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Zoe Perry

2018-09-14T11:36:46Z

MaddyRockFan:

{{Infobox actor
| name = Zoe Perry
| image =
| imagesize =
| caption =
| birth_name =
| birth_date = {{birth date and age|1983|9|26}}
| birth_place = [[Chicago]], [[Illinois]], [[United States|USA]] <ref name="Chicago Tribune">{{cite web |last1=Metz |first1=Nina |title="Zoe Perry plays her mother Laurie Metcalf on 'Young Sheldon'...sort of" |url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/entertainment/tv/ct-mov-zoe-perry-young-sheldon-steppenwolf-1229-story.html?i10c.encReferrer=&i10c.ua=1&i10c.dv=14 |website=chicagotribune.com |accessdate=11 September 2018}}</ref>
| occupation = Actress
| years_active = 1992–present
| spouse =
| children =
| parents = [[Laurie Metcalf]] [[Jeff Perry (American actor)|Jeff Perry]]
| awards =
}}

'''Zoe Perry''' (born September 26, 1983) <ref name="Chicago Tribune, September 27 1983">{{cite web |title="Today's Briefings" |url=https://www.newspapers.com/clip/22975342/chicago_tribune/ |website=newspapers.com |publisher=Chicago Tribune |accessdate=11 September 2018}}</ref> is an American actress. She is best known for portraying young [[Mary Cooper (The Big Bang Theory)|Mary Cooper]] in ''[[Young Sheldon]]'' and for recurring roles on ''[[The Family (2016 TV series)|The Family]]'' and ''[[Scandal (TV series)|Scandal]]''.

==Career==
Both of Perry's parents are actors, [[Laurie Metcalf]] and [[Jeff Perry (American actor)|Jeff Perry]].<ref name=hw>{{cite news|last1=Dowling|first1=Amber|title='Young Sheldon': How Zoe Perry Plans to Walk in Her Mother's Emmy-Nominated Shoes|url=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/young-sheldon-how-zoe-perry-plans-walk-her-mothers-emmy-nominated-shoes-1015054|accessdate=September 29, 2017|work=Hollywood Reporter|date=June 22, 2017}}</ref><ref name=ew>{{cite news|last1=Abrams|first1=Natalie|title=The Big Bang Theory spinoff star Zoe Perry on emulating her mom, Laurie Metcalf|url=http://ew.com/tv/2017/04/09/big-bang-theory-spinoff-zoe-perry-laurie-metcalf/|accessdate=September 29, 2017|work=Entertainment Weekly|date=April 29, 2017}}</ref> Her first television role was two appearances as the character Jackie Harris (as seen in flashback) on the [[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]] sitcom ''[[Roseanne]]'', the character portrayed by her mother.<ref name=hw/> Her parents, however, did not want her to pursue acting until she became an adult, fearing the effect of stress.<ref name=people>{{cite news|last1=Gomez|first1=Patrick|title=Inside the Crazy Family Connection Between the Stars Playing Sheldon's Mom on Big Bang Theory & Young Sheldon|url=http://people.com/tv/big-bang-theory-young-sheldon-laurie-metcalf-daughter-zoe-perry/|accessdate=September 27, 2017|work=People|date=September 15, 2017}}</ref> Perry said she was too shy to act at high school, but began performing at [[Northwestern University]],<ref name=people/> as a way to make friends after transferring from [[Boston University]].<ref name=broadway>{{cite news|last1=Gilbert|first1=Ryan|title=The Other Place's Zoe Perry on the 'Surreal' Joy of Co-Starring on Broadway With Her Mom, Laurie Metcalf|url=http://www.broadway.com/buzz/166659/the-other-places-zoe-perry-on-the-surreal-joy-of-co-starring-on-broadway-with-her-mom-laurie-metcalf/|accessdate=September 29, 2017|work=Broadway|date=January 17, 2013}}</ref>

After graduating, Perry moved to New York to search for television work, landing small roles on series such as ''[[Law & Order: Criminal Intent]]'', but homesickness brought her back to California, where she found theater work.<ref name=broadway/> In 2013, she performed in ''[[The Other Place (play)|The Other Place]]'' on [[Broadway theatre|Broadway]] alongside her mother.<ref name=broadway/>

Perry appeared in nine episodes of ABC thriller ''[[The Family (2016 TV series)|The Family]]'' in 2016.<ref name=guide>{{cite web|title=Zoe Perry|url=http://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/zoe-perry/credits/278134/|website=TV Guide|accessdate=6 October 2017}}</ref> In 2017, she had a recurring role on the ABC political thriller ''[[Scandal (TV series)|Scandal]]'', starring her father.<ref name=hw/><ref name=ew/> The same year she was cast as a younger version of [[Sheldon Cooper]]'s mother Mary on ''[[Young Sheldon]]'', a spin-off of the [[CBS]] sitcom ''[[The Big Bang Theory]]'', again portraying a younger version of her mother's role.<ref name=hw/> Despite her family link to the character, she received the role through an audition.<ref name=hw/><ref name=ew/>

==Filmography==
===Film===
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Year !! Title !! Role !! Notes
|-
| 2005 || ''Allegretto '75'' || Meredith Brooke || Short film
|-
| 2008 || ''[[Deception (2008 film)|Deception]]''<ref name=guide/> || Secretary #1 ||
|-
| 2008 || ''[[The Loss of a Teardrop Diamond]]''<ref>{{cite web|title='The Loss of a Teardrop Diamond' from 'Lost' Tennessee Williams Screenplay: Q&A with Director Jodie Markell|url=http://www.altfg.com/film/the-loss-of-a-teardrop-diamond-jodie-markell/|publisher=Alt Film Guide|accessdate=24 April 2018}}</ref> || Mathilde ||
|-
| 2011 || ''Turkey Bowl'' || Zoe ||
|-
| 2014 || ''Cotton'' || Maxine ||
|-
| 2016 || ''[[No Pay, Nudity]]''<ref>{{cite news|title=‘No Pay, Nudity’: Film Review|url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/no-pay-nudity-944420|accessdate=24 April 2018|work=Hollywood Reporter|date=11 November 2016}}</ref> || Renie ||
|}

===Television===
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Year !! Title !! Role !! Notes
|-
| 1992, 1995 || ''[[Roseanne]]'' || [[List of Roseanne characters#Marjorie/Jacqueline "Jackie" Harris|Young Jackie]] || 2 episodes
|-
| 2006 || ''[[Law & Order: Criminal Intent]]'' || Wendy || Episode: "[[Law & Order: Criminal Intent (season 5)#Episodes|Vacancy]]"
|-
| 2006 || ''[[Conviction (2006 TV series)|Conviction]]'' || Audrey Knowles || 2 episodes
|-
| 2006, 2008, 2010 || ''[[My Boys]]'' || Waitress || 4 episodes
|-
| 2007 || ''[[Cold Case]]''<ref name=guide/> || Melinda Levy '82 || Episode: "[[Cold Case (season 5)#Episodes|Justice]]"
|-
| 2008 || ''[[Private Practice (TV series)|Private Practice]]''<ref name=guide/> || Lisa || Episode: "[[Private Practice (season 2)#Episodes|Equal & Opposite]]"
|-
| 2009 || ''Ave 43'' || Janet || 2 episodes
|-
| 2012 || ''[[Grey's Anatomy]]'' || Katy Noonan || Episode: "[[Beautiful Doom]]"
|-
| 2013 || ''Second Shot'' || Krystal Munson || Episode: "If It Ain't Fix, Don't Break It"
|-
| 2016 || ''[[The Family (2016 TV series)|The Family]]'' || Jane || 9 episodes
|-
| 2016 || ''[[NCIS (TV series)|NCIS]]''<ref name=guide/> || Harpers Ferry Police Officer Kristen Fields || 2 episodes
|-
| 2017 || ''[[Liv and Maddie]]'' || Marlow || Episode: "[[List of Liv and Maddie episodes#Season 4|Tiny House-A-Rooney]]"
|-
| 2017 || ''[[Scandal (TV series)|Scandal]]'' || Samantha Ruland || 9 episodes
|-
| 2017–present || ''[[Young Sheldon]]'' || [[List of The Big Bang Theory characters#Mary Cooper|Mary Cooper]] || Main cast, 22 episodes
|}

==References==
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==External links==
* {{Twitter|zoejperry}}
* {{IMDb name|1409365|Zoe Perry}}
* [http://www.cbs.com/shows/young-sheldon/cast/215677/ Zoe Perry] on CBS.com

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Zoe Perry

2018-09-11T18:19:02Z

MaddyRockFan:

User talk:Damien Linnane

2014-08-18T19:06:50Z

MaddyRockFan: /* re:Murder of Leigh Leigh */

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==[[Template:Did you know nominations/Kirya Ne'emana]]==
Another editor has questioned the hook. Would you mind looking at ALT1? Thanks for your review, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 13:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Anthony Kelly (martial artist)==
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|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#6 July 2014|6 July 2014]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Anthony Kelly (martial artist)]]''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that the '''[[Anthony Kelly (martial artist)|Arrow Catcher]]''' claims to live on a diet of just meat and potatoes?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony Kelly (martial artist)|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony Kelly (martial artist)]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Anthony Kelly (martial artist)|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Anthony Kelly (martial artist)]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/index.php?page=Anthony_Kelly_(martial_artist)&datefrom=2014-07-01&dateto=2014-07-31 live views], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201407/Anthony_Kelly_(martial_artist) daily totals]), and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]].
}} [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 03:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

== Q re ''Fifth Element'' FAR ==

Hi, I've not really participated in FARs before, it occurs to me it might be considered bad form to make copyedits to an article currently under review at FAR. (Is that right, and I should only doc my ce suggestions at the FAR page? Or?) Thx for guidance. [[User:Ihardlythinkso|Ihardlythinkso]] ([[User talk:Ihardlythinkso|talk]]) 06:49, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

:This is my first FAR, so i'm not 100% sure. Thanks for making those copy edits. I don't see any problem with it myself, considering they are only minor changes. By all means though, if there are additional things which you believe could be improved and you don't have the time to do it, feel free to simply mention them on the FAR page and i'll make the changes, otherwise I don't see any harm in simply doing it yourself. Whilst I have your attention, if you happen to believe this article is worthy of featured status, if you could voice your support on it at the FAR page I would be ever so grateful. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

::Well, most of my stuff is picky punc/grammar/expression stuff, and for me just doing those edits is simpler than explaining suggestions for them, but I see even minor copyedit suggestions are documented in FAR comments, so I was wondering if that was protocol and to avoid creating a moving target. I was reading the general FAR doc pages for answer to my Q re protocol, didn't find anything, but it seemed perhaps likely that making changes to something being reviewed might be probably bad form. But I did find in that doc that newish reviewers should leave '''Oppose'''/'''Support''' !voting to seasoned reviewers and instead use only '''Comment''', so I better follow that and not !vote. Ok, [[User:Ihardlythinkso|Ihardlythinkso]] ([[User talk:Ihardlythinkso|talk]]) 07:41, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Murder of Leigh Leigh]]==
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article [[Murder of Leigh Leigh]] you nominated for [[WP:GA|GA]]-status according to the [[WP:WIAGA|criteria]]. [[Image:Time2wait.svg|20px]] This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period.  Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] -- [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] ([[User talk:Ohconfucius|talk]]) 05:01, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
*Heads up: not having had any response to my initial request, I made another request at [[User talk:Protonk]]. Let's hope we can get this wrapped up soon. Regards, --[[User:Ohconfucius|''' Ohc ''']][[User talk:Ohconfucius|''¡digame!'']] 04:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

== [[GA]] Review of [[Ashley Smith inquest]] ==

Hi, I've attempted to address the points you raised in your review of the above article; I think I've covered everything you noted, with the exception of the missing image point (which I've decided not to touch myself because I'm not comfortable with the idea of uploading images and related copyright status issues). I'm not sure what the subsequent process is (this was the first time I'd every nominated an article for GA status). Please have a look and then let me know where to go from here (and BTW, thanks for reviewing the article and congratulations on your first review).[[User:Vulcan's Forge|Vulcan's Forge]] ([[User talk:Vulcan's Forge|talk]]) 02:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

:Hi again. Your improvements look good to me. As this is my first review, I have contacted a mentor to look at my review and make any comments before passing I the article. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:49, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
:I've gotten the advice from the mentor. Please see my final suggestion at the review. Thanks. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 13:33, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Mya (program)==
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|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#6 August 2014|6 August 2014]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Mya (program)]]''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that '''[[Mya (program)|Mya]]''' choked up during a demo for president [[Bill Clinton]]?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Mya (program)|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mya (program)]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Mya (program)|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Mya (program)]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/index.php?page=Mya_(program)&datefrom=2014-08-01&dateto=2014-08-31 live views], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201408/Mya_(program) daily totals]), and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]].
}} [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 13:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Murder of Leigh Leigh]]==
The article [[Murder of Leigh Leigh]] you nominated as a [[Wikipedia:Good article nominations|good article]] has passed [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]; see [[Talk:Murder of Leigh Leigh]] for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can [[Template_talk:Did_you_know#To_nominate_an_article|nominate it]] to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] -- [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] ([[User talk:Ohconfucius|talk]]) 02:02, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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:Thanks for the invite. I am interested, however, all my editing attention is currently being focused on promoting two articles to featured status. I'll consider joining the project once they are either accepted or rejected, and are accordingly no longer taking up all of my editing time. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:21, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

== re:Murder of Leigh Leigh ==

Congratulations to you for your work in this article. I'm glad that this article is nominated for [[WP:DYK|DYK]]. I'm still interested in this murder but I haven't got any further information since last year. I realised that there isn't any video footage on the Internet about this case and last year, I sent an e - mail to Crime and Investigation Australia for the possibility of making a documentary of it. They replied me that they'll see. Also I wanted to look some old articles from Newcastle Herald and I sent an e - mail to them too, but they hadn't replied. So, as I'm living in Turkey, I have no other choice that having further information. I'm so glad that you got the book and used it for improving this article. I think you did a great job. :)[[User:MaddyRockFan|MaddyRockFan]] ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 22:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

:Thanks, I spent a lot of time researching and writing the article. I have access to to the Newcastle Herald's archives thanks to being a university student. There are 159 articles in the Newcastle Herald's archives that mention Leigh Leigh, albeit some of them only mention her briefly. If you give me your email address, I might be able to download some of them and send them to you. Also please only comment on my current talk page, archived pages are not supposed to be modified; accordingly i've moved your comment here :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:02, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

::Sorry for writing the old message in wrong place. I've found some articles in the Newcastle Herald archive but they were from after 1995. I'm looking for the articles from 1989 or 1990. My e - mail address is irazsu@hotmail.com . Thanks for your helping. :) [[User:MaddyRockFan|MaddyRockFan]] ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 16:46, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

:::It appears the archive I have access to only goes back to 1997. I'm guessing the only way to find articles further back than that would be on microfilm; i'll look into it and see if I can find out more next time I actually go to my university library. It's somewhat amazing that 159 articles in the Newcastle Herald have at least mentioned Leigh Leigh since 1997; it gives you a good indication of the impact her death had on the region. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:41, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

::::Thanks for looking, I hope you'll find. I've sent a mail to Newcastle Herald for online archive last year, but nobody replied. The Sydney Morning Herald has an online archive on Internet and last year I've got some articles from that. I've noticed too that there is so many article about Leigh in 1997 - 1998, maybe because of Kerry Carrington's book, which was published on 1998. Thanks again. [[User:MaddyRockFan|MaddyRockFan]] ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 19:06, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Murder of Leigh Leigh==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Murder of Leigh Leigh]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Murder of Leigh Leigh|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 00:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Damien Linnane

2014-08-13T16:46:50Z

MaddyRockFan:

User talk:Damien Linnane/Archive 3

2014-08-12T22:19:46Z

MaddyRockFan:

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== Query on [[Yeshivah College, Australia|Yeshiva College]] edits by DGG ==

Can you please look at the Talk pages and edits by DGG on Yeshiva College and let me know if that is legit and reasonable. I don't like the censorship going on unless there has been a breach of guidelines.

Can you reply by email to me mikeybear69@gmail.com if possible.

Thanks.

Michael.
[[User:Mikeybear|Mikey Bear]] ([[User talk:Mikeybear|talk]]) 02:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, thanks for contacting me. Unfortunately due to my work commitments until July 22nd I will be unable to access internet for long enough to look at anything right now. Basically I'm a fair bit off the beaten track at the moment and every few days when I get back to the civilised world I only have a few minutes to check emails before I have to get back to work. I know the issue may no longer be active in 2 weeks when I get back to the real world, but I promise to take a look at it then. Sorry I can't be of more help right now. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, sorry for the late reply, my life has been somewhat hectic. I've looked at the edits, and at the editors statement on the talk page. His arguments, particular regarding "any encyclopedic interest in the event as it pertains to the school does not require ... names" are logical, but you could certainly argue against them; he cites "DO NO HARM" but his edits could be considered in violation of the [[Wikipedia:Do no harm#Neutral point of view|Do no harm#Neutral point of view]] guideline. I would certainly be interested to see other experienced editors opinions on the matter; I am certain you are not the only one who disagrees with him. I personally think it is not inappropriate to name names prior to conviction if they have been reported by reliable sources. I would certainly vote to include the names after any convictions were made, and will comment on the issue at the talk page if any convictions are made.

:If you think another users edits could be violating a guideline don't hesitate to say so and attempt to counter their arguments on the talk page; if it turns out you were wrong you at least learn something new about editing and if an agreement is not reached and you still think they are wrong after discussion consult a [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] process; I have found the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]] and [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] processes to be very helpful at getting more opinions and resolving disputes. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 12:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard]] regarding a content dispute in which you may have been involved. Content disputes can hold up article development, therefore we request your participation in the discussion to help find a resolution. The thread is "[[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Australian Christian Lobby|Australian Christian Lobby]]". Thank you! [[User:EarwigBot|EarwigBot]] ''[[User:The Earwig|operator]] / [[User talk:The Earwig|talk]]'' 09:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
:Are you still interested into following this discussion:[[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby_discussion]]? — [[User:Hahc21|'''ΛΧΣ''']][[User_talk:Hahc21|'''21'''™]] 03:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

:I respect you. You are willing to participate in meaningful discussions. I believe that you, 'adhere to guidelines'. I do not respect Grotekennis. Grotekennis, ignores Wiki P&Gs, editor comments, editor consensus, Reliable Source Noticeboard consensus and Dispute Resolution Noticeboard consensus and does what he wants to do. He demands 'scientific research' while dismissing and removing 'scientific research' which does not suit him. The summary of the finding of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby|Dispute resolution noticeboard]] presented by ΛΧΣ21 and supported by all the editors who participated is, "''all of the sources that have been added to the article and do not talk about the ACL should be removed and the content it was supposedly supported, removed too''" THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES currently [30] to [34] PROVIDED FOR THE PARAGRAPH DO NOT TALK ABOUT ACL. The 'volunteer' (who Grotekennis mentioned as justifying his edits) specifically said, "''the sources need to mention ACL or its affiliates related to the topic being discussed. Wikipedias guidelines on sources are very clear on this point''". THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES DO NOT MENTION ACL OR ITS AFFILIATES.

::Interestingly, last week Australia's Kirby Institute's Surveillance and Evaluation Program for Public Health at the University of New South Wales - released its latest scientific research. Refer HIV cases in Australia is on the rise http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hiv-cases-in-australia-is-on-the-rise/story-e6frg6n6-1226497432701 An interesting read. The head of the Institute, Associate Professor David Wilson, said the real rise in the number of cases, "was of concern". Jim Wallace's concern is further validated.

::Also interestingly the Jensen citation supporting Jim Wallace (also deleted) refers the need for 'compassion and objectivity' http://www.smh.com.au/national/anglican-archbishop-backs-christian-lobbys-gay-views-20120910-25ogi.html Jensen went on to say, "It's very hard to get to the facts here because we don't want to talk about it, and in this country censorship is alive and well".

::On another matter - on 13:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC) you said, "The ACL make a lot of outrageously distorted claims . . . ". I completely agree with the point you were making to Grotekennis - obviously he was not interested. However the euthanasia-trivial-reasons-example you used, which included the words, "absolutely absurd", "baseless scare tactic", may have been a bit strong considering [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] has said that, these casualties are tragic. Youth suicide is tragic - (in today's media) http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mental-health-experts-on-standby-for-schools-hit-by-suicide-as-part-of-federal-government-campaign/story-e6frf7kx-1226502696526

:Grotekennis is determined to get his way and in so doing undermines the credibility of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sam56mas|contribs]]) 12:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC) 

::Thanks for your comments. Grotekennis frustrates me also. I noticed what you mentioned regarding his edits and the only reason I haven't done anything about it is because I'm going on vacation tomorrow and I don't want to start any disputes before I go, but I certainly believe all references that do not mention the ACL should be removed, and I will remove these references myself once I get back from vacation if they are still there.

::Regarding your other comments: I'm happy to debate things in general if you like here. Providing opposing arguments are based on logic (as opposed to superstition, it really makes me angry when people say they are for/against something ONLY because their holy book says so) I often find it interesting to hear other peoples opinions on things, even if they differ greatly from my own.

::There is no doubt that homosexual men are far more likely to have HIV than heterosexual men. Conservative Christians mention this fact often. What I've never heard a conservative Christian mention, however, is the fact that homosexual women are far less likely to have HIV than heterosexual women. In the United States at least, there has never been a confirmed case of a women getting HIV through sex with another women [http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm] Jim Wallace says "the homosexual lifestyle has some disastrous health outcomes" and cites HIV as an example however HIV rates amongst women would undeniably drop if more women only had sex with women. The ACL often only tell half the story, give undue weight to certain facts and completely ignore information that harms their cause (this is hardly surprising, most lobby groups do this). I also find it incredibly appalling that Jim Wallace brings up the fact that LGBT people are far more likely to be depressed. Of course they are far more likely to be depressed in this country; our government and the ACL treat them like second class citizens! Rates of depression amongst LGBT people are lower in countries where gay marriage is legal. A guy I went to high school with posted this on Facebook after the gay marriage bill was voted down:

:::''To be completely honest, I don't know if I ever want/feel the need to get married, but to have a bunch of elected, "learned" people tell me that I am not worthy of the option because of a certain facet of me that I was born with and have no control over, actually almost overwhelms me to tears. And to read that Senator Cory Bernardi suggests gay marriage will lead to beastiality makes me feel the same pit in my stomach I felt as a teenager who struggled to accept who I am.''

::I'm not gay or even bisexual, to be perfectly honest I don't understand how men can be attracted to other men. But every moral fibre of my being tells me it is wrong to deprive someone of rights just because of what they have between their legs, and just FYI that's why I campaign for gay marriage.

::Regarding the euthanasia comments. Yes I agree my wording was harsher than it needed to be but this was because it was aimed at Grotekennis. I thought if I stressed how much I don't like the ACL he might value my opinion more (I don't think it worked, lol). I firmly stand by the general point I was making though. Legalising euthanasia for people who are already dying or people who have extremely poor quality of life with no chance of improvement (for example, quadriplegics) is not going to lead to to people legally getting assistance with euthanasia for trivial reasons. I understand some depressed people have used Nitschke's methods to kill themselves (despite the disclaimers he provides with this information) however this is, unfortunately, a fact of life. Some depressed people are going to attempt to take their own lives no matter what you do, and some people are always going to use information in a way it was not intended to be used. Example: I still have the chemistry textbook I bought when I was at University. Now if I wanted to I could use the information in that textbook to help me make a bomb or illegal drugs, but just because this information could potentially be abused shouldn't be a valid reason to censor chemistry. Have you read [[The Peaceful Pill Handbook]]? I'll post you a copy for free if you like. I'd assume it would be an interesting read even for people against euthanasia, but I can't exactly guarantee that of course. I'd make a comment about why I am for voluntary euthanasia, but instead i'll just advertise this website that you might find interesting: http://www.christiansforve.org.au I'm actually a member of this organisation and have worked with them in the past (openly as an atheist, they accept support from heathens lol).

::Well I'm logging out of wiki now and I won't be back for two weeks. See you then. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your detailed comments.

:::Re your: "I will remove these references myself . . . " Thank you. I have added a comment on the ACL talk page and at [[User_talk:Dominus_Vobisdu#ACL]]

:::My personal view on euthanasia is not based on 'superstition' and has not been formed 'ONLY because their holy book says so'. In my case, it is a belief in the dignity, the beauty and the fragility of life and a concern for the unknown flow-on effects for the elderly, (plus [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] comments) which causes me to believe we need to be very careful here. Others (obviously for various reasons) are concerned about euthanasia, for instance: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-lets-put-legalised-euthanasia-issue-down/story-e6frezz0-1226504473514

:::The matter of HIV and women - with respect - is a red herring and can be explained (for me) by issues as such as male promiscuity and male physiology.

:::The 'deprive someone of rights just because . . . ' is a simplistic characterisation of a much more complex situation. Detailed responses by others are available elsewhere. To respond to your question with a question > Why are there demands that the distinctions associated with 'LGBTI' must be disaggregated, while the distinctions associated with 'marriage' must be aggregated? To say depression in the LGTBI community (which I don't deny) is (largely?) caused by homophobia, seems to me to be primarily a blame-shifting exercise.

:::You mention quadriplegia. I have a friend who was very active and inspirational. He owns a successful project-home-building company. Two years ago, he crashed into another bike rider on a bike-track. He is now a quadriplegic - he remains an inspirational person. It can be a mental issue, rather than a physical issue. I know a number of depressed people and others 'on the edge' some with drug issues - some now dead - and of course the frail-elderly. As a society we should offer encouragement and support, rather than offering a chemical way out. A friend was telling me about a man she met a few years ago. Apparently he had no contact with his family. He had no contact with his children or grandchildren. He admitted he was very lonely. He was an active euthanasia advocate.

:::Your offered of a copy of the Peaceful pill handbook. Thanks, but no thanks. I can see enough here [[The_Peaceful_Pill_Handbook]] and http://www.peacefulpillhandbook.com/ plus links. Wikipedia notes: "Nitschke was involved in an argument in the press with the family of a woman suffering from post-natal depression who read the book and took the advice offered about travelling to Mexico. Her drawn-out death caused her family to attack the accuracy of the book's advice". I note: "This eBook is not intended for the mentally ill or depressed. Those with psychiatric conditions should contact their family physicians". Hardly reassuring to me that this sentence would prevent inappropriate use. Many people (as evidenced by determined Wikipedia editors) take little notice of what is written.

:::I have no problem with not continuing life by artificial means. I have no problem with criticism of ACL, providing it is done within the Wikipeda P&Gs. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 22:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

::::Just thought I'd clear a few things up. Firstly if you were offended I apologise - I wasn't trying to belittle you with the 'holy book' sentence, I've just had conversations with Christians before who openly admit they are only against homosexuality because the bible is against it, and they blindly obey the book regardless of how they personally feel about things. It's made me a bit defensive about debating with religious people.

::::Being for legalised euthanasia certainly does not make me want it as the first choice for anyone. If your friend is still happy to go on living as a quadriplegic that actually makes me happy, I just think people should have the option to die peacefully if they are not physically going to get better. I'm actually for euthanasia for very similar reasons to why you say you are against it, I believe in the beauty and dignity of life. I also believe encouragement and support should be offered first, but there are situations where encouragement and support are not going to help - some time ago I watched a close relative die from cancer slowly over several months. His quality of life was extremely poor; for the last few weeks he couldn't move his arms or his legs at all, and struggled to turn his head to look at us. Encouragement and support are not going to help here, I'm not 100% sure he knew where he was and what was happening in the last few days. By the time he died this person whom I loved had no dignity or beauty left, I was actually relieved when he died because that meant he didn't have to suffer anymore. If I get diagnosed with the same kind of terminal cancer I don't want to be forced to die like that, I'd like society to have some compassion and allow me to die peacefully at my own discretion. I want Australia to have the same euthanasia laws as [[Oregon Death with Dignity Act|Oregon]].

::::I'm certain there are factors other than homophobia and lack of rights for LGBTI people that cause depression, I wasn't trying to say all the blame lies with the ACL and people who share their opinions, I was trying to make a specific point. You see I often wonder, but I've never found out, if the ACL and their supporters actually realise how much damage they do to the mental health of gay people. I close friend of mine who is a lesbian was actually reduced to tears after reading comments made at the National Marriage Day (slippery slope to polygamy, comparison to paedophilia, gay marriage should be laughed at etc). The sentiment expressed in the comments my friend posted on Facebook are typical amongst how at least all the gay people I know react to lobbying against LGBT rights.

::::I understand moral objection to euthanasia and abortion. I do not understand objection to gay marriage. If you don't like gay marriage don't marry a gay person; problem solved. I remember reading an extract from an email the ACL sent out to their followers, in which they complained that they were losing the debate over gay marriage. I couldn't help but think, what on earth do the ACL think they are losing? If gay marriage becomes legal, the 40-something percent of Christians who are against gay marriage won't have lost anything. They still can get married in the manner they wish to, the only difference is now other people have the same rights they've always had. Why should we all be bound by a interpretation of marriage that only a particular group of Christians believe in? I just don't understand the ACL's position on LGBT rights, and neither do just over half of Christians according to recent polls. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thank you. I have no problem with people expressing, or respectfully promoting the views that they hold. I will get back to you in a few days, after I demonstrate something. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 23:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

::::::There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL. Fine. There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL, and who make sure that Wikipedia ACL is skewed towards their views. They are not interested in 'etiquette' or respect for Wikipedia policies or guidelines. (Other than demanding strict adherence by others). In my opinion you are not part of that second group. While you may be able to define what you mean by: Reproductive Rights, Marriage Equality and Right to Die, others (specifically the demand-for-change advocates) will see things differently, particularly in regards to the 'necessary limits' in each case. In each case, the 'rights' of others are involved. With complex, social-policy changes such as these, Australia (I believe) will not be able adequately define, let alone maintain restraints - any more than can 'democratic Wikipedia'. Rules, ethics and respect are of little concern to some people. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Peter Allgeier Article ==

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== Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions ==

Thanks for adding the Montanists to [[Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions]] - I believe that belongs there. I notice you didn't add the 1st century prediction, and I think that's probably the right decision. Not only is there a dispute over whether Jesus or Paul predicated an apocalyptic event, but also over what event(s) they might have been referring to. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks. Whilst I certainly think the 1st century "prediction" (or rather the way people reacted to it) is notable in itself, I agree it doesn't belong at that page either. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Saturday Night Live cast members|SNL]] list ==

Hi Freikorp. You and I were posting on the SNL talk page at the same time. You can see my comments there. Btw, I meant no offense in my edit comment; I simply said "please get consensus". I know you opened a discussion - which I really appreciate - but there was no participation. In any case, I do apologize if I hurt your feelings. Thanks and have a wonderful new year! --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to mention... great job on noticing the cross symbol being used. I totally agree with your thoughts on that. Also, you said "It's been two weeks since I removed the content, and your revert has been the first reaction". Although it's the first reaction, the reason is because the article is relatively inactive - it only gets a few edits a month, which is why I'm not surprised at all that there were no comments on the talk page. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC) 06:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Hi. No worries, I probably over-reacted a little - it's often hard to judge the sentiment people are expressing in the limited space an edit summary provides. Thanks for your comments on the talk page. To be honest I should have waited a bit longer for comments (and I usually do) but I though Christianising the deaths of non-Christians was particularly rude and when I went to change that I thought I may as well make the other proposed change at the same time. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Dami Mission==
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:Thanks for letting me know. I've addressed all the issues that have been mentioned, and am awaiting further comments/suggestions at the articles entry. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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:Thanks. Those page statistics made me laugh - I didn't even think to look at them. I'm not surprised they spiked around December 21, but I wasn't expecting it to be by that much. You might think this is really silly, but I'll tell you anyway - I guess I edit wikipedia for the same reason the overwhelming majority of editors would, but my motivation for working on this page was hoping that if the page was well written, had a large number of notable predictions, and was well referenced, people scared of apocalyptic events would read it, see how many false prediction there have been over the millennia, and maybe calm down a notch. I decided to do this after noticing how some people were reacting to Harold Camping's 2011 predictions. I hope a few people took the 2012 prediction a little less serious after reading the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks for the note. I'll be vigilant. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== [[Rikas tyttö]] ==

Thanks for creating the article. I was just about to write you about the red links. [[User:Widr|Widr]] ([[User talk:Widr|talk]]) 07:52, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. I was considering writing to you about the red links as well. As per [[Wikipedia:Red links]], red links shouldn't necessarily be deleted on sight, as they are helpful for indicating that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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==Shake and Bake==
Hey man, I'm sorry I didn't correctly cite the edit I made earlier today. I put my rationale in the talk page, but not in the edit description itself. All the pop culture stuff pertaining to [[Shake and Bake]] and not [[Shake 'n Bake]] I put in the disambiguation page. The Simpsons ref was the only one that actually had anything to do with the Kraft food product, which is why I left it. Would it be alright if I restored the edit? — [[User:Muckapedia|Muckapedia]] ([[User_talk:Muckapedia|talk]]) 14e mars 2013 16h23 (−4h)

:Hi. Sorry for the late reply. I missed your talk page explanation - now that I've seen it your edit makes sense, and I've restored it myself. Cheers for the message. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013 ==

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'''Membership report''' 
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:Thomas Cranmer|Thomas Cranmer]], [[User:Mr.Oglesby|Mr.Oglesby]], and [[User:Stylistica|Sneha Priscilla]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it.

'''From the Editor''' 

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of [[User:John Carter|John Carter]], and so [[User:Gilderien|I]] have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of [[Pope Benedict XVI]] and the election of [[Pope Francis]]. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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'''Church of the month''' 
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'''Contest of the month''' 
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests]], and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

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[[Grade I listed churches in Cumbria]] was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]], and the image above of the [[Church of Saint Ildefonso]] was promoted to featured picture status.

[[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], by [[User:Khazar2|Khazar2]], was promoted to GA status, as well [[Third Epistle of John]] by [[User:Cerebellum|Cerebellum]].

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included [[St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Marion Irvine]] by [[User:Giants2008|Giants2008]]; [[Margaret McKenna]] by [[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]]; [[Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity]] by [[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]]; [[St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Vester Egesborg Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Undløse Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St Martin's Church, Næstved]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St. Peter, Syburg]] by [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Østre Porsgrunn Church]] by [[User:Strachkvas|Strachkvas]]; [[Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Dami Mission]] by [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]]; [[Mechanicsburg Baptist Church]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Acheiropoietos Monastery]], by [[User:Proudbolsahye|Proudbolsahye]]; [[T. Lawrason Riggs]], by [[User:Gareth E Kegg|Gareth E Kegg]]; [[McColley's Chapel]], by [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]]; [[Oświęcim Chapel]], by [[User:BurgererSF|BurgererSF]]; [[Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]], by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn]], by [[User:Yakikaki|Yakikaki]]; [[Old Stone Congregational Church]], by [[User:Orlady|Orlady]]l [[Heath Chapel]], by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[St. Joseph's Church, Beijing]], by [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]]; [[Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton]], by [[User:Rodw|Rodw]]; and [[St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] also by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Usq-DJ2rKo Complete recording]

<center>[[Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22]], a cantata by the German composer [[J.S. Bach]], was promoted to GA this month and was written by [[USer:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]]. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.
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'''Spotlight''' 
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The Spotlight this month turns to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Jesus work group|the Jesus work group]]. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, [[Jesus Christ]] and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include [[Jesus]], [[Christ]], [[Resurrection of Jesus]], and [[Holy Grail]], whereas High-priority articles include [[Aramaic Language]], a former FA, as well as [[Sermon on the Mount]], [[Lamb of God]], and [[Passion (Christianity)]]. The workgroup has also published two books, covering [[Book:Christ's Final Days |Christ's final days]] and the [[Book:Parables of Jesus|Parables of Jesus]]. The workgroup has two GAs, [[Nativity scene]], and [[Jesus in Islam]], but unfortunately the flagship article, [[Jesus]] was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three [[WP:1.0]] articles, and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-25/WikiProject_report|WikiWork]] of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By [[user:Gilderien|Gilderien]]

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'''Calendar''' 
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes [[Easter Sunday]] in Western Christianity and both [[Lazarus Saturday]] and [[Palm Sunday]] for the [[Eastern Orthodox Church]]. Other major feasts in the next month include those of [[Saint George]], [[Saint Mark the Evangelist]], [[Saint Stanislaus]], [[James, son of Zebedee]], and [[ Benedict the Moor]].
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'''Help requests''' 
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

<center>''Ichthus'' is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by [[WP:X|WikiProject Christianity]] For submissions contact the [[WT:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Newsroom]] • To unsubscribe add yourself to the list [[WP:X/O|here]] [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 13:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</center>
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== [[Australian Christian Lobby#Controversy and criticism]] ==

"members of the public"

Is a broad sweeping statement without factual evidence

There is no subsequent balance or context

"A group of Australian Christians"

There are millions, which group?

How is a segment of 250 people form a public narrative?

All questions I would like answered in the sake of fairness..... — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Greenmixa|Greenmixa]] ([[User talk:Greenmixa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenmixa|contribs]]) 02:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC) 

:Your edits have been contested by other users as well, and the criteria for inclusion or criticism and support of ACL's action has been an long contested debate, therefore it would be best for this conversation to take place on the ACL talk page, where other users can join in on the debate. I will move the conversation there. Also in the future please sign your comments with 4 ~'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Ways to improve Revolving Door (song) ==

Hi, I'm EagerToddler39. Freikorp, thanks for creating [[Revolving Door (song)]]!

I've just tagged the page, using our [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|page curation]] tools, as having some issues to fix. You base information on the reception of the song solely on what a Christian Genze. Other opinions needed to ensure a fair article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on [[User talk:EagerToddler39|my talk page]]. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at [[WP:TEAHOUSE|the Teahouse]].

==Your DYK nomination==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Losing Chase]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  --[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 15:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

{{tb|Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase}}--[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 18:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Losing Chase==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

== DYK Nomination of Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards ==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! (Sorry, I meant to post this when I reviewed the nomination, but apparently never hit the "save" button...). [[User:Canadian Paul|Canadian]] [[User talk:Canadian Paul|Paul]] 22:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== Re: Slutdrop ==

Hey there, sorry for the late response but I wanted to get a [[User_talk:PraetorianFury#Slutdrop|third opinion first]]. It's true that I didn't read the entire article at [[Slutdrop]], so I didn't want it to appear as though I was defending a mistaken revert. But besides the initial reasoning given, there are other problems with linking to Slutdrop. It is very tangentially related, and only by an opinionated claim made by someone at the Guardian. No one has explicitly made the connection between Slutwalks and Slutdrops in the sources. That's why I don't think it's an appropriate addition to the article at this time, with the sources available. [[User:PraetorianFury|PraetorianFury]] ([[User talk:PraetorianFury|talk]]) 17:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. If you had of reverted it saying "this is only tangentially related" I would have just let it go, it was just the fact you incorrectly stated it had nothing with reclaiming the word pushed one of my buttons a bit. Thanks for getting a third opinion; no hard feelings. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Slutdrop==
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}} [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Sandy MacGregor==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for The Discipline of Market Leaders==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Fifth Element ==

Just wanted to say great work overhauling the article, but please note that the awards section will need to be sourced, whether it's one citation used for all of the awards or individual citations as appropriate. While more tedious, the advantage of the latter approach would be that if editors change the awards table later it will still (hopefully) be clear which awards track to which sources. Happy Editing! [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 13:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks. The awards currently listed that don't have individual references are 6 of the 7 Cesar awards and 1 of the 4 Saturn awards. I'm going to assume the reference I posted on the talk page will be sufficient to cover all of them until someone tells me otherwise; I'll add it to the result column. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 14:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:I've found and added a few more individual references, so the only awards currently listed missing an individual reference are the 4 Cesar awards that it was nominated for but didn't win. If it turns out the blanket reference I found fails [[WP:RS]] removing those four nominations won't be such a big deal. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Order of Chiang Chung-Cheng]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Gbawden|Gbawden]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>You should consider joining the Orders, Decorations and Medals WikiProject</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Gbawden's [[User talk:Gbawden|talk page]].

Learn more about [[Wikipedia:New Pages Feed/Help|page curation]].

:Hi Gbawden. I appreciate the invite, and I'll take a look at the project once I've tied up all the things on my to-do list. I thought I should let you know that I am certainly no subject matter expert on awards though. I created the 'Order of Wen-Hu' as I had created the page for [[R.V.C. Bodley]], who won the award, and I found enough references to start a page for the award whilst searching for references on Bodley. I then created the other 4 awards as somebody added the 'Republic of China honours system' template to the Wen-Hu article, and the fact that the template was almost completely full or redlinks at the time annoyed me to the point of doing something about it :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Blockbuster Entertainment Awards==
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}} '''[[User:Harrias|Harrias]]''' [[User_talk:Harrias|talk]] 00:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for What Remains==
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}} '''[[User:Spinningspark|Spinning]][[User talk:Spinningspark|Spark''']]''' 01:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Stentor]] ==

I want to thank you for your last post at this discussion.  It was unusually helpful to my understanding.  Regarding the closing, I find it incomprehensible.  FYI, [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 00:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks, it retrospect I should have just boldly redirected the article instead of nominating for deletion. Considering the official website is clearly offline (leaving me wondering if the magazine is even still produced or not) which means the only sources the article had to begin with are now dead, I have redirected the article back to [[Lake Forest College]] anyway. If you think that is not appropriate feel free to let me know, I am happy to discuss the matter. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::Being dead doesn't change the fact that they are sources, it just makes it harder to locate copies.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::I support your bold redirect.  Coming after a keep closure, I think any objection needs to be given due respect.  Such seems unlikely since there are no known secondary sources, but time will tell.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards==
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== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Revolution Overdrive: Songs of Liberty]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>I reviewed your page and passed it. Great article. Just a reminder that it is an orphan and you should add links to it.</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Falkirks's [[User talk:Falkirks|talk page]].

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==DYK for Kaboom: The Suicide Bombing Game==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

==National Atlas of the United States DYK? Nomination==
I have now responded to you here--[[Template:Did you know nominations/National Atlas of the United States]]. Please take a look at my response and the things that I fixed for this DYK? nomination whenever you'll have the time. Thank you very much. [[User:Futurist110|Futurist110]] ([[User talk:Futurist110|talk]]) 00:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

== A cup of coffee for you! ==

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:You're welcome. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for You Can't Stop Me==
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== Filemover ==

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I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A{{PAGENAMEU}} granted] file mover rights to your account following either a request for those rights or a clear need for the ability to move files. For information on the file mover rights and under what circumstances it is okay to move files, see [[Wikipedia:File mover]]. If you do not want file mover rights anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. [[User talk:INeverCry|INeverCry]] 21:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Why thank you, again :). It certainly is nice to get recognition for the article. Come to think of it I haven't worked on converting the list of potential candidates on the article's talk page over to the actual article for a while now. I think I'll start working on that again soon. I gave up on my idea of writing a book about drug-related deaths. It was getting too difficult to find offline sources, not to mention it was time consuming, plus I knew I'd never make my money back (I was just doing it out of interest) so I figured I'd just stick to writing about in on wiki. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Eugene Tonkonogy==
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:Congrats man. And I know where the connection came from. ;) [[Special:Contributions/71.246.157.102|71.246.157.102]] ([[User talk:71.246.157.102|talk]]) 00:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

:: :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

== GA review started ==

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== Leigh Leigh ==
The book is "Who Killed Leigh Leigh?" by Kerry Carrington. I bought it from Amazon a month ago. It gives further information about the murder but it was published in 1998. I'm interested in this murder case also. It's kinda weird because I'm from Turkey and I've never been to Australia actually. ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 15:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

:Interesting, but understandable, I've taken interest in several articles regarding incidents on the other side of the planet. Anyway thanks a lot for the information :). [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for La Promenade du sceptique==
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A file that you uploaded or altered, [[:File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion]]. Please see the [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 November 18#File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg|'''discussion''']] to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you.  —[[User:Koavf|Justin (ko'''a'''vf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 19:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

:Cheers for the notification. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== About your 3O request ==

I'm a regular volunteer at the [[WP:3O|Third Opinion project]]. Your request has been removed due to the lack of any recent, much less thorough, talk page discussion about the dispute. Indeed, there's an argument to be made that when there's been no editing or discussion about a dispute for a considerable period of time that consensus by silence or by acquiescence has occurred and that there is no longer a dispute at all. Consensus can, of course, change: you can raise the issue again at the article talk page or start a [[WP:RFC|request for comments]], and if you come to an impasse then try dispute resolution, but at this point in time there's really nothing for dispute resolution to handle. Regards, [[User:TransporterMan|'''TransporterMan''']] ([[User talk:TransporterMan|TALK]]) 16:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

:Thanks for the information. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 22:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
==Orphaned non-free image File:Ralph (magazine).jpg==
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:Issue resolved. For some reason even though the image was being used on an article it was not counted as such. I managed to fix this issue be changing the way the image was formatted on the associated article. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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--[[Special:Contributions/173.59.201.71|173.59.201.71]] ([[User talk:173.59.201.71|talk]]) 16:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

:Just for archival purposes i'd like to mention that this discussion was closed before I was made aware of its existence. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Access Ministries ==

Freikorp, you were asking about a reliable source for my edit? will this do? I am a bit new to this editing stuff! It is a statement form their website...
http://www.accessministries.org.au/news/id/19
[[User:Integrity+accuracy|Integrity+accuracy]] ([[User talk:Integrity+accuracy|talk]]) 05:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:It's a little bit of a grey area because it's a a self-published source with an obvious bias on the subject. As per [[WP:SELFPUB]], a self-published source, such as the Access Ministries official website, cannot be used to say anything about itself that is unduly self-serving. On one hand Access' claim that schools were simply not counted on the census is plausible. On the other hand Access have a vested interest in keeping their supporters morale high, so we also have to take into considerate that they may be stretching the truth to keep their supporters happy. The information currently in the article regarding the drop in attendance is presented as an accepted fact because it comes from a [[Wikipedia:Third-party sources|third party source]] that has no obvious bias on the subject (whether they are correct or not is irrelevant, they are an unbiased source so whatever they say will have much more weight than any primary source). Third party sources are ALWAYS preferred to primary sources. However since the claim is not outrageous, and it is a direct response to the media coverage already reported in the article, so as long as we present the information as according to Access Ministries, as opposed to an accepted fact, it should be fine, but others may disagree with me.

:As you have no doubt noticed, there is currently a lot of criticism about Access Ministries in the article, however, this is perfectly acceptable as all criticism is presented from mainstream third party sources that have no obvious agenda for or against Access Ministries, and each source is only used to support one sentence of information (It could be considered a violation of [[WP:Undue weight]] to write several sentences of criticism or praise using one source only). Accordingly if you wish to say favourable things about Access Ministries in the article, you will also have to also find mainstream sources. Christian websites and publications would be considered biased sources if they are used to say anything that promotes Access Ministries or their agenda. This policy swings both ways; I cannot use Atheist publications or activist websites like [http://religionsinschool.com FIRIS] to say anything negative about Access, as they are biased against the subject.

:Just a disclaimer, I am a supporter of FIRIS and accordingly I strongly oppose what Access Ministries do, but I have been editing wikipedia for years before I had heard of either Access of FIRIS, and I believe in the concept of Wikipedia, being that it should be a neutral encyclopaedia, free from bias. Naturally I tend to read and edit articles about things that interest me or are important to me, but I always try to do so without letting my feelings override any of wikipedia's guidelines. So if you need any advice on editing the article feel free to ask me. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

::Hold on. I just noticed something that I missed earlier. Access' numbers don't add up. The source you give does not dispute the mainstream media's original figure of 940 schools, they only dispute the final figure of 666 (their figure is 780), but they say that the fall in attendance was less than 5% over 3 years. A fall from 940 to 780 is a decrease of over 17%, not less than 5%. I think this is extremely strong evidence that Access is lying about something (either the number 780 or the percentage fall, one or the other, not sure which). Accordingly I no longer consider this source reliable for anything, and don't feel comfortable about it being used in the article. So my vote on this issue is now currently a 'No'. In my opinion you'll need a better source. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 09:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Another editor has since found a reliable source to back up your statement, so it looks like this issue is resolved now. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 21:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

== In The Name Of The King ==

Hi! Just a heads up that I removed your plot summary tag on [[In the Name of the King]]. I did a new plot summary completely from scratch that comes out of my local copy's word count as 4004 bytes and 618 words. Check it out, please! [[User:Featherwinglove|Featherwinglove]] ([[User talk:Featherwinglove|talk]]) 02:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

:No worries. It looks pretty good. Having not seen the film, I can't comment on how accurate it is or isn't (I found the article simply by looking through other films by Uwe Boll, having been a fan of his film Rampage, and upon noticing how overly long the old plot was simply added the tag.) Anyway, well done. Keep up the good work. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 06:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the notification. The image was removed from the article in question by another user, citing [[MOS:FILM]]. I am not contesting its removal or subsequent nomination for deletion. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

==[[Template:Did you know nominations/Nitro]]==
Your DYK review is incomplete. Please see nomination page. Thanks, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:Ditto for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mischief Makers]]. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for letting me know. Last time I reviewed for DYK (some time ago) I don't believe articles upgraded to GA were eligible for nomination. I assumed they would follow the same standards as new articles. I'll review what needs to be looked at this afternoon, and hopefully i'll be able to review it properly. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 23:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks. We are seeing a number of GA nominations lately that do not meet DYK criteria, especially in the area of [[WP:Close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]]. Some reviewers use the Dup Detector tool located to the right of the hook on the template page to check for close paraphrasing; I personally look up the sources and compare the writing. In the case of [[Mischief Makers]], the page creator is copying words and sentence structure a lot. That's okay if he would quote them directly, but to follow the language in the sources so closely is a cause for concern at DYK. Best, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 21:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Staircase model==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Staircase model]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Staircase model|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 00:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for the notification. I believe i've now resolved the issue. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Staircase model==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:21, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Thank you so much, it was actually the first new article i'd written in several months. :) I had just recently heard about the model and was surprised to not find an article on wikipedia about it already. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 18:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
::Great! I'm glad I got the chance to read it. Keep up the good work. [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]] (<big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|'''☎''']]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|'''✎''']]) 03:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Death in the West==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Jailbait ==

Just create a new nominations page for it. Though this time I would strongly advise you not to use any pictures with the nom. '''[[User:The C of E|The C of E God Save the Queen!]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 07:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for replying. Mandarax actually just reopened it, but I agree, the picture was a bad call. Certainly won't be pushing to have one included in the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Murder of Leigh Leigh ==

Congratulations to you for your work in this article. I'm glad that this article is nominated for [[WP:DYK|DYK]]. I'm still interested in this murder but I haven't got any further information since last year. I realised that there isn't any video footage on the Internet about this case and last year, I sent an e - mail to Crime and Investigation Australia for the possibility of making a documentary of it. They replied me that they'll see. Also I wanted to look some old articles from Newcastle Herald and I sent an e - mail to them too, but they hadn't replied. So, as I'm living in Turkey, I have no other choice that having further information. I'm so glad that you got the book and used it for improving this article. I think you did a great job. :)[[User:MaddyRockFan|MaddyRockFan]] ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 22:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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== Query on [[Yeshivah College, Australia|Yeshiva College]] edits by DGG ==

Can you please look at the Talk pages and edits by DGG on Yeshiva College and let me know if that is legit and reasonable. I don't like the censorship going on unless there has been a breach of guidelines.

Can you reply by email to me mikeybear69@gmail.com if possible.

Thanks.

Michael.
[[User:Mikeybear|Mikey Bear]] ([[User talk:Mikeybear|talk]]) 02:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, thanks for contacting me. Unfortunately due to my work commitments until July 22nd I will be unable to access internet for long enough to look at anything right now. Basically I'm a fair bit off the beaten track at the moment and every few days when I get back to the civilised world I only have a few minutes to check emails before I have to get back to work. I know the issue may no longer be active in 2 weeks when I get back to the real world, but I promise to take a look at it then. Sorry I can't be of more help right now. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, sorry for the late reply, my life has been somewhat hectic. I've looked at the edits, and at the editors statement on the talk page. His arguments, particular regarding "any encyclopedic interest in the event as it pertains to the school does not require ... names" are logical, but you could certainly argue against them; he cites "DO NO HARM" but his edits could be considered in violation of the [[Wikipedia:Do no harm#Neutral point of view|Do no harm#Neutral point of view]] guideline. I would certainly be interested to see other experienced editors opinions on the matter; I am certain you are not the only one who disagrees with him. I personally think it is not inappropriate to name names prior to conviction if they have been reported by reliable sources. I would certainly vote to include the names after any convictions were made, and will comment on the issue at the talk page if any convictions are made.

:If you think another users edits could be violating a guideline don't hesitate to say so and attempt to counter their arguments on the talk page; if it turns out you were wrong you at least learn something new about editing and if an agreement is not reached and you still think they are wrong after discussion consult a [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] process; I have found the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]] and [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] processes to be very helpful at getting more opinions and resolving disputes. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 12:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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==Notice of Dispute resolution discussion==
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:Are you still interested into following this discussion:[[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby_discussion]]? — [[User:Hahc21|'''ΛΧΣ''']][[User_talk:Hahc21|'''21'''™]] 03:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

:I respect you. You are willing to participate in meaningful discussions. I believe that you, 'adhere to guidelines'. I do not respect Grotekennis. Grotekennis, ignores Wiki P&Gs, editor comments, editor consensus, Reliable Source Noticeboard consensus and Dispute Resolution Noticeboard consensus and does what he wants to do. He demands 'scientific research' while dismissing and removing 'scientific research' which does not suit him. The summary of the finding of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby|Dispute resolution noticeboard]] presented by ΛΧΣ21 and supported by all the editors who participated is, "''all of the sources that have been added to the article and do not talk about the ACL should be removed and the content it was supposedly supported, removed too''" THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES currently [30] to [34] PROVIDED FOR THE PARAGRAPH DO NOT TALK ABOUT ACL. The 'volunteer' (who Grotekennis mentioned as justifying his edits) specifically said, "''the sources need to mention ACL or its affiliates related to the topic being discussed. Wikipedias guidelines on sources are very clear on this point''". THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES DO NOT MENTION ACL OR ITS AFFILIATES.

::Interestingly, last week Australia's Kirby Institute's Surveillance and Evaluation Program for Public Health at the University of New South Wales - released its latest scientific research. Refer HIV cases in Australia is on the rise http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hiv-cases-in-australia-is-on-the-rise/story-e6frg6n6-1226497432701 An interesting read. The head of the Institute, Associate Professor David Wilson, said the real rise in the number of cases, "was of concern". Jim Wallace's concern is further validated.

::Also interestingly the Jensen citation supporting Jim Wallace (also deleted) refers the need for 'compassion and objectivity' http://www.smh.com.au/national/anglican-archbishop-backs-christian-lobbys-gay-views-20120910-25ogi.html Jensen went on to say, "It's very hard to get to the facts here because we don't want to talk about it, and in this country censorship is alive and well".

::On another matter - on 13:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC) you said, "The ACL make a lot of outrageously distorted claims . . . ". I completely agree with the point you were making to Grotekennis - obviously he was not interested. However the euthanasia-trivial-reasons-example you used, which included the words, "absolutely absurd", "baseless scare tactic", may have been a bit strong considering [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] has said that, these casualties are tragic. Youth suicide is tragic - (in today's media) http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mental-health-experts-on-standby-for-schools-hit-by-suicide-as-part-of-federal-government-campaign/story-e6frf7kx-1226502696526

:Grotekennis is determined to get his way and in so doing undermines the credibility of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sam56mas|contribs]]) 12:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC) 

::Thanks for your comments. Grotekennis frustrates me also. I noticed what you mentioned regarding his edits and the only reason I haven't done anything about it is because I'm going on vacation tomorrow and I don't want to start any disputes before I go, but I certainly believe all references that do not mention the ACL should be removed, and I will remove these references myself once I get back from vacation if they are still there.

::Regarding your other comments: I'm happy to debate things in general if you like here. Providing opposing arguments are based on logic (as opposed to superstition, it really makes me angry when people say they are for/against something ONLY because their holy book says so) I often find it interesting to hear other peoples opinions on things, even if they differ greatly from my own.

::There is no doubt that homosexual men are far more likely to have HIV than heterosexual men. Conservative Christians mention this fact often. What I've never heard a conservative Christian mention, however, is the fact that homosexual women are far less likely to have HIV than heterosexual women. In the United States at least, there has never been a confirmed case of a women getting HIV through sex with another women [http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm] Jim Wallace says "the homosexual lifestyle has some disastrous health outcomes" and cites HIV as an example however HIV rates amongst women would undeniably drop if more women only had sex with women. The ACL often only tell half the story, give undue weight to certain facts and completely ignore information that harms their cause (this is hardly surprising, most lobby groups do this). I also find it incredibly appalling that Jim Wallace brings up the fact that LGBT people are far more likely to be depressed. Of course they are far more likely to be depressed in this country; our government and the ACL treat them like second class citizens! Rates of depression amongst LGBT people are lower in countries where gay marriage is legal. A guy I went to high school with posted this on Facebook after the gay marriage bill was voted down:

:::''To be completely honest, I don't know if I ever want/feel the need to get married, but to have a bunch of elected, "learned" people tell me that I am not worthy of the option because of a certain facet of me that I was born with and have no control over, actually almost overwhelms me to tears. And to read that Senator Cory Bernardi suggests gay marriage will lead to beastiality makes me feel the same pit in my stomach I felt as a teenager who struggled to accept who I am.''

::I'm not gay or even bisexual, to be perfectly honest I don't understand how men can be attracted to other men. But every moral fibre of my being tells me it is wrong to deprive someone of rights just because of what they have between their legs, and just FYI that's why I campaign for gay marriage.

::Regarding the euthanasia comments. Yes I agree my wording was harsher than it needed to be but this was because it was aimed at Grotekennis. I thought if I stressed how much I don't like the ACL he might value my opinion more (I don't think it worked, lol). I firmly stand by the general point I was making though. Legalising euthanasia for people who are already dying or people who have extremely poor quality of life with no chance of improvement (for example, quadriplegics) is not going to lead to to people legally getting assistance with euthanasia for trivial reasons. I understand some depressed people have used Nitschke's methods to kill themselves (despite the disclaimers he provides with this information) however this is, unfortunately, a fact of life. Some depressed people are going to attempt to take their own lives no matter what you do, and some people are always going to use information in a way it was not intended to be used. Example: I still have the chemistry textbook I bought when I was at University. Now if I wanted to I could use the information in that textbook to help me make a bomb or illegal drugs, but just because this information could potentially be abused shouldn't be a valid reason to censor chemistry. Have you read [[The Peaceful Pill Handbook]]? I'll post you a copy for free if you like. I'd assume it would be an interesting read even for people against euthanasia, but I can't exactly guarantee that of course. I'd make a comment about why I am for voluntary euthanasia, but instead i'll just advertise this website that you might find interesting: http://www.christiansforve.org.au I'm actually a member of this organisation and have worked with them in the past (openly as an atheist, they accept support from heathens lol).

::Well I'm logging out of wiki now and I won't be back for two weeks. See you then. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your detailed comments.

:::Re your: "I will remove these references myself . . . " Thank you. I have added a comment on the ACL talk page and at [[User_talk:Dominus_Vobisdu#ACL]]

:::My personal view on euthanasia is not based on 'superstition' and has not been formed 'ONLY because their holy book says so'. In my case, it is a belief in the dignity, the beauty and the fragility of life and a concern for the unknown flow-on effects for the elderly, (plus [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] comments) which causes me to believe we need to be very careful here. Others (obviously for various reasons) are concerned about euthanasia, for instance: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-lets-put-legalised-euthanasia-issue-down/story-e6frezz0-1226504473514

:::The matter of HIV and women - with respect - is a red herring and can be explained (for me) by issues as such as male promiscuity and male physiology.

:::The 'deprive someone of rights just because . . . ' is a simplistic characterisation of a much more complex situation. Detailed responses by others are available elsewhere. To respond to your question with a question > Why are there demands that the distinctions associated with 'LGBTI' must be disaggregated, while the distinctions associated with 'marriage' must be aggregated? To say depression in the LGTBI community (which I don't deny) is (largely?) caused by homophobia, seems to me to be primarily a blame-shifting exercise.

:::You mention quadriplegia. I have a friend who was very active and inspirational. He owns a successful project-home-building company. Two years ago, he crashed into another bike rider on a bike-track. He is now a quadriplegic - he remains an inspirational person. It can be a mental issue, rather than a physical issue. I know a number of depressed people and others 'on the edge' some with drug issues - some now dead - and of course the frail-elderly. As a society we should offer encouragement and support, rather than offering a chemical way out. A friend was telling me about a man she met a few years ago. Apparently he had no contact with his family. He had no contact with his children or grandchildren. He admitted he was very lonely. He was an active euthanasia advocate.

:::Your offered of a copy of the Peaceful pill handbook. Thanks, but no thanks. I can see enough here [[The_Peaceful_Pill_Handbook]] and http://www.peacefulpillhandbook.com/ plus links. Wikipedia notes: "Nitschke was involved in an argument in the press with the family of a woman suffering from post-natal depression who read the book and took the advice offered about travelling to Mexico. Her drawn-out death caused her family to attack the accuracy of the book's advice". I note: "This eBook is not intended for the mentally ill or depressed. Those with psychiatric conditions should contact their family physicians". Hardly reassuring to me that this sentence would prevent inappropriate use. Many people (as evidenced by determined Wikipedia editors) take little notice of what is written.

:::I have no problem with not continuing life by artificial means. I have no problem with criticism of ACL, providing it is done within the Wikipeda P&Gs. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 22:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

::::Just thought I'd clear a few things up. Firstly if you were offended I apologise - I wasn't trying to belittle you with the 'holy book' sentence, I've just had conversations with Christians before who openly admit they are only against homosexuality because the bible is against it, and they blindly obey the book regardless of how they personally feel about things. It's made me a bit defensive about debating with religious people.

::::Being for legalised euthanasia certainly does not make me want it as the first choice for anyone. If your friend is still happy to go on living as a quadriplegic that actually makes me happy, I just think people should have the option to die peacefully if they are not physically going to get better. I'm actually for euthanasia for very similar reasons to why you say you are against it, I believe in the beauty and dignity of life. I also believe encouragement and support should be offered first, but there are situations where encouragement and support are not going to help - some time ago I watched a close relative die from cancer slowly over several months. His quality of life was extremely poor; for the last few weeks he couldn't move his arms or his legs at all, and struggled to turn his head to look at us. Encouragement and support are not going to help here, I'm not 100% sure he knew where he was and what was happening in the last few days. By the time he died this person whom I loved had no dignity or beauty left, I was actually relieved when he died because that meant he didn't have to suffer anymore. If I get diagnosed with the same kind of terminal cancer I don't want to be forced to die like that, I'd like society to have some compassion and allow me to die peacefully at my own discretion. I want Australia to have the same euthanasia laws as [[Oregon Death with Dignity Act|Oregon]].

::::I'm certain there are factors other than homophobia and lack of rights for LGBTI people that cause depression, I wasn't trying to say all the blame lies with the ACL and people who share their opinions, I was trying to make a specific point. You see I often wonder, but I've never found out, if the ACL and their supporters actually realise how much damage they do to the mental health of gay people. I close friend of mine who is a lesbian was actually reduced to tears after reading comments made at the National Marriage Day (slippery slope to polygamy, comparison to paedophilia, gay marriage should be laughed at etc). The sentiment expressed in the comments my friend posted on Facebook are typical amongst how at least all the gay people I know react to lobbying against LGBT rights.

::::I understand moral objection to euthanasia and abortion. I do not understand objection to gay marriage. If you don't like gay marriage don't marry a gay person; problem solved. I remember reading an extract from an email the ACL sent out to their followers, in which they complained that they were losing the debate over gay marriage. I couldn't help but think, what on earth do the ACL think they are losing? If gay marriage becomes legal, the 40-something percent of Christians who are against gay marriage won't have lost anything. They still can get married in the manner they wish to, the only difference is now other people have the same rights they've always had. Why should we all be bound by a interpretation of marriage that only a particular group of Christians believe in? I just don't understand the ACL's position on LGBT rights, and neither do just over half of Christians according to recent polls. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thank you. I have no problem with people expressing, or respectfully promoting the views that they hold. I will get back to you in a few days, after I demonstrate something. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 23:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

::::::There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL. Fine. There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL, and who make sure that Wikipedia ACL is skewed towards their views. They are not interested in 'etiquette' or respect for Wikipedia policies or guidelines. (Other than demanding strict adherence by others). In my opinion you are not part of that second group. While you may be able to define what you mean by: Reproductive Rights, Marriage Equality and Right to Die, others (specifically the demand-for-change advocates) will see things differently, particularly in regards to the 'necessary limits' in each case. In each case, the 'rights' of others are involved. With complex, social-policy changes such as these, Australia (I believe) will not be able adequately define, let alone maintain restraints - any more than can 'democratic Wikipedia'. Rules, ethics and respect are of little concern to some people. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Peter Allgeier Article ==

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== Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions ==

Thanks for adding the Montanists to [[Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions]] - I believe that belongs there. I notice you didn't add the 1st century prediction, and I think that's probably the right decision. Not only is there a dispute over whether Jesus or Paul predicated an apocalyptic event, but also over what event(s) they might have been referring to. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks. Whilst I certainly think the 1st century "prediction" (or rather the way people reacted to it) is notable in itself, I agree it doesn't belong at that page either. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Saturday Night Live cast members|SNL]] list ==

Hi Freikorp. You and I were posting on the SNL talk page at the same time. You can see my comments there. Btw, I meant no offense in my edit comment; I simply said "please get consensus". I know you opened a discussion - which I really appreciate - but there was no participation. In any case, I do apologize if I hurt your feelings. Thanks and have a wonderful new year! --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to mention... great job on noticing the cross symbol being used. I totally agree with your thoughts on that. Also, you said "It's been two weeks since I removed the content, and your revert has been the first reaction". Although it's the first reaction, the reason is because the article is relatively inactive - it only gets a few edits a month, which is why I'm not surprised at all that there were no comments on the talk page. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC) 06:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Hi. No worries, I probably over-reacted a little - it's often hard to judge the sentiment people are expressing in the limited space an edit summary provides. Thanks for your comments on the talk page. To be honest I should have waited a bit longer for comments (and I usually do) but I though Christianising the deaths of non-Christians was particularly rude and when I went to change that I thought I may as well make the other proposed change at the same time. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Dami Mission==
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:Thanks for letting me know. I've addressed all the issues that have been mentioned, and am awaiting further comments/suggestions at the articles entry. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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:Thanks. Those page statistics made me laugh - I didn't even think to look at them. I'm not surprised they spiked around December 21, but I wasn't expecting it to be by that much. You might think this is really silly, but I'll tell you anyway - I guess I edit wikipedia for the same reason the overwhelming majority of editors would, but my motivation for working on this page was hoping that if the page was well written, had a large number of notable predictions, and was well referenced, people scared of apocalyptic events would read it, see how many false prediction there have been over the millennia, and maybe calm down a notch. I decided to do this after noticing how some people were reacting to Harold Camping's 2011 predictions. I hope a few people took the 2012 prediction a little less serious after reading the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks for the note. I'll be vigilant. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== [[Rikas tyttö]] ==

Thanks for creating the article. I was just about to write you about the red links. [[User:Widr|Widr]] ([[User talk:Widr|talk]]) 07:52, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. I was considering writing to you about the red links as well. As per [[Wikipedia:Red links]], red links shouldn't necessarily be deleted on sight, as they are helpful for indicating that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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==Shake and Bake==
Hey man, I'm sorry I didn't correctly cite the edit I made earlier today. I put my rationale in the talk page, but not in the edit description itself. All the pop culture stuff pertaining to [[Shake and Bake]] and not [[Shake 'n Bake]] I put in the disambiguation page. The Simpsons ref was the only one that actually had anything to do with the Kraft food product, which is why I left it. Would it be alright if I restored the edit? — [[User:Muckapedia|Muckapedia]] ([[User_talk:Muckapedia|talk]]) 14e mars 2013 16h23 (−4h)

:Hi. Sorry for the late reply. I missed your talk page explanation - now that I've seen it your edit makes sense, and I've restored it myself. Cheers for the message. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013 ==

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'''Membership report''' 
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:Thomas Cranmer|Thomas Cranmer]], [[User:Mr.Oglesby|Mr.Oglesby]], and [[User:Stylistica|Sneha Priscilla]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it.

'''From the Editor''' 

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of [[User:John Carter|John Carter]], and so [[User:Gilderien|I]] have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of [[Pope Benedict XVI]] and the election of [[Pope Francis]]. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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'''Church of the month''' 
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'''Contest of the month''' 
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests]], and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

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[[Grade I listed churches in Cumbria]] was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]], and the image above of the [[Church of Saint Ildefonso]] was promoted to featured picture status.

[[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], by [[User:Khazar2|Khazar2]], was promoted to GA status, as well [[Third Epistle of John]] by [[User:Cerebellum|Cerebellum]].

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included [[St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Marion Irvine]] by [[User:Giants2008|Giants2008]]; [[Margaret McKenna]] by [[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]]; [[Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity]] by [[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]]; [[St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Vester Egesborg Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Undløse Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St Martin's Church, Næstved]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St. Peter, Syburg]] by [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Østre Porsgrunn Church]] by [[User:Strachkvas|Strachkvas]]; [[Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Dami Mission]] by [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]]; [[Mechanicsburg Baptist Church]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Acheiropoietos Monastery]], by [[User:Proudbolsahye|Proudbolsahye]]; [[T. Lawrason Riggs]], by [[User:Gareth E Kegg|Gareth E Kegg]]; [[McColley's Chapel]], by [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]]; [[Oświęcim Chapel]], by [[User:BurgererSF|BurgererSF]]; [[Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]], by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn]], by [[User:Yakikaki|Yakikaki]]; [[Old Stone Congregational Church]], by [[User:Orlady|Orlady]]l [[Heath Chapel]], by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[St. Joseph's Church, Beijing]], by [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]]; [[Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton]], by [[User:Rodw|Rodw]]; and [[St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] also by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Usq-DJ2rKo Complete recording]

<center>[[Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22]], a cantata by the German composer [[J.S. Bach]], was promoted to GA this month and was written by [[USer:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]]. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.
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'''Spotlight''' 
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The Spotlight this month turns to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Jesus work group|the Jesus work group]]. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, [[Jesus Christ]] and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include [[Jesus]], [[Christ]], [[Resurrection of Jesus]], and [[Holy Grail]], whereas High-priority articles include [[Aramaic Language]], a former FA, as well as [[Sermon on the Mount]], [[Lamb of God]], and [[Passion (Christianity)]]. The workgroup has also published two books, covering [[Book:Christ's Final Days |Christ's final days]] and the [[Book:Parables of Jesus|Parables of Jesus]]. The workgroup has two GAs, [[Nativity scene]], and [[Jesus in Islam]], but unfortunately the flagship article, [[Jesus]] was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three [[WP:1.0]] articles, and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-25/WikiProject_report|WikiWork]] of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By [[user:Gilderien|Gilderien]]

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'''Calendar''' 
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes [[Easter Sunday]] in Western Christianity and both [[Lazarus Saturday]] and [[Palm Sunday]] for the [[Eastern Orthodox Church]]. Other major feasts in the next month include those of [[Saint George]], [[Saint Mark the Evangelist]], [[Saint Stanislaus]], [[James, son of Zebedee]], and [[ Benedict the Moor]].
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'''Help requests''' 
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

<center>''Ichthus'' is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by [[WP:X|WikiProject Christianity]] For submissions contact the [[WT:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Newsroom]] • To unsubscribe add yourself to the list [[WP:X/O|here]] [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 13:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</center>
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== [[Australian Christian Lobby#Controversy and criticism]] ==

"members of the public"

Is a broad sweeping statement without factual evidence

There is no subsequent balance or context

"A group of Australian Christians"

There are millions, which group?

How is a segment of 250 people form a public narrative?

All questions I would like answered in the sake of fairness..... — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Greenmixa|Greenmixa]] ([[User talk:Greenmixa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenmixa|contribs]]) 02:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC) 

:Your edits have been contested by other users as well, and the criteria for inclusion or criticism and support of ACL's action has been an long contested debate, therefore it would be best for this conversation to take place on the ACL talk page, where other users can join in on the debate. I will move the conversation there. Also in the future please sign your comments with 4 ~'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Ways to improve Revolving Door (song) ==

Hi, I'm EagerToddler39. Freikorp, thanks for creating [[Revolving Door (song)]]!

I've just tagged the page, using our [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|page curation]] tools, as having some issues to fix. You base information on the reception of the song solely on what a Christian Genze. Other opinions needed to ensure a fair article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on [[User talk:EagerToddler39|my talk page]]. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at [[WP:TEAHOUSE|the Teahouse]].

==Your DYK nomination==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Losing Chase]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  --[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 15:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

{{tb|Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase}}--[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 18:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Losing Chase==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

== DYK Nomination of Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards ==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! (Sorry, I meant to post this when I reviewed the nomination, but apparently never hit the "save" button...). [[User:Canadian Paul|Canadian]] [[User talk:Canadian Paul|Paul]] 22:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== Re: Slutdrop ==

Hey there, sorry for the late response but I wanted to get a [[User_talk:PraetorianFury#Slutdrop|third opinion first]]. It's true that I didn't read the entire article at [[Slutdrop]], so I didn't want it to appear as though I was defending a mistaken revert. But besides the initial reasoning given, there are other problems with linking to Slutdrop. It is very tangentially related, and only by an opinionated claim made by someone at the Guardian. No one has explicitly made the connection between Slutwalks and Slutdrops in the sources. That's why I don't think it's an appropriate addition to the article at this time, with the sources available. [[User:PraetorianFury|PraetorianFury]] ([[User talk:PraetorianFury|talk]]) 17:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. If you had of reverted it saying "this is only tangentially related" I would have just let it go, it was just the fact you incorrectly stated it had nothing with reclaiming the word pushed one of my buttons a bit. Thanks for getting a third opinion; no hard feelings. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Slutdrop==
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}} [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Sandy MacGregor==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for The Discipline of Market Leaders==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Fifth Element ==

Just wanted to say great work overhauling the article, but please note that the awards section will need to be sourced, whether it's one citation used for all of the awards or individual citations as appropriate. While more tedious, the advantage of the latter approach would be that if editors change the awards table later it will still (hopefully) be clear which awards track to which sources. Happy Editing! [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 13:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks. The awards currently listed that don't have individual references are 6 of the 7 Cesar awards and 1 of the 4 Saturn awards. I'm going to assume the reference I posted on the talk page will be sufficient to cover all of them until someone tells me otherwise; I'll add it to the result column. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 14:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:I've found and added a few more individual references, so the only awards currently listed missing an individual reference are the 4 Cesar awards that it was nominated for but didn't win. If it turns out the blanket reference I found fails [[WP:RS]] removing those four nominations won't be such a big deal. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Order of Chiang Chung-Cheng]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Gbawden|Gbawden]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>You should consider joining the Orders, Decorations and Medals WikiProject</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Gbawden's [[User talk:Gbawden|talk page]].

Learn more about [[Wikipedia:New Pages Feed/Help|page curation]].

:Hi Gbawden. I appreciate the invite, and I'll take a look at the project once I've tied up all the things on my to-do list. I thought I should let you know that I am certainly no subject matter expert on awards though. I created the 'Order of Wen-Hu' as I had created the page for [[R.V.C. Bodley]], who won the award, and I found enough references to start a page for the award whilst searching for references on Bodley. I then created the other 4 awards as somebody added the 'Republic of China honours system' template to the Wen-Hu article, and the fact that the template was almost completely full or redlinks at the time annoyed me to the point of doing something about it :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Blockbuster Entertainment Awards==
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}} '''[[User:Harrias|Harrias]]''' [[User_talk:Harrias|talk]] 00:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for What Remains==
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}} '''[[User:Spinningspark|Spinning]][[User talk:Spinningspark|Spark''']]''' 01:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Stentor]] ==

I want to thank you for your last post at this discussion.  It was unusually helpful to my understanding.  Regarding the closing, I find it incomprehensible.  FYI, [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 00:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks, it retrospect I should have just boldly redirected the article instead of nominating for deletion. Considering the official website is clearly offline (leaving me wondering if the magazine is even still produced or not) which means the only sources the article had to begin with are now dead, I have redirected the article back to [[Lake Forest College]] anyway. If you think that is not appropriate feel free to let me know, I am happy to discuss the matter. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::Being dead doesn't change the fact that they are sources, it just makes it harder to locate copies.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::I support your bold redirect.  Coming after a keep closure, I think any objection needs to be given due respect.  Such seems unlikely since there are no known secondary sources, but time will tell.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards==
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== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Revolution Overdrive: Songs of Liberty]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>I reviewed your page and passed it. Great article. Just a reminder that it is an orphan and you should add links to it.</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Falkirks's [[User talk:Falkirks|talk page]].

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==DYK for Kaboom: The Suicide Bombing Game==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

==National Atlas of the United States DYK? Nomination==
I have now responded to you here--[[Template:Did you know nominations/National Atlas of the United States]]. Please take a look at my response and the things that I fixed for this DYK? nomination whenever you'll have the time. Thank you very much. [[User:Futurist110|Futurist110]] ([[User talk:Futurist110|talk]]) 00:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

== A cup of coffee for you! ==

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:You're welcome. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for You Can't Stop Me==
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== Filemover ==

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I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A{{PAGENAMEU}} granted] file mover rights to your account following either a request for those rights or a clear need for the ability to move files. For information on the file mover rights and under what circumstances it is okay to move files, see [[Wikipedia:File mover]]. If you do not want file mover rights anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. [[User talk:INeverCry|INeverCry]] 21:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Why thank you, again :). It certainly is nice to get recognition for the article. Come to think of it I haven't worked on converting the list of potential candidates on the article's talk page over to the actual article for a while now. I think I'll start working on that again soon. I gave up on my idea of writing a book about drug-related deaths. It was getting too difficult to find offline sources, not to mention it was time consuming, plus I knew I'd never make my money back (I was just doing it out of interest) so I figured I'd just stick to writing about in on wiki. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Eugene Tonkonogy==
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:Congrats man. And I know where the connection came from. ;) [[Special:Contributions/71.246.157.102|71.246.157.102]] ([[User talk:71.246.157.102|talk]]) 00:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

:: :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

== GA review started ==

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== Leigh Leigh ==
The book is "Who Killed Leigh Leigh?" by Kerry Carrington. I bought it from Amazon a month ago. It gives further information about the murder but it was published in 1998. I'm interested in this murder case also. It's kinda weird because I'm from Turkey and I've never been to Australia actually. ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 15:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

:Interesting, but understandable, I've taken interest in several articles regarding incidents on the other side of the planet. Anyway thanks a lot for the information :). [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for La Promenade du sceptique==
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A file that you uploaded or altered, [[:File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion]]. Please see the [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 November 18#File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg|'''discussion''']] to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you.  —[[User:Koavf|Justin (ko'''a'''vf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 19:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

:Cheers for the notification. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== About your 3O request ==

I'm a regular volunteer at the [[WP:3O|Third Opinion project]]. Your request has been removed due to the lack of any recent, much less thorough, talk page discussion about the dispute. Indeed, there's an argument to be made that when there's been no editing or discussion about a dispute for a considerable period of time that consensus by silence or by acquiescence has occurred and that there is no longer a dispute at all. Consensus can, of course, change: you can raise the issue again at the article talk page or start a [[WP:RFC|request for comments]], and if you come to an impasse then try dispute resolution, but at this point in time there's really nothing for dispute resolution to handle. Regards, [[User:TransporterMan|'''TransporterMan''']] ([[User talk:TransporterMan|TALK]]) 16:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

:Thanks for the information. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 22:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
==Orphaned non-free image File:Ralph (magazine).jpg==
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:Issue resolved. For some reason even though the image was being used on an article it was not counted as such. I managed to fix this issue be changing the way the image was formatted on the associated article. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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--[[Special:Contributions/173.59.201.71|173.59.201.71]] ([[User talk:173.59.201.71|talk]]) 16:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

:Just for archival purposes i'd like to mention that this discussion was closed before I was made aware of its existence. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Access Ministries ==

Freikorp, you were asking about a reliable source for my edit? will this do? I am a bit new to this editing stuff! It is a statement form their website...
http://www.accessministries.org.au/news/id/19
[[User:Integrity+accuracy|Integrity+accuracy]] ([[User talk:Integrity+accuracy|talk]]) 05:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:It's a little bit of a grey area because it's a a self-published source with an obvious bias on the subject. As per [[WP:SELFPUB]], a self-published source, such as the Access Ministries official website, cannot be used to say anything about itself that is unduly self-serving. On one hand Access' claim that schools were simply not counted on the census is plausible. On the other hand Access have a vested interest in keeping their supporters morale high, so we also have to take into considerate that they may be stretching the truth to keep their supporters happy. The information currently in the article regarding the drop in attendance is presented as an accepted fact because it comes from a [[Wikipedia:Third-party sources|third party source]] that has no obvious bias on the subject (whether they are correct or not is irrelevant, they are an unbiased source so whatever they say will have much more weight than any primary source). Third party sources are ALWAYS preferred to primary sources. However since the claim is not outrageous, and it is a direct response to the media coverage already reported in the article, so as long as we present the information as according to Access Ministries, as opposed to an accepted fact, it should be fine, but others may disagree with me.

:As you have no doubt noticed, there is currently a lot of criticism about Access Ministries in the article, however, this is perfectly acceptable as all criticism is presented from mainstream third party sources that have no obvious agenda for or against Access Ministries, and each source is only used to support one sentence of information (It could be considered a violation of [[WP:Undue weight]] to write several sentences of criticism or praise using one source only). Accordingly if you wish to say favourable things about Access Ministries in the article, you will also have to also find mainstream sources. Christian websites and publications would be considered biased sources if they are used to say anything that promotes Access Ministries or their agenda. This policy swings both ways; I cannot use Atheist publications or activist websites like [http://religionsinschool.com FIRIS] to say anything negative about Access, as they are biased against the subject.

:Just a disclaimer, I am a supporter of FIRIS and accordingly I strongly oppose what Access Ministries do, but I have been editing wikipedia for years before I had heard of either Access of FIRIS, and I believe in the concept of Wikipedia, being that it should be a neutral encyclopaedia, free from bias. Naturally I tend to read and edit articles about things that interest me or are important to me, but I always try to do so without letting my feelings override any of wikipedia's guidelines. So if you need any advice on editing the article feel free to ask me. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

::Hold on. I just noticed something that I missed earlier. Access' numbers don't add up. The source you give does not dispute the mainstream media's original figure of 940 schools, they only dispute the final figure of 666 (their figure is 780), but they say that the fall in attendance was less than 5% over 3 years. A fall from 940 to 780 is a decrease of over 17%, not less than 5%. I think this is extremely strong evidence that Access is lying about something (either the number 780 or the percentage fall, one or the other, not sure which). Accordingly I no longer consider this source reliable for anything, and don't feel comfortable about it being used in the article. So my vote on this issue is now currently a 'No'. In my opinion you'll need a better source. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 09:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Another editor has since found a reliable source to back up your statement, so it looks like this issue is resolved now. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 21:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

== In The Name Of The King ==

Hi! Just a heads up that I removed your plot summary tag on [[In the Name of the King]]. I did a new plot summary completely from scratch that comes out of my local copy's word count as 4004 bytes and 618 words. Check it out, please! [[User:Featherwinglove|Featherwinglove]] ([[User talk:Featherwinglove|talk]]) 02:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

:No worries. It looks pretty good. Having not seen the film, I can't comment on how accurate it is or isn't (I found the article simply by looking through other films by Uwe Boll, having been a fan of his film Rampage, and upon noticing how overly long the old plot was simply added the tag.) Anyway, well done. Keep up the good work. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 06:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the notification. The image was removed from the article in question by another user, citing [[MOS:FILM]]. I am not contesting its removal or subsequent nomination for deletion. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

==[[Template:Did you know nominations/Nitro]]==
Your DYK review is incomplete. Please see nomination page. Thanks, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:Ditto for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mischief Makers]]. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for letting me know. Last time I reviewed for DYK (some time ago) I don't believe articles upgraded to GA were eligible for nomination. I assumed they would follow the same standards as new articles. I'll review what needs to be looked at this afternoon, and hopefully i'll be able to review it properly. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 23:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks. We are seeing a number of GA nominations lately that do not meet DYK criteria, especially in the area of [[WP:Close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]]. Some reviewers use the Dup Detector tool located to the right of the hook on the template page to check for close paraphrasing; I personally look up the sources and compare the writing. In the case of [[Mischief Makers]], the page creator is copying words and sentence structure a lot. That's okay if he would quote them directly, but to follow the language in the sources so closely is a cause for concern at DYK. Best, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 21:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Staircase model==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Staircase model]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Staircase model|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 00:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for the notification. I believe i've now resolved the issue. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Staircase model==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:21, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Thank you so much, it was actually the first new article i'd written in several months. :) I had just recently heard about the model and was surprised to not find an article on wikipedia about it already. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 18:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
::Great! I'm glad I got the chance to read it. Keep up the good work. [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]] (<big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|'''☎''']]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|'''✎''']]) 03:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Death in the West==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Jailbait ==

Just create a new nominations page for it. Though this time I would strongly advise you not to use any pictures with the nom. '''[[User:The C of E|The C of E God Save the Queen!]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 07:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for replying. Mandarax actually just reopened it, but I agree, the picture was a bad call. Certainly won't be pushing to have one included in the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Murder of Leigh Leigh ==

Congratulations to you for your work in this article. I'm glad that this article is nominated for [[WP:DYK|DYK]]. I'm still interested in this murder but I haven't got any further information since last year. I realised that there isn't any video footage on the Internet about this case and last year, I sent an e - mail to Crime and Investigation Australia for the possibility of making a documentary of it. They replied me that they'll see. Also I wanted to look some old articles from Newcastle Herald and I sent an e - mail to them too, but they hadn't replied. So, as I'm living in Turkey, I have no other choice that having further information. I'm so glad that you got the book and used it for improving this article. I think you did a great job. :) ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 22:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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== Query on [[Yeshivah College, Australia|Yeshiva College]] edits by DGG ==

Can you please look at the Talk pages and edits by DGG on Yeshiva College and let me know if that is legit and reasonable. I don't like the censorship going on unless there has been a breach of guidelines.

Can you reply by email to me mikeybear69@gmail.com if possible.

Thanks.

Michael.
[[User:Mikeybear|Mikey Bear]] ([[User talk:Mikeybear|talk]]) 02:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, thanks for contacting me. Unfortunately due to my work commitments until July 22nd I will be unable to access internet for long enough to look at anything right now. Basically I'm a fair bit off the beaten track at the moment and every few days when I get back to the civilised world I only have a few minutes to check emails before I have to get back to work. I know the issue may no longer be active in 2 weeks when I get back to the real world, but I promise to take a look at it then. Sorry I can't be of more help right now. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, sorry for the late reply, my life has been somewhat hectic. I've looked at the edits, and at the editors statement on the talk page. His arguments, particular regarding "any encyclopedic interest in the event as it pertains to the school does not require ... names" are logical, but you could certainly argue against them; he cites "DO NO HARM" but his edits could be considered in violation of the [[Wikipedia:Do no harm#Neutral point of view|Do no harm#Neutral point of view]] guideline. I would certainly be interested to see other experienced editors opinions on the matter; I am certain you are not the only one who disagrees with him. I personally think it is not inappropriate to name names prior to conviction if they have been reported by reliable sources. I would certainly vote to include the names after any convictions were made, and will comment on the issue at the talk page if any convictions are made.

:If you think another users edits could be violating a guideline don't hesitate to say so and attempt to counter their arguments on the talk page; if it turns out you were wrong you at least learn something new about editing and if an agreement is not reached and you still think they are wrong after discussion consult a [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] process; I have found the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]] and [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] processes to be very helpful at getting more opinions and resolving disputes. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 12:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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:Are you still interested into following this discussion:[[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby_discussion]]? — [[User:Hahc21|'''ΛΧΣ''']][[User_talk:Hahc21|'''21'''™]] 03:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

:I respect you. You are willing to participate in meaningful discussions. I believe that you, 'adhere to guidelines'. I do not respect Grotekennis. Grotekennis, ignores Wiki P&Gs, editor comments, editor consensus, Reliable Source Noticeboard consensus and Dispute Resolution Noticeboard consensus and does what he wants to do. He demands 'scientific research' while dismissing and removing 'scientific research' which does not suit him. The summary of the finding of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby|Dispute resolution noticeboard]] presented by ΛΧΣ21 and supported by all the editors who participated is, "''all of the sources that have been added to the article and do not talk about the ACL should be removed and the content it was supposedly supported, removed too''" THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES currently [30] to [34] PROVIDED FOR THE PARAGRAPH DO NOT TALK ABOUT ACL. The 'volunteer' (who Grotekennis mentioned as justifying his edits) specifically said, "''the sources need to mention ACL or its affiliates related to the topic being discussed. Wikipedias guidelines on sources are very clear on this point''". THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES DO NOT MENTION ACL OR ITS AFFILIATES.

::Interestingly, last week Australia's Kirby Institute's Surveillance and Evaluation Program for Public Health at the University of New South Wales - released its latest scientific research. Refer HIV cases in Australia is on the rise http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hiv-cases-in-australia-is-on-the-rise/story-e6frg6n6-1226497432701 An interesting read. The head of the Institute, Associate Professor David Wilson, said the real rise in the number of cases, "was of concern". Jim Wallace's concern is further validated.

::Also interestingly the Jensen citation supporting Jim Wallace (also deleted) refers the need for 'compassion and objectivity' http://www.smh.com.au/national/anglican-archbishop-backs-christian-lobbys-gay-views-20120910-25ogi.html Jensen went on to say, "It's very hard to get to the facts here because we don't want to talk about it, and in this country censorship is alive and well".

::On another matter - on 13:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC) you said, "The ACL make a lot of outrageously distorted claims . . . ". I completely agree with the point you were making to Grotekennis - obviously he was not interested. However the euthanasia-trivial-reasons-example you used, which included the words, "absolutely absurd", "baseless scare tactic", may have been a bit strong considering [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] has said that, these casualties are tragic. Youth suicide is tragic - (in today's media) http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mental-health-experts-on-standby-for-schools-hit-by-suicide-as-part-of-federal-government-campaign/story-e6frf7kx-1226502696526

:Grotekennis is determined to get his way and in so doing undermines the credibility of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sam56mas|contribs]]) 12:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC) 

::Thanks for your comments. Grotekennis frustrates me also. I noticed what you mentioned regarding his edits and the only reason I haven't done anything about it is because I'm going on vacation tomorrow and I don't want to start any disputes before I go, but I certainly believe all references that do not mention the ACL should be removed, and I will remove these references myself once I get back from vacation if they are still there.

::Regarding your other comments: I'm happy to debate things in general if you like here. Providing opposing arguments are based on logic (as opposed to superstition, it really makes me angry when people say they are for/against something ONLY because their holy book says so) I often find it interesting to hear other peoples opinions on things, even if they differ greatly from my own.

::There is no doubt that homosexual men are far more likely to have HIV than heterosexual men. Conservative Christians mention this fact often. What I've never heard a conservative Christian mention, however, is the fact that homosexual women are far less likely to have HIV than heterosexual women. In the United States at least, there has never been a confirmed case of a women getting HIV through sex with another women [http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm] Jim Wallace says "the homosexual lifestyle has some disastrous health outcomes" and cites HIV as an example however HIV rates amongst women would undeniably drop if more women only had sex with women. The ACL often only tell half the story, give undue weight to certain facts and completely ignore information that harms their cause (this is hardly surprising, most lobby groups do this). I also find it incredibly appalling that Jim Wallace brings up the fact that LGBT people are far more likely to be depressed. Of course they are far more likely to be depressed in this country; our government and the ACL treat them like second class citizens! Rates of depression amongst LGBT people are lower in countries where gay marriage is legal. A guy I went to high school with posted this on Facebook after the gay marriage bill was voted down:

:::''To be completely honest, I don't know if I ever want/feel the need to get married, but to have a bunch of elected, "learned" people tell me that I am not worthy of the option because of a certain facet of me that I was born with and have no control over, actually almost overwhelms me to tears. And to read that Senator Cory Bernardi suggests gay marriage will lead to beastiality makes me feel the same pit in my stomach I felt as a teenager who struggled to accept who I am.''

::I'm not gay or even bisexual, to be perfectly honest I don't understand how men can be attracted to other men. But every moral fibre of my being tells me it is wrong to deprive someone of rights just because of what they have between their legs, and just FYI that's why I campaign for gay marriage.

::Regarding the euthanasia comments. Yes I agree my wording was harsher than it needed to be but this was because it was aimed at Grotekennis. I thought if I stressed how much I don't like the ACL he might value my opinion more (I don't think it worked, lol). I firmly stand by the general point I was making though. Legalising euthanasia for people who are already dying or people who have extremely poor quality of life with no chance of improvement (for example, quadriplegics) is not going to lead to to people legally getting assistance with euthanasia for trivial reasons. I understand some depressed people have used Nitschke's methods to kill themselves (despite the disclaimers he provides with this information) however this is, unfortunately, a fact of life. Some depressed people are going to attempt to take their own lives no matter what you do, and some people are always going to use information in a way it was not intended to be used. Example: I still have the chemistry textbook I bought when I was at University. Now if I wanted to I could use the information in that textbook to help me make a bomb or illegal drugs, but just because this information could potentially be abused shouldn't be a valid reason to censor chemistry. Have you read [[The Peaceful Pill Handbook]]? I'll post you a copy for free if you like. I'd assume it would be an interesting read even for people against euthanasia, but I can't exactly guarantee that of course. I'd make a comment about why I am for voluntary euthanasia, but instead i'll just advertise this website that you might find interesting: http://www.christiansforve.org.au I'm actually a member of this organisation and have worked with them in the past (openly as an atheist, they accept support from heathens lol).

::Well I'm logging out of wiki now and I won't be back for two weeks. See you then. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your detailed comments.

:::Re your: "I will remove these references myself . . . " Thank you. I have added a comment on the ACL talk page and at [[User_talk:Dominus_Vobisdu#ACL]]

:::My personal view on euthanasia is not based on 'superstition' and has not been formed 'ONLY because their holy book says so'. In my case, it is a belief in the dignity, the beauty and the fragility of life and a concern for the unknown flow-on effects for the elderly, (plus [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] comments) which causes me to believe we need to be very careful here. Others (obviously for various reasons) are concerned about euthanasia, for instance: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-lets-put-legalised-euthanasia-issue-down/story-e6frezz0-1226504473514

:::The matter of HIV and women - with respect - is a red herring and can be explained (for me) by issues as such as male promiscuity and male physiology.

:::The 'deprive someone of rights just because . . . ' is a simplistic characterisation of a much more complex situation. Detailed responses by others are available elsewhere. To respond to your question with a question > Why are there demands that the distinctions associated with 'LGBTI' must be disaggregated, while the distinctions associated with 'marriage' must be aggregated? To say depression in the LGTBI community (which I don't deny) is (largely?) caused by homophobia, seems to me to be primarily a blame-shifting exercise.

:::You mention quadriplegia. I have a friend who was very active and inspirational. He owns a successful project-home-building company. Two years ago, he crashed into another bike rider on a bike-track. He is now a quadriplegic - he remains an inspirational person. It can be a mental issue, rather than a physical issue. I know a number of depressed people and others 'on the edge' some with drug issues - some now dead - and of course the frail-elderly. As a society we should offer encouragement and support, rather than offering a chemical way out. A friend was telling me about a man she met a few years ago. Apparently he had no contact with his family. He had no contact with his children or grandchildren. He admitted he was very lonely. He was an active euthanasia advocate.

:::Your offered of a copy of the Peaceful pill handbook. Thanks, but no thanks. I can see enough here [[The_Peaceful_Pill_Handbook]] and http://www.peacefulpillhandbook.com/ plus links. Wikipedia notes: "Nitschke was involved in an argument in the press with the family of a woman suffering from post-natal depression who read the book and took the advice offered about travelling to Mexico. Her drawn-out death caused her family to attack the accuracy of the book's advice". I note: "This eBook is not intended for the mentally ill or depressed. Those with psychiatric conditions should contact their family physicians". Hardly reassuring to me that this sentence would prevent inappropriate use. Many people (as evidenced by determined Wikipedia editors) take little notice of what is written.

:::I have no problem with not continuing life by artificial means. I have no problem with criticism of ACL, providing it is done within the Wikipeda P&Gs. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 22:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

::::Just thought I'd clear a few things up. Firstly if you were offended I apologise - I wasn't trying to belittle you with the 'holy book' sentence, I've just had conversations with Christians before who openly admit they are only against homosexuality because the bible is against it, and they blindly obey the book regardless of how they personally feel about things. It's made me a bit defensive about debating with religious people.

::::Being for legalised euthanasia certainly does not make me want it as the first choice for anyone. If your friend is still happy to go on living as a quadriplegic that actually makes me happy, I just think people should have the option to die peacefully if they are not physically going to get better. I'm actually for euthanasia for very similar reasons to why you say you are against it, I believe in the beauty and dignity of life. I also believe encouragement and support should be offered first, but there are situations where encouragement and support are not going to help - some time ago I watched a close relative die from cancer slowly over several months. His quality of life was extremely poor; for the last few weeks he couldn't move his arms or his legs at all, and struggled to turn his head to look at us. Encouragement and support are not going to help here, I'm not 100% sure he knew where he was and what was happening in the last few days. By the time he died this person whom I loved had no dignity or beauty left, I was actually relieved when he died because that meant he didn't have to suffer anymore. If I get diagnosed with the same kind of terminal cancer I don't want to be forced to die like that, I'd like society to have some compassion and allow me to die peacefully at my own discretion. I want Australia to have the same euthanasia laws as [[Oregon Death with Dignity Act|Oregon]].

::::I'm certain there are factors other than homophobia and lack of rights for LGBTI people that cause depression, I wasn't trying to say all the blame lies with the ACL and people who share their opinions, I was trying to make a specific point. You see I often wonder, but I've never found out, if the ACL and their supporters actually realise how much damage they do to the mental health of gay people. I close friend of mine who is a lesbian was actually reduced to tears after reading comments made at the National Marriage Day (slippery slope to polygamy, comparison to paedophilia, gay marriage should be laughed at etc). The sentiment expressed in the comments my friend posted on Facebook are typical amongst how at least all the gay people I know react to lobbying against LGBT rights.

::::I understand moral objection to euthanasia and abortion. I do not understand objection to gay marriage. If you don't like gay marriage don't marry a gay person; problem solved. I remember reading an extract from an email the ACL sent out to their followers, in which they complained that they were losing the debate over gay marriage. I couldn't help but think, what on earth do the ACL think they are losing? If gay marriage becomes legal, the 40-something percent of Christians who are against gay marriage won't have lost anything. They still can get married in the manner they wish to, the only difference is now other people have the same rights they've always had. Why should we all be bound by a interpretation of marriage that only a particular group of Christians believe in? I just don't understand the ACL's position on LGBT rights, and neither do just over half of Christians according to recent polls. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thank you. I have no problem with people expressing, or respectfully promoting the views that they hold. I will get back to you in a few days, after I demonstrate something. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 23:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

::::::There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL. Fine. There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL, and who make sure that Wikipedia ACL is skewed towards their views. They are not interested in 'etiquette' or respect for Wikipedia policies or guidelines. (Other than demanding strict adherence by others). In my opinion you are not part of that second group. While you may be able to define what you mean by: Reproductive Rights, Marriage Equality and Right to Die, others (specifically the demand-for-change advocates) will see things differently, particularly in regards to the 'necessary limits' in each case. In each case, the 'rights' of others are involved. With complex, social-policy changes such as these, Australia (I believe) will not be able adequately define, let alone maintain restraints - any more than can 'democratic Wikipedia'. Rules, ethics and respect are of little concern to some people. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Peter Allgeier Article ==

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== Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions ==

Thanks for adding the Montanists to [[Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions]] - I believe that belongs there. I notice you didn't add the 1st century prediction, and I think that's probably the right decision. Not only is there a dispute over whether Jesus or Paul predicated an apocalyptic event, but also over what event(s) they might have been referring to. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks. Whilst I certainly think the 1st century "prediction" (or rather the way people reacted to it) is notable in itself, I agree it doesn't belong at that page either. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Saturday Night Live cast members|SNL]] list ==

Hi Freikorp. You and I were posting on the SNL talk page at the same time. You can see my comments there. Btw, I meant no offense in my edit comment; I simply said "please get consensus". I know you opened a discussion - which I really appreciate - but there was no participation. In any case, I do apologize if I hurt your feelings. Thanks and have a wonderful new year! --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to mention... great job on noticing the cross symbol being used. I totally agree with your thoughts on that. Also, you said "It's been two weeks since I removed the content, and your revert has been the first reaction". Although it's the first reaction, the reason is because the article is relatively inactive - it only gets a few edits a month, which is why I'm not surprised at all that there were no comments on the talk page. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC) 06:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Hi. No worries, I probably over-reacted a little - it's often hard to judge the sentiment people are expressing in the limited space an edit summary provides. Thanks for your comments on the talk page. To be honest I should have waited a bit longer for comments (and I usually do) but I though Christianising the deaths of non-Christians was particularly rude and when I went to change that I thought I may as well make the other proposed change at the same time. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Dami Mission==
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:Thanks for letting me know. I've addressed all the issues that have been mentioned, and am awaiting further comments/suggestions at the articles entry. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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:Thanks. Those page statistics made me laugh - I didn't even think to look at them. I'm not surprised they spiked around December 21, but I wasn't expecting it to be by that much. You might think this is really silly, but I'll tell you anyway - I guess I edit wikipedia for the same reason the overwhelming majority of editors would, but my motivation for working on this page was hoping that if the page was well written, had a large number of notable predictions, and was well referenced, people scared of apocalyptic events would read it, see how many false prediction there have been over the millennia, and maybe calm down a notch. I decided to do this after noticing how some people were reacting to Harold Camping's 2011 predictions. I hope a few people took the 2012 prediction a little less serious after reading the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks for the note. I'll be vigilant. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== [[Rikas tyttö]] ==

Thanks for creating the article. I was just about to write you about the red links. [[User:Widr|Widr]] ([[User talk:Widr|talk]]) 07:52, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. I was considering writing to you about the red links as well. As per [[Wikipedia:Red links]], red links shouldn't necessarily be deleted on sight, as they are helpful for indicating that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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==Shake and Bake==
Hey man, I'm sorry I didn't correctly cite the edit I made earlier today. I put my rationale in the talk page, but not in the edit description itself. All the pop culture stuff pertaining to [[Shake and Bake]] and not [[Shake 'n Bake]] I put in the disambiguation page. The Simpsons ref was the only one that actually had anything to do with the Kraft food product, which is why I left it. Would it be alright if I restored the edit? — [[User:Muckapedia|Muckapedia]] ([[User_talk:Muckapedia|talk]]) 14e mars 2013 16h23 (−4h)

:Hi. Sorry for the late reply. I missed your talk page explanation - now that I've seen it your edit makes sense, and I've restored it myself. Cheers for the message. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013 ==

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'''Membership report''' 
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:Thomas Cranmer|Thomas Cranmer]], [[User:Mr.Oglesby|Mr.Oglesby]], and [[User:Stylistica|Sneha Priscilla]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it.

'''From the Editor''' 

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of [[User:John Carter|John Carter]], and so [[User:Gilderien|I]] have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of [[Pope Benedict XVI]] and the election of [[Pope Francis]]. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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'''Church of the month''' 
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'''Contest of the month''' 
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests]], and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

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[[Grade I listed churches in Cumbria]] was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]], and the image above of the [[Church of Saint Ildefonso]] was promoted to featured picture status.

[[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], by [[User:Khazar2|Khazar2]], was promoted to GA status, as well [[Third Epistle of John]] by [[User:Cerebellum|Cerebellum]].

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included [[St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Marion Irvine]] by [[User:Giants2008|Giants2008]]; [[Margaret McKenna]] by [[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]]; [[Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity]] by [[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]]; [[St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Vester Egesborg Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Undløse Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St Martin's Church, Næstved]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St. Peter, Syburg]] by [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Østre Porsgrunn Church]] by [[User:Strachkvas|Strachkvas]]; [[Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Dami Mission]] by [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]]; [[Mechanicsburg Baptist Church]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Acheiropoietos Monastery]], by [[User:Proudbolsahye|Proudbolsahye]]; [[T. Lawrason Riggs]], by [[User:Gareth E Kegg|Gareth E Kegg]]; [[McColley's Chapel]], by [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]]; [[Oświęcim Chapel]], by [[User:BurgererSF|BurgererSF]]; [[Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]], by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn]], by [[User:Yakikaki|Yakikaki]]; [[Old Stone Congregational Church]], by [[User:Orlady|Orlady]]l [[Heath Chapel]], by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[St. Joseph's Church, Beijing]], by [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]]; [[Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton]], by [[User:Rodw|Rodw]]; and [[St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] also by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Usq-DJ2rKo Complete recording]

<center>[[Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22]], a cantata by the German composer [[J.S. Bach]], was promoted to GA this month and was written by [[USer:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]]. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.
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'''Spotlight''' 
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The Spotlight this month turns to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Jesus work group|the Jesus work group]]. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, [[Jesus Christ]] and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include [[Jesus]], [[Christ]], [[Resurrection of Jesus]], and [[Holy Grail]], whereas High-priority articles include [[Aramaic Language]], a former FA, as well as [[Sermon on the Mount]], [[Lamb of God]], and [[Passion (Christianity)]]. The workgroup has also published two books, covering [[Book:Christ's Final Days |Christ's final days]] and the [[Book:Parables of Jesus|Parables of Jesus]]. The workgroup has two GAs, [[Nativity scene]], and [[Jesus in Islam]], but unfortunately the flagship article, [[Jesus]] was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three [[WP:1.0]] articles, and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-25/WikiProject_report|WikiWork]] of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By [[user:Gilderien|Gilderien]]

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'''Calendar''' 
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes [[Easter Sunday]] in Western Christianity and both [[Lazarus Saturday]] and [[Palm Sunday]] for the [[Eastern Orthodox Church]]. Other major feasts in the next month include those of [[Saint George]], [[Saint Mark the Evangelist]], [[Saint Stanislaus]], [[James, son of Zebedee]], and [[ Benedict the Moor]].
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'''Help requests''' 
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

<center>''Ichthus'' is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by [[WP:X|WikiProject Christianity]] For submissions contact the [[WT:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Newsroom]] • To unsubscribe add yourself to the list [[WP:X/O|here]] [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 13:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</center>
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== [[Australian Christian Lobby#Controversy and criticism]] ==

"members of the public"

Is a broad sweeping statement without factual evidence

There is no subsequent balance or context

"A group of Australian Christians"

There are millions, which group?

How is a segment of 250 people form a public narrative?

All questions I would like answered in the sake of fairness..... — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Greenmixa|Greenmixa]] ([[User talk:Greenmixa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenmixa|contribs]]) 02:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC) 

:Your edits have been contested by other users as well, and the criteria for inclusion or criticism and support of ACL's action has been an long contested debate, therefore it would be best for this conversation to take place on the ACL talk page, where other users can join in on the debate. I will move the conversation there. Also in the future please sign your comments with 4 ~'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Ways to improve Revolving Door (song) ==

Hi, I'm EagerToddler39. Freikorp, thanks for creating [[Revolving Door (song)]]!

I've just tagged the page, using our [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|page curation]] tools, as having some issues to fix. You base information on the reception of the song solely on what a Christian Genze. Other opinions needed to ensure a fair article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on [[User talk:EagerToddler39|my talk page]]. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at [[WP:TEAHOUSE|the Teahouse]].

==Your DYK nomination==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Losing Chase]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  --[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 15:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

{{tb|Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase}}--[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 18:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Losing Chase==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

== DYK Nomination of Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards ==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! (Sorry, I meant to post this when I reviewed the nomination, but apparently never hit the "save" button...). [[User:Canadian Paul|Canadian]] [[User talk:Canadian Paul|Paul]] 22:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== Re: Slutdrop ==

Hey there, sorry for the late response but I wanted to get a [[User_talk:PraetorianFury#Slutdrop|third opinion first]]. It's true that I didn't read the entire article at [[Slutdrop]], so I didn't want it to appear as though I was defending a mistaken revert. But besides the initial reasoning given, there are other problems with linking to Slutdrop. It is very tangentially related, and only by an opinionated claim made by someone at the Guardian. No one has explicitly made the connection between Slutwalks and Slutdrops in the sources. That's why I don't think it's an appropriate addition to the article at this time, with the sources available. [[User:PraetorianFury|PraetorianFury]] ([[User talk:PraetorianFury|talk]]) 17:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. If you had of reverted it saying "this is only tangentially related" I would have just let it go, it was just the fact you incorrectly stated it had nothing with reclaiming the word pushed one of my buttons a bit. Thanks for getting a third opinion; no hard feelings. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Slutdrop==
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}} [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Sandy MacGregor==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for The Discipline of Market Leaders==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Fifth Element ==

Just wanted to say great work overhauling the article, but please note that the awards section will need to be sourced, whether it's one citation used for all of the awards or individual citations as appropriate. While more tedious, the advantage of the latter approach would be that if editors change the awards table later it will still (hopefully) be clear which awards track to which sources. Happy Editing! [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 13:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks. The awards currently listed that don't have individual references are 6 of the 7 Cesar awards and 1 of the 4 Saturn awards. I'm going to assume the reference I posted on the talk page will be sufficient to cover all of them until someone tells me otherwise; I'll add it to the result column. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 14:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:I've found and added a few more individual references, so the only awards currently listed missing an individual reference are the 4 Cesar awards that it was nominated for but didn't win. If it turns out the blanket reference I found fails [[WP:RS]] removing those four nominations won't be such a big deal. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Order of Chiang Chung-Cheng]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Gbawden|Gbawden]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>You should consider joining the Orders, Decorations and Medals WikiProject</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Gbawden's [[User talk:Gbawden|talk page]].

Learn more about [[Wikipedia:New Pages Feed/Help|page curation]].

:Hi Gbawden. I appreciate the invite, and I'll take a look at the project once I've tied up all the things on my to-do list. I thought I should let you know that I am certainly no subject matter expert on awards though. I created the 'Order of Wen-Hu' as I had created the page for [[R.V.C. Bodley]], who won the award, and I found enough references to start a page for the award whilst searching for references on Bodley. I then created the other 4 awards as somebody added the 'Republic of China honours system' template to the Wen-Hu article, and the fact that the template was almost completely full or redlinks at the time annoyed me to the point of doing something about it :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Blockbuster Entertainment Awards==
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}} '''[[User:Harrias|Harrias]]''' [[User_talk:Harrias|talk]] 00:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for What Remains==
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}} '''[[User:Spinningspark|Spinning]][[User talk:Spinningspark|Spark''']]''' 01:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Stentor]] ==

I want to thank you for your last post at this discussion.  It was unusually helpful to my understanding.  Regarding the closing, I find it incomprehensible.  FYI, [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 00:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks, it retrospect I should have just boldly redirected the article instead of nominating for deletion. Considering the official website is clearly offline (leaving me wondering if the magazine is even still produced or not) which means the only sources the article had to begin with are now dead, I have redirected the article back to [[Lake Forest College]] anyway. If you think that is not appropriate feel free to let me know, I am happy to discuss the matter. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::Being dead doesn't change the fact that they are sources, it just makes it harder to locate copies.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::I support your bold redirect.  Coming after a keep closure, I think any objection needs to be given due respect.  Such seems unlikely since there are no known secondary sources, but time will tell.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards==
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== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Revolution Overdrive: Songs of Liberty]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>I reviewed your page and passed it. Great article. Just a reminder that it is an orphan and you should add links to it.</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Falkirks's [[User talk:Falkirks|talk page]].

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==DYK for Kaboom: The Suicide Bombing Game==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

==National Atlas of the United States DYK? Nomination==
I have now responded to you here--[[Template:Did you know nominations/National Atlas of the United States]]. Please take a look at my response and the things that I fixed for this DYK? nomination whenever you'll have the time. Thank you very much. [[User:Futurist110|Futurist110]] ([[User talk:Futurist110|talk]]) 00:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

== A cup of coffee for you! ==

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:You're welcome. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for You Can't Stop Me==
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== Filemover ==

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I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A{{PAGENAMEU}} granted] file mover rights to your account following either a request for those rights or a clear need for the ability to move files. For information on the file mover rights and under what circumstances it is okay to move files, see [[Wikipedia:File mover]]. If you do not want file mover rights anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. [[User talk:INeverCry|INeverCry]] 21:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Why thank you, again :). It certainly is nice to get recognition for the article. Come to think of it I haven't worked on converting the list of potential candidates on the article's talk page over to the actual article for a while now. I think I'll start working on that again soon. I gave up on my idea of writing a book about drug-related deaths. It was getting too difficult to find offline sources, not to mention it was time consuming, plus I knew I'd never make my money back (I was just doing it out of interest) so I figured I'd just stick to writing about in on wiki. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Eugene Tonkonogy==
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:Congrats man. And I know where the connection came from. ;) [[Special:Contributions/71.246.157.102|71.246.157.102]] ([[User talk:71.246.157.102|talk]]) 00:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

:: :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

== GA review started ==

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== Leigh Leigh ==
The book is "Who Killed Leigh Leigh?" by Kerry Carrington. I bought it from Amazon a month ago. It gives further information about the murder but it was published in 1998. I'm interested in this murder case also. It's kinda weird because I'm from Turkey and I've never been to Australia actually. ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 15:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

:Interesting, but understandable, I've taken interest in several articles regarding incidents on the other side of the planet. Anyway thanks a lot for the information :). [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for La Promenade du sceptique==
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A file that you uploaded or altered, [[:File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion]]. Please see the [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 November 18#File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg|'''discussion''']] to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you.  —[[User:Koavf|Justin (ko'''a'''vf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 19:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

:Cheers for the notification. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== About your 3O request ==

I'm a regular volunteer at the [[WP:3O|Third Opinion project]]. Your request has been removed due to the lack of any recent, much less thorough, talk page discussion about the dispute. Indeed, there's an argument to be made that when there's been no editing or discussion about a dispute for a considerable period of time that consensus by silence or by acquiescence has occurred and that there is no longer a dispute at all. Consensus can, of course, change: you can raise the issue again at the article talk page or start a [[WP:RFC|request for comments]], and if you come to an impasse then try dispute resolution, but at this point in time there's really nothing for dispute resolution to handle. Regards, [[User:TransporterMan|'''TransporterMan''']] ([[User talk:TransporterMan|TALK]]) 16:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

:Thanks for the information. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 22:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
==Orphaned non-free image File:Ralph (magazine).jpg==
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:Issue resolved. For some reason even though the image was being used on an article it was not counted as such. I managed to fix this issue be changing the way the image was formatted on the associated article. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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:Just for archival purposes i'd like to mention that this discussion was closed before I was made aware of its existence. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Access Ministries ==

Freikorp, you were asking about a reliable source for my edit? will this do? I am a bit new to this editing stuff! It is a statement form their website...
http://www.accessministries.org.au/news/id/19
[[User:Integrity+accuracy|Integrity+accuracy]] ([[User talk:Integrity+accuracy|talk]]) 05:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:It's a little bit of a grey area because it's a a self-published source with an obvious bias on the subject. As per [[WP:SELFPUB]], a self-published source, such as the Access Ministries official website, cannot be used to say anything about itself that is unduly self-serving. On one hand Access' claim that schools were simply not counted on the census is plausible. On the other hand Access have a vested interest in keeping their supporters morale high, so we also have to take into considerate that they may be stretching the truth to keep their supporters happy. The information currently in the article regarding the drop in attendance is presented as an accepted fact because it comes from a [[Wikipedia:Third-party sources|third party source]] that has no obvious bias on the subject (whether they are correct or not is irrelevant, they are an unbiased source so whatever they say will have much more weight than any primary source). Third party sources are ALWAYS preferred to primary sources. However since the claim is not outrageous, and it is a direct response to the media coverage already reported in the article, so as long as we present the information as according to Access Ministries, as opposed to an accepted fact, it should be fine, but others may disagree with me.

:As you have no doubt noticed, there is currently a lot of criticism about Access Ministries in the article, however, this is perfectly acceptable as all criticism is presented from mainstream third party sources that have no obvious agenda for or against Access Ministries, and each source is only used to support one sentence of information (It could be considered a violation of [[WP:Undue weight]] to write several sentences of criticism or praise using one source only). Accordingly if you wish to say favourable things about Access Ministries in the article, you will also have to also find mainstream sources. Christian websites and publications would be considered biased sources if they are used to say anything that promotes Access Ministries or their agenda. This policy swings both ways; I cannot use Atheist publications or activist websites like [http://religionsinschool.com FIRIS] to say anything negative about Access, as they are biased against the subject.

:Just a disclaimer, I am a supporter of FIRIS and accordingly I strongly oppose what Access Ministries do, but I have been editing wikipedia for years before I had heard of either Access of FIRIS, and I believe in the concept of Wikipedia, being that it should be a neutral encyclopaedia, free from bias. Naturally I tend to read and edit articles about things that interest me or are important to me, but I always try to do so without letting my feelings override any of wikipedia's guidelines. So if you need any advice on editing the article feel free to ask me. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

::Hold on. I just noticed something that I missed earlier. Access' numbers don't add up. The source you give does not dispute the mainstream media's original figure of 940 schools, they only dispute the final figure of 666 (their figure is 780), but they say that the fall in attendance was less than 5% over 3 years. A fall from 940 to 780 is a decrease of over 17%, not less than 5%. I think this is extremely strong evidence that Access is lying about something (either the number 780 or the percentage fall, one or the other, not sure which). Accordingly I no longer consider this source reliable for anything, and don't feel comfortable about it being used in the article. So my vote on this issue is now currently a 'No'. In my opinion you'll need a better source. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 09:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Another editor has since found a reliable source to back up your statement, so it looks like this issue is resolved now. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 21:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

== In The Name Of The King ==

Hi! Just a heads up that I removed your plot summary tag on [[In the Name of the King]]. I did a new plot summary completely from scratch that comes out of my local copy's word count as 4004 bytes and 618 words. Check it out, please! [[User:Featherwinglove|Featherwinglove]] ([[User talk:Featherwinglove|talk]]) 02:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

:No worries. It looks pretty good. Having not seen the film, I can't comment on how accurate it is or isn't (I found the article simply by looking through other films by Uwe Boll, having been a fan of his film Rampage, and upon noticing how overly long the old plot was simply added the tag.) Anyway, well done. Keep up the good work. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 06:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the notification. The image was removed from the article in question by another user, citing [[MOS:FILM]]. I am not contesting its removal or subsequent nomination for deletion. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

==[[Template:Did you know nominations/Nitro]]==
Your DYK review is incomplete. Please see nomination page. Thanks, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:Ditto for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mischief Makers]]. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for letting me know. Last time I reviewed for DYK (some time ago) I don't believe articles upgraded to GA were eligible for nomination. I assumed they would follow the same standards as new articles. I'll review what needs to be looked at this afternoon, and hopefully i'll be able to review it properly. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 23:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks. We are seeing a number of GA nominations lately that do not meet DYK criteria, especially in the area of [[WP:Close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]]. Some reviewers use the Dup Detector tool located to the right of the hook on the template page to check for close paraphrasing; I personally look up the sources and compare the writing. In the case of [[Mischief Makers]], the page creator is copying words and sentence structure a lot. That's okay if he would quote them directly, but to follow the language in the sources so closely is a cause for concern at DYK. Best, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 21:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Staircase model==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Staircase model]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Staircase model|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 00:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for the notification. I believe i've now resolved the issue. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Staircase model==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:21, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Thank you so much, it was actually the first new article i'd written in several months. :) I had just recently heard about the model and was surprised to not find an article on wikipedia about it already. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 18:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
::Great! I'm glad I got the chance to read it. Keep up the good work. [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]] (<big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|'''☎''']]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|'''✎''']]) 03:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Death in the West==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Jailbait ==

Just create a new nominations page for it. Though this time I would strongly advise you not to use any pictures with the nom. '''[[User:The C of E|The C of E God Save the Queen!]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 07:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for replying. Mandarax actually just reopened it, but I agree, the picture was a bad call. Certainly won't be pushing to have one included in the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Murder of Leigh Leigh ==

Congratulations to you for your work in this article. I'm glad that this article is nominated for [[WP:DYK|DYK]]. I'm still interested in this murder but I haven't got any further information since last year. I realised that there isn't any video footage on the Internet about this case and last year, I sent an e - mail to Crime and Investigation Australia for the possibility of making a documentary of it. They replied me that they'll see. Also I wanted to look some old articles from Newcastle Herald and I sent an e - mail to them too, but they hadn't replied. So, as I'm living in Turkey, I have no other choice that having further information. I'm so glad that you got the book and used it for improving this article. I think you did a great job. :) ([[User:MaddyRockFan|MaddyRockFan]]) 22:17, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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== Query on [[Yeshivah College, Australia|Yeshiva College]] edits by DGG ==

Can you please look at the Talk pages and edits by DGG on Yeshiva College and let me know if that is legit and reasonable. I don't like the censorship going on unless there has been a breach of guidelines.

Can you reply by email to me mikeybear69@gmail.com if possible.

Thanks.

Michael.
[[User:Mikeybear|Mikey Bear]] ([[User talk:Mikeybear|talk]]) 02:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, thanks for contacting me. Unfortunately due to my work commitments until July 22nd I will be unable to access internet for long enough to look at anything right now. Basically I'm a fair bit off the beaten track at the moment and every few days when I get back to the civilised world I only have a few minutes to check emails before I have to get back to work. I know the issue may no longer be active in 2 weeks when I get back to the real world, but I promise to take a look at it then. Sorry I can't be of more help right now. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, sorry for the late reply, my life has been somewhat hectic. I've looked at the edits, and at the editors statement on the talk page. His arguments, particular regarding "any encyclopedic interest in the event as it pertains to the school does not require ... names" are logical, but you could certainly argue against them; he cites "DO NO HARM" but his edits could be considered in violation of the [[Wikipedia:Do no harm#Neutral point of view|Do no harm#Neutral point of view]] guideline. I would certainly be interested to see other experienced editors opinions on the matter; I am certain you are not the only one who disagrees with him. I personally think it is not inappropriate to name names prior to conviction if they have been reported by reliable sources. I would certainly vote to include the names after any convictions were made, and will comment on the issue at the talk page if any convictions are made.

:If you think another users edits could be violating a guideline don't hesitate to say so and attempt to counter their arguments on the talk page; if it turns out you were wrong you at least learn something new about editing and if an agreement is not reached and you still think they are wrong after discussion consult a [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] process; I have found the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]] and [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] processes to be very helpful at getting more opinions and resolving disputes. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 12:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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:Are you still interested into following this discussion:[[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby_discussion]]? — [[User:Hahc21|'''ΛΧΣ''']][[User_talk:Hahc21|'''21'''™]] 03:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

:I respect you. You are willing to participate in meaningful discussions. I believe that you, 'adhere to guidelines'. I do not respect Grotekennis. Grotekennis, ignores Wiki P&Gs, editor comments, editor consensus, Reliable Source Noticeboard consensus and Dispute Resolution Noticeboard consensus and does what he wants to do. He demands 'scientific research' while dismissing and removing 'scientific research' which does not suit him. The summary of the finding of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby|Dispute resolution noticeboard]] presented by ΛΧΣ21 and supported by all the editors who participated is, "''all of the sources that have been added to the article and do not talk about the ACL should be removed and the content it was supposedly supported, removed too''" THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES currently [30] to [34] PROVIDED FOR THE PARAGRAPH DO NOT TALK ABOUT ACL. The 'volunteer' (who Grotekennis mentioned as justifying his edits) specifically said, "''the sources need to mention ACL or its affiliates related to the topic being discussed. Wikipedias guidelines on sources are very clear on this point''". THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES DO NOT MENTION ACL OR ITS AFFILIATES.

::Interestingly, last week Australia's Kirby Institute's Surveillance and Evaluation Program for Public Health at the University of New South Wales - released its latest scientific research. Refer HIV cases in Australia is on the rise http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hiv-cases-in-australia-is-on-the-rise/story-e6frg6n6-1226497432701 An interesting read. The head of the Institute, Associate Professor David Wilson, said the real rise in the number of cases, "was of concern". Jim Wallace's concern is further validated.

::Also interestingly the Jensen citation supporting Jim Wallace (also deleted) refers the need for 'compassion and objectivity' http://www.smh.com.au/national/anglican-archbishop-backs-christian-lobbys-gay-views-20120910-25ogi.html Jensen went on to say, "It's very hard to get to the facts here because we don't want to talk about it, and in this country censorship is alive and well".

::On another matter - on 13:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC) you said, "The ACL make a lot of outrageously distorted claims . . . ". I completely agree with the point you were making to Grotekennis - obviously he was not interested. However the euthanasia-trivial-reasons-example you used, which included the words, "absolutely absurd", "baseless scare tactic", may have been a bit strong considering [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] has said that, these casualties are tragic. Youth suicide is tragic - (in today's media) http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mental-health-experts-on-standby-for-schools-hit-by-suicide-as-part-of-federal-government-campaign/story-e6frf7kx-1226502696526

:Grotekennis is determined to get his way and in so doing undermines the credibility of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sam56mas|contribs]]) 12:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC) 

::Thanks for your comments. Grotekennis frustrates me also. I noticed what you mentioned regarding his edits and the only reason I haven't done anything about it is because I'm going on vacation tomorrow and I don't want to start any disputes before I go, but I certainly believe all references that do not mention the ACL should be removed, and I will remove these references myself once I get back from vacation if they are still there.

::Regarding your other comments: I'm happy to debate things in general if you like here. Providing opposing arguments are based on logic (as opposed to superstition, it really makes me angry when people say they are for/against something ONLY because their holy book says so) I often find it interesting to hear other peoples opinions on things, even if they differ greatly from my own.

::There is no doubt that homosexual men are far more likely to have HIV than heterosexual men. Conservative Christians mention this fact often. What I've never heard a conservative Christian mention, however, is the fact that homosexual women are far less likely to have HIV than heterosexual women. In the United States at least, there has never been a confirmed case of a women getting HIV through sex with another women [http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm] Jim Wallace says "the homosexual lifestyle has some disastrous health outcomes" and cites HIV as an example however HIV rates amongst women would undeniably drop if more women only had sex with women. The ACL often only tell half the story, give undue weight to certain facts and completely ignore information that harms their cause (this is hardly surprising, most lobby groups do this). I also find it incredibly appalling that Jim Wallace brings up the fact that LGBT people are far more likely to be depressed. Of course they are far more likely to be depressed in this country; our government and the ACL treat them like second class citizens! Rates of depression amongst LGBT people are lower in countries where gay marriage is legal. A guy I went to high school with posted this on Facebook after the gay marriage bill was voted down:

:::''To be completely honest, I don't know if I ever want/feel the need to get married, but to have a bunch of elected, "learned" people tell me that I am not worthy of the option because of a certain facet of me that I was born with and have no control over, actually almost overwhelms me to tears. And to read that Senator Cory Bernardi suggests gay marriage will lead to beastiality makes me feel the same pit in my stomach I felt as a teenager who struggled to accept who I am.''

::I'm not gay or even bisexual, to be perfectly honest I don't understand how men can be attracted to other men. But every moral fibre of my being tells me it is wrong to deprive someone of rights just because of what they have between their legs, and just FYI that's why I campaign for gay marriage.

::Regarding the euthanasia comments. Yes I agree my wording was harsher than it needed to be but this was because it was aimed at Grotekennis. I thought if I stressed how much I don't like the ACL he might value my opinion more (I don't think it worked, lol). I firmly stand by the general point I was making though. Legalising euthanasia for people who are already dying or people who have extremely poor quality of life with no chance of improvement (for example, quadriplegics) is not going to lead to to people legally getting assistance with euthanasia for trivial reasons. I understand some depressed people have used Nitschke's methods to kill themselves (despite the disclaimers he provides with this information) however this is, unfortunately, a fact of life. Some depressed people are going to attempt to take their own lives no matter what you do, and some people are always going to use information in a way it was not intended to be used. Example: I still have the chemistry textbook I bought when I was at University. Now if I wanted to I could use the information in that textbook to help me make a bomb or illegal drugs, but just because this information could potentially be abused shouldn't be a valid reason to censor chemistry. Have you read [[The Peaceful Pill Handbook]]? I'll post you a copy for free if you like. I'd assume it would be an interesting read even for people against euthanasia, but I can't exactly guarantee that of course. I'd make a comment about why I am for voluntary euthanasia, but instead i'll just advertise this website that you might find interesting: http://www.christiansforve.org.au I'm actually a member of this organisation and have worked with them in the past (openly as an atheist, they accept support from heathens lol).

::Well I'm logging out of wiki now and I won't be back for two weeks. See you then. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your detailed comments.

:::Re your: "I will remove these references myself . . . " Thank you. I have added a comment on the ACL talk page and at [[User_talk:Dominus_Vobisdu#ACL]]

:::My personal view on euthanasia is not based on 'superstition' and has not been formed 'ONLY because their holy book says so'. In my case, it is a belief in the dignity, the beauty and the fragility of life and a concern for the unknown flow-on effects for the elderly, (plus [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] comments) which causes me to believe we need to be very careful here. Others (obviously for various reasons) are concerned about euthanasia, for instance: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-lets-put-legalised-euthanasia-issue-down/story-e6frezz0-1226504473514

:::The matter of HIV and women - with respect - is a red herring and can be explained (for me) by issues as such as male promiscuity and male physiology.

:::The 'deprive someone of rights just because . . . ' is a simplistic characterisation of a much more complex situation. Detailed responses by others are available elsewhere. To respond to your question with a question > Why are there demands that the distinctions associated with 'LGBTI' must be disaggregated, while the distinctions associated with 'marriage' must be aggregated? To say depression in the LGTBI community (which I don't deny) is (largely?) caused by homophobia, seems to me to be primarily a blame-shifting exercise.

:::You mention quadriplegia. I have a friend who was very active and inspirational. He owns a successful project-home-building company. Two years ago, he crashed into another bike rider on a bike-track. He is now a quadriplegic - he remains an inspirational person. It can be a mental issue, rather than a physical issue. I know a number of depressed people and others 'on the edge' some with drug issues - some now dead - and of course the frail-elderly. As a society we should offer encouragement and support, rather than offering a chemical way out. A friend was telling me about a man she met a few years ago. Apparently he had no contact with his family. He had no contact with his children or grandchildren. He admitted he was very lonely. He was an active euthanasia advocate.

:::Your offered of a copy of the Peaceful pill handbook. Thanks, but no thanks. I can see enough here [[The_Peaceful_Pill_Handbook]] and http://www.peacefulpillhandbook.com/ plus links. Wikipedia notes: "Nitschke was involved in an argument in the press with the family of a woman suffering from post-natal depression who read the book and took the advice offered about travelling to Mexico. Her drawn-out death caused her family to attack the accuracy of the book's advice". I note: "This eBook is not intended for the mentally ill or depressed. Those with psychiatric conditions should contact their family physicians". Hardly reassuring to me that this sentence would prevent inappropriate use. Many people (as evidenced by determined Wikipedia editors) take little notice of what is written.

:::I have no problem with not continuing life by artificial means. I have no problem with criticism of ACL, providing it is done within the Wikipeda P&Gs. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 22:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

::::Just thought I'd clear a few things up. Firstly if you were offended I apologise - I wasn't trying to belittle you with the 'holy book' sentence, I've just had conversations with Christians before who openly admit they are only against homosexuality because the bible is against it, and they blindly obey the book regardless of how they personally feel about things. It's made me a bit defensive about debating with religious people.

::::Being for legalised euthanasia certainly does not make me want it as the first choice for anyone. If your friend is still happy to go on living as a quadriplegic that actually makes me happy, I just think people should have the option to die peacefully if they are not physically going to get better. I'm actually for euthanasia for very similar reasons to why you say you are against it, I believe in the beauty and dignity of life. I also believe encouragement and support should be offered first, but there are situations where encouragement and support are not going to help - some time ago I watched a close relative die from cancer slowly over several months. His quality of life was extremely poor; for the last few weeks he couldn't move his arms or his legs at all, and struggled to turn his head to look at us. Encouragement and support are not going to help here, I'm not 100% sure he knew where he was and what was happening in the last few days. By the time he died this person whom I loved had no dignity or beauty left, I was actually relieved when he died because that meant he didn't have to suffer anymore. If I get diagnosed with the same kind of terminal cancer I don't want to be forced to die like that, I'd like society to have some compassion and allow me to die peacefully at my own discretion. I want Australia to have the same euthanasia laws as [[Oregon Death with Dignity Act|Oregon]].

::::I'm certain there are factors other than homophobia and lack of rights for LGBTI people that cause depression, I wasn't trying to say all the blame lies with the ACL and people who share their opinions, I was trying to make a specific point. You see I often wonder, but I've never found out, if the ACL and their supporters actually realise how much damage they do to the mental health of gay people. I close friend of mine who is a lesbian was actually reduced to tears after reading comments made at the National Marriage Day (slippery slope to polygamy, comparison to paedophilia, gay marriage should be laughed at etc). The sentiment expressed in the comments my friend posted on Facebook are typical amongst how at least all the gay people I know react to lobbying against LGBT rights.

::::I understand moral objection to euthanasia and abortion. I do not understand objection to gay marriage. If you don't like gay marriage don't marry a gay person; problem solved. I remember reading an extract from an email the ACL sent out to their followers, in which they complained that they were losing the debate over gay marriage. I couldn't help but think, what on earth do the ACL think they are losing? If gay marriage becomes legal, the 40-something percent of Christians who are against gay marriage won't have lost anything. They still can get married in the manner they wish to, the only difference is now other people have the same rights they've always had. Why should we all be bound by a interpretation of marriage that only a particular group of Christians believe in? I just don't understand the ACL's position on LGBT rights, and neither do just over half of Christians according to recent polls. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thank you. I have no problem with people expressing, or respectfully promoting the views that they hold. I will get back to you in a few days, after I demonstrate something. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 23:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

::::::There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL. Fine. There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL, and who make sure that Wikipedia ACL is skewed towards their views. They are not interested in 'etiquette' or respect for Wikipedia policies or guidelines. (Other than demanding strict adherence by others). In my opinion you are not part of that second group. While you may be able to define what you mean by: Reproductive Rights, Marriage Equality and Right to Die, others (specifically the demand-for-change advocates) will see things differently, particularly in regards to the 'necessary limits' in each case. In each case, the 'rights' of others are involved. With complex, social-policy changes such as these, Australia (I believe) will not be able adequately define, let alone maintain restraints - any more than can 'democratic Wikipedia'. Rules, ethics and respect are of little concern to some people. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Peter Allgeier Article ==

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== Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions ==

Thanks for adding the Montanists to [[Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions]] - I believe that belongs there. I notice you didn't add the 1st century prediction, and I think that's probably the right decision. Not only is there a dispute over whether Jesus or Paul predicated an apocalyptic event, but also over what event(s) they might have been referring to. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks. Whilst I certainly think the 1st century "prediction" (or rather the way people reacted to it) is notable in itself, I agree it doesn't belong at that page either. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Saturday Night Live cast members|SNL]] list ==

Hi Freikorp. You and I were posting on the SNL talk page at the same time. You can see my comments there. Btw, I meant no offense in my edit comment; I simply said "please get consensus". I know you opened a discussion - which I really appreciate - but there was no participation. In any case, I do apologize if I hurt your feelings. Thanks and have a wonderful new year! --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to mention... great job on noticing the cross symbol being used. I totally agree with your thoughts on that. Also, you said "It's been two weeks since I removed the content, and your revert has been the first reaction". Although it's the first reaction, the reason is because the article is relatively inactive - it only gets a few edits a month, which is why I'm not surprised at all that there were no comments on the talk page. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC) 06:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Hi. No worries, I probably over-reacted a little - it's often hard to judge the sentiment people are expressing in the limited space an edit summary provides. Thanks for your comments on the talk page. To be honest I should have waited a bit longer for comments (and I usually do) but I though Christianising the deaths of non-Christians was particularly rude and when I went to change that I thought I may as well make the other proposed change at the same time. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Dami Mission==
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:Thanks for letting me know. I've addressed all the issues that have been mentioned, and am awaiting further comments/suggestions at the articles entry. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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:Thanks. Those page statistics made me laugh - I didn't even think to look at them. I'm not surprised they spiked around December 21, but I wasn't expecting it to be by that much. You might think this is really silly, but I'll tell you anyway - I guess I edit wikipedia for the same reason the overwhelming majority of editors would, but my motivation for working on this page was hoping that if the page was well written, had a large number of notable predictions, and was well referenced, people scared of apocalyptic events would read it, see how many false prediction there have been over the millennia, and maybe calm down a notch. I decided to do this after noticing how some people were reacting to Harold Camping's 2011 predictions. I hope a few people took the 2012 prediction a little less serious after reading the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks for the note. I'll be vigilant. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== [[Rikas tyttö]] ==

Thanks for creating the article. I was just about to write you about the red links. [[User:Widr|Widr]] ([[User talk:Widr|talk]]) 07:52, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. I was considering writing to you about the red links as well. As per [[Wikipedia:Red links]], red links shouldn't necessarily be deleted on sight, as they are helpful for indicating that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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==Shake and Bake==
Hey man, I'm sorry I didn't correctly cite the edit I made earlier today. I put my rationale in the talk page, but not in the edit description itself. All the pop culture stuff pertaining to [[Shake and Bake]] and not [[Shake 'n Bake]] I put in the disambiguation page. The Simpsons ref was the only one that actually had anything to do with the Kraft food product, which is why I left it. Would it be alright if I restored the edit? — [[User:Muckapedia|Muckapedia]] ([[User_talk:Muckapedia|talk]]) 14e mars 2013 16h23 (−4h)

:Hi. Sorry for the late reply. I missed your talk page explanation - now that I've seen it your edit makes sense, and I've restored it myself. Cheers for the message. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013 ==

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'''Membership report''' 
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:Thomas Cranmer|Thomas Cranmer]], [[User:Mr.Oglesby|Mr.Oglesby]], and [[User:Stylistica|Sneha Priscilla]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it.

'''From the Editor''' 

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of [[User:John Carter|John Carter]], and so [[User:Gilderien|I]] have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of [[Pope Benedict XVI]] and the election of [[Pope Francis]]. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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'''Church of the month''' 
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'''Contest of the month''' 
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests]], and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

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[[Grade I listed churches in Cumbria]] was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]], and the image above of the [[Church of Saint Ildefonso]] was promoted to featured picture status.

[[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], by [[User:Khazar2|Khazar2]], was promoted to GA status, as well [[Third Epistle of John]] by [[User:Cerebellum|Cerebellum]].

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included [[St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Marion Irvine]] by [[User:Giants2008|Giants2008]]; [[Margaret McKenna]] by [[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]]; [[Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity]] by [[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]]; [[St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Vester Egesborg Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Undløse Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St Martin's Church, Næstved]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St. Peter, Syburg]] by [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Østre Porsgrunn Church]] by [[User:Strachkvas|Strachkvas]]; [[Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Dami Mission]] by [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]]; [[Mechanicsburg Baptist Church]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Acheiropoietos Monastery]], by [[User:Proudbolsahye|Proudbolsahye]]; [[T. Lawrason Riggs]], by [[User:Gareth E Kegg|Gareth E Kegg]]; [[McColley's Chapel]], by [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]]; [[Oświęcim Chapel]], by [[User:BurgererSF|BurgererSF]]; [[Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]], by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn]], by [[User:Yakikaki|Yakikaki]]; [[Old Stone Congregational Church]], by [[User:Orlady|Orlady]]l [[Heath Chapel]], by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[St. Joseph's Church, Beijing]], by [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]]; [[Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton]], by [[User:Rodw|Rodw]]; and [[St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] also by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Usq-DJ2rKo Complete recording]

<center>[[Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22]], a cantata by the German composer [[J.S. Bach]], was promoted to GA this month and was written by [[USer:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]]. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.
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'''Spotlight''' 
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The Spotlight this month turns to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Jesus work group|the Jesus work group]]. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, [[Jesus Christ]] and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include [[Jesus]], [[Christ]], [[Resurrection of Jesus]], and [[Holy Grail]], whereas High-priority articles include [[Aramaic Language]], a former FA, as well as [[Sermon on the Mount]], [[Lamb of God]], and [[Passion (Christianity)]]. The workgroup has also published two books, covering [[Book:Christ's Final Days |Christ's final days]] and the [[Book:Parables of Jesus|Parables of Jesus]]. The workgroup has two GAs, [[Nativity scene]], and [[Jesus in Islam]], but unfortunately the flagship article, [[Jesus]] was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three [[WP:1.0]] articles, and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-25/WikiProject_report|WikiWork]] of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By [[user:Gilderien|Gilderien]]

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'''Calendar''' 
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes [[Easter Sunday]] in Western Christianity and both [[Lazarus Saturday]] and [[Palm Sunday]] for the [[Eastern Orthodox Church]]. Other major feasts in the next month include those of [[Saint George]], [[Saint Mark the Evangelist]], [[Saint Stanislaus]], [[James, son of Zebedee]], and [[ Benedict the Moor]].
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'''Help requests''' 
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

<center>''Ichthus'' is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by [[WP:X|WikiProject Christianity]] For submissions contact the [[WT:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Newsroom]] • To unsubscribe add yourself to the list [[WP:X/O|here]] [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 13:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</center>
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== [[Australian Christian Lobby#Controversy and criticism]] ==

"members of the public"

Is a broad sweeping statement without factual evidence

There is no subsequent balance or context

"A group of Australian Christians"

There are millions, which group?

How is a segment of 250 people form a public narrative?

All questions I would like answered in the sake of fairness..... — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Greenmixa|Greenmixa]] ([[User talk:Greenmixa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenmixa|contribs]]) 02:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC) 

:Your edits have been contested by other users as well, and the criteria for inclusion or criticism and support of ACL's action has been an long contested debate, therefore it would be best for this conversation to take place on the ACL talk page, where other users can join in on the debate. I will move the conversation there. Also in the future please sign your comments with 4 ~'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Ways to improve Revolving Door (song) ==

Hi, I'm EagerToddler39. Freikorp, thanks for creating [[Revolving Door (song)]]!

I've just tagged the page, using our [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|page curation]] tools, as having some issues to fix. You base information on the reception of the song solely on what a Christian Genze. Other opinions needed to ensure a fair article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on [[User talk:EagerToddler39|my talk page]]. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at [[WP:TEAHOUSE|the Teahouse]].

==Your DYK nomination==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Losing Chase]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  --[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 15:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

{{tb|Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase}}--[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 18:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Losing Chase==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

== DYK Nomination of Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards ==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! (Sorry, I meant to post this when I reviewed the nomination, but apparently never hit the "save" button...). [[User:Canadian Paul|Canadian]] [[User talk:Canadian Paul|Paul]] 22:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== Re: Slutdrop ==

Hey there, sorry for the late response but I wanted to get a [[User_talk:PraetorianFury#Slutdrop|third opinion first]]. It's true that I didn't read the entire article at [[Slutdrop]], so I didn't want it to appear as though I was defending a mistaken revert. But besides the initial reasoning given, there are other problems with linking to Slutdrop. It is very tangentially related, and only by an opinionated claim made by someone at the Guardian. No one has explicitly made the connection between Slutwalks and Slutdrops in the sources. That's why I don't think it's an appropriate addition to the article at this time, with the sources available. [[User:PraetorianFury|PraetorianFury]] ([[User talk:PraetorianFury|talk]]) 17:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. If you had of reverted it saying "this is only tangentially related" I would have just let it go, it was just the fact you incorrectly stated it had nothing with reclaiming the word pushed one of my buttons a bit. Thanks for getting a third opinion; no hard feelings. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Slutdrop==
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}} [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Sandy MacGregor==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for The Discipline of Market Leaders==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Fifth Element ==

Just wanted to say great work overhauling the article, but please note that the awards section will need to be sourced, whether it's one citation used for all of the awards or individual citations as appropriate. While more tedious, the advantage of the latter approach would be that if editors change the awards table later it will still (hopefully) be clear which awards track to which sources. Happy Editing! [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 13:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks. The awards currently listed that don't have individual references are 6 of the 7 Cesar awards and 1 of the 4 Saturn awards. I'm going to assume the reference I posted on the talk page will be sufficient to cover all of them until someone tells me otherwise; I'll add it to the result column. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 14:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:I've found and added a few more individual references, so the only awards currently listed missing an individual reference are the 4 Cesar awards that it was nominated for but didn't win. If it turns out the blanket reference I found fails [[WP:RS]] removing those four nominations won't be such a big deal. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Order of Chiang Chung-Cheng]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Gbawden|Gbawden]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>You should consider joining the Orders, Decorations and Medals WikiProject</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Gbawden's [[User talk:Gbawden|talk page]].

Learn more about [[Wikipedia:New Pages Feed/Help|page curation]].

:Hi Gbawden. I appreciate the invite, and I'll take a look at the project once I've tied up all the things on my to-do list. I thought I should let you know that I am certainly no subject matter expert on awards though. I created the 'Order of Wen-Hu' as I had created the page for [[R.V.C. Bodley]], who won the award, and I found enough references to start a page for the award whilst searching for references on Bodley. I then created the other 4 awards as somebody added the 'Republic of China honours system' template to the Wen-Hu article, and the fact that the template was almost completely full or redlinks at the time annoyed me to the point of doing something about it :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Blockbuster Entertainment Awards==
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}} '''[[User:Harrias|Harrias]]''' [[User_talk:Harrias|talk]] 00:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for What Remains==
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}} '''[[User:Spinningspark|Spinning]][[User talk:Spinningspark|Spark''']]''' 01:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Stentor]] ==

I want to thank you for your last post at this discussion.  It was unusually helpful to my understanding.  Regarding the closing, I find it incomprehensible.  FYI, [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 00:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks, it retrospect I should have just boldly redirected the article instead of nominating for deletion. Considering the official website is clearly offline (leaving me wondering if the magazine is even still produced or not) which means the only sources the article had to begin with are now dead, I have redirected the article back to [[Lake Forest College]] anyway. If you think that is not appropriate feel free to let me know, I am happy to discuss the matter. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::Being dead doesn't change the fact that they are sources, it just makes it harder to locate copies.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::I support your bold redirect.  Coming after a keep closure, I think any objection needs to be given due respect.  Such seems unlikely since there are no known secondary sources, but time will tell.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards==
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== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Revolution Overdrive: Songs of Liberty]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>I reviewed your page and passed it. Great article. Just a reminder that it is an orphan and you should add links to it.</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Falkirks's [[User talk:Falkirks|talk page]].

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==DYK for Kaboom: The Suicide Bombing Game==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

==National Atlas of the United States DYK? Nomination==
I have now responded to you here--[[Template:Did you know nominations/National Atlas of the United States]]. Please take a look at my response and the things that I fixed for this DYK? nomination whenever you'll have the time. Thank you very much. [[User:Futurist110|Futurist110]] ([[User talk:Futurist110|talk]]) 00:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

== A cup of coffee for you! ==

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:You're welcome. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for You Can't Stop Me==
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== Filemover ==

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I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A{{PAGENAMEU}} granted] file mover rights to your account following either a request for those rights or a clear need for the ability to move files. For information on the file mover rights and under what circumstances it is okay to move files, see [[Wikipedia:File mover]]. If you do not want file mover rights anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. [[User talk:INeverCry|INeverCry]] 21:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Why thank you, again :). It certainly is nice to get recognition for the article. Come to think of it I haven't worked on converting the list of potential candidates on the article's talk page over to the actual article for a while now. I think I'll start working on that again soon. I gave up on my idea of writing a book about drug-related deaths. It was getting too difficult to find offline sources, not to mention it was time consuming, plus I knew I'd never make my money back (I was just doing it out of interest) so I figured I'd just stick to writing about in on wiki. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Eugene Tonkonogy==
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:Congrats man. And I know where the connection came from. ;) [[Special:Contributions/71.246.157.102|71.246.157.102]] ([[User talk:71.246.157.102|talk]]) 00:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

:: :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

== GA review started ==

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== Leigh Leigh ==
The book is "Who Killed Leigh Leigh?" by Kerry Carrington. I bought it from Amazon a month ago. It gives further information about the murder but it was published in 1998. I'm interested in this murder case also. It's kinda weird because I'm from Turkey and I've never been to Australia actually. ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 15:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

:Interesting, but understandable, I've taken interest in several articles regarding incidents on the other side of the planet. Anyway thanks a lot for the information :). [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for La Promenade du sceptique==
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A file that you uploaded or altered, [[:File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion]]. Please see the [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 November 18#File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg|'''discussion''']] to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you.  —[[User:Koavf|Justin (ko'''a'''vf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 19:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

:Cheers for the notification. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== About your 3O request ==

I'm a regular volunteer at the [[WP:3O|Third Opinion project]]. Your request has been removed due to the lack of any recent, much less thorough, talk page discussion about the dispute. Indeed, there's an argument to be made that when there's been no editing or discussion about a dispute for a considerable period of time that consensus by silence or by acquiescence has occurred and that there is no longer a dispute at all. Consensus can, of course, change: you can raise the issue again at the article talk page or start a [[WP:RFC|request for comments]], and if you come to an impasse then try dispute resolution, but at this point in time there's really nothing for dispute resolution to handle. Regards, [[User:TransporterMan|'''TransporterMan''']] ([[User talk:TransporterMan|TALK]]) 16:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

:Thanks for the information. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 22:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
==Orphaned non-free image File:Ralph (magazine).jpg==
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:Issue resolved. For some reason even though the image was being used on an article it was not counted as such. I managed to fix this issue be changing the way the image was formatted on the associated article. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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--[[Special:Contributions/173.59.201.71|173.59.201.71]] ([[User talk:173.59.201.71|talk]]) 16:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

:Just for archival purposes i'd like to mention that this discussion was closed before I was made aware of its existence. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Access Ministries ==

Freikorp, you were asking about a reliable source for my edit? will this do? I am a bit new to this editing stuff! It is a statement form their website...
http://www.accessministries.org.au/news/id/19
[[User:Integrity+accuracy|Integrity+accuracy]] ([[User talk:Integrity+accuracy|talk]]) 05:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:It's a little bit of a grey area because it's a a self-published source with an obvious bias on the subject. As per [[WP:SELFPUB]], a self-published source, such as the Access Ministries official website, cannot be used to say anything about itself that is unduly self-serving. On one hand Access' claim that schools were simply not counted on the census is plausible. On the other hand Access have a vested interest in keeping their supporters morale high, so we also have to take into considerate that they may be stretching the truth to keep their supporters happy. The information currently in the article regarding the drop in attendance is presented as an accepted fact because it comes from a [[Wikipedia:Third-party sources|third party source]] that has no obvious bias on the subject (whether they are correct or not is irrelevant, they are an unbiased source so whatever they say will have much more weight than any primary source). Third party sources are ALWAYS preferred to primary sources. However since the claim is not outrageous, and it is a direct response to the media coverage already reported in the article, so as long as we present the information as according to Access Ministries, as opposed to an accepted fact, it should be fine, but others may disagree with me.

:As you have no doubt noticed, there is currently a lot of criticism about Access Ministries in the article, however, this is perfectly acceptable as all criticism is presented from mainstream third party sources that have no obvious agenda for or against Access Ministries, and each source is only used to support one sentence of information (It could be considered a violation of [[WP:Undue weight]] to write several sentences of criticism or praise using one source only). Accordingly if you wish to say favourable things about Access Ministries in the article, you will also have to also find mainstream sources. Christian websites and publications would be considered biased sources if they are used to say anything that promotes Access Ministries or their agenda. This policy swings both ways; I cannot use Atheist publications or activist websites like [http://religionsinschool.com FIRIS] to say anything negative about Access, as they are biased against the subject.

:Just a disclaimer, I am a supporter of FIRIS and accordingly I strongly oppose what Access Ministries do, but I have been editing wikipedia for years before I had heard of either Access of FIRIS, and I believe in the concept of Wikipedia, being that it should be a neutral encyclopaedia, free from bias. Naturally I tend to read and edit articles about things that interest me or are important to me, but I always try to do so without letting my feelings override any of wikipedia's guidelines. So if you need any advice on editing the article feel free to ask me. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

::Hold on. I just noticed something that I missed earlier. Access' numbers don't add up. The source you give does not dispute the mainstream media's original figure of 940 schools, they only dispute the final figure of 666 (their figure is 780), but they say that the fall in attendance was less than 5% over 3 years. A fall from 940 to 780 is a decrease of over 17%, not less than 5%. I think this is extremely strong evidence that Access is lying about something (either the number 780 or the percentage fall, one or the other, not sure which). Accordingly I no longer consider this source reliable for anything, and don't feel comfortable about it being used in the article. So my vote on this issue is now currently a 'No'. In my opinion you'll need a better source. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 09:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Another editor has since found a reliable source to back up your statement, so it looks like this issue is resolved now. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 21:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

== In The Name Of The King ==

Hi! Just a heads up that I removed your plot summary tag on [[In the Name of the King]]. I did a new plot summary completely from scratch that comes out of my local copy's word count as 4004 bytes and 618 words. Check it out, please! [[User:Featherwinglove|Featherwinglove]] ([[User talk:Featherwinglove|talk]]) 02:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

:No worries. It looks pretty good. Having not seen the film, I can't comment on how accurate it is or isn't (I found the article simply by looking through other films by Uwe Boll, having been a fan of his film Rampage, and upon noticing how overly long the old plot was simply added the tag.) Anyway, well done. Keep up the good work. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 06:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the notification. The image was removed from the article in question by another user, citing [[MOS:FILM]]. I am not contesting its removal or subsequent nomination for deletion. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

==[[Template:Did you know nominations/Nitro]]==
Your DYK review is incomplete. Please see nomination page. Thanks, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:Ditto for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mischief Makers]]. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for letting me know. Last time I reviewed for DYK (some time ago) I don't believe articles upgraded to GA were eligible for nomination. I assumed they would follow the same standards as new articles. I'll review what needs to be looked at this afternoon, and hopefully i'll be able to review it properly. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 23:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks. We are seeing a number of GA nominations lately that do not meet DYK criteria, especially in the area of [[WP:Close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]]. Some reviewers use the Dup Detector tool located to the right of the hook on the template page to check for close paraphrasing; I personally look up the sources and compare the writing. In the case of [[Mischief Makers]], the page creator is copying words and sentence structure a lot. That's okay if he would quote them directly, but to follow the language in the sources so closely is a cause for concern at DYK. Best, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 21:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Staircase model==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Staircase model]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Staircase model|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 00:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for the notification. I believe i've now resolved the issue. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Staircase model==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:21, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Thank you so much, it was actually the first new article i'd written in several months. :) I had just recently heard about the model and was surprised to not find an article on wikipedia about it already. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 18:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
::Great! I'm glad I got the chance to read it. Keep up the good work. [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]] (<big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|'''☎''']]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|'''✎''']]) 03:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Death in the West==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Jailbait ==

Just create a new nominations page for it. Though this time I would strongly advise you not to use any pictures with the nom. '''[[User:The C of E|The C of E God Save the Queen!]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 07:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for replying. Mandarax actually just reopened it, but I agree, the picture was a bad call. Certainly won't be pushing to have one included in the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Murder of Leigh Leigh ==

Congratulations to you for your work in this article. I'm glad that this article is nominated for [[WP:DYK|DYK]]. I'm still interested in this murder but I haven't got any further information since last year. I realised that there isn't any video footage on the Internet about this case and last year, I sent an e - mail to Crime and Investigation Australia for the possibility of making a documentary of it. They replied me that they'll see. Also I wanted to look some old articles from Newcastle Herald and I sent an e - mail to them too, but they hadn't replied. So, as I'm living in Turkey, I have no other choice that having further information. I'm so glad that you got the book and used it for improving this article. I think you did a great job. :) ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 22:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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== Query on [[Yeshivah College, Australia|Yeshiva College]] edits by DGG ==

Can you please look at the Talk pages and edits by DGG on Yeshiva College and let me know if that is legit and reasonable. I don't like the censorship going on unless there has been a breach of guidelines.

Can you reply by email to me mikeybear69@gmail.com if possible.

Thanks.

Michael.
[[User:Mikeybear|Mikey Bear]] ([[User talk:Mikeybear|talk]]) 02:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, thanks for contacting me. Unfortunately due to my work commitments until July 22nd I will be unable to access internet for long enough to look at anything right now. Basically I'm a fair bit off the beaten track at the moment and every few days when I get back to the civilised world I only have a few minutes to check emails before I have to get back to work. I know the issue may no longer be active in 2 weeks when I get back to the real world, but I promise to take a look at it then. Sorry I can't be of more help right now. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, sorry for the late reply, my life has been somewhat hectic. I've looked at the edits, and at the editors statement on the talk page. His arguments, particular regarding "any encyclopedic interest in the event as it pertains to the school does not require ... names" are logical, but you could certainly argue against them; he cites "DO NO HARM" but his edits could be considered in violation of the [[Wikipedia:Do no harm#Neutral point of view|Do no harm#Neutral point of view]] guideline. I would certainly be interested to see other experienced editors opinions on the matter; I am certain you are not the only one who disagrees with him. I personally think it is not inappropriate to name names prior to conviction if they have been reported by reliable sources. I would certainly vote to include the names after any convictions were made, and will comment on the issue at the talk page if any convictions are made.

:If you think another users edits could be violating a guideline don't hesitate to say so and attempt to counter their arguments on the talk page; if it turns out you were wrong you at least learn something new about editing and if an agreement is not reached and you still think they are wrong after discussion consult a [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] process; I have found the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]] and [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] processes to be very helpful at getting more opinions and resolving disputes. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 12:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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:Are you still interested into following this discussion:[[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby_discussion]]? — [[User:Hahc21|'''ΛΧΣ''']][[User_talk:Hahc21|'''21'''™]] 03:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

:I respect you. You are willing to participate in meaningful discussions. I believe that you, 'adhere to guidelines'. I do not respect Grotekennis. Grotekennis, ignores Wiki P&Gs, editor comments, editor consensus, Reliable Source Noticeboard consensus and Dispute Resolution Noticeboard consensus and does what he wants to do. He demands 'scientific research' while dismissing and removing 'scientific research' which does not suit him. The summary of the finding of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby|Dispute resolution noticeboard]] presented by ΛΧΣ21 and supported by all the editors who participated is, "''all of the sources that have been added to the article and do not talk about the ACL should be removed and the content it was supposedly supported, removed too''" THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES currently [30] to [34] PROVIDED FOR THE PARAGRAPH DO NOT TALK ABOUT ACL. The 'volunteer' (who Grotekennis mentioned as justifying his edits) specifically said, "''the sources need to mention ACL or its affiliates related to the topic being discussed. Wikipedias guidelines on sources are very clear on this point''". THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES DO NOT MENTION ACL OR ITS AFFILIATES.

::Interestingly, last week Australia's Kirby Institute's Surveillance and Evaluation Program for Public Health at the University of New South Wales - released its latest scientific research. Refer HIV cases in Australia is on the rise http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hiv-cases-in-australia-is-on-the-rise/story-e6frg6n6-1226497432701 An interesting read. The head of the Institute, Associate Professor David Wilson, said the real rise in the number of cases, "was of concern". Jim Wallace's concern is further validated.

::Also interestingly the Jensen citation supporting Jim Wallace (also deleted) refers the need for 'compassion and objectivity' http://www.smh.com.au/national/anglican-archbishop-backs-christian-lobbys-gay-views-20120910-25ogi.html Jensen went on to say, "It's very hard to get to the facts here because we don't want to talk about it, and in this country censorship is alive and well".

::On another matter - on 13:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC) you said, "The ACL make a lot of outrageously distorted claims . . . ". I completely agree with the point you were making to Grotekennis - obviously he was not interested. However the euthanasia-trivial-reasons-example you used, which included the words, "absolutely absurd", "baseless scare tactic", may have been a bit strong considering [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] has said that, these casualties are tragic. Youth suicide is tragic - (in today's media) http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mental-health-experts-on-standby-for-schools-hit-by-suicide-as-part-of-federal-government-campaign/story-e6frf7kx-1226502696526

:Grotekennis is determined to get his way and in so doing undermines the credibility of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sam56mas|contribs]]) 12:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC) 

::Thanks for your comments. Grotekennis frustrates me also. I noticed what you mentioned regarding his edits and the only reason I haven't done anything about it is because I'm going on vacation tomorrow and I don't want to start any disputes before I go, but I certainly believe all references that do not mention the ACL should be removed, and I will remove these references myself once I get back from vacation if they are still there.

::Regarding your other comments: I'm happy to debate things in general if you like here. Providing opposing arguments are based on logic (as opposed to superstition, it really makes me angry when people say they are for/against something ONLY because their holy book says so) I often find it interesting to hear other peoples opinions on things, even if they differ greatly from my own.

::There is no doubt that homosexual men are far more likely to have HIV than heterosexual men. Conservative Christians mention this fact often. What I've never heard a conservative Christian mention, however, is the fact that homosexual women are far less likely to have HIV than heterosexual women. In the United States at least, there has never been a confirmed case of a women getting HIV through sex with another women [http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm] Jim Wallace says "the homosexual lifestyle has some disastrous health outcomes" and cites HIV as an example however HIV rates amongst women would undeniably drop if more women only had sex with women. The ACL often only tell half the story, give undue weight to certain facts and completely ignore information that harms their cause (this is hardly surprising, most lobby groups do this). I also find it incredibly appalling that Jim Wallace brings up the fact that LGBT people are far more likely to be depressed. Of course they are far more likely to be depressed in this country; our government and the ACL treat them like second class citizens! Rates of depression amongst LGBT people are lower in countries where gay marriage is legal. A guy I went to high school with posted this on Facebook after the gay marriage bill was voted down:

:::''To be completely honest, I don't know if I ever want/feel the need to get married, but to have a bunch of elected, "learned" people tell me that I am not worthy of the option because of a certain facet of me that I was born with and have no control over, actually almost overwhelms me to tears. And to read that Senator Cory Bernardi suggests gay marriage will lead to beastiality makes me feel the same pit in my stomach I felt as a teenager who struggled to accept who I am.''

::I'm not gay or even bisexual, to be perfectly honest I don't understand how men can be attracted to other men. But every moral fibre of my being tells me it is wrong to deprive someone of rights just because of what they have between their legs, and just FYI that's why I campaign for gay marriage.

::Regarding the euthanasia comments. Yes I agree my wording was harsher than it needed to be but this was because it was aimed at Grotekennis. I thought if I stressed how much I don't like the ACL he might value my opinion more (I don't think it worked, lol). I firmly stand by the general point I was making though. Legalising euthanasia for people who are already dying or people who have extremely poor quality of life with no chance of improvement (for example, quadriplegics) is not going to lead to to people legally getting assistance with euthanasia for trivial reasons. I understand some depressed people have used Nitschke's methods to kill themselves (despite the disclaimers he provides with this information) however this is, unfortunately, a fact of life. Some depressed people are going to attempt to take their own lives no matter what you do, and some people are always going to use information in a way it was not intended to be used. Example: I still have the chemistry textbook I bought when I was at University. Now if I wanted to I could use the information in that textbook to help me make a bomb or illegal drugs, but just because this information could potentially be abused shouldn't be a valid reason to censor chemistry. Have you read [[The Peaceful Pill Handbook]]? I'll post you a copy for free if you like. I'd assume it would be an interesting read even for people against euthanasia, but I can't exactly guarantee that of course. I'd make a comment about why I am for voluntary euthanasia, but instead i'll just advertise this website that you might find interesting: http://www.christiansforve.org.au I'm actually a member of this organisation and have worked with them in the past (openly as an atheist, they accept support from heathens lol).

::Well I'm logging out of wiki now and I won't be back for two weeks. See you then. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your detailed comments.

:::Re your: "I will remove these references myself . . . " Thank you. I have added a comment on the ACL talk page and at [[User_talk:Dominus_Vobisdu#ACL]]

:::My personal view on euthanasia is not based on 'superstition' and has not been formed 'ONLY because their holy book says so'. In my case, it is a belief in the dignity, the beauty and the fragility of life and a concern for the unknown flow-on effects for the elderly, (plus [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] comments) which causes me to believe we need to be very careful here. Others (obviously for various reasons) are concerned about euthanasia, for instance: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-lets-put-legalised-euthanasia-issue-down/story-e6frezz0-1226504473514

:::The matter of HIV and women - with respect - is a red herring and can be explained (for me) by issues as such as male promiscuity and male physiology.

:::The 'deprive someone of rights just because . . . ' is a simplistic characterisation of a much more complex situation. Detailed responses by others are available elsewhere. To respond to your question with a question > Why are there demands that the distinctions associated with 'LGBTI' must be disaggregated, while the distinctions associated with 'marriage' must be aggregated? To say depression in the LGTBI community (which I don't deny) is (largely?) caused by homophobia, seems to me to be primarily a blame-shifting exercise.

:::You mention quadriplegia. I have a friend who was very active and inspirational. He owns a successful project-home-building company. Two years ago, he crashed into another bike rider on a bike-track. He is now a quadriplegic - he remains an inspirational person. It can be a mental issue, rather than a physical issue. I know a number of depressed people and others 'on the edge' some with drug issues - some now dead - and of course the frail-elderly. As a society we should offer encouragement and support, rather than offering a chemical way out. A friend was telling me about a man she met a few years ago. Apparently he had no contact with his family. He had no contact with his children or grandchildren. He admitted he was very lonely. He was an active euthanasia advocate.

:::Your offered of a copy of the Peaceful pill handbook. Thanks, but no thanks. I can see enough here [[The_Peaceful_Pill_Handbook]] and http://www.peacefulpillhandbook.com/ plus links. Wikipedia notes: "Nitschke was involved in an argument in the press with the family of a woman suffering from post-natal depression who read the book and took the advice offered about travelling to Mexico. Her drawn-out death caused her family to attack the accuracy of the book's advice". I note: "This eBook is not intended for the mentally ill or depressed. Those with psychiatric conditions should contact their family physicians". Hardly reassuring to me that this sentence would prevent inappropriate use. Many people (as evidenced by determined Wikipedia editors) take little notice of what is written.

:::I have no problem with not continuing life by artificial means. I have no problem with criticism of ACL, providing it is done within the Wikipeda P&Gs. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 22:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

::::Just thought I'd clear a few things up. Firstly if you were offended I apologise - I wasn't trying to belittle you with the 'holy book' sentence, I've just had conversations with Christians before who openly admit they are only against homosexuality because the bible is against it, and they blindly obey the book regardless of how they personally feel about things. It's made me a bit defensive about debating with religious people.

::::Being for legalised euthanasia certainly does not make me want it as the first choice for anyone. If your friend is still happy to go on living as a quadriplegic that actually makes me happy, I just think people should have the option to die peacefully if they are not physically going to get better. I'm actually for euthanasia for very similar reasons to why you say you are against it, I believe in the beauty and dignity of life. I also believe encouragement and support should be offered first, but there are situations where encouragement and support are not going to help - some time ago I watched a close relative die from cancer slowly over several months. His quality of life was extremely poor; for the last few weeks he couldn't move his arms or his legs at all, and struggled to turn his head to look at us. Encouragement and support are not going to help here, I'm not 100% sure he knew where he was and what was happening in the last few days. By the time he died this person whom I loved had no dignity or beauty left, I was actually relieved when he died because that meant he didn't have to suffer anymore. If I get diagnosed with the same kind of terminal cancer I don't want to be forced to die like that, I'd like society to have some compassion and allow me to die peacefully at my own discretion. I want Australia to have the same euthanasia laws as [[Oregon Death with Dignity Act|Oregon]].

::::I'm certain there are factors other than homophobia and lack of rights for LGBTI people that cause depression, I wasn't trying to say all the blame lies with the ACL and people who share their opinions, I was trying to make a specific point. You see I often wonder, but I've never found out, if the ACL and their supporters actually realise how much damage they do to the mental health of gay people. I close friend of mine who is a lesbian was actually reduced to tears after reading comments made at the National Marriage Day (slippery slope to polygamy, comparison to paedophilia, gay marriage should be laughed at etc). The sentiment expressed in the comments my friend posted on Facebook are typical amongst how at least all the gay people I know react to lobbying against LGBT rights.

::::I understand moral objection to euthanasia and abortion. I do not understand objection to gay marriage. If you don't like gay marriage don't marry a gay person; problem solved. I remember reading an extract from an email the ACL sent out to their followers, in which they complained that they were losing the debate over gay marriage. I couldn't help but think, what on earth do the ACL think they are losing? If gay marriage becomes legal, the 40-something percent of Christians who are against gay marriage won't have lost anything. They still can get married in the manner they wish to, the only difference is now other people have the same rights they've always had. Why should we all be bound by a interpretation of marriage that only a particular group of Christians believe in? I just don't understand the ACL's position on LGBT rights, and neither do just over half of Christians according to recent polls. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thank you. I have no problem with people expressing, or respectfully promoting the views that they hold. I will get back to you in a few days, after I demonstrate something. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 23:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

::::::There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL. Fine. There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL, and who make sure that Wikipedia ACL is skewed towards their views. They are not interested in 'etiquette' or respect for Wikipedia policies or guidelines. (Other than demanding strict adherence by others). In my opinion you are not part of that second group. While you may be able to define what you mean by: Reproductive Rights, Marriage Equality and Right to Die, others (specifically the demand-for-change advocates) will see things differently, particularly in regards to the 'necessary limits' in each case. In each case, the 'rights' of others are involved. With complex, social-policy changes such as these, Australia (I believe) will not be able adequately define, let alone maintain restraints - any more than can 'democratic Wikipedia'. Rules, ethics and respect are of little concern to some people. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Peter Allgeier Article ==

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== Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions ==

Thanks for adding the Montanists to [[Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions]] - I believe that belongs there. I notice you didn't add the 1st century prediction, and I think that's probably the right decision. Not only is there a dispute over whether Jesus or Paul predicated an apocalyptic event, but also over what event(s) they might have been referring to. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks. Whilst I certainly think the 1st century "prediction" (or rather the way people reacted to it) is notable in itself, I agree it doesn't belong at that page either. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Saturday Night Live cast members|SNL]] list ==

Hi Freikorp. You and I were posting on the SNL talk page at the same time. You can see my comments there. Btw, I meant no offense in my edit comment; I simply said "please get consensus". I know you opened a discussion - which I really appreciate - but there was no participation. In any case, I do apologize if I hurt your feelings. Thanks and have a wonderful new year! --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to mention... great job on noticing the cross symbol being used. I totally agree with your thoughts on that. Also, you said "It's been two weeks since I removed the content, and your revert has been the first reaction". Although it's the first reaction, the reason is because the article is relatively inactive - it only gets a few edits a month, which is why I'm not surprised at all that there were no comments on the talk page. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC) 06:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Hi. No worries, I probably over-reacted a little - it's often hard to judge the sentiment people are expressing in the limited space an edit summary provides. Thanks for your comments on the talk page. To be honest I should have waited a bit longer for comments (and I usually do) but I though Christianising the deaths of non-Christians was particularly rude and when I went to change that I thought I may as well make the other proposed change at the same time. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Dami Mission==
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:Thanks for letting me know. I've addressed all the issues that have been mentioned, and am awaiting further comments/suggestions at the articles entry. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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:Thanks. Those page statistics made me laugh - I didn't even think to look at them. I'm not surprised they spiked around December 21, but I wasn't expecting it to be by that much. You might think this is really silly, but I'll tell you anyway - I guess I edit wikipedia for the same reason the overwhelming majority of editors would, but my motivation for working on this page was hoping that if the page was well written, had a large number of notable predictions, and was well referenced, people scared of apocalyptic events would read it, see how many false prediction there have been over the millennia, and maybe calm down a notch. I decided to do this after noticing how some people were reacting to Harold Camping's 2011 predictions. I hope a few people took the 2012 prediction a little less serious after reading the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks for the note. I'll be vigilant. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== [[Rikas tyttö]] ==

Thanks for creating the article. I was just about to write you about the red links. [[User:Widr|Widr]] ([[User talk:Widr|talk]]) 07:52, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. I was considering writing to you about the red links as well. As per [[Wikipedia:Red links]], red links shouldn't necessarily be deleted on sight, as they are helpful for indicating that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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==Shake and Bake==
Hey man, I'm sorry I didn't correctly cite the edit I made earlier today. I put my rationale in the talk page, but not in the edit description itself. All the pop culture stuff pertaining to [[Shake and Bake]] and not [[Shake 'n Bake]] I put in the disambiguation page. The Simpsons ref was the only one that actually had anything to do with the Kraft food product, which is why I left it. Would it be alright if I restored the edit? — [[User:Muckapedia|Muckapedia]] ([[User_talk:Muckapedia|talk]]) 14e mars 2013 16h23 (−4h)

:Hi. Sorry for the late reply. I missed your talk page explanation - now that I've seen it your edit makes sense, and I've restored it myself. Cheers for the message. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013 ==

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'''Membership report''' 
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:Thomas Cranmer|Thomas Cranmer]], [[User:Mr.Oglesby|Mr.Oglesby]], and [[User:Stylistica|Sneha Priscilla]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it.

'''From the Editor''' 

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of [[User:John Carter|John Carter]], and so [[User:Gilderien|I]] have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of [[Pope Benedict XVI]] and the election of [[Pope Francis]]. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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'''Church of the month''' 
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'''Contest of the month''' 
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests]], and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

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[[Grade I listed churches in Cumbria]] was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]], and the image above of the [[Church of Saint Ildefonso]] was promoted to featured picture status.

[[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], by [[User:Khazar2|Khazar2]], was promoted to GA status, as well [[Third Epistle of John]] by [[User:Cerebellum|Cerebellum]].

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included [[St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Marion Irvine]] by [[User:Giants2008|Giants2008]]; [[Margaret McKenna]] by [[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]]; [[Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity]] by [[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]]; [[St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Vester Egesborg Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Undløse Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St Martin's Church, Næstved]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St. Peter, Syburg]] by [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Østre Porsgrunn Church]] by [[User:Strachkvas|Strachkvas]]; [[Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Dami Mission]] by [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]]; [[Mechanicsburg Baptist Church]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Acheiropoietos Monastery]], by [[User:Proudbolsahye|Proudbolsahye]]; [[T. Lawrason Riggs]], by [[User:Gareth E Kegg|Gareth E Kegg]]; [[McColley's Chapel]], by [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]]; [[Oświęcim Chapel]], by [[User:BurgererSF|BurgererSF]]; [[Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]], by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn]], by [[User:Yakikaki|Yakikaki]]; [[Old Stone Congregational Church]], by [[User:Orlady|Orlady]]l [[Heath Chapel]], by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[St. Joseph's Church, Beijing]], by [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]]; [[Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton]], by [[User:Rodw|Rodw]]; and [[St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] also by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Usq-DJ2rKo Complete recording]

<center>[[Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22]], a cantata by the German composer [[J.S. Bach]], was promoted to GA this month and was written by [[USer:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]]. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.
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'''Spotlight''' 
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The Spotlight this month turns to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Jesus work group|the Jesus work group]]. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, [[Jesus Christ]] and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include [[Jesus]], [[Christ]], [[Resurrection of Jesus]], and [[Holy Grail]], whereas High-priority articles include [[Aramaic Language]], a former FA, as well as [[Sermon on the Mount]], [[Lamb of God]], and [[Passion (Christianity)]]. The workgroup has also published two books, covering [[Book:Christ's Final Days |Christ's final days]] and the [[Book:Parables of Jesus|Parables of Jesus]]. The workgroup has two GAs, [[Nativity scene]], and [[Jesus in Islam]], but unfortunately the flagship article, [[Jesus]] was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three [[WP:1.0]] articles, and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-25/WikiProject_report|WikiWork]] of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By [[user:Gilderien|Gilderien]]

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'''Calendar''' 
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes [[Easter Sunday]] in Western Christianity and both [[Lazarus Saturday]] and [[Palm Sunday]] for the [[Eastern Orthodox Church]]. Other major feasts in the next month include those of [[Saint George]], [[Saint Mark the Evangelist]], [[Saint Stanislaus]], [[James, son of Zebedee]], and [[ Benedict the Moor]].
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'''Help requests''' 
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

<center>''Ichthus'' is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by [[WP:X|WikiProject Christianity]] For submissions contact the [[WT:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Newsroom]] • To unsubscribe add yourself to the list [[WP:X/O|here]] [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 13:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</center>
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== [[Australian Christian Lobby#Controversy and criticism]] ==

"members of the public"

Is a broad sweeping statement without factual evidence

There is no subsequent balance or context

"A group of Australian Christians"

There are millions, which group?

How is a segment of 250 people form a public narrative?

All questions I would like answered in the sake of fairness..... — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Greenmixa|Greenmixa]] ([[User talk:Greenmixa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenmixa|contribs]]) 02:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC) 

:Your edits have been contested by other users as well, and the criteria for inclusion or criticism and support of ACL's action has been an long contested debate, therefore it would be best for this conversation to take place on the ACL talk page, where other users can join in on the debate. I will move the conversation there. Also in the future please sign your comments with 4 ~'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Ways to improve Revolving Door (song) ==

Hi, I'm EagerToddler39. Freikorp, thanks for creating [[Revolving Door (song)]]!

I've just tagged the page, using our [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|page curation]] tools, as having some issues to fix. You base information on the reception of the song solely on what a Christian Genze. Other opinions needed to ensure a fair article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on [[User talk:EagerToddler39|my talk page]]. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at [[WP:TEAHOUSE|the Teahouse]].

==Your DYK nomination==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Losing Chase]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  --[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 15:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

{{tb|Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase}}--[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 18:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Losing Chase==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

== DYK Nomination of Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards ==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! (Sorry, I meant to post this when I reviewed the nomination, but apparently never hit the "save" button...). [[User:Canadian Paul|Canadian]] [[User talk:Canadian Paul|Paul]] 22:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== Re: Slutdrop ==

Hey there, sorry for the late response but I wanted to get a [[User_talk:PraetorianFury#Slutdrop|third opinion first]]. It's true that I didn't read the entire article at [[Slutdrop]], so I didn't want it to appear as though I was defending a mistaken revert. But besides the initial reasoning given, there are other problems with linking to Slutdrop. It is very tangentially related, and only by an opinionated claim made by someone at the Guardian. No one has explicitly made the connection between Slutwalks and Slutdrops in the sources. That's why I don't think it's an appropriate addition to the article at this time, with the sources available. [[User:PraetorianFury|PraetorianFury]] ([[User talk:PraetorianFury|talk]]) 17:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. If you had of reverted it saying "this is only tangentially related" I would have just let it go, it was just the fact you incorrectly stated it had nothing with reclaiming the word pushed one of my buttons a bit. Thanks for getting a third opinion; no hard feelings. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Slutdrop==
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}} [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Sandy MacGregor==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for The Discipline of Market Leaders==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Fifth Element ==

Just wanted to say great work overhauling the article, but please note that the awards section will need to be sourced, whether it's one citation used for all of the awards or individual citations as appropriate. While more tedious, the advantage of the latter approach would be that if editors change the awards table later it will still (hopefully) be clear which awards track to which sources. Happy Editing! [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 13:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks. The awards currently listed that don't have individual references are 6 of the 7 Cesar awards and 1 of the 4 Saturn awards. I'm going to assume the reference I posted on the talk page will be sufficient to cover all of them until someone tells me otherwise; I'll add it to the result column. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 14:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:I've found and added a few more individual references, so the only awards currently listed missing an individual reference are the 4 Cesar awards that it was nominated for but didn't win. If it turns out the blanket reference I found fails [[WP:RS]] removing those four nominations won't be such a big deal. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Order of Chiang Chung-Cheng]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Gbawden|Gbawden]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>You should consider joining the Orders, Decorations and Medals WikiProject</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Gbawden's [[User talk:Gbawden|talk page]].

Learn more about [[Wikipedia:New Pages Feed/Help|page curation]].

:Hi Gbawden. I appreciate the invite, and I'll take a look at the project once I've tied up all the things on my to-do list. I thought I should let you know that I am certainly no subject matter expert on awards though. I created the 'Order of Wen-Hu' as I had created the page for [[R.V.C. Bodley]], who won the award, and I found enough references to start a page for the award whilst searching for references on Bodley. I then created the other 4 awards as somebody added the 'Republic of China honours system' template to the Wen-Hu article, and the fact that the template was almost completely full or redlinks at the time annoyed me to the point of doing something about it :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Blockbuster Entertainment Awards==
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}} '''[[User:Harrias|Harrias]]''' [[User_talk:Harrias|talk]] 00:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for What Remains==
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}} '''[[User:Spinningspark|Spinning]][[User talk:Spinningspark|Spark''']]''' 01:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Stentor]] ==

I want to thank you for your last post at this discussion.  It was unusually helpful to my understanding.  Regarding the closing, I find it incomprehensible.  FYI, [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 00:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks, it retrospect I should have just boldly redirected the article instead of nominating for deletion. Considering the official website is clearly offline (leaving me wondering if the magazine is even still produced or not) which means the only sources the article had to begin with are now dead, I have redirected the article back to [[Lake Forest College]] anyway. If you think that is not appropriate feel free to let me know, I am happy to discuss the matter. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::Being dead doesn't change the fact that they are sources, it just makes it harder to locate copies.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::I support your bold redirect.  Coming after a keep closure, I think any objection needs to be given due respect.  Such seems unlikely since there are no known secondary sources, but time will tell.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards==
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== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Revolution Overdrive: Songs of Liberty]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>I reviewed your page and passed it. Great article. Just a reminder that it is an orphan and you should add links to it.</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Falkirks's [[User talk:Falkirks|talk page]].

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==DYK for Kaboom: The Suicide Bombing Game==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

==National Atlas of the United States DYK? Nomination==
I have now responded to you here--[[Template:Did you know nominations/National Atlas of the United States]]. Please take a look at my response and the things that I fixed for this DYK? nomination whenever you'll have the time. Thank you very much. [[User:Futurist110|Futurist110]] ([[User talk:Futurist110|talk]]) 00:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

== A cup of coffee for you! ==

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:You're welcome. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for You Can't Stop Me==
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== Filemover ==

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I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A{{PAGENAMEU}} granted] file mover rights to your account following either a request for those rights or a clear need for the ability to move files. For information on the file mover rights and under what circumstances it is okay to move files, see [[Wikipedia:File mover]]. If you do not want file mover rights anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. [[User talk:INeverCry|INeverCry]] 21:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Why thank you, again :). It certainly is nice to get recognition for the article. Come to think of it I haven't worked on converting the list of potential candidates on the article's talk page over to the actual article for a while now. I think I'll start working on that again soon. I gave up on my idea of writing a book about drug-related deaths. It was getting too difficult to find offline sources, not to mention it was time consuming, plus I knew I'd never make my money back (I was just doing it out of interest) so I figured I'd just stick to writing about in on wiki. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Eugene Tonkonogy==
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:Congrats man. And I know where the connection came from. ;) [[Special:Contributions/71.246.157.102|71.246.157.102]] ([[User talk:71.246.157.102|talk]]) 00:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

:: :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

== GA review started ==

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== Leigh Leigh ==
The book is "Who Killed Leigh Leigh?" by Kerry Carrington. I bought it from Amazon a month ago. It gives further information about the murder but it was published in 1998. I'm interested in this murder case also. It's kinda weird because I'm from Turkey and I've never been to Australia actually. ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 15:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

:Interesting, but understandable, I've taken interest in several articles regarding incidents on the other side of the planet. Anyway thanks a lot for the information :). [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for La Promenade du sceptique==
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A file that you uploaded or altered, [[:File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion]]. Please see the [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 November 18#File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg|'''discussion''']] to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you.  —[[User:Koavf|Justin (ko'''a'''vf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 19:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

:Cheers for the notification. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== About your 3O request ==

I'm a regular volunteer at the [[WP:3O|Third Opinion project]]. Your request has been removed due to the lack of any recent, much less thorough, talk page discussion about the dispute. Indeed, there's an argument to be made that when there's been no editing or discussion about a dispute for a considerable period of time that consensus by silence or by acquiescence has occurred and that there is no longer a dispute at all. Consensus can, of course, change: you can raise the issue again at the article talk page or start a [[WP:RFC|request for comments]], and if you come to an impasse then try dispute resolution, but at this point in time there's really nothing for dispute resolution to handle. Regards, [[User:TransporterMan|'''TransporterMan''']] ([[User talk:TransporterMan|TALK]]) 16:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

:Thanks for the information. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 22:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
==Orphaned non-free image File:Ralph (magazine).jpg==
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:Issue resolved. For some reason even though the image was being used on an article it was not counted as such. I managed to fix this issue be changing the way the image was formatted on the associated article. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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:Just for archival purposes i'd like to mention that this discussion was closed before I was made aware of its existence. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Access Ministries ==

Freikorp, you were asking about a reliable source for my edit? will this do? I am a bit new to this editing stuff! It is a statement form their website...
http://www.accessministries.org.au/news/id/19
[[User:Integrity+accuracy|Integrity+accuracy]] ([[User talk:Integrity+accuracy|talk]]) 05:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:It's a little bit of a grey area because it's a a self-published source with an obvious bias on the subject. As per [[WP:SELFPUB]], a self-published source, such as the Access Ministries official website, cannot be used to say anything about itself that is unduly self-serving. On one hand Access' claim that schools were simply not counted on the census is plausible. On the other hand Access have a vested interest in keeping their supporters morale high, so we also have to take into considerate that they may be stretching the truth to keep their supporters happy. The information currently in the article regarding the drop in attendance is presented as an accepted fact because it comes from a [[Wikipedia:Third-party sources|third party source]] that has no obvious bias on the subject (whether they are correct or not is irrelevant, they are an unbiased source so whatever they say will have much more weight than any primary source). Third party sources are ALWAYS preferred to primary sources. However since the claim is not outrageous, and it is a direct response to the media coverage already reported in the article, so as long as we present the information as according to Access Ministries, as opposed to an accepted fact, it should be fine, but others may disagree with me.

:As you have no doubt noticed, there is currently a lot of criticism about Access Ministries in the article, however, this is perfectly acceptable as all criticism is presented from mainstream third party sources that have no obvious agenda for or against Access Ministries, and each source is only used to support one sentence of information (It could be considered a violation of [[WP:Undue weight]] to write several sentences of criticism or praise using one source only). Accordingly if you wish to say favourable things about Access Ministries in the article, you will also have to also find mainstream sources. Christian websites and publications would be considered biased sources if they are used to say anything that promotes Access Ministries or their agenda. This policy swings both ways; I cannot use Atheist publications or activist websites like [http://religionsinschool.com FIRIS] to say anything negative about Access, as they are biased against the subject.

:Just a disclaimer, I am a supporter of FIRIS and accordingly I strongly oppose what Access Ministries do, but I have been editing wikipedia for years before I had heard of either Access of FIRIS, and I believe in the concept of Wikipedia, being that it should be a neutral encyclopaedia, free from bias. Naturally I tend to read and edit articles about things that interest me or are important to me, but I always try to do so without letting my feelings override any of wikipedia's guidelines. So if you need any advice on editing the article feel free to ask me. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

::Hold on. I just noticed something that I missed earlier. Access' numbers don't add up. The source you give does not dispute the mainstream media's original figure of 940 schools, they only dispute the final figure of 666 (their figure is 780), but they say that the fall in attendance was less than 5% over 3 years. A fall from 940 to 780 is a decrease of over 17%, not less than 5%. I think this is extremely strong evidence that Access is lying about something (either the number 780 or the percentage fall, one or the other, not sure which). Accordingly I no longer consider this source reliable for anything, and don't feel comfortable about it being used in the article. So my vote on this issue is now currently a 'No'. In my opinion you'll need a better source. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 09:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Another editor has since found a reliable source to back up your statement, so it looks like this issue is resolved now. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 21:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

== In The Name Of The King ==

Hi! Just a heads up that I removed your plot summary tag on [[In the Name of the King]]. I did a new plot summary completely from scratch that comes out of my local copy's word count as 4004 bytes and 618 words. Check it out, please! [[User:Featherwinglove|Featherwinglove]] ([[User talk:Featherwinglove|talk]]) 02:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

:No worries. It looks pretty good. Having not seen the film, I can't comment on how accurate it is or isn't (I found the article simply by looking through other films by Uwe Boll, having been a fan of his film Rampage, and upon noticing how overly long the old plot was simply added the tag.) Anyway, well done. Keep up the good work. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 06:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the notification. The image was removed from the article in question by another user, citing [[MOS:FILM]]. I am not contesting its removal or subsequent nomination for deletion. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

==[[Template:Did you know nominations/Nitro]]==
Your DYK review is incomplete. Please see nomination page. Thanks, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:Ditto for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mischief Makers]]. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for letting me know. Last time I reviewed for DYK (some time ago) I don't believe articles upgraded to GA were eligible for nomination. I assumed they would follow the same standards as new articles. I'll review what needs to be looked at this afternoon, and hopefully i'll be able to review it properly. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 23:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks. We are seeing a number of GA nominations lately that do not meet DYK criteria, especially in the area of [[WP:Close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]]. Some reviewers use the Dup Detector tool located to the right of the hook on the template page to check for close paraphrasing; I personally look up the sources and compare the writing. In the case of [[Mischief Makers]], the page creator is copying words and sentence structure a lot. That's okay if he would quote them directly, but to follow the language in the sources so closely is a cause for concern at DYK. Best, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 21:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Staircase model==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Staircase model]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Staircase model|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 00:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for the notification. I believe i've now resolved the issue. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Staircase model==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:21, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Thank you so much, it was actually the first new article i'd written in several months. :) I had just recently heard about the model and was surprised to not find an article on wikipedia about it already. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 18:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
::Great! I'm glad I got the chance to read it. Keep up the good work. [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]] (<big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|'''☎''']]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|'''✎''']]) 03:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Death in the West==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Jailbait ==

Just create a new nominations page for it. Though this time I would strongly advise you not to use any pictures with the nom. '''[[User:The C of E|The C of E God Save the Queen!]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 07:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for replying. Mandarax actually just reopened it, but I agree, the picture was a bad call. Certainly won't be pushing to have one included in the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Murder of Leigh Leigh ==

Congratulations to you for your work in this article. I'm glad that this article is nominated for [[WP:DYK|DYK]]. I'm still interested in this murder but I haven't got any further information since last year. I realised that there isn't any video footage on the Internet about this case and last year, I sent an e - mail to Crime and Investigation Australia for the possibility of making a documentary of it. They replied me that they'll see. Also I wanted to look some old articles from Newcastle Herald and I sent an e - mail to them too, but they hadn't replied. So, as I'm living in Turkey, I have no other choice that having further information. I'm so glad that you got the book and used it for improving this article. I think you did a great job. :) ([[User:MaddyRockFan|MaddyRockFan]]) 22:17, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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== Query on [[Yeshivah College, Australia|Yeshiva College]] edits by DGG ==

Can you please look at the Talk pages and edits by DGG on Yeshiva College and let me know if that is legit and reasonable. I don't like the censorship going on unless there has been a breach of guidelines.

Can you reply by email to me mikeybear69@gmail.com if possible.

Thanks.

Michael.
[[User:Mikeybear|Mikey Bear]] ([[User talk:Mikeybear|talk]]) 02:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, thanks for contacting me. Unfortunately due to my work commitments until July 22nd I will be unable to access internet for long enough to look at anything right now. Basically I'm a fair bit off the beaten track at the moment and every few days when I get back to the civilised world I only have a few minutes to check emails before I have to get back to work. I know the issue may no longer be active in 2 weeks when I get back to the real world, but I promise to take a look at it then. Sorry I can't be of more help right now. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, sorry for the late reply, my life has been somewhat hectic. I've looked at the edits, and at the editors statement on the talk page. His arguments, particular regarding "any encyclopedic interest in the event as it pertains to the school does not require ... names" are logical, but you could certainly argue against them; he cites "DO NO HARM" but his edits could be considered in violation of the [[Wikipedia:Do no harm#Neutral point of view|Do no harm#Neutral point of view]] guideline. I would certainly be interested to see other experienced editors opinions on the matter; I am certain you are not the only one who disagrees with him. I personally think it is not inappropriate to name names prior to conviction if they have been reported by reliable sources. I would certainly vote to include the names after any convictions were made, and will comment on the issue at the talk page if any convictions are made.

:If you think another users edits could be violating a guideline don't hesitate to say so and attempt to counter their arguments on the talk page; if it turns out you were wrong you at least learn something new about editing and if an agreement is not reached and you still think they are wrong after discussion consult a [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] process; I have found the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]] and [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] processes to be very helpful at getting more opinions and resolving disputes. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 12:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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:Are you still interested into following this discussion:[[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby_discussion]]? — [[User:Hahc21|'''ΛΧΣ''']][[User_talk:Hahc21|'''21'''™]] 03:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

:I respect you. You are willing to participate in meaningful discussions. I believe that you, 'adhere to guidelines'. I do not respect Grotekennis. Grotekennis, ignores Wiki P&Gs, editor comments, editor consensus, Reliable Source Noticeboard consensus and Dispute Resolution Noticeboard consensus and does what he wants to do. He demands 'scientific research' while dismissing and removing 'scientific research' which does not suit him. The summary of the finding of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby|Dispute resolution noticeboard]] presented by ΛΧΣ21 and supported by all the editors who participated is, "''all of the sources that have been added to the article and do not talk about the ACL should be removed and the content it was supposedly supported, removed too''" THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES currently [30] to [34] PROVIDED FOR THE PARAGRAPH DO NOT TALK ABOUT ACL. The 'volunteer' (who Grotekennis mentioned as justifying his edits) specifically said, "''the sources need to mention ACL or its affiliates related to the topic being discussed. Wikipedias guidelines on sources are very clear on this point''". THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES DO NOT MENTION ACL OR ITS AFFILIATES.

::Interestingly, last week Australia's Kirby Institute's Surveillance and Evaluation Program for Public Health at the University of New South Wales - released its latest scientific research. Refer HIV cases in Australia is on the rise http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hiv-cases-in-australia-is-on-the-rise/story-e6frg6n6-1226497432701 An interesting read. The head of the Institute, Associate Professor David Wilson, said the real rise in the number of cases, "was of concern". Jim Wallace's concern is further validated.

::Also interestingly the Jensen citation supporting Jim Wallace (also deleted) refers the need for 'compassion and objectivity' http://www.smh.com.au/national/anglican-archbishop-backs-christian-lobbys-gay-views-20120910-25ogi.html Jensen went on to say, "It's very hard to get to the facts here because we don't want to talk about it, and in this country censorship is alive and well".

::On another matter - on 13:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC) you said, "The ACL make a lot of outrageously distorted claims . . . ". I completely agree with the point you were making to Grotekennis - obviously he was not interested. However the euthanasia-trivial-reasons-example you used, which included the words, "absolutely absurd", "baseless scare tactic", may have been a bit strong considering [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] has said that, these casualties are tragic. Youth suicide is tragic - (in today's media) http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mental-health-experts-on-standby-for-schools-hit-by-suicide-as-part-of-federal-government-campaign/story-e6frf7kx-1226502696526

:Grotekennis is determined to get his way and in so doing undermines the credibility of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sam56mas|contribs]]) 12:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC) 

::Thanks for your comments. Grotekennis frustrates me also. I noticed what you mentioned regarding his edits and the only reason I haven't done anything about it is because I'm going on vacation tomorrow and I don't want to start any disputes before I go, but I certainly believe all references that do not mention the ACL should be removed, and I will remove these references myself once I get back from vacation if they are still there.

::Regarding your other comments: I'm happy to debate things in general if you like here. Providing opposing arguments are based on logic (as opposed to superstition, it really makes me angry when people say they are for/against something ONLY because their holy book says so) I often find it interesting to hear other peoples opinions on things, even if they differ greatly from my own.

::There is no doubt that homosexual men are far more likely to have HIV than heterosexual men. Conservative Christians mention this fact often. What I've never heard a conservative Christian mention, however, is the fact that homosexual women are far less likely to have HIV than heterosexual women. In the United States at least, there has never been a confirmed case of a women getting HIV through sex with another women [http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm] Jim Wallace says "the homosexual lifestyle has some disastrous health outcomes" and cites HIV as an example however HIV rates amongst women would undeniably drop if more women only had sex with women. The ACL often only tell half the story, give undue weight to certain facts and completely ignore information that harms their cause (this is hardly surprising, most lobby groups do this). I also find it incredibly appalling that Jim Wallace brings up the fact that LGBT people are far more likely to be depressed. Of course they are far more likely to be depressed in this country; our government and the ACL treat them like second class citizens! Rates of depression amongst LGBT people are lower in countries where gay marriage is legal. A guy I went to high school with posted this on Facebook after the gay marriage bill was voted down:

:::''To be completely honest, I don't know if I ever want/feel the need to get married, but to have a bunch of elected, "learned" people tell me that I am not worthy of the option because of a certain facet of me that I was born with and have no control over, actually almost overwhelms me to tears. And to read that Senator Cory Bernardi suggests gay marriage will lead to beastiality makes me feel the same pit in my stomach I felt as a teenager who struggled to accept who I am.''

::I'm not gay or even bisexual, to be perfectly honest I don't understand how men can be attracted to other men. But every moral fibre of my being tells me it is wrong to deprive someone of rights just because of what they have between their legs, and just FYI that's why I campaign for gay marriage.

::Regarding the euthanasia comments. Yes I agree my wording was harsher than it needed to be but this was because it was aimed at Grotekennis. I thought if I stressed how much I don't like the ACL he might value my opinion more (I don't think it worked, lol). I firmly stand by the general point I was making though. Legalising euthanasia for people who are already dying or people who have extremely poor quality of life with no chance of improvement (for example, quadriplegics) is not going to lead to to people legally getting assistance with euthanasia for trivial reasons. I understand some depressed people have used Nitschke's methods to kill themselves (despite the disclaimers he provides with this information) however this is, unfortunately, a fact of life. Some depressed people are going to attempt to take their own lives no matter what you do, and some people are always going to use information in a way it was not intended to be used. Example: I still have the chemistry textbook I bought when I was at University. Now if I wanted to I could use the information in that textbook to help me make a bomb or illegal drugs, but just because this information could potentially be abused shouldn't be a valid reason to censor chemistry. Have you read [[The Peaceful Pill Handbook]]? I'll post you a copy for free if you like. I'd assume it would be an interesting read even for people against euthanasia, but I can't exactly guarantee that of course. I'd make a comment about why I am for voluntary euthanasia, but instead i'll just advertise this website that you might find interesting: http://www.christiansforve.org.au I'm actually a member of this organisation and have worked with them in the past (openly as an atheist, they accept support from heathens lol).

::Well I'm logging out of wiki now and I won't be back for two weeks. See you then. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your detailed comments.

:::Re your: "I will remove these references myself . . . " Thank you. I have added a comment on the ACL talk page and at [[User_talk:Dominus_Vobisdu#ACL]]

:::My personal view on euthanasia is not based on 'superstition' and has not been formed 'ONLY because their holy book says so'. In my case, it is a belief in the dignity, the beauty and the fragility of life and a concern for the unknown flow-on effects for the elderly, (plus [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] comments) which causes me to believe we need to be very careful here. Others (obviously for various reasons) are concerned about euthanasia, for instance: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-lets-put-legalised-euthanasia-issue-down/story-e6frezz0-1226504473514

:::The matter of HIV and women - with respect - is a red herring and can be explained (for me) by issues as such as male promiscuity and male physiology.

:::The 'deprive someone of rights just because . . . ' is a simplistic characterisation of a much more complex situation. Detailed responses by others are available elsewhere. To respond to your question with a question > Why are there demands that the distinctions associated with 'LGBTI' must be disaggregated, while the distinctions associated with 'marriage' must be aggregated? To say depression in the LGTBI community (which I don't deny) is (largely?) caused by homophobia, seems to me to be primarily a blame-shifting exercise.

:::You mention quadriplegia. I have a friend who was very active and inspirational. He owns a successful project-home-building company. Two years ago, he crashed into another bike rider on a bike-track. He is now a quadriplegic - he remains an inspirational person. It can be a mental issue, rather than a physical issue. I know a number of depressed people and others 'on the edge' some with drug issues - some now dead - and of course the frail-elderly. As a society we should offer encouragement and support, rather than offering a chemical way out. A friend was telling me about a man she met a few years ago. Apparently he had no contact with his family. He had no contact with his children or grandchildren. He admitted he was very lonely. He was an active euthanasia advocate.

:::Your offered of a copy of the Peaceful pill handbook. Thanks, but no thanks. I can see enough here [[The_Peaceful_Pill_Handbook]] and http://www.peacefulpillhandbook.com/ plus links. Wikipedia notes: "Nitschke was involved in an argument in the press with the family of a woman suffering from post-natal depression who read the book and took the advice offered about travelling to Mexico. Her drawn-out death caused her family to attack the accuracy of the book's advice". I note: "This eBook is not intended for the mentally ill or depressed. Those with psychiatric conditions should contact their family physicians". Hardly reassuring to me that this sentence would prevent inappropriate use. Many people (as evidenced by determined Wikipedia editors) take little notice of what is written.

:::I have no problem with not continuing life by artificial means. I have no problem with criticism of ACL, providing it is done within the Wikipeda P&Gs. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 22:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

::::Just thought I'd clear a few things up. Firstly if you were offended I apologise - I wasn't trying to belittle you with the 'holy book' sentence, I've just had conversations with Christians before who openly admit they are only against homosexuality because the bible is against it, and they blindly obey the book regardless of how they personally feel about things. It's made me a bit defensive about debating with religious people.

::::Being for legalised euthanasia certainly does not make me want it as the first choice for anyone. If your friend is still happy to go on living as a quadriplegic that actually makes me happy, I just think people should have the option to die peacefully if they are not physically going to get better. I'm actually for euthanasia for very similar reasons to why you say you are against it, I believe in the beauty and dignity of life. I also believe encouragement and support should be offered first, but there are situations where encouragement and support are not going to help - some time ago I watched a close relative die from cancer slowly over several months. His quality of life was extremely poor; for the last few weeks he couldn't move his arms or his legs at all, and struggled to turn his head to look at us. Encouragement and support are not going to help here, I'm not 100% sure he knew where he was and what was happening in the last few days. By the time he died this person whom I loved had no dignity or beauty left, I was actually relieved when he died because that meant he didn't have to suffer anymore. If I get diagnosed with the same kind of terminal cancer I don't want to be forced to die like that, I'd like society to have some compassion and allow me to die peacefully at my own discretion. I want Australia to have the same euthanasia laws as [[Oregon Death with Dignity Act|Oregon]].

::::I'm certain there are factors other than homophobia and lack of rights for LGBTI people that cause depression, I wasn't trying to say all the blame lies with the ACL and people who share their opinions, I was trying to make a specific point. You see I often wonder, but I've never found out, if the ACL and their supporters actually realise how much damage they do to the mental health of gay people. I close friend of mine who is a lesbian was actually reduced to tears after reading comments made at the National Marriage Day (slippery slope to polygamy, comparison to paedophilia, gay marriage should be laughed at etc). The sentiment expressed in the comments my friend posted on Facebook are typical amongst how at least all the gay people I know react to lobbying against LGBT rights.

::::I understand moral objection to euthanasia and abortion. I do not understand objection to gay marriage. If you don't like gay marriage don't marry a gay person; problem solved. I remember reading an extract from an email the ACL sent out to their followers, in which they complained that they were losing the debate over gay marriage. I couldn't help but think, what on earth do the ACL think they are losing? If gay marriage becomes legal, the 40-something percent of Christians who are against gay marriage won't have lost anything. They still can get married in the manner they wish to, the only difference is now other people have the same rights they've always had. Why should we all be bound by a interpretation of marriage that only a particular group of Christians believe in? I just don't understand the ACL's position on LGBT rights, and neither do just over half of Christians according to recent polls. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thank you. I have no problem with people expressing, or respectfully promoting the views that they hold. I will get back to you in a few days, after I demonstrate something. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 23:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

::::::There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL. Fine. There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL, and who make sure that Wikipedia ACL is skewed towards their views. They are not interested in 'etiquette' or respect for Wikipedia policies or guidelines. (Other than demanding strict adherence by others). In my opinion you are not part of that second group. While you may be able to define what you mean by: Reproductive Rights, Marriage Equality and Right to Die, others (specifically the demand-for-change advocates) will see things differently, particularly in regards to the 'necessary limits' in each case. In each case, the 'rights' of others are involved. With complex, social-policy changes such as these, Australia (I believe) will not be able adequately define, let alone maintain restraints - any more than can 'democratic Wikipedia'. Rules, ethics and respect are of little concern to some people. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Peter Allgeier Article ==

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== Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions ==

Thanks for adding the Montanists to [[Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions]] - I believe that belongs there. I notice you didn't add the 1st century prediction, and I think that's probably the right decision. Not only is there a dispute over whether Jesus or Paul predicated an apocalyptic event, but also over what event(s) they might have been referring to. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks. Whilst I certainly think the 1st century "prediction" (or rather the way people reacted to it) is notable in itself, I agree it doesn't belong at that page either. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Saturday Night Live cast members|SNL]] list ==

Hi Freikorp. You and I were posting on the SNL talk page at the same time. You can see my comments there. Btw, I meant no offense in my edit comment; I simply said "please get consensus". I know you opened a discussion - which I really appreciate - but there was no participation. In any case, I do apologize if I hurt your feelings. Thanks and have a wonderful new year! --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to mention... great job on noticing the cross symbol being used. I totally agree with your thoughts on that. Also, you said "It's been two weeks since I removed the content, and your revert has been the first reaction". Although it's the first reaction, the reason is because the article is relatively inactive - it only gets a few edits a month, which is why I'm not surprised at all that there were no comments on the talk page. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC) 06:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Hi. No worries, I probably over-reacted a little - it's often hard to judge the sentiment people are expressing in the limited space an edit summary provides. Thanks for your comments on the talk page. To be honest I should have waited a bit longer for comments (and I usually do) but I though Christianising the deaths of non-Christians was particularly rude and when I went to change that I thought I may as well make the other proposed change at the same time. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Dami Mission==
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:Thanks for letting me know. I've addressed all the issues that have been mentioned, and am awaiting further comments/suggestions at the articles entry. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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:Thanks. Those page statistics made me laugh - I didn't even think to look at them. I'm not surprised they spiked around December 21, but I wasn't expecting it to be by that much. You might think this is really silly, but I'll tell you anyway - I guess I edit wikipedia for the same reason the overwhelming majority of editors would, but my motivation for working on this page was hoping that if the page was well written, had a large number of notable predictions, and was well referenced, people scared of apocalyptic events would read it, see how many false prediction there have been over the millennia, and maybe calm down a notch. I decided to do this after noticing how some people were reacting to Harold Camping's 2011 predictions. I hope a few people took the 2012 prediction a little less serious after reading the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks for the note. I'll be vigilant. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== [[Rikas tyttö]] ==

Thanks for creating the article. I was just about to write you about the red links. [[User:Widr|Widr]] ([[User talk:Widr|talk]]) 07:52, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. I was considering writing to you about the red links as well. As per [[Wikipedia:Red links]], red links shouldn't necessarily be deleted on sight, as they are helpful for indicating that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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==Shake and Bake==
Hey man, I'm sorry I didn't correctly cite the edit I made earlier today. I put my rationale in the talk page, but not in the edit description itself. All the pop culture stuff pertaining to [[Shake and Bake]] and not [[Shake 'n Bake]] I put in the disambiguation page. The Simpsons ref was the only one that actually had anything to do with the Kraft food product, which is why I left it. Would it be alright if I restored the edit? — [[User:Muckapedia|Muckapedia]] ([[User_talk:Muckapedia|talk]]) 14e mars 2013 16h23 (−4h)

:Hi. Sorry for the late reply. I missed your talk page explanation - now that I've seen it your edit makes sense, and I've restored it myself. Cheers for the message. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013 ==

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'''Membership report''' 
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:Thomas Cranmer|Thomas Cranmer]], [[User:Mr.Oglesby|Mr.Oglesby]], and [[User:Stylistica|Sneha Priscilla]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it.

'''From the Editor''' 

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of [[User:John Carter|John Carter]], and so [[User:Gilderien|I]] have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of [[Pope Benedict XVI]] and the election of [[Pope Francis]]. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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'''Church of the month''' 
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'''Contest of the month''' 
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests]], and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

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[[Grade I listed churches in Cumbria]] was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]], and the image above of the [[Church of Saint Ildefonso]] was promoted to featured picture status.

[[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], by [[User:Khazar2|Khazar2]], was promoted to GA status, as well [[Third Epistle of John]] by [[User:Cerebellum|Cerebellum]].

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included [[St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Marion Irvine]] by [[User:Giants2008|Giants2008]]; [[Margaret McKenna]] by [[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]]; [[Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity]] by [[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]]; [[St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Vester Egesborg Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Undløse Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St Martin's Church, Næstved]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St. Peter, Syburg]] by [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Østre Porsgrunn Church]] by [[User:Strachkvas|Strachkvas]]; [[Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Dami Mission]] by [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]]; [[Mechanicsburg Baptist Church]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Acheiropoietos Monastery]], by [[User:Proudbolsahye|Proudbolsahye]]; [[T. Lawrason Riggs]], by [[User:Gareth E Kegg|Gareth E Kegg]]; [[McColley's Chapel]], by [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]]; [[Oświęcim Chapel]], by [[User:BurgererSF|BurgererSF]]; [[Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]], by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn]], by [[User:Yakikaki|Yakikaki]]; [[Old Stone Congregational Church]], by [[User:Orlady|Orlady]]l [[Heath Chapel]], by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[St. Joseph's Church, Beijing]], by [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]]; [[Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton]], by [[User:Rodw|Rodw]]; and [[St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] also by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Usq-DJ2rKo Complete recording]

<center>[[Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22]], a cantata by the German composer [[J.S. Bach]], was promoted to GA this month and was written by [[USer:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]]. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.
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'''Spotlight''' 
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The Spotlight this month turns to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Jesus work group|the Jesus work group]]. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, [[Jesus Christ]] and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include [[Jesus]], [[Christ]], [[Resurrection of Jesus]], and [[Holy Grail]], whereas High-priority articles include [[Aramaic Language]], a former FA, as well as [[Sermon on the Mount]], [[Lamb of God]], and [[Passion (Christianity)]]. The workgroup has also published two books, covering [[Book:Christ's Final Days |Christ's final days]] and the [[Book:Parables of Jesus|Parables of Jesus]]. The workgroup has two GAs, [[Nativity scene]], and [[Jesus in Islam]], but unfortunately the flagship article, [[Jesus]] was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three [[WP:1.0]] articles, and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-25/WikiProject_report|WikiWork]] of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By [[user:Gilderien|Gilderien]]

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'''Calendar''' 
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes [[Easter Sunday]] in Western Christianity and both [[Lazarus Saturday]] and [[Palm Sunday]] for the [[Eastern Orthodox Church]]. Other major feasts in the next month include those of [[Saint George]], [[Saint Mark the Evangelist]], [[Saint Stanislaus]], [[James, son of Zebedee]], and [[ Benedict the Moor]].
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'''Help requests''' 
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

<center>''Ichthus'' is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by [[WP:X|WikiProject Christianity]] For submissions contact the [[WT:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Newsroom]] • To unsubscribe add yourself to the list [[WP:X/O|here]] [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 13:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</center>
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== [[Australian Christian Lobby#Controversy and criticism]] ==

"members of the public"

Is a broad sweeping statement without factual evidence

There is no subsequent balance or context

"A group of Australian Christians"

There are millions, which group?

How is a segment of 250 people form a public narrative?

All questions I would like answered in the sake of fairness..... — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Greenmixa|Greenmixa]] ([[User talk:Greenmixa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenmixa|contribs]]) 02:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC) 

:Your edits have been contested by other users as well, and the criteria for inclusion or criticism and support of ACL's action has been an long contested debate, therefore it would be best for this conversation to take place on the ACL talk page, where other users can join in on the debate. I will move the conversation there. Also in the future please sign your comments with 4 ~'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Ways to improve Revolving Door (song) ==

Hi, I'm EagerToddler39. Freikorp, thanks for creating [[Revolving Door (song)]]!

I've just tagged the page, using our [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|page curation]] tools, as having some issues to fix. You base information on the reception of the song solely on what a Christian Genze. Other opinions needed to ensure a fair article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on [[User talk:EagerToddler39|my talk page]]. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at [[WP:TEAHOUSE|the Teahouse]].

==Your DYK nomination==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Losing Chase]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  --[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 15:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

{{tb|Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase}}--[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 18:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Losing Chase==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

== DYK Nomination of Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards ==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! (Sorry, I meant to post this when I reviewed the nomination, but apparently never hit the "save" button...). [[User:Canadian Paul|Canadian]] [[User talk:Canadian Paul|Paul]] 22:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== Re: Slutdrop ==

Hey there, sorry for the late response but I wanted to get a [[User_talk:PraetorianFury#Slutdrop|third opinion first]]. It's true that I didn't read the entire article at [[Slutdrop]], so I didn't want it to appear as though I was defending a mistaken revert. But besides the initial reasoning given, there are other problems with linking to Slutdrop. It is very tangentially related, and only by an opinionated claim made by someone at the Guardian. No one has explicitly made the connection between Slutwalks and Slutdrops in the sources. That's why I don't think it's an appropriate addition to the article at this time, with the sources available. [[User:PraetorianFury|PraetorianFury]] ([[User talk:PraetorianFury|talk]]) 17:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. If you had of reverted it saying "this is only tangentially related" I would have just let it go, it was just the fact you incorrectly stated it had nothing with reclaiming the word pushed one of my buttons a bit. Thanks for getting a third opinion; no hard feelings. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Slutdrop==
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}} [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Sandy MacGregor==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for The Discipline of Market Leaders==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Fifth Element ==

Just wanted to say great work overhauling the article, but please note that the awards section will need to be sourced, whether it's one citation used for all of the awards or individual citations as appropriate. While more tedious, the advantage of the latter approach would be that if editors change the awards table later it will still (hopefully) be clear which awards track to which sources. Happy Editing! [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 13:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks. The awards currently listed that don't have individual references are 6 of the 7 Cesar awards and 1 of the 4 Saturn awards. I'm going to assume the reference I posted on the talk page will be sufficient to cover all of them until someone tells me otherwise; I'll add it to the result column. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 14:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:I've found and added a few more individual references, so the only awards currently listed missing an individual reference are the 4 Cesar awards that it was nominated for but didn't win. If it turns out the blanket reference I found fails [[WP:RS]] removing those four nominations won't be such a big deal. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Order of Chiang Chung-Cheng]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Gbawden|Gbawden]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>You should consider joining the Orders, Decorations and Medals WikiProject</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Gbawden's [[User talk:Gbawden|talk page]].

Learn more about [[Wikipedia:New Pages Feed/Help|page curation]].

:Hi Gbawden. I appreciate the invite, and I'll take a look at the project once I've tied up all the things on my to-do list. I thought I should let you know that I am certainly no subject matter expert on awards though. I created the 'Order of Wen-Hu' as I had created the page for [[R.V.C. Bodley]], who won the award, and I found enough references to start a page for the award whilst searching for references on Bodley. I then created the other 4 awards as somebody added the 'Republic of China honours system' template to the Wen-Hu article, and the fact that the template was almost completely full or redlinks at the time annoyed me to the point of doing something about it :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Blockbuster Entertainment Awards==
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}} '''[[User:Harrias|Harrias]]''' [[User_talk:Harrias|talk]] 00:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for What Remains==
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}} '''[[User:Spinningspark|Spinning]][[User talk:Spinningspark|Spark''']]''' 01:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Stentor]] ==

I want to thank you for your last post at this discussion.  It was unusually helpful to my understanding.  Regarding the closing, I find it incomprehensible.  FYI, [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 00:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks, it retrospect I should have just boldly redirected the article instead of nominating for deletion. Considering the official website is clearly offline (leaving me wondering if the magazine is even still produced or not) which means the only sources the article had to begin with are now dead, I have redirected the article back to [[Lake Forest College]] anyway. If you think that is not appropriate feel free to let me know, I am happy to discuss the matter. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::Being dead doesn't change the fact that they are sources, it just makes it harder to locate copies.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::I support your bold redirect.  Coming after a keep closure, I think any objection needs to be given due respect.  Such seems unlikely since there are no known secondary sources, but time will tell.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards==
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== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Revolution Overdrive: Songs of Liberty]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>I reviewed your page and passed it. Great article. Just a reminder that it is an orphan and you should add links to it.</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Falkirks's [[User talk:Falkirks|talk page]].

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==DYK for Kaboom: The Suicide Bombing Game==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

==National Atlas of the United States DYK? Nomination==
I have now responded to you here--[[Template:Did you know nominations/National Atlas of the United States]]. Please take a look at my response and the things that I fixed for this DYK? nomination whenever you'll have the time. Thank you very much. [[User:Futurist110|Futurist110]] ([[User talk:Futurist110|talk]]) 00:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

== A cup of coffee for you! ==

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:You're welcome. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for You Can't Stop Me==
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== Filemover ==

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I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A{{PAGENAMEU}} granted] file mover rights to your account following either a request for those rights or a clear need for the ability to move files. For information on the file mover rights and under what circumstances it is okay to move files, see [[Wikipedia:File mover]]. If you do not want file mover rights anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. [[User talk:INeverCry|INeverCry]] 21:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Why thank you, again :). It certainly is nice to get recognition for the article. Come to think of it I haven't worked on converting the list of potential candidates on the article's talk page over to the actual article for a while now. I think I'll start working on that again soon. I gave up on my idea of writing a book about drug-related deaths. It was getting too difficult to find offline sources, not to mention it was time consuming, plus I knew I'd never make my money back (I was just doing it out of interest) so I figured I'd just stick to writing about in on wiki. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Eugene Tonkonogy==
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:Congrats man. And I know where the connection came from. ;) [[Special:Contributions/71.246.157.102|71.246.157.102]] ([[User talk:71.246.157.102|talk]]) 00:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

:: :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

== GA review started ==

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== Leigh Leigh ==
The book is "Who Killed Leigh Leigh?" by Kerry Carrington. I bought it from Amazon a month ago. It gives further information about the murder but it was published in 1998. I'm interested in this murder case also. It's kinda weird because I'm from Turkey and I've never been to Australia actually. ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 15:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

:Interesting, but understandable, I've taken interest in several articles regarding incidents on the other side of the planet. Anyway thanks a lot for the information :). [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for La Promenade du sceptique==
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A file that you uploaded or altered, [[:File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion]]. Please see the [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 November 18#File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg|'''discussion''']] to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you.  —[[User:Koavf|Justin (ko'''a'''vf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 19:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

:Cheers for the notification. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== About your 3O request ==

I'm a regular volunteer at the [[WP:3O|Third Opinion project]]. Your request has been removed due to the lack of any recent, much less thorough, talk page discussion about the dispute. Indeed, there's an argument to be made that when there's been no editing or discussion about a dispute for a considerable period of time that consensus by silence or by acquiescence has occurred and that there is no longer a dispute at all. Consensus can, of course, change: you can raise the issue again at the article talk page or start a [[WP:RFC|request for comments]], and if you come to an impasse then try dispute resolution, but at this point in time there's really nothing for dispute resolution to handle. Regards, [[User:TransporterMan|'''TransporterMan''']] ([[User talk:TransporterMan|TALK]]) 16:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

:Thanks for the information. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 22:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
==Orphaned non-free image File:Ralph (magazine).jpg==
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:Issue resolved. For some reason even though the image was being used on an article it was not counted as such. I managed to fix this issue be changing the way the image was formatted on the associated article. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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:Just for archival purposes i'd like to mention that this discussion was closed before I was made aware of its existence. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Access Ministries ==

Freikorp, you were asking about a reliable source for my edit? will this do? I am a bit new to this editing stuff! It is a statement form their website...
http://www.accessministries.org.au/news/id/19
[[User:Integrity+accuracy|Integrity+accuracy]] ([[User talk:Integrity+accuracy|talk]]) 05:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:It's a little bit of a grey area because it's a a self-published source with an obvious bias on the subject. As per [[WP:SELFPUB]], a self-published source, such as the Access Ministries official website, cannot be used to say anything about itself that is unduly self-serving. On one hand Access' claim that schools were simply not counted on the census is plausible. On the other hand Access have a vested interest in keeping their supporters morale high, so we also have to take into considerate that they may be stretching the truth to keep their supporters happy. The information currently in the article regarding the drop in attendance is presented as an accepted fact because it comes from a [[Wikipedia:Third-party sources|third party source]] that has no obvious bias on the subject (whether they are correct or not is irrelevant, they are an unbiased source so whatever they say will have much more weight than any primary source). Third party sources are ALWAYS preferred to primary sources. However since the claim is not outrageous, and it is a direct response to the media coverage already reported in the article, so as long as we present the information as according to Access Ministries, as opposed to an accepted fact, it should be fine, but others may disagree with me.

:As you have no doubt noticed, there is currently a lot of criticism about Access Ministries in the article, however, this is perfectly acceptable as all criticism is presented from mainstream third party sources that have no obvious agenda for or against Access Ministries, and each source is only used to support one sentence of information (It could be considered a violation of [[WP:Undue weight]] to write several sentences of criticism or praise using one source only). Accordingly if you wish to say favourable things about Access Ministries in the article, you will also have to also find mainstream sources. Christian websites and publications would be considered biased sources if they are used to say anything that promotes Access Ministries or their agenda. This policy swings both ways; I cannot use Atheist publications or activist websites like [http://religionsinschool.com FIRIS] to say anything negative about Access, as they are biased against the subject.

:Just a disclaimer, I am a supporter of FIRIS and accordingly I strongly oppose what Access Ministries do, but I have been editing wikipedia for years before I had heard of either Access of FIRIS, and I believe in the concept of Wikipedia, being that it should be a neutral encyclopaedia, free from bias. Naturally I tend to read and edit articles about things that interest me or are important to me, but I always try to do so without letting my feelings override any of wikipedia's guidelines. So if you need any advice on editing the article feel free to ask me. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

::Hold on. I just noticed something that I missed earlier. Access' numbers don't add up. The source you give does not dispute the mainstream media's original figure of 940 schools, they only dispute the final figure of 666 (their figure is 780), but they say that the fall in attendance was less than 5% over 3 years. A fall from 940 to 780 is a decrease of over 17%, not less than 5%. I think this is extremely strong evidence that Access is lying about something (either the number 780 or the percentage fall, one or the other, not sure which). Accordingly I no longer consider this source reliable for anything, and don't feel comfortable about it being used in the article. So my vote on this issue is now currently a 'No'. In my opinion you'll need a better source. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 09:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Another editor has since found a reliable source to back up your statement, so it looks like this issue is resolved now. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 21:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

== In The Name Of The King ==

Hi! Just a heads up that I removed your plot summary tag on [[In the Name of the King]]. I did a new plot summary completely from scratch that comes out of my local copy's word count as 4004 bytes and 618 words. Check it out, please! [[User:Featherwinglove|Featherwinglove]] ([[User talk:Featherwinglove|talk]]) 02:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

:No worries. It looks pretty good. Having not seen the film, I can't comment on how accurate it is or isn't (I found the article simply by looking through other films by Uwe Boll, having been a fan of his film Rampage, and upon noticing how overly long the old plot was simply added the tag.) Anyway, well done. Keep up the good work. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 06:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the notification. The image was removed from the article in question by another user, citing [[MOS:FILM]]. I am not contesting its removal or subsequent nomination for deletion. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

==[[Template:Did you know nominations/Nitro]]==
Your DYK review is incomplete. Please see nomination page. Thanks, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:Ditto for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mischief Makers]]. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for letting me know. Last time I reviewed for DYK (some time ago) I don't believe articles upgraded to GA were eligible for nomination. I assumed they would follow the same standards as new articles. I'll review what needs to be looked at this afternoon, and hopefully i'll be able to review it properly. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 23:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks. We are seeing a number of GA nominations lately that do not meet DYK criteria, especially in the area of [[WP:Close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]]. Some reviewers use the Dup Detector tool located to the right of the hook on the template page to check for close paraphrasing; I personally look up the sources and compare the writing. In the case of [[Mischief Makers]], the page creator is copying words and sentence structure a lot. That's okay if he would quote them directly, but to follow the language in the sources so closely is a cause for concern at DYK. Best, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 21:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Staircase model==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Staircase model]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Staircase model|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 00:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for the notification. I believe i've now resolved the issue. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Staircase model==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:21, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Thank you so much, it was actually the first new article i'd written in several months. :) I had just recently heard about the model and was surprised to not find an article on wikipedia about it already. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 18:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
::Great! I'm glad I got the chance to read it. Keep up the good work. [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]] (<big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|'''☎''']]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|'''✎''']]) 03:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Death in the West==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Jailbait ==

Just create a new nominations page for it. Though this time I would strongly advise you not to use any pictures with the nom. '''[[User:The C of E|The C of E God Save the Queen!]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 07:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for replying. Mandarax actually just reopened it, but I agree, the picture was a bad call. Certainly won't be pushing to have one included in the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Murder of Leigh Leigh ==

Congratulations to you for your work in this article. I'm glad that this article is nominated for [[WP:DYK|DYK]]. I'm still interested in this murder but I haven't got any further information since last year. I realised that there isn't any video footage on the Internet about this case and last year, I sent an e - mail to Crime and Investigation Australia for the possibility of making a documentary of it. They replied me that they'll see. Also I wanted to look some old articles from Newcastle Herald and I sent an e - mail to them too, but they hadn't replied. So, as I'm living in Turkey, I have no other choice that having further information. I'm so glad that you got the book and used it for improving this article. I think you did a great job. :) ([[User:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 22:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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== Query on [[Yeshivah College, Australia|Yeshiva College]] edits by DGG ==

Can you please look at the Talk pages and edits by DGG on Yeshiva College and let me know if that is legit and reasonable. I don't like the censorship going on unless there has been a breach of guidelines.

Can you reply by email to me mikeybear69@gmail.com if possible.

Thanks.

Michael.
[[User:Mikeybear|Mikey Bear]] ([[User talk:Mikeybear|talk]]) 02:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, thanks for contacting me. Unfortunately due to my work commitments until July 22nd I will be unable to access internet for long enough to look at anything right now. Basically I'm a fair bit off the beaten track at the moment and every few days when I get back to the civilised world I only have a few minutes to check emails before I have to get back to work. I know the issue may no longer be active in 2 weeks when I get back to the real world, but I promise to take a look at it then. Sorry I can't be of more help right now. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, sorry for the late reply, my life has been somewhat hectic. I've looked at the edits, and at the editors statement on the talk page. His arguments, particular regarding "any encyclopedic interest in the event as it pertains to the school does not require ... names" are logical, but you could certainly argue against them; he cites "DO NO HARM" but his edits could be considered in violation of the [[Wikipedia:Do no harm#Neutral point of view|Do no harm#Neutral point of view]] guideline. I would certainly be interested to see other experienced editors opinions on the matter; I am certain you are not the only one who disagrees with him. I personally think it is not inappropriate to name names prior to conviction if they have been reported by reliable sources. I would certainly vote to include the names after any convictions were made, and will comment on the issue at the talk page if any convictions are made.

:If you think another users edits could be violating a guideline don't hesitate to say so and attempt to counter their arguments on the talk page; if it turns out you were wrong you at least learn something new about editing and if an agreement is not reached and you still think they are wrong after discussion consult a [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] process; I have found the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]] and [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] processes to be very helpful at getting more opinions and resolving disputes. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 12:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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:Are you still interested into following this discussion:[[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby_discussion]]? — [[User:Hahc21|'''ΛΧΣ''']][[User_talk:Hahc21|'''21'''™]] 03:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

:I respect you. You are willing to participate in meaningful discussions. I believe that you, 'adhere to guidelines'. I do not respect Grotekennis. Grotekennis, ignores Wiki P&Gs, editor comments, editor consensus, Reliable Source Noticeboard consensus and Dispute Resolution Noticeboard consensus and does what he wants to do. He demands 'scientific research' while dismissing and removing 'scientific research' which does not suit him. The summary of the finding of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby|Dispute resolution noticeboard]] presented by ΛΧΣ21 and supported by all the editors who participated is, "''all of the sources that have been added to the article and do not talk about the ACL should be removed and the content it was supposedly supported, removed too''" THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES currently [30] to [34] PROVIDED FOR THE PARAGRAPH DO NOT TALK ABOUT ACL. The 'volunteer' (who Grotekennis mentioned as justifying his edits) specifically said, "''the sources need to mention ACL or its affiliates related to the topic being discussed. Wikipedias guidelines on sources are very clear on this point''". THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES DO NOT MENTION ACL OR ITS AFFILIATES.

::Interestingly, last week Australia's Kirby Institute's Surveillance and Evaluation Program for Public Health at the University of New South Wales - released its latest scientific research. Refer HIV cases in Australia is on the rise http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hiv-cases-in-australia-is-on-the-rise/story-e6frg6n6-1226497432701 An interesting read. The head of the Institute, Associate Professor David Wilson, said the real rise in the number of cases, "was of concern". Jim Wallace's concern is further validated.

::Also interestingly the Jensen citation supporting Jim Wallace (also deleted) refers the need for 'compassion and objectivity' http://www.smh.com.au/national/anglican-archbishop-backs-christian-lobbys-gay-views-20120910-25ogi.html Jensen went on to say, "It's very hard to get to the facts here because we don't want to talk about it, and in this country censorship is alive and well".

::On another matter - on 13:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC) you said, "The ACL make a lot of outrageously distorted claims . . . ". I completely agree with the point you were making to Grotekennis - obviously he was not interested. However the euthanasia-trivial-reasons-example you used, which included the words, "absolutely absurd", "baseless scare tactic", may have been a bit strong considering [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] has said that, these casualties are tragic. Youth suicide is tragic - (in today's media) http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mental-health-experts-on-standby-for-schools-hit-by-suicide-as-part-of-federal-government-campaign/story-e6frf7kx-1226502696526

:Grotekennis is determined to get his way and in so doing undermines the credibility of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sam56mas|contribs]]) 12:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC) 

::Thanks for your comments. Grotekennis frustrates me also. I noticed what you mentioned regarding his edits and the only reason I haven't done anything about it is because I'm going on vacation tomorrow and I don't want to start any disputes before I go, but I certainly believe all references that do not mention the ACL should be removed, and I will remove these references myself once I get back from vacation if they are still there.

::Regarding your other comments: I'm happy to debate things in general if you like here. Providing opposing arguments are based on logic (as opposed to superstition, it really makes me angry when people say they are for/against something ONLY because their holy book says so) I often find it interesting to hear other peoples opinions on things, even if they differ greatly from my own.

::There is no doubt that homosexual men are far more likely to have HIV than heterosexual men. Conservative Christians mention this fact often. What I've never heard a conservative Christian mention, however, is the fact that homosexual women are far less likely to have HIV than heterosexual women. In the United States at least, there has never been a confirmed case of a women getting HIV through sex with another women [http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm] Jim Wallace says "the homosexual lifestyle has some disastrous health outcomes" and cites HIV as an example however HIV rates amongst women would undeniably drop if more women only had sex with women. The ACL often only tell half the story, give undue weight to certain facts and completely ignore information that harms their cause (this is hardly surprising, most lobby groups do this). I also find it incredibly appalling that Jim Wallace brings up the fact that LGBT people are far more likely to be depressed. Of course they are far more likely to be depressed in this country; our government and the ACL treat them like second class citizens! Rates of depression amongst LGBT people are lower in countries where gay marriage is legal. A guy I went to high school with posted this on Facebook after the gay marriage bill was voted down:

:::''To be completely honest, I don't know if I ever want/feel the need to get married, but to have a bunch of elected, "learned" people tell me that I am not worthy of the option because of a certain facet of me that I was born with and have no control over, actually almost overwhelms me to tears. And to read that Senator Cory Bernardi suggests gay marriage will lead to beastiality makes me feel the same pit in my stomach I felt as a teenager who struggled to accept who I am.''

::I'm not gay or even bisexual, to be perfectly honest I don't understand how men can be attracted to other men. But every moral fibre of my being tells me it is wrong to deprive someone of rights just because of what they have between their legs, and just FYI that's why I campaign for gay marriage.

::Regarding the euthanasia comments. Yes I agree my wording was harsher than it needed to be but this was because it was aimed at Grotekennis. I thought if I stressed how much I don't like the ACL he might value my opinion more (I don't think it worked, lol). I firmly stand by the general point I was making though. Legalising euthanasia for people who are already dying or people who have extremely poor quality of life with no chance of improvement (for example, quadriplegics) is not going to lead to to people legally getting assistance with euthanasia for trivial reasons. I understand some depressed people have used Nitschke's methods to kill themselves (despite the disclaimers he provides with this information) however this is, unfortunately, a fact of life. Some depressed people are going to attempt to take their own lives no matter what you do, and some people are always going to use information in a way it was not intended to be used. Example: I still have the chemistry textbook I bought when I was at University. Now if I wanted to I could use the information in that textbook to help me make a bomb or illegal drugs, but just because this information could potentially be abused shouldn't be a valid reason to censor chemistry. Have you read [[The Peaceful Pill Handbook]]? I'll post you a copy for free if you like. I'd assume it would be an interesting read even for people against euthanasia, but I can't exactly guarantee that of course. I'd make a comment about why I am for voluntary euthanasia, but instead i'll just advertise this website that you might find interesting: http://www.christiansforve.org.au I'm actually a member of this organisation and have worked with them in the past (openly as an atheist, they accept support from heathens lol).

::Well I'm logging out of wiki now and I won't be back for two weeks. See you then. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your detailed comments.

:::Re your: "I will remove these references myself . . . " Thank you. I have added a comment on the ACL talk page and at [[User_talk:Dominus_Vobisdu#ACL]]

:::My personal view on euthanasia is not based on 'superstition' and has not been formed 'ONLY because their holy book says so'. In my case, it is a belief in the dignity, the beauty and the fragility of life and a concern for the unknown flow-on effects for the elderly, (plus [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] comments) which causes me to believe we need to be very careful here. Others (obviously for various reasons) are concerned about euthanasia, for instance: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-lets-put-legalised-euthanasia-issue-down/story-e6frezz0-1226504473514

:::The matter of HIV and women - with respect - is a red herring and can be explained (for me) by issues as such as male promiscuity and male physiology.

:::The 'deprive someone of rights just because . . . ' is a simplistic characterisation of a much more complex situation. Detailed responses by others are available elsewhere. To respond to your question with a question > Why are there demands that the distinctions associated with 'LGBTI' must be disaggregated, while the distinctions associated with 'marriage' must be aggregated? To say depression in the LGTBI community (which I don't deny) is (largely?) caused by homophobia, seems to me to be primarily a blame-shifting exercise.

:::You mention quadriplegia. I have a friend who was very active and inspirational. He owns a successful project-home-building company. Two years ago, he crashed into another bike rider on a bike-track. He is now a quadriplegic - he remains an inspirational person. It can be a mental issue, rather than a physical issue. I know a number of depressed people and others 'on the edge' some with drug issues - some now dead - and of course the frail-elderly. As a society we should offer encouragement and support, rather than offering a chemical way out. A friend was telling me about a man she met a few years ago. Apparently he had no contact with his family. He had no contact with his children or grandchildren. He admitted he was very lonely. He was an active euthanasia advocate.

:::Your offered of a copy of the Peaceful pill handbook. Thanks, but no thanks. I can see enough here [[The_Peaceful_Pill_Handbook]] and http://www.peacefulpillhandbook.com/ plus links. Wikipedia notes: "Nitschke was involved in an argument in the press with the family of a woman suffering from post-natal depression who read the book and took the advice offered about travelling to Mexico. Her drawn-out death caused her family to attack the accuracy of the book's advice". I note: "This eBook is not intended for the mentally ill or depressed. Those with psychiatric conditions should contact their family physicians". Hardly reassuring to me that this sentence would prevent inappropriate use. Many people (as evidenced by determined Wikipedia editors) take little notice of what is written.

:::I have no problem with not continuing life by artificial means. I have no problem with criticism of ACL, providing it is done within the Wikipeda P&Gs. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 22:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

::::Just thought I'd clear a few things up. Firstly if you were offended I apologise - I wasn't trying to belittle you with the 'holy book' sentence, I've just had conversations with Christians before who openly admit they are only against homosexuality because the bible is against it, and they blindly obey the book regardless of how they personally feel about things. It's made me a bit defensive about debating with religious people.

::::Being for legalised euthanasia certainly does not make me want it as the first choice for anyone. If your friend is still happy to go on living as a quadriplegic that actually makes me happy, I just think people should have the option to die peacefully if they are not physically going to get better. I'm actually for euthanasia for very similar reasons to why you say you are against it, I believe in the beauty and dignity of life. I also believe encouragement and support should be offered first, but there are situations where encouragement and support are not going to help - some time ago I watched a close relative die from cancer slowly over several months. His quality of life was extremely poor; for the last few weeks he couldn't move his arms or his legs at all, and struggled to turn his head to look at us. Encouragement and support are not going to help here, I'm not 100% sure he knew where he was and what was happening in the last few days. By the time he died this person whom I loved had no dignity or beauty left, I was actually relieved when he died because that meant he didn't have to suffer anymore. If I get diagnosed with the same kind of terminal cancer I don't want to be forced to die like that, I'd like society to have some compassion and allow me to die peacefully at my own discretion. I want Australia to have the same euthanasia laws as [[Oregon Death with Dignity Act|Oregon]].

::::I'm certain there are factors other than homophobia and lack of rights for LGBTI people that cause depression, I wasn't trying to say all the blame lies with the ACL and people who share their opinions, I was trying to make a specific point. You see I often wonder, but I've never found out, if the ACL and their supporters actually realise how much damage they do to the mental health of gay people. I close friend of mine who is a lesbian was actually reduced to tears after reading comments made at the National Marriage Day (slippery slope to polygamy, comparison to paedophilia, gay marriage should be laughed at etc). The sentiment expressed in the comments my friend posted on Facebook are typical amongst how at least all the gay people I know react to lobbying against LGBT rights.

::::I understand moral objection to euthanasia and abortion. I do not understand objection to gay marriage. If you don't like gay marriage don't marry a gay person; problem solved. I remember reading an extract from an email the ACL sent out to their followers, in which they complained that they were losing the debate over gay marriage. I couldn't help but think, what on earth do the ACL think they are losing? If gay marriage becomes legal, the 40-something percent of Christians who are against gay marriage won't have lost anything. They still can get married in the manner they wish to, the only difference is now other people have the same rights they've always had. Why should we all be bound by a interpretation of marriage that only a particular group of Christians believe in? I just don't understand the ACL's position on LGBT rights, and neither do just over half of Christians according to recent polls. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thank you. I have no problem with people expressing, or respectfully promoting the views that they hold. I will get back to you in a few days, after I demonstrate something. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 23:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

::::::There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL. Fine. There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL, and who make sure that Wikipedia ACL is skewed towards their views. They are not interested in 'etiquette' or respect for Wikipedia policies or guidelines. (Other than demanding strict adherence by others). In my opinion you are not part of that second group. While you may be able to define what you mean by: Reproductive Rights, Marriage Equality and Right to Die, others (specifically the demand-for-change advocates) will see things differently, particularly in regards to the 'necessary limits' in each case. In each case, the 'rights' of others are involved. With complex, social-policy changes such as these, Australia (I believe) will not be able adequately define, let alone maintain restraints - any more than can 'democratic Wikipedia'. Rules, ethics and respect are of little concern to some people. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Peter Allgeier Article ==

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== Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions ==

Thanks for adding the Montanists to [[Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions]] - I believe that belongs there. I notice you didn't add the 1st century prediction, and I think that's probably the right decision. Not only is there a dispute over whether Jesus or Paul predicated an apocalyptic event, but also over what event(s) they might have been referring to. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks. Whilst I certainly think the 1st century "prediction" (or rather the way people reacted to it) is notable in itself, I agree it doesn't belong at that page either. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Saturday Night Live cast members|SNL]] list ==

Hi Freikorp. You and I were posting on the SNL talk page at the same time. You can see my comments there. Btw, I meant no offense in my edit comment; I simply said "please get consensus". I know you opened a discussion - which I really appreciate - but there was no participation. In any case, I do apologize if I hurt your feelings. Thanks and have a wonderful new year! --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to mention... great job on noticing the cross symbol being used. I totally agree with your thoughts on that. Also, you said "It's been two weeks since I removed the content, and your revert has been the first reaction". Although it's the first reaction, the reason is because the article is relatively inactive - it only gets a few edits a month, which is why I'm not surprised at all that there were no comments on the talk page. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC) 06:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Hi. No worries, I probably over-reacted a little - it's often hard to judge the sentiment people are expressing in the limited space an edit summary provides. Thanks for your comments on the talk page. To be honest I should have waited a bit longer for comments (and I usually do) but I though Christianising the deaths of non-Christians was particularly rude and when I went to change that I thought I may as well make the other proposed change at the same time. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Dami Mission==
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:Thanks for letting me know. I've addressed all the issues that have been mentioned, and am awaiting further comments/suggestions at the articles entry. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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:Thanks. Those page statistics made me laugh - I didn't even think to look at them. I'm not surprised they spiked around December 21, but I wasn't expecting it to be by that much. You might think this is really silly, but I'll tell you anyway - I guess I edit wikipedia for the same reason the overwhelming majority of editors would, but my motivation for working on this page was hoping that if the page was well written, had a large number of notable predictions, and was well referenced, people scared of apocalyptic events would read it, see how many false prediction there have been over the millennia, and maybe calm down a notch. I decided to do this after noticing how some people were reacting to Harold Camping's 2011 predictions. I hope a few people took the 2012 prediction a little less serious after reading the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks for the note. I'll be vigilant. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== [[Rikas tyttö]] ==

Thanks for creating the article. I was just about to write you about the red links. [[User:Widr|Widr]] ([[User talk:Widr|talk]]) 07:52, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. I was considering writing to you about the red links as well. As per [[Wikipedia:Red links]], red links shouldn't necessarily be deleted on sight, as they are helpful for indicating that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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==Shake and Bake==
Hey man, I'm sorry I didn't correctly cite the edit I made earlier today. I put my rationale in the talk page, but not in the edit description itself. All the pop culture stuff pertaining to [[Shake and Bake]] and not [[Shake 'n Bake]] I put in the disambiguation page. The Simpsons ref was the only one that actually had anything to do with the Kraft food product, which is why I left it. Would it be alright if I restored the edit? — [[User:Muckapedia|Muckapedia]] ([[User_talk:Muckapedia|talk]]) 14e mars 2013 16h23 (−4h)

:Hi. Sorry for the late reply. I missed your talk page explanation - now that I've seen it your edit makes sense, and I've restored it myself. Cheers for the message. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013 ==

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'''Membership report''' 
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:Thomas Cranmer|Thomas Cranmer]], [[User:Mr.Oglesby|Mr.Oglesby]], and [[User:Stylistica|Sneha Priscilla]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it.

'''From the Editor''' 

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of [[User:John Carter|John Carter]], and so [[User:Gilderien|I]] have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of [[Pope Benedict XVI]] and the election of [[Pope Francis]]. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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'''Church of the month''' 
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'''Contest of the month''' 
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests]], and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

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[[Grade I listed churches in Cumbria]] was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]], and the image above of the [[Church of Saint Ildefonso]] was promoted to featured picture status.

[[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], by [[User:Khazar2|Khazar2]], was promoted to GA status, as well [[Third Epistle of John]] by [[User:Cerebellum|Cerebellum]].

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included [[St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Marion Irvine]] by [[User:Giants2008|Giants2008]]; [[Margaret McKenna]] by [[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]]; [[Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity]] by [[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]]; [[St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Vester Egesborg Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Undløse Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St Martin's Church, Næstved]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St. Peter, Syburg]] by [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Østre Porsgrunn Church]] by [[User:Strachkvas|Strachkvas]]; [[Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Dami Mission]] by [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]]; [[Mechanicsburg Baptist Church]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Acheiropoietos Monastery]], by [[User:Proudbolsahye|Proudbolsahye]]; [[T. Lawrason Riggs]], by [[User:Gareth E Kegg|Gareth E Kegg]]; [[McColley's Chapel]], by [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]]; [[Oświęcim Chapel]], by [[User:BurgererSF|BurgererSF]]; [[Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]], by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn]], by [[User:Yakikaki|Yakikaki]]; [[Old Stone Congregational Church]], by [[User:Orlady|Orlady]]l [[Heath Chapel]], by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[St. Joseph's Church, Beijing]], by [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]]; [[Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton]], by [[User:Rodw|Rodw]]; and [[St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] also by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Usq-DJ2rKo Complete recording]

<center>[[Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22]], a cantata by the German composer [[J.S. Bach]], was promoted to GA this month and was written by [[USer:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]]. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.
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'''Spotlight''' 
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The Spotlight this month turns to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Jesus work group|the Jesus work group]]. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, [[Jesus Christ]] and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include [[Jesus]], [[Christ]], [[Resurrection of Jesus]], and [[Holy Grail]], whereas High-priority articles include [[Aramaic Language]], a former FA, as well as [[Sermon on the Mount]], [[Lamb of God]], and [[Passion (Christianity)]]. The workgroup has also published two books, covering [[Book:Christ's Final Days |Christ's final days]] and the [[Book:Parables of Jesus|Parables of Jesus]]. The workgroup has two GAs, [[Nativity scene]], and [[Jesus in Islam]], but unfortunately the flagship article, [[Jesus]] was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three [[WP:1.0]] articles, and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-25/WikiProject_report|WikiWork]] of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By [[user:Gilderien|Gilderien]]

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'''Calendar''' 
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes [[Easter Sunday]] in Western Christianity and both [[Lazarus Saturday]] and [[Palm Sunday]] for the [[Eastern Orthodox Church]]. Other major feasts in the next month include those of [[Saint George]], [[Saint Mark the Evangelist]], [[Saint Stanislaus]], [[James, son of Zebedee]], and [[ Benedict the Moor]].
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'''Help requests''' 
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

<center>''Ichthus'' is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by [[WP:X|WikiProject Christianity]] For submissions contact the [[WT:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Newsroom]] • To unsubscribe add yourself to the list [[WP:X/O|here]] [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 13:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</center>
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== [[Australian Christian Lobby#Controversy and criticism]] ==

"members of the public"

Is a broad sweeping statement without factual evidence

There is no subsequent balance or context

"A group of Australian Christians"

There are millions, which group?

How is a segment of 250 people form a public narrative?

All questions I would like answered in the sake of fairness..... — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Greenmixa|Greenmixa]] ([[User talk:Greenmixa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenmixa|contribs]]) 02:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC) 

:Your edits have been contested by other users as well, and the criteria for inclusion or criticism and support of ACL's action has been an long contested debate, therefore it would be best for this conversation to take place on the ACL talk page, where other users can join in on the debate. I will move the conversation there. Also in the future please sign your comments with 4 ~'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Ways to improve Revolving Door (song) ==

Hi, I'm EagerToddler39. Freikorp, thanks for creating [[Revolving Door (song)]]!

I've just tagged the page, using our [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|page curation]] tools, as having some issues to fix. You base information on the reception of the song solely on what a Christian Genze. Other opinions needed to ensure a fair article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on [[User talk:EagerToddler39|my talk page]]. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at [[WP:TEAHOUSE|the Teahouse]].

==Your DYK nomination==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Losing Chase]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  --[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 15:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

{{tb|Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase}}--[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 18:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Losing Chase==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

== DYK Nomination of Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards ==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! (Sorry, I meant to post this when I reviewed the nomination, but apparently never hit the "save" button...). [[User:Canadian Paul|Canadian]] [[User talk:Canadian Paul|Paul]] 22:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== Re: Slutdrop ==

Hey there, sorry for the late response but I wanted to get a [[User_talk:PraetorianFury#Slutdrop|third opinion first]]. It's true that I didn't read the entire article at [[Slutdrop]], so I didn't want it to appear as though I was defending a mistaken revert. But besides the initial reasoning given, there are other problems with linking to Slutdrop. It is very tangentially related, and only by an opinionated claim made by someone at the Guardian. No one has explicitly made the connection between Slutwalks and Slutdrops in the sources. That's why I don't think it's an appropriate addition to the article at this time, with the sources available. [[User:PraetorianFury|PraetorianFury]] ([[User talk:PraetorianFury|talk]]) 17:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. If you had of reverted it saying "this is only tangentially related" I would have just let it go, it was just the fact you incorrectly stated it had nothing with reclaiming the word pushed one of my buttons a bit. Thanks for getting a third opinion; no hard feelings. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Slutdrop==
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}} [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Sandy MacGregor==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for The Discipline of Market Leaders==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Fifth Element ==

Just wanted to say great work overhauling the article, but please note that the awards section will need to be sourced, whether it's one citation used for all of the awards or individual citations as appropriate. While more tedious, the advantage of the latter approach would be that if editors change the awards table later it will still (hopefully) be clear which awards track to which sources. Happy Editing! [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 13:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks. The awards currently listed that don't have individual references are 6 of the 7 Cesar awards and 1 of the 4 Saturn awards. I'm going to assume the reference I posted on the talk page will be sufficient to cover all of them until someone tells me otherwise; I'll add it to the result column. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 14:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:I've found and added a few more individual references, so the only awards currently listed missing an individual reference are the 4 Cesar awards that it was nominated for but didn't win. If it turns out the blanket reference I found fails [[WP:RS]] removing those four nominations won't be such a big deal. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Order of Chiang Chung-Cheng]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Gbawden|Gbawden]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>You should consider joining the Orders, Decorations and Medals WikiProject</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Gbawden's [[User talk:Gbawden|talk page]].

Learn more about [[Wikipedia:New Pages Feed/Help|page curation]].

:Hi Gbawden. I appreciate the invite, and I'll take a look at the project once I've tied up all the things on my to-do list. I thought I should let you know that I am certainly no subject matter expert on awards though. I created the 'Order of Wen-Hu' as I had created the page for [[R.V.C. Bodley]], who won the award, and I found enough references to start a page for the award whilst searching for references on Bodley. I then created the other 4 awards as somebody added the 'Republic of China honours system' template to the Wen-Hu article, and the fact that the template was almost completely full or redlinks at the time annoyed me to the point of doing something about it :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Blockbuster Entertainment Awards==
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}} '''[[User:Harrias|Harrias]]''' [[User_talk:Harrias|talk]] 00:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for What Remains==
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}} '''[[User:Spinningspark|Spinning]][[User talk:Spinningspark|Spark''']]''' 01:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Stentor]] ==

I want to thank you for your last post at this discussion.  It was unusually helpful to my understanding.  Regarding the closing, I find it incomprehensible.  FYI, [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 00:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks, it retrospect I should have just boldly redirected the article instead of nominating for deletion. Considering the official website is clearly offline (leaving me wondering if the magazine is even still produced or not) which means the only sources the article had to begin with are now dead, I have redirected the article back to [[Lake Forest College]] anyway. If you think that is not appropriate feel free to let me know, I am happy to discuss the matter. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::Being dead doesn't change the fact that they are sources, it just makes it harder to locate copies.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::I support your bold redirect.  Coming after a keep closure, I think any objection needs to be given due respect.  Such seems unlikely since there are no known secondary sources, but time will tell.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards==
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== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Revolution Overdrive: Songs of Liberty]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>I reviewed your page and passed it. Great article. Just a reminder that it is an orphan and you should add links to it.</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Falkirks's [[User talk:Falkirks|talk page]].

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==DYK for Kaboom: The Suicide Bombing Game==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

==National Atlas of the United States DYK? Nomination==
I have now responded to you here--[[Template:Did you know nominations/National Atlas of the United States]]. Please take a look at my response and the things that I fixed for this DYK? nomination whenever you'll have the time. Thank you very much. [[User:Futurist110|Futurist110]] ([[User talk:Futurist110|talk]]) 00:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

== A cup of coffee for you! ==

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:You're welcome. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for You Can't Stop Me==
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== Filemover ==

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I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A{{PAGENAMEU}} granted] file mover rights to your account following either a request for those rights or a clear need for the ability to move files. For information on the file mover rights and under what circumstances it is okay to move files, see [[Wikipedia:File mover]]. If you do not want file mover rights anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. [[User talk:INeverCry|INeverCry]] 21:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Why thank you, again :). It certainly is nice to get recognition for the article. Come to think of it I haven't worked on converting the list of potential candidates on the article's talk page over to the actual article for a while now. I think I'll start working on that again soon. I gave up on my idea of writing a book about drug-related deaths. It was getting too difficult to find offline sources, not to mention it was time consuming, plus I knew I'd never make my money back (I was just doing it out of interest) so I figured I'd just stick to writing about in on wiki. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Eugene Tonkonogy==
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:Congrats man. And I know where the connection came from. ;) [[Special:Contributions/71.246.157.102|71.246.157.102]] ([[User talk:71.246.157.102|talk]]) 00:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

:: :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

== GA review started ==

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== Leigh Leigh ==
The book is "Who Killed Leigh Leigh?" by Kerry Carrington. I bought it from Amazon a month ago. It gives further information about the murder but it was published in 1998. I'm interested in this murder case also. It's kinda weird because I'm from Turkey and I've never been to Australia actually. ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 15:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

:Interesting, but understandable, I've taken interest in several articles regarding incidents on the other side of the planet. Anyway thanks a lot for the information :). [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for La Promenade du sceptique==
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== File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg listed for deletion ==
A file that you uploaded or altered, [[:File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion]]. Please see the [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 November 18#File:Dirrty Slutdrop.jpg|'''discussion''']] to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you.  —[[User:Koavf|Justin (ko'''a'''vf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 19:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

:Cheers for the notification. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== About your 3O request ==

I'm a regular volunteer at the [[WP:3O|Third Opinion project]]. Your request has been removed due to the lack of any recent, much less thorough, talk page discussion about the dispute. Indeed, there's an argument to be made that when there's been no editing or discussion about a dispute for a considerable period of time that consensus by silence or by acquiescence has occurred and that there is no longer a dispute at all. Consensus can, of course, change: you can raise the issue again at the article talk page or start a [[WP:RFC|request for comments]], and if you come to an impasse then try dispute resolution, but at this point in time there's really nothing for dispute resolution to handle. Regards, [[User:TransporterMan|'''TransporterMan''']] ([[User talk:TransporterMan|TALK]]) 16:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

:Thanks for the information. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 22:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
==Orphaned non-free image File:Ralph (magazine).jpg==
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:Issue resolved. For some reason even though the image was being used on an article it was not counted as such. I managed to fix this issue be changing the way the image was formatted on the associated article. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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--[[Special:Contributions/173.59.201.71|173.59.201.71]] ([[User talk:173.59.201.71|talk]]) 16:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

:Just for archival purposes i'd like to mention that this discussion was closed before I was made aware of its existence. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Access Ministries ==

Freikorp, you were asking about a reliable source for my edit? will this do? I am a bit new to this editing stuff! It is a statement form their website...
http://www.accessministries.org.au/news/id/19
[[User:Integrity+accuracy|Integrity+accuracy]] ([[User talk:Integrity+accuracy|talk]]) 05:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:It's a little bit of a grey area because it's a a self-published source with an obvious bias on the subject. As per [[WP:SELFPUB]], a self-published source, such as the Access Ministries official website, cannot be used to say anything about itself that is unduly self-serving. On one hand Access' claim that schools were simply not counted on the census is plausible. On the other hand Access have a vested interest in keeping their supporters morale high, so we also have to take into considerate that they may be stretching the truth to keep their supporters happy. The information currently in the article regarding the drop in attendance is presented as an accepted fact because it comes from a [[Wikipedia:Third-party sources|third party source]] that has no obvious bias on the subject (whether they are correct or not is irrelevant, they are an unbiased source so whatever they say will have much more weight than any primary source). Third party sources are ALWAYS preferred to primary sources. However since the claim is not outrageous, and it is a direct response to the media coverage already reported in the article, so as long as we present the information as according to Access Ministries, as opposed to an accepted fact, it should be fine, but others may disagree with me.

:As you have no doubt noticed, there is currently a lot of criticism about Access Ministries in the article, however, this is perfectly acceptable as all criticism is presented from mainstream third party sources that have no obvious agenda for or against Access Ministries, and each source is only used to support one sentence of information (It could be considered a violation of [[WP:Undue weight]] to write several sentences of criticism or praise using one source only). Accordingly if you wish to say favourable things about Access Ministries in the article, you will also have to also find mainstream sources. Christian websites and publications would be considered biased sources if they are used to say anything that promotes Access Ministries or their agenda. This policy swings both ways; I cannot use Atheist publications or activist websites like [http://religionsinschool.com FIRIS] to say anything negative about Access, as they are biased against the subject.

:Just a disclaimer, I am a supporter of FIRIS and accordingly I strongly oppose what Access Ministries do, but I have been editing wikipedia for years before I had heard of either Access of FIRIS, and I believe in the concept of Wikipedia, being that it should be a neutral encyclopaedia, free from bias. Naturally I tend to read and edit articles about things that interest me or are important to me, but I always try to do so without letting my feelings override any of wikipedia's guidelines. So if you need any advice on editing the article feel free to ask me. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

::Hold on. I just noticed something that I missed earlier. Access' numbers don't add up. The source you give does not dispute the mainstream media's original figure of 940 schools, they only dispute the final figure of 666 (their figure is 780), but they say that the fall in attendance was less than 5% over 3 years. A fall from 940 to 780 is a decrease of over 17%, not less than 5%. I think this is extremely strong evidence that Access is lying about something (either the number 780 or the percentage fall, one or the other, not sure which). Accordingly I no longer consider this source reliable for anything, and don't feel comfortable about it being used in the article. So my vote on this issue is now currently a 'No'. In my opinion you'll need a better source. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 09:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Another editor has since found a reliable source to back up your statement, so it looks like this issue is resolved now. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 21:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

== In The Name Of The King ==

Hi! Just a heads up that I removed your plot summary tag on [[In the Name of the King]]. I did a new plot summary completely from scratch that comes out of my local copy's word count as 4004 bytes and 618 words. Check it out, please! [[User:Featherwinglove|Featherwinglove]] ([[User talk:Featherwinglove|talk]]) 02:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

:No worries. It looks pretty good. Having not seen the film, I can't comment on how accurate it is or isn't (I found the article simply by looking through other films by Uwe Boll, having been a fan of his film Rampage, and upon noticing how overly long the old plot was simply added the tag.) Anyway, well done. Keep up the good work. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 06:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the notification. The image was removed from the article in question by another user, citing [[MOS:FILM]]. I am not contesting its removal or subsequent nomination for deletion. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

==[[Template:Did you know nominations/Nitro]]==
Your DYK review is incomplete. Please see nomination page. Thanks, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:Ditto for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mischief Makers]]. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 17:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for letting me know. Last time I reviewed for DYK (some time ago) I don't believe articles upgraded to GA were eligible for nomination. I assumed they would follow the same standards as new articles. I'll review what needs to be looked at this afternoon, and hopefully i'll be able to review it properly. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 23:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks. We are seeing a number of GA nominations lately that do not meet DYK criteria, especially in the area of [[WP:Close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]]. Some reviewers use the Dup Detector tool located to the right of the hook on the template page to check for close paraphrasing; I personally look up the sources and compare the writing. In the case of [[Mischief Makers]], the page creator is copying words and sentence structure a lot. That's okay if he would quote them directly, but to follow the language in the sources so closely is a cause for concern at DYK. Best, [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 21:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Staircase model==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Staircase model]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Staircase model|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 00:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for the notification. I believe i've now resolved the issue. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 04:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Staircase model==
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|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#1 June 2014|1 June 2014]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Staircase model]]''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that there are six floors in the '''[[staircase model]]''' of [[terrorism]]?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Staircase model|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Staircase model]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Staircase model|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Staircase model]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/index.php?page=Staircase_model&datefrom=2014-06-01&dateto=2014-06-31 live views], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201406/Staircase_model daily totals]), and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]].
}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:21, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Thank you so much, it was actually the first new article i'd written in several months. :) I had just recently heard about the model and was surprised to not find an article on wikipedia about it already. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 18:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
::Great! I'm glad I got the chance to read it. Keep up the good work. [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]] (<big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|'''☎''']]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|'''✎''']]) 03:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Death in the West==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Jailbait ==

Just create a new nominations page for it. Though this time I would strongly advise you not to use any pictures with the nom. '''[[User:The C of E|The C of E God Save the Queen!]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 07:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for replying. Mandarax actually just reopened it, but I agree, the picture was a bad call. Certainly won't be pushing to have one included in the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

== re:Murder of Leigh Leigh ==

Congratulations to you for your work in this article. I'm glad that this article is nominated for [[WP:DYK|DYK]]. I'm still interested in this murder but I haven't got any further information since last year. I realised that there isn't any video footage on the Internet about this case and last year, I sent an e - mail to Crime and Investigation Australia for the possibility of making a documentary of it. They replied me that they'll see. Also I wanted to look some old articles from Newcastle Herald and I sent an e - mail to them too, but they hadn't replied. So, as I'm living in Turkey, I have no other choice that having further information. I'm so glad that you got the book and used it for improving this article. I think you did a great job. :) ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 22:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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MaddyRockFan:

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MaddyRockFan:

==Murder of Leigh Leigh==

Your edit summary here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder_of_Leigh_Leigh&diff=563406812&oldid=545836274] mentions that you know her birth name from a book written about her murder, can you please tell me the name of this book and its author? I created this article and i'd like to expand it further and if you know of a book that gives more details of this incident that would prove most helpful. Thanks. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp|talk]]) 01:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks again for the information you left on my talk page, just thought i'd let you know that I ended up purchasing the book. After reading it it renewed my interest in the murder, and I subsequently used the book and several other sources I found to upgrade the article to [[WP:Good articles|good article status]]. I even travelled to Stockton (which isn't ''too'' far from me) to take some photos for the article. The article is currently nominated for [[WP:DYK|DYK]] and I intend to work on it further and nominate it for featured status in the future. I probably never would have done that if you hadn't told me about the book, so thank you. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp|talk]]) 12:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

:Congratulations to you for your work in this article. :) I'm so glad that this is nominated for [[WP:DYK|DYK]]. I'm still interested in this murder but I haven't got any further information since last year. I realised that there isn't any video footage on the Internet about this case and last year, I sent an e - mail to Crime and Investigation Australia for the possibility of making a documentary of it. They replied me that they'll see. Also I wanted to look some old articles from Newcastle Herald and I sent an e - mail to them too, but they hadn't replied. So, as I'm living in Turkey, I have no other choice that having further information. I'm so glad that you got the book and used it for improving this article. I think you did a great job. :) ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 22:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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MaddyRockFan:

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MaddyRockFan:

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== Query on [[Yeshivah College, Australia|Yeshiva College]] edits by DGG ==

Can you please look at the Talk pages and edits by DGG on Yeshiva College and let me know if that is legit and reasonable. I don't like the censorship going on unless there has been a breach of guidelines.

Can you reply by email to me mikeybear69@gmail.com if possible.

Thanks.

Michael.
[[User:Mikeybear|Mikey Bear]] ([[User talk:Mikeybear|talk]]) 02:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, thanks for contacting me. Unfortunately due to my work commitments until July 22nd I will be unable to access internet for long enough to look at anything right now. Basically I'm a fair bit off the beaten track at the moment and every few days when I get back to the civilised world I only have a few minutes to check emails before I have to get back to work. I know the issue may no longer be active in 2 weeks when I get back to the real world, but I promise to take a look at it then. Sorry I can't be of more help right now. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 10:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mikey, sorry for the late reply, my life has been somewhat hectic. I've looked at the edits, and at the editors statement on the talk page. His arguments, particular regarding "any encyclopedic interest in the event as it pertains to the school does not require ... names" are logical, but you could certainly argue against them; he cites "DO NO HARM" but his edits could be considered in violation of the [[Wikipedia:Do no harm#Neutral point of view|Do no harm#Neutral point of view]] guideline. I would certainly be interested to see other experienced editors opinions on the matter; I am certain you are not the only one who disagrees with him. I personally think it is not inappropriate to name names prior to conviction if they have been reported by reliable sources. I would certainly vote to include the names after any convictions were made, and will comment on the issue at the talk page if any convictions are made.

:If you think another users edits could be violating a guideline don't hesitate to say so and attempt to counter their arguments on the talk page; if it turns out you were wrong you at least learn something new about editing and if an agreement is not reached and you still think they are wrong after discussion consult a [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] process; I have found the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]] and [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] processes to be very helpful at getting more opinions and resolving disputes. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 12:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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:I respect you. You are willing to participate in meaningful discussions. I believe that you, 'adhere to guidelines'. I do not respect Grotekennis. Grotekennis, ignores Wiki P&Gs, editor comments, editor consensus, Reliable Source Noticeboard consensus and Dispute Resolution Noticeboard consensus and does what he wants to do. He demands 'scientific research' while dismissing and removing 'scientific research' which does not suit him. The summary of the finding of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Australian_Christian_Lobby|Dispute resolution noticeboard]] presented by ΛΧΣ21 and supported by all the editors who participated is, "''all of the sources that have been added to the article and do not talk about the ACL should be removed and the content it was supposedly supported, removed too''" THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES currently [30] to [34] PROVIDED FOR THE PARAGRAPH DO NOT TALK ABOUT ACL. The 'volunteer' (who Grotekennis mentioned as justifying his edits) specifically said, "''the sources need to mention ACL or its affiliates related to the topic being discussed. Wikipedias guidelines on sources are very clear on this point''". THE GROTEKENNIS SOURCES DO NOT MENTION ACL OR ITS AFFILIATES.

::Interestingly, last week Australia's Kirby Institute's Surveillance and Evaluation Program for Public Health at the University of New South Wales - released its latest scientific research. Refer HIV cases in Australia is on the rise http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hiv-cases-in-australia-is-on-the-rise/story-e6frg6n6-1226497432701 An interesting read. The head of the Institute, Associate Professor David Wilson, said the real rise in the number of cases, "was of concern". Jim Wallace's concern is further validated.

::Also interestingly the Jensen citation supporting Jim Wallace (also deleted) refers the need for 'compassion and objectivity' http://www.smh.com.au/national/anglican-archbishop-backs-christian-lobbys-gay-views-20120910-25ogi.html Jensen went on to say, "It's very hard to get to the facts here because we don't want to talk about it, and in this country censorship is alive and well".

::On another matter - on 13:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC) you said, "The ACL make a lot of outrageously distorted claims . . . ". I completely agree with the point you were making to Grotekennis - obviously he was not interested. However the euthanasia-trivial-reasons-example you used, which included the words, "absolutely absurd", "baseless scare tactic", may have been a bit strong considering [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] has said that, these casualties are tragic. Youth suicide is tragic - (in today's media) http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mental-health-experts-on-standby-for-schools-hit-by-suicide-as-part-of-federal-government-campaign/story-e6frf7kx-1226502696526

:Grotekennis is determined to get his way and in so doing undermines the credibility of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sam56mas|contribs]]) 12:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC) 

::Thanks for your comments. Grotekennis frustrates me also. I noticed what you mentioned regarding his edits and the only reason I haven't done anything about it is because I'm going on vacation tomorrow and I don't want to start any disputes before I go, but I certainly believe all references that do not mention the ACL should be removed, and I will remove these references myself once I get back from vacation if they are still there.

::Regarding your other comments: I'm happy to debate things in general if you like here. Providing opposing arguments are based on logic (as opposed to superstition, it really makes me angry when people say they are for/against something ONLY because their holy book says so) I often find it interesting to hear other peoples opinions on things, even if they differ greatly from my own.

::There is no doubt that homosexual men are far more likely to have HIV than heterosexual men. Conservative Christians mention this fact often. What I've never heard a conservative Christian mention, however, is the fact that homosexual women are far less likely to have HIV than heterosexual women. In the United States at least, there has never been a confirmed case of a women getting HIV through sex with another women [http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm] Jim Wallace says "the homosexual lifestyle has some disastrous health outcomes" and cites HIV as an example however HIV rates amongst women would undeniably drop if more women only had sex with women. The ACL often only tell half the story, give undue weight to certain facts and completely ignore information that harms their cause (this is hardly surprising, most lobby groups do this). I also find it incredibly appalling that Jim Wallace brings up the fact that LGBT people are far more likely to be depressed. Of course they are far more likely to be depressed in this country; our government and the ACL treat them like second class citizens! Rates of depression amongst LGBT people are lower in countries where gay marriage is legal. A guy I went to high school with posted this on Facebook after the gay marriage bill was voted down:

:::''To be completely honest, I don't know if I ever want/feel the need to get married, but to have a bunch of elected, "learned" people tell me that I am not worthy of the option because of a certain facet of me that I was born with and have no control over, actually almost overwhelms me to tears. And to read that Senator Cory Bernardi suggests gay marriage will lead to beastiality makes me feel the same pit in my stomach I felt as a teenager who struggled to accept who I am.''

::I'm not gay or even bisexual, to be perfectly honest I don't understand how men can be attracted to other men. But every moral fibre of my being tells me it is wrong to deprive someone of rights just because of what they have between their legs, and just FYI that's why I campaign for gay marriage.

::Regarding the euthanasia comments. Yes I agree my wording was harsher than it needed to be but this was because it was aimed at Grotekennis. I thought if I stressed how much I don't like the ACL he might value my opinion more (I don't think it worked, lol). I firmly stand by the general point I was making though. Legalising euthanasia for people who are already dying or people who have extremely poor quality of life with no chance of improvement (for example, quadriplegics) is not going to lead to to people legally getting assistance with euthanasia for trivial reasons. I understand some depressed people have used Nitschke's methods to kill themselves (despite the disclaimers he provides with this information) however this is, unfortunately, a fact of life. Some depressed people are going to attempt to take their own lives no matter what you do, and some people are always going to use information in a way it was not intended to be used. Example: I still have the chemistry textbook I bought when I was at University. Now if I wanted to I could use the information in that textbook to help me make a bomb or illegal drugs, but just because this information could potentially be abused shouldn't be a valid reason to censor chemistry. Have you read [[The Peaceful Pill Handbook]]? I'll post you a copy for free if you like. I'd assume it would be an interesting read even for people against euthanasia, but I can't exactly guarantee that of course. I'd make a comment about why I am for voluntary euthanasia, but instead i'll just advertise this website that you might find interesting: http://www.christiansforve.org.au I'm actually a member of this organisation and have worked with them in the past (openly as an atheist, they accept support from heathens lol).

::Well I'm logging out of wiki now and I won't be back for two weeks. See you then. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your detailed comments.

:::Re your: "I will remove these references myself . . . " Thank you. I have added a comment on the ACL talk page and at [[User_talk:Dominus_Vobisdu#ACL]]

:::My personal view on euthanasia is not based on 'superstition' and has not been formed 'ONLY because their holy book says so'. In my case, it is a belief in the dignity, the beauty and the fragility of life and a concern for the unknown flow-on effects for the elderly, (plus [[Philip_Nitschke#Younger_people_and_suicide| Philip_Nitschke]] comments) which causes me to believe we need to be very careful here. Others (obviously for various reasons) are concerned about euthanasia, for instance: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-lets-put-legalised-euthanasia-issue-down/story-e6frezz0-1226504473514

:::The matter of HIV and women - with respect - is a red herring and can be explained (for me) by issues as such as male promiscuity and male physiology.

:::The 'deprive someone of rights just because . . . ' is a simplistic characterisation of a much more complex situation. Detailed responses by others are available elsewhere. To respond to your question with a question > Why are there demands that the distinctions associated with 'LGBTI' must be disaggregated, while the distinctions associated with 'marriage' must be aggregated? To say depression in the LGTBI community (which I don't deny) is (largely?) caused by homophobia, seems to me to be primarily a blame-shifting exercise.

:::You mention quadriplegia. I have a friend who was very active and inspirational. He owns a successful project-home-building company. Two years ago, he crashed into another bike rider on a bike-track. He is now a quadriplegic - he remains an inspirational person. It can be a mental issue, rather than a physical issue. I know a number of depressed people and others 'on the edge' some with drug issues - some now dead - and of course the frail-elderly. As a society we should offer encouragement and support, rather than offering a chemical way out. A friend was telling me about a man she met a few years ago. Apparently he had no contact with his family. He had no contact with his children or grandchildren. He admitted he was very lonely. He was an active euthanasia advocate.

:::Your offered of a copy of the Peaceful pill handbook. Thanks, but no thanks. I can see enough here [[The_Peaceful_Pill_Handbook]] and http://www.peacefulpillhandbook.com/ plus links. Wikipedia notes: "Nitschke was involved in an argument in the press with the family of a woman suffering from post-natal depression who read the book and took the advice offered about travelling to Mexico. Her drawn-out death caused her family to attack the accuracy of the book's advice". I note: "This eBook is not intended for the mentally ill or depressed. Those with psychiatric conditions should contact their family physicians". Hardly reassuring to me that this sentence would prevent inappropriate use. Many people (as evidenced by determined Wikipedia editors) take little notice of what is written.

:::I have no problem with not continuing life by artificial means. I have no problem with criticism of ACL, providing it is done within the Wikipeda P&Gs. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 22:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

::::Just thought I'd clear a few things up. Firstly if you were offended I apologise - I wasn't trying to belittle you with the 'holy book' sentence, I've just had conversations with Christians before who openly admit they are only against homosexuality because the bible is against it, and they blindly obey the book regardless of how they personally feel about things. It's made me a bit defensive about debating with religious people.

::::Being for legalised euthanasia certainly does not make me want it as the first choice for anyone. If your friend is still happy to go on living as a quadriplegic that actually makes me happy, I just think people should have the option to die peacefully if they are not physically going to get better. I'm actually for euthanasia for very similar reasons to why you say you are against it, I believe in the beauty and dignity of life. I also believe encouragement and support should be offered first, but there are situations where encouragement and support are not going to help - some time ago I watched a close relative die from cancer slowly over several months. His quality of life was extremely poor; for the last few weeks he couldn't move his arms or his legs at all, and struggled to turn his head to look at us. Encouragement and support are not going to help here, I'm not 100% sure he knew where he was and what was happening in the last few days. By the time he died this person whom I loved had no dignity or beauty left, I was actually relieved when he died because that meant he didn't have to suffer anymore. If I get diagnosed with the same kind of terminal cancer I don't want to be forced to die like that, I'd like society to have some compassion and allow me to die peacefully at my own discretion. I want Australia to have the same euthanasia laws as [[Oregon Death with Dignity Act|Oregon]].

::::I'm certain there are factors other than homophobia and lack of rights for LGBTI people that cause depression, I wasn't trying to say all the blame lies with the ACL and people who share their opinions, I was trying to make a specific point. You see I often wonder, but I've never found out, if the ACL and their supporters actually realise how much damage they do to the mental health of gay people. I close friend of mine who is a lesbian was actually reduced to tears after reading comments made at the National Marriage Day (slippery slope to polygamy, comparison to paedophilia, gay marriage should be laughed at etc). The sentiment expressed in the comments my friend posted on Facebook are typical amongst how at least all the gay people I know react to lobbying against LGBT rights.

::::I understand moral objection to euthanasia and abortion. I do not understand objection to gay marriage. If you don't like gay marriage don't marry a gay person; problem solved. I remember reading an extract from an email the ACL sent out to their followers, in which they complained that they were losing the debate over gay marriage. I couldn't help but think, what on earth do the ACL think they are losing? If gay marriage becomes legal, the 40-something percent of Christians who are against gay marriage won't have lost anything. They still can get married in the manner they wish to, the only difference is now other people have the same rights they've always had. Why should we all be bound by a interpretation of marriage that only a particular group of Christians believe in? I just don't understand the ACL's position on LGBT rights, and neither do just over half of Christians according to recent polls. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thank you. I have no problem with people expressing, or respectfully promoting the views that they hold. I will get back to you in a few days, after I demonstrate something. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 23:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

::::::There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL. Fine. There are a group of Wiki editors who do not like ACL, and who make sure that Wikipedia ACL is skewed towards their views. They are not interested in 'etiquette' or respect for Wikipedia policies or guidelines. (Other than demanding strict adherence by others). In my opinion you are not part of that second group. While you may be able to define what you mean by: Reproductive Rights, Marriage Equality and Right to Die, others (specifically the demand-for-change advocates) will see things differently, particularly in regards to the 'necessary limits' in each case. In each case, the 'rights' of others are involved. With complex, social-policy changes such as these, Australia (I believe) will not be able adequately define, let alone maintain restraints - any more than can 'democratic Wikipedia'. Rules, ethics and respect are of little concern to some people. [[User:Sam56mas|Sam56mas]] ([[User talk:Sam56mas|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Peter Allgeier Article ==

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== Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions ==

Thanks for adding the Montanists to [[Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions]] - I believe that belongs there. I notice you didn't add the 1st century prediction, and I think that's probably the right decision. Not only is there a dispute over whether Jesus or Paul predicated an apocalyptic event, but also over what event(s) they might have been referring to. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks. Whilst I certainly think the 1st century "prediction" (or rather the way people reacted to it) is notable in itself, I agree it doesn't belong at that page either. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Saturday Night Live cast members|SNL]] list ==

Hi Freikorp. You and I were posting on the SNL talk page at the same time. You can see my comments there. Btw, I meant no offense in my edit comment; I simply said "please get consensus". I know you opened a discussion - which I really appreciate - but there was no participation. In any case, I do apologize if I hurt your feelings. Thanks and have a wonderful new year! --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to mention... great job on noticing the cross symbol being used. I totally agree with your thoughts on that. Also, you said "It's been two weeks since I removed the content, and your revert has been the first reaction". Although it's the first reaction, the reason is because the article is relatively inactive - it only gets a few edits a month, which is why I'm not surprised at all that there were no comments on the talk page. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.149|76.189.98.149]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.149|talk]]) 06:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC) 06:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Hi. No worries, I probably over-reacted a little - it's often hard to judge the sentiment people are expressing in the limited space an edit summary provides. Thanks for your comments on the talk page. To be honest I should have waited a bit longer for comments (and I usually do) but I though Christianising the deaths of non-Christians was particularly rude and when I went to change that I thought I may as well make the other proposed change at the same time. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 07:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Dami Mission==
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:Thanks for letting me know. I've addressed all the issues that have been mentioned, and am awaiting further comments/suggestions at the articles entry. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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:Thanks. Those page statistics made me laugh - I didn't even think to look at them. I'm not surprised they spiked around December 21, but I wasn't expecting it to be by that much. You might think this is really silly, but I'll tell you anyway - I guess I edit wikipedia for the same reason the overwhelming majority of editors would, but my motivation for working on this page was hoping that if the page was well written, had a large number of notable predictions, and was well referenced, people scared of apocalyptic events would read it, see how many false prediction there have been over the millennia, and maybe calm down a notch. I decided to do this after noticing how some people were reacting to Harold Camping's 2011 predictions. I hope a few people took the 2012 prediction a little less serious after reading the article. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks for the note. I'll be vigilant. [[User:StAnselm|St]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 01:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== [[Rikas tyttö]] ==

Thanks for creating the article. I was just about to write you about the red links. [[User:Widr|Widr]] ([[User talk:Widr|talk]]) 07:52, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. I was considering writing to you about the red links as well. As per [[Wikipedia:Red links]], red links shouldn't necessarily be deleted on sight, as they are helpful for indicating that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic. Have a nice day. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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==Shake and Bake==
Hey man, I'm sorry I didn't correctly cite the edit I made earlier today. I put my rationale in the talk page, but not in the edit description itself. All the pop culture stuff pertaining to [[Shake and Bake]] and not [[Shake 'n Bake]] I put in the disambiguation page. The Simpsons ref was the only one that actually had anything to do with the Kraft food product, which is why I left it. Would it be alright if I restored the edit? — [[User:Muckapedia|Muckapedia]] ([[User_talk:Muckapedia|talk]]) 14e mars 2013 16h23 (−4h)

:Hi. Sorry for the late reply. I missed your talk page explanation - now that I've seen it your edit makes sense, and I've restored it myself. Cheers for the message. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 11:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013 ==

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'''Membership report''' 
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:Thomas Cranmer|Thomas Cranmer]], [[User:Mr.Oglesby|Mr.Oglesby]], and [[User:Stylistica|Sneha Priscilla]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it.

'''From the Editor''' 

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of [[User:John Carter|John Carter]], and so [[User:Gilderien|I]] have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of [[Pope Benedict XVI]] and the election of [[Pope Francis]]. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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'''Contest of the month''' 
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests]], and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

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'''Featured content and GA report''' 
Since the last report;

[[Grade I listed churches in Cumbria]] was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]], and the image above of the [[Church of Saint Ildefonso]] was promoted to featured picture status.

[[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], by [[User:Khazar2|Khazar2]], was promoted to GA status, as well [[Third Epistle of John]] by [[User:Cerebellum|Cerebellum]].

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included [[St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Marion Irvine]] by [[User:Giants2008|Giants2008]]; [[Margaret McKenna]] by [[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]]; [[Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity]] by [[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]]; [[St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[Vester Egesborg Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Undløse Church]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St Martin's Church, Næstved]] by [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]], [[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]], [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]], and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[St. Peter, Syburg]] by [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] and [[User:Dr. Blofeld|Dr. Blofeld]]; [[Østre Porsgrunn Church]] by [[User:Strachkvas|Strachkvas]]; [[Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Dami Mission]] by [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]]; [[Mechanicsburg Baptist Church]] by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Acheiropoietos Monastery]], by [[User:Proudbolsahye|Proudbolsahye]]; [[T. Lawrason Riggs]], by [[User:Gareth E Kegg|Gareth E Kegg]]; [[McColley's Chapel]], by [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]]; [[Oświęcim Chapel]], by [[User:BurgererSF|BurgererSF]]; [[Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]], by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]; [[Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn]], by [[User:Yakikaki|Yakikaki]]; [[Old Stone Congregational Church]], by [[User:Orlady|Orlady]]l [[Heath Chapel]], by [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]]; [[St. Joseph's Church, Beijing]], by [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]]; [[Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton]], by [[User:Rodw|Rodw]]; and [[St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio)]] also by [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]]. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

'''Christian art''' 
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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Usq-DJ2rKo Complete recording]

<center>[[Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22]], a cantata by the German composer [[J.S. Bach]], was promoted to GA this month and was written by [[USer:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]]. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.
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'''Spotlight''' 
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The Spotlight this month turns to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Jesus work group|the Jesus work group]]. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, [[Jesus Christ]] and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include [[Jesus]], [[Christ]], [[Resurrection of Jesus]], and [[Holy Grail]], whereas High-priority articles include [[Aramaic Language]], a former FA, as well as [[Sermon on the Mount]], [[Lamb of God]], and [[Passion (Christianity)]]. The workgroup has also published two books, covering [[Book:Christ's Final Days |Christ's final days]] and the [[Book:Parables of Jesus|Parables of Jesus]]. The workgroup has two GAs, [[Nativity scene]], and [[Jesus in Islam]], but unfortunately the flagship article, [[Jesus]] was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three [[WP:1.0]] articles, and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-25/WikiProject_report|WikiWork]] of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By [[user:Gilderien|Gilderien]]

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'''Calendar''' 
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes [[Easter Sunday]] in Western Christianity and both [[Lazarus Saturday]] and [[Palm Sunday]] for the [[Eastern Orthodox Church]]. Other major feasts in the next month include those of [[Saint George]], [[Saint Mark the Evangelist]], [[Saint Stanislaus]], [[James, son of Zebedee]], and [[ Benedict the Moor]].
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'''Help requests''' 
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

<center>''Ichthus'' is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by [[WP:X|WikiProject Christianity]] For submissions contact the [[WT:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Newsroom]] • To unsubscribe add yourself to the list [[WP:X/O|here]] [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 13:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</center>
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== [[Australian Christian Lobby#Controversy and criticism]] ==

"members of the public"

Is a broad sweeping statement without factual evidence

There is no subsequent balance or context

"A group of Australian Christians"

There are millions, which group?

How is a segment of 250 people form a public narrative?

All questions I would like answered in the sake of fairness..... — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Greenmixa|Greenmixa]] ([[User talk:Greenmixa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenmixa|contribs]]) 02:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC) 

:Your edits have been contested by other users as well, and the criteria for inclusion or criticism and support of ACL's action has been an long contested debate, therefore it would be best for this conversation to take place on the ACL talk page, where other users can join in on the debate. I will move the conversation there. Also in the future please sign your comments with 4 ~'s like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Ways to improve Revolving Door (song) ==

Hi, I'm EagerToddler39. Freikorp, thanks for creating [[Revolving Door (song)]]!

I've just tagged the page, using our [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|page curation]] tools, as having some issues to fix. You base information on the reception of the song solely on what a Christian Genze. Other opinions needed to ensure a fair article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on [[User talk:EagerToddler39|my talk page]]. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at [[WP:TEAHOUSE|the Teahouse]].

==Your DYK nomination==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Losing Chase]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  --[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 15:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

{{tb|Template:Did you know nominations/Losing Chase}}--[[User:GDuwen|'''GD''''''uwen''']][[User talk:GDuwen|'''Tell me!''']] 18:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Losing Chase==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

== DYK Nomination of Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards ==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! (Sorry, I meant to post this when I reviewed the nomination, but apparently never hit the "save" button...). [[User:Canadian Paul|Canadian]] [[User talk:Canadian Paul|Paul]] 22:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== Re: Slutdrop ==

Hey there, sorry for the late response but I wanted to get a [[User_talk:PraetorianFury#Slutdrop|third opinion first]]. It's true that I didn't read the entire article at [[Slutdrop]], so I didn't want it to appear as though I was defending a mistaken revert. But besides the initial reasoning given, there are other problems with linking to Slutdrop. It is very tangentially related, and only by an opinionated claim made by someone at the Guardian. No one has explicitly made the connection between Slutwalks and Slutdrops in the sources. That's why I don't think it's an appropriate addition to the article at this time, with the sources available. [[User:PraetorianFury|PraetorianFury]] ([[User talk:PraetorianFury|talk]]) 17:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:No worries. If you had of reverted it saying "this is only tangentially related" I would have just let it go, it was just the fact you incorrectly stated it had nothing with reclaiming the word pushed one of my buttons a bit. Thanks for getting a third opinion; no hard feelings. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Slutdrop==
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}} [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Sandy MacGregor==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for The Discipline of Market Leaders==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 16:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Fifth Element ==

Just wanted to say great work overhauling the article, but please note that the awards section will need to be sourced, whether it's one citation used for all of the awards or individual citations as appropriate. While more tedious, the advantage of the latter approach would be that if editors change the awards table later it will still (hopefully) be clear which awards track to which sources. Happy Editing! [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 13:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks. The awards currently listed that don't have individual references are 6 of the 7 Cesar awards and 1 of the 4 Saturn awards. I'm going to assume the reference I posted on the talk page will be sufficient to cover all of them until someone tells me otherwise; I'll add it to the result column. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 14:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:I've found and added a few more individual references, so the only awards currently listed missing an individual reference are the 4 Cesar awards that it was nominated for but didn't win. If it turns out the blanket reference I found fails [[WP:RS]] removing those four nominations won't be such a big deal. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 02:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Order of Chiang Chung-Cheng]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Gbawden|Gbawden]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>You should consider joining the Orders, Decorations and Medals WikiProject</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Gbawden's [[User talk:Gbawden|talk page]].

Learn more about [[Wikipedia:New Pages Feed/Help|page curation]].

:Hi Gbawden. I appreciate the invite, and I'll take a look at the project once I've tied up all the things on my to-do list. I thought I should let you know that I am certainly no subject matter expert on awards though. I created the 'Order of Wen-Hu' as I had created the page for [[R.V.C. Bodley]], who won the award, and I found enough references to start a page for the award whilst searching for references on Bodley. I then created the other 4 awards as somebody added the 'Republic of China honours system' template to the Wen-Hu article, and the fact that the template was almost completely full or redlinks at the time annoyed me to the point of doing something about it :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Blockbuster Entertainment Awards==
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}} '''[[User:Harrias|Harrias]]''' [[User_talk:Harrias|talk]] 00:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for What Remains==
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}} '''[[User:Spinningspark|Spinning]][[User talk:Spinningspark|Spark''']]''' 01:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Stentor]] ==

I want to thank you for your last post at this discussion.  It was unusually helpful to my understanding.  Regarding the closing, I find it incomprehensible.  FYI, [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 00:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks, it retrospect I should have just boldly redirected the article instead of nominating for deletion. Considering the official website is clearly offline (leaving me wondering if the magazine is even still produced or not) which means the only sources the article had to begin with are now dead, I have redirected the article back to [[Lake Forest College]] anyway. If you think that is not appropriate feel free to let me know, I am happy to discuss the matter. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::Being dead doesn't change the fact that they are sources, it just makes it harder to locate copies.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
::I support your bold redirect.  Coming after a keep closure, I think any objection needs to be given due respect.  Such seems unlikely since there are no known secondary sources, but time will tell.  [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Soft and Hard Adult Film and Television Awards==
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== A page you started has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for creating [[Revolution Overdrive: Songs of Liberty]], Freikorp!

Wikipedia editor [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

<blockquote>I reviewed your page and passed it. Great article. Just a reminder that it is an orphan and you should add links to it.</blockquote>

To reply, leave a comment on Falkirks's [[User talk:Falkirks|talk page]].

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==DYK for Kaboom: The Suicide Bombing Game==
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}}  — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

==National Atlas of the United States DYK? Nomination==
I have now responded to you here--[[Template:Did you know nominations/National Atlas of the United States]]. Please take a look at my response and the things that I fixed for this DYK? nomination whenever you'll have the time. Thank you very much. [[User:Futurist110|Futurist110]] ([[User talk:Futurist110|talk]]) 00:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

== A cup of coffee for you! ==

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:You're welcome. :) [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 08:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for You Can't Stop Me==
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== Filemover ==

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I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A{{PAGENAMEU}} granted] file mover rights to your account following either a request for those rights or a clear need for the ability to move files. For information on the file mover rights and under what circumstances it is okay to move files, see [[Wikipedia:File mover]]. If you do not want file mover rights anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. [[User talk:INeverCry|INeverCry]] 21:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Why thank you, again :). It certainly is nice to get recognition for the article. Come to think of it I haven't worked on converting the list of potential candidates on the article's talk page over to the actual article for a while now. I think I'll start working on that again soon. I gave up on my idea of writing a book about drug-related deaths. It was getting too difficult to find offline sources, not to mention it was time consuming, plus I knew I'd never make my money back (I was just doing it out of interest) so I figured I'd just stick to writing about in on wiki. [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] ([[User talk:Freikorp#top|talk]]) 01:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Eugene Tonkonogy==
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== Leigh Leigh ==
The book is "Who Killed Leigh Leigh?" by Kerry Carrington. I bought it from Amazon a month ago. It gives further information about the murder but it was published in 1998. I'm interested in this murder case also. It's kinda weird because I'm from Turkey and I've never been to Australia actually. ([[User talk:MaddyRockFan|talk]]) 15:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Damien Linnane

2013-07-09T15:48:12Z

MaddyRockFan:

Murder of Leigh Leigh

2013-07-08T18:04:18Z

MaddyRockFan:

{{Infobox Person
| name = Leigh Leigh
| image =
| image_size =
| caption =
| other_names =
| birth_date =
July 24, 1975| birth_place = [[Australia]]
| death_date = {{death date|df=yes|1989|11|03}}
| death_place = [[Stockton Beach]], [[Australia]]
| death_cause = Murdered by Matthew Grant Webster
}}

The '''murder of Leigh Leigh''' is a case concerning the [[rape]] and [[murder]] of '''Leigh Leigh '''(born as Leigh Rennea Mears on July 24, 1975 <ref>http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=6453154</ref>), a 14-year-old girl from [[Stockton, New South Wales|Stockton]], [[Australia]], in 1989.

Leigh Leigh's body was found in sand dunes at [[Stockton Beach]] following a 16-year-old boy's birthday party. Her body had severe genital damage and a crushed skull. Matthew Webster was charged with and convicted of her murder.<ref name="age">{{cite web
|date = 13 June 2004
|url = http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/12/1086749943697.html?from=storyrhs
|title = A death in the sand, pain that lives on
|author = Elder, John
|publisher = [[The Age]]
|accessdate=24 June 2010}}</ref>

==The murder==
On 3 November 1989, a boy celebrated his 16th birthday at a Stockton surf club with minimum supervision. Most of the people present were [[Year Ten]] students from [[Newcastle High School (Australia)|Newcastle High School]]<ref name="limit">{{cite journal |last1=Morrow |first1=Jonathon |last2=San Roque |first2=Mehera |year=1996 |title= In Her Death She Remains as the Limit of the System |journal=[[Sydney Law Review]] |url= http://search2.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/SydLRev/1996/28.pdf |volume=18 |issue=474 |pages=475 |doi= }}</ref> however it was reported children as young as 10 were present.<ref name=age/> Many of the participants were drinking alcohol, smoking [[marijuana]] and some were having sex.<ref name=age/> Eighteen-year-old Webster, one of the two [[bouncer (doorman)|bouncers]] at the party, admitted to smoking around fifteen [[Bowl (smoking)|cones]] of marijuana and consuming about a case of beer during the evening.<ref name=SMH-1/> Fourteen-year-old Leigh had a written invitation to attend the party and permission from her mother, who was told there would be responsible adults present.<ref name=parliament/> Leigh was reported to have gotten heavily intoxicated very quickly.<ref name=age/> Shortly afterwards Leigh had sex on the beach with a boy aged 15; she had previously been a virgin.<ref name=limit/> There is strong evidence to suggest that this was rape, however the 15-year-old boy, who was never publicly named for legal reasons, was not charged with rape. Whether or not the sex was consensual remains contentious.<ref name=age/> When Judge Joseph Moore reviewed the evidence in 1995, he concluded that Leigh's first sexual encounter at the party went beyond "carnal knowledge". He called it non-consensual.<ref name="Sticks">{{cite web
|date = 29 September 1996
|url = http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s10729.htm
|title = Sticks and Stones: The Killing of Leigh Leigh
|publisher = [[Australian Broadcasting Corporation]]
|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}</ref>

{{quote|The evidence before me indicates that Leigh rejected the juvenile's advances, and that his intercourse with her was without her consent.|Judge Joseph Moore<ref name = "Sticks" />}}

It was also widely reported that Leigh was [[Types of rape#Gang rape|gang raped]]. Regarding this Detective Sergeant Lance Chaffey, who headed the investigation stated:

{{quote|"There was no semen found in the body, none; the boy who'd had sex with her said he didn't ejaculate. And you don't have a gang rape without semen. That's a point that's been lost along the way."<ref name="age"/>}}

When Leigh returned to the party she was distressed and seeking assistance. Nineteen-year-old Guy Wilson, the other bouncer, and the only other person besides Webster aged over 18 at the party, also demanded sex from her.<ref name=brien/> Wilson was joined by Webster and around ten other boys who surrounded Leigh and pushed her to the ground. They yelled abuse, kicked her, spat on her, threw bottles at her and spat beer on her head.<ref name=age/> This was witnessed by other people at the party; no one came to help her.<ref name=age/> Similar physical and verbal assaults continued inside the crowded clubhouse where she sought refuge. Leigh then walked to the beach. Webster followed her, grabbed her, dragged her to a hollow between the dunes, violently raped, beat, strangled and killed her by striking her head with a piece of concrete weighing {{Convert|6|kg|lb|0|abbr=on}}. The first blow to the head killed her.<ref name="age" /> Webster continued to hit her several more times. She was disfigured beyond recognition, the entire left side of her head was caved in.<ref name="brien"/> Leigh still had her invitation to attend the party in her pocket when her body was found the next morning.<ref name=parliament/>

==Convictions==
Matthew Webster pleaded guilty to Leigh's murder and on 24 October 1990 Justice Wood sentenced him a minimum of 14 years with an additional 6 years during which he would be eligible for parole.<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Morrow |first1=Jonathon |last2=San Roque |first2=Mehera |year=1996 |title= In Her Death She Remains as the Limit of the System |journal=[[Sydney Law Review]] |url= http://search2.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/SydLRev/1996/28.pdf |volume=18 |issue=474 |pages=473 |doi= }}</ref> Justice Wood found that Webster's motivation for killing Lee was his fear she would report his sexual assault upon her.<ref name=limit/> Webster was the first murderer in New South Wales to be sentenced under the [[truth in sentencing]] legislation.<ref name=limit/> He was released on parole on 10 June 2004 after serving 14½ years.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2004/s1128673.htm |title=Leigh Leigh's killer released on parole |author=Foschia, Liz |date=10 June 2004 |work=Australian Broadcasting Corporation |accessdate=24 June 2010}}</ref> Following his release, Leigh's family stated they harboured "...no ill thoughts" towards Webster and wished him well in the "...re-establishment of his life".<ref name="SMH-1">{{cite web
|date = 6 June 2004
|url = http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/05/1086377188065.html?from=moreStories
|title = Teen killer's mum relieved he's free
|publisher = [[The Sydney Morning Herald]]
|author = Chad Watson
|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}</ref>

Guy Wilson served six months for assault, the unnamed 15-year-old was also sentenced to 6 months custody in a detention centre; the sentence was reduced on appeal to 100 hours community service.<ref name="brien">{{cite web
|date = October 2009
|url = http://www.textjournal.com.au/oct09/brien.htm
|title = Based on a True Story': The problem of the perception of biographical truth in narratives based on real lives
|author = Donna Lee Brien
|accessdate = 3 January 2010
|work = Textjournal.com.au}}
</ref>

==Aftermath==
Police were criticised over their handling of the investigation, in particular for failing to quickly identify perpetrators,<ref name=red/> their treatment of witnesses, and for interviewing children without the permission of their parents.<ref name=abc/> A review in 2000 recommended the dismissal of Detective Sergeant Lance Chaffey and disciplinary action against the other investigative officers.<ref name=red/><ref name="abc">{{cite web
|date = 18 October 2000
|url = http://www.abc.net.au/pm/stories/s201131.htm
|title = NSW releases findings of police misconduct inquiry
|publisher = Australian Broadcasting Corporation
|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}
</ref>

The murder was discussed at length in the [[Parliament of New South Wales]],<ref name="parliament">{{cite web
|url=http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/PARLMENT/hansArt.nsf/V3Key/LA19961015004|
title=Death of Leigh Leigh|publisher=[[Parliament of New South Wales]]|date=15 October 1996
|author = Paul Whelan
|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}</ref> and the release of Matthew Webster on parole was also discussed in Parliament 14 years later.<ref name="parole">{{cite web|url=http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/Parlment/HansArt.nsf/V3Key/LC20040603029|title=Matt Webster Grant of Parole|publisher=[[Parliament of New South Wales]]|date=3 June 2004|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}</ref> There were initial concerns as to whether or not Webster was suitable for parole; after discussion of the circumstances his parole release went unopposed. {{Quote|The issue is simply this: Do we continue to keep him in custody for an extended period of time when he has made progress—bearing in mind that at the end of his 20-year sentence he would be released and there would be no opportunity to supervise him? Or, alternatively, do we take it the next step further and, once he has satisfactorily completed all the relevant leave programs and appropriate courses, test him out in the community and give him an opportunity?<ref name=parole/>|[[John Hatzistergos]]}}

Advances in [[DNA]] testing technology may lead to a re-examination of the case.<ref>{{cite web
|date = 18 November 2009
|url = http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/18/2746741.htm
|title = DNA advances could implicate more in Leigh rape case
|publisher = Australian Broadcasting Corporation
|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}</ref>

==Theatrical and film adaptations==
A play, written by Australian playwright [[Nick Enright]] was inspired by the events.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2003/s821043.htm |title=Tribute to Enright |author=Baillie, Rebecca |date=31 March 2003 |work=[[The 7.30 Report]] |accessdate=24 June 2010}}</ref> The play originally premiered at ''Freewheels Theatre'' in [[Newcastle, New South Wales|Newcastle]] in 1992 under the title ''A Property of the Clan'', and was later shown at the [[National Institute of Dramatic Art]] in 1993.<ref name=red/> The play was later retitled ''[[Blackrock (play)|Blackrock]]'' after some revisions and was performed by the [[Sydney Theatre Company]] in 1995 and 1996.<ref name="red">{{cite book |title=Reel tracks: Australian feature film music and cultural identities |last=Coyle |first=Rebecca |year=2005 |publisher=John Libbey Publishing |isbn=978-0-86196-658-5 |pages=23, 24 |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=G8BADHUuJyAC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=leigh+stockton+beach+rape&source=bl&ots=y6N06Qcz4P&sig=9AsE4M1zcwNjvY4OTIjwkWV4zQg&hl=en&ei=9OA_S76AKI60tge6-eyPCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBAQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=leigh%20stockton%20beach%20rape&f=false |accessdate=24 June 2010}}</ref> It was developed into a film, also entitled ''[[Blackrock (film)|Blackrock]]'', which was released in 1997.<ref name=brien/> In both the plays and the film the characters names are changed; for example Leigh's character is named Tracy however the events are still set in Stockton and Newcastle.<ref name=red/> Leigh's family objected to naming the character Tracy, as 'Tracey' was the name of Leigh's cousin and best friend.<ref name=brien/><ref name=red/> The community of Stockton opposed filming in the area, citing that the memories of the events were still fresh and the details of the script were too close for comfort.<ref name=brien/> Complaints about the film were exacerbated by the film-makers denial that the film was specifically about Leigh, despite the choice of Stockton for filming.<ref name=red/> {{quote|I've never researched the Leigh Leigh story. I picked up the general outline of it and used its mythological shape as the starting point for the piece.<ref name=brien/>|Nick Enright}} Leigh's family were vehemently opposed to the film, saying the film-makers were "feasting on an unfortunate situation".<ref name=brien/> Both the stage and film representations were credited with correcting misinformation reported in the media regarding the murder, as well as to providing a forum for reflection on the events.<ref name=red/> Both the plays and the film question how extreme male bonding in youth subcultures relegates females to purely domestic and sexual roles,<ref name=red/> and are about why any group of boys might abuse any girl.<ref name=brien/>

==References==
{{reflist|colwidth=30em}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Leigh, Leigh}}
[[Category:Murder in 1989]]
[[Category:Murdered Australian children]]
[[Category:Murders]]
[[Category:History of Newcastle, New South Wales]]
[[Category:People murdered in New South Wales]]
[[Category:Rape in Australia]]

Murder of Leigh Leigh

2013-07-08T18:03:13Z

MaddyRockFan: I've added her birthday and her real name, as I knew from a book which was written about her murder and from her grave.

{{Infobox Person
| name = Leigh Leigh
| image =
| image_size =
| caption =
| other_names =
| birth_date =
July 24, 1975| birth_place = [[Australia]]
| death_date = {{death date|df=yes|1989|11|03}}
| death_place = [[Stockton Beach]], [[Australia]]
| death_cause = Murdered by Matthew Grant Webster
}}

The '''murder of Leigh Leigh''' is a case concerning the [[rape]] and [[murder]] of '''Leigh Leigh'''(born as Leigh Rennea Mears on July 24, 1975 <ref>http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=6453154</ref>), a 14-year-old girl from [[Stockton, New South Wales|Stockton]], [[Australia]], in 1989.

Leigh Leigh's body was found in sand dunes at [[Stockton Beach]] following a 16-year-old boy's birthday party. Her body had severe genital damage and a crushed skull. Matthew Webster was charged with and convicted of her murder.<ref name="age">{{cite web
|date = 13 June 2004
|url = http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/12/1086749943697.html?from=storyrhs
|title = A death in the sand, pain that lives on
|author = Elder, John
|publisher = [[The Age]]
|accessdate=24 June 2010}}</ref>

==The murder==
On 3 November 1989, a boy celebrated his 16th birthday at a Stockton surf club with minimum supervision. Most of the people present were [[Year Ten]] students from [[Newcastle High School (Australia)|Newcastle High School]]<ref name="limit">{{cite journal |last1=Morrow |first1=Jonathon |last2=San Roque |first2=Mehera |year=1996 |title= In Her Death She Remains as the Limit of the System |journal=[[Sydney Law Review]] |url= http://search2.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/SydLRev/1996/28.pdf |volume=18 |issue=474 |pages=475 |doi= }}</ref> however it was reported children as young as 10 were present.<ref name=age/> Many of the participants were drinking alcohol, smoking [[marijuana]] and some were having sex.<ref name=age/> Eighteen-year-old Webster, one of the two [[bouncer (doorman)|bouncers]] at the party, admitted to smoking around fifteen [[Bowl (smoking)|cones]] of marijuana and consuming about a case of beer during the evening.<ref name=SMH-1/> Fourteen-year-old Leigh had a written invitation to attend the party and permission from her mother, who was told there would be responsible adults present.<ref name=parliament/> Leigh was reported to have gotten heavily intoxicated very quickly.<ref name=age/> Shortly afterwards Leigh had sex on the beach with a boy aged 15; she had previously been a virgin.<ref name=limit/> There is strong evidence to suggest that this was rape, however the 15-year-old boy, who was never publicly named for legal reasons, was not charged with rape. Whether or not the sex was consensual remains contentious.<ref name=age/> When Judge Joseph Moore reviewed the evidence in 1995, he concluded that Leigh's first sexual encounter at the party went beyond "carnal knowledge". He called it non-consensual.<ref name="Sticks">{{cite web
|date = 29 September 1996
|url = http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s10729.htm
|title = Sticks and Stones: The Killing of Leigh Leigh
|publisher = [[Australian Broadcasting Corporation]]
|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}</ref>

{{quote|The evidence before me indicates that Leigh rejected the juvenile's advances, and that his intercourse with her was without her consent.|Judge Joseph Moore<ref name = "Sticks" />}}

It was also widely reported that Leigh was [[Types of rape#Gang rape|gang raped]]. Regarding this Detective Sergeant Lance Chaffey, who headed the investigation stated:

{{quote|"There was no semen found in the body, none; the boy who'd had sex with her said he didn't ejaculate. And you don't have a gang rape without semen. That's a point that's been lost along the way."<ref name="age"/>}}

When Leigh returned to the party she was distressed and seeking assistance. Nineteen-year-old Guy Wilson, the other bouncer, and the only other person besides Webster aged over 18 at the party, also demanded sex from her.<ref name=brien/> Wilson was joined by Webster and around ten other boys who surrounded Leigh and pushed her to the ground. They yelled abuse, kicked her, spat on her, threw bottles at her and spat beer on her head.<ref name=age/> This was witnessed by other people at the party; no one came to help her.<ref name=age/> Similar physical and verbal assaults continued inside the crowded clubhouse where she sought refuge. Leigh then walked to the beach. Webster followed her, grabbed her, dragged her to a hollow between the dunes, violently raped, beat, strangled and killed her by striking her head with a piece of concrete weighing {{Convert|6|kg|lb|0|abbr=on}}. The first blow to the head killed her.<ref name="age" /> Webster continued to hit her several more times. She was disfigured beyond recognition, the entire left side of her head was caved in.<ref name="brien"/> Leigh still had her invitation to attend the party in her pocket when her body was found the next morning.<ref name=parliament/>

==Convictions==
Matthew Webster pleaded guilty to Leigh's murder and on 24 October 1990 Justice Wood sentenced him a minimum of 14 years with an additional 6 years during which he would be eligible for parole.<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Morrow |first1=Jonathon |last2=San Roque |first2=Mehera |year=1996 |title= In Her Death She Remains as the Limit of the System |journal=[[Sydney Law Review]] |url= http://search2.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/SydLRev/1996/28.pdf |volume=18 |issue=474 |pages=473 |doi= }}</ref> Justice Wood found that Webster's motivation for killing Lee was his fear she would report his sexual assault upon her.<ref name=limit/> Webster was the first murderer in New South Wales to be sentenced under the [[truth in sentencing]] legislation.<ref name=limit/> He was released on parole on 10 June 2004 after serving 14½ years.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2004/s1128673.htm |title=Leigh Leigh's killer released on parole |author=Foschia, Liz |date=10 June 2004 |work=Australian Broadcasting Corporation |accessdate=24 June 2010}}</ref> Following his release, Leigh's family stated they harboured "...no ill thoughts" towards Webster and wished him well in the "...re-establishment of his life".<ref name="SMH-1">{{cite web
|date = 6 June 2004
|url = http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/05/1086377188065.html?from=moreStories
|title = Teen killer's mum relieved he's free
|publisher = [[The Sydney Morning Herald]]
|author = Chad Watson
|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}</ref>

Guy Wilson served six months for assault, the unnamed 15-year-old was also sentenced to 6 months custody in a detention centre; the sentence was reduced on appeal to 100 hours community service.<ref name="brien">{{cite web
|date = October 2009
|url = http://www.textjournal.com.au/oct09/brien.htm
|title = Based on a True Story': The problem of the perception of biographical truth in narratives based on real lives
|author = Donna Lee Brien
|accessdate = 3 January 2010
|work = Textjournal.com.au}}
</ref>

==Aftermath==
Police were criticised over their handling of the investigation, in particular for failing to quickly identify perpetrators,<ref name=red/> their treatment of witnesses, and for interviewing children without the permission of their parents.<ref name=abc/> A review in 2000 recommended the dismissal of Detective Sergeant Lance Chaffey and disciplinary action against the other investigative officers.<ref name=red/><ref name="abc">{{cite web
|date = 18 October 2000
|url = http://www.abc.net.au/pm/stories/s201131.htm
|title = NSW releases findings of police misconduct inquiry
|publisher = Australian Broadcasting Corporation
|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}
</ref>

The murder was discussed at length in the [[Parliament of New South Wales]],<ref name="parliament">{{cite web
|url=http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/PARLMENT/hansArt.nsf/V3Key/LA19961015004|
title=Death of Leigh Leigh|publisher=[[Parliament of New South Wales]]|date=15 October 1996
|author = Paul Whelan
|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}</ref> and the release of Matthew Webster on parole was also discussed in Parliament 14 years later.<ref name="parole">{{cite web|url=http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/Parlment/HansArt.nsf/V3Key/LC20040603029|title=Matt Webster Grant of Parole|publisher=[[Parliament of New South Wales]]|date=3 June 2004|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}</ref> There were initial concerns as to whether or not Webster was suitable for parole; after discussion of the circumstances his parole release went unopposed. {{Quote|The issue is simply this: Do we continue to keep him in custody for an extended period of time when he has made progress—bearing in mind that at the end of his 20-year sentence he would be released and there would be no opportunity to supervise him? Or, alternatively, do we take it the next step further and, once he has satisfactorily completed all the relevant leave programs and appropriate courses, test him out in the community and give him an opportunity?<ref name=parole/>|[[John Hatzistergos]]}}

Advances in [[DNA]] testing technology may lead to a re-examination of the case.<ref>{{cite web
|date = 18 November 2009
|url = http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/18/2746741.htm
|title = DNA advances could implicate more in Leigh rape case
|publisher = Australian Broadcasting Corporation
|accessdate = 3 January 2010}}</ref>

==Theatrical and film adaptations==
A play, written by Australian playwright [[Nick Enright]] was inspired by the events.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2003/s821043.htm |title=Tribute to Enright |author=Baillie, Rebecca |date=31 March 2003 |work=[[The 7.30 Report]] |accessdate=24 June 2010}}</ref> The play originally premiered at ''Freewheels Theatre'' in [[Newcastle, New South Wales|Newcastle]] in 1992 under the title ''A Property of the Clan'', and was later shown at the [[National Institute of Dramatic Art]] in 1993.<ref name=red/> The play was later retitled ''[[Blackrock (play)|Blackrock]]'' after some revisions and was performed by the [[Sydney Theatre Company]] in 1995 and 1996.<ref name="red">{{cite book |title=Reel tracks: Australian feature film music and cultural identities |last=Coyle |first=Rebecca |year=2005 |publisher=John Libbey Publishing |isbn=978-0-86196-658-5 |pages=23, 24 |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=G8BADHUuJyAC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=leigh+stockton+beach+rape&source=bl&ots=y6N06Qcz4P&sig=9AsE4M1zcwNjvY4OTIjwkWV4zQg&hl=en&ei=9OA_S76AKI60tge6-eyPCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBAQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=leigh%20stockton%20beach%20rape&f=false |accessdate=24 June 2010}}</ref> It was developed into a film, also entitled ''[[Blackrock (film)|Blackrock]]'', which was released in 1997.<ref name=brien/> In both the plays and the film the characters names are changed; for example Leigh's character is named Tracy however the events are still set in Stockton and Newcastle.<ref name=red/> Leigh's family objected to naming the character Tracy, as 'Tracey' was the name of Leigh's cousin and best friend.<ref name=brien/><ref name=red/> The community of Stockton opposed filming in the area, citing that the memories of the events were still fresh and the details of the script were too close for comfort.<ref name=brien/> Complaints about the film were exacerbated by the film-makers denial that the film was specifically about Leigh, despite the choice of Stockton for filming.<ref name=red/> {{quote|I've never researched the Leigh Leigh story. I picked up the general outline of it and used its mythological shape as the starting point for the piece.<ref name=brien/>|Nick Enright}} Leigh's family were vehemently opposed to the film, saying the film-makers were "feasting on an unfortunate situation".<ref name=brien/> Both the stage and film representations were credited with correcting misinformation reported in the media regarding the murder, as well as to providing a forum for reflection on the events.<ref name=red/> Both the plays and the film question how extreme male bonding in youth subcultures relegates females to purely domestic and sexual roles,<ref name=red/> and are about why any group of boys might abuse any girl.<ref name=brien/>

==References==
{{reflist|colwidth=30em}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Leigh, Leigh}}
[[Category:Murder in 1989]]
[[Category:Murdered Australian children]]
[[Category:Murders]]
[[Category:History of Newcastle, New South Wales]]
[[Category:People murdered in New South Wales]]
[[Category:Rape in Australia]]