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== 21st Century ==

Individual history’s of conflicts in different countries can be added. It doesn’t seem fair to reduce what the Army has done in the last 21 years to five paragraphs. [[User:CarricoHayden08|CarricoHayden08]] ([[User talk:CarricoHayden08|talk]]) 17:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

== Citations ==

It seems to me that citations are missing throughout the article. The first citation doesn’t show up until the middle of the second paragraph. [[User:CarricoHayden08|CarricoHayden08]] ([[User talk:CarricoHayden08|talk]]) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

== Proposed new article on social history of soldiers and veterans ==

This article is pretty good, but to supplement it I propose adding a separate new article on "Soldiers and veterans in United States history" -- it would emphasize the social history of the soldier. This article is the view from the top commanders; I think the typical officer, enlisted & veteran experience needs more coverage. Who joined, why did they join, what did they learn, how did it shape their lives and society? the social history from the last 50 years is large. How were Blacks and women fitted in? The outline I propose looks something like this--what should I add or change? Any comments? 1. Colonial-- English colonial policy; Southern colonies; New England; Mid-Atlantic; wars with France & Spain & Indians; 2. American Revolution; Continental Army; Steuben & European methods; State militia; loyalists. 3. New nation; Veterans land benefits; Peacetime Army; bureau system;. Indian wars; International wars. Military academies. 4. Civil War and Reconstruction; Union Army; Confederate army; Conscription & bonus system; Black soldiers; Reconstruction roles. 5. 1877 to 1917: Veterans and GAR; Climax of Indian wars; War with Spain & Philippines; Root reforms; National Guard replaces militia; intervention in banana republics. 6. World War I: Conscription; Medical services expand. 7. Interwar: Veteran bonus; Technical training; Army runs CCC; Air Corps expands; Army Reserves; ROTC. 8. World War II: Selective Service; Marine Corps roles; Air Force independence; Women’s roles. 9. Cold War: GI Bill; Defense Department; Racial integration of the army; use in Deep South; NATO; Korean War; bases across the world; Vietnam; Antiwar activism; Voluntary army. 10. Recent: Afghanistan, Iraq; New roles for women- Bibliography. -[[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 17:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::OK I just started [[Social history of soldiers and veterans in United States history]] and would welcome suggestions. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 22:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::now online at [[Social history of soldiers and veterans in the United States]] -- suggestions welcome. 04:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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== 21st Century ==

Individual history’s of conflicts in different countries can be added. It doesn’t seem fair to reduce what the Army has done in the last 21 years to five paragraphs. [[User:CarricoHayden08|CarricoHayden08]] ([[User talk:CarricoHayden08|talk]]) 17:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

== Citations ==

It seems to me that citations are missing throughout the article. The first citation doesn’t show up until the middle of the second paragraph. [[User:CarricoHayden08|CarricoHayden08]] ([[User talk:CarricoHayden08|talk]]) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

== Proposed new article on social history of soldiers and veterans ==

This article is pretty good, but to supplement it I propose adding a separate new article on "Soldiers and veterans in United States history" -- it would emphasize the social history of the soldier. This article is the view from the top commanders; I think the typical officer, enlisted & veteran experience needs more coverage. Who joined, why did they join, what did they learn, how did it shape their lives and society? the social history from the last 50 years is large. How were Blacks and women fitted in? The outline I propose looks something like this--what should I add or change? Any comments? 1. Colonial-- English colonial policy; Southern colonies; New England; Mid-Atlantic; wars with France & Spain & Indians; 2. American Revolution; Continental Army; Steuben & European methods; State militia; loyalists. 3. New nation; Veterans land benefits; Peacetime Army; bureau system;. Indian wars; International wars. Military academies. 4. Civil War and Reconstruction; Union Army; Confederate army; Conscription & bonus system; Black soldiers; Reconstruction roles. 5. 1877 to 1917: Veterans and GAR; Climax of Indian wars; War with Spain & Philippines; Root reforms; National Guard replaces militia; intervention in banana republics. 6. World War I: Conscription; Medical services expand. 7. Interwar: Veteran bonus; Technical training; Army runs CCC; Air Corps expands; Army Reserves; ROTC. 8. World War II: Selective Service; Marine Corps roles; Air Force independence; Women’s roles. 9. Cold War: GI Bill; Defense Department; Racial integration of the army; use in Deep South; NATO; Korean War; bases across the world; Vietnam; Antiwar activism; Voluntary army. 10. Recent: Afghanistan, Iraq; New roles for women- Bibliography. -[[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 17:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::OK I just started [[Social history of soldiers and veterans in United States history]] and would welcome suggestions. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 22:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::now online at [[Social history of soldiers and veterans in the United States]] -- suggestions welcome. 04:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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== "Regular Army" & "National Army" ==

This article makes unsourced suggestions that the "Regular Army" and "National Army" are legally distinct from the "United States Army". [[User:Farside268|Farside268]] ([[User talk:Farside268|talk]]) 19:28, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
:They are legally codified components of the United States Army as a whole. The National Army was the draft force during World War II. Page 21 of this document spells it out nicely [https://history.army.mil/books/AMH-V2/PDF/Chapter01.pdf]. -[[User:OberRanks|O.R.]][[User talk:OberRanks|''Comms'']] 22:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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== "Regular Army" & "National Army" ==

This article makes unsourced suggestions that the "Regular Army" and "National Army" are legally distinct from the "United States Army". [[User:Farside268|Farside268]] ([[User talk:Farside268|talk]]) 19:28, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
:They are legally codified components of the United States Army as a whole. The National Army was the draft force during World War II. Page 21 of this document spells it out nicely [https://history.army.mil/books/AMH-V2/PDF/Chapter01.pdf]. -[[User:OberRanks|O.R.]][[User talk:OberRanks|''Comms'']] 22:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

== 21st Century ==

Individual history’s of conflicts in different countries can be added. It doesn’t seem fair to reduce what the Army has done in the last 21 years to five paragraphs. [[User:CarricoHayden08|CarricoHayden08]] ([[User talk:CarricoHayden08|talk]]) 17:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

== Citations ==

It seems to me that citations are missing throughout the article. The first citation doesn’t show up until the middle of the second paragraph. [[User:CarricoHayden08|CarricoHayden08]] ([[User talk:CarricoHayden08|talk]]) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

== Proposed new article on social history of soldiers and veterans ==

This article is pretty good, but to supplement it I propose adding a separate new article on "Soldiers and veterans in United States history" -- it would emphasize the social history of the soldier. This article is the view from the top commanders; I think the typical officer, enlisted & veteran experience needs more coverage. Who joined, why did they join, what did they learn, how did it shape their lives and society? the social history from the last 50 years is large. How were Blacks and women fitted in? The outline I propose looks something like this--what should I add or change? Any comments? 1. Colonial-- English colonial policy; Southern colonies; New England; Mid-Atlantic; wars with France & Spain & Indians; 2. American Revolution; Continental Army; Steuben & European methods; State militia; loyalists. 3. New nation; Veterans land benefits; Peacetime Army; bureau system;. Indian wars; International wars. Military academies. 4. Civil War and Reconstruction; Union Army; Confederate army; Conscription & bonus system; Black soldiers; Reconstruction roles. 5. 1877 to 1917: Veterans and GAR; Climax of Indian wars; War with Spain & Philippines; Root reforms; National Guard replaces militia; intervention in banana republics. 6. World War I: Conscription; Medical services expand. 7. Interwar: Veteran bonus; Technical training; Army runs CCC; Air Corps expands; Army Reserves; ROTC. 8. World War II: Selective Service; Marine Corps roles; Air Force independence; Women’s roles. 9. Cold War: GI Bill; Defense Department; Racial integration of the army; use in Deep South; NATO; Korean War; bases across the world; Vietnam; Antiwar activism; Voluntary army. 10. Recent: Afghanistan, Iraq; New roles for women- Bibliography. -[[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 17:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::OK I just started [[Social history of soldiers and veterans in United States history]] and would welcome suggestions. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 22:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::now online at [[Social history of soldiers and veterans in the United States]] -- suggestions welcome. 04:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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== "Regular Army" & "National Army" ==

This article makes unsourced suggestions that the "Regular Army" and "National Army" are legally distinct from the "United States Army". [[User:Farside268|Farside268]] ([[User talk:Farside268|talk]]) 19:28, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
:They are legally codified components of the United States Army as a whole. The National Army was the draft force during World War II. Page 21 of this document spells it out nicely [https://history.army.mil/books/AMH-V2/PDF/Chapter01.pdf]. -[[User:OberRanks|O.R.]][[User talk:OberRanks|''Comms'']] 22:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

== 21st Century ==

Individual history’s of conflicts in different countries can be added. It doesn’t seem fair to reduce what the Army has done in the last 21 years to five paragraphs. [[User:CarricoHayden08|CarricoHayden08]] ([[User talk:CarricoHayden08|talk]]) 17:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

== Citations ==

It seems to me that citations are missing throughout the article. The first citation doesn’t show up until the middle of the second paragraph. [[User:CarricoHayden08|CarricoHayden08]] ([[User talk:CarricoHayden08|talk]]) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

== Proposed new article on social history of soldiers and veterans ==

This article is pretty good, but to supplement it I propose adding a separate new article on "Soldiers and veterans in United States history" -- it would emphasize the social history of the soldier. This article is the view from the top commanders; I think the typical officer, enlisted & veteran experience needs more coverage. Who joined, why did they join, what did they learn, how did it shape their lives and society? the social history from the last 50 years is large. How were Blacks and women fitted in? The outline I propose looks something like this--what should I add or change? Any comments? 1. Colonial-- English colonial policy; Southern colonies; New England; Mid-Atlantic; wars with France & Spain & Indians; 2. American Revolution; Continental Army; Steuben & European methods; State militia; loyalists. 3. New nation; Veterans land benefits; Peacetime Army; bureau system;. Indian wars; International wars. Military academies. 4. Civil War and Reconstruction; Union Army; Confederate army; Conscription & bonus system; Black soldiers; Reconstruction roles. 5. 1877 to 1917: Veterans and GAR; Climax of Indian wars; War with Spain & Philippines; Root reforms; National Guard replaces militia; intervention in banana republics. 6. World War I: Conscription; Medical services expand. 7. Interwar: Veteran bonus; Technical training; Army runs CCC; Air Corps expands; Army Reserves; ROTC. 8. World War II: Selective Service; Marine Corps roles; Air Force independence; Women’s roles. 9. Cold War: GI Bill; Defense Department; Racial integration of the army; use in Deep South; NATO; Korean War; bases across the world; Vietnam; Antiwar activism; Voluntary army. 10. Recent: Afghanistan, Iraq; New roles for women- Bibliography. -[[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 17:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::OK I just started [[Social history of soldiers and veterans in United States history]] and would welcome suggestions. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 22:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::now online at [[Social history of soldiers and veterans in the United States]] -- suggestions welcome. 04:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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== References ==

I tagged the article as unreferenced because it gives ''NO'' references. The lead gives the incorrect impression that Regular Army is a term in common usage within all areas of the service. The term ''Regular Army'', with capitalization, is defined by U.S. Code Title 10 and refers to the ''legally-prescribed'' manning levels that make up the intended core of the Army, Active or Reserve. Within the Active service, the term is historically and commonly used in reference to the service's officer management philosophy. However, since 1 May 2005, the Army has moved to an all-Regular Army, converting all previous USAR commissions and appointments to RA and abolishing all RA-specific promotion selection boards.[http://www.army.mil/USAPA/epubs/pdf/r601_100.pdf] Other than that, the most common use of the term ''regular Army'' or ''regular army'' is in reference to the [[United States Army Reserve]] and the [[Army National Guard]], to denote a separation between the Active components and the Reserve components.[http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9406E3DC1F39E033A25757C1A9679C94659ED7CF] --[[User:Born2flie|Born2flie]] ([[User talk:Born2flie|talk]]) 14:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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== Merge suggestion ==
The articles [[Donnus Nicholas Germanus]] and [[Nicolaus Germanus]] clearly refer to the same person, based on the Catholic Encyclopedia reference. I am not quite sure which article should be merged into which. [[User:Flowerpotman|FlowerpotmaN]] ([[User talk:Flowerpotman|t]] · [[Special:contributions/Flowerpotman|c]]) 20:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
:Done, merged to here as name is simpler, and previous talk exists. -- [[User:Matthead|Matthead]] [[User_talk:Matthead|discuß!]]  [[EU|   O   ]]    05:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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[[File:Ptolemy Cosmographia 1467 - world map.jpg|thumb|Nicolaus Germanus's 1467 manuscript copy of [[Claudius Ptolemy|Ptolemy]]'s [[Ptolemy's world map|world map]], displaying Nicolaus Germanus's form of Ptolemy's 2nd projection and the expanded knowledge of [[Scandinavia]] in the northwest{{sfnp|Suárez|1992}}]]
[[File:Gulf4..JPG|thumb|A modern book illustration of the world map in the Ulm Ptolemy]]
[[File:1482 Cosmographia Germanus.JPG|thumb|Johannes Schnitzer's [[Ptolemy's world map|world map]] from Holle's 1482 edition of [[Claudius Ptolemy|Ptolemy]]'s ''[[Ptolemy's Geography|Geography]]'']]
'''Nicolaus Germanus''' ({{circa|lk=no|1420|1490}})<ref>Babicz 1987</ref> was a German [[cartographer]] who modernized [[Ptolemy]]'s ''[[Geography (Ptolemy)|Geography]]'' by applying new projections, adding additional maps, and contributing other innovations that were influential in the development of Renaissance cartography.

==Name==
In the fifteenth century it was common for scholars and artisans to adopt a [[Latinisation of names|Latinized]] version of their birth name. Nicolaus Germanus is the Latin form of the name "Nicholas the German". His full birth name is unknown. His name is sometimes preceded by "''Donnus''" or "''Donus''", an abbreviated form of the Latin title ''Dominus'' ("Lord" or "Master").<ref>Fischer 1911</ref>

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==Life==
Nothing is known about the early life of Nicolaus Germanus. He first appears in the records of the [[Reichenbach Priory (Baden-Württemberg)|Reichenbach Priory]] (now in [[Baden-Württemberg]]) where he was prior of the Benedictine monastery in 1442. It appears that he was trained in cosmography around 1460 and arrived in Italy by 1464.<ref name="Meurer">Meurer 2007 pp. 1182-1183</ref>
He lived first in Florence where he compiled astrological tables and produced his first revision of Ptolemy's ''Geography'' in 1466. He later moved to Rome where he created a pair of globes and a world map for the Vatican Library in 1477. He continued to prepare updates and revisions of Ptolemy's atlas for several years. The last contemporary record of his activity comes from a fellow German scholar, Conrad Celtes, who met him in Florence and wrote that Nicolaus complained bitterly about others getting the glory and profit for his work.<ref name="Meurer" />

==Works==

===Ptolemy's ''Geographia''===
Nicolaus Germanus was an influential figure in the modernization and popularization of Ptolemy's ''Geographia''. At least fifteen manuscript copies of ''Geographia'' were authored by Germanus or immediately copied from his work. Except for the 1482 Florence edition, all versions printed in the fifteenth century were based on his manuscripts.<ref name="Meurer" />

Scholars group his manuscripts into three recensions (versions), roughly based on the number of maps included and the type of [[map projection]] used. His first recension (ca. 1460 to 1466) contains only the original twenty-seven Ptolemaic maps (''tabulae antiquae'') drawn using a trapezoid projection of which Germanus claimed to be the author. In the so-called "Donis projection", latitude is reflected by parallel lines while longitude lines converge towards the pole.{{sfnp|Suárez|1992}}<ref name="Meurer" /> This recension served as the basis for the Rome edition of''Geographia'' printed in 1478 and reprinted in 1490.<ref>Campbell 1987 p. 9</ref> [[Henricus Martellus Germanus]] also adopted the trapezoid projection in 1480 for his manuscript version of ''Geographia''.

The second recension (1466 to 1468) includes the twenty-seven ''tabulae antiquae'' and three new maps (''tabulae modernae'') covering northern Europe, Spain and France. His representation of the Scandinavian region, including Iceland and Greenland, reflected a more accurate depiction provided by Danish cartographer [[Claudius Clavus]]. The world map in this recension was drawn using the homeotheric projection which Ptolemy called superior but more difficult to construct.<ref name="Meurer" /> This recension was the basis for the Ulm edition printed in 1482 and 1486 in Ulm. It was the first edition of ''Geographia'' to be printed north of the Alps and the first atlas to be colored in-house prior to sale. It was printed using woodcuts prepared by Johannes de Armsheim who first introduced the practice of engravers signing their maps.{{sfnp|Suárez|1992}}<ref>Campbell 1987 p. 9</ref>

His last recension (1468 to 1482) added two more maps depicting Italy and Palestine and extended the world map to include northern Europe, although his placement of Iceland and Greenland were notably less accurate than his previous portrayal.<ref name="Meurer" /> Printed in 1482, [[Francesco Berlinghieri|Berlinghieri's]] ''Geographia'' uses a mix of maps from this recension and earlier ones.<ref>Campbell 1987 pp. 9, 123-124</ref>

The 1482 editions of Ulm and Berlinghieri contain the first modern maps (derived from Germanus) to appear in print.<ref>Edson 2007 p. 139</ref> Germanus introduced other cartographic innovations including the use of dots or circles to mark the exact position of localities and dotted lines to indicate frontiers.<ref name="Meurer" />

===Globes===
In 1477, Nicolaus Germanus created a terrestrial and a celestial globe for inclusion in the new [[Vatican Library]]. Germanus was paid 200 [[ducat]]s for the globes and an additional seven ducats to add the papal coat of arms and provide two covers. The globes were listed in an inventory of 1481 and kept in the ''Salle Pontifica'' until they were lost during the [[1527 Sack of Rome |sack of Rome in 1527]]. The earth globe is the earliest documented modern globe and preceded the extant [[Behaim's globe]] by fifteen years.<ref>Babicz 1987</ref>

===Astrology===
Nicolaus Germanus was also a competent [[astrology |astrologer]]. In 1466 while in Florence, he prepared an astrological table for the Duke Borso d'Este which demonstrated his ability to calculate the positions of the planets for several years in the future. In Rome he prepared a similar astrological table for [[Pope Paul II]].<ref>Babicz 1987</ref>

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* {{cite journal |first=Józef |last=Babicz |title=The Celestial and Terrestrial Globes of the Vatican Library, Dating from 1477, and their Maker Donnus Nicolaus Germanus (ca 1420 – ca 1490) |journal=Der Globusfreund |date=1987 |number=35–37 |pages=155–168 | jstor=41628836}}
* {{Cite book|last=Campbell|first=Tony|url=https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/60006950|title=The Earliest Printed Maps, 1472-1500|date=1987|publisher=British Library|isbn=0-7123-0133-X|location=London|oclc=60006950}}
* {{Cite book|last=Dalché|first=Patrick Gautier|title=The History of Cartography, Volume 3, Part 1|publisher=University of Chicago Press|year=2007|editor-last=Woodward|editor-first=David|location=Chicago|chapter=9 - The Reception of Ptolemy’s Geography (End of the Fourteenth to Beginning of the Sixteenth Century) |url=https://press.uchicago.edu/books/HOC/HOC_V3_Pt1/HOC_VOLUME3_Part1_chapter9.pdf}}
* {{Catholic Encyclopedia|no-icon=1|prescript=|title=Nicolaus Germanus|first=Joseph|last=Fischer |url=https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11068a.htm}}
* {{Cite book|last=Meurer|first=Peter H.|title=The History of Cartography, Volume 3, Part 2|publisher=University of Chicago Press|year=2007|editor-last=Woodward|editor-first=David|location=Chicago|pages=1182–1183|chapter=42 - Cartography in the German Lands, 1450–1650 |url=https://press.uchicago.edu/books/HOC/HOC_V3_Pt2/HOC_VOLUME3_Part2_chapter42.pdf}}
* {{cite book |title=Shedding the Veil: Mapping the European Discovery of America and the New World |last=Suárez |first=Thomas |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=XqjsCgAAQBAJ |publisher=World Scientific Publishing |location=Singapore |date=1992 |contribution-url=https://books.google.com/books?id=XqjsCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT39 |contribution=6. The Known World |page=[https://books.google.com/books?id=XqjsCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT39 24] |isbn=9789814505796 }}
* {{Cite journal|last=Van Duzer|first=Chet|date=2014-11-28|title=Ptolemy from Manuscript to Print: New York Public Library's Codex Ebnerianus (MS MA 97)|journal=Imago Mundi|volume=67|issue=1|pages=1–11|doi=10.1080/03085694.2015.974952|issn=0308-5694}}

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'''Josef Dobrovský''' (17 August 1753 – 6 January 1829) was a Czech [[philologist]] and [[historian]], one of the most important figures of the [[Czech National Revival]] along with [[Josef Jungmann]].

== Life and work ==
Dobrovský was born at [[Balassagyarmat]], [[Nógrád County (former)|Nógrád County]], in the [[Kingdom of Hungary]], when his father Jakub Doubravský (1701, [[Solnice]] – 1764, [[Horšovský Týn]])<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.geni.com/people/Jakub-Dobrovsk%C3%BD/6000000066592919847|title=Jakub Dobrovský|website=geni_family_tree|date=24 July 1701 |access-date=21 October 2019}}</ref>{{unreliable source?|date=September 2019}} was temporarily stationed as a [[soldier]] there. His mother was Magdalena Dobrovská (1733, [[Čáslav]] – 1797).<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.geni.com/people/Magdalena-Dobrovsk%C3%BD/6000000066592757919|title=Magdalena Dobrovský|website=geni_family_tree|access-date=21 October 2019}}</ref>

He received his first education in the [[German language|German]] school at [[Horšovský Týn]], made his first acquaintance with the [[Czech language]] and soon made himself fluent in it at the [[Havlíčkův Brod|Německý Brod]] gymnasium, and then studied for some time under the [[Jesuits]] at [[Klatovy]]. In 1769 he began to study [[philosophy]] at the [[Charles University in Prague|University of Prague]]. In 1772 he was admitted among the Jesuits at [[Brno]] and was preparing for a Christian [[Mission (Christianity)|mission]] in India. However, the entire order was dissolved in the Czech lands in 1773 and Dobrovský thus returned to Prague to study [[theology]].<ref name="EB1911">{{EB1911|inline=y|wstitle=Dobrowsky, Joseph|volume=8|page=351}}</ref>

After holding for some time the office of tutor to Count [[Nostitz family|Nostitz]], he obtained an appointment first as vice-rector, and then as rector, in the general seminary at Hradisko (now part of [[Olomouc]]); but in 1790 he lost his post through the abolition of the seminaries throughout the [[Habsburg monarchy|Habsburg Empire]], and returned as a guest to the house of the count.<ref name="EB1911"/> At this time, he wrote some of the most important works in [[Slavic studies]], [[historiography]] and [[philology]].

In 1792 he was commissioned by the Bohemian Academy of Sciences to visit [[Stockholm]], [[Turku]], [[Saint Petersburg]] and [[Moscow]] in search of the manuscripts which had been scattered by the [[Thirty Years' War]], and on his return he accompanied Count Nostitz to Switzerland and Italy.<ref name="EB1911"/>

In the 1780s Dobrovský participated in the academic life of [[Prague]]. In 1784, he helped to set up the [[Royal Czech Society of Sciences]], and in 1818 the [[National Museum (Prague)|National Museum]] of what was to become [[Czechoslovakia]] and eventually the Czech Republic.

However, his reason began to give way in 1795, and in 1801 he had to be confined in a [[lunatic asylum]], but by 1803 he had completely recovered. The rest of his life was mainly spent either in Prague or at the country seats of his friends Counts Nostitz and [[Czernin]], but his death occurred in [[Brno]], where he had gone in 1828 to study in the local libraries.<ref name="EB1911"/>

While his fame rests chiefly on his labours in [[Slavonic language|Slavonic philology]] his botanical studies are not without value in the history of the science.<ref name="EB1911"/>

Between 1948 and 1968 Czech poet [[Vladimír Holan]] lived in the so-called "Dobrovský House" on [[Kampa Island|Kampa]], often saying that the ''Blue [[Abbé]]'' (a nickname by which Dobrovský was known) would sometimes visit him.

== Most important works ==
* ''Fragmentum Pragense evangelii S. Marci, vulgo autographi'' (1778)
* a periodical for Bohemian and Moravian literature (1780–1787)
* ''Scriptores rerum Bohemicarum'' (2 vols., 1783)
* ''Geschichte der böhm. Sprache und alten Literatur'' (1792)
* ''Die Bildsamkeit der slaw. Sprache'' (1799)
* a ''Deutsch-böhm. Wörterbuch'' compiled in collaboration with Leschk, Puchmayer and Hanka (1802–1821)
* ''Entwurf eines Pflanzensystems nach Zahlen und Verhältnissen'' (1802)
* ''Glagolitica'' (1807)
* ''Lehrgebäude der böhmischen Sprache'' (1809)
* ''Institutiones linguae slavicae dialecti veteris'' (1822)
* ''Entwurf zu einem allgemeinen Etymologikon der slaw. Sprachen'' (1813)
* ''Slowanka zur Kenntnis der slaw. Literatur'' (1814)
* a critical edition of [[Jordanes]], ''De rebus Geticis'', for [[Georg Heinrich Pertz|Pertz]]'s ''[[Monumenta Germaniae Historica]]''<ref name="EB1911"/>

See [[František Palacký|Palacký]], ''J. Dobrowskys Leben und gelehrtes Wirken'' (1833).

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*[[List of Jesuit scientists]]
*[[Josef Dobrovský Monument]]

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== L-M20 ==

1 person in the United States, Moses, has this Haplogroup, he is part of A00, specifically A-PR291, his current Haplogroup is Q-M242. I'm guessing because of his connection to A-PR291 he has a lot of groups in him. [[Special:Contributions/184.100.50.165|184.100.50.165]] ([[User talk:184.100.50.165|talk]]) 19:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

== Laz population on the section "Middle East and Anatolia" ==

I have found the source of Laz distribution data. Here it is: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-017-1770-2

I don't know how to edit references so please add it. [[User:KayrabCebll|KayrabCebll]] ([[User talk:KayrabCebll|talk]]) 18:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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:: Has anyone noticed the eerie phonetic similarity between the names Baluchistan, Balochistan, etc. and the ancient Mesopotamian references to a place in the east called "Meluhha" and the Aryan references to barbarian "Mlecchas" and their ilk? Not to mention the modern ethnonym of the people who speak the [[Brahui language]]. [[User:Ebizur|Ebizur]] 21:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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== Link to www.familytreedna.com ==

I noticed that the link to www.familytreedna.com was broken, but wasn't sure exactly where it originally pointed to. Familytreedna does have a project page on haplogroup L, but I'm not sure anything there supports the statements in the paragraph that are attributed to the link. I redirected the link to the Familytreedna haplogroup L project page, but there are probably better web pages out there to support the contention that European members of haplogroup L likely belong to subclade L2. And actually, my personal experience is that European members are just as likely to belong to no subclade that has yet to be identified as to subclade L2. (These would be designated as L*.)

[[User:Eljefe3126|Eljefe3126]] ([[User talk:Eljefe3126|talk]]) 18:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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== West Asia section ==

The West Asia and the Central Asia section could probably be represented better in a table. [[User:Nihar S|nihar]] ([[User talk:Nihar S|talk]]) 11:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I have put a table for West Asia, when I find time I will put one for Central Asia too. Meanwhile if somebody finds time, please go ahead. I will join you. [[User:Nihar S|nihar]] ([[User talk:Nihar S|talk]]) 05:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

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== Y-DNA haplogroups by ethnic groups ==

The above article has been listed for deletion. The discussion is at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Y-DNA haplogroups by ethnic groups]]. [[User:Muntuwandi|Wapondaponda]] ([[User talk:Muntuwandi|talk]]) 04:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

:What???!!! Are they nuts??? [[User:СЛУЖБА|СЛУЖБА]] ([[User talk:СЛУЖБА|talk]]) 20:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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== Who is Yunusbayev and from what areas his Avars?==
There are different opinions of different scientists, and you have only one B.Yunusayev. But he isn't Caucasian, and the ethnic turk from turkic Bashkortostan (Ural-region) and came it to Dagestan for the purpose of creation some the Pan-Turkist propaganda myths. In its work isn't present what words for example Avars he investigated, from what villages and areas they were. Other scienist K.Bulayeva instead of Avars investigated Akhvakhs. from the village of Novomekhelta. As far as I know B.Yunusbayev has data from non-avarian inhabitants from Ashilta. It not Avars in general. There are no data of Avars. It everything forgery. Let he will specify from what villages, from what areas are his so called Avars? Instead of Avars these geneticists for some reason use anny the anti-Avarian separatists.I insist on that opinions of other scientists were used. Moreover, in these works it has to be surely specified from what villages, from what areas materials, differently it not science undertook, and charlatanism is simple.[[Special:Contributions/37.139.52.40|37.139.52.40]] ([[User talk:37.139.52.40|talk]]) 00:26, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

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== Indus Valley Civilisation ==

There is an obvious, yet unsourced, link with the [[:Indus Valley Civilisation]]. Does anybody care to find sources for this link? [[User:Joshua Jonathan|Joshua Jonathan]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|Let's talk!]] 06:42, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

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== Pakistani origins? ==

{{yo|RedPlanet321}} [http://www.cagetti.com/Genetics/L-haplogroup.html Interesting comment] on Sepgupta et al. (2006):
:''"the article isolates three subgroups of haplogroup L. They are characterized as follows: L1 M76, L2 M317, L3 M357 (as explained, the names are now different in ISOGG.). The latter two are novel markers. Interestingly, the Indian sample is predominantly L1, while the Pakistani L's are more or less half L1 and half L3 (plus a couple L2 among the Makrani), which suggest that the haplogroup may have originated in the NW/Pakistan area rather than in Southern India. Unlike some previous papers, the group seems overall more frequent, and more dispersed, in Pakistan than in India."''
[[User:Joshua Jonathan|Joshua Jonathan]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|Let's talk!]] 11:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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== No link to info that 5.9% russians of Arkhangelsk oblast are L-m357(L3, L1c) ==

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== Pakistani origins? ==

{{yo|RedPlanet321}} [http://www.cagetti.com/Genetics/L-haplogroup.html Interesting comment] on Sepgupta et al. (2006):
:''"the article isolates three subgroups of haplogroup L. They are characterized as follows: L1 M76, L2 M317, L3 M357 (as explained, the names are now different in ISOGG.). The latter two are novel markers. Interestingly, the Indian sample is predominantly L1, while the Pakistani L's are more or less half L1 and half L3 (plus a couple L2 among the Makrani), which suggest that the haplogroup may have originated in the NW/Pakistan area rather than in Southern India. Unlike some previous papers, the group seems overall more frequent, and more dispersed, in Pakistan than in India."''
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== L-M20 ==

1 person in the United States, Moses, has this Haplogroup, he is part of A00, specifically A-PR291, his current Haplogroup is Q-M242. I'm guessing because of his connection to A-PR291 he has a lot of groups in him. [[Special:Contributions/184.100.50.165|184.100.50.165]] ([[User talk:184.100.50.165|talk]]) 19:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

== Laz population on the section "Middle East and Anatolia" ==

I have found the source of Laz distribution data. Here it is: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-017-1770-2

I don't know how to edit references so please add it. [[User:KayrabCebll|KayrabCebll]] ([[User talk:KayrabCebll|talk]]) 18:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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For discussion concerning the origins of this article see [[Talk:Haplogroup L (mtDNA)]].--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 08:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

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== Clade or paragroup? ==

I see from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Macro-haplogroup_L_%28mtDNA%29&curid=25304128&diff=342577493&oldid=342460486 this edit] that the article has a problem which needs to be cleared up. Is L a paragroup or a clade? The way the article has been edited in recent times has led more to the direction of saying that L defined most logically actually includes M and N, which would make it a clade. My original switch from using "pagragroup" to "clade" was just making the article consistent. If however it does not include M and N then it is indeed a paragroup. Instead of just reverting back and forth on one word the article apparently needs to be adjusted concerning whether L has two meaning or not.--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 10:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:I would describe haplogroup L as simply as a haplogroup, or a macrohaplogroup. Strictly speaking haplogroup L isn't a paragroup because it's subclades have known downstream mutations. Though there once was a haplogroup L* that harbored no downstream mutations, but this lineage either went extinct or now possesses downstream mutations. Haplogroups M and N are sometimes referred to as L3M and L3N respectively just to emphasize that the terms "M" and "N" are mainly for convenience. The paragroup for M and N would be L3*(xM, xN). [[User:Muntuwandi|Wapondaponda]] ([[User talk:Muntuwandi|talk]]) 14:11, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::I like your logic, but haplogroup names are a result of the historical sequence of discoveries, and this means they are not always as nice as they would be if you could turn back time. Isn't Maulucioni correct to say that the term L is also used in a way which excludes L? If so then there is no pointing pretending otherwise. If the subject has a broad and narrow sense then surely it is not impossible to cover this?--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 14:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Reviewing, I see that the term “[[paragroup]]” is used by [[Y chromosome consortium]] to distinguish the groups it recognizes as Y-DNA haplogroups from those that belong to a major haplogroup, but that are not yet well defined because of their mutations, and this is why their [[paraphyletic]] condition. In short, to ''Y-Consortium'' the term paragroup is contrary to the term haplogroup, it is represented by an asterisk (*) and it isn’t just a synonymous to paraphyletic group.

Instead, in mitochondrial DNA the term paragroup is not used in its nomenclature, and the asterisk is used to include the whole clade and sometimes is used ambiguously.

In Biology, “[[clade]]” is a synonymous to “monophyletic group”; but, the nomenclature created to define the mtDNA and Y-DNA haplogroups is full of paraphyletic groups, therefore they are not clades; this is the case of macro-haplogroups. For instance, K (mtDNA) descends from U, and, when we talk about the frequency of U, it excludes K, which has its own frequency. To us, this is absolutely normal, because we are used to work with paraphyletic groups. But, to a biologist who is a [[cladistic]] taxonomy follower, and therefore does not believe in the true value of paraphyletic groups, this nomenclature might seem unacceptable and he would propose that the name “K” should be changed, maybe being renamed U9 or Uk. I think that "paragroup" might be an appropriate term for these cases. --[[User:Maulucioni|Maulucioni]] ([[User talk:Maulucioni|talk]]) 04:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:The YCC has standardized nomenclature for the y-chromosome, but there isn't yet been a consortium that deals with mtDNA nomenclature. As a result mtDNA nomenclature lacks standardization [http://mitomed.bio.uci.edu/twiki/pub/Mitowiki/HelpAbout/mtDNA_phylogenetic_tree_hummut08.pdf] . For the YCC, a paragroup indicates the lack of downstream mutations. This also means that the paragroup represents the ancestral state of a lineage. Some interpret this ancestral lineage as being representative of the whole clade since all subclades would have evolved mutations on the ancestral lineage. There is some inconsistency in nomenclature, for example:
:[http://www.uma.pt/abrehm/v1.1/docs/downloads/pdfs/Brehm_mtDNACaboVerdeCV_AHG2002.pdf Brehm et al. 2002] ''state the paragroup L3* (which constitutes the paraphyletic cluster harbouring all other L3 mtDNAs not grouped into the Eurasian haplogroups M or N)''
:Whereas [http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2427203 Behar et al. 2008] state]:
:''"The term African Hg L(xM,N) is used to describe all mtDNA Haplogroups but (L3)M and (L3)N. We reserve the term branch to describe the two evolving sides of the root and have labeled them L0 and L1′2′3′4′5′6 (L1′5) "''
:[http://www.africandna.com/ScienPapers%5CThe_Making_of_the_African_mtDNA_Landscape.pdf Salas 2002] also uses "paraphyletic group" or "paragroup" and in this case "paragroup L1" is equivalent to [[Macro-haplogroup L (mtDNA)]].
:In summary the paragroup or "*" nomenclature is used to represent ancestral lineages that lack known or specific mutations. But these ancestral lineages are sometimes used to represent the whole clade. [[User:Muntuwandi|Wapondaponda]] ([[User talk:Muntuwandi|talk]]) 07:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Either I am missing something or there are two alternatives which it would be good if you guys good choose between: 1. Treat L as a paragroup, which excludes M and N or 2. (Muntuwandi would need to make sure he has a source) write the article so that it is clearly mentioned that there are two senses of the term, one being a paragroup and one not. Am I wrong?--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 13:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:So far the only paragroup that excludes M and N that has been referenced with "*" notation is L3* and not L*. To exclude M and N, the "X" notation is typically used eg "Hg L(xM,N)". In short the "X" notation is used to exclude specific mutations regardless of their location in the phylogeny whereas the "*" notation is used to denote a paragroup. Since a paragroup is believed to represent the ancestral state it can be used to represent the whole clade. So I would say that * means two different things, but actually these two different things are actually the same. This is because all mutations form subclades of the paragroup. I believe that it is appropriate to give an explanation of the two senses in the article and also in the "[[paragroup]]" article. [[User:Muntuwandi|Wapondaponda]] ([[User talk:Muntuwandi|talk]]) 14:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with you both. But I think that using L to define the whole clade makes no sense; we already have the [[Human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup]] article to do so. The relevance of L is in its paraphyletic condition. --[[User:Maulucioni|Maulucioni]] ([[User talk:Maulucioni|talk]]) 04:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Would it be accurate to say that the primary meaning of the term is as a paraclade, and the secondary meaning is as a real all-encompassing clade? That is my impression. Indeed I can not really recall anyone using term haplogroup L to refer to M and N. We could just mention that wherever the term is used to refer to a real clade it then includes M and N, and then give a link to the [[Mitochondrial Eve]] article as well as the one Maulucioni suggests? Can you live with that Wapondaponda?--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 09:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I think the above quote from [http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2427203 Behar et al. 2008] does actually use the term "haplogroup L" to refer to M and N when it states ''"The term African Hg L(xM,N) is used to describe all mtDNA Haplogroups but '''(L3)M and (L3)N'''"'',
::::Similarly [http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/5/26 Metspalu et al. 2004)] also state: ''Furthermore, the lack of L3 lineages other than M and N (indeed, '''L3M and L3N''') in India is more consistent with the African launch of haplogroup M''
::::I would agree that the primary meaning of the " * " notation is a paragroup. But this is more so for the Y-chromosome as it has specifically been defined as a paragroup by the YCC. Though I recall Chandrasekar et al. 2007 use haplogroup E* as an all encompassing clade. With mtDNA, conventions are loosely followed so there is less consistency. It can either mean a paragroup or an all encompassing clade.
::::[http://www.capecoloureddnaproject.org/MtDNA%20Kung%20and%20Khwe.pdf Chen et al.] have given some description of what they mean by macrohaplogroup L* when they state:
::::'' Therefore, it is reasonable to delineate these as haplogroups and to delineate the combination of L1 and L2, delineated by the presence of the HpaI site at np 3592, as a macrohaplogroup, “L*.” ''
::::L1 and L2 now refer to L0 and L1 respectively. [[User:Muntuwandi|Wapondaponda]] ([[User talk:Muntuwandi|talk]]) 10:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::So the article should treat the paraclade as the primary meaning, but mention the other occasionally used meaning. Is this agreed?--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 19:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's right. --[[User:Maulucioni|Maulucioni]] ([[User talk:Maulucioni|talk]]) 22:20, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

«According to some researchers L lineages in Iberia are associated to Islamic invasions, while for others it may be due to more ancient processes as well as more recent ones through the introduction of these lineages by means of the modern slave trade.»

Some researchers...Whom? Lacks source. And though I believe there are still some, that´s maybe because they are outdated. And since when we can just rely on haplogroups to explain specific migrations, when we still don´t have any idea about when happened and from where exactly it happened? Speculate, that´s it. But probably we need to be updated, before do it:

http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.pt/2012/03/claim-that-many-african-matrilineages.html

L haplogroup is rare in Iberia and the main exact type found in Iberia was a european specific subclade of L1b that have entered with hunter-gatherer movements (not less than 11.000 years ago and very likely much older than that). Alcácer do Sal/Coruche data is based on a well known (by the locals) african community, with slave ancestry (knowns as «negros do Sado»), known to be endogamic (some families are actually isolated by govermental laws), which have nothing ethnic and local about them. They were used on a study to determine their ancestry, not to represent the locals. Some people have been using this article for not so accurate reasons.
If we use the same methodology in other countries, we would end up studying african immigrants, that are much more common in numerous other European countries.

Autosomal research done on iberians, doesn´t support admixture levels that a recent slave influx would produce with these mtDNA frequencies, being them (Iberians) the ones who shared less common ancestors with other populations, for the last 2500 years, from all the European populations used on this study (only Italians got similar results):

«Spain and Portugal showing very few common ancestors with other populations over the last 2,500 years.»

http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001555

Non Caucasoid admixture also point that Iberians and Italians, have some of the lowest levels, among many European countries:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5354640/1/

Anthropological analysis:

Non-Mediterranean elements in the Portuguese population are rare and of little importance. A few Nordics are scattered throughout but are particularly concentrated in the north. Traces of Dinaric blood, as we have already seen, may likewise be found on the northern coast.... On the whole, there has been no absorption of non-Europoids by the Portuguese. Portugal remains, as it has been since the days of the Muge shell-fish eaters, classic Mediterranean territory.» - Carletoon S. Coon — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/46.189.202.30|46.189.202.30]] ([[User talk:46.189.202.30|talk]]) 01:35, 9 May 2015 (UTC) 

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==Article scope==
"Haplogroup L" by definition includes all modern humans.
Its two descendant clades are called L1-6 and L0.
This page would have some potential scope if there were known carriers, ancient or modern, of L1-6* or L0*.
Otherwise, the root of the phylogeny is discussed under [[Mitochondrial Eve]],
the lineage L0 is discussed under [[Haplogroup L0 (mtDNA)]], and the only possible scope left for this page would be discussion of
[[Haplogroup L1-6 (mtDNA)]]. --[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] [[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]] 10:02, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

After review, it may make sense to move this to the "L1-6" title. The reason is, as mentioned above, that L0 already has its own page, and "L" is equivalent to mt-Eve. --[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] [[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]] 19:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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There is an obvious, yet unsourced, link with the [[:Indus Valley Civilisation]]. Does anybody care to find sources for this link? [[User:Joshua Jonathan|Joshua Jonathan]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|Let's talk!]] 06:42, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

== Pakistani origins? ==

{{yo|RedPlanet321}} [http://www.cagetti.com/Genetics/L-haplogroup.html Interesting comment] on Sepgupta et al. (2006):
:''"the article isolates three subgroups of haplogroup L. They are characterized as follows: L1 M76, L2 M317, L3 M357 (as explained, the names are now different in ISOGG.). The latter two are novel markers. Interestingly, the Indian sample is predominantly L1, while the Pakistani L's are more or less half L1 and half L3 (plus a couple L2 among the Makrani), which suggest that the haplogroup may have originated in the NW/Pakistan area rather than in Southern India. Unlike some previous papers, the group seems overall more frequent, and more dispersed, in Pakistan than in India."''
[[User:Joshua Jonathan|Joshua Jonathan]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|Let's talk!]] 11:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

== No link to info that 5.9% russians of Arkhangelsk oblast are L-m357(L3, L1c) ==

Its said that Hongyan Xu in 2014 found that data, but he is not responding to my emails, and facebook messages. Can anyone tell me where to find more info? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/95.153.129.236|95.153.129.236]] ([[User talk:95.153.129.236#top|talk]]) 04:16, 6 August 2017 (UTC) 

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== Hindu kingdoms in Syria ==

{{yo|Kautilya3}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haplogroup_L-M20&diff=next&oldid=879347665 this one's] rich, even for this kind of edits. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|Joshua Jonathan]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|Let's talk!]] 09:39, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

== unclear sentence ==

"The International Society of Genetic Genealogy (ISOGG) also provides an amateur tree."
This is an unclear sentence regarding the meaning of the "also". Please note correctly what you mena!!! [[Special:Contributions/2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801]] ([[User talk:2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|talk]]) 13:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

The para "Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex" obviously has been added completely neglecting any context. This is a bad sign for the author.[[Special:Contributions/2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801]] ([[User talk:2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|talk]]) 13:31, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

== ybp? ==

"ybp" is noscientific date. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801]] ([[User talk:2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|talk]]) 13:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

== L-M20 ==

1 person in the United States, Moses, has this Haplogroup, he is part of A00, specifically A-PR291, his current Haplogroup is Q-M242. I'm guessing because of his connection to A-PR291 he has a lot of groups in him. [[Special:Contributions/184.100.50.165|184.100.50.165]] ([[User talk:184.100.50.165|talk]]) 19:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

== Laz population on the section "Middle East and Anatolia" ==

I have found the source of Laz distribution data. Here it is: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-017-1770-2

I don't know how to edit references so please add it. [[User:KayrabCebll|KayrabCebll]] ([[User talk:KayrabCebll|talk]]) 18:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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"Haplogroup L" by definition includes all modern humans.
Its two descendant clades are called L1-6 and L0.
This page would have some potential scope if there were known carriers, ancient or modern, of L1-6* or L0*.
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After review, it may make sense to move this to the "L1-6" title. The reason is, as mentioned above, that L0 already has its own page, and "L" is equivalent to mt-Eve. --[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] [[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]] 19:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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== Who is Yunusbayev and from what areas his Avars?==
There are different opinions of different scientists, and you have only one B.Yunusayev. But he isn't Caucasian, and the ethnic turk from turkic Bashkortostan (Ural-region) and came it to Dagestan for the purpose of creation some the Pan-Turkist propaganda myths. In its work isn't present what words for example Avars he investigated, from what villages and areas they were. Other scienist K.Bulayeva instead of Avars investigated Akhvakhs. from the village of Novomekhelta. As far as I know B.Yunusbayev has data from non-avarian inhabitants from Ashilta. It not Avars in general. There are no data of Avars. It everything forgery. Let he will specify from what villages, from what areas are his so called Avars? Instead of Avars these geneticists for some reason use anny the anti-Avarian separatists.I insist on that opinions of other scientists were used. Moreover, in these works it has to be surely specified from what villages, from what areas materials, differently it not science undertook, and charlatanism is simple.[[Special:Contributions/37.139.52.40|37.139.52.40]] ([[User talk:37.139.52.40|talk]]) 00:26, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

== Indus Valley Civilisation ==

There is an obvious, yet unsourced, link with the [[:Indus Valley Civilisation]]. Does anybody care to find sources for this link? [[User:Joshua Jonathan|Joshua Jonathan]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|Let's talk!]] 06:42, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

== Pakistani origins? ==

{{yo|RedPlanet321}} [http://www.cagetti.com/Genetics/L-haplogroup.html Interesting comment] on Sepgupta et al. (2006):
:''"the article isolates three subgroups of haplogroup L. They are characterized as follows: L1 M76, L2 M317, L3 M357 (as explained, the names are now different in ISOGG.). The latter two are novel markers. Interestingly, the Indian sample is predominantly L1, while the Pakistani L's are more or less half L1 and half L3 (plus a couple L2 among the Makrani), which suggest that the haplogroup may have originated in the NW/Pakistan area rather than in Southern India. Unlike some previous papers, the group seems overall more frequent, and more dispersed, in Pakistan than in India."''
[[User:Joshua Jonathan|Joshua Jonathan]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|Let's talk!]] 11:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

== No link to info that 5.9% russians of Arkhangelsk oblast are L-m357(L3, L1c) ==

Its said that Hongyan Xu in 2014 found that data, but he is not responding to my emails, and facebook messages. Can anyone tell me where to find more info? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/95.153.129.236|95.153.129.236]] ([[User talk:95.153.129.236#top|talk]]) 04:16, 6 August 2017 (UTC) 

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== Hindu kingdoms in Syria ==

{{yo|Kautilya3}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haplogroup_L-M20&diff=next&oldid=879347665 this one's] rich, even for this kind of edits. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|Joshua Jonathan]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|Let's talk!]] 09:39, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

== unclear sentence ==

"The International Society of Genetic Genealogy (ISOGG) also provides an amateur tree."
This is an unclear sentence regarding the meaning of the "also". Please note correctly what you mena!!! [[Special:Contributions/2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801]] ([[User talk:2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|talk]]) 13:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

The para "Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex" obviously has been added completely neglecting any context. This is a bad sign for the author.[[Special:Contributions/2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801]] ([[User talk:2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|talk]]) 13:31, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

== ybp? ==

"ybp" is noscientific date. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801]] ([[User talk:2A02:8108:9640:AC3:6D92:387A:377:A801|talk]]) 13:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

== L-M20 ==

1 person in the United States, Moses, has this Haplogroup, he is part of A00, specifically A-PR291, his current Haplogroup is Q-M242. I'm guessing because of his connection to A-PR291 he has a lot of groups in him. [[Special:Contributions/184.100.50.165|184.100.50.165]] ([[User talk:184.100.50.165|talk]]) 19:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

== Laz population on the section "Middle East and Anatolia" ==

I have found the source of Laz distribution data. Here it is: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-017-1770-2

I don't know how to edit references so please add it. [[User:KayrabCebll|KayrabCebll]] ([[User talk:KayrabCebll|talk]]) 18:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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