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Mount Eden (disambiguation)

2011-03-02T11:29:38Z

Moppf:

'''Mount Eden''' may refer to:

;places
*[[Concourse, Bronx#Mount Eden|Mount Eden, Bronx]], a neighborhood in the Bronx, New York City
*[[Mount Eden]], volcano and suburb in Auckland, New Zealand
*[[Mount Eden, California]], in Hayward, California
*Mount Eden Landing, former name of [[Eden Landing, California]]

;transport
*[[Mt Eden Train Station]], Auckland, New Zealand
*[[Mount Eden Avenue (IRT Jerome Avenue Line)]], New York City subway

;other
*[[Mt. Eden High School]], in Hayward, California
*[[Mount Eden Prisons]], in Auckland, New Zealand
*[[Mt Eden Dubstep]], Musician from New Zealand
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Mount Eden (disambiguation)

2011-03-02T11:28:19Z

Moppf:

Mount Eden (disambiguation)

2011-03-02T11:26:26Z

Moppf:

List of dubstep musicians

2011-03-02T11:23:17Z

Moppf:

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This is a '''list of [[dubstep]] musicians'''. This includes artists who have either been very important to the genre or have had a considerable amount of exposure (such as in the case of one that has been on a major label, but not limited to such). This list does not include little-known local artists. Artists are listed by the first letter in their name (not including the words "a", "an", or "the").

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==0-9==
* [[12th Planet (musician)|12th Planet]]
* [[2562 (musician)|2562]]

==A==
* [[Appleblim]]

==B==
* [[Bassnectar]]
* [[Benga (musician)|Benga]]
* [[Boxcutter (musician)|Boxcutter]]
* [[Burial (musician)|Burial]]

==C==
* [[Caspa]]
* [[Chase & Status]]
* [[Clubroot (musician)|Clubroot]]
* [[Cyrus (musician)|Cyrus]]

==D==
*[[Datsik (musician)|Datsik]]
* [[Digital Mystikz]]
* [[Dirtyphonics]]
* [[Distance (musician)|Distance]]
* [[DJ Chef]]
* [[Drop the Lime]]

==E==
* [[Excision (musician)|Excision]]

==F==
* [[Flying Lotus]]

==G==
* [[The Gaslamp Killer]]

==H==
* [[Horsepower Productions]]

==I==
* [[Ikonika]]
* [[Ivan Shopov (musician)|Ivan Shopov]]

==J==
* [[Jakwob]]
* [[James Blake (musician)|James Blake]]
* [[Jazzsteppa]]
* [[Joe Nice]]
* [[Juakali]]

==K==
* [[King Midas Sound]]
* [[Kode9]]

==L==
* [[Liquid Stranger]]

==M==
* [[Magnetic Man]]
* [[Mick Harris]]
* [[Mount Kimbie]]
* [[MRK1]]
* [[Mt Eden Dubstep]]

==N==
* [[Nero (musicians)|NERO]]

==P==
* [[Pinch (dubstep musician)|Pinch]]
* [[Plastician]]

==R==
* [[Rusko (musician)|Rusko]]

==S==
* [[Sam Shackleton|Shackleton]]
* [[Sick Cycle]]
* [[Skream]]
* [[Sonny Moore|Skrillex]]
* [[Spor]] (aka, Feed Me)

==T==
* [[Trolley Snatcha]]

==V==
* [[Vaccine (musician)|Vaccine]]
* [[Various]]

==Z==
* [[Zed Bias]]
* [[Zomby]]

[[Category:Lists of musicians by genre|Dubstep]]
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[[es:Anexo:Artistas de dubstep]]
[[lmo:Lista dij artista de müsega dubstep]]

Template:Journey to the Center of the Earth

2010-09-06T13:35:09Z

Moppf:

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Talk:Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 video game)

2010-09-06T13:33:37Z

Moppf:

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I'm not entirely sure if the title should be Journey to the Center of the Earth (DS game) or Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 video game) since there is also another game with the same name http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/journeytothecenteroftheearth/index.html?tag=result%3Btitle%3B0.

thanks.[[User:Moppf|Moppf]] ([[User talk:Moppf|talk]]) 13:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Journey to the Center of the Earth (disambiguation)

2010-09-06T13:29:05Z

Moppf:

'''''[[Journey to the Centre of the Earth]]''''' is an 1864 science fiction novel by Jules Verne. It may also refer to:

'''Adaptations of the novel''':
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959 film)|''Journey to the Center of the Earth'' (1959 film)]], starring James Mason, Pat Boone, and Arlene Dahl
**[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (TV series)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (TV series)]], based on the 1959 film
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (1976 film)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (1976 film)]], starring [[Kenneth More]]
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (1989 film)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (1989 film)]], a sequel to the movie ''Alien from L.A.''
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (1993 TV film)]], featuring [[Carel Struycken]], [[Tim Russ]] and [[Jeffrey Nordling]]
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (1999 miniseries)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (1999 miniseries)]], starring [[Treat Williams]] and [[Bryan Brown]]
* [[Journey to the Center of the Earth (radio)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (2000 radio drama)]], produced for National Public Radio by the Radio Tales series.
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2000 stageplay)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (2000 stageplay)]], Presented by Pegasus Theatre, Dallas TX
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2003 video game)|''Journey to the Center of the Earth'' (2003 video game)]], an adventure game developed by [[Micro Application]]
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 TV film)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (2008 TV film)]], featuring Rick Schroeder
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 Asylum film)]], a [[direct-to-DVD]] film produced by [[The Asylum]]
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 film)|''Journey to the Center of the Earth'' (2008 film)]], an adaptation with 3-D elements, starring [[Brendan Fraser]]
**[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (DS game)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (DS game)]], a video game adaptation of the 2008 movie for the [[Nintendo DS]]

'''Other uses''':
*[[Journey to the Centre of the Earth (album)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (album)]], a 1974 progressive music, concept album by Rick Wakeman
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (attraction)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (attraction)]], an attraction at Tokyo DisneySea that plays into the Jules Verne story

==See also==
*[[Travel to the Earth's center]], a science fiction theme

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Journey to the Center of the Earth (disambiguation)

2010-09-06T13:28:33Z

Moppf:

'''''[[Journey to the Centre of the Earth]]''''' is an 1864 science fiction novel by Jules Verne. It may also refer to:

'''Adaptations of the novel''':
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959 film)|''Journey to the Center of the Earth'' (1959 film)]], starring James Mason, Pat Boone, and Arlene Dahl
**[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (TV series)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (TV series)]], based on the 1959 film
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (1976 film)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (1976 film)]], starring [[Kenneth More]]
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (1989 film)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (1989 film)]], a sequel to the movie ''Alien from L.A.''
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (1993 TV film)]], featuring [[Carel Struycken]], [[Tim Russ]] and [[Jeffrey Nordling]]
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (1999 miniseries)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (1999 miniseries)]], starring [[Treat Williams]] and [[Bryan Brown]]
* [[Journey to the Center of the Earth (radio)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (2000 radio drama)]], produced for National Public Radio by the Radio Tales series.
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2000 stageplay)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (2000 stageplay)]], Presented by Pegasus Theatre, Dallas TX
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2003 video game)|''Journey to the Center of the Earth (2003 video game)]], an adventure game developed by [[Micro Application]]
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 TV film)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (2008 TV film)]], featuring Rick Schroeder
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 Asylum film)]], a [[direct-to-DVD]] film produced by [[The Asylum]]
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 film)|''Journey to the Center of the Earth'' (2008 film)]], an adaptation with 3-D elements, starring [[Brendan Fraser]]
**[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (DS game)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (DS game)]], a video game adaptation of the 2008 movie for the [[Nintendo DS]]

'''Other uses''':
*[[Journey to the Centre of the Earth (album)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (album)]], a 1974 progressive music, concept album by Rick Wakeman
*[[Journey to the Center of the Earth (attraction)|''Journey to the Centre of the Earth'' (attraction)]], an attraction at Tokyo DisneySea that plays into the Jules Verne story

==See also==
*[[Travel to the Earth's center]], a science fiction theme

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[[de:Die Reise zum Mittelpunkt der Erde]]
[[it:Viaggio al centro della Terra]]
[[nl:Journey to the Center of the Earth]]
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File:JTTCOTE Screen.jpg

2010-09-06T13:20:36Z

Moppf:

==Summary==
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File:Journey to the Center of the Earth Coverart.png

2010-09-06T13:20:03Z

Moppf:

== Summary ==
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== Licensing: ==
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Talk:Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 video game)

2010-09-06T13:19:08Z

Moppf: moved Talk:Journey to the Center of the Earth (video game) to Talk:Journey to the Center of the Earth (DS game): There is also a completely different PC game named journey to the center of the earth http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/journe...

Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 video game)

2010-09-06T13:19:08Z

Moppf: moved Journey to the Center of the Earth (video game) to Journey to the Center of the Earth (DS game): There is also a completely different PC game named journey to the center of the earth http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/journeytothecent...

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'''''Journey to the Center of the Earth''''' (shortened as '''JCOE''') is an [[Action game]] for the [[Nintendo DS]] based on the movie: [[Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008 film)|Journey to the Center of the Earth 3-D]] and is developed and published by [[THQ]].<ref name="1up's preview of Journey to the Center of the Earth">{{cite web|url=http://www.1up.com/do/search?st=Journey+to+the+Center+of+the+Earth|title=1up's preview of Journey to the Center of the Earth|publisher=1up|accessdate=2008-07-03}}</ref><ref name="IGN's preview of Journey to the Center of the Earth">{{cite web|url=http://ds.ign.com/objects/142/14246945.html|title=IGN's look at Journey to the Center of the Earth |publisher=IGN|pages=One|accessdate=2008-06-28}}</ref>

''Journey to the Center of the Earth'' will allow the player to play as the three [[main characters]] of the movie: Trevor, Sean and Hannah as they journey to and through the center of the earth.<ref name="IGN's preview of Journey to the Center of the Earth"/> In the game the player will navigate their way through the center of the [[Earth]] in an attempt to escape.

== Gameplay ==
[[Image:JTTCOTE Screen.jpg|160px|left|thumb|Trevor navigating through the center of the Earth]]
The gameplay of the game is based solely around the events of the movie in an open world environment, allowing the player to control out-of-control mine carts, and rafts throughout out the center of the [[Earth]].<ref name="IGN's JTTCOTE update">{{cite web|url=http://ds.ign.com/articles/869/869160p1.html|title=IGN's update of Journey to the Center of the Earth|publisher=IGN|accessdate=2008-07-03}}</ref> [[THQ]] also expanded the environment of the center of the Earth to allow the player to further journey throughout the open environment.<ref name="IGN's JTTCOTE update"/> The game also features three playable characters including: Trevor, Sean, and Hannah who each have a special ability.<ref name="THQ official page for Journey to the Center of the Earth">{{cite web|url=http://www.playthq.com/games/gameinfo.php?id=1327|title=Play THQ/JTTCOTE|date=June 30, 2008|publisher=THQ|accessdate=2008-07-03}}</ref> Progress in the game is based on the use of [[checkpoints]].<ref name="IGN's review of Journey to the Center of the Earth">{{cite web|url=http://ds.ign.com/articles/888/888074p1.html|title=IGN's review of Journey to the Center of the Earth|publisher=IGN|accessdate=2008-07-12}}</ref> Each time a character [[death|dies]], they return to the last checkpoint and [[continue]] from there.<ref name="IGN's review of Journey to the Center of the Earth">{{cite web|url=http://ds.ign.com/articles/888/888074p1.html|title=IGN's review of Journey to the Center of the Earth|publisher=IGN|accessdate=2008-07-12}}</ref>''Journey to the Center of the Earth'' allows the player to control movements with the bottom screen while the character reacts on the upper screen. IGN said this about the game: "Horrible controls make the game an endless pattern of accidentally jumping into bottomless pits."<ref name="IGN's review of Journey to the Center of the Earth"/>

==Reception==
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[[IGN]] simply noted that "it's [the game] freaking terrible, and there's not even a console version to go play instead." IGN mainly criticized the game because there was only a version to play for the Nintendo DS and not on another platform. IGN also criticized the recordings of the game, saying that "The [[voice acting]] and [[sound effects]] for Center of the Earth are so horrendously bad that they literally made me [[LOL]]."<ref name="IGN's review of Journey to the Center of the Earth"/>

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[[Category:2008 video games]]
[[Category:Nintendo DS games]]
[[Category:Nintendo DS-only games]]
[[Category:Video games based on films]]
[[Category:Works inspired by Jules Verne]]

Talk:Halo: Reach

2010-09-01T17:02:22Z

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==Intro statement==
Saying "Players control Noble 6, a member of an elite supersoldier squad, during a battle for the human world of Reach." can be a bit misleading, I thought it meant they were actually Elites when I first read it. I don't know if it warrants rephrasing though. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:BelalHaniffa|BelalHaniffa]] ([[User talk:BelalHaniffa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BelalHaniffa|contribs]]) 09:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC) 

==Vandalism==
"The download will require a 7,000+ GB hard drive."
Can someone please remove this?

==Names==
Uh, where are people getting these names from for the Noble Group Spartans? From the news all over the web. The only one I remember hearing is Jorge, and the "Lone Wolf". [[Special:Contributions/24.138.12.222|24.138.12.222]] ([[User talk:24.138.12.222|talk]]) 20:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:I think they're from a press release that must have accompanied the announcement but no-one's found a citation yet. Check Halopedia (link's at the bottom of the article page). They might have a source. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 21:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
::I can't provide a source, but I think one is referred to as Jorge and the others have their names on their armour.[[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The names I edited this page with are from the 202 issue of Game Informer Magazine. Feel free to go to their website to for more updates[[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 22:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

The official and most accurate (100% Positive) is from the developers website, Bungie. The names on Gameinformer are accurate because they were relased to them by Bungie. xXSc3n1cXx 17:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]])  

== Where's the details? ==

I don't see any specific details about Halo: Reach anywhere in this article. You'd think Wikipedia (no offense, Wikipedia) would have a bit more insight into what Halo: Reach is about, what the plot is, the exact date it's coming out, etc. All I see are the following:

Vague descriptions of the characters

Passive plot discussion

No specific date of release

I mean, come on! You guys should at least have a bit more insight into what Halo: Reach is going to include! [[User:Spikeclaw|Spikeclaw]] ([[User talk:Spikeclaw|talk]]) 17:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:Err... maybe it's because nobody has ''said anything''? We can't comment on something until a reliable source has actually said a date or the plot or anything. They haven't. They probably won't for at least a few more weeks. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 17:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

And some information is too specific, it states that it is based on a squad of six Spartan-II's when it has not been confirmed that they are II's, in fact some of the references in the video sounds like they are potentially Spartan-IIIs (Pegasi) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Littlefatmonkey|Littlefatmonkey]] ([[User talk:Littlefatmonkey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlefatmonkey|contribs]]) 19:44, 16 December 2009 (UTC) 
:Spartan III's were only on Onyx. There were the UNSC's dirty little secret. They won't be on Reach. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 20:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Yea but before the end of Ghosts of Onyx, most of the third group have left and been deployed, i think that would line up with reach. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Littlefatmonkey|Littlefatmonkey]] ([[User talk:Littlefatmonkey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlefatmonkey|contribs]]) 03:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC) 

:Actually, they left around October. Reach fell in August. Note that they did not say "Pegasi Delta", but "Pegasi" meaning it could be any place in the Pegasus constellation. Lieutenant is much too high for a SPARTAN-III, as there is apparently a reason why IIs are only allowed to be Non-rate crewmen of the Petty Officer ranks. Other than the two Beta Comapny IIIs that survived Pegasi Delta, everyone else was around 12 years old by 2552. Furthermore, they would not be moved into another team, as they were a secret project. Knowlege of the IIIs was restricted to a handful of people. Would you let them be a liability? Someone could reveal that they were taken as 6 year olds, given drugs and sent on suicidal missions because the IIs were dying, which was also a secret. --[[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 10:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
::Also, IIs were the only ones to use MJOLNIR (and those looked like variants of it). IIIs used the godawful-ugly Semi-Powered Infiltration armour. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 04:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, wikipedia isn't a place to make guesses. It's a place to record facts. [[User:Kingbirdy23|Kingbirdy23]] ([[User talk:Kingbirdy23|talk]]) 02:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

The suit make look aweful but the reason they were made was becuase they were cheaper and quicker to make then the Spartan II's armor. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kilgannon2113|contribs]]) 22:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC) 

:It was confirmed on the Bungie website that All of Noble Team except for one were Spartan-III, and that does make sense, because Colonel Ackerson created the Spartan-III program but it didn't say in the book that all of them except the ones that went with Dr. Halsey died. I don't think we should include that though until Bungie puts how they got to Reach up because most of it is just sepculation clouded with the halopedia article.

==Release date==
Which month is Halo: Reach going to be released? I know the article says Fall but which Fall? The September-November one or the March-May one? --[[User:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] ([[User talk:NuparuMahnika|talk]]) 09:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:This is why I always change it to "Autumn"... it's the real name and most english-speaking countries use it.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 12:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::Wait, there are two falls? I've only ever heard it referring to autumn. Is this an American thing or have I just not come across it before? --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 16:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:::So which one is it then? --[[User:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] ([[User talk:NuparuMahnika|talk]]) 05:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I have been told by an employee of the date May. 23. I cannot give the source as it would be a violation of my promise. [[Special:Contributions/99.182.222.37|99.182.222.37]] ([[User talk:99.182.222.37|talk]]) 09:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:Then why bother saying it? Hmm? Wikipedia needs reliable sources. Even if you ''had'' said the source, it would still be a case of hearsay. All you've done is sow the seeds of potential confusion down the line. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 16:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Im confused just looking at the article, any specific dates should not refer to seasons, even if the name for a season is specific to only one country, I understand Fall means Autumn, yet I am not in the USA, and since my Autumn is different to their Autumn, a specific time period should be put in place, either month(s), or quarters.[[Special:Contributions/125.238.25.16|125.238.25.16]] ([[User talk:125.238.25.16|talk]]) 09:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
::Put simply. "Fall" in this case refers to the American season, which is somewhere in september-november. Remember "fall" is "autumn" in many other northern hemisphere countries. [[Special:Contributions/59.101.126.53|59.101.126.53]] ([[User talk:59.101.126.53|talk]]) 09:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The official release date has not been announced by Bungie; but a date of September 14, 2010 has been set by Gameinformer. Or It might have been IGN or Gamepro, but I'm almost positive it was Gameinformer. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]]) 17:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC) 
:A release date has been set although not orally said by Bungie, a link to pre-order the game from the Bungie.net homepage connects to an Amazon.com link which states the release to be on September 1, 2010. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 01:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 
::September 1 is a generic date used for the Fall of any given year. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 02:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually when the September equinox occurs the first day of Fall begins. It occurs around September 22nd. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 13:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 

== Spartan III ==

Not sure if it's a good source so I'll put it here. It seems that Microsoft confirmed that you are a Spartan III. Should we put this in? [http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/21746/Microsoft-Confirms-Spartan-IIIs-in-Halo-Reach/] [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 19:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

:Nah, I've seen a lot of "official" sites change it back to II... looks to me like a typo. If you read Ghosts of Onyx, you'd see the impossibility.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 13:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::Going by the official press release, yes there are Spartan-IIIs. It doesn't matter if we think it's impossible, it's a reliable source that we have no reason to doubt. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 14:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Ok... but I've been hearing a lot that the "Official press release" made a typo. I could look into it, if you want.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::::And as the TeamXbox link above pointed out, Microsoft verified there were no typos. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 15:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::The most recent live action trailer for the game, which is entitled ''Birth of a Spartan'' shows the conversion of one man into a Spartan III and it is proven that he becomes a Spartan III because his uniform says ''Spartan III''. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 14:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 

It's been confirmed. The Spartans in Reach are Spartan IIIs with the exception of Jorge. He is still in Spartan II armor. The idea was that they didn't want people to expect the story of Master Chief so they made the characters Spartan IIIs so that they couldn't possibly be the same story as Master Chief was a Spartan II. The story of the game Halo: Reach happens during the same time as the book but is not the same story line or the same people.[[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 22:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

:We've known that since January >.< Still, another confirmation was ok. "S-III" wasn't on his uniform, it was α259, an S-III company tag. The computer panel read "SPARTAN-III", though. -- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of playable characters, what is this whole play as humans in multiplayer thing? In the multiplayer beta trailer you clearly play multiplayer as Spartan IIIs. This isn't ODST. I am going to edit that out. [[User:Neckername|Neckername]] ([[User talk:Neckername|talk]]) 11:25, 9 April 2010 (EST)

:Spartans are humans, I think that's actually the EVA armour, whose helmet resembles the S-III helmet. The S-III helmet is more "bubble"-like on the visor, while the EVA helmet is more angular.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Natal ==

Should we include this in the development section? http://ie.xbox360.ign.com/articles/105/1059115p1.html [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 23:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:Read it carefully. It's not saying that it will have Natal. It's saying that players who would prefer playing with a controller would still like Natal. It's not saying that Reach will actually ''have'' Natal. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 00:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, my bad. Just mis-read it. [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 12:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Looks like Reach is not going to Natal support. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6249160.html [[User:IronStorm42|IronStorm42]] ([[User talk:IronStorm42|talk]]) 06:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== Game Informer article ==

There is a substansial bit of new info. on Halo Reach in the Feb issue of Game Informer. Why hasn't this been included yet? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 14:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:Perhaps no one has it yet? Do you? Why don't you add the information! =) –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 14:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

All the info I've seen so far is on blocked websites here at work. If no one has added by the time I get home then I will. Avenged 521 —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 14:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 

Here is the screenshots of the GI. If someone can check these out and post the info it would be great, I would but I can't access imageshack here.
[redacted per linkvio] —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 16:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:Thank you for these links but I'm afraid we cannot keep them per [[WP:LINKVIO]]. –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 16:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

So until a "Official" site puts it up we can't use the info. from the mag? I'm sorry but I'm new at the editing/ contributing thing. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 16:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:We can't put up the information until it appears in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]—think IGN, GameSpot and the like rather than RandomXbox360Blog.com or whatnot. Scans of the content is a copyright violation, thus the link was removed. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) so we know whose comments is what. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

:We ''can'' use the info from the mag, but we just can't allow the links to scans of the mag to remain visible. –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 19:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The Game Informer ''IS'' a reputable source. Xeno can you throw it up? [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]]) 19:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:I never said it wasn't, just that info from ''Game Informer'' on other sites should be scrutinized carefully. As it is I recently got a hold of a copy, so I will be adding information if no one else is. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 00:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I added almost every bit of information in that article about a week ago and it was never added. It had information about each character, their role in the team, height, weight, their Service Numbers (e.g. S-239) and other information about the visuals of the game, new weapons and enemies and other things. It was all either deleted or not accepted or whatever. I was rather upset about it. Can anybody shed light on this? And yes Game Informer is a reputable source. It should be scrutinized that roughly. The magazine has been around for a while and the article was based on an interview with the Bungie Team creative director Marcus Lehto. It should be a reputable source if it's directly from someone from Bungie for heaven's sake. [[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 19:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:Perhaps you should learn to read; no one is disputing that ''Game Informer'' is not a reputable source. However irrelevant details like the height and weight of a fictional character is not needed and if it was in the article, was rightly removed. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

@David Fuchs, why do you claim weight and height is irrelevant? I came here for that specific information. Who is to decide what information is relevant to others? Wikipedia isn't about picking and choosing which bits of information is important or not--it's about sharing the information that pertains to the topic at hand. I happen to think every detail of the GI article is relevant to the topic. I mean, we are editing the Halo: Reach article right? And, that was the name of the article that GI just published, right? Who is to say what detail is too small? I mean, I guess we can go create individual pages for each of the characters but something tells me you wouldn't like that either. [[User:CrazedSpartanHadouken|CrazedSpartanHadouken]] ([[User talk:CrazedSpartanHadouken|talk]]) 17:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:And you're completely wrong; we aren't a fan guide, game guide, or publisher of excessive detail. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 17:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Look, CrazedSpartan, Wikipedia can't satisfy everybody. If you want better details and such, than by no means, head over to Halopedia. Wikipedia doesn't go very deep into video games.--[[User:Rollersox|Rollersox]] ([[User talk:Rollersox|talk]]) 18:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from 69.131.223.138, 6 April 2010 ==

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 you forgot the "O" in HALO


[[Special:Contributions/69.131.223.138|69.131.223.138]] ([[User talk:69.131.223.138|talk]]) 20:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks kindly! –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 20:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== Armor Ability Info ==

I edited the gameplay section to include more information on the new armor abilities since they are a big change and should be more than a small sub-section of a single paragraph. However, this information has been taken down entirely. Granted I didn't offer a citation since I am not aware of how to do so, but anyone watching this article would know where to get the citation (bungie.net), and it could have just been given a "citation needed" label, instead of being torn down completely..

If possible, could the information I added be restored? [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 20:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkyJW15|contribs]]) 20:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 

:Hi there. I'm not the user that removed your edits, but they seemed to be just a bit too detailed for Wikipedia. Thanks for editing though!

Well, if someone feels they're too detailed, they're free to edit them to simplify them rather than remove the information and keep a major game change restrained to 1-2 sentences. The whole point of Wikipedia is to have information, perhaps not too detailed of information, but information none the less.[[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 01:57, 8 April 2010
:We are not a specialized gaming encyclopedia, and we are not a game guide. We are not writing for ''Halo'' fans, but for the average bloke who may or not have played the game, let alone ''a'' video game in their lives. So we keep it succint, and simple. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm guessing you disregarded all I said previously. I admit I may have gone too detailed, but something like Armor Abilities which Bungie themselves have said in podcasts have greatly changed their map design and gameplay as a whole should be attended to with more than a line of mention. Something I noticed in the current article is that it says the Elites have a unique roll ability, but it doesn't mention it's an Armor Ability unique to the Elites, so it sounds like it's just something the Elites can do by themselves without Armor Abilities. But by your standards if I went and identified it as such, it would be too much like a, how did you describe it, "game guide".
And don't speak to me in an imputent tone sir. I know very well what the Wikipedia community strives for, but the "normal bloke" who visits the Halo Reach page is probably looking for some details, not a one to two line mention. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 00:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

:What the "normal bloke" would look for would be a summarisation of the overall plot and genre ("A Sci-fi game set on a Human-occupied world in the future, under an attack from an alien force known as the Covenant"), its release date, the console it is on, and *if available* some ratings. If you want to go in-depth, I suggest you try the [[Wikia:Halopedia|Halo Encyclopedia]]. --[[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 01:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

If someone wanted to learn all the things you say they want to learn in an article about a game, then they'd just go to IGN or Gamestop where they could get the same information by searching it on their website. Hell, I could get everything you're talking about out of the booklets they have at Hollywood video for free that give everything you've stated people want to know in a 3 inch space (if that), along with the same information for plenty of other games.
Also, take into consideration that the "normal bloke" who comes through here is most likely a "normal gamer", because no random person is going to be searching "Halo: Reach" as if they've never heard of Halo before, considering that in gaming culture Halo is one of the biggest games of this generation. The way I see it, people who look up a videogame on any site are probably looking for information other than the basic storyline, which they probably already know. What they're most likely looking for are details that either persuade them or enlighten them, and this "article" does neither.
At the rate this "article" is going you might aswell erase all of it and just place a link to the Halo: Reach page on Bungie.net for the time being.
So fine, if Wikipedia is meant to be no better than a booklet that took a dollar and an hour to make, then I'll leave you to do so. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 14:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you. Come back when you learn to spell your five-dollar words correctly. I think you'll find the guidelines and policies won't have changed. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 15:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Very good response, bravo sir, bravo. Your wisdom and intelligence is beyond compare. And your ability to give me such a great counter argument in a civil debate. C'est belle monsieur, c'est belle! [[Special:Contributions/99.53.98.17|99.53.98.17]] ([[User talk:99.53.98.17|talk]]) 22:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

um i see the need to have info on a game so many play, but wouldnt it be just as fun to play the game on the same lvl as everyone else and have the excitement of the halo universe unfold at the release date and not be bord of the game after a week of its release? =) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.95.255.149|74.95.255.149]] ([[User talk:74.95.255.149|talk]]) 18:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC) 

== Forge Mode? ==

Does anyone know if this game will have the Forge Mode of Halo 3? If so please put that info and a citation into the article. [[User:Venomclaw|Venom]]__[[User_talk:Venomclaw|Claw]] 16:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They have not explicitly mentioned Forge. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that there will be since in the recent April Fools Multiplayer Strategy Trailer we see a player control the Forge Monitor.
There were also several other clues such as territory markings and unique tags above players heads such as "King" and "Pawn" to resemble the titles of the characters in the fictional Chess game mode. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 00:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

No offense, but that ''was'' an April Fools Trailer. No, I don't think Reach will have Forge support. As a matter of fact, Bungie hasn't even said ''anything'' about it. I sure would like to see it in though. I'm not biased. I'm neutral on this. xXSc3n1cXx 18:06, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]])  
:They only accidentally mentioned Juggernaut was returning. They're staying close to the chest with lots of info; we just have to wait for sources. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 18:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::Your logic makes no sense XXSc3n1cXx. No game developer would ever release all of the information for the game when it's so far from release. Most likely they've added features to Forge and are keeping them hidden for later when they're not talking about the multiplayer as much. And considering this is the time in the development that they're focusing on the Beta, they're not going to just give off a bunch of info on other modes because that's not the current priority. And also, the joke of the April Fools trailer was the chess mode, so anything not relating to it still hold ground. And why would they go backwards? Pretty much everyone who plays Halo 3 also uses Forge, so for them to go and say "Hey, you guys all loved it so now we're taking it away" would just tick off all the fans. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkyJW15|contribs]]) 20:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC) 
:::UPDATE: GameInformer just announced Forge through their article with their preview of the Halo: Reach beta. Here's the link http://gameinformer.com/games/halo_reach/b/xbox360/archive/2010/04/21/halo-reach-multiplayer-beta-hands-on-preview.aspx [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 16:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

um lol didnt they take out the forge in odst? :O —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.95.255.149|74.95.255.149]] ([[User talk:74.95.255.149|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC) 

yes and no. there was no forge for firefight, but given the nature of that game type it wasn't needed. The multiplayer disc (2nd disc with all multiplayer modes) did have forge, however, this is more of a Halo 3 disc then a ODST disc.[[User:Solarguy17|Solarguy17]] ([[User talk:Solarguy17|talk]]) 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

:I think the April's fools joke wasn't made for nothing, they wouldn't have spent that much time on it and not include some part of it in the game. Also, the bipd tag for the Monitor was found in the reach beta level, and since i don't really see how 343 Guilty Spark could get all the way from Installation 04 to Reach, neither do i see why he would want to, i think it is safe to say that forge is going to be included in the game. [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] [[User talk:Assasin Joe|talk]] 14:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from ChefSwags, 30 April 2010 ==

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Halo: Reach has an official confirmed release date of September 2nd., Please Change

'''GameStop confirms!'''


:GameStop is not a reliable source. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 03:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Gamestop was wrong. May 3 is the beta.[[User:Cosmos0001|Cosmos0001]] ([[User talk:Cosmos0001|talk]]) 04:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Error about the Limited Edition price ==

In the article it says $90 for the Limited Edition but the actual price is $80.

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=77712

:*I've removed the pricing - since it's gonna be released in multiple countries (and even in the same country pricing may differ per store) it's impossible to track the "correct" pricing. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 13:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Terrible wording ==

"Halo: Reach is a shooter game; players experience gameplay from a first-person perspective."

Uhh, are you serious? It's a first-person shooter, not a shooter from a first-person perspective. [[Special:Contributions/67.186.179.229|67.186.179.229]] ([[User talk:67.186.179.229|talk]]) 21:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:It has the same goddamn meaning! Besides, they're ''called'' shooter (or "shoot-'em-up") games. They're just abbreviated FPS because it's quicker to say First-Person shooter.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 21:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

::It does have the same meaning; it's just about 7 words shorter. The current sentence sounds idiotic. Please go read a style manual.[[Special:Contributions/67.186.179.229|67.186.179.229]] ([[User talk:67.186.179.229|talk]]) 00:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Not everyone is a video game player and would know what FPS means. It's an accessibility issue. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 00:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Why not just say that it is a First Person Shooter? First Person means from the point of view of the person being controlled and shooter is selp explanetory - you shoot stuff. If someone does not understand the meaning of the term "First Person" then that means that they're just stupid to be honest;I remember learning about the term first person in Language Arts during third grade.
:: I'm not saying change it to FPS. I'm saying change it to "first person shooter". [[Special:Contributions/98.110.194.25|98.110.194.25]] ([[User talk:98.110.194.25|talk]]) 22:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
While this could have been addressed more diplomatically, the point stands. The verbiage is inconcise and squirelly, and "Halo: Reach is a first-person shooter," with a link to the FPS article, says in 5 words what the other sentence mumbles out in 11.[[Special:Contributions/214.3.138.234|214.3.138.234]] ([[User talk:214.3.138.234|talk]]) 18:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)Steve

Why is it still a shooter game with experience in first person perspective? I mean changing it to First-Person shooter is not that much of a change but it does save many words, that just like someone said before, are being mumbled. [[User:HELLSRIDER|HELLSRIDER]] ([[User talk:HELLSRIDER|talk]]) 01:32, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Sl4y3r999, 8 May 2010 ==

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I would like to change the release date for the product on this page.

My source http://www.bungiestore.com/Halo-Reach/A/B002BSA20M.htm has a release date for this product.

I believe this source is accurate as the store it is on is by the same developer as the product shown on this page.


[[User:Sl4y3r999|Sl4y3r999]] ([[User talk:Sl4y3r999|talk]]) 15:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:The September 1 release date is not echoed or reported at any other reliable/official source that I can see; it remains undetermined on xbox.com and IGN, for example. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Actually there seem to be a fair bit of sources that claim the same thing ([http://www.vgreleases.com/xbox360/releasedate-336646.aspx], [http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/05/06/halo-reach-official-release-date-could-be-september/]), although no official statement from Microsoft. Most sources seem to agree on a release date for of September 1 for US ([http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002BSA20M], [http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=77712]) and September 24 for EU ([http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=239124]). Even Amazon has put 1 September as the release date. Anyone against me adding this to the article or have some sources that disagree with this? - [[w:User:EdoDodo|EdoDodo]] [[w:User talk:EdoDodo|talk]] 13:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
September 1 is a generic date used for the Fall of any given year. Vendors will often tell you that if you ask. It's a date that they can put down to grab pre-orders. Until Bungie or Microsoft release the street date don't believe any other dates. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 02:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Information regarding Arena ==

New information regarding the Arena mode has been released by Bungie. There should be a new section in the article that involves the Arena mode and the formula used to rate a player on his/her gameplay. [[User:Str8Rippiniz2Legit|Str8Rippiniz2Legit]] ([[User talk:Str8Rippiniz2Legit|talk]]) 02:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:That would fall afoul of [[WP:GAMEGUIDE]]. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 02:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Jesseunger, 16 May 2010 ==

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In the Release section of the Halo: Reach article, the convert function (convert|10|lb|kg) reads out as "a 10 pounds (4.5 kg) statue". I suggest removing the convert and replacing it with just "a 10 pound (4.5 kg) statue".
-Thanks


[[User:Jesseunger|Jesseunger]] ([[User talk:Jesseunger|talk]]) 19:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

:Fixed with an additional parem. to the template. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Additional material ==

The Sydney Morning Herald Digital Life section wrote an article [http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/millions-reach-for-halo-20100525-w8jy.html here] on the game if anyone is looking for additional material. [[User:Salavat|Salavat]] ([[User talk:Salavat|talk]]) 07:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks. If someone else doesn't add it, I will. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== Single-player customization info ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqw6QvSzXQ Link] -- is an video interview (around 5:30) where the dev states that any armor customization attained in single-player would be visible when the player is viewed in cutscenes. A small thing, but I thought it particularly of note. It's from an IGN Insider video, so there's no actual link to the parent video, just the YouTube copy - that's why I didn't cite it in the article. If someone can find a public version it might be useful to add. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 14:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
:I've heard that too, it's just a matter of finding a decent source. I'll take a look. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

IT says its set in the year 2552? ,this can't be posable as that's the year odst is set in! an as odst is set during the halo 2 time-line, and reach is set be four halo 1 it just cant be right! —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.7.68.185|94.7.68.185]] ([[User talk:94.7.68.185|talk]]) 04:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 

== Possible vandalism ==

Third shooter game? First person (linking to third person (videogames))? Cancerites (linking to cancer (Halo 3))? Just, what? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dalek9|Dalek9]] ([[User talk:Dalek9|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dalek9|contribs]]) 08:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 
:Nice catch, that is one of the reasons this page was protected from IP's [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] [[User talk:Assasin Joe|talk]] 14:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Gareth Lorn, 5 July 2010 ==

The character section of this page is really lacking. There are dossiers on the Bungie website with detailed descriptions of each member of Noble Team, but this page only lists their names. For half of the squad, it doesn't even bother with an adjective. It also supposedly lists Carter as "no-nonsense". Is there a source for that? I don't remember him ever being referred to as "no-nonsense". Lastly, it says the marksman's name is "halo-266". Said marksman is not, in fact, named "halo". His name is Jun.

The gameplay part of the page is also needs an overhaul. There's no mention of the various info dumps Bungie released at E3 a couple weeks ago, such as Firefight 2.0 and the inclusion of space battles in campaign. Why? Both of those are pretty important.

If someone wants to give me access to the Reach page, I'd be happy fixing it. If not, someone should probably get on it. Just saying.

[[User:Gareth Lorn|Gareth Lorn]] ([[User talk:Gareth Lorn|talk]]) 15:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Technology? ==

Halo Wars takes place approximately 20 years before Halo Reach, but yet I've seen Cutscenes of Marines wielding the Battle Riffle.But during the time of this game that technology wasn't out and they were using the Designated Marksman Rifle? Please Explain. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rickman1945|Rickman1945]] ([[User talk:Rickman1945|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rickman1945|contribs]]) 02:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC) 

:The BR55 was in production in 2524, being used by Johnson and his militia on Harvest. It was an experimental prototype weapon for the majority of the war and so did not enter mass-production until near the end. The ''M392 Designated Marksman Rifle'' is an Army-issue Battle Rifle that is either the former service-issue Battle Rifle or simply a BR55 modified for the Army instead of the Marine Corps (they like to name them differently, like how the MA37 is an MA5-series Assault Rifle to the Marines) - depending on whether or not the BR55 was service-issue by the Fall of Reach.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 08:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::...And aside from that, it's not a real universe, and thus [[retcon]]s happen. It's not really germane to the focus of this article. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Further forge info, from ?reliable? source? ==

Comic-con panel, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-OceiL7uE YouTube footage] --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 14:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:I've commented in an IGN ref, which is supremely better than using Youtube or other such video documentation for our purposes. I suggest those looking to expand the coverage use that. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 23:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Forge World ==

Section Gameplay, paragraph 3. Forge World is referred to as "ForgeWorld" while the citation says its called Forge World and even on recent Bungie Weekly Update (and ViDoc) it's been called Forge World [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_072310 Bungie.net: Bungie Weekly Update: 07.23.10].

Also I think this is the "citation needed" for the first paragraph of Multiplayer (spending credits on customization) [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_032610 Bungie.net: Bungie Weekly Update 03.26.10]. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 17:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed. I'll take a look at the citation needed later. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 18:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Trivial info ==

'''Development > Multiplayer beta'''. ''"Since the beta ended on May 20, this means that the duration between the end of the beta and the full game coming out will be 117 days, a reference to [[John-117]]."'' that looks like trivial and useless info for me. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 03:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

:Also, on announcements there's a link to the achievements revealed in a Bungie Weekly Update. There's already a link for the Wikia page before the navbox templates and that sentence is also useless. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 03:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Photos ==

The photos on the page are really boring. Can someone spice it up and show off the engine? http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/images.aspx?c=59 These are great HD pictures —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tunavi|Tunavi]] ([[User talk:Tunavi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tunavi|contribs]]) 16:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC) 

== Leak ==

Halo: Reach was leaked to some extent earlier this week. I would be happy if members of Wikipedia tried to stop heavy spoilers from being added before the release date.

While this "no spoilers" idea didn't go well with the last Harry Potter novel (the entire plot being on Wikipedia before 12:00 GMT on the day of release), I would like to point out that people randomly adding in spoilers may not be telling the truth (for example: lying to see readers' reactions) and are unlikely to have sources.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 18:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

oh yeah ? who is lying now ? http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7427/img0059qu.jpg . full list of halo reach campaign. so... :) courtesy of thexgaming.com [[User:Moppf|Moppf]] ([[User talk:Moppf|talk]]) 17:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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==Intro statement==
Saying "Players control Noble 6, a member of an elite supersoldier squad, during a battle for the human world of Reach." can be a bit misleading, I thought it meant they were actually Elites when I first read it. I don't know if it warrants rephrasing though. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:BelalHaniffa|BelalHaniffa]] ([[User talk:BelalHaniffa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BelalHaniffa|contribs]]) 09:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC) 

==Vandalism==
"The download will require a 7,000+ GB hard drive."
Can someone please remove this?

==Names==
Uh, where are people getting these names from for the Noble Group Spartans? From the news all over the web. The only one I remember hearing is Jorge, and the "Lone Wolf". [[Special:Contributions/24.138.12.222|24.138.12.222]] ([[User talk:24.138.12.222|talk]]) 20:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:I think they're from a press release that must have accompanied the announcement but no-one's found a citation yet. Check Halopedia (link's at the bottom of the article page). They might have a source. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 21:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
::I can't provide a source, but I think one is referred to as Jorge and the others have their names on their armour.[[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The names I edited this page with are from the 202 issue of Game Informer Magazine. Feel free to go to their website to for more updates[[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 22:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

The official and most accurate (100% Positive) is from the developers website, Bungie. The names on Gameinformer are accurate because they were relased to them by Bungie. xXSc3n1cXx 17:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]])  

== Where's the details? ==

I don't see any specific details about Halo: Reach anywhere in this article. You'd think Wikipedia (no offense, Wikipedia) would have a bit more insight into what Halo: Reach is about, what the plot is, the exact date it's coming out, etc. All I see are the following:

Vague descriptions of the characters

Passive plot discussion

No specific date of release

I mean, come on! You guys should at least have a bit more insight into what Halo: Reach is going to include! [[User:Spikeclaw|Spikeclaw]] ([[User talk:Spikeclaw|talk]]) 17:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:Err... maybe it's because nobody has ''said anything''? We can't comment on something until a reliable source has actually said a date or the plot or anything. They haven't. They probably won't for at least a few more weeks. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 17:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

And some information is too specific, it states that it is based on a squad of six Spartan-II's when it has not been confirmed that they are II's, in fact some of the references in the video sounds like they are potentially Spartan-IIIs (Pegasi) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Littlefatmonkey|Littlefatmonkey]] ([[User talk:Littlefatmonkey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlefatmonkey|contribs]]) 19:44, 16 December 2009 (UTC) 
:Spartan III's were only on Onyx. There were the UNSC's dirty little secret. They won't be on Reach. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 20:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Yea but before the end of Ghosts of Onyx, most of the third group have left and been deployed, i think that would line up with reach. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Littlefatmonkey|Littlefatmonkey]] ([[User talk:Littlefatmonkey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlefatmonkey|contribs]]) 03:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC) 

:Actually, they left around October. Reach fell in August. Note that they did not say "Pegasi Delta", but "Pegasi" meaning it could be any place in the Pegasus constellation. Lieutenant is much too high for a SPARTAN-III, as there is apparently a reason why IIs are only allowed to be Non-rate crewmen of the Petty Officer ranks. Other than the two Beta Comapny IIIs that survived Pegasi Delta, everyone else was around 12 years old by 2552. Furthermore, they would not be moved into another team, as they were a secret project. Knowlege of the IIIs was restricted to a handful of people. Would you let them be a liability? Someone could reveal that they were taken as 6 year olds, given drugs and sent on suicidal missions because the IIs were dying, which was also a secret. --[[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 10:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
::Also, IIs were the only ones to use MJOLNIR (and those looked like variants of it). IIIs used the godawful-ugly Semi-Powered Infiltration armour. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 04:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, wikipedia isn't a place to make guesses. It's a place to record facts. [[User:Kingbirdy23|Kingbirdy23]] ([[User talk:Kingbirdy23|talk]]) 02:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

The suit make look aweful but the reason they were made was becuase they were cheaper and quicker to make then the Spartan II's armor. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kilgannon2113|contribs]]) 22:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC) 

:It was confirmed on the Bungie website that All of Noble Team except for one were Spartan-III, and that does make sense, because Colonel Ackerson created the Spartan-III program but it didn't say in the book that all of them except the ones that went with Dr. Halsey died. I don't think we should include that though until Bungie puts how they got to Reach up because most of it is just sepculation clouded with the halopedia article.

==Release date==
Which month is Halo: Reach going to be released? I know the article says Fall but which Fall? The September-November one or the March-May one? --[[User:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] ([[User talk:NuparuMahnika|talk]]) 09:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:This is why I always change it to "Autumn"... it's the real name and most english-speaking countries use it.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 12:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::Wait, there are two falls? I've only ever heard it referring to autumn. Is this an American thing or have I just not come across it before? --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 16:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:::So which one is it then? --[[User:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] ([[User talk:NuparuMahnika|talk]]) 05:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I have been told by an employee of the date May. 23. I cannot give the source as it would be a violation of my promise. [[Special:Contributions/99.182.222.37|99.182.222.37]] ([[User talk:99.182.222.37|talk]]) 09:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:Then why bother saying it? Hmm? Wikipedia needs reliable sources. Even if you ''had'' said the source, it would still be a case of hearsay. All you've done is sow the seeds of potential confusion down the line. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 16:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Im confused just looking at the article, any specific dates should not refer to seasons, even if the name for a season is specific to only one country, I understand Fall means Autumn, yet I am not in the USA, and since my Autumn is different to their Autumn, a specific time period should be put in place, either month(s), or quarters.[[Special:Contributions/125.238.25.16|125.238.25.16]] ([[User talk:125.238.25.16|talk]]) 09:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
::Put simply. "Fall" in this case refers to the American season, which is somewhere in september-november. Remember "fall" is "autumn" in many other northern hemisphere countries. [[Special:Contributions/59.101.126.53|59.101.126.53]] ([[User talk:59.101.126.53|talk]]) 09:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The official release date has not been announced by Bungie; but a date of September 14, 2010 has been set by Gameinformer. Or It might have been IGN or Gamepro, but I'm almost positive it was Gameinformer. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]]) 17:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC) 
:A release date has been set although not orally said by Bungie, a link to pre-order the game from the Bungie.net homepage connects to an Amazon.com link which states the release to be on September 1, 2010. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 01:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 
::September 1 is a generic date used for the Fall of any given year. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 02:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually when the September equinox occurs the first day of Fall begins. It occurs around September 22nd. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 13:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 

== Spartan III ==

Not sure if it's a good source so I'll put it here. It seems that Microsoft confirmed that you are a Spartan III. Should we put this in? [http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/21746/Microsoft-Confirms-Spartan-IIIs-in-Halo-Reach/] [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 19:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

:Nah, I've seen a lot of "official" sites change it back to II... looks to me like a typo. If you read Ghosts of Onyx, you'd see the impossibility.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 13:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::Going by the official press release, yes there are Spartan-IIIs. It doesn't matter if we think it's impossible, it's a reliable source that we have no reason to doubt. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 14:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Ok... but I've been hearing a lot that the "Official press release" made a typo. I could look into it, if you want.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::::And as the TeamXbox link above pointed out, Microsoft verified there were no typos. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 15:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::The most recent live action trailer for the game, which is entitled ''Birth of a Spartan'' shows the conversion of one man into a Spartan III and it is proven that he becomes a Spartan III because his uniform says ''Spartan III''. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 14:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 

It's been confirmed. The Spartans in Reach are Spartan IIIs with the exception of Jorge. He is still in Spartan II armor. The idea was that they didn't want people to expect the story of Master Chief so they made the characters Spartan IIIs so that they couldn't possibly be the same story as Master Chief was a Spartan II. The story of the game Halo: Reach happens during the same time as the book but is not the same story line or the same people.[[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 22:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

:We've known that since January >.< Still, another confirmation was ok. "S-III" wasn't on his uniform, it was α259, an S-III company tag. The computer panel read "SPARTAN-III", though. -- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of playable characters, what is this whole play as humans in multiplayer thing? In the multiplayer beta trailer you clearly play multiplayer as Spartan IIIs. This isn't ODST. I am going to edit that out. [[User:Neckername|Neckername]] ([[User talk:Neckername|talk]]) 11:25, 9 April 2010 (EST)

:Spartans are humans, I think that's actually the EVA armour, whose helmet resembles the S-III helmet. The S-III helmet is more "bubble"-like on the visor, while the EVA helmet is more angular.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Natal ==

Should we include this in the development section? http://ie.xbox360.ign.com/articles/105/1059115p1.html [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 23:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:Read it carefully. It's not saying that it will have Natal. It's saying that players who would prefer playing with a controller would still like Natal. It's not saying that Reach will actually ''have'' Natal. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 00:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, my bad. Just mis-read it. [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 12:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Looks like Reach is not going to Natal support. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6249160.html [[User:IronStorm42|IronStorm42]] ([[User talk:IronStorm42|talk]]) 06:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== Game Informer article ==

There is a substansial bit of new info. on Halo Reach in the Feb issue of Game Informer. Why hasn't this been included yet? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 14:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:Perhaps no one has it yet? Do you? Why don't you add the information! =) –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 14:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

All the info I've seen so far is on blocked websites here at work. If no one has added by the time I get home then I will. Avenged 521 —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 14:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 

Here is the screenshots of the GI. If someone can check these out and post the info it would be great, I would but I can't access imageshack here.
[redacted per linkvio] —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 16:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:Thank you for these links but I'm afraid we cannot keep them per [[WP:LINKVIO]]. –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 16:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

So until a "Official" site puts it up we can't use the info. from the mag? I'm sorry but I'm new at the editing/ contributing thing. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 16:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:We can't put up the information until it appears in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]—think IGN, GameSpot and the like rather than RandomXbox360Blog.com or whatnot. Scans of the content is a copyright violation, thus the link was removed. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) so we know whose comments is what. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

:We ''can'' use the info from the mag, but we just can't allow the links to scans of the mag to remain visible. –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 19:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The Game Informer ''IS'' a reputable source. Xeno can you throw it up? [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]]) 19:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:I never said it wasn't, just that info from ''Game Informer'' on other sites should be scrutinized carefully. As it is I recently got a hold of a copy, so I will be adding information if no one else is. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 00:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I added almost every bit of information in that article about a week ago and it was never added. It had information about each character, their role in the team, height, weight, their Service Numbers (e.g. S-239) and other information about the visuals of the game, new weapons and enemies and other things. It was all either deleted or not accepted or whatever. I was rather upset about it. Can anybody shed light on this? And yes Game Informer is a reputable source. It should be scrutinized that roughly. The magazine has been around for a while and the article was based on an interview with the Bungie Team creative director Marcus Lehto. It should be a reputable source if it's directly from someone from Bungie for heaven's sake. [[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 19:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:Perhaps you should learn to read; no one is disputing that ''Game Informer'' is not a reputable source. However irrelevant details like the height and weight of a fictional character is not needed and if it was in the article, was rightly removed. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

@David Fuchs, why do you claim weight and height is irrelevant? I came here for that specific information. Who is to decide what information is relevant to others? Wikipedia isn't about picking and choosing which bits of information is important or not--it's about sharing the information that pertains to the topic at hand. I happen to think every detail of the GI article is relevant to the topic. I mean, we are editing the Halo: Reach article right? And, that was the name of the article that GI just published, right? Who is to say what detail is too small? I mean, I guess we can go create individual pages for each of the characters but something tells me you wouldn't like that either. [[User:CrazedSpartanHadouken|CrazedSpartanHadouken]] ([[User talk:CrazedSpartanHadouken|talk]]) 17:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:And you're completely wrong; we aren't a fan guide, game guide, or publisher of excessive detail. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 17:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Look, CrazedSpartan, Wikipedia can't satisfy everybody. If you want better details and such, than by no means, head over to Halopedia. Wikipedia doesn't go very deep into video games.--[[User:Rollersox|Rollersox]] ([[User talk:Rollersox|talk]]) 18:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from 69.131.223.138, 6 April 2010 ==

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 you forgot the "O" in HALO


[[Special:Contributions/69.131.223.138|69.131.223.138]] ([[User talk:69.131.223.138|talk]]) 20:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks kindly! –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 20:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== Armor Ability Info ==

I edited the gameplay section to include more information on the new armor abilities since they are a big change and should be more than a small sub-section of a single paragraph. However, this information has been taken down entirely. Granted I didn't offer a citation since I am not aware of how to do so, but anyone watching this article would know where to get the citation (bungie.net), and it could have just been given a "citation needed" label, instead of being torn down completely..

If possible, could the information I added be restored? [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 20:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkyJW15|contribs]]) 20:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 

:Hi there. I'm not the user that removed your edits, but they seemed to be just a bit too detailed for Wikipedia. Thanks for editing though!

Well, if someone feels they're too detailed, they're free to edit them to simplify them rather than remove the information and keep a major game change restrained to 1-2 sentences. The whole point of Wikipedia is to have information, perhaps not too detailed of information, but information none the less.[[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 01:57, 8 April 2010
:We are not a specialized gaming encyclopedia, and we are not a game guide. We are not writing for ''Halo'' fans, but for the average bloke who may or not have played the game, let alone ''a'' video game in their lives. So we keep it succint, and simple. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm guessing you disregarded all I said previously. I admit I may have gone too detailed, but something like Armor Abilities which Bungie themselves have said in podcasts have greatly changed their map design and gameplay as a whole should be attended to with more than a line of mention. Something I noticed in the current article is that it says the Elites have a unique roll ability, but it doesn't mention it's an Armor Ability unique to the Elites, so it sounds like it's just something the Elites can do by themselves without Armor Abilities. But by your standards if I went and identified it as such, it would be too much like a, how did you describe it, "game guide".
And don't speak to me in an imputent tone sir. I know very well what the Wikipedia community strives for, but the "normal bloke" who visits the Halo Reach page is probably looking for some details, not a one to two line mention. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 00:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

:What the "normal bloke" would look for would be a summarisation of the overall plot and genre ("A Sci-fi game set on a Human-occupied world in the future, under an attack from an alien force known as the Covenant"), its release date, the console it is on, and *if available* some ratings. If you want to go in-depth, I suggest you try the [[Wikia:Halopedia|Halo Encyclopedia]]. --[[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 01:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

If someone wanted to learn all the things you say they want to learn in an article about a game, then they'd just go to IGN or Gamestop where they could get the same information by searching it on their website. Hell, I could get everything you're talking about out of the booklets they have at Hollywood video for free that give everything you've stated people want to know in a 3 inch space (if that), along with the same information for plenty of other games.
Also, take into consideration that the "normal bloke" who comes through here is most likely a "normal gamer", because no random person is going to be searching "Halo: Reach" as if they've never heard of Halo before, considering that in gaming culture Halo is one of the biggest games of this generation. The way I see it, people who look up a videogame on any site are probably looking for information other than the basic storyline, which they probably already know. What they're most likely looking for are details that either persuade them or enlighten them, and this "article" does neither.
At the rate this "article" is going you might aswell erase all of it and just place a link to the Halo: Reach page on Bungie.net for the time being.
So fine, if Wikipedia is meant to be no better than a booklet that took a dollar and an hour to make, then I'll leave you to do so. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 14:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you. Come back when you learn to spell your five-dollar words correctly. I think you'll find the guidelines and policies won't have changed. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 15:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Very good response, bravo sir, bravo. Your wisdom and intelligence is beyond compare. And your ability to give me such a great counter argument in a civil debate. C'est belle monsieur, c'est belle! [[Special:Contributions/99.53.98.17|99.53.98.17]] ([[User talk:99.53.98.17|talk]]) 22:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

um i see the need to have info on a game so many play, but wouldnt it be just as fun to play the game on the same lvl as everyone else and have the excitement of the halo universe unfold at the release date and not be bord of the game after a week of its release? =) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.95.255.149|74.95.255.149]] ([[User talk:74.95.255.149|talk]]) 18:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC) 

== Forge Mode? ==

Does anyone know if this game will have the Forge Mode of Halo 3? If so please put that info and a citation into the article. [[User:Venomclaw|Venom]]__[[User_talk:Venomclaw|Claw]] 16:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They have not explicitly mentioned Forge. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that there will be since in the recent April Fools Multiplayer Strategy Trailer we see a player control the Forge Monitor.
There were also several other clues such as territory markings and unique tags above players heads such as "King" and "Pawn" to resemble the titles of the characters in the fictional Chess game mode. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 00:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

No offense, but that ''was'' an April Fools Trailer. No, I don't think Reach will have Forge support. As a matter of fact, Bungie hasn't even said ''anything'' about it. I sure would like to see it in though. I'm not biased. I'm neutral on this. xXSc3n1cXx 18:06, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]])  
:They only accidentally mentioned Juggernaut was returning. They're staying close to the chest with lots of info; we just have to wait for sources. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 18:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::Your logic makes no sense XXSc3n1cXx. No game developer would ever release all of the information for the game when it's so far from release. Most likely they've added features to Forge and are keeping them hidden for later when they're not talking about the multiplayer as much. And considering this is the time in the development that they're focusing on the Beta, they're not going to just give off a bunch of info on other modes because that's not the current priority. And also, the joke of the April Fools trailer was the chess mode, so anything not relating to it still hold ground. And why would they go backwards? Pretty much everyone who plays Halo 3 also uses Forge, so for them to go and say "Hey, you guys all loved it so now we're taking it away" would just tick off all the fans. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkyJW15|contribs]]) 20:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC) 
:::UPDATE: GameInformer just announced Forge through their article with their preview of the Halo: Reach beta. Here's the link http://gameinformer.com/games/halo_reach/b/xbox360/archive/2010/04/21/halo-reach-multiplayer-beta-hands-on-preview.aspx [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 16:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

um lol didnt they take out the forge in odst? :O —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.95.255.149|74.95.255.149]] ([[User talk:74.95.255.149|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC) 

yes and no. there was no forge for firefight, but given the nature of that game type it wasn't needed. The multiplayer disc (2nd disc with all multiplayer modes) did have forge, however, this is more of a Halo 3 disc then a ODST disc.[[User:Solarguy17|Solarguy17]] ([[User talk:Solarguy17|talk]]) 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

:I think the April's fools joke wasn't made for nothing, they wouldn't have spent that much time on it and not include some part of it in the game. Also, the bipd tag for the Monitor was found in the reach beta level, and since i don't really see how 343 Guilty Spark could get all the way from Installation 04 to Reach, neither do i see why he would want to, i think it is safe to say that forge is going to be included in the game. [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] [[User talk:Assasin Joe|talk]] 14:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from ChefSwags, 30 April 2010 ==

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Halo: Reach has an official confirmed release date of September 2nd., Please Change

'''GameStop confirms!'''


:GameStop is not a reliable source. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 03:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Gamestop was wrong. May 3 is the beta.[[User:Cosmos0001|Cosmos0001]] ([[User talk:Cosmos0001|talk]]) 04:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Error about the Limited Edition price ==

In the article it says $90 for the Limited Edition but the actual price is $80.

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=77712

:*I've removed the pricing - since it's gonna be released in multiple countries (and even in the same country pricing may differ per store) it's impossible to track the "correct" pricing. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 13:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Terrible wording ==

"Halo: Reach is a shooter game; players experience gameplay from a first-person perspective."

Uhh, are you serious? It's a first-person shooter, not a shooter from a first-person perspective. [[Special:Contributions/67.186.179.229|67.186.179.229]] ([[User talk:67.186.179.229|talk]]) 21:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:It has the same goddamn meaning! Besides, they're ''called'' shooter (or "shoot-'em-up") games. They're just abbreviated FPS because it's quicker to say First-Person shooter.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 21:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

::It does have the same meaning; it's just about 7 words shorter. The current sentence sounds idiotic. Please go read a style manual.[[Special:Contributions/67.186.179.229|67.186.179.229]] ([[User talk:67.186.179.229|talk]]) 00:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Not everyone is a video game player and would know what FPS means. It's an accessibility issue. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 00:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Why not just say that it is a First Person Shooter? First Person means from the point of view of the person being controlled and shooter is selp explanetory - you shoot stuff. If someone does not understand the meaning of the term "First Person" then that means that they're just stupid to be honest;I remember learning about the term first person in Language Arts during third grade.
:: I'm not saying change it to FPS. I'm saying change it to "first person shooter". [[Special:Contributions/98.110.194.25|98.110.194.25]] ([[User talk:98.110.194.25|talk]]) 22:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
While this could have been addressed more diplomatically, the point stands. The verbiage is inconcise and squirelly, and "Halo: Reach is a first-person shooter," with a link to the FPS article, says in 5 words what the other sentence mumbles out in 11.[[Special:Contributions/214.3.138.234|214.3.138.234]] ([[User talk:214.3.138.234|talk]]) 18:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)Steve

Why is it still a shooter game with experience in first person perspective? I mean changing it to First-Person shooter is not that much of a change but it does save many words, that just like someone said before, are being mumbled. [[User:HELLSRIDER|HELLSRIDER]] ([[User talk:HELLSRIDER|talk]]) 01:32, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Sl4y3r999, 8 May 2010 ==

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I would like to change the release date for the product on this page.

My source http://www.bungiestore.com/Halo-Reach/A/B002BSA20M.htm has a release date for this product.

I believe this source is accurate as the store it is on is by the same developer as the product shown on this page.


[[User:Sl4y3r999|Sl4y3r999]] ([[User talk:Sl4y3r999|talk]]) 15:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:The September 1 release date is not echoed or reported at any other reliable/official source that I can see; it remains undetermined on xbox.com and IGN, for example. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Actually there seem to be a fair bit of sources that claim the same thing ([http://www.vgreleases.com/xbox360/releasedate-336646.aspx], [http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/05/06/halo-reach-official-release-date-could-be-september/]), although no official statement from Microsoft. Most sources seem to agree on a release date for of September 1 for US ([http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002BSA20M], [http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=77712]) and September 24 for EU ([http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=239124]). Even Amazon has put 1 September as the release date. Anyone against me adding this to the article or have some sources that disagree with this? - [[w:User:EdoDodo|EdoDodo]] [[w:User talk:EdoDodo|talk]] 13:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
September 1 is a generic date used for the Fall of any given year. Vendors will often tell you that if you ask. It's a date that they can put down to grab pre-orders. Until Bungie or Microsoft release the street date don't believe any other dates. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 02:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Information regarding Arena ==

New information regarding the Arena mode has been released by Bungie. There should be a new section in the article that involves the Arena mode and the formula used to rate a player on his/her gameplay. [[User:Str8Rippiniz2Legit|Str8Rippiniz2Legit]] ([[User talk:Str8Rippiniz2Legit|talk]]) 02:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:That would fall afoul of [[WP:GAMEGUIDE]]. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 02:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Jesseunger, 16 May 2010 ==

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In the Release section of the Halo: Reach article, the convert function (convert|10|lb|kg) reads out as "a 10 pounds (4.5 kg) statue". I suggest removing the convert and replacing it with just "a 10 pound (4.5 kg) statue".
-Thanks


[[User:Jesseunger|Jesseunger]] ([[User talk:Jesseunger|talk]]) 19:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

:Fixed with an additional parem. to the template. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Additional material ==

The Sydney Morning Herald Digital Life section wrote an article [http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/millions-reach-for-halo-20100525-w8jy.html here] on the game if anyone is looking for additional material. [[User:Salavat|Salavat]] ([[User talk:Salavat|talk]]) 07:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks. If someone else doesn't add it, I will. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== Single-player customization info ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqw6QvSzXQ Link] -- is an video interview (around 5:30) where the dev states that any armor customization attained in single-player would be visible when the player is viewed in cutscenes. A small thing, but I thought it particularly of note. It's from an IGN Insider video, so there's no actual link to the parent video, just the YouTube copy - that's why I didn't cite it in the article. If someone can find a public version it might be useful to add. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 14:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
:I've heard that too, it's just a matter of finding a decent source. I'll take a look. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

IT says its set in the year 2552? ,this can't be posable as that's the year odst is set in! an as odst is set during the halo 2 time-line, and reach is set be four halo 1 it just cant be right! —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.7.68.185|94.7.68.185]] ([[User talk:94.7.68.185|talk]]) 04:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 

== Possible vandalism ==

Third shooter game? First person (linking to third person (videogames))? Cancerites (linking to cancer (Halo 3))? Just, what? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dalek9|Dalek9]] ([[User talk:Dalek9|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dalek9|contribs]]) 08:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 
:Nice catch, that is one of the reasons this page was protected from IP's [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] [[User talk:Assasin Joe|talk]] 14:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Gareth Lorn, 5 July 2010 ==

The character section of this page is really lacking. There are dossiers on the Bungie website with detailed descriptions of each member of Noble Team, but this page only lists their names. For half of the squad, it doesn't even bother with an adjective. It also supposedly lists Carter as "no-nonsense". Is there a source for that? I don't remember him ever being referred to as "no-nonsense". Lastly, it says the marksman's name is "halo-266". Said marksman is not, in fact, named "halo". His name is Jun.

The gameplay part of the page is also needs an overhaul. There's no mention of the various info dumps Bungie released at E3 a couple weeks ago, such as Firefight 2.0 and the inclusion of space battles in campaign. Why? Both of those are pretty important.

If someone wants to give me access to the Reach page, I'd be happy fixing it. If not, someone should probably get on it. Just saying.

[[User:Gareth Lorn|Gareth Lorn]] ([[User talk:Gareth Lorn|talk]]) 15:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Technology? ==

Halo Wars takes place approximately 20 years before Halo Reach, but yet I've seen Cutscenes of Marines wielding the Battle Riffle.But during the time of this game that technology wasn't out and they were using the Designated Marksman Rifle? Please Explain. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rickman1945|Rickman1945]] ([[User talk:Rickman1945|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rickman1945|contribs]]) 02:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC) 

:The BR55 was in production in 2524, being used by Johnson and his militia on Harvest. It was an experimental prototype weapon for the majority of the war and so did not enter mass-production until near the end. The ''M392 Designated Marksman Rifle'' is an Army-issue Battle Rifle that is either the former service-issue Battle Rifle or simply a BR55 modified for the Army instead of the Marine Corps (they like to name them differently, like how the MA37 is an MA5-series Assault Rifle to the Marines) - depending on whether or not the BR55 was service-issue by the Fall of Reach.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 08:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::...And aside from that, it's not a real universe, and thus [[retcon]]s happen. It's not really germane to the focus of this article. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Further forge info, from ?reliable? source? ==

Comic-con panel, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-OceiL7uE YouTube footage] --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 14:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:I've commented in an IGN ref, which is supremely better than using Youtube or other such video documentation for our purposes. I suggest those looking to expand the coverage use that. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 23:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Forge World ==

Section Gameplay, paragraph 3. Forge World is referred to as "ForgeWorld" while the citation says its called Forge World and even on recent Bungie Weekly Update (and ViDoc) it's been called Forge World [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_072310 Bungie.net: Bungie Weekly Update: 07.23.10].

Also I think this is the "citation needed" for the first paragraph of Multiplayer (spending credits on customization) [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_032610 Bungie.net: Bungie Weekly Update 03.26.10]. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 17:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed. I'll take a look at the citation needed later. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 18:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Trivial info ==

'''Development > Multiplayer beta'''. ''"Since the beta ended on May 20, this means that the duration between the end of the beta and the full game coming out will be 117 days, a reference to [[John-117]]."'' that looks like trivial and useless info for me. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 03:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

:Also, on announcements there's a link to the achievements revealed in a Bungie Weekly Update. There's already a link for the Wikia page before the navbox templates and that sentence is also useless. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 03:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Photos ==

The photos on the page are really boring. Can someone spice it up and show off the engine? http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/images.aspx?c=59 These are great HD pictures —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tunavi|Tunavi]] ([[User talk:Tunavi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tunavi|contribs]]) 16:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC) 

== Leak ==

Halo: Reach was leaked to some extent earlier this week. I would be happy if members of Wikipedia tried to stop heavy spoilers from being added before the release date.

While this "no spoilers" idea didn't go well with the last Harry Potter novel (the entire plot being on Wikipedia before 12:00 GMT on the day of release), I would like to point out that people randomly adding in spoilers may not be telling the truth (for example: lying to see readers' reactions) and are unlikely to have sources.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 18:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

oh yeah ? who is lying now ? http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7427/img0059qu.jpg . full list of halo reach campaign. so... :) [[User:Moppf|Moppf]] ([[User talk:Moppf|talk]]) 17:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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==Intro statement==
Saying "Players control Noble 6, a member of an elite supersoldier squad, during a battle for the human world of Reach." can be a bit misleading, I thought it meant they were actually Elites when I first read it. I don't know if it warrants rephrasing though. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:BelalHaniffa|BelalHaniffa]] ([[User talk:BelalHaniffa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BelalHaniffa|contribs]]) 09:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC) 

==Vandalism==
"The download will require a 7,000+ GB hard drive."
Can someone please remove this?

==Names==
Uh, where are people getting these names from for the Noble Group Spartans? From the news all over the web. The only one I remember hearing is Jorge, and the "Lone Wolf". [[Special:Contributions/24.138.12.222|24.138.12.222]] ([[User talk:24.138.12.222|talk]]) 20:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:I think they're from a press release that must have accompanied the announcement but no-one's found a citation yet. Check Halopedia (link's at the bottom of the article page). They might have a source. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 21:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
::I can't provide a source, but I think one is referred to as Jorge and the others have their names on their armour.[[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The names I edited this page with are from the 202 issue of Game Informer Magazine. Feel free to go to their website to for more updates[[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 22:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

The official and most accurate (100% Positive) is from the developers website, Bungie. The names on Gameinformer are accurate because they were relased to them by Bungie. xXSc3n1cXx 17:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]])  

== Where's the details? ==

I don't see any specific details about Halo: Reach anywhere in this article. You'd think Wikipedia (no offense, Wikipedia) would have a bit more insight into what Halo: Reach is about, what the plot is, the exact date it's coming out, etc. All I see are the following:

Vague descriptions of the characters

Passive plot discussion

No specific date of release

I mean, come on! You guys should at least have a bit more insight into what Halo: Reach is going to include! [[User:Spikeclaw|Spikeclaw]] ([[User talk:Spikeclaw|talk]]) 17:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:Err... maybe it's because nobody has ''said anything''? We can't comment on something until a reliable source has actually said a date or the plot or anything. They haven't. They probably won't for at least a few more weeks. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 17:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

And some information is too specific, it states that it is based on a squad of six Spartan-II's when it has not been confirmed that they are II's, in fact some of the references in the video sounds like they are potentially Spartan-IIIs (Pegasi) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Littlefatmonkey|Littlefatmonkey]] ([[User talk:Littlefatmonkey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlefatmonkey|contribs]]) 19:44, 16 December 2009 (UTC) 
:Spartan III's were only on Onyx. There were the UNSC's dirty little secret. They won't be on Reach. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 20:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Yea but before the end of Ghosts of Onyx, most of the third group have left and been deployed, i think that would line up with reach. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Littlefatmonkey|Littlefatmonkey]] ([[User talk:Littlefatmonkey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlefatmonkey|contribs]]) 03:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC) 

:Actually, they left around October. Reach fell in August. Note that they did not say "Pegasi Delta", but "Pegasi" meaning it could be any place in the Pegasus constellation. Lieutenant is much too high for a SPARTAN-III, as there is apparently a reason why IIs are only allowed to be Non-rate crewmen of the Petty Officer ranks. Other than the two Beta Comapny IIIs that survived Pegasi Delta, everyone else was around 12 years old by 2552. Furthermore, they would not be moved into another team, as they were a secret project. Knowlege of the IIIs was restricted to a handful of people. Would you let them be a liability? Someone could reveal that they were taken as 6 year olds, given drugs and sent on suicidal missions because the IIs were dying, which was also a secret. --[[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 10:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
::Also, IIs were the only ones to use MJOLNIR (and those looked like variants of it). IIIs used the godawful-ugly Semi-Powered Infiltration armour. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 04:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, wikipedia isn't a place to make guesses. It's a place to record facts. [[User:Kingbirdy23|Kingbirdy23]] ([[User talk:Kingbirdy23|talk]]) 02:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

The suit make look aweful but the reason they were made was becuase they were cheaper and quicker to make then the Spartan II's armor. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kilgannon2113|contribs]]) 22:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC) 

:It was confirmed on the Bungie website that All of Noble Team except for one were Spartan-III, and that does make sense, because Colonel Ackerson created the Spartan-III program but it didn't say in the book that all of them except the ones that went with Dr. Halsey died. I don't think we should include that though until Bungie puts how they got to Reach up because most of it is just sepculation clouded with the halopedia article.

==Release date==
Which month is Halo: Reach going to be released? I know the article says Fall but which Fall? The September-November one or the March-May one? --[[User:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] ([[User talk:NuparuMahnika|talk]]) 09:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:This is why I always change it to "Autumn"... it's the real name and most english-speaking countries use it.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 12:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::Wait, there are two falls? I've only ever heard it referring to autumn. Is this an American thing or have I just not come across it before? --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 16:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:::So which one is it then? --[[User:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] ([[User talk:NuparuMahnika|talk]]) 05:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I have been told by an employee of the date May. 23. I cannot give the source as it would be a violation of my promise. [[Special:Contributions/99.182.222.37|99.182.222.37]] ([[User talk:99.182.222.37|talk]]) 09:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:Then why bother saying it? Hmm? Wikipedia needs reliable sources. Even if you ''had'' said the source, it would still be a case of hearsay. All you've done is sow the seeds of potential confusion down the line. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 16:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Im confused just looking at the article, any specific dates should not refer to seasons, even if the name for a season is specific to only one country, I understand Fall means Autumn, yet I am not in the USA, and since my Autumn is different to their Autumn, a specific time period should be put in place, either month(s), or quarters.[[Special:Contributions/125.238.25.16|125.238.25.16]] ([[User talk:125.238.25.16|talk]]) 09:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
::Put simply. "Fall" in this case refers to the American season, which is somewhere in september-november. Remember "fall" is "autumn" in many other northern hemisphere countries. [[Special:Contributions/59.101.126.53|59.101.126.53]] ([[User talk:59.101.126.53|talk]]) 09:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The official release date has not been announced by Bungie; but a date of September 14, 2010 has been set by Gameinformer. Or It might have been IGN or Gamepro, but I'm almost positive it was Gameinformer. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]]) 17:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC) 
:A release date has been set although not orally said by Bungie, a link to pre-order the game from the Bungie.net homepage connects to an Amazon.com link which states the release to be on September 1, 2010. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 01:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 
::September 1 is a generic date used for the Fall of any given year. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 02:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually when the September equinox occurs the first day of Fall begins. It occurs around September 22nd. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 13:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 

== Spartan III ==

Not sure if it's a good source so I'll put it here. It seems that Microsoft confirmed that you are a Spartan III. Should we put this in? [http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/21746/Microsoft-Confirms-Spartan-IIIs-in-Halo-Reach/] [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 19:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

:Nah, I've seen a lot of "official" sites change it back to II... looks to me like a typo. If you read Ghosts of Onyx, you'd see the impossibility.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 13:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::Going by the official press release, yes there are Spartan-IIIs. It doesn't matter if we think it's impossible, it's a reliable source that we have no reason to doubt. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 14:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Ok... but I've been hearing a lot that the "Official press release" made a typo. I could look into it, if you want.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::::And as the TeamXbox link above pointed out, Microsoft verified there were no typos. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 15:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::The most recent live action trailer for the game, which is entitled ''Birth of a Spartan'' shows the conversion of one man into a Spartan III and it is proven that he becomes a Spartan III because his uniform says ''Spartan III''. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 14:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 

It's been confirmed. The Spartans in Reach are Spartan IIIs with the exception of Jorge. He is still in Spartan II armor. The idea was that they didn't want people to expect the story of Master Chief so they made the characters Spartan IIIs so that they couldn't possibly be the same story as Master Chief was a Spartan II. The story of the game Halo: Reach happens during the same time as the book but is not the same story line or the same people.[[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 22:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

:We've known that since January >.< Still, another confirmation was ok. "S-III" wasn't on his uniform, it was α259, an S-III company tag. The computer panel read "SPARTAN-III", though. -- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of playable characters, what is this whole play as humans in multiplayer thing? In the multiplayer beta trailer you clearly play multiplayer as Spartan IIIs. This isn't ODST. I am going to edit that out. [[User:Neckername|Neckername]] ([[User talk:Neckername|talk]]) 11:25, 9 April 2010 (EST)

:Spartans are humans, I think that's actually the EVA armour, whose helmet resembles the S-III helmet. The S-III helmet is more "bubble"-like on the visor, while the EVA helmet is more angular.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Natal ==

Should we include this in the development section? http://ie.xbox360.ign.com/articles/105/1059115p1.html [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 23:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:Read it carefully. It's not saying that it will have Natal. It's saying that players who would prefer playing with a controller would still like Natal. It's not saying that Reach will actually ''have'' Natal. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 00:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, my bad. Just mis-read it. [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 12:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Looks like Reach is not going to Natal support. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6249160.html [[User:IronStorm42|IronStorm42]] ([[User talk:IronStorm42|talk]]) 06:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== Game Informer article ==

There is a substansial bit of new info. on Halo Reach in the Feb issue of Game Informer. Why hasn't this been included yet? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 14:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:Perhaps no one has it yet? Do you? Why don't you add the information! =) –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 14:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

All the info I've seen so far is on blocked websites here at work. If no one has added by the time I get home then I will. Avenged 521 —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 14:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 

Here is the screenshots of the GI. If someone can check these out and post the info it would be great, I would but I can't access imageshack here.
[redacted per linkvio] —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 16:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:Thank you for these links but I'm afraid we cannot keep them per [[WP:LINKVIO]]. –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 16:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

So until a "Official" site puts it up we can't use the info. from the mag? I'm sorry but I'm new at the editing/ contributing thing. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 16:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:We can't put up the information until it appears in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]—think IGN, GameSpot and the like rather than RandomXbox360Blog.com or whatnot. Scans of the content is a copyright violation, thus the link was removed. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) so we know whose comments is what. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

:We ''can'' use the info from the mag, but we just can't allow the links to scans of the mag to remain visible. –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 19:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The Game Informer ''IS'' a reputable source. Xeno can you throw it up? [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]]) 19:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:I never said it wasn't, just that info from ''Game Informer'' on other sites should be scrutinized carefully. As it is I recently got a hold of a copy, so I will be adding information if no one else is. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 00:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I added almost every bit of information in that article about a week ago and it was never added. It had information about each character, their role in the team, height, weight, their Service Numbers (e.g. S-239) and other information about the visuals of the game, new weapons and enemies and other things. It was all either deleted or not accepted or whatever. I was rather upset about it. Can anybody shed light on this? And yes Game Informer is a reputable source. It should be scrutinized that roughly. The magazine has been around for a while and the article was based on an interview with the Bungie Team creative director Marcus Lehto. It should be a reputable source if it's directly from someone from Bungie for heaven's sake. [[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 19:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:Perhaps you should learn to read; no one is disputing that ''Game Informer'' is not a reputable source. However irrelevant details like the height and weight of a fictional character is not needed and if it was in the article, was rightly removed. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

@David Fuchs, why do you claim weight and height is irrelevant? I came here for that specific information. Who is to decide what information is relevant to others? Wikipedia isn't about picking and choosing which bits of information is important or not--it's about sharing the information that pertains to the topic at hand. I happen to think every detail of the GI article is relevant to the topic. I mean, we are editing the Halo: Reach article right? And, that was the name of the article that GI just published, right? Who is to say what detail is too small? I mean, I guess we can go create individual pages for each of the characters but something tells me you wouldn't like that either. [[User:CrazedSpartanHadouken|CrazedSpartanHadouken]] ([[User talk:CrazedSpartanHadouken|talk]]) 17:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:And you're completely wrong; we aren't a fan guide, game guide, or publisher of excessive detail. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 17:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Look, CrazedSpartan, Wikipedia can't satisfy everybody. If you want better details and such, than by no means, head over to Halopedia. Wikipedia doesn't go very deep into video games.--[[User:Rollersox|Rollersox]] ([[User talk:Rollersox|talk]]) 18:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from 69.131.223.138, 6 April 2010 ==

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 you forgot the "O" in HALO


[[Special:Contributions/69.131.223.138|69.131.223.138]] ([[User talk:69.131.223.138|talk]]) 20:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks kindly! –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 20:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== Armor Ability Info ==

I edited the gameplay section to include more information on the new armor abilities since they are a big change and should be more than a small sub-section of a single paragraph. However, this information has been taken down entirely. Granted I didn't offer a citation since I am not aware of how to do so, but anyone watching this article would know where to get the citation (bungie.net), and it could have just been given a "citation needed" label, instead of being torn down completely..

If possible, could the information I added be restored? [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 20:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkyJW15|contribs]]) 20:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 

:Hi there. I'm not the user that removed your edits, but they seemed to be just a bit too detailed for Wikipedia. Thanks for editing though!

Well, if someone feels they're too detailed, they're free to edit them to simplify them rather than remove the information and keep a major game change restrained to 1-2 sentences. The whole point of Wikipedia is to have information, perhaps not too detailed of information, but information none the less.[[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 01:57, 8 April 2010
:We are not a specialized gaming encyclopedia, and we are not a game guide. We are not writing for ''Halo'' fans, but for the average bloke who may or not have played the game, let alone ''a'' video game in their lives. So we keep it succint, and simple. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm guessing you disregarded all I said previously. I admit I may have gone too detailed, but something like Armor Abilities which Bungie themselves have said in podcasts have greatly changed their map design and gameplay as a whole should be attended to with more than a line of mention. Something I noticed in the current article is that it says the Elites have a unique roll ability, but it doesn't mention it's an Armor Ability unique to the Elites, so it sounds like it's just something the Elites can do by themselves without Armor Abilities. But by your standards if I went and identified it as such, it would be too much like a, how did you describe it, "game guide".
And don't speak to me in an imputent tone sir. I know very well what the Wikipedia community strives for, but the "normal bloke" who visits the Halo Reach page is probably looking for some details, not a one to two line mention. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 00:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

:What the "normal bloke" would look for would be a summarisation of the overall plot and genre ("A Sci-fi game set on a Human-occupied world in the future, under an attack from an alien force known as the Covenant"), its release date, the console it is on, and *if available* some ratings. If you want to go in-depth, I suggest you try the [[Wikia:Halopedia|Halo Encyclopedia]]. --[[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 01:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

If someone wanted to learn all the things you say they want to learn in an article about a game, then they'd just go to IGN or Gamestop where they could get the same information by searching it on their website. Hell, I could get everything you're talking about out of the booklets they have at Hollywood video for free that give everything you've stated people want to know in a 3 inch space (if that), along with the same information for plenty of other games.
Also, take into consideration that the "normal bloke" who comes through here is most likely a "normal gamer", because no random person is going to be searching "Halo: Reach" as if they've never heard of Halo before, considering that in gaming culture Halo is one of the biggest games of this generation. The way I see it, people who look up a videogame on any site are probably looking for information other than the basic storyline, which they probably already know. What they're most likely looking for are details that either persuade them or enlighten them, and this "article" does neither.
At the rate this "article" is going you might aswell erase all of it and just place a link to the Halo: Reach page on Bungie.net for the time being.
So fine, if Wikipedia is meant to be no better than a booklet that took a dollar and an hour to make, then I'll leave you to do so. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 14:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you. Come back when you learn to spell your five-dollar words correctly. I think you'll find the guidelines and policies won't have changed. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 15:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Very good response, bravo sir, bravo. Your wisdom and intelligence is beyond compare. And your ability to give me such a great counter argument in a civil debate. C'est belle monsieur, c'est belle! [[Special:Contributions/99.53.98.17|99.53.98.17]] ([[User talk:99.53.98.17|talk]]) 22:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

um i see the need to have info on a game so many play, but wouldnt it be just as fun to play the game on the same lvl as everyone else and have the excitement of the halo universe unfold at the release date and not be bord of the game after a week of its release? =) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.95.255.149|74.95.255.149]] ([[User talk:74.95.255.149|talk]]) 18:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC) 

== Forge Mode? ==

Does anyone know if this game will have the Forge Mode of Halo 3? If so please put that info and a citation into the article. [[User:Venomclaw|Venom]]__[[User_talk:Venomclaw|Claw]] 16:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They have not explicitly mentioned Forge. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that there will be since in the recent April Fools Multiplayer Strategy Trailer we see a player control the Forge Monitor.
There were also several other clues such as territory markings and unique tags above players heads such as "King" and "Pawn" to resemble the titles of the characters in the fictional Chess game mode. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 00:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

No offense, but that ''was'' an April Fools Trailer. No, I don't think Reach will have Forge support. As a matter of fact, Bungie hasn't even said ''anything'' about it. I sure would like to see it in though. I'm not biased. I'm neutral on this. xXSc3n1cXx 18:06, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]])  
:They only accidentally mentioned Juggernaut was returning. They're staying close to the chest with lots of info; we just have to wait for sources. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 18:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::Your logic makes no sense XXSc3n1cXx. No game developer would ever release all of the information for the game when it's so far from release. Most likely they've added features to Forge and are keeping them hidden for later when they're not talking about the multiplayer as much. And considering this is the time in the development that they're focusing on the Beta, they're not going to just give off a bunch of info on other modes because that's not the current priority. And also, the joke of the April Fools trailer was the chess mode, so anything not relating to it still hold ground. And why would they go backwards? Pretty much everyone who plays Halo 3 also uses Forge, so for them to go and say "Hey, you guys all loved it so now we're taking it away" would just tick off all the fans. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkyJW15|contribs]]) 20:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC) 
:::UPDATE: GameInformer just announced Forge through their article with their preview of the Halo: Reach beta. Here's the link http://gameinformer.com/games/halo_reach/b/xbox360/archive/2010/04/21/halo-reach-multiplayer-beta-hands-on-preview.aspx [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 16:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

um lol didnt they take out the forge in odst? :O —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.95.255.149|74.95.255.149]] ([[User talk:74.95.255.149|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC) 

yes and no. there was no forge for firefight, but given the nature of that game type it wasn't needed. The multiplayer disc (2nd disc with all multiplayer modes) did have forge, however, this is more of a Halo 3 disc then a ODST disc.[[User:Solarguy17|Solarguy17]] ([[User talk:Solarguy17|talk]]) 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

:I think the April's fools joke wasn't made for nothing, they wouldn't have spent that much time on it and not include some part of it in the game. Also, the bipd tag for the Monitor was found in the reach beta level, and since i don't really see how 343 Guilty Spark could get all the way from Installation 04 to Reach, neither do i see why he would want to, i think it is safe to say that forge is going to be included in the game. [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] [[User talk:Assasin Joe|talk]] 14:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from ChefSwags, 30 April 2010 ==

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Halo: Reach has an official confirmed release date of September 2nd., Please Change

'''GameStop confirms!'''


:GameStop is not a reliable source. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 03:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Gamestop was wrong. May 3 is the beta.[[User:Cosmos0001|Cosmos0001]] ([[User talk:Cosmos0001|talk]]) 04:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Error about the Limited Edition price ==

In the article it says $90 for the Limited Edition but the actual price is $80.

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=77712

:*I've removed the pricing - since it's gonna be released in multiple countries (and even in the same country pricing may differ per store) it's impossible to track the "correct" pricing. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 13:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Terrible wording ==

"Halo: Reach is a shooter game; players experience gameplay from a first-person perspective."

Uhh, are you serious? It's a first-person shooter, not a shooter from a first-person perspective. [[Special:Contributions/67.186.179.229|67.186.179.229]] ([[User talk:67.186.179.229|talk]]) 21:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:It has the same goddamn meaning! Besides, they're ''called'' shooter (or "shoot-'em-up") games. They're just abbreviated FPS because it's quicker to say First-Person shooter.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 21:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

::It does have the same meaning; it's just about 7 words shorter. The current sentence sounds idiotic. Please go read a style manual.[[Special:Contributions/67.186.179.229|67.186.179.229]] ([[User talk:67.186.179.229|talk]]) 00:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Not everyone is a video game player and would know what FPS means. It's an accessibility issue. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 00:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Why not just say that it is a First Person Shooter? First Person means from the point of view of the person being controlled and shooter is selp explanetory - you shoot stuff. If someone does not understand the meaning of the term "First Person" then that means that they're just stupid to be honest;I remember learning about the term first person in Language Arts during third grade.
:: I'm not saying change it to FPS. I'm saying change it to "first person shooter". [[Special:Contributions/98.110.194.25|98.110.194.25]] ([[User talk:98.110.194.25|talk]]) 22:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
While this could have been addressed more diplomatically, the point stands. The verbiage is inconcise and squirelly, and "Halo: Reach is a first-person shooter," with a link to the FPS article, says in 5 words what the other sentence mumbles out in 11.[[Special:Contributions/214.3.138.234|214.3.138.234]] ([[User talk:214.3.138.234|talk]]) 18:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)Steve

Why is it still a shooter game with experience in first person perspective? I mean changing it to First-Person shooter is not that much of a change but it does save many words, that just like someone said before, are being mumbled. [[User:HELLSRIDER|HELLSRIDER]] ([[User talk:HELLSRIDER|talk]]) 01:32, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Sl4y3r999, 8 May 2010 ==

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I would like to change the release date for the product on this page.

My source http://www.bungiestore.com/Halo-Reach/A/B002BSA20M.htm has a release date for this product.

I believe this source is accurate as the store it is on is by the same developer as the product shown on this page.


[[User:Sl4y3r999|Sl4y3r999]] ([[User talk:Sl4y3r999|talk]]) 15:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:The September 1 release date is not echoed or reported at any other reliable/official source that I can see; it remains undetermined on xbox.com and IGN, for example. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Actually there seem to be a fair bit of sources that claim the same thing ([http://www.vgreleases.com/xbox360/releasedate-336646.aspx], [http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/05/06/halo-reach-official-release-date-could-be-september/]), although no official statement from Microsoft. Most sources seem to agree on a release date for of September 1 for US ([http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002BSA20M], [http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=77712]) and September 24 for EU ([http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=239124]). Even Amazon has put 1 September as the release date. Anyone against me adding this to the article or have some sources that disagree with this? - [[w:User:EdoDodo|EdoDodo]] [[w:User talk:EdoDodo|talk]] 13:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
September 1 is a generic date used for the Fall of any given year. Vendors will often tell you that if you ask. It's a date that they can put down to grab pre-orders. Until Bungie or Microsoft release the street date don't believe any other dates. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 02:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Information regarding Arena ==

New information regarding the Arena mode has been released by Bungie. There should be a new section in the article that involves the Arena mode and the formula used to rate a player on his/her gameplay. [[User:Str8Rippiniz2Legit|Str8Rippiniz2Legit]] ([[User talk:Str8Rippiniz2Legit|talk]]) 02:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:That would fall afoul of [[WP:GAMEGUIDE]]. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 02:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Jesseunger, 16 May 2010 ==

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In the Release section of the Halo: Reach article, the convert function (convert|10|lb|kg) reads out as "a 10 pounds (4.5 kg) statue". I suggest removing the convert and replacing it with just "a 10 pound (4.5 kg) statue".
-Thanks


[[User:Jesseunger|Jesseunger]] ([[User talk:Jesseunger|talk]]) 19:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

:Fixed with an additional parem. to the template. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Additional material ==

The Sydney Morning Herald Digital Life section wrote an article [http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/millions-reach-for-halo-20100525-w8jy.html here] on the game if anyone is looking for additional material. [[User:Salavat|Salavat]] ([[User talk:Salavat|talk]]) 07:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks. If someone else doesn't add it, I will. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== Single-player customization info ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqw6QvSzXQ Link] -- is an video interview (around 5:30) where the dev states that any armor customization attained in single-player would be visible when the player is viewed in cutscenes. A small thing, but I thought it particularly of note. It's from an IGN Insider video, so there's no actual link to the parent video, just the YouTube copy - that's why I didn't cite it in the article. If someone can find a public version it might be useful to add. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 14:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
:I've heard that too, it's just a matter of finding a decent source. I'll take a look. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

IT says its set in the year 2552? ,this can't be posable as that's the year odst is set in! an as odst is set during the halo 2 time-line, and reach is set be four halo 1 it just cant be right! —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.7.68.185|94.7.68.185]] ([[User talk:94.7.68.185|talk]]) 04:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 

== Possible vandalism ==

Third shooter game? First person (linking to third person (videogames))? Cancerites (linking to cancer (Halo 3))? Just, what? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dalek9|Dalek9]] ([[User talk:Dalek9|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dalek9|contribs]]) 08:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 
:Nice catch, that is one of the reasons this page was protected from IP's [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] [[User talk:Assasin Joe|talk]] 14:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Gareth Lorn, 5 July 2010 ==

The character section of this page is really lacking. There are dossiers on the Bungie website with detailed descriptions of each member of Noble Team, but this page only lists their names. For half of the squad, it doesn't even bother with an adjective. It also supposedly lists Carter as "no-nonsense". Is there a source for that? I don't remember him ever being referred to as "no-nonsense". Lastly, it says the marksman's name is "halo-266". Said marksman is not, in fact, named "halo". His name is Jun.

The gameplay part of the page is also needs an overhaul. There's no mention of the various info dumps Bungie released at E3 a couple weeks ago, such as Firefight 2.0 and the inclusion of space battles in campaign. Why? Both of those are pretty important.

If someone wants to give me access to the Reach page, I'd be happy fixing it. If not, someone should probably get on it. Just saying.

[[User:Gareth Lorn|Gareth Lorn]] ([[User talk:Gareth Lorn|talk]]) 15:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Technology? ==

Halo Wars takes place approximately 20 years before Halo Reach, but yet I've seen Cutscenes of Marines wielding the Battle Riffle.But during the time of this game that technology wasn't out and they were using the Designated Marksman Rifle? Please Explain. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rickman1945|Rickman1945]] ([[User talk:Rickman1945|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rickman1945|contribs]]) 02:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC) 

:The BR55 was in production in 2524, being used by Johnson and his militia on Harvest. It was an experimental prototype weapon for the majority of the war and so did not enter mass-production until near the end. The ''M392 Designated Marksman Rifle'' is an Army-issue Battle Rifle that is either the former service-issue Battle Rifle or simply a BR55 modified for the Army instead of the Marine Corps (they like to name them differently, like how the MA37 is an MA5-series Assault Rifle to the Marines) - depending on whether or not the BR55 was service-issue by the Fall of Reach.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 08:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::...And aside from that, it's not a real universe, and thus [[retcon]]s happen. It's not really germane to the focus of this article. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Further forge info, from ?reliable? source? ==

Comic-con panel, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-OceiL7uE YouTube footage] --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 14:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:I've commented in an IGN ref, which is supremely better than using Youtube or other such video documentation for our purposes. I suggest those looking to expand the coverage use that. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 23:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Forge World ==

Section Gameplay, paragraph 3. Forge World is referred to as "ForgeWorld" while the citation says its called Forge World and even on recent Bungie Weekly Update (and ViDoc) it's been called Forge World [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_072310 Bungie.net: Bungie Weekly Update: 07.23.10].

Also I think this is the "citation needed" for the first paragraph of Multiplayer (spending credits on customization) [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_032610 Bungie.net: Bungie Weekly Update 03.26.10]. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 17:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed. I'll take a look at the citation needed later. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 18:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Trivial info ==

'''Development > Multiplayer beta'''. ''"Since the beta ended on May 20, this means that the duration between the end of the beta and the full game coming out will be 117 days, a reference to [[John-117]]."'' that looks like trivial and useless info for me. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 03:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

:Also, on announcements there's a link to the achievements revealed in a Bungie Weekly Update. There's already a link for the Wikia page before the navbox templates and that sentence is also useless. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 03:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Photos ==

The photos on the page are really boring. Can someone spice it up and show off the engine? http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/images.aspx?c=59 These are great HD pictures —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tunavi|Tunavi]] ([[User talk:Tunavi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tunavi|contribs]]) 16:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC) 

== Leak ==

Halo: Reach was leaked to some extent earlier this week. I would be happy if members of Wikipedia tried to stop heavy spoilers from being added before the release date.

While this "no spoilers" idea didn't go well with the last Harry Potter novel (the entire plot being on Wikipedia before 12:00 GMT on the day of release), I would like to point out that people randomly adding in spoilers may not be telling the truth (for example: lying to see readers' reactions) and are unlikely to have sources.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 18:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

SPOILER AHEAD: THE END:

lol, completed it 14 days before actual release. At the last level you are clearing the area for the automn of pillar. after it arrives you give them cortana and while they invite you to join them you prefer to stay and help them go in orbit. After the credits it asks you to survive. After you die, you get to listen how you saved humanity. That's it. Oh yeah and the whole god damned noble team dies.[[User:Moppf|Moppf]] ([[User talk:Moppf|talk]]) 14:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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==Intro statement==
Saying "Players control Noble 6, a member of an elite supersoldier squad, during a battle for the human world of Reach." can be a bit misleading, I thought it meant they were actually Elites when I first read it. I don't know if it warrants rephrasing though. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:BelalHaniffa|BelalHaniffa]] ([[User talk:BelalHaniffa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BelalHaniffa|contribs]]) 09:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC) 

==Vandalism==
"The download will require a 7,000+ GB hard drive."
Can someone please remove this?

==Names==
Uh, where are people getting these names from for the Noble Group Spartans? From the news all over the web. The only one I remember hearing is Jorge, and the "Lone Wolf". [[Special:Contributions/24.138.12.222|24.138.12.222]] ([[User talk:24.138.12.222|talk]]) 20:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:I think they're from a press release that must have accompanied the announcement but no-one's found a citation yet. Check Halopedia (link's at the bottom of the article page). They might have a source. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 21:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
::I can't provide a source, but I think one is referred to as Jorge and the others have their names on their armour.[[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The names I edited this page with are from the 202 issue of Game Informer Magazine. Feel free to go to their website to for more updates[[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 22:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

The official and most accurate (100% Positive) is from the developers website, Bungie. The names on Gameinformer are accurate because they were relased to them by Bungie. xXSc3n1cXx 17:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]])  

== Where's the details? ==

I don't see any specific details about Halo: Reach anywhere in this article. You'd think Wikipedia (no offense, Wikipedia) would have a bit more insight into what Halo: Reach is about, what the plot is, the exact date it's coming out, etc. All I see are the following:

Vague descriptions of the characters

Passive plot discussion

No specific date of release

I mean, come on! You guys should at least have a bit more insight into what Halo: Reach is going to include! [[User:Spikeclaw|Spikeclaw]] ([[User talk:Spikeclaw|talk]]) 17:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:Err... maybe it's because nobody has ''said anything''? We can't comment on something until a reliable source has actually said a date or the plot or anything. They haven't. They probably won't for at least a few more weeks. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 17:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

And some information is too specific, it states that it is based on a squad of six Spartan-II's when it has not been confirmed that they are II's, in fact some of the references in the video sounds like they are potentially Spartan-IIIs (Pegasi) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Littlefatmonkey|Littlefatmonkey]] ([[User talk:Littlefatmonkey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlefatmonkey|contribs]]) 19:44, 16 December 2009 (UTC) 
:Spartan III's were only on Onyx. There were the UNSC's dirty little secret. They won't be on Reach. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 20:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Yea but before the end of Ghosts of Onyx, most of the third group have left and been deployed, i think that would line up with reach. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Littlefatmonkey|Littlefatmonkey]] ([[User talk:Littlefatmonkey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlefatmonkey|contribs]]) 03:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC) 

:Actually, they left around October. Reach fell in August. Note that they did not say "Pegasi Delta", but "Pegasi" meaning it could be any place in the Pegasus constellation. Lieutenant is much too high for a SPARTAN-III, as there is apparently a reason why IIs are only allowed to be Non-rate crewmen of the Petty Officer ranks. Other than the two Beta Comapny IIIs that survived Pegasi Delta, everyone else was around 12 years old by 2552. Furthermore, they would not be moved into another team, as they were a secret project. Knowlege of the IIIs was restricted to a handful of people. Would you let them be a liability? Someone could reveal that they were taken as 6 year olds, given drugs and sent on suicidal missions because the IIs were dying, which was also a secret. --[[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 10:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
::Also, IIs were the only ones to use MJOLNIR (and those looked like variants of it). IIIs used the godawful-ugly Semi-Powered Infiltration armour. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 04:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, wikipedia isn't a place to make guesses. It's a place to record facts. [[User:Kingbirdy23|Kingbirdy23]] ([[User talk:Kingbirdy23|talk]]) 02:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

The suit make look aweful but the reason they were made was becuase they were cheaper and quicker to make then the Spartan II's armor. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kilgannon2113|contribs]]) 22:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC) 

:It was confirmed on the Bungie website that All of Noble Team except for one were Spartan-III, and that does make sense, because Colonel Ackerson created the Spartan-III program but it didn't say in the book that all of them except the ones that went with Dr. Halsey died. I don't think we should include that though until Bungie puts how they got to Reach up because most of it is just sepculation clouded with the halopedia article.

==Release date==
Which month is Halo: Reach going to be released? I know the article says Fall but which Fall? The September-November one or the March-May one? --[[User:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] ([[User talk:NuparuMahnika|talk]]) 09:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:This is why I always change it to "Autumn"... it's the real name and most english-speaking countries use it.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 12:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::Wait, there are two falls? I've only ever heard it referring to autumn. Is this an American thing or have I just not come across it before? --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 16:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:::So which one is it then? --[[User:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] ([[User talk:NuparuMahnika|talk]]) 05:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I have been told by an employee of the date May. 23. I cannot give the source as it would be a violation of my promise. [[Special:Contributions/99.182.222.37|99.182.222.37]] ([[User talk:99.182.222.37|talk]]) 09:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:Then why bother saying it? Hmm? Wikipedia needs reliable sources. Even if you ''had'' said the source, it would still be a case of hearsay. All you've done is sow the seeds of potential confusion down the line. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 16:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Im confused just looking at the article, any specific dates should not refer to seasons, even if the name for a season is specific to only one country, I understand Fall means Autumn, yet I am not in the USA, and since my Autumn is different to their Autumn, a specific time period should be put in place, either month(s), or quarters.[[Special:Contributions/125.238.25.16|125.238.25.16]] ([[User talk:125.238.25.16|talk]]) 09:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
::Put simply. "Fall" in this case refers to the American season, which is somewhere in september-november. Remember "fall" is "autumn" in many other northern hemisphere countries. [[Special:Contributions/59.101.126.53|59.101.126.53]] ([[User talk:59.101.126.53|talk]]) 09:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The official release date has not been announced by Bungie; but a date of September 14, 2010 has been set by Gameinformer. Or It might have been IGN or Gamepro, but I'm almost positive it was Gameinformer. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]]) 17:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC) 
:A release date has been set although not orally said by Bungie, a link to pre-order the game from the Bungie.net homepage connects to an Amazon.com link which states the release to be on September 1, 2010. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 01:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 
::September 1 is a generic date used for the Fall of any given year. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 02:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually when the September equinox occurs the first day of Fall begins. It occurs around September 22nd. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 13:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 

== Spartan III ==

Not sure if it's a good source so I'll put it here. It seems that Microsoft confirmed that you are a Spartan III. Should we put this in? [http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/21746/Microsoft-Confirms-Spartan-IIIs-in-Halo-Reach/] [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 19:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

:Nah, I've seen a lot of "official" sites change it back to II... looks to me like a typo. If you read Ghosts of Onyx, you'd see the impossibility.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 13:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::Going by the official press release, yes there are Spartan-IIIs. It doesn't matter if we think it's impossible, it's a reliable source that we have no reason to doubt. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 14:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Ok... but I've been hearing a lot that the "Official press release" made a typo. I could look into it, if you want.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::::And as the TeamXbox link above pointed out, Microsoft verified there were no typos. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 15:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::The most recent live action trailer for the game, which is entitled ''Birth of a Spartan'' shows the conversion of one man into a Spartan III and it is proven that he becomes a Spartan III because his uniform says ''Spartan III''. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 14:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 

It's been confirmed. The Spartans in Reach are Spartan IIIs with the exception of Jorge. He is still in Spartan II armor. The idea was that they didn't want people to expect the story of Master Chief so they made the characters Spartan IIIs so that they couldn't possibly be the same story as Master Chief was a Spartan II. The story of the game Halo: Reach happens during the same time as the book but is not the same story line or the same people.[[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 22:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

:We've known that since January >.< Still, another confirmation was ok. "S-III" wasn't on his uniform, it was α259, an S-III company tag. The computer panel read "SPARTAN-III", though. -- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of playable characters, what is this whole play as humans in multiplayer thing? In the multiplayer beta trailer you clearly play multiplayer as Spartan IIIs. This isn't ODST. I am going to edit that out. [[User:Neckername|Neckername]] ([[User talk:Neckername|talk]]) 11:25, 9 April 2010 (EST)

:Spartans are humans, I think that's actually the EVA armour, whose helmet resembles the S-III helmet. The S-III helmet is more "bubble"-like on the visor, while the EVA helmet is more angular.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Natal ==

Should we include this in the development section? http://ie.xbox360.ign.com/articles/105/1059115p1.html [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 23:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:Read it carefully. It's not saying that it will have Natal. It's saying that players who would prefer playing with a controller would still like Natal. It's not saying that Reach will actually ''have'' Natal. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 00:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, my bad. Just mis-read it. [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 12:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Looks like Reach is not going to Natal support. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6249160.html [[User:IronStorm42|IronStorm42]] ([[User talk:IronStorm42|talk]]) 06:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== Game Informer article ==

There is a substansial bit of new info. on Halo Reach in the Feb issue of Game Informer. Why hasn't this been included yet? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 14:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:Perhaps no one has it yet? Do you? Why don't you add the information! =) –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 14:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

All the info I've seen so far is on blocked websites here at work. If no one has added by the time I get home then I will. Avenged 521 —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 14:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 

Here is the screenshots of the GI. If someone can check these out and post the info it would be great, I would but I can't access imageshack here.
[redacted per linkvio] —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 16:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:Thank you for these links but I'm afraid we cannot keep them per [[WP:LINKVIO]]. –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 16:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

So until a "Official" site puts it up we can't use the info. from the mag? I'm sorry but I'm new at the editing/ contributing thing. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 16:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:We can't put up the information until it appears in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]—think IGN, GameSpot and the like rather than RandomXbox360Blog.com or whatnot. Scans of the content is a copyright violation, thus the link was removed. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) so we know whose comments is what. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

:We ''can'' use the info from the mag, but we just can't allow the links to scans of the mag to remain visible. –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 19:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The Game Informer ''IS'' a reputable source. Xeno can you throw it up? [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]]) 19:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:I never said it wasn't, just that info from ''Game Informer'' on other sites should be scrutinized carefully. As it is I recently got a hold of a copy, so I will be adding information if no one else is. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 00:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I added almost every bit of information in that article about a week ago and it was never added. It had information about each character, their role in the team, height, weight, their Service Numbers (e.g. S-239) and other information about the visuals of the game, new weapons and enemies and other things. It was all either deleted or not accepted or whatever. I was rather upset about it. Can anybody shed light on this? And yes Game Informer is a reputable source. It should be scrutinized that roughly. The magazine has been around for a while and the article was based on an interview with the Bungie Team creative director Marcus Lehto. It should be a reputable source if it's directly from someone from Bungie for heaven's sake. [[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 19:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:Perhaps you should learn to read; no one is disputing that ''Game Informer'' is not a reputable source. However irrelevant details like the height and weight of a fictional character is not needed and if it was in the article, was rightly removed. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

@David Fuchs, why do you claim weight and height is irrelevant? I came here for that specific information. Who is to decide what information is relevant to others? Wikipedia isn't about picking and choosing which bits of information is important or not--it's about sharing the information that pertains to the topic at hand. I happen to think every detail of the GI article is relevant to the topic. I mean, we are editing the Halo: Reach article right? And, that was the name of the article that GI just published, right? Who is to say what detail is too small? I mean, I guess we can go create individual pages for each of the characters but something tells me you wouldn't like that either. [[User:CrazedSpartanHadouken|CrazedSpartanHadouken]] ([[User talk:CrazedSpartanHadouken|talk]]) 17:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:And you're completely wrong; we aren't a fan guide, game guide, or publisher of excessive detail. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 17:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Look, CrazedSpartan, Wikipedia can't satisfy everybody. If you want better details and such, than by no means, head over to Halopedia. Wikipedia doesn't go very deep into video games.--[[User:Rollersox|Rollersox]] ([[User talk:Rollersox|talk]]) 18:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from 69.131.223.138, 6 April 2010 ==

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 you forgot the "O" in HALO


[[Special:Contributions/69.131.223.138|69.131.223.138]] ([[User talk:69.131.223.138|talk]]) 20:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks kindly! –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 20:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== Armor Ability Info ==

I edited the gameplay section to include more information on the new armor abilities since they are a big change and should be more than a small sub-section of a single paragraph. However, this information has been taken down entirely. Granted I didn't offer a citation since I am not aware of how to do so, but anyone watching this article would know where to get the citation (bungie.net), and it could have just been given a "citation needed" label, instead of being torn down completely..

If possible, could the information I added be restored? [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 20:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkyJW15|contribs]]) 20:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 

:Hi there. I'm not the user that removed your edits, but they seemed to be just a bit too detailed for Wikipedia. Thanks for editing though!

Well, if someone feels they're too detailed, they're free to edit them to simplify them rather than remove the information and keep a major game change restrained to 1-2 sentences. The whole point of Wikipedia is to have information, perhaps not too detailed of information, but information none the less.[[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 01:57, 8 April 2010
:We are not a specialized gaming encyclopedia, and we are not a game guide. We are not writing for ''Halo'' fans, but for the average bloke who may or not have played the game, let alone ''a'' video game in their lives. So we keep it succint, and simple. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm guessing you disregarded all I said previously. I admit I may have gone too detailed, but something like Armor Abilities which Bungie themselves have said in podcasts have greatly changed their map design and gameplay as a whole should be attended to with more than a line of mention. Something I noticed in the current article is that it says the Elites have a unique roll ability, but it doesn't mention it's an Armor Ability unique to the Elites, so it sounds like it's just something the Elites can do by themselves without Armor Abilities. But by your standards if I went and identified it as such, it would be too much like a, how did you describe it, "game guide".
And don't speak to me in an imputent tone sir. I know very well what the Wikipedia community strives for, but the "normal bloke" who visits the Halo Reach page is probably looking for some details, not a one to two line mention. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 00:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

:What the "normal bloke" would look for would be a summarisation of the overall plot and genre ("A Sci-fi game set on a Human-occupied world in the future, under an attack from an alien force known as the Covenant"), its release date, the console it is on, and *if available* some ratings. If you want to go in-depth, I suggest you try the [[Wikia:Halopedia|Halo Encyclopedia]]. --[[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 01:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

If someone wanted to learn all the things you say they want to learn in an article about a game, then they'd just go to IGN or Gamestop where they could get the same information by searching it on their website. Hell, I could get everything you're talking about out of the booklets they have at Hollywood video for free that give everything you've stated people want to know in a 3 inch space (if that), along with the same information for plenty of other games.
Also, take into consideration that the "normal bloke" who comes through here is most likely a "normal gamer", because no random person is going to be searching "Halo: Reach" as if they've never heard of Halo before, considering that in gaming culture Halo is one of the biggest games of this generation. The way I see it, people who look up a videogame on any site are probably looking for information other than the basic storyline, which they probably already know. What they're most likely looking for are details that either persuade them or enlighten them, and this "article" does neither.
At the rate this "article" is going you might aswell erase all of it and just place a link to the Halo: Reach page on Bungie.net for the time being.
So fine, if Wikipedia is meant to be no better than a booklet that took a dollar and an hour to make, then I'll leave you to do so. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 14:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you. Come back when you learn to spell your five-dollar words correctly. I think you'll find the guidelines and policies won't have changed. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 15:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Very good response, bravo sir, bravo. Your wisdom and intelligence is beyond compare. And your ability to give me such a great counter argument in a civil debate. C'est belle monsieur, c'est belle! [[Special:Contributions/99.53.98.17|99.53.98.17]] ([[User talk:99.53.98.17|talk]]) 22:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

um i see the need to have info on a game so many play, but wouldnt it be just as fun to play the game on the same lvl as everyone else and have the excitement of the halo universe unfold at the release date and not be bord of the game after a week of its release? =) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.95.255.149|74.95.255.149]] ([[User talk:74.95.255.149|talk]]) 18:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC) 

== Forge Mode? ==

Does anyone know if this game will have the Forge Mode of Halo 3? If so please put that info and a citation into the article. [[User:Venomclaw|Venom]]__[[User_talk:Venomclaw|Claw]] 16:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They have not explicitly mentioned Forge. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that there will be since in the recent April Fools Multiplayer Strategy Trailer we see a player control the Forge Monitor.
There were also several other clues such as territory markings and unique tags above players heads such as "King" and "Pawn" to resemble the titles of the characters in the fictional Chess game mode. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 00:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

No offense, but that ''was'' an April Fools Trailer. No, I don't think Reach will have Forge support. As a matter of fact, Bungie hasn't even said ''anything'' about it. I sure would like to see it in though. I'm not biased. I'm neutral on this. xXSc3n1cXx 18:06, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]])  
:They only accidentally mentioned Juggernaut was returning. They're staying close to the chest with lots of info; we just have to wait for sources. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 18:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::Your logic makes no sense XXSc3n1cXx. No game developer would ever release all of the information for the game when it's so far from release. Most likely they've added features to Forge and are keeping them hidden for later when they're not talking about the multiplayer as much. And considering this is the time in the development that they're focusing on the Beta, they're not going to just give off a bunch of info on other modes because that's not the current priority. And also, the joke of the April Fools trailer was the chess mode, so anything not relating to it still hold ground. And why would they go backwards? Pretty much everyone who plays Halo 3 also uses Forge, so for them to go and say "Hey, you guys all loved it so now we're taking it away" would just tick off all the fans. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkyJW15|contribs]]) 20:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC) 
:::UPDATE: GameInformer just announced Forge through their article with their preview of the Halo: Reach beta. Here's the link http://gameinformer.com/games/halo_reach/b/xbox360/archive/2010/04/21/halo-reach-multiplayer-beta-hands-on-preview.aspx [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 16:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

um lol didnt they take out the forge in odst? :O —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.95.255.149|74.95.255.149]] ([[User talk:74.95.255.149|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC) 

yes and no. there was no forge for firefight, but given the nature of that game type it wasn't needed. The multiplayer disc (2nd disc with all multiplayer modes) did have forge, however, this is more of a Halo 3 disc then a ODST disc.[[User:Solarguy17|Solarguy17]] ([[User talk:Solarguy17|talk]]) 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

:I think the April's fools joke wasn't made for nothing, they wouldn't have spent that much time on it and not include some part of it in the game. Also, the bipd tag for the Monitor was found in the reach beta level, and since i don't really see how 343 Guilty Spark could get all the way from Installation 04 to Reach, neither do i see why he would want to, i think it is safe to say that forge is going to be included in the game. [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] [[User talk:Assasin Joe|talk]] 14:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from ChefSwags, 30 April 2010 ==

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Halo: Reach has an official confirmed release date of September 2nd., Please Change

'''GameStop confirms!'''


:GameStop is not a reliable source. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 03:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Gamestop was wrong. May 3 is the beta.[[User:Cosmos0001|Cosmos0001]] ([[User talk:Cosmos0001|talk]]) 04:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Error about the Limited Edition price ==

In the article it says $90 for the Limited Edition but the actual price is $80.

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=77712

:*I've removed the pricing - since it's gonna be released in multiple countries (and even in the same country pricing may differ per store) it's impossible to track the "correct" pricing. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 13:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Terrible wording ==

"Halo: Reach is a shooter game; players experience gameplay from a first-person perspective."

Uhh, are you serious? It's a first-person shooter, not a shooter from a first-person perspective. [[Special:Contributions/67.186.179.229|67.186.179.229]] ([[User talk:67.186.179.229|talk]]) 21:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:It has the same goddamn meaning! Besides, they're ''called'' shooter (or "shoot-'em-up") games. They're just abbreviated FPS because it's quicker to say First-Person shooter.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 21:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

::It does have the same meaning; it's just about 7 words shorter. The current sentence sounds idiotic. Please go read a style manual.[[Special:Contributions/67.186.179.229|67.186.179.229]] ([[User talk:67.186.179.229|talk]]) 00:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Not everyone is a video game player and would know what FPS means. It's an accessibility issue. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 00:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Why not just say that it is a First Person Shooter? First Person means from the point of view of the person being controlled and shooter is selp explanetory - you shoot stuff. If someone does not understand the meaning of the term "First Person" then that means that they're just stupid to be honest;I remember learning about the term first person in Language Arts during third grade.
:: I'm not saying change it to FPS. I'm saying change it to "first person shooter". [[Special:Contributions/98.110.194.25|98.110.194.25]] ([[User talk:98.110.194.25|talk]]) 22:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
While this could have been addressed more diplomatically, the point stands. The verbiage is inconcise and squirelly, and "Halo: Reach is a first-person shooter," with a link to the FPS article, says in 5 words what the other sentence mumbles out in 11.[[Special:Contributions/214.3.138.234|214.3.138.234]] ([[User talk:214.3.138.234|talk]]) 18:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)Steve

Why is it still a shooter game with experience in first person perspective? I mean changing it to First-Person shooter is not that much of a change but it does save many words, that just like someone said before, are being mumbled. [[User:HELLSRIDER|HELLSRIDER]] ([[User talk:HELLSRIDER|talk]]) 01:32, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Sl4y3r999, 8 May 2010 ==

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I would like to change the release date for the product on this page.

My source http://www.bungiestore.com/Halo-Reach/A/B002BSA20M.htm has a release date for this product.

I believe this source is accurate as the store it is on is by the same developer as the product shown on this page.


[[User:Sl4y3r999|Sl4y3r999]] ([[User talk:Sl4y3r999|talk]]) 15:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:The September 1 release date is not echoed or reported at any other reliable/official source that I can see; it remains undetermined on xbox.com and IGN, for example. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Actually there seem to be a fair bit of sources that claim the same thing ([http://www.vgreleases.com/xbox360/releasedate-336646.aspx], [http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/05/06/halo-reach-official-release-date-could-be-september/]), although no official statement from Microsoft. Most sources seem to agree on a release date for of September 1 for US ([http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002BSA20M], [http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=77712]) and September 24 for EU ([http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=239124]). Even Amazon has put 1 September as the release date. Anyone against me adding this to the article or have some sources that disagree with this? - [[w:User:EdoDodo|EdoDodo]] [[w:User talk:EdoDodo|talk]] 13:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
September 1 is a generic date used for the Fall of any given year. Vendors will often tell you that if you ask. It's a date that they can put down to grab pre-orders. Until Bungie or Microsoft release the street date don't believe any other dates. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 02:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Information regarding Arena ==

New information regarding the Arena mode has been released by Bungie. There should be a new section in the article that involves the Arena mode and the formula used to rate a player on his/her gameplay. [[User:Str8Rippiniz2Legit|Str8Rippiniz2Legit]] ([[User talk:Str8Rippiniz2Legit|talk]]) 02:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:That would fall afoul of [[WP:GAMEGUIDE]]. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 02:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Jesseunger, 16 May 2010 ==

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In the Release section of the Halo: Reach article, the convert function (convert|10|lb|kg) reads out as "a 10 pounds (4.5 kg) statue". I suggest removing the convert and replacing it with just "a 10 pound (4.5 kg) statue".
-Thanks


[[User:Jesseunger|Jesseunger]] ([[User talk:Jesseunger|talk]]) 19:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

:Fixed with an additional parem. to the template. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Additional material ==

The Sydney Morning Herald Digital Life section wrote an article [http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/millions-reach-for-halo-20100525-w8jy.html here] on the game if anyone is looking for additional material. [[User:Salavat|Salavat]] ([[User talk:Salavat|talk]]) 07:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks. If someone else doesn't add it, I will. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== Single-player customization info ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqw6QvSzXQ Link] -- is an video interview (around 5:30) where the dev states that any armor customization attained in single-player would be visible when the player is viewed in cutscenes. A small thing, but I thought it particularly of note. It's from an IGN Insider video, so there's no actual link to the parent video, just the YouTube copy - that's why I didn't cite it in the article. If someone can find a public version it might be useful to add. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 14:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
:I've heard that too, it's just a matter of finding a decent source. I'll take a look. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

IT says its set in the year 2552? ,this can't be posable as that's the year odst is set in! an as odst is set during the halo 2 time-line, and reach is set be four halo 1 it just cant be right! —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.7.68.185|94.7.68.185]] ([[User talk:94.7.68.185|talk]]) 04:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 

== Possible vandalism ==

Third shooter game? First person (linking to third person (videogames))? Cancerites (linking to cancer (Halo 3))? Just, what? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dalek9|Dalek9]] ([[User talk:Dalek9|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dalek9|contribs]]) 08:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 
:Nice catch, that is one of the reasons this page was protected from IP's [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] [[User talk:Assasin Joe|talk]] 14:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Gareth Lorn, 5 July 2010 ==

The character section of this page is really lacking. There are dossiers on the Bungie website with detailed descriptions of each member of Noble Team, but this page only lists their names. For half of the squad, it doesn't even bother with an adjective. It also supposedly lists Carter as "no-nonsense". Is there a source for that? I don't remember him ever being referred to as "no-nonsense". Lastly, it says the marksman's name is "halo-266". Said marksman is not, in fact, named "halo". His name is Jun.

The gameplay part of the page is also needs an overhaul. There's no mention of the various info dumps Bungie released at E3 a couple weeks ago, such as Firefight 2.0 and the inclusion of space battles in campaign. Why? Both of those are pretty important.

If someone wants to give me access to the Reach page, I'd be happy fixing it. If not, someone should probably get on it. Just saying.

[[User:Gareth Lorn|Gareth Lorn]] ([[User talk:Gareth Lorn|talk]]) 15:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Technology? ==

Halo Wars takes place approximately 20 years before Halo Reach, but yet I've seen Cutscenes of Marines wielding the Battle Riffle.But during the time of this game that technology wasn't out and they were using the Designated Marksman Rifle? Please Explain. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rickman1945|Rickman1945]] ([[User talk:Rickman1945|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rickman1945|contribs]]) 02:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC) 

:The BR55 was in production in 2524, being used by Johnson and his militia on Harvest. It was an experimental prototype weapon for the majority of the war and so did not enter mass-production until near the end. The ''M392 Designated Marksman Rifle'' is an Army-issue Battle Rifle that is either the former service-issue Battle Rifle or simply a BR55 modified for the Army instead of the Marine Corps (they like to name them differently, like how the MA37 is an MA5-series Assault Rifle to the Marines) - depending on whether or not the BR55 was service-issue by the Fall of Reach.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 08:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::...And aside from that, it's not a real universe, and thus [[retcon]]s happen. It's not really germane to the focus of this article. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Further forge info, from ?reliable? source? ==

Comic-con panel, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-OceiL7uE YouTube footage] --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 14:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:I've commented in an IGN ref, which is supremely better than using Youtube or other such video documentation for our purposes. I suggest those looking to expand the coverage use that. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 23:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Forge World ==

Section Gameplay, paragraph 3. Forge World is referred to as "ForgeWorld" while the citation says its called Forge World and even on recent Bungie Weekly Update (and ViDoc) it's been called Forge World [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_072310 Bungie.net: Bungie Weekly Update: 07.23.10].

Also I think this is the "citation needed" for the first paragraph of Multiplayer (spending credits on customization) [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_032610 Bungie.net: Bungie Weekly Update 03.26.10]. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 17:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed. I'll take a look at the citation needed later. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 18:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Trivial info ==

'''Development > Multiplayer beta'''. ''"Since the beta ended on May 20, this means that the duration between the end of the beta and the full game coming out will be 117 days, a reference to [[John-117]]."'' that looks like trivial and useless info for me. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 03:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

:Also, on announcements there's a link to the achievements revealed in a Bungie Weekly Update. There's already a link for the Wikia page before the navbox templates and that sentence is also useless. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 03:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Photos ==

The photos on the page are really boring. Can someone spice it up and show off the engine? http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/images.aspx?c=59 These are great HD pictures —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tunavi|Tunavi]] ([[User talk:Tunavi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tunavi|contribs]]) 16:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC) 

== Leak ==

Halo: Reach was leaked to some extent earlier this week. I would be happy if members of Wikipedia tried to stop heavy spoilers from being added before the release date.

While this "no spoilers" idea didn't go well with the last Harry Potter novel (the entire plot being on Wikipedia before 12:00 GMT on the day of release), I would like to point out that people randomly adding in spoilers may not be telling the truth (for example: lying to see readers' reactions) and are unlikely to have sources.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 18:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

SPOILER AHEAD: THE END:

lol, completed it 14 days before actual release. At the last level you are clearing the area for the automn of pillar. after it arrives you give them cortana and while they invite you to join them you prefer to stay and help them go in orbit. After the credits it asks you to survive. After you die, you get to listen how you saved humanity. That's it. [[User:Moppf|Moppf]] ([[User talk:Moppf|talk]]) 14:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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==Intro statement==
Saying "Players control Noble 6, a member of an elite supersoldier squad, during a battle for the human world of Reach." can be a bit misleading, I thought it meant they were actually Elites when I first read it. I don't know if it warrants rephrasing though. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:BelalHaniffa|BelalHaniffa]] ([[User talk:BelalHaniffa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BelalHaniffa|contribs]]) 09:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC) 

==Vandalism==
"The download will require a 7,000+ GB hard drive."
Can someone please remove this?

==Names==
Uh, where are people getting these names from for the Noble Group Spartans? From the news all over the web. The only one I remember hearing is Jorge, and the "Lone Wolf". [[Special:Contributions/24.138.12.222|24.138.12.222]] ([[User talk:24.138.12.222|talk]]) 20:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:I think they're from a press release that must have accompanied the announcement but no-one's found a citation yet. Check Halopedia (link's at the bottom of the article page). They might have a source. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 21:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
::I can't provide a source, but I think one is referred to as Jorge and the others have their names on their armour.[[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The names I edited this page with are from the 202 issue of Game Informer Magazine. Feel free to go to their website to for more updates[[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 22:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

The official and most accurate (100% Positive) is from the developers website, Bungie. The names on Gameinformer are accurate because they were relased to them by Bungie. xXSc3n1cXx 17:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]])  

== Where's the details? ==

I don't see any specific details about Halo: Reach anywhere in this article. You'd think Wikipedia (no offense, Wikipedia) would have a bit more insight into what Halo: Reach is about, what the plot is, the exact date it's coming out, etc. All I see are the following:

Vague descriptions of the characters

Passive plot discussion

No specific date of release

I mean, come on! You guys should at least have a bit more insight into what Halo: Reach is going to include! [[User:Spikeclaw|Spikeclaw]] ([[User talk:Spikeclaw|talk]]) 17:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:Err... maybe it's because nobody has ''said anything''? We can't comment on something until a reliable source has actually said a date or the plot or anything. They haven't. They probably won't for at least a few more weeks. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 17:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

And some information is too specific, it states that it is based on a squad of six Spartan-II's when it has not been confirmed that they are II's, in fact some of the references in the video sounds like they are potentially Spartan-IIIs (Pegasi) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Littlefatmonkey|Littlefatmonkey]] ([[User talk:Littlefatmonkey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlefatmonkey|contribs]]) 19:44, 16 December 2009 (UTC) 
:Spartan III's were only on Onyx. There were the UNSC's dirty little secret. They won't be on Reach. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 20:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Yea but before the end of Ghosts of Onyx, most of the third group have left and been deployed, i think that would line up with reach. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Littlefatmonkey|Littlefatmonkey]] ([[User talk:Littlefatmonkey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlefatmonkey|contribs]]) 03:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC) 

:Actually, they left around October. Reach fell in August. Note that they did not say "Pegasi Delta", but "Pegasi" meaning it could be any place in the Pegasus constellation. Lieutenant is much too high for a SPARTAN-III, as there is apparently a reason why IIs are only allowed to be Non-rate crewmen of the Petty Officer ranks. Other than the two Beta Comapny IIIs that survived Pegasi Delta, everyone else was around 12 years old by 2552. Furthermore, they would not be moved into another team, as they were a secret project. Knowlege of the IIIs was restricted to a handful of people. Would you let them be a liability? Someone could reveal that they were taken as 6 year olds, given drugs and sent on suicidal missions because the IIs were dying, which was also a secret. --[[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 10:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
::Also, IIs were the only ones to use MJOLNIR (and those looked like variants of it). IIIs used the godawful-ugly Semi-Powered Infiltration armour. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 04:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, wikipedia isn't a place to make guesses. It's a place to record facts. [[User:Kingbirdy23|Kingbirdy23]] ([[User talk:Kingbirdy23|talk]]) 02:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

The suit make look aweful but the reason they were made was becuase they were cheaper and quicker to make then the Spartan II's armor. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kilgannon2113|contribs]]) 22:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC) 

:It was confirmed on the Bungie website that All of Noble Team except for one were Spartan-III, and that does make sense, because Colonel Ackerson created the Spartan-III program but it didn't say in the book that all of them except the ones that went with Dr. Halsey died. I don't think we should include that though until Bungie puts how they got to Reach up because most of it is just sepculation clouded with the halopedia article.

==Release date==
Which month is Halo: Reach going to be released? I know the article says Fall but which Fall? The September-November one or the March-May one? --[[User:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] ([[User talk:NuparuMahnika|talk]]) 09:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:This is why I always change it to "Autumn"... it's the real name and most english-speaking countries use it.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 12:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::Wait, there are two falls? I've only ever heard it referring to autumn. Is this an American thing or have I just not come across it before? --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 16:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:::So which one is it then? --[[User:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] ([[User talk:NuparuMahnika|talk]]) 05:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I have been told by an employee of the date May. 23. I cannot give the source as it would be a violation of my promise. [[Special:Contributions/99.182.222.37|99.182.222.37]] ([[User talk:99.182.222.37|talk]]) 09:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:Then why bother saying it? Hmm? Wikipedia needs reliable sources. Even if you ''had'' said the source, it would still be a case of hearsay. All you've done is sow the seeds of potential confusion down the line. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 16:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Im confused just looking at the article, any specific dates should not refer to seasons, even if the name for a season is specific to only one country, I understand Fall means Autumn, yet I am not in the USA, and since my Autumn is different to their Autumn, a specific time period should be put in place, either month(s), or quarters.[[Special:Contributions/125.238.25.16|125.238.25.16]] ([[User talk:125.238.25.16|talk]]) 09:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
::Put simply. "Fall" in this case refers to the American season, which is somewhere in september-november. Remember "fall" is "autumn" in many other northern hemisphere countries. [[Special:Contributions/59.101.126.53|59.101.126.53]] ([[User talk:59.101.126.53|talk]]) 09:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The official release date has not been announced by Bungie; but a date of September 14, 2010 has been set by Gameinformer. Or It might have been IGN or Gamepro, but I'm almost positive it was Gameinformer. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]]) 17:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC) 
:A release date has been set although not orally said by Bungie, a link to pre-order the game from the Bungie.net homepage connects to an Amazon.com link which states the release to be on September 1, 2010. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 01:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 
::September 1 is a generic date used for the Fall of any given year. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 02:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually when the September equinox occurs the first day of Fall begins. It occurs around September 22nd. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 13:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 

== Spartan III ==

Not sure if it's a good source so I'll put it here. It seems that Microsoft confirmed that you are a Spartan III. Should we put this in? [http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/21746/Microsoft-Confirms-Spartan-IIIs-in-Halo-Reach/] [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 19:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

:Nah, I've seen a lot of "official" sites change it back to II... looks to me like a typo. If you read Ghosts of Onyx, you'd see the impossibility.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 13:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::Going by the official press release, yes there are Spartan-IIIs. It doesn't matter if we think it's impossible, it's a reliable source that we have no reason to doubt. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 14:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Ok... but I've been hearing a lot that the "Official press release" made a typo. I could look into it, if you want.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::::And as the TeamXbox link above pointed out, Microsoft verified there were no typos. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 15:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::The most recent live action trailer for the game, which is entitled ''Birth of a Spartan'' shows the conversion of one man into a Spartan III and it is proven that he becomes a Spartan III because his uniform says ''Spartan III''. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KingDerekx|KingDerekx]] ([[User talk:KingDerekx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KingDerekx|contribs]]) 14:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC) 

It's been confirmed. The Spartans in Reach are Spartan IIIs with the exception of Jorge. He is still in Spartan II armor. The idea was that they didn't want people to expect the story of Master Chief so they made the characters Spartan IIIs so that they couldn't possibly be the same story as Master Chief was a Spartan II. The story of the game Halo: Reach happens during the same time as the book but is not the same story line or the same people.[[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 22:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

:We've known that since January >.< Still, another confirmation was ok. "S-III" wasn't on his uniform, it was α259, an S-III company tag. The computer panel read "SPARTAN-III", though. -- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of playable characters, what is this whole play as humans in multiplayer thing? In the multiplayer beta trailer you clearly play multiplayer as Spartan IIIs. This isn't ODST. I am going to edit that out. [[User:Neckername|Neckername]] ([[User talk:Neckername|talk]]) 11:25, 9 April 2010 (EST)

:Spartans are humans, I think that's actually the EVA armour, whose helmet resembles the S-III helmet. The S-III helmet is more "bubble"-like on the visor, while the EVA helmet is more angular.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Natal ==

Should we include this in the development section? http://ie.xbox360.ign.com/articles/105/1059115p1.html [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 23:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:Read it carefully. It's not saying that it will have Natal. It's saying that players who would prefer playing with a controller would still like Natal. It's not saying that Reach will actually ''have'' Natal. --[[User:Thejadefalcon|Thejadefalcon]][[User talk:Thejadefalcon|''Sing your song'']][[Special:Contributions/Thejadefalcon|''The bird's seeds'']] 00:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, my bad. Just mis-read it. [[User:Mikerooney|Mikerooney]] ([[User talk:Mikerooney|talk]]) 12:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Looks like Reach is not going to Natal support. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6249160.html [[User:IronStorm42|IronStorm42]] ([[User talk:IronStorm42|talk]]) 06:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== Game Informer article ==

There is a substansial bit of new info. on Halo Reach in the Feb issue of Game Informer. Why hasn't this been included yet? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 14:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:Perhaps no one has it yet? Do you? Why don't you add the information! =) –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 14:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

All the info I've seen so far is on blocked websites here at work. If no one has added by the time I get home then I will. Avenged 521 —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 14:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 

Here is the screenshots of the GI. If someone can check these out and post the info it would be great, I would but I can't access imageshack here.
[redacted per linkvio] —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 16:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:Thank you for these links but I'm afraid we cannot keep them per [[WP:LINKVIO]]. –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 16:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

So until a "Official" site puts it up we can't use the info. from the mag? I'm sorry but I'm new at the editing/ contributing thing. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avenged521|contribs]]) 16:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC) 
:We can't put up the information until it appears in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]—think IGN, GameSpot and the like rather than RandomXbox360Blog.com or whatnot. Scans of the content is a copyright violation, thus the link was removed. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) so we know whose comments is what. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

:We ''can'' use the info from the mag, but we just can't allow the links to scans of the mag to remain visible. –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 19:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The Game Informer ''IS'' a reputable source. Xeno can you throw it up? [[User:Avenged521|Avenged521]] ([[User talk:Avenged521|talk]]) 19:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:I never said it wasn't, just that info from ''Game Informer'' on other sites should be scrutinized carefully. As it is I recently got a hold of a copy, so I will be adding information if no one else is. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 00:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I added almost every bit of information in that article about a week ago and it was never added. It had information about each character, their role in the team, height, weight, their Service Numbers (e.g. S-239) and other information about the visuals of the game, new weapons and enemies and other things. It was all either deleted or not accepted or whatever. I was rather upset about it. Can anybody shed light on this? And yes Game Informer is a reputable source. It should be scrutinized that roughly. The magazine has been around for a while and the article was based on an interview with the Bungie Team creative director Marcus Lehto. It should be a reputable source if it's directly from someone from Bungie for heaven's sake. [[User:Kilgannon2113|Kilgannon2113]] ([[User talk:Kilgannon2113|talk]]) 19:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:Perhaps you should learn to read; no one is disputing that ''Game Informer'' is not a reputable source. However irrelevant details like the height and weight of a fictional character is not needed and if it was in the article, was rightly removed. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

@David Fuchs, why do you claim weight and height is irrelevant? I came here for that specific information. Who is to decide what information is relevant to others? Wikipedia isn't about picking and choosing which bits of information is important or not--it's about sharing the information that pertains to the topic at hand. I happen to think every detail of the GI article is relevant to the topic. I mean, we are editing the Halo: Reach article right? And, that was the name of the article that GI just published, right? Who is to say what detail is too small? I mean, I guess we can go create individual pages for each of the characters but something tells me you wouldn't like that either. [[User:CrazedSpartanHadouken|CrazedSpartanHadouken]] ([[User talk:CrazedSpartanHadouken|talk]]) 17:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:And you're completely wrong; we aren't a fan guide, game guide, or publisher of excessive detail. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 17:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Look, CrazedSpartan, Wikipedia can't satisfy everybody. If you want better details and such, than by no means, head over to Halopedia. Wikipedia doesn't go very deep into video games.--[[User:Rollersox|Rollersox]] ([[User talk:Rollersox|talk]]) 18:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from 69.131.223.138, 6 April 2010 ==

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 you forgot the "O" in HALO


[[Special:Contributions/69.131.223.138|69.131.223.138]] ([[User talk:69.131.223.138|talk]]) 20:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks kindly! –[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']][[user talk:xeno|talk]] 20:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== Armor Ability Info ==

I edited the gameplay section to include more information on the new armor abilities since they are a big change and should be more than a small sub-section of a single paragraph. However, this information has been taken down entirely. Granted I didn't offer a citation since I am not aware of how to do so, but anyone watching this article would know where to get the citation (bungie.net), and it could have just been given a "citation needed" label, instead of being torn down completely..

If possible, could the information I added be restored? [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 20:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkyJW15|contribs]]) 20:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 

:Hi there. I'm not the user that removed your edits, but they seemed to be just a bit too detailed for Wikipedia. Thanks for editing though!

Well, if someone feels they're too detailed, they're free to edit them to simplify them rather than remove the information and keep a major game change restrained to 1-2 sentences. The whole point of Wikipedia is to have information, perhaps not too detailed of information, but information none the less.[[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 01:57, 8 April 2010
:We are not a specialized gaming encyclopedia, and we are not a game guide. We are not writing for ''Halo'' fans, but for the average bloke who may or not have played the game, let alone ''a'' video game in their lives. So we keep it succint, and simple. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm guessing you disregarded all I said previously. I admit I may have gone too detailed, but something like Armor Abilities which Bungie themselves have said in podcasts have greatly changed their map design and gameplay as a whole should be attended to with more than a line of mention. Something I noticed in the current article is that it says the Elites have a unique roll ability, but it doesn't mention it's an Armor Ability unique to the Elites, so it sounds like it's just something the Elites can do by themselves without Armor Abilities. But by your standards if I went and identified it as such, it would be too much like a, how did you describe it, "game guide".
And don't speak to me in an imputent tone sir. I know very well what the Wikipedia community strives for, but the "normal bloke" who visits the Halo Reach page is probably looking for some details, not a one to two line mention. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 00:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

:What the "normal bloke" would look for would be a summarisation of the overall plot and genre ("A Sci-fi game set on a Human-occupied world in the future, under an attack from an alien force known as the Covenant"), its release date, the console it is on, and *if available* some ratings. If you want to go in-depth, I suggest you try the [[Wikia:Halopedia|Halo Encyclopedia]]. --[[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 01:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

If someone wanted to learn all the things you say they want to learn in an article about a game, then they'd just go to IGN or Gamestop where they could get the same information by searching it on their website. Hell, I could get everything you're talking about out of the booklets they have at Hollywood video for free that give everything you've stated people want to know in a 3 inch space (if that), along with the same information for plenty of other games.
Also, take into consideration that the "normal bloke" who comes through here is most likely a "normal gamer", because no random person is going to be searching "Halo: Reach" as if they've never heard of Halo before, considering that in gaming culture Halo is one of the biggest games of this generation. The way I see it, people who look up a videogame on any site are probably looking for information other than the basic storyline, which they probably already know. What they're most likely looking for are details that either persuade them or enlighten them, and this "article" does neither.
At the rate this "article" is going you might aswell erase all of it and just place a link to the Halo: Reach page on Bungie.net for the time being.
So fine, if Wikipedia is meant to be no better than a booklet that took a dollar and an hour to make, then I'll leave you to do so. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 14:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you. Come back when you learn to spell your five-dollar words correctly. I think you'll find the guidelines and policies won't have changed. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 15:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Very good response, bravo sir, bravo. Your wisdom and intelligence is beyond compare. And your ability to give me such a great counter argument in a civil debate. C'est belle monsieur, c'est belle! [[Special:Contributions/99.53.98.17|99.53.98.17]] ([[User talk:99.53.98.17|talk]]) 22:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

um i see the need to have info on a game so many play, but wouldnt it be just as fun to play the game on the same lvl as everyone else and have the excitement of the halo universe unfold at the release date and not be bord of the game after a week of its release? =) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.95.255.149|74.95.255.149]] ([[User talk:74.95.255.149|talk]]) 18:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC) 

== Forge Mode? ==

Does anyone know if this game will have the Forge Mode of Halo 3? If so please put that info and a citation into the article. [[User:Venomclaw|Venom]]__[[User_talk:Venomclaw|Claw]] 16:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They have not explicitly mentioned Forge. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that there will be since in the recent April Fools Multiplayer Strategy Trailer we see a player control the Forge Monitor.
There were also several other clues such as territory markings and unique tags above players heads such as "King" and "Pawn" to resemble the titles of the characters in the fictional Chess game mode. [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 00:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

No offense, but that ''was'' an April Fools Trailer. No, I don't think Reach will have Forge support. As a matter of fact, Bungie hasn't even said ''anything'' about it. I sure would like to see it in though. I'm not biased. I'm neutral on this. xXSc3n1cXx 18:06, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XXSc3n1cXx|XXSc3n1cXx]] ([[User talk:XXSc3n1cXx|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XXSc3n1cXx|contribs]])  
:They only accidentally mentioned Juggernaut was returning. They're staying close to the chest with lots of info; we just have to wait for sources. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 18:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::Your logic makes no sense XXSc3n1cXx. No game developer would ever release all of the information for the game when it's so far from release. Most likely they've added features to Forge and are keeping them hidden for later when they're not talking about the multiplayer as much. And considering this is the time in the development that they're focusing on the Beta, they're not going to just give off a bunch of info on other modes because that's not the current priority. And also, the joke of the April Fools trailer was the chess mode, so anything not relating to it still hold ground. And why would they go backwards? Pretty much everyone who plays Halo 3 also uses Forge, so for them to go and say "Hey, you guys all loved it so now we're taking it away" would just tick off all the fans. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkyJW15|contribs]]) 20:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC) 
:::UPDATE: GameInformer just announced Forge through their article with their preview of the Halo: Reach beta. Here's the link http://gameinformer.com/games/halo_reach/b/xbox360/archive/2010/04/21/halo-reach-multiplayer-beta-hands-on-preview.aspx [[User:SkyJW15|SkyJW15]] ([[User talk:SkyJW15|talk]]) 16:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

um lol didnt they take out the forge in odst? :O —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.95.255.149|74.95.255.149]] ([[User talk:74.95.255.149|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC) 

yes and no. there was no forge for firefight, but given the nature of that game type it wasn't needed. The multiplayer disc (2nd disc with all multiplayer modes) did have forge, however, this is more of a Halo 3 disc then a ODST disc.[[User:Solarguy17|Solarguy17]] ([[User talk:Solarguy17|talk]]) 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

:I think the April's fools joke wasn't made for nothing, they wouldn't have spent that much time on it and not include some part of it in the game. Also, the bipd tag for the Monitor was found in the reach beta level, and since i don't really see how 343 Guilty Spark could get all the way from Installation 04 to Reach, neither do i see why he would want to, i think it is safe to say that forge is going to be included in the game. [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] [[User talk:Assasin Joe|talk]] 14:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from ChefSwags, 30 April 2010 ==

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Halo: Reach has an official confirmed release date of September 2nd., Please Change

'''GameStop confirms!'''


:GameStop is not a reliable source. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 03:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Gamestop was wrong. May 3 is the beta.[[User:Cosmos0001|Cosmos0001]] ([[User talk:Cosmos0001|talk]]) 04:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Error about the Limited Edition price ==

In the article it says $90 for the Limited Edition but the actual price is $80.

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=77712

:*I've removed the pricing - since it's gonna be released in multiple countries (and even in the same country pricing may differ per store) it's impossible to track the "correct" pricing. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 13:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Terrible wording ==

"Halo: Reach is a shooter game; players experience gameplay from a first-person perspective."

Uhh, are you serious? It's a first-person shooter, not a shooter from a first-person perspective. [[Special:Contributions/67.186.179.229|67.186.179.229]] ([[User talk:67.186.179.229|talk]]) 21:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:It has the same goddamn meaning! Besides, they're ''called'' shooter (or "shoot-'em-up") games. They're just abbreviated FPS because it's quicker to say First-Person shooter.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 21:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

::It does have the same meaning; it's just about 7 words shorter. The current sentence sounds idiotic. Please go read a style manual.[[Special:Contributions/67.186.179.229|67.186.179.229]] ([[User talk:67.186.179.229|talk]]) 00:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Not everyone is a video game player and would know what FPS means. It's an accessibility issue. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 00:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Why not just say that it is a First Person Shooter? First Person means from the point of view of the person being controlled and shooter is selp explanetory - you shoot stuff. If someone does not understand the meaning of the term "First Person" then that means that they're just stupid to be honest;I remember learning about the term first person in Language Arts during third grade.
:: I'm not saying change it to FPS. I'm saying change it to "first person shooter". [[Special:Contributions/98.110.194.25|98.110.194.25]] ([[User talk:98.110.194.25|talk]]) 22:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
While this could have been addressed more diplomatically, the point stands. The verbiage is inconcise and squirelly, and "Halo: Reach is a first-person shooter," with a link to the FPS article, says in 5 words what the other sentence mumbles out in 11.[[Special:Contributions/214.3.138.234|214.3.138.234]] ([[User talk:214.3.138.234|talk]]) 18:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)Steve

Why is it still a shooter game with experience in first person perspective? I mean changing it to First-Person shooter is not that much of a change but it does save many words, that just like someone said before, are being mumbled. [[User:HELLSRIDER|HELLSRIDER]] ([[User talk:HELLSRIDER|talk]]) 01:32, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Sl4y3r999, 8 May 2010 ==

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I would like to change the release date for the product on this page.

My source http://www.bungiestore.com/Halo-Reach/A/B002BSA20M.htm has a release date for this product.

I believe this source is accurate as the store it is on is by the same developer as the product shown on this page.


[[User:Sl4y3r999|Sl4y3r999]] ([[User talk:Sl4y3r999|talk]]) 15:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:The September 1 release date is not echoed or reported at any other reliable/official source that I can see; it remains undetermined on xbox.com and IGN, for example. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Actually there seem to be a fair bit of sources that claim the same thing ([http://www.vgreleases.com/xbox360/releasedate-336646.aspx], [http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/05/06/halo-reach-official-release-date-could-be-september/]), although no official statement from Microsoft. Most sources seem to agree on a release date for of September 1 for US ([http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002BSA20M], [http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=77712]) and September 24 for EU ([http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=239124]). Even Amazon has put 1 September as the release date. Anyone against me adding this to the article or have some sources that disagree with this? - [[w:User:EdoDodo|EdoDodo]] [[w:User talk:EdoDodo|talk]] 13:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
September 1 is a generic date used for the Fall of any given year. Vendors will often tell you that if you ask. It's a date that they can put down to grab pre-orders. Until Bungie or Microsoft release the street date don't believe any other dates. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 02:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Information regarding Arena ==

New information regarding the Arena mode has been released by Bungie. There should be a new section in the article that involves the Arena mode and the formula used to rate a player on his/her gameplay. [[User:Str8Rippiniz2Legit|Str8Rippiniz2Legit]] ([[User talk:Str8Rippiniz2Legit|talk]]) 02:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:That would fall afoul of [[WP:GAMEGUIDE]]. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 02:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Jesseunger, 16 May 2010 ==

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In the Release section of the Halo: Reach article, the convert function (convert|10|lb|kg) reads out as "a 10 pounds (4.5 kg) statue". I suggest removing the convert and replacing it with just "a 10 pound (4.5 kg) statue".
-Thanks


[[User:Jesseunger|Jesseunger]] ([[User talk:Jesseunger|talk]]) 19:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

:Fixed with an additional parem. to the template. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Additional material ==

The Sydney Morning Herald Digital Life section wrote an article [http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/millions-reach-for-halo-20100525-w8jy.html here] on the game if anyone is looking for additional material. [[User:Salavat|Salavat]] ([[User talk:Salavat|talk]]) 07:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks. If someone else doesn't add it, I will. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 19:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== Single-player customization info ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqw6QvSzXQ Link] -- is an video interview (around 5:30) where the dev states that any armor customization attained in single-player would be visible when the player is viewed in cutscenes. A small thing, but I thought it particularly of note. It's from an IGN Insider video, so there's no actual link to the parent video, just the YouTube copy - that's why I didn't cite it in the article. If someone can find a public version it might be useful to add. --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 14:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
:I've heard that too, it's just a matter of finding a decent source. I'll take a look. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 16:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

IT says its set in the year 2552? ,this can't be posable as that's the year odst is set in! an as odst is set during the halo 2 time-line, and reach is set be four halo 1 it just cant be right! —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.7.68.185|94.7.68.185]] ([[User talk:94.7.68.185|talk]]) 04:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 

== Possible vandalism ==

Third shooter game? First person (linking to third person (videogames))? Cancerites (linking to cancer (Halo 3))? Just, what? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dalek9|Dalek9]] ([[User talk:Dalek9|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dalek9|contribs]]) 08:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 
:Nice catch, that is one of the reasons this page was protected from IP's [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] [[User talk:Assasin Joe|talk]] 14:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Gareth Lorn, 5 July 2010 ==

The character section of this page is really lacking. There are dossiers on the Bungie website with detailed descriptions of each member of Noble Team, but this page only lists their names. For half of the squad, it doesn't even bother with an adjective. It also supposedly lists Carter as "no-nonsense". Is there a source for that? I don't remember him ever being referred to as "no-nonsense". Lastly, it says the marksman's name is "halo-266". Said marksman is not, in fact, named "halo". His name is Jun.

The gameplay part of the page is also needs an overhaul. There's no mention of the various info dumps Bungie released at E3 a couple weeks ago, such as Firefight 2.0 and the inclusion of space battles in campaign. Why? Both of those are pretty important.

If someone wants to give me access to the Reach page, I'd be happy fixing it. If not, someone should probably get on it. Just saying.

[[User:Gareth Lorn|Gareth Lorn]] ([[User talk:Gareth Lorn|talk]]) 15:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Technology? ==

Halo Wars takes place approximately 20 years before Halo Reach, but yet I've seen Cutscenes of Marines wielding the Battle Riffle.But during the time of this game that technology wasn't out and they were using the Designated Marksman Rifle? Please Explain. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rickman1945|Rickman1945]] ([[User talk:Rickman1945|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rickman1945|contribs]]) 02:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC) 

:The BR55 was in production in 2524, being used by Johnson and his militia on Harvest. It was an experimental prototype weapon for the majority of the war and so did not enter mass-production until near the end. The ''M392 Designated Marksman Rifle'' is an Army-issue Battle Rifle that is either the former service-issue Battle Rifle or simply a BR55 modified for the Army instead of the Marine Corps (they like to name them differently, like how the MA37 is an MA5-series Assault Rifle to the Marines) - depending on whether or not the BR55 was service-issue by the Fall of Reach.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 08:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::...And aside from that, it's not a real universe, and thus [[retcon]]s happen. It's not really germane to the focus of this article. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Further forge info, from ?reliable? source? ==

Comic-con panel, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-OceiL7uE YouTube footage] --[[User:Teancum|Teancum]] ([[User talk:Teancum|talk]]) 14:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:I've commented in an IGN ref, which is supremely better than using Youtube or other such video documentation for our purposes. I suggest those looking to expand the coverage use that. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 23:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Forge World ==

Section Gameplay, paragraph 3. Forge World is referred to as "ForgeWorld" while the citation says its called Forge World and even on recent Bungie Weekly Update (and ViDoc) it's been called Forge World [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_072310 Bungie.net: Bungie Weekly Update: 07.23.10].

Also I think this is the "citation needed" for the first paragraph of Multiplayer (spending credits on customization) [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_032610 Bungie.net: Bungie Weekly Update 03.26.10]. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 17:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed. I'll take a look at the citation needed later. [[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]([[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]) 18:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Trivial info ==

'''Development > Multiplayer beta'''. ''"Since the beta ended on May 20, this means that the duration between the end of the beta and the full game coming out will be 117 days, a reference to [[John-117]]."'' that looks like trivial and useless info for me. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 03:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

:Also, on announcements there's a link to the achievements revealed in a Bungie Weekly Update. There's already a link for the Wikia page before the navbox templates and that sentence is also useless. --[[User:Exrain|Exrain]] ([[User talk:Exrain|talk]]) 03:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Photos ==

The photos on the page are really boring. Can someone spice it up and show off the engine? http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/images.aspx?c=59 These are great HD pictures —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tunavi|Tunavi]] ([[User talk:Tunavi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tunavi|contribs]]) 16:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC) 

== Leak ==

Halo: Reach was leaked to some extent earlier this week. I would be happy if members of Wikipedia tried to stop heavy spoilers from being added before the release date.

While this "no spoilers" idea didn't go well with the last Harry Potter novel (the entire plot being on Wikipedia before 12:00 GMT on the day of release), I would like to point out that people randomly adding in spoilers may not be telling the truth (for example: lying to see readers' reactions) and are unlikely to have sources.-- [[User:OsirisV|OsirisV]] ([[User talk:OsirisV|talk]]) 18:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

SPOILER AHEAD: THE END:

lol, completed it 14 days before actual release. At the last level you are clearing the area for the automn of pillar. after it arrives you give them cortana and while they invite you to join them you prefer to stay and help them go in orbit. After the credits it asks you to survive. After you die, you get to listen how you saved humanity. That's it. [[User:Moppf|Moppf]] ([[User talk:Moppf|talk]])

2001 in video games

2010-08-11T11:20:36Z

Moppf: /* Notable releases */

{{Year nav topic2|2001|video gaming}}

==Events==
* [[Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences]] hosts the 4th Annual [[Interactive Achievement Awards]]; inducts [[John D. Carmack|John Carmack]] of [[id Software]] to the [[AIAS Hall of Fame]]
*[[British Academy of Film and Television Arts]] (BAFTA) hosts the 4th annual [[BAFTA Interactive Entertainment Awards]] for multimedia technologies; 15 of 21 awards go to video games
* May 17-19 — 7th annual [[Electronic Entertainment Expo]] (E3); the 4th annual [[Game Critics Awards]] For The Best Of E3
* July - [[IEMA]] (Interactive Entertainment Merchants Association) hosts 2nd annual [[Executive Summit]]
* [[Gama Network]] hosts the 3rd annual [[Independent Games Festival]] (IGF)
* [[Game Developers Conference]] hosts the 1st annual [[Game Developers Choice Awards]]
* Reuters reports that the [[Dreamcast]] console has an estimated 800,000 online users playing its various online games already by midyear
** reports that [[Sony]] Computer Entertainment (SCE) and [[Sega]] are cooperating to allow online users for the [[PlayStation 2]] and [[Dreamcast]] consoles to play each other via the 1st ever cross-console network
* [[Sony]] cooperates with [[AOL]] to incorporate Internet features with the [[PlayStation 2]] console; which include a browser, email, and instant messaging capabilities
* 2nd annual Dreamcast Championships (featuring the ''[[Crazy Taxi 2]]'' video game)
** 1st place: Lindsay Gall ($15,000 & Jamaica resort trip)
** 2nd place: Michael Pirring ($10,000)
** 3rd place: Roger Mogle ($5,000)
* Nikkei News reports that the video game ''[[Phantasy Star Online]]'' (for [[Dreamcast]]) has had 300,000 worldwide users login already by midyear
* December 31 — [[Jez San]] is awarded an [[Order of the British Empire|OBE]] in the New Year Honours, becoming the first person awarded specifically for services to [[video game]]s.

===Business===
*[[Sega]] announces that it will no longer develop home consoles, in order to focus on game development. The [[Dreamcast]] is waiting to finish the production in May. But a lot of games were released for it in the same year.
*[[Zylom]] founded in [[Eindhoven]], the [[Netherlands]].
*[[Indrema]] in April closes and its [[L600]] Entertainment System multimedia home console is never released.
*[[Activision]] acquires [[Treyarch]] Invention LLC
*[[PCCW]] (Pacific Century CyberWorks Japan Co., Ltd.) acquires [[VR1]] Entertainment
*[[Midway Games]] announces that it will no longer manufacture arcade games.
*August — [[Loki Software]] declares Chapter 11 Bankruptcy over internal financial troubles, before going defunct next January. In response [[Michael Simms (software developer)|Michael Simms]] of the Tux Games retailer and former Loki [[game tester]] founds [[Linux Game Publishing]] alongside ex-Loki employee Mike Philips on October 15th to keep games coming to [[Linux]].
*November 23 — [[GamePark]] releases the [[GP32]] (GamePark 32) wireless-multiplayer multimedia handheld console in [[South Korea]]
*December — [[Panasonic]]'s [[Q multimedia console]]

===Lawsuits===
*Sega of America Inc. v. [[Kmart]] Corporation; Sega sues Kmart over an unpaid debt of over USD$2 million dollars
*[[Uri Geller]] v. Nintendo; Geller sues Nintendo over his resemblance to a [[Pokémon]] character. The suit is dismissed.

===Notable releases===
{{GamePlatformKey|tot=9|DC|GBA|GCN|N64|PS1|PS2|Win|Xbox}}
*January 4 - ''[[RuneScape]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*January 21 - ''[[Phantasy Star Online]]'' ([[Dreamcast|DC]])
*February 5 - ''[[Paper Mario]]'' ([[Nintendo 64|N64]])
*February 7 - ''[[Clive Barker's Undying]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*February 16 - ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' (PAL & [[Europe]]) ([[Playstation 1|PS1]]) PAL & Europe
*March 5 - ''[[Conker's Bad Fur Day]]'' ([[Nintendo 64|N64]])
*March 9 - ''[[Sonic Shuffle]]'' ([[Dreamcast|DC]])
*March 13 - ''[[Onimusha: Warlords]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*March 21 - ''[[Serious Sam#First Encounter|Serious Sam: The First Encounter]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*March 25 - ''[[Black & White (game)|Black & White]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*May 22 - ''[[Red Faction]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*June 5 - ''[[Sonic Adventure 2]]'' ([[Dreamcast|DC]])
*June 8 - ''[[Castlevania: Circle of the Moon]]'' ([[Game Boy Advance|GBA]])
*June 11 - ''[[Super Mario Advance]]'' ([[Game Boy Advance|GBA]])
*June 18 - ''[[Twisted Metal: Black]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*June 21 - ''[[Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*June 22 - ''[[Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*June 29 - ''[[Final Fantasy Chronicles]]'' ([[PlayStation|PS1]])
*July 10 - ''[[Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*July 19 - ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*July 23 - ''[[Max Payne]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*August 21 - ''[[Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*August 27 - ''[[Mario Kart Super Circuit]]'' ([[Game Boy Advance|GBA]])
*August 29 - ''[[Alchemy (game)|Alchemy]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*September 9 - ''[[Advance Wars]]'' ([[Game Boy Advance|GBA]])
*September 24 - ''[[Silent Hill 2]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*September 30 - ''[[Ico (video game)|Ico]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*October 17 - ''[[Devil May Cry]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*October 22 - ''[[Grand Theft Auto III]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*October 28 - ''[[Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])([[Nintendo GameCube|GC]])
*October 30 - ''[[Civilization III]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*November 1 - ''[[Dragon Warrior VII]]'' ([[PlayStation|PS1]])
*November 5 - ''[[SSX Tricky]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]], [[Nintendo GameCube|GC]], [[Xbox]])
*November 9 - ''[[Project Gotham Racing]]'' ([[Xbox]])
*November 11 - ''[[Golden Sun]]'' ([[Game Boy Advance|GBA]])
*November 12 - ''[[Empire Earth]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*November 15 - ''[[Dead or Alive 3]]'' ([[Xbox]])
*November 14 - ''[[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*November 15 - ''[[Halo: Combat Evolved]]'' ([[Xbox]])
*November 17 - ''[[Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader]]'' ([[Nintendo GameCube|GC]])
*November 18 - ''[[Super Monkey Ball]]'' ([[Nintendo GameCube|GC]])
*November 18 - ''[[IL-2 Sturmovik (video game)|IL-2 Sturmovik]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*November 20 - ''[[FreQuency]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*November 20 - ''[[Return to Castle Wolfenstein]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*December 3 - ''[[Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*December 3 - ''[[Pikmin]]'' ([[Nintendo GameCube|GC]])
*December 3 - ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'' ([[Nintendo GameCube|GC]])
*December 4 - ''[[Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy]] '' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*December 17 -''[[Luigi's Mansion]] '' ([[Nintendo Gamecube|GC]])
*December 20 - ''[[Final Fantasy X]] '' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])

==Trends==
===Video game consoles===
The dominant [[video game console]]s in 2001 were:
*[[Sony]]'s [[PlayStation 2]]

Additionally, [[Nintendo]] released the [[Nintendo GameCube]] on September 14 in [[Japan]] ([[United States|U.S.]] on November 11 and in [[Europe]] on May 3, 2002). [[Microsoft]] released the [[Xbox]] video game console in the [[United States|U.S.]] on November 15 (in Europe on March 14, 2002).

<gallery>
Image:NGC Gamecube.jpg|The [[Nintendo GameCube]]
Image:Xbox_and_controller.jpeg|The [[Microsoft]] [[Xbox]]
</gallery>

===Handheld game systems===
The dominant [[Handheld game console|handheld systems]] in 2001 were:
*[[Nintendo]]'s [[Game Boy Color]]

Additionally, [[Nintendo]] released the [[Game Boy Advance]] (GBA) in [[Japan]] on March 21 (in the [[United States|U.S.]] on June 11 and Europe on June 22).

<gallery>
Image:Gba.jpg|The [[Game Boy Advance]]
</gallery>

===Video game sales===
The top 10 selling console video games in 2001 in the [[United States]] ranked by units sold, according to [http://www.npd.com/dynamic/releases/press_020207.htm NPD], were:

{| class="wikitable"
|+ align=top | '''Top Grossing Video Games of 2001'''
!Rank
!width="225"|Title
!Platform
!width="150"|Publisher
|-
|1 || ''[[Grand Theft Auto III]]'' || [[PlayStation 2|PS2]] || [[Rockstar Games]]
|-
|2 || ''[[Madden NFL 2002]]'' || PS2 || [[Electronic Arts]]
|-
|3 || ''[[Pokémon Crystal]]'' || [[Game Boy Color|GBC]] || [[Nintendo]]
|-
|4 || ''[[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'' || PS2 || [[Konami]]
|-
|5 || ''[[Super Mario Advance]]'' || [[Game Boy Advance|GBA]] || Nintendo
|-
|6 || ''[[Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec]]'' || PS2 || [[Sony Computer Entertainment|Sony]]
|-
|7 || ''[[Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3]]'' || PS2 || [[Activision]]
|-
|8 || ''[[Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2]]'' || [[PlayStation|PS1]] || Activision
|-
|9 || ''[[Pokémon Silver]]'' || GBC || Nintendo
|-
|10 || ''[[Driver 2]]'' || PS1 || [[Infogrames]]
|}

===Computer game sales===
The top 10 selling computer games in 2001 in the [[United States]] ranked by units sold, according to [http://www.npd.com/dynamic/releases/press_020207.htm NPD], were:

{| class="wikitable"
|+ align=top | '''Top Grossing Computer Games of 2001'''
!Rank
!width="225"|Title
!width="150"|Publisher
|-
|1 || ''[[The Sims]]'' || [[Electronic Arts]]
|-
|2 || ''[[Roller Coaster Tycoon]]'' || [[Infogrames]]
|-
|3 || ''[[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (game)|Harry Potter & The Sorcerer's Stone]]'' || Electronic Arts
|-
|4 || ''[[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction]]'' || [[Vivendi Universal]]
|-
|5 || ''[[The Sims: House Party]]'' || Electronic Arts
|-
|6 || ''[[The Sims: Livin' Large]]'' || Electronic Arts
|-
|7 || ''[[The Sims: Hot Date]]'' || Electronic Arts
|-
|8 || ''[[Diablo II]]'' || Vivendi Universal
|-
|9 || ''[[Theme Park World|Sim Theme Park]]'' || Electronic Arts
|-
|10 || ''[[Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings]]'' || [[Microsoft]]
|}

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2001 in video games

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{{Year nav topic2|2001|video gaming}}

==Events==
* [[Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences]] hosts the 4th Annual [[Interactive Achievement Awards]]; inducts [[John D. Carmack|John Carmack]] of [[id Software]] to the [[AIAS Hall of Fame]]
*[[British Academy of Film and Television Arts]] (BAFTA) hosts the 4th annual [[BAFTA Interactive Entertainment Awards]] for multimedia technologies; 15 of 21 awards go to video games
* May 17-19 — 7th annual [[Electronic Entertainment Expo]] (E3); the 4th annual [[Game Critics Awards]] For The Best Of E3
* July - [[IEMA]] (Interactive Entertainment Merchants Association) hosts 2nd annual [[Executive Summit]]
* [[Gama Network]] hosts the 3rd annual [[Independent Games Festival]] (IGF)
* [[Game Developers Conference]] hosts the 1st annual [[Game Developers Choice Awards]]
* Reuters reports that the [[Dreamcast]] console has an estimated 800,000 online users playing its various online games already by midyear
** reports that [[Sony]] Computer Entertainment (SCE) and [[Sega]] are cooperating to allow online users for the [[PlayStation 2]] and [[Dreamcast]] consoles to play each other via the 1st ever cross-console network
* [[Sony]] cooperates with [[AOL]] to incorporate Internet features with the [[PlayStation 2]] console; which include a browser, email, and instant messaging capabilities
* 2nd annual Dreamcast Championships (featuring the ''[[Crazy Taxi 2]]'' video game)
** 1st place: Lindsay Gall ($15,000 & Jamaica resort trip)
** 2nd place: Michael Pirring ($10,000)
** 3rd place: Roger Mogle ($5,000)
* Nikkei News reports that the video game ''[[Phantasy Star Online]]'' (for [[Dreamcast]]) has had 300,000 worldwide users login already by midyear
* December 31 — [[Jez San]] is awarded an [[Order of the British Empire|OBE]] in the New Year Honours, becoming the first person awarded specifically for services to [[video game]]s.

===Business===
*[[Sega]] announces that it will no longer develop home consoles, in order to focus on game development. The [[Dreamcast]] is waiting to finish the production in May. But a lot of games were released for it in the same year.
*[[Zylom]] founded in [[Eindhoven]], the [[Netherlands]].
*[[Indrema]] in April closes and its [[L600]] Entertainment System multimedia home console is never released.
*[[Activision]] acquires [[Treyarch]] Invention LLC
*[[PCCW]] (Pacific Century CyberWorks Japan Co., Ltd.) acquires [[VR1]] Entertainment
*[[Midway Games]] announces that it will no longer manufacture arcade games.
*August — [[Loki Software]] declares Chapter 11 Bankruptcy over internal financial troubles, before going defunct next January. In response [[Michael Simms (software developer)|Michael Simms]] of the Tux Games retailer and former Loki [[game tester]] founds [[Linux Game Publishing]] alongside ex-Loki employee Mike Philips on October 15th to keep games coming to [[Linux]].
*November 23 — [[GamePark]] releases the [[GP32]] (GamePark 32) wireless-multiplayer multimedia handheld console in [[South Korea]]
*December — [[Panasonic]]'s [[Q multimedia console]]

===Lawsuits===
*Sega of America Inc. v. [[Kmart]] Corporation; Sega sues Kmart over an unpaid debt of over USD$2 million dollars
*[[Uri Geller]] v. Nintendo; Geller sues Nintendo over his resemblance to a [[Pokémon]] character. The suit is dismissed.

===Notable releases===
{{GamePlatformKey|tot=9|DC|GBA|GCN|N64|PS1|PS2|Win|Xbox}}
*January 4 - ''[[RuneScape]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*January 21 - ''[[Phantasy Star Online]]'' ([[Dreamcast|DC]])
*February 5 - ''[[Paper Mario]]'' ([[Nintendo 64|N64]])
*February 7 - ''[[Clive Barker's Undying]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*February 16 - ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' (PAL & [[Europe]]) ([[Playstation 1|PS1]]) PAL & Europe
*March 5 - ''[[Conker's Bad Fur Day]]'' ([[Nintendo 64|N64]])
*March 9 - ''[[Sonic Shuffle]]'' ([[Dreamcast|DC]])
*March 13 - ''[[Onimusha: Warlords]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*March 21 - ''[[Serious Sam#First Encounter|Serious Sam: The First Encounter]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*March 25 - ''[[Black & White (game)|Black & White]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*May 22 - ''[[Red Faction]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*June 5 - ''[[Sonic Adventure 2]]'' ([[Dreamcast|DC]])
*June 8 - ''[[Castlevania: Circle of the Moon]]'' ([[Game Boy Advance|GBA]])
*June 11 - ''[[Super Mario Advance]]'' ([[Game Boy Advance|GBA]])
*June 18 - ''[[Twisted Metal: Black]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*June 21 - ''[[Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*June 22 - ''[[Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*June 29 - ''[[Final Fantasy Chronicles]]'' ([[PlayStation|PS1]])
*July 10 - ''[[Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*July 19 - ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*July 23 - ''[[Max Payne]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*August 21 - ''[[Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*August 27 - ''[[Mario Kart Super Circuit]]'' ([[Game Boy Advance|GBA]])
*August 29 - ''[[Alchemy (game)|Alchemy]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*September 9 - ''[[Advance Wars]]'' ([[Game Boy Advance|GBA]])
*September 24 - ''[[Silent Hill 2]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*September 30 - ''[[Ico (video game)|Ico]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*October 17 - ''[[Devil May Cry]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*October 22 - ''[[Grand Theft Auto III]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*October 28 - ''[[Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])([[[Nintendo GameCube|GC]])
*October 30 - ''[[Civilization III]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*November 1 - ''[[Dragon Warrior VII]]'' ([[PlayStation|PS1]])
*November 5 - ''[[SSX Tricky]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]], [[Nintendo GameCube|GC]], [[Xbox]])
*November 9 - ''[[Project Gotham Racing]]'' ([[Xbox]])
*November 11 - ''[[Golden Sun]]'' ([[Game Boy Advance|GBA]])
*November 12 - ''[[Empire Earth]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*November 15 - ''[[Dead or Alive 3]]'' ([[Xbox]])
*November 14 - ''[[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*November 15 - ''[[Halo: Combat Evolved]]'' ([[Xbox]])
*November 17 - ''[[Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader]]'' ([[Nintendo GameCube|GC]])
*November 18 - ''[[Super Monkey Ball]]'' ([[Nintendo GameCube|GC]])
*November 18 - ''[[IL-2 Sturmovik (video game)|IL-2 Sturmovik]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*November 20 - ''[[FreQuency]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*November 20 - ''[[Return to Castle Wolfenstein]]'' ([[Personal computer|PC]])
*December 3 - ''[[Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance]]'' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*December 3 - ''[[Pikmin]]'' ([[Nintendo GameCube|GC]])
*December 3 - ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'' ([[Nintendo GameCube|GC]])
*December 4 - ''[[Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy]] '' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])
*December 17 -''[[Luigi's Mansion]] '' ([Nintendo Gamecube|GC]])
*December 20 - ''[[Final Fantasy X]] '' ([[PlayStation 2|PS2]])

==Trends==
===Video game consoles===
The dominant [[video game console]]s in 2001 were:
*[[Sony]]'s [[PlayStation 2]]

Additionally, [[Nintendo]] released the [[Nintendo GameCube]] on September 14 in [[Japan]] ([[United States|U.S.]] on November 11 and in [[Europe]] on May 3, 2002). [[Microsoft]] released the [[Xbox]] video game console in the [[United States|U.S.]] on November 15 (in Europe on March 14, 2002).

<gallery>
Image:NGC Gamecube.jpg|The [[Nintendo GameCube]]
Image:Xbox_and_controller.jpeg|The [[Microsoft]] [[Xbox]]
</gallery>

===Handheld game systems===
The dominant [[Handheld game console|handheld systems]] in 2001 were:
*[[Nintendo]]'s [[Game Boy Color]]

Additionally, [[Nintendo]] released the [[Game Boy Advance]] (GBA) in [[Japan]] on March 21 (in the [[United States|U.S.]] on June 11 and Europe on June 22).

<gallery>
Image:Gba.jpg|The [[Game Boy Advance]]
</gallery>

===Video game sales===
The top 10 selling console video games in 2001 in the [[United States]] ranked by units sold, according to [http://www.npd.com/dynamic/releases/press_020207.htm NPD], were:

{| class="wikitable"
|+ align=top | '''Top Grossing Video Games of 2001'''
!Rank
!width="225"|Title
!Platform
!width="150"|Publisher
|-
|1 || ''[[Grand Theft Auto III]]'' || [[PlayStation 2|PS2]] || [[Rockstar Games]]
|-
|2 || ''[[Madden NFL 2002]]'' || PS2 || [[Electronic Arts]]
|-
|3 || ''[[Pokémon Crystal]]'' || [[Game Boy Color|GBC]] || [[Nintendo]]
|-
|4 || ''[[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'' || PS2 || [[Konami]]
|-
|5 || ''[[Super Mario Advance]]'' || [[Game Boy Advance|GBA]] || Nintendo
|-
|6 || ''[[Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec]]'' || PS2 || [[Sony Computer Entertainment|Sony]]
|-
|7 || ''[[Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3]]'' || PS2 || [[Activision]]
|-
|8 || ''[[Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2]]'' || [[PlayStation|PS1]] || Activision
|-
|9 || ''[[Pokémon Silver]]'' || GBC || Nintendo
|-
|10 || ''[[Driver 2]]'' || PS1 || [[Infogrames]]
|}

===Computer game sales===
The top 10 selling computer games in 2001 in the [[United States]] ranked by units sold, according to [http://www.npd.com/dynamic/releases/press_020207.htm NPD], were:

{| class="wikitable"
|+ align=top | '''Top Grossing Computer Games of 2001'''
!Rank
!width="225"|Title
!width="150"|Publisher
|-
|1 || ''[[The Sims]]'' || [[Electronic Arts]]
|-
|2 || ''[[Roller Coaster Tycoon]]'' || [[Infogrames]]
|-
|3 || ''[[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (game)|Harry Potter & The Sorcerer's Stone]]'' || Electronic Arts
|-
|4 || ''[[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction]]'' || [[Vivendi Universal]]
|-
|5 || ''[[The Sims: House Party]]'' || Electronic Arts
|-
|6 || ''[[The Sims: Livin' Large]]'' || Electronic Arts
|-
|7 || ''[[The Sims: Hot Date]]'' || Electronic Arts
|-
|8 || ''[[Diablo II]]'' || Vivendi Universal
|-
|9 || ''[[Theme Park World|Sim Theme Park]]'' || Electronic Arts
|-
|10 || ''[[Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings]]'' || [[Microsoft]]
|}

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Piraeus Bank

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{{Refimprove|date=December 2008}}
{{Infobox company
| company_name = Piraeus Bank S.A. Τράπεζα Πειραιώς Α.Ε.
| company_logo = [[Image:Piraeus Bank.svg|210px]]
| company_type = [[S.A. (corporation)|Anonymi Etairia]] ({{Athex|TPEIR}})
| foundation = 1916
| founder =
| location_city = [[Athens]]
| location_country = [[Greece]]
| key_people = Michael Sallas ([[Chairman]] and [[chief executive officer|CEO]])
| industry = [[Financial services]]
| products = [[Retail banking|Retail]], [[private bank|private]], [[investment banking|investment]] and [[commercial bank]]ing, [[Investment management|asset management]]
| revenue = €1.663 billion (2009)<ref name="AR2009">{{cite web |url=http://www.piraeusbank.gr/Documents/internet/ConsolidatedCo2010/12M_PB_en.pdf |title=Annual Report 2009 |accessdate=2010-04-27 |publisher=Piraeus Bank}}</ref>
| net_income = €201.7 million (2009)<ref name="AR2009" />
| assets = €54.28 billion (2009)<ref name="AR2009" />
| equity = €3.466 billion (2009)<ref name="AR2009" />
| num_employees = 13,420 (2009)<ref name="AR2009" />
| divisions =
| subsid =
| homepage = [http://www.piraeusbank.gr/echome.asp?lang=2 www.piraeusbank.gr]
| intl = yes
}}

'''Piraeus Bank Group''', is a [[Greece|Greek]] bank founded in 1916, that went through a period of state ownership and management (1975-1991) before it was privatised in December 1991. Since then, it has continuously grown in size and activities. The Piraeus Bank group of companies engages in financial and banking activities not only in Greece, but also in the areas of Southeastern Europe and the Eastern Mediterranean, as well as the financial centres of London and New York. Piraeus Bank Group engages in retail banking, the financing of small & medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), capital markets, investment banking, leasing, real estate and financing of the shipping sector.

Piraeus Bank Group has a constantly expanding network with more than 300 branches in Greece, 14 branches in New York, 1 in the UK, 180 branches in Romania, 72 in Bulgaria, 38 in Albania, 38 in Serbia and 40 in Egypt. Piraeus Bank Group recently acquired a [[Ukraine|Ukrainian]] Bank. In addition, Piraeus Bank operates a representative office in [[Moscow]].

==History==

*1916: A group of shipowners founded Banque du Piree ([[Piraeus]] Bank; BP) to finance trade.
*1975: BP came under government ownership.
*1991: The government privatized BP and the bank changed its name to Piraeus Bank (PB).
*1998: PB absorbed the activities of [[Chase Manhattan Bank]] (2 branches) in Greece, and [[Crédit Lyonnais]] Greece. It also acquired 37% of [[Macedonia (Greece)|Macedonia]]-[[Thrace]] Bank from [[National Bank of Greece]] in a privatization.
*1999: PB acquired 35% of [[Chios|Xios]] Bank. PB also absorbed the activities of [[National Westminster Bank]] in Greece.
*2000: PB merged in Macedonia-Thrace Bank and Xios Bank.
*2002: PB acquired 58% of ETBA Bank (Hellenic Industrial Development Bank) from the Greek government with a view to merging it. PB also entered into a strategic alliance with [[ING Group]], which took a 5% stake in PB.
*2003: PB absorbed ETBA.
*2006: PB sold back to ING its stake in a jointly-owned mutual funds company. Cooperation continues via the bank-assurance company ING-PIRAEUS.
*2007: Bank of Piraeus reached [[Contract|agreement]] with the Avis group to acquire 100 pct of Avis Rent-A-Car Hellas for 25.5 mln eur. Brokers{{Who|date=December 2008}} said that this purchase will create synergies for the group leasing subsidiary, Piraeus Leasing, by adding a car fleet valued at 200 mln eur to its long-term leasing business.

===International expansion===
*1995: PB established [[Piraeus Bank Romania]].
*1996: PB established [[Tirana]] Bank. This was the first privately owned banking institution in [[Albania]] and now has over 35 branches.
*1999: with its acquisition of Xiosbank, PB took over Xios's branch in [[Sofia]], [[Bulgaria]], and PB now has some 15 branches in the country. PB also acquired Marathon National Bank of [[Astoria, Queens|Astoria]], New York, which has branches in Astoria and nearby towns. Astoria is a town with a large population of Greek descent. That same year, PB established a branch in [[London]].
*2000: PB acquires Pater Bank in [[Romania]] from [[Budapest]] Bank. Pater Bank targeted Hungarians living in Romania.
*2003: PB acquired Interbank N.Y., which operated a network of 5 branches in New York City, and specifically in Brooklyn, Astoria, Queens, as well as in Park Avenue, downtown Manhattan. PB then merged Interbank with Marathon National.
*2005: PB acquired [[Belgrade]]-based Atlas banka in [[Serbia]] and renamed it Piraeus Bank Beograd. PB acquired Eurobank in Bulgaria and subsequently merged it into Piraeus Bank Bulgaria. PB acquired Egyptian Commercial Bank in Egypt and renamed it Piraeus Bank Egypt.
*2007: PB completed the acquisition of International Commerce Bank in the Ukraine and changed the name to Pireaus Bank.
*2007: PB purchased the Cyprus arm of [[Arab Bank]] and renamed it Pireaus Bank (Cyprus).<ref>{{cite news | first= | last= | coauthors= | title=Greek Bank of Piraeus to buy Arab Bank network in Cyprus for 15 mln eur | date=10 December 2007 | publisher= | url =http://www.hemscott.com/news/latest-news/item.do?newsId=56416543023063 | work =Hemscott | pages = | accessdate = 2007-12-11 | language = }}</ref>
*2007: On 13 September Piraeus Bank S.A. completed its acquisition of 99.6% of the share capital of ''International Commercial Bank'' in the [[Ukraine]]. In early 2008 PB changed the name to Bank of Piraeus ICB.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*{{Official|http://www.piraeusbank.gr}}

{{Athex 20 companies}}
{{Members of Euro Banking Association}}

[[Category:Banks of Greece]]

[[de:Piräus Bank]]
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[[uk:Piraeus Bank]]

Kitron

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{{Mergeto|Greek citron|date=February 2008}}
'''Kitron''' is a [[lemon liqueur]] produced on the Greek island of [[Naxos, Greece|Naxos]]. It is made from the fruit and leaves of the [[citron]] tree, which is similar to the [[lemon]] tree but stronger and slightly different in taste.

Kitron comes in three varieties. The green variety is sweeter and contains less [[alcohol]]. The yellow variety is the strongest and has the least [[sugar]]. Clear Kitron is somewhere in-between, and is perhaps the best for a new drinker to sample.

The drink was briefly fashionable during the early [[1980s|eighties]], but is difficult to find today outside of Naxos due to a shortage of the citron trees.

The first distillery was established in 1896 in the village of Halki.

Kitron is also kitron.fr [http://www.kitron.fr]
[[Category:Greek cuisine]]
[[Category:Fruit liqueurs]]

[[el:Κίτρον]]
[[nl:Kitron]]

Rakomelo

2010-08-06T21:26:42Z

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{{Orphan|date=January 2008}}
{{Unreferenced|date=October 2007}}

'''Rakomelo''' ({{lang-el|'''ρακόμελο'''}} (or ''racomelo'') from raki (ρακί) + meli (μέλι), meaning [[honey]]) is an alcoholic drink produced from honey (fermentation of the sugars of honey).

It is made by combining [[tsikoudia|raki]] or [[Tsipouro]] with honey and several spices, such as [[cinnamon]], [[cardamom]], or other regional herbs. It is produced in [[Crete]] and other islands of the [[Aegean Sea]] and on the Greek mainland, chiefly consumed during the winter as a warm drink. This is not to be confused with baked raki, which is a regional drink of the island of [[Amorgos]] that is made from raki and [[sugar]].

==External links==
* [http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink1t5s453.html drinkmixer.com] Recipe

[[Category:Greek cuisine]]
[[Category:Mixed drinks]]

{{mixed-drink-stub}}

[[ca:Rakómelo]]
[[el:Ρακόμελο]]

Graviera

2010-08-06T21:18:25Z

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{{Infobox Cheese
| name = Graviera
| othernames =
| country = [[Roman Empire]]
| regiontown =
| region = [[Crete]]
| town =
| source = [[sheep]]
| pasteurised = Yes
| texture = cooked, pressed, hard
| fat =
| protein =
| dimensions =
| weight =
| aging = 5-12 months
| certification = [[Greece|Greek]] [[Protected Designation of Origin|PDO]] 2001
}}

Graviera (Greek: γραβιέρα, pronounced "ghrahv-YAIR-ah") is a cheese from [[Greece]] mainly produced on the Greek island of Crete. It is not to be confused with the French cheese [[gruyère]], which is a related cheese that in some languages has a name similar to Graviera.

Graviera is Greece’s second most popular after [[feta]]. Made in wheels, the rind of the hard cheese is marked with the characteristic crisscross pattern of its draining cloth. There are various types of Graviera produced in Greece. Graviera of Crete is made from sheep’s milk and ripened for at least five months. It’s slightly sweet, with a pleasant burnt caramel flavor.

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Byzantine gardens

2010-08-02T16:41:59Z

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{{Byzantine culture}}
[[Byzantium]] undoubtedly occupies an important place in the history of garden design. The city, which became [[Istanbul]], was capital of the [[Eastern Roman Empire]] and survived for a thousand years after the fall of the [[Western Roman Empire]]. The gardens of Byzantium were however mostly destroyed after the fifteenth century Turkish conquest.

Byzantine gardens were based largely on Roman ideas emphasizing elaborate [[mosaic]] designs, a typical classical feature of neatly arrayed trees as well as man made structures such as fountains and small [[shrines]] which gradually grew to become more elaborate as time progressed. Byzantine gardens developed a distinct style of their own however, drawing upon Oriental, and in particular [[Islamic]] influences of the time from the near East and North Africa. Some elements of Moorish influence are somewhat tangible, particularly concerning the aforementioned fountain design, but also [[Persian Gardens]] had a distinct influence, emphasizing a common theme in [[Byzantine Empire|Byzantine Culture]], that of the clash of colours.

Little else is known about Byzantine gardens however, and very few references, let alone entire Treatises exist on the subject. The Byzantines, like their Greco-Roman predecessors, attached great importantance to such matters of [[aesthetics]], but throughout the whole of [[Greco-Roman]] History the [[Garden]] never seemed to occupy the place of prestige in its culture that it occupied in the East, as their roots are largely drawn from the more practical purposes of [[Olive Tree]] groves.

==See also==
*[[History of gardening|History of Gardening]]
*[[Persian Gardens]]
*[[Roman gardens]]
[[Image:Enghien 050918 (21).jpg|right|thumb|A modern bronze copy of a [[Greek Art|Greek]] garden statue, the type of which survived well into [[Late Antiquity]].]]

==References==
===Notes===
{{reflist}}
===Bibliography===
*
===External links===
*http://www.gardenvisit.com/got/5/islamic_garden_history.htm Marie-Luise Gothein's history of ''Byzantine Gardens'']
*[http://www.doaks.org/LIBGE.html Byzantine Garden Culture]
*[http://livingpast.com/garden.html Private gardens in Byzantine Constantinople]
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Church of Panagia Chalkeon

2010-08-02T11:16:37Z

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{{Infobox World Heritage Site
|Name = Paleochristian and Byzantine Monuments of Thessalonika
|Image = [[Image:THES Panaghia Chalkeon 5944.JPG|250px]] The Church of Panagia Chalkeon
|State_Party = {{GRE}}
|Type = Cultural
|Criteria = i, ii, iv
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The '''Church of Panagia Chalkeon''' ({{lang-el|{{Polytonic|Παναγία τῶν Χαλκέων}}}}) is an 11th-century [[Byzantine]] church in the northern [[Greece|Greek]] city of [[Thessaloniki]].

==Location==
The church is located at Dikastirion Square, north of the [[Via Egnatia]] at the point where it crosses the Aristotelous Avenue, which leads to the [[Aristotelous Square]]. The archaeological site of the city's Roman forum is located northeast, while its name, which translates as "the Virgin of the Copper-smiths", derives from its proximity to the area traditionally occupied by the city's [[coppersmith]]s.<ref name="Ministry">{{Citation | title=Παναγία των Χαλκέων, Θεσσαλονίκη | language=Greek | work=Hellenic Ministry of Culture | url=http://odysseus.culture.gr | accessdate=21-04-2010}}</ref>

==History and description==
According to the founder's inscription above the west entrance, the church was built in 1028 by the ''[[protospatharios]]'' Christopher, ''[[katepano]]'' of [[Longobardia]], and his wife Maria, son Nikephoros and two daughters, Anna and Katakale. Christopher's tomb was probably located in an [[arcosolium]] on the church's northern wall.<ref name="Ministry"/><ref name="ODB">{{citation | editor-first = Alexander | editor-last = Kazhdan |editor-link=Alexander Kazhdan | title = [[Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium]] | publisher = Oxford University Press | year = 1991 | isbn = 978-0-19-504652-6 | page=1569}}</ref>

The ground plan is that of a classic "[[cross-in-square]]-form" typical of [[Macedonian dynasty|Macedonian]]-period architecture, with four columns and three domes, one central and two over the [[narthex]]. The entire building is built of [[brick]]s, which gave it the popular nickname "Red Church" (Κόκκινη Εκκλησιά). The exterior is enlivened with a variety of arches and [[pilaster]]s, elements which can be traced to [[Constantinople|Constantinopolitan]] influence. The use of arches with several [[setback (architecture)|setback]]s gives the building a "sculpted" appearance.
In the interior, most of the carved marble decoration, as well as [[fresco]]es from the 11th and 14th centuries have been preserved.<ref name="Ministry"/><ref name="ODB"/>

With the [[Siege of Thessalonica (1422–1430)|conquest]] of the city in 1430 by the [[Ottoman Turks]], the church was turned into a mosque, named '''Kazancilar Camii''' ("Mosque of the Cauldron-Merchants").<ref name="Ministry"/>

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
{{Commonscat-inline|Church of Panagia Chalkeon, Thessaloniki}}

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Hagia Sophia, Thessaloniki

2010-08-01T12:23:00Z

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{{Infobox World Heritage Site
|Name = Paleochristian and Byzantine Monuments of Thessalonika
|Image = [[Image:Hagiasophiathessa.jpg|300px]] The Hagia Sophia
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|Type = Cultural
|Criteria = i, ii, iv
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The '''Hagia Sophia''' ([[Greek language|Greek]]: {{Unicode|Ἁγία Σοφία}}; '''Holy Wisdom''') in [[Thessaloniki]], [[Greece]], is one of the oldest churches in that city still standing today.

==History==
As far back as the 3rd century, there was a church in the location of the current Hagia Sophia. In the 8th century, the present structure was erected, based on the [[Hagia Sophia]] in [[Constantinople]] (present-day [[Istanbul]], [[Turkey]]). In [[1205]], when the [[Fourth Crusade]] captured the city, the Hagia Sophia was converted into the [[cathedral]] of Thessaloniki, which it remained after the city was returned to the [[Byzantine Empire]] in [[1246]]. After the capture of Thessaloniki by the Ottoman Sultan [[Murad II]] on 29 March 1430, the church was converted into a mosque <ref name="UN">UNESCO, Advisory Body Evaluation, World Heritage List [http://whc.unesco.org/archive/advisory_body_evaluation/456.pdf No. 456]</ref>.

Its ground plan is that of a [[dome|domed]] Greek cross [[basilica]]. Together with the [[Gül Mosque|Gül]] and the [[Kalenderhane Mosque]]s in [[Istanbul]] and the destroyed Church of the [[Dormition of the Theotokos|Dormition]] in [[Iznik|Nicaea]], it represents one of the main architectural examples of this type, typical of the [[byzantine Architecture|Byzantine middle period]] <ref>Krautheimer,317</ref>.

[[Image:07Thessaloniki Agia Sophia09.jpg|thumb|left|Interior of Hagia Sophia, here shown prepared for a wedding.]]

In the [[Iconoclasm|Iconoclastic]] era the [[apse]] of the church was embellished with plain gold [[mosaics]] with only one great cross, similarly to the [[Hagia Irene]] in Constantinople and the Church of the Dormition in Nicaea. The cross was substituted with the image of the [[Theotokos]] in 787-797 after the victory of the [[Iconodules]]. The mosaic in the dome now represents the [[Ascension of Jesus Christ]] with the inscription from [[Acts of the Apostles|Acts]] 1:11 "''Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?''". The dome is ringed by the figures of all [[Twelve Apostles]], the [[Mary (mother of Jesus)|Virgin Mary]] and two angels.

Much of the interior decoration was plastered over after the [[Great Thessaloniki Fire of 1917]], and the dome was restored in [[1980]].<ref>[http://www.roughguides.com/website/travel/destination/content/default.aspx?titleid=78&xid=idh591661208_0495 Ayía Sofía]</ref>

Hagia Sophia is part of the site '''Palaeochristian and [[Byzantine]] Monuments of Thessaloniki''' on the list of [[World Heritage Sites]] by [[United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization|UNESCO]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

==Bibliography==
*{{cite book |author=Krautheimer, Richard |title=Architettura paleocristiana e bizantina |publisher=Einaudi, Turin |year=1986}}

==External links==
{{commonscat|Church of Holy Wisdom, Thessaloniki}}
*[http://odysseus.culture.gr/h/2/eh251.jsp?obj_id=1661 Hellenic Ministry of Culture]

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[[Category:Churches in Greece]]
[[Category:World Heritage Sites in Greece]]
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[[Category:Christianity in Late Roman Thessalonica]]
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Keratosis pilaris

2010-07-30T13:09:39Z

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'''Keratosis pilaris''' ('''KP''', also '''follicular keratosis''') is a very common [[genetics|genetic]] [[Hair follicle|follicular]] condition that is manifested by the appearance of rough bumps on the skin. It most often appears on the back and outer sides of the upper arms (though the lower arms can also be affected), and can also occur on the [[thigh]]s, [[hands]], and tops of [[leg]]s, [[flank]]s, [[buttocks]], or any body part except [[glabrous]] skin (like the palms or soles of feet).<ref>{{cite news | first=Nili | last=Alai | coauthors= | title=Keratosis Pilaris (KP) | date= | publisher= | url =http://www.medicinenet.com/keratosis_pilaris/article.htm | work = MedicineNet | pages = | accessdate = 2008-10-06 | language = }}</ref> Less commonly, lesions appear on the [[face]], which may be mistaken for [[acne]].<ref>{{cite news | first=Kevin | last=Berman | coauthors= | title=Keratosis pilaris | date= | publisher= | url =http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001462.htm | work =MedlinePlus | pages = | accessdate = 2008-06-19 | language = }}</ref>

==Classification==
Worldwide, KP affects an estimated 40% of the adult population and approximately 50%-80% of all [[adolescent]]s. It is more common in women than in men.<ref>{{cite news | first=Nili | last=Alai | coauthors=Arash Michael Saemi,Raul Del Rosario | title=Keratosis Pilaris | date= | publisher= | url =http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic211.htm | work =eMedicine | pages = | accessdate = 2008-19-20 | language = }}</ref>

There are several different types of keratosis pilaris, including ''keratosis pilaris rubra'' (red, inflamed bumps which can be on arms, head, legs), ''keratosis pilaris alba'' (rough, bumpy skin with no irritation), ''keratosis pilaris rubra faceii'' (reddish rash on the cheeks), and related disorders.

While KP resembles [[goose bumps]], it is characterized by the appearance of small rough bumps on the skin. As a result, many people with keratosis pilaris do not know they have it, and it is often confused with [[Acne vulgaris|acne]].<ref>{{cite news | first=Karen | last=Smith | coauthors= | title=Keratosis Pilaris, KP, Chicken Skin | date=Nov. 2008 | publisher= | url =http://www.helpforkp.com/ | work =Keratosis Pilaris Help | pages = | accessdate = 2008-11-10 | language = }}</ref>

==Symptoms and signs==
Keratosis pilaris occurs when the human body produces excess [[keratin]], a natural protein in the skin. The excess keratin, which is cream colored, surrounds and entraps the [[hair follicles]] in the pore. This causes the formation of hard plugs (process known as [[hyperkeratinization]]). Bearing only cosmetic consequence, the condition most often appears as a proliferation of tiny hard bumps that are seldom sore or itchy. Though people with keratosis pilaris experience this condition year-round, it is during the colder months, when moisture levels in the air are lower, that the problem can become exacerbated and the ''[[goose bumps]]'' are apt to look and feel more pronounced in color and texture.

Many KP bumps contain an [[ingrown hair]] that has coiled. This is a result of the keratinized skin's "capping off" the hair follicle, preventing the hair from exiting. The hair grows encapsulated inside the follicle.

== See also ==
* [[Ichthyosis linearis circumflexa]]
* [[List of cutaneous conditions]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

== External links ==
* [http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/keratosis_pilaris.html The American Osteopathic College of Dermatology ] - Article on keratosis pilaris
* [http://www.keratosispilaris.org Keratosis Pilaris Community ] - Information and Support on Keratosis Pilaris
* [http://www.helpforkp.com Keratosis Pilaris :Help for KP ] - Information on keratosis pilaris
* [http://www.redbumpsonarms.com Keratosis Pilaris Treatments ] - Information on keratosis pilaris

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Molaoi

2010-07-30T11:43:02Z

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'''Molaoi''' ({{lang-el|Μολάοι}}) is a municipality in [[Laconia]], [[Greece]] 315 km south of Athens. The population in 2001 was 5,597, of which 3,021 lived in the town itself.

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.molaoi.blogspot.com/ Νews from Molaoi] {{gr icon}}
*[http://www.molaoi.net/ Molaoi.net - Information and Photos] {{gr icon}}
*[http://www.molaikos.gr/ Molaikos.gr - Local football team] {{gr icon}}
*[http://www.apoel-molaoi.gr/nea.htm APOEL-Molaoi.gr - Local sports club] {{gr icon}}

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Sigtuna

2010-07-29T17:38:36Z

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'''Sigtuna''' is a [[Urban areas in Sweden|locality]] situated in [[Sigtuna Municipality]], [[Stockholm County]], [[Sweden]] with 7,204 inhabitants in 2005.<ref name="scb" /> It is the namesake of the municipality even though the seat is in [[Märsta]].

Sigtuna is, despite its small population, for historical reasons often still referred to as a [[Stad (Sweden)|''city'']]. [[Statistics Sweden]], however, only counts [[Urban areas of Sweden|localities]] with more than 10,000 inhabitants as cities.

Although less significant today, Sigtuna has an important place in Sweden's early history. The history of Sigtuna before the 11th century, as described in the [[Norse saga]]s and other early medieval sources, can be found in the article [[Old Sigtuna]].

== Geography ==
Sigtuna is situated at the bay Skarven, stretching around [[Upplands-Bro]] and a part of [[Mälaren|Lake Mälaren]].

== History ==
[[Image:Church Sigtuna.JPG|thumb|left|Church ruins in Sigtuna]]

Sigtuna was founded on what was then the shore of Lake Mälaren just over 1,000 years ago. It took its name from an ancient royal estate (see [[Uppsala öd]]) several kilometers to the west (see [[Fornsigtuna]]). Various sources claim King [[Eric the Victorious]] as founder while others claim King [[Olof of Sweden|Olof Skötkonung]].

It operated as a royal and commercial centre for some 250 years, and was one of the most important cities of Sweden. During a brief period at the end of the 10th and beginning of the 11th century, Sweden's first coins were minted here. The old church built in the 13th century by the [[Dominican order]] at the monastery still remains, and has had few restorations. The Dominican monastery played an important role in the Swedish Middle Ages and produced many important Church officials. Among them, many [[Archbishop of Uppsala|Swedish archbishop]]s. Many church and monastery ruins still stand, and the old city structure has not been remodeled, as happened in many Swedish cities during the 1800s and 1900s.

[[Image:Sigtuna stadshus.jpg|thumb|left|Old City Hall]]

In 1187 Sigtuna was attacked by pagan raiders, perhaps from [[Estonia]], [[Courland]] or [[Karelia]]. According to the archaeologist Sten Tesch, excavations have not verified the traditions of destruction of the town. Sigtuna grew and prospered, but around the year 1300 it was surpassed in significance by Stockholm and Uppsala, and remained as a small town.

[[Image:Suecia Sigtuna.png|right|thumb|300px|Sigtuna as it looked around 1700. Engraving from [[Suecia antiqua et hodierna]].]]
The current [[coat of arms]] can be traced to the city's first known [[seal (device)|seal]], dating from 1311. According to a legend (possibly inspired by the city arms) Sigtuna was once the Royal seat, but this can not be confirmed. The crown may also symbolize the large royal [[mint_(coin)|mint]] which was located in the city. The coat of arms is since 1971 valid for the much larger [[Sigtuna Municipality]].

In the late 19th century, it still only hosted about 600 people, and was the smallest city in Sweden. The city remained insignificant until the second half of the 20th century. Much of the population growth can be related to [[Arlanda Airport]], situated some 10 km from Sigtuna.

== Twin Cities ==
* {{flagicon|Estonia}} '''[[Rakvere]]''', [[Estonia]]

== See also ==
* [[Sigtunaskolan Humanistiska Läroverket]], a famous boarding school.
* The replica of the Swedish city of Sigtuna in [[Shanghai]], [http://www.panoramio.com/photo/32888 panoramio photos of the replica]

== References ==
* {{sv icon}} [http://runeberg.org/nfce/0245.html article ''Sigtuna''] from [[Nordisk familjebok]]
{{Reflist}}

== External links ==
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*[http://www.sigtuna.se Sigtuna Municipality] - Official site

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TOEIC

2010-07-23T22:24:26Z

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'''Test of English for International Communication''' (TOEIC) measures the ability of non-native English-speaking examinees to use [[English language|English]] in everyday workplace activities.

[[Image:Copie de Toeic - 875.jpg|thumb|right|300px|'''TOEIC''' Certificate (score between 860 and 990)]]

==Overview==
The Test of English for International Communication (TOEIC) is "an English language test designed specifically to measure the everyday English skills of people working in an international environment."

It is a 2-hour multiple-choice [[Standardized test|test]] consisting of 200 questions divided into 100 questions each in [[listening]] [[comprehension]] and [[reading comprehension]]. Each candidate receives independent scores for written and listening comprehension on a scale from 5 to 495 points. The total score adds up to a scale from 10 to 990 points. The TOEIC certificate exists in five colours, corresponding to achieved results :

*      orange (10-215)
*      brown (220-465)
*      green (470-725)
*      blue (730-855)
*      gold (860-990)

==History==
The [[Educational Testing Service]] (ETS) in the [[USA]] developed the TOEIC test based on its academic ETS counterpart, the [[TOEFL]] test. The [[Asahi Shimbun]] national daily's evening edition [http://sp.toeic.or.jp/square/nt/mission/np.html] interviewed [[Yasuo Kitaoka]] (北岡靖男 ''Kitaoka Yasuo'') who was the central figure of the Japanese team that conceived the basic idea of the TOEIC test.

According to a Aug. 11, 2009 Japan Times article, "In the 1970s, Kitaoka began negotiating with ETS to create a new test of English communication for use in Japan. ETS responded that they required a nonprofit organization to work with as their partner.

Kitaoka tried to enlist the help of the Ministry of Education, but their bureaucrats actively obstructed his efforts. They didn't see the need for a new test to compete with the STEP Eiken, an English test already backed by the ministry.

To overcome this opposition, Kitaoka received help from a friend named Yaeji Watanabe. Watanabe's influence as a retired high-ranking bureaucrat from the Ministry of International Trade and Industry (renamed the Ministry of Economy, Trade, and Industry, or METI) proved crucial to TOEIC's establishment.

Watanabe had remained in contact with his old ministry while working on the board of directors for the World Economic Information Services (WEIS) and as chairman of the Japan-China Economic Association, both public-interest corporations operating under MITI. Watanabe declined an interview request, but his memoirs describe how he overcame Ministry of Education opposition to the TOEIC by taking cover "behind the ministry of trade shield."

Watanabe convinced his old ministry it should play the lead role in establishing a new English test, and formed a TOEIC Steering Committee under the WEIS umbrella. Members of the committee included other retired MITI bureaucrats and influential business leaders.

Government support secured, ETS began developing the test in 1977. In 1979, English learners in Japan filled in the first of many TOEIC multiple-choice answer forms"(Japan Times, 2009).

ETS's major competitor is Cambridge University, which administers the [[IELTS]], FCE, CAE, and CPE.

==The New TOEIC==
A new version of the TOEIC was released in 2006. The changes can be summarized as follows:
*Overall, passages have become longer.
*Part 1 has fewer questions involving photo descriptions.
*The Listening Section hires speakers of English from [[British English|Britain]], [[Australian English|Australia]], [[New Zealand English|New Zealand]] and [[American English|North America]]. The ratio is 25% each for American, Canadian, British, and Australian–New Zealand pronunciation [http://www.toeic.or.jp/toeic/new/new01.html]. However all the voice actors for the speaking test have lived in the United States for an extended period.{{Citation needed|date=April 2010}}
*Part 6 no longer contains the error-spotting task, which has been criticized as unrealistic in a corporate environment. This part instead adopts the task wherein the test taker fills in the blanks in incomplete sentences.
*Part 7 contains not only single-passage questions but also double-passage questions wherein the test taker has to read and compare the two related passages, such as e-mail correspondence.

According to a survey [http://sp.toeic.or.jp/square/nt/voice/evaluation/ove_q2.html] conducted in 2006 by {{nihongo|the Institute for International Business Communication |財団法人国際ビジネスコミュニケーション協会|Zaidanhōjin Kokusai Bijinesu Komyunikēshon Kyōkai}}, 56.8% of the respondents who took both the older and the revised versions of the TOEIC test in Japan find the latter version more difficult. The lower the score the test taker achieves, the more marked this tendency becomes. As many as 85.6% of those who earned scores ranging from 10 to 395 points find the revised TOEIC test more difficult, while 69.9% of those who earned 400 to 495 points think this way, as do 59.3% of those who earned 500 to 595 points. Among those who achieved 600 to 695 points 58.9% agree with these findings. 700 to 795 points 48.6%, 800 to 895 points 47.9%, and 900 to 990 points 39.8%.

2007 saw the added optional speaking and writing tests,there were also some changes to the reading and listening test as well that de-emphasized knowledge of grammatical rules.

==TOEIC Scandal in Japan==
The Institute for International Business Communication (IIBC), the non-profit organization that administers the TOEIC in Japan, was the subject of a scandal in 2009.

In May and June 2009, articles in the Japanese weekly magazine FRIDAY accused the IIBC’s 92 year-old Chairman Yaeji Watanabe of nepotism when he appointed the son of his girlfriend to the position of Chairman of the IIBC Board of Directors. To force the appointment, half of the volunteers serving on the Board were forced out by Watanabe. The magazine article also questioned why Watanabe only showed up for work about one day a week.

In his defense, Watanabe claimed that he held a ceremonial title and was Chairman in name only. As a result Watanabe claimed that he had little to do with the decision to appoint the son of his girlfriend to the position. The magazine article concluded by asking the rhetorical question why does someone who is chairman in name only and only working one day a week receive an annual salary in excess of 25 million yen?

In August 2009, the online version of the English-language newspaper ''The Japan Times'' published a two-part series examining the TOEIC’s origins and early history as well as the use of test-taker fees by the IIBC on the internet. The August 18th article examined the questionable uses of test-fees, including: utility expenses that increased five-fold in one year, 13 million spent annually researching adapting to Chinese culture, sponsorship of poetry readings in Japan and other countries by the Chinese Poetry Recitation Association run by the girlfriend of the IIBC Chairman, membership fees to join the Beautiful Aging Association which organizes karaoke singing outings and cooking classes for retirees. Watanabe also happens to be the BAA Chairman.

The article also questioned the relationship between the IIBC and its for-profit partner International Communications School with which it shared office space. International Communications School is responsible for selling the TOEIC Institutional Program Test given by companies and schools, and also publishes IIBC approved TOEIC preparation textbooks and administers the TOEIC Japanese language Web site. One of International Communications School subsidiaries is E-Communications, which administers the TOEIC’s online application system and provides online TOEIC study materials.

In 2009, Watanabe suddenly resigned from the IIBC, leaving the son of his girlfriend in charge of the non-profit. Watanabe received a 25 million yen retirement payment.

The IIBC lowered the price of the TOEIC Secure Program Test from 6,615 yen to 5,985 yen starting with the September 13, 2009 test. The price had to be lowered due to pressure from the Ministry of Trade which instructed the IIBC to reduce the profits being generated by the test.{{Citation needed|date=October 2009}}

==TOEIC in Japan==
The {{nihongo|Institute for International Business Communication |財団法人国際ビジネスコミュニケーション協会|Zaidanhōjin Kokusai Bijinesu Komyunikēshon Kyōkai}} operates the TOEIC test in Japan, where a total of nearly 1.5 million people take the test per year. There are two ways to take the TOEIC test proper. One is called the {{nihongo|TOEIC SP Test|Secure Program Test; 公開テスト|Kōkai Tesuto}}, in which one can take the test either individually or in a group on specified dates at a test centre specified by the TOEIC Steering Committee. The other is the {{nihongo|TOEIC IP Test|Institutional Program Test; 団体特別受験制度|Dantai Tokubetsu Juken Seido}}, in which an organization (a corporate body or an educational institution) can choose the date and administer the test at their convenience in accordance with the TOEIC Steering Committee. The TOEIC SP Test was renewed on May 2006, the TOEIC IP Test in April 2007 in line with the SP Test. More and more companies use TOEIC scores for personnel assessment instead of the homegrown [[STEP Eiken]] test organized by the {{nihongo|Society for Testing English Proficiency (STEP)|日本英語検定協会主催実用英語技能検定試験「英検」|Nihon Eigo Kentei Kyōkai Shusai Jitsuyō Eigo Ginō Kentei Shiken "Eiken"}}. The TOEIC Speaking Test / Writing Test started on Sunday 21 January 2007 in addition to the TOEIC SP Test and the TOEIC IP Test.

==TOEIC in the Republic of Korea==
Towards the end of 2005, there was a shift in [[South Korea]], regarded as the second biggest consumer of TOEIC [http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=060000&biid=2005120604498], or rather the biggest in terms of per capita consumption, away from the test as a measure of English ability on the corporate level. As noted in The [[Chosun Ilbo]] (조선일보; 朝鮮日報; Korea Daily Reports) national daily [http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200512/200512040016.html], a number of major corporations have either removed or reduced the required TOEIC score for employment. An official from the Industrial Bank of Korea (IBK; [[Kiup Bank]]; 기업은행; 中小企業銀行) says, "TOEIC isn't an appropriate indicator of actual English skills." However, a person's TOEIC score is still a major factor in hiring persons for most professional jobs in South Korea.
Starting in 2011, Korean universities will no longer be allowed to use TOEIC and TOEFL scores as part of the admission process.<ref>http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2914452</ref> This is apparently to discourage private English education (there are many private institutions that teach TOEIC-based classes). Another English proficiency test, [[TEPS]] (developed by [[Seoul National University]], Chosun Ilbo), has been developed and may replace the status of TOEIC.

==TOEIC in Europe==
In [[France]], some [[Grandes écoles]] require a TOEIC score of at least 750 to award the diploma. This policy has been criticized, as it makes state-awarded diplomas dependent on a private institution—despite the fact that it was not the private institution that set the 750 mark but a recommendation from the ''Commission des Titres d'Ingénieurs'' indicating a B2+ level on the [[Common European Framework of Reference for Languages]].
If the student cannot achieve a 750 mark, he/she is offered to validate his/her diploma by other means in most of the schools. Some institutions delay the diploma for 1 year after the end of the studies in that case.

In [[Greece]], TOEIC is accepted by [[ASEP]], the organisation responsible for hiring new employees to work for the government.

In [[Italy]], TOEIC is often used by universities as an exam to pass degree level qualifications. All universities require that the student pass an english examination to be allowed to partake in their degree course and to receive their diplomas. A TOEIC score of 450 is usually required to complete 3 years of study and a score of 600 is usually required to obtain the diploma. Many universites allow alternative qualifications form the TOEIC, such as the Cambridge certificate and TOEFL tests. Most universities do not offer either language preperation or language tests, requiring students to seek external preperation and examination for a requirment enforced by the department of education for all degrees.

==TOEIC Bridge==
ETS also administers a simplified version of the TOEIC test called TOEIC Bridge. The TOEIC Bridge test targets beginning and intermediate speakers and consists of 100 multiple-choice questions, requiring about one hour of testing time.

==See also==
* [[Educational Testing Service]]
* [[English language learning and teaching]]
* [[TOEFL]]
* [[IELTS]]

==References==
*FRIDAY (May 29, 2009)【TOEIC】《渡辺弥栄司氏・92歳》高齢会長と親密女性《顧問》「私物化経営」の実態.
*FRIDAY (June 5, 2009) TOEIC会長《渡辺弥栄司氏・92歳》「《親密》女性《顧問》の団体に予算計上の“私物化”」.
*McCrostie, James, "[http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20090811zg.html TOEIC no turkey at 30]", ''[[Japan Times]]'', August 11, 2009.
*McCrostie, James, "[http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20090818zg.html TOEIC: Where does the money go?]", ''[[Japan Times]]'', August 18, 2009.
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==External links==
* [http://www.ets.org/toeic ETS - Educational Testing Service ]
* [http://www.etscanada.ca/toeic ETS - Educational Testing Service Canada - TOEIC]
* [http://www.toeic.eu/ TOEIC Europe]
* [http://www.fr.toeic.eu/ TOEIC France]
* [http://www.uk.toeic.eu/ TOEIC GB]
* [http://www.de.toeic.eu/ TOEIC Germany]
* [http://www.english-center.co.il/ TOEIC Israel]
* [http://www.toeic.or.jp/ TOEIC Japan]
* [http://exam.ybmsisa.com/index.asp TOEIC Korea]
* [http://www.pl.toeic.eu/ TOEIC Poland]
* [http://www.sp.toeic.eu/ TOEIC Spain]
* [http://www.toeic.com.tw/ TOEIC Taiwan]
* [http://www.toeic.co.th/ TOEIC Thailand]
* [http://www.toeic-tr.com/ TOEIC Turkey]
* [http://www.toeic.com.vn/info/events.php?lang=en TOEIC Vietnam]
* [http://www.testsimulator.com/ TOEIC Preparation]
* [http://www.eflbooks.co.uk/book.php?isbn=9780462004464 Preparing for the TOEIC test]
* [https://www.ea.etsglobal.org/store/material.php?materialId=56 TOEIC Bridge Preparation]

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List of Bilderberg participants

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{{Unreferenced|date=June 2008}}[[Image:Bilderberg participants.jpg|thumb|List of Bilderberg participants from 1978 [http://www.dynbase.net/ 1]]]
[[File:Bilderberg Attendees.png|thumb|300px|Map of countries, from which persons have attended one or more conferences organized by the Bilderberg Group.]]
'''List of Bilderberg attendees''' is a list of prominent persons who have attended one or more conferences organized by the [[Bilderberg Group]]. The list is currently organized by category. It is not a complete list and it includes both living and deceased people. Where known, the year(s) they attended are denoted in brackets.

The Bilderberg Group or Bilderberg conference is an unofficial annual invitation-only [[meeting|conference]] of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of [[influence]] in the fields of [[business]], [[Mass media|media]], and [[politics]].

The [[Elitism|elite]] group meets annually at luxury hotels or resorts throughout the world, normally in Europe, once every four years in the United States or Canada. It has an office in [[Leiden]], [[South Holland]], [[Netherlands]].<ref>[http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EE22Ak03.html Asian Times 22-5-2003]</ref> They met at the [[Ritz-Carlton]] Hotel in [[Istanbul]], [[Turkey]] for the June 2007 meeting.<ref>[http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=74966 Turkish Daily News, June 5, 2007]</ref>
The 56th Bilderberg meeting took place June 6-8, 2008 at the Westfields Marriott in Chantilly, Virginia.

==Royalty==
*[[Prince Philip]] (1965, 1966, 1967), [[Duke of Edinburgh]]
*[[Prince Charles]] (1986), [[Prince of Wales]]
*[[Prince Bernhard]] (Chairman of Bilderberg Meetings 1954-1976), father of [[Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands]]
*[[Beatrix of the Netherlands|Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands]]<ref name=prweb97>{{cite web|url=http://www.prnewswire.de/cgi/release?id=42594|title=Bilderberg Meeting of 1997 Assembles|date=[[June 13]], [[1997]]|publisher=[[PR Newswire]]}}</ref>
*[[Claus von Amsberg]] (1967, 1968, 1971, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1986-1989), husband of [[Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands]]
*[[Willem-Alexander, Prince of Orange]] (1990, 1991, 1996, 2001, 2008), Crown Prince of the [[Netherlands]]
*[[Juan Carlos I]], [[King of Spain]] (1989)
*[[Queen Sofia of Spain]], wife of [[Juan Carlos I]], King of Spain (1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1996)
*[[Infanta Cristina, Duchess of Palma de Mallorca]], younger daughter of [[Juan Carlos I]], King of Spain
*[[Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant]] (1992, 1993, 1996, 2008), Crown Prince of Belgium
*[[Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden]], [[Monarch of Sweden|King of Sweden]] (1995)
*[[Harald V of Norway]], [[King of Norway]] (1984)
*[[Hans-Adam II, Prince of Liechtenstein]] (1985, 1986, 1987)
*[[Prince Axel of Denmark]] (1955, 1957)

==Politics==
''''Italic text''''===United States===
*[[David L. Aaron]] (1977), former [[Deputy National Security Advisor]]
*[[Dean Acheson]] (1957, 1958, 1964, 1966), former [[United States Secretary of State]]
*[[Madeleine Albright]] (2008), former United States Secretary of State
*[[Keith B. Alexander]] (2008), current Director, [[National Security Agency]]
*[[Roger Altman]] (2008), former [[United States Deputy Secretary of the Treasury]]
*[[John B. Anderson]] (1977), former [[US Congressman]]
*[[Michael Armacost]] (1997), President, [[Brookings Institution]]
*[[Nancy Kassebaum Baker]] (1988), former [[US Senator]]
*[[George Wildman Ball|George W. Ball]] (1954-1992),<ref>{{cite web
|title=George W. Ball Papers, 1880s-1994
|url=http://diglib.princeton.edu/ead/eadGetDoc.xq?xsl=/ead/xsl/ead2005.pdf&id=/ead/mudd/publicpolicy/MC031.EAD.xml&mime=.pdf
|publisher=Princeton University Library|format=PDF}}</ref> former U.S. diplomat
*[[Evan Bayh]] (1999), current US Senator, former [[Democratic Leadership Council]] Chairman, also attended the [[Renaissance Weekend]]. Member of the [[Council on Foreign Relations]]. Member of the [[Alfalfa Club]]
*[[Lloyd Bentsen]] (1989, 1992, 1995 - 1997), former [[United States Secretary of the Treasury]]
*[[Sandy Berger]] (1997), former [[National Security Advisor (United States)]]
*[[James H. Billington]] (1992), former [[Librarian of Congress]]
*[[Eugene R. Black, Sr.]] (1957, 1966), former President of the World Bank
*[[John Bolton]] (2003)
*[[John Brademas]] (1966), former US Congressman
*[[Bill Bradley]] (1985), former US Senator
*[[Nicholas F. Brady]] (1984, 1986, 1988, 1991), former United States Secretary of the Treasury
*[[Edward Brooke]] (1968), former US Senator
*[[David K. E. Bruce]] (1966)
*[[Zbigniew Brzezinski]] (Guest, 1966, 1968, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1978, 1985), President Carter's National Security Advisor
*[[McGeorge Bundy]] (1956, 1957, 1964, 1966, 1980), former National Security Advisor (United States)
*[[William Bundy]] (1977)
*[[Clifford P. Case]] (1958), former US Senator
*[[John Chafee]] (1979, 1986, 1991, 1992), former US Senator
*[[Frank Church]], former US Senator
*[[Harlan Cleveland]] (1967)
*[[Hillary Clinton]] (1997), current US Senator, also attended the [[World Economic Forum]], the [[Munich Conference on Security Policy]], the [[Salzburg Global Seminar]] and the [[Renaissance Weekend]]. Member of the [[Democratic Leadership Council]]
*[[Bill Clinton]] (1991),<ref name=BBCSep05>{{cite web|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4290944.stm|title=Inside the secretive Bilderberg Group|author=Bill Hayton|date= [[29 September]] [[2005]]|publisher=[[BBC]]}}</ref> former [[US President]], 1993 - 2001
*[[Carlos M. Collazo]] (2003)
*[[Barber Conable]], former President of the World Bank
*[[Richard N. Cooper]] (1975, 1977), former United States Under Secretary of State for Economic Affairs
*[[Jon Corzine]] (1995 - 1997<ref name=prweb97/>, 1999, 2003, 2004), current [[Governor of New Jersey]]
*[[Kenneth W. Dam]] (1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989-1997), former United States Deputy Secretary of the Treasury
*[[Richard Darman]] (1987), former United States Deputy Secretary of the Treasury
*[[Thomas A. Daschle]] (2008), former US Senator
*[[Lynn Davis]] (1995)
*[[John M. Deutch]] (1998), former [[CIA]] Director, former [[United States Deputy Secretary of Defense]]
*[[Thomas E. Dewey]] (1956, 1957, 1966), former [[Governor of New York]]
*[[C. Douglas Dillon]] (1968), former United States Secretary of the Treasury
*[[Christopher Dodd]] (1999 - 2001), current US Senator
*[[John Edwards]] (2004), former US Senator
*[[Stuart Eizenstat]] (2002), former United States Deputy Secretary of the Treasury
*[[Mike Espy]] (1994), former [[United States Secretary of Agriculture]]
*[[Daniel J. Evans]] (1986, 1988), former US Senator, former [[Governor of Washington]]
*[[Dianne Feinstein]] (1991), current US Senator
*[[Douglas Feith]] (2004)
*[[Ralph Flanders]] (1955, 1966), former US Senator
*[[James Florio]] (1994), former [[Governor of New Jersey]]
*[[Tom Foley]] (1988, 1990, 1995, 2002), former [[Speaker of the US House of Representatives]]
*[[Gerald R. Ford]] (1964, 1966), former US President, 1974 - 1977
*[[Harold Ford, Jr.]] (2008), current Chairman, [[Democratic Leadership Council]], former US Congressman, Vice Chairman, [[Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.]]
*[[Donald M. Fraser]] (1971), former US Congressman
*[[Peter Hood Ballantine Frelinghuysen, Jr.]] (1964, 1966, 1971), former US Congressman
*[[J. William Fulbright]] (1956, 1957, 1964), former US Senator
*[[Cornelius Edward Gallagher]] (1963, 1966), former US Congressman
*[[John Galvin]], former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Europe
*[[Melinda Gates]] (2004), wife of [[Bill Gates]]
*[[Robert Gates]] (2008), current United States Secretary of Defense
*[[David Gergen]] (1992, 1995), [[Political consulting|political consultant]] and presidential adviser during the [[United States Republican Party|Republican]] administrations of [[Richard Nixon|Nixon]], [[Gerald Ford|Ford]], and [[Ronald Reagan|Reagan]], campaign staffer for [[George H.W. Bush]] and adviser to [[United States Democratic Party|Democratic]] President [[Bill Clinton]]
*[[Roswell Gilpatric]] (1966)
*[[Dan Glickman]] (2001), former US Congressman
*[[Andrew Goodpaster]] (1968, 1974), former [[NATO]] [[Supreme Allied Commander, Europe]]
*[[Lincoln Gordon]] (1957, 1966)
*[[Donald Gregg]] (1985), former [[United States Ambassador]]
*[[Marc Grossman]] (2007), former [[Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs]]
*[[Alfred Gruenther]] (1955, 1957, 1966), former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Europe
*[[Richard N. Haass]] (1991, 2003, 2004)<ref name=maxwell04/>, president, [[Council on Foreign Relations]]
*[[Philip C. Habib]] (1992)
*[[Chuck Hagel]] (1999 - 2001), current US Senator
*[[Alexander Haig]] (1978), former United States Secretary of State
*[[Lee H. Hamilton]] (1997)<ref name=prweb97/>, former US Congressman
*[[Fred R. Harris]] (1966), former US Senator
*[[Arthur A. Hartman]] (1975), former Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs
*[[Brooks Hays]] (1957, 1966), former US Congressman
*[[H. John Heinz III]] (1978), former US Senator
*[[Christian Herter]] (1961, 1963, 1964, 1966),<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://oasis.harvard.edu:10080/oasis/deliver/~hou00943
|title=Herter, Christian Archibald, 1895-1966. Papers: Guide.
|publisher=Houghton Library, Harvard}}</ref> former Secretary of State
*[[Bourke Hickenlooper]] (1963, 1966), former US Senator
*[[Carla Anderson Hills]] (2002), former [[United States Trade Representative]]
*[[Paul G. Hoffman]] (1955, 1957, 1966)
*[[Richard Holbrooke]] (1995 - 1999, 2004 - 2006, 2008), former [[U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations]]
*[[Chet Holifield]] (1964, 1966), former US Congressman
*[[Kay Bailey Hutchison]] (2000, 2002), current US Senator
*[[Henry M. Jackson]] (1964, 1966-1968), former US Senator
*[[Jacob Javits]] (1964, 1966), former US Senator
*[[Joseph E. Johnson]] (1954)<ref name=hatch/>, former President, [[Carnegie Endowment for International Peace]].
*[[Bennett Johnston Jr.]] (1991), former US Senator
*[[James Robert Jones]] (1985), former US Congressman
*[[Vernon Jordan]] (1979-1985, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1991, 2005, 2006, 2008)
*[[Robert Kagan]] (2004)
*[[Carl Kaysen]] (1967)
*[[Thomas Kean]] (1989), former [[Governor of New Jersey]]
*[[George Kennan]] (1955, 1957, 1966)
*[[David M. Kennedy]] (1968), former United States Secretary of the Treasury
*[[Robert M. Kimmitt]] (1995), current United States Deputy Secretary of the Treasury
*[[Lane Kirkland]] (1977), former President, [[AFL-CIO]]
*[[Jeane Kirkpatrick]] (1981), former [[United States Ambassador to the United Nations]]
*[[Henry Kissinger]] (1957, 1964, 1966, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977-2003, 2004,<ref name=maxwell04>{{cite web
|url=http://drclas.fas.harvard.edu/working_papers/?entity_id=23
|title=The Case of the Missing Letter in Foreign Affairs:: Kissinger, Pinochet and Operation Condor
|author=[[Kenneth Maxwell]]
|year=2004
|publisher=David Rockefeller Center for Latin American Studies}}</ref> 2005-2008), Secretary of State, 1973 - 1977
*[[John LaFalce]] (2002), former US Congressman
*[[Michael Ledeen]] (2005)
*[[Lyman L. Lemnitzer]] (1957, 1963, 1966), former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
*[[Winston Lord]] (1974, 1978, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1996), former United States Ambassador to China
*[[William J. Luti]] (2004), Senior Director for Defense Policy and Strategy for the [[United States National Security Council|National Security Council]]
*[[Terry McAuliffe]] (2002), former Chairman of the [[Democratic National Committee]]
*[[John J. McCloy]] (1958, 1964, 1966), former President of the World Bank
*[[Gale McGee]] (1966), former US Senator
*[[Donald F. McHenry]] (1986, 1996), former [[United States Ambassador to the United Nations]]
*[[Robert S. McNamara]] (1968, 1975), former [[United States Secretary of Defense]], former President of the [[World Bank]]
*[[Charles Mathias, Jr.]] (1967, 1968, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1984-1993), former U.S. Senator
*[[Ken Mehlman]] (2005), former Chairman of the [[Republican National Committee]]
*[[Cord Meyer]] (1957), [[CIA]] official
*[[George J. Mitchell]], former U.S. Senator
*[[Walter F. Mondale]] (1974, 1981), former [[Vice President of the United States]], 1977 - 1981
*[[A. S. Mike Monroney]] (1966), former U.S. Senator
*[[Paul H. Nitze]] (1955, 1957, 1958, 1963, 1966)
*[[Lauris Norstad]] (1967), former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Europe
*[[Sam Nunn]] (1996, 1997<ref name=prweb97/>), former US Senator
*[[Barack Obama]] (2008), current US President-Elect
*[[William Odom]] (1993), former [[National Security Agency]] Director
*[[Dan Quayle]] (1990, 1991), former US Vice President, 1989 - 1993
*[[George Pataki]] (2006), former [[Governor of New York]]
*[[Henry M. Paulson, Jr.]] (2008), current United States Secretary of the Treasury
*[[Claiborne Pell]] (1992), former US Senator
*[[Richard Perle]] (1983, 1985, 2003, 2006, 2008), assistant [[United States Secretary of Defense|Secretary of Defense]], 1981 - 1987
*[[Rick Perry]] (2007), current [[Governor of Texas]]
*[[William J. Perry]] (1996), former United States Secretary of Defense
*[[Peter George Peterson]] (1978), former [[United States Secretary of Commerce]]
*[[Colin L. Powell]] (1997), former United States Secretary of State
*[[Larry Pressler]] (1993), former US Senator
*[[Lewis Thompson Preston]], former President of the World Bank
*[[Joel Pritchard]] (1975), former US Congressman
*[[Marc Racicot]] (2002), former Chairman, [[Republican National Committee]]
*[[Ralph E. Reed, Jr.]] (2004), former first executive director of the [[Christian Coalition]]
*[[William K. Reilly]] (1989), former [[United States Environmental Protection Agency|Environmental Protection Agency]] Administrator
*[[Henry Reuss]] (1966, 1971), former US Congressman
*[[Walter P. Reuther]] (1966), former U.S. labour leader
*[[Condoleezza Rice]] (2008), current United States Secretary of State
*[[Bill Richardson]] (1999, 2000), current [[Governor of New Mexico]]
*[[Donald W. Riegle, Jr.]] (1971), former US Senator
*[[Alice Rivlin]] (1984)
*[[Charles W. Robinson]] (1975), former Under Secretary of State for Economic Affairs
*[[David Rockefeller]], original U.S. founding member, life member, and member of the Steering Committee (1954-
*[[David Rockefeller, Jr.]] (1989)
*[[Jay Rockefeller]] (1971), current US Senator
*[[Nelson A. Rockefeller]] (1957, 1974), former US Vice President, 1974 - 1977, former [[Governor of New York]], 1959 - 1973
*[[Bernard W. Rogers]], former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Europe
*[[Dennis Ross]] (2004, 2006, 2008)
*[[Eugene V. Rostow]] (1967, 1968)
*[[Walt Whitman Rostow]], former National Security Advisor (United States)
*[[Donald Rumsfeld]] (1975, 2002), Secretary of Defense, 2001 - 2006
*[[Dean Rusk]] (1955, 1957, 1966), former United States Secretary of State
*[[Mark Sanford]] (2008), current [[Governor of South Carolina]], also attended the [[Renaissance Weekend]]
*[[Hugh Scott]] (1961, 1966), former US Senator
*[[Brent Scowcroft]] (1985, 1988, 1994), former National Security Advisor (United States)
*[[Kathleen Sebelius]] (2007, 2008), current [[Governor of Kansas]]
*[[George P. Shultz]] (2008), former United States Secretary of State, former United States Secretary of the Treasury
*[[Kristen Silverberg]] (2007), [[Bureau of International Organization Affairs]], part of the [[United States Department of State|State Department]]
*[[William E. Simon]] (1982), former [[United States Secretary of the Treasury]]
*[[Walter Bedell Smith]], former [[CIA]] Director
*[[Nancy Soderberg]] (1995)
*[[Helmut Sonnenfeldt]] (1974), former U.S. State Department Counselor, former member, [[United States National Security Council|National Security Council]]
*[[John Sparkman]] (1955, 1966), former US Senator
*[[James Steinberg]] (1994, 2000), former Deputy National Security Advisor
*[[Adlai Stevenson III]] (1971), former US Senator
*[[Robert Schwarz Strauss]] (1982, 1989, 1990, 1992), former Chairman of the Democratic National Committee
*[[Lawrence Summers]] (1998, 2002, 2008), former United States Secretary of the Treasury
*[[John H. Sununu]] (1990), former [[Governor of New Hampshire]]
*[[Shirley Temple]] (1982), former United States Ambassador, former child actress
*[[Laura D'Andrea Tyson]] (1999)
*[[Cyrus Vance]] (1971), former United States Secretary of State
*[[John M. Vorys]] (1957, 1966), former US Congressman
*[[Mark Warner]] (2005), former [[Governor of Virginia]]
*[[Vin Weber]] (2007, 2008), former US Congressman
*[[John C. Whitehead]] (1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989-1997), former United States Deputy Secretary of State
*[[Christine Todd Whitman]] (1998), former [[Governor of New Jersey]]
*[[L. Douglas Wilder]] (1991), former [[Governor of Virginia]], current [[Mayor]] of [[Richmond, Virginia]]
*[[Alexander Wiley]] (1957, 1966), former US Senator
*[[Ross Wilson (ambassador)]] (2007), current [[United States Ambassador to Turkey]]
*[[Paul Wolfowitz]] (1990, 1994-1998, 2008), former President of the World Bank
*[[George David Woods]] (1966), former President of the World Bank
*[[Philip D. Zelikow]] (2007), executive director of the [[9/11 Commission]] and [[Counselor of the United States Department of State]]
*[[Robert Zoellick]] (1991, 2003, 2006, 2008), former [[Deputy Secretary of State]] and current President of the World Bank

===Canada===
*[[Lester B. Pearson]] (1964, 1966, 1968), former [[Prime Minister of Canada]] from 1963 to 1968
*[[Pierre Trudeau]] (1983, 1985), former Prime Minister of Canada from 1968 to 1979, 1980 to 1984
*[[Jean Chrétien]] (1982, 1996), [[Canadian Prime Minister]], 1993 - 2003
*[[W. Edmund Clark]], President and CEO, [[Toronto-Dominion Bank]]
*[[Paul Martin]] (1996), Canadian Prime Minister, 2003 - 2006
*[[Stephen Harper]] (2003), Canadian Prime Minister, 2006 – Present
*[[Bernard Lord]] (2001), former [[Premier of New Brunswick]]
*[[Robert L. Stanfield]] (1968), former [[Premier of Nova Scotia]]
*[[Jason Kenney]] (2007), Canadian Member of Parliament
*[[Preston Manning]] (1998), former leader and founder of the [[Reform Party of Canada]]
*[[Lloyd Axworthy]] (1996), former [[Minister of Foreign Affairs (Canada)]]
*[[Kevin G. Lynch]] (2004), Canadian civil servant
*[[Frank McKenna]] (1994, 2006, 2008), former [[Canadian Ambassador to the United States]], former [[Premier of New Brunswick]], current Deputy Chairman of [[Toronto-Dominion Bank]]
*[[Michael Wilson (politician)]] (1991), current Canadian Ambassador to the United States, former [[Minister of Finance (Canada)]], former [[Minister of International Trade (Canada)]]
*[[Marc Lalonde]] (1977), former Minister of Finance (Canada)
*[[Jacques Parizeau]] (1968), former [[Premier of Quebec]]
*[[Robert Bourassa]] (1971), former Premier of Quebec
*[[Jean Lesage]] (1966), former Premier of Quebec
*[[Mike Harris]] (1996), former [[Premier of Ontario]]
*[[David Peterson]] (1990), former [[Premier of Ontario]]
*[[Ralph Klein]] (1995), former [[Premier of Alberta]]
*[[Peter Lougheed]] (1973), former [[Premier of Alberta]]
*[[Gerald Regan]] (1977), former [[Premier of Nova Scotia]]
*[[Paul Joseph James Martin]] (1957, 1966-1968), former Canadian Senator, former [[Leader of the Government in the Senate (Canada)]], former [[Minister of National Health and Welfare (Canada)]], former [[Secretary of State for External Affairs (Canada)]], father of former Prime Minister of Canada,[[Paul Martin]]
*[[Jeanne Sauvé]] (1974, 1986, 1989), former [[Governor General of Canada]]
*[[Donald S. Macdonald]] (1971, 1973, 1979-1986, 1988, 1993), former Minister of Finance (Canada), former [[Minister of National Defence (Canada)]]
*[[Allan MacEachen]] (1983), former [[Deputy Prime Minister of Canada]]
*[[Heather Reisman]] (2006, 2007, 2008), Canadian businesswoman
*[[Andre Desmarais]], [[Power Corporation of Canada]]

===United Kingdom===
*[[Antony Acland]] (1988), former British Ambassador to the United States
*[[Paddy Ashdown]] (1989), former leader of the [[UK Liberal Democrats]]
*[[Ed Balls]] (2001-2003), [[Economic Secretary to the Treasury]] 2006 - 2007
*[[John Baring, 7th Baron Ashburton]] (1980, 1984, 1986), former Chairman of [[British Petroleum]]
*[[Frederic Bennett]] (1963, 1964, 1966-1968, 1971, 1973-1975, 1977-1980, 1984)
*[[Tony Blair]] (1993),<ref name=BBCSep05/> former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom<ref name=mc/>
*[[Rodric Braithwaite]] (1993)
*[[George Brown, Baron George-Brown]] (1966, 1978)
*[[Gordon Brown]] (1991), current [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom]]
*[[James Callaghan]] (1963, 1966), former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
*[[Peter Carrington, 6th Baron Carrington]] (1978, 1983, 1984, 1987, 1989-1998), former [[Secretary-General]] of [[NATO]]
*[[Kenneth Clarke]] (1993, 1998,<ref>http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmregmem/memi06.htm Register of Members' Interests</ref> 2006<ref>[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/070313/memi06.htm [[House commons]] register of interests</ref> & 2007<ref>[http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/kenneth_clarke/rushcliffe Kenneth Clarke MP, Rushcliffe (TheyWorkForYou.com)]</ref>), former [[Chancellor of the Exchequer]]
*[[Clement Davies]] (1954, 1955, 1957), former leader of the [[Liberal Party (UK)]]
*[[Richard Dearlove]] (2007), former head of [[MI6]]
*[[Edmund Dell]] (1978)
*[[Alec Douglas-Home]] (1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1986), former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
*[[Rodney Elton, 2nd Baron Elton]] (1977)
*[[Charles Forte, Baron Forte]] (1977)
*[[Lawrence Freedman]] (1991), Professor, [[Oxford University]]
*[[Hugh Gaitskell]] (1954, 1955, 1958), former leader of the [[Labour Party (UK)]]
*[[Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 7th Marquess of Salisbury]] (1997)
*[[Philip Gould, Baron Gould of Brookwood]] (2003)
*[[Jo Grimond]] (1958, 1966), former leader of the Liberal Party (UK)
*[[William Hague]] (1998), former leader of the [[Conservative Party (UK)]], current [[Shadow Foreign Secretary]]
*[[David Hannay, Baron Hannay of Chiswick]] (1995, 1998)
*[[Roy Hattersley]] (1985)
*[[Denis Healey]], former [[Secretary of State for Defence]] 1963-1970, former Chancellor of the Exchequer 1974-1979 (founding member of Bilderberg)
*[[Edward Heath]] (1963, 1966, 1967), former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
*[[Michael Heseltine]] (1984), former Secretary of State for Defence
*[[Quintin Hogg, Baron Hailsham of St Marylebone]] (1967)
*[[John Horam]] (1975)
*[[Douglas Hurd]] (1980, 1981), former British Foreign Secretary
*[[Roy Jenkins]], former [[President of the European Commission]]
*[[Keith Joseph]] (1977)
*[[John Keegan]] (1988), [[United Kingdom|British]] [[military historian]]
*[[John Kerr, Baron Kerr of Kinlochard]] (2004, 2008), member of the [[House of Lords]], Deputy Chairman, [[Royal Dutch Shell]]
*[[Norman Lamont]] (1995), former Chancellor of the Exchequer
*[[Nigel Lawson]] (1982, 1990), former Chancellor of the Exchequer
*[[Harold Lever, Baron Lever of Manchester]] (1977, 1985), former [[Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster]]
*[[John Major]], former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
*[[Reginald Maudling]] (1955, 1957, 1966, 1967, 1971, 1973, 1978), former Chancellor of the Exchequer
*[[John Monks]] (1996) , former [[General Secretary]] of the [[Trades Union Congress]]
*[[Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma]] (1965, 1966)
*[[Pauline Neville-Jones, Baroness Neville-Jones]] (2004)
*[[John Nott]] (1977), former Secretary of State for Defence
*[[David Ormsby-Gore, 5th Baron Harlech]] (1958, 1966), former [[British Ambassador to the United States]]
*[[George Osborne]] (2006)<ref> {{cite web|url=http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/060919/memi21.htm |title=Register of Members' Interests - George Osborne|publisher=[[Parliament of the United Kingdom|United Kingdom Parliament]]|date=[[19 September]] [[2006]]}} </ref> (2008) [[Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer]] 2004-Present; member of the opposition 2001-Present
*[[David Owen]] (1973, 1982, 1993), former British [[Foreign Secretary]]
*[[Cecil Parkinson]] (1989), former [[Shadow chancellor of the Exchequer]]
*[[Enoch Powell]] (1968)
*[[Christopher Price (UK politician)]], former Labour Party (UK) Member of Parliament, former member of the [[European Parliament]]
*[[Giles Radice, Baron Radice]] (1995)
*[[William Rees-Mogg]] (1993)
*Sir [[Malcolm Rifkind]] (1986, 1996), former British Foreign Secretary
*[[Geoffrey Rippon]] (1974)
*[[William Rodgers, Baron Rodgers of Quarry Bank]] (1974)
*[[Eric Roll]] (1964, 1966, 1967, 1973-1975, 1977-1999) (Bilderberg Steering Committee),<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200304/ldreg/reg21.htm|title=Register of Lords Interests - Lord Roll of Ipsden|publisher=United Kingdom Parliament|date=[[October 1]], [[2004]]}}</ref> Department of Economic Affairs, 1964, later Bilderberg Group Chairman
*[[John Sainsbury, Baron Sainsbury of Preston Candover]] (1982, 1983, 1984, 1986)
*[[Sir Patrick Sheehy Professor of International Relations]] (1985, 1986, 1993)
*[[John Smith (UK politician)]] (1986, 1989, 1991), former leader of the [[British Labour Party]]
*[[David Steel]] (1986), former leader of the Liberal Party (UK)
*[[Michael Stewart, Baron Stewart of Fulham]] (1964, 1966)
*[[Norman Tebbit]] (1985)
*[[Margaret Thatcher]] (1975),<ref>[http://www.chu.cam.ac.uk/archives/collections/thatcher_catalogue.pdf Thatcher Papers, Catalogue of material], Pre-1979 personal papers, p.28</ref> former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
*[[George Thomson, Baron Thomson of Monifieth]] (1971)
*[[Jeremy Thorpe]], former leader of the Liberal Party (UK)
*[[William Waldegrave, Baron Waldegrave of North Hill]] (1987, 1988, 1990, 1995)
*[[George Weidenfeld]] (1992)
*[[Gareth Williams, Baron Williams of Mostyn]] (2002, 2003)
*[[Harold Wilson]] (1966), former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
*[[David Young, Baron Young of Graffham]] (1985, 1986)
*[[Kenneth Younger]] (1966)

===Ireland===

*[[John Bruton]] (1998), former Prime Minister of Ireland
*[[Garret FitzGerald]] (1975, 1977, 1984, 1985, 1987), former [[Prime Minister of Ireland]]
*[[Paul Gallagher]] (2008), [[Attorney General of Ireland]]
*[[Michael McDowell]] (1992, 2007), founding member of the [[Progressive Democrats]] of [[Ireland]]

=== Germany ===
*[[Egon Bahr]] (1968, 1971, 1982, 1987), German Minister, creator of the [[Ostpolitik]]
*[[Rainer Barzel]] (1966), former German opposition leader
*[[Kurt Biedenkopf]] (1992), former [[Prime Minister]] of [[Saxony]]
*[[Max Brauer]] (1954, 1955, 1958, 1963, 1964, 1966), former [[Mayor]] of [[Hamburg]]
*[[Birgit Breuel]] (1973, 1979, 1980, 1991, 1992, 1994), chairwoman of [[Treuhandanstalt]]
*[[Andreas von Bülow]] (1978), former [[Federal Ministry of Education and Research (Germany)|Minister of Research]] of Germany
*[[Karl Carstens]] (1971), former [[President of Germany]]
*[[Klaus von Dohnanyi]] (1975, 1977), former [[Mayor]] of [[Hamburg]]
*[[Ursula Engelen-Kefer]] (1998), former chairwoman of the [[German Confederation of Trade Unions]]
*[[Björn Engholm]] (1991), former Prime Minister of [[Schleswig-Holstein]]
*[[Ludwig Erhard]] (1966), former [[Chancellor of Germany]]
*[[Fritz Erler]] (1955, 1957, 1958, 1963, 1964, 1966), Socialist Member of Parliament
*[[Joschka Fischer]] (2008), former [[Minister of Foreign Affairs (Germany)]]
*[[Herbert Giersch]] (1975), Director, Institut fur Weltwirtschaft an der Universitat Kiel
*[[Helmut Haussmann]] (1979, 1980, 1990, 1996), former [[Minister of Economics]] of Germany
*[[Wolfgang Ischinger]] (1998, 2002, 2008), former German Ambassador to [[Washington]]
*[[Helmut Kohl]] (1980, 1982, 1988), former Chancellor of Germany
*[[Walter Leisler Kiep]] (1974, 1975, 1977, 1980), former Treasurer of the [[Christian Democratic Union (Germany)]]
*[[Kurt Georg Kiesinger]] (1955, 1957, 1966), former Chancellor of Germany
*[[Hans Klein]] (1986), Member of [[German Bundestag]]
*[[Otto Graf Lambsdorff]] (1980, 1983, 1984), former Minister of Economics of Germany
*[[Karl Lamers]] (1995), Member of the [[German Bundestag]]
*[[Angela Merkel]] (2005), current Chancellor of Germany
*[[Alois Mertes]] (1983, 1985)
*[[Siegmar Mosdorf]] (2001), [[Secretary of State]] for Economics in Germany
*[[Alfred Müller-Armack]] (1966), Secretary of State for Economics in Germany
*[[Volker Perthes]] (2008), Director, [[Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik]]
*[[Friedbert Pflüger]] (2005, 2006), Member of the [[German Bundestag]]
*[[Ruprecht Polenz]] (2002), Member of the [[German Bundestag]]
*[[Volker Rühe]] (1983, 1991-1994), former [[Defense Minister]] of Germany
*[[Rudolf Scharping]], former Defense Minister of Germany
*[[Wolfgang Schäuble]] (2003), current [[Minister of Internal Affairs]] of Germany
*[[Walter Scheel]] (1981-84, 1986), former President of Germany
*[[Karl Schiller]] (1966), former [[Finance Minister]] of Germany
*[[Otto Schily]] (2003-2006), former Minister of Internal Affairs of Germany
*[[Carlo Schmid (German politician)|Carlo Schmid]] (1955, 1958, 1963, 1964, 1966), former Vice President of the Federal Parliament
*[[Helmut Schmidt]] (1966, 1967, 1973, 1974, 1977, 1980, 1983, 1986), former Chancellor of Germany
*[[Gerhard Schröder (CDU)]] (1971, 1974), former Minister of Foreign Affairs (Germany), former [[Minister of Defence (Germany)]]
*[[Gerhard Stoltenberg]] (1966, 1968), former Minister of Germany and Prime Minister of [[Schleswig-Holstein]]
*[[Franz Josef Strauß]] (1963, 1966), former Minister of Germany and Prime Minister of [[Bavaria]]
*[[Lothar Späth]] (1993), former Prime Minister of [[Baden-Wurttemberg]]
*[[Erwin Teufel]] (1991), former Prime Minister of [[Baden-Wurttemberg]]
*[[Henning Voscherau]] (1996), former [[Mayor]] of [[Hamburg]]
*[[Richard von Weizsäcker]] (1978), former President of Germany
*[[Guido Westerwelle]] (2007), leader of the [[Free Democratic Party of Germany]]
*[[Hans-Jürgen Wischnewski]] (1971, 1973, 1974, 1978), former Secretary of State in the Chancellor's Office of Germany
*[[Matthias Wissmann]] (1998, 2004, 2005), former Minister of Research of Germany

===Austria===
*[[Otto von Habsburg]], Archduke and Crown Prince of [[Austria]]
*[[Alfred Gusenbauer]] (2002, 2006), current [[Chancellor of Austria]]
*[[Wolfgang Schussel]] (1984), former [[Chancellor of Austria]]
*[[Franz Vranitzky]] (1975, 1979, 1986-1991, 1993, 1995-1999), former [[Austrian Chancellor]]
*[[Bruno Kreisky]] (1979), former [[Austrian Chancellor]]
*[[Thomas Klestil]] (1988), former [[President of Austria]]
*[[Martin Bartenstein]] (2006), Austrian Minister for Economy and Labour
*[[Josef Krainer]] (1989), former Governor of [[Styria]]

=== Switzerland ===
*[[Flavio Cotti]] (1994-1997), former [[President of the Swiss Confederation]]
*[[Pascal Couchepin]] (2001, 2002, 2004, 2005), current President of the Swiss Confederation
*[[Jean-Pascal Delamuraz]] (1995), former President of the Swiss Confederation
*[[Max Petitpierre]] (1963, 1966), former President of the Swiss Confederation
*[[Jacob Kellenberger]] (1993), former Swiss State Secretary of Foreign Affairs
*[[Sigmund Widmer]] (1975), former [[Mayor]] of [[Zürich]]
*[[Denis de Rougemont]] (1954, 1955, 1966)

===France===
*[[Valéry Giscard d'Estaing]] (1968, 2003), former President of the [[French Republic]]
*[[Lionel Jospin]] (1996), former [[Prime Minister of France]]
*[[Georges Pompidou]] (1966), former President of the [[French Republic]]
*[[Dominique de Villepin]] (2003), former Prime Minister of France
*[[Laurent Fabius]] (1994), former Prime Minister of France
*[[Michel Rocard]] (1986), former Prime Minister of France
*[[Pierre Bérégovoy]] (1992), former Prime Minister of France
*[[Edouard Balladur]] (1987), former Prime Minister of France
*[[Raymond Barre]] (1983), former Prime Minister of France
*[[Edgar Faure]] (1974), former Prime Minister of France
*[[René Pleven]] (1963, 1966), former Prime Minister of France
*[[Pierre Mendes-France]] (1968), former Prime Minister of France
*[[Antoine Pinay]] (1954, 1955, 1963, 1964, 1966), former Prime Minister of France
*[[Jean-Bernard Raimond]] (1994), former [[French Foreign Minister]]
*[[Jean Francois-Poncet]] (1982, 1985, 1988), former French Foreign Minister
*[[Michel Barnier]] (2007), former French Foreign Minister
*[[Hubert Védrine]] (1987, 1992, 2008), former French Foreign Minister
*[[Bernard Kouchner]] (2005), current [[Minister of Foreign Affairs (France)]]
*[[Manuel Valls]] (2008), French Member of Parliament
*[[Jean-Pierre Jouyet]] (2008), French Minister of European Affairs
*[[Jean-Pierre Chevenement]] (1984, 1990), former [[Minister of Defense (France)]]
*[[Jacques Attali]] (1975), French economist and scholar and former presidential adviser of France's [[socialist]] government
*[[Gaston Defferre]] (1964, 1966), former [[Mayor]] of [[Marseille]]
*[[Maurice Herzog]] (1974), former [[Mayor]] of [[Chamonix]]
*[[Philippe Seguin]] (1990), former [[Mayor]] of [[Epinal]]
*[[Jean-Pierre Cot]] (1977), French politician, former [[Mayor]] of [[Coise]]
*[[Olivier Guichard]] (1966, 1977), French politician, former French Minister of Justice
*[[Guy Mollet]] (1954, 1955, 1957, 1963, 1966), former Socialist Prime Minister of France
*[[Maurice Faure]] (1955, 1963, 1966)
*[[Jacques Rueff]] (1958, 1966)

=== Belgium ===
*[[Paul Van Zeeland]] (1955-1958, 1966), former [[Prime Minister of Belgium]]
*[[Theo Lefevre]] (1967), former Prime Minister of Belgium
*[[Leo Tindemans]] (1980), former Prime Minister of Belgium
*[[Wilfried Martens]] (1989-1991, 1993), former Prime Minister of Belgium
*[[Jean-Luc Dehaene]] (2004), former Prime Minister of Belgium
*[[Philippe Maystadt]] (1996), former Belgian Minister of Finance
*[[Etienne Davignon]]

=== Netherlands ===
*[[Jan-Peter Balkenende]] (2008), current [[Prime Minister of the Netherlands]], 2002 - present
*[[Ruud Lubbers]] (1983, 1991, 1992, 1994), former Prime Minister of the Netherlands, 1982 - 1994
*[[Wim Kok]] (1993, 2003), former Prime Minister of the Netherlands, 1994 - 2002
*[[Barend Biesheuvel]] (1968), former Prime Minister of the Netherlands, 1971 - 1973
*[[Jelle Zijlstra]] (1966, 1975), former Prime Minister of the Netherlands, 1966 - 1967
*[[Laurens-Jan Brinkhorst]] (1974, 1981), former Dutch [[Minister of Foreign Affairs]]
*[[Max van der Stoel]] (1980), former Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs, 1973 - 1977, 1981 - 1982
*[[Jozias van Aartsen]] (2005), former Dutch Minister of Agriculture, 1994 - 1998, former Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs, 1998 - 2002
*[[Maxime Verhagen]] (2006, 2008), current Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs, 2007 - present
*[[Frank Heemskerk]] (2007), Dutch Minister of Foreign Trade
*[[Frans Timmermans]] (2008), Dutch Minister of European Affairs
*[[Klaas de Vries (politician)|Klaas de Vries]] (2003), Dutch [[Member of Parliament]]
*[[Ivo Samkalden]] (1963, 1966), former [[Mayor]] of [[Amsterdam]]
*[[Harold Goddijn]] (2008), CEO of [[TomTom]]

=== Italy ===
*[[Carlo Azeglio Ciampi]] (1987), former [[President of the Italian Republic]], former Governor of the [[Banca d'Italia]]
*[[Francesco Cossiga]] (1977), former [[President of the Italian Republic]]
*[[Amintore Fanfani]] (1955, 1956, 1966), former [[Italian Prime Minister]]
*[[Alcide de Gasperi]] (1954), former [[Italian Prime Minister]]
*[[Claudio Martelli]], former [[Italian Minister of Justice]]
*[[Gianni De Michelis]] (1991), former [[Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs]]
*[[Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa]] (1986, 1998, 1999, 2008), former [[Italian Minister of Economy and Finance]]
*[[Romano Prodi]] (Steering Committee Member of Bilderberg in the 1980s), former [[Italian Prime Minister]] and former President of the European Commission
*[[Virginio Rognoni]] (1982, 1991), former [[Italian Minister of Defense]]
*[[Mariano Rumor]] (1966), former [[Italian Prime Minister]]
*[[Domenico Siniscalco]] (1998), former [[Italian Minister of Economy and Finance]]
*[[Giulio Tremonti]] (2000), current [[Italian Minister of Economy and Finance]]
*[[Walter Veltroni]] (1996), former [[Mayor of Rome]]
*[[Giorgio La Malfa]] (1974, 1975), former Member of Parliament
*[[Guido Colonna di Paliano]] (1974), former Italian politician and [[European Commissioner]]

=== Spain ===
*[[Esperanza Aguirre Gil de Biedma]] (1999, 2000), president of [[Madrid (autonomous community)|Madrid]]
*[[Joaquin Almunia]] (1998, 2008), [[European Commissioner for Economic & Financial Affairs]]
*[[Enrique Barón]] (1988), former President of European Parliament
*[[Jaime de Carvajal y Urquijo]] (1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998), CEO, [[Ford]] Spain, [[Ericsson]] Spain and Banco Urquijo.
*[[Juan Luis Cebrián]] (1988, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1993, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005), former director of newspaper [[El País]], CEO, [[Grupo Prisa]]
*[[Guillermo de la Dehesa]] (1989, 1993), CEO, [[Banco Pastor]]
*[[Carlos Ferret Salat]] (1993), banker
*[[Manuel Fraga Iribarne]] (1977), politician, former Secretary General, [[Alianza Popular]]
*[[Felipe Gonzalez]] (1989), former [[Prime Minister of Spain]] (1982-1996)
*[[Loyola de Palacio]] (2005), former European Commissioner for Transport
*[[Jesús de Polanco]] (1989), CEO, media group [[PRISA]]
*[[Jordi Pujol]] (1991), former president of the autonomous community of [[Catalonia (autonomous community)|Catalonia]]
*[[Rodrigo Rato]] (1992, 1994), former Second Vice President and Minister of Economy and Finance, and former Managing Director of the [[International Monetary Fund]]
*[[Eduardo Serra Rexach]] (2004), former Minister of Defense
*[[Matías Rodríguez Inciarte]] (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001-2008), Deputy CEO, [[Grupo Santander]]
*[[Miguel Boyer Salvador]] (1989), former Finance Minister of Spain
*[[Miguel Sebastián Gascón]] (2005), former Chief Economic Adviser to the Prime Minister and Minister of Industry (2008-...)
*[[Narcís Serra]] (1990, 1991, 1992), former Minister of Defense, former Vice President of Spain.
*[[Javier Solana]] (1985, 1998, 2000), Secretary-General of the Council of the [[EU]], former [[Secretary-General of NATO]]
*[[Pedro Solbes Mira]] (1999), Second Vice President and Minister of Economy and Finance
*[[Federico Trillo-Figueroa Martínez-Conde]] (1995), former Minister of Defense and former president of National Parliament of Spain
*[[Juan Antonio Yañez-Barnuevo]] (1983, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1996), Spanish [[Permanent Representatives to the United Nations]]
*[[Emilio de Ybarra y Churruca]] (1988, 1989), former CEO, [[BBVA]]
*[[Juan Carlos I de Borbón y Borbón]] (1989), King of Spain
*[[Queen Sofía de Grecia]] (1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2003-2005), Queen of Spain, wife of Juan Carlos I, King of Spain

=== Portugal ===
*[[Francisco Pinto Balsemão]] (1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995-2008) ,<ref name=afp2006>{{cite web|url=http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/26_bb_list_2.htm|title=Bilderberg 2006 List|date=[[June 19]], [[2006]]|publisher=[[American Free Press]]}}</ref> former [[Prime Minister of Portugal]], 1981 - 1983 and CEO of [[Impresa]] media group
*[[António Guterres]] (1990, 2005), former Prime Minister of Portugal, currently the [[United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees]]
*[[Pedro Santana Lopes]] (2004), former Prime Minister of Portugal
*[[José Sócrates]] (2004), current Prime Minister of Portugal
*[[Jorge Sampaio]] (1989, 1999), former [[President of Portugal]]
*[[Eduardo Ferro Rodrigues]] (2003), former Leader of the Socialist Party
*[[António Costa]] (2008), current [[Mayor of Lisbon]]
*[[Rui Rio]] (2008), current [[Mayor]] of [[Porto]]
*[[Jose Pedro Aguiar-Branco]] (2006),<ref name=afp2006 /> Member of Parliament (PSD)
*[[Augusto Santos Silva]] (2006),<ref name=afp2006 /> Minister for Parliamentary Affairs
*[[Rui Machete]] (1989), former Deputy Prime Minister of Portugal
*[[Joaquim do Amaral]] (1999), Member of Parliament
*[[Manuel Sarmento Rodrigues]] (1966)

=== Greece ===
*[[Kostas Karamanlis]] (1998), current [[Prime Minister of Greece]]
*[[Constantine Mitsotakis]] (1993), former Prime Minister of Greece
*[[Georgios Alogoskoufis]] (2008), former [[Minister for Economy and Finance (Greece)]]
*[[Dora Bakoyannis]] (2003), current [[Minister for Foreign Affairs (Greece)]], former [[Mayor]] of [[Athens]]
*[[Anna Diamantopoulou]] (2008), Member of Parliament in [[Greece]] and former [[EU Commissioner]]
*[[George Andreas Papandreou]] (1998), former Minister for Foreign Affairs (Greece), President of the [[Socialist International]]
*[[Gerasimos Arsenis]] (1994), former [[Minister of Defense]] of Greece
*[[Stefanos Manos]] (1986, 1993, 2001), Greek politician
*[[Andreas Andrianopoulos]] (1988), former [[Mayor]] of [[Piraeus]]

===Turkey===
*[[Süleyman Demirel]] (1975), former [[Prime Minister of Turkey]]
*[[Bülent Ecevit]] (1975), former Prime Minister of Turkey
*[[Adnan Menderes]] (1956), former Prime Minister of Turkey
*[[Mesut Yilmaz]] (1990), former Prime Minister of Turkey
*[[Selim Sarper]] (1966), former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey
*[[İsmail Cem]] (1989, 1998), former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey
*[[Hikmet Çetin]] (1995, 2007), former [[List of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Turkey|Minister of Foreign Affairs]] and former leader of the [[Cumhuriyet Halk Partisi|Republican People's Party]] (CHP)
*[[Emre Gönensay]] (1992, 1996, 2007), former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey
*[[Ali Babacan]] (2003, 2004, 2007, 2008), current Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey

=== Sweden ===
*[[Fredrik Reinfeldt]] (2006), [[Prime Minister of Sweden]], 2006 - present
*[[Carl Bildt]]<ref name=prweb97/> (1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2006-2008), former Prime Minister of Sweden and current [[Minister for Foreign Affairs (Sweden)|Minister for Foreign Affairs]]
*[[Olof Palme]] (1962, 1966, 1973, 1975, 1984), former Prime Minister of Sweden
*[[Percy Barnevik]] (1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001), Businessman
*[[Mona Sahlin]] (1996), Chairman of the Swedish Social Democratic Party, (Invited by [[Percy Barnevik]])
*[[Thorbjörn Fälldin]] (1978), former Prime Minister of Sweden
*[[Tage Erlander]] (1962, 1966), former Prime Minister of Sweden
*[[Leif Pagrotsky]] (2001), former Swedish Minister for Education, Research and Culture [http://www.bilderberg.org/2001.htm];
*[[Anders Borg]] (2007), current [[Minister for Finance]] of [[Sweden]]
*[[Herbert Tingsten]] (1954, 1955, 1966), former Chief Editor, [[Dagens Nyheter]]
*[[Martin Waldenström]] (1955), Industrialist
*[[Björn Lundvall]] (1968, 1975, 1977-1980) ([[LM Ericsson]])
*[[Anna Lindh]] (2003), former Minister for Foreign Affairs (Sweden)
*[[Göran Persson]] (2001), former Prime Minister of Sweden
*[[Gunnar Sträng]] (1973), former Minister for Finance of Sweden
*[[Krister Wickman]] (1973, 1974, 1975, 1977), former Minister for Foreign Affairs (Sweden)
*[[Hans Blix]] (1989), former Minister for Foreign Affairs (Sweden)
*[[Maud Olofsson]] (2008), [[Deputy Prime Minister]] of Sweden

=== Norway ===
*[[Gro Harlem Brundtland]] (1982, 1983), former [[Prime Minister of Norway]]
*[[Kåre Willoch]] (1966, 1968, 1982, 1987), former Prime Minister of Norway
*[[Trygve Bratteli]] (1977), former Prime Minister of Norway
*[[Jens Stoltenberg]], (2002), current Prime Minister of Norway
*[[Siv Jensen]] (2006), Chairman [[Fremskrittspartiet]]
*[[Johann Olav Koss]] (2006)
*[[Halvard Lange]] (1964), former [[Minister of Foreign Affairs (Norway)]]
*[[Ole Myrvoll]] (1974), former [[Minister of Finance (Norway)]], former [[Mayor]] of [[Bergen]]
*[[Svein Gjedrem]] (2003), Chairman of [[Norges Bank]] 1999 - present
*[[Dagfinn Varvik]] (1975), former Chairman, [[Centre Party (Norway)]]

=== Denmark ===
*[[Anders Fogh Rasmussen]] (2003), current [[Prime Minister of Denmark]]
*[[Mogens Lykketoft]] (1998), former leader of the [[Social Democrats (Denmark)|Social Democrats]] of Denmark
*[[Tøger Seidenfaden]] (1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999), editor-in-chief of Danish newspaper "Politiken"
*[[Ritt Bjerregaard]] (1991, 1995), former Danish Secretary of Education, EU Commissioner and currently [[Mayor]] of [[Copenhagen]]
*[[Anders Eldrup]] (2001-2007, 2008), Former permanent secretary to the [[Ministry of Finance]], current CEO, Danish Oil and Gas Corporation (DONG){{Fact|date=February 2007}}
*[[Flemming Rose]] (2008), cultural editor (Originator of the [[Mohammed_Cartoon|Muhammed cartoon controversy]]), [[Jyllands-Posten]]

=== Finland ===
*[[Jaakko Iloniemi]] (1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990-1997)
*[[Ilkka Suominen]] (1988)
*[[Aatos Erkko]] (1991)
*[[Jarl Köhler]] (1992-1994)
*[[Ulf L. Sundqvist]] (1992)
*[[Johannes Koroma]] (1993)
*[[Jorma Ollila]] (1994, 1997-2008), former CEO of [[Nokia]]
*[[Krister Ahlström]] (1994), former CEO of [[Ahlstrom]]
*[[Georg Ehrnrooth]] (1994)
*[[Sirkka Hämäläinen]] (1994)
*[[Jaakko Ihamuotila]] (1994)
*[[Max Jakobson]] (1975, 1994)
*[[Gerhard M. H. Wendt]] (1994)
*[[Jukka Harmaja]] (1995)
*[[Björn Mattsson]] (1995)
*[[Pertti Voutilainen]] (1995)
*[[Janne Virkkunen]] (1998, 2001)
*[[Olli-Pekka Heinonen]] (2001)
*[[Christoffer Taxell]] (2002)
*[[Teija H. Tiilikainen]] (2002-2007)
*[[Olli Kivinen]] (2003)
*[[Björn Whalroos]] (2003)
*[[Paula Lehtomäki]] (2004)
*[[Erkki Liikanen]] (1999, 2005)
*[[Matti Vanhala]] (1999)
*[[Pentti Vartia]] (1999)
*[[Mikael Pentikäinen]] (2005)
*[[Eero Heinäluoma]] (2006)
*[[Sixten Korkman]] (2006)
*[[Atte Jääskeläinen]] (2007)
*[[Kalevi Sorsa]] (1990), former [[Prime Minister of Finland]]
*[[Esko Aho]] (1994), former [[Prime Minister of Finland]]
*[[Paavo Lipponen]] (1998, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004), former [[Prime Minister of Finland]]
*[[Matti Vanhanen]], current [[Prime Minister of Finland]]
*[[Martti Ahtisaari]] (1994, 1995, 1996), former [[President of Finland]]
*[[Sauli Niinistö]] (1997)<ref name=prweb97/>, former [[Minister of Finance (Finland)]], Speaker of Parliament
*[[Jyrki Katainen]] (2007), current Minister of Finance (Finland)

=== Iceland ===
*[[Davíð Oddsson]] (1987, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1997, 1999), former [[Prime Minister of Iceland]], 1991-2004. Since 2005 he has chaired the board of governors of the [[Central Bank of Iceland]].
*[[Geir Hallgrímsson]] (1973, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984-1988, 1990), [[Prime Minister of Iceland]]
*[[Björn Bjarnason]] (1977, 1978, 1982-1985, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1995), vice editor of [[Morgunblaðið]] (1984 - 1991), Icelandic Minister of Education (1995 - 2002), current Minister for Justice and Ecclesiastical Affairs (since 2003)

=== Russia ===
*[[Anatoly Chubais]] (1998), Russian politician
*[[Grigory Alexeyevich Yavlinsky]] (2004), Russian politician

=== Slovakia ===
*[[Ivan Mikloš]] (2005), former [[Deputy Prime Minister]] of [[Slovakia]]

=== Czech Republic ===
*[[Karel Schwarzenberg]] (2008), Czech Minister of Foreign Affairs
*[[Jiří Pehe]] (2001), Director, [[New York University]] in Prague; former advisor to President [[Václav Havel]]
*[[Michael Žantovský]] (1999), Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defense and Security, Czech Senate, presently Czech [[Ambassador]] in Israel
*[[Karel Kovanda]] (1998), Head of Mission of the Czech Republic to NATO and the WEU, presently Deputy Director General responsible for CFSP, Multilateral Relations and North America, East Asia, Australia, New Zealand, EEA, EFTA

=== Poland ===
*[[Joseph Retinger]] (1954-1960), founder of Bilderberg Group
*[[Hanna Suchocka]] (1998), first woman [[Prime Minister of Poland]]
*[[Andrzej Olechowski]] (1994-1999, 2003), former leader of [[Civic Platform]]
*[[Aleksander Kwaśniewski]] (2008), former [[President of Poland]]

=== Hungary ===
*[[János Martonyi]] (2008), former Hungarian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Professor of International Trade Law, Partner, [[Baker & McKenzie]]
*[[Gyorgy Suranyi]] (1996, 1997, 1999), former President, [[Hungarian National Bank]]

=== Israel ===
*[[Natan Sharansky]] (2005)

=== Iran ===
*[[Seyyed Mohammad Khatami]] (2006)

=== Iraq ===
*[[Ahmed Chalabi]] (2006)

=== New Zealand ===
*[[Thomas Clifton Webb]] (1955)

===EU Commissioners===
European Union Commissioners who have attended include:
*[[Joaquin Almunia]] (1998, 2008), [[European Commissioner for Economic & Financial Affairs]]
*[[José Manuel Barroso]] (1994, 2003), current President of the European Commission
*[[Ritt Bjerregaard]] (1991, 1995), Lord Mayor of [[Copenhagen]] and former [[European Commissioner]] for [[European Commissioner for Environment, Nuclear Safety and Civil Protection|Environment, Nuclear Safety and Civil Protection]]<ref name=mc/>
*[[Frederik Bolkestein]] (1996, 2003),<ref name=ProdiMay03>{{cite web|url=http://www.europarl.europa.eu/omk/sipade3?L=EN&OBJID=66797&LEVEL=4&SAME_LEVEL=1&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y|title=Answer given by Mr Prodi on behalf of the Commission|date= [[15 May]] [[2003]]|publisher=European Parliament}}</ref> former European Commissioner
*[[Emma Bonino]] (1998)
*[[Leon Brittan]] (1992, 1998)
*[[Hans van den Broek]] (1986, 1988, 1991, 1995),<ref name=mc/> former European Commissioner
*[[David Byrne (politician)]] (2005), former European Commissioner
*[[Henning Christophersen]] (1979, 1982, 1983)
*[[Étienne Davignon]] (1974, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994-2008), Bilderberg conference chairman in 2005
*[[Jacques Delors]] (1992), former President of the European Commission
*[[Franz Fischler]] (2001), former European Commissioner
*[[Walter Hallstein]] (1955, 1958, 1966), former President of the European Commission
*[[Neelie Kroes]] (2005 - 2008), present Commissioner for Competition
*[[Pascal Lamy]] (2003)<ref name=ProdiMay03/>
*[[Erkki Liikanen]] (1999, 2005)
*[[Franco Maria Malfatti]] (1964, 1966, 1974), former President of the European Commission
*[[Peter Mandelson]] (1999<ref>[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmregmem/memi19.htm [[British House of Commons]] - Register of Journalists' Interests]</ref>)
*[[Sicco Mansholt]] (1963, 1964, 1966), former President of the European Commission
*[[Robert Marjolin]] (1966), former European Commissioner
*[[Charlie McCreevy]] (2008), European Commissioner
*[[Karel Van Miert]] (1993), former European Commissioner
*[[Mario Monti]] (1983-1994, 1996, 1999, 2003<ref name=ProdiMay03/>) ,former and/or present member of the Bilderberg Steering Committee<ref name=mc/>
*[[Francois-Xavier Ortoli]] (1977), former President of the European Commission
*[[Filippo Pandolfi]] (1989)
*[[Chris Patten|Lord Patten of Barnes]] (2007)
*[[Andris Piebalgs]] (2006), [[European Commissioner for Energy]]
*[[Romano Prodi]], Steering Committee Member of Bilderberg in the 1980s
*[[Olli Rehn]] (2007), [[European Commissioner for Enlargement]]
*[[Jean Rey]] (1966), former President of the European Commission
*[[Jacques Santer]] (1991), former President of the European Commission
*[[Henri Simonet]] (1971, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1982), former Vice Chairman of the [[European Commission]]
*[[Javier Solana]] (1985, 1998, 2000), [[High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy]] (CFSP) and the Secretary-General of both the [[Council of the European Union|Council]] of the [[European Union]] (EU) and the [[Western European Union]] (WEU)
*[[Pedro Solbes]] (1999)
*[[Gaston Thorn]], former President of the European Commission
*[[Günter Verheugen]] (1995)
*[[António Vitorino]] (1996)

===UN, WTO, NATO and other International Organizations===
*[[Josette Sheeran]] (2007), Executive Director of [[United Nations World Food Programme]]
*[[Kurt Waldheim]], former [[United Nations Secretary-General]]
*[[Kemal Derviş]] (2002), current [[United Nations Development Program]] (UNDP) Administrator
*[[Ad Melkert]] (1996), current UNDP Associate Administrator
*[[Thorvald Stoltenberg]] (1973, 1982, 1994, 1995), former United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
*[[Muhammad Zafrulla Khan]] (1955, 1966), Pakistani politician, diplomat and international jurist
*[[Knut Vollebæk]] (2008), [[OSCE]] High Commissioner on National Minorities
*[[Eric Wyndham White]] (1964, 1966), former Director-General of the World Trade Organization
*[[Arthur Dunkel]] (1991), former Director-General of the World Trade Organization
*[[Mike Moore]] (2000), former [[Director-General of the World Trade Organization]]
*[[Renato Ruggiero]] (1986, 1987, 1990-1996), former Director-General of the World Trade Organization
*[[Jaap de Hoop Scheffer]] (2003, 2008), current [[Secretary General of NATO]]
*[[George Robertson, Baron Robertson of Port Ellen]] (1998), former Secretary General of NATO<ref name=mc>[http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do;jsessionid=39925954F85E4D7649628FB174DE8D2B.node1?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+P-1998-3880+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN Parliamentary questions - [[11 December]] [[1998]] - WRITTEN QUESTION by [[Patricia McKenna]] (V) to the European Commission]</ref>
*[[Willy Claes]] (1994, 1995, 2003), former Secretary General of NATO
*[[Manfred Wörner]] (1982, 1985, 1990-1993), former Secretary General of NATO
*[[Joseph Luns]] (1964, 1966-1968, 1971, 1973-1975, 1977, 1978-1984), former Secretary General of NATO
*[[Manlio Brosio]] (1965-1967), former Secretary General of NATO
*[[Dirk Stikker]] (1964, 1966), former Secretary General of NATO
*[[Paul-Henri Spaak]] (1963, 1966), former Secretary General of NATO
*[[Hastings Ismay, 1st Baron Ismay]] (1955), former Secretary General of NATO

==Military==

*[[Terence Airey]] (1955, 1966), Military Governor of Trieste
*[[Colin Gubbins]] (1955, 1957, 1958, 1963, 1964, 1966), head of the British SOE<ref>{{cite book
|title=Organizing Atlanticism: the Bilderberg Group and the Atlantic Institute 1952-63
|author=Valerie Aubourg
|month=June | year=2003}}</ref>
*[[Hans Speidel]] (1964, 1966), former World War II and [[Cold War]] general

==Corporate==
===Financial institutions===
*[[Hermann Josef Abs]] (1958, 1966), former Chairman of [[Deutsche Bank]]
*[[Josef Ackermann]] (2005, 2008), CEO of [[Deutsche Bank]]
*[[Wilfrid S. Baumgartner]] (1963-1968, 1971, 1974, 1975), former Governor, [[Banque de France]]
*[[Ben S. Bernanke]] (2008), current [[Chairman of the Federal Reserve]]
*[[Michel Camdessus]], former [[IMF]] Managing Director
*[[Guido Carli]] (1958, 1965, 1966, 1975, 1977, 1987), former Governor of the [[Banca d'Italia]]
*[[Tim Collins (financier)]] (2003, 2008), founder, [[Chief Executive Officer]] of [[Ripplewood Holdings LLC]]
*[[E. Gerald Corrigan]] (1994), former President of the [[Federal Reserve Bank of New York]], current [[Goldman Sachs]] Managing Director
*[[Mario Draghi]] (1994, 1995, 2004, 2008), current Governor of the [[Banca d'Italia]]
*[[Wim Duisenberg]] (1977, 1978-1983, 1986), former President of the [[European Central Bank]]
*[[Otmar Emminger]] (1966), former President of the [[Deutsche Bundesbank]]
*[[Timothy F. Geithner]] (2004, 2008), current President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
*[[Dermot Gleeson]] (1995, 2008), Chairman of [[Allied Irish Banks]]
*[[Alan Greenspan]] (2002), former Chairman of the Federal Reserve
*[[Alfred Herrhausen]] (1978-1985, 1987, 1988), German banker, former Chairman of [[Deutsche Bank]]
*[[André A. Jackson| André Action Diakité Jackson]] (2002), Chairman of [[JFPI Corporation]]
*[[Kenneth Jacobs]] (2007, 2008), Deputy Chairman, [[Lazard Frères & Co. LLC]]
*[[Per Jacobsson]] (1957), former [[IMF]] Managing Director
*[[James A. Johnson (businessman)]] (1998, 2008), Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
*[[Mervyn A. King]] (2003), current Governor of the [[Bank Of England]]
*[[Cyril Kleinwort]] (1966, 1971), former Chairman, [[Kleinwort Benson]]
*[[Hilmar Kopper]] (1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1998-2003, 2005), former CEO of [[Deutsche Bank]]
*[[Alexandre Lamfalussy]] (1983, 1986, 1988, 1992), former General Manager of the [[Bank for International Settlements]]
*[[Thomas S. Lamont]] (1957), former Vice Chairman, Morgan Guaranty Trust
*[[Jacques de Larosière]] (1982), former Governor of the [[Banque de France]]
*[[Rene Larre]] (1974), former Director, [[Bank for International Settlements]]
*[[William J McDonough]] (1997)<ref name=prweb97/>, former President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
*[[Tom McKillop]] (2008), Chairman, [[The Royal Bank of Scotland Group]]
*[[Karl Otto Pöhl]] (1982, 1991), former President of the [[Deutsche Bundesbank]]
*[[Jürgen Ponto]] (1975), German banker, former Chairman of [[Dresdner Bank]]
*[[John Francis Prideaux]] (1974), former Chairman, [[National Westminster Bank]]
*[[Louis Rasminsky]] (1968), former Governor of the [[Bank of Canada]]
*[[Rodrigo Rato]] (1992, 1994), former IMF Managing Director
*[[Gordon Richardson, Baron Richardson of Duntisbourne|Gordon Richardson]] (1966, 1975),<ref>{{cite news
|title=Times Profile: The Bilderberg Group
|date=[[April 18]], [[1977]]
|author=Caroline Moorehead
|work=The Times}}</ref> former [[Governor of the Bank of England]]
*[[David Rockefeller]], CEO of [[Chase Manhattan Bank]]
*[[Robert Roosa]] (1966), former Partner, [[Brown Brothers Harriman]]
*[[Emma Rothschild]] (1995)
*[[Sir Evelyn de Rothschild]] (1983, 1998)
*[[Guy de Rothschild]] (1974)
*[[Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild]]
*[[Lynn Forester de Rothschild]] (1998)
*[[Rudolf Scholten]] (1992, 1999-2001, 2003-2008), CEO of [[Oesterreichische Kontrollbank]]
*[[Pierre-Paul Schweitzer]] (1964, 1966), former [[IMF]] Managing Director
*[[George Soros]] (1990, 1994, 1996, 2000, 2002)
*[[Dominique Strauss-Kahn]] (2000), Managing Director of the [[International Monetary Fund]] (IMF) and member of the [[social-democrat]] [[Socialist Party (France)|Socialist Party]] of France
*[[Gerald Thompson]] (1974), former Chairman, [[Kleinwort Benson]]
*[[Jean-Claude Trichet]] (1995, 1999, 2008), current President of the European Central Bank
*[[Anthony Tuke]] (1974), former President, [[Barclays Bank]]
*[[Alfons Verplaetse]] (1990), former Governor of the [[National Bank of Belgium]]
*[[Paul Volcker]] (1982, 1983, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1992, 1997)<ref name=prweb97/>, former Chairman of the Federal Reserve
*[[Marcus Wallenberg]] (1996, 1997), current Chairman of [[Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken]], former [[CEO]] of [[Investor AB]]
*[[Jacob Wallenberg]] (1998, 2008), current Chairman of [[Investor AB]], former Chairman of [[Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken]]
*[[Siegmund Warburg]] (1966, 1977), founder of [[S. G. Warburg & Co.]]
*[[Eric Warburg]] (1957), founder of [[Warburg Pincus]]
*[[James Wolfensohn]] (1985, 1987, 1988, 1989-1999, 2004, 2008), former President of the [[World Bank Group]]
*[[Walter Wriston]] (1964, 1966), former Chairman, [[Citibank]]

===Major corporations===

*[[Gianni Agnelli|Giovanni Agnelli]] (1958, 1963, 1964, 1966-1968, 1973-1975, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1987-1998, 2000), former CEO of [[Fiat]]
*[[Otto Wolff von Amerongen]] (1955, 1957, 1958, 1963, 1964, 1966-1968, 1971, 1973-1975, 1977-1980, 1982-2001), CEO of [[Otto Wolff Group]] (today: Part of [[ThyssenKrupp]])
*[[Dwayne Andreas]] (1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987-1996), Chairman and CEO of [[Archer Daniels Midland]]
*[[Percy Barnevik]] (1992-1996, 1997,<ref name=prweb97/> 2001), former CEO of [[ASEA]]
*[[Anders Björgerd]] (1973, 1982), former deputy CEO of [[Sydkraft AB]]
*[[Lloyd Blankfein]] (2007), [[CEO]] of [[Goldman Sachs]]
*[[Ian Bremmer]] (2007), President of [[Eurasia Group]]
*[[John Browne, Baron Browne of Madingley|Lord Browne of Madingley]] (1995, 1997,<ref name=prweb97/> 2004), Chief Executive [[BP]]
*[[Gerhard Cromme]] (2000), former CEO and Chairman of [[ThyssenKrupp]]
*[[Paul Desmarais]] (1982)
*[[Paul Desmarais, Jr.]] (2006, 2008), Chairman and co-[[CEO]] of [[Power Corporation of Canada]]
*[[John Elkann]] (2008), vice chairman of [[Fiat]] and the Agnelli Group investment company [[IFIL]]
*[[Louis V. Gerstner]] (1994, 1997), former Chairman of [[IBM]], current Chairman of [[The Carlyle Group]]
*[[Maurice R. Greenberg]] (1989-1991), former Chairman and CEO of [[American International Group]]
*[[H. J. Heinz II]] (1954)<ref name=hatch>{{cite book
|title=H.R.H.Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands: An authorized biography
|last=Hatch
|first=Alden
|year=1962
|location=London
|publisher=Harrap
|id=ISBN B0000CLLN4
}}</ref>, CEO of H. J. Heinz Company
*[[Paul Hermelin]] (2007), [[CEO]] of [[Capgemini]]
*[[Daniel Janssen]] (1971, 1973-1975, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1995), former Chairman of the Executive Committee, [[Solvay (company)]], former vice president of the board, [[Union Chimique Belge]], member of the [[European Round Table of Industrialists]], member of [[Trilateral Commission]] executive committee
*[[James Kimsey]] (2006), co-founder, [[Chief executive officer|CEO]], and first chairman of [[America Online]] (AOL)
*[[Andrew Knight]] (1978, 1980-1985, 1987-1996), Director of [[News Corporation]], 1991-present, CEO of [[News International]], 1900-1994, CEO and Editor-in-Chief [[The Daily Telegraph|The Daily Telegraph Group]], Editor of [[The Economist]], 1974-1984
*[[Klaus Kleinfeld]] (2008), [[CEO]] of [[Siemens AG]]
*[[Rahmi Koç]] (1994), Turkish business tycoon
*[[Idar Kreutzer]] (2007), [[CEO]] of [[Storebrand]]
*[[Craig Mundie]] (2008), chief research and strategy officer at [[Microsoft]]
*[[Egil Myklebust]] (1997, 2006, 2008), [[Chair (official)|Chairman of the Board]] of [[SAS Group]]
*[[Stavros Niarchos]] (1967, 1968), Greek shipping tycoon
*[[Harald Norvik]] (2006), former CEO of [[Statoil]]
*[[Jorma Ollila]] (1997,<ref name=prweb97/> 2005, 2008), Chairman of [[Royal Dutch Shell]] and [[Nokia|Nokia Corporation]]
*[[Eivind Reiten]] (2000), former CEO of [[Norsk Hydro]]
*[[Eric E. Schmidt]] (2007, 2008), Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, [[Google]]
*[[Jürgen E. Schrempp]] (1994-1996, 1997,<ref name=prweb97/> 1998, 1999, 2001-2005, 2006, 2007), former CEO of [[DaimlerChrysler]]
*[[Ekkehard Schulz]] (2002, 2005, 2006), CEO of [[ThyssenKrupp]]
*[[Peter Sutherland]] (1989-1996, 1997,<ref name=prweb97/> 2005), former Chairman of [[BP]]
*[[Sidney Taurel]] (2007), Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, [[Eli Lilly]]
*[[Martin Taylor (businessman)|Martin Taylor]] (1993-1996, 1997),<ref name=prweb97/> former CEO, [[Barclays Bank|Barclays]]
*[[Peter A. Thiel]] (2007, 2008), Co-Founder, [[PayPal]]
*[[Daniel Vasella]] (1998, 1999, 2005, 2008), Chairman and CEO of [[Novartis]]
*[[Jürgen Weber]] (2004), Chairman of [[Lufthansa]] Airline
*[[Klaus Zumwinkel]] (2002-2006), former CEO of [[Deutsche Post AG]]

==University, institute and other academic ==
*[[Heather Munroe-Blum]] (1997), Principal and Vice-Chancellor, [[McGill University]], [[Montreal]], Canada
*[[Marie-Josée Kravis]] (1998, 1999, 2008), Senior Fellow, [[Hudson Institute]]
*[[C. Fred Bergsten]] (1971, 1974, 1984, 1997)<ref name=prweb97/>, President, [[Peterson Institute]]
*[[Walter Isaacson]] (2004), President, [[Aspen Institute]]
*[[Bruce MacLaury]] (1977), former President, [[Brookings Institution]]
*[[Victor Halberstadt]] (1975, 1977, 1978-1999, 2008), Professor of Economics, [[Leiden University]], Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings, [[Netherlands]]
*[[Klaus Schwab]] (1995-1997), founder of the [[World Economic Forum]]
*[[Laurence Parisot]] (2007), Head of French [[MEDEF]]
*[[Marshall McLuhan]], Canadian Professor of [[English literature]], [[literary critic]], and [[Communication theory|communications theorist]]
*[[Michael Boskin]] (1991), Professor of Economics and Senior Fellow at the [[Hoover Institution]]
*[[William Kristol]] (1995), co-founder of the [[Project for the New American Century]] (PNAC), member of the [[American Enterprise Institute]], the [[Manhattan Institute]] and the [[Ethics and Public Policy Center]]
*[[Graham Allison]] (1970, 1971, 1974, 2007), [[Harvard]] [[political scientist]] and leading analyst of U.S. [[national security]] and defense policy with a special interest in [[nuclear weapons]] and [[terrorism]]
*[[Eberhard Sandschneider]] (2004), [[political scientist]], Director of the Research Institute of the [[Deutsche Gesellschaft für auswärtige Politik]], expert on China
*[[Fouad Ajami]] (2006, 2008), Director, Middle East Studies Program, The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, [[Johns Hopkins University]]
*[[Barnett Rubin]] (2008), Director of Studies and Senior Fellow, Center for International Cooperation, [[New York University]]
*[[Chester A. Crocker]] (2008), James R. Schlesinger Professor of Strategic Studies
*[[Martha Farah]] (2008), Director, Center for Cognitive Neuroscience; Walter H. Annenberg Professor in the Natural Sciences, [[University of Pennsylvania]]
*[[Roger Martin]] (2008), Dean, [[Rotman School of Management]], [[University of Toronto]]
*[[Jeffrey Sachs]] (1990), Professor, [[Harvard University]]
*[[John Polanyi]] (1991), Professor of Chemistry, [[University of Toronto]]
*[[Gerald L. Curtis]] (1990), Professor of Political Science, [[Columbia University]]
*[[Aurelio Peccei]] (1963, 1964, 1966-1968), founder of the [[Club of Rome]]
*[[Lester Thurow]] (1977), Professor of Economics, [[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]], [[Sloan School]], former Dean, [[MIT Sloan School of Management]]
*[[Paul Samuelson]] (1966, 1970), [[United States|American]] [[Economist]], Professor of Economics, [[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]]
*[[Andrew W. Cordier]] (1966, 1970), former President of [[Columbia University]]
*[[Theodore M. Hesburgh]] (1975), former President, [[Notre Dame University]]
*[[Paul McCracken]] (1975), [[University of Michigan]]
*[[Marshall Shulman]] (1964, 1966)
*[[Kingman Brewster, Jr.]] (1966), former President, [[Yale University]]
*[[Stanley Hoffmann]] (1967)
*[[Ralf Dahrendorf]] (1974, 1975, 1977)

==Media==
*[[Michael Barone (pundit)]] (2007), journalist
*[[Frederick S. Beebe]] (1967), former Chairman, [[Washington Post]]
*[[John G. Bernander]] (2002), former head of the Norwegian national broadcaster [[NRK]]
*[[Conrad Black|Lord Black of Crossharbour]] (1981, 1983, 1985-1996, 1997)<ref name=prweb97/>,''[[The Daily Telegraph|Telegraph]]'' Chairman
*[[Oscar Bronner]] (2005-2007, 2008), Editor of the Austrian newspaper [[Der Standard]]
*[[William F. Buckley, Jr.]] (1975, 1996), founder of ''[[National Review]]'' and former host of ''[[Firing Line]]''
*[[Hubert Burda]] (1997, 1998, 2001, 2003, 2005-2007), Owner and CEO of [[Hubert Burda Media]]
*[[Phillip Crawley]] (2006), [[Globe and Mail]] Publisher
*[[Mathias Döpfner]] (2005-2007), CEO of [[Axel Springer AG]], editing amongst others [[Die Welt]] and [[Bild]]
*[[Hedley Donovan]] (1966)
*[[Esther Dyson]] (2007), commentator on emerging digital technology
*[[Osborn Elliott]] (1971), former Editor in Chief, [[Newsweek]]
*[[Paul Finney]] (1977), former Managing Editor, [[Business Week]]
*[[Donald E. Graham]] (1999, 2008), Chairman of the Board of [[The Washington Post Company]]
*[[Katharine Graham]], former Publisher and Chairman of [[The Washington Post Company]]
*[[Henry Grunwald]] (1974), former Managing Editor, [[Time (magazine)]]
*[[Josef Joffe]] (1993, 2006), Publisher of [[Die Zeit]]
*[[Rupert Murdoch]] (1982, 1988)
*[[Christine Ockrent]] (1984, 2007, 2008), former first anchor of the 8pm news on the [[Antenne 2]] French TV channel
*[[Anthony O'Reilly]] (1983), Irish media tycoon
*[[Norman Podhoretz]] (1996), Editor, [[Commentary]]
*[[George Stephanopoulos]] (1996, 1997<ref name=prweb97/>), [[ABC News]]'s Chief Washington Correspondent, host of [[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]]'s ''[[This Week (ABC TV series)|This Week]]'', senior political adviser to the [[U.S. presidential election, 1992|1992 U.S. presidential campaign]] of [[Bill Clinton]] and former [[White House Communications Director|communications director]] for Clinton.
*[[Arthur Hays Sulzberger]] (1956, 1957, 1966)
*[[Cyrus L. Sulzberger]] (1966, 1975)
*[[Arthur Taylor]] (1977), former President, [[CBS]]
*[[Ben J. Wattenberg]] (1982)
*[[Mortimer Zuckerman]] (1994), publisher/owner of the ''[[New York Daily News]]'', current Editor-in-Chief of ''[[U.S. News & World Report]]''

===Journalists===
*[[Alexandre Adler]] (2003), French conservative journalist
*[[Paul Gigot]] (1996, 2008), Editor of the Editorial Page of ''[[The Wall Street Journal]]'' 2003- present
*[[Martin Wolf]] (1999-2001, 2003-2006), ''[[Financial Times]]'' columnist
*[[Juan Luis Cebrián]] (1983, 1985, 1987-1990, 1993, 2008), Ex-director of ''[[El País]]'' Spanish daily newspaper and CEO of [[PRISA]] Group
*[[Will Hutton]] (1997)<ref name=BBCSep05/>
*[[Peter Jennings]] (1995)
*[[George Will]] (1978, 1981)
*[[Charlie Rose]] (2002, 2008)
*[[Fareed Zakaria]] (2002, 2005)
*[[Andrea Mitchell]] (2002)
*[[Lesley Stahl]] (1989, 1997)
*[[Thomas L. Friedman]] (1995, 2003)
*[[Bill D. Moyers]] (1967, 1968, 1971, 1973)
*[[Jim Hoagland]] (1993, 1998, 1999, 2002)
*[[Joseph Kraft]] (1967)
*[[James Reston]] (1966)
*[[Max Frankel]] (1966)
*[[Tom Wicker]] (1968)
*[[Vendeline A. H. von Bredow]] (2006-2008), Business Correspondent for ''[[The Economist]]''
*[[Adrian Wooldridge]] (2004-2008), Foreign Correspondent for ''The Economist''

==Other==

*Guest at the [[2003 Bilderberg Meeting]] included [[Carlos M. Collazo]];
*Guests at the [[2004 Bilderberg Meeting]] included [[Melinda Gates]], and [[Mario Draghi]];
*Guests at the [[2005 Bilderberg Meeting]] included [[Vernon Jordan]] and [[Mark Warner]] and may also have included, according to the ''[[Financial Times]]'' of [[May 2]], [[Natan Sharansky]] and [[Bernard Kouchner]];
*Guests at the 2006 Bilderberg Meeting included [[Vernon Jordan]], [[George Pataki]], [[Richard Perle]], [[Dennis Ross]], and prominent Canadians [[Paul Desmarais]], [[Frank McKenna]], [[Heather Reisman]] and [[Globe and Mail]] publisher [[Phillip Crawley]]. Other international guests included [[Mahmood Sariolghalam]] ([[Iran National University]]), [[Siv Jensen]], leader of Norwegian political party [[Fremskrittspartiet]], [[Johann Olav Koss]], and chairman of [[Scandinavian Airlines]], [[Egil Myklebust]];

==References==
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===EU Commissioners===
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?SAME_LEVEL=1&LEVEL=5&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y&DETAIL=&PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+P-1998-3880+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN Bilderberg meetings] – MEP [[Patricia McKenna]] (V) to European Commission December 11, 1998
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?SAME_LEVEL=1&LEVEL=5&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y&DETAIL=&PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQA+P-1998-3880-N+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN Answer given by Mr Santer on behalf of the Commission] 19 January, 1999
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+E-1998-3899+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&L=EN&LEVEL=3&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Participation of Commissioner Emma Bonino in the 1998 Bilderberg meeting] – McKenna 4 January 1999
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+E-1998-3900+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&L=EN&LEVEL=3&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Participation of Commissioner Hans van den Broek in the 1995 Bilderberg meeting] – McKenna 4 January 1999
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+E-1998-3901+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&L=EN&LEVEL=3&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Participation of Commissioner Leon Brittan in the 1998 Bilderberg meeting ] – McKenna 4 January 1999
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+E-1998-3902+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&L=EN&LEVEL=3&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Participation of Commissioner Ritt Bjerregaard in the 1995 Bilderberg meeting] – McKenna 4 January 1999
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+E-1998-3903+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&L=EN&LEVEL=3&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Participation of Commissioner Mario Monti in Bilderberg] – McKenna 4 January 1999
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?L=EN&OBJID=40240&LEVEL=4&SAME_LEVEL=1&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Joint answer given by Mr Santer on behalf of the Commission] 5 February 1999
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+P-1999-0583+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&L=EN&LEVEL=3&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Commissioner Monti's membership of the Executive Committee of the Trilateral Commission] – McKenna 3 March 1999
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?L=EN&OBJID=42893&LEVEL=5&SAME_LEVEL=1&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Answer given by Mr Santer on behalf of the Commission] 8 April 1999
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?L=EN&OBJID=88236&DETAIL=H-2000-0358&MODE-CRE=NAV Commissioner Solbes Mira and Trilateral/Bilderberg] MEP Patricia McKenna 19 May 2000
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+P-2003-1370+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&L=EN&LEVEL=3&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Commissioners' links to the Bilderberg Group] – MEP Patricia McKenna (Verts/ALE) to the Commission 4 April 2003
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?L=EN&OBJID=66797&LEVEL=4&SAME_LEVEL=1&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Answer given by Mr Prodi on behalf of the Commission] 15 May 2003
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+E-2003-1846+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&L=EN&LEVEL=3&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Incompatibility between the holding of a Community decision-making office and membership of the Bilderberg Club and the Trilateral Commission] MEP [[Mario Borghezio]](NI) to the Commission 3 June 2003
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?L=EN&OBJID=69328&LEVEL=4&SAME_LEVEL=1&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Answer given by Mr Prodi on behalf of the Commission] 6 August 2003
*Other discussions of interest:
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+E-1998-2617+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&L=EN&LEVEL=3&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Commission policy on public opinion] [[Sören Wibe]] (PSE) to the Commission 1 September 1998
*[http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?L=EN&OBJID=39354&LEVEL=4&SAME_LEVEL=1&NAV=S&LSTDOC=Y Answer given by Mr Santer on behalf of the Commission] 20 October 1998
*[http://ue.eu.int/cms3_applications/applications/solana/archAgendaMonth.asp?cmsid=246&month=11&year=2002 November 2002 Calendar of Javier Solana] "Address to the Steering Committee Bilderberg followed by working lunch"

===Register of members interests at the British House of Commons===
* [http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200304/ldreg/reg21.htm REGISTER OF LORDS' INTERESTS] ROLL OF IPSDEN, Lord: Member, Bilderberg Steering Committee
* [http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmregmem/memi06.htm Register of Journalists' Interests] CLARKE, Rt. Hon. Kenneth: |3-6 June 1999, to [[Portugal]], to attend Bilderberg meetings
* [http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmregmem/memi06.htm Register of Members' Interests] CLARKE, Rt. Hon. Kenneth: 14-17 May 1998, I attended the Bilderberg Conference at [[Turnberry Resort, Scotland|Turnberry]] in [[Scotland]]
* [http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmregmem/memi19.htm Register of Journalists' Interests] MANDELSON, Rt. Hon. Peter: June 1999, to Portugal, to attend Bilderberg Conference

===Discussion on the topic of Bilderberg at the House of Commons===
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199596/ldhansrd/vo960319/text/60319w01.htm#60319w01_sbhd0 Sir David Hannay: Attendance at Bilderberg Conference] – Lord Stoddart of [[Swindon]] asked Her Majesty's Government 19 March 1996
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmselect/cmstnprv/180iii/sp0304.htm Complaint against Mr Kenneth Clarke] – Memorandum submitted by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards 22 July 1997
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmhansrd/vo980330/text/80330w06.htm#80330w06.html_sbhd6 Bilderberg Group] – A question by [[Christopher Gill|Mr Gill]] and an answer by the Prime Minister 30 March 1998
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmhansrd/vo980407/text/80407w21.htm#80407w21.html_sbhd2 Bilderberg Group] – A question by [[Nicholas Winterton|Mr Winterton]] and an answer by [[Jeff Rooker, Baron Rooker|Mr Rooker]] 7 April 1998
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmhansrd/vo980408/text/80408w33.htm#80408w33.html_sbhd4 Bilderberg Group] – A question by Mr Winterton and an answer by [[Barbara Roche|Mrs Roche]] 8 April 1998
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmhansrd/vo980615/text/80615w02.htm#80615w02.html_sbhd3 Bilderberg Group] – A question by [[Paul Keetch|Mr Keetch]] and an answer by the [[Tony Blair|Prime Minister]] 15 June 1998
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmhansrd/vo980710/text/80710w06.htm#80710w06.html_sbhd0 Bilderberg Meeting, Turnberry] – A question by Mr Gill and an answer by [[George Robertson, Baron Robertson of Port Ellen|Mr Robertson]] 10 July 1998
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmhansrd/vo980713/text/80713w07.htm#80713w07.html_sbhd1 Parliamentary Question] – A question by Mr Gill and an answer by Mr Robertson 13 July 1998
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmhansrd/vo980720/text/80720w21.htm#80720w21.html_sbhd8 Bilderberg Meeting, Turnbern] – A question by Mr Keetch and an answer by Mr Robertson 20 July 1998
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmhansrd/vo980723/text/80723w02.htm#80723w02.html_sbhd5 Bilderberg Meeting, Turnberry] – A question by Mr Gill and an answer by Mr Robertson 23 July 1998
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmselect/cmstnprv/1147/114705.htm Analysis of complaints investigated] – Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards and the Committee on Standards and Privileges 10 November 1998
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo990507/text/90507w02.htm#90507w02.htm_sbhd5 Bilderberg Group] – A question by Mr Keetch and an answer by the Prime Minister 7 May 1999
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo990520/text/90520w01.htm#90520w01.htm_sbhd3 Bilderberg Group] – A question by Mr Bercow and an answer by the Prime Minister, 20 May 1999
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo990610/debtext/90610-28.htm#90610-28_spmin0 The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Defence Mr. John Spellar speech] – Commons Hansard Debates, Column 870 10 June 1999
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo990726/text/90726w08.htm#90726w08.htm_sbhd7 Bilderberg Group] – A question by [[John Bercow|Mr Bercow]] and an answer by the Prime Minister 26 July 1999
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo990727/text/90727w58.htm#90727w58.htm_sbhd11 Bilderberg Meetings] – A question by Mr Bercow and an answer by [[Joyce Quin, Baroness Quin|Ms Quinn]] 27 July 1999
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo991108/text/91108w12.htm#91108w12.htm_sbhd6 Bilderberg Meetings] – A question by Mr Bercow and an answer by the Prime Minister 8 November 1999
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo991111/text/91111w09.htm#91111w09.htm_sbhd2 Bilderberg Conference] – A question by Mr Bercow and an answer by [[Geoff Hoon|Mr Hoon]] 11 November 1999
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmhansrd/vo000704/text/00704w01.htm#00704w01.html_sbhd3 Bilderberg Conference] – A question by Mr Bercow and an answer by the Prime Minister 4 July 2000
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmstnprv/267/1022703.htm Committee on Standards and Privileges, Minutes of Evidence] – [[Tom Levitt|Mr Levitt]], Question 86 to [[Kenneth Clarke|Mr Clarke]] 27 February 2001
*[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200102/cmhansrd/vo021107/text/21107105.htm#21107105.html_sbhd8 Turnberry Bilderberg Meeting] – A question by [[Andrew Rosindell|Mr Rosindell]] and an answer by [[David Blunkett|Mr Blunkett]] 7 November 2002

==External links==
*[http://lordchao.nullinator.net/stories/1087/ 2007 participant list]
*[http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/26_bb_list_2.htm 2006 participant list]
*[http://www.underreported.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1345 New York Times references] for John Edwards and others
*[http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=14704&cat_id=1 Cyprus represented for first time at secret Bilderberg meeting] from the Cyprus Mail
*[http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060608.wbilder0608/BNStory/National/home Secretive, powerful Bilderberg group meets near Ottawa] from [[Globe and Mail]] - Includes partial list of 2006 attendees.
*[http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EE22Ak03.html The masters of the universe] - Donald Rumsfeld reference at the [[Asia Times Online]]
*[http://www.nysun.com/article/34231?page_no=1 Pataki Joins Bilderberg's Conclave] November, 2006 ''[[New York Sun]]'' article mentions Senator Hillary Clinton as previous attendee.
*[http://www.bilderberg.org/1997.htm Bilderberg Conference 1997 - 12-15 June - Atlanta, USA] at www.bilderberg.org Bilderberg Meets in Georgia-Parascope Article by Charles Overbeck article mentions Hillary Clinton's attendance
*[http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_bilderberg_12.htm Participantes españoles en la reunión de 2003]

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