some cakes. What is this, the first chapter of ''[[The Hobbit]]''? I did make some edits to Cortez, but then I read the template again and undid them. I looked at it one more time and now I think I know what I should have done...too complicated for me. Anyway, I'm happy--we're all on it, the article will be back in good shape, Shadow and all them found their way home (though my daughter was ''still'' crying cause he hurt his paw), my daughter is in bed, my phone-laptop-Bluetooth connection miraculously started working, and the coffee is ready. And the mall is safe from crime, I imagine. MRGirl, you're welcome here anytime. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha! [[Kristin Hersh]]! Haven't thought about her in forever. I used to have a tape (yes, a tape) of ''Hips and Makers'', with that creepy song with Michael Stipe. (That article needs a good scrubbing.) Guess I'll have to dig that up now, and find my old Walkman. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Having the template blanked version would be good, but either way is fine with me. I see Bongo commented on his talk as to a location. It is most appreciated. Also I will take a look at the offline refs of Cortez Hills tomorrow and make sure they are not in violation. I think I have the magazine on my desk still (under a large pile of paper). We watched ''[[Bedtime Stories (film)|Bedtime Stories]]'' last night, well worth it. Rock on.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 03:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::All right. It is so userfied. I appreciate your looking into the Cortez Hills article as well. I now have access to the material, so I can help as needed, but it is not my area of expertise. Editing, on the other hand, is (not Wikipedia; I mean it in the general sense), so please don't hesitate to let me know if you've found something you can't figure out how to put into your own words. Nevermind what I do with it off-Wiki, I've been doing it on Wiki every day for almost a year. :) Linguistics [[Rubic's Cube]]. ''Bedtime Stories'' was way better than ''Mall Cop''. :D [[User:Drmies|Drmies]], is Gandalf here yet? (I love that song. And it is creepy. If you haven't heard her lately, you should check out what 15 years of heavy smoking and not taking care of her throat have done. Her voice is incredibly textured.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 10:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Hey Doc, [[User:Kelapstick/Cortez Gold Mine]] and [[Batu Hijau mine]] are done (following a sprinkle of [[holy water]] on Cortez), so that monstrosity is finalized. Have yourself a drink, I will talk to you tomorrow.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Dahil Sa Iyo ==

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== Smile ==

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'''Drmies''', Sky Attacker has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! ''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
</div>--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Thanks Legend! I needed that after reading stuff at WP:ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::What did you read? Anything good? Do tell! I barely hear from you any more now that KBC2009 is over. So sad... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::That's cause I'm often on recent changes these days, and you never edit on anything but bureaucratic matters :/ I made a few comments on AfDs, and am doing cleanup on a couple of things. Well, another longtime contributor apparently left, an admin is threatened with being stripped, nothing new really. But it's always a bit sad to see WP editors yelling and getting worked up, on matters that often, from the outside looking in, seem trivial. Hey, I saw a minute of ''[[Chopped]]'' just now, and the loser seemed to have made [[chocolate covered bacon]] for his dessert. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I thought Blofield came back? Who left? I'm fighting for my Wikilife on bureaucratic matters kiddo. 1 revert per article per week? Which Admin is threatened with a stripping? Is it a cute one? I'll have to check out chopped. I'm thinking of setting up some sock accounts so I can become and Admin and get a seat on Arbcom. What do you think? Seriously though, none of this is trivial. It's all VERY important. They're trying to delete Auburn's 2010 football team before they even have a chance![http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_10#2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team] Tough times for all of us. Cheerios. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::And what happened to the Snake 'n Bake? I tried to tivo it but no luck. Is it gone forever? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Blofeld is back, but Stifle made a no-no, according to some, and Shoemaker's Holiday called it quits. And I didn't say it ''was'' trivial--I said it looked trivial from the outside. Our recent RfA adventures were FAR from trivial, but we were on the inside. And for Auburn: the biggest news there is the resignation of [[Bobby Lowder]]--and our article says nothing about the enormous amounts of gossip going around! And I don't know about Snake 'n' Bacon...I don't have that channel... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you can help determine the future of [[Animal love]] (safe for work... at least last I checked) and [[Jesse Dee]]. Stifle seems to be more reasonable than ever lately, although I don't think I see eye to eye with the kid. I'll have to look into that.

"From trivial, but we were on the inside"? What kind of yoda-speak is this? Have you been hanging out with my main man GTB? I take it you are high on life? :)
*No yoda--just forgot a word. Please note my correction of the grievous error, sir. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is 2010 this coming season or the following season? Anyway, "your" Lakers <s>are</s> were looking good <s>so far</s>. Not really a match-up that I find particularly interesting. Keep it real. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
*I assume you're being sympathetic. The commentators also tried to see the Lakers glass as half-full. My problem is that game 4 is played Sunday evening, and we're going camping in [[DeSoto State Park]], and I don't know if we'll be back home on time. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm VERY sympathetic. I hadn't realized they were playing last night, so I was commenting on the first two games until I found out they had lost. As success follows me everywhere, it won't be surprising when LA wins the championship. As for my Jets??? well... They're not much without me and Keyshawn now are they.[[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Another 3RR issue over at death metal==
One particular editor keeps reinserting the text regarding "brutal death metal" despite its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brutal death metal|deletion]]. They are clearly in breach of 3RR at this stage. Care to take a look? [[User:Blackmetalbaz|Blackmetalbaz]] ([[User talk:Blackmetalbaz|talk]]) 11:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw it yesterday. Did you report them? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just saw a picture on Facebook of an old friend of mine playing [[piano]] for [[Jan Peter Balkenende]], he (the PM) had on a weird tie.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I left before he was out of diapers. I'd never even heard of him, and I hope you won't mind if I don't put a picture of him up here! But...your friend plays piano for heads of state? That's not a bad gig! Was he tired of mining? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Never was in mining, always a [[Piano Man (song)|Piano Man]]. Actually I knew him long before I considered digging in the dirt. He's going to school in the Netherlands, music something, not sure how he got that gig put I would agree it is a pretty good one.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== first vs second treaty ==

Good error catch on the treaty with Mexico. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yours is infinitely more reliable. Like Wikipedia itself those less reputable websites are ok for giving you ideas, but its always best to get a second and more reliable source for web based facts. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/297926692.html?dids=297926692:297926692&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Apr+09%2C+1918&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=CARRANZA+GREETS+KING+OF+BELGIUM&pqatl=google King and Queen of Belgium visited Mexico in 1918] but I am about to go to bed, can you peek if you are still awake and see if you can find a better reference? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 06:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
*I found [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z3gLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5623,4213429&dq=carranza+king+of+belgium this]--I don't have access to old editions of the Monitor. As far as I can tell it wasn't a visit, just a telegram. Still, it was a telegram important enough to be reported on in ''[[The Evening Independent]]''--somewhat strange, really. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Cubs197|reply}}
I replied to you on my talk page.--[[User:Cubs197|Cubs197]] ([[User talk:Cubs197|talk]]) 05:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Red Deer ==

Curious, what pages are affected? I've found [[Red Deer, Alberta]], [[Red Deer]] the animal, and [[Red Deer (disambiguation)]], plus redirects to those pages. You're correct that I have tools that you don't: I can fix the move from Red deer (animal) to Red Deer. That's the only change that I can see that you can't fix; are there any others? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Is everything fixed, as far as you can see? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think so--thanks a lot for your help. I was afraid I had done more harm than good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

=="Intentional wrongdoers"==
You freaking cheaters! Isn't this de ja vus all over again? How is it that you don't win more with all these violations? Tsk tsk tsk. I hope this foul play doesn't reflect poorly on the devoted student athletes and high standards maintained by Auburn and other SEC schools. Should Bama be demoted to Div 2 for a while until they can get things in order? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Eeeeehhhhh...what are you talking about? Do I need to listen to talk radio more? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Hmm. OK. Well, at least it wasn't ALL the sports, just "softball, baseball, women's gymnastics, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, men's golf, women's golf, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's tennis, women's tennis, men's track and field, women's track and field, women's soccer and women's volleyball."<ref name="NCAA">{{cite news
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| work = [[Montgomery Advertiser]]
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| url = http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090611/NLETTER02/90611036
| accessdate = 2009-06-11}}</ref> Flag football and rugby seem to be squeaky clean, so that's a relief, and as "1solidrock" wrote on the ''[[Montgomery Advertiser]]'''s website, "Must be some Auburn, LSU, Tennessee influence somewhere on this supposed impartial panel."<ref name="NCAA"/> [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute. I just looked at the source you provided. This whole hoo hah is about free textbooks? Seriously? Ahahahahaha. USC players are getting nice cars and houses for their folks and you guys get busted for giving away textbooks to your athletes. Too funny. All is fair in love and war my friend. Go Tigers!!! :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===References===
{{reflist}}

== a general thank you... ==

...to users Kelapstick, MuZemike, and Alansohn for keeping it clean. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Keeping what clean? This sounds dirty... What have you guys been up to? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Why wasn't Bynum in the game? Is Kobe allowed to elbow people in the face? He must have Admin status... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it was an exciting game. Howard should have made his free throws and the game would have been over in regulation. Cheerios. Congrats. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I even saw some of it. And Bynum was in the game, and yes, Kobe can do anything he likes! I was glad that Fisher had a couple of nice shots. (Clean: check the history of my user page, haha.) You doing alright? Plans for the weekend? Working on some bilateral relations perhaps? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
About floating is also a box? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
*This edit
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spekkoek&curid=8101897&diff=296445064&oldid=252769602] needs a check and some clean up ([[speculaas]] can be wikilinked too). One of your compatriots at work, I presume? I was doing some Google News checking on various old article subjects I've worked on and I see [[Kees Christiaanse]] is still in the news. Apparently he's involved in this and that, keeping the colonial legacy going in Indonesia and what have you. How do you find [[This Earth of Mankind]] so far? Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw this comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALugnuts&diff=296578104&oldid=296483724] and I thought you might like to help with the effort. If you guys stick to the notable ones it should only take a day or two at the most. I don't think there are more than 2 or 3. :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Warning templates ==

Not a dumb question at all. :) The reason it is confusing if because that template isn't meant to be used directly. Instead use:

<nowiki>{{</nowiki>subst:spam-warn|''page''|header=1<nowiki>}} ~~~~</nowiki>

where ''page'' is the page you placed the speedy tag on.

For convenience, the speedy template should have a ready made version that you can copy and paste near the bottom of it (after it has been added to an article).

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even better, Doctor, try using Twinkle and Friendly, which can now be installed though your gadgets settings at your preferences. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 18:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Floodplain (album)]] ==

Hi! Do you have the album? If so, could you please look what is written in the notes about Ram Narayan's involvement, if any, and tell me? That would be very kind. Thank you. [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 17:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. I don't have the album here so I'll have to get back to you. The [http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/floodplain Nonesuch website] has a little bit of information, but not what you're looking for, I think. There's a short paragraph for each song, and I'll see what it says. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! Please feel free to send me an email (link on my userpage). [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 00:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::You know, having the recording they took their version from, I'm sad no review commented on comparisons between the original versions and the covers. I've only found the four reviews though, do you know of any I didn't put in the infobox? [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 11:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Stanley R. Jaffe]] ==

I gave Sam a bit of expansion and sourcing. There is lots more out there. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 00:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Jason L. McCoy]] ==
I saw in the edit history that you were considering speedy for this page, but since no one has done that and the page has been up for a bit, I PRODded it; just letting you know. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks. I did consider it, but the guy is a mayor and I don't know if that makes him automatically notable. If you look through the various versions, though, you'll see quickly why I considered it. Thanks, Spaceman; I'll add the page to my watchlist. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I think being a mayor of a town of 25k people will probably get a pass from CSD, but he still doesn't qualify per either [[WP:Politician]] or [[WP:N]] from what I've been able to find, so I decided to PROD. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Yes sorry about that. You were too fast for me :-) --[[User:Jmh649|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*No problem at all. I should have realized, actually, that your name looked familiar to me and that I'd seen your edits (or maybe vandalism reverts) on a medical article a couple of months ago. Happy editing, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pick your hook.... ==

====Stanley R. Jaffe====

{{*mp}}... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' after resigning as president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1971 to found his own producton company, returned 20 years later in 1991 to be president of [[Paramount Communications]] and then replaced [[Brandon Tartikoff]] in 1992 as president of [[Paramount Pictures]] ?

:*'''ALT1''':... that after producing ''[[Goodbye, Columbus (film)|Goodby Columbus]]'', '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was appointed president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1970, only to resign in 1971 to form his own production company ?
:*'''ALT2''':... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was president of several different [[Paramount Pictures]] divisions, yet never held any one postion with them for more than 2 years ?
:*''Comment'': article a collaborative effort inspired by [[User:Drmies]]
Created by [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]), [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|MichaelQSchmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]). Self nom at 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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'''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Michael, I like the first and the third. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotoosvanrobin/3082739432/] Freely licensed. Came up when I was investigating the subject of [[spice cake]] (new article). What is sea foam? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

*It has been submitted to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADid_you_know&diff=297667396&oldid=297665544 DYK]. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[WP:TRIVIA]] ==

Like many WP editors, you seem to be under a complete misapprehension of what "trivia" means: re-read the policy, it applies to the '''style''' of writing (bulleted list of various facts), not the '''content'''. If the section is well written in a form of prose, there is nothing wrong with having it. As for a search engine not being a reliable source – I've quoted two reliable sources that definitely back up the credibility of that engine (in this case, an answer providing forum). [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 01:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
*Oh, I'm sorry--I thought the policy said "Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined"; and I thought that meant, for instance, that trivia sections should be avoided. If you think that search engines are reliable sources, then I doubt that reading [[WP:RS]] will do you much good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmm... looks like you didn't bother to read my response at all. "Trivia sections should be avoided" applies to '''''bulleted lists''''', not all sections labeled "trivia" – hence ''"a better method of representation."'' If the section is written as prose it does not fall under that category in that specific guideline. The section can also be renamed. As for [[WP:RS]], there is no mentioning of search engines – neither there nor in [[WP:NOR]]. Please do correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:InQuahogNeato|InQuahogNeato]] ([[User talk:InQuahogNeato|talk]]) 07:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Sherry Lansing]] ==

After working on [[Stanley R. Jaffe]], I could not leave Sherry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sherry_Lansing&diff=296998339&oldid=295088214 unreferenced] and open to deletion nomination by some editor too lazy to look for sources. So I did some major expansion of her awards and recognitions and sourced it fairly well. You decide which hook you wish for the Jaffe DYK? '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Opps. Just saw. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 04:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Brian: Portrait of a Dog

2009-06-21T01:50:47Z

InQuahogNeato: Undid revision 297372614 by Drmies (talk) Why?

{{Infobox Television episode
| Title =Brian: Portrait of a Dog
| Series =Family Guy
| Image =[[Image:1ACX07.jpg|220px]]
| Caption =Brian meets his cell mate after becoming incarcerated.
| Season =1
| Episode =7
| Airdate =May 16, 1999
| Production =1ACX07
| Writer =[[Gary Janetti]]
| Director =[[Michael Dante DiMartino]]
| Guests =[[Dick Van Patten]], [[Mary Scheer]]
| Episode list =[[List of Family Guy episodes]]
| Season list = {{Infobox Family Guy Season 1}}
| Prev =[[The Son Also Draws]]
| Next =[[Peter, Peter, Caviar Eater]]
}}
__NOTOC__
"'''Brian: Portrait of a Dog'''" was the final episode of the first season of ''[[Family Guy]]'', and is the seventh episode of ''[[Family Guy]]'' to have been aired. It guest-stars [[Dick Van Patten]] as Tom Bradford. The episode's title is a reference to the movie ''[[Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer]]''.

== Plot summary ==

[[Quahog (Family Guy)|Quahog]] is in the grip of an unusual [[heat wave]] and, not having air conditioning, the Griffins are suffering. [[Peter Griffin|Peter]] learns of an upcoming dog show offering a top prize of [[United States dollar|$]]500, which he sees as the perfect way that would enable him to buy an [[air conditioner]]. He persuades a reluctant [[Brian Griffin|Brian]] to participate. Brian performs his tricks at the [[dog show]], stops for a quick single puff of a [[cigarette]] midway, and almost wins first place for the family. Peter puts a bone biscuit on Brian's nose; Brian finds this demeaning and becomes [[angry]], so he refuses to "perpetuate the [[stereotype]] of the 'good dog' ", as well as since Peter said he was feeling embarrassed that Brian wouldn't comply. Brian subsequently exits in a huff.

[[Image:FGBrianPortaitofDog.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Peter and Brian performing at the dog show]]
On the way home, Peter and Brian argue until an angry Brian gets out of the car. The police give Brian a ticket for violating the local leash law, for which Peter has to pay $10 for, only further widening their rift. When Peter and Brian get into another argument, Peter mentions that he found Brian on the road as a stray dog. Angry that Peter brought that up, Brian leaves the house, whereupon he is treated badly and unfairly by the community, and is ultimately forced to sleep at the bus station. Peter buys a new cat which turns out to be mischievous, abusing the Griffins to no end; they get rid of it and search for Brian. By the time Peter decides to apologize to Brian, Brian has hit rock bottom; has been kicked out of a restaurant and a public store and chased by the police when they found him drinking from a water fountain. Brian becomes homeless, having actually attacked a man on the street for treating Brian as a drunken [[hobo]] and for not believing that Brian was a good dog. He is subsequently taken away by the police and so waiting for a death sentence via a [[lethal injection]]. Peter writes to [[MacGyver]] asking him to save his dog, and sends him a drinking straw, a rubber band and a [[paper clip]]. Unfortunately, the objects malfunction and poke MacGyver in the eye.

At an office, a social worker announces to Brian and the rest of his family that Brian is sentenced to be put down before anyone could speak up, which shocks the whole family. While Peter works on Brian's [[appeal]], Brian decides to study the laws as much as he can and goes to court to defend his own case, but when he finally gets the chance to plead his case, the court decides that "it is stupid" to listen to a dog. During Brian's parole hearing, he references the court case ''[[Plessy v. Ferguson]]''. Just when he is about to be dismissed, Peter steps in and delivers a last-ditch emotional appeal on his behalf; his speech deeply moves his family to confess some of their own personal crimes, including the fact that [[Chris Griffin|Chris]] stole $10 from [[Meg Griffin|Meg]], who stole that money from Lois, who had counterfeited it in the first place. The people are still not on Brian's side, but Peter promises to give them $20, which convinces them to free Brian. The charges against Brian are finally dropped and the town shows him new respect, allowing him to finally drink out of a water fountain, showing his status to be the same as that of the other citizens of the community. Back at home, when the two are alone, Brian licks Peter's face in an endearing dog gesture, and threatens to kill him if he ''ever'' tells anyone about it.

== References ==
{{reflist}}
Callaghan, Steve. "Brian: Portrait of a Dog." ''Family Guy: The Official Episode Guide Seasons 1-3''. New York: HarperCollins, 2005. 38–41.

== External links ==
* {{FGwiki}}
* {{imdb title|0576923}}
* {{tv.com episode|17640}}
* [http://openhulu.com/watch.php?show=Family+Guy&episode=Brian%3A++Portrait+Of+A+Dog&id=2042 ''Watch Brian: Portrait of a Dog''] on OpenHulu.com

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InQuahogNeato: /* WP:TRIVIA */ new section

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== Remove the stench ==
[[Image:Disinfection liquid.JPG|200px|left|thumb|Disinfectant attached to a befouled RfA process]]This might be useful. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
*Hey, I just had a quick look at [[Clifton's Cafeteria]]--nice! Of course, I didn't check to see if your punctuation was plagiarized or not, which is entirely possible. I didn't know it was featured in ''[[On the Road]]'', which I read long, long before I ever came to the US (and so many things didn't make sense to me, but it did make for a different and probably valuable reading experience). Speaking of new things, I went to a baseball game tonight, for the first time in my life. The mascot, [[Montgomery Biscuits|Big Mo]], even came to our box--unfortunately just as my oldest daughter was on the playground, and the five-month old didn't seem to care, haha. But the fast food (and the [[fried chicken]] with [[biscuit]]s and [[white gravy]]) was pretty good, and fun, since I never eat that. And I had a couple of beers with my colleague, and forgot all about stuff for a couple of hours. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
**Spring in the homeland [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cermivelli/3462904487/]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
***Wow, nice... Thanks for that shot. The summer semester has started here, and I miss being home in the summer, doing (next to) nothing. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Thanks again ==
[[File:Biere Duvel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Try this.]]
As I promised myself I spent Sunday with my family, drank too much beer and even hosted a last minute BBQ (sorry you couldn't make it). I even managed to take a friend of mine to school in [[Mario Kart Wii|Mario Kart]]. I want to thank you again for nominating my for adminship in addition to all the other support you provided. As for my justification for withdrawal, I felt that the examples provided by BuddingJournalist/TwilligToves showed me that I need to focus on my content contributions before I am ready to branch out in other areas of responsibility. While my opinion was that Ottava's examples were taken out of context (as I showed), the larger ones were not. The decision was not based on whether or not I felt I was in violation of any policy or guideline it was something I felt was the right thing to do. My primary focus here is content and I need to have that down before I can advance further. As I explained I felt that Ottava's examples were enough to point out that I had some work to do but not enough to hang me from the proverbial [[yardarms]]. This is in regards to two issues (1) WP:PLAGIARISM was only promoted to a guideline on 20 May (or about 11 days ago), so I feel it is a little early to claim people are in violation of it (since nobody actually did say I was in violation of it I did not bring it up, but I felt the intention was there) (2) as you have stated (and I will bring up again), the definition is far too ambiguous to be used in any discussion regarding an editors actions, and based on that alone in my opinion the guideline does not hold water. I appreciated Ottava's assumption of good faith and his going neutral following my efforts to correct them. I am not sure which way the actual RfA would have gone if it had fully proceeded, and truthfully right now I do not want to think about it. Now I have some serious matters to get to, as I recall there was a request from Bongo to have an article written about some bug, and now that this and the bacon challenge are over I can get back to improving the encyclopedia, which is all I ever wanted to do. I am glad you got to a baseball game, I was at a [[Reno Aces]] game a few weeks ago, good times and a great park (brand new too). If you are in the area let me know and we can catch one. Cheers and happy editing. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:K, you are a nice guy, and a much better man than I am, I think. I agree absolutely on the two issues. I felt like tanking the whole WP thing, but there's too much work to be done. But right now I'm focusing on only one tiny little thing, one article, and am leaving the rest for what it is--I'm sure that won't be forever. (I did make some minor edits to that Barrock mine article, but didn't feel like removing the template yet--I don't want to appear to spiteful, and besides, who knows what the guidelines are?) As for BBQ, that's always a good thing. I enjoy cooking it more than eating it, haha. I got some hickory from Publix; earlier, I used scrap oak from various carpentry projects. Thanks for the note. You know you have made a ton of friends here on WP--just look at the list of names of supporters. Take it easy! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Strode Mansion]]==
Not sure how notable this subject is as it's on the campus of a school with subpar football team. But I thought you might want to have a look. GO TIGERS!!! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I came across [[naturist anarchism]], a subject I in which I believe you have great expertise. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh and here's one more for you [[The Applejacks (NL band)]], a Dutch band based on an American breakfast cereal. I prefer raisin bran. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 19:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:How's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Applejacks_(NL_band)&curid=23049569&diff=294007074&oldid=294005941 this edit summary] for irony?--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 19:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::Haha, nice, but am I expected to save this joint? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::As far as I can tell there aren't any Dutch bands that are notable. I hope that helps. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Tell that to [[Shocking Blue]]. Hey, Applejack might be less not-notable than I thought. I don't think there will be enough, but who knows...if they win [[The Next Stage]] this month in the [[Melkweg]]... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoM, you have a lot of nominating to do: [[:Category:Dutch musical groups]]. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 05:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Doc when you're done futzing with that Dutch [[garage band]], will you have a look at this edit to an article on one of your Democratic political buddies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Villaraigosa&curid=21347195&diff=294103426&oldid=294103125#cite_note-36]? Thanks mucho. I know you have the highest content, sourcing and NPOV standards. And I know I can count on you to ensure that we expose any sort of spin doctoring and covering up of cronyism between socialists and their big business allies who are bankrupting this country. Kudos! [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 06:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dimitris Melissanidis ==

What do mean by "misspelling"? "Dimitris" and "Dimitrios" is the same name in Greek. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They are two articles for the same person. Take one and improve it. Take the other one and redirect to the other. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

==Art Walk==
here you go [http://www.flickr.com/photos/34815340@N06/3587366104/in/set-72157619171206542/] You can scroll through the rest of the shots from that link. Sorry about the delay. You and MQS have been very patient. There are more photos, but I hit the Flickr limit. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Nice! Nice trip, I'm jealous. Wish I could have joined you! Lots of cool things--I liked the Alessi display. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.webundies.com/nu030r2m.htm?AID=10273800&PID=2876692] What do you think? The end is near? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the end is near. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/S_Marshall| S Marshall RfA]] ==

I am a bit puzzled... since you nommed the candidate, do you intend to !vote for support? I don't see it yet. --'''''[[User:Stanistani|Stani]][[User talk:Stanistani|Stani ]]''''' 06:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Isn't it obvious that I support the candidate I nominate? Strongly? But it's all water under the bridge now. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Heads Up ==

Just in case you didn't know already. [[User:Dr. Blofeld]] has retired.--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 09:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Legend. That is not good news. Blofeld and I had a bit of fun together and produced some nice stuff. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like Dr. Blofeld will ever be coming back. I think he's gone forever....--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Angels on horseback ==

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== Strode House ==

I don't have anything helpful on the shelf, although I may be able to locate something. (There's a book I haven't had a chance to check yet.) I have weighed in on the AfD, and I think the consensus is strongly in favor of notability. — [[User:Alarob|ℜob C.]] ''alias'' [[User_talk:Alarob|'''ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ''']] 16:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks Rob. Yeah, the status as a historical building ought to be enough, but I am also interested in seeing the article fleshed out a bit more. It ''is'' a beautiful, beautiful building. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of the Netherlands, I forgot to tell you that I watched a whole segment on [[European Journal]] about the collapsing pension system in the Netherlands. And it seems they are pushing back the reirement age to 67. Folks who bought into Al Gore's lock-box lie over here are likely in for a much worse surprise when they realize Uncle Sam has saved not a penny on their behalf. Good thing we shot down those personal accounts... ooops I mean "PRIVATIZED" social security system. Egads! :) My local weekly did a feature story on "bacon bits" including J&Ds lip balm, a car that runs on bacon (BioBlend Fuels) and the BA-K-47 from thisisfreakingridiculous.com. So the end will have to wait until next week. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah, I'm sure the Dutch are terrified at their coming doom, and will be running to apply for American citizenship. At least here you ''know'' you don't get jack! (Not even Applejack.) Maybe Uncle Sam can try to retrieve some of those cargo planes full of cash that dropped their contents on Iraq during the previous administration. Hey, I saw the AfD for the list of bacon dishes--funny how bacon really brings out the carnivores in a lot of WP editors! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those planes have been diverted for Obama's war games in Afghanistan. Here's a link for your weapon of choice [http://www.thisisfreakingridiculous.com/tifr/2009/4/13/ba-k-47.html]. And here's the EJ story [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4262386,00.html]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nice! Looks a lot better than my standard issue. Oh...Afghanistan...yes...I forgot...where we were fighting the "war on terror" until we started fighting the "war for Halliburton and Blackwater"... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Pfff. That's German news. It couldn't possibly be true. Ha, did you see the GM ads on TV, arguing that this is only the beginning of a new kind of car industry? This is getting too serious--time for football season to begin. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Didn't the majority leader in the Senate declare the war in Iraq lost some time ago? Government Motors is indeed the beginning of a very new car industry. And they're trying to implement the same operational structure on health care and the rest of the private sector as well. :) Football? We still have a ways to go. I wonder if your QB and Auburn's DB will make teams... Stay cool. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::When you guys are done talking politics and football can you swing by [[User:Kelapstick/Samuel L. Jackson filmography]] and see how it looks (same request posted on Bongo's talk page too). I trues when I show up in the morning it will look nothing as it does now? Thanks. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Only Love Can Break Your Heart==
Please stop removing the cover version from this article. "Some other band" (Saint Etienne's) version is notable enough to be included and to have an infobox, as it charted as a top-40 UK single and a number-one U.S. dance single. Song articles within Wikipedia include original versions, as well as notable covers and/or remixes. If you are going to make such a huge, sweeping change to an article, please take it up on the Talk Page first. Thanks. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think that it is against policy to keep them together; in fact I can give you a zillion examples of song articles that include more than one version of the same song.... although I'm sure you've seen quite a few throughout WP. I will, however, (if you'd like) assist in beefing up the Neil Young portion. I do agree that it is extremely lopsided (that extensive track list section probably isn't imperative) but that's not a reason to spin off the Saint Etienne part. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Eric, I'll keep it here, so we don't have to go back and forth all the time. The way I look at it, the Saint Etienne version ''is'' a spin-off, and so the article should be too, and, as I mentioned before, it deserves its own article. And part of the problem, besides the lopsidedness (which could be solved by editing and writing), is the double set of infoboxes, which I find confusing and esthetically not very pleasing, and the somewhat strange set of categories. Again, it seems to me that the article is about a song, by Neil Young, on ''After the Gold Rush'' (and the infobox should be, IMO, for "song" and not for "single"), sure, with one of those "for the hit by Saint Etienne, see [[etc.]]" lines at the top; and a no.1 hit single should get its own article. Combining them suggests that the Saint Etienne single isn't notable enough in its own right to have an article despite having been a no.1 hit. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I do see the point, but I look at it this way: an article is about a ''song''. Someone writes it, records it, puts it on an album, releases it as a single, has a hit. Lovely. Someone else records their interpretation, has another hit with it. And so on. All of this is part of the history of the song. i.e, in a perfect encyclopedia (I'm dreaming here) there would be info on the inspiration of the song, what went into recording it, maybe some chart info.... then (below) more on what made Artist #2 choose this song to record, how it was produced, etc. (all this assuming of course it meets notability guidelines). I think breaking things up causes more confusion. I do know that, years ago, this kind of thing got wayy out of control with articles being made about every cover version and remix out there (for example there was an article for Whitney Houston's version of "Star Spangled Banner" and Christine Aguilera's "Christmas Song", two songs covered by approximately 50 billion artists). So per the naming conventions at [[WP:SONG]], all of these articles marked as "(single)" were combined and named uniformly with "(song)". As far as the infobox is concerned, I do see how this could look gaudy to some people, but that's (I think) something that could be taken up in a different discussion with editors who would want to improve the look of infoboxes to make them flow better. Neil Young's version should have a single infobox because, well, it was a single. Saint Etienne's should also be there — both versions have varying degrees of success in different realms of the music world, no?
:::Take a look at some of these and just tell me what you think: granted some of these may also be "lopsided" but most of the time the combining works quite well: [[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]], [[The Passenger (song)]], [[Venus (Shocking Blue song)]], [[Valerie (The Zutons song)]], [[It's My Life (Talk Talk song)]], [[I'll Be There]]. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I see your point. That's not to say that I agree with you, cause that's not the kind of guy I am! Thanks for the links; I'll have a look and will get back to you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
←Speaking of cover versions, have you seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA this] artistic interpretation of a classic? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 23:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==Bacon spam==
To all members of the bacon cabal: Did you know that there is a theory that the [[Voynich manuscript]] might be the long lost [[Voynich manuscript#Theories about authorship|Book of Bacon]] ? [[User:Spinningspark|'''SpinningSpark''']] 11:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, that's fantastic. Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 12:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Trouble in paradise?==
Things are heating up for the European Parliament [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8084281.stm] with [[Geert Wilders]]. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Dolly Rockers==

I was hoping that Astronaut might do the work of adding the references. I was waiting to see some effort in that direction, before I added the sources; apologies that you needed to add them. I've done some work on it now too. [[User:Fences and windows|Fences and windows]] ([[User talk:Fences and windows|talk]]) 16:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, you said the same thing that I've said at AfD many a times: "not my job." And then we go on to make it our jobs anyway! Thanks for helping save a notable article, and thanks for the note. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shift4 ==

I have responded to your message to me about the edits to the Shift4 page on the Discussion page for the Shift4 article. I would like to discuss this matter further, as I believe the edits I made to be valid and not vandalism. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.170.11.126|70.170.11.126]] ([[User talk:70.170.11.126|talk]]) 21:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

== You've got to see this ==

[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld]]--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE:How about this one? ==

The current templates on those two articles don't really deal with plagiarism, but with [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]], which are different and require admin attention (our copyright pages are ''policy'' while our plagiarism page is a guideline). (By the way, do you understand the difference between our copyright policy and the plagiarism guideline? Not meant to be a condescending question, but a legitimate and sincere inquiry [the two are confusing at times, I know]. It just seems that from my previous conversations with you, and your latest message on my talk page, you're mixing the two.) This is because all content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with [[GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GFDL]], even old versions of articles. Therefore, if there are any copyright violations, admins peruse the history of the article and delete the contributions that contain them. These templates are part of this set process, and I would be wary of touching them. I've never been a fan of how big and scary they look, but I assume it's due to the legal implications when dealing with copyvios; they were created long before I joined WP.

I believe the reason why editors are cautioned not to do further editing on the pages is to just make life easier for the admins who look into the articles, so they don't have to do more work in making sure revisions are free of copyvios. In any case, an admin should be along shortly to deal with these two articles. As stated in the instructions, anyone can continue working on the text elsewhere, such as a subpage in the talk namespace. Does that help?

By the way, if you can point me to a source that actually legitimizes the whole "citation but no quotation marks is OK" point of view, I'd be much obliged. I've seen some other editors too hold this point of view, but I still have no idea where this comes from. No definition/discussion of plagiarism I've encountered considers this to be OK. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 01:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
*I am aware of the difference, yes. Since neither of the two articles were simply copied from the sources (the charge at the relevant RfA was, I imagine, that they were too close to copyvio to be called legitimate paraphrase) you'd have to make a case for why they would be copyvios, and the answer suggested, though not provided (you were never explicit), was "they're too close to the source.". That can only mean that they are not paraphrased properly, but the yardstick for "proper paraphrase" is quite unclear. ([[WP:copyvio]] doesn't specifiy.) And by the way, I never said "citation but no quotation marks is OK." I was talking about ''attribution'' and every source I've ever looked at (see my comments [[User_talk:Ottava_Rima#plagiarism.2C_from_RfA|elsewhere]]) makes lack of attribution essential in the charge of plagiarism. That I talk about copyvio and plagiarism side-by-side is because a. they are related (no matter whether one thing is policy and the other guideline) and b. plenty of participants in the RfA accused the candidate of plagiarism (see Durova's comments, for instance).I note, by the way, that at the RfA you actually didn't specify what the issues were, precisely: you gave two sets of two passages, and I concluded that you ''meant'' to say that they were too close, so close that they should be called copyvio. But that also is a judgment call, and while I freely admit that in my opinion ''some'' (though not all) of those passages should have been paraphrased more in the author's own words, the rhetorical power of the copyvio template, which (and I repeat myself) I believe was applied unjustly, was such that the RfA was hijacked, in my opinion. Your use of ellipsis towards the end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kelapstick&diff=293437887&oldid=293427174 your comment] is telling in that respect. And that is why I said what I said. While I don't want to make light of the problem of copyright violations, I am still not convinced that that was what we were dealing with here--and we were certainly not dealing with plagiarism. Rather than ask me if I know the difference, I'd like for you to address my charge: that all-too-close paraphrase (a matter of judgment) does not automatically add up to a copyright violation, and that your pasting COPYVIO all over this candidacy helped damn it. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:*OK, for a moment I thought you were actually being serious on my talk page, but instead it looks like you're out here to bait me with your passive aggressive attacks. It's not going to work. [[User:TwilligToves|TwilligToves]] ([[User talk:TwilligToves|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Twillig, you're not reading very carefully. I was being serious, and I'm not trying to be passive at all. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 04:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Seed swap ==

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:You put a lot of effort into saving some shack near U o Bama's campus, but nothing for [[Anarchist naturism]]? Now it's gone. So many people will be left in ignorance without coverage of this important subject. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, it's gone? (Was it ever there?) Yes, the shack is saved--did you see Alarob's comments at that AfD? I don't know what to think. Sorry about the naturism thing. Recreate it, why don't you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Bacon enthusiasts are known for breaking chairs, especially those of faulty design. Someone removed my cardboard chair pic from the [[cardboard]] article. Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== ''[[Hell Awaits]]'' you... ==

...we have heavy metal <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[WP:GENREWARRIOR|Genre Warrior]]: "you mean black metal, right?"] and hot girls! {{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 02:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, I can do with some hot girls! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{=)|devil}} [[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Loki, what's that word that's misspoken? You can't just tease the reader like that! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 14:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Most of that you reorganized, was not written by me.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha, I'm glad--I wouldn't want to mess with you. But still, what's the word? Now I'm curious. Don't make me search the blogs and stuff... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::[http://rapidshare.com/files/62280605/Slayer_-_Hell_Awaits.rar Is this?]--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 15:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You can "save" [[Commercial Metal|this article]]? Also, thanks for answer my last reply.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'll have a look--but as you may know, Blackmetalbaz is my master metallurgian. I downloaded the file, but haven't listened to it yet, since I can't unpack it where I'm at. I'll get back to you! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 19:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Haha, I don't think there's any saving that one. Good luck! Oh, I played that album in the car. Not bad, but anytime I want to hear something more or less like that I go to the [[Chaos AD|best thing]]. As for that misspelled word--I think that whole passage should be dropped from the article, since it's really a bit trivial, don't you think? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don't think. Ah, so you should listen to bands like: [[Meshuggah]], [[Ephel Duath (band)|Ephel Duath]], [[Deathspell Omega]], [[Sigh (band)|Sigh]]...; all different, but connected by their experimentalism. ([[Sepultura]] is a very experimental band) --[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 05:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::(Regarding [[Evangelion (album)#Preproduction, recording and production|''Evangelion'' (album)]]) Hi, you could take a look in this article, please.--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 20:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::I carry a very blunt axe... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:{{=)|wink2}}--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 21:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

----
You could copy-edit this [[Dream Theater discography|list]]? Ah, you saw [[Talk:Hell Awaits|that]]? And the bands above, you listened?--[[User:Cannibaloki|''C''anniba]][[User talk:Cannibaloki|loki]] 04:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

==[[Cortez Gold Mine]]==
Hi. I see that you've expressed an interest in helping clean up this article, and it would be much appreciated, particularly if you have access to [http://www.miningmagazine.com/mine-of-the-month/cortez-hills--the-latest-chapter]. I can't view it. I can confirm that there is some duplication from [http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/cortez/], as with "the first simultaneous start-up of an underground and surface mine in Nevada", but I don't know what needs to be cleaned from the other source. Lacking access to it, if I am left to address it (and can't find somebody who ''can'' access it), I'm not going to have any option but to rewrite or remove the article. Can you help? (I'll be watching your talk page. Please let me know either way, since I'll be looking around for other resources if necessary.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Check your email, girl! I hope that helps. As you can see in the history, I did some of it already, but I don't know how well or if it was to satisfaction; I may not have been in the best frame of mind. Thanks for your help, and let me know what I can do. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. :) Given the complexity of the article, I probably won't be able to address it until tomorrow (getting late in my part of the world), but your assistance is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 00:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. It's not so late here, but I'm waiting for this cute little girl sitting next to me to go to bed (that is, when ''[[Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey|Homeward Bound]]'' is over). Drop me a line; I may have some time tomorrow in between classes. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I envy you. I've got ''[[Paul Blart: Mall Cop]]''. (sigh) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Can you undelete and stub-ify the Batu Hijau article please? [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 01:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, I can't undelete a copyvio. The article was listed for a week as per process to allow contributors an opportunity to address it, but unfortunately nobody did so, and the copyright infringement was foundational, going all the way back to the first edit. There was no clean version to revert to. If you'd like to create a stub, I'd be happy to give you any non-GFDL infringing elements from the page, including categories or external links. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::the sources and info box are enough for me to rewrite it properly. Cheers. [[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 01:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::All right. I'll prop them in your userspace if you'd like. Note that I did also offer the template-blanked version back for a few days [[User_talk:Bongomatic#Your_note.2C_Drmies_page|at Bongomatic's talk page]]. I don't know if you read the template, but you are welcome to revise the article in the temporary space if you'd like, alone or in tandem. That stands for this one as well. All that matters is that problematic text be dealt with. If you have any questions about paraphrasing, I'd be happy to help you. I suspect you know quite a lot more about this subject than I do. (Sorry for parking on your talkpage, Drmies. :))--[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 01:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No that's fine--if I knew y'all were coming I'd made you coffee and baked some cakes. What is this, the first chapter of ''[[The Hobbit]]''? I did make some edits to Cortez, but then I read the template again and undid them. I looked at it one more time and now I think I know what I should have done...too complicated for me. Anyway, I'm happy--we're all on it, the article will be back in good shape, Shadow and all them found their way home (though my daughter was ''still'' crying cause he hurt his paw), my daughter is in bed, my phone-laptop-Bluetooth connection miraculously started working, and the coffee is ready. And the mall is safe from crime, I imagine. MRGirl, you're welcome here anytime. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ha! [[Kristin Hersh]]! Haven't thought about her in forever. I used to have a tape (yes, a tape) of ''Hips and Makers'', with that creepy song with Michael Stipe. (That article needs a good scrubbing.) Guess I'll have to dig that up now, and find my old Walkman. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 02:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Having the template blanked version would be good, but either way is fine with me. I see Bongo commented on his talk as to a location. It is most appreciated. Also I will take a look at the offline refs of Cortez Hills tomorrow and make sure they are not in violation. I think I have the magazine on my desk still (under a large pile of paper). We watched ''[[Bedtime Stories (film)|Bedtime Stories]]'' last night, well worth it. Rock on.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 03:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::All right. It is so userfied. I appreciate your looking into the Cortez Hills article as well. I now have access to the material, so I can help as needed, but it is not my area of expertise. Editing, on the other hand, is (not Wikipedia; I mean it in the general sense), so please don't hesitate to let me know if you've found something you can't figure out how to put into your own words. Nevermind what I do with it off-Wiki, I've been doing it on Wiki every day for almost a year. :) Linguistics [[Rubic's Cube]]. ''Bedtime Stories'' was way better than ''Mall Cop''. :D [[User:Drmies|Drmies]], is Gandalf here yet? (I love that song. And it is creepy. If you haven't heard her lately, you should check out what 15 years of heavy smoking and not taking care of her throat have done. Her voice is incredibly textured.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 10:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
←Hey Doc, [[User:Kelapstick/Cortez Gold Mine]] and [[Batu Hijau mine]] are done (following a sprinkle of [[holy water]] on Cortez), so that monstrosity is finalized. Have yourself a drink, I will talk to you tomorrow.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Dahil Sa Iyo ==

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== Smile ==

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'''Drmies''', Sky Attacker has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! ''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
</div>--[[User:Sky Attacker|''The Legendary]] [[User talk:Sky Attacker| Sky Attacker'']] 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Thanks Legend! I needed that after reading stuff at WP:ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::What did you read? Anything good? Do tell! I barely hear from you any more now that KBC2009 is over. So sad... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::That's cause I'm often on recent changes these days, and you never edit on anything but bureaucratic matters :/ I made a few comments on AfDs, and am doing cleanup on a couple of things. Well, another longtime contributor apparently left, an admin is threatened with being stripped, nothing new really. But it's always a bit sad to see WP editors yelling and getting worked up, on matters that often, from the outside looking in, seem trivial. Hey, I saw a minute of ''[[Chopped]]'' just now, and the loser seemed to have made [[chocolate covered bacon]] for his dessert. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I thought Blofield came back? Who left? I'm fighting for my Wikilife on bureaucratic matters kiddo. 1 revert per article per week? Which Admin is threatened with a stripping? Is it a cute one? I'll have to check out chopped. I'm thinking of setting up some sock accounts so I can become and Admin and get a seat on Arbcom. What do you think? Seriously though, none of this is trivial. It's all VERY important. They're trying to delete Auburn's 2010 football team before they even have a chance![http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_10#2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team] Tough times for all of us. Cheerios. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::And what happened to the Snake 'n Bake? I tried to tivo it but no luck. Is it gone forever? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 03:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Blofeld is back, but Stifle made a no-no, according to some, and Shoemaker's Holiday called it quits. And I didn't say it ''was'' trivial--I said it looked trivial from the outside. Our recent RfA adventures were FAR from trivial, but we were on the inside. And for Auburn: the biggest news there is the resignation of [[Bobby Lowder]]--and our article says nothing about the enormous amounts of gossip going around! And I don't know about Snake 'n' Bacon...I don't have that channel... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 03:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you can help determine the future of [[Animal love]] (safe for work... at least last I checked) and [[Jesse Dee]]. Stifle seems to be more reasonable than ever lately, although I don't think I see eye to eye with the kid. I'll have to look into that.

"From trivial, but we were on the inside"? What kind of yoda-speak is this? Have you been hanging out with my main man GTB? I take it you are high on life? :)
*No yoda--just forgot a word. Please note my correction of the grievous error, sir. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is 2010 this coming season or the following season? Anyway, "your" Lakers <s>are</s> were looking good <s>so far</s>. Not really a match-up that I find particularly interesting. Keep it real. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
*I assume you're being sympathetic. The commentators also tried to see the Lakers glass as half-full. My problem is that game 4 is played Sunday evening, and we're going camping in [[DeSoto State Park]], and I don't know if we'll be back home on time. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm VERY sympathetic. I hadn't realized they were playing last night, so I was commenting on the first two games until I found out they had lost. As success follows me everywhere, it won't be surprising when LA wins the championship. As for my Jets??? well... They're not much without me and Keyshawn now are they.[[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 21:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Another 3RR issue over at death metal==
One particular editor keeps reinserting the text regarding "brutal death metal" despite its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brutal death metal|deletion]]. They are clearly in breach of 3RR at this stage. Care to take a look? [[User:Blackmetalbaz|Blackmetalbaz]] ([[User talk:Blackmetalbaz|talk]]) 11:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw it yesterday. Did you report them? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just saw a picture on Facebook of an old friend of mine playing [[piano]] for [[Jan Peter Balkenende]], he (the PM) had on a weird tie.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I left before he was out of diapers. I'd never even heard of him, and I hope you won't mind if I don't put a picture of him up here! But...your friend plays piano for heads of state? That's not a bad gig! Was he tired of mining? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Never was in mining, always a [[Piano Man (song)|Piano Man]]. Actually I knew him long before I considered digging in the dirt. He's going to school in the Netherlands, music something, not sure how he got that gig put I would agree it is a pretty good one.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== first vs second treaty ==

Good error catch on the treaty with Mexico. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yours is infinitely more reliable. Like Wikipedia itself those less reputable websites are ok for giving you ideas, but its always best to get a second and more reliable source for web based facts. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/297926692.html?dids=297926692:297926692&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Apr+09%2C+1918&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=CARRANZA+GREETS+KING+OF+BELGIUM&pqatl=google King and Queen of Belgium visited Mexico in 1918] but I am about to go to bed, can you peek if you are still awake and see if you can find a better reference? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 06:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
*I found [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z3gLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5623,4213429&dq=carranza+king+of+belgium this]--I don't have access to old editions of the Monitor. As far as I can tell it wasn't a visit, just a telegram. Still, it was a telegram important enough to be reported on in ''[[The Evening Independent]]''--somewhat strange, really. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Cubs197|reply}}
I replied to you on my talk page.--[[User:Cubs197|Cubs197]] ([[User talk:Cubs197|talk]]) 05:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Red Deer ==

Curious, what pages are affected? I've found [[Red Deer, Alberta]], [[Red Deer]] the animal, and [[Red Deer (disambiguation)]], plus redirects to those pages. You're correct that I have tools that you don't: I can fix the move from Red deer (animal) to Red Deer. That's the only change that I can see that you can't fix; are there any others? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Is everything fixed, as far as you can see? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 14:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think so--thanks a lot for your help. I was afraid I had done more harm than good. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 15:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

=="Intentional wrongdoers"==
You freaking cheaters! Isn't this de ja vus all over again? How is it that you don't win more with all these violations? Tsk tsk tsk. I hope this foul play doesn't reflect poorly on the devoted student athletes and high standards maintained by Auburn and other SEC schools. Should Bama be demoted to Div 2 for a while until they can get things in order? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Eeeeehhhhh...what are you talking about? Do I need to listen to talk radio more? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Hmm. OK. Well, at least it wasn't ALL the sports, just "softball, baseball, women's gymnastics, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, men's golf, women's golf, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's tennis, women's tennis, men's track and field, women's track and field, women's soccer and women's volleyball."<ref name="NCAA">{{cite news
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| work = [[Montgomery Advertiser]]
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| url = http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090611/NLETTER02/90611036
| accessdate = 2009-06-11}}</ref> Flag football and rugby seem to be squeaky clean, so that's a relief, and as "1solidrock" wrote on the ''[[Montgomery Advertiser]]'''s website, "Must be some Auburn, LSU, Tennessee influence somewhere on this supposed impartial panel."<ref name="NCAA"/> [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 20:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute. I just looked at the source you provided. This whole hoo hah is about free textbooks? Seriously? Ahahahahaha. USC players are getting nice cars and houses for their folks and you guys get busted for giving away textbooks to your athletes. Too funny. All is fair in love and war my friend. Go Tigers!!! :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===References===
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== a general thank you... ==

...to users Kelapstick, MuZemike, and Alansohn for keeping it clean. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 01:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Keeping what clean? This sounds dirty... What have you guys been up to? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Why wasn't Bynum in the game? Is Kobe allowed to elbow people in the face? He must have Admin status... [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it was an exciting game. Howard should have made his free throws and the game would have been over in regulation. Cheerios. Congrats. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I even saw some of it. And Bynum was in the game, and yes, Kobe can do anything he likes! I was glad that Fisher had a couple of nice shots. (Clean: check the history of my user page, haha.) You doing alright? Plans for the weekend? Working on some bilateral relations perhaps? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 05:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
About floating is also a box? [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
*This edit
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spekkoek&curid=8101897&diff=296445064&oldid=252769602] needs a check and some clean up ([[speculaas]] can be wikilinked too). One of your compatriots at work, I presume? I was doing some Google News checking on various old article subjects I've worked on and I see [[Kees Christiaanse]] is still in the news. Apparently he's involved in this and that, keeping the colonial legacy going in Indonesia and what have you. How do you find [[This Earth of Mankind]] so far? Be good. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 01:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw this comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALugnuts&diff=296578104&oldid=296483724] and I thought you might like to help with the effort. If you guys stick to the notable ones it should only take a day or two at the most. I don't think there are more than 2 or 3. :) [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 20:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Warning templates ==

Not a dumb question at all. :) The reason it is confusing if because that template isn't meant to be used directly. Instead use:

<nowiki>{{</nowiki>subst:spam-warn|''page''|header=1<nowiki>}} ~~~~</nowiki>

where ''page'' is the page you placed the speedy tag on.

For convenience, the speedy template should have a ready made version that you can copy and paste near the bottom of it (after it has been added to an article).

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even better, Doctor, try using Twinkle and Friendly, which can now be installed though your gadgets settings at your preferences. [[User Talk:Bongomatic|Bongo]][[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|matic]] 18:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Floodplain (album)]] ==

Hi! Do you have the album? If so, could you please look what is written in the notes about Ram Narayan's involvement, if any, and tell me? That would be very kind. Thank you. [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 17:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. I don't have the album here so I'll have to get back to you. The [http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/floodplain Nonesuch website] has a little bit of information, but not what you're looking for, I think. There's a short paragraph for each song, and I'll see what it says. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! Please feel free to send me an email (link on my userpage). [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 00:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::You know, having the recording they took their version from, I'm sad no review commented on comparisons between the original versions and the covers. I've only found the four reviews though, do you know of any I didn't put in the infobox? [[User:Hekerui|Hekerui]] ([[User talk:Hekerui|talk]]) 11:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Stanley R. Jaffe]] ==

I gave Sam a bit of expansion and sourcing. There is lots more out there. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]'' 00:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== [[Jason L. McCoy]] ==
I saw in the edit history that you were considering speedy for this page, but since no one has done that and the page has been up for a bit, I PRODded it; just letting you know. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks. I did consider it, but the guy is a mayor and I don't know if that makes him automatically notable. If you look through the various versions, though, you'll see quickly why I considered it. Thanks, Spaceman; I'll add the page to my watchlist. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I think being a mayor of a town of 25k people will probably get a pass from CSD, but he still doesn't qualify per either [[WP:Politician]] or [[WP:N]] from what I've been able to find, so I decided to PROD. -[[User:Spaceman7Spiff|SpacemanSpiff]] ([[User talk:Spaceman7Spiff|talk]]) 17:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Yes sorry about that. You were too fast for me :-) --[[User:Jmh649|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*No problem at all. I should have realized, actually, that your name looked familiar to me and that I'd seen your edits (or maybe vandalism reverts) on a medical article a couple of months ago. Happy editing, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pick your hook.... ==

====Stanley R. Jaffe====

{{*mp}}... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' after resigning as president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1971 to found his own producton company, returned 20 years later in 1991 to be president of [[Paramount Communications]] and then replaced [[Brandon Tartikoff]] in 1992 as president of [[Paramount Pictures]] ?

:*'''ALT1''':... that after producing ''[[Goodbye, Columbus (film)|Goodby Columbus]]'', '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was appointed president of [[Paramount Television]] in 1970, only to resign in 1971 to form his own production company ?
:*'''ALT2''':... that '''[[Stanley R. Jaffe]]''' was president of several different [[Paramount Pictures]] divisions, yet never held any one postion with them for more than 2 years ?
:*''Comment'': article a collaborative effort inspired by [[User:Drmies]]
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Elmer Fudd

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| name = Elmer Fudd
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| first appearance = ''[[Elmer's Candid Camera]]'' (1940)
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| created by = evolution from [[Tex Avery]]'s Egghead, [[Chuck Jones]]
| voiced by = [[Arthur Q. Bryan]] (1940-1959) [[Hal Smith (actor)|Hal Smith]] (1960–1961) [[Mel Blanc]] (1972–1989) [[Jeff Bergman]] (1990–1993) [[Greg Burson]] ([[Tiny Toon Adventures|Tiny Toons]]) [[Billy West]] (1996-present)
| known aliases = Egghead
| known pets = Unnamed Dog in [[An Itch in Time]].
| known friends = [[Elmyra Duff]] (student)
| known rivals = [[Bugs Bunny]], [[Daffy Duck]]
| catchphrase = "Shhhhhhhh, be vewy vewy quiet; I'm hunting wabbits."
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'''Elmer J. Fudd''' is a fictional [[cartoon]] character and one of the most famous ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' characters. He has one of the more disputed origins in the [[Warner Bros.]] cartoon pantheon (second only to [[Bugs Bunny]] himself).<ref name="fuddtonopedia"/> His aim is to shoot Bugs, but he usually ends up seriously injuring himself and other antagonizing characters. He has a [[speech sound disorder]] that makes his tongue slur.<ref name="fuddtonopedia">[http://www.toonopedia.com/elmer.htm Elmer Fudd]</ref> This usually results in him replacing his Rs with Ws, so "Watch the road, Rabbit," is replaced with "Watch the woad, wabbit!" Elmer's signature catchphrase is, "Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wabbits", as well as his trademark laughter, "hehehehehehe".

==Egghead==
In 1937, [[Tex Avery]] introduced a new character in his cartoon short ''[[Egghead Rides Again]]''. Elmer's friendly ancestor Egghead has a bulbous nose, funny/eccentric clothing, a voice like [[Joe Penner]], and an egg-shaped head (thus the moniker "Egghead"). Many [[cartoon]] historians believe that Egghead evolved into Elmer over a period of a couple of years.<ref name="fuddtonopedia"/> Egghead made his second appearance in 1937's ''[[Little Red Walking Hood]]'' and then in 1938 teamed with [[Warner Bros.]]' newest cartoon star [[Daffy Duck]] in ''[[Daffy Duck and Egghead]]''.<ref name="fuddtonopedia"/> Egghead continued to appear in a string of cartoons in 1938: ''[[The Isle of Pingo Pongo]]'', ''[[Cinderella Meets Fella]]'', and ''[[A-Lad-In Bagdad]]''.<ref name="fuddtonopedia"/> In ''[[A Feud There Was]]'' (1938) Egghead made his entrance riding a motorscooter with the words "Elmer Fudd, Peacemaker" displayed on the side, the beginning of that name. Egghead alternates from having a [[Moe Howard]] haircut to being bald and wearing a brown derby, a baggy suit, and a high-collared shirt. His voice, laugh, and mannerisms are very much like those of [[Joe Penner]]. Egghead is thought to be the prototype of Elmer Fudd. Egghead himself
returned decades later in the [[Compilation movie|compilation film]] ''[[Daffy Duck]]'s [[Quackbusters]]''. More recently, he also made a cameo appearance at the end of ''Looney Tunes: Back in Action'' and was also given in his own story, which starred him alongside [[Pete Puma]], in the ''Looney Tunes'' comic book.

Egghead has the distinction of being the very first recurring character created for [[Leon Schlesinger]]'s [[Merrie Melodies]] series (to be followed by such characters as [[Sniffles]], [[Inki]], and even Bugs Bunny), which had previously contained only one-shot characters, although during the [[Harman-Ising]] era, [[Foxy (cartoon character)|Foxy]], [[Goopy Geer]], and [[Piggy (Merrie Melodies)|Piggy]] each appeared in a few Merrie Melodies.

In the 1939 cartoon ''[[Dangerous Dan McFoo]]'', a new voice actor [[Arthur Q. Bryan]] was hired to provide the voice of the hero dog-character and it was in this cartoon that the popular "milk-sop" voice of Elmer Fudd was created. Elmer Fudd has long since remained the antagonistic force in many of the Bugs Bunny cartoons.

==Elmer emerges==
[[Image:ElmersCamera.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Elmer Fudd is annoyed by the [[Bugs_Bunny#The_unnamed.2C_prototype_Warner_Bros._rabbit|prototype Bugs]] in ''[[Elmer's Candid Camera]]''.]]
In 1940, Egghead/Elmer's appearance was refined giving him a chin and a less bulbous nose (although still wearing Egghead's clothing) and [[Arthur Quirk Bryan|Arthur Q. Bryan's]] "[[Dangerous Dan McFoo|Dan McFoo]]" voice in what most people consider Elmer Fudd's first true appearance: a [[Chuck Jones]] short entitled ''[[Elmer's Candid Camera]]''. The [[Bugs' Bunny|Bugs Bunny prototype]] drives Elmer insane. Later that year, he appeared in [[Friz Freleng]]'s ''[[Confederate Honey]]'' (where he's called Ned Cutler), ''[[The Hardship of Miles Standish]]'' and Jones' ''[[Good Night Elmer]]'' where his voice and Egghead-like appearance were still the same. Jones would use '''this''' Elmer one more time, in 1941's ''[[Elmer's Pet Rabbit]]''. The other title character here is labelled as Bugs Bunny, but is also identical to his counterpart in ''Camera''. In the interim, the two starred in ''[[A Wild Hare]]''. Bugs appears with a carrot, [[New York dialect|New York accent]], and "What's Up, Doc?" catchphrase all in place for the first time, although the voice and physique are as yet somewhat off. Elmer has a better voice, a trimmer figure and his familiar hunting clothes. He is much more recognizable as the Elmer Fudd of later cartoons than Bugs is here. It is interesting to note that in his first appearances, Elmer actually "wikes wabbits", either attempting to take photos of Bugs, or adopting Bugs as his pet. The rascally rabbit has the poor Fudd so perplexed that there is little wonder as to why Elmer would become a hunter and in some cases actually proclaim, "I hate wittle gway wabbits!" after pumping buckshot down a rabbit hole...

Elmer's role in these two films, that of would-be hunter, dupe and foil for Bugs, would remain his main role forever after, and although Bugs Bunny was called upon to outwit many more worthy opponents, Elmer somehow remained Bugs' classic nemesis, despite (or because of) his legendary gullibility, small size, short temper, and shorter attention span. Somehow knowing not only that Elmer would lose, but knowing ''how'' he would lose, made the confrontation, counterintuitively, ''more'' delicious. Despite being the antagonist, Elmer lacked the malice of a true villain.

Elmer was usually cast as a hapless [[big-game hunter]], armed with a [[double-barreled shotgun]] and creeping through the woods "hunting wabbits." In a few cartoons, though, he assumed a completely different persona — a wealthy [[industrialist]] type, occupying a luxurious [[penthouse apartment|penthouse]], or, in one episode involving a [[role reversal]], a [[sanitarium]] — which Bugs would of course somehow find his way into.

Several episodes featured Elmer differently. One (''[[What's Up, Doc?]]'', 1950) has Bugs Bunny relating his life story to a biographer, and recalling a time which was a downturn for the movie business. Elmer Fudd is a well-known entertainer who, looking for a new partner for his act, sees Bugs Bunny (after passing caricatures of many other famous 1940s actors who, like Bugs, are also out of work). Elmer and Bugs do a one-joke act cross-country, with Bugs dressed like a pinhead, and when he does not know the answer to a joke, Elmer gives it and hits him with a pie in the face. Bugs begins to tire of this gag and pulls a surprise on Fudd, answering the joke correctly and bopping Elmer with a [[mallet]], which prompts the man to point his rifle at Bugs. The bunny asks nervously: "Eh, what's up doc?", which results in a huge round of applause from the audience. Bugs tells Elmer they may be on to something. According to '''this''' account, the common Elmer-as-hunter episodes are entirely staged.

One episode where Bugs "lost" in the hunting was ''[[Hare Brush]]'' (1956). Here, Elmer has been committed to an insane asylum because he believes he is a [[rabbit]]. Bugs Bunny enters Fudd's room and Elmer bribes him with [[carrot]]s, then leaves the way the real rabbit entered. Bugs acts surprisingly (for him) naïve, assuming Elmer just wanted to go outside for a while. Elmer's psychiatrist arrives, and thinking Fudd's delusion has affected his appearance, drugs Bugs and conditions him into believing that '''he''' is Elmer Fudd ("I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a [[mansion]] and a [[yacht]]") after which Bugs starts wearing hunting clothes and acting like Elmer, hunting the rabbit-costumed Fudd, who is in turn acting like Bugs. Their hunt is cut short when Bugs is arrested, as Elmer Fudd is wanted for [[tax evasion]]. After Bugs is hauled away, Fudd breaks the [[fourth wall]] and tells the audience, "I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to [[Alcatraz Island|Alcatwaz]]."

Elmer Fudd has occasionally appeared in other costumes, notably as Cupid. He tries to convince Bugs about love, but Bugs is reluctant, thinking to himself "Don't you look like some guy who's always after me?" and pictures the Elmer in hunter's clothes. The Cupid Elmer plots to get even with Bugs, using his love arrows to make Bugs fall in love with an artificial rabbit at a [[greyhound racing|dog track]]. Elmer also appeared in this form opposite [[Daffy Duck]] in ''[[The Stupid Cupid]]'' (1944).

The Bugs/Elmer partnership was so familiar to audiences that in a late 1950s cartoon, [[Bugs' Bonnets]], a character study is made of what happens to the relationship between the two when they each accidentally don a different selection of hats (Native American Wig, Pilgrim Hat, Military Helmets, Bridal Veil and Top Hat, to name a few). The result is comic mayhem; a steady game of one-upmanship that ultimately leads to matrimony!

==Fat Elmer==
For a short time in the 1941–1942 season, Elmer's appearance was modified again, for five cartoons: ''[[Wabbit Twouble]]''; ''[[The Wacky Wabbit]]''; ''[[The Wabbit Who Came to Supper]]''; ''[[Any Bonds Today?]]''; and ''[[Fresh Hare]]''. He became a heavy-set, beer-bellied character, patterned after Arthur Q. Bryan's real-life appearance, and still chasing Bugs (or vice versa). However, audiences did not accept a fat Fudd, so ultimately the slimmer version (which was only fat in the ''head'', literally and figuratively) returned for good.

This time period also saw a temporary change in Elmer's relationship with Bugs Bunny. Instead of being the hunter, Elmer was the victim of unprovoked pestering by Bugs. In ''[[Wabbit Twouble]]'', Bugs plays a number of gags on Elmer, advising the audience, "I do dis kind o' stuff to him all t'wough da picture!" (A line somewhat ironically would later be said by the Tortoise as he and his friends cheat Bugs out of winning a race). Another episode, ''[[The Wacky Wabbit]]'', finds Elmer focused on prospecting for [[gold]] which would be used to fund the [[World War II]] effort. Elmer sings "V for Victory" to the tune of "[[Oh! Susanna]]", with Bugs joining in just before starting to hassle Elmer.

==Elmer's peak==
The best known Elmer Fudd cartoons include [[Chuck Jones]]' masterpiece ''[[What's Opera, Doc?]]'' (one of the few times Fudd bested Bugs, though he felt bad about it), the [[Gioacchino Rossini|Rossini]] parody ''[[Rabbit of Seville]]'', and the "Hunting Trilogy" of "Rabbit Season/Duck Season" shorts (''[[Rabbit Fire]]'', ''[[Rabbit Seasoning]]'', and ''[[Duck, Rabbit, Duck!]]'') with Fudd himself, [[Bugs Bunny]], and [[Daffy Duck]].

He ''nearly'' always [[Rhotacism|misplaced the letters ''R'' and ''L'' with ''W'']] (a trait that also characterized [[Tweety Bird]]) when he would talk in his slightly raspy voice. This trait was prevalent in the [[Elmer's Candid Camera]] and [[Elmer's Pet Rabbit]] cartoons, where the writers would give him exaggerated lines such as, "My, that weawwy was a dewicious weg of wamb." to further exaggerate his qualities as a harmless nebbish. That characteristic seemed to fit his somewhat timid and childlike persona. And it worked. The writers often gave him lines filled with those letters, such as doing [[Shakespeare]]'s Romeo as "What wight thwough yonduh window bweaks!" or [[Richard Wagner|Wagner]]'s ''[[Ride of the Valkyries]]'' as "Kiww the wabbit, kiww the wabbit, kiww the wabbit...!" or "The Beautifuw Bwue Danube, by Johann Stwauss", or the name of actress "[[Olivia deHavilland|Owivia deHaviwwand]]".

Part of the joke is that Elmer is presumably incapable of pronouncing his own first name correctly. Occasionally Elmer would properly pronounce an ''r'' or ''l'' sound, depending on whether or not it was vital for the audience to understand what the word was. (For example, in 1944's ''[[The Old Grey Hare]]'', he clearly pronounces the ''r'' in the word "picture".)

==Later appearances==
Elmer Fudd made appearances in several television specials in the 1970s and 1980s, and some cameo roles in two of the ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' feature-film compilations.

In the [[1988]] movie ''[[Who Framed Roger Rabbit]]'', Elmer Fudd makes a cameo in a brief head-shot during the final scene.

Elmer would also appear frequently on the animated series ''[[Tiny Toon Adventures]]'' as a teacher at Acme Looniversity, where he was the idol and favorite teacher of [[Elmyra Duff]], the slightly deranged animal lover who resembles Elmer both in basic head design and lack of intellect.

Elmer also had a guest starring appearance on ''[[Histeria!]]'' in the episode "The Teddy Roosevelt Show", in a sketch where he portrayed [[Gutzon Borglum]]. This sketch depicts Elmer/Gutzon's construction of [[Mount Rushmore]], accompanied by Borglum's son Lincoln, portrayed by [[Loud Kiddington]]. Elmer made another appearance on ''Histeria!'', this time in his traditional role, during a sketch where the [[Bald Eagle]] trades places with the [[Turkey]] during [[Thanksgiving]] weekend, featured in the episode "Americana".

Fudd also appeared on ''[[The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries]]'' in the first season episode ''A Ticket to Crime'' as detective Sam Fudd; at the end he took off his clothes and turned into Elmer.

Elmer appears as part of the TuneSquad team in ''[[Space Jam]]''.

Elmer took on a more villainous role in ''[[Looney Tunes: Back in Action]]'', in which he is a secret agent for the [[Acme Corporation]]. In his scene, Elmer chases Bugs and Daffy through the paintings in the [[Louvre]] museum, taking on the different art styles as they do so. At the end, Elmer forgets to change back to his normal style after jumping out of the [[pointillism]] painting ''[[Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte]]'' by [[Georges Seurat]], allowing Bugs to easily disintegrate Elmer by blowing a fan at him.

An even more villainous Elmer appeared in two episodes of ''[[Duck Dodgers (TV series)|Duck Dodgers]]'' as '''The Mother Fudd''', an alien who would spread a disease that caused all affected by it to stand around laughing like Elmer (a parody of the [[Flood (Halo)|Flood]] in ''[[Halo (series)|Halo]]'' and the [[Borg (Star Trek)|Borg]] in ''[[Star Trek]]'').

In ''[[Loonatics Unleashed]]'', his descendant, '''Electro J. Fudd''', tried to prove himself the universe's greatest hunter by capturing Ace Bunny, but settled for Danger Duck instead.

Elmer himself also makes an appearance in the form of a photo which shows he presumably died at the hands of a giant [[squirrel]].{{Fact|date=May 2008}}

==The voice of Elmer Fudd==
[[Image:ArthurQBryan.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The original voice of Elmer Fudd, Arthur Q. Bryan.]]
Fudd was originally voiced by [[Voice acting|radio actor]] [[Arthur Q. Bryan]], but twice in Bryan's lifetime the voice was provided by the versatile [[Mel Blanc]]. Once, in ''[[The Scarlet Pumpernickel]]'' (1950), only a single line was needed, and bringing in Bryan was not cost effective. Later, during the musician's union strike of 1958, Blanc did the voice for Elmer's co-starring appearance in ''[[Pre-Hysterical Hare]]''. There is no documented reason for Bryan's absence, leaving some fans to speculate that he refused to cross the picket lines. In 1959, Bryan died aged 60, and [[Hal Smith]] was selected to replace him as Elmer, but after just two cartoons were recorded by the new actor, and another was made in which Fudd has no lines and therefore no voice, the character was soon retired. Although in more recent years other voice actors have alternated as Elmer's voice, Bryan's characterization remains the definitive one. He was never credited onscreen, because Blanc had a clause in his contract that required him to receive a screen credit and, perhaps inadvertently, denied the same to other voice performers. Blanc would take on the role regularly in the 1970s and 1980s, supplying Elmer's voice for new footage in compilation feature films and similar TV specials, as well as some all-new specials. He admitted in his autobiography that he found the voice difficult to get "right", never quite making it his own. In ''Speechless'', the famous [[lithograph]] issued following Blanc's death, Elmer is not shown among the characters bowing their heads in tribute to Blanc. Elmer has also been voiced by [[Daws Butler]], [[Greg Burson]], [[Jeff Bergman]], [[Billy West (voice actor)|Billy West]], [[Tom Kenny]], [[Quinton Flynn]], and others over the years.

===Other voice actors===
Beside [[Arthur Q. Bryan]], other actors have voiced Elmer:
*[[Mel Blanc]] (1950, 1958, 1972-1980)
*[[Hal Smith]] (1960–1961)
*[[Jeff Bergman]] (1989–1993)
*[[Greg Burson]] ( 1990-1995, ''[[Tiny Toon Adventures]]'', alternate to Bergman)
*[[Billy West]] (1996-present)
*[[Quinton Flynn]] (''[[Robot Chicken]]'')
*[[Noel Blanc]] (''[[Family Guy]]'')
*[[Chris Edgerly]] (''[[Drawn Together]]'')

== Impact on popular culture ==

The [[search engine]] [[Google]] has been translated into many languages, some of them for sheer comedic purposes. One of the novelty languages is "Elmer Fudd."<ref name="Google">{{cite web|url=http://www.google.com/intl/xx-elmer/|title=Ewmew Fudd|publisher=Google|accessdate=Jun. 21, 2009}}</ref>

== See also ==
* [[List of Cartoons featuring Elmer Fudd]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*{{imdb character|id=0029092|character=Elmer Fudd}}
*[http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=431 Parody Song 'Kill the Wabbit'] by Ozzy Fudd (Mark McCollum)

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| name = Elmer Fudd
| image = [[Image:Elmer Fudd.png]]
| image caption =
| first appearance = ''[[Elmer's Candid Camera]]'' (1940)
| last appearance =
| created by = evolution from [[Tex Avery]]'s Egghead, [[Chuck Jones]]
| voiced by = [[Arthur Q. Bryan]] (1940-1959) [[Hal Smith (actor)|Hal Smith]] (1960–1961) [[Mel Blanc]] (1972–1989) [[Jeff Bergman]] (1990–1993) [[Greg Burson]] ([[Tiny Toon Adventures|Tiny Toons]]) [[Billy West]] (1996-present)
| known aliases = Egghead
| known pets = Unnamed Dog in [[An Itch in Time]].
| known friends = [[Elmyra Duff]] (student)
| known rivals = [[Bugs Bunny]], [[Daffy Duck]]
| catchphrase = "Shhhhhhhh, be vewy vewy quiet; I'm hunting wabbits."
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'''Elmer J. Fudd''' is a fictional [[cartoon]] character and one of the most famous ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' characters. He has one of the more disputed origins in the [[Warner Bros.]] cartoon pantheon (second only to [[Bugs Bunny]] himself).<ref name="fuddtonopedia"/> His aim is to shoot Bugs, but he usually ends up seriously injuring himself and other antagonizing characters. He has a [[speech sound disorder]] that makes his tongue slur.<ref name="fuddtonopedia">[http://www.toonopedia.com/elmer.htm Elmer Fudd]</ref> This usually results in him replacing his Rs with Ws, so "Watch the road, Rabbit," is replaced with "Watch the woad, wabbit!" Elmer's signature catchphrase is, "Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wabbits", as well as his trademark laughter, "hehehehehehe".

==Egghead==
In 1937, [[Tex Avery]] introduced a new character in his cartoon short ''[[Egghead Rides Again]]''. Elmer's friendly ancestor Egghead has a bulbous nose, funny/eccentric clothing, a voice like [[Joe Penner]], and an egg-shaped head (thus the moniker "Egghead"). Many [[cartoon]] historians believe that Egghead evolved into Elmer over a period of a couple of years.<ref name="fuddtonopedia"/> Egghead made his second appearance in 1937's ''[[Little Red Walking Hood]]'' and then in 1938 teamed with [[Warner Bros.]]' newest cartoon star [[Daffy Duck]] in ''[[Daffy Duck and Egghead]]''.<ref name="fuddtonopedia"/> Egghead continued to appear in a string of cartoons in 1938: ''[[The Isle of Pingo Pongo]]'', ''[[Cinderella Meets Fella]]'', and ''[[A-Lad-In Bagdad]]''.<ref name="fuddtonopedia"/> In ''[[A Feud There Was]]'' (1938) Egghead made his entrance riding a motorscooter with the words "Elmer Fudd, Peacemaker" displayed on the side, the beginning of that name. Egghead alternates from having a [[Moe Howard]] haircut to being bald and wearing a brown derby, a baggy suit, and a high-collared shirt. His voice, laugh, and mannerisms are very much like those of [[Joe Penner]]. Egghead is thought to be the prototype of Elmer Fudd. Egghead himself
returned decades later in the [[Compilation movie|compilation film]] ''[[Daffy Duck]]'s [[Quackbusters]]''. More recently, he also made a cameo appearance at the end of ''Looney Tunes: Back in Action'' and was also given in his own story, which starred him alongside [[Pete Puma]], in the ''Looney Tunes'' comic book.

Egghead has the distinction of being the very first recurring character created for [[Leon Schlesinger]]'s [[Merrie Melodies]] series (to be followed by such characters as [[Sniffles]], [[Inki]], and even Bugs Bunny), which had previously contained only one-shot characters, although during the [[Harman-Ising]] era, [[Foxy (cartoon character)|Foxy]], [[Goopy Geer]], and [[Piggy (Merrie Melodies)|Piggy]] each appeared in a few Merrie Melodies.

In the 1939 cartoon ''[[Dangerous Dan McFoo]]'', a new voice actor [[Arthur Q. Bryan]] was hired to provide the voice of the hero dog-character and it was in this cartoon that the popular "milk-sop" voice of Elmer Fudd was created. Elmer Fudd has long since remained the antagonistic force in many of the Bugs Bunny cartoons.

==Elmer emerges==
[[Image:ElmersCamera.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Elmer Fudd is annoyed by the [[Bugs_Bunny#The_unnamed.2C_prototype_Warner_Bros._rabbit|prototype Bugs]] in ''[[Elmer's Candid Camera]]''.]]
In 1940, Egghead/Elmer's appearance was refined giving him a chin and a less bulbous nose (although still wearing Egghead's clothing) and [[Arthur Quirk Bryan|Arthur Q. Bryan's]] "[[Dangerous Dan McFoo|Dan McFoo]]" voice in what most people consider Elmer Fudd's first true appearance: a [[Chuck Jones]] short entitled ''[[Elmer's Candid Camera]]''. The [[Bugs' Bunny|Bugs Bunny prototype]] drives Elmer insane. Later that year, he appeared in [[Friz Freleng]]'s ''[[Confederate Honey]]'' (where he's called Ned Cutler), ''[[The Hardship of Miles Standish]]'' and Jones' ''[[Good Night Elmer]]'' where his voice and Egghead-like appearance were still the same. Jones would use '''this''' Elmer one more time, in 1941's ''[[Elmer's Pet Rabbit]]''. The other title character here is labelled as Bugs Bunny, but is also identical to his counterpart in ''Camera''. In the interim, the two starred in ''[[A Wild Hare]]''. Bugs appears with a carrot, [[New York dialect|New York accent]], and "What's Up, Doc?" catchphrase all in place for the first time, although the voice and physique are as yet somewhat off. Elmer has a better voice, a trimmer figure and his familiar hunting clothes. He is much more recognizable as the Elmer Fudd of later cartoons than Bugs is here. It is interesting to note that in his first appearances, Elmer actually "wikes wabbits", either attempting to take photos of Bugs, or adopting Bugs as his pet. The rascally rabbit has the poor Fudd so perplexed that there is little wonder as to why Elmer would become a hunter and in some cases actually proclaim, "I hate wittle gway wabbits!" after pumping buckshot down a rabbit hole...

Elmer's role in these two films, that of would-be hunter, dupe and foil for Bugs, would remain his main role forever after, and although Bugs Bunny was called upon to outwit many more worthy opponents, Elmer somehow remained Bugs' classic nemesis, despite (or because of) his legendary gullibility, small size, short temper, and shorter attention span. Somehow knowing not only that Elmer would lose, but knowing ''how'' he would lose, made the confrontation, counterintuitively, ''more'' delicious. Despite being the antagonist, Elmer lacked the malice of a true villain.

Elmer was usually cast as a hapless [[big-game hunter]], armed with a [[double-barreled shotgun]] and creeping through the woods "hunting wabbits." In a few cartoons, though, he assumed a completely different persona — a wealthy [[industrialist]] type, occupying a luxurious [[penthouse apartment|penthouse]], or, in one episode involving a [[role reversal]], a [[sanitarium]] — which Bugs would of course somehow find his way into.

Several episodes featured Elmer differently. One (''[[What's Up, Doc?]]'', 1950) has Bugs Bunny relating his life story to a biographer, and recalling a time which was a downturn for the movie business. Elmer Fudd is a well-known entertainer who, looking for a new partner for his act, sees Bugs Bunny (after passing caricatures of many other famous 1940s actors who, like Bugs, are also out of work). Elmer and Bugs do a one-joke act cross-country, with Bugs dressed like a pinhead, and when he does not know the answer to a joke, Elmer gives it and hits him with a pie in the face. Bugs begins to tire of this gag and pulls a surprise on Fudd, answering the joke correctly and bopping Elmer with a [[mallet]], which prompts the man to point his rifle at Bugs. The bunny asks nervously: "Eh, what's up doc?", which results in a huge round of applause from the audience. Bugs tells Elmer they may be on to something. According to '''this''' account, the common Elmer-as-hunter episodes are entirely staged.

One episode where Bugs "lost" in the hunting was ''[[Hare Brush]]'' (1956). Here, Elmer has been committed to an insane asylum because he believes he is a [[rabbit]]. Bugs Bunny enters Fudd's room and Elmer bribes him with [[carrot]]s, then leaves the way the real rabbit entered. Bugs acts surprisingly (for him) naïve, assuming Elmer just wanted to go outside for a while. Elmer's psychiatrist arrives, and thinking Fudd's delusion has affected his appearance, drugs Bugs and conditions him into believing that '''he''' is Elmer Fudd ("I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a [[mansion]] and a [[yacht]]") after which Bugs starts wearing hunting clothes and acting like Elmer, hunting the rabbit-costumed Fudd, who is in turn acting like Bugs. Their hunt is cut short when Bugs is arrested, as Elmer Fudd is wanted for [[tax evasion]]. After Bugs is hauled away, Fudd breaks the [[fourth wall]] and tells the audience, "I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to [[Alcatraz Island|Alcatwaz]]."

Elmer Fudd has occasionally appeared in other costumes, notably as Cupid. He tries to convince Bugs about love, but Bugs is reluctant, thinking to himself "Don't you look like some guy who's always after me?" and pictures the Elmer in hunter's clothes. The Cupid Elmer plots to get even with Bugs, using his love arrows to make Bugs fall in love with an artificial rabbit at a [[greyhound racing|dog track]]. Elmer also appeared in this form opposite [[Daffy Duck]] in ''[[The Stupid Cupid]]'' (1944).

The Bugs/Elmer partnership was so familiar to audiences that in a late 1950s cartoon, [[Bugs' Bonnets]], a character study is made of what happens to the relationship between the two when they each accidentally don a different selection of hats (Native American Wig, Pilgrim Hat, Military Helmets, Bridal Veil and Top Hat, to name a few). The result is comic mayhem; a steady game of one-upmanship that ultimately leads to matrimony!

==Fat Elmer==
For a short time in the 1941–1942 season, Elmer's appearance was modified again, for five cartoons: ''[[Wabbit Twouble]]''; ''[[The Wacky Wabbit]]''; ''[[The Wabbit Who Came to Supper]]''; ''[[Any Bonds Today?]]''; and ''[[Fresh Hare]]''. He became a heavy-set, beer-bellied character, patterned after Arthur Q. Bryan's real-life appearance, and still chasing Bugs (or vice versa). However, audiences did not accept a fat Fudd, so ultimately the slimmer version (which was only fat in the ''head'', literally and figuratively) returned for good.

This time period also saw a temporary change in Elmer's relationship with Bugs Bunny. Instead of being the hunter, Elmer was the victim of unprovoked pestering by Bugs. In ''[[Wabbit Twouble]]'', Bugs plays a number of gags on Elmer, advising the audience, "I do dis kind o' stuff to him all t'wough da picture!" (A line somewhat ironically would later be said by the Tortoise as he and his friends cheat Bugs out of winning a race). Another episode, ''[[The Wacky Wabbit]]'', finds Elmer focused on prospecting for [[gold]] which would be used to fund the [[World War II]] effort. Elmer sings "V for Victory" to the tune of "[[Oh! Susanna]]", with Bugs joining in just before starting to hassle Elmer.

==Elmer's peak==
The best known Elmer Fudd cartoons include [[Chuck Jones]]' masterpiece ''[[What's Opera, Doc?]]'' (one of the few times Fudd bested Bugs, though he felt bad about it), the [[Gioacchino Rossini|Rossini]] parody ''[[Rabbit of Seville]]'', and the "Hunting Trilogy" of "Rabbit Season/Duck Season" shorts (''[[Rabbit Fire]]'', ''[[Rabbit Seasoning]]'', and ''[[Duck, Rabbit, Duck!]]'') with Fudd himself, [[Bugs Bunny]], and [[Daffy Duck]].

He ''nearly'' always [[Rhotacism|misplaced the letters ''R'' and ''L'' with ''W'']] (a trait that also characterized [[Tweety Bird]]) when he would talk in his slightly raspy voice. This trait was prevalent in the [[Elmer's Candid Camera]] and [[Elmer's Pet Rabbit]] cartoons, where the writers would give him exaggerated lines such as, "My, that weawwy was a dewicious weg of wamb." to further exaggerate his qualities as a harmless nebbish. That characteristic seemed to fit his somewhat timid and childlike persona. And it worked. The writers often gave him lines filled with those letters, such as doing [[Shakespeare]]'s Romeo as "What wight thwough yonduh window bweaks!" or [[Richard Wagner|Wagner]]'s ''[[Ride of the Valkyries]]'' as "Kiww the wabbit, kiww the wabbit, kiww the wabbit...!" or "The Beautifuw Bwue Danube, by Johann Stwauss", or the name of actress "[[Olivia deHavilland|Owivia deHaviwwand]]".

Part of the joke is that Elmer is presumably incapable of pronouncing his own first name correctly. Occasionally Elmer would properly pronounce an ''r'' or ''l'' sound, depending on whether or not it was vital for the audience to understand what the word was. (For example, in 1944's ''[[The Old Grey Hare]]'', he clearly pronounces the ''r'' in the word "picture".)

==Later appearances==
Elmer Fudd made appearances in several television specials in the 1970s and 1980s, and some cameo roles in two of the ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' feature-film compilations.

In the [[1988]] movie ''[[Who Framed Roger Rabbit]]'', Elmer Fudd makes a cameo in a brief head-shot during the final scene.

Elmer would also appear frequently on the animated series ''[[Tiny Toon Adventures]]'' as a teacher at Acme Looniversity, where he was the idol and favorite teacher of [[Elmyra Duff]], the slightly deranged animal lover who resembles Elmer both in basic head design and lack of intellect.

Elmer also had a guest starring appearance on ''[[Histeria!]]'' in the episode "The Teddy Roosevelt Show", in a sketch where he portrayed [[Gutzon Borglum]]. This sketch depicts Elmer/Gutzon's construction of [[Mount Rushmore]], accompanied by Borglum's son Lincoln, portrayed by [[Loud Kiddington]]. Elmer made another appearance on ''Histeria!'', this time in his traditional role, during a sketch where the [[Bald Eagle]] trades places with the [[Turkey]] during [[Thanksgiving]] weekend, featured in the episode "Americana".

Fudd also appeared on ''[[The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries]]'' in the first season episode ''A Ticket to Crime'' as detective Sam Fudd; at the end he took off his clothes and turned into Elmer.

Elmer appears as part of the TuneSquad team in ''[[Space Jam]]''.

Elmer took on a more villainous role in ''[[Looney Tunes: Back in Action]]'', in which he is a secret agent for the [[Acme Corporation]]. In his scene, Elmer chases Bugs and Daffy through the paintings in the [[Louvre]] museum, taking on the different art styles as they do so. At the end, Elmer forgets to change back to his normal style after jumping out of the [[pointillism]] painting ''[[Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte]]'' by [[Georges Seurat]], allowing Bugs to easily disintegrate Elmer by blowing a fan at him.

An even more villainous Elmer appeared in two episodes of ''[[Duck Dodgers (TV series)|Duck Dodgers]]'' as '''The Mother Fudd''', an alien who would spread a disease that caused all affected by it to stand around laughing like Elmer (a parody of the [[Flood (Halo)|Flood]] in ''[[Halo (series)|Halo]]'' and the [[Borg (Star Trek)|Borg]] in ''[[Star Trek]]'').

In ''[[Loonatics Unleashed]]'', his descendant, '''Electro J. Fudd''', tried to prove himself the universe's greatest hunter by capturing Ace Bunny, but settled for Danger Duck instead.

Elmer himself also makes an appearance in the form of a photo which shows he presumably died at the hands of a giant [[squirrel]].{{Fact|date=May 2008}}

==The voice of Elmer Fudd==
[[Image:ArthurQBryan.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The original voice of Elmer Fudd, Arthur Q. Bryan.]]
Fudd was originally voiced by [[Voice acting|radio actor]] [[Arthur Q. Bryan]], but twice in Bryan's lifetime the voice was provided by the versatile [[Mel Blanc]]. Once, in ''[[The Scarlet Pumpernickel]]'' (1950), only a single line was needed, and bringing in Bryan was not cost effective. Later, during the musician's union strike of 1958, Blanc did the voice for Elmer's co-starring appearance in ''[[Pre-Hysterical Hare]]''. There is no documented reason for Bryan's absence, leaving some fans to speculate that he refused to cross the picket lines. In 1959, Bryan died aged 60, and [[Hal Smith]] was selected to replace him as Elmer, but after just two cartoons were recorded by the new actor, and another was made in which Fudd has no lines and therefore no voice, the character was soon retired. Although in more recent years other voice actors have alternated as Elmer's voice, Bryan's characterization remains the definitive one. He was never credited onscreen, because Blanc had a clause in his contract that required him to receive a screen credit and, perhaps inadvertently, denied the same to other voice performers. Blanc would take on the role regularly in the 1970s and 1980s, supplying Elmer's voice for new footage in compilation feature films and similar TV specials, as well as some all-new specials. He admitted in his autobiography that he found the voice difficult to get "right", never quite making it his own. In ''Speechless'', the famous [[lithograph]] issued following Blanc's death, Elmer is not shown among the characters bowing their heads in tribute to Blanc. Elmer has also been voiced by [[Daws Butler]], [[Greg Burson]], [[Jeff Bergman]], [[Billy West (voice actor)|Billy West]], [[Tom Kenny]], [[Quinton Flynn]], and others over the years.

===Other voice actors===
Beside [[Arthur Q. Bryan]], other actors have voiced Elmer:
*[[Mel Blanc]] (1950, 1958, 1972-1980)
*[[Hal Smith]] (1960–1961)
*[[Jeff Bergman]] (1989–1993)
*[[Greg Burson]] ( 1990-1995, ''[[Tiny Toon Adventures]]'', alternate to Bergman)
*[[Billy West]] (1996-present)
*[[Quinton Flynn]] (''[[Robot Chicken]]'')
*[[Noel Blanc]] (''[[Family Guy]]'')
*[[Chris Edgerly]] (''[[Drawn Together]]'')

== Impact on popular culture ==

The [[search engine]] [[Google]] has been translated into many languages, some of them for sheer comedic purposes. One of the novelty languages is "Elmer Fudd."<ref name="Google">{{cite web|url=http://www.google.com/intl/xx-elmer/|title=Ewmew Fudd|publisher=Google|accessdate=Jun. 21, 2009}}</ref>

== See also ==
* [[List of Cartoons featuring Elmer Fudd]]

==References==
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==External links==
*{{imdb character|id=0029092|character=Elmer Fudd}}
*[http://www.google.com/intl/xx-elmer/ Elmer now has his own version of Google]
*[http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=431 Parody Song 'Kill the Wabbit'] by Ozzy Fudd (Mark McCollum)

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