Wikipedia - User contributions [en]

Talk:2021 Meron crowd crush

2021-05-03T11:14:35Z

Shuki: /* Requested move 1 May 2021 */ reply to Jdavi333

{{skiptotoc}}
{{Talk header}}
{{ITN talk|date=30 April 2021|oldid = 1020720010}}
{{WikiProject banner shell|collapsed=yes|1=
{{WikiProject Current events |class=C}}
{{WikiProject Death |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Disaster management |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Israel |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Jewish history |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Judaism |class=C |importance=Low}}
}}
{{User:MiszaBot/config
|algo = old(3d)
|archive = Talk:2021 Meron stampede/Archive %(counter)d
|counter = 1
|maxarchivesize = 70K
|archiveheader = {{tan}}
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|minthreadsleft = 3
}}
{{auto archiving notice
|bot = lowercase sigmabot III
|age =3
}}

== Reactions ==

@{{u|Abductive}} - I noticed you removed the reactions from US and EU officials as you wrote it's "boilerplate". How is it more boilerplate than Netanyahu's? Would you prefer if it was summarized? (I had looked at this page which I had come across in the past: [[Reactions to the 2008 Mumbai_attacks#International_reactions]]) | [[User:Mk17b|MK17b]] | ([[User talk:Mk17b|talk]]) 04:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Those predictable responses can best be summarised as "the leaders of Foobar, Goobar and Hoobar expressed sympathy and condolences" with appropriate cites and minus the flags. [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 05:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
::Well, I was thinking of removing that too, but probably the section will fill in with the investigation and other aspects of the aftermath. [[User:Abductive|'''Abductive''']] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]]) 06:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:I agree with you {{u|Mk17b}}, this is an important, [[WP:DUE]] chunk that is missing from the article. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 11:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

==Correct coord==
I don't know if the coordinates are correct because the article in the hebrew language says that there are others (near the city of Meron) - [[User:Eugen Simion 14|'''Eugεn''']][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|'''S¡m¡on''']] 07:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:The site of the gathering is [[Mount Meron]], not the city of [[Meron, Israel]]. ''-- [[User:Deborahjay|Deborahjay]] ([[User talk:Deborahjay|talk]])'' 07:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Look at the Google Maps incident alert - [https://www.google.com/maps/@32.9892102,35.4102829,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m3!15m2!1m1!1s%2Fg%2F11ng74g76z?hl=ro-RO] - [[User:Eugen Simion 14|'''Eugεn''']][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|'''S¡m¡on''']] 08:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
::I fixed it. The incident occured in the stairway of the Tomb of Rabbi Simeon Bar Yochai. [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 14:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== 1911 disaster ==

I think it is worth mentioning that there was a disaster 110 years ago in the same place on Lag BaOmer {{tq|This is not the first time that tragedy marred the celebrations in Meron—in 1911, a roof collapsed on revelers and nine people died, ranging from an eight-year-old to a 65 year-old}} https://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/5117886/jewish/Scores-Crushed-to-Death-at-Packed-Lag-BaOmer-Event-in-Meron-Israel.htm [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 08:09, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Not only same place, but more significantly: same event, same population of celebrants. This content appears in the lead paragraph of the [[Mount Meron]] page and could certainly be added here. ''-- [[User:Deborahjay|Deborahjay]] ([[User talk:Deborahjay|talk]])'' 08:13, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{done}} I've added information on the 1911 disaster to the background section. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 08:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

*The following sentence fragment "a crowd of about 10,000 filled the compound and a surrounding a nearly overlook collapsed" is incomprehensible. Please fix. [[Special:Contributions/73.81.122.188|73.81.122.188]] ([[User talk:73.81.122.188|talk]]) 14:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== Requested move 1 May 2021 ==

{{requested move/dated|2021 Meron crowd crush}}

[[:2021 Meron stampede]] → {{no redirect|2021 Meron crowd crush}} – There has already been a lot of debate about this above, but in summary my opinion is that the use of "stampede" is an extremely loaded term and should be avoided. Contrary to what's written above this is not original research, as reliable sources such as [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/03/hajj-crush-how-crowd-disasters-happen-and-how-they-can-be-avoided] (which is used in our own [[crowd crush]] article) say the term is rejected by academics. {{xt|On the extremely rare occasions that a real stampede happens – that is, people running over you – it is unlikely to be fatal. “If you look at the analysis, I’ve not seen any instances of the cause of mass fatalities being a stampede,” says Keith Still, professor of crowd science at Manchester Metropolitan University. “People don’t die because they panic. They panic because they are dying.”}}. Obviously I'm aware that many sources are indeed calling it a stampede, but it's more ubiquitously called a "crush" - most sources saying "stampede" also seem to say "crush", while plenty of sources such as [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56943755 the BBC] avoid the use of the loaded "stampede" altogether. Finally, regarding the year I am less concerned about that, and I would also support [[Meron crowd crush]] as a second choice, but in general I favour inclusion of years for [[WP:RECOGNIZE]] reasons and as per similar unambiguous examples like [[2016 Munich shooting]] and [[2021 Hualien train derailment]].  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

:Whilst "crowd crush" is technically accurate, "stampede" or "disaster" is the Wikipedian vernacular. The main article is Crowd crush; the subsection list is "Examples of stampedes and crushes"; none of the incidents listed (except for this one) is a denoted as a crush. That said, I await the translation of the Hebrew. [[User:Kencf0618|kencf0618]] ([[User talk:Kencf0618|talk]]) 10:23, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' The page has gone through multiple titles whose combinations have included:
*:Year: Include 2021 or not
*:Location: Israel, Mount Meron, or Meron
*:Incident type: Stampede or crush—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*::Also worth noting that the original title was [[2021 Israel stampede]]. There hadn't been as much debate on the locality question, which is why I restored it to "Meron" again this morning rather than to "Israel".  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Move to Meron crowd crush'''.
:a) The year isn't needed, because it's a major, well-known event; the only one of its type at this location. The 1911 disaster there wasn't a crowd crush or a stampede.
:b) The location - rather than merely the country - should be in the title. It took place in Meron, not on Mount Meron.
:c) It was a crowd crush rather than a stampede, despite many media sources using the latter term. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 10:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Keep "stampede" in title'''. According to [[WP:COMMONNAME]], {{tq|Wikipedia [...] generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). [...] In determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets [...].}} Looking at the front pages of the world, only UK sources use the term "crush" — the rest of the world uses the term "stampede". "Stampede" is used by the New York Times [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/world/middleeast/israel-stampede.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage], The Washington Post [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/29/israel-stampede-mount-meron/], the Wall Street Journal [https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-stampede-turned-hopes-for-post-pandemic-normalcy-to-despair-11619800685?mod=hp_listb_pos1], AlJazeera [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/30/dozens-of-dead-in-israel-pilgrimage-stampede-rescue-services], Reuters [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hurt-disastrous-crush-israeli-bonfire-festival-2021-04-29/] and the Jerusalem Post [https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/lag-baomer-these-are-the-victims-of-mount-meron-666833]. "Crush" is used by The Guardian [https://www.theguardian.com/international], the BBC [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56943755] and the Times [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/crush-kills-45-worshippers-in-israels-worst-peace-time-disaster-gjh2q0l2p]. There is, in other words, a clear tendency in reliable sources of using the term "stampede" over the term "crush". In any case, since Israel is not part of the UK, there is no reason to favour UK terminology. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 10:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:This argument completely fails to address the neutrality issue. At the end of the day, this is a *descriptive* title. There's no official name for this incident, which means that we use the title to describe the event in a way that is recognizable. As such, we follow [[WP:NDESC]], which warns us to "{{xt|"avoid judgmental and non-neutral words"}}. I've explained above that reliable sources have flagged "stampede" on this basis, and it's therefore preferable for Wikipedia to steer clear of that by using neutral language which also recognizably describes the event.  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*::My understanding is the following: if there is a consensus among reliable sources as to the name of a particular event (as is the case for most newsworthy events), then we must use this name per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:NPOVNAME]]. If such a consensus cannot be found, and if we editors have to ''decide'' on a title, then we must apply [[WP:CRITERIA]] and [[WP:NDESC]]. {{small|It's funny that this discussion would come up right now, because I am working on a [[Draft:September 2019 events in the U.S. financial markets|draft]] where there is no consensus on how to name the event in question, so I had to come up with something myself.}}
*::Regardless, it looks like the correct work is actually stampede. From what I could gather looking at the Cambridge dictionary [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/crush][https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/stampede] and the [[Oxford English Dictionary]] [https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/45269?rskey=Ni4ExC&result=1#eid][https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/188928?rskey=OVGQfA&result=1#eid], it's "stampede" that applies when crowds are panicking, moving or fleeing, which was the case here. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 13:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:::You hit the nail on the head with your quote {{xt|"if there is a consensus among reliable sources as to the name of a particular event"}}. There clearly isn't though, because numerous sources are actively avoiding the term you favour. When sources are actively telling us this is a problematic term, it's simply wrong for us to be perpetuating it like this.  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 13:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:On the subject of ''only UK sources use the term "crush" — the rest of the world uses the term "stampede"'', six of the eight sources on the page that use 'stampede' (New York Times, Sky News, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Stars and Stripes, Associated Press) are American, so I'm thinking stampede is actually only "the correct word" in American English. And 'stampede' doesn't apply when a crowd is just moving, only when it is panicked or fleeing (see [https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/188928?rskey=xQwgr8&result=1&isAdvanced=false#eid OED, again]); which in fact ''wasn't'' the case here. [[User:Moonraker12|Moonraker12]] ([[User talk:Moonraker12|talk]]) 18:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Not necessarily arguing for ''crush'' over ''stampede'', but ''crush'' is not limited to UK sources. See [https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/world/israel-stampede-intl/index.html "Crush at religious festival in Israel's Mount Meron kills 45 people". CNN], [https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/after-meron-stampede-how-to-survive-a-crowd-crush-666889 "After Meron tragedy: How to survive a crowd crush". ''The Jerusalem Post''], [https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7233586/israel-seeks-to-identify-45-dead-in-crush/ "Israel seeks to identify 45 dead in crush". Australian Associated Press].—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
* '''Mention year''' because of the 1911 disaster when the railing break and people fell and died. Mentioning the year indicating that it somewhat a repeat disaster. [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 11:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:In 1911, people fell and died when a railing broke.[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-why-do-orthodox-jews-flock-to-the-mt-meron-tomb-of-rabbi-shimon-bar-yochai-1.9761175] It was neither a stampede nor crush.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 11:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:::Agreed - the only way that we'd need the year in the title is if we decide to use disaster in it rather than crush or stampede. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 12:04, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', keep stampede. "Meron stampede" has [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=%22Meron+stampede%22 40 000 Ghits] while "Meron crush" has [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Meron+crush%22&client=firefox-b-d&ei=LDuNYKu6L8avyAPzwI6oBA&oq=%22Meron+crush%22&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBggAEAgQHjoICAAQsAMQxAI6CAgAEAcQChAeOgYIABAHEB46CAgAEAgQBxAeOgoIABAHEAUQChAeOggIABAHEAUQHlD23gZYnOcGYO_zBmgCcAB4AIABwQKIAeEIkgEHMC40LjEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQPAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwirgMChsKjwAhXGF3IKHXOgA0UQ4dUDCA0&uact=5 3500 Ghits]. Clearly the more common name. [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 11:31, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*: The same search terms without quotation marks around them yield 19 million hits for {{tq|meron crush}} and 14 million hits for {{tq|meron stampede}}. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 11:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. "Stampede" just isn't accurate and there are enough journalists getting it right by calling it a crush that we should prefer the latter. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 11:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], stampede is more commonly used. — [[User:Berrely|'''''Berrely''''']] • [[User talk:Berrely|Talk]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|Contribs]] 12:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "crush" wording. I've stated reasons elsewhere in this Talk page, and the relevant points have been made by others in this discussion. Essentially: 1. both "stampede" and "crush" are used by sources, there's no unique accepted term; 2. what happened was clearly not uncontrolled running but squashing people slowly. Academic sources consider "stampede" wrong. [[User:Pol098|Pol098]] ([[User talk:Pol098|talk]]) 13:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': If 'crowd crush' fails WP:COMMONNAME, but 'stampede' is non-neutral (which I agree is the case) the answer per WP:TITLE is something neutral and descriptive, like 'incident', or 'tragedy', or 'disaster' (See [[List of human stampedes and crushes|other, similar articles]] for examples). Also, if we are going to make an exception for this article, when the sources used call it a stampede, we should take the same view across the board; one of the objections to the use of the term 'stampede' in these cases is that it is discriminatory (we object only when it happens to 'people like us'; compare, for example, [[:Category:Human stampedes in the United Kingdom]] with [[:Category:Human stampedes in Saudi Arabia]]). [[User:Moonraker12|Moonraker12]] ([[User talk:Moonraker12|talk]]) 14:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks for the link to those cats. Inside, many of those pages do not have the word stampede in them. I would support name changes on most of the articles which are also clearly not stampedes by definition. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 20:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''"Meron crowd crush"''', largely per [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]]. There's no clear winner between "stampede" and "(crowd) crush" COMMONNAME-wise, which means we can use our editorial discretion, and there are multiple good reasons to prefer the latter, both for academic accuracy and in light of the general bias toward using "stampede" for events that happen outside the West. Given that this is a) the only event of its kind in Meron and b) very notable: Disambiguation by year is unnecessary. That would only be necessary if there were actual ambiguity with another event, or if a very generic term like "incident" were being used. The 1911 event wasn't a stampede; there will probably be some people who mix it up with one, but that's what hatnotes are for—see, e.g. [[1993 World Trade Center bombing]]. -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (they/she) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]] 17:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "crush" wording. It is inaccurate to call it a stampede when the facts and video show that this was an overcrowding issue, not some mass rush on impulse or flight from some other reason. This specific event does not fall under any common use of the term stampede. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 20:15, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::I wouldn't say it is "inaccurate to call it a stampede" when the top 2 most reliable and neutral sources in the world say stampede...just saying. See my comment below for a more detailed reasoning for this comment. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 21:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:::I understand your wish to rely on the terminology chosen by those companies, but just because they 'say' it was a stampede but report that it was not about a stampede mentality or action should mean a lot more. I would support an even more neutral simple term 'Meron Disaster' like is used for many other similar catastrophes. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 13:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''', while "stampede" is probably used more, I don't think the ''degree'' to which it is used more supports a strong enough [[WP:COMMONNAME]] argument to supersede the utility in using the correct nomenclature; "crush" and "stampede" are both used quite often. ‑‑[[User:Volteer1|Volteer1]] ([[User talk:Volteer1|talk]]) 21:11, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Oppose - Keep Stampede''' as many editors that know me, I use logic in discussions rather than Wiki policies. [https://apnews.com/article/israel-lifestyle-religion-middle-east-9c9d028bb510fd81951d6bcc777418b7 (AP News)] & [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hurt-disastrous-crush-israeli-bonfire-festival-2021-04-29/ (Reuters)] calls it a stampede. Logically, since the 2 most reliable and neutral sources in the world (Per the famous media bias/reliability graph/research a few years ago), I have to say that Wikipedia, the worlds largest encyclopedia, should also call it a stampede. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 21:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:P.S. for people wanting to know, [https://www.poynter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/mediabiascharts.png (here)] is a link to that media bias graph. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 21:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' In general I think crowd crush is the more overall descriptive term, a stampede refers to usually ''running'' as an example a stampede of people on black Friday, however as made clear it in the article it wasn't just people running but instead a crowd crush, of people staying roughly in the same area therefor I think that logic of crowd crush is better to describe the horrible event. Thanks. [[User:Des Vallee|Des Vallee]] ([[User talk:Des Vallee|talk]]) 22:11, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''comment''' as a casual reader from Israel of wikipedia. I was searching online for English "2021 Meron Disaster" to find it. In Hebrew it's called "Mount Meron Disaster" (also Hebrew wikipedia article) or "Meron Disaster". Stampede is a loaded word with animalistic connotation and Crush is too unfamiliar or too cold and "scientific"[[Special:Contributions/103.1.31.200|103.1.31.200]] ([[User talk:103.1.31.200|talk]])
**I know this wasn't your point, but for what it's worth, I've just created redirects for those three titles (except with lowercase dees) and for "2021 Mount Meron disaster". -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (she/they) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]] 02:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' No need for the year. I think "disaster" or similar is a better title, as others noted, the event doesn't actually have a name and Wikipedia is supposed to avoid being the source for the name. If we need to choose, "stampede" is more common, "crowd crush" just sounds weird and pedantic. [[User:Hydromania|Hydromania]] ([[User talk:Hydromania|talk]]) 08:31, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*:{{tq|... Wikipedia is supposed to avoid being the source for the name|q=yes}}: Not true. Per the policy [[WP:NDESC]], non-judgmental descriptive titles often need to be invented. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 18:15, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' crowd crush. It was a crowd crush, not a stampede. I also saw that an earlier editor noted that Wikipedia articles do not ''need'' to follow titles used by mainstream news sources. [[User:Durdyfiv1|Durdyfiv1]] ([[User talk:Durdyfiv1|talk]]) 09:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' crowd crush; it's a more accurate term. [[User:Yitzilitt|Yitz]] ([[User talk:Yitzilitt|talk]]) 09:13, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Simply because it was a crowd crush and not a stampede. --[[User:geagea|geagea]][[User talk:geagea|Talk]] 13:32, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It was not a stampede. It was a crowd crush--[[User:Steamboat2020|Steamboat2020]] ([[User talk:Steamboat2020|talk]]) 14:02, 2 May 2021 (UTC)--[[User:Steamboat2020|Steamboat2020]] ([[User talk:Steamboat2020|talk]]) 14:02, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Almost all of the articles about similar tragedies (this happens in Meccas somewhat often) use stampede. While "crush" may be scientifically more correct, that is not the term used in common parlance.[[User:Jdavi333|Jdavi333]] ([[User talk:Jdavi333|talk]]) 14:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
::"used in common parlance" - it cannot be common parlance after 3 days. You can use this argument if it common over the time and wiki article participate also in creation of misleading "common parlance". --[[User:geagea|geagea]][[User talk:geagea|Talk]] 10:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
::: @Jdavi333, I support also changing the titles on all those articles about tragedies where it is not a stampede (and frankly most were not at all). [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 11:14, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
* '''Move''' to "Meron crowd crush". The article doesn't use the word stampede anywhere. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 15:47, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Some people have mentioned using "disaster" in the title. It doesn't seem very [[WP:PRECISE]], and most people aren't going to remember the exact year, making the year a less preferable main disambiguator from other disasters e.g. 1911. I wouldn't use "disaster", short of it becoming part of a proper noun [[WP:COMMONNAME]], which hasn't happened.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 18:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "Mount Meron Disaster" would be ideal, in line with the terminology used for the [[Hillsborough disaster]], but given a binary choice between "stampede" and "crush", "crush" is a less loaded term. --[[User:Zhanmusi|Zhanmusi]] ([[User talk:Zhanmusi|talk]]) 20:30, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Propose''' It is almost mind-boggling that "[[Lag BaOmer]]" is not in the title. Why not call the [[Boston Marathon bombing]] the "2013 Boston bombing"? I propose the "'''2021 Mount Meron Lag BaOmer crush or disaster'''". [[User:The Kingfisher|The Kingfisher]] ([[User talk:The Kingfisher|talk]]) 20:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Agree with [[User:Moonraker12|Moonraker12]] and some others in this thread that, if the dispute between stampede and crowd crush is not settled, disaster is the best title (followed by tragedy and incident). And, as [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] has pointed out, the year would have to be added. [[User:Leoseliv|Leoseliv]] ([[User talk:Leoseliv|talk]]) 21:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' until I actually see a number-based argument proving that crowd crush is the [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. Anecdotally, from what I've seen, most sources use stampede. Us changing the name because we think it's technically wrong is [[WP:OR]]. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 01:44, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
*:It may or may not be the right title, but choosing "crowd crush" is not wrong because of OR. Per the policy [[WP:NDESC]], descriptive titles are often required to be "invented" by our editors: {{tq|... often invented specifically for articles, and should reflect a neutral point of view, rather than suggesting any editor's opinions.|q=yes}} —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 02:27, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
* Definitely keep the year number - given the politics in Israel, especially surrounding the Charedim, the chance of any major change is slim. I just read this morning that it was predicted, back in 1965, that a crowd-disaster would happen eventually. It shouldn't be a surprise if in 4 years on Lag BaOmer (next time it falls on Thursday night/Friday) an other disaster occurs. [[User:Animal lover 666|Animal lover 666]] ([[User talk:Animal lover 666|talk]]) 06:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

== Condolences ==

I think it's good to have written which countries sent condolences. But I wonder how it is best to be written if it includes a lot of countries. Or is it just good to separate them by commas? [[User:Adam080|Adam080]] ([[User talk:Adam080|talk]]) 18:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:A minor rant here. Nothing personal toward you: I'm aware that these sections are widespread, but after years of encountering them, I still don't really understand their purpose. It's pretty much a given that after a mass casualty, many countries will send condolences, in a manner that's essentially just a function of how close they are geopolitically. Occasionally you get a notable departure from this like Israel offering aid to Lebanon after the [[2020 Beirut explosion]] despite being in a state of war, or, in the other direction, if a country pointedly ''didn't'' send condolences when you'd expect them to... But the rest of the time, I really don't see how it adds information to the article [[WP:INDISCRIMINATE|that is likely to be useful to our readers]]. -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (she/they) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]] 18:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::I agree in some point, maybe it would be too much to put all of them. [[User:Adam080|Adam080]] ([[User talk:Adam080|talk]]) 19:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::I'd prefer just a summary at least. Officials from almost every country would probably be willing to say that an obviously bad event is bad and give their condolences, a list of twenty Country<nowiki><ref></nowiki>, Country<nowiki><ref></nowiki>, etc. serves little purpose, really. ‑‑[[User:Volteer1|Volteer1]] ([[User talk:Volteer1|talk]]) 21:16, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::We can do without the flag salad that tends to accompany recent disaster articles.--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])'' 23:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

== Map ==
So in [[User:Berrely/sandpit3]] I have created a GeoJSON map using {{tl|maplink}}, but for some reason, when I copy the exact same code into the infobox, it just shows a picture of the world map. WMmaps is a bit buggy, so if someone could get the map working it would be great. — [[User:Berrely|'''''Berrely''''']] • [[User talk:Berrely|Talk]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|Contribs]] 09:26, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

== "deadliest civil disaster in the history of Israel" ==

I undid the sentence, simply because its not true. In the original hebrew article, the sentence has been already deleted.

first of all, how do you define a civil disaster? also, there's bigger disasters, [[1997_Israeli_helicopter_disaster|1997 Israeli helicopter disaster]] was a bigger disaster in terms of fatality. and there's some disasters with more victims like the [[Versailles_wedding_hall_disaster|Versailles wedding hall disaster]]. [[User:Axinosinety|Axinosinety]] ([[User talk:Axinosinety|talk]]) 10:30, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
:The [[1997 Israeli helicopter disaster]] wasn't a civil disaster, it was a military one, and less people died in the [[Versailles wedding hall disaster]] than in this event. The reliable sources reporting on it (e.g. [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/MAGAZINE-jubilation-to-tragedy-how-israel-s-lag-ba-omer-disaster-unfolded-1.9762405] or [https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-marks-day-of-mourning-for-45-victims-of-meron-stampede/]) aren't wrong. ‑‑[[User:Volteer1|Volteer1]] ([[User talk:Volteer1|talk]]) 10:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

== Thursday–Friday significance ==

The article currently says {{tq|Additionally, for the first time in 13 years, the Mount Meron celebration happened between Thursday and Friday ...|q=yes}} Is there a cultural significance or implication there? If so, can it be made stated more explicitly?—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 07:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
:[[Shabbat]] is the missing info. While the revelry traditionally takes place on Lag BaOmer, it is typically drawn out over a few days to accommodate the large crowds. However this wasn't really possible here because the following day is [[Shabbat]], were no travel or bonfire lighting can take place (among other restrictions). As such there was much pressure to cram more people and bonfires in a short time. I'll try to edit the article to clarify (without too much original research). '''[[User_talk:Rami R|Rami]] [[User:Rami R|R]]''' 08:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 08:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Talk:2021 Meron crowd crush

2021-05-02T13:35:01Z

Shuki: /* Requested move 1 May 2021 */ reply to User:Elijahandskip

{{skiptotoc}}
{{Talk header}}
{{ITN talk|date=30 April 2021|oldid = 1020720010}}
{{WikiProject banner shell|collapsed=yes|1=
{{WikiProject Current events |class=C}}
{{WikiProject Death |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Disaster management |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Israel |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Jewish history |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Judaism |class=C |importance=Low}}
}}
{{User:MiszaBot/config
|algo = old(3d)
|archive = Talk:2021 Meron stampede/Archive %(counter)d
|counter = 1
|maxarchivesize = 70K
|archiveheader = {{tan}}
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|minthreadsleft = 3
}}
{{auto archiving notice
|bot = lowercase sigmabot III
|age =3
}}

== Hebrew article link ==

The English and Russian stubs need to be linked to the Hebrew article: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%9F_%D7%91%D7%94%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%AA_%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%99_%D7%A9%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%9F_%D7%91%D7%A8_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%90%D7%99_(2021). Item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q106651383 needs to be merged with the Hebrew article item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q106651376. [[User:Ethanbas|Ethanbas]] ([[User_talk:Ethanbas|talk]]) 02:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== Reactions ==

@{{u|Abductive}} - I noticed you removed the reactions from US and EU officials as you wrote it's "boilerplate". How is it more boilerplate than Netanyahu's? Would you prefer if it was summarized? (I had looked at this page which I had come across in the past: [[Reactions to the 2008 Mumbai_attacks#International_reactions]]) | [[User:Mk17b|MK17b]] | ([[User talk:Mk17b|talk]]) 04:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Those predictable responses can best be summarised as "the leaders of Foobar, Goobar and Hoobar expressed sympathy and condolences" with appropriate cites and minus the flags. [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 05:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
::Well, I was thinking of removing that too, but probably the section will fill in with the investigation and other aspects of the aftermath. [[User:Abductive|'''Abductive''']] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]]) 06:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:I agree with you {{u|Mk17b}}, this is an important, [[WP:DUE]] chunk that is missing from the article. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 11:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== Earlier warnings and Kupershtok no longer the organiser ==

The passage was already reported in 2018 as dangerous [https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-israel/2021_q2/Article-8e8c1d949212971027.htm?sCh=3d385dd2dd5d4110&pId=1898243326], and in 2021 it was the first year in over a decade that the regular event orgenizer Rebbe. Z. Kupershtok(בן ציון קופרשטוק) which was commenly known as the Father Of Meron [http://kore.co.il/viewArticle/62273] was not at the site. In previous years Mr. Kupershtok was in charge of preventing disasters and planning safety meassures but he had died due to coivd19 in 2020. Shouldn't that be in the background ? ''— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:37.19.127.140|37.19.127.140]] ([[User talk:37.19.127.140#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/37.19.127.140|contribs]]) 06:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)''

==Correct coord==
I don't know if the coordinates are correct because the article in the hebrew language says that there are others (near the city of Meron) - [[User:Eugen Simion 14|'''Eugεn''']][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|'''S¡m¡on''']] 07:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:The site of the gathering is [[Mount Meron]], not the city of [[Meron, Israel]]. ''-- [[User:Deborahjay|Deborahjay]] ([[User talk:Deborahjay|talk]])'' 07:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Look at the Google Maps incident alert - [https://www.google.com/maps/@32.9892102,35.4102829,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m3!15m2!1m1!1s%2Fg%2F11ng74g76z?hl=ro-RO] - [[User:Eugen Simion 14|'''Eugεn''']][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|'''S¡m¡on''']] 08:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
::I fixed it. The incident occured in the stairway of the Tomb of Rabbi Simeon Bar Yochai. [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 14:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== 1911 disaster ==

I think it is worth mentioning that there was a disaster 110 years ago in the same place on Lag BaOmer {{tq|This is not the first time that tragedy marred the celebrations in Meron—in 1911, a roof collapsed on revelers and nine people died, ranging from an eight-year-old to a 65 year-old}} https://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/5117886/jewish/Scores-Crushed-to-Death-at-Packed-Lag-BaOmer-Event-in-Meron-Israel.htm [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 08:09, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Not only same place, but more significantly: same event, same population of celebrants. This content appears in the lead paragraph of the [[Mount Meron]] page and could certainly be added here. ''-- [[User:Deborahjay|Deborahjay]] ([[User talk:Deborahjay|talk]])'' 08:13, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{done}} I've added information on the 1911 disaster to the background section. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 08:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

*The following sentence fragment "a crowd of about 10,000 filled the compound and a surrounding a nearly overlook collapsed" is incomprehensible. Please fix. [[Special:Contributions/73.81.122.188|73.81.122.188]] ([[User talk:73.81.122.188|talk]]) 14:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== Requested move 1 May 2021 ==

{{requested move/dated|2021 Meron crowd crush}}

[[:2021 Meron stampede]] → {{no redirect|2021 Meron crowd crush}} – There has already been a lot of debate about this above, but in summary my opinion is that the use of "stampede" is an extremely loaded term and should be avoided. Contrary to what's written above this is not original research, as reliable sources such as [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/03/hajj-crush-how-crowd-disasters-happen-and-how-they-can-be-avoided] (which is used in our own [[crowd crush]] article) say the term is rejected by academics. {{xt|On the extremely rare occasions that a real stampede happens – that is, people running over you – it is unlikely to be fatal. “If you look at the analysis, I’ve not seen any instances of the cause of mass fatalities being a stampede,” says Keith Still, professor of crowd science at Manchester Metropolitan University. “People don’t die because they panic. They panic because they are dying.”}}. Obviously I'm aware that many sources are indeed calling it a stampede, but it's more ubiquitously called a "crush" - most sources saying "stampede" also seem to say "crush", while plenty of sources such as [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56943755 the BBC] avoid the use of the loaded "stampede" altogether. Finally, regarding the year I am less concerned about that, and I would also support [[Meron crowd crush]] as a second choice, but in general I favour inclusion of years for [[WP:RECOGNIZE]] reasons and as per similar unambiguous examples like [[2016 Munich shooting]] and [[2021 Hualien train derailment]].  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

:Whilst "crowd crush" is technically accurate, "stampede" or "disaster" is the Wikipedian vernacular. The main article is Crowd crush; the subsection list is "Examples of stampedes and crushes"; none of the incidents listed (except for this one) is a denoted as a crush. That said, I await the translation of the Hebrew. [[User:Kencf0618|kencf0618]] ([[User talk:Kencf0618|talk]]) 10:23, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' The page has gone through multiple titles whose combinations have included:
*:Year: Include 2021 or not
*:Location: Israel, Mount Meron, or Meron
*:Incident type: Stampede or crush—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*::Also worth noting that the original title was [[2021 Israel stampede]]. There hadn't been as much debate on the locality question, which is why I restored it to "Meron" again this morning rather than to "Israel".  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Move to Meron crowd crush'''.
:a) The year isn't needed, because it's a major, well-known event; the only one of its type at this location. The 1911 disaster there wasn't a crowd crush or a stampede.
:b) The location - rather than merely the country - should be in the title. It took place in Meron, not on Mount Meron.
:c) It was a crowd crush rather than a stampede, despite many media sources using the latter term. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 10:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Keep "stampede" in title'''. According to [[WP:COMMONNAME]], {{tq|Wikipedia [...] generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). [...] In determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets [...].}} Looking at the front pages of the world, only UK sources use the term "crush" — the rest of the world uses the term "stampede". "Stampede" is used by the New York Times [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/world/middleeast/israel-stampede.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage], The Washington Post [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/29/israel-stampede-mount-meron/], the Wall Street Journal [https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-stampede-turned-hopes-for-post-pandemic-normalcy-to-despair-11619800685?mod=hp_listb_pos1], AlJazeera [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/30/dozens-of-dead-in-israel-pilgrimage-stampede-rescue-services], Reuters [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hurt-disastrous-crush-israeli-bonfire-festival-2021-04-29/] and the Jerusalem Post [https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/lag-baomer-these-are-the-victims-of-mount-meron-666833]. "Crush" is used by The Guardian [https://www.theguardian.com/international], the BBC [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56943755] and the Times [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/crush-kills-45-worshippers-in-israels-worst-peace-time-disaster-gjh2q0l2p]. There is, in other words, a clear tendency in reliable sources of using the term "stampede" over the term "crush". In any case, since Israel is not part of the UK, there is no reason to favour UK terminology. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 10:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:This argument completely fails to address the neutrality issue. At the end of the day, this is a *descriptive* title. There's no official name for this incident, which means that we use the title to describe the event in a way that is recognizable. As such, we follow [[WP:NDESC]], which warns us to "{{xt|"avoid judgmental and non-neutral words"}}. I've explained above that reliable sources have flagged "stampede" on this basis, and it's therefore preferable for Wikipedia to steer clear of that by using neutral language which also recognizably describes the event.  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*::My understanding is the following: if there is a consensus among reliable sources as to the name of a particular event (as is the case for most newsworthy events), then we must use this name per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:NPOVNAME]]. If such a consensus cannot be found, and if we editors have to ''decide'' on a title, then we must apply [[WP:CRITERIA]] and [[WP:NDESC]]. {{small|It's funny that this discussion would come up right now, because I am working on a [[Draft:September 2019 events in the U.S. financial markets|draft]] where there is no consensus on how to name the event in question, so I had to come up with something myself.}}
*::Regardless, it looks like the correct work is actually stampede. From what I could gather looking at the Cambridge dictionary [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/crush][https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/stampede] and the [[Oxford English Dictionary]] [https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/45269?rskey=Ni4ExC&result=1#eid][https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/188928?rskey=OVGQfA&result=1#eid], it's "stampede" that applies when crowds are panicking, moving or fleeing, which was the case here. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 13:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:::You hit the nail on the head with your quote {{xt|"if there is a consensus among reliable sources as to the name of a particular event"}}. There clearly isn't though, because numerous sources are actively avoiding the term you favour. When sources are actively telling us this is a problematic term, it's simply wrong for us to be perpetuating it like this.  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 13:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:On the subject of ''only UK sources use the term "crush" — the rest of the world uses the term "stampede"'', six of the eight sources on the page that use 'stampede' (New York Times, Sky News, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Stars and Stripes, Associated Press) are American, so I'm thinking stampede is actually only "the correct word" in American English. And 'stampede' doesn't apply when a crowd is just moving, only when it is panicked or fleeing (see [https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/188928?rskey=xQwgr8&result=1&isAdvanced=false#eid OED, again]); which in fact ''wasn't'' the case here. [[User:Moonraker12|Moonraker12]] ([[User talk:Moonraker12|talk]]) 18:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Not necessarily arguing for ''crush'' over ''stampede'', but ''crush'' is not limited to UK sources. See [https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/world/israel-stampede-intl/index.html "Crush at religious festival in Israel's Mount Meron kills 45 people". CNN], [https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/after-meron-stampede-how-to-survive-a-crowd-crush-666889 "After Meron tragedy: How to survive a crowd crush". ''The Jerusalem Post''], [https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7233586/israel-seeks-to-identify-45-dead-in-crush/ "Israel seeks to identify 45 dead in crush". Australian Associated Press].—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
* '''Mention year''' because of the 1911 disaster when the railing break and people fell and died. Mentioning the year indicating that it somewhat a repeat disaster. [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 11:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:In 1911, people fell and died when a railing broke.[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-why-do-orthodox-jews-flock-to-the-mt-meron-tomb-of-rabbi-shimon-bar-yochai-1.9761175] It was neither a stampede nor crush.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 11:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:::Agreed - the only way that we'd need the year in the title is if we decide to use disaster in it rather than crush or stampede. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 12:04, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', keep stampede. "Meron stampede" has [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=%22Meron+stampede%22 40 000 Ghits] while "Meron crush" has [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Meron+crush%22&client=firefox-b-d&ei=LDuNYKu6L8avyAPzwI6oBA&oq=%22Meron+crush%22&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBggAEAgQHjoICAAQsAMQxAI6CAgAEAcQChAeOgYIABAHEB46CAgAEAgQBxAeOgoIABAHEAUQChAeOggIABAHEAUQHlD23gZYnOcGYO_zBmgCcAB4AIABwQKIAeEIkgEHMC40LjEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQPAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwirgMChsKjwAhXGF3IKHXOgA0UQ4dUDCA0&uact=5 3500 Ghits]. Clearly the more common name. [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 11:31, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*: The same search terms without quotation marks around them yield 19 million hits for {{tq|meron crush}} and 14 million hits for {{tq|meron stampede}}. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 11:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. "Stampede" just isn't accurate and there are enough journalists getting it right by calling it a crush that we should prefer the latter. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 11:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], stampede is more commonly used. — [[User:Berrely|'''''Berrely''''']] • [[User talk:Berrely|Talk]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|Contribs]] 12:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "crush" wording. I've stated reasons elsewhere in this Talk page, and the relevant points have been made by others in this discussion. Essentially: 1. both "stampede" and "crush" are used by sources, there's no unique accepted term; 2. what happened was clearly not uncontrolled running but squashing people slowly. Academic sources consider "stampede" wrong. [[User:Pol098|Pol098]] ([[User talk:Pol098|talk]]) 13:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': If 'crowd crush' fails WP:COMMONNAME, but 'stampede' is non-neutral (which I agree is the case) the answer per WP:TITLE is something neutral and descriptive, like 'incident', or 'tragedy', or 'disaster' (See [[List of human stampedes and crushes|other, similar articles]] for examples). Also, if we are going to make an exception for this article, when the sources used call it a stampede, we should take the same view across the board; one of the objections to the use of the term 'stampede' in these cases is that it is discriminatory (we object only when it happens to 'people like us'; compare, for example, [[:Category:Human stampedes in the United Kingdom]] with [[:Category:Human stampedes in Saudi Arabia]]). [[User:Moonraker12|Moonraker12]] ([[User talk:Moonraker12|talk]]) 14:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks for the link to those cats. Inside, many of those pages do not have the word stampede in them. I would support name changes on most of the articles which are also clearly not stampedes by definition. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 20:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''"Meron crowd crush"''', largely per [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]]. There's no clear winner between "stampede" and "(crowd) crush" COMMONNAME-wise, which means we can use our editorial discretion, and there are multiple good reasons to prefer the latter, both for academic accuracy and in light of the general bias toward using "stampede" for events that happen outside the West. Given that this is a) the only event of its kind in Meron and b) very notable: Disambiguation by year is unnecessary. That would only be necessary if there were actual ambiguity with another event, or if a very generic term like "incident" were being used. The 1911 event wasn't a stampede; there will probably be some people who mix it up with one, but that's what hatnotes are for—see, e.g. [[1993 World Trade Center bombing]]. -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (they/she) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]] 17:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "crush" wording. It is inaccurate to call it a stampede when the facts and video show that this was an overcrowding issue, not some mass rush on impulse or flight from some other reason. This specific event does not fall under any common use of the term stampede. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 20:15, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::I wouldn't say it is "inaccurate to call it a stampede" when the top 2 most reliable and neutral sources in the world say stampede...just saying. See my comment below for a more detailed reasoning for this comment. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 21:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:::I understand your wish to rely on the terminology chosen by those companies, but just because they 'say' it was a stampede but report that it was not about a stampede mentality or action should mean a lot more. I would support an even more neutral simple term 'Meron Disaster' like is used for many other similar catastrophes. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 13:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''', while "stampede" is probably used more, I don't think the ''degree'' to which it is used more supports a strong enough [[WP:COMMONNAME]] argument to supersede the utility in using the correct nomenclature; "crush" and "stampede" are both used quite often. ‑‑[[User:Volteer1|Volteer1]] ([[User talk:Volteer1|talk]]) 21:11, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Oppose - Keep Stampede''' as many editors that know me, I use logic in discussions rather than Wiki policies. [https://apnews.com/article/israel-lifestyle-religion-middle-east-9c9d028bb510fd81951d6bcc777418b7 (AP News)] & [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hurt-disastrous-crush-israeli-bonfire-festival-2021-04-29/ (Reuters)] calls it a stampede. Logically, since the 2 most reliable and neutral sources in the world (Per the famous media bias/reliability graph/research a few years ago), I have to say that Wikipedia, the worlds largest encyclopedia, should also call it a stampede. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 21:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:P.S. for people wanting to know, [https://www.poynter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/mediabiascharts.png (here)] is a link to that media bias graph. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 21:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' In general I think crowd crush is the more overall descriptive term, a stampede refers to usually ''running'' as an example a stampede of people on black Friday, however as made clear it in the article it wasn't just people running but instead a crowd crush, of people staying roughly in the same area therefor I think that logic of crowd crush is better to describe the horrible event. Thanks. [[User:Des Vallee|Des Vallee]] ([[User talk:Des Vallee|talk]]) 22:11, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''comment''' as a casual reader from Israel of wikipedia. I was searching online for English "2021 Meron Disaster" to find it. In Hebrew it's called "Mount Meron Disaster" (also Hebrew wikipedia article) or "Meron Disaster". Stampede is a loaded word with animalistic connotation and Crush is too unfamiliar or too cold and "scientific"[[Special:Contributions/103.1.31.200|103.1.31.200]] ([[User talk:103.1.31.200|talk]])
**I know this wasn't your point, but for what it's worth, I've just created redirects for those three titles (except with lowercase dees) and for "2021 Mount Meron disaster". -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (she/they) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]] 02:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' No need for the year. I think "disaster" or similar is a better title, as others noted, the event doesn't actually have a name and Wikipedia is supposed to avoid being the source for the name. If we need to choose, "stampede" is more common, "crowd crush" just sounds weird and pedantic. [[User:Hydromania|Hydromania]] ([[User talk:Hydromania|talk]]) 08:31, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' crowd crush. It was a crowd crush, not a stampede. I also saw that an earlier editor noted that Wikipedia articles do not ''need'' to follow titles used by mainstream news sources. [[User:Durdyfiv1|Durdyfiv1]] ([[User talk:Durdyfiv1|talk]]) 09:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' crowd crush; it's a more accurate term. [[User:Yitzilitt|Yitz]] ([[User talk:Yitzilitt|talk]]) 09:13, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Simply because it was a crowd crush and not a stampede. --[[User:geagea|geagea]][[User talk:geagea|Talk]] 13:32, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

== Condolences ==

I think it's good to have written which countries sent condolences. But I wonder how it is best to be written if it includes a lot of countries. Or is it just good to separate them by commas? [[User:Adam080|Adam080]] ([[User talk:Adam080|talk]]) 18:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:A minor rant here. Nothing personal toward you: I'm aware that these sections are widespread, but after years of encountering them, I still don't really understand their purpose. It's pretty much a given that after a mass casualty, many countries will send condolences, in a manner that's essentially just a function of how close they are geopolitically. Occasionally you get a notable departure from this like Israel offering aid to Lebanon after the [[2020 Beirut explosion]] despite being in a state of war, or, in the other direction, if a country pointedly ''didn't'' send condolences when you'd expect them to... But the rest of the time, I really don't see how it adds information to the article [[WP:INDISCRIMINATE|that is likely to be useful to our readers]]. -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (she/they) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]] 18:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::I agree in some point, maybe it would be too much to put all of them. [[User:Adam080|Adam080]] ([[User talk:Adam080|talk]]) 19:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::I'd prefer just a summary at least. Officials from almost every country would probably be willing to say that an obviously bad event is bad and give their condolences, a list of twenty Country<nowiki><ref></nowiki>, Country<nowiki><ref></nowiki>, etc. serves little purpose, really. ‑‑[[User:Volteer1|Volteer1]] ([[User talk:Volteer1|talk]]) 21:16, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

== Map ==
So in [[User:Berrely/sandpit3]] I have created a GeoJSON map using {{tl|maplink}}, but for some reason, when I copy the exact same code into the infobox, it just shows a picture of the world map. WMmaps is a bit buggy, so if someone could get the map working it would be great. — [[User:Berrely|'''''Berrely''''']] • [[User talk:Berrely|Talk]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|Contribs]] 09:26, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

== "deadliest civil disaster in the history of Israel" ==

I undid the sentence, simply because its not true. In the original hebrew article, the sentence has been already deleted.

first of all, how do you define a civil disaster? also, there's bigger disasters, [[1997_Israeli_helicopter_disaster|1997 Israeli helicopter disaster]] was a bigger disaster in terms of fatality. and there's some disasters with more victims like the [[Versailles_wedding_hall_disaster|Versailles wedding hall disaster]]. [[User:Axinosinety|Axinosinety]] ([[User talk:Axinosinety|talk]]) 10:30, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
:The [[1997 Israeli helicopter disaster]] wasn't a civil disaster, it was a military one, and less people died in the [[Versailles wedding hall disaster]] than in this event. The reliable sources reporting on it (e.g. [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/MAGAZINE-jubilation-to-tragedy-how-israel-s-lag-ba-omer-disaster-unfolded-1.9762405] or [https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-marks-day-of-mourning-for-45-victims-of-meron-stampede/]) aren't wrong. ‑‑[[User:Volteer1|Volteer1]] ([[User talk:Volteer1|talk]]) 10:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

2021 Meron crowd crush

2021-05-01T20:28:23Z

Shuki: /* Background */ rm pejorative

{{Short description|Disaster in Israel, 30 April 2021}}
<noinclude>{{User:RMCD bot/subject notice|1=2021 Meron crowd crush|2=Talk:2021 Meron stampede#Requested move 1 May 2021 }}
</noinclude>{{pp-move-dispute|small=yes}}
{{Use dmy dates|date=April 2021}}
{{Infobox event
| title = 2021 Meron stampede
| image = {{Location map|Israel northeast|border=infobox |float=center |width=250 |label=Tomb of Rabbi Bar-Yochai |position=top |caption= |lat_deg=32.9806 |lon_deg=35.4404 }}
| caption =
| time = {{circa|00:50}}
| timezone = [[Israel Summer Time]]
| duration = 
| date = {{start date|2021|04|30|df=y}}
| location = [[Meron, Israel]]
| coordinates = {{Coord|32|58|50.3|N|35|26|25.5|E|region:IL-Z_type:event|display=inline,title}}
| type =
| cause = Disputed; over-crowding in [[Lag BaOmer]] celebration
| participants = 100,000 [[Haredi Judaism|Haredi]] and [[Orthodox Judaism|Orthodox]] Jews
| reported deaths = 45
| reported injuries = 150
| reported missing =
| reported property damage =
| inquiries = Ongoing
| accused =
| convictions =
}}
On 30 April 2021, at about 00:50 [[Israel Summer Time|IDT]], a deadly [[crowd crush]] occurred in [[Meron, Israel]], during the annual [[Mount Meron]] pilgrimage on the [[Jewish holidays|Jewish holiday]] of [[Lag BaOmer]], at which about 300,000 people were in attendance. Forty-five people were killed, and more than a 150 injured, dozens of them critically, making it the deadliest civil disaster in the history of Israel.<ref name="Jerusalem Post"/><ref>{{Cite news|title="There are casualties, the event is over!": The moment of the disaster, live from Mount Meron|url=https://m.ynet.co.il/articles/59233810|access-date=2021-04-30|work=[[Ynet]]|language=he}}</ref> Most of the victims at the sex-segregated event were men or boys.<ref name=beebmayday/> The crush occurred after celebrants poured out of one section of the mountainside compound, down a passageway with a sloping metal floor wet with spilled drinks, leading to a staircase continuing down. Witnesses say that people tripped and slipped near the top of the stairs. Those behind, unaware of the blockage ahead, continued, crushing the people further down.<ref name=kershner>{{Cite news|last=Kershner|first=Isabel|date=2021-04-30|title=Israel Mourns After a Religious Festival Turns Into Disaster|language=en-US|work=The New York Times|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/world/middleeast/israel-stampede.html|access-date=2021-04-30|issn=0362-4331}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|title=How the deadly Israel stampede unfolded|url=https://news.sky.com/story/how-did-the-israel-stampede-happen-12291443|access-date=2021-04-30|website=Sky News|language=en}}</ref>

The potential for such a calamity, given the tens of thousands of celebrants, had been reported by the state controller and the police chief. The local council had tried several times to close the site.<ref name=kershner/> [[Reuters]] cited Israeli media outlets in reporting that, as a precaution against the [[COVID-19 pandemic in Israel|COVID-19 pandemic in the country]], bonfire areas had been partitioned off, which may have created choke-points that were not taken into account.<ref name=williams>{{Cite news |title=Israel seeks to identify many of 45 dead in crush at religious festival |last1=Williams|first1=Dan|last2=Rabinovitch|first2=Ari|agency=Reuters |date=30 April 2021 |url= https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hurt-disastrous-crush-israeli-bonfire-festival-2021-04-29/}}</ref>

==Background==
[[File:Preparations to Simeon bar Yochai celebration in Meron. May 2016 (cropped).jpg|thumb|Police preparations for Simeon bar Yochai celebration in Mount Meron, May 2016]]
Many Jews, mostly [[Haredi Judaism|Haredi]], traditionally convene for [[Lag BaOmer]] at the grave of the 2nd-century [[Tannaim|Tannaitic]] rabbi [[Shimon bar Yochai]] at [[Mount Meron]] to dance and make [[bonfire]]s.<ref name="nyt-stampede">{{cite news|last1=Kershner|first1=Isabel|last2=Nagourney|first2=Eric|last3=Ives|first3=Mike|date=29 April 2021|title=Stampede at Israel Religious Celebration Kills at Least 44|work=[[The New York Times]]|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/29/world/middleeast/israel-mount-meron-stampede.html|access-date=30 April 2021}}</ref> Both men and women attend, with women in
a separate women's section.<ref>{{Cite news |title=Why do ultra-Orthodox Jews flock to Mount Meron on Lag B’Omer? |last=Liphshiz |first=Cnaan |newspaper=Times of Israel |date=30 April 2021 |url= https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-do-ultra-orthodox-jews-flock-to-mount-meron-on-lag-bomer/}}</ref>

It is Israel's biggest religious festival of the year.<ref name=maltz_30042020/> In 2020, the country restricted the pilgrimage due to the [[COVID-19 pandemic in Israel|COVID-19 pandemic]]. The [[Cabinet of Israel]] permitted the 2021 pilgrimage and waived the COVID-19 cap of 1,000 attendees. This was lifted as part of an agreement with [[Ministry of Religious Services]] officials which required attendees to be [[COVID-19 vaccine|vaccinated against COVID-19]].<ref name="wsj-stampede">{{cite news |last1=Schwartz |first1=Felicia |title=Dozens Killed in Stampede at Israeli Religious Festival |url=https://www.wsj.com/articles/dozens-killed-in-stampede-at-israeli-religious-festival-11619748818 |access-date=30 April 2021 |work=[[The Wall Street Journal]] |date=29 April 2021|url-access=subscription}}</ref> The event was the largest to be held in Israel since the start of the pandemic in 2020.<ref name="BBC crush">{{cite news|title=Israel crush: Dozens killed at Lag B'Omer religious festival|url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56938657|language=en-GB|publisher=BBC|date=30 April 2021|accessdate=30 April 2021}}</ref>

Additionally, for the first time in 13 years, the Mount Meron celebration happened between Thursday and Friday, and the celebration was limited to a window of 14 hours when three bonfires were lit at the same time, each by an [[Admor]], with approximately three thousand people at each bonfire.<ref>{{cite news |title=44 הרוגים ויותר מ-100 פצועים בהילולה בהר מירון |url=https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/ry17Cs00Pu |work=[[Ynet]] |date=29 April 2021 |language=he}}</ref> The number of people permitted to the bonfire lighting was limited to 10,000 people,<ref name="Jerusalem Post" /> but approximately 100,000 had arrived at the site,<ref>{{cite news |title=44 people crushed to death, dozens hurt at mass Lag B'Omer event in Mt. Meron |url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-said-hurt-as-stand-collapses-at-mass-lag-bomer-gathering-in-mount-meron/ |work=[[The Times of Israel]] |date=30 April 2021}}</ref> which was larger than the restricted crowd in 2020 but smaller than the hundreds of thousands of people in previous years.<ref name="BBC crush"/> Israeli media reported that, as a precaution against the COVID-19 pandemic, bonfire areas had been partitioned off, which may have created choke-points that were not taken into account.<ref name=williams/>

The crush was not the first time pilgrims at Mount Meron had been killed in an accident: on 15 May 1911, eleven people were killed when a crowd of about 10,000 filled the compound and a railing of a nearby overlook collapsed. About 100 people fell from a height of roughly 25 feet to the ground below,<ref name=maltz_30042020>{{cite news|first=Judy|last=Maltz|date=30 April 2021|title=Why do Orthodox Jews flock to the Mt. Meron tomb of Rabbi Shimon Bar-Yochai?|language=en|work=Haaretz.com|url=https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-why-do-orthodox-jews-flock-to-the-mt-meron-tomb-of-rabbi-shimon-bar-yochai-1.9761175|url-access=subscription}}</ref> the deaths of seven were determined at the scene and of four others in the days following the incident. There were 40 injured.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Israel |first1=David |title=The Tragedy on Mt. Meron, Lag B'Omer 1911 |url=https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/the-tragedy-on-mt-meron-lag-bomer-1911/2021/04/30/ |date=30 April 2021}}</ref>

There had been a fatal crowd crush in Israel in 1995, at the oversold farewell concert by the band [[Mashina]] during the [[Arad, Israel|Arad]] music Festival. Masses of people attempted to enter the event through passages that were too narrow; three boys were crushed to death.<ref>{{Cite news |title=After Meron tragedy: How to survive a crowd crush |last=JAFFE-HOFFMAN |first=MAAYAN |work=The Jerusalem Post |date=1 May 2021 |url= https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/after-meron-stampede-how-to-survive-a-crowd-crush-666889}}</ref>

===Safety warnings===
A 2008 report of the site by the [[State Comptroller of Israel]] concluded that the site is not adequate for the number of annual visitors.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/BJePYLFPu|title=מבקר המדינה מצא ליקויים בקבר הרשב"י כבר לפני 12 שנה: "אין לאפשר את המצב הקיים"|date=30 April 2021|website=ynet}}</ref><ref name="nws1">{{cite web|url=https://www.news1.co.il/TagsSearchResults.aspx?TagID=7156|title=News1 מחלקה ראשונה|website=www.news1.co.il}}</ref> Following the report in 2011, the state declared it would [[Eminent domain|take control over the site]],<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.haaretz.co.il/science/1.1576897|title=הממשלה החליטה להלאים את קבר הרשב"י|website=Haaretz הארץ}}</ref> but a high court ruling reversed the move in 2020.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.nadlancenter.co.il/article/2317|title=המהלך להפקעת מתחם קבר הרשבי במירון נעצר; במקומו – הסדר ל-3 שנים|website=www.nadlancenter.co.il}}</ref>

==Crush==
According to witness accounts, the event was held in a fenced area described as "overly confining".<ref name="Wapo Stampede at religious">{{cite news |title=Stampede at religious festival in Israel leaves at least 45 dead, dozens injured |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/29/israel-stampede-mount-meron/ |access-date=30 April 2021 |work=[[The Washington Post]] |date=30 April 2021}}</ref> Close to midnight, some participants began to slip and fall on stone steps near a narrow corridor with a metal ramped surface, and others fell on top of them because of severe overcrowding.<ref name="nyt-stampede" /><ref name="BBC crush"/><ref name="Wapo Stampede at religious" /> As the crowd moved to the gates, a crush started.<ref name="Jerusalem Post" /><ref name="Wapo Stampede at religious" /> According to one witness, security blocked the passageway and kept people from exiting. As people were starting to faint from immense overcrowding, police finally opened the gates to allow people through. The crush ensued as a large number of people tried to exit at the same time through the narrow passageway.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1969696/justice-ministry-to-open-probe-into-possible-police-negligence-at-meron.html|title=Justice Ministry To Open Probe Into Possible Police Negligence At Meron|date=30 April 2021}}</ref> The wet and slippery metal stairs also caused people to fall on top of each other.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/stampede-at-religious-festival-in-israel-kills-at-least-45-1.671683|title=Stampede at religious festival in Israel kills at least 45|website=Stars and Stripes}}</ref><ref name=kershner/> In the crush, 45 people were killed and at least 150 more were injured.<ref name="Jerusalem Post">{{cite news|last=Joffre|first=Tzvi|title=Israel works to identify 45 killed in Lag Ba'omer Mount Meron stampede|url=https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/lag-bomer-80-year-old-in-critical-condition-52-requiring-treatment-666768|access-date=30 April 2021|work=[[The Jerusalem Post]]|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|title=44 people killed in mass stampede of people during Lag Ba'Omer celebrations in Meron|last=Benari|first=Elad|url=https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/305300|access-date=30 April 2021|website=[[Israel National News]]|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|first1=Amir|last1=Tal|first2=Abeer|last2=Salman|title=Dozens killed in crush at religious event in northern Israel, emergency services say|url=https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/world/israel-stampede-intl/index.html|access-date=30 April 2021|work=[[CNN]]|date=29 April 2021}}</ref> Most of the dead belonged to the [[Toldos Aharon (Hasidic dynasty)|Toldot Aharon]] Hasidic sect.<ref>{{cite web|author=|work=The Jerusalem Post|title=Lag Ba'omer: What's Toldot Aharon, hassidic sect whose members were killed?|url=https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/what-is-toldot-aharon-hassidic-sect-whose-members-were-killed-at-meron-666808|date=2021-04-30}}</ref> Several of the victims are believed to be from foreign countries.<ref name=beebmayday/>

As medics were trying to reach the injured, former Israeli Chief Rabbi [[Yisrael Meir Lau]] remained on stage urging calm and reciting psalms for the injured.<ref name="Jerusalem Post"/> Three hundred rescue buses were prevented from entering the site due to blocked access roads.<ref>{{cite web|title="המשטרה לא פינתה צירים; שוטרים הצילו חיים"|url=https://mobile.kikar.co.il/article/390819|website=[[kikar.co.il]] |language=he}}</ref> Six helicopters were flown in to evacuate the injured. Cell phone service crashed due to the number of people trying to get in contact with their families.<ref name="Jerusalem Post"/>

==Aftermath==
[[File:IDF after the Mount Meron stampede I.png|thumb|IDF personnel after the disaster]]
The crush is under investigation. Israeli police said the crush was unpreventable and that the location was being inspected for structural flaws, but the scenario of people slipping on stairs was out of police control.<ref name="haaretz-overcrowded">{{cite news|last1=Breiner|first1=Josh|last2=Shpigel|first2=Noa|date=30 April 2021|title=At Least 44 Killed at Overcrowded Lag Ba'Omer Event in Northern Israel|work=[[Haaretz]]|url=https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/dozens-injured-after-grandstand-collapse-in-northern-israel-1.9760719|access-date=30 April 2021}}</ref> Police Northern commander Shimon Lavi said that he bears full responsibility.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/warnings-for-years-of-meron-bottleneck-police-commander-takes-blame-for-tragedy/|title=Meron exit route was known for years as bottleneck; police commander takes blame|author=|work=Times of Israel}}</ref><ref name="auto">{{Cite news|url=https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/B1xyGftwu|title=במשטרה הודפים האשמות: "כולם אישרו את שביל הגישה, המדינה אחראית"|date=30 April 2021|work=[[Ynet]]|language=he}}</ref> Police released a statement that the passage was authorized by all authorities and that they had understood the event would be abnormally large.<ref name="auto"/>

The crush was one of the deadliest civilian disasters to occur in Israeli history, surpassing the [[Mount Carmel forest fire (2010)|2010 Mount Carmel forest fire]] which killed 44.<ref name="Jerusalem Post"/> Prime Minister [[Benjamin Netanyahu]] called it a "great tragedy" and said that everyone was praying for the victims.<ref name="ap-stampede">{{cite news |last1=Krauss |first1=Joseph |title=Stampede at Israeli religious festival kills nearly 40 |url=https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-health-coronavirus-cf9f6e159d03efdb42dcf2d401beefc2 |access-date=30 April 2021 |work=Associated Press |date=29 April 2021}}</ref> Netanyahu declared 2 May 2021 a national day of mourning.<ref name="day-of-mourning">{{cite news |title=As Meron deaths rise to 45, PM declares Sunday day of mourning, vows full probe|author= |url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-april-30-2021/ |access-date=30 April 2021 |work=[[The Times of Israel]] |date=30 April 2021}}</ref> Several cultural activities were cancelled.<ref>{{Cite web|date=2021-04-30|title=בעקבות האסון במירון: ביטולי הופעות בעולם התרבות|url=https://www.ynet.co.il/entertainment/article/r1bt63FDu|access-date=2021-04-30|website=ynet|language=he}}</ref> President [[Reuven Rivlin]] offered his condolences to the victims.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Shpigel |first1=Noa |last2=Breiner |first2=Josh |title=At Least 45 Crushed to Death at Lag Ba'Omer Disaster in Northern Israel |url=https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/dozens-injured-after-grandstand-collapse-in-northern-israel-1.9760719 |access-date=30 April 2021 |work=[[Haaretz]] |date=30 April 2021}}</ref>

Israeli police had identified the bodies of 32 of the dead by 1 May.<ref name=beebmayday>{{Cite news|date=2021-05-01|title=Israel crush: Israel mourns as festival crush victims identified|language=en-GB|work=BBC News|url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56955396}}</ref>

Condolences were issued by officials from Argentina,<ref>{{Cite news|date=30 April 2021|title=Tragedia en Israel: hay un joven argentino entre los muertos por la estampida|trans-title=Tragedy in Israel: a young Argentine is among those killed by the stampede|work=[[La Nación]]|url=https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo/tragedia-en-israel-hay-un-joven-argentino-entre-los-muertos-por-la-estampida-nid30042021/|access-date=30 April 2021|language=Spanish}}</ref> Bahrain,<ref>{{cite news |title=Bahrain sends condolences to Israel over Mt. Meron deaths |url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bahrain-sends-condolences-to-israel-over-mt-meron-deaths/ |access-date=1 May 2021 |work=The Times of Israel |date=30 April 2021}}</ref> Belgium,<ref>{{Cite tweet|link=no |user=Sophie_Wilmes |number=1388081997667577856 |title=The tragedy at the Lag Ba’omer pilgrimage in #Israel #MountMeron affects the whole country. We stand with the people of Israel and extend our deepest condolences to the families and the friends of the victims. We wish the injured a speedy recovery.}}</ref> Canada,<ref>{{Cite web|last=|first=|date=2021-04-30|title=Canada expresses condolences to Israel following Lag B’Omer tragedy|url=https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2021/04/canada-expresses-condolences-to-israel-following-lag-bomer-tragedy.html|url-status=live|access-date=2021-05-01|website=[[Global Affairs Canada]]}}</ref> Egypt,<ref>{{Cite web|date=2021-04-30|title=Egypt offers condolences over victims of Israel's Mount Meron stampede|url=https://www.sis.gov.eg/Story/155187/Egypt-offers-condolences-over-victims-of-Israel's-Mount-Meron-stampede/?lang=en-us|url-status=live|access-date=2021-05-01|website=[[State Information Service]]}}</ref> the European Union,<ref>{{Cite tweet |user=EGiaufretEU |number=1388022330832609280 |title=Deeply saddened by the terrible news of injuries and deaths at Lag Ba'omer celebration on Mount Meron. My heartfelt condolences to the families of the victims and wishes of speedy recovery to all those that were injured.}}</ref> France,<ref>{{Cite tweet|link=no|user=francediplo_EN|number=1388065647784038401|title=We extend our sincere condolences to the families and close friends of those killed and wish the injured a speedy recovery. We assure the Israeli people of our wholehearted solidarity at this extremely difficult time.}}</ref> Georgia,<ref>{{Cite web|last=Kartozia|first=Marika|date=2021-04-30|title=Georgian PM extends condolences to Israel for the Mount Meron tragedy|url=https://1tv.ge/en/news/georgian-pm-extends-condolences-to-israel-for-the-mount-meron-tragedy/|url-status=live|access-date=2021-05-01|website=[[First Channel (Georgian TV channel)|First Channel]]|language=en-US}}</ref> Germany,<ref>{{Cite tweet|link=no |user=GermanyDiplo |number=1388022330832609280 |title=The news reaching us this morning of the tragedy at the Lag B'Omer holiday on Mt. Meron in #Israel are devastating. Our thoughts are with the victims’ families and loved ones.}}</ref> Italy,<ref>{{Cite tweet|link=no |user=ItalyMFA |number=1388066709567836161 |title=Shocked and saddened by the tragic event at #MountMeron during Lag Ba'Omer celebrations. We express our deepest condolences to #Israel and its people. Our thoughts are with the families and friends of the victims and with those injured to whom we wish a speedy recovery.}}</ref> Jordan, the Palestinian Authority,<ref>{{Cite web|last=|first=|date=2021-04-30|title=Palestinian leader Abbas, Jordan’s king, Gulf allies send condolences over Meron|url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-leader-abbas-jordans-king-gulf-allies-send-condolences-over-meron/|url-status=live|access-date=2021-05-01|website=[[Times of Israel]]|language=en-US}}</ref> Spain,<ref>{{Cite tweet|link=no |user=SpainMFA |number=1388124035792449538 |title=In connection with the tragedy on Mount Meron, with more than 40 people killed and a considerable number of injuries, Spain expresses its deepest condolences to the Government of #Israel and to the families and friends of the deceased, and wishes those injured a speedy recovery.}}</ref> Turkey,<ref>{{cite press release |title=Press Release Regarding the Casualties on Mount Meron in the North of Israel |url=https://www.mfa.gov.tr/no_-167_-israil-in-kuzeyindeki-meron-dagi-nda-yasanan-can-kayiplari-hk.en.mfa |access-date=30 April 2021 |work=Turkey's Ministry of Foreign Affairs |date=30 April 2021}}</ref> the United Arab Emirates,<ref>{{cite press release|last=Bashir|first=Hassan|date=2021-04-30|title=Abdullah bin Zayed condoles Israel's FM over Mount Meron incident|url=http://wam.ae/en/details/1395302931487|url-status=live|access-date=2021-05-01|website=[[Emirates News Agency]]}}</ref> the United Kingdom<ref>{{cite news |last1=Varga |first1=John |title=Queen 'deeply saddened' by Israel tragedy after at least 45 killed in festival stampede |url=https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1430542/queen-elizabeth-ii-sends-condolences-to-israel-meron-stampede-royal-family-ont |work=Express.co.uk |date=1 May 2021 |language=en}}</ref> and the United States.<ref name="haaretz-overcrowded" /><ref>{{Cite tweet|link=no |user=JakeSullivan46 |number=1387963871986655233 |title=Our hearts go out to the people of Israel tonight following the terrible tragedy at Mount Meron. We offer our condolences to the families and friends who lost loved ones in this disaster, and wish a full and swift recovery to those injured.}}</ref>

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs thanked those who offered condolences.<ref>{{Cite web|date=2021-04-30|title=The MFA thanks the many well-wishers who offered their condolences following the Mount Meron disaster|url=https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/PressRoom/2021/Pages/The-MFA-thanks-the-many-well-wishers-who-offered-their-condolences-following-the-Mount-Meron-disaster-30-April-2021.aspx|url-status=live|access-date=2021-05-01|website=mfa.gov.il}}</ref>

==See also==
* [[The revelry of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai]]
* [[2021 in Israel]]
* [[List of human stampedes and crushes]]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
* {{Commons category-inline}}

{{Human crushes}}
{{portal bar|Israel|Judaism|Modern history|Society}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Meron}}
[[Category:2021 disasters in Asia]]
[[Category:2021 in Israel]]
[[Category:April 2021 events in Asia]]
[[Category:COVID-19 pandemic in Israel]]
[[Category:Disasters in religious buildings and structures]]
[[Category:Human stampedes in 2021]]
[[Category:Human stampedes in Asia]]
[[Category:Man-made disasters in Israel]]
[[Category:Merom HaGalil Regional Council]]

Talk:2021 Meron crowd crush

2021-05-01T20:25:42Z

Shuki: /* Requested move 1 May 2021 */ Comment to Moonraker12 - most 'stampede' pages in those cats are actually not named with stampede.

{{Talk header}}
{{ITN talk|date=30 April 2021|oldid = 1020720010}}
{{WikiProject banner shell|collapsed=yes|1=
{{WikiProject Current events |class=C}}
{{WikiProject Death |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Disaster management |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Israel |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Jewish history |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Judaism |class=C |importance=Low}}
}}
{{User:MiszaBot/config
|algo = old(3d)
|archive = Talk:2021 Meron stampede/Archive %(counter)d
|counter = 1
|maxarchivesize = 70K
|archiveheader = {{tan}}
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|minthreadsleft = 3
}}
{{auto archiving notice
|bot = lowercase sigmabot III
|age =3
}}

== Hebrew article link ==

The English and Russian stubs need to be linked to the Hebrew article: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%9F_%D7%91%D7%94%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%AA_%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%99_%D7%A9%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%9F_%D7%91%D7%A8_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%90%D7%99_(2021). Item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q106651383 needs to be merged with the Hebrew article item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q106651376. [[User:Ethanbas|Ethanbas]] ([[User_talk:Ethanbas|talk]]) 02:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== Reactions ==

@{{u|Abductive}} - I noticed you removed the reactions from US and EU officials as you wrote it's "boilerplate". How is it more boilerplate than Netanyahu's? Would you prefer if it was summarized? (I had looked at this page which I had come across in the past: [[Reactions to the 2008 Mumbai_attacks#International_reactions]]) | [[User:Mk17b|MK17b]] | ([[User talk:Mk17b|talk]]) 04:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Those predictable responses can best be summarised as "the leaders of Foobar, Goobar and Hoobar expressed sympathy and condolences" with appropriate cites and minus the flags. [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 05:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
::Well, I was thinking of removing that too, but probably the section will fill in with the investigation and other aspects of the aftermath. [[User:Abductive|'''Abductive''']] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]]) 06:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:I agree with you {{u|Mk17b}}, this is an important, [[WP:DUE]] chunk that is missing from the article. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 11:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== Earlier warnings and Kupershtok no longer the organiser ==

The passage was already reported in 2018 as dangerous [https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-israel/2021_q2/Article-8e8c1d949212971027.htm?sCh=3d385dd2dd5d4110&pId=1898243326], and in 2021 it was the first year in over a decade that the regular event orgenizer Rebbe. Z. Kupershtok(בן ציון קופרשטוק) which was commenly known as the Father Of Meron [http://kore.co.il/viewArticle/62273] was not at the site. In previous years Mr. Kupershtok was in charge of preventing disasters and planning safety meassures but he had died due to coivd19 in 2020. Shouldn't that be in the background ? ''— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:37.19.127.140|37.19.127.140]] ([[User talk:37.19.127.140#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/37.19.127.140|contribs]]) 06:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)''

==Correct coord==
I don't know if the coordinates are correct because the article in the hebrew language says that there are others (near the city of Meron) - [[User:Eugen Simion 14|'''Eugεn''']][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|'''S¡m¡on''']] 07:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:The site of the gathering is [[Mount Meron]], not the city of [[Meron, Israel]]. ''-- [[User:Deborahjay|Deborahjay]] ([[User talk:Deborahjay|talk]])'' 07:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Look at the Google Maps incident alert - [https://www.google.com/maps/@32.9892102,35.4102829,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m3!15m2!1m1!1s%2Fg%2F11ng74g76z?hl=ro-RO] - [[User:Eugen Simion 14|'''Eugεn''']][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|'''S¡m¡on''']] 08:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
::I fixed it. The incident occured in the stairway of the Tomb of Rabbi Simeon Bar Yochai. [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 14:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== 1911 disaster ==

I think it is worth mentioning that there was a disaster 110 years ago in the same place on Lag BaOmer {{tq|This is not the first time that tragedy marred the celebrations in Meron—in 1911, a roof collapsed on revelers and nine people died, ranging from an eight-year-old to a 65 year-old}} https://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/5117886/jewish/Scores-Crushed-to-Death-at-Packed-Lag-BaOmer-Event-in-Meron-Israel.htm [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 08:09, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Not only same place, but more significantly: same event, same population of celebrants. This content appears in the lead paragraph of the [[Mount Meron]] page and could certainly be added here. ''-- [[User:Deborahjay|Deborahjay]] ([[User talk:Deborahjay|talk]])'' 08:13, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{done}} I've added information on the 1911 disaster to the background section. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 08:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

*The following sentence fragment "a crowd of about 10,000 filled the compound and a surrounding a nearly overlook collapsed" is incomprehensible. Please fix. [[Special:Contributions/73.81.122.188|73.81.122.188]] ([[User talk:73.81.122.188|talk]]) 14:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== Requested move 1 May 2021 ==

{{requested move/dated|2021 Meron crowd crush}}

[[:2021 Meron stampede]] → {{no redirect|2021 Meron crowd crush}} – There has already been a lot of debate about this above, but in summary my opinion is that the use of "stampede" is an extremely loaded term and should be avoided. Contrary to what's written above this is not original research, as reliable sources such as [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/03/hajj-crush-how-crowd-disasters-happen-and-how-they-can-be-avoided] (which is used in our own [[crowd crush]] article) say the term is rejected by academics. {{xt|On the extremely rare occasions that a real stampede happens – that is, people running over you – it is unlikely to be fatal. “If you look at the analysis, I’ve not seen any instances of the cause of mass fatalities being a stampede,” says Keith Still, professor of crowd science at Manchester Metropolitan University. “People don’t die because they panic. They panic because they are dying.”}}. Obviously I'm aware that many sources are indeed calling it a stampede, but it's more ubiquitously called a "crush" - most sources saying "stampede" also seem to say "crush", while plenty of sources such as [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56943755 the BBC] avoid the use of the loaded "stampede" altogether. Finally, regarding the year I am less concerned about that, and I would also support [[Meron crowd crush]] as a second choice, but in general I favour inclusion of years for [[WP:RECOGNIZE]] reasons and as per similar unambiguous examples like [[2016 Munich shooting]] and [[2021 Hualien train derailment]].  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

:Whilst "crowd crush" is technically accurate, "stampede" or "disaster" is the Wikipedian vernacular. The main article is Crowd crush; the subsection list is "Examples of stampedes and crushes"; none of the incidents listed (except for this one) is a denoted as a crush. That said, I await the translation of the Hebrew. [[User:Kencf0618|kencf0618]] ([[User talk:Kencf0618|talk]]) 10:23, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' The page has gone through multiple titles whose combinations have included:
*:Year: Include 2021 or not
*:Location: Israel, Mount Meron, or Meron
*:Incident type: Stampede or crush—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*::Also worth noting that the original title was [[2021 Israel stampede]]. There hadn't been as much debate on the locality question, which is why I restored it to "Meron" again this morning rather than to "Israel".  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Move to Meron crowd crush'''.
:a) The year isn't needed, because it's a major, well-known event; the only one of its type at this location. The 1911 disaster there wasn't a crowd crush or a stampede.
:b) The location - rather than merely the country - should be in the title. It took place in Meron, not on Mount Meron.
:c) It was a crowd crush rather than a stampede, despite many media sources using the latter term. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 10:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Keep "stampede" in title'''. According to [[WP:COMMONNAME]], {{tq|Wikipedia [...] generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). [...] In determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets [...].}} Looking at the front pages of the world, only UK sources use the term "crush" — the rest of the world uses the term "stampede". "Stampede" is used by the New York Times [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/world/middleeast/israel-stampede.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage], The Washington Post [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/29/israel-stampede-mount-meron/], the Wall Street Journal [https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-stampede-turned-hopes-for-post-pandemic-normalcy-to-despair-11619800685?mod=hp_listb_pos1], AlJazeera [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/30/dozens-of-dead-in-israel-pilgrimage-stampede-rescue-services], Reuters [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hurt-disastrous-crush-israeli-bonfire-festival-2021-04-29/] and the Jerusalem Post [https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/lag-baomer-these-are-the-victims-of-mount-meron-666833]. "Crush" is used by The Guardian [https://www.theguardian.com/international], the BBC [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56943755] and the Times [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/crush-kills-45-worshippers-in-israels-worst-peace-time-disaster-gjh2q0l2p]. There is, in other words, a clear tendency in reliable sources of using the term "stampede" over the term "crush". In any case, since Israel is not part of the UK, there is no reason to favour UK terminology. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 10:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:This argument completely fails to address the neutrality issue. At the end of the day, this is a *descriptive* title. There's no official name for this incident, which means that we use the title to describe the event in a way that is recognizable. As such, we follow [[WP:NDESC]], which warns us to "{{xt|"avoid judgmental and non-neutral words"}}. I've explained above that reliable sources have flagged "stampede" on this basis, and it's therefore preferable for Wikipedia to steer clear of that by using neutral language which also recognizably describes the event.  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*::My understanding is the following: if there is a consensus among reliable sources as to the name of a particular event (as is the case for most newsworthy events), then we must use this name per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:NPOVNAME]]. If such a consensus cannot be found, and if we editors have to ''decide'' on a title, then we must apply [[WP:CRITERIA]] and [[WP:NDESC]]. {{small|It's funny that this discussion would come up right now, because I am working on a [[Draft:September 2019 events in the U.S. financial markets|draft]] where there is no consensus on how to name the event in question, so I had to come up with something myself.}}
*::Regardless, it looks like the correct work is actually stampede. From what I could gather looking at the Cambridge dictionary [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/crush][https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/stampede] and the [[Oxford English Dictionary]] [https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/45269?rskey=Ni4ExC&result=1#eid][https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/188928?rskey=OVGQfA&result=1#eid], it's "stampede" that applies when crowds are panicking, moving or fleeing, which was the case here. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 13:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:::You hit the nail on the head with your quote {{xt|"if there is a consensus among reliable sources as to the name of a particular event"}}. There clearly isn't though, because numerous sources are actively avoiding the term you favour. When sources are actively telling us this is a problematic term, it's simply wrong for us to be perpetuating it like this.  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 13:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:On the subject of ''only UK sources use the term "crush" — the rest of the world uses the term "stampede"'', six of the eight sources on the page that use 'stampede' (New York Times, Sky News, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Stars and Stripes, Associated Press) are American, so I'm thinking stampede is actually only "the correct word" in American English. And 'stampede' doesn't apply when a crowd is just moving, only when it is panicked or fleeing (see [https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/188928?rskey=xQwgr8&result=1&isAdvanced=false#eid OED, again]); which in fact ''wasn't'' the case here. [[User:Moonraker12|Moonraker12]] ([[User talk:Moonraker12|talk]]) 18:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Not necessarily arguing for ''crush'' over ''stampede'', but ''crush'' is not limited to UK sources. See [https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/world/israel-stampede-intl/index.html "Crush at religious festival in Israel's Mount Meron kills 45 people". CNN], [https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/after-meron-stampede-how-to-survive-a-crowd-crush-666889 "After Meron tragedy: How to survive a crowd crush". ''The Jerusalem Post''], [https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7233586/israel-seeks-to-identify-45-dead-in-crush/ "Israel seeks to identify 45 dead in crush". Australian Associated Press].—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
* '''Mention year''' because of the 1911 disaster when the railing break and people fell and died. Mentioning the year indicating that it somewhat a repeat disaster. [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 11:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:In 1911, people fell and died when a railing broke.[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-why-do-orthodox-jews-flock-to-the-mt-meron-tomb-of-rabbi-shimon-bar-yochai-1.9761175] It was neither a stampede nor crush.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 11:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:::Agreed - the only way that we'd need the year in the title is if we decide to use disaster in it rather than crush or stampede. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 12:04, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', keep stampede. "Meron stampede" has [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=%22Meron+stampede%22 40 000 Ghits] while "Meron crush" has [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Meron+crush%22&client=firefox-b-d&ei=LDuNYKu6L8avyAPzwI6oBA&oq=%22Meron+crush%22&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBggAEAgQHjoICAAQsAMQxAI6CAgAEAcQChAeOgYIABAHEB46CAgAEAgQBxAeOgoIABAHEAUQChAeOggIABAHEAUQHlD23gZYnOcGYO_zBmgCcAB4AIABwQKIAeEIkgEHMC40LjEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQPAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwirgMChsKjwAhXGF3IKHXOgA0UQ4dUDCA0&uact=5 3500 Ghits]. Clearly the more common name. [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 11:31, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*: The same search terms without quotation marks around them yield 19 million hits for {{tq|meron crush}} and 14 million hits for {{tq|meron stampede}}. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 11:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. "Stampede" just isn't accurate and there are enough journalists getting it right by calling it a crush that we should prefer the latter. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 11:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], stampede is more commonly used. — [[User:Berrely|'''''Berrely''''']] • [[User talk:Berrely|Talk]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|Contribs]] 12:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "crush" wording. I've stated reasons elsewhere in this Talk page, and the relevant points have been made by others in this discussion. Essentially: 1. both "stampede" and "crush" are used by sources, there's no unique accepted term; 2. what happened was clearly not uncontrolled running but squashing people slowly. Academic sources consider "stampede" wrong. [[User:Pol098|Pol098]] ([[User talk:Pol098|talk]]) 13:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': If 'crowd crush' fails WP:COMMONNAME, but 'stampede' is non-neutral (which I agree is the case) the answer per WP:TITLE is something neutral and descriptive, like 'incident', or 'tragedy', or 'disaster' (See [[List of human stampedes and crushes|other, similar articles]] for examples). Also, if we are going to make an exception for this article, when the sources used call it a stampede, we should take the same view across the board; one of the objections to the use of the term 'stampede' in these cases is that it is discriminatory (we object only when it happens to 'people like us'; compare, for example, [[:Category:Human stampedes in the United Kingdom]] with [[:Category:Human stampedes in Saudi Arabia]]). [[User:Moonraker12|Moonraker12]] ([[User talk:Moonraker12|talk]]) 14:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks for the link to those cats. Inside, many of those pages do not have the word stampede in them. I would support name changes on most of the articles which are also clearly not stampedes by definition. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 20:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''"Meron crowd crush"''', largely per [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]]. There's no clear winner between "stampede" and "(crowd) crush" COMMONNAME-wise, which means we can use our editorial discretion, and there are multiple good reasons to prefer the latter, both for academic accuracy and in light of the general bias toward using "stampede" for events that happen outside the West. Given that this is a) the only event of its kind in Meron and b) very notable: Disambiguation by year is unnecessary. That would only be necessary if there were actual ambiguity with another event, or if a very generic term like "incident" were being used. The 1911 event wasn't a stampede; there will probably be some people who mix it up with one, but that's what hatnotes are for—see, e.g. [[1993 World Trade Center bombing]]. -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (they/she) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]] 17:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "crush" wording. It is inaccurate to call it a stampede when the facts and video show that this was an overcrowding issue, not some mass rush on impulse or flight from some other reason. This specific event does not fall under any common use of the term stampede. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 20:15, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

== Condolences ==

I think it's good to have written which countries sent condolences. But I wonder how it is best to be written if it includes a lot of countries. Or is it just good to separate them by commas? [[User:Adam080|Adam080]] ([[User talk:Adam080|talk]]) 18:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:A minor rant here. Nothing personal toward you: I'm aware that these sections are widespread, but after years of encountering them, I still don't really understand their purpose. It's pretty much a given that after a mass casualty, many countries will send condolences, in a manner that's essentially just a function of how close they are geopolitically. Occasionally you get a notable departure from this like Israel offering aid to Lebanon after the [[2020 Beirut explosion]] despite being in a state of war, or, in the other direction, if a country pointedly ''didn't'' send condolences when you'd expect them to... But the rest of the time, I really don't see how it adds information to the article [[WP:INDISCRIMINATE|that is likely to be useful to our readers]]. -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (she/they) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]] 18:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::I agree in some point, maybe it would be too much to put all of them. [[User:Adam080|Adam080]] ([[User talk:Adam080|talk]]) 19:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Talk:2021 Meron crowd crush

2021-05-01T20:15:52Z

Shuki: /* Requested move 1 May 2021 */ Support "crush" wording.

{{Talk header}}
{{ITN talk|date=30 April 2021|oldid = 1020720010}}
{{WikiProject banner shell|collapsed=yes|1=
{{WikiProject Current events |class=C}}
{{WikiProject Death |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Disaster management |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Israel |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Jewish history |class=C |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Judaism |class=C |importance=Low}}
}}
{{User:MiszaBot/config
|algo = old(3d)
|archive = Talk:2021 Meron stampede/Archive %(counter)d
|counter = 1
|maxarchivesize = 70K
|archiveheader = {{tan}}
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|minthreadsleft = 3
}}
{{auto archiving notice
|bot = lowercase sigmabot III
|age =3
}}

== Hebrew article link ==

The English and Russian stubs need to be linked to the Hebrew article: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%9F_%D7%91%D7%94%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%AA_%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%99_%D7%A9%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%9F_%D7%91%D7%A8_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%90%D7%99_(2021). Item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q106651383 needs to be merged with the Hebrew article item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q106651376. [[User:Ethanbas|Ethanbas]] ([[User_talk:Ethanbas|talk]]) 02:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== Reactions ==

@{{u|Abductive}} - I noticed you removed the reactions from US and EU officials as you wrote it's "boilerplate". How is it more boilerplate than Netanyahu's? Would you prefer if it was summarized? (I had looked at this page which I had come across in the past: [[Reactions to the 2008 Mumbai_attacks#International_reactions]]) | [[User:Mk17b|MK17b]] | ([[User talk:Mk17b|talk]]) 04:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Those predictable responses can best be summarised as "the leaders of Foobar, Goobar and Hoobar expressed sympathy and condolences" with appropriate cites and minus the flags. [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 05:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
::Well, I was thinking of removing that too, but probably the section will fill in with the investigation and other aspects of the aftermath. [[User:Abductive|'''Abductive''']] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]]) 06:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:I agree with you {{u|Mk17b}}, this is an important, [[WP:DUE]] chunk that is missing from the article. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 11:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== Earlier warnings and Kupershtok no longer the organiser ==

The passage was already reported in 2018 as dangerous [https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-israel/2021_q2/Article-8e8c1d949212971027.htm?sCh=3d385dd2dd5d4110&pId=1898243326], and in 2021 it was the first year in over a decade that the regular event orgenizer Rebbe. Z. Kupershtok(בן ציון קופרשטוק) which was commenly known as the Father Of Meron [http://kore.co.il/viewArticle/62273] was not at the site. In previous years Mr. Kupershtok was in charge of preventing disasters and planning safety meassures but he had died due to coivd19 in 2020. Shouldn't that be in the background ? ''— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:37.19.127.140|37.19.127.140]] ([[User talk:37.19.127.140#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/37.19.127.140|contribs]]) 06:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)''

==Correct coord==
I don't know if the coordinates are correct because the article in the hebrew language says that there are others (near the city of Meron) - [[User:Eugen Simion 14|'''Eugεn''']][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|'''S¡m¡on''']] 07:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:The site of the gathering is [[Mount Meron]], not the city of [[Meron, Israel]]. ''-- [[User:Deborahjay|Deborahjay]] ([[User talk:Deborahjay|talk]])'' 07:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Look at the Google Maps incident alert - [https://www.google.com/maps/@32.9892102,35.4102829,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m3!15m2!1m1!1s%2Fg%2F11ng74g76z?hl=ro-RO] - [[User:Eugen Simion 14|'''Eugεn''']][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|'''S¡m¡on''']] 08:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
::I fixed it. The incident occured in the stairway of the Tomb of Rabbi Simeon Bar Yochai. [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 14:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== 1911 disaster ==

I think it is worth mentioning that there was a disaster 110 years ago in the same place on Lag BaOmer {{tq|This is not the first time that tragedy marred the celebrations in Meron—in 1911, a roof collapsed on revelers and nine people died, ranging from an eight-year-old to a 65 year-old}} https://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/5117886/jewish/Scores-Crushed-to-Death-at-Packed-Lag-BaOmer-Event-in-Meron-Israel.htm [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 08:09, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Not only same place, but more significantly: same event, same population of celebrants. This content appears in the lead paragraph of the [[Mount Meron]] page and could certainly be added here. ''-- [[User:Deborahjay|Deborahjay]] ([[User talk:Deborahjay|talk]])'' 08:13, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{done}} I've added information on the 1911 disaster to the background section. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 08:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

*The following sentence fragment "a crowd of about 10,000 filled the compound and a surrounding a nearly overlook collapsed" is incomprehensible. Please fix. [[Special:Contributions/73.81.122.188|73.81.122.188]] ([[User talk:73.81.122.188|talk]]) 14:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

== Requested move 1 May 2021 ==

{{requested move/dated|2021 Meron crowd crush}}

[[:2021 Meron stampede]] → {{no redirect|2021 Meron crowd crush}} – There has already been a lot of debate about this above, but in summary my opinion is that the use of "stampede" is an extremely loaded term and should be avoided. Contrary to what's written above this is not original research, as reliable sources such as [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/03/hajj-crush-how-crowd-disasters-happen-and-how-they-can-be-avoided] (which is used in our own [[crowd crush]] article) say the term is rejected by academics. {{xt|On the extremely rare occasions that a real stampede happens – that is, people running over you – it is unlikely to be fatal. “If you look at the analysis, I’ve not seen any instances of the cause of mass fatalities being a stampede,” says Keith Still, professor of crowd science at Manchester Metropolitan University. “People don’t die because they panic. They panic because they are dying.”}}. Obviously I'm aware that many sources are indeed calling it a stampede, but it's more ubiquitously called a "crush" - most sources saying "stampede" also seem to say "crush", while plenty of sources such as [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56943755 the BBC] avoid the use of the loaded "stampede" altogether. Finally, regarding the year I am less concerned about that, and I would also support [[Meron crowd crush]] as a second choice, but in general I favour inclusion of years for [[WP:RECOGNIZE]] reasons and as per similar unambiguous examples like [[2016 Munich shooting]] and [[2021 Hualien train derailment]].  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

:Whilst "crowd crush" is technically accurate, "stampede" or "disaster" is the Wikipedian vernacular. The main article is Crowd crush; the subsection list is "Examples of stampedes and crushes"; none of the incidents listed (except for this one) is a denoted as a crush. That said, I await the translation of the Hebrew. [[User:Kencf0618|kencf0618]] ([[User talk:Kencf0618|talk]]) 10:23, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' The page has gone through multiple titles whose combinations have included:
*:Year: Include 2021 or not
*:Location: Israel, Mount Meron, or Meron
*:Incident type: Stampede or crush—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*::Also worth noting that the original title was [[2021 Israel stampede]]. There hadn't been as much debate on the locality question, which is why I restored it to "Meron" again this morning rather than to "Israel".  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Move to Meron crowd crush'''.
:a) The year isn't needed, because it's a major, well-known event; the only one of its type at this location. The 1911 disaster there wasn't a crowd crush or a stampede.
:b) The location - rather than merely the country - should be in the title. It took place in Meron, not on Mount Meron.
:c) It was a crowd crush rather than a stampede, despite many media sources using the latter term. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 10:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Keep "stampede" in title'''. According to [[WP:COMMONNAME]], {{tq|Wikipedia [...] generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). [...] In determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets [...].}} Looking at the front pages of the world, only UK sources use the term "crush" — the rest of the world uses the term "stampede". "Stampede" is used by the New York Times [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/world/middleeast/israel-stampede.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage], The Washington Post [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/29/israel-stampede-mount-meron/], the Wall Street Journal [https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-stampede-turned-hopes-for-post-pandemic-normalcy-to-despair-11619800685?mod=hp_listb_pos1], AlJazeera [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/30/dozens-of-dead-in-israel-pilgrimage-stampede-rescue-services], Reuters [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hurt-disastrous-crush-israeli-bonfire-festival-2021-04-29/] and the Jerusalem Post [https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/lag-baomer-these-are-the-victims-of-mount-meron-666833]. "Crush" is used by The Guardian [https://www.theguardian.com/international], the BBC [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56943755] and the Times [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/crush-kills-45-worshippers-in-israels-worst-peace-time-disaster-gjh2q0l2p]. There is, in other words, a clear tendency in reliable sources of using the term "stampede" over the term "crush". In any case, since Israel is not part of the UK, there is no reason to favour UK terminology. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 10:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:This argument completely fails to address the neutrality issue. At the end of the day, this is a *descriptive* title. There's no official name for this incident, which means that we use the title to describe the event in a way that is recognizable. As such, we follow [[WP:NDESC]], which warns us to "{{xt|"avoid judgmental and non-neutral words"}}. I've explained above that reliable sources have flagged "stampede" on this basis, and it's therefore preferable for Wikipedia to steer clear of that by using neutral language which also recognizably describes the event.  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*::My understanding is the following: if there is a consensus among reliable sources as to the name of a particular event (as is the case for most newsworthy events), then we must use this name per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:NPOVNAME]]. If such a consensus cannot be found, and if we editors have to ''decide'' on a title, then we must apply [[WP:CRITERIA]] and [[WP:NDESC]]. {{small|It's funny that this discussion would come up right now, because I am working on a [[Draft:September 2019 events in the U.S. financial markets|draft]] where there is no consensus on how to name the event in question, so I had to come up with something myself.}}
*::Regardless, it looks like the correct work is actually stampede. From what I could gather looking at the Cambridge dictionary [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/crush][https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/stampede] and the [[Oxford English Dictionary]] [https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/45269?rskey=Ni4ExC&result=1#eid][https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/188928?rskey=OVGQfA&result=1#eid], it's "stampede" that applies when crowds are panicking, moving or fleeing, which was the case here. [[User:JBchrch|JBchrch]] ([[User talk:JBchrch|talk]]) 13:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:::You hit the nail on the head with your quote {{xt|"if there is a consensus among reliable sources as to the name of a particular event"}}. There clearly isn't though, because numerous sources are actively avoiding the term you favour. When sources are actively telling us this is a problematic term, it's simply wrong for us to be perpetuating it like this.  — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 13:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:On the subject of ''only UK sources use the term "crush" — the rest of the world uses the term "stampede"'', six of the eight sources on the page that use 'stampede' (New York Times, Sky News, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Stars and Stripes, Associated Press) are American, so I'm thinking stampede is actually only "the correct word" in American English. And 'stampede' doesn't apply when a crowd is just moving, only when it is panicked or fleeing (see [https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/188928?rskey=xQwgr8&result=1&isAdvanced=false#eid OED, again]); which in fact ''wasn't'' the case here. [[User:Moonraker12|Moonraker12]] ([[User talk:Moonraker12|talk]]) 18:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Not necessarily arguing for ''crush'' over ''stampede'', but ''crush'' is not limited to UK sources. See [https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/world/israel-stampede-intl/index.html "Crush at religious festival in Israel's Mount Meron kills 45 people". CNN], [https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/after-meron-stampede-how-to-survive-a-crowd-crush-666889 "After Meron tragedy: How to survive a crowd crush". ''The Jerusalem Post''], [https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7233586/israel-seeks-to-identify-45-dead-in-crush/ "Israel seeks to identify 45 dead in crush". Australian Associated Press].—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
* '''Mention year''' because of the 1911 disaster when the railing break and people fell and died. Mentioning the year indicating that it somewhat a repeat disaster. [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]]) 11:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*:In 1911, people fell and died when a railing broke.[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-why-do-orthodox-jews-flock-to-the-mt-meron-tomb-of-rabbi-shimon-bar-yochai-1.9761175] It was neither a stampede nor crush.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 11:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:::Agreed - the only way that we'd need the year in the title is if we decide to use disaster in it rather than crush or stampede. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 12:04, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', keep stampede. "Meron stampede" has [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=%22Meron+stampede%22 40 000 Ghits] while "Meron crush" has [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Meron+crush%22&client=firefox-b-d&ei=LDuNYKu6L8avyAPzwI6oBA&oq=%22Meron+crush%22&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBggAEAgQHjoICAAQsAMQxAI6CAgAEAcQChAeOgYIABAHEB46CAgAEAgQBxAeOgoIABAHEAUQChAeOggIABAHEAUQHlD23gZYnOcGYO_zBmgCcAB4AIABwQKIAeEIkgEHMC40LjEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQPAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwirgMChsKjwAhXGF3IKHXOgA0UQ4dUDCA0&uact=5 3500 Ghits]. Clearly the more common name. [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 11:31, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*: The same search terms without quotation marks around them yield 19 million hits for {{tq|meron crush}} and 14 million hits for {{tq|meron stampede}}. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 11:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. "Stampede" just isn't accurate and there are enough journalists getting it right by calling it a crush that we should prefer the latter. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 11:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], stampede is more commonly used. — [[User:Berrely|'''''Berrely''''']] • [[User talk:Berrely|Talk]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|Contribs]] 12:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "crush" wording. I've stated reasons elsewhere in this Talk page, and the relevant points have been made by others in this discussion. Essentially: 1. both "stampede" and "crush" are used by sources, there's no unique accepted term; 2. what happened was clearly not uncontrolled running but squashing people slowly. Academic sources consider "stampede" wrong. [[User:Pol098|Pol098]] ([[User talk:Pol098|talk]]) 13:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': If 'crowd crush' fails WP:COMMONNAME, but 'stampede' is non-neutral (which I agree is the case) the answer per WP:TITLE is something neutral and descriptive, like 'incident', or 'tragedy', or 'disaster' (See [[List of human stampedes and crushes|other, similar articles]] for examples). Also, if we are going to make an exception for this article, when the sources used call it a stampede, we should take the same view across the board; one of the objections to the use of the term 'stampede' in these cases is that it is discriminatory (we object only when it happens to 'people like us'; compare, for example, [[:Category:Human stampedes in the United Kingdom]] with [[:Category:Human stampedes in Saudi Arabia]]). [[User:Moonraker12|Moonraker12]] ([[User talk:Moonraker12|talk]]) 14:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''"Meron crowd crush"''', largely per [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]]. There's no clear winner between "stampede" and "(crowd) crush" COMMONNAME-wise, which means we can use our editorial discretion, and there are multiple good reasons to prefer the latter, both for academic accuracy and in light of the general bias toward using "stampede" for events that happen outside the West. Given that this is a) the only event of its kind in Meron and b) very notable: Disambiguation by year is unnecessary. That would only be necessary if there were actual ambiguity with another event, or if a very generic term like "incident" were being used. The 1911 event wasn't a stampede; there will probably be some people who mix it up with one, but that's what hatnotes are for—see, e.g. [[1993 World Trade Center bombing]]. -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (they/she) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]] 17:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "crush" wording. It is inaccurate to call it a stampede when the facts and video show that this was an overcrowding issue, not some mass rush on impulse or flight from some other reason. This specific event does not fall under any common use of the term stampede. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 20:15, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

== Condolences ==

I think it's good to have written which countries sent condolences. But I wonder how it is best to be written if it includes a lot of countries. Or is it just good to separate them by commas? [[User:Adam080|Adam080]] ([[User talk:Adam080|talk]]) 18:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:A minor rant here. Nothing personal toward you: I'm aware that these sections are widespread, but after years of encountering them, I still don't really understand their purpose. It's pretty much a given that after a mass casualty, many countries will send condolences, in a manner that's essentially just a function of how close they are geopolitically. Occasionally you get a notable departure from this like Israel offering aid to Lebanon after the [[2020 Beirut explosion]] despite being in a state of war, or, in the other direction, if a country pointedly ''didn't'' send condolences when you'd expect them to... But the rest of the time, I really don't see how it adds information to the article [[WP:INDISCRIMINATE|that is likely to be useful to our readers]]. -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (she/they) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]] 18:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
::I agree in some point, maybe it would be too much to put all of them. [[User:Adam080|Adam080]] ([[User talk:Adam080|talk]]) 19:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

List of aircraft of the Israeli Air Force

2021-04-04T21:44:52Z

Shuki: /* Fixed wing auxiliary */ +G5 / G550

{{short description|Wikimedia list article}}
[[File:Dargot 260612.jpg|thumb|Israeli Air Force [[UH-60 Blackhawk]] and [[AH-1 Cobra]]]]
'''List of aircraft of the [[Israeli Air Force]]:'''

==Fixed wing combat types==

{| class="wikitable sortable"
!width="370"| Designation !!width="100"| Entered Service !!width="100"| Left Service !!width="370"| Hebrew designation
|-
|{{flagicon|CSK}} [[Avia S-199]] ||1948||1950|| Sakin (Knife) סכין
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress]] ||1948||1958||
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[Bristol Beaufighter]] ||1948||1948 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|CAN}} [[Canadair Sabre]]||n/a<ref name="norton">Deal signed but canceled in the fallout from the 1956 [[Suez Crisis]]. {{cite book|last =Norton|first=Bill|title=Air War on the Edge - A History of the Israel Air Force and its Aircraft since 1947|publisher=[[Ian Allan Publishing|Midland Publishing]]|year=2004|page=372|isbn=1857800885}}</ref>||n/a<ref name="norton" />||Order signed but cancelled.
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Dassault Mirage III]]C ||1962||1986|| Shahak (Sky) שחק
|-
| {{FRA}} [[Dassault Mirage V]] ||n/a||n/a||7 ordered 1966, not delivered
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Dassault Mystère IV]] ||1955||1971||
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Dassault Ouragan]] ||1955||1971||
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Dassault Super Mystère]] B2||1958||1976||Sambad (Hebrew acronym of "Super Mystère B Deux") סמב"ד
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[de Havilland Mosquito]] ||1948||1958||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Douglas A-4 Skyhawk]]||1968||2015|| Ayit (Eagle) עיט
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon|General Dynamics F-16A/B]] ||1980||2016|| Netz (Hawk) נץ
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon|General Dynamics F-16C/D]] ||1987|| - || Barak (Lightning) ברק
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[Gloster Meteor]] ||1953||1970||
|-
|{{flagicon|ISR}} [[IAI Kfir]]||1975||1996 || Kfir (Lion Cub) כפיר
|-
|{{flagicon|ISR}} [[IAI Nesher]]||1971||1986|| Nesher (Vulture) נשר
|-
|{{flagicon|ISR}} [[IAI Lavi]]||1986||1987|| Lavi (young lion) לביא
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon|Lockheed Martin F-16I]] ||2004|| - || Sufa (Storm) סופה
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II|Lockheed Martin F-35I]] ||2016|| - || Adir (Mighty) אדיר
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle|McDonnell Douglas F-15A/B/C/D]]||1976|| - || Baz (Falcon) בז
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle|McDonnell Douglas F-15I]]||1998|| - || Ra'am (Thunder) רעם
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II]]||1969||2004|| Kurnass (Sledgehammer) קורנס
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[North American P-51 Mustang]]||1948||1961||
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Sud Aviation Vautour|Sud Aviation S.O. 4050 Vautour]]||1957||1971||
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[Supermarine Spitfire]]||1948||1956|| Yorek ירק (spit)<ref>[http://www.spitfirepv270.co.nz/history.htm History of Vickers Supermarine Spitfire Mk IXc PV270]</ref>
|-
|}

==Fixed wing auxiliary==

{| class="wikitable sortable"
!width="370"| Designation !!width="100"| Year !!width="100"| Year !!width="370"| Hebrew designation
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[Auster Autocrat|Auster J/1 Autocrat]]||1947||1950|| Primus פרימוס
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Beechcraft Queen Air]] B-80||1974||2003|| Zamir (Nightingale) זמיר
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Beechcraft Bonanza]] ||1948|| ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Beechcraft C-45 Expeditor]]||1960|| ? ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Beechcraft Super King Air]]||1974|| - || Cuckia/Tzufit (Cuckoo/Sunbird) קוקיה/צופית
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Boeing 377 Stratocruiser]]/[[Boeing C-97 Stratofreighter|C-97]] ||1963||1977|| Anak (Giant) ענק
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Boeing 707]] ||1972|| - || Re'em (Oryx) ראם
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[Britten-Norman Islander]] ||1973||1982||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Cessna 172]]||1967||1991||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Cessna 180]]/[[Cessna 182|182]]/[[Cessna 185|185]] ||1977||1994||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Cessna 206|Cessna U206 Super Skywagon]]||1968||1998||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Consolidated PBY Catalina]]||1952||1961||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Curtiss C-46 Commando]] ||1948||1971||
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[de Havilland Tiger Moth]]||1947||1949||
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[de Havilland Dragon Rapide]] DH.89||1947||1949||
|-
|{{flagicon|GER}} [[Dornier Do 27]] ||1964||1994|| Dror (Sparrow) דרור
|-
|{{flagicon|GER}} [[Dornier Do 28]] ||1971||2001|| Agur (Crane) עגור
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Douglas C-47 Skytrain|Douglas DC-3/C-47 Dakota]] ||1948||2000||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Douglas DC-4]]/[[Douglas C-54 Skymaster|C-54 Skymaster]]||1948||1949||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Douglas DC-5]] ||1948||1955||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Fairchild Argus]] ||1948|| ? ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Grumman E-2 Hawkeye]] ||1978||2002|| Daya (Kite bird) דיה
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Grumman G-44 Widgeon]]||1948|| ? ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Grumman OV-1 Mohawk]]||1974||1978|| Atalef (Bat) עטלף
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Gulfstream V]] / [[Gulfstream G550]]||2005|| || Nachshon, Shavit, Eitam, Oron
|-
|{{flagicon|ISR}} [[IAI Arava]]||1973||2004|| Arava (Prairie) ערבה
|-
|{{flagicon|ISR}} [[IAI Westwind|IAI Westwind/Seascan]]||1973|| || Shahaf (Seagull) שחף
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Lockheed Constellation]]||1948||1949||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Lockheed C-130 Hercules]]||1971|| - || Karnaf (Rhinoceros) קרנף
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules]]||2014|| - || Shimshon (Samson) שמשון
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Lockheed Hudson]]||1948||1950||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Lockheed Lodestar]]||1948||1949||
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[Miles Aerovan|Miles M.57 Aerovan]]||1948||1955||
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[Miles Gemini]]||1948||1950||
|-
|{{flagicon|CAN}} [[Noorduyn Norseman|Noorduyn UC-64A Norseman]]||1948||1949||
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Nord Norécrin|Nord 1203 Norécrin II]]||1967|| ? ||
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Nord Noratlas|Nord 2501 Noratlas]]||1955||1976||
|-
|{{flagicon|ITA}} [[Piaggio P.149]]||1968||1972||
|-
|{{flagicon|SUI}} [[Pilatus PC-6|Pilatus Turbo Porter]]||1963||1976||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Republic RC-3 Seabee]]||1947||1948||
|-
|{{flagicon|POL}} [[RWD-13]]||1947||1949||
|-
|{{flagicon|POL}} [[RWD-15]]||1947||1949||
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[SOCATA Rallye]]||1965||1969||
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[SOCATA Trinidad]]||1995|| 2005 || Pashosh (Warbler) פשוש
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Taylorcraft Auster|Taylorcraft Auster AOP]] 3/5||1947||1949||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Taylorcraft Auster|Taylorcraft Plus C]]||1947|| ? ||
|}

==Fixed wing trainers==

{| class="wikitable sortable"
!width="370"| Designation !!width="100"| Year !!width="100"| Year !!width="370"| Hebrew designation
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[Airspeed Oxford]]/[[Airspeed Consul|Consul]] || 1949 || 1961 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|ITA}} [[Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master]] || 2014 || - || Lavi (young lion) לביא
|-
|{{flagicon|UK}} [[Avro Anson]] || 1949 || 1961 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Boeing-Stearman Model 75|Boeing-Stearman PT-17 Kaydet]] || 1948 || 1967 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|CAN}} [[de Havilland Canada DHC-1 Chipmunk|de Havilland Canada Chipmunk]] || 1949 || 1950 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|NED}} [[Fokker S-11|Fokker Instructor]] || 1949 || 1954 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Fouga Magister]] || 1960 || 2010 || Tzukit (Monticola) צוקית
|-
|{{flagicon|GER}} [[Grob G 120]] || 2002|| - || Snunit (Swallow) סנונית
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Beechcraft T-6 Texan II|Hawker-Beechcraft T-6 Texan II]] || 2009 || - || Efroni (Lark) עפרוני
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[North American T-6 Texan]] || 1948 || 1974 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Piper Super Cub]] || 1948 || 2002 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Temco T-35 Buckaroo|Temco Buckaroo]] || 1949 || 1952 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Vultee BT-13 Valiant]] || 1948 || 1949 ||
|}

==Rotary Wing - Helicopters==

{| class="wikitable sortable"
!width="370"| Designation !!width="100"| Year !!width="100"| Year !!width="370"| Hebrew designation
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Aérospatiale Alouette II]] || 1957 || 1975 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Aérospatiale SA 321 Super Frelon]] || 1967 || 1996 || Tzir'a (Hornet) צרעה
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Eurocopter HH-65 Dolphin]] || 1985 || 1997 || Dolphin דולפין
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Eurocopter Panther]] || 1996 || - ||Atalef (Bat) עטלף
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Bell UH-1 Iroquois]] || 1967 || 2002 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Bell 206]] || 1978 || - || Saifan (Gladiolus) סייפן
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Bell 212]] || 1978 || ? || Anafa (Heron) אנפה
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Bell AH-1 Cobra]] || 1975 || 2013 || Tzefa (Viper) צפע
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Bell 47]] || 1965 || 1974 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Hiller 360]] || 1951 || 1961 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Hughes 500]] || 1979 || 2001 || Lahatut (Trick) להטוט
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Boeing AH-64 Apache|McDonnell Douglas AH-64A Apache]] || 1990 || - || Peten (Adder) פתן
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Boeing AH-64 Apache#AH-64D|McDonnell Douglas AH-64D Apache Longbow]] || 2004 || - || Saraph (Seraph) שרף
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Sikorsky S-55]] || 1957 || 1966 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Sikorsky S-58]] || 1958 || 1975 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Sikorsky CH-53 Sea Stallion|Sikorsky CH-53]] || 1969 || - || Yas'ur (Petrel) יסעור
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk]] || 1994 || - || Yanshuf (Owl) ינשוף
|-
|}

==Unmanned aerial vehicles==

{| class="wikitable sortable"
!width="370"| Designation !!width="100"| Year !!width="100"| Year !!width="370"| Hebrew designation
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Ryan Firebee|Ryan BQM-34A Firebee]] || || || Mabat (Gaze) מבט
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Ryan Firebee|Ryan BQM-34E/F Firebee II]] || || || Shadmit ([[Pratincole]]) שדמית
|-
|{{flagicon|USA}} [[Northrop BQM-74 Chukar|Northrop Chukar]] || || || Telem (Furrow) תלם
|-
|{{flagicon|ISR}} [[Tadiran Mastiff]] || 1979 || 1992 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|ISR}} [[IAI Scout]] || 1979 || 1992 ||
|-
|{{flagicon|ISR}} [[IAI Searcher]] 1 || 1992 || ? ||
|-
|{{flagicon|ISR}} [[IAI Searcher]] 2 || 1998 || ? ||
|}

==Captured / defected aircraft==
{| class="wikitable sortable"
!width="370"| Designation !!width="100"| Year !!width="370"| Country
|-
|{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Aérospatiale Gazelle]] ||1982|| {{SYR}}
|-
| {{flagicon|UK}} [[Supermarine Spitfire]] || 1948 || {{flag|Egypt|1922}}
|-
| {{flagicon|UK}} [[de Havilland Dragon Rapide]] || 1952? ||{{JOR}}
|-
| {{flagicon|USA}} [[Fairchild Argus]] ||1948 || {{flag|Egypt|1922}}
|-
| {{flagicon|USSR}} [[Sukhoi Su-7]] || 1969?|| {{flag|Egypt|1958}}
|-
|{{flagicon|CZE}} [[Bücker Bü 181|Heliopolis Gomhouria]] ||1967|| {{flag|Egypt|1958}}
|-
|{{flagicon|USSR}} [[Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15]] ||1956|| {{flag|Egypt|1952}}
|-
|{{flagicon|USSR}} [[Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-17]] ||1968|| {{flag|Syria|1963}}
|-
|{{flagicon|USSR}} [[Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21]] ||1966|| {{flag|Iraq|1963}}
|-
|{{flagicon|USSR}} [[Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23]] ||1989|| {{SYR}}
|-
|{{flagicon|USSR}} [[Mil Mi-8]] ||1973|| {{flag|Egypt|1972}}
|-
|{{flagicon|USSR}} [[Yakovlev Yak-11]] ||1964|| {{flag|Egypt|1958}}
|}

== References ==
{{Reflist}}

==Bibliography==
* Wisker Thomas J. "Talkback". ''Air Enthusiast'', No. 10, July–September 1979, p. 79. {{ISSN|0143-5450}}

{{Israeli Air Force}}
{{lists of aircraft|military}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Aircraft Of The Israeli Air Force}}
[[Category:Israeli Air Force]]
[[Category:Israeli military-related lists]]
[[Category:Lists of military aircraft|Israeli Air Force Aircraft]]
[[Category:Israeli military aircraft|*]]

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement

2020-06-22T21:55:32Z

Shuki: /* Statement by Shuki */ reply to admins

<noinclude>{{pp-move-indef}}
{{Redirect|WP:AE|the guideline regarding the letters æ or ae|MOS:LIGATURE|the automated editing program|WP:AutoEd}}
__NEWSECTIONLINK__</noinclude><includeonly>={{anchor|toptoc}}[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement|Requests for enforcement]]=</includeonly>
<noinclude>{{editabuselinks|style=width:100%; border:2px ridge #CAE1FF; margin:2px 0;|groupstyle=background-color:#CAE1FF;}}</noinclude>{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader = {{Arbitration enforcement/Archive navbox}}|maxarchivesize = 200K
|counter = 267
|minthreadsleft = 0
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo = old(7d)
|archive = Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive%(counter)d
}}{{Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Header}}

==Azuredivay==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Azuredivay===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Vanamonde93}} 04:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Azuredivay}}{{ds/log|Azuredivay}}

;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard discretionary sanctions]] :

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&type=revision&diff=960812809&oldid=953812520 4 June 2020] very many things wrong with this diff. Adds 13kb (!) of content without an edit summary, and with no explanation on the talk page. Includes content about "separatist campaign", much of which the sources do not directly connect to Pakistani nationalism. This is particularly true about the sentences discussing [[Direct Action Day]]. <s>The same edit adds a ''long'' quotation about Pakistan from [[M. S. Golwalkar]], a leader of the Hindu nationalist [[Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh]]. Golwalkar isn't a historian or political scientist, and his views constitute egregious [[WP:DUE|undue weight]].</s> In short, edit violates [[WP:NPOV]], [[WP:NOR]], and basic behavioral norms. EDITED: Azuredivay has pointed out that the quote already existed, for which I apologize; the software highlights it when I view that diff the same way new content is highlighted. That doesn't address the rest of the problems with that diff, though.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=960990711 4 June 2020] same article as above; removes tags without explanation; adds content without a source.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munshi_Raziuddin&diff=prev&oldid=958338162 23 May 2020] changes "Pakistani Qawwal" to "Indian Qawwal" without a source and without an edit summary.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn#Notice 4 June 2020] Accuses another user of "revisionism"; refuses to explain himself further.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HAL_Tejas&diff=prev&oldid=956578547 14 May 2020]; adds redundant links to an article; after they are [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HAL_Tejas&type=revision&diff=956588025&oldid=956578547 removed], Azuredivay was warned, to which he responded [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=prev&oldid=956613830 quite dismissively].
#Similarly, after edit-warring over the primary name of the article at [[Adam's Bridge]] (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adam%27s_Bridge&type=revision&diff=950786796&oldid=950786588 this], and the previous revisions), responds [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=prev&oldid=950785671 in this manner] to a warning on his talk page.

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any : No previous sanctions.

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
*Given an alert about discretionary sanctions by {{U|Newslinger}} on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&oldid=945637253 15 March 2020].

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint : I find it quite strange that Azuredivay's command of English is far superior in the first two diffs linked above, than it is in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Breast_Tax&diff=prev&oldid=959302687 discussions]. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 04:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC) Addendum; two additional concerning incidents were brought to my attention via email by an editor who did not wish to get involved at AE; they further substantiate the communication issues I highlighted above. {{ping|El C}} Would you mind taking a look at this? It's possible that all that's necessary is for someone uninvolved to tell Azuredivay to communicate appropriately, but this is languishing without attention. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 01:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Azuredivay#AE notified].

===Discussion concerning Azuredivay===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Azuredivay====
Diff #1 has been misrepresented. Golwalkar's quote had been added by Arslan-San[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&diff=891519179&oldid=891392260] not me. I just combined it with the previous para and you are free to remove it if you want. The same editor also added a large amount regarding how "Sindh" was different from the rest of India, which is not true. All of the citations I added to article are reliable and were taken from other places of Wikipedia like [[Direct Action Day]] article itself. What I added actually traces the origins of Pakistani nationalism, as Muslim nationalism that began in British India among the elite class of Muslims of UP and Bihar. The content also cited the Lahore Resolution that called for a separate state in subcontinent for Indian Muslims. Mentioning Direct Action Day is obviously important because it is after that event that communal riots spread to other parts of the subcontinent resulting in partition and the realization of the Pakistani state.

Diff #2: Per [[WP:ES]], I provided edit summary where it was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=960814547 needed]. For the rest it is very obvious that I am only adding the content.

Diff #3: Vanamonde93 has apparently ignored [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munshi_Raziuddin&diff=prev&oldid=958338162 in this edit] that I removed puffery, unsourced and unreliably sourced content. There was no [[Pakistan]] before 1947 so how a person who was born in 1911 could be called "Pakistani"? I planned to resolve this content dispute on talk page for later.

Diff #4 has been also misrepresented because [[WP:KEEPCONCISE|I engaged as much as it was needed]] and I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Goldsztajn&diff=960855917&oldid=960836612 cited a discussion] (see [[Talk:Channar_revolt#Scholarly sources for tax?]]) which mentioned the word "revisionism" three times and concluded that those views were revisionist in nature. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 06:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Diff #5 happened nearly a month ago and has been poorly interpreted here since my final position on the matter was opposite as I had already modified my response and acknowledged the message appropriately.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=956695488&oldid=956613830#May_2020]

Diff #6 happened 2 months ago and at that time I wasn't aware of [[MOS:TITLE]] but [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=prev&oldid=950786819 after this] I took time to read it and never added a non-title as main name. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 02:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|RexxS}} Where did you observed that there have been "{{tq|no acknowledgement}}"? I don't appear to be indicating that I am going to repeat any problems raised here, in fact I told how I have resolved them. You seem wrong with your claim that a DS alert is made to "avert editing problems by putting editors on their best behaviour", because occasional mistakes are possible especially when an editor is making 100s of edits though they should not be repetitive. Finally, none of the diffs provided here rises to the level of any sanction. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 00:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|RexxS}} I am absolutely within my rights to point out the misrepresentation of the diffs, one of which has been already acknowledged by Vanamonde93 above per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=961277646&oldid=961211830 here]. I was not aware of that page which you have linked, but then I would still like to know if there is even a single edit which shows that I am not putting "best behaviour" in the diffs coming within a week when this report was filed because the top [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Header|note of this page]] alone notes that "''Requests reporting diffs older than one week may be declined as stale''". Are there any diffs coming after this report where I am not putting "best behaviour"? I have acknowledged that I should provide more edit summaries as it reflects also in my recent edits, but I still think that a simple notice "provide more edit summaries" would have worked instead of filing this report. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 01:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (other involved editor)====


===Result concerning Azuredivay===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*Since I was pinged (but somehow didn't get an alert for it — sorry), I would agree with {{u|Vanamonde93 }} that improvement is necessary. If Azuredivay were to take these concerns on board, that would spare them from suffering any sanctions. In that case, a warning to do better would be recommended. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 10:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
* The whole point of discretionary sanctions is to avert editing problems by putting editors on their best behaviour. Once Azuredivay had the alert in March, they should have been scrupulous in avoiding controversial edits. As there seems to be no acknowledgement that they've fallen short of the requirements, I suggest a topic-ban from the India-Pakistan area until they can show they understand how they need to be editing. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 21:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
** {{re|Azuredivay}} I find all of those five edits problematic, not "careful and constructive", and all I see from you is a defence of making them. You've resolved no concerns that {{u|Vanamonde93}} raised. You need to read accurately what other editors have written because it's the point of '''discretionary sanctions''' that I'm drawing to your attention, not the point of the alert. If you haven't bothered yet, please read [[WP:AC/DS #guide.expect]], and consider all of it carefully before you tell me I'm wrong again. Finally, I'll point out that the uninvolved admins here decide if your behaviour rises the level of a sanction, not you. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 00:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
***I would want to see a precise reason for a sanction. For example, the edits at [[Pakistani nationalism]] have not been challenged—they have not been reverted or modified, and the last edit at [[Talk:Pakistani nationalism]] was in July 2013! The two edits at [[Adam's Bridge]] were misguided but that was a month ago without a further problem that I can see. Azuredivay should be aware that this topic ''requires'' collaboration and massive edits may not be appropriate, and are definitely not appropriate when not even an edit summary is offered. Further, it is necessary to engage with other editors even if convinced they are wrong. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

==Zarcademan123456==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''
{{hat
| status =
| result = {{u|Zarcademan123456}} is topic banned for 3 months from ARBPIA topics. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' ([[user talk:JzG|help!]]) 09:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
}}

===Request concerning Zarcademan123456===

; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Huldra}} 22:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Zarcademan123456}}{{ds/log|Zarcademan123456}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kafr_Saba&type=revision&diff=961182157&oldid=961162330 01:56, 7 June 2020] Add stuff and remove Palmer-ref at [[Kafr Saba]]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kafr_Saba&type=revision&diff=961339221&oldid=961323735 22:08, 7 June 2020] Re-add same stuff and remove Palmer-ref at [[Kafr Saba]]

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AZarcademan123456 blocked 22 December 2019] with an expiration time of 72 hours (account creation blocked) (Disruptive editing)
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AZarcademan123456 blocked 28 December 2019] with an expiration time of 2 weeks (account creation blocked) (Disruptive editing)
#[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive263#Zarcademan123456|9 March 2020]]: "Zarcademan123456 is cautioned against making mass changes when these involve contested edits. Similar problems are likely to be met with sanctions next time."

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AZarcademan123456&type=revision&diff=912855463&oldid=869711798 Alerted], 28 August 2019


; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :

Clear violation of 1RR on article under [[WP:A/I/PIA]]-sanctions, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 22:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
:[[User:Newslinger]]; no I didn't break the rules: my first rv was of an IP, (who shouldn't have edited the article in the first place), hence it doesn't count. [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 06:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
:Lol, I am not “out to get" Zarcademan123456, (as he claims); but as anyone can see: he is following me around. His first ever edit to [[Kafr Saba]] was 2-3 hours after I had edited it, (and the edit ''removed'' a reference, and introduced unsourced material), his first ever edit at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Khisas&type=revision&diff=961181744&oldid=961162652 Al-Khisas] as also hours after I had edited, (just to mention a couple the last days). I am accustomed to "shadows" following me around, but I ''do'' expect them to follow the rules.
:And I am delighted to hear that Zarcademan123456 has gotten his job back; hopefully he will in the future spend his time more constructively than his very latest edit: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salama,_Jaffa&diff=prev&oldid=961595117 undoing my edit and re-inserting unsourced material], [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 20:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AZarcademan123456&type=revision&diff=961340901&oldid=961248913 Notified] [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 22:23, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


===Discussion concerning Zarcademan123456===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Zarcademan123456====
I’ve kinda stopped using wiki as intently as in past, but if I broke rules comes from lack of understanding. 1R means 24 hours yes?...
With all due respect to @Huldra, I do feel as if he/she is “out to get me” a little bit...again, as I said in previous wiki arbia discussion, if I violate, its out of ignorance, not maliciousness. Not that incompetence shouldn’t be punished, but as a volunteer website, mistakes, IMO, should be dealt with gently, not with heavy hand (violations). Brief aside, luckily I got my job back so I’ll be on wiki less so this will be moot anyways. Good day y’all

====Statement by Zero0000====
{{To|Newslinger}} [[Kafr Saba]] is an article covered by ARBPIA and the [[Special:Diff/961162330|first diff]] of Huldra that you indicate was the revert of an IP. Such edits are exempt from the 1RR restriction, see [[WP:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel_articles#ARBPIA_General_Sanctions]]. So it is not correct that Huldra broke 1RR and you should withdraw that charge. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]][[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]] 06:21, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (selfstudier)====


Although no action was taken (only 3 reverts, not 4) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive408#User:Zarcademan123456_reported_by_User:Selfstudier_(Result:_) this recent complaint] also included 1R (Is-Pal) violations.

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Zarcademan123456===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kafr_Saba&action=history page history] shows that <s>both {{np|Huldra}} ([[Special:Diff/961162330|23:20, 6 June 2020]]; [[Special:Diff/961323735|20:21, 7 June 2020]]) and</s> {{np|Zarcademan123456}} ([[Special:Diff/961182157|01:56, 7 June 2020]]; [[Special:Diff/961339221|22:08, 7 June 2020]]) violated the [[WP:1RR|1RR]] restriction on the [[Kafr Saba]] article. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 05:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
** Thanks for the corrections, {{u|Huldra}} and {{u|Zero0000}}. I'm sorry for the mistake, and I've revised my comment. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 06:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
*While Zarcademan123456 was given the recommendation to self-revert, in fairness, they seem to have simply not been around to do so. That does not negate from 1RR having been contravened (the responsibility to be cognizant of that is on them) — but I would still recommend a ([[WP:AEL|logged]]) warning rather than sanctions. But with the awareness that sanctions for a future violation would be accordingly more severe. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 10:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
:*I now also support sanctions , per Johnuniq especially. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 17:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
* Too much edit-warring for me to feel any sympathy for "mistakes". Given the two blocks in December and the warning in March, I think that a sanction can't be avoided here. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 21:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
*Given the background there should be a sanction as repeated "mistakes" in this area are the whole reason discretionary sanctions are in place. Zarcademan123456's response above does not indicate a suitable understanding of the problem and a topic ban of at least three months would be appropriate. An IP added stuff from elsewhere to [[Kafr Saba]] which Huldra was entitled to revert per the [[Template:Editnotices/Page/Kafr Saba|edit notice]] "{{tq|[Editors to this page: • must be signed into an account and have at least 500 edits and 30 days' tenure • are restricted to making no more than one revert per twenty-four (24) hours (subject to exceptions below)]}}". Zarcademan123456 did two reverts within 24 hours (despite the in-your-face edit notice) while using an edit summary asking Huldra to explain on talk why changes should not occur when standard procedure would be for anyone supporting a change to justify it on talk. Zarcademan123456 has never edited [[Talk:Kafr Saba]]. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 02:12, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==SpicyBiryani==
{{ctop|1=Banned for three months from [[WP:ARBIPA]]. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 18:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC) }}

===Request concerning SpicyBiryani===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Aman.kumar.goel}} 21:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|SpicyBiryani}}{{ds/log|SpicyBiryani}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[WP:ARBIP]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=960063973&oldid=960000286 23:20, 31 May 2020]: In their very first post on [[Talk:Kargil War]], user commits an egregious violation of [[WP:ASPERSIONS]] by assuming nationalities of fellow editors: {{tq|an Indian user has reverted this page....If any Indian editors have objections}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961481917&oldid=961429958 18:45, 8 June 2020]: Refuses to respect the [[WP:CON|consensus of editors]] ([[Talk:Kargil War#Result_in_infobox|reached here]]) and casts [[WP:ASPERSIONS]] on its participants: {{tq|a 'consensus' doesn't really mean much anyway considering that ''India'' who has the largest internet presence in the world, the most fake news in the world, and ''IT'' Cells who actively ''spread propaganda'' in organised brigades for the government}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961658084&oldid=961599932 18:24, 9 June 2020]: On [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961597154&oldid=961528770 being told] how his inappropriate labelling of fellow editors as ''IT Cell'' and Indian government sponsored ''propagandist'' and his obstinate refusal to accept the consensus breached core policies like [[WP:NPOV]], user doubles down on the violations and resorts to adhominem attacks to impugn the unanimous consensus: {{tq|I have not targeted a single editor but given a reason to doubt the validity of any quantity based decisions made involving India on the internet...}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961658084&oldid=961599932 18:24, 9 June 2020]: Same diff, showing that this same user further proceeds to [[WP:NPA|personally attack]] another fellow participant in the discussion by accusing him of engaging in "''chest thumping''" and assuming bad faith and nationalities: {{tq|I am not trying to engage in chest thumping for the Pakistani military if you believe chset thumping is the purpouse of these discussions.}} Ends the comment by seeking credibility for a chronic sockpuppeter {{U|PAKHIGHWAY}} by speculating the sockpuppeter's nationality after feigning ignorance about the sockpuppeter's past history: {{tq|Their IP address indicates they are Canadian, a neutral nationality in this, eliminating any Indo-Pakistani bias.}}



;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]): User is aware of the discretionary sanction in effect in the India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan topic area [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SpicyBiryani per their talk page], but all the same they were notified about it again on ''31 May 2020''.

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :

To begin with, the report is strictly confined to the conduct of the reported user, which on the whole has been lamentable. A persual of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kargil_War#Infobox_very_inaccurate relevant talk page discussion] alone would show the user's repeated [[WP: IDIDNTHEARTHAT]] behavior, breach of core policies like [[WP:NPA]], [[WP: ASPERSIONS]], [[WP:BATTLE]] and last but not the least [[WP:CPUSH]] (in particular the part that reads, {{tq|
''They will attempt to label others or otherwise discredit their opinion based on that person's associations rather than the core of their argument. See ad hominem.''}}

Another thing important to mention here is that the user is essentially an [[WP:SPA]] who has obstinately refused to realize faults in their comments laden with policy violations (which have been adequate demonstrated above through a number of diffs), when pointed to them[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961597154&oldid=961528770 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASpicyBiryani&type=revision&diff=961935762&oldid=961910674 2]. User has been incivil from the get-go and has repeatedly attempted to personalize disputes by speculating ethnicities and nationalities of others, among other things.

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SpicyBiryani&diff=962237463&oldid=961935762]



===Discussion concerning SpicyBiryani===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by SpicyBiryani====
{{tq|User is aware of the discretionary sanction in effect in the India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan topic area per their talk page, but all the same they were notified about it again on 31 May 2020.}}

Firstly, I had been notified of the sanctions well before I had edited the talk page, which you'd know if you'd bothered [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SpicyBiryani&action=history looking at the page history] instead of resorting to [[WP:CHERRYPICKING]] as you have attempted to throughout the rest of your allegations. Do not make things up to discredit me.

Secondly, I have not speculated '''anyone's''' nationality. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AKargil_War&type=revision&diff=960000286&oldid=960000136 Here], you can see that [[User:Kautilya3]], who is ''Indian'', as you can see on their userpage, had reverted the page, to clear up un-neccessary discussion about the Kargil War, instead of the about the article. I had left a comment about the infobox that got caught up in this along some others. So, assuming it was a mistake as [[User:Kautilya3]] is a seemingly competent editor, I re-addressed the issue on the talk page, and just to be on the safe side, changed it to remove as much commentary on the actual war as possible and to focus on the article more. Jingoism on such pages by Indian and Pakistani users is not new, the former being more common due to India having the largest (mostly uncensored) internet population in the world. Again, [[User:Kautilya3]] seemed to be a competent editor, and did not further revert any of my comments, I did not attack or accuse or assume anything about them, nor did I even mention them any further. Additoinally, the fact that they did not revert any of my content again indicates that I was not the issue which caused the revert. I had only mentioned his nationality as people from India and Pakistan are obviously biased to their own country, whether they realise it or not. As you can tell, the comment complied with [[WP:TALKFIRST]], and I had discouraged edit warring and refrained from editing the article itself, despite having the rights to do so at the time. So you could understand why I was initially disappointed that it seemed a biased Indian user had already began edit-warring. However, seeing that this revert was not targeted at me, and after seeing Kautulya3 was a competent editor, I realised this was not the case.

{{tq|Refuses to respect the consensus of editors (reached here) and casts WP:ASPERSIONS on its participants}}
I have every right to question the validity of anything quantity based involving India on the Internet. Yes, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL2ZYXLW5bU IT Cells] and fake news in India do exist. No, this is not my opinion or [[WP:OR]]: Nationalism-fuelled<ref>{{Cite web|title=BBC - New BBC research shows nationalism is driving the spread of fake news - Media Centre|url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/bbc-beyond-fake-news-research|access-date=2020-06-13|website=www.bbc.co.uk}}</ref> fake news is rampant in India. In fact, India has the most fake news in the world.<ref>{{Cite web|title=India has more fake news than any other country in the world: Survey|url=https://www.businessinsider.in/india-has-more-fake-news-than-any-other-country-in-the-world-survey/articleshow/67868418.cms|access-date=2020-06-13|website=Business Insider}}</ref>. And if you want to check yourself, go to any popular webpage about Pakistan, and you fill find more Indians than Pakistanis in the comment section/replies/whatever. For example, even when crickiter Shahid Afridi tested positive for Covid-19, they did not fail to [https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1271720209657630720 politicise the situation and saw it as an opportunity to make racist comments]. Anyway, moving on:

{{tq| user further proceeds to personally attack another fellow participant in the discussion by accusing him of engaging in "chest thumping" and assuming bad faith and nationalities: "I am not trying to engage in chest thumping for the Pakistani military if you believe chset thumping is the purpouse of these discussions." Ends the comment by seeking credibility for a chronic sockpuppeter PAKHIGHWAY by speculating the sockpuppeter's nationality after feigning ignorance about the sockpuppeter's past history: "Their IP address indicates they are Canadian, a neutral nationality in this, eliminating any Indo-Pakistani bias."}}

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kargil_War#Biased_Article_Does_Not_Reflect_Ground_Realities Here] is the piece written by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.244.148.132 this user]. There is no indication of any sockpuppetery or bans whatsoever on their [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:99.244.148.132&action=history talk], nor on their userpage which [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:99.244.148.132&action=edit&redlink=1 they did not add anything to]. A quick [https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/99.244.148.132 geolocation] shows that it is a Canadian user, so it's not like they were a biased Indian or Pakistani, as I pointed out. Despite me [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&oldid=961936631 asking for evidence of sockpuppetery multiple times], [[User:Aman.kumar.goel]] resorted to [[Wikipedia:IDIDNTHEARTHAT|WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT]] and called the user 'sockmaster': {{tq|You can't lend more credibility to sockmaster...}}.

{{tq|showing that this same user further proceeds to personally attack another fellow participant in the discussion by accusing him of engaging in "chest thumping" and assuming bad faith and nationalities: "I am not trying to engage in chest thumping for the Pakistani military if you believe chset thumping is the purpouse of these discussions."}}

I do not know what kind of mental gymnastics it takes to interpret that as a 'personal attack'. I stated that the as a result of the war, there were indeed territorial changes, whether they be in India or Pakistan's favour, and that I was not chest thumping and trying to make the Pakistani military look better, if that was the assumption other users had. In fact, I was agreeing with the person who you allege I was personally attacking.

{{tq|Another thing important to mention here is that the user is essentially an WP:SPA who has obstinately refused to realize faults in their comments laden with policy violations (which have been adequate demonstrated above through a number of diffs), when pointed to them1, 2. User has been incivil from the get-go and has repeatedly attempted to personalize disputes by speculating ethnicities and nationalities of others, among other things.}} Where have I mentioned ethnicities? Other than my userpage, I have found no mention of any such subject. If you look at [[WP:SPATG]], I do not fit the criteria to be labelled as such. And is there anything wrong with me editing articles relevant to my own country? [[User:Aman.kumar.goel|The accusing user's]] page shows that they too have an interest in their country, so by their logic they too should be banned. Moreover, my account is younger than his, so obviously its edits have not grown to reach as much of Wikipedia, especially considering the fact that there is a Pandemic which makes it difficult to spend more time contributing to Wikipedia. Otherwise, I could just spam useless edits on random page to increase my edit count, editing rights and use other common deceptive if I created this account with malicious intent as [[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman.kumar.goel]] alleges.

TL;DR:
*[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman.kumar.goel]] resorts to [[WP:CHERRYPICKING]]/[[WP:ICANTHEARYOU]], refused to acknowledge facts related to the topic and called another fellow editor a sockpuppeter without providing any evidence, while blaming me for personally attacking others even when I agree with them. Proceeds to accuse me of being a [[WP:SPA]] because I edit articles which I am intrested in and don't take pride in artificially inflating my edit count.

'''If any of my actions are indeed leaning towards the wrong side then I will avoid committing them in the future and change my editing behaviour, if pointed out by an administrator.'''

[[User:SpicyBiryani |SpicyBiryani]] [[User talk:SpicyBiryani|(talk)]] 10:12, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

:[[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]], Kindly avoid resorting to [[WP:MOREX]]. If you'd read what I [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2020_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes#News18_is_an_Indian_source_providing_Indian_claims actually said] and didn't resort to [[WP:CHERRYPICKING]], you'll see that not only is News-18 run in India by Indians and owned by Indian companies (it is affiliated with CNN) but it is also giving the same numbers as the Indian armed forces were. Therefore, this would be labeled as an Indian figure as it's provided by an Indian source. Additionally, if you researched about me properly, you'll see I've had a pleasant experience with some Indian editors and the opposite with some. Moreover, If I had created this account just to crib about Indians, I would be resorting to insults and vandalism a lot more, and would not bother defending myself to this extent if I didn't value this website and account and saw it as an insignificant platform for trolling and vandalism. [[User:SpicyBiryani |SpicyBiryani]] [[User talk:SpicyBiryani|(talk)]] 16:09, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

'''As I've stated above, I apologise for any of my actions which violated any policies and will do my best to refrain from repeating such actions in the future. I realise that my country (and related topics) are controversial subjects on Wikipedia, but unfortunately it seems that I found out the hard way.''' I'm pretty comfortable with computers and exploring settings and that kind of stuff, but I ''am'' new on Wikipedia if that caused anyone to doubt my account age. Additionally, my edits on [[2020 China–India skirmishes]] are mostly attempts to stop edit warring and citing sources [https://twitter.com/WenwenWang1127/status/1272818912082583557 out of context].

[[User:SpicyBiryani |SpicyBiryani]] [[User talk:SpicyBiryani|(talk)]] 20:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
{{ref talk}}

====Statement by Siddsg====
So SpicyBiryani has only 38 edits and he feels that it is fine for him to misuse Wikipedia as a [[WP:SOAPBOX]] against "Indians" because of his own perceived but very personal prejudice/hatred/bias against Indians. I see this to be a clear example of [[WP:CIR]] and [[WP:BATTLE]]. SpicyBiryani also misrepresented [[CNN]] and [[CNN-News18]] as "Indian source" in order to sabotage the reliability of the source when he edited [[2020 China–India skirmishes]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes&diff=961456580&oldid=961452498] Maybe an indef block (topic ban upon return) would be worth it. [[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]] ([[User talk:Siddsg|talk]]) 10:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning SpicyBiryani===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*A [[WP:TBAN|topic ban]] from the [[WP:ARBIPA|IPA]] topic area is probably in order. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 22:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, I think starting the topic ban with IPA would be fine. I don't think the DS allows us to expand it, regionally, beyond that, in any case. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 13:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, are you getting my pings here? Because this is the third time you've pinged me at AE in the last few days where I didn't get any alert and only caught it in passing. I'm wondering why that is. Anyway, on to your point: following your correction, if you feel IPA overall is not too narrow but rather too broad, I personally have no objection in erring on the IPA "armed conflict"-only side of leniency. Certainly, I don't see the harm of a more focused topic ban in this instance. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, cool thanks. Makes sense — that did not occur to me. Yes, ping successful! [[User:El_C|El_C]] 00:58, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*I think SpicyBiryani is editing in good faith, but their attitude requires a fundamental recalibration; a [[WP:RGW|righting great wrongs]] approach to content isn't acceptable, and a [[WP:BATTLE|battleground approach]] towards other editors isn't acceptable either. The topic ''is'' rife with POV-pushing and tag-teaming, but that's no excuse. I would recommend a topic-ban from armed conflict involving India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan (really it ought to be all of South Asia, but the sanctions regime is not that wide; {{U|El C}}, thoughts on that?) and would be okay with an ARBIPA topic ban also, though it wouldn't be my first choice. I would make the TBAN indefinite, with the expectation that it wouldn't be lifted until the user showed a history of constructive engagement with areas outside their TBAN. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 19:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
*:{{re|El C}} apologies, I didn't make myself clear; I'm not asking to expand the scope of the ban, because as we both said, the DS regime doesn't allow for it; I wanted your opinion on a TBAN from "armed conflict involving India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan", which I think would cover the area of their current disruption while allowing for productive editing elsewhere. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 15:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*::{{ping|El_C}} Did you get this one? If so, that's my bad; I sometimes forget your username includes an underscore; with a space there instead, the ping still renders as normal, so I wouldn't catch it. If you didn't get this one, then I'm still baffled...I'm certainly getting yours. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 00:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*After this user made only 38 edits I don't believe we have enough information to specify a narrowly-tailored topic ban. Would prefer to close with the warning that if they continue to edit conflict-related articles in South Asia and keep making broad-brush assertions about typical behavior of editors of various nationalities, any administrator may issue an indefinite topic ban from all of [[WP:ARBIPA]]. Narrow topic bans can lead to arguments about the boundaries and can risk using up space on noticeboards. If other editors want to issue a topic ban I suggest the full domain of [[WP:ARBIPA]]. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 16:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::::*Apologies for the late response; I'm fine with a warning. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 14:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
* I agree with {{u|EdJohnston}}. SpicyBiryani is in theory a new editor (though I have some nagging doubts there) and has chosen to pitch in to a complete minefield. We should be somewhat forgiving of newbie errors, but we should be pretty clear that this forbearance is strictly limited, especially given the belligerent nature of their response above. How about a 3 month no-mainspace restriction in this topic area? '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' ([[user talk:JzG|help!]]) 09:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{ping|JzG}}. Since part of the complaint is about tendentious editing on talk pages, I'm not sure that allowing them to continue editing this area but outside of mainspace is a good plan. Agree with you that their response to this complaint is unimpressive. I'd favor a 3-month topic ban from the whole domain of [[WP:ARBPIA]]. Either that or a warning. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 23:05, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
:*:{{u|EdJohnston}}, fair point, works for me. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' ([[user talk:JzG|help!]]) 23:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*I'm not optimistic about the future editing of [[User:SpicyBiryani]], and the topic of the [[Kargil War]] is one of the most troublesome in the IPA topic area. The four diffs supplied above are all about the Kargil War. (There are also a number of hits in the SPI archive for the Kargil War, but so far SpicyBiryani himself is not implicated as a sock). So, if it is down to me to decide between a warning and a 3-month ban, I'm opting to impose a regular three month topic ban from the full domain of [[WP:ARBIPA]]. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 18:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
{{cbot}}

==Posp68==
{{hat|{{noping|Posp68}} is topic banned indefinitely from the subjects of Eastern Europe and the Balkans, broadly construed. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC) }}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Posp68===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Ermenrich}} 16:55, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Posp68}}{{ds/log|Posp68}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe#Amendments#Standard discretionary sanctions]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia&type=revision&diff=962338097&oldid=962336388&diffmode=source June 13 2020] Using article talk page as a forum to justify the expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia after WWII despite being told that the talk page is not a forum.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia&type=revision&diff=962340647&oldid=962339159&diffmode=source June 13 2020] Using article talk page as a forum to justify the expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia after WWII despite being told that the talk page is not a forum.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia&type=revision&diff=962341700&oldid=962340831&diffmode=source June 13 2020] Using article talk page as a forum to justify the expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia after WWII despite being told that the talk page is not a forum.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Munich_Agreement&diff=947860302&oldid=947857135&diffmode=source March 28 2020] Racialist attack on Hungarians being "Asiatic" to imply that they have less right to live somewhere than "European" Slovakians.
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Munich_Agreement&diff=948022693&oldid=948003113&diffmode=source March 29 2020] Second of two repeated racialist attacks on Hungarians as "Asiatic".
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Munich_Agreement&diff=956806878&oldid=956803886&diffmode=source May 15 2020] Thinly veiled racialist attack on another editor.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munich_Agreement&type=revision&diff=962204807&oldid=962203884&diffmode=source June 12 2020] Edit warring over the addition of "historical Czech lands" multiple times to the article Munich agreement.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munich_Agreement&type=revision&diff=962206805&oldid=962206402&diffmode=source June 12, 2020] Edit warring over the addition of "historical Czech lands" multiple times to the article Munich agreement.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munich_Agreement&type=revision&diff=962490891&oldid=962464376&diffmode=source June 14 2020] Edit warring while logged out over the addition of "historical Czech lands" multiple times to the article Munich agreement.

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Posp68&type=revision&diff=954509816&oldid=954492737&diffmode=source May 2 2020] Posp68 was blocked for 32 hours for attacking me as {{tq|a German of the right old type}} over a content dispute [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ermenrich&type=revision&diff=954502032&oldid=954495945&diffmode=source]

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):


*Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Posp68&type=revision&diff=954492737&oldid=954467863&diffmode=source May 2 2020] by {{admin|Ymblanter}}.

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :

Posp68's edits appear mostly to be intended to justify the current borders of the Czech Republic and the removal of Germans from it. They have some serious NPOV issues and also competency issues in that their editing is often grammatically incorrect and poorly formatted. In the five years they have been registered here, most of their edits have been to [[Expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia]] and [[Munich Agreement]], always seeking to justify the Czech position. They also had an extended edit war over [[Polish-Czechoslovak War]]. It is my belief that the user is [[WP:NOTHERE]].

This is my first time filing an enforcement request, so I apologize if anything is not quite as it should be.

'''Edit''' I've added three more diffs of edit warring I think should be considered, including some where Posp68 edited while logged out. The issue was discussed here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Munich_Agreement#The_same_sentence_twice], where Posp68 gave one of there usual pronouncements for having essentially the same sentence three times in one paragraph: {{tq|'''The historical Czech lands retained its historical boundaries'''. The history of the Czech lands did not start in 1918.}} This sort of unbending attitude (did anyone deny that Bohemia and Moravia existed before?) used to justify edits with a clear agenda, is precisely the problem here.

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Posp68&type=revision&diff=962368529&oldid=962349826&diffmode=source]



===Discussion concerning Posp68===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Posp68====

====Statement by Ymblanter====
I have blocked the user in May <s>as a conclusion of</s> for a personal attack while having [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ymblanter&diff=prev&oldid=954509566 this nice discussion] at my talk page, and my impression was (and remains) that this is a type of user who knows the TRUTH and would always interpret sources as if they confirm their POV, and would never concede the sources say something else, not aligned with their POV. I do not think the participation of this user in Easter European topics is beneficial for Wikipedia.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 17:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Posp68===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''


*In my opinion, a topic ban of [[User:Posp68]] from the domain of [[WP:ARBEE]] would be justified. I don't see evidence he is capable of neutral editing in this area. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 20:02, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
* I agree with Ed. The user is a net negative in the area. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 21:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
*Pops68 has continued to edit since being notified of this request, so has apparently chosen not to participate in it. Given that, will close with the above remedy, on which I agree entirely with the two above. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Mikola22==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Mikola22===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Sadko}} 19:59, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Mikola22}}{{ds/log|Mikola22}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[WP:TOPICBAN]]

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

A user under 1RR sanctions is going on with the same sort of behaviour which led to his current status and continuing his fringe narrative and disruptive editing/lack of communications, which was just recently observed by another fellow editor - {{ping|Slatersteven}}

#Removal of sourced content in the same manner in the same way before the imposed sanctions [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slavonia&type=revision&diff=954218286&oldid=952272749&diffmode=source] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Statuta_Valachorum&type=revision&diff=954232036&oldid=948041118&diffmode=source]
#
#Identical fringe viewpoints which were reported multiple times in the recent past (notice that there are ~10 RS presented on the article) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Svetozar_Boroević&type=revision&diff=951311307&oldid=951303243&diffmode=source]
#
#Ignoring other user’s concerns [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Frontier&type=revision&diff=952159744&oldid=952151298&diffmode=source] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eparchy_of_Marča&type=revision&diff=945738116&oldid=945730925&diffmode=source]
#
#Complaints about prior “lost battles” which led to his/her ban in the fist place [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ivan_Gundulić&type=revision&diff=952487328&oldid=952324675&diffmode=source] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Svetozar_Boroević&type=revision&diff=937322363&oldid=937313035&diffmode=source]
#
#Continuing to push questionable notions on the same page where edit-warring was taking place (the other editors involved has been permanently banned, so it seems that the editor think he has carte blanche for his actions) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Statuta_Valachorum&action=history] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slavonia&action=history]

Endless disturbing point-scoring (the intent seemes to be to paint the Serbian role in WW2 as black as possible, using questionable sources and logic):

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stjepan_Filipovi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959556377&oldid=942566161&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belgrade&type=revision&diff=959311317&oldid=959257084&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_Serbia&type=revision&diff=958604551&oldid=957556425&diffmode=source] (which is more often than not just wrong or taken out of full context)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959231623&oldid=959220971&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=958646770&oldid=958554347&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banjica_concentration_camp&type=revision&diff=958926376&oldid=958830509&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Judenfrei&type=revision&diff=958535425&oldid=958529105&diffmode=source] !
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikolaj_Velimirovi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959779223&oldid=957594106&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&type=revision&diff=960051289&oldid=960039598&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kragujevac_massacre&type=revision&diff=961022710&oldid=960871508&diffmode=source]

blunt removal [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Svetozar_Boroevi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959758912&oldid=958711420&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikolaj_Velimirovi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959936467&oldid=959779223&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960419086&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romani_genocide&diff=prev&oldid=960537370&diffmode=source]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatian_Orthodox_Church&type=revision&diff=925461297&oldid=925459458&diffmode=source] (on the very same article WW2 fascists were used as "RS" by the same editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatian_Orthodox_Church&type=revision&diff=925368344&oldid=925253077&diffmode=source])
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Marco_Polo&type=revision&diff=959541182&oldid=959539949&diffmode=source] (''Marco Polo was Croatian'')
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chetniks&type=revision&diff=960752109&oldid=960741476&diffmode=source]

It seems to me that nothing has changed and I would suggest a topic ban on the history of the Balkans.

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&diff=962376286&oldid=941790562&diffmode=source] Sitewide block, involved admin was {{ping|El_C}} with whom I had a discussion about this sort of editing on his TP.

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&diff=962376286&oldid=941791355&diffmode=source] Arbitration sanction

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
Constant [[WP:NOTHERE]] and refusal to cooperate with other editors.

::Not at all, diffs speak quite clearly about everything, rather than the pile of interpretations which have been presented above. Constant use of questionable sources, ignoring other users and than leaving comments on the TP which just repeat the previous points. That's the modus operandi, which is not bringing anything good.
::I understand that you want to turn a blind eye. There have been several reports on the same user (not done by me) for promoting fringe theories and views.
::'''I'm not hounding anyone''' (taking a look once in a while in order to see what some editor/s with history of promoting fringe theories are doing can't be called hounding; I should know considering that several editors are doing the same to me). Being vigilant and pointing out to potential canvassing, which was a serious issue from editors from hr.wiki is not a bad thing. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mikola22#Potential_canvassing] '''[[User:Sadko|Sadkσ]]''' [[User talk:Sadko|(talk is cheap)]] 22:48, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&type=revision&diff=962564654&oldid=962564373&diffmode=source]



===Discussion concerning Mikola22===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''

My additional answer and comment is here: [[User talk:Mikola22 #Answer]].

Does anyone read my answers, false accusations of removing something from articles, false accusations me of using questionable sources and in 95% of cases no one deletes my information with that claim, accusations of adding links to the article or deleting mine information which was later returned by another editor which confirmed this RS as reliable, false statements that someone was banned so that I took advantage of it and the same editor received same punishment like me and I am not banned. Therefore I have explained everything and I ask that all his accusations be verified and not that I be punished for false accusations. I don't know how someone could come here and write false accusations without evidence. I thought that authorities of Wikipedia would punish editor Sadko for that. My evidence for stated are here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mikola22#Answer_II] [[User:Mikola22|Mikola22]] ([[User talk:Mikola22|talk]]) 09:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Mikola22====
*'''Removal of sourced content in the same manner in the same way before the imposed sanctions [34] [35]''' I have not moved anything here but I have added two information to the article from RS.
*'''Identical fringe viewpoints which were reported multiple times in the recent past (notice that there are ~10 RS presented on the article) [36]''' Yes, it is a talk page and my opinion based on historical facts that I know of. 10 RS presented on the article say that Svetozar Borijević is a Croat, whay would my opinion be fringe viewpoints if I say that he is a Croat? What I supposed to say on talk page if Borojević himself said that he is Croat?
*'''Ignoring other user’s concerns [37] [38]''' [37], Yes, added 9 RS [38] Yes, it is a forgery for which the Serbian academic [[Sima Ćirković]] talks about in his books. He himself says that he does not know when the use of this false information will stop ("200 thousand Serbs who came to Croatia. Slavonia"). This false information ie forgery is still an integral part of many articles.
*'''Complaints about prior “lost battles” which led to his/her ban in the fist place [39] [40]''' [39] Yes, opinion expressed at talk page.[40] Yes, this is from talk page before 1RR restriction, whether I am allowed to talk on the talk page or not?
*'''Continuing to push questionable notions on the same page where edit-warring was taking place (the other editors involved has been permanently banned, so it seems that the editor think he has carte blanche for his actions) [41] [42].''' [41] Yes, added information from various RS.[42] Yes, something I added to the article, something does not belong to the article and that is why we are here, we edit articles.
*'''Endless disturbing point-scoring (the intent semes to be to paint the Serbian role in WW2 as black as possible, using questionable sources and logic):''' [43] Yes, [[Stjepan Filipović]] article, informations from RS [44] Yes, information from RS ''"Belgrade became the first city in Europe to be declared [[Judenfrei]] ("clean of Jews")'' [45]Yes, ''[[Milan Nedić|Nedić's]], [[Dimitrije Ljotić|Ljotić's]] and [[Chetniks]] by Semptember of 1944 capture about 455 remaining Jews in Serbia who were handed over to the [[Banjica concentration camp]] where they were killed immediately.'' information from the RS. [46] I don't know what's bothering you here? [47]Yes, ''"In March 1942 Nedić with suport of [[August Meyszner]] establish Serbian State Guard (Srpska državna straža) who together with the Gestapo participated in guarding of [[Banjica concentration camp]], in which among others were responsible for killings, including children."'' information from RS. [48] Yes, information from RS ''"with thousands killed in [[Jajinci]], Jewish cemetery and Marinkova Bara"'' [49] Yes, ''"but in Germany suspected that this is not true and authority from Berlin sent [[Franz Abromeit]] to check situation. After that Ustashe were under pressure to finish the job. In April 1942 Jews from [[Osijek]] were deported to Jasenovac, two hundred of them while 2,800 were sent to Auschwich.''" information from the RS [50] Statement and responses shortened due to far exceeding word limit. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 21:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC) 
*{{Ping|Santasa99}} You don't see is that I'm on Wikipedia for a few more days and you're concerned because some editor asked me for advice? Don't worry, everything will be fine. [[User:Mikola22|Mikola22]] ([[User talk:Mikola22|talk]]) 20:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
*{{Ping|Santasa99}} Any punishment (except some minor) based on this mostly false accusation of editor Sadko if I get I will ask for a permanent block. And everything is going in that direction. Do you know how many books, scientific papers I had to read and translate even though I don't know English and that someone is falsely accusing me. How much forge informations I found without anyone thanking me. See Milan Nedić article before my edit, in year 2020? Not anymore. [[User:Mikola22|Mikola22]] ([[User talk:Mikola22|talk]]) 21:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

{{reflist-talk}}

====Statement by Tezwoo====
First, it should be pointed out that Sadko was recently the main subject of a large ANI regarding POV pushing in similar topics, in some of which he had disputes with Mikola22 too. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1035#Disruptive_editing_and_POV_pushing%2Fpoint-scoring_in_a_contentious_area] Since the ANI was too large, it was overlooked. Admin Number_57 noted back then that Sadko's edits look "clearly like classic nationalist POV pushing/point-scoring in a contentious area" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ANumber_57&type=revision&diff=954111712&oldid=954111204] Due to a potential [[WP:BOOMERANG]], it should be looked at now. Sadko also seems to have been [[WP:WIKIHOUNDING]] Mikola22, as can be seen at Mikola22's talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMikola22&type=revision&diff=962357398&oldid=962317307]. Here's a closer look at the report:

1st diff ([[Slavonia]]) - the first false claim, as it was not "Removal of sourced content". Mikola22 added new information from a RS.

2nd diff ([[Statuta Valachorum]]) - nothing was removed there as well, he added new content.

3rd diff ([[Svetozar Boroević]]) - those are not "fringe viewpoints", both Mikola22 and other users provided multiple RS on the talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Svetozar_Boroevi%C4%87#Additional_sources] that show how the ethnicity of Svetozar Boroević is differently presented in various sources. A consensus was reached that the article should state both the sources that mention his Serb origin (which was strongly advocated by Sadko), and those that mention a Croat origin.

"Complaints about prior “lost battles”" - that is nonexistent in the diffs provided.

"Ignoring other user’s concerns" - 1st diff ([[Military Frontier]]). Nothing was removed here, he added sources which are in fact modern historiography. He discussed that on the talk page, and another user agreed that those are reliable sources. Regarding the 2nd diff ([[Eparchy of Marča]]), Mikola22 did not add anything to the article following that discussion, so he did not ignore others concerns.

WW2 articles - Again, he added sourced content, mostly about the holocaust. It is interesting that on the 2nd diff provided there, in the previous revert, Sadko reverted an edit that "[[Milan Nedić]] implemented Hitler's anti Semitic policies" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belgrade&diff=prev&oldid=959257084]. That is the only contentious edit I see there.

"blunt removal" - in the 1st diff ([[Svetozar Boroević]]), he was right to revert the edit as it was not in the cited source. 2nd diff ([[Nikolaj Velimirović]]) is obviously a mistake as he thought this was mentioned already. 3rd diff, he started a section on the talk page and several other users also pointed out to the off topic content in that article. 4th diff, nothing removed there, he added cited information.

Diff no.50 (Marco Polo) is very misleading as he did not write that "Marco Polo was Croatian". For the last diff ([[Chetniks]]), the content he added was confirmed with an additional source by Peacemaker67 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chetniks&diff=next&oldid=960839534]

That is mostly it. I'll gladly provide additional sources for any of Mikola22's additions. This just seems as an attempt to get rid of an editor with whom the user(s) had some content disputes with misleading explanations of pilled up diffs. [[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] ([[User talk:Tezwoo|talk]]) 21:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

;Boomerang?
Context is important. Regarding "questionable sources", Sadko defended the use of an internet portal article titled "Croats are hijacking our heritage" for an ethnic identity claim [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrija_Zmajevi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=953764404&oldid=953751018]. The issue (novosti.rs article) had to be brought to RSN, which made it clear that it is not an RS. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAndrija_Zmajevi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=956051596&oldid=954320411]

As for "fringe views", some of the above diffs are related to the [[Chetniks]]. There is an academic consensus that the Chetniks carried out [[Chetnik_war_crimes_in_World_War_II|genocide during WW2]]. Interestingly, both Sadko [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3AGenocide_sidebar&type=revision&diff=944619293&oldid=944618326] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yugoslav_Wars&type=revision&diff=953560907&oldid=953543975] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yugoslav_Wars&type=revision&diff=957685944&oldid=957641059] and Griboski [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatia%E2%80%93Serbia_relations&diff=prev&oldid=962019649] have a very recent history of contesting or removing the mention of genocide as a statement of fact, contrary to the cited source(s). [[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] ([[User talk:Tezwoo|talk]]) 22:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:The actions of the reporter are evaluated too. If the user acted the same, or worse, in the articles in question, that significantly undermines the original report. In this case, that applies to all three users who are attacking Mikola22 (see the ANI of 30 April). And claims of breaking the 1RR for diffs where 1RR was clearly not broken, or claims of removal of content on diffs where nothing was removed, also undermine it. There is a much stronger case for a boomerang. If there are any doubts for WW2-related issues, you can ask Peacemaker67 to weigh in as a neutral observer. [[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] ([[User talk:Tezwoo|talk]]) 17:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
::It's hard to keep a condensed reply when 70 diffs are presented that imply you should be topic banned, coming from users that are directly involved in content disputes, clearly trying to gain the upper hand there. I hope {{ping|Peacemaker67}} can give his view on this whole issue. [[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] ([[User talk:Tezwoo|talk]]) 13:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Griboski====
I can't speak to most of these article diffs as I was not involved in them. I can only comment on what I've observed. My main issue with Mikola22 is his unwillingness to listen to other editors' concerns and to try to understand what constitutes fringe viewpoints and reliable sources. For instance, in this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chetniks#Ljubica_%C5%A0tefan_allegedly_a_controversial_author] discussion it was explained to him why Ljubica Štefan is a fringe and questionable source to use. Yet he continues to say "but she is a popular Croatian historian" and asserts it is a RS. Here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=960123880] he opened up a discussion contesting the exclusion of two clearly fringe sources which depict death tolls that stray away far from the consensus. Even though he's been blocked before and these types of issues have been explained to him, there's a continued resistance to acknowledging and addressing them. --[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 17:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:Your reply proves my point as you double down and repeat much of the same points while refusing to acknowledge the concerns. If a source is questionable or controversial, statements should be attributed to them at the very least but a better source is preferred. No, you weren't specifically blocked for your use of fringe sources/theories but that has been a long-standing issue with you, related to your block. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&diff=945517367&oldid=945501774] --[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 19:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
@[[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] Please don't misrepresent my edit. There isn't a consensus that the Chetniks carried out genocide but rather that some historians state it happened and that is what is reflected in my edit. @[[User:Mikola22|Mikola22]] "Judenfrei Serbia/Belgrade" is a major talking point used by the Croatian right-wing to try to demonstrate that the Serbian collaborationist government was worse than the Ustasha regime. I'm not accusing you of holding that view but it is concerning then that you've added that bit to several Holocaust-related articles while at the same time adding things like this out of context which minimizes the Holocaust in Croatia [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=959627829&oldid=959119925]. Also your claims that the Milan Nedić and other articles were written "with flowers" (whatever that means) before you came along is not true and a case of self aggrandizement. Much of what you did is repeat a lot of the information already found in the article and re-emphasized it, including using a couple of unreliable sources, with some structural issues which needed cleanup afterwards. You did add some additional useful information that wasn't there before, congrats. I'm all for improving articles. What is troubling is the agenda-driven editing seemingly just to make a [[WP:POINT]]. --[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 16:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by WEBDuB====
I think that one of the biggest problems with the user's work existed in the article [[Denial of genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia]]. He removed most of the article, the sourced content, without prior debate on the talk-page or warning using some of a template [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960414150] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960415470] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960415790] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960415932] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960416041] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960417177] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960418403]. Most importantly, that included the violation of the 1RR rule [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960416120] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960416857] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960417549] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960419086]. To be honest, he later re-reverted one of his changes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960419255]. In another article, there is another violation of the 1RR restriction [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956219243] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956220620] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956221387] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956224858]

Furthermore, I've noticed a strange form of [[WP:HOUNDING]], which included some kind of “countermoves”. This was evident during my work on the article [[Genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia]], which was followed by similar changes to the articles that the user seems to have perceived as a kind of parallel events (which usually did not make sense). When I contributed something on April 27 ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=962881076&oldid=953463385] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=962881076&oldid=953489624] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=962881076&oldid=953538908]), he made changes to the article [[Milan Nedić]] for the first time, without previous contributions in this article in his history ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=953404333] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=953406287] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=953407749]) When I contributed something on May 24 and 25 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958577357&oldid=958535591] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958635477&oldid=958583520] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958640386&oldid=958636734] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958644114&oldid=958640505] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958747936&oldid=958741853]), he soon made similar changes to the articles [[The Holocaust in German-occupied Serbia]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_German-occupied_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=958604551], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_German-occupied_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=958613377] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_German-occupied_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=958681585]), [[Banjica concentration camp]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banjica_concentration_camp&diff=prev&oldid=958607410]) and [[Chetnik war crimes in World War II]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chetnik_war_crimes_in_World_War_II&diff=prev&oldid=958952514]) for the first time. I really doubt that the articles about the Holocaust in occupied Serbia, Banjica camp and Milan Nedić are on the watchlist of the editor who work mostly with Croats-related pages. Of course, there are many examples of the direct following and making changes in the same article after my contributions.

In addition to a sensitive topic such as one of the deadliest genocides, his [[WP:POVPUSH]] and [[WP:CONTENTFORK]] can also be seen in the obsession with the most important and most famous Serbian personalities such as [[Nikola Tesla]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla&diff=prev&oldid=955915100] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960510075] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960567632] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960590943] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960717159]) and [[Novak Djokovic]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croats_of_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=962524562] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croats_of_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=962531616]). His focus on removing information about Serbs from Dubrovnik and Ragusa has already been shown in this discussion.--[[User:WEBDuB|WEBDuB]] ([[User talk:WEBDuB|talk]]) 23:12, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Tezwoo}} Honestly, I don't think it's Ok to deviate from the main topic here. You do a great job on Wikipedia, but here we are discussing the violation of rules and about one specific editor. So far, I've not made changes to the articles about the Chetniks, as their crimes have already been described extensively on Wikipedia. Especially, I didn't remove or minimize any crimes. However, I think that the two accused editors didn't advocate fringe views and "deny genocide", but were guided by the main title of the article and discussions on the talk page in which the academic consensus was not confirmed. Personally, I've seen many disputes, when authors compared to the Ustaša genocide, because the Chetniks didn't have a state apparatus and were a heterogeneous group, not unique organization. As I said, that shouldn’t even be a topic here.

:{{ping|Mikola22}} On this page, I didn't dispute your changes (your contributions on the Nedić and Holocaust pages are correct), but the broad context and the time when you entered them. However, the sources you added about Novak Djokovic were Serbian tabloids and Croatian portals that are indisputably not neutral. He is a world-famous star who is in the media almost every day, there would certainly be a huge number of reliable sources in many languages for any important information about him. Again, I didn't wrote anything about specific changes and source, but about your evident intentions and [[WP:POVPUSH]], [[WP:CONTENTFORK]], [[WP:HOUNDING]]. I would understand if you “followed me” on the Croats-related articles because they were on your watchlist. Generally, this is not the first time that I've noticed that someone has taken “countermeoves” and created or expanded a “parallel article” with very similar structure. In addition, the [[WP:3RR]] and [[WP:1RR]] do not always involve just the use of the undo tool, but any type of change that reverts to the previous version. In your case, removing the same content.--[[User:WEBDuB|WEBDuB]] ([[User talk:WEBDuB|talk]]) 14:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|Mikola22}} You should stop with too long explanations, which are not related to the main topic. That can disrupt the review. We are not here to discuss each change and each source individually. I think I clearly explained everything I had.--[[User:WEBDuB|WEBDuB]] ([[User talk:WEBDuB|talk]]) 11:57, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Sadko====
I shall not comment attempts to spin the report on myself as the main drive behind those attempts based on free interpretations of my work is fear of being left without editors and support for certain edits, which have been called POV in the past. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tezwoo&type=revision&diff=960576239&oldid=960486806&diffmode=source]

The same sort of pushy moves, [[Red herring]], [[stonewalling]], lack of willingness to discuss and present [[WP:RS]] and communicate with other editors can be seen on recent edits here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Croats_of_Serbia#Recent_edits] That's just tip of the iceberg, and this sort of editing has been present from the very beginning of this user's activity. '''[[User:Sadko|Sadkσ]]''' [[User talk:Sadko|(talk is cheap)]] 16:46, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Peacemaker67====
I'll start by saying that there has been a significant uptick in disruptive and POV editing in the WWII Balkans space in the last six months or so, and there are several editors contributing to that disruption. Much of this report is just false or POV and can only be seen as being included in bad faith to load up the report in order to remove Mikola22 from the area in dispute. Yes, Mikola22 has made some problematic edits, yes Mikola22 has a case of [[WP:IDHT]], but frankly, both are pretty common in this space because feelings are strong on all sides, and Mikola22 has made some excellent additions to articles on my watchlist as well. Regarding the diffs included in the report, point 1. is wrong, neither edit involves removal of sourced content, point 2 relates to an unobjectionable post on a talk page..., assuming good faith regarding the content of the edits being correct per the first diff used at point 3, they are reliable sources and the info should be in the article, contrasted with any reliably sourced information that contradicts it. Aside: This is part of the problem with the disruption in this area at the moment, some editors want only the version of a subject that fits their world view or POV, and therefore fail to compare and contrast where sources vary. The second diffs of point 3 is again an unobjectionable talk page post. Point 4 is unactionable, nowhere on Wikipedia is it said that people cannot complain. Point 5 has two links to the edit history of talk pages, this isn't specific enough to be actionable.

The diffs under "Endless disturbing point scoring" start with a diff in which Mikola22 added that [[:Stjepan Filipović]] was executed by the collaborationist [[:Serbian State Guard]], whereas the article had previously avoided mentioning that fact. Filipović WAS executed by the Serbian State Guard, and Mikola22 provided a reliable source for that information. The next one was Mikola22 adding to the [[:Belgrade]] article that the city was the first in Europe to be declared ''Judenrein'' (free of Jews), which came about due to the willing assistance of the collaborationist Serbian puppet government. Again, an entirely good edit. I haven't examined all of rest of the diffs due to space restrictions here, but if they are similar to the ones I have examined, then this report is extremely poor, and does not support action against Mikola22. I'd be glad to examine all the diffs, but would need dispensation from a reviewing admin to go over 500 words. [[User:Peacemaker67|Peacemaker67]] ([[User_talk:Peacemaker67|click to talk to me]]) 04:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks Tony, I'll post more tomorrow Australian time. [[User:Peacemaker67|Peacemaker67]] ([[User_talk:Peacemaker67|click to talk to me]]) 08:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Calthinus====
I have had less interaction with Mikola than some here; I have largely found both Sadko and Mikola to be reasonable in my interactions with them; it is only understandable that one is passionate about matters that involve relations between countries that were [[Yugoslav Wars|quite recently at war]]. I do, however, ask {{u|Sadko}} to strike this part of his case, where he gives this diff [[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chetniks&type=revision&diff=960752109&oldid=960741476&diffmode=source]] for the statement {{tquote|Marco Polo was Croatian}} (apparently attributing such a view to Mikola). That diff is an edit about Chetniks, and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMarco_Polo&type=revision&diff=959517733&oldid=946283974 it is very clear that Mikola views Marco Polo as ''Venetian'', not Croatian]. --[[User:Calthinus|Calthinus]] ([[User talk:Calthinus|talk]]) 14:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Santasa99====

I would strongly suggest that you check the situation around both of these editors, that is, Mikola as well as Sadko, they both deserve careful scrutiny. I partly agree with the arguments and examples given by Tezwoo, only I wouldn’t go that far in defending Mikola. I have had very unpleasant experiences with both editors in many cases, only they tend to differ in "modus operand" to the extent that Sadko usually backs down from the disruption of obvious RS, although in most cases he will try to test you and RS to the extreme, backing down only at the very limits proscribed by policies and guidelines - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive395#User:Sadko_reported_by_User:Santasa99_(Result:_Warned) Sadko was almost blocked] because of the same thing they are now reporting on Mikola. However, much more unpleasant is Sadko's acquired taste for following the history of targeted editors. Because of this Sadko’s habit, I felt like I was walking through a minefield every time I came to edit, I would feel like I would be ambushed for sure. In the last six months, such behavior has intensified, so I noticed this and tried to leave hints in a few edited summaries, where Sadko appeared to be reverting my editing - suddenly they would appear just because of that. They tried to justify it with the "Watchlist", so I tried to explain to him that it was unlikely that his watchlist was alerting him, and that this could be easily checked. As I further complained, they also decided to take the initiative, specifically selecting the administrator and his TP where they [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EdJohnston/Archive_48#Behaviour complained] why I was not topic-banned as well, and regarding the topic-ban of another editor, insinuating some relationship between that editor and me. Needless to say, the administrator refused even a simple answer. But what bothered me the most was that even that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EdJohnston/Archive_48#Behaviour "report"] was created behind my back, without an alert so that I could defend myself if necessary. This raised the unpleasantness of my experience by another notch, and as I didn’t want to constantly have to look over my shoulder every time I wanted to contribute something to a project, I decided to contact him directly on his TP. I tried three times and was rejected each time in an impolite and aggressive manner, while my posts were immediately archived. So, whatever you have in store for Mikola, you should also check the other side, because even if their bad habits differ to some extent, they reflect on the community to the same undesirable effect.--[[User:Santasa99|'''౪ Santa ౪''']][[User talk:Santasa99|'''''99°''''']] 18:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:As I was writing my statement I did not see these additional ones written by Calthinus and Peacemaker. I would agree with Peacemaker in full. Both editors, Mikola and Sadko, are capable to contribute relatively good content when they want, with Mikola being even more consistent in that regard, in my opinion.--[[User:Santasa99|'''౪ Santa ౪''']][[User talk:Santasa99|'''''99°''''']] 19:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::I would also like if {{ping|Mikola22}} could reassure us that things [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&type=revision&diff=960561061&oldid=960493516&diffmode=source like these] (also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mikola22#Potential_canvassing noted by Sadko]) won't lead to some inappropriate collaboration with a banned user(s) somewhere outside project's pages, and that he can fully distance himself from invitations like these (above post is written in Serbo-Croatia and it needs translation, however it is fairly short and simple so machine trans. will suffice for whoever is interested--[[User:Santasa99|'''౪ Santa ౪''']][[User talk:Santasa99|'''''99°''''']] 19:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)).
:::{{ping|Mikola22}} there is no reason to be so disheartened and melodramatic, whatever happens here you will have the same treatment as any other user, and I may be overly optimistic, but this still does not necessarily mean that the resulting decision will be full enforcement with toughest and longest restrictions, but even such a full of enforcement would give you quite a bit of freedom to contribute and you would probably be given a chance for an appeal in the future. But first you should wait and see. Whatever happens, this should be a cautionary experience, hopefully for both Sadko and you.--[[User:Santasa99|'''౪ Santa ౪''']][[User talk:Santasa99|'''''99°''''']] 20:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

===Result concerning Mikola22===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*{{u|Mikola22}}, your responses are nearly 2000 words long. Please condense it to the essentials. Going a little over 500 is not a big deal, but that's much too long. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Mikola22}}, while in exceptional circumstances somewhat longer statements can be allowed, these are not such, and no one wants to read a massive wall of text to get to the important points. If you do not wish to condense your statement, it will be truncated at 500 words for you. The word limit is not a suggestion. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 06:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*{{u|Mikola22}}, if you ping me, you gotta link my username or I won't get an alert for it. I noticed it in passing this time, but next time I may not. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 05:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Mikola22}}, oh, okay. Yes, I knew this request existed, but have not reviewed it, mostly because of your statement's excessive length. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::*Thanks {{u|Peacemaker67}}, for looking into this matter. More depth and breadth from you would be welcome. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 08:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*{{u|Mikola22}}, {{u|Nicoljaus}} has not been "permanently banned." They have voluntarily retired and may, at their own discretion, resume their editing activity at any time. They also [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Griboski&diff=prev&oldid=963864873 deny] the socking claim. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 08:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::::*I would like to acknowledge and reaffirm {{u|Santasa99}}'s complaint about {{U|Sadko}}. Any substantive report by an editor to an admin requires notification (user talk page) of the editor featured in the complaint, no matter where the venue is. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 20:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
*I have substantial concerns with Mikola22's editing, especially in terms of bludgeoning, several edit summaries which could most charitably be described as "misleading", and aggressive interactions with other editors. However, on a review of some of the diffs presented here, Mikola22 is not the ''only'' editor who has these issues, either. (Not to mention that Mikola22 was [[WP:BLUDGEON|bludgeoning]] even ''this'' discussion; see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=963623158#Mikola22] prior to when I truncated the statement and responses since it was up to over 2300 words.) I would, based upon what is presented, be in favor of topic banning Mikola22 from the topic area, but I am not convinced that this alone will solve the issues present. I'll have to give that some more thought, or would be glad for any suggestions. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
* 1RR has not fixed the disruption Mikola22 causes in this area. It seems likely that a topic ban is necessary. I don't think he's the only one at fault, and I have reservations about effectively allowing one side in a dispute to remove another and thus "win", I'd be open to a limited exception allowing Mikola22 to log a single, neutrally worded request relating to others in this dispute, but it seems pretty clear to me that the complaint here has merit and that at least a timed TBAN of Mikola22 is warranted. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' ([[user talk:JzG|help!]]) 09:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
*{{u|Peacemaker67}}, you’re probably our most respected admin who edits in this area. Of course you’re welcome to add additional commentary. You might be involved from a content perspective, but I suspect most people here would appreciate your thoughts. So yes; whatever dispensation is needed you have :) [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 04:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

==Edithgoche==
{{hat|{{u|Edithgoche}} is cautioned to take more care in interactions, especially in sensitive areas covered by discretionary sanctions, and to refrain from [[WP:ASPERSION|casting aspersions]] against other editors. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC) }}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Edithgoche===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Aman.kumar.goel}} 06:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Edithgoche}}{{ds/log|Edithgoche}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:ARBIP]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tipu_Sultan&diff=prev&oldid=962304110 13 June]: Re-inserts his completely rejected edit even after gaining no consensus for his version per [[Talk:Tipu_Sultan#Tipu's_religious_policies_in_the_intro_vs_contents:_WP:CENSORED and WP:DUE violated]].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tipu_Sultan&diff=962262687&oldid=959189314 13 June]: Falsely accusing of censorship; "{{tq|RegentsPark don't censor this again citing}}"
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tipu_Sultan&diff=962330912&oldid=962327611 13 June]: Again, falsely accusing editors of [[WP:CENSOR]].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RegentsPark&diff=next&oldid=962335093 13 June]: Accuses RegentsPark of "{{tq|[[WP:ADMINABUSE]]}}" and provides zero evidence involving abuse of admin tools.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=962354804 13 June]: Starts a DRN, and notifies only one editor when there were more editors who have reverted and disputed his edits on this dispute. Here too, he alleges editors are making "{{tq|attempts to censor this [[WP:CENSORED]]}}"
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=962381600 13 June]: Assumes bad faith contrary to [[WP:AGF]] against established editors by claiming that "{{tq|the editors seem to be uncooperative for a discussion or purposely stalling}}".

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AEdithgoche One block for edit warring] involving the same article.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edithgoche&oldid=865378010#October_2018]


;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edithgoche&diff=955039269&oldid=885400839]

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :


Text-book example of [[WP:1AM]] and [[WP:SPA]] dedicated to [[Tipu Sultan]] for nearly 2 years. The above diffs provide clear examples of [[WP:EW]], [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:BATTLE]]. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 06:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

*'''Note''': I have decided to '''withdraw''' this report since Edithgoche has acknowledged some of the concerns I raised above about his editing and I would look forward to the improvements now. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 05:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEdithgoche&type=revision&diff=962643333&oldid=955039269]




===Discussion concerning Edithgoche===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Edithgoche====
*1) I was blocked for edit-warring in 2018, it was when I created the account new and had no idea of how wiki works. Since then I never did it again. We all make mistakes and learn from them, don't we?
:2) It is not accusing them of censor and adminabuse. It is failure on my part to apply the policies properly. Once I understood it I no longer do that. Apologies again, if any inconvenience caused.
:3)Before calling this a [[SPA]] please go through my edit history. I also made contributions to another area.
:4) [[Wikipedia:DRN_Rule_A]] says "Do not report any issues about the article or the editing of the article at any other noticeboards". Is it not a violation of the rule that I am being reported here?
[[User:Edithgoche|Edithgoche]] ([[User talk:Edithgoche|talk]]) 08:15, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by RegentsPark====
While I share Aman Kumar Goel's frustrations with Edithgoche, I think it may be premature to sanction them. Sure, they were throwing about dubious claims of adminabuse (which they did retract), censorship (also retracted) and due, but they have since engaged on DRN and, hopefully, will move forward constructively.--[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]]) 13:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Edithgoche===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*Per [[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]], recommend against sanctions at this time. But I do believe a warning is due. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*As there seems to be no substantial interest in sanctioning this editor even by others involved, will close with a warning as above. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Hölderlin2019==
{{hat|Request withdrawn by filer. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 04:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC) }}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Hölderlin2019===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Siddsg}} 13:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Hölderlin2019}}{{ds/log|Hölderlin2019}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan]] :


#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962527235 14 June] Removed reliably sourced content in violation of [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] even after being [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=962459857&oldid=959894686 warned against it].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962527379 14 June] Same as above diff.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962528083 14 June] Same as above diff.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962661944 15 June] Same as above diff.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962662124 15 June] Same as above diff.
#15 June: Violating [[WP:CANVASSING]] by canvassing editors he never interacted before.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sitush&diff=prev&oldid=962669816][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Joshua_Jonathan&diff=prev&oldid=962669877][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:I%E1%B9%A3%E1%B9%ADa_Devat%C4%81&diff=prev&oldid=962670936]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962674771 15 June] Doubles down with his blatant [[WP:OR]], [[WP:EDITWAR]] and misrepresentation of sources and using sources that don't even talk about any "homosexuality" even after warnings and discussion.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962674965 15 June] Same as above.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962686419 15 June] Again, doubles down with his blatant [[WP:OR]], [[WP:EDITWAR]] and blatant misrepresentation of sources.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962686486 15 June] Same as above.

He has already reverted more than 3 times on both articles in less than 24 hours even after warning.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=prev&oldid=962666521]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AH%C3%B6lderlin2019&type=revision&diff=962681255&oldid=962677556 This reply by him] even after hours of attempts to guide him to understand basic policies shows he is more willing to exhibit [[WP:CIR]] and [[WP:BATTLE]] than understand what [[WP:OR]], [[WP:CON]], [[WP:CANVASSING]] means. Instead it shows that he is more adamant to continue misrepresenting sources. [[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]] ([[User talk:Siddsg|talk]]) 13:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|RexxS}} It is not hard to find reliable sources for this subject which has been covered extensively by the academic sources. While WP:OR is allowed on talk page but not the main page, the argument on talk page also needs to be substianted with reliable sources than personal research if an editor wishes others to take their argument seriously. You should check the diffs from #7 - #10 where I have provided examples that how Holderlin2019 is double downing with his [[WP:OR]] and blatant misrepresentation of sources by adding his peprsonal research to the main article which are completely unrelated to homosexuality.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962686486] Now since "[[WP:OR|Wikipedia does not publish original thought]]", the only thing Hölderlin2019 could do was find the reliable sources throughouly supporting his argument but so far he has only demonstrated clear inability to understand what is OR. He is also engaging in [[WP:RGW]] since he is only finding problems with highly reliable sources without providing any rebuttal backed by other reliable sources as his own recent messages indicate.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=962970488&oldid=962969732][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&type=revision&diff=962980490&oldid=962979539] [[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]] ([[User talk:Siddsg|talk]]) 03:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Seraphimblade}} There are two articles in dispute, [[Hinduism and LGBT topics]] and [[Homosexuality in India]], and ultimately the information about [[Rigveda]] (which was written in present day India). Thus it falls under [[WP:ARBIPA]]. That said, I am not interested in seeking any sanction over this report now since enough suggestions have been made here, edit warring has been stopped and there are expectations that RSN discussion will bring the solution. [[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]] ([[User talk:Siddsg|talk]]) 03:36, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :


;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=962459857&oldid=959894686]



; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :


; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=prev&oldid=962688320]




===Discussion concerning Hölderlin2019===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Hölderlin2019====

Here’s a simple summary of this situation: a claim is being made, on multiple pages, that the Rigveda — an ancient Sanskrit volume of religious poetry — contains a particular phrase, “vikruti evam prakriti”, which allegedly means “what seems unnatural is also natural”, which is allegedly a statement about homosexuality.

The issue with this is that the phrase literally does not occur in the actual text of the Rig Veda, which renders irrelevant questions about what it might mean, or what the significance of that meaning may be. There is no controversy about this among Sanskritists: authoritative sources such as Monier-Williams and VB’s revised edition of Bloomfield’s concordance do not accept that this text occurs in the Rigveda. Neither does Jamison & Brereton’s recent authoritative translation and commentary. In fact, *no* academic source by a Sanskritist accepts that even two of the three constituent *words* of the phrase occur anywhere in the Rig Veda.

This fact, which anyone can verify for themselves by searching the publicly available text of the Rig Veda, is not OR. It reflects the universal understanding of Sanskrit and Vedic scholars, and is entirely consonant with their research output. I freely concede that none of my sources deal with homosexuality; there’s no reason that they should, since the question is whether or not a given phrase actually exists in a given text in the first place, and on that matter, the only authoritative sources are those which specialize in the translation and exegesis of that text, and in the language and culture in question. I have also not misrepresented any of my sources, and can only conclude from the claim that I have that the claimant is unfamiliar with the academic literature, and lacking in the competence necessary to understand what the literature establishes.

I have not breached 3RR on any of the articles in question, though this may not be clear from the diffs provided, since the same text occurs multiple times in multiple articles, and has been deleted and reinserted twice in each, though in separate, though sequential edits for each section in which it occurs. I have subsequently added text establishing that there is no support for the existence of this text among academic Sanskritists, while preserving the original language to which I object, and defended that language once. I will not edit further pending the establishment of consensus, but will note that there is no consensus for the inclusion of the challenged material in the first place.

The user who has filed this case misunderstands what OR is, and also CIR and generally the basic policies he presumes to “guide” me in. As regards canvassing, I have notified a handful of editors who routinely edit on India and Sanskrit - related topics; none of them, to my knowledge, have expressed a stance on this matter. I would like their thoughts, but have no prior knowledge of which side they are likely to take. I stand by the context I provided on the situation, but have preemptively removed it to ensure the pings are ‘neutral’. [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 14:00, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

::{{re|Vanamonde93}} I am nowhere interpreting the text of the Rig Veda, and I’m puzzled as to why you would think that I am. I am commenting that the string ’vikruti evam prakriti’, however it might be interpreted, does not occur in the Rig Veda. In fact, neither of the ''words'' ‘vikruti’ or ‘prakriti’ occur in the Rig Veda. This isn’t some original insight of my own. No Sanskritist would suggest otherwise. None of the sources in the articles provide the information necessary to locate it (academic sources on the Rig Veda index lines by book and hymn).

::Both Monier-Williams and VB’s revised edition of Bloomfield’s Vedic concordance — which are both foundational academic sources in academic Vedic and Sanskrit studies — attest that this language does not occur in the Rig Veda. They respectively catalogue the works in which each Sanskrit lemma is found, and both establish that ‘vikruti evam prakriti’ does not occur in the Rig Veda. These sources are being excluded from the articles in question on the grounds that they do not deal with homosexuality and are therefore irrelevant, which seems entirely bizarre — the question is not whether the verse refers to homosexuality; the question is whether or not the verse exists in the Rig Veda in the first place. It’s also unclear to me why sources that are not specialist academic works on either Sanskrit or the Rig Veda, and that do not themselves cite their claim that the Rig Veda contains this verse, are considered reliable ''to support this specific claim'', let alone more reliable than actual academic works on Sanskrit.

::Incidentally, which website have I linked whose reliability is questionable? [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 00:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:::{{re|Vanamonde93}}, {{re|RexxS}} My statements are not the result of ''my own'' search of the Rig Vedic corpus, although searching the Rig Vedic corpus oneself does establish it to be true. If that was a citation I had attempted to make in the article, I freely grant that it would be OR. Monier-Williams is considered reliable (it's one of the default sources) among Sanskritists for documenting attestation in a given Sanskrit work or body of works. Here is its entry for [https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php ''vikruti''], hosted at the Cologne Sanskrit Lexicon, which collates such resources and makes them available for research purposes. MW lists the texts or bodies of literature in which words are attested - if you hover your cursor over 'MBh.', you'll see 'Mahābhārata' pop up, establishing that the word 'vikruti' is attested in the [[Mahabharata]]. There is no such attestation for the Rig Veda; the same holds for [https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php prakriti]. Contrast, say, the word [https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php 'rājan'], archaic form of the word [[Raja]]. The 'RV' listed there indicates that ''this'' word is attested in the Rig Veda.

:::MW, of course, isn't a definitive concordance of the Vedas. ''That'' would be either VB Sastri's [[A Vedic Word Concordance|A Vedic Word Concordance]], or HUP's [https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674030800 Franceschini's revised version of Bloomfield's Vedic concordance], the searchable text of which is available [http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/VedicConcordance/ReadmeEng.html here], courtesy of [[Michael Witzel]] at Harvard. Neither of these works attest the phrase, or, for that matter, its constituent parts, in the Rig Veda. This same state of affairs prevails throughout the secondary literature, including all sources which seek to exhaustively catalogue the attestation of words and phrases in the Rig Veda. There are several, and none of them attest the existence the disputed text in the RV. The only sources which ''do'' claim that this text exists in the Rig Veda are either newspaper articles authored by journalists or others who are not scholars of the Rig Veda, or one or two academic sources which are on LGBT studies, which do not source the claims they make, and which I contend are not reliable sources ''in the context of making claims about'' the content of the Rig Veda or Sanskrit, ''especially'' if they contradict the actual scholarly work that exists on those matters. [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 02:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

::: {{re|Vanamonde93}} My preferred (and original) solution is not to gainsay sources in Wikipedia’s voice; it’s to exclude them (mitigating the need for gainsaying text) on the grounds that they are not RS ''for the specific claims being made'', given that they are not specialist works on the topic in question and are incompatible with the specialist works that do exist. [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 03:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:::: {{re|Vanamonde93}} I ''have'' thus far provided sources (although I'm happy to continue providing even more) - on the talk page, inline in the articles, and on my own talk page; the response has been that these sources are "irrelevant" because they do not specifically deal with homosexuality, despite the claim in question being a straightforward one about whether or not specific Sanskrit text is contained in the Rig Veda. See Siddsg's #7 in the original complaint and his comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=962983624&oldid=962982908&title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement here], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=962670336&oldid=962669355&title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019 here] - he's perfectly aware of what my sources are, but is unwilling to verify the claims I'm making in them because he, incredibly, refuses to accept that academic sources on the Rig Veda ''which are dedicated to documenting the attestation of words and phrases in the Rig Veda'' are relevant to determining whether or not specific text is actually in the Rig Veda because they do not discuss homosexuality (!) How am I supposed to have an editor verify the claims I'm making if their reaction is essentially IDONTLIKEIT? [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 04:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Vanamonde====
{{re|Hölderlin2019}} Regardless of the truth of your assertions, your justification for your edits leaves a lot to be desired. Interpreting the text of the Rig Veda is in fact original research, and not something editors should be doing. If you have reliable sources from reliable publishers supporting your assertion, then you need to demonstrate that; so far I've seen you provide links to a website whose reliability is questionable, and to an entire book. That isn't good enough. If the claim you're challenging hasn't actually been directly contradicted by the sources, then that's something you have to live with. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 20:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Hölderlin2019}} you're missing my point a little. We have some sources saying that a specific line appears in the Rig Veda, and interpreting that line in a certain way. Relative to this, your own search through the text of the Rig Veda carries little weight. If scholars of the Vedas have explicitly stated that the text in question is not in the Rig Veda, then you need to provide explicit evidence of that; I don't mean links to where they discuss the Rig Veda and fail to mention this line, or where they provide translations of the Rig Veda; I mean sources where they say "The Rig Veda does not contain this line". Short of that, everything you are doing is original research, even if (and this is critical) you are correct. The website I was referring to was [https://sanskrit.inria.fr/MW/163.html#prak.rti this one]; it may be reliable for specific translations to and from Sanskrit; but it's not reliable for the assertions you are making. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 01:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|RexxS}} That's a fair point, and one I'm aware of, so perhaps I ought to have said at the outset that I don't think sanctions are warranted here at the moment. My discomfort is with the approach Holderlin2019 has taken. Ordinarily, no one would need to prove a negative; but the trouble is there ''are'' sources making an assertion contrary to the one Holderlin2019 is making. As such, if we are to gainsay those sources in Wikipedia's voice, it needs circumspect discussion and careful perusal of the sources. Holderlin2019 has instead made sweeping assertions, without pointing to very many specifics. To be clear, I am not making any excuses for the other editors here; several of their behavior has been cause for concern on this noticeboard before; some more scrutiny of their editing pattern wouldn't go amiss. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 03:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Hölderlin2019}} Then that's something you need to establish consensus on the talk page for first, and that's something you can do by providing all your sources in a manner that other editors can check up on. Initially, you said a lot of things along the lines of "experts think differently", but other editors looking to verify that would have struggled. The details you provided above were a step in the right direction. I would suggest raising concerns at RSN as well, which you have now done. Just please don't edit-war over it before you've reached a consensus, and don't add sources to the article that don't support exactly what you're using them for (as in, don't just cite things because they don't have certain information). [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 04:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Hölderlin2019===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* {{re|Vanamonde93}} I think that you're expecting too much by asking Hölderlin2019 to prove a negative. It doesn't seem likely that scholars will compile a list of phrases that ''don't'' appear in the Rig Veda, so the sort of sources required to prove the negative won't exist. On the other hand, some works have [[variorum]]s and [[Concordance (publishing)|concordance]]s. Surely the absence of a particular phrase in one of those scholarly studies is sufficient proof that it does not appear in the original work? I'm not sure exactly what the sources Hölderlin2019 refers to (and a link or cite to a book would help), but if they are sufficiently comprehensive studies of the Rig Veda, then surely we can't fault Hölderlin2019 if he concludes that a particular phrase is absent from the work. We must remember that [[WP:No original research]] applies to article content, not talk page debate, and I don't feel it should be sanctionable to report on a talk page that a source makes a claim that is demonstrably untrue (even if the demonstration requires a full text search of the Rig Veda). That of course does not excuse the behaviour in the article, and the argument should have been confined to the talk page. Of course {{u|D4iNa4}} and {{u|Siddsg}} both reverted more than once on the other side of the edit war, so are equally culpable. I actually think this is fundamentally a content dispute which rests on whether Hölderlin2019's sources are reliable to support the contention that the phrase does not appear in the Rig Veda. I recommend [[WP:RSN]] to decide the underlying dispute. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 01:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*I am very hesitant to say that this falls within the scope of [[WP:ARBIPA]] to begin with. While certainly Hinduism is the majority religion in India, I think that stretches "broadly construed" farther than it goes, to say everything popular in India would be covered by it. On the flip side, Islam is heavily the majority religion in Pakistan, but I would not consider edits in regards to the Quran to be covered under ARBIPA DS because of that. So, I believe that Hindu religious texts are similarly outside the scope of what we can issue discretionary sanctions for in the ARBIPA area. If evaluated on the merits, this is a content matter, which should be resolved by evaluating the consensus of ''secondary'' reliable sources, not an asserted count of a word's occurrence within the original text itself. I also agree that [[WP:RSN]] would be a good resource for evaluating the reliability of the various sources available on the matter. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:27, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Mar4d==
{{hat|There exists substantial consensus amongst uninvolved administrators to lift the topic ban. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 21:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)}}
''Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Enforcement|here]]. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.''

''To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see [[WP:UNINVOLVED]]).''

; Appealing user : {{userlinks|Mar4d}} – '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 18:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

; Sanction being appealed : Topic ban from all edits and pages related to conflict between India and Pakistan, imposed at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive232#Capitals00]], logged at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2018]].

; Administrator imposing the sanction : {{admin|GoldenRing}}

; Notification of that administrator : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GoldenRing&diff=962910166&oldid=958427274]

===Statement by Mar4d===

I would like to humbly appeal for lifting a topic ban restriction which dates back to May 2018. The restriction in question was applied collectively amongst at least nine other editors at the time, with the option to appeal in 6 months' time, which I did not choose to exercise until now. More than the unfortunate circumstances which fostered the atmosphere for sanctions, I would like to focus here on ''why'' the sanctions had to be resorted to and ''what'' I personally take out of it.

I am cognisant of the fact that the sanctions were a result of several issues pertaining to [[WP:NOTBATTLE]]; and that individually, my conduct had been deemed sanctionable precisely because it fell under the ambit of this problem. If I were to reflect on how I've been able to respond and what I've learnt from this experience, my answer will be twofold:
* 1) Since the enforcement, I've made an effort to correct this by working actively, constructively and diligently on many other subjects, and have made thousands of edits in this respect. This includes writing, expanding or creating many articles within the Pakistan-India topic area objectively over the last several months without complaints. I have largely enjoyed doing this; and
* 2) I have strived to demonstrate and follow a conflict and confrontation-free path in the course of this editing, as a result of which I've been able to avoid any further sanctions or issues. I can confidently say this has affected me in a good way and has been a net positive personally.

As for the reason of why I'm making the request at this time, the most correct answer will be that the topic ban has been an impediment in being able to edit some existing articles of late, especially in cases where the subject may not even have the strongest of connections to the India-Pakistan conflict. I realised this most recently when I was writing an article on an ethnicity, and understood I could not expand it meaningfully as much of it involved writing about their migration during the [[partition of India]]. This is one instance among many other similar and broader examples.

25 months and a wiser yet [[Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot|cooler head later]], I am optimistic regarding where I stand {{smiley}}. Therefore, I am submitting this appeal and look forward to engaging in this arbitration request. Kind regards, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 18:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
: {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}}: With all due respect and without causing offence, this topic ban came into effect on 15 May 2018. Your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=866429548 first edit] to Wikipedia was not until [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Aman.kumar.goel 30 October 2018]. It would be disingenuous to say, therefore, what you know about these editing restrictions that I already do not know (!). While I'm personally glad that these diffs, some going back as early as August 2018, were only what you could find and dig in the many thousand edits that I have made since, I am lesser happy with the way you have selectively quoted and misrepresented them. In my defence, I'd like to discuss why your points, IMO, appear untenable and [[WP:AGF|not made in good faith]].

: You have mentioned indeed [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive999#User:Mar4d_reported_by_User:Mountain157|this ANI thread]] by {{u|Mountain157}}. You should also refer to the comments there by uninvolved editors. First, I'd like to correct that this thread was filed in December 2018, not "as recently as 2019." The filer, a two week old account, was seeking to restore contentious edits they had made across 3 separate articles ''not'' related to the India-Pakistan conflict or this TBAN. These edits were challenged by others. Mountain157 was [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive249#Mountain157|blocked indef in March 2019]] for, unfortunately, the very same articles alluded to in the ANI above. I don't know where you reached this conclusion that "most" editors (quote) were {{tq|"concerned enough about expanding the scope of the topic ban or block Mar4d indefinitely"}}. It would only seem that way when a few editors, who had not interacted with the filer nor edited the pages concerned, but were from the [[WP:ARBIPA|sanctioned topic area]] that you also edit in, chose to get involved. Two admins, {{u|Vanamonde93}} and {{u|Ivanvector}}, separately said a topic ban violation had not occurred and neither did the mudslinging go unnoticed ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=876184737 diff 1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=876021963 diff 2]). Nevertheless, I was advised to proceed cautiously which was duly noted. Ivanvector even [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=876313033 proposed sanctions] on the editors concerned, but both the proposal and the thread went inconclusive as you know. Yet, you have claimed below {{tq|"there was a clear agreement that Mar4d was violating the topic ban"}}.

:You have also linked to this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mar4d&diff=854922550&oldid=854552454 block] from August 2018, which TBH was the result of a misunderstanding, but strangely enough did not find it worth mentioning that the block was lifted by the enforcing admin {{u|BU Rob13}}. I was [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive301#Site ban proposal for User:NadirAli|not the only one]] affected by this. Please refer to my [[User_talk:Mar4d/Archive_18#August_2018|talk page here]] for details. '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 10:35, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:: In the second part of my response, I'd like to thank you for noting my contributions to [[Pathans in India]]. I have indeed written this article from scratch, and was in fact [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mar4d&diff=959825559&oldid=959825179 given a barnstar] by a WikiProject India editor who was appreciative of my efforts. I'm afraid to say you have a severe misunderstanding of the TBAN, which is for {{tq|"conflict between India and Pakistan."}} Please focus on this particular text. I have not edited, written or created any conflict-related items pertaining to Pakistan and India, or gone into its details. Merely mentioning the word "India" is not a TBAN violation; if you are under this impression, then you are mistaken and I would suggest seeking clarification from the admins above or {{u|RegentsPark}}, all of whom have clarified this on multiple occasions. I have no idea why you even mentioned [[Kashmir conflict]], given I never edited this subject. You've mentioned reverting a non-procedural and undiscussed page move where, again, neither the current content nor the edit is connected with the very specific topic of India's conflict with Pakistan. Please provide diffs to substantiate such accusations. I'd like to thank you at the same time for explaining my self-revert on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=next&oldid=951677985 this article] however, which was very much self-explanatory. Kindest regards, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 11:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::: {{u|El C}} Thanks. I'm happy to be corrected, but this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=956259277&oldid=954764015 page move] on 12 May relates to a human rights article concerning an ethnic minority in Bangladesh. {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}} has extrapolated this into the TBAN, but the article in question is not focused on the India-Pakistan conflict, or where, if at all, the former is exactly involved. The most peripheral connection perhaps could be that the current persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh is a reaction to the [[Bangladesh Liberation War]], which by ''extension'' links to the [[1971 Indo-Pakistani War|1971 Indo-Pakistan conflict]], but even that is a far stretch both semantically and content-wise, and not backed by Aman.kumar.goel's diffs. This was not my first edit to the article, as the edit history should show post-2013, and I had no intention in my mind whatsoever to change or affect remotely anything covering the India-Pakistan conflict when I performed this move.
::: A new user, YaRaabAlHind, stated the following to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=953946599&oldid=948453766 move] the name "Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh" to "Persecution of Stranded Pakistanis": {{tq|Bihari is just a general name for Urdu speakers in bangladesh}}. Apart from not providing a source, they did not follow the correct procedure obviously or leave a talk page note, hence the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=956259277&oldid=954764015 restoration] of the longstanding title. In the [[Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh|destination page]] of the Bihari article, the text or sources have not used this terminology. Should you happen to determine that my move there is incorrect, I'm more than happy to self-revert, although my opinion on it would still remain the same. I hope this explains my position. Cheers, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 19:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:::: {{u|El C}}: No problem; thank you. '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 20:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

* Hello again {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}}. You've said a few times now I'm misrepresenting sources, by virtue of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=960355264&oldid=960352848 this] edit which is sourced to [https://www.gatewayhouse.in/khans-hindi-film-industry/ this] column. While you haven't explained what this has to do with the TBAN, here's a passage from the same source: {{tq|The late progenitor, Prithviraj Kapoor, whose illustrious family is still in the movie business, is regarded a ‘Hindu Pathan’ by the film fraternity, but a family member clarifies that they are, in fact, Punjabi Khatris. This overlap in identity is probably due to his origins in undivided India’s Northwest Frontier Province, in the capital city of Peshawar, like his contemporary...}}
: If only you dedicated as much time to reading the text following it, you would've known I have provided not one but an ''umpteen'' amount of sources on the many [[Punjabis|Punjabi]]-origin celebrities from Peshawar identifying as "Hindu Pathans", with full in-text quotations. This is yet another misleading comment from your side. '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 20:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:: Folks, I guess I have said what I was going to say at this point. I don't think I have anything useful to add to the mostly off-topic insinuations or assumptions being made. [[:wikiquote:Distraction|'Tis all a distraction]]. If any admins ({{u|El C}} et. al) have further queries about my appeal or statement/s, please feel free to ping me. Thanks all, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 06:46, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by GoldenRing===

===Statement by Aman.kumar.goel===
As recently as 2019, there was an extended [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive999#User:Mar4d_reported_by_User:Mountain157|ANI thread]] where most participants were concerned enough about expanding the scope of the topic ban or block Mar4d indefinitely, and some were opposed to any action. But overall, there was a clear agreement that Mar4d was violating the topic ban, even after 1 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mar4d&diff=854922550&oldid=854552454 block for topic ban violation] in 2018.

His first edit to the article on [[Pathans in India]][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&oldid=959431357] which he himself created on 28 May 2020, is a violation of topic ban from "conflicts between India and Pakistan" given the edit mentions "partition" [[partition of India|of India]] two times on the first edit alone. The second sentence of [[Kashmir conflict]] article notes that "The conflict started after the [[partition of India]] in 1947". This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=959802676&oldid=959800864 30 May edit] is just more of the same violation.

This comes when Mar4d notes in his appeal that he is not able to write about a subject "{{tq|as much of it involved writing about their migration during the [[partition of India]]}}"; agreeing about the topic's close relationship with the existing topic ban, but nonetheless he continues to write about the partition.

This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 page move from 12 May] is a gross violation of the topic ban since the article greatly includes the details about [[Bangladesh Liberation War|a war]] in which India and Pakistan warred each other.

These edits are obviously not the only example where Mar4d has failed to stay away from his topic ban from India-Pakistan conflicts. This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=951677985&oldid=951053080 18 April] which removed a whole section about India-Pakistan conflict involved Kashmir was a topic ban violation, and even after Mar4d appeared to have self-reverted,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=next&oldid=951677985] I would still like to know how [http://www.asiantribune.com/node/93771 this source] supports the information which Mar4d added on his [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=prev&oldid=951683058 next edit] to the article.

I would recommend declining the appeal based on these facts because Mar4d has failed to stay away from the topic he is banned from. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 02:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

{{ping|El C|Black Kite}} The topic ban violations are all recent and fly in the face of the standard requiring at least 6 months of problem-free editing before appealing a topic ban. Aside from topic ban violations, I am seeing misrepresentation of sources in the recent edits of Mar4d to [[Pathans in India]]. A very simple example to demonstrate the misrepresentation of sources can be seen in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=960355264&oldid=960352848 this edit alone] since [https://www.gatewayhouse.in/khans-hindi-film-industry/ the source] used by Mar4d does not support the information he added in any way and in fact there is no mention of "ethnic" and "cultural" in the source. How would it be then wise to repeal the topic ban of this editor from a more contentious subject given his glaring inability to edit while adhering to the general wikipedia policies in a less contentious subject? '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 17:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|El C}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 This edit] falls under the scope of "conflict between India and Pakistan" since the article and the subject greatly deals with [[1971 Bangladesh genocide]], [[Bangladesh Liberation war]]. Similarly, these [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=959802676&oldid=959800864][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&oldid=959431357] edits about partition of India also fall under the same scope since [[Partition of India]] is the direct origin of conflict between India and Pakistan. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 17:54, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::Mar4d: That paragraph in [https://www.gatewayhouse.in/khans-hindi-film-industry the source] doesn't explicitly say that they do not identify as ethnic Pathans. It is only something that you have inferred in violation of [[WP:OR]]. It is related with the topic ban in the sense that it shows problems with your editing in the lesser contentious area than the one you are aiming to edit (India-Pakistan conflict).
::Per [[WP:BMB]], regardless of how Mar4d spins it, the page move of [[persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh]] is a violation of this topic ban. The reliable sources also describe the subject to be directly related with the India-Pakistan conflict and the persecution resulted in [[Bangladesh Liberation War]].[https://books.google.com/books?id=nC9-CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA404&dq=Persecution+of+Biharis+Bangladesh+liberation+war+1971][https://www.google.com/books/edition/Minority_Rights_in_South_Asia/yKCKe7J9Uq4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Persecution+of+Biharis+bangladesh+liberation+war&pg=PA101&printsec=frontcover] The partition of India into the secular but majority Hindu country of India and Islamic Republic of Pakistan "planted the seeds of hostility between the two nations" and this hostility instigated three wars.[https://books.google.com/books?id=tsU7UWGnXawC&pg=PA27&dq=partition+of+india][https://books.google.com/books?id=WuiimV6BiwMC&pg=PA37&dq=acrimonious+relationship+dating+back+to+the+partition+of+India+and+the+creation+of+Pakistan+in+1947] I find the edits about the partition to be an obvious violation of the topic ban. I don't see what can be a clearer definition of the topic ban violation than this. Now if there is still any doubt about the scope of the topic ban, then it would be much better to discuss the scope at [[WP:ARCA]] while keeping the appeal on hold. {{U|El C}}, what do you say? '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 05:17, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by Shashank5988===

Mar4d appears to be displaying the same [[WP:BATTLEGROUND|battleground]] mentality in his responses which got him topic banned in the first place. The topic ban violations have occurred fairly recently. The claim that Vanamonde93 agreed that "a topic ban violation had not occurred" is a misleading claim since he was supportive of expanding the topic ban.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=876434536]

It is clear that Mar4d is still not understanding the scope of the topic. I also note that he has not addressed that how [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=951683058&oldid=951682285 this edit] is supported by 2 of the sources he added because it seems clear that Mar4d has misrepresented the sources in that edit.

{{ping|RegentsPark}} You should move your comment to involved editors section since you are deeply [[WP:INVOLVED]] as you have frequently participated in same content disputes as Mar4d.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=814725083][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=663297331][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=754595900] The topic ban violations are not ambiguous [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 in this edit] because [[Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh]] is much about [[1971 Bangladesh genocide]] and [[Bangladesh Liberation War]], both are among one of the most important subjects falling under India-Pakistan conflicts. Editing about the partition of India is also violation of the topic ban, especially when the topic ban notes that "''further disruption or testing of the edges of the topic ban are likely to be met with either an indefinite IPA topic ban or an indefinite block''".[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=next&oldid=841350919] The topic ban wasn't supposed to be ignored but enforce the way it was imposed. Mar4d clearly does not understand the scope of his topic ban and is clearly not adhering to [[WP:NOTTHEM]] in his appeal but instead blaming others for any of the recurring problems with his editing. [[User:Shashank5988|Shashank5988]] ([[User talk:Shashank5988|talk]]) 13:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Vanamonde93====
The only one of the diffs that's seriously concerning is the page move, but even there, I see a violation made in good faith, rather than an attempt to skirt the ban or to further previous disputes. Color me unsurprised that Shashank5988 is thoroughly misrepresenting my comment at ANI, or that both he and Aman.kumar.goel are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find incriminating diffs. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 16:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Ivanvector====
I support lifting the ban, maybe you would say per [[WP:ROPE]] but I don't want this to come across as a discouraging comment. My usual metric for appeals of enforcement actions in this topic area is whether or not I keep seeing the sanctioned editor's name come up in disputes tangential to the topic, or in behavioural disputes in general; in Mar4d's case I absolutely have not, despite their continuing to be a prolific editor while sanctioned. I remain entirely unconvinced by the ideological enemies who have barely escaped sanctions themselves showing up to argue against their old foe, all the while whining about battleground mentality without a shred of irony.

I also don't know if we're supposed to use lv3 or lv4 headers for these statements. Someone feel free to correct me if I've done it wrong. [[User:PEIsquirrel|Ivanvector's squirrel]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|trees]]/[[Special:Contributions/PEIsquirrel|nuts]]) 19:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

:I'm also not particularly impressed that the two editors opposing the appeal seem to be out to collect their [[The Merchant of Venice|pound of flesh]] for entirely inconsequential violations which have already been corrected. We're [[WP:HERE|here to build an encyclopedia]], not to bear grudges and punish for the sake of punishment. [[User:PEIsquirrel|Ivanvector's squirrel]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|trees]]/[[Special:Contributions/PEIsquirrel|nuts]]) 19:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Mar4d ===
Totally misleading allegations using old diffs are being made here. Aman is forgetting that there was no India and Pakistan before the 'Partition'. Moreover, Shashank must know that India wasn't even a direct party in either [[1971 Bangladesh genocide]] or [[Bangladesh Liberation War]]. And if anyone here is following [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] approach, it seems to be Aman and Shashank.[[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 16:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

===Result of the appeal by Mar4d===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*I support repealing the topic ban. Topic bans are partly designed to show that an editor can edit constructively in other areas, and Mar4d has adequately demonstrated that. I'm not overly concerned by the diffs that Aman Kumar Goel provides above, the only concerning one was self-reverted by Mar4d and stuff does happen.--[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]]) 12:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*Once again, agree with [[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]]. Testing the waters by lifting the topic ban seems like it would be a worthwhile exercise in this instance. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Aman.kumar.goel}}, the scope of the topic ban extends to the "conflict between India and Pakistan." It is not [[WP:ARBIPA|IPA]] wide. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 17:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::*{{u|Mar4d}}, how do you respond to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 page move] {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}} brings up? [[User:El_C|El_C]] 18:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*{{u|Mar4d}}, thank you. I am satisfied by your explanation, overall, but I submit to you that the optics there are not that great. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 19:55, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*Concur with [[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]]. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 15:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:* I will also say that when I see people in a contentious area trying to get multiple other editors topic banned (or like in this case trying to prevent the topic ban being lifted), my attention tends to shift to ''their'' editing, rather than the people they are reporting. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 08:54, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
*I support lifting the topic ban. Mar4d has edited well while banned, which is exactly what we want to see. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 11:31, 19 June 2020 (UTC).
*Agree with my colleagues. Closing this as consensus to lift the ban. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]])
{{hatb}}

==Hijiri88==
{{hat|Email disabled and talk page access revoked by {{np|Guerillero}}. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 02:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)}}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Hijiri88===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|TH1980}} 19:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Hijiri88}}{{ds/log|Hijiri88}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Catflap08_and_Hijiri88#TH1980_and_Hijiri88_interaction_banned]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hijiri88&diff=prev&oldid=962873697 June 16] IBAN violation - making inaccurate statements about me on talk page and requesting another editor to make edits that would be in violation of Hijiri88's own IBAN

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
I was alerted by another user of troubling edits made by Hijiri88 on his talk page. In spite of our IBAN, he accused me of making "a false claim" on my previous topic ban appeal, though I didn't do so. He accused me of violating my IBAN on the article [[Korean influence on Japanese culture]], but that's impossible. Since the IBAN was imposed, he has only made one visible edit to the article, which was made years ago,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Korean_influence_on_Japanese_culture&diff=817966593&oldid=810486122] and I didn't modify that edit. He pinged an admin concerning my previous, now lifted, topic ban, even though this matter obviously isn't IBAN-exempt under BANEX rules. Also concerningly, he says "pinging Nishidani (talk · contribs) to see if anything can be done about the content of the recent IBAN-violating edits." It must be noted that Hijiri88 previously said in 2018, "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment&diff=870866770&oldid=870865984 the text might have been added by TH1980, and when I checked the history to confirm I had to email Nishidani to deal with it.]" In other words, this is (at least) the second time Hijiri88 has attempted to get around this IBAN by asking another user to edit in his stead. This is surely in violation of the spirit of the IBAN. What is the point of an IBAN if the other editor can just e-mail someone else to ask them to make edits for him? Hijiri88 has a long history of violating IBANs[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Catflap08_and_Hijiri88#Hijiri88_has_violated_the_interaction_ban_with_Catflap08] and this is surely just another case of that. [[User:TH1980|TH1980]] ([[User talk:TH1980|talk]]) 19:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hijiri88&diff=prev&oldid=962911465]



===Discussion concerning Hijiri88===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''

====Statement by Hijiri88====

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Hijiri88===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*I pulled their talk page access --[[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|Parlez Moi]] 17:02, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Hari147==
{{hat|Indefinitely [[WP:TBAN|topic banned]] from all pages related to [[India]], [[Pakistan]], and [[Afghanistan]], broadly construed. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 16:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC)}}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Hari147===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Vanamonde93}} 15:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Hari147}}{{ds/log|Hari147}}

;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard discretionary sanctions]]
; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tamil_Nadu&diff=prev&oldid=957199899 17 May 2020] adds an indic script to an article, contrary to [[WP:INDICSCRIPTS]] and contrary to the notice in the article telling them not to do so (visible in the diff).
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jammu_and_Kashmir_(union_territory)&diff=prev&oldid=957198911 17 May 2020] Removes sourced pronunciation guide at [[Jammu and Kashmir (union territory)]], with no explanation.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Congee&diff=prev&oldid=959732874 30 May 2020] claims that a dish cooked throughough south and east asia comes from India, without any sources to back this up.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rani_Padmini&diff=prev&oldid=945832550#Development_as_a_historical_figure 16 March 2020] Removes content that is appropriately sourced in the body, discrediting a widespread opinion among historians in doing so.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ayodhya_dispute&diff=prev&oldid=962290833 13 June 2020] Claims a long-running political dispute is over, with no sources to support his edit. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ayodhya_dispute&diff=prev&oldid=963193499 Repeats] the edit a few days later, without discussing the issue, despite having been reverted the first time.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=951065665 15 April 2020] An absolutely appalling response to {{U|331dot}}, who blocked them for edit-warring.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017_China%E2%80%93India_border_standoff&diff=prev&oldid=960288059 1 June 2020] changes "Status Quo Ante Bellum" to "Indian victory" with no sources and no explanation.
; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any : No previous sanctions under DS; three blocks and multiple warnings for disruptive editing.

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
*Alerted in December 2019 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hari147&oldid=932270902#Important_Notice] by {{U|Doug Weller}}

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
Honestly, given the diffs I've provided, the previous warnings and blocks, and the recent uploading of a copyrighted image [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/File:Chinese_president.jpg (Sorry, admins only) we're into territory where I would consider an indefinite block over a TBAN; but I think the latter is the minimum that's required. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 15:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Bishonen}} Not that I am aware. It's possible they've been told on a talk page somewhere, but I haven't seen it. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 16:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::<s>{{re|Beyond My Ken}} I rather suspect nobody saw it. It came after the 3RR report had been closed; I only found it because I was checking for past sanctions when filing this report. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 15:58, 20 June 2020 (UTC)</s> Strike that; {{U|331dot}} obviously saw it, because they [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=next&oldid=951065825 responded]; perhaps they let it slide as venting after being sanctioned. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 16:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHari147&type=revision&diff=963221214&oldid=960342252]

===Discussion concerning Hari147===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
*Why wasn't Hari147 blocked for that comment to 311dot? I know it's stale now, but why weren't they blocked at the time? [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 19:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Hari147====

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Hari147===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, do you know if Hari147 has previously been told about [[Raj era]] sources not being acceptable? They just added some text to [[Yadav]] today, sourced to a gazetteer from 1897 and a book from 1935.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yadav&diff=prev&oldid=963191513] I'm pinging {{u|Sitush}}, who reverted the edit. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 16:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC).
*I was wondering about that ''tactical Chinese versus Indian victory'' edit warring yesterday when I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017_China%E2%80%93India_border_standoff&type=revision&diff=963145025&oldid=963144727 restored] the stable version. I tend to agree with {{u|Vanamonde93}} that we may have a problem here which is best addressed by sanctions. Oh, and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=951065665 message] to 311dot is so beyond the pale, I don't even know what to say about that. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
* I would support, at a minimum, an indefinite topic ban from the IPA topic area. The [[Special:Diff/951065665|message to 331dot]] is a [[WP:NPA|personal attack]], and the remaining diffs show a pattern of [[WP:DE|disruptive editing]] in the topic area. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 00:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
* Support indefinite topic ban from the IPA area. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
* Support indef topic ban from IPA topics. The personal attack, and the repeated attempts to define who won what, are troubling.--[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]]) 16:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Airavan==
{{hat|Indefinitely blocked as a normal administrative action. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 08:13, 21 June 2020 (UTC)}}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Airavan===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|RexxS}} 01:06, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Airavan}}{{ds/log|Airavan}}

;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan #Standard discretionary sanctions]]

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it : Multiple examples of adding or reinserting unsourced content, or unreliable [[Raj era]] sources (multiple RSN debates have concluded they are unreliable, for example see [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_172#Are_British_Raj_ethnographers_unreliable.3F]]

# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962980579&oldid=962978276 17 June 2020] Restores completely unsourced section. Personal attack in edit summary: ''Please stop editing a page that you have no clue of. Maybe you are a very intelligent smartass in your country but please keep your nose out of this page. The information provided under post-titular contains only two paragraphs and they are about the current members of the family who don’t have books, articles and journals published on their name. But they contain true information and there are news article that literally describe the coronation of the king in 2013. So ple''
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962980764&oldid=962980579 17 June 2020] Restores puffery, sourced to a newspaper,. Personal attack in edit summary: ''Editing and removing content despite it having a valid reference is bullying. Stop racism stop bullying''
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962983136&oldid=962981915 17 June 2020] Adds a huge table, sourced to unreliable 1939 [[Raj era]] source
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962986222&oldid=962984950 17 June 2020] Removes a valid {{tl|unreliable source}} tag (source is dated 1903 = Raj era)
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mihirbhoj&diff=963474257&oldid=963472605 20 June 2020] Personal attack on me at [[User talk:Mihirbhoj]]: "We know some People do fake Black lives matter protests to SHOW OFF. Everyone knows how fake some people are. They do Systematic racism, target one page that they don’t know anything about and misuse their admin role and just edit and scribble only on this one wiki page."
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mihirbhoj&diff=963475860&oldid=963474257 20 June 2020] A further personal attack on me at [[User talk:Mihirbhoj]]: "Go kiddo, read that book by the Odisha Govt and you will find all kings mentioned in the table. And don’t come back with your little head until you have finished reading it. Don’t know how some **** become admins, I’m better than you. LOL."

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Airavan&oldid=963429043 Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months].

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint
: In May 2020, I posted at [[Talk:Kingdom of Jeypore]] that the article had been bloated with unreliable sources and {{u|Abecedare}} agreed, giving an analysis of some of the challenged sources. Two days ago, I signalled my intention to start removing content sourced to unreliable sources.
: This has been thwarted by two editors, {{u|Airavan}} and {{u|Mihirbhoj}}, who have repeatedly re-inserted the disputed content, sourced to newspapers or TV channels or Raj era sources (and in some cases completely unsourced). The whole article is currently a hagiography and needs [[WP:TNT]].

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Airavan&diff=963481678&oldid=963429043 Notification]

===Discussion concerning Airavan===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Airavan====

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Airavan===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* Airavan's [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] in these edit summaries are unambiguously unacceptable, and the diffs show that their edits frequently contain violations of the [[WP:V|verifiability policy]]. Considering that Airavan has made comments indicating that they are unlikely to be receptive to feedback from other editors, I recommend an indefinite topic ban from the IPA topic area (at a minimum). — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 02:03, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
** I've blocked Airavan for 1 week for the personal attacks as a normal administrative action, but still recommend the indefinite topic ban. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 02:28, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*** I used a duration of 1 week because it was Airavan's first block, but considering that a high proportion of Airavan's 16 edits violated policy, I would also support extending the block to indefinite. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 07:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
*Another day, another indefinite [[WP:ARBIPA|IPA]] topic ban recommended. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 03:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:*Yes, [[User:El_C|El_C]], but I don't recommend it for this editor. Did you see those completely ridiculous attacks on RexxS, otherwise known as "kiddo", at [[User talk:Mihirbhoj]]? I recommend an '''indefinite block'''. Strongly. Why witter about with topic bans when there's no indication anywhere that there's a decent editor in there trying to get out? It's not as if they've shown any sign of being interested in editing outside the ipa area. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC).
::*Note also, [[User:Tumsabkimaakichutsss|Tumsabkimaakichutsss]], created yesterday for the purpose of harassing RexxS, is surely Airavan's sock. Has also edited [[Kingdom of Jeypore]]. Incidentally, I've indeffed [[User:Mihirbhoj]], mentioned above, who just complemented his general disruption with vandalism targeting Sitush.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sitush/Draft-article_on_Francis_Preston&diff=prev&oldid=963552611]. Man, American politics is a picnic compared to this area. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 07:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC).
{{hab}}

==Marvin 2009==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Marvin 2009===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|PatCheng}} 13:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Marvin 2009}}{{ds/log|Marvin 2009}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Falun Gong]]

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

*Note that Marvin 2009 now go by the name Precious Stone as a signature, but his user name remains Marvin 2009.

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961121886 6 June 2020] Engaged in soapboxing, and proceeded to remove [[WP:SPA]] labels in a discussion page.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961979714 11 June 2020] Blanking the [[Falun Gong]] article page, accusing it of being biased, removing sourced material and and also misusing the Citation Needed tag over sources he dislike. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&oldid=961990803 Warned] by admin [[User:Doug_Weller]] as a result.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doug_Weller&diff=962211243&oldid=962154664 June 12 2020] In regards to Doug Weller's warning, he claimed that his previous warnings were the result of "biased activists", highlighting his battleground mentality. Further [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doug_Weller&diff=next&oldid=962213302 warned] by admin [[User:El_C]].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960540906 June 3 2020] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960741985 June 4 2020][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960906663 5 June 2020][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960931781 June 5 2020] In a timespan of 48 hours, continued to insert and revert a paragraph suiting his POV, including several that fail [[WP:RS]] such as a Forbes contributor site and the personal site of a conservative activist. A [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive410#User:Marvin_2009_reported_by_User:Horse_Eye_Jack_(Result:_) 3RR case] was filed against the user but seem to have gone stale.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=960990334&oldid=960985679 June 6 2020] Suggested another editor of being a Wumao (paid editor by the Chinese government).
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=960993079&oldid=960991116 June 6 2020] Same as above, using an article from [[The Washington Times]] to suggest that the editor was paid.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=961055307&oldid=961008997 June 6 2020] Attempted to link supposed pro-CCP edits with real life Chinese spying, suggesting a moral obligation to out them.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=961126817&oldid=961101809 June 6 2020] Further suggestions that other editors are Chinese spies, using real life spies being caught as an examples.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=961261955&oldid=961171193 June 7 2020] More accusations of other editors of being biased against him and FLG.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Marvin_2009&oldid=287199362 May 1 2009] This old edit on his user page, as well as since deleted uploads [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marvin_2009/Archive_1#File_source_problem_with_File:09Vocal_ECard_V3.jpg] showed that he attempted to advertise for Falun Gong affiliate [[New Tang Dynasty TV]], possibly violating [[WP:SPA]], [[WP:COI]], and [[WP:PROMO]].

The following were raised in my previous request:
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=902088103 16 June 2019] In my June 2019 ANI case, he dug up some of my old edits, and together some random news articles, engaged in soapboxing and slyly suggested that I'm a CCP spy, and that my behavior on Wikipedia of being "against the freedom of belief and the freedom of expression, those pillars of modern civilization".
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=898278458 22 May 2019] Soapboxing about the evils of CCP in a RFC comment about number of FLG members.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=894715446 29 April 2019] Similar soapboxing on talk page, attempting to discredit sources critical of FLG.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=890300310 31 March 2019] Calling for the removal of Chinese government sources, using a US-funded NGO as evidence.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=890298087 31 March 2019] Same as above.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shen_Yun_Performing_Arts&diff=prev&oldid=889666730 27 March 2019] Further soapboxing, accusing another user of being "50 Cent Party" (a slur against users deemed pro-CCP).
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=894380073 27 April 2019] Accused another user of being a "CCP apologist".
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive301#User:Marvin_2009_reported_by_User:STSC_(Result:_blocked) 7 February 2016] Previously engaged in 3RR violations and demonstrated a clear disregard of WP policy, launching a 3RR case against the user who reported him [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive301#User:STSC_reported_by_User:Marvin_2009_(Result:_stale/no_violation)].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=694018631&oldid=694017607 6 December 2015] Accusing other users in the 3RR case of being "CCP sympathizers".

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=694040609&oldid=693992099 6 Dec 2015] 48 hour block for edit warring

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&oldid=709022866 March 2016] By Happymonsoonday1
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&oldid=903437249 June 2019] By MrClog

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
Marvin 2009 almost exclusively edit the contentious Falun Gong articles, pushing a POV that favors the practice. I previously filed a case against this particular editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive253#Marvin_2009 in 2019], noting his problematic editing behaviors. He was warned by admins about the discretionary sanctions per [[WP:ARBFLG]], but it's obviously that his behavior has not improved in the year since. Marvin 2009/Precious Stone displays a shocking lack of [[WP:COMPETENCE]] in his edits at Wikipedia, including problems with [[WP:NPOV]], [[WP:CIVIL]], [[WP:AGF]], [[WP:RS]], [[WP:SOAPBOX]], [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] and possibly [[WP:COI]]. I felt that a topic ban might be warranted due to his continued edit warring and disruptive accusations against other editors on contentious articles such as Falun Gong.
:@Pudeo's comments: I have taken a self imposed [[WP:BREAK]] and [[WP:VANISH]] from WP for over a decade due previous bad experiences and not willing to be caught up in arguments and edit wars, plus some real life health issues. I still read WP, and I have noticed that the Falun Gong articles, despite having two arbitration cases [[WP:ARBFLG]][[WP:ARBFLG2]], over the decade seemed to be worse to wear with more and more single purposes accounts showing up. Marvin's behavior, especially his less than civil attacks against other editors, is what drove me to file the complaint. Furthermore, I do not edit Chinese WP, and only noticed User:Wetrace's edit patterns upon visiting the corresponding Chinese WP article for additional sources.
:@BlueCanoe's comments: Using real life politics to indirectly infer that certain editors are CCP agents still breaches [[WP:CIVIL]], not to mention WP is not a soapbox for politics per [[WP:SOAP]].
:@Admin Guy's comment: The editing tool is misleading in context. The only Falun Gong related article I have edited since I returned to Wikipedia is The Epoch Times, where I was commended for adding better sourcing to the article. As such I felt it's a false equivalence to compare me with Marvin, particularly since I avoided mass reverting of articles and battleground mentality in the talk pages, and I made efforts to seek outside opinions on sourcing.
:@Marvin's comments: Your responses here demonstrates lawyering [[WP:PLAYPOLICY]] and a clear battleground mentality, and the fact that other editors may not have clean hands doesn't change your behavior which you continually attempt to justify, including calling my evidence "fake" right here, and that it's some "plot" against you. I called out your behavior in particular because they are in contradiction to WP policy, and you don't see me going after other pro-FLG editors (who while having ideological biases, at least attempt to adhere to WP policies and open to discussion). FYI, what the editor did to the CBC article was using the Wayback Machine to synthesize an argument which contradicts [[WP:NOR]], when the editor's note is clearly on the current article, so I reverted it.

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=963560070&oldid=963000686]



===Discussion concerning Marvin 2009===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Marvin 2009====
=====Communication with admin Seraphimblade=====
{{ping|Seraphimblade}}, you wrote that you think some of my editing are a cause for concern. Before banning, could you let me know and I will try to clarify or explain any specific concerns you have?
I think there are several other editors whose edits also needs to be looked at too, because this is not a one-sided dispute between only two editors. [[user talk:Marvin 2009 |Precious Stone]] 00:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

{{ping|Seraphimblade}}, i had not intention to delete Guy's words at all. I did not see these words, nor delete them. when clicking publish changes, somehow there was no reminding of editing conflicts. sorry about it anyway. will answer your other questions soon. [[user talk:Marvin 2009 |Precious Stone]] 01:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

{{ping|Seraphimblade}}:
Thanks for letting me know the issues you are concerned about. Here is my reply:
* I did not know about the rule “Your username should be in your signature”. Now I learnt it from you. Will follow. Thanks.
* I do not think I have been edit-warring, not even 1RR. On the FLG article, my first four edits this year were conducted on June 3 to 5 - three days. Each time there were new contents added or modified and there were discussions on the talk page in terms of how {{User|Bloodofox}}'s and user {{User|Horse Eye Jack}}'s edits failed with WP:V, WP:NOR, etc. I did not remove sourced materials, but addressed the misrepresented contents. But all of my four edits were reverted.
* I noticed [[WP:ARBFLG]] shows activists tried to promote their views on FLG related articles.
<blockquote>Principles
Wikipedia is not a battleground
1) Wikipedia is a reference work. Use of the site for ideological struggle accompanied by harassment of opponents is extremely disruptive.
:''Passed 8 to 0 at 06:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a soapbox
2) Wikipedia is not a soapbox for propaganda or activist editing.
:''Passed 8 to 0 at 06:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Consensus
3) Wikipedia works by building consensus through the use of polite discussion. The [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment|request for comment]] process is designed to assist consensus-building when normal talk page communication has not worked. Sustained edit-warring is not an appropriate method of resolving disputes, and is wasteful of resources and destructive to morale.
:''Passed 8 to 0 at 06:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Point of view editing
6) Users who engage in disruptive, point of view editing may be banned from affected articles or in extreme cases the site. Other remedies such as revert parole may be used to assist an editor to contribute in a more collaborative manner.
:''Passed 7 to 1 at 06:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Neutral point of view
7) [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]] requires fair representation of all significant points of view regarding a subject.
:''Passed 7 to 0 at 06:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Samuel Luo
8) {{userlinks|Samuel Luo}} is a [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/12/18/MNGGAG8MO31.DTL%20%20 prominent anti-Falun Gong activist] who operates http://exposingthefalungong.org/. He has engaged in edit-warring ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suppression_of_Falun_Gong&diff=118031394&oldid=117942670], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suppression_of_Falun_Gong&diff=117942452&oldid=117868033], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suppression_of_Falun_Gong&diff=108872005&oldid=108835769], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suppression_of_Falun_Gong&diff=108642033&oldid=108592376], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=102766099&oldid=102711818], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=96137312&oldid=96116607], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=95636120&oldid=95597685], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=95559851&oldid=95548791], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Li_Hongzhi&diff=97078187&oldid=97059594], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Li_Hongzhi&diff=96770012&oldid=96751887]) to promote a viewpoint consistent with his outside activism.
:''Passed 8 to 0 at 06:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Tomananda
9) {{userlinks|Tomananda}} has engaged in edit-warring ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Epoch_Times&diff=107604569&oldid=107574953], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Epoch_Times&diff=107173261&oldid=107115377], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Epoch_Times&diff=106995127&oldid=106976628], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Epoch_Times&diff=106947046&oldid=106898996], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Epoch_Times&diff=106262101&oldid=106244467], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Li_Hongzhi&diff=79074505&oldid=79018478], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Li_Hongzhi&diff=75455228&oldid=75435008], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=92661371&oldid=92637357], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=78881664&oldid=78709690]) and attempts to use Wikipedia for ideological struggle and advocacy ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Epoch_Times&diff=107362540&oldid=107303371], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Criticism_and_controversies_about_Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=89343467], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong/Archive16&diff=prev&oldid=71875806]).
:''Passed 7 to 1 at 06:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC) "</blockquote>
I am impressed how ARBFLG applied the principle, and do think this guideline should be followed. However I never said who was an agent and did not specifically say who was an activist. In reality, you can see that I am the one who was constantly attacked and reported by the users who had histories edit-warring or being blocked. Take the two users who reported me this month for example, based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye_Jack#Critical_and_Final_Warning another user' summary of Horse Eye Jack's record], it seems that {{User|Horse Eye Jack}}’s labeling, reporting and attacking others, including me, is not a coincidence; while [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:PatCheng Pat Cheng had been blocked for 6 times due to some terrible reasons]
In these recent editing, I can not find any intentional mistakes on my part, yet i was reported by User Horse Eye Jack to AMER and am reported by Pat Cheng here. I am concerned the motives behind the users who reported me or warned me. I worry that it is related to my efforts in following WP:ARBFLG and preventing activism. If you are interested in this topic, I will get into the details.

* For a page under DS, I thought a major change to a stable page, would require some discussions or even consensus first. That is an understanding I have. If I am wrong, I will follow the correct way.
* Nevertheless, I did not do the restoration in my first four edits. What i did was as you mentioned:"''everyone may edit, and if anyone else disagrees, discussion then is the way forward.''" In my first 4 edits, I respected User Bloodofox's edit and did not remove materials, but addressed the misrepresented contents as i discussed in the talk page. But all of my four edits were reverted by Horse Eye Jack and Bloodofox.
* For the fifth edit on June 10, I adjusted "extreme-right" to "right-wing" and clearly stated that were reported by NYT & NBC, based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Falun_Gong#%22Extreme-right%22 a discussion on June 5].
* For the sixth edit, I moved the newly created first section “Shen Yun, ''The Epoch Times'', and political involvement ” by {{User|Bloodofox}} to the overseas Falun Gong section; as the origin section was at the first and those groups were overseas falun gong groups, the moving makes more sense. But it was changed back by {{User|Bloodofox}} . After that, {{User|Horse Eye Jack}} also reverted my fifth edit, which had gone through a discussion with no disagreement where it was stated that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Falun_Gong#%22Extreme-right%22 “I feel it is not a good idea to mislead that NYT and NBC associated the ET with extreme-right, so we should make it clear.”]
* At that point, I restored the article to the status in the May before Bloodofox’s change, which was my seventh edit on the article. All my 7 edits including this one were meant to try improve the quality of the article. So the reason that I restored the status prior to the major change of the leader section in May, was not “''simply for not being discussed in advance.''” If you can go to check the editing history, you will be able to verify this.
Thanks for your patience. If you have further questions, please let me know. I also hope i can get the required time to comment on Pat Cheng's 20 + accusations against me and to comment on admin JzG's opinion.
[[user talk:Marvin 2009 |Precious Stone (Marvin 2009)]] 05:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

=====Reply to User Pudeo's comment =====
: Thanks User Pudeo for your spending time on this.
: Indeed, Pat Cheng reported me twice one year ago. Now it comes again after one year.
: The 10 accusations Pat Cheng put out are far away from the truth. I am going to address all Pat Cheng's 20 + accusations, which will take some time.
: This year, Pat Cheng also included 9 points his previous accusations in last year's AE report, which were addressed in my reply to his ANI report (that was why I did not respond to the AE report last year) . While negating all untrue attacks, my reply last year also recognized sometimes my reply on discussion pages were a bit long and unnecessary and I would try to improve in this area. Since then, my discussions on article talk pages have been disciplined well - no unnecessary long talk on article page any more. I feel it is an improvement on my end. [[user talk:Marvin 2009 |Precious Stone]] 00:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

=====Responses to User Pat Cheng's fake accusations =====
Those accusations from PatCheng above were false. Below are my responses point by point, in which I tried to shed light on what really happened.
: 1. The claim 1 is 6 June 2020 Engaged in soapboxing, and proceeded to remove WP:SPA labels in a discussion page
: The first half is fake. The referred edit was to remove the wrongfully SPA tag User Horse Eye Jack added to multiple users (on the Falun Gong talk page) who disagreed with his edits on the article. This was not soapboxing. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye_Jack#Critical_and_Final_Warning As one user summarized], it seems that Horse Eye Jack’s labeling and attacking others, including me is not a coincidence. Yes, I removed those wrongfully added SPA signs for preventing the attack. I provided the detailed explanation of my edit in the summary.
: 2. The claim 2 is“11 June 2020 Blanking the Falun Gong article page, ….
: The refered edit shows I did not blank the Falun Gong article page at all. Please review my detailed response to admin Doug https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller#Re:_June_2020
: 3. The claim 3: “June 12 2020 In regards to Doug Weller's warning, he claimed that his previous warnings were the result of "biased activists", highlighting his battleground mentality. Further warned by admin User:El_C.”
: I did not say “the warnings were the result of "biased activists”” as PatCheng claimed. My words were “Yes, I received warnings in the past. My impression is that ''most'' warnings were not factual and were from activists who promoted their views with original research on related pages, i tried to prevent them and was threatened by warnings.” I used a word most at that time.
: After seeing Pat Cheng’s report here, I went to count and found that there are altogether 8 warnings on my talk page. 6 of them were from User STSC [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ASTSC who was blocked twice]. STSC's warnings were over the editng disargeements with me.
: For the other two warnings, one was from Binksterent and the other only left warning is from Doug Weller regarding Falun Gong page. Both were involved in the editing to those related pages. I do not think those are impartial warnings. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ABinksternet Binksterent had been blocked 10 times] and had over the disputes on Epoch Times page with me in 2016.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marvin_2009/Archive_1#January_2016 Binksternet’s warning was refuted by another user]. As to admin Doug’s warning, I tried to explain to him with the detailed circumstance info around my restoring edit, but have not got a substantive reply from him yet. Yesterday in my communication with admin Seraphimblade, i further explained the context surrounding my edit on June 10. i still have reserveation regarding this warning, and will talk more about it in a seperate post.
: From Admin User:El_C’s words on Doug’s talk page responding to my message, my understanding is that El_C was mainly explaining the policy that since admin Doug as an involved editor would not block me, but other admins including himself will block me in case of me continuously reverting afterwards. It was stating a policy that Doug has explained, not a formal warning.
: Indeed, PatCheng launched multiple cases against me since last year, so some messages on my talk page were from PatCheng, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:PatCheng who had been blocked 6 times for vandalising, racist attacks, personal attacks, etc.] From last June to this June, somehow I became PatCheng’s target and have been reported by this user three times with numerous false accusations, which created a lot of pressure for me, I feel it is a kind of personal attack or persecution with a motive to push the user’s agenda and silencing different views from reliable sources on Epoch Times and Falun Gong related page. I will address in a separate post with evidences and supporting differences. I urge ARB not to fall for Pat Cheng’s plot.
: 4. Claim 4: In a time span of 48 hours, continued to insert and revert a paragraph suiting his POV, including several that fail WP:RS such as a Forbes contributor site and the personal site of a conservative activist.
: I addressed this topic in the ANER response as well as mentioned in the RSN response. It was provided with 6 sources, not my POV at all. I did not know that the Forbes site and another might fail RS in the beginning. Even if that is the case, the other 4 sources still support the material. As there are numerous other RS that reported similar info, one can easily verify the materials from the 4 reliable sources and other RS.
: 5.Claim 5 -9 were false. I did not suggest “another editor of being a Wumao (paid editor by the Chinese government). I was the one who was accused for COI, so I provided some real-life examples to show what COI would look like. I did not suggest any one was a CCP spy.
: 6.As to claim 10, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye_Jack#Re:_Conflict_of_interest I answered a few weeks ago.]
: 7.As to PatCheng’s previous ARBCOM case against me, i.e. the 9 points of the previous requests. They were all clearly addressed in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=902095134&diffmode=source#User:Marvin_2009 my replies] to the user’s ANI case last year. So I did not say anything more in the user’s ARBCOM case last year and would not do that either this year.
: 8.As for the 6 Dec 2015 48 hour block for 3RR that was reported by STSC who was himself blocked one time in 2010 and the other time in 2017: Yes. I was blocked for 48 hours in 2015. I accepted it. However, I do think that the reverting times were not calculated carefully by the reviewing admin; otherwise he or she might find STSC was the one who violated the rule. PatCheng mentioned this 3RR case over and over again last year. Now here goes PatCheng again? How about that PatCheng was blocked 6 times? [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Epoch_Times&diff=962653896&oldid=962649278 How about PatCheng's claiming the quoted content from a CBC report as OR]?
: 9.As to the Epoch Times article's DS alert in 2016 on my talk page, I might have not noticed, but since 2016 I have not edited the Epoch Times article anyway. As to the DS alert added last year, I try to remeber the DS alert while editing related articles since then.

Above is my comments in response to Pat Cheng's accusations. I still need time for preparing the separate post mentioned as well as replying to admin JzG's opinion. [[user talk:Marvin 2009 |Precious Stone (Marvin 2009)]] 05:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (Horse Eye Jack)====
I’ve encountered the same problems with Marvin 2009 re POV pushing, threats, and aggression. They spammed my talk page with the copy-pasted discussions from their talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Horse_Eye_Jack&diff=961505393&oldid=961370286][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Horse_Eye_Jack&diff=961370286&oldid=960598539] which remains a unique form of disruption, never seen anyone else do that. After I pointed out to them back in the day that they appeared to be an SPA only interested in the FG space they developed an intense interest in refrigeration although the quality of editing didn't improve (they were still adding unsourced information). I note that in out COI discussion they repeatedly said they had never been paid for their edits but never addressed the other aspects of COI, they appear to believe that without direct payments its not COI. [[User:Horse Eye Jack|Horse Eye Jack]] ([[User talk:Horse Eye Jack|talk]]) 15:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:I tagged SPA’s as SPA’s if you disagree with my tag you are welcome to do so... On the appropriate talk page, not here. There is no debate that Marvin 2009 was a SPA when I tagged them. Given that you also appear to have a problematic edit history in regards to FG related topics I would watch it lest you get [[WP:Boomerang|Bommeranged]] by your participation here. [[User:Horse Eye Jack|Horse Eye Jack]] ([[User talk:Horse Eye Jack|talk]]) 22:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:Even if PatCheng is sketchy the core point stands... Marvin 2009 is clearly [[WP:NOTHERE]], I’ve discussed bringing them here with other editors before. [[User:Horse Eye Jack|Horse Eye Jack]] ([[User talk:Horse Eye Jack|talk]]) 22:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by TheBlueCanoe====
At some point this dispute (the broader dispute) should probably be punted to ArbCom. But with respect to this application, the filing editor certainly has an unusual history: no edits since 2006, and then they return with unusual precocity and an apparent axe to grind.

It looks like the OP is really reaching here. Some examples:

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961121886] OP accuses Marvin 2009 of [[WP:Soapboxing]]. I don’t see any soapboxing. I see Marvin undoing a talk page edit by [[User:Horse_Eye_Jack]], in which the latter had erroneously tagged every editor who disagreed with him as an SPA. Marvin 2009 was probably in the right here.

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961979714] – OP accuses Marvin 2009 of blanking content. The context is important: Marvin is undoing significant changes that had failed to gain consensus on the talk page. Although the material was sourced (badly, in some cases), it appeared to fail WP:NPOV, WP:LEAD, WP:WEIGHT, and possibly WP:V. Reverting an edit that being contested on the talk page is not, by itself, sanctionable behaviour.

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Marvin_2009&oldid=287199362] - OP says Marvin 2009 was trying to “advertise” for a Falun Gong-affiliated organization by, what…creating a page, whose content we can’t see? We can't draw inferences about an editor's intentions based on a deleted media file.

To the charge that Marvin was accusing others of being pro-Chinese government agents, I’m not seeing it in the diffs provided. I don’t know what the context was, but talking about the existence of a 50 cent army, and noting that the Chinese government engages in international influence campaigns, may be a legitimate matter for discussion. As long as he’s not making unsubstantiated allegations about specific editors, which doesn't seem to be the case (unless I missed it). [[User:TheBlueCanoe|'''TheBlueCanoe''']] 21:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Pudeo====
What's up with the OP making no edits at all for 12 years and 8 months (2006-2019), and then his first edits are reporting Marvin 2009 to ANI and AE in June 2019? Some comments by Marvin 2009 indeed do seem battleground-y, but it is troubling if the driving force behind this is some kind of a spillover from the Chinese Wikipedia (which Marvin edits according to his global contribs).

PatCheng refers to conduct in the Chinese Wikipedia in another [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Epoch_Times&type=revision&diff=963543603&oldid=963334217&diffmode=source comment] directed at {{u|Wetrace}}: {{tq|Your conduct on Chinese WP demonstrated that you have a very low knowledge of WP:RS and WP:V.}} However, according to the global contribs, PatCheng does not edit the Chinese WP. Something does not add up. --[[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]] ([[User talk:Pudeo|talk]]) 19:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

===Result concerning Marvin 2009===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* My view: {{u|PatCheng}} and {{u|Marvin 2009}} both topic-banned from Falun Gong broadly construed as POV-warrior accounts after reviewing [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/PatCheng] and [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/PatChen]. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' ([[user talk:JzG|help!]]) 08:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
*{{u|JzG|Guy}}, in a recent enforcement request (I'll try to look it up and link it here) I noted how there seemed to be a lot of long-dormant accounts suddenly becoming active again when a Falun Gong dispute crops up. I think this is a pattern that might need to be examined more thoroughly; this is certainly not the first time. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*:[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive266#Bloodofox|Here]] is the one to which I'm referring. That being said, Marvin 2009 also has a history of popping in and out of activity, and some of the behavior brought up here is genuinely a cause for concern. So even if there needs to be a boomerang here, I don't think that's all that needs to happen. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 23:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*::{{u|Seraphimblade}}, Plausible. I say TBANs for both, based on edit history. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' ([[user talk:JzG|help!]]) 23:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Marvin 2009}}, first off, it always raises my antennae when someone is using a fake signature. Your username should be in your signature (though you could always do something like "Marvin 2009 aka Precious Stone" or "Precious Stone (Marvin 2009)"). If you wanted to actually change username, there is a [[WP:CHU|process for that]]. That aside, you have been edit warring. I thought that the last discussion placed Falun Gong under 1RR, but I don't see that it was marked as such; if not I plan to swiftly rectify that, but I won't blame you for it since I don't see the notice. That aside, edit warring, even if under the "RR" limit, is still disruptive. You've also been casting a lot of [[WP:ASPERSION|aspersions]], such as that other editors are some type of activists or agents. You seem to assert here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doug_Weller&diff=962211243&oldid=962154664] that one must open a discussion ''before'' making an edit, which is exactly backwards—everyone may edit, and if anyone else disagrees, discussion then is the way forward. Edits should not be reverted simply for not being discussed in advance. So, to be quite honest, I agree with Guy, in that neither one of you really have any business editing in such a sensitive topic area at this time. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 00:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
*:::In addition, {{u|Marvin 2009}}, could you please explain why you removed a comment by Guy in this edit? [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&type=revision&diff=963649398&oldid=963646100] [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 01:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

==Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Shuki==

''Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Enforcement|here]]. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.''

''To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see [[WP:UNINVOLVED]]).''

; Appealing user : {{userlinks|Shuki}} – [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 01:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

; Sanction being appealed : [[WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary_sanctions]] banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces indefinitely, imposed at
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=485917007&oldid=485916254]

; Administrator imposing the sanction : {{admin|WGFinley}}

; Notification of that administrator : [[User_talk:WGFinley#TBAN_appeal]]

===Statement by Shuki===

Several years ago, I was TBANNed from the ARBPIA area. Since then, I made a few hundred edits but moved on to other interests off-wp. Recently, I have noticed that many articles that I created or improved have over the years become stagnant and information is outdated, whether in the direct sphere of the ban or indirectly. While I do not have the same free time to become to contribute actively, nonetheless, I'd like to return to create, update and edit even if infrequently in the area. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 01:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

: The main topic I can contribute in where articles need to be desperately improved is about Israel. Virtually everything is affected by the ARBPIA and at any time for just editing any article I run this risk of getting sanctioned again (as I see others have been sanctioned even recently), including supposedly unrelated articles about local geography, people and politics. I've browsed around the current rules with regard to ARBPIA and frankly am not interested in going back to be involved that 'battleground' atmosphere. As already stated, I don't intend to go back to being as active as before, but also have enough integrity to request a restart by appealing with my old account, and not just the easy thing by creating a new account. Per Seraphimblade and El_C's comments, after the 2012 TBAN, since then I have almost two years of 100s of positive contributions until after the beginning of 2014 and I was assuming that that and the additional extended time by being self-distanced from WP for many years would be another reasonable sign of good faith cooling off. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 21:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by WGFinley===

===Statement by (involved editor 1)===

===Statement by (involved editor 2)===

===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Shuki ===

===Result of the appeal by Shuki===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*It looks like in addition to the topic ban, Shuki then had a block in July 2012 for violating the ban. (There was also a second block in November 2012 for a violation, but that was quickly reversed by the blocking admin as a mistake, so I'd disregard that.) Shuki then stopped editing regularly in March 2013, with only some sporadic periods of activity. That does not indicate, to me, enough positive editing outside the topic area to justify lifting the ban. So from me, while it's not a "never", it would be a "not yet". If Shuki would take six months to a year consistently making positive contributions in areas outside the topic ban, my answer would likely be different at that point. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 19:36, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
*I agree. ~15 edits this year, and before that, the last edit being basically 2016 (with a single edit in 2017), is not enough. Please try again once we have more recent contributions outside the topic ban to weigh. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 20:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement

2020-06-21T01:17:15Z

Shuki: /* Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Shuki */ +admin notice

<noinclude>{{pp-move-indef}}
{{Redirect|WP:AE|the guideline regarding the letters æ or ae|MOS:LIGATURE|the automated editing program|WP:AutoEd}}
__NEWSECTIONLINK__</noinclude><includeonly>={{anchor|toptoc}}[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement|Requests for enforcement]]=</includeonly>
<noinclude>{{editabuselinks|style=width:100%; border:2px ridge #CAE1FF; margin:2px 0;|groupstyle=background-color:#CAE1FF;}}</noinclude>{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader = {{Arbitration enforcement/Archive navbox}}|maxarchivesize = 200K
|counter = 267
|minthreadsleft = 0
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo = old(7d)
|archive = Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive%(counter)d
}}{{Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Header}}

==Azuredivay==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Azuredivay===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Vanamonde93}} 04:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Azuredivay}}{{ds/log|Azuredivay}}

;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard discretionary sanctions]] :

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&type=revision&diff=960812809&oldid=953812520 4 June 2020] very many things wrong with this diff. Adds 13kb (!) of content without an edit summary, and with no explanation on the talk page. Includes content about "separatist campaign", much of which the sources do not directly connect to Pakistani nationalism. This is particularly true about the sentences discussing [[Direct Action Day]]. <s>The same edit adds a ''long'' quotation about Pakistan from [[M. S. Golwalkar]], a leader of the Hindu nationalist [[Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh]]. Golwalkar isn't a historian or political scientist, and his views constitute egregious [[WP:DUE|undue weight]].</s> In short, edit violates [[WP:NPOV]], [[WP:NOR]], and basic behavioral norms. EDITED: Azuredivay has pointed out that the quote already existed, for which I apologize; the software highlights it when I view that diff the same way new content is highlighted. That doesn't address the rest of the problems with that diff, though.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=960990711 4 June 2020] same article as above; removes tags without explanation; adds content without a source.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munshi_Raziuddin&diff=prev&oldid=958338162 23 May 2020] changes "Pakistani Qawwal" to "Indian Qawwal" without a source and without an edit summary.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn#Notice 4 June 2020] Accuses another user of "revisionism"; refuses to explain himself further.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HAL_Tejas&diff=prev&oldid=956578547 14 May 2020]; adds redundant links to an article; after they are [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HAL_Tejas&type=revision&diff=956588025&oldid=956578547 removed], Azuredivay was warned, to which he responded [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=prev&oldid=956613830 quite dismissively].
#Similarly, after edit-warring over the primary name of the article at [[Adam's Bridge]] (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adam%27s_Bridge&type=revision&diff=950786796&oldid=950786588 this], and the previous revisions), responds [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=prev&oldid=950785671 in this manner] to a warning on his talk page.

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any : No previous sanctions.

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
*Given an alert about discretionary sanctions by {{U|Newslinger}} on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&oldid=945637253 15 March 2020].

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint : I find it quite strange that Azuredivay's command of English is far superior in the first two diffs linked above, than it is in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Breast_Tax&diff=prev&oldid=959302687 discussions]. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 04:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC) Addendum; two additional concerning incidents were brought to my attention via email by an editor who did not wish to get involved at AE; they further substantiate the communication issues I highlighted above. {{ping|El C}} Would you mind taking a look at this? It's possible that all that's necessary is for someone uninvolved to tell Azuredivay to communicate appropriately, but this is languishing without attention. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 01:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Azuredivay#AE notified].

===Discussion concerning Azuredivay===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Azuredivay====
Diff #1 has been misrepresented. Golwalkar's quote had been added by Arslan-San[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&diff=891519179&oldid=891392260] not me. I just combined it with the previous para and you are free to remove it if you want. The same editor also added a large amount regarding how "Sindh" was different from the rest of India, which is not true. All of the citations I added to article are reliable and were taken from other places of Wikipedia like [[Direct Action Day]] article itself. What I added actually traces the origins of Pakistani nationalism, as Muslim nationalism that began in British India among the elite class of Muslims of UP and Bihar. The content also cited the Lahore Resolution that called for a separate state in subcontinent for Indian Muslims. Mentioning Direct Action Day is obviously important because it is after that event that communal riots spread to other parts of the subcontinent resulting in partition and the realization of the Pakistani state.

Diff #2: Per [[WP:ES]], I provided edit summary where it was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=960814547 needed]. For the rest it is very obvious that I am only adding the content.

Diff #3: Vanamonde93 has apparently ignored [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munshi_Raziuddin&diff=prev&oldid=958338162 in this edit] that I removed puffery, unsourced and unreliably sourced content. There was no [[Pakistan]] before 1947 so how a person who was born in 1911 could be called "Pakistani"? I planned to resolve this content dispute on talk page for later.

Diff #4 has been also misrepresented because [[WP:KEEPCONCISE|I engaged as much as it was needed]] and I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Goldsztajn&diff=960855917&oldid=960836612 cited a discussion] (see [[Talk:Channar_revolt#Scholarly sources for tax?]]) which mentioned the word "revisionism" three times and concluded that those views were revisionist in nature. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 06:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Diff #5 happened nearly a month ago and has been poorly interpreted here since my final position on the matter was opposite as I had already modified my response and acknowledged the message appropriately.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=956695488&oldid=956613830#May_2020]

Diff #6 happened 2 months ago and at that time I wasn't aware of [[MOS:TITLE]] but [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=prev&oldid=950786819 after this] I took time to read it and never added a non-title as main name. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 02:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|RexxS}} Where did you observed that there have been "{{tq|no acknowledgement}}"? I don't appear to be indicating that I am going to repeat any problems raised here, in fact I told how I have resolved them. You seem wrong with your claim that a DS alert is made to "avert editing problems by putting editors on their best behaviour", because occasional mistakes are possible especially when an editor is making 100s of edits though they should not be repetitive. Finally, none of the diffs provided here rises to the level of any sanction. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 00:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|RexxS}} I am absolutely within my rights to point out the misrepresentation of the diffs, one of which has been already acknowledged by Vanamonde93 above per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=961277646&oldid=961211830 here]. I was not aware of that page which you have linked, but then I would still like to know if there is even a single edit which shows that I am not putting "best behaviour" in the diffs coming within a week when this report was filed because the top [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Header|note of this page]] alone notes that "''Requests reporting diffs older than one week may be declined as stale''". Are there any diffs coming after this report where I am not putting "best behaviour"? I have acknowledged that I should provide more edit summaries as it reflects also in my recent edits, but I still think that a simple notice "provide more edit summaries" would have worked instead of filing this report. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 01:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (other involved editor)====


===Result concerning Azuredivay===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*Since I was pinged (but somehow didn't get an alert for it — sorry), I would agree with {{u|Vanamonde93 }} that improvement is necessary. If Azuredivay were to take these concerns on board, that would spare them from suffering any sanctions. In that case, a warning to do better would be recommended. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 10:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
* The whole point of discretionary sanctions is to avert editing problems by putting editors on their best behaviour. Once Azuredivay had the alert in March, they should have been scrupulous in avoiding controversial edits. As there seems to be no acknowledgement that they've fallen short of the requirements, I suggest a topic-ban from the India-Pakistan area until they can show they understand how they need to be editing. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 21:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
** {{re|Azuredivay}} I find all of those five edits problematic, not "careful and constructive", and all I see from you is a defence of making them. You've resolved no concerns that {{u|Vanamonde93}} raised. You need to read accurately what other editors have written because it's the point of '''discretionary sanctions''' that I'm drawing to your attention, not the point of the alert. If you haven't bothered yet, please read [[WP:AC/DS #guide.expect]], and consider all of it carefully before you tell me I'm wrong again. Finally, I'll point out that the uninvolved admins here decide if your behaviour rises the level of a sanction, not you. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 00:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
***I would want to see a precise reason for a sanction. For example, the edits at [[Pakistani nationalism]] have not been challenged—they have not been reverted or modified, and the last edit at [[Talk:Pakistani nationalism]] was in July 2013! The two edits at [[Adam's Bridge]] were misguided but that was a month ago without a further problem that I can see. Azuredivay should be aware that this topic ''requires'' collaboration and massive edits may not be appropriate, and are definitely not appropriate when not even an edit summary is offered. Further, it is necessary to engage with other editors even if convinced they are wrong. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

==Zarcademan123456==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Zarcademan123456===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Huldra}} 22:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Zarcademan123456}}{{ds/log|Zarcademan123456}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kafr_Saba&type=revision&diff=961182157&oldid=961162330 01:56, 7 June 2020] Add stuff and remove Palmer-ref at [[Kafr Saba]]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kafr_Saba&type=revision&diff=961339221&oldid=961323735 22:08, 7 June 2020] Re-add same stuff and remove Palmer-ref at [[Kafr Saba]]

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AZarcademan123456 blocked 22 December 2019] with an expiration time of 72 hours (account creation blocked) (Disruptive editing)
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AZarcademan123456 blocked 28 December 2019] with an expiration time of 2 weeks (account creation blocked) (Disruptive editing)
#[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive263#Zarcademan123456|9 March 2020]]: "Zarcademan123456 is cautioned against making mass changes when these involve contested edits. Similar problems are likely to be met with sanctions next time."

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AZarcademan123456&type=revision&diff=912855463&oldid=869711798 Alerted], 28 August 2019


; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :

Clear violation of 1RR on article under [[WP:A/I/PIA]]-sanctions, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 22:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
:[[User:Newslinger]]; no I didn't break the rules: my first rv was of an IP, (who shouldn't have edited the article in the first place), hence it doesn't count. [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 06:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
:Lol, I am not “out to get" Zarcademan123456, (as he claims); but as anyone can see: he is following me around. His first ever edit to [[Kafr Saba]] was 2-3 hours after I had edited it, (and the edit ''removed'' a reference, and introduced unsourced material), his first ever edit at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Khisas&type=revision&diff=961181744&oldid=961162652 Al-Khisas] as also hours after I had edited, (just to mention a couple the last days). I am accustomed to "shadows" following me around, but I ''do'' expect them to follow the rules.
:And I am delighted to hear that Zarcademan123456 has gotten his job back; hopefully he will in the future spend his time more constructively than his very latest edit: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salama,_Jaffa&diff=prev&oldid=961595117 undoing my edit and re-inserting unsourced material], [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 20:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AZarcademan123456&type=revision&diff=961340901&oldid=961248913 Notified] [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 22:23, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


===Discussion concerning Zarcademan123456===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Zarcademan123456====
I’ve kinda stopped using wiki as intently as in past, but if I broke rules comes from lack of understanding. 1R means 24 hours yes?...
With all due respect to @Huldra, I do feel as if he/she is “out to get me” a little bit...again, as I said in previous wiki arbia discussion, if I violate, its out of ignorance, not maliciousness. Not that incompetence shouldn’t be punished, but as a volunteer website, mistakes, IMO, should be dealt with gently, not with heavy hand (violations). Brief aside, luckily I got my job back so I’ll be on wiki less so this will be moot anyways. Good day y’all

====Statement by Zero0000====
{{To|Newslinger}} [[Kafr Saba]] is an article covered by ARBPIA and the [[Special:Diff/961162330|first diff]] of Huldra that you indicate was the revert of an IP. Such edits are exempt from the 1RR restriction, see [[WP:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel_articles#ARBPIA_General_Sanctions]]. So it is not correct that Huldra broke 1RR and you should withdraw that charge. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]][[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]] 06:21, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (selfstudier)====


Although no action was taken (only 3 reverts, not 4) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive408#User:Zarcademan123456_reported_by_User:Selfstudier_(Result:_) this recent complaint] also included 1R (Is-Pal) violations.

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Zarcademan123456===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kafr_Saba&action=history page history] shows that <s>both {{np|Huldra}} ([[Special:Diff/961162330|23:20, 6 June 2020]]; [[Special:Diff/961323735|20:21, 7 June 2020]]) and</s> {{np|Zarcademan123456}} ([[Special:Diff/961182157|01:56, 7 June 2020]]; [[Special:Diff/961339221|22:08, 7 June 2020]]) violated the [[WP:1RR|1RR]] restriction on the [[Kafr Saba]] article. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 05:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
** Thanks for the corrections, {{u|Huldra}} and {{u|Zero0000}}. I'm sorry for the mistake, and I've revised my comment. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 06:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
*While Zarcademan123456 was given the recommendation to self-revert, in fairness, they seem to have simply not been around to do so. That does not negate from 1RR having been contravened (the responsibility to be cognizant of that is on them) — but I would still recommend a ([[WP:AEL|logged]]) warning rather than sanctions. But with the awareness that sanctions for a future violation would be accordingly more severe. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 10:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
:*I now also support sanctions , per Johnuniq especially. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 17:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
* Too much edit-warring for me to feel any sympathy for "mistakes". Given the two blocks in December and the warning in March, I think that a sanction can't be avoided here. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 21:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
*Given the background there should be a sanction as repeated "mistakes" in this area are the whole reason discretionary sanctions are in place. Zarcademan123456's response above does not indicate a suitable understanding of the problem and a topic ban of at least three months would be appropriate. An IP added stuff from elsewhere to [[Kafr Saba]] which Huldra was entitled to revert per the [[Template:Editnotices/Page/Kafr Saba|edit notice]] "{{tq|[Editors to this page: • must be signed into an account and have at least 500 edits and 30 days' tenure • are restricted to making no more than one revert per twenty-four (24) hours (subject to exceptions below)]}}". Zarcademan123456 did two reverts within 24 hours (despite the in-your-face edit notice) while using an edit summary asking Huldra to explain on talk why changes should not occur when standard procedure would be for anyone supporting a change to justify it on talk. Zarcademan123456 has never edited [[Talk:Kafr Saba]]. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 02:12, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

==Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Davidbena==

{{hat|1=Appeal declined. AE has no jurisdiction to lift community bans. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 19:26, 13 June 2020 (UTC) }}

; Appealing user : {{userlinks|Davidbena}} – [[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 15:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

; Sanction being appealed : Topic ban in the ARBPIA area; imposed here, during my [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive315#Request_to_lift_topic_ban last appeal].

; Administrator imposing the sanction : {{admin|Ymblanter}}

; Notification of that administrator : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter#Appeal_to_ARBPIA_topic_ban Notification]

===Statement by Davidbena===

I humbly request an amendment by my fellow co-workers (administrators) on this project to lift a current topic ban against me in the ARBPIA area, and which action was taken against me twice in three months because of my having wrongly accused two other co-editors of stalking me, when that was not the case. That was poor judgment on my part, and I have since done my best to improve relations with one editor in particular, but have almost no contact with the other. A ban has been effective against me for one-year, last appealed in November of 2019. In future matters of dispute I will not be so rash as to level harsh criticisms and accusations against my disputants, but will seek to address the problem by cordial discussion of the issues involved. As I have stated repeatedly, I have since made strides to amend my behavior. I bear no ill feelings towards any co-editor here, even in cases where we might disagree on political issues. After all, our world is made-up of pluralistic views, and that's a good thing. I'm simply asking for another chance to prove my worthiness, and to expand articles (add photographs,make corrections, etc.) in this field. Again, as I know myself, I am able to get along with all editors, even in cases of disagreement. My edits in the ARBPIA have mostly been very constructive, as the record will show. If I have erred in judgment regarding these two editors, which I did, let us fix the problem with a reprimand and move-on, without hampering the ability to contribute effectively in the betterment of our online encyclopedia.
:{{ping|EdJohnston}} My interaction with [[User:Nableezy|Nableezy]] has been less than what it has been with [[User:Huldra|Huldra]], with whom I have kept-up a greater level of correspondence, e-mails, etc. although considerably less in recent days. If I'm not mistaken, some of my cordial exchanges with Nableezy which were made after our first conflict, can be seen here, in [[Talk:Kafr 'Inan#Kfar Hananya]]. As noted by the diffs, our cordial conversation was still in the making while a [[WP:Administrators Noticeboard|AN]] was filed against me [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive308#Closing_soon here]. I had already understood the mistake that I made in being too rash. As for Huldra, she has communicated privately with me in e-mails. I try my best to assist her, when I can. Even when she asked me to do an overhaul in the [[Surif]] article, which mostly spoke about its citizens from the standpoint of Palestinian Arab attacks against Israeli citizens, I agreed, and we made the necessary changes to that article, to reflect a more neutral image of that village (by the way, which village has also several Arab workers that work with us here, in Israel, whom I know personally and who are peaceable people).[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 19:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|EdJohnston}} following your directives, I have informed the involved editors [[User:Bishonen]], [[User:Oshwah]], and [[User:Euryalus]] about my pending topic ban appeal.[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 00:44, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|El C}}, thanks for the warning. To set the record straight, I have never edited an article that pertains to my workplace. I only mentioned in passing that I personally know a few Arabs who come from the village [[Surif]], but they work in my village ([[moshav]]), for an Israeli institution.[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 01:45, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Oshwah}}, thanks for your response. As you mentioned your concern of a "conflict of interest" in the case of some of my edits, I assure you that I have never edited an article related to my workplace, and where I have mentioned an article (Surif) where I know people who have come from that place, this, too, is unrelated to my edits on that article. The only reason why I mentioned that article (and which I thought would be obvious to all) is that the article concerns the [[Israeli-Palestinian]] area of conflict, and despite my being an Israeli, I was able to cooperate with User:Huldra (who has strong Palestinian-Arab leanings in her edits), and to reach an agreement with her on how best to portray this village in Wikipedia, which before had been nothing more than a very long chronological table of terrorist-related actions emanating from that one village, something which we would not see even with the article [[Chicago]] and that has far more crime on a daily basis. I have no personal stakes or interests in that village, other than wanting to project a view that is agreeable with my fellow co-editors and who are on a different political spectrum than me. If anything, it shows that I can work harmoniously with editors who hold different political views from me.[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 03:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Oshwah}}, you asked me what have I learned, and what has changed since my last topic ban appeal, so I will do my best to answer you. First, my earlier conduct which led to my topic ban should be seen as an anomaly, rather than a norm, since the topic ban was provoked by my wrongly accusing the other two editors of hounding me. I have not repeated the same mistake since. If the admins remain in doubt as to my future conduct in the ARBPIA area, they can take my history of edits in one of the most recent Wikipedia articles, [[Hebraization of Palestinian place names]], an article that primarily concerns itself with geographical place names in [[Palestine (region)|Palestine]] / [[Land of Israel|Israel]], and which initially wore an ARBPIA tag (preventing me from editing there) until the creator of the page agreed to remove the tag. From 13 May 2020 to 11 June 2020 (as you can see by the diff [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hebraization_of_Palestinian_place_names&diff=962052316&oldid=962051867 here]), the article was without the ARBPIA tag and which enabled me to edit that page. When the tag was reinstated, my edits were suddenly halted, and before I was able to suggest an edit that would be more acceptable with the other editors, generated by a discussion in the article's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hebraization_of_Palestinian_place_names#WP:OR Talk-Page], I was suddenly prevented from doing so by the addition of the ARBPIA tag. Compare, if you will, my suggestion to Zero0000 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zero0000#Is_this_a_valid_revision? here]. I wish to point out that before my involvement in this recent article, as shown by the history of edits before 13 May 2020 (such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hebraization_of_Palestinian_place_names&diff=956461513&oldid=956435485 here]), the article had a clear bias against the practice of renaming / restoring names to sites in the country, and even cited an author who had a clear resentment towards those who made these changes. My contributions sought to give more balance to the article, giving actually the ''reasons'' why the committees, in most cases, decided to give / restore old namesakes to old sites in Palestine / Israel. I went so far on the Talk-Page as to translate whole Hebrew documents to provide a clear understanding of the evolvement of this phenomenon, as you can see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hebraization_of_Palestinian_place_names#Translation_(Hebrew_to_English)_of_the_Introduction_to_Proposals_written_by_the_Jewish_National_Council here]. You see, I honestly think that I have Wikipedia's core-interests at heart, to keep our online encyclopedia an educational source for millions of people --- insofar that Wikipedia is a part of the Internet, and the Internet is a part of the media, but more often times than not Wikipedia articles are at the mercy of Wikipedia writers' particular biases. Balance is, therefore, needed. If problems arise in the future, I will first seek the advice and counsel of other experienced administrators before asking that punitive measures be taken against a disruptive editor. [[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 12:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|EdJohnston}} '''FYI:''' Among the admins that you requested of me to notice concerning this topic ban appeal, I received the following reply from Euryalus, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Euryalus#Appeal_to_ARBPIA_topic_ban here].[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 12:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|EdJohnston}} a question please: The '"closure" that you refer to, does that pertain only to the AN appeal (before I opened this one here), or are you referring to the closure of the AE appeal here?14:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by Ymblanter===

===Statement by Nableezy===
I think this needs to go WP:AN as this was imposed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=895743377&oldid=895726239 here] as part of a community consensus and not a single admin as a discretionary sanction. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 16:03, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
:El C, I dont think this is a conundrum, and the community is always allowed to impose sanctions regardless of whether or not a single admin could have as a discretionary sanction. This is a community-imposed sanction and not one imposed under the auspices of an arbitration decision and as such it needs the community to rescind it, and that happens at AN, not at AE. This board is for things related to arbitration enforcement, and this ban is not such a thing. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 15:00, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I mean it would probably help get a more robust discussion if he notified the people who he had been in conflict with previously and more directly answered the requests posed to him from the people that did comment there, and who said they would vote when answered. Just unarchive the AN or make a new one. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 16:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by Oshwah===
From what I've gathered from past events, it appears that [[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] was topic-banned from [[WP:ARBPIA|Palestine-Israel-related matters]] by community [[WP:CON|consensus]] in August 2018 ([[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive989#Davidbena|link to discussion]]). This ban was lifted by the community in February 2019 in a discussion at [[WP:AN|AN]] ([[Special:Diff/884685106|diff]], [[Special:Permalink/884685106#Request_to_lift_my_topic_ban_issued_against_me_in_August_2018|permalink]]). This ban was then applied ''again'' by the community only ''three months later'' in May 2019 ([[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive308#Hounding_and_Deliberate_Disruptive_Editing|link to discussion]]). Davidbena tried appealing this topic ban in a discussion at [[WP:AN|AN]] six months later in November 2019 ([[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive315#Request_to_lift_topic_ban|link to discussion]]), which was unsuccessful. He then tried appealing again just shy of two weeks ago, which didn't result in much discussion let alone [[WP:CON|consensus]] ([[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly_requesting_admins_to_rescind_my_ARBPIA_topic_ban|link to discussion]]). What concerns me here is that Davidbena has been given multiple opportunities to improve their behavior in this topic area, and even after the community lifted this ban to give him another chance and an opportunity to demonstrate improvement in this area, the community had to go back and re-instate the ban only ''three months'' after it was lifted. This is an obvious red flag to me, as well the statement above that he made ([[Special:Diff/961907348|diff]]) stating, {{green|"I have never edited an article that pertains to my workplace. I only mentioned in passing that I personally know a few Arabs who come from the village Surif, but they work in my village (moshav), for an Israeli institution."}} This makes me feel that there's a level of ongoing [[WP:COI|personal conflict of interest]] (either at an emotional level or something of that matter) that's the driving force behind these behaviors and issues. If a user cannot manage their (possible) conflicts of interest or even just subjects or topics that evoke emotions or other feelings, then we have a duty to protect the project from [[WP:DE|disruption]]. If doing so requires that we set appropriate boundaries and apply necessary sanctions for these users, then that's what has to happen. I feel that, in this case, we've given this user multiple opportunities to correct their behavior, learn from their mistakes, and demonstrate improvement. What's different between now and the last time that Davidbena appealed their ban and the community decided to lift it? What didn't Davidbena learn from last time that he understands now? How is he going to improve his behavior ''this time'' that he didn't do before, and how is it going to stop any more issues moving forward? There's a lot of questions, and I the overall timeline of events should give us great pause. If we're going to appeal this ban, his answers to my questions above should (at a minimum) be ''very convincing''... [[User:Oshwah|~Oshwah~]][[User_talk:Oshwah|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|(contribs)]] 02:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] - Thank you for the response. Conflict of interest aside, what about the other questions I asked above? What's different between now and the last time that you appealed your ban and the community decided to lift it? What didn't you learn from last time that you understand now? What happened and what caused you to need a reinstatement of this topic ban a second time? Why didn't the behavior improve after the first ban was lifted? How are you going to improve your behavior ''this time'' that you didn't do before but should have? What will be different ''this time''? How are you going to stop any more issues from occurring moving forward, and how are those changes going to keep yourself out of trouble in this topic area and prevent this from happening ever again? [[User:Oshwah|~Oshwah~]][[User_talk:Oshwah|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|(contribs)]] 03:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by Levivich (David Bena)===
{{yo|EdJohnston}} when you close this, may I suggest a clear statement in the closing statement that consensus here is that "Davidbena can then make a new request at WP:AN if desired and point out that his May 27 appeal at AN was archived without being formally closed." Because without a crystal-clear closing statement to that effect, I'm 100% sure DB will be accused by someone of "forum shopping" when he opens the AN thread. (Even with a crystal-clear closing statement, the accusation may still be made, but the closing statement signed by an admin will help rebut it.) Also if he's supposed to notify prior closers or anyone else, that would be helpful to put in the closing statement, too. Give him clear instructions he can follow, so he doesn't get unfairly accused of trying to game the system in the future. Thanks, [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] [''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]''] 15:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Davidbena ===
*I endorse the appeal by Davidbena as he has apologized and realizes where he went wrong. He is a knowledgeable and positive contributor to WP. Thank you, [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 23:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

===Result of the appeal by Davidbena===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*David has already attempted to appeal at AN recently ([[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly_requesting_admins_to_rescind_my_ARBPIA_topic_ban|archived here]]), where his appeal languished and received few response (none from admins). Because the free-form AN and ANI rarely mixes well with ARBPIA, I almost always recommend that such discussions be brought here under the [[WP:ACDS|discretionary sanctions]] regime. But since this was a community ban (logged at [[WP:RESTRICT]] rather than at [[WP:AEL]]), I'm really at a loss at what he could do to get an appeal that includes a [[WP:ANRFC|proper closure]]. Take it back to AN yet again, so soon? Try again at AN in six months? But, indeed, I don't think admins at AE have the power to override a community ban at AN. At the same time, what is an appellant to do when they get hardly anyone to participate in their appeal, not to mention decide it. I don't think that has ever happens here, at AE. That is partially why I recommend that ''no'' ARBPIA matters be discussed at AN and ANI, pretty much ever. Because then, among other things, we end up with these conundrums. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
:*Nableezy, that doesn't really respond to what I said, so I don't really have a followup. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 16:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
::*{{u|Floquenbeam}}, indeed, there ''is'' an obligation, but the last appeal languished for about week. I just hope that does not happen again. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 16:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*Nableezy, I don't think David should be obligated to notify neither editors who he has been in dispute with (likely to sink his appeal) nor ones who are more like-minded (likely to come across as [[WP:CANVASS|canvassing]]). That's just a recipe for future problems. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 16:57, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
::::*Per Ed, any "others" mentioned by David should be mentioned by name or not mentioned at all. I agree that he can't have it both ways. But my advise to David would be to limit himself to ''himself'' rather than draw parallels with other editors. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 00:29, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::*David, in general, you should not be editing any article that relates to your workplace, per Wikipedia's [[WP:COI|conflict of interest policy]]. Please keep that in mind if your appeal ends up being granted. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 01:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
::::::*Sounds good [[User:EdJohnston|Ed]]. Please go ahead. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 16:11, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
*I'd recommend unarchiving the AN request, rather than making a new one. If the community imposes a sanction, we kind of have an obligation to review a request to remove it. This is clearly the wrong venue for reviewing a community sanction, and would just cause another AN thread if it was overturned here. I do not think a lack of significant participation in the previous attempt should count for or against removal. Unarchiving should get more eyes this time around. If Davidbena is worried about criticism of somehow gaming the system by unarchiving, let me know and I'll do it. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 16:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
*::I'm confused why this is still going on here. Three uninvolved admins have now said that the small subset of the community who are admins that patrol AE can't overturn a community consensus. No uninvolved admins have said they can. To be clear, I '''oppose''' a removal of the topic ban based on any discussion, no matter how long or how well attended, that occurs here. Just like I'd oppose it if it happened on Davidbena's talk page, or [[Talk:Peanut butter]]. At this time, I'm neutral on such a request if it is returned to AN, but if this is how Davidbena reacts to feedback, I also think it does not bode well for a ban removal. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 14:09, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:*I support [[User:Floquenbeam]]'s idea of unarchiving Davidbena's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly_requesting_admins_to_rescind_my_ARBPIA_topic_ban last AN ban appeal]. When he does so, perhaps he can include links to all the prior ban or unban discussions:
::#August 2018 – Original TBAN thread: [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive989#Davidbena]]
::#February 2019 – Successful appeal of first TBAN: [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive306#Request to lift my topic ban issued against me in August 2018]]
::#April 2019 – Second TBAN imposed: [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive308#Hounding and Deliberate Disruptive Editing]]
::#November 2019 – Unsuccessful appeal of second TBAN: [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive315#Request to lift topic ban]]
::#May 2020 – Latest appeal of second TBAN: [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly requesting admins to rescind my ARBPIA topic ban]] – This appeal was archived from AN without any closure.
::At the same time, the prior closers ought to be notified: Bishonen, Oshwah and Euryalus. If Davidbena renews his AN appeal, he needs a better argument. (A vague promise to do better in the future might be OK the first time around). He should address his past problems with more than generalities. Also, it will be more persuasive if he doesn't [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly_requesting_admins_to_rescind_my_ARBPIA_topic_ban take up space in his own appeal to blame others:] {{green|"others with many more blocks than me have been allowed to edit in this area."}}. Also he mentions two co-editors in the area who used to be opponents that he now gets along with. {{green|"The same editors that I disagreed with, I have also a long record of cordial relations with, here on Wikipedia"}}. Maybe he can give the names of those two editors and ask them to comment on his appeal. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 18:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
::*Per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=962170992&oldid=962165709 Floquenbeam's latest comment] I am planning to close this as 'Appeal declined; no jurisdiction'. Davidbena can then make a new request at WP:AN if desired and point out that his May 27 appeal at AN was archived without being formally closed. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 15:29, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*Closing as declined per my above comment. None of the administrators believes that we can lift a community ban here. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 19:22, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==SpicyBiryani==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning SpicyBiryani===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Aman.kumar.goel}} 21:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|SpicyBiryani}}{{ds/log|SpicyBiryani}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[WP:ARBIP]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=960063973&oldid=960000286 23:20, 31 May 2020]: In their very first post on [[Talk:Kargil War]], user commits an egregious violation of [[WP:ASPERSIONS]] by assuming nationalities of fellow editors: {{tq|an Indian user has reverted this page....If any Indian editors have objections}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961481917&oldid=961429958 18:45, 8 June 2020]: Refuses to respect the [[WP:CON|consensus of editors]] ([[Talk:Kargil War#Result_in_infobox|reached here]]) and casts [[WP:ASPERSIONS]] on its participants: {{tq|a 'consensus' doesn't really mean much anyway considering that ''India'' who has the largest internet presence in the world, the most fake news in the world, and ''IT'' Cells who actively ''spread propaganda'' in organised brigades for the government}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961658084&oldid=961599932 18:24, 9 June 2020]: On [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961597154&oldid=961528770 being told] how his inappropriate labelling of fellow editors as ''IT Cell'' and Indian government sponsored ''propagandist'' and his obstinate refusal to accept the consensus breached core policies like [[WP:NPOV]], user doubles down on the violations and resorts to adhominem attacks to impugn the unanimous consensus: {{tq|I have not targeted a single editor but given a reason to doubt the validity of any quantity based decisions made involving India on the internet...}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961658084&oldid=961599932 18:24, 9 June 2020]: Same diff, showing that this same user further proceeds to [[WP:NPA|personally attack]] another fellow participant in the discussion by accusing him of engaging in "''chest thumping''" and assuming bad faith and nationalities: {{tq|I am not trying to engage in chest thumping for the Pakistani military if you believe chset thumping is the purpouse of these discussions.}} Ends the comment by seeking credibility for a chronic sockpuppeter {{U|PAKHIGHWAY}} by speculating the sockpuppeter's nationality after feigning ignorance about the sockpuppeter's past history: {{tq|Their IP address indicates they are Canadian, a neutral nationality in this, eliminating any Indo-Pakistani bias.}}



;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]): User is aware of the discretionary sanction in effect in the India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan topic area [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SpicyBiryani per their talk page], but all the same they were notified about it again on ''31 May 2020''.

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :

To begin with, the report is strictly confined to the conduct of the reported user, which on the whole has been lamentable. A persual of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kargil_War#Infobox_very_inaccurate relevant talk page discussion] alone would show the user's repeated [[WP: IDIDNTHEARTHAT]] behavior, breach of core policies like [[WP:NPA]], [[WP: ASPERSIONS]], [[WP:BATTLE]] and last but not the least [[WP:CPUSH]] (in particular the part that reads, {{tq|
''They will attempt to label others or otherwise discredit their opinion based on that person's associations rather than the core of their argument. See ad hominem.''}}

Another thing important to mention here is that the user is essentially an [[WP:SPA]] who has obstinately refused to realize faults in their comments laden with policy violations (which have been adequate demonstrated above through a number of diffs), when pointed to them[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961597154&oldid=961528770 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASpicyBiryani&type=revision&diff=961935762&oldid=961910674 2]. User has been incivil from the get-go and has repeatedly attempted to personalize disputes by speculating ethnicities and nationalities of others, among other things.

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SpicyBiryani&diff=962237463&oldid=961935762]



===Discussion concerning SpicyBiryani===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by SpicyBiryani====
{{tq|User is aware of the discretionary sanction in effect in the India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan topic area per their talk page, but all the same they were notified about it again on 31 May 2020.}}

Firstly, I had been notified of the sanctions well before I had edited the talk page, which you'd know if you'd bothered [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SpicyBiryani&action=history looking at the page history] instead of resorting to [[WP:CHERRYPICKING]] as you have attempted to throughout the rest of your allegations. Do not make things up to discredit me.

Secondly, I have not speculated '''anyone's''' nationality. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AKargil_War&type=revision&diff=960000286&oldid=960000136 Here], you can see that [[User:Kautilya3]], who is ''Indian'', as you can see on their userpage, had reverted the page, to clear up un-neccessary discussion about the Kargil War, instead of the about the article. I had left a comment about the infobox that got caught up in this along some others. So, assuming it was a mistake as [[User:Kautilya3]] is a seemingly competent editor, I re-addressed the issue on the talk page, and just to be on the safe side, changed it to remove as much commentary on the actual war as possible and to focus on the article more. Jingoism on such pages by Indian and Pakistani users is not new, the former being more common due to India having the largest (mostly uncensored) internet population in the world. Again, [[User:Kautilya3]] seemed to be a competent editor, and did not further revert any of my comments, I did not attack or accuse or assume anything about them, nor did I even mention them any further. Additoinally, the fact that they did not revert any of my content again indicates that I was not the issue which caused the revert. I had only mentioned his nationality as people from India and Pakistan are obviously biased to their own country, whether they realise it or not. As you can tell, the comment complied with [[WP:TALKFIRST]], and I had discouraged edit warring and refrained from editing the article itself, despite having the rights to do so at the time. So you could understand why I was initially disappointed that it seemed a biased Indian user had already began edit-warring. However, seeing that this revert was not targeted at me, and after seeing Kautulya3 was a competent editor, I realised this was not the case.

{{tq|Refuses to respect the consensus of editors (reached here) and casts WP:ASPERSIONS on its participants}}
I have every right to question the validity of anything quantity based involving India on the Internet. Yes, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL2ZYXLW5bU IT Cells] and fake news in India do exist. No, this is not my opinion or [[WP:OR]]: Nationalism-fuelled<ref>{{Cite web|title=BBC - New BBC research shows nationalism is driving the spread of fake news - Media Centre|url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/bbc-beyond-fake-news-research|access-date=2020-06-13|website=www.bbc.co.uk}}</ref> fake news is rampant in India. In fact, India has the most fake news in the world.<ref>{{Cite web|title=India has more fake news than any other country in the world: Survey|url=https://www.businessinsider.in/india-has-more-fake-news-than-any-other-country-in-the-world-survey/articleshow/67868418.cms|access-date=2020-06-13|website=Business Insider}}</ref>. And if you want to check yourself, go to any popular webpage about Pakistan, and you fill find more Indians than Pakistanis in the comment section/replies/whatever. For example, even when crickiter Shahid Afridi tested positive for Covid-19, they did not fail to [https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1271720209657630720 politicise the situation and saw it as an opportunity to make racist comments]. Anyway, moving on:

{{tq| user further proceeds to personally attack another fellow participant in the discussion by accusing him of engaging in "chest thumping" and assuming bad faith and nationalities: "I am not trying to engage in chest thumping for the Pakistani military if you believe chset thumping is the purpouse of these discussions." Ends the comment by seeking credibility for a chronic sockpuppeter PAKHIGHWAY by speculating the sockpuppeter's nationality after feigning ignorance about the sockpuppeter's past history: "Their IP address indicates they are Canadian, a neutral nationality in this, eliminating any Indo-Pakistani bias."}}

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kargil_War#Biased_Article_Does_Not_Reflect_Ground_Realities Here] is the piece written by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.244.148.132 this user]. There is no indication of any sockpuppetery or bans whatsoever on their [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:99.244.148.132&action=history talk], nor on their userpage which [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:99.244.148.132&action=edit&redlink=1 they did not add anything to]. A quick [https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/99.244.148.132 geolocation] shows that it is a Canadian user, so it's not like they were a biased Indian or Pakistani, as I pointed out. Despite me [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&oldid=961936631 asking for evidence of sockpuppetery multiple times], [[User:Aman.kumar.goel]] resorted to [[Wikipedia:IDIDNTHEARTHAT|WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT]] and called the user 'sockmaster': {{tq|You can't lend more credibility to sockmaster...}}.

{{tq|showing that this same user further proceeds to personally attack another fellow participant in the discussion by accusing him of engaging in "chest thumping" and assuming bad faith and nationalities: "I am not trying to engage in chest thumping for the Pakistani military if you believe chset thumping is the purpouse of these discussions."}}

I do not know what kind of mental gymnastics it takes to interpret that as a 'personal attack'. I stated that the as a result of the war, there were indeed territorial changes, whether they be in India or Pakistan's favour, and that I was not chest thumping and trying to make the Pakistani military look better, if that was the assumption other users had. In fact, I was agreeing with the person who you allege I was personally attacking.

{{tq|Another thing important to mention here is that the user is essentially an WP:SPA who has obstinately refused to realize faults in their comments laden with policy violations (which have been adequate demonstrated above through a number of diffs), when pointed to them1, 2. User has been incivil from the get-go and has repeatedly attempted to personalize disputes by speculating ethnicities and nationalities of others, among other things.}} Where have I mentioned ethnicities? Other than my userpage, I have found no mention of any such subject. If you look at [[WP:SPATG]], I do not fit the criteria to be labelled as such. And is there anything wrong with me editing articles relevant to my own country? [[User:Aman.kumar.goel|The accusing user's]] page shows that they too have an interest in their country, so by their logic they too should be banned. Moreover, my account is younger than his, so obviously its edits have not grown to reach as much of Wikipedia, especially considering the fact that there is a Pandemic which makes it difficult to spend more time contributing to Wikipedia. Otherwise, I could just spam useless edits on random page to increase my edit count, editing rights and use other common deceptive if I created this account with malicious intent as [[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman.kumar.goel]] alleges.

TL;DR:
*[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman.kumar.goel]] resorts to [[WP:CHERRYPICKING]]/[[WP:ICANTHEARYOU]], refused to acknowledge facts related to the topic and called another fellow editor a sockpuppeter without providing any evidence, while blaming me for personally attacking others even when I agree with them. Proceeds to accuse me of being a [[WP:SPA]] because I edit articles which I am intrested in and don't take pride in artificially inflating my edit count.

'''If any of my actions are indeed leaning towards the wrong side then I will avoid committing them in the future and change my editing behaviour, if pointed out by an administrator.'''

[[User:SpicyBiryani |SpicyBiryani]] [[User talk:SpicyBiryani|(talk)]] 10:12, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

:[[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]], Kindly avoid resorting to [[WP:MOREX]]. If you'd read what I [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2020_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes#News18_is_an_Indian_source_providing_Indian_claims actually said] and didn't resort to [[WP:CHERRYPICKING]], you'll see that not only is News-18 run in India by Indians and owned by Indian companies (it is affiliated with CNN) but it is also giving the same numbers as the Indian armed forces were. Therefore, this would be labeled as an Indian figure as it's provided by an Indian source. Additionally, if you researched about me properly, you'll see I've had a pleasant experience with some Indian editors and the opposite with some. Moreover, If I had created this account just to crib about Indians, I would be resorting to insults and vandalism a lot more, and would not bother defending myself to this extent if I didn't value this website and account and saw it as an insignificant platform for trolling and vandalism. [[User:SpicyBiryani |SpicyBiryani]] [[User talk:SpicyBiryani|(talk)]] 16:09, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

{{ref talk}}

====Statement by Siddsg====
So SpicyBiryani has only 38 edits and he feels that it is fine for him to misuse Wikipedia as a [[WP:SOAPBOX]] against "Indians" because of his own perceived but very personal prejudice/hatred/bias against Indians. I see this to be a clear example of [[WP:CIR]] and [[WP:BATTLE]]. SpicyBiryani also misrepresented [[CNN]] and [[CNN-News18]] as "Indian source" in order to sabotage the reliability of the source when he edited [[2020 China–India skirmishes]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes&diff=961456580&oldid=961452498] Maybe an indef block (topic ban upon return) would be worth it. [[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]] ([[User talk:Siddsg|talk]]) 10:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning SpicyBiryani===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*A [[WP:TBAN|topic ban]] from the [[WP:ARBIPA|IPA]] topic area is probably in order. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 22:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, I think starting the topic ban with IPA would be fine. I don't think the DS allows us to expand it, regionally, beyond that, in any case. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 13:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, are you getting my pings here? Because this is the third time you've pinged me at AE in the last few days where I didn't get any alert and only caught it in passing. I'm wondering why that is. Anyway, on to your point: following your correction, if you feel IPA overall is not too narrow but rather too broad, I personally have no objection in erring on the IPA "armed conflict"-only side of leniency. Certainly, I don't see the harm of a more focused topic ban in this instance. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, cool thanks. Makes sense — that did not occur to me. Yes, ping successful! [[User:El_C|El_C]] 00:58, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*I think SpicyBiryani is editing in good faith, but their attitude requires a fundamental recalibration; a [[WP:RGW|righting great wrongs]] approach to content isn't acceptable, and a [[WP:BATTLE|battleground approach]] towards other editors isn't acceptable either. The topic ''is'' rife with POV-pushing and tag-teaming, but that's no excuse. I would recommend a topic-ban from armed conflict involving India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan (really it ought to be all of South Asia, but the sanctions regime is not that wide; {{U|El C}}, thoughts on that?) and would be okay with an ARBIPA topic ban also, though it wouldn't be my first choice. I would make the TBAN indefinite, with the expectation that it wouldn't be lifted until the user showed a history of constructive engagement with areas outside their TBAN. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 19:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
*:{{re|El C}} apologies, I didn't make myself clear; I'm not asking to expand the scope of the ban, because as we both said, the DS regime doesn't allow for it; I wanted your opinion on a TBAN from "armed conflict involving India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan", which I think would cover the area of their current disruption while allowing for productive editing elsewhere. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 15:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*::{{ping|El_C}} Did you get this one? If so, that's my bad; I sometimes forget your username includes an underscore; with a space there instead, the ping still renders as normal, so I wouldn't catch it. If you didn't get this one, then I'm still baffled...I'm certainly getting yours. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 00:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*After this user made only 38 edits I don't believe we have enough information to specify a narrowly-tailored topic ban. Would prefer to close with the warning that if they continue to edit conflict-related articles in South Asia and keep making broad-brush assertions about typical behavior of editors of various nationalities, any administrator may issue an indefinite topic ban from all of [[WP:ARBIPA]]. Narrow topic bans can lead to arguments about the boundaries and can risk using up space on noticeboards. If other editors want to issue a topic ban I suggest the full domain of [[WP:ARBIPA]]. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 16:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

==Posp68==
{{hat|{{noping|Posp68}} is topic banned indefinitely from the subjects of Eastern Europe and the Balkans, broadly construed. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC) }}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Posp68===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Ermenrich}} 16:55, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Posp68}}{{ds/log|Posp68}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe#Amendments#Standard discretionary sanctions]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia&type=revision&diff=962338097&oldid=962336388&diffmode=source June 13 2020] Using article talk page as a forum to justify the expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia after WWII despite being told that the talk page is not a forum.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia&type=revision&diff=962340647&oldid=962339159&diffmode=source June 13 2020] Using article talk page as a forum to justify the expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia after WWII despite being told that the talk page is not a forum.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia&type=revision&diff=962341700&oldid=962340831&diffmode=source June 13 2020] Using article talk page as a forum to justify the expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia after WWII despite being told that the talk page is not a forum.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Munich_Agreement&diff=947860302&oldid=947857135&diffmode=source March 28 2020] Racialist attack on Hungarians being "Asiatic" to imply that they have less right to live somewhere than "European" Slovakians.
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Munich_Agreement&diff=948022693&oldid=948003113&diffmode=source March 29 2020] Second of two repeated racialist attacks on Hungarians as "Asiatic".
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Munich_Agreement&diff=956806878&oldid=956803886&diffmode=source May 15 2020] Thinly veiled racialist attack on another editor.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munich_Agreement&type=revision&diff=962204807&oldid=962203884&diffmode=source June 12 2020] Edit warring over the addition of "historical Czech lands" multiple times to the article Munich agreement.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munich_Agreement&type=revision&diff=962206805&oldid=962206402&diffmode=source June 12, 2020] Edit warring over the addition of "historical Czech lands" multiple times to the article Munich agreement.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munich_Agreement&type=revision&diff=962490891&oldid=962464376&diffmode=source June 14 2020] Edit warring while logged out over the addition of "historical Czech lands" multiple times to the article Munich agreement.

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Posp68&type=revision&diff=954509816&oldid=954492737&diffmode=source May 2 2020] Posp68 was blocked for 32 hours for attacking me as {{tq|a German of the right old type}} over a content dispute [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ermenrich&type=revision&diff=954502032&oldid=954495945&diffmode=source]

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):


*Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Posp68&type=revision&diff=954492737&oldid=954467863&diffmode=source May 2 2020] by {{admin|Ymblanter}}.

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :

Posp68's edits appear mostly to be intended to justify the current borders of the Czech Republic and the removal of Germans from it. They have some serious NPOV issues and also competency issues in that their editing is often grammatically incorrect and poorly formatted. In the five years they have been registered here, most of their edits have been to [[Expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia]] and [[Munich Agreement]], always seeking to justify the Czech position. They also had an extended edit war over [[Polish-Czechoslovak War]]. It is my belief that the user is [[WP:NOTHERE]].

This is my first time filing an enforcement request, so I apologize if anything is not quite as it should be.

'''Edit''' I've added three more diffs of edit warring I think should be considered, including some where Posp68 edited while logged out. The issue was discussed here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Munich_Agreement#The_same_sentence_twice], where Posp68 gave one of there usual pronouncements for having essentially the same sentence three times in one paragraph: {{tq|'''The historical Czech lands retained its historical boundaries'''. The history of the Czech lands did not start in 1918.}} This sort of unbending attitude (did anyone deny that Bohemia and Moravia existed before?) used to justify edits with a clear agenda, is precisely the problem here.

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Posp68&type=revision&diff=962368529&oldid=962349826&diffmode=source]



===Discussion concerning Posp68===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Posp68====

====Statement by Ymblanter====
I have blocked the user in May <s>as a conclusion of</s> for a personal attack while having [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ymblanter&diff=prev&oldid=954509566 this nice discussion] at my talk page, and my impression was (and remains) that this is a type of user who knows the TRUTH and would always interpret sources as if they confirm their POV, and would never concede the sources say something else, not aligned with their POV. I do not think the participation of this user in Easter European topics is beneficial for Wikipedia.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 17:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Posp68===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''


*In my opinion, a topic ban of [[User:Posp68]] from the domain of [[WP:ARBEE]] would be justified. I don't see evidence he is capable of neutral editing in this area. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 20:02, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
* I agree with Ed. The user is a net negative in the area. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 21:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
*Pops68 has continued to edit since being notified of this request, so has apparently chosen not to participate in it. Given that, will close with the above remedy, on which I agree entirely with the two above. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Mikola22==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Mikola22===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Sadko}} 19:59, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Mikola22}}{{ds/log|Mikola22}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[WP:TOPICBAN]]

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

A user under 1RR sanctions is going on with the same sort of behaviour which led to his current status and continuing his fringe narrative and disruptive editing/lack of communications, which was just recently observed by another fellow editor - {{ping|Slatersteven}}

#Removal of sourced content in the same manner in the same way before the imposed sanctions [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slavonia&type=revision&diff=954218286&oldid=952272749&diffmode=source] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Statuta_Valachorum&type=revision&diff=954232036&oldid=948041118&diffmode=source]
#
#Identical fringe viewpoints which were reported multiple times in the recent past (notice that there are ~10 RS presented on the article) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Svetozar_Boroević&type=revision&diff=951311307&oldid=951303243&diffmode=source]
#
#Ignoring other user’s concerns [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Frontier&type=revision&diff=952159744&oldid=952151298&diffmode=source] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eparchy_of_Marča&type=revision&diff=945738116&oldid=945730925&diffmode=source]
#
#Complaints about prior “lost battles” which led to his/her ban in the fist place [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ivan_Gundulić&type=revision&diff=952487328&oldid=952324675&diffmode=source] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Svetozar_Boroević&type=revision&diff=937322363&oldid=937313035&diffmode=source]
#
#Continuing to push questionable notions on the same page where edit-warring was taking place (the other editors involved has been permanently banned, so it seems that the editor think he has carte blanche for his actions) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Statuta_Valachorum&action=history] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slavonia&action=history]

Endless disturbing point-scoring (the intent seemes to be to paint the Serbian role in WW2 as black as possible, using questionable sources and logic):

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stjepan_Filipovi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959556377&oldid=942566161&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belgrade&type=revision&diff=959311317&oldid=959257084&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_Serbia&type=revision&diff=958604551&oldid=957556425&diffmode=source] (which is more often than not just wrong or taken out of full context)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959231623&oldid=959220971&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=958646770&oldid=958554347&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banjica_concentration_camp&type=revision&diff=958926376&oldid=958830509&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Judenfrei&type=revision&diff=958535425&oldid=958529105&diffmode=source] !
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikolaj_Velimirovi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959779223&oldid=957594106&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&type=revision&diff=960051289&oldid=960039598&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kragujevac_massacre&type=revision&diff=961022710&oldid=960871508&diffmode=source]

blunt removal [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Svetozar_Boroevi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959758912&oldid=958711420&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikolaj_Velimirovi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959936467&oldid=959779223&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960419086&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romani_genocide&diff=prev&oldid=960537370&diffmode=source]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatian_Orthodox_Church&type=revision&diff=925461297&oldid=925459458&diffmode=source] (on the very same article WW2 fascists were used as "RS" by the same editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatian_Orthodox_Church&type=revision&diff=925368344&oldid=925253077&diffmode=source])
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Marco_Polo&type=revision&diff=959541182&oldid=959539949&diffmode=source] (''Marco Polo was Croatian'')
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chetniks&type=revision&diff=960752109&oldid=960741476&diffmode=source]

It seems to me that nothing has changed and I would suggest a topic ban on the history of the Balkans.

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&diff=962376286&oldid=941790562&diffmode=source] Sitewide block, involved admin was {{ping|El_C}} with whom I had a discussion about this sort of editing on his TP.

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&diff=962376286&oldid=941791355&diffmode=source] Arbitration sanction

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
Constant [[WP:NOTHERE]] and refusal to cooperate with other editors.

::Not at all, diffs speak quite clearly about everything, rather than the pile of interpretations which have been presented above. Constant use of questionable sources, ignoring other users and than leaving comments on the TP which just repeat the previous points. That's the modus operandi, which is not bringing anything good.
::I understand that you want to turn a blind eye. There have been several reports on the same user (not done by me) for promoting fringe theories and views.
::'''I'm not hounding anyone''' (taking a look once in a while in order to see what some editor/s with history of promoting fringe theories are doing can't be called hounding; I should know considering that several editors are doing the same to me). Being vigilant and pointing out to potential canvassing, which was a serious issue from editors from hr.wiki is not a bad thing. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mikola22#Potential_canvassing] '''[[User:Sadko|Sadkσ]]''' [[User talk:Sadko|(talk is cheap)]] 22:48, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&type=revision&diff=962564654&oldid=962564373&diffmode=source]



===Discussion concerning Mikola22===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''

My additional answer and comment is here: [[User talk:Mikola22 #Answer]].

====Statement by Mikola22====
*'''Removal of sourced content in the same manner in the same way before the imposed sanctions [34] [35]''' I have not moved anything here but I have added two information to the article from RS.
*'''Identical fringe viewpoints which were reported multiple times in the recent past (notice that there are ~10 RS presented on the article) [36]''' Yes, it is a talk page and my opinion based on historical facts that I know of. 10 RS presented on the article say that Svetozar Borijević is a Croat, whay would my opinion be fringe viewpoints if I say that he is a Croat? What I supposed to say on talk page if Borojević himself said that he is Croat?
*'''Ignoring other user’s concerns [37] [38]''' [37], Yes, added 9 RS [38] Yes, it is a forgery for which the Serbian academic [[Sima Ćirković]] talks about in his books. He himself says that he does not know when the use of this false information will stop ("200 thousand Serbs who came to Croatia. Slavonia"). This false information ie forgery is still an integral part of many articles.
*'''Complaints about prior “lost battles” which led to his/her ban in the fist place [39] [40]''' [39] Yes, opinion expressed at talk page.[40] Yes, this is from talk page before 1RR restriction, whether I am allowed to talk on the talk page or not?
*'''Continuing to push questionable notions on the same page where edit-warring was taking place (the other editors involved has been permanently banned, so it seems that the editor think he has carte blanche for his actions) [41] [42].''' [41] Yes, added information from various RS.[42] Yes, something I added to the article, something does not belong to the article and that is why we are here, we edit articles.
*'''Endless disturbing point-scoring (the intent semes to be to paint the Serbian role in WW2 as black as possible, using questionable sources and logic):''' [43] Yes, [[Stjepan Filipović]] article, informations from RS [44] Yes, information from RS ''"Belgrade became the first city in Europe to be declared [[Judenfrei]] ("clean of Jews")'' [45]Yes, ''[[Milan Nedić|Nedić's]], [[Dimitrije Ljotić|Ljotić's]] and [[Chetniks]] by Semptember of 1944 capture about 455 remaining Jews in Serbia who were handed over to the [[Banjica concentration camp]] where they were killed immediately.'' information from the RS. [46] I don't know what's bothering you here? [47]Yes, ''"In March 1942 Nedić with suport of [[August Meyszner]] establish Serbian State Guard (Srpska državna straža) who together with the Gestapo participated in guarding of [[Banjica concentration camp]], in which among others were responsible for killings, including children."'' information from RS. [48] Yes, information from RS ''"with thousands killed in [[Jajinci]], Jewish cemetery and Marinkova Bara"'' [49] Yes, ''"but in Germany suspected that this is not true and authority from Berlin sent [[Franz Abromeit]] to check situation. After that Ustashe were under pressure to finish the job. In April 1942 Jews from [[Osijek]] were deported to Jasenovac, two hundred of them while 2,800 were sent to Auschwich.''" information from the RS [50] Statement and responses shortened due to far exceeding word limit. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 21:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC) 

{{reflist-talk}}

====Statement by Tezwoo====
First, it should be pointed out that Sadko was recently the main subject of a large ANI regarding POV pushing in similar topics, in some of which he had disputes with Mikola22 too. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1035#Disruptive_editing_and_POV_pushing%2Fpoint-scoring_in_a_contentious_area] Since the ANI was too large, it was overlooked. Admin Number_57 noted back then that Sadko's edits look "clearly like classic nationalist POV pushing/point-scoring in a contentious area" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ANumber_57&type=revision&diff=954111712&oldid=954111204] Due to a potential [[WP:BOOMERANG]], it should be looked at now. Sadko also seems to have been [[WP:WIKIHOUNDING]] Mikola22, as can be seen at Mikola22's talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMikola22&type=revision&diff=962357398&oldid=962317307]. Here's a closer look at the report:

1st diff ([[Slavonia]]) - the first false claim, as it was not "Removal of sourced content". Mikola22 added new information from a RS.

2nd diff ([[Statuta Valachorum]]) - nothing was removed there as well, he added new content.

3rd diff ([[Svetozar Boroević]]) - those are not "fringe viewpoints", both Mikola22 and other users provided multiple RS on the talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Svetozar_Boroevi%C4%87#Additional_sources] that show how the ethnicity of Svetozar Boroević is differently presented in various sources. A consensus was reached that the article should state both the sources that mention his Serb origin (which was strongly advocated by Sadko), and those that mention a Croat origin.

"Complaints about prior “lost battles”" - that is nonexistent in the diffs provided.

"Ignoring other user’s concerns" - 1st diff ([[Military Frontier]]). Nothing was removed here, he added sources which are in fact modern historiography. He discussed that on the talk page, and another user agreed that those are reliable sources. Regarding the 2nd diff ([[Eparchy of Marča]]), Mikola22 did not add anything to the article following that discussion, so he did not ignore others concerns.

WW2 articles - Again, he added sourced content, mostly about the holocaust. It is interesting that on the 2nd diff provided there, in the previous revert, Sadko reverted an edit that "[[Milan Nedić]] implemented Hitler's anti Semitic policies" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belgrade&diff=prev&oldid=959257084]. That is the only contentious edit I see there.

"blunt removal" - in the 1st diff ([[Svetozar Boroević]]), he was right to revert the edit as it was not in the cited source. 2nd diff ([[Nikolaj Velimirović]]) is obviously a mistake as he thought this was mentioned already. 3rd diff, he started a section on the talk page and several other users also pointed out to the off topic content in that article. 4th diff, nothing removed there, he added cited information.

Diff no.50 (Marco Polo) is very misleading as he did not write that "Marco Polo was Croatian". For the last diff ([[Chetniks]]), the content he added was confirmed with an additional source by Peacemaker67 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chetniks&diff=next&oldid=960839534]

That is mostly it. I'll gladly provide additional sources for any of Mikola22's additions. This just seems as an attempt to get rid of an editor with whom the user(s) had some content disputes with misleading explanations of pilled up diffs. [[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] ([[User talk:Tezwoo|talk]]) 21:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

;Boomerang?
Context is important. Regarding "questionable sources", Sadko defended the use of an internet portal article titled "Croats are hijacking our heritage" for an ethnic identity claim [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrija_Zmajevi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=953764404&oldid=953751018]. The issue (novosti.rs article) had to be brought to RSN, which made it clear that it is not an RS. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAndrija_Zmajevi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=956051596&oldid=954320411]

As for "fringe views", some of the above diffs are related to the [[Chetniks]]. There is an academic consensus that the Chetniks carried out [[Chetnik_war_crimes_in_World_War_II|genocide during WW2]]. Interestingly, both Sadko [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3AGenocide_sidebar&type=revision&diff=944619293&oldid=944618326] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yugoslav_Wars&type=revision&diff=953560907&oldid=953543975] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yugoslav_Wars&type=revision&diff=957685944&oldid=957641059] and Griboski [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatia%E2%80%93Serbia_relations&diff=prev&oldid=962019649] have a very recent history of contesting or removing the mention of genocide as a statement of fact, contrary to the cited source(s). [[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] ([[User talk:Tezwoo|talk]]) 22:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:The actions of the reporter are evaluated too. If the user acted the same, or worse, in the articles in question, that significantly undermines the original report. In this case, that applies to all three users who are attacking Mikola22 (see the ANI of 30 April). And claims of breaking the 1RR for diffs where 1RR was clearly not broken, or claims of removal of content on diffs where nothing was removed, also undermine it. There is a much stronger case for a boomerang. If there are any doubts for WW2-related issues, you can ask Peacemaker67 to weigh in as a neutral observer. [[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] ([[User talk:Tezwoo|talk]]) 17:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Griboski====
I can't speak to most of these article diffs as I was not involved in them. I can only comment on what I've observed. My main issue with Mikola22 is his unwillingness to listen to other editors' concerns and to try to understand what constitutes fringe viewpoints and reliable sources. For instance, in this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chetniks#Ljubica_%C5%A0tefan_allegedly_a_controversial_author] discussion it was explained to him why Ljubica Štefan is a fringe and questionable source to use. Yet he continues to say "but she is a popular Croatian historian" and asserts it is a RS. Here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=960123880] he opened up a discussion contesting the exclusion of two clearly fringe sources which depict death tolls that stray away far from the consensus. Even though he's been blocked before and these types of issues have been explained to him, there's a continued resistance to acknowledging and addressing them. --[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 17:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:Your reply proves my point as you double down and repeat much of the same points while refusing to acknowledge the concerns. If a source is questionable or controversial, statements should be attributed to them at the very least but a better source is preferred. No, you weren't specifically blocked for your use of fringe sources/theories but that has been a long-standing issue with you, related to your block. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&diff=945517367&oldid=945501774] --[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 19:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
@[[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] Please don't misrepresent my edit. There isn't a consensus that the Chetniks carried out genocide but rather that some historians state it happened and that is what is reflected in my edit. @[[User:Mikola22|Mikola22]] "Judenfrei Serbia/Belgrade" is a major talking point used by the Croatian right-wing to try to demonstrate that the Serbian collaborationist government was worse than the Ustasha regime. I'm not accusing you of holding that view but it is concerning then that you've added that bit to several Holocaust-related articles while at the same time adding things like this out of context which minimizes the Holocaust in Croatia [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=959627829&oldid=959119925]. Also your claims that the Milan Nedić and other articles were written "with flowers" (whatever that means) before you came along is not true and a case of self aggrandizement. Much of what you did is repeat a lot of the information already found in the article and re-emphasized it, including using a couple of unreliable sources, with some structural issues which needed cleanup afterwards. You did add some additional useful information that wasn't there before, congrats. I'm all for improving articles. What is troubling is the agenda-driven editing seemingly just to make a [[WP:POINT]]. --[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 16:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by WEBDuB====
I think that one of the biggest problems with the user's work existed in the article [[Denial of genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia]]. He removed most of the article, the sourced content, without prior debate on the talk-page or warning using some of a template [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960414150] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960415470] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960415790] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960415932] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960416041] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960417177] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960418403]. Most importantly, that included the violation of the 1RR rule [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960416120] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960416857] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960417549] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960419086]. To be honest, he later re-reverted one of his changes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960419255]. In another article, there is another violation of the 1RR restriction [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956219243] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956220620] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956221387] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956224858]

Furthermore, I've noticed a strange form of [[WP:HOUNDING]], which included some kind of “countermoves”. This was evident during my work on the article [[Genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia]], which was followed by similar changes to the articles that the user seems to have perceived as a kind of parallel events (which usually did not make sense). When I contributed something on April 27 ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=962881076&oldid=953463385] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=962881076&oldid=953489624] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=962881076&oldid=953538908]), he made changes to the article [[Milan Nedić]] for the first time, without previous contributions in this article in his history ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=953404333] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=953406287] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=953407749]) When I contributed something on May 24 and 25 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958577357&oldid=958535591] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958635477&oldid=958583520] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958640386&oldid=958636734] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958644114&oldid=958640505] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958747936&oldid=958741853]), he soon made similar changes to the articles [[The Holocaust in German-occupied Serbia]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_German-occupied_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=958604551], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_German-occupied_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=958613377] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_German-occupied_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=958681585]), [[Banjica concentration camp]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banjica_concentration_camp&diff=prev&oldid=958607410]) and [[Chetnik war crimes in World War II]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chetnik_war_crimes_in_World_War_II&diff=prev&oldid=958952514]) for the first time. I really doubt that the articles about the Holocaust in occupied Serbia, Banjica camp and Milan Nedić are on the watchlist of the editor who work mostly with Croats-related pages. Of course, there are many examples of the direct following and making changes in the same article after my contributions.

In addition to a sensitive topic such as one of the deadliest genocides, his [[WP:POVPUSH]] and [[WP:CONTENTFORK]] can also be seen in the obsession with the most important and most famous Serbian personalities such as [[Nikola Tesla]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla&diff=prev&oldid=955915100] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960510075] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960567632] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960590943] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960717159]) and [[Novak Djokovic]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croats_of_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=962524562] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croats_of_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=962531616]). His focus on removing information about Serbs from Dubrovnik and Ragusa has already been shown in this discussion.--[[User:WEBDuB|WEBDuB]] ([[User talk:WEBDuB|talk]]) 23:12, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Tezwoo}} Honestly, I don't think it's Ok to deviate from the main topic here. You do a great job on Wikipedia, but here we are discussing the violation of rules and about one specific editor. So far, I've not made changes to the articles about the Chetniks, as their crimes have already been described extensively on Wikipedia. Especially, I didn't remove or minimize any crimes. However, I think that the two accused editors didn't advocate fringe views and "deny genocide", but were guided by the main title of the article and discussions on the talk page in which the academic consensus was not confirmed. Personally, I've seen many disputes, when authors compared to the Ustaša genocide, because the Chetniks didn't have a state apparatus and were a heterogeneous group, not unique organization. As I said, that shouldn’t even be a topic here.

:{{ping|Mikola22}} On this page, I didn't dispute your changes (your contributions on the Nedić and Holocaust pages are correct), but the broad context and the time when you entered them. However, the sources you added about Novak Djokovic were Serbian tabloids and Croatian portals that are indisputably not neutral. He is a world-famous star who is in the media almost every day, there would certainly be a huge number of reliable sources in many languages for any important information about him. Again, I didn't wrote anything about specific changes and source, but about your evident intentions and [[WP:POVPUSH]], [[WP:CONTENTFORK]], [[WP:HOUNDING]]. I would understand if you “followed me” on the Croats-related articles because they were on your watchlist. Generally, this is not the first time that I've noticed that someone has taken “countermeoves” and created or expanded a “parallel article” with very similar structure. In addition, the [[WP:3RR]] and [[WP:1RR]] do not always involve just the use of the undo tool, but any type of change that reverts to the previous version. In your case, removing the same content.--[[User:WEBDuB|WEBDuB]] ([[User talk:WEBDuB|talk]]) 14:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|Mikola22}} You should stop with too long explanations, which are not related to the main topic. That can disrupt the review. We are not here to discuss each change and each source individually. I think I clearly explained everything I had.--[[User:WEBDuB|WEBDuB]] ([[User talk:WEBDuB|talk]]) 11:57, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Sadko====
I shall not comment attempts to spin the report on myself as the main drive behind those attempts based on free interpretations of my work is fear of being left without editors and support for certain edits, which have been called POV in the past. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tezwoo&type=revision&diff=960576239&oldid=960486806&diffmode=source]

The same sort of pushy moves, [[Red herring]], [[stonewalling]], lack of willingness to discuss and present [[WP:RS]] and communicate with other editors can be seen on recent edits here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Croats_of_Serbia#Recent_edits] That's just tip of the iceberg, and this sort of editing has been present from the very beginning of this user's activity. '''[[User:Sadko|Sadkσ]]''' [[User talk:Sadko|(talk is cheap)]] 16:46, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Mikola22===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*{{u|Mikola22}}, your responses are nearly 2000 words long. Please condense it to the essentials. Going a little over 500 is not a big deal, but that's much too long. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Mikola22}}, while in exceptional circumstances somewhat longer statements can be allowed, these are not such, and no one wants to read a massive wall of text to get to the important points. If you do not wish to condense your statement, it will be truncated at 500 words for you. The word limit is not a suggestion. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 06:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*{{u|Mikola22}}, if you ping me, you gotta link my username or I won't get an alert for it. I noticed it in passing this time, but next time I may not. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 05:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Mikola22}}, oh, okay. Yes, I knew this request existed, but have not reviewed it, mostly because of your statement's excessive length. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*I have substantial concerns with Mikola22's editing, especially in terms of bludgeoning, several edit summaries which could most charitably be described as "misleading", and aggressive interactions with other editors. However, on a review of some of the diffs presented here, Mikola22 is not the ''only'' editor who has these issues, either. (Not to mention that Mikola22 was [[WP:BLUDGEON|bludgeoning]] even ''this'' discussion; see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=963623158#Mikola22] prior to when I truncated the statement and responses since it was up to over 2300 words.) I would, based upon what is presented, be in favor of topic banning Mikola22 from the topic area, but I am not convinced that this alone will solve the issues present. I'll have to give that some more thought, or would be glad for any suggestions. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

==Edithgoche==
{{hat|{{u|Edithgoche}} is cautioned to take more care in interactions, especially in sensitive areas covered by discretionary sanctions, and to refrain from [[WP:ASPERSION|casting aspersions]] against other editors. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC) }}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Edithgoche===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Aman.kumar.goel}} 06:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Edithgoche}}{{ds/log|Edithgoche}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:ARBIP]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tipu_Sultan&diff=prev&oldid=962304110 13 June]: Re-inserts his completely rejected edit even after gaining no consensus for his version per [[Talk:Tipu_Sultan#Tipu's_religious_policies_in_the_intro_vs_contents:_WP:CENSORED and WP:DUE violated]].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tipu_Sultan&diff=962262687&oldid=959189314 13 June]: Falsely accusing of censorship; "{{tq|RegentsPark don't censor this again citing}}"
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tipu_Sultan&diff=962330912&oldid=962327611 13 June]: Again, falsely accusing editors of [[WP:CENSOR]].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RegentsPark&diff=next&oldid=962335093 13 June]: Accuses RegentsPark of "{{tq|[[WP:ADMINABUSE]]}}" and provides zero evidence involving abuse of admin tools.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=962354804 13 June]: Starts a DRN, and notifies only one editor when there were more editors who have reverted and disputed his edits on this dispute. Here too, he alleges editors are making "{{tq|attempts to censor this [[WP:CENSORED]]}}"
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=962381600 13 June]: Assumes bad faith contrary to [[WP:AGF]] against established editors by claiming that "{{tq|the editors seem to be uncooperative for a discussion or purposely stalling}}".

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AEdithgoche One block for edit warring] involving the same article.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edithgoche&oldid=865378010#October_2018]


;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edithgoche&diff=955039269&oldid=885400839]

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :


Text-book example of [[WP:1AM]] and [[WP:SPA]] dedicated to [[Tipu Sultan]] for nearly 2 years. The above diffs provide clear examples of [[WP:EW]], [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:BATTLE]]. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 06:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

*'''Note''': I have decided to '''withdraw''' this report since Edithgoche has acknowledged some of the concerns I raised above about his editing and I would look forward to the improvements now. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 05:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEdithgoche&type=revision&diff=962643333&oldid=955039269]




===Discussion concerning Edithgoche===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Edithgoche====
*1) I was blocked for edit-warring in 2018, it was when I created the account new and had no idea of how wiki works. Since then I never did it again. We all make mistakes and learn from them, don't we?
:2) It is not accusing them of censor and adminabuse. It is failure on my part to apply the policies properly. Once I understood it I no longer do that. Apologies again, if any inconvenience caused.
:3)Before calling this a [[SPA]] please go through my edit history. I also made contributions to another area.
:4) [[Wikipedia:DRN_Rule_A]] says "Do not report any issues about the article or the editing of the article at any other noticeboards". Is it not a violation of the rule that I am being reported here?
[[User:Edithgoche|Edithgoche]] ([[User talk:Edithgoche|talk]]) 08:15, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by RegentsPark====
While I share Aman Kumar Goel's frustrations with Edithgoche, I think it may be premature to sanction them. Sure, they were throwing about dubious claims of adminabuse (which they did retract), censorship (also retracted) and due, but they have since engaged on DRN and, hopefully, will move forward constructively.--[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]]) 13:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Edithgoche===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*Per [[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]], recommend against sanctions at this time. But I do believe a warning is due. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*As there seems to be no substantial interest in sanctioning this editor even by others involved, will close with a warning as above. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Hölderlin2019==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Hölderlin2019===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Siddsg}} 13:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Hölderlin2019}}{{ds/log|Hölderlin2019}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan]] :


#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962527235 14 June] Removed reliably sourced content in violation of [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] even after being [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=962459857&oldid=959894686 warned against it].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962527379 14 June] Same as above diff.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962528083 14 June] Same as above diff.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962661944 15 June] Same as above diff.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962662124 15 June] Same as above diff.
#15 June: Violating [[WP:CANVASSING]] by canvassing editors he never interacted before.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sitush&diff=prev&oldid=962669816][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Joshua_Jonathan&diff=prev&oldid=962669877][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:I%E1%B9%A3%E1%B9%ADa_Devat%C4%81&diff=prev&oldid=962670936]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962674771 15 June] Doubles down with his blatant [[WP:OR]], [[WP:EDITWAR]] and misrepresentation of sources and using sources that don't even talk about any "homosexuality" even after warnings and discussion.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962674965 15 June] Same as above.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962686419 15 June] Again, doubles down with his blatant [[WP:OR]], [[WP:EDITWAR]] and blatant misrepresentation of sources.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962686486 15 June] Same as above.

He has already reverted more than 3 times on both articles in less than 24 hours even after warning.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=prev&oldid=962666521]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AH%C3%B6lderlin2019&type=revision&diff=962681255&oldid=962677556 This reply by him] even after hours of attempts to guide him to understand basic policies shows he is more willing to exhibit [[WP:CIR]] and [[WP:BATTLE]] than understand what [[WP:OR]], [[WP:CON]], [[WP:CANVASSING]] means. Instead it shows that he is more adamant to continue misrepresenting sources. [[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]] ([[User talk:Siddsg|talk]]) 13:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|RexxS}} It is not hard to find reliable sources for this subject which has been covered extensively by the academic sources. While WP:OR is allowed on talk page but not the main page, the argument on talk page also needs to be substianted with reliable sources than personal research if an editor wishes others to take their argument seriously. You should check the diffs from #7 - #10 where I have provided examples that how Holderlin2019 is double downing with his [[WP:OR]] and blatant misrepresentation of sources by adding his peprsonal research to the main article which are completely unrelated to homosexuality.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962686486] Now since "[[WP:OR|Wikipedia does not publish original thought]]", the only thing Hölderlin2019 could do was find the reliable sources throughouly supporting his argument but so far he has only demonstrated clear inability to understand what is OR. He is also engaging in [[WP:RGW]] since he is only finding problems with highly reliable sources without providing any rebuttal backed by other reliable sources as his own recent messages indicate.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=962970488&oldid=962969732][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&type=revision&diff=962980490&oldid=962979539] [[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]] ([[User talk:Siddsg|talk]]) 03:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :


;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=962459857&oldid=959894686]



; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :


; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=prev&oldid=962688320]




===Discussion concerning Hölderlin2019===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Hölderlin2019====

Here’s a simple summary of this situation: a claim is being made, on multiple pages, that the Rigveda — an ancient Sanskrit volume of religious poetry — contains a particular phrase, “vikruti evam prakriti”, which allegedly means “what seems unnatural is also natural”, which is allegedly a statement about homosexuality.

The issue with this is that the phrase literally does not occur in the actual text of the Rig Veda, which renders irrelevant questions about what it might mean, or what the significance of that meaning may be. There is no controversy about this among Sanskritists: authoritative sources such as Monier-Williams and VB’s revised edition of Bloomfield’s concordance do not accept that this text occurs in the Rigveda. Neither does Jamison & Brereton’s recent authoritative translation and commentary. In fact, *no* academic source by a Sanskritist accepts that even two of the three constituent *words* of the phrase occur anywhere in the Rig Veda.

This fact, which anyone can verify for themselves by searching the publicly available text of the Rig Veda, is not OR. It reflects the universal understanding of Sanskrit and Vedic scholars, and is entirely consonant with their research output. I freely concede that none of my sources deal with homosexuality; there’s no reason that they should, since the question is whether or not a given phrase actually exists in a given text in the first place, and on that matter, the only authoritative sources are those which specialize in the translation and exegesis of that text, and in the language and culture in question. I have also not misrepresented any of my sources, and can only conclude from the claim that I have that the claimant is unfamiliar with the academic literature, and lacking in the competence necessary to understand what the literature establishes.

I have not breached 3RR on any of the articles in question, though this may not be clear from the diffs provided, since the same text occurs multiple times in multiple articles, and has been deleted and reinserted twice in each, though in separate, though sequential edits for each section in which it occurs. I have subsequently added text establishing that there is no support for the existence of this text among academic Sanskritists, while preserving the original language to which I object, and defended that language once. I will not edit further pending the establishment of consensus, but will note that there is no consensus for the inclusion of the challenged material in the first place.

The user who has filed this case misunderstands what OR is, and also CIR and generally the basic policies he presumes to “guide” me in. As regards canvassing, I have notified a handful of editors who routinely edit on India and Sanskrit - related topics; none of them, to my knowledge, have expressed a stance on this matter. I would like their thoughts, but have no prior knowledge of which side they are likely to take. I stand by the context I provided on the situation, but have preemptively removed it to ensure the pings are ‘neutral’. [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 14:00, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

::{{re|Vanamonde93}} I am nowhere interpreting the text of the Rig Veda, and I’m puzzled as to why you would think that I am. I am commenting that the string ’vikruti evam prakriti’, however it might be interpreted, does not occur in the Rig Veda. In fact, neither of the ''words'' ‘vikruti’ or ‘prakriti’ occur in the Rig Veda. This isn’t some original insight of my own. No Sanskritist would suggest otherwise. None of the sources in the articles provide the information necessary to locate it (academic sources on the Rig Veda index lines by book and hymn).

::Both Monier-Williams and VB’s revised edition of Bloomfield’s Vedic concordance — which are both foundational academic sources in academic Vedic and Sanskrit studies — attest that this language does not occur in the Rig Veda. They respectively catalogue the works in which each Sanskrit lemma is found, and both establish that ‘vikruti evam prakriti’ does not occur in the Rig Veda. These sources are being excluded from the articles in question on the grounds that they do not deal with homosexuality and are therefore irrelevant, which seems entirely bizarre — the question is not whether the verse refers to homosexuality; the question is whether or not the verse exists in the Rig Veda in the first place. It’s also unclear to me why sources that are not specialist academic works on either Sanskrit or the Rig Veda, and that do not themselves cite their claim that the Rig Veda contains this verse, are considered reliable ''to support this specific claim'', let alone more reliable than actual academic works on Sanskrit.

::Incidentally, which website have I linked whose reliability is questionable? [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 00:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:::{{re|Vanamonde93}}, {{re|RexxS}} My statements are not the result of ''my own'' search of the Rig Vedic corpus, although searching the Rig Vedic corpus oneself does establish it to be true. If that was a citation I had attempted to make in the article, I freely grant that it would be OR. Monier-Williams is considered reliable (it's one of the default sources) among Sanskritists for documenting attestation in a given Sanskrit work or body of works. Here is its entry for [https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php ''vikruti''], hosted at the Cologne Sanskrit Lexicon, which collates such resources and makes them available for research purposes. MW lists the texts or bodies of literature in which words are attested - if you hover your cursor over 'MBh.', you'll see 'Mahābhārata' pop up, establishing that the word 'vikruti' is attested in the [[Mahabharata]]. There is no such attestation for the Rig Veda; the same holds for [https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php prakriti]. Contrast, say, the word [https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php 'rājan'], archaic form of the word [[Raja]]. The 'RV' listed there indicates that ''this'' word is attested in the Rig Veda.

:::MW, of course, isn't a definitive concordance of the Vedas. ''That'' would be either VB Sastri's [[A Vedic Word Concordance|A Vedic Word Concordance]], or HUP's [https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674030800 Franceschini's revised version of Bloomfield's Vedic concordance], the searchable text of which is available [http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/VedicConcordance/ReadmeEng.html here], courtesy of [[Michael Witzel]] at Harvard. Neither of these works attest the phrase, or, for that matter, its constituent parts, in the Rig Veda. This same state of affairs prevails throughout the secondary literature, including all sources which seek to exhaustively catalogue the attestation of words and phrases in the Rig Veda. There are several, and none of them attest the existence the disputed text in the RV. The only sources which ''do'' claim that this text exists in the Rig Veda are either newspaper articles authored by journalists or others who are not scholars of the Rig Veda, or one or two academic sources which are on LGBT studies, which do not source the claims they make, and which I contend are not reliable sources ''in the context of making claims about'' the content of the Rig Veda or Sanskrit, ''especially'' if they contradict the actual scholarly work that exists on those matters. [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 02:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

::: {{re|Vanamonde93}} My preferred (and original) solution is not to gainsay sources in Wikipedia’s voice; it’s to exclude them (mitigating the need for gainsaying text) on the grounds that they are not RS ''for the specific claims being made'', given that they are not specialist works on the topic in question and are incompatible with the specialist works that do exist. [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 03:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:::: {{re|Vanamonde93}} I ''have'' thus far provided sources (although I'm happy to continue providing even more) - on the talk page, inline in the articles, and on my own talk page; the response has been that these sources are "irrelevant" because they do not specifically deal with homosexuality, despite the claim in question being a straightforward one about whether or not specific Sanskrit text is contained in the Rig Veda. See Siddsg's #7 in the original complaint and his comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=962983624&oldid=962982908&title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement here], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=962670336&oldid=962669355&title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019 here] - he's perfectly aware of what my sources are, but is unwilling to verify the claims I'm making in them because he, incredibly, refuses to accept that academic sources on the Rig Veda ''which are dedicated to documenting the attestation of words and phrases in the Rig Veda'' are relevant to determining whether or not specific text is actually in the Rig Veda because they do not discuss homosexuality (!) How am I supposed to have an editor verify the claims I'm making if their reaction is essentially IDONTLIKEIT? [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 04:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Vanamonde====
{{re|Hölderlin2019}} Regardless of the truth of your assertions, your justification for your edits leaves a lot to be desired. Interpreting the text of the Rig Veda is in fact original research, and not something editors should be doing. If you have reliable sources from reliable publishers supporting your assertion, then you need to demonstrate that; so far I've seen you provide links to a website whose reliability is questionable, and to an entire book. That isn't good enough. If the claim you're challenging hasn't actually been directly contradicted by the sources, then that's something you have to live with. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 20:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Hölderlin2019}} you're missing my point a little. We have some sources saying that a specific line appears in the Rig Veda, and interpreting that line in a certain way. Relative to this, your own search through the text of the Rig Veda carries little weight. If scholars of the Vedas have explicitly stated that the text in question is not in the Rig Veda, then you need to provide explicit evidence of that; I don't mean links to where they discuss the Rig Veda and fail to mention this line, or where they provide translations of the Rig Veda; I mean sources where they say "The Rig Veda does not contain this line". Short of that, everything you are doing is original research, even if (and this is critical) you are correct. The website I was referring to was [https://sanskrit.inria.fr/MW/163.html#prak.rti this one]; it may be reliable for specific translations to and from Sanskrit; but it's not reliable for the assertions you are making. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 01:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|RexxS}} That's a fair point, and one I'm aware of, so perhaps I ought to have said at the outset that I don't think sanctions are warranted here at the moment. My discomfort is with the approach Holderlin2019 has taken. Ordinarily, no one would need to prove a negative; but the trouble is there ''are'' sources making an assertion contrary to the one Holderlin2019 is making. As such, if we are to gainsay those sources in Wikipedia's voice, it needs circumspect discussion and careful perusal of the sources. Holderlin2019 has instead made sweeping assertions, without pointing to very many specifics. To be clear, I am not making any excuses for the other editors here; several of their behavior has been cause for concern on this noticeboard before; some more scrutiny of their editing pattern wouldn't go amiss. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 03:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Hölderlin2019}} Then that's something you need to establish consensus on the talk page for first, and that's something you can do by providing all your sources in a manner that other editors can check up on. Initially, you said a lot of things along the lines of "experts think differently", but other editors looking to verify that would have struggled. The details you provided above were a step in the right direction. I would suggest raising concerns at RSN as well, which you have now done. Just please don't edit-war over it before you've reached a consensus, and don't add sources to the article that don't support exactly what you're using them for (as in, don't just cite things because they don't have certain information). [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 04:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Hölderlin2019===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* {{re|Vanamonde93}} I think that you're expecting too much by asking Hölderlin2019 to prove a negative. It doesn't seem likely that scholars will compile a list of phrases that ''don't'' appear in the Rig Veda, so the sort of sources required to prove the negative won't exist. On the other hand, some works have [[variorum]]s and [[Concordance (publishing)|concordance]]s. Surely the absence of a particular phrase in one of those scholarly studies is sufficient proof that it does not appear in the original work? I'm not sure exactly what the sources Hölderlin2019 refers to (and a link or cite to a book would help), but if they are sufficiently comprehensive studies of the Rig Veda, then surely we can't fault Hölderlin2019 if he concludes that a particular phrase is absent from the work. We must remember that [[WP:No original research]] applies to article content, not talk page debate, and I don't feel it should be sanctionable to report on a talk page that a source makes a claim that is demonstrably untrue (even if the demonstration requires a full text search of the Rig Veda). That of course does not excuse the behaviour in the article, and the argument should have been confined to the talk page. Of course {{u|D4iNa4}} and {{u|Siddsg}} both reverted more than once on the other side of the edit war, so are equally culpable. I actually think this is fundamentally a content dispute which rests on whether Hölderlin2019's sources are reliable to support the contention that the phrase does not appear in the Rig Veda. I recommend [[WP:RSN]] to decide the underlying dispute. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 01:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*I am very hesitant to say that this falls within the scope of [[WP:ARBIPA]] to begin with. While certainly Hinduism is the majority religion in India, I think that stretches "broadly construed" farther than it goes, to say everything popular in India would be covered by it. On the flip side, Islam is heavily the majority religion in Pakistan, but I would not consider edits in regards to the Quran to be covered under ARBIPA DS because of that. So, I believe that Hindu religious texts are similarly outside the scope of what we can issue discretionary sanctions for in the ARBIPA area. If evaluated on the merits, this is a content matter, which should be resolved by evaluating the consensus of ''secondary'' reliable sources, not an asserted count of a word's occurrence within the original text itself. I also agree that [[WP:RSN]] would be a good resource for evaluating the reliability of the various sources available on the matter. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:27, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

==Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Mar4d==
{{hat|There exists substantial consensus amongst uninvolved administrators to lift the topic ban. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 21:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)}}
''Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Enforcement|here]]. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.''

''To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see [[WP:UNINVOLVED]]).''

; Appealing user : {{userlinks|Mar4d}} – '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 18:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

; Sanction being appealed : Topic ban from all edits and pages related to conflict between India and Pakistan, imposed at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive232#Capitals00]], logged at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2018]].

; Administrator imposing the sanction : {{admin|GoldenRing}}

; Notification of that administrator : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GoldenRing&diff=962910166&oldid=958427274]

===Statement by Mar4d===

I would like to humbly appeal for lifting a topic ban restriction which dates back to May 2018. The restriction in question was applied collectively amongst at least nine other editors at the time, with the option to appeal in 6 months' time, which I did not choose to exercise until now. More than the unfortunate circumstances which fostered the atmosphere for sanctions, I would like to focus here on ''why'' the sanctions had to be resorted to and ''what'' I personally take out of it.

I am cognisant of the fact that the sanctions were a result of several issues pertaining to [[WP:NOTBATTLE]]; and that individually, my conduct had been deemed sanctionable precisely because it fell under the ambit of this problem. If I were to reflect on how I've been able to respond and what I've learnt from this experience, my answer will be twofold:
* 1) Since the enforcement, I've made an effort to correct this by working actively, constructively and diligently on many other subjects, and have made thousands of edits in this respect. This includes writing, expanding or creating many articles within the Pakistan-India topic area objectively over the last several months without complaints. I have largely enjoyed doing this; and
* 2) I have strived to demonstrate and follow a conflict and confrontation-free path in the course of this editing, as a result of which I've been able to avoid any further sanctions or issues. I can confidently say this has affected me in a good way and has been a net positive personally.

As for the reason of why I'm making the request at this time, the most correct answer will be that the topic ban has been an impediment in being able to edit some existing articles of late, especially in cases where the subject may not even have the strongest of connections to the India-Pakistan conflict. I realised this most recently when I was writing an article on an ethnicity, and understood I could not expand it meaningfully as much of it involved writing about their migration during the [[partition of India]]. This is one instance among many other similar and broader examples.

25 months and a wiser yet [[Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot|cooler head later]], I am optimistic regarding where I stand {{smiley}}. Therefore, I am submitting this appeal and look forward to engaging in this arbitration request. Kind regards, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 18:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
: {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}}: With all due respect and without causing offence, this topic ban came into effect on 15 May 2018. Your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=866429548 first edit] to Wikipedia was not until [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Aman.kumar.goel 30 October 2018]. It would be disingenuous to say, therefore, what you know about these editing restrictions that I already do not know (!). While I'm personally glad that these diffs, some going back as early as August 2018, were only what you could find and dig in the many thousand edits that I have made since, I am lesser happy with the way you have selectively quoted and misrepresented them. In my defence, I'd like to discuss why your points, IMO, appear untenable and [[WP:AGF|not made in good faith]].

: You have mentioned indeed [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive999#User:Mar4d_reported_by_User:Mountain157|this ANI thread]] by {{u|Mountain157}}. You should also refer to the comments there by uninvolved editors. First, I'd like to correct that this thread was filed in December 2018, not "as recently as 2019." The filer, a two week old account, was seeking to restore contentious edits they had made across 3 separate articles ''not'' related to the India-Pakistan conflict or this TBAN. These edits were challenged by others. Mountain157 was [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive249#Mountain157|blocked indef in March 2019]] for, unfortunately, the very same articles alluded to in the ANI above. I don't know where you reached this conclusion that "most" editors (quote) were {{tq|"concerned enough about expanding the scope of the topic ban or block Mar4d indefinitely"}}. It would only seem that way when a few editors, who had not interacted with the filer nor edited the pages concerned, but were from the [[WP:ARBIPA|sanctioned topic area]] that you also edit in, chose to get involved. Two admins, {{u|Vanamonde93}} and {{u|Ivanvector}}, separately said a topic ban violation had not occurred and neither did the mudslinging go unnoticed ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=876184737 diff 1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=876021963 diff 2]). Nevertheless, I was advised to proceed cautiously which was duly noted. Ivanvector even [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=876313033 proposed sanctions] on the editors concerned, but both the proposal and the thread went inconclusive as you know. Yet, you have claimed below {{tq|"there was a clear agreement that Mar4d was violating the topic ban"}}.

:You have also linked to this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mar4d&diff=854922550&oldid=854552454 block] from August 2018, which TBH was the result of a misunderstanding, but strangely enough did not find it worth mentioning that the block was lifted by the enforcing admin {{u|BU Rob13}}. I was [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive301#Site ban proposal for User:NadirAli|not the only one]] affected by this. Please refer to my [[User_talk:Mar4d/Archive_18#August_2018|talk page here]] for details. '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 10:35, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:: In the second part of my response, I'd like to thank you for noting my contributions to [[Pathans in India]]. I have indeed written this article from scratch, and was in fact [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mar4d&diff=959825559&oldid=959825179 given a barnstar] by a WikiProject India editor who was appreciative of my efforts. I'm afraid to say you have a severe misunderstanding of the TBAN, which is for {{tq|"conflict between India and Pakistan."}} Please focus on this particular text. I have not edited, written or created any conflict-related items pertaining to Pakistan and India, or gone into its details. Merely mentioning the word "India" is not a TBAN violation; if you are under this impression, then you are mistaken and I would suggest seeking clarification from the admins above or {{u|RegentsPark}}, all of whom have clarified this on multiple occasions. I have no idea why you even mentioned [[Kashmir conflict]], given I never edited this subject. You've mentioned reverting a non-procedural and undiscussed page move where, again, neither the current content nor the edit is connected with the very specific topic of India's conflict with Pakistan. Please provide diffs to substantiate such accusations. I'd like to thank you at the same time for explaining my self-revert on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=next&oldid=951677985 this article] however, which was very much self-explanatory. Kindest regards, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 11:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::: {{u|El C}} Thanks. I'm happy to be corrected, but this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=956259277&oldid=954764015 page move] on 12 May relates to a human rights article concerning an ethnic minority in Bangladesh. {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}} has extrapolated this into the TBAN, but the article in question is not focused on the India-Pakistan conflict, or where, if at all, the former is exactly involved. The most peripheral connection perhaps could be that the current persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh is a reaction to the [[Bangladesh Liberation War]], which by ''extension'' links to the [[1971 Indo-Pakistani War|1971 Indo-Pakistan conflict]], but even that is a far stretch both semantically and content-wise, and not backed by Aman.kumar.goel's diffs. This was not my first edit to the article, as the edit history should show post-2013, and I had no intention in my mind whatsoever to change or affect remotely anything covering the India-Pakistan conflict when I performed this move.
::: A new user, YaRaabAlHind, stated the following to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=953946599&oldid=948453766 move] the name "Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh" to "Persecution of Stranded Pakistanis": {{tq|Bihari is just a general name for Urdu speakers in bangladesh}}. Apart from not providing a source, they did not follow the correct procedure obviously or leave a talk page note, hence the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=956259277&oldid=954764015 restoration] of the longstanding title. In the [[Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh|destination page]] of the Bihari article, the text or sources have not used this terminology. Should you happen to determine that my move there is incorrect, I'm more than happy to self-revert, although my opinion on it would still remain the same. I hope this explains my position. Cheers, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 19:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:::: {{u|El C}}: No problem; thank you. '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 20:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

* Hello again {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}}. You've said a few times now I'm misrepresenting sources, by virtue of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=960355264&oldid=960352848 this] edit which is sourced to [https://www.gatewayhouse.in/khans-hindi-film-industry/ this] column. While you haven't explained what this has to do with the TBAN, here's a passage from the same source: {{tq|The late progenitor, Prithviraj Kapoor, whose illustrious family is still in the movie business, is regarded a ‘Hindu Pathan’ by the film fraternity, but a family member clarifies that they are, in fact, Punjabi Khatris. This overlap in identity is probably due to his origins in undivided India’s Northwest Frontier Province, in the capital city of Peshawar, like his contemporary...}}
: If only you dedicated as much time to reading the text following it, you would've known I have provided not one but an ''umpteen'' amount of sources on the many [[Punjabis|Punjabi]]-origin celebrities from Peshawar identifying as "Hindu Pathans", with full in-text quotations. This is yet another misleading comment from your side. '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 20:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:: Folks, I guess I have said what I was going to say at this point. I don't think I have anything useful to add to the mostly off-topic insinuations or assumptions being made. [[:wikiquote:Distraction|'Tis all a distraction]]. If any admins ({{u|El C}} et. al) have further queries about my appeal or statement/s, please feel free to ping me. Thanks all, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 06:46, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by GoldenRing===

===Statement by Aman.kumar.goel===
As recently as 2019, there was an extended [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive999#User:Mar4d_reported_by_User:Mountain157|ANI thread]] where most participants were concerned enough about expanding the scope of the topic ban or block Mar4d indefinitely, and some were opposed to any action. But overall, there was a clear agreement that Mar4d was violating the topic ban, even after 1 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mar4d&diff=854922550&oldid=854552454 block for topic ban violation] in 2018.

His first edit to the article on [[Pathans in India]][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&oldid=959431357] which he himself created on 28 May 2020, is a violation of topic ban from "conflicts between India and Pakistan" given the edit mentions "partition" [[partition of India|of India]] two times on the first edit alone. The second sentence of [[Kashmir conflict]] article notes that "The conflict started after the [[partition of India]] in 1947". This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=959802676&oldid=959800864 30 May edit] is just more of the same violation.

This comes when Mar4d notes in his appeal that he is not able to write about a subject "{{tq|as much of it involved writing about their migration during the [[partition of India]]}}"; agreeing about the topic's close relationship with the existing topic ban, but nonetheless he continues to write about the partition.

This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 page move from 12 May] is a gross violation of the topic ban since the article greatly includes the details about [[Bangladesh Liberation War|a war]] in which India and Pakistan warred each other.

These edits are obviously not the only example where Mar4d has failed to stay away from his topic ban from India-Pakistan conflicts. This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=951677985&oldid=951053080 18 April] which removed a whole section about India-Pakistan conflict involved Kashmir was a topic ban violation, and even after Mar4d appeared to have self-reverted,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=next&oldid=951677985] I would still like to know how [http://www.asiantribune.com/node/93771 this source] supports the information which Mar4d added on his [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=prev&oldid=951683058 next edit] to the article.

I would recommend declining the appeal based on these facts because Mar4d has failed to stay away from the topic he is banned from. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 02:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

{{ping|El C|Black Kite}} The topic ban violations are all recent and fly in the face of the standard requiring at least 6 months of problem-free editing before appealing a topic ban. Aside from topic ban violations, I am seeing misrepresentation of sources in the recent edits of Mar4d to [[Pathans in India]]. A very simple example to demonstrate the misrepresentation of sources can be seen in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=960355264&oldid=960352848 this edit alone] since [https://www.gatewayhouse.in/khans-hindi-film-industry/ the source] used by Mar4d does not support the information he added in any way and in fact there is no mention of "ethnic" and "cultural" in the source. How would it be then wise to repeal the topic ban of this editor from a more contentious subject given his glaring inability to edit while adhering to the general wikipedia policies in a less contentious subject? '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 17:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|El C}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 This edit] falls under the scope of "conflict between India and Pakistan" since the article and the subject greatly deals with [[1971 Bangladesh genocide]], [[Bangladesh Liberation war]]. Similarly, these [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=959802676&oldid=959800864][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&oldid=959431357] edits about partition of India also fall under the same scope since [[Partition of India]] is the direct origin of conflict between India and Pakistan. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 17:54, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::Mar4d: That paragraph in [https://www.gatewayhouse.in/khans-hindi-film-industry the source] doesn't explicitly say that they do not identify as ethnic Pathans. It is only something that you have inferred in violation of [[WP:OR]]. It is related with the topic ban in the sense that it shows problems with your editing in the lesser contentious area than the one you are aiming to edit (India-Pakistan conflict).
::Per [[WP:BMB]], regardless of how Mar4d spins it, the page move of [[persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh]] is a violation of this topic ban. The reliable sources also describe the subject to be directly related with the India-Pakistan conflict and the persecution resulted in [[Bangladesh Liberation War]].[https://books.google.com/books?id=nC9-CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA404&dq=Persecution+of+Biharis+Bangladesh+liberation+war+1971][https://www.google.com/books/edition/Minority_Rights_in_South_Asia/yKCKe7J9Uq4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Persecution+of+Biharis+bangladesh+liberation+war&pg=PA101&printsec=frontcover] The partition of India into the secular but majority Hindu country of India and Islamic Republic of Pakistan "planted the seeds of hostility between the two nations" and this hostility instigated three wars.[https://books.google.com/books?id=tsU7UWGnXawC&pg=PA27&dq=partition+of+india][https://books.google.com/books?id=WuiimV6BiwMC&pg=PA37&dq=acrimonious+relationship+dating+back+to+the+partition+of+India+and+the+creation+of+Pakistan+in+1947] I find the edits about the partition to be an obvious violation of the topic ban. I don't see what can be a clearer definition of the topic ban violation than this. Now if there is still any doubt about the scope of the topic ban, then it would be much better to discuss the scope at [[WP:ARCA]] while keeping the appeal on hold. {{U|El C}}, what do you say? '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 05:17, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by Shashank5988===

Mar4d appears to be displaying the same [[WP:BATTLEGROUND|battleground]] mentality in his responses which got him topic banned in the first place. The topic ban violations have occurred fairly recently. The claim that Vanamonde93 agreed that "a topic ban violation had not occurred" is a misleading claim since he was supportive of expanding the topic ban.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=876434536]

It is clear that Mar4d is still not understanding the scope of the topic. I also note that he has not addressed that how [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=951683058&oldid=951682285 this edit] is supported by 2 of the sources he added because it seems clear that Mar4d has misrepresented the sources in that edit.

{{ping|RegentsPark}} You should move your comment to involved editors section since you are deeply [[WP:INVOLVED]] as you have frequently participated in same content disputes as Mar4d.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=814725083][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=663297331][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=754595900] The topic ban violations are not ambiguous [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 in this edit] because [[Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh]] is much about [[1971 Bangladesh genocide]] and [[Bangladesh Liberation War]], both are among one of the most important subjects falling under India-Pakistan conflicts. Editing about the partition of India is also violation of the topic ban, especially when the topic ban notes that "''further disruption or testing of the edges of the topic ban are likely to be met with either an indefinite IPA topic ban or an indefinite block''".[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=next&oldid=841350919] The topic ban wasn't supposed to be ignored but enforce the way it was imposed. Mar4d clearly does not understand the scope of his topic ban and is clearly not adhering to [[WP:NOTTHEM]] in his appeal but instead blaming others for any of the recurring problems with his editing. [[User:Shashank5988|Shashank5988]] ([[User talk:Shashank5988|talk]]) 13:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Vanamonde93====
The only one of the diffs that's seriously concerning is the page move, but even there, I see a violation made in good faith, rather than an attempt to skirt the ban or to further previous disputes. Color me unsurprised that Shashank5988 is thoroughly misrepresenting my comment at ANI, or that both he and Aman.kumar.goel are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find incriminating diffs. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 16:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Ivanvector====
I support lifting the ban, maybe you would say per [[WP:ROPE]] but I don't want this to come across as a discouraging comment. My usual metric for appeals of enforcement actions in this topic area is whether or not I keep seeing the sanctioned editor's name come up in disputes tangential to the topic, or in behavioural disputes in general; in Mar4d's case I absolutely have not, despite their continuing to be a prolific editor while sanctioned. I remain entirely unconvinced by the ideological enemies who have barely escaped sanctions themselves showing up to argue against their old foe, all the while whining about battleground mentality without a shred of irony.

I also don't know if we're supposed to use lv3 or lv4 headers for these statements. Someone feel free to correct me if I've done it wrong. [[User:PEIsquirrel|Ivanvector's squirrel]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|trees]]/[[Special:Contributions/PEIsquirrel|nuts]]) 19:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

:I'm also not particularly impressed that the two editors opposing the appeal seem to be out to collect their [[The Merchant of Venice|pound of flesh]] for entirely inconsequential violations which have already been corrected. We're [[WP:HERE|here to build an encyclopedia]], not to bear grudges and punish for the sake of punishment. [[User:PEIsquirrel|Ivanvector's squirrel]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|trees]]/[[Special:Contributions/PEIsquirrel|nuts]]) 19:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Mar4d ===
Totally misleading allegations using old diffs are being made here. Aman is forgetting that there was no India and Pakistan before the 'Partition'. Moreover, Shashank must know that India wasn't even a direct party in either [[1971 Bangladesh genocide]] or [[Bangladesh Liberation War]]. And if anyone here is following [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] approach, it seems to be Aman and Shashank.[[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 16:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

===Result of the appeal by Mar4d===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*I support repealing the topic ban. Topic bans are partly designed to show that an editor can edit constructively in other areas, and Mar4d has adequately demonstrated that. I'm not overly concerned by the diffs that Aman Kumar Goel provides above, the only concerning one was self-reverted by Mar4d and stuff does happen.--[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]]) 12:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*Once again, agree with [[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]]. Testing the waters by lifting the topic ban seems like it would be a worthwhile exercise in this instance. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Aman.kumar.goel}}, the scope of the topic ban extends to the "conflict between India and Pakistan." It is not [[WP:ARBIPA|IPA]] wide. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 17:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::*{{u|Mar4d}}, how do you respond to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 page move] {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}} brings up? [[User:El_C|El_C]] 18:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*{{u|Mar4d}}, thank you. I am satisfied by your explanation, overall, but I submit to you that the optics there are not that great. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 19:55, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*Concur with [[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]]. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 15:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:* I will also say that when I see people in a contentious area trying to get multiple other editors topic banned (or like in this case trying to prevent the topic ban being lifted), my attention tends to shift to ''their'' editing, rather than the people they are reporting. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 08:54, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
*I support lifting the topic ban. Mar4d has edited well while banned, which is exactly what we want to see. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 11:31, 19 June 2020 (UTC).
*Agree with my colleagues. Closing this as consensus to lift the ban. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]])
{{hatb}}

==Hijiri88==
{{hat|Email disabled and talk page access revoked by {{np|Guerillero}}. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 02:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)}}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Hijiri88===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|TH1980}} 19:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Hijiri88}}{{ds/log|Hijiri88}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Catflap08_and_Hijiri88#TH1980_and_Hijiri88_interaction_banned]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hijiri88&diff=prev&oldid=962873697 June 16] IBAN violation - making inaccurate statements about me on talk page and requesting another editor to make edits that would be in violation of Hijiri88's own IBAN

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
I was alerted by another user of troubling edits made by Hijiri88 on his talk page. In spite of our IBAN, he accused me of making "a false claim" on my previous topic ban appeal, though I didn't do so. He accused me of violating my IBAN on the article [[Korean influence on Japanese culture]], but that's impossible. Since the IBAN was imposed, he has only made one visible edit to the article, which was made years ago,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Korean_influence_on_Japanese_culture&diff=817966593&oldid=810486122] and I didn't modify that edit. He pinged an admin concerning my previous, now lifted, topic ban, even though this matter obviously isn't IBAN-exempt under BANEX rules. Also concerningly, he says "pinging Nishidani (talk · contribs) to see if anything can be done about the content of the recent IBAN-violating edits." It must be noted that Hijiri88 previously said in 2018, "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment&diff=870866770&oldid=870865984 the text might have been added by TH1980, and when I checked the history to confirm I had to email Nishidani to deal with it.]" In other words, this is (at least) the second time Hijiri88 has attempted to get around this IBAN by asking another user to edit in his stead. This is surely in violation of the spirit of the IBAN. What is the point of an IBAN if the other editor can just e-mail someone else to ask them to make edits for him? Hijiri88 has a long history of violating IBANs[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Catflap08_and_Hijiri88#Hijiri88_has_violated_the_interaction_ban_with_Catflap08] and this is surely just another case of that. [[User:TH1980|TH1980]] ([[User talk:TH1980|talk]]) 19:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hijiri88&diff=prev&oldid=962911465]



===Discussion concerning Hijiri88===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''

====Statement by Hijiri88====

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Hijiri88===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*I pulled their talk page access --[[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|Parlez Moi]] 17:02, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Hari147==
{{hat|Indefinitely [[WP:TBAN|topic banned]] from all pages related to [[India]], [[Pakistan]], and [[Afghanistan]], broadly construed. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 16:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC)}}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Hari147===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Vanamonde93}} 15:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Hari147}}{{ds/log|Hari147}}

;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard discretionary sanctions]]
; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tamil_Nadu&diff=prev&oldid=957199899 17 May 2020] adds an indic script to an article, contrary to [[WP:INDICSCRIPTS]] and contrary to the notice in the article telling them not to do so (visible in the diff).
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jammu_and_Kashmir_(union_territory)&diff=prev&oldid=957198911 17 May 2020] Removes sourced pronunciation guide at [[Jammu and Kashmir (union territory)]], with no explanation.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Congee&diff=prev&oldid=959732874 30 May 2020] claims that a dish cooked throughough south and east asia comes from India, without any sources to back this up.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rani_Padmini&diff=prev&oldid=945832550#Development_as_a_historical_figure 16 March 2020] Removes content that is appropriately sourced in the body, discrediting a widespread opinion among historians in doing so.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ayodhya_dispute&diff=prev&oldid=962290833 13 June 2020] Claims a long-running political dispute is over, with no sources to support his edit. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ayodhya_dispute&diff=prev&oldid=963193499 Repeats] the edit a few days later, without discussing the issue, despite having been reverted the first time.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=951065665 15 April 2020] An absolutely appalling response to {{U|331dot}}, who blocked them for edit-warring.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017_China%E2%80%93India_border_standoff&diff=prev&oldid=960288059 1 June 2020] changes "Status Quo Ante Bellum" to "Indian victory" with no sources and no explanation.
; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any : No previous sanctions under DS; three blocks and multiple warnings for disruptive editing.

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
*Alerted in December 2019 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hari147&oldid=932270902#Important_Notice] by {{U|Doug Weller}}

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
Honestly, given the diffs I've provided, the previous warnings and blocks, and the recent uploading of a copyrighted image [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/File:Chinese_president.jpg (Sorry, admins only) we're into territory where I would consider an indefinite block over a TBAN; but I think the latter is the minimum that's required. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 15:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Bishonen}} Not that I am aware. It's possible they've been told on a talk page somewhere, but I haven't seen it. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 16:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::<s>{{re|Beyond My Ken}} I rather suspect nobody saw it. It came after the 3RR report had been closed; I only found it because I was checking for past sanctions when filing this report. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 15:58, 20 June 2020 (UTC)</s> Strike that; {{U|331dot}} obviously saw it, because they [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=next&oldid=951065825 responded]; perhaps they let it slide as venting after being sanctioned. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 16:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHari147&type=revision&diff=963221214&oldid=960342252]

===Discussion concerning Hari147===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
*Why wasn't Hari147 blocked for that comment to 311dot? I know it's stale now, but why weren't they blocked at the time? [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 19:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Hari147====

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Hari147===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, do you know if Hari147 has previously been told about [[Raj era]] sources not being acceptable? They just added some text to [[Yadav]] today, sourced to a gazetteer from 1897 and a book from 1935.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yadav&diff=prev&oldid=963191513] I'm pinging {{u|Sitush}}, who reverted the edit. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 16:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC).
*I was wondering about that ''tactical Chinese versus Indian victory'' edit warring yesterday when I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017_China%E2%80%93India_border_standoff&type=revision&diff=963145025&oldid=963144727 restored] the stable version. I tend to agree with {{u|Vanamonde93}} that we may have a problem here which is best addressed by sanctions. Oh, and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=951065665 message] to 311dot is so beyond the pale, I don't even know what to say about that. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
* I would support, at a minimum, an indefinite topic ban from the IPA topic area. The [[Special:Diff/951065665|message to 331dot]] is a [[WP:NPA|personal attack]], and the remaining diffs show a pattern of [[WP:DE|disruptive editing]] in the topic area. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 00:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
* Support indefinite topic ban from the IPA area. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
* Support indef topic ban from IPA topics. The personal attack, and the repeated attempts to define who won what, are troubling.--[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]]) 16:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Airavan==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Airavan===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|RexxS}} 01:06, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Airavan}}{{ds/log|Airavan}}

;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan #Standard discretionary sanctions]]

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it : Multiple examples of adding or reinserting unsourced content, or unreliable [[Raj era]] sources (multiple RSN debates have concluded they are unreliable, for example see [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_172#Are_British_Raj_ethnographers_unreliable.3F]]

# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962980579&oldid=962978276 17 June 2020] Restores completely unsourced section. Personal attack in edit summary: ''Please stop editing a page that you have no clue of. Maybe you are a very intelligent smartass in your country but please keep your nose out of this page. The information provided under post-titular contains only two paragraphs and they are about the current members of the family who don’t have books, articles and journals published on their name. But they contain true information and there are news article that literally describe the coronation of the king in 2013. So ple''
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962980764&oldid=962980579 17 June 2020] Restores puffery, sourced to a newspaper,. Personal attack in edit summary: ''Editing and removing content despite it having a valid reference is bullying. Stop racism stop bullying''
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962983136&oldid=962981915 17 June 2020] Adds a huge table, sourced to unreliable 1939 [[Raj era]] source
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962986222&oldid=962984950 17 June 2020] Removes a valid {{tl|unreliable source}} tag (source is dated 1903 = Raj era)
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mihirbhoj&diff=963474257&oldid=963472605 20 June 2020] Personal attack on me at [[User talk:Mihirbhoj]]: "We know some People do fake Black lives matter protests to SHOW OFF. Everyone knows how fake some people are. They do Systematic racism, target one page that they don’t know anything about and misuse their admin role and just edit and scribble only on this one wiki page."
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mihirbhoj&diff=963475860&oldid=963474257 20 June 2020] A further personal attack on me at [[User talk:Mihirbhoj]]: "Go kiddo, read that book by the Odisha Govt and you will find all kings mentioned in the table. And don’t come back with your little head until you have finished reading it. Don’t know how some **** become admins, I’m better than you. LOL."

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Airavan&oldid=963429043 Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months].

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint
: In May 2020, I posted at [[Talk:Kingdom of Jeypore]] that the article had been bloated with unreliable sources and {{u|Abecedare}} agreed, giving an analysis of some of the challenged sources. Two days ago, I signalled my intention to start removing content sourced to unreliable sources.
: This has been thwarted by two editors, {{u|Airavan}} and {{u|Mihirbhoj}}, who have repeatedly re-inserted the disputed content, sourced to newspapers or TV channels or Raj era sources (and in some cases completely unsourced). The whole article is currently a hagiography and needs [[WP:TNT]].

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Airavan&diff=963481678&oldid=963429043 Notification]

===Discussion concerning Airavan===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Airavan====

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Airavan===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* Airavan's [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] in these edit summaries are unambiguously unacceptable, and the diffs show that their edits frequently contain violations of the [[WP:V|verifiability policy]]. Considering that Airavan has made comments indicating that they are unlikely to be receptive to feedback from other editors, I recommend an indefinite topic ban from the IPA topic area (at a minimum). — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 02:03, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
** I've blocked Airavan for 1 week for the personal attacks as a normal administrative action, but still recommend the indefinite topic ban. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 02:28, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*Another day, another indefinite [[WP:ARBIPA|IPA]] topic ban recommended. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 03:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:*Yes, [[User:El_C|El_C]], but I don't recommend it for this editor. Did you see those completely ridiculous attacks on RexxS, otherwise known as "kiddo", at [[User talk:Mihirbhoj]]? I recommend an '''indefinite block'''. Strongly. Why witter about with topic bans when there's no indication anywhere that there's a decent editor in there trying to get out? It's not as if they've shown any sign of being interested in editing outside the ipa area. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC).

==Marvin 2009==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Marvin 2009===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|PatCheng}} 13:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Marvin 2009}}{{ds/log|Marvin 2009}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Falun Gong]]

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

*Note that Marvin 2009 now go by the name Precious Stone as a signature, but his user name remains Marvin 2009.

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961121886 6 June 2020] Engaged in soapboxing, and proceeded to remove [[WP:SPA]] labels in a discussion page.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961979714 11 June 2020] Blanking the [[Falun Gong]] article page, accusing it of being biased, removing sourced material and and also misusing the Citation Needed tag over sources he dislike. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&oldid=961990803 Warned] by admin [[User:Doug_Weller]] as a result.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doug_Weller&diff=962211243&oldid=962154664 June 12 2020] In regards to Doug Weller's warning, he claimed that his previous warnings were the result of "biased activists", highlighting his battleground mentality. Further [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doug_Weller&diff=next&oldid=962213302 warned] by admin [[User:El_C]].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960540906 June 3 2020] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960741985 June 4 2020][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960906663 5 June 2020][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960931781 June 5 2020] In a timespan of 48 hours, continued to insert and revert a paragraph suiting his POV, including several that fail [[WP:RS]] such as a Forbes contributor site and the personal site of a conservative activist. A [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive410#User:Marvin_2009_reported_by_User:Horse_Eye_Jack_(Result:_) 3RR case] was filed against the user but seem to have gone stale.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=960990334&oldid=960985679 June 6 2020] Suggested another editor of being a Wumao (paid editor by the Chinese government).
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=960993079&oldid=960991116 June 6 2020] Same as above, using an article from [[The Washington Times]] to suggest that the editor was paid.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=961055307&oldid=961008997 June 6 2020] Attempted to link supposed pro-CCP edits with real life Chinese spying, suggesting a moral obligation to out them.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=961126817&oldid=961101809 June 6 2020] Further suggestions that other editors are Chinese spies, using real life spies being caught as an examples.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=961261955&oldid=961171193 June 7 2020] More accusations of other editors of being biased against him and FLG.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Marvin_2009&oldid=287199362 May 1 2009] This old edit on his user page, as well as since deleted uploads [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marvin_2009/Archive_1#File_source_problem_with_File:09Vocal_ECard_V3.jpg] showed that he attempted to advertise for Falun Gong affiliate [[New Tang Dynasty TV]], possibly violating [[WP:SPA]], [[WP:COI]], and [[WP:PROMO]].

The following were raised in my previous request:
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=902088103 16 June 2019] In my June 2019 ANI case, he dug up some of my old edits, and together some random news articles, engaged in soapboxing and slyly suggested that I'm a CCP spy, and that my behavior on Wikipedia of being "against the freedom of belief and the freedom of expression, those pillars of modern civilization".
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=898278458 22 May 2019] Soapboxing about the evils of CCP in a RFC comment about number of FLG members.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=894715446 29 April 2019] Similar soapboxing on talk page, attempting to discredit sources critical of FLG.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=890300310 31 March 2019] Calling for the removal of Chinese government sources, using a US-funded NGO as evidence.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=890298087 31 March 2019] Same as above.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shen_Yun_Performing_Arts&diff=prev&oldid=889666730 27 March 2019] Further soapboxing, accusing another user of being "50 Cent Party" (a slur against users deemed pro-CCP).
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=894380073 27 April 2019] Accused another user of being a "CCP apologist".
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive301#User:Marvin_2009_reported_by_User:STSC_(Result:_blocked) 7 February 2016] Previously engaged in 3RR violations and demonstrated a clear disregard of WP policy, launching a 3RR case against the user who reported him [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive301#User:STSC_reported_by_User:Marvin_2009_(Result:_stale/no_violation)].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=694018631&oldid=694017607 6 December 2015] Accusing other users in the 3RR case of being "CCP sympathizers".

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=694040609&oldid=693992099 6 Dec 2015] 48 hour block for edit warring

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&oldid=709022866 March 2016] By Happymonsoonday1
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&oldid=903437249 June 2019] By MrClog

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
Marvin 2009 almost exclusively edit the contentious Falun Gong articles, pushing a POV that favors the practice. I previously filed a case against this particular editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive253#Marvin_2009 in 2019], noting his problematic editing behaviors. He was warned by admins about the discretionary sanctions per [[WP:ARBFLG]], but it's obviously that his behavior has not improved in the year since. Marvin 2009/Precious Stone displays a shocking lack of [[WP:COMPETENCE]] in his edits at Wikipedia, including problems with [[WP:NPOV]], [[WP:CIVIL]], [[WP:AGF]], [[WP:RS]], [[WP:SOAPBOX]], [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] and possibly [[WP:COI]]. I felt that a topic ban might be warranted due to his continued edit warring and disruptive accusations against other editors on contentious articles such as Falun Gong.

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=963560070&oldid=963000686]


===Discussion concerning Marvin 2009===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Marvin 2009====
{{ping|Seraphimblade}}, you wrote that you think some of my editing are a cause for concern. Before banning, could you let me know and I will try to clarify or explain any specific concerns you have?
I think there are several other editors whose edits also needs to be looked at too, because this is not a one-sided dispute between only two editors. [[user talk:Marvin 2009 |Precious Stone]] 00:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (Horse Eye Jack)====
I’ve encountered the same problems with Marvin 2009 re POV pushing, threats, and aggression. They spammed my talk page with the copy-pasted discussions from their talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Horse_Eye_Jack&diff=961505393&oldid=961370286][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Horse_Eye_Jack&diff=961370286&oldid=960598539] which remains a unique form of disruption, never seen anyone else do that. After I pointed out to them back in the day that they appeared to be an SPA only interested in the FG space they developed an intense interest in refrigeration although the quality of editing didn't improve (they were still adding unsourced information). I note that in out COI discussion they repeatedly said they had never been paid for their edits but never addressed the other aspects of COI, they appear to believe that without direct payments its not COI. [[User:Horse Eye Jack|Horse Eye Jack]] ([[User talk:Horse Eye Jack|talk]]) 15:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:I tagged SPA’s as SPA’s if you disagree with my tag you are welcome to do so... On the appropriate talk page, not here. There is no debate that Marvin 2009 was a SPA when I tagged them. Given that you also appear to have a problematic edit history in regards to FG related topics I would watch it lest you get [[WP:Boomerang|Bommeranged]] by your participation here. [[User:Horse Eye Jack|Horse Eye Jack]] ([[User talk:Horse Eye Jack|talk]]) 22:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:Even if PatCheng is sketchy the core point stands... Marvin 2009 is clearly [[WP:NOTHERE]], I’ve discussed bringing them here with other editors before. [[User:Horse Eye Jack|Horse Eye Jack]] ([[User talk:Horse Eye Jack|talk]]) 22:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by TheBlueCanoe====
At some point this dispute (the broader dispute) should probably be punted to ArbCom. But with respect to this application, the filing editor certainly has an unusual history: no edits since 2006, and then they return with unusual precocity and an apparent axe to grind.

It looks like the OP is really reaching here. Some examples:

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961121886] OP accuses Marvin 2009 of [[WP:Soapboxing]]. I don’t see any soapboxing. I see Marvin undoing a talk page edit by [[User:Horse_Eye_Jack]], in which the latter had erroneously tagged every editor who disagreed with him as an SPA. Marvin 2009 was probably in the right here.

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961979714] – OP accuses Marvin 2009 of blanking content. The context is important: Marvin is undoing significant changes that had failed to gain consensus on the talk page. Although the material was sourced (badly, in some cases), it appeared to fail WP:NPOV, WP:LEAD, WP:WEIGHT, and possibly WP:V. Reverting an edit that being contested on the talk page is not, by itself, sanctionable behaviour.

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Marvin_2009&oldid=287199362] - OP says Marvin 2009 was trying to “advertise” for a Falun Gong-affiliated organization by, what…creating a page, whose content we can’t see? We can't draw inferences about an editor's intentions based on a deleted media file.

To the charge that Marvin was accusing others of being pro-Chinese government agents, I’m not seeing it in the diffs provided. I don’t know what the context was, but talking about the existence of a 50 cent army, and noting that the Chinese government engages in international influence campaigns, may be a legitimate matter for discussion. As long as he’s not making unsubstantiated allegations about specific editors, which doesn't seem to be the case (unless I missed it). [[User:TheBlueCanoe|'''TheBlueCanoe''']] 21:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Pudeo====
What's up with the OP making no edits at all for 12 years and 8 months (2006-2019), and then his first edits are reporting Marvin 2009 to ANI and AE in June 2019? Some comments by Marvin 2009 indeed do seem battleground-y, but it is troubling if the driving force behind this is some kind of a spillover from the Chinese Wikipedia (which Marvin edits according to his global contribs).

PatCheng refers to conduct in the Chinese Wikipedia in another [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Epoch_Times&type=revision&diff=963543603&oldid=963334217&diffmode=source comment] directed at {{u|Wetrace}}: {{tq|Your conduct on Chinese WP demonstrated that you have a very low knowledge of WP:RS and WP:V.}} However, according to the global contribs, PatCheng does not edit the Chinese WP. Something does not add up. --[[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]] ([[User talk:Pudeo|talk]]) 19:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

: Thanks User Pudeo for your spending time on this.
: Indeed, Pat Cheng reported me twice one year ago. Now it comes again after one year.
: The 10 accusations Pat Cheng put out are far away from the truth. I am going to address all Pat Cheng's 20 + accusations, which will take some time.
: This year, Pat Cheng also included 9 points his previous accusations in last year's AE report, which were addressed in my reply to his ANI report (that was why I did not respond to the AE report last year) . While negating all untrue attacks, my reply last year also recognized sometimes my reply on discussion pages were a bit long and unnecessary and I would try to improve in this area. Since then, my discussions on article talk pages have been disciplined well - no unnecessary long talk on article page any more. I feel it is an improvement on my end. [[user talk:Marvin 2009 |Precious Stone]] 00:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

===Result concerning Marvin 2009===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/PatChen This] is as suspicious AF. The OP has just returned from a hiatus of over 12 years to pick up where they left off in 2006. Boomerang? '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' ([[user talk:JzG|help!]]) 22:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*{{u|JzG|Guy}}, in a recent enforcement request (I'll try to look it up and link it here) I noted how there seemed to be a lot of long-dormant accounts suddenly becoming active again when a Falun Gong dispute crops up. I think this is a pattern that might need to be examined more thoroughly; this is certainly not the first time. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*:[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive266#Bloodofox|Here]] is the one to which I'm referring. That being said, Marvin 2009 also has a history of popping in and out of activity, and some of the behavior brought up here is genuinely a cause for concern. So even if there needs to be a boomerang here, I don't think that's all that needs to happen. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 23:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*::{{u|Seraphimblade}}, Plausible. I say TBANs for both, based on edit history. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' ([[user talk:JzG|help!]]) 23:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Marvin 2009}}, first off, it always raises my antennae when someone is using a fake signature. Your username should be in your signature (though you could always do something like "Marvin 2009 aka Precious Stone" or "Precious Stone (Marvin 2009)"). If you wanted to actually change username, there is a [[WP:CHU|process for that]]. That aside, you have been edit warring. I thought that the last discussion placed Falun Gong under 1RR, but I don't see that it was marked as such; if not I plan to swiftly rectify that, but I won't blame you for it since I don't see the notice. That aside, edit warring, even if under the "RR" limit, is still disruptive. You've also been casting a lot of [[WP:ASPERSION|aspersions]], such as that other editors are some type of activists or agents. You seem to assert here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doug_Weller&diff=962211243&oldid=962154664] that one must open a discussion ''before'' making an edit, which is exactly backwards—everyone may edit, and if anyone else disagrees, discussion then is the way forward. Edits should not be reverted simply for not being discussed in advance. So, to be quite honest, I agree with Guy, in that neither one of you really have any business editing in such a sensitive topic area at this time. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 00:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
*:::In addition, {{u|Marvin 2009}}, could you please explain why you removed a comment by Guy in this edit? [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&type=revision&diff=963649398&oldid=963646100] [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 01:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

==Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Shuki==

''Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Enforcement|here]]. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.''

''To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see [[WP:UNINVOLVED]]).''

; Appealing user : {{userlinks|Shuki}} – [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 01:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

; Sanction being appealed : [[WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary_sanctions]] banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces indefinitely, imposed at
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=485917007&oldid=485916254]

; Administrator imposing the sanction : {{admin|WGFinley}}

; Notification of that administrator : [[User_talk:WGFinley#TBAN_appeal]]

===Statement by Shuki===

Several years ago, I was TBANNed from the ARBPIA area. Since then, I made a few hundred edits but moved on to other interests off-wp. Recently, I have noticed that many articles that I created or improved have over the years become stagnant and information is outdated, whether in the direct sphere of the ban or indirectly. While I do not have the same free time to become to contribute actively, nonetheless, I'd like to return to create, update and edit even if infrequently in the area. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 01:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by WGFinley===

===Statement by (involved editor 1)===

===Statement by (involved editor 2)===

===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Shuki ===

===Result of the appeal by Shuki===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*

User talk:WGFinley

2020-06-21T01:16:12Z

Shuki: /* TBAN appeal */ new section

{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader = {{talkarchivenav}}
|maxarchivesize = 70K
|counter = 13
|minthreadsleft = 0
|minthreadstoarchive = 2
|algo = old(30d)
|archive = User talk:WGFinley/Archive %(counter)d
}}

{|class="wikitable" width="60%" col="3"
|- align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" colspan="3"
| [[File:stop.jpg|60px]] '''My Email Rules''' 
|- align="left"
|
Due to emails I get related to Admin or Medcom duties you need to know if you choose to email me using [mailto:guy@wguyfinley.com?subject=Wikipedia this link] or by using the email user function my rules are as follows:
# I may not agree email is the appropriate place for the exchange, I will advise you on your talk page that I received the email and I think the conversation belongs on wiki.
# If I do elect to have an email exchange with you then it is privileged and confidential, you '''do not''' have my permission to post it publicly without asking to do so.
# Whether you follow my email rules is up to you but be aware I may refuse to engage in the use of email with you if you refuse to follow them.
|}

{{archive box
|auto= yes
|bot=MiszaBot III
|search=yes
|age=30
}}
{{Quotation|The most valuable of all talents is that of never using two words when one will do.|Thomas Jefferson}}

== Tip of the iceberg? ==

I saw [[File_talk:The_Terror_of_War.jpg]] and fear this may be just the tip of the iceberg with this editor; see [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Ruby_shoots_Oswald.jpg]. [[User:EEng#s|E]][[User talk:EEng#s|Eng]] 18:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
: Thanks for the heads up, seems to have little understanding of public domain. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley#top|talk]]) 02:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
::More to the point, he seems to have the idea that he, alone, has made a breakthrough discovery that all these famous photos and cartoons are PD. He's made scores if not hundreds of uploads like this both at enwp [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=upload&user=Toohool&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers] and Commons [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Toohool&ilshowall=1]. Here [https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=952815394#File:Execution_of_Nguyen_Van_Lem.jpg] he exercises some particularly strange reasoning -- I can only surmise that he thinks the "country of origin" is Vietnam??? I'm not sure how to proceed but this can't go on, and something needs to be done about the uploads already done. Like a stopped clock he may even be right by accident in some of these cases, but his ideas about how to make a PD determination are naive. Here [https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=952805805] he labors under the delusion that if a licensee of AP omits the copyright notice then AP loses its copyright. [[User:EEng#s|E]][[User talk:EEng#s|Eng]] 03:41, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Wow, that's going to be a mess to clean up. I'm [[wp:involved|involved]] here so I can't really take any admin action but this should probably go on AN/I or something. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley#top|talk]]) 11:55, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
:::: We should probably talk to him first. [[User:EEng#s|E]][[User talk:EEng#s|Eng]] 18:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EEng}} Yes, that's a good idea. If both of you would drop the combative attitude and the assumption that you know everything and I know nothing, we could actually have a lovely conversation. I am completely open to answering any good-faith questions you have and hearing about any possible holes in my reasoning about any of the images I've uploaded. [[User:Toohool|Toohool]] ([[User talk:Toohool|talk]]) 05:19, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::Labeling people who disagree with you isn't a good way to start to have a discussion about finding an agreement. I've never said you don't know anything, I've said you seem to have a misunderstanding about WP policy when it comes to making PD claims. You're operating under the assumption that if '''anyone''' publishes an image without a copyright notice the image isn't subject to copyright, that's not true. It's if the '''owner''' publishes an image without it. The AP is a wire service and distributes content to those who license it from them, failure by one of those subscribers to properly credit an image doesn't invalidate AP's copyright. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley#top|talk]]) 12:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::You've said twice that I have little understanding of public domain, I think it's fair to characterize that as thinking that I don't know anything. But anyway. You are suggesting that the distinction of when a copyright notice is required vs. when it is not comes down to "publication by the owner" vs. "publication by anyone else". I think that's the misunderstanding. The distinction really comes down to "authorized publication" vs. "unauthorized publication". Per the [https://www.copyright.gov/comp3/chap2200/ch2200-notice.pdf Compendium of Copyright Practices] (§ 2203.2), "a notice was required for visually perceptible copies of a work ''published with the authority of the copyright owner''". In contrast, per [https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ22.pdf Copyright Circular 22], "Unauthorized publication without the copyright notice, or with a defective notice, does not affect the validity of the copyright in the work."
:::::::See for example [https://www.leagle.com/decision/1941657120f2d5371517 Deward & Rich v. Bristol Saving & Loan]: A publisher of a copyrighted book of clip art licensed some of that art to a bank for use in advertising, without any requirement to include a (legible) copyright notice. As a result, those images were ruled to be public domain. "By permitting such publication without notice the owner of the copyright had dedicated its copyright in the leaves to the public."
:::::::And by the way, for the images under discussion, we're not talking about a "failure by one of those subscribers", we're talking about a failure by ''all'' of the subscribers (as far as I've come across). [[User:Toohool|Toohool]] ([[User talk:Toohool|talk]]) 17:53, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::Hopeless. [[User:EEng#s|E]][[User talk:EEng#s|Eng]] 04:58, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::I never once said you "have little understanding of public domain". I said you are misunderstanding it. Again, your misunderstanding is around '''publication'''. Please review [https://copyright.cornell.edu/publicdomain#Footnote_6 this helpful article] form Cornell Law, it states, "‘Publication’ was not explicitly defined in the Copyright Law before 1976, but the 1909 Act indirectly indicated that publication was when copies of the first authorized edition were placed on sale, sold, or publicly distributed by the proprietor of the copyright or under his authority." You're finding subsequent uses of the original work, not the original publication. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley#top|talk]]) 15:39, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::I'll just add for future reference, since it looks like this is going to be dealing with this for a while, that at https://www.loc.gov/rr/print/195_copr.html we find, "Images without a copyright notice may still be under copyright." [[User:EEng#s|E]][[User talk:EEng#s|Eng]] 20:44, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::You wrote those exact words in your first comment in this thread. But anyway. Where do you get the impression that we're talking about subsequent uses rather than the initial publication of the photo? The photograph was taken on June 8, 1972, and the newspapers I linked to as examples range from June 8 to June 10, 1972. (But even if they were subsequent uses, copyright notice was still required on every authorized copy. It sounds like you have in mind a rule that "notice was required on the first publication but not on subsequent publications," and that's not the case. See for example [https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/reporter/F2/191/191.F2d.594.197.21832.html National Comics Publications v. Fawcett Publications]: Plaintiff published some comic books with proper notice, but later licensed them to a newspaper syndicate, which published the same comics without a copyright notice. As a result, the copyright was ruled to be forfeited (unless the plaintiff could show that the syndicate had promised to include a copyright notice)). [[User:Toohool|Toohool]] ([[User talk:Toohool|talk]]) 06:04, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::He's right about what you said, WGF. Unfortunately that's going to prolong this agony. [[User:EEng#s|E]][[User talk:EEng#s|Eng]] 06:18, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::Yup, I see where I said that now. It seems like you're more interested in looking for slights (I said that ages ago before even interacting with you) than trying to understand how wire services and publication work. I'd encourage you to engage with the community more and [[WP:CON|build a consensus]] as opposed to mass uploading images you feel are PD. Further, the right action to take would have been the edit the existing image that was there rather than [[WP:DUP|duplicating it]] with a new one. Actions like that leave the impression of avoiding in engaging in consensus building and just wanting to do what you want. I think you'll have a rough time here with that approach. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley#top|talk]]) 14:43, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm not interested in slights, I'm trying to have a substantive conversation here. And you're entitled to your opinion about how a conversation should have been started, but the conversation is happening now and this is the time to make your argument. You've made some statements that seem me to be misunderstandings, and I've explained things and pointed to authoritative sources to contradict them. Would you care to respond to any of that? Or is there something else you can offer about "how wire services and publication work" that would shed light on the situation? [[User:Toohool|Toohool]] ([[User talk:Toohool|talk]]) 01:51, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::::At this point it's clear that won't be helpful. You're the one claiming PD, so you're the one who needs to show that it's PD and ''how you know that''. I've asked a zillion times at Commons for you to detail the database searches you did, and how you arrived at them, but you won't do it. You just dodge and weave. [[User:EEng#s|E]][[User talk:EEng#s|Eng]] 05:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sure, I'll say it again. Under the 1909 Copyright Act you would need to demonstrate the intitial publication of the work didn't assert the copyright. You can't do that. You're providing a sample of different papers that didn't do it but you haven't demonstrated AP '''initial''' release of the photo to the wires didn't indicate it was copyrighted. You would need that wire to show that as their transmittal of the photo to their subscribers was the initial publication of the work. Second, you are the one claiming that it is PD, it is up to you to demonstrate that it is as we've already demonstrated it is copyrighted by AP and a letter is on file with the Wikimedia Foundation granting permission to use the image. That is the safest means to utilize the image without being able to '''prove''' the copyright is not valid. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley#top|talk]]) 15:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::::::That's what you said above, and I replied with sources showing that it is ''not'' the case that only the initial publication requires notice. ''Every'' authorized copy requires notice. Are you finding some fault in those sources? Or do you have some authoritative source that contradicts that? [[User:Toohool|Toohool]] ([[User talk:Toohool|talk]]) 17:30, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yes, you're [[WP:LAWYER|lawyering]]. This is a community, not a court of law. If caselaw were to be considered that would be for the Foundation to determine, not editors. AP claims copyright of the image and refutes that it is public domain (hence, why would they give WP written permission to use it). Therefore, the best and cleanest way for WP to use this image is under Fair Use which is what the original image is conforming to. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley#top|talk]]) 17:46, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

== TBAN appeal ==

HI, please see [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Shuki]]. Thanks, [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 01:16, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement

2020-06-21T01:14:39Z

Shuki:

<noinclude>{{pp-move-indef}}
{{Redirect|WP:AE|the guideline regarding the letters æ or ae|MOS:LIGATURE|the automated editing program|WP:AutoEd}}
__NEWSECTIONLINK__</noinclude><includeonly>={{anchor|toptoc}}[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement|Requests for enforcement]]=</includeonly>
<noinclude>{{editabuselinks|style=width:100%; border:2px ridge #CAE1FF; margin:2px 0;|groupstyle=background-color:#CAE1FF;}}</noinclude>{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader = {{Arbitration enforcement/Archive navbox}}|maxarchivesize = 200K
|counter = 267
|minthreadsleft = 0
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo = old(7d)
|archive = Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive%(counter)d
}}{{Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Header}}

==Azuredivay==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Azuredivay===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Vanamonde93}} 04:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Azuredivay}}{{ds/log|Azuredivay}}

;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard discretionary sanctions]] :

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&type=revision&diff=960812809&oldid=953812520 4 June 2020] very many things wrong with this diff. Adds 13kb (!) of content without an edit summary, and with no explanation on the talk page. Includes content about "separatist campaign", much of which the sources do not directly connect to Pakistani nationalism. This is particularly true about the sentences discussing [[Direct Action Day]]. <s>The same edit adds a ''long'' quotation about Pakistan from [[M. S. Golwalkar]], a leader of the Hindu nationalist [[Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh]]. Golwalkar isn't a historian or political scientist, and his views constitute egregious [[WP:DUE|undue weight]].</s> In short, edit violates [[WP:NPOV]], [[WP:NOR]], and basic behavioral norms. EDITED: Azuredivay has pointed out that the quote already existed, for which I apologize; the software highlights it when I view that diff the same way new content is highlighted. That doesn't address the rest of the problems with that diff, though.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=960990711 4 June 2020] same article as above; removes tags without explanation; adds content without a source.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munshi_Raziuddin&diff=prev&oldid=958338162 23 May 2020] changes "Pakistani Qawwal" to "Indian Qawwal" without a source and without an edit summary.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn#Notice 4 June 2020] Accuses another user of "revisionism"; refuses to explain himself further.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HAL_Tejas&diff=prev&oldid=956578547 14 May 2020]; adds redundant links to an article; after they are [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HAL_Tejas&type=revision&diff=956588025&oldid=956578547 removed], Azuredivay was warned, to which he responded [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=prev&oldid=956613830 quite dismissively].
#Similarly, after edit-warring over the primary name of the article at [[Adam's Bridge]] (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adam%27s_Bridge&type=revision&diff=950786796&oldid=950786588 this], and the previous revisions), responds [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=prev&oldid=950785671 in this manner] to a warning on his talk page.

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any : No previous sanctions.

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
*Given an alert about discretionary sanctions by {{U|Newslinger}} on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&oldid=945637253 15 March 2020].

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint : I find it quite strange that Azuredivay's command of English is far superior in the first two diffs linked above, than it is in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Breast_Tax&diff=prev&oldid=959302687 discussions]. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 04:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC) Addendum; two additional concerning incidents were brought to my attention via email by an editor who did not wish to get involved at AE; they further substantiate the communication issues I highlighted above. {{ping|El C}} Would you mind taking a look at this? It's possible that all that's necessary is for someone uninvolved to tell Azuredivay to communicate appropriately, but this is languishing without attention. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 01:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Azuredivay#AE notified].

===Discussion concerning Azuredivay===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Azuredivay====
Diff #1 has been misrepresented. Golwalkar's quote had been added by Arslan-San[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&diff=891519179&oldid=891392260] not me. I just combined it with the previous para and you are free to remove it if you want. The same editor also added a large amount regarding how "Sindh" was different from the rest of India, which is not true. All of the citations I added to article are reliable and were taken from other places of Wikipedia like [[Direct Action Day]] article itself. What I added actually traces the origins of Pakistani nationalism, as Muslim nationalism that began in British India among the elite class of Muslims of UP and Bihar. The content also cited the Lahore Resolution that called for a separate state in subcontinent for Indian Muslims. Mentioning Direct Action Day is obviously important because it is after that event that communal riots spread to other parts of the subcontinent resulting in partition and the realization of the Pakistani state.

Diff #2: Per [[WP:ES]], I provided edit summary where it was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistani_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=960814547 needed]. For the rest it is very obvious that I am only adding the content.

Diff #3: Vanamonde93 has apparently ignored [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munshi_Raziuddin&diff=prev&oldid=958338162 in this edit] that I removed puffery, unsourced and unreliably sourced content. There was no [[Pakistan]] before 1947 so how a person who was born in 1911 could be called "Pakistani"? I planned to resolve this content dispute on talk page for later.

Diff #4 has been also misrepresented because [[WP:KEEPCONCISE|I engaged as much as it was needed]] and I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Goldsztajn&diff=960855917&oldid=960836612 cited a discussion] (see [[Talk:Channar_revolt#Scholarly sources for tax?]]) which mentioned the word "revisionism" three times and concluded that those views were revisionist in nature. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 06:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Diff #5 happened nearly a month ago and has been poorly interpreted here since my final position on the matter was opposite as I had already modified my response and acknowledged the message appropriately.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=956695488&oldid=956613830#May_2020]

Diff #6 happened 2 months ago and at that time I wasn't aware of [[MOS:TITLE]] but [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azuredivay&diff=prev&oldid=950786819 after this] I took time to read it and never added a non-title as main name. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 02:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|RexxS}} Where did you observed that there have been "{{tq|no acknowledgement}}"? I don't appear to be indicating that I am going to repeat any problems raised here, in fact I told how I have resolved them. You seem wrong with your claim that a DS alert is made to "avert editing problems by putting editors on their best behaviour", because occasional mistakes are possible especially when an editor is making 100s of edits though they should not be repetitive. Finally, none of the diffs provided here rises to the level of any sanction. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 00:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|RexxS}} I am absolutely within my rights to point out the misrepresentation of the diffs, one of which has been already acknowledged by Vanamonde93 above per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=961277646&oldid=961211830 here]. I was not aware of that page which you have linked, but then I would still like to know if there is even a single edit which shows that I am not putting "best behaviour" in the diffs coming within a week when this report was filed because the top [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Header|note of this page]] alone notes that "''Requests reporting diffs older than one week may be declined as stale''". Are there any diffs coming after this report where I am not putting "best behaviour"? I have acknowledged that I should provide more edit summaries as it reflects also in my recent edits, but I still think that a simple notice "provide more edit summaries" would have worked instead of filing this report. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 01:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (other involved editor)====


===Result concerning Azuredivay===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*Since I was pinged (but somehow didn't get an alert for it — sorry), I would agree with {{u|Vanamonde93 }} that improvement is necessary. If Azuredivay were to take these concerns on board, that would spare them from suffering any sanctions. In that case, a warning to do better would be recommended. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 10:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
* The whole point of discretionary sanctions is to avert editing problems by putting editors on their best behaviour. Once Azuredivay had the alert in March, they should have been scrupulous in avoiding controversial edits. As there seems to be no acknowledgement that they've fallen short of the requirements, I suggest a topic-ban from the India-Pakistan area until they can show they understand how they need to be editing. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 21:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
** {{re|Azuredivay}} I find all of those five edits problematic, not "careful and constructive", and all I see from you is a defence of making them. You've resolved no concerns that {{u|Vanamonde93}} raised. You need to read accurately what other editors have written because it's the point of '''discretionary sanctions''' that I'm drawing to your attention, not the point of the alert. If you haven't bothered yet, please read [[WP:AC/DS #guide.expect]], and consider all of it carefully before you tell me I'm wrong again. Finally, I'll point out that the uninvolved admins here decide if your behaviour rises the level of a sanction, not you. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 00:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
***I would want to see a precise reason for a sanction. For example, the edits at [[Pakistani nationalism]] have not been challenged—they have not been reverted or modified, and the last edit at [[Talk:Pakistani nationalism]] was in July 2013! The two edits at [[Adam's Bridge]] were misguided but that was a month ago without a further problem that I can see. Azuredivay should be aware that this topic ''requires'' collaboration and massive edits may not be appropriate, and are definitely not appropriate when not even an edit summary is offered. Further, it is necessary to engage with other editors even if convinced they are wrong. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

==Zarcademan123456==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Zarcademan123456===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Huldra}} 22:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Zarcademan123456}}{{ds/log|Zarcademan123456}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kafr_Saba&type=revision&diff=961182157&oldid=961162330 01:56, 7 June 2020] Add stuff and remove Palmer-ref at [[Kafr Saba]]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kafr_Saba&type=revision&diff=961339221&oldid=961323735 22:08, 7 June 2020] Re-add same stuff and remove Palmer-ref at [[Kafr Saba]]

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AZarcademan123456 blocked 22 December 2019] with an expiration time of 72 hours (account creation blocked) (Disruptive editing)
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AZarcademan123456 blocked 28 December 2019] with an expiration time of 2 weeks (account creation blocked) (Disruptive editing)
#[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive263#Zarcademan123456|9 March 2020]]: "Zarcademan123456 is cautioned against making mass changes when these involve contested edits. Similar problems are likely to be met with sanctions next time."

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AZarcademan123456&type=revision&diff=912855463&oldid=869711798 Alerted], 28 August 2019


; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :

Clear violation of 1RR on article under [[WP:A/I/PIA]]-sanctions, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 22:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
:[[User:Newslinger]]; no I didn't break the rules: my first rv was of an IP, (who shouldn't have edited the article in the first place), hence it doesn't count. [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 06:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
:Lol, I am not “out to get" Zarcademan123456, (as he claims); but as anyone can see: he is following me around. His first ever edit to [[Kafr Saba]] was 2-3 hours after I had edited it, (and the edit ''removed'' a reference, and introduced unsourced material), his first ever edit at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Khisas&type=revision&diff=961181744&oldid=961162652 Al-Khisas] as also hours after I had edited, (just to mention a couple the last days). I am accustomed to "shadows" following me around, but I ''do'' expect them to follow the rules.
:And I am delighted to hear that Zarcademan123456 has gotten his job back; hopefully he will in the future spend his time more constructively than his very latest edit: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salama,_Jaffa&diff=prev&oldid=961595117 undoing my edit and re-inserting unsourced material], [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 20:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AZarcademan123456&type=revision&diff=961340901&oldid=961248913 Notified] [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 22:23, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


===Discussion concerning Zarcademan123456===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Zarcademan123456====
I’ve kinda stopped using wiki as intently as in past, but if I broke rules comes from lack of understanding. 1R means 24 hours yes?...
With all due respect to @Huldra, I do feel as if he/she is “out to get me” a little bit...again, as I said in previous wiki arbia discussion, if I violate, its out of ignorance, not maliciousness. Not that incompetence shouldn’t be punished, but as a volunteer website, mistakes, IMO, should be dealt with gently, not with heavy hand (violations). Brief aside, luckily I got my job back so I’ll be on wiki less so this will be moot anyways. Good day y’all

====Statement by Zero0000====
{{To|Newslinger}} [[Kafr Saba]] is an article covered by ARBPIA and the [[Special:Diff/961162330|first diff]] of Huldra that you indicate was the revert of an IP. Such edits are exempt from the 1RR restriction, see [[WP:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel_articles#ARBPIA_General_Sanctions]]. So it is not correct that Huldra broke 1RR and you should withdraw that charge. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]][[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]] 06:21, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (selfstudier)====


Although no action was taken (only 3 reverts, not 4) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive408#User:Zarcademan123456_reported_by_User:Selfstudier_(Result:_) this recent complaint] also included 1R (Is-Pal) violations.

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Zarcademan123456===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kafr_Saba&action=history page history] shows that <s>both {{np|Huldra}} ([[Special:Diff/961162330|23:20, 6 June 2020]]; [[Special:Diff/961323735|20:21, 7 June 2020]]) and</s> {{np|Zarcademan123456}} ([[Special:Diff/961182157|01:56, 7 June 2020]]; [[Special:Diff/961339221|22:08, 7 June 2020]]) violated the [[WP:1RR|1RR]] restriction on the [[Kafr Saba]] article. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 05:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
** Thanks for the corrections, {{u|Huldra}} and {{u|Zero0000}}. I'm sorry for the mistake, and I've revised my comment. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 06:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
*While Zarcademan123456 was given the recommendation to self-revert, in fairness, they seem to have simply not been around to do so. That does not negate from 1RR having been contravened (the responsibility to be cognizant of that is on them) — but I would still recommend a ([[WP:AEL|logged]]) warning rather than sanctions. But with the awareness that sanctions for a future violation would be accordingly more severe. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 10:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
:*I now also support sanctions , per Johnuniq especially. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 17:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
* Too much edit-warring for me to feel any sympathy for "mistakes". Given the two blocks in December and the warning in March, I think that a sanction can't be avoided here. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 21:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
*Given the background there should be a sanction as repeated "mistakes" in this area are the whole reason discretionary sanctions are in place. Zarcademan123456's response above does not indicate a suitable understanding of the problem and a topic ban of at least three months would be appropriate. An IP added stuff from elsewhere to [[Kafr Saba]] which Huldra was entitled to revert per the [[Template:Editnotices/Page/Kafr Saba|edit notice]] "{{tq|[Editors to this page: • must be signed into an account and have at least 500 edits and 30 days' tenure • are restricted to making no more than one revert per twenty-four (24) hours (subject to exceptions below)]}}". Zarcademan123456 did two reverts within 24 hours (despite the in-your-face edit notice) while using an edit summary asking Huldra to explain on talk why changes should not occur when standard procedure would be for anyone supporting a change to justify it on talk. Zarcademan123456 has never edited [[Talk:Kafr Saba]]. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 02:12, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

==Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Davidbena==

{{hat|1=Appeal declined. AE has no jurisdiction to lift community bans. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 19:26, 13 June 2020 (UTC) }}

; Appealing user : {{userlinks|Davidbena}} – [[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 15:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

; Sanction being appealed : Topic ban in the ARBPIA area; imposed here, during my [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive315#Request_to_lift_topic_ban last appeal].

; Administrator imposing the sanction : {{admin|Ymblanter}}

; Notification of that administrator : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter#Appeal_to_ARBPIA_topic_ban Notification]

===Statement by Davidbena===

I humbly request an amendment by my fellow co-workers (administrators) on this project to lift a current topic ban against me in the ARBPIA area, and which action was taken against me twice in three months because of my having wrongly accused two other co-editors of stalking me, when that was not the case. That was poor judgment on my part, and I have since done my best to improve relations with one editor in particular, but have almost no contact with the other. A ban has been effective against me for one-year, last appealed in November of 2019. In future matters of dispute I will not be so rash as to level harsh criticisms and accusations against my disputants, but will seek to address the problem by cordial discussion of the issues involved. As I have stated repeatedly, I have since made strides to amend my behavior. I bear no ill feelings towards any co-editor here, even in cases where we might disagree on political issues. After all, our world is made-up of pluralistic views, and that's a good thing. I'm simply asking for another chance to prove my worthiness, and to expand articles (add photographs,make corrections, etc.) in this field. Again, as I know myself, I am able to get along with all editors, even in cases of disagreement. My edits in the ARBPIA have mostly been very constructive, as the record will show. If I have erred in judgment regarding these two editors, which I did, let us fix the problem with a reprimand and move-on, without hampering the ability to contribute effectively in the betterment of our online encyclopedia.
:{{ping|EdJohnston}} My interaction with [[User:Nableezy|Nableezy]] has been less than what it has been with [[User:Huldra|Huldra]], with whom I have kept-up a greater level of correspondence, e-mails, etc. although considerably less in recent days. If I'm not mistaken, some of my cordial exchanges with Nableezy which were made after our first conflict, can be seen here, in [[Talk:Kafr 'Inan#Kfar Hananya]]. As noted by the diffs, our cordial conversation was still in the making while a [[WP:Administrators Noticeboard|AN]] was filed against me [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive308#Closing_soon here]. I had already understood the mistake that I made in being too rash. As for Huldra, she has communicated privately with me in e-mails. I try my best to assist her, when I can. Even when she asked me to do an overhaul in the [[Surif]] article, which mostly spoke about its citizens from the standpoint of Palestinian Arab attacks against Israeli citizens, I agreed, and we made the necessary changes to that article, to reflect a more neutral image of that village (by the way, which village has also several Arab workers that work with us here, in Israel, whom I know personally and who are peaceable people).[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 19:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|EdJohnston}} following your directives, I have informed the involved editors [[User:Bishonen]], [[User:Oshwah]], and [[User:Euryalus]] about my pending topic ban appeal.[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 00:44, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|El C}}, thanks for the warning. To set the record straight, I have never edited an article that pertains to my workplace. I only mentioned in passing that I personally know a few Arabs who come from the village [[Surif]], but they work in my village ([[moshav]]), for an Israeli institution.[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 01:45, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Oshwah}}, thanks for your response. As you mentioned your concern of a "conflict of interest" in the case of some of my edits, I assure you that I have never edited an article related to my workplace, and where I have mentioned an article (Surif) where I know people who have come from that place, this, too, is unrelated to my edits on that article. The only reason why I mentioned that article (and which I thought would be obvious to all) is that the article concerns the [[Israeli-Palestinian]] area of conflict, and despite my being an Israeli, I was able to cooperate with User:Huldra (who has strong Palestinian-Arab leanings in her edits), and to reach an agreement with her on how best to portray this village in Wikipedia, which before had been nothing more than a very long chronological table of terrorist-related actions emanating from that one village, something which we would not see even with the article [[Chicago]] and that has far more crime on a daily basis. I have no personal stakes or interests in that village, other than wanting to project a view that is agreeable with my fellow co-editors and who are on a different political spectrum than me. If anything, it shows that I can work harmoniously with editors who hold different political views from me.[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 03:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Oshwah}}, you asked me what have I learned, and what has changed since my last topic ban appeal, so I will do my best to answer you. First, my earlier conduct which led to my topic ban should be seen as an anomaly, rather than a norm, since the topic ban was provoked by my wrongly accusing the other two editors of hounding me. I have not repeated the same mistake since. If the admins remain in doubt as to my future conduct in the ARBPIA area, they can take my history of edits in one of the most recent Wikipedia articles, [[Hebraization of Palestinian place names]], an article that primarily concerns itself with geographical place names in [[Palestine (region)|Palestine]] / [[Land of Israel|Israel]], and which initially wore an ARBPIA tag (preventing me from editing there) until the creator of the page agreed to remove the tag. From 13 May 2020 to 11 June 2020 (as you can see by the diff [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hebraization_of_Palestinian_place_names&diff=962052316&oldid=962051867 here]), the article was without the ARBPIA tag and which enabled me to edit that page. When the tag was reinstated, my edits were suddenly halted, and before I was able to suggest an edit that would be more acceptable with the other editors, generated by a discussion in the article's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hebraization_of_Palestinian_place_names#WP:OR Talk-Page], I was suddenly prevented from doing so by the addition of the ARBPIA tag. Compare, if you will, my suggestion to Zero0000 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zero0000#Is_this_a_valid_revision? here]. I wish to point out that before my involvement in this recent article, as shown by the history of edits before 13 May 2020 (such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hebraization_of_Palestinian_place_names&diff=956461513&oldid=956435485 here]), the article had a clear bias against the practice of renaming / restoring names to sites in the country, and even cited an author who had a clear resentment towards those who made these changes. My contributions sought to give more balance to the article, giving actually the ''reasons'' why the committees, in most cases, decided to give / restore old namesakes to old sites in Palestine / Israel. I went so far on the Talk-Page as to translate whole Hebrew documents to provide a clear understanding of the evolvement of this phenomenon, as you can see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hebraization_of_Palestinian_place_names#Translation_(Hebrew_to_English)_of_the_Introduction_to_Proposals_written_by_the_Jewish_National_Council here]. You see, I honestly think that I have Wikipedia's core-interests at heart, to keep our online encyclopedia an educational source for millions of people --- insofar that Wikipedia is a part of the Internet, and the Internet is a part of the media, but more often times than not Wikipedia articles are at the mercy of Wikipedia writers' particular biases. Balance is, therefore, needed. If problems arise in the future, I will first seek the advice and counsel of other experienced administrators before asking that punitive measures be taken against a disruptive editor. [[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 12:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|EdJohnston}} '''FYI:''' Among the admins that you requested of me to notice concerning this topic ban appeal, I received the following reply from Euryalus, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Euryalus#Appeal_to_ARBPIA_topic_ban here].[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 12:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|EdJohnston}} a question please: The '"closure" that you refer to, does that pertain only to the AN appeal (before I opened this one here), or are you referring to the closure of the AE appeal here?14:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by Ymblanter===

===Statement by Nableezy===
I think this needs to go WP:AN as this was imposed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=895743377&oldid=895726239 here] as part of a community consensus and not a single admin as a discretionary sanction. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 16:03, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
:El C, I dont think this is a conundrum, and the community is always allowed to impose sanctions regardless of whether or not a single admin could have as a discretionary sanction. This is a community-imposed sanction and not one imposed under the auspices of an arbitration decision and as such it needs the community to rescind it, and that happens at AN, not at AE. This board is for things related to arbitration enforcement, and this ban is not such a thing. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 15:00, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I mean it would probably help get a more robust discussion if he notified the people who he had been in conflict with previously and more directly answered the requests posed to him from the people that did comment there, and who said they would vote when answered. Just unarchive the AN or make a new one. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 16:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by Oshwah===
From what I've gathered from past events, it appears that [[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] was topic-banned from [[WP:ARBPIA|Palestine-Israel-related matters]] by community [[WP:CON|consensus]] in August 2018 ([[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive989#Davidbena|link to discussion]]). This ban was lifted by the community in February 2019 in a discussion at [[WP:AN|AN]] ([[Special:Diff/884685106|diff]], [[Special:Permalink/884685106#Request_to_lift_my_topic_ban_issued_against_me_in_August_2018|permalink]]). This ban was then applied ''again'' by the community only ''three months later'' in May 2019 ([[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive308#Hounding_and_Deliberate_Disruptive_Editing|link to discussion]]). Davidbena tried appealing this topic ban in a discussion at [[WP:AN|AN]] six months later in November 2019 ([[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive315#Request_to_lift_topic_ban|link to discussion]]), which was unsuccessful. He then tried appealing again just shy of two weeks ago, which didn't result in much discussion let alone [[WP:CON|consensus]] ([[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly_requesting_admins_to_rescind_my_ARBPIA_topic_ban|link to discussion]]). What concerns me here is that Davidbena has been given multiple opportunities to improve their behavior in this topic area, and even after the community lifted this ban to give him another chance and an opportunity to demonstrate improvement in this area, the community had to go back and re-instate the ban only ''three months'' after it was lifted. This is an obvious red flag to me, as well the statement above that he made ([[Special:Diff/961907348|diff]]) stating, {{green|"I have never edited an article that pertains to my workplace. I only mentioned in passing that I personally know a few Arabs who come from the village Surif, but they work in my village (moshav), for an Israeli institution."}} This makes me feel that there's a level of ongoing [[WP:COI|personal conflict of interest]] (either at an emotional level or something of that matter) that's the driving force behind these behaviors and issues. If a user cannot manage their (possible) conflicts of interest or even just subjects or topics that evoke emotions or other feelings, then we have a duty to protect the project from [[WP:DE|disruption]]. If doing so requires that we set appropriate boundaries and apply necessary sanctions for these users, then that's what has to happen. I feel that, in this case, we've given this user multiple opportunities to correct their behavior, learn from their mistakes, and demonstrate improvement. What's different between now and the last time that Davidbena appealed their ban and the community decided to lift it? What didn't Davidbena learn from last time that he understands now? How is he going to improve his behavior ''this time'' that he didn't do before, and how is it going to stop any more issues moving forward? There's a lot of questions, and I the overall timeline of events should give us great pause. If we're going to appeal this ban, his answers to my questions above should (at a minimum) be ''very convincing''... [[User:Oshwah|~Oshwah~]][[User_talk:Oshwah|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|(contribs)]] 02:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] - Thank you for the response. Conflict of interest aside, what about the other questions I asked above? What's different between now and the last time that you appealed your ban and the community decided to lift it? What didn't you learn from last time that you understand now? What happened and what caused you to need a reinstatement of this topic ban a second time? Why didn't the behavior improve after the first ban was lifted? How are you going to improve your behavior ''this time'' that you didn't do before but should have? What will be different ''this time''? How are you going to stop any more issues from occurring moving forward, and how are those changes going to keep yourself out of trouble in this topic area and prevent this from happening ever again? [[User:Oshwah|~Oshwah~]][[User_talk:Oshwah|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|(contribs)]] 03:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by Levivich (David Bena)===
{{yo|EdJohnston}} when you close this, may I suggest a clear statement in the closing statement that consensus here is that "Davidbena can then make a new request at WP:AN if desired and point out that his May 27 appeal at AN was archived without being formally closed." Because without a crystal-clear closing statement to that effect, I'm 100% sure DB will be accused by someone of "forum shopping" when he opens the AN thread. (Even with a crystal-clear closing statement, the accusation may still be made, but the closing statement signed by an admin will help rebut it.) Also if he's supposed to notify prior closers or anyone else, that would be helpful to put in the closing statement, too. Give him clear instructions he can follow, so he doesn't get unfairly accused of trying to game the system in the future. Thanks, [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] [''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]''] 15:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Davidbena ===
*I endorse the appeal by Davidbena as he has apologized and realizes where he went wrong. He is a knowledgeable and positive contributor to WP. Thank you, [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 23:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

===Result of the appeal by Davidbena===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*David has already attempted to appeal at AN recently ([[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly_requesting_admins_to_rescind_my_ARBPIA_topic_ban|archived here]]), where his appeal languished and received few response (none from admins). Because the free-form AN and ANI rarely mixes well with ARBPIA, I almost always recommend that such discussions be brought here under the [[WP:ACDS|discretionary sanctions]] regime. But since this was a community ban (logged at [[WP:RESTRICT]] rather than at [[WP:AEL]]), I'm really at a loss at what he could do to get an appeal that includes a [[WP:ANRFC|proper closure]]. Take it back to AN yet again, so soon? Try again at AN in six months? But, indeed, I don't think admins at AE have the power to override a community ban at AN. At the same time, what is an appellant to do when they get hardly anyone to participate in their appeal, not to mention decide it. I don't think that has ever happens here, at AE. That is partially why I recommend that ''no'' ARBPIA matters be discussed at AN and ANI, pretty much ever. Because then, among other things, we end up with these conundrums. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
:*Nableezy, that doesn't really respond to what I said, so I don't really have a followup. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 16:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
::*{{u|Floquenbeam}}, indeed, there ''is'' an obligation, but the last appeal languished for about week. I just hope that does not happen again. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 16:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*Nableezy, I don't think David should be obligated to notify neither editors who he has been in dispute with (likely to sink his appeal) nor ones who are more like-minded (likely to come across as [[WP:CANVASS|canvassing]]). That's just a recipe for future problems. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 16:57, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
::::*Per Ed, any "others" mentioned by David should be mentioned by name or not mentioned at all. I agree that he can't have it both ways. But my advise to David would be to limit himself to ''himself'' rather than draw parallels with other editors. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 00:29, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::*David, in general, you should not be editing any article that relates to your workplace, per Wikipedia's [[WP:COI|conflict of interest policy]]. Please keep that in mind if your appeal ends up being granted. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 01:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
::::::*Sounds good [[User:EdJohnston|Ed]]. Please go ahead. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 16:11, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
*I'd recommend unarchiving the AN request, rather than making a new one. If the community imposes a sanction, we kind of have an obligation to review a request to remove it. This is clearly the wrong venue for reviewing a community sanction, and would just cause another AN thread if it was overturned here. I do not think a lack of significant participation in the previous attempt should count for or against removal. Unarchiving should get more eyes this time around. If Davidbena is worried about criticism of somehow gaming the system by unarchiving, let me know and I'll do it. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 16:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
*::I'm confused why this is still going on here. Three uninvolved admins have now said that the small subset of the community who are admins that patrol AE can't overturn a community consensus. No uninvolved admins have said they can. To be clear, I '''oppose''' a removal of the topic ban based on any discussion, no matter how long or how well attended, that occurs here. Just like I'd oppose it if it happened on Davidbena's talk page, or [[Talk:Peanut butter]]. At this time, I'm neutral on such a request if it is returned to AN, but if this is how Davidbena reacts to feedback, I also think it does not bode well for a ban removal. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 14:09, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:*I support [[User:Floquenbeam]]'s idea of unarchiving Davidbena's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly_requesting_admins_to_rescind_my_ARBPIA_topic_ban last AN ban appeal]. When he does so, perhaps he can include links to all the prior ban or unban discussions:
::#August 2018 – Original TBAN thread: [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive989#Davidbena]]
::#February 2019 – Successful appeal of first TBAN: [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive306#Request to lift my topic ban issued against me in August 2018]]
::#April 2019 – Second TBAN imposed: [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive308#Hounding and Deliberate Disruptive Editing]]
::#November 2019 – Unsuccessful appeal of second TBAN: [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive315#Request to lift topic ban]]
::#May 2020 – Latest appeal of second TBAN: [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly requesting admins to rescind my ARBPIA topic ban]] – This appeal was archived from AN without any closure.
::At the same time, the prior closers ought to be notified: Bishonen, Oshwah and Euryalus. If Davidbena renews his AN appeal, he needs a better argument. (A vague promise to do better in the future might be OK the first time around). He should address his past problems with more than generalities. Also, it will be more persuasive if he doesn't [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly_requesting_admins_to_rescind_my_ARBPIA_topic_ban take up space in his own appeal to blame others:] {{green|"others with many more blocks than me have been allowed to edit in this area."}}. Also he mentions two co-editors in the area who used to be opponents that he now gets along with. {{green|"The same editors that I disagreed with, I have also a long record of cordial relations with, here on Wikipedia"}}. Maybe he can give the names of those two editors and ask them to comment on his appeal. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 18:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
::*Per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=962170992&oldid=962165709 Floquenbeam's latest comment] I am planning to close this as 'Appeal declined; no jurisdiction'. Davidbena can then make a new request at WP:AN if desired and point out that his May 27 appeal at AN was archived without being formally closed. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 15:29, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*Closing as declined per my above comment. None of the administrators believes that we can lift a community ban here. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 19:22, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==SpicyBiryani==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning SpicyBiryani===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Aman.kumar.goel}} 21:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|SpicyBiryani}}{{ds/log|SpicyBiryani}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[WP:ARBIP]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=960063973&oldid=960000286 23:20, 31 May 2020]: In their very first post on [[Talk:Kargil War]], user commits an egregious violation of [[WP:ASPERSIONS]] by assuming nationalities of fellow editors: {{tq|an Indian user has reverted this page....If any Indian editors have objections}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961481917&oldid=961429958 18:45, 8 June 2020]: Refuses to respect the [[WP:CON|consensus of editors]] ([[Talk:Kargil War#Result_in_infobox|reached here]]) and casts [[WP:ASPERSIONS]] on its participants: {{tq|a 'consensus' doesn't really mean much anyway considering that ''India'' who has the largest internet presence in the world, the most fake news in the world, and ''IT'' Cells who actively ''spread propaganda'' in organised brigades for the government}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961658084&oldid=961599932 18:24, 9 June 2020]: On [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961597154&oldid=961528770 being told] how his inappropriate labelling of fellow editors as ''IT Cell'' and Indian government sponsored ''propagandist'' and his obstinate refusal to accept the consensus breached core policies like [[WP:NPOV]], user doubles down on the violations and resorts to adhominem attacks to impugn the unanimous consensus: {{tq|I have not targeted a single editor but given a reason to doubt the validity of any quantity based decisions made involving India on the internet...}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961658084&oldid=961599932 18:24, 9 June 2020]: Same diff, showing that this same user further proceeds to [[WP:NPA|personally attack]] another fellow participant in the discussion by accusing him of engaging in "''chest thumping''" and assuming bad faith and nationalities: {{tq|I am not trying to engage in chest thumping for the Pakistani military if you believe chset thumping is the purpouse of these discussions.}} Ends the comment by seeking credibility for a chronic sockpuppeter {{U|PAKHIGHWAY}} by speculating the sockpuppeter's nationality after feigning ignorance about the sockpuppeter's past history: {{tq|Their IP address indicates they are Canadian, a neutral nationality in this, eliminating any Indo-Pakistani bias.}}



;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]): User is aware of the discretionary sanction in effect in the India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan topic area [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SpicyBiryani per their talk page], but all the same they were notified about it again on ''31 May 2020''.

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :

To begin with, the report is strictly confined to the conduct of the reported user, which on the whole has been lamentable. A persual of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kargil_War#Infobox_very_inaccurate relevant talk page discussion] alone would show the user's repeated [[WP: IDIDNTHEARTHAT]] behavior, breach of core policies like [[WP:NPA]], [[WP: ASPERSIONS]], [[WP:BATTLE]] and last but not the least [[WP:CPUSH]] (in particular the part that reads, {{tq|
''They will attempt to label others or otherwise discredit their opinion based on that person's associations rather than the core of their argument. See ad hominem.''}}

Another thing important to mention here is that the user is essentially an [[WP:SPA]] who has obstinately refused to realize faults in their comments laden with policy violations (which have been adequate demonstrated above through a number of diffs), when pointed to them[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&diff=961597154&oldid=961528770 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASpicyBiryani&type=revision&diff=961935762&oldid=961910674 2]. User has been incivil from the get-go and has repeatedly attempted to personalize disputes by speculating ethnicities and nationalities of others, among other things.

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SpicyBiryani&diff=962237463&oldid=961935762]



===Discussion concerning SpicyBiryani===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by SpicyBiryani====
{{tq|User is aware of the discretionary sanction in effect in the India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan topic area per their talk page, but all the same they were notified about it again on 31 May 2020.}}

Firstly, I had been notified of the sanctions well before I had edited the talk page, which you'd know if you'd bothered [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SpicyBiryani&action=history looking at the page history] instead of resorting to [[WP:CHERRYPICKING]] as you have attempted to throughout the rest of your allegations. Do not make things up to discredit me.

Secondly, I have not speculated '''anyone's''' nationality. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AKargil_War&type=revision&diff=960000286&oldid=960000136 Here], you can see that [[User:Kautilya3]], who is ''Indian'', as you can see on their userpage, had reverted the page, to clear up un-neccessary discussion about the Kargil War, instead of the about the article. I had left a comment about the infobox that got caught up in this along some others. So, assuming it was a mistake as [[User:Kautilya3]] is a seemingly competent editor, I re-addressed the issue on the talk page, and just to be on the safe side, changed it to remove as much commentary on the actual war as possible and to focus on the article more. Jingoism on such pages by Indian and Pakistani users is not new, the former being more common due to India having the largest (mostly uncensored) internet population in the world. Again, [[User:Kautilya3]] seemed to be a competent editor, and did not further revert any of my comments, I did not attack or accuse or assume anything about them, nor did I even mention them any further. Additoinally, the fact that they did not revert any of my content again indicates that I was not the issue which caused the revert. I had only mentioned his nationality as people from India and Pakistan are obviously biased to their own country, whether they realise it or not. As you can tell, the comment complied with [[WP:TALKFIRST]], and I had discouraged edit warring and refrained from editing the article itself, despite having the rights to do so at the time. So you could understand why I was initially disappointed that it seemed a biased Indian user had already began edit-warring. However, seeing that this revert was not targeted at me, and after seeing Kautulya3 was a competent editor, I realised this was not the case.

{{tq|Refuses to respect the consensus of editors (reached here) and casts WP:ASPERSIONS on its participants}}
I have every right to question the validity of anything quantity based involving India on the Internet. Yes, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL2ZYXLW5bU IT Cells] and fake news in India do exist. No, this is not my opinion or [[WP:OR]]: Nationalism-fuelled<ref>{{Cite web|title=BBC - New BBC research shows nationalism is driving the spread of fake news - Media Centre|url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/bbc-beyond-fake-news-research|access-date=2020-06-13|website=www.bbc.co.uk}}</ref> fake news is rampant in India. In fact, India has the most fake news in the world.<ref>{{Cite web|title=India has more fake news than any other country in the world: Survey|url=https://www.businessinsider.in/india-has-more-fake-news-than-any-other-country-in-the-world-survey/articleshow/67868418.cms|access-date=2020-06-13|website=Business Insider}}</ref>. And if you want to check yourself, go to any popular webpage about Pakistan, and you fill find more Indians than Pakistanis in the comment section/replies/whatever. For example, even when crickiter Shahid Afridi tested positive for Covid-19, they did not fail to [https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1271720209657630720 politicise the situation and saw it as an opportunity to make racist comments]. Anyway, moving on:

{{tq| user further proceeds to personally attack another fellow participant in the discussion by accusing him of engaging in "chest thumping" and assuming bad faith and nationalities: "I am not trying to engage in chest thumping for the Pakistani military if you believe chset thumping is the purpouse of these discussions." Ends the comment by seeking credibility for a chronic sockpuppeter PAKHIGHWAY by speculating the sockpuppeter's nationality after feigning ignorance about the sockpuppeter's past history: "Their IP address indicates they are Canadian, a neutral nationality in this, eliminating any Indo-Pakistani bias."}}

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kargil_War#Biased_Article_Does_Not_Reflect_Ground_Realities Here] is the piece written by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.244.148.132 this user]. There is no indication of any sockpuppetery or bans whatsoever on their [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:99.244.148.132&action=history talk], nor on their userpage which [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:99.244.148.132&action=edit&redlink=1 they did not add anything to]. A quick [https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/99.244.148.132 geolocation] shows that it is a Canadian user, so it's not like they were a biased Indian or Pakistani, as I pointed out. Despite me [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kargil_War&oldid=961936631 asking for evidence of sockpuppetery multiple times], [[User:Aman.kumar.goel]] resorted to [[Wikipedia:IDIDNTHEARTHAT|WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT]] and called the user 'sockmaster': {{tq|You can't lend more credibility to sockmaster...}}.

{{tq|showing that this same user further proceeds to personally attack another fellow participant in the discussion by accusing him of engaging in "chest thumping" and assuming bad faith and nationalities: "I am not trying to engage in chest thumping for the Pakistani military if you believe chset thumping is the purpouse of these discussions."}}

I do not know what kind of mental gymnastics it takes to interpret that as a 'personal attack'. I stated that the as a result of the war, there were indeed territorial changes, whether they be in India or Pakistan's favour, and that I was not chest thumping and trying to make the Pakistani military look better, if that was the assumption other users had. In fact, I was agreeing with the person who you allege I was personally attacking.

{{tq|Another thing important to mention here is that the user is essentially an WP:SPA who has obstinately refused to realize faults in their comments laden with policy violations (which have been adequate demonstrated above through a number of diffs), when pointed to them1, 2. User has been incivil from the get-go and has repeatedly attempted to personalize disputes by speculating ethnicities and nationalities of others, among other things.}} Where have I mentioned ethnicities? Other than my userpage, I have found no mention of any such subject. If you look at [[WP:SPATG]], I do not fit the criteria to be labelled as such. And is there anything wrong with me editing articles relevant to my own country? [[User:Aman.kumar.goel|The accusing user's]] page shows that they too have an interest in their country, so by their logic they too should be banned. Moreover, my account is younger than his, so obviously its edits have not grown to reach as much of Wikipedia, especially considering the fact that there is a Pandemic which makes it difficult to spend more time contributing to Wikipedia. Otherwise, I could just spam useless edits on random page to increase my edit count, editing rights and use other common deceptive if I created this account with malicious intent as [[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman.kumar.goel]] alleges.

TL;DR:
*[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman.kumar.goel]] resorts to [[WP:CHERRYPICKING]]/[[WP:ICANTHEARYOU]], refused to acknowledge facts related to the topic and called another fellow editor a sockpuppeter without providing any evidence, while blaming me for personally attacking others even when I agree with them. Proceeds to accuse me of being a [[WP:SPA]] because I edit articles which I am intrested in and don't take pride in artificially inflating my edit count.

'''If any of my actions are indeed leaning towards the wrong side then I will avoid committing them in the future and change my editing behaviour, if pointed out by an administrator.'''

[[User:SpicyBiryani |SpicyBiryani]] [[User talk:SpicyBiryani|(talk)]] 10:12, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

:[[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]], Kindly avoid resorting to [[WP:MOREX]]. If you'd read what I [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2020_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes#News18_is_an_Indian_source_providing_Indian_claims actually said] and didn't resort to [[WP:CHERRYPICKING]], you'll see that not only is News-18 run in India by Indians and owned by Indian companies (it is affiliated with CNN) but it is also giving the same numbers as the Indian armed forces were. Therefore, this would be labeled as an Indian figure as it's provided by an Indian source. Additionally, if you researched about me properly, you'll see I've had a pleasant experience with some Indian editors and the opposite with some. Moreover, If I had created this account just to crib about Indians, I would be resorting to insults and vandalism a lot more, and would not bother defending myself to this extent if I didn't value this website and account and saw it as an insignificant platform for trolling and vandalism. [[User:SpicyBiryani |SpicyBiryani]] [[User talk:SpicyBiryani|(talk)]] 16:09, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

{{ref talk}}

====Statement by Siddsg====
So SpicyBiryani has only 38 edits and he feels that it is fine for him to misuse Wikipedia as a [[WP:SOAPBOX]] against "Indians" because of his own perceived but very personal prejudice/hatred/bias against Indians. I see this to be a clear example of [[WP:CIR]] and [[WP:BATTLE]]. SpicyBiryani also misrepresented [[CNN]] and [[CNN-News18]] as "Indian source" in order to sabotage the reliability of the source when he edited [[2020 China–India skirmishes]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes&diff=961456580&oldid=961452498] Maybe an indef block (topic ban upon return) would be worth it. [[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]] ([[User talk:Siddsg|talk]]) 10:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning SpicyBiryani===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*A [[WP:TBAN|topic ban]] from the [[WP:ARBIPA|IPA]] topic area is probably in order. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 22:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, I think starting the topic ban with IPA would be fine. I don't think the DS allows us to expand it, regionally, beyond that, in any case. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 13:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, are you getting my pings here? Because this is the third time you've pinged me at AE in the last few days where I didn't get any alert and only caught it in passing. I'm wondering why that is. Anyway, on to your point: following your correction, if you feel IPA overall is not too narrow but rather too broad, I personally have no objection in erring on the IPA "armed conflict"-only side of leniency. Certainly, I don't see the harm of a more focused topic ban in this instance. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, cool thanks. Makes sense — that did not occur to me. Yes, ping successful! [[User:El_C|El_C]] 00:58, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*I think SpicyBiryani is editing in good faith, but their attitude requires a fundamental recalibration; a [[WP:RGW|righting great wrongs]] approach to content isn't acceptable, and a [[WP:BATTLE|battleground approach]] towards other editors isn't acceptable either. The topic ''is'' rife with POV-pushing and tag-teaming, but that's no excuse. I would recommend a topic-ban from armed conflict involving India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan (really it ought to be all of South Asia, but the sanctions regime is not that wide; {{U|El C}}, thoughts on that?) and would be okay with an ARBIPA topic ban also, though it wouldn't be my first choice. I would make the TBAN indefinite, with the expectation that it wouldn't be lifted until the user showed a history of constructive engagement with areas outside their TBAN. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 19:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
*:{{re|El C}} apologies, I didn't make myself clear; I'm not asking to expand the scope of the ban, because as we both said, the DS regime doesn't allow for it; I wanted your opinion on a TBAN from "armed conflict involving India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan", which I think would cover the area of their current disruption while allowing for productive editing elsewhere. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 15:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*::{{ping|El_C}} Did you get this one? If so, that's my bad; I sometimes forget your username includes an underscore; with a space there instead, the ping still renders as normal, so I wouldn't catch it. If you didn't get this one, then I'm still baffled...I'm certainly getting yours. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 00:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*After this user made only 38 edits I don't believe we have enough information to specify a narrowly-tailored topic ban. Would prefer to close with the warning that if they continue to edit conflict-related articles in South Asia and keep making broad-brush assertions about typical behavior of editors of various nationalities, any administrator may issue an indefinite topic ban from all of [[WP:ARBIPA]]. Narrow topic bans can lead to arguments about the boundaries and can risk using up space on noticeboards. If other editors want to issue a topic ban I suggest the full domain of [[WP:ARBIPA]]. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 16:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

==Posp68==
{{hat|{{noping|Posp68}} is topic banned indefinitely from the subjects of Eastern Europe and the Balkans, broadly construed. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC) }}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Posp68===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Ermenrich}} 16:55, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Posp68}}{{ds/log|Posp68}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe#Amendments#Standard discretionary sanctions]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia&type=revision&diff=962338097&oldid=962336388&diffmode=source June 13 2020] Using article talk page as a forum to justify the expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia after WWII despite being told that the talk page is not a forum.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia&type=revision&diff=962340647&oldid=962339159&diffmode=source June 13 2020] Using article talk page as a forum to justify the expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia after WWII despite being told that the talk page is not a forum.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia&type=revision&diff=962341700&oldid=962340831&diffmode=source June 13 2020] Using article talk page as a forum to justify the expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia after WWII despite being told that the talk page is not a forum.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Munich_Agreement&diff=947860302&oldid=947857135&diffmode=source March 28 2020] Racialist attack on Hungarians being "Asiatic" to imply that they have less right to live somewhere than "European" Slovakians.
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Munich_Agreement&diff=948022693&oldid=948003113&diffmode=source March 29 2020] Second of two repeated racialist attacks on Hungarians as "Asiatic".
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Munich_Agreement&diff=956806878&oldid=956803886&diffmode=source May 15 2020] Thinly veiled racialist attack on another editor.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munich_Agreement&type=revision&diff=962204807&oldid=962203884&diffmode=source June 12 2020] Edit warring over the addition of "historical Czech lands" multiple times to the article Munich agreement.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munich_Agreement&type=revision&diff=962206805&oldid=962206402&diffmode=source June 12, 2020] Edit warring over the addition of "historical Czech lands" multiple times to the article Munich agreement.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munich_Agreement&type=revision&diff=962490891&oldid=962464376&diffmode=source June 14 2020] Edit warring while logged out over the addition of "historical Czech lands" multiple times to the article Munich agreement.

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Posp68&type=revision&diff=954509816&oldid=954492737&diffmode=source May 2 2020] Posp68 was blocked for 32 hours for attacking me as {{tq|a German of the right old type}} over a content dispute [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ermenrich&type=revision&diff=954502032&oldid=954495945&diffmode=source]

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):


*Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Posp68&type=revision&diff=954492737&oldid=954467863&diffmode=source May 2 2020] by {{admin|Ymblanter}}.

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :

Posp68's edits appear mostly to be intended to justify the current borders of the Czech Republic and the removal of Germans from it. They have some serious NPOV issues and also competency issues in that their editing is often grammatically incorrect and poorly formatted. In the five years they have been registered here, most of their edits have been to [[Expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia]] and [[Munich Agreement]], always seeking to justify the Czech position. They also had an extended edit war over [[Polish-Czechoslovak War]]. It is my belief that the user is [[WP:NOTHERE]].

This is my first time filing an enforcement request, so I apologize if anything is not quite as it should be.

'''Edit''' I've added three more diffs of edit warring I think should be considered, including some where Posp68 edited while logged out. The issue was discussed here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Munich_Agreement#The_same_sentence_twice], where Posp68 gave one of there usual pronouncements for having essentially the same sentence three times in one paragraph: {{tq|'''The historical Czech lands retained its historical boundaries'''. The history of the Czech lands did not start in 1918.}} This sort of unbending attitude (did anyone deny that Bohemia and Moravia existed before?) used to justify edits with a clear agenda, is precisely the problem here.

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Posp68&type=revision&diff=962368529&oldid=962349826&diffmode=source]



===Discussion concerning Posp68===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Posp68====

====Statement by Ymblanter====
I have blocked the user in May <s>as a conclusion of</s> for a personal attack while having [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ymblanter&diff=prev&oldid=954509566 this nice discussion] at my talk page, and my impression was (and remains) that this is a type of user who knows the TRUTH and would always interpret sources as if they confirm their POV, and would never concede the sources say something else, not aligned with their POV. I do not think the participation of this user in Easter European topics is beneficial for Wikipedia.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 17:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Posp68===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''


*In my opinion, a topic ban of [[User:Posp68]] from the domain of [[WP:ARBEE]] would be justified. I don't see evidence he is capable of neutral editing in this area. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 20:02, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
* I agree with Ed. The user is a net negative in the area. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 21:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
*Pops68 has continued to edit since being notified of this request, so has apparently chosen not to participate in it. Given that, will close with the above remedy, on which I agree entirely with the two above. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Mikola22==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Mikola22===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Sadko}} 19:59, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Mikola22}}{{ds/log|Mikola22}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[WP:TOPICBAN]]

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

A user under 1RR sanctions is going on with the same sort of behaviour which led to his current status and continuing his fringe narrative and disruptive editing/lack of communications, which was just recently observed by another fellow editor - {{ping|Slatersteven}}

#Removal of sourced content in the same manner in the same way before the imposed sanctions [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slavonia&type=revision&diff=954218286&oldid=952272749&diffmode=source] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Statuta_Valachorum&type=revision&diff=954232036&oldid=948041118&diffmode=source]
#
#Identical fringe viewpoints which were reported multiple times in the recent past (notice that there are ~10 RS presented on the article) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Svetozar_Boroević&type=revision&diff=951311307&oldid=951303243&diffmode=source]
#
#Ignoring other user’s concerns [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_Frontier&type=revision&diff=952159744&oldid=952151298&diffmode=source] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eparchy_of_Marča&type=revision&diff=945738116&oldid=945730925&diffmode=source]
#
#Complaints about prior “lost battles” which led to his/her ban in the fist place [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ivan_Gundulić&type=revision&diff=952487328&oldid=952324675&diffmode=source] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Svetozar_Boroević&type=revision&diff=937322363&oldid=937313035&diffmode=source]
#
#Continuing to push questionable notions on the same page where edit-warring was taking place (the other editors involved has been permanently banned, so it seems that the editor think he has carte blanche for his actions) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Statuta_Valachorum&action=history] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slavonia&action=history]

Endless disturbing point-scoring (the intent seemes to be to paint the Serbian role in WW2 as black as possible, using questionable sources and logic):

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stjepan_Filipovi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959556377&oldid=942566161&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belgrade&type=revision&diff=959311317&oldid=959257084&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_Serbia&type=revision&diff=958604551&oldid=957556425&diffmode=source] (which is more often than not just wrong or taken out of full context)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959231623&oldid=959220971&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=958646770&oldid=958554347&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banjica_concentration_camp&type=revision&diff=958926376&oldid=958830509&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Judenfrei&type=revision&diff=958535425&oldid=958529105&diffmode=source] !
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikolaj_Velimirovi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959779223&oldid=957594106&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&type=revision&diff=960051289&oldid=960039598&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kragujevac_massacre&type=revision&diff=961022710&oldid=960871508&diffmode=source]

blunt removal [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Svetozar_Boroevi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959758912&oldid=958711420&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikolaj_Velimirovi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=959936467&oldid=959779223&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960419086&diffmode=source]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romani_genocide&diff=prev&oldid=960537370&diffmode=source]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatian_Orthodox_Church&type=revision&diff=925461297&oldid=925459458&diffmode=source] (on the very same article WW2 fascists were used as "RS" by the same editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatian_Orthodox_Church&type=revision&diff=925368344&oldid=925253077&diffmode=source])
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Marco_Polo&type=revision&diff=959541182&oldid=959539949&diffmode=source] (''Marco Polo was Croatian'')
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chetniks&type=revision&diff=960752109&oldid=960741476&diffmode=source]

It seems to me that nothing has changed and I would suggest a topic ban on the history of the Balkans.

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&diff=962376286&oldid=941790562&diffmode=source] Sitewide block, involved admin was {{ping|El_C}} with whom I had a discussion about this sort of editing on his TP.

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&diff=962376286&oldid=941791355&diffmode=source] Arbitration sanction

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
Constant [[WP:NOTHERE]] and refusal to cooperate with other editors.

::Not at all, diffs speak quite clearly about everything, rather than the pile of interpretations which have been presented above. Constant use of questionable sources, ignoring other users and than leaving comments on the TP which just repeat the previous points. That's the modus operandi, which is not bringing anything good.
::I understand that you want to turn a blind eye. There have been several reports on the same user (not done by me) for promoting fringe theories and views.
::'''I'm not hounding anyone''' (taking a look once in a while in order to see what some editor/s with history of promoting fringe theories are doing can't be called hounding; I should know considering that several editors are doing the same to me). Being vigilant and pointing out to potential canvassing, which was a serious issue from editors from hr.wiki is not a bad thing. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mikola22#Potential_canvassing] '''[[User:Sadko|Sadkσ]]''' [[User talk:Sadko|(talk is cheap)]] 22:48, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&type=revision&diff=962564654&oldid=962564373&diffmode=source]



===Discussion concerning Mikola22===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''

My additional answer and comment is here: [[User talk:Mikola22 #Answer]].

====Statement by Mikola22====
*'''Removal of sourced content in the same manner in the same way before the imposed sanctions [34] [35]''' I have not moved anything here but I have added two information to the article from RS.
*'''Identical fringe viewpoints which were reported multiple times in the recent past (notice that there are ~10 RS presented on the article) [36]''' Yes, it is a talk page and my opinion based on historical facts that I know of. 10 RS presented on the article say that Svetozar Borijević is a Croat, whay would my opinion be fringe viewpoints if I say that he is a Croat? What I supposed to say on talk page if Borojević himself said that he is Croat?
*'''Ignoring other user’s concerns [37] [38]''' [37], Yes, added 9 RS [38] Yes, it is a forgery for which the Serbian academic [[Sima Ćirković]] talks about in his books. He himself says that he does not know when the use of this false information will stop ("200 thousand Serbs who came to Croatia. Slavonia"). This false information ie forgery is still an integral part of many articles.
*'''Complaints about prior “lost battles” which led to his/her ban in the fist place [39] [40]''' [39] Yes, opinion expressed at talk page.[40] Yes, this is from talk page before 1RR restriction, whether I am allowed to talk on the talk page or not?
*'''Continuing to push questionable notions on the same page where edit-warring was taking place (the other editors involved has been permanently banned, so it seems that the editor think he has carte blanche for his actions) [41] [42].''' [41] Yes, added information from various RS.[42] Yes, something I added to the article, something does not belong to the article and that is why we are here, we edit articles.
*'''Endless disturbing point-scoring (the intent semes to be to paint the Serbian role in WW2 as black as possible, using questionable sources and logic):''' [43] Yes, [[Stjepan Filipović]] article, informations from RS [44] Yes, information from RS ''"Belgrade became the first city in Europe to be declared [[Judenfrei]] ("clean of Jews")'' [45]Yes, ''[[Milan Nedić|Nedić's]], [[Dimitrije Ljotić|Ljotić's]] and [[Chetniks]] by Semptember of 1944 capture about 455 remaining Jews in Serbia who were handed over to the [[Banjica concentration camp]] where they were killed immediately.'' information from the RS. [46] I don't know what's bothering you here? [47]Yes, ''"In March 1942 Nedić with suport of [[August Meyszner]] establish Serbian State Guard (Srpska državna straža) who together with the Gestapo participated in guarding of [[Banjica concentration camp]], in which among others were responsible for killings, including children."'' information from RS. [48] Yes, information from RS ''"with thousands killed in [[Jajinci]], Jewish cemetery and Marinkova Bara"'' [49] Yes, ''"but in Germany suspected that this is not true and authority from Berlin sent [[Franz Abromeit]] to check situation. After that Ustashe were under pressure to finish the job. In April 1942 Jews from [[Osijek]] were deported to Jasenovac, two hundred of them while 2,800 were sent to Auschwich.''" information from the RS [50] Statement and responses shortened due to far exceeding word limit. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 21:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC) 

{{reflist-talk}}

====Statement by Tezwoo====
First, it should be pointed out that Sadko was recently the main subject of a large ANI regarding POV pushing in similar topics, in some of which he had disputes with Mikola22 too. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1035#Disruptive_editing_and_POV_pushing%2Fpoint-scoring_in_a_contentious_area] Since the ANI was too large, it was overlooked. Admin Number_57 noted back then that Sadko's edits look "clearly like classic nationalist POV pushing/point-scoring in a contentious area" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ANumber_57&type=revision&diff=954111712&oldid=954111204] Due to a potential [[WP:BOOMERANG]], it should be looked at now. Sadko also seems to have been [[WP:WIKIHOUNDING]] Mikola22, as can be seen at Mikola22's talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMikola22&type=revision&diff=962357398&oldid=962317307]. Here's a closer look at the report:

1st diff ([[Slavonia]]) - the first false claim, as it was not "Removal of sourced content". Mikola22 added new information from a RS.

2nd diff ([[Statuta Valachorum]]) - nothing was removed there as well, he added new content.

3rd diff ([[Svetozar Boroević]]) - those are not "fringe viewpoints", both Mikola22 and other users provided multiple RS on the talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Svetozar_Boroevi%C4%87#Additional_sources] that show how the ethnicity of Svetozar Boroević is differently presented in various sources. A consensus was reached that the article should state both the sources that mention his Serb origin (which was strongly advocated by Sadko), and those that mention a Croat origin.

"Complaints about prior “lost battles”" - that is nonexistent in the diffs provided.

"Ignoring other user’s concerns" - 1st diff ([[Military Frontier]]). Nothing was removed here, he added sources which are in fact modern historiography. He discussed that on the talk page, and another user agreed that those are reliable sources. Regarding the 2nd diff ([[Eparchy of Marča]]), Mikola22 did not add anything to the article following that discussion, so he did not ignore others concerns.

WW2 articles - Again, he added sourced content, mostly about the holocaust. It is interesting that on the 2nd diff provided there, in the previous revert, Sadko reverted an edit that "[[Milan Nedić]] implemented Hitler's anti Semitic policies" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belgrade&diff=prev&oldid=959257084]. That is the only contentious edit I see there.

"blunt removal" - in the 1st diff ([[Svetozar Boroević]]), he was right to revert the edit as it was not in the cited source. 2nd diff ([[Nikolaj Velimirović]]) is obviously a mistake as he thought this was mentioned already. 3rd diff, he started a section on the talk page and several other users also pointed out to the off topic content in that article. 4th diff, nothing removed there, he added cited information.

Diff no.50 (Marco Polo) is very misleading as he did not write that "Marco Polo was Croatian". For the last diff ([[Chetniks]]), the content he added was confirmed with an additional source by Peacemaker67 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chetniks&diff=next&oldid=960839534]

That is mostly it. I'll gladly provide additional sources for any of Mikola22's additions. This just seems as an attempt to get rid of an editor with whom the user(s) had some content disputes with misleading explanations of pilled up diffs. [[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] ([[User talk:Tezwoo|talk]]) 21:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

;Boomerang?
Context is important. Regarding "questionable sources", Sadko defended the use of an internet portal article titled "Croats are hijacking our heritage" for an ethnic identity claim [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrija_Zmajevi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=953764404&oldid=953751018]. The issue (novosti.rs article) had to be brought to RSN, which made it clear that it is not an RS. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAndrija_Zmajevi%C4%87&type=revision&diff=956051596&oldid=954320411]

As for "fringe views", some of the above diffs are related to the [[Chetniks]]. There is an academic consensus that the Chetniks carried out [[Chetnik_war_crimes_in_World_War_II|genocide during WW2]]. Interestingly, both Sadko [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3AGenocide_sidebar&type=revision&diff=944619293&oldid=944618326] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yugoslav_Wars&type=revision&diff=953560907&oldid=953543975] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yugoslav_Wars&type=revision&diff=957685944&oldid=957641059] and Griboski [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatia%E2%80%93Serbia_relations&diff=prev&oldid=962019649] have a very recent history of contesting or removing the mention of genocide as a statement of fact, contrary to the cited source(s). [[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] ([[User talk:Tezwoo|talk]]) 22:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:The actions of the reporter are evaluated too. If the user acted the same, or worse, in the articles in question, that significantly undermines the original report. In this case, that applies to all three users who are attacking Mikola22 (see the ANI of 30 April). And claims of breaking the 1RR for diffs where 1RR was clearly not broken, or claims of removal of content on diffs where nothing was removed, also undermine it. There is a much stronger case for a boomerang. If there are any doubts for WW2-related issues, you can ask Peacemaker67 to weigh in as a neutral observer. [[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] ([[User talk:Tezwoo|talk]]) 17:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Griboski====
I can't speak to most of these article diffs as I was not involved in them. I can only comment on what I've observed. My main issue with Mikola22 is his unwillingness to listen to other editors' concerns and to try to understand what constitutes fringe viewpoints and reliable sources. For instance, in this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chetniks#Ljubica_%C5%A0tefan_allegedly_a_controversial_author] discussion it was explained to him why Ljubica Štefan is a fringe and questionable source to use. Yet he continues to say "but she is a popular Croatian historian" and asserts it is a RS. Here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=960123880] he opened up a discussion contesting the exclusion of two clearly fringe sources which depict death tolls that stray away far from the consensus. Even though he's been blocked before and these types of issues have been explained to him, there's a continued resistance to acknowledging and addressing them. --[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 17:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:Your reply proves my point as you double down and repeat much of the same points while refusing to acknowledge the concerns. If a source is questionable or controversial, statements should be attributed to them at the very least but a better source is preferred. No, you weren't specifically blocked for your use of fringe sources/theories but that has been a long-standing issue with you, related to your block. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikola22&diff=945517367&oldid=945501774] --[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 19:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
@[[User:Tezwoo|Tezwoo]] Please don't misrepresent my edit. There isn't a consensus that the Chetniks carried out genocide but rather that some historians state it happened and that is what is reflected in my edit. @[[User:Mikola22|Mikola22]] "Judenfrei Serbia/Belgrade" is a major talking point used by the Croatian right-wing to try to demonstrate that the Serbian collaborationist government was worse than the Ustasha regime. I'm not accusing you of holding that view but it is concerning then that you've added that bit to several Holocaust-related articles while at the same time adding things like this out of context which minimizes the Holocaust in Croatia [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=959627829&oldid=959119925]. Also your claims that the Milan Nedić and other articles were written "with flowers" (whatever that means) before you came along is not true and a case of self aggrandizement. Much of what you did is repeat a lot of the information already found in the article and re-emphasized it, including using a couple of unreliable sources, with some structural issues which needed cleanup afterwards. You did add some additional useful information that wasn't there before, congrats. I'm all for improving articles. What is troubling is the agenda-driven editing seemingly just to make a [[WP:POINT]]. --[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 16:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by WEBDuB====
I think that one of the biggest problems with the user's work existed in the article [[Denial of genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia]]. He removed most of the article, the sourced content, without prior debate on the talk-page or warning using some of a template [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960414150] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960415470] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960415790] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960415932] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960416041] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960417177] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960418403]. Most importantly, that included the violation of the 1RR rule [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960416120] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960416857] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960417549] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960419086]. To be honest, he later re-reverted one of his changes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=960419255]. In another article, there is another violation of the 1RR restriction [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956219243] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956220620] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956221387] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Destruction_of_books_in_post-independence_Croatia&diff=prev&oldid=956224858]

Furthermore, I've noticed a strange form of [[WP:HOUNDING]], which included some kind of “countermoves”. This was evident during my work on the article [[Genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia]], which was followed by similar changes to the articles that the user seems to have perceived as a kind of parallel events (which usually did not make sense). When I contributed something on April 27 ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=962881076&oldid=953463385] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=962881076&oldid=953489624] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=962881076&oldid=953538908]), he made changes to the article [[Milan Nedić]] for the first time, without previous contributions in this article in his history ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=953404333] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=953406287] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Nedi%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=953407749]) When I contributed something on May 24 and 25 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958577357&oldid=958535591] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958635477&oldid=958583520] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958640386&oldid=958636734] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958644114&oldid=958640505] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia&diff=958747936&oldid=958741853]), he soon made similar changes to the articles [[The Holocaust in German-occupied Serbia]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_German-occupied_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=958604551], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_German-occupied_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=958613377] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust_in_German-occupied_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=958681585]), [[Banjica concentration camp]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banjica_concentration_camp&diff=prev&oldid=958607410]) and [[Chetnik war crimes in World War II]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chetnik_war_crimes_in_World_War_II&diff=prev&oldid=958952514]) for the first time. I really doubt that the articles about the Holocaust in occupied Serbia, Banjica camp and Milan Nedić are on the watchlist of the editor who work mostly with Croats-related pages. Of course, there are many examples of the direct following and making changes in the same article after my contributions.

In addition to a sensitive topic such as one of the deadliest genocides, his [[WP:POVPUSH]] and [[WP:CONTENTFORK]] can also be seen in the obsession with the most important and most famous Serbian personalities such as [[Nikola Tesla]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla&diff=prev&oldid=955915100] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960510075] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960567632] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960590943] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity&diff=prev&oldid=960717159]) and [[Novak Djokovic]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croats_of_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=962524562] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croats_of_Serbia&diff=prev&oldid=962531616]). His focus on removing information about Serbs from Dubrovnik and Ragusa has already been shown in this discussion.--[[User:WEBDuB|WEBDuB]] ([[User talk:WEBDuB|talk]]) 23:12, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Tezwoo}} Honestly, I don't think it's Ok to deviate from the main topic here. You do a great job on Wikipedia, but here we are discussing the violation of rules and about one specific editor. So far, I've not made changes to the articles about the Chetniks, as their crimes have already been described extensively on Wikipedia. Especially, I didn't remove or minimize any crimes. However, I think that the two accused editors didn't advocate fringe views and "deny genocide", but were guided by the main title of the article and discussions on the talk page in which the academic consensus was not confirmed. Personally, I've seen many disputes, when authors compared to the Ustaša genocide, because the Chetniks didn't have a state apparatus and were a heterogeneous group, not unique organization. As I said, that shouldn’t even be a topic here.

:{{ping|Mikola22}} On this page, I didn't dispute your changes (your contributions on the Nedić and Holocaust pages are correct), but the broad context and the time when you entered them. However, the sources you added about Novak Djokovic were Serbian tabloids and Croatian portals that are indisputably not neutral. He is a world-famous star who is in the media almost every day, there would certainly be a huge number of reliable sources in many languages for any important information about him. Again, I didn't wrote anything about specific changes and source, but about your evident intentions and [[WP:POVPUSH]], [[WP:CONTENTFORK]], [[WP:HOUNDING]]. I would understand if you “followed me” on the Croats-related articles because they were on your watchlist. Generally, this is not the first time that I've noticed that someone has taken “countermeoves” and created or expanded a “parallel article” with very similar structure. In addition, the [[WP:3RR]] and [[WP:1RR]] do not always involve just the use of the undo tool, but any type of change that reverts to the previous version. In your case, removing the same content.--[[User:WEBDuB|WEBDuB]] ([[User talk:WEBDuB|talk]]) 14:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|Mikola22}} You should stop with too long explanations, which are not related to the main topic. That can disrupt the review. We are not here to discuss each change and each source individually. I think I clearly explained everything I had.--[[User:WEBDuB|WEBDuB]] ([[User talk:WEBDuB|talk]]) 11:57, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Sadko====
I shall not comment attempts to spin the report on myself as the main drive behind those attempts based on free interpretations of my work is fear of being left without editors and support for certain edits, which have been called POV in the past. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tezwoo&type=revision&diff=960576239&oldid=960486806&diffmode=source]

The same sort of pushy moves, [[Red herring]], [[stonewalling]], lack of willingness to discuss and present [[WP:RS]] and communicate with other editors can be seen on recent edits here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Croats_of_Serbia#Recent_edits] That's just tip of the iceberg, and this sort of editing has been present from the very beginning of this user's activity. '''[[User:Sadko|Sadkσ]]''' [[User talk:Sadko|(talk is cheap)]] 16:46, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Mikola22===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*{{u|Mikola22}}, your responses are nearly 2000 words long. Please condense it to the essentials. Going a little over 500 is not a big deal, but that's much too long. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Mikola22}}, while in exceptional circumstances somewhat longer statements can be allowed, these are not such, and no one wants to read a massive wall of text to get to the important points. If you do not wish to condense your statement, it will be truncated at 500 words for you. The word limit is not a suggestion. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 06:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*{{u|Mikola22}}, if you ping me, you gotta link my username or I won't get an alert for it. I noticed it in passing this time, but next time I may not. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 05:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Mikola22}}, oh, okay. Yes, I knew this request existed, but have not reviewed it, mostly because of your statement's excessive length. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*I have substantial concerns with Mikola22's editing, especially in terms of bludgeoning, several edit summaries which could most charitably be described as "misleading", and aggressive interactions with other editors. However, on a review of some of the diffs presented here, Mikola22 is not the ''only'' editor who has these issues, either. (Not to mention that Mikola22 was [[WP:BLUDGEON|bludgeoning]] even ''this'' discussion; see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=963623158#Mikola22] prior to when I truncated the statement and responses since it was up to over 2300 words.) I would, based upon what is presented, be in favor of topic banning Mikola22 from the topic area, but I am not convinced that this alone will solve the issues present. I'll have to give that some more thought, or would be glad for any suggestions. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

==Edithgoche==
{{hat|{{u|Edithgoche}} is cautioned to take more care in interactions, especially in sensitive areas covered by discretionary sanctions, and to refrain from [[WP:ASPERSION|casting aspersions]] against other editors. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC) }}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Edithgoche===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Aman.kumar.goel}} 06:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Edithgoche}}{{ds/log|Edithgoche}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:ARBIP]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tipu_Sultan&diff=prev&oldid=962304110 13 June]: Re-inserts his completely rejected edit even after gaining no consensus for his version per [[Talk:Tipu_Sultan#Tipu's_religious_policies_in_the_intro_vs_contents:_WP:CENSORED and WP:DUE violated]].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tipu_Sultan&diff=962262687&oldid=959189314 13 June]: Falsely accusing of censorship; "{{tq|RegentsPark don't censor this again citing}}"
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tipu_Sultan&diff=962330912&oldid=962327611 13 June]: Again, falsely accusing editors of [[WP:CENSOR]].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RegentsPark&diff=next&oldid=962335093 13 June]: Accuses RegentsPark of "{{tq|[[WP:ADMINABUSE]]}}" and provides zero evidence involving abuse of admin tools.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=962354804 13 June]: Starts a DRN, and notifies only one editor when there were more editors who have reverted and disputed his edits on this dispute. Here too, he alleges editors are making "{{tq|attempts to censor this [[WP:CENSORED]]}}"
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=962381600 13 June]: Assumes bad faith contrary to [[WP:AGF]] against established editors by claiming that "{{tq|the editors seem to be uncooperative for a discussion or purposely stalling}}".

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AEdithgoche One block for edit warring] involving the same article.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edithgoche&oldid=865378010#October_2018]


;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edithgoche&diff=955039269&oldid=885400839]

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :


Text-book example of [[WP:1AM]] and [[WP:SPA]] dedicated to [[Tipu Sultan]] for nearly 2 years. The above diffs provide clear examples of [[WP:EW]], [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:BATTLE]]. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 06:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

*'''Note''': I have decided to '''withdraw''' this report since Edithgoche has acknowledged some of the concerns I raised above about his editing and I would look forward to the improvements now. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 05:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEdithgoche&type=revision&diff=962643333&oldid=955039269]




===Discussion concerning Edithgoche===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Edithgoche====
*1) I was blocked for edit-warring in 2018, it was when I created the account new and had no idea of how wiki works. Since then I never did it again. We all make mistakes and learn from them, don't we?
:2) It is not accusing them of censor and adminabuse. It is failure on my part to apply the policies properly. Once I understood it I no longer do that. Apologies again, if any inconvenience caused.
:3)Before calling this a [[SPA]] please go through my edit history. I also made contributions to another area.
:4) [[Wikipedia:DRN_Rule_A]] says "Do not report any issues about the article or the editing of the article at any other noticeboards". Is it not a violation of the rule that I am being reported here?
[[User:Edithgoche|Edithgoche]] ([[User talk:Edithgoche|talk]]) 08:15, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by RegentsPark====
While I share Aman Kumar Goel's frustrations with Edithgoche, I think it may be premature to sanction them. Sure, they were throwing about dubious claims of adminabuse (which they did retract), censorship (also retracted) and due, but they have since engaged on DRN and, hopefully, will move forward constructively.--[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]]) 13:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Edithgoche===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*Per [[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]], recommend against sanctions at this time. But I do believe a warning is due. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*As there seems to be no substantial interest in sanctioning this editor even by others involved, will close with a warning as above. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Hölderlin2019==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Hölderlin2019===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Siddsg}} 13:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Hölderlin2019}}{{ds/log|Hölderlin2019}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan]] :


#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962527235 14 June] Removed reliably sourced content in violation of [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] even after being [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=962459857&oldid=959894686 warned against it].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962527379 14 June] Same as above diff.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962528083 14 June] Same as above diff.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962661944 15 June] Same as above diff.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962662124 15 June] Same as above diff.
#15 June: Violating [[WP:CANVASSING]] by canvassing editors he never interacted before.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sitush&diff=prev&oldid=962669816][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Joshua_Jonathan&diff=prev&oldid=962669877][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:I%E1%B9%A3%E1%B9%ADa_Devat%C4%81&diff=prev&oldid=962670936]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962674771 15 June] Doubles down with his blatant [[WP:OR]], [[WP:EDITWAR]] and misrepresentation of sources and using sources that don't even talk about any "homosexuality" even after warnings and discussion.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962674965 15 June] Same as above.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=962686419 15 June] Again, doubles down with his blatant [[WP:OR]], [[WP:EDITWAR]] and blatant misrepresentation of sources.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962686486 15 June] Same as above.

He has already reverted more than 3 times on both articles in less than 24 hours even after warning.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=prev&oldid=962666521]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AH%C3%B6lderlin2019&type=revision&diff=962681255&oldid=962677556 This reply by him] even after hours of attempts to guide him to understand basic policies shows he is more willing to exhibit [[WP:CIR]] and [[WP:BATTLE]] than understand what [[WP:OR]], [[WP:CON]], [[WP:CANVASSING]] means. Instead it shows that he is more adamant to continue misrepresenting sources. [[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]] ([[User talk:Siddsg|talk]]) 13:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|RexxS}} It is not hard to find reliable sources for this subject which has been covered extensively by the academic sources. While WP:OR is allowed on talk page but not the main page, the argument on talk page also needs to be substianted with reliable sources than personal research if an editor wishes others to take their argument seriously. You should check the diffs from #7 - #10 where I have provided examples that how Holderlin2019 is double downing with his [[WP:OR]] and blatant misrepresentation of sources by adding his peprsonal research to the main article which are completely unrelated to homosexuality.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_and_LGBT_topics&diff=prev&oldid=962686486] Now since "[[WP:OR|Wikipedia does not publish original thought]]", the only thing Hölderlin2019 could do was find the reliable sources throughouly supporting his argument but so far he has only demonstrated clear inability to understand what is OR. He is also engaging in [[WP:RGW]] since he is only finding problems with highly reliable sources without providing any rebuttal backed by other reliable sources as his own recent messages indicate.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=962970488&oldid=962969732][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&type=revision&diff=962980490&oldid=962979539] [[User:Siddsg|Siddsg]] ([[User talk:Siddsg|talk]]) 03:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :


;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=962459857&oldid=959894686]



; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :


; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019&diff=prev&oldid=962688320]




===Discussion concerning Hölderlin2019===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Hölderlin2019====

Here’s a simple summary of this situation: a claim is being made, on multiple pages, that the Rigveda — an ancient Sanskrit volume of religious poetry — contains a particular phrase, “vikruti evam prakriti”, which allegedly means “what seems unnatural is also natural”, which is allegedly a statement about homosexuality.

The issue with this is that the phrase literally does not occur in the actual text of the Rig Veda, which renders irrelevant questions about what it might mean, or what the significance of that meaning may be. There is no controversy about this among Sanskritists: authoritative sources such as Monier-Williams and VB’s revised edition of Bloomfield’s concordance do not accept that this text occurs in the Rigveda. Neither does Jamison & Brereton’s recent authoritative translation and commentary. In fact, *no* academic source by a Sanskritist accepts that even two of the three constituent *words* of the phrase occur anywhere in the Rig Veda.

This fact, which anyone can verify for themselves by searching the publicly available text of the Rig Veda, is not OR. It reflects the universal understanding of Sanskrit and Vedic scholars, and is entirely consonant with their research output. I freely concede that none of my sources deal with homosexuality; there’s no reason that they should, since the question is whether or not a given phrase actually exists in a given text in the first place, and on that matter, the only authoritative sources are those which specialize in the translation and exegesis of that text, and in the language and culture in question. I have also not misrepresented any of my sources, and can only conclude from the claim that I have that the claimant is unfamiliar with the academic literature, and lacking in the competence necessary to understand what the literature establishes.

I have not breached 3RR on any of the articles in question, though this may not be clear from the diffs provided, since the same text occurs multiple times in multiple articles, and has been deleted and reinserted twice in each, though in separate, though sequential edits for each section in which it occurs. I have subsequently added text establishing that there is no support for the existence of this text among academic Sanskritists, while preserving the original language to which I object, and defended that language once. I will not edit further pending the establishment of consensus, but will note that there is no consensus for the inclusion of the challenged material in the first place.

The user who has filed this case misunderstands what OR is, and also CIR and generally the basic policies he presumes to “guide” me in. As regards canvassing, I have notified a handful of editors who routinely edit on India and Sanskrit - related topics; none of them, to my knowledge, have expressed a stance on this matter. I would like their thoughts, but have no prior knowledge of which side they are likely to take. I stand by the context I provided on the situation, but have preemptively removed it to ensure the pings are ‘neutral’. [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 14:00, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

::{{re|Vanamonde93}} I am nowhere interpreting the text of the Rig Veda, and I’m puzzled as to why you would think that I am. I am commenting that the string ’vikruti evam prakriti’, however it might be interpreted, does not occur in the Rig Veda. In fact, neither of the ''words'' ‘vikruti’ or ‘prakriti’ occur in the Rig Veda. This isn’t some original insight of my own. No Sanskritist would suggest otherwise. None of the sources in the articles provide the information necessary to locate it (academic sources on the Rig Veda index lines by book and hymn).

::Both Monier-Williams and VB’s revised edition of Bloomfield’s Vedic concordance — which are both foundational academic sources in academic Vedic and Sanskrit studies — attest that this language does not occur in the Rig Veda. They respectively catalogue the works in which each Sanskrit lemma is found, and both establish that ‘vikruti evam prakriti’ does not occur in the Rig Veda. These sources are being excluded from the articles in question on the grounds that they do not deal with homosexuality and are therefore irrelevant, which seems entirely bizarre — the question is not whether the verse refers to homosexuality; the question is whether or not the verse exists in the Rig Veda in the first place. It’s also unclear to me why sources that are not specialist academic works on either Sanskrit or the Rig Veda, and that do not themselves cite their claim that the Rig Veda contains this verse, are considered reliable ''to support this specific claim'', let alone more reliable than actual academic works on Sanskrit.

::Incidentally, which website have I linked whose reliability is questionable? [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 00:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:::{{re|Vanamonde93}}, {{re|RexxS}} My statements are not the result of ''my own'' search of the Rig Vedic corpus, although searching the Rig Vedic corpus oneself does establish it to be true. If that was a citation I had attempted to make in the article, I freely grant that it would be OR. Monier-Williams is considered reliable (it's one of the default sources) among Sanskritists for documenting attestation in a given Sanskrit work or body of works. Here is its entry for [https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php ''vikruti''], hosted at the Cologne Sanskrit Lexicon, which collates such resources and makes them available for research purposes. MW lists the texts or bodies of literature in which words are attested - if you hover your cursor over 'MBh.', you'll see 'Mahābhārata' pop up, establishing that the word 'vikruti' is attested in the [[Mahabharata]]. There is no such attestation for the Rig Veda; the same holds for [https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php prakriti]. Contrast, say, the word [https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php 'rājan'], archaic form of the word [[Raja]]. The 'RV' listed there indicates that ''this'' word is attested in the Rig Veda.

:::MW, of course, isn't a definitive concordance of the Vedas. ''That'' would be either VB Sastri's [[A Vedic Word Concordance|A Vedic Word Concordance]], or HUP's [https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674030800 Franceschini's revised version of Bloomfield's Vedic concordance], the searchable text of which is available [http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/VedicConcordance/ReadmeEng.html here], courtesy of [[Michael Witzel]] at Harvard. Neither of these works attest the phrase, or, for that matter, its constituent parts, in the Rig Veda. This same state of affairs prevails throughout the secondary literature, including all sources which seek to exhaustively catalogue the attestation of words and phrases in the Rig Veda. There are several, and none of them attest the existence the disputed text in the RV. The only sources which ''do'' claim that this text exists in the Rig Veda are either newspaper articles authored by journalists or others who are not scholars of the Rig Veda, or one or two academic sources which are on LGBT studies, which do not source the claims they make, and which I contend are not reliable sources ''in the context of making claims about'' the content of the Rig Veda or Sanskrit, ''especially'' if they contradict the actual scholarly work that exists on those matters. [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 02:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

::: {{re|Vanamonde93}} My preferred (and original) solution is not to gainsay sources in Wikipedia’s voice; it’s to exclude them (mitigating the need for gainsaying text) on the grounds that they are not RS ''for the specific claims being made'', given that they are not specialist works on the topic in question and are incompatible with the specialist works that do exist. [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 03:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:::: {{re|Vanamonde93}} I ''have'' thus far provided sources (although I'm happy to continue providing even more) - on the talk page, inline in the articles, and on my own talk page; the response has been that these sources are "irrelevant" because they do not specifically deal with homosexuality, despite the claim in question being a straightforward one about whether or not specific Sanskrit text is contained in the Rig Veda. See Siddsg's #7 in the original complaint and his comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=962983624&oldid=962982908&title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement here], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=962670336&oldid=962669355&title=User_talk:H%C3%B6lderlin2019 here] - he's perfectly aware of what my sources are, but is unwilling to verify the claims I'm making in them because he, incredibly, refuses to accept that academic sources on the Rig Veda ''which are dedicated to documenting the attestation of words and phrases in the Rig Veda'' are relevant to determining whether or not specific text is actually in the Rig Veda because they do not discuss homosexuality (!) How am I supposed to have an editor verify the claims I'm making if their reaction is essentially IDONTLIKEIT? [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019|talk]]) 04:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Vanamonde====
{{re|Hölderlin2019}} Regardless of the truth of your assertions, your justification for your edits leaves a lot to be desired. Interpreting the text of the Rig Veda is in fact original research, and not something editors should be doing. If you have reliable sources from reliable publishers supporting your assertion, then you need to demonstrate that; so far I've seen you provide links to a website whose reliability is questionable, and to an entire book. That isn't good enough. If the claim you're challenging hasn't actually been directly contradicted by the sources, then that's something you have to live with. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 20:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Hölderlin2019}} you're missing my point a little. We have some sources saying that a specific line appears in the Rig Veda, and interpreting that line in a certain way. Relative to this, your own search through the text of the Rig Veda carries little weight. If scholars of the Vedas have explicitly stated that the text in question is not in the Rig Veda, then you need to provide explicit evidence of that; I don't mean links to where they discuss the Rig Veda and fail to mention this line, or where they provide translations of the Rig Veda; I mean sources where they say "The Rig Veda does not contain this line". Short of that, everything you are doing is original research, even if (and this is critical) you are correct. The website I was referring to was [https://sanskrit.inria.fr/MW/163.html#prak.rti this one]; it may be reliable for specific translations to and from Sanskrit; but it's not reliable for the assertions you are making. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 01:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|RexxS}} That's a fair point, and one I'm aware of, so perhaps I ought to have said at the outset that I don't think sanctions are warranted here at the moment. My discomfort is with the approach Holderlin2019 has taken. Ordinarily, no one would need to prove a negative; but the trouble is there ''are'' sources making an assertion contrary to the one Holderlin2019 is making. As such, if we are to gainsay those sources in Wikipedia's voice, it needs circumspect discussion and careful perusal of the sources. Holderlin2019 has instead made sweeping assertions, without pointing to very many specifics. To be clear, I am not making any excuses for the other editors here; several of their behavior has been cause for concern on this noticeboard before; some more scrutiny of their editing pattern wouldn't go amiss. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 03:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Hölderlin2019}} Then that's something you need to establish consensus on the talk page for first, and that's something you can do by providing all your sources in a manner that other editors can check up on. Initially, you said a lot of things along the lines of "experts think differently", but other editors looking to verify that would have struggled. The details you provided above were a step in the right direction. I would suggest raising concerns at RSN as well, which you have now done. Just please don't edit-war over it before you've reached a consensus, and don't add sources to the article that don't support exactly what you're using them for (as in, don't just cite things because they don't have certain information). [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 04:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Hölderlin2019===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* {{re|Vanamonde93}} I think that you're expecting too much by asking Hölderlin2019 to prove a negative. It doesn't seem likely that scholars will compile a list of phrases that ''don't'' appear in the Rig Veda, so the sort of sources required to prove the negative won't exist. On the other hand, some works have [[variorum]]s and [[Concordance (publishing)|concordance]]s. Surely the absence of a particular phrase in one of those scholarly studies is sufficient proof that it does not appear in the original work? I'm not sure exactly what the sources Hölderlin2019 refers to (and a link or cite to a book would help), but if they are sufficiently comprehensive studies of the Rig Veda, then surely we can't fault Hölderlin2019 if he concludes that a particular phrase is absent from the work. We must remember that [[WP:No original research]] applies to article content, not talk page debate, and I don't feel it should be sanctionable to report on a talk page that a source makes a claim that is demonstrably untrue (even if the demonstration requires a full text search of the Rig Veda). That of course does not excuse the behaviour in the article, and the argument should have been confined to the talk page. Of course {{u|D4iNa4}} and {{u|Siddsg}} both reverted more than once on the other side of the edit war, so are equally culpable. I actually think this is fundamentally a content dispute which rests on whether Hölderlin2019's sources are reliable to support the contention that the phrase does not appear in the Rig Veda. I recommend [[WP:RSN]] to decide the underlying dispute. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 01:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*I am very hesitant to say that this falls within the scope of [[WP:ARBIPA]] to begin with. While certainly Hinduism is the majority religion in India, I think that stretches "broadly construed" farther than it goes, to say everything popular in India would be covered by it. On the flip side, Islam is heavily the majority religion in Pakistan, but I would not consider edits in regards to the Quran to be covered under ARBIPA DS because of that. So, I believe that Hindu religious texts are similarly outside the scope of what we can issue discretionary sanctions for in the ARBIPA area. If evaluated on the merits, this is a content matter, which should be resolved by evaluating the consensus of ''secondary'' reliable sources, not an asserted count of a word's occurrence within the original text itself. I also agree that [[WP:RSN]] would be a good resource for evaluating the reliability of the various sources available on the matter. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:27, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

==Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Mar4d==
{{hat|There exists substantial consensus amongst uninvolved administrators to lift the topic ban. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 21:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)}}
''Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Enforcement|here]]. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.''

''To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see [[WP:UNINVOLVED]]).''

; Appealing user : {{userlinks|Mar4d}} – '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 18:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

; Sanction being appealed : Topic ban from all edits and pages related to conflict between India and Pakistan, imposed at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive232#Capitals00]], logged at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2018]].

; Administrator imposing the sanction : {{admin|GoldenRing}}

; Notification of that administrator : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GoldenRing&diff=962910166&oldid=958427274]

===Statement by Mar4d===

I would like to humbly appeal for lifting a topic ban restriction which dates back to May 2018. The restriction in question was applied collectively amongst at least nine other editors at the time, with the option to appeal in 6 months' time, which I did not choose to exercise until now. More than the unfortunate circumstances which fostered the atmosphere for sanctions, I would like to focus here on ''why'' the sanctions had to be resorted to and ''what'' I personally take out of it.

I am cognisant of the fact that the sanctions were a result of several issues pertaining to [[WP:NOTBATTLE]]; and that individually, my conduct had been deemed sanctionable precisely because it fell under the ambit of this problem. If I were to reflect on how I've been able to respond and what I've learnt from this experience, my answer will be twofold:
* 1) Since the enforcement, I've made an effort to correct this by working actively, constructively and diligently on many other subjects, and have made thousands of edits in this respect. This includes writing, expanding or creating many articles within the Pakistan-India topic area objectively over the last several months without complaints. I have largely enjoyed doing this; and
* 2) I have strived to demonstrate and follow a conflict and confrontation-free path in the course of this editing, as a result of which I've been able to avoid any further sanctions or issues. I can confidently say this has affected me in a good way and has been a net positive personally.

As for the reason of why I'm making the request at this time, the most correct answer will be that the topic ban has been an impediment in being able to edit some existing articles of late, especially in cases where the subject may not even have the strongest of connections to the India-Pakistan conflict. I realised this most recently when I was writing an article on an ethnicity, and understood I could not expand it meaningfully as much of it involved writing about their migration during the [[partition of India]]. This is one instance among many other similar and broader examples.

25 months and a wiser yet [[Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot|cooler head later]], I am optimistic regarding where I stand {{smiley}}. Therefore, I am submitting this appeal and look forward to engaging in this arbitration request. Kind regards, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 18:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
: {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}}: With all due respect and without causing offence, this topic ban came into effect on 15 May 2018. Your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=866429548 first edit] to Wikipedia was not until [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Aman.kumar.goel 30 October 2018]. It would be disingenuous to say, therefore, what you know about these editing restrictions that I already do not know (!). While I'm personally glad that these diffs, some going back as early as August 2018, were only what you could find and dig in the many thousand edits that I have made since, I am lesser happy with the way you have selectively quoted and misrepresented them. In my defence, I'd like to discuss why your points, IMO, appear untenable and [[WP:AGF|not made in good faith]].

: You have mentioned indeed [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive999#User:Mar4d_reported_by_User:Mountain157|this ANI thread]] by {{u|Mountain157}}. You should also refer to the comments there by uninvolved editors. First, I'd like to correct that this thread was filed in December 2018, not "as recently as 2019." The filer, a two week old account, was seeking to restore contentious edits they had made across 3 separate articles ''not'' related to the India-Pakistan conflict or this TBAN. These edits were challenged by others. Mountain157 was [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive249#Mountain157|blocked indef in March 2019]] for, unfortunately, the very same articles alluded to in the ANI above. I don't know where you reached this conclusion that "most" editors (quote) were {{tq|"concerned enough about expanding the scope of the topic ban or block Mar4d indefinitely"}}. It would only seem that way when a few editors, who had not interacted with the filer nor edited the pages concerned, but were from the [[WP:ARBIPA|sanctioned topic area]] that you also edit in, chose to get involved. Two admins, {{u|Vanamonde93}} and {{u|Ivanvector}}, separately said a topic ban violation had not occurred and neither did the mudslinging go unnoticed ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=876184737 diff 1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=876021963 diff 2]). Nevertheless, I was advised to proceed cautiously which was duly noted. Ivanvector even [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=876313033 proposed sanctions] on the editors concerned, but both the proposal and the thread went inconclusive as you know. Yet, you have claimed below {{tq|"there was a clear agreement that Mar4d was violating the topic ban"}}.

:You have also linked to this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mar4d&diff=854922550&oldid=854552454 block] from August 2018, which TBH was the result of a misunderstanding, but strangely enough did not find it worth mentioning that the block was lifted by the enforcing admin {{u|BU Rob13}}. I was [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive301#Site ban proposal for User:NadirAli|not the only one]] affected by this. Please refer to my [[User_talk:Mar4d/Archive_18#August_2018|talk page here]] for details. '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 10:35, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:: In the second part of my response, I'd like to thank you for noting my contributions to [[Pathans in India]]. I have indeed written this article from scratch, and was in fact [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mar4d&diff=959825559&oldid=959825179 given a barnstar] by a WikiProject India editor who was appreciative of my efforts. I'm afraid to say you have a severe misunderstanding of the TBAN, which is for {{tq|"conflict between India and Pakistan."}} Please focus on this particular text. I have not edited, written or created any conflict-related items pertaining to Pakistan and India, or gone into its details. Merely mentioning the word "India" is not a TBAN violation; if you are under this impression, then you are mistaken and I would suggest seeking clarification from the admins above or {{u|RegentsPark}}, all of whom have clarified this on multiple occasions. I have no idea why you even mentioned [[Kashmir conflict]], given I never edited this subject. You've mentioned reverting a non-procedural and undiscussed page move where, again, neither the current content nor the edit is connected with the very specific topic of India's conflict with Pakistan. Please provide diffs to substantiate such accusations. I'd like to thank you at the same time for explaining my self-revert on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=next&oldid=951677985 this article] however, which was very much self-explanatory. Kindest regards, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 11:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::: {{u|El C}} Thanks. I'm happy to be corrected, but this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=956259277&oldid=954764015 page move] on 12 May relates to a human rights article concerning an ethnic minority in Bangladesh. {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}} has extrapolated this into the TBAN, but the article in question is not focused on the India-Pakistan conflict, or where, if at all, the former is exactly involved. The most peripheral connection perhaps could be that the current persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh is a reaction to the [[Bangladesh Liberation War]], which by ''extension'' links to the [[1971 Indo-Pakistani War|1971 Indo-Pakistan conflict]], but even that is a far stretch both semantically and content-wise, and not backed by Aman.kumar.goel's diffs. This was not my first edit to the article, as the edit history should show post-2013, and I had no intention in my mind whatsoever to change or affect remotely anything covering the India-Pakistan conflict when I performed this move.
::: A new user, YaRaabAlHind, stated the following to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=953946599&oldid=948453766 move] the name "Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh" to "Persecution of Stranded Pakistanis": {{tq|Bihari is just a general name for Urdu speakers in bangladesh}}. Apart from not providing a source, they did not follow the correct procedure obviously or leave a talk page note, hence the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=956259277&oldid=954764015 restoration] of the longstanding title. In the [[Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh|destination page]] of the Bihari article, the text or sources have not used this terminology. Should you happen to determine that my move there is incorrect, I'm more than happy to self-revert, although my opinion on it would still remain the same. I hope this explains my position. Cheers, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 19:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:::: {{u|El C}}: No problem; thank you. '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 20:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

* Hello again {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}}. You've said a few times now I'm misrepresenting sources, by virtue of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=960355264&oldid=960352848 this] edit which is sourced to [https://www.gatewayhouse.in/khans-hindi-film-industry/ this] column. While you haven't explained what this has to do with the TBAN, here's a passage from the same source: {{tq|The late progenitor, Prithviraj Kapoor, whose illustrious family is still in the movie business, is regarded a ‘Hindu Pathan’ by the film fraternity, but a family member clarifies that they are, in fact, Punjabi Khatris. This overlap in identity is probably due to his origins in undivided India’s Northwest Frontier Province, in the capital city of Peshawar, like his contemporary...}}
: If only you dedicated as much time to reading the text following it, you would've known I have provided not one but an ''umpteen'' amount of sources on the many [[Punjabis|Punjabi]]-origin celebrities from Peshawar identifying as "Hindu Pathans", with full in-text quotations. This is yet another misleading comment from your side. '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 20:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:: Folks, I guess I have said what I was going to say at this point. I don't think I have anything useful to add to the mostly off-topic insinuations or assumptions being made. [[:wikiquote:Distraction|'Tis all a distraction]]. If any admins ({{u|El C}} et. al) have further queries about my appeal or statement/s, please feel free to ping me. Thanks all, '''[[User:Mar4d|Mar4d]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|talk]]) 06:46, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by GoldenRing===

===Statement by Aman.kumar.goel===
As recently as 2019, there was an extended [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive999#User:Mar4d_reported_by_User:Mountain157|ANI thread]] where most participants were concerned enough about expanding the scope of the topic ban or block Mar4d indefinitely, and some were opposed to any action. But overall, there was a clear agreement that Mar4d was violating the topic ban, even after 1 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mar4d&diff=854922550&oldid=854552454 block for topic ban violation] in 2018.

His first edit to the article on [[Pathans in India]][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&oldid=959431357] which he himself created on 28 May 2020, is a violation of topic ban from "conflicts between India and Pakistan" given the edit mentions "partition" [[partition of India|of India]] two times on the first edit alone. The second sentence of [[Kashmir conflict]] article notes that "The conflict started after the [[partition of India]] in 1947". This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=959802676&oldid=959800864 30 May edit] is just more of the same violation.

This comes when Mar4d notes in his appeal that he is not able to write about a subject "{{tq|as much of it involved writing about their migration during the [[partition of India]]}}"; agreeing about the topic's close relationship with the existing topic ban, but nonetheless he continues to write about the partition.

This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 page move from 12 May] is a gross violation of the topic ban since the article greatly includes the details about [[Bangladesh Liberation War|a war]] in which India and Pakistan warred each other.

These edits are obviously not the only example where Mar4d has failed to stay away from his topic ban from India-Pakistan conflicts. This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=951677985&oldid=951053080 18 April] which removed a whole section about India-Pakistan conflict involved Kashmir was a topic ban violation, and even after Mar4d appeared to have self-reverted,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=next&oldid=951677985] I would still like to know how [http://www.asiantribune.com/node/93771 this source] supports the information which Mar4d added on his [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=prev&oldid=951683058 next edit] to the article.

I would recommend declining the appeal based on these facts because Mar4d has failed to stay away from the topic he is banned from. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 02:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

{{ping|El C|Black Kite}} The topic ban violations are all recent and fly in the face of the standard requiring at least 6 months of problem-free editing before appealing a topic ban. Aside from topic ban violations, I am seeing misrepresentation of sources in the recent edits of Mar4d to [[Pathans in India]]. A very simple example to demonstrate the misrepresentation of sources can be seen in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=960355264&oldid=960352848 this edit alone] since [https://www.gatewayhouse.in/khans-hindi-film-industry/ the source] used by Mar4d does not support the information he added in any way and in fact there is no mention of "ethnic" and "cultural" in the source. How would it be then wise to repeal the topic ban of this editor from a more contentious subject given his glaring inability to edit while adhering to the general wikipedia policies in a less contentious subject? '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 17:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|El C}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 This edit] falls under the scope of "conflict between India and Pakistan" since the article and the subject greatly deals with [[1971 Bangladesh genocide]], [[Bangladesh Liberation war]]. Similarly, these [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&diff=959802676&oldid=959800864][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathans_in_India&oldid=959431357] edits about partition of India also fall under the same scope since [[Partition of India]] is the direct origin of conflict between India and Pakistan. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 17:54, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::Mar4d: That paragraph in [https://www.gatewayhouse.in/khans-hindi-film-industry the source] doesn't explicitly say that they do not identify as ethnic Pathans. It is only something that you have inferred in violation of [[WP:OR]]. It is related with the topic ban in the sense that it shows problems with your editing in the lesser contentious area than the one you are aiming to edit (India-Pakistan conflict).
::Per [[WP:BMB]], regardless of how Mar4d spins it, the page move of [[persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh]] is a violation of this topic ban. The reliable sources also describe the subject to be directly related with the India-Pakistan conflict and the persecution resulted in [[Bangladesh Liberation War]].[https://books.google.com/books?id=nC9-CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA404&dq=Persecution+of+Biharis+Bangladesh+liberation+war+1971][https://www.google.com/books/edition/Minority_Rights_in_South_Asia/yKCKe7J9Uq4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Persecution+of+Biharis+bangladesh+liberation+war&pg=PA101&printsec=frontcover] The partition of India into the secular but majority Hindu country of India and Islamic Republic of Pakistan "planted the seeds of hostility between the two nations" and this hostility instigated three wars.[https://books.google.com/books?id=tsU7UWGnXawC&pg=PA27&dq=partition+of+india][https://books.google.com/books?id=WuiimV6BiwMC&pg=PA37&dq=acrimonious+relationship+dating+back+to+the+partition+of+India+and+the+creation+of+Pakistan+in+1947] I find the edits about the partition to be an obvious violation of the topic ban. I don't see what can be a clearer definition of the topic ban violation than this. Now if there is still any doubt about the scope of the topic ban, then it would be much better to discuss the scope at [[WP:ARCA]] while keeping the appeal on hold. {{U|El C}}, what do you say? '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' (''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'') 05:17, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by Shashank5988===

Mar4d appears to be displaying the same [[WP:BATTLEGROUND|battleground]] mentality in his responses which got him topic banned in the first place. The topic ban violations have occurred fairly recently. The claim that Vanamonde93 agreed that "a topic ban violation had not occurred" is a misleading claim since he was supportive of expanding the topic ban.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=876434536]

It is clear that Mar4d is still not understanding the scope of the topic. I also note that he has not addressed that how [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=951683058&oldid=951682285 this edit] is supported by 2 of the sources he added because it seems clear that Mar4d has misrepresented the sources in that edit.

{{ping|RegentsPark}} You should move your comment to involved editors section since you are deeply [[WP:INVOLVED]] as you have frequently participated in same content disputes as Mar4d.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=814725083][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=663297331][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=754595900] The topic ban violations are not ambiguous [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 in this edit] because [[Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh]] is much about [[1971 Bangladesh genocide]] and [[Bangladesh Liberation War]], both are among one of the most important subjects falling under India-Pakistan conflicts. Editing about the partition of India is also violation of the topic ban, especially when the topic ban notes that "''further disruption or testing of the edges of the topic ban are likely to be met with either an indefinite IPA topic ban or an indefinite block''".[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=next&oldid=841350919] The topic ban wasn't supposed to be ignored but enforce the way it was imposed. Mar4d clearly does not understand the scope of his topic ban and is clearly not adhering to [[WP:NOTTHEM]] in his appeal but instead blaming others for any of the recurring problems with his editing. [[User:Shashank5988|Shashank5988]] ([[User talk:Shashank5988|talk]]) 13:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Vanamonde93====
The only one of the diffs that's seriously concerning is the page move, but even there, I see a violation made in good faith, rather than an attempt to skirt the ban or to further previous disputes. Color me unsurprised that Shashank5988 is thoroughly misrepresenting my comment at ANI, or that both he and Aman.kumar.goel are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find incriminating diffs. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 16:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Ivanvector====
I support lifting the ban, maybe you would say per [[WP:ROPE]] but I don't want this to come across as a discouraging comment. My usual metric for appeals of enforcement actions in this topic area is whether or not I keep seeing the sanctioned editor's name come up in disputes tangential to the topic, or in behavioural disputes in general; in Mar4d's case I absolutely have not, despite their continuing to be a prolific editor while sanctioned. I remain entirely unconvinced by the ideological enemies who have barely escaped sanctions themselves showing up to argue against their old foe, all the while whining about battleground mentality without a shred of irony.

I also don't know if we're supposed to use lv3 or lv4 headers for these statements. Someone feel free to correct me if I've done it wrong. [[User:PEIsquirrel|Ivanvector's squirrel]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|trees]]/[[Special:Contributions/PEIsquirrel|nuts]]) 19:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

:I'm also not particularly impressed that the two editors opposing the appeal seem to be out to collect their [[The Merchant of Venice|pound of flesh]] for entirely inconsequential violations which have already been corrected. We're [[WP:HERE|here to build an encyclopedia]], not to bear grudges and punish for the sake of punishment. [[User:PEIsquirrel|Ivanvector's squirrel]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|trees]]/[[Special:Contributions/PEIsquirrel|nuts]]) 19:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Mar4d ===
Totally misleading allegations using old diffs are being made here. Aman is forgetting that there was no India and Pakistan before the 'Partition'. Moreover, Shashank must know that India wasn't even a direct party in either [[1971 Bangladesh genocide]] or [[Bangladesh Liberation War]]. And if anyone here is following [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] approach, it seems to be Aman and Shashank.[[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 16:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

===Result of the appeal by Mar4d===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*I support repealing the topic ban. Topic bans are partly designed to show that an editor can edit constructively in other areas, and Mar4d has adequately demonstrated that. I'm not overly concerned by the diffs that Aman Kumar Goel provides above, the only concerning one was self-reverted by Mar4d and stuff does happen.--[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]]) 12:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*Once again, agree with [[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]]. Testing the waters by lifting the topic ban seems like it would be a worthwhile exercise in this instance. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:*{{u|Aman.kumar.goel}}, the scope of the topic ban extends to the "conflict between India and Pakistan." It is not [[WP:ARBIPA|IPA]] wide. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 17:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::*{{u|Mar4d}}, how do you respond to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=956259277 page move] {{u|Aman.kumar.goel}} brings up? [[User:El_C|El_C]] 18:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*{{u|Mar4d}}, thank you. I am satisfied by your explanation, overall, but I submit to you that the optics there are not that great. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 19:55, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
*Concur with [[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]]. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 15:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:* I will also say that when I see people in a contentious area trying to get multiple other editors topic banned (or like in this case trying to prevent the topic ban being lifted), my attention tends to shift to ''their'' editing, rather than the people they are reporting. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 08:54, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
*I support lifting the topic ban. Mar4d has edited well while banned, which is exactly what we want to see. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 11:31, 19 June 2020 (UTC).
*Agree with my colleagues. Closing this as consensus to lift the ban. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]])
{{hatb}}

==Hijiri88==
{{hat|Email disabled and talk page access revoked by {{np|Guerillero}}. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 02:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)}}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Hijiri88===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|TH1980}} 19:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Hijiri88}}{{ds/log|Hijiri88}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Catflap08_and_Hijiri88#TH1980_and_Hijiri88_interaction_banned]] :


; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hijiri88&diff=prev&oldid=962873697 June 16] IBAN violation - making inaccurate statements about me on talk page and requesting another editor to make edits that would be in violation of Hijiri88's own IBAN

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
I was alerted by another user of troubling edits made by Hijiri88 on his talk page. In spite of our IBAN, he accused me of making "a false claim" on my previous topic ban appeal, though I didn't do so. He accused me of violating my IBAN on the article [[Korean influence on Japanese culture]], but that's impossible. Since the IBAN was imposed, he has only made one visible edit to the article, which was made years ago,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Korean_influence_on_Japanese_culture&diff=817966593&oldid=810486122] and I didn't modify that edit. He pinged an admin concerning my previous, now lifted, topic ban, even though this matter obviously isn't IBAN-exempt under BANEX rules. Also concerningly, he says "pinging Nishidani (talk · contribs) to see if anything can be done about the content of the recent IBAN-violating edits." It must be noted that Hijiri88 previously said in 2018, "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment&diff=870866770&oldid=870865984 the text might have been added by TH1980, and when I checked the history to confirm I had to email Nishidani to deal with it.]" In other words, this is (at least) the second time Hijiri88 has attempted to get around this IBAN by asking another user to edit in his stead. This is surely in violation of the spirit of the IBAN. What is the point of an IBAN if the other editor can just e-mail someone else to ask them to make edits for him? Hijiri88 has a long history of violating IBANs[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Catflap08_and_Hijiri88#Hijiri88_has_violated_the_interaction_ban_with_Catflap08] and this is surely just another case of that. [[User:TH1980|TH1980]] ([[User talk:TH1980|talk]]) 19:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hijiri88&diff=prev&oldid=962911465]



===Discussion concerning Hijiri88===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''

====Statement by Hijiri88====

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Hijiri88===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*I pulled their talk page access --[[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|Parlez Moi]] 17:02, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Hari147==
{{hat|Indefinitely [[WP:TBAN|topic banned]] from all pages related to [[India]], [[Pakistan]], and [[Afghanistan]], broadly construed. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 16:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC)}}
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Hari147===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Vanamonde93}} 15:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Hari147}}{{ds/log|Hari147}}

;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard discretionary sanctions]]
; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tamil_Nadu&diff=prev&oldid=957199899 17 May 2020] adds an indic script to an article, contrary to [[WP:INDICSCRIPTS]] and contrary to the notice in the article telling them not to do so (visible in the diff).
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jammu_and_Kashmir_(union_territory)&diff=prev&oldid=957198911 17 May 2020] Removes sourced pronunciation guide at [[Jammu and Kashmir (union territory)]], with no explanation.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Congee&diff=prev&oldid=959732874 30 May 2020] claims that a dish cooked throughough south and east asia comes from India, without any sources to back this up.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rani_Padmini&diff=prev&oldid=945832550#Development_as_a_historical_figure 16 March 2020] Removes content that is appropriately sourced in the body, discrediting a widespread opinion among historians in doing so.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ayodhya_dispute&diff=prev&oldid=962290833 13 June 2020] Claims a long-running political dispute is over, with no sources to support his edit. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ayodhya_dispute&diff=prev&oldid=963193499 Repeats] the edit a few days later, without discussing the issue, despite having been reverted the first time.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=951065665 15 April 2020] An absolutely appalling response to {{U|331dot}}, who blocked them for edit-warring.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017_China%E2%80%93India_border_standoff&diff=prev&oldid=960288059 1 June 2020] changes "Status Quo Ante Bellum" to "Indian victory" with no sources and no explanation.
; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any : No previous sanctions under DS; three blocks and multiple warnings for disruptive editing.

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
*Alerted in December 2019 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hari147&oldid=932270902#Important_Notice] by {{U|Doug Weller}}

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
Honestly, given the diffs I've provided, the previous warnings and blocks, and the recent uploading of a copyrighted image [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/File:Chinese_president.jpg (Sorry, admins only) we're into territory where I would consider an indefinite block over a TBAN; but I think the latter is the minimum that's required. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 15:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Bishonen}} Not that I am aware. It's possible they've been told on a talk page somewhere, but I haven't seen it. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 16:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::<s>{{re|Beyond My Ken}} I rather suspect nobody saw it. It came after the 3RR report had been closed; I only found it because I was checking for past sanctions when filing this report. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 15:58, 20 June 2020 (UTC)</s> Strike that; {{U|331dot}} obviously saw it, because they [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=next&oldid=951065825 responded]; perhaps they let it slide as venting after being sanctioned. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]]) 16:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHari147&type=revision&diff=963221214&oldid=960342252]

===Discussion concerning Hari147===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
*Why wasn't Hari147 blocked for that comment to 311dot? I know it's stale now, but why weren't they blocked at the time? [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 19:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Hari147====

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Hari147===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*{{u|Vanamonde93}}, do you know if Hari147 has previously been told about [[Raj era]] sources not being acceptable? They just added some text to [[Yadav]] today, sourced to a gazetteer from 1897 and a book from 1935.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yadav&diff=prev&oldid=963191513] I'm pinging {{u|Sitush}}, who reverted the edit. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 16:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC).
*I was wondering about that ''tactical Chinese versus Indian victory'' edit warring yesterday when I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017_China%E2%80%93India_border_standoff&type=revision&diff=963145025&oldid=963144727 restored] the stable version. I tend to agree with {{u|Vanamonde93}} that we may have a problem here which is best addressed by sanctions. Oh, and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=951065665 message] to 311dot is so beyond the pale, I don't even know what to say about that. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
* I would support, at a minimum, an indefinite topic ban from the IPA topic area. The [[Special:Diff/951065665|message to 331dot]] is a [[WP:NPA|personal attack]], and the remaining diffs show a pattern of [[WP:DE|disruptive editing]] in the topic area. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 00:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
* Support indefinite topic ban from the IPA area. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
* Support indef topic ban from IPA topics. The personal attack, and the repeated attempts to define who won what, are troubling.--[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]]) 16:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Airavan==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Airavan===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|RexxS}} 01:06, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Airavan}}{{ds/log|Airavan}}

;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan #Standard discretionary sanctions]]

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it : Multiple examples of adding or reinserting unsourced content, or unreliable [[Raj era]] sources (multiple RSN debates have concluded they are unreliable, for example see [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_172#Are_British_Raj_ethnographers_unreliable.3F]]

# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962980579&oldid=962978276 17 June 2020] Restores completely unsourced section. Personal attack in edit summary: ''Please stop editing a page that you have no clue of. Maybe you are a very intelligent smartass in your country but please keep your nose out of this page. The information provided under post-titular contains only two paragraphs and they are about the current members of the family who don’t have books, articles and journals published on their name. But they contain true information and there are news article that literally describe the coronation of the king in 2013. So ple''
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962980764&oldid=962980579 17 June 2020] Restores puffery, sourced to a newspaper,. Personal attack in edit summary: ''Editing and removing content despite it having a valid reference is bullying. Stop racism stop bullying''
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962983136&oldid=962981915 17 June 2020] Adds a huge table, sourced to unreliable 1939 [[Raj era]] source
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Jeypore&diff=962986222&oldid=962984950 17 June 2020] Removes a valid {{tl|unreliable source}} tag (source is dated 1903 = Raj era)
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mihirbhoj&diff=963474257&oldid=963472605 20 June 2020] Personal attack on me at [[User talk:Mihirbhoj]]: "We know some People do fake Black lives matter protests to SHOW OFF. Everyone knows how fake some people are. They do Systematic racism, target one page that they don’t know anything about and misuse their admin role and just edit and scribble only on this one wiki page."
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mihirbhoj&diff=963475860&oldid=963474257 20 June 2020] A further personal attack on me at [[User talk:Mihirbhoj]]: "Go kiddo, read that book by the Odisha Govt and you will find all kings mentioned in the table. And don’t come back with your little head until you have finished reading it. Don’t know how some **** become admins, I’m better than you. LOL."

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Airavan&oldid=963429043 Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months].

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint
: In May 2020, I posted at [[Talk:Kingdom of Jeypore]] that the article had been bloated with unreliable sources and {{u|Abecedare}} agreed, giving an analysis of some of the challenged sources. Two days ago, I signalled my intention to start removing content sourced to unreliable sources.
: This has been thwarted by two editors, {{u|Airavan}} and {{u|Mihirbhoj}}, who have repeatedly re-inserted the disputed content, sourced to newspapers or TV channels or Raj era sources (and in some cases completely unsourced). The whole article is currently a hagiography and needs [[WP:TNT]].

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Airavan&diff=963481678&oldid=963429043 Notification]

===Discussion concerning Airavan===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Airavan====

====Statement by (username)====


===Result concerning Airavan===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* Airavan's [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] in these edit summaries are unambiguously unacceptable, and the diffs show that their edits frequently contain violations of the [[WP:V|verifiability policy]]. Considering that Airavan has made comments indicating that they are unlikely to be receptive to feedback from other editors, I recommend an indefinite topic ban from the IPA topic area (at a minimum). — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 02:03, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
** I've blocked Airavan for 1 week for the personal attacks as a normal administrative action, but still recommend the indefinite topic ban. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|Newslinger]]''' [[User talk:Newslinger#top|talk]]'' 02:28, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*Another day, another indefinite [[WP:ARBIPA|IPA]] topic ban recommended. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 03:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:*Yes, [[User:El_C|El_C]], but I don't recommend it for this editor. Did you see those completely ridiculous attacks on RexxS, otherwise known as "kiddo", at [[User talk:Mihirbhoj]]? I recommend an '''indefinite block'''. Strongly. Why witter about with topic bans when there's no indication anywhere that there's a decent editor in there trying to get out? It's not as if they've shown any sign of being interested in editing outside the ipa area. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC).

==Marvin 2009==
''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''

===Request concerning Marvin 2009===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|PatCheng}} 13:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Marvin 2009}}{{ds/log|Marvin 2009}}


;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Falun Gong]]

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

*Note that Marvin 2009 now go by the name Precious Stone as a signature, but his user name remains Marvin 2009.

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961121886 6 June 2020] Engaged in soapboxing, and proceeded to remove [[WP:SPA]] labels in a discussion page.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961979714 11 June 2020] Blanking the [[Falun Gong]] article page, accusing it of being biased, removing sourced material and and also misusing the Citation Needed tag over sources he dislike. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&oldid=961990803 Warned] by admin [[User:Doug_Weller]] as a result.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doug_Weller&diff=962211243&oldid=962154664 June 12 2020] In regards to Doug Weller's warning, he claimed that his previous warnings were the result of "biased activists", highlighting his battleground mentality. Further [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doug_Weller&diff=next&oldid=962213302 warned] by admin [[User:El_C]].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960540906 June 3 2020] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960741985 June 4 2020][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960906663 5 June 2020][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=960931781 June 5 2020] In a timespan of 48 hours, continued to insert and revert a paragraph suiting his POV, including several that fail [[WP:RS]] such as a Forbes contributor site and the personal site of a conservative activist. A [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive410#User:Marvin_2009_reported_by_User:Horse_Eye_Jack_(Result:_) 3RR case] was filed against the user but seem to have gone stale.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=960990334&oldid=960985679 June 6 2020] Suggested another editor of being a Wumao (paid editor by the Chinese government).
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=960993079&oldid=960991116 June 6 2020] Same as above, using an article from [[The Washington Times]] to suggest that the editor was paid.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=961055307&oldid=961008997 June 6 2020] Attempted to link supposed pro-CCP edits with real life Chinese spying, suggesting a moral obligation to out them.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=961126817&oldid=961101809 June 6 2020] Further suggestions that other editors are Chinese spies, using real life spies being caught as an examples.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=961261955&oldid=961171193 June 7 2020] More accusations of other editors of being biased against him and FLG.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Marvin_2009&oldid=287199362 May 1 2009] This old edit on his user page, as well as since deleted uploads [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marvin_2009/Archive_1#File_source_problem_with_File:09Vocal_ECard_V3.jpg] showed that he attempted to advertise for Falun Gong affiliate [[New Tang Dynasty TV]], possibly violating [[WP:SPA]], [[WP:COI]], and [[WP:PROMO]].

The following were raised in my previous request:
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=902088103 16 June 2019] In my June 2019 ANI case, he dug up some of my old edits, and together some random news articles, engaged in soapboxing and slyly suggested that I'm a CCP spy, and that my behavior on Wikipedia of being "against the freedom of belief and the freedom of expression, those pillars of modern civilization".
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=898278458 22 May 2019] Soapboxing about the evils of CCP in a RFC comment about number of FLG members.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=894715446 29 April 2019] Similar soapboxing on talk page, attempting to discredit sources critical of FLG.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=890300310 31 March 2019] Calling for the removal of Chinese government sources, using a US-funded NGO as evidence.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=890298087 31 March 2019] Same as above.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shen_Yun_Performing_Arts&diff=prev&oldid=889666730 27 March 2019] Further soapboxing, accusing another user of being "50 Cent Party" (a slur against users deemed pro-CCP).
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=894380073 27 April 2019] Accused another user of being a "CCP apologist".
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive301#User:Marvin_2009_reported_by_User:STSC_(Result:_blocked) 7 February 2016] Previously engaged in 3RR violations and demonstrated a clear disregard of WP policy, launching a 3RR case against the user who reported him [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive301#User:STSC_reported_by_User:Marvin_2009_(Result:_stale/no_violation)].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=694018631&oldid=694017607 6 December 2015] Accusing other users in the 3RR case of being "CCP sympathizers".

; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :

#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=694040609&oldid=693992099 6 Dec 2015] 48 hour block for edit warring

;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]):
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&oldid=709022866 March 2016] By Happymonsoonday1
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&oldid=903437249 June 2019] By MrClog

; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
Marvin 2009 almost exclusively edit the contentious Falun Gong articles, pushing a POV that favors the practice. I previously filed a case against this particular editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive253#Marvin_2009 in 2019], noting his problematic editing behaviors. He was warned by admins about the discretionary sanctions per [[WP:ARBFLG]], but it's obviously that his behavior has not improved in the year since. Marvin 2009/Precious Stone displays a shocking lack of [[WP:COMPETENCE]] in his edits at Wikipedia, including problems with [[WP:NPOV]], [[WP:CIVIL]], [[WP:AGF]], [[WP:RS]], [[WP:SOAPBOX]], [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] and possibly [[WP:COI]]. I felt that a topic ban might be warranted due to his continued edit warring and disruptive accusations against other editors on contentious articles such as Falun Gong.

; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marvin_2009&diff=963560070&oldid=963000686]


===Discussion concerning Marvin 2009===
''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''
====Statement by Marvin 2009====
{{ping|Seraphimblade}}, you wrote that you think some of my editing are a cause for concern. Before banning, could you let me know and I will try to clarify or explain any specific concerns you have?
I think there are several other editors whose edits also needs to be looked at too, because this is not a one-sided dispute between only two editors. [[user talk:Marvin 2009 |Precious Stone]] 00:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by (Horse Eye Jack)====
I’ve encountered the same problems with Marvin 2009 re POV pushing, threats, and aggression. They spammed my talk page with the copy-pasted discussions from their talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Horse_Eye_Jack&diff=961505393&oldid=961370286][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Horse_Eye_Jack&diff=961370286&oldid=960598539] which remains a unique form of disruption, never seen anyone else do that. After I pointed out to them back in the day that they appeared to be an SPA only interested in the FG space they developed an intense interest in refrigeration although the quality of editing didn't improve (they were still adding unsourced information). I note that in out COI discussion they repeatedly said they had never been paid for their edits but never addressed the other aspects of COI, they appear to believe that without direct payments its not COI. [[User:Horse Eye Jack|Horse Eye Jack]] ([[User talk:Horse Eye Jack|talk]]) 15:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:I tagged SPA’s as SPA’s if you disagree with my tag you are welcome to do so... On the appropriate talk page, not here. There is no debate that Marvin 2009 was a SPA when I tagged them. Given that you also appear to have a problematic edit history in regards to FG related topics I would watch it lest you get [[WP:Boomerang|Bommeranged]] by your participation here. [[User:Horse Eye Jack|Horse Eye Jack]] ([[User talk:Horse Eye Jack|talk]]) 22:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:Even if PatCheng is sketchy the core point stands... Marvin 2009 is clearly [[WP:NOTHERE]], I’ve discussed bringing them here with other editors before. [[User:Horse Eye Jack|Horse Eye Jack]] ([[User talk:Horse Eye Jack|talk]]) 22:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by TheBlueCanoe====
At some point this dispute (the broader dispute) should probably be punted to ArbCom. But with respect to this application, the filing editor certainly has an unusual history: no edits since 2006, and then they return with unusual precocity and an apparent axe to grind.

It looks like the OP is really reaching here. Some examples:

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961121886] OP accuses Marvin 2009 of [[WP:Soapboxing]]. I don’t see any soapboxing. I see Marvin undoing a talk page edit by [[User:Horse_Eye_Jack]], in which the latter had erroneously tagged every editor who disagreed with him as an SPA. Marvin 2009 was probably in the right here.

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&diff=prev&oldid=961979714] – OP accuses Marvin 2009 of blanking content. The context is important: Marvin is undoing significant changes that had failed to gain consensus on the talk page. Although the material was sourced (badly, in some cases), it appeared to fail WP:NPOV, WP:LEAD, WP:WEIGHT, and possibly WP:V. Reverting an edit that being contested on the talk page is not, by itself, sanctionable behaviour.

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Marvin_2009&oldid=287199362] - OP says Marvin 2009 was trying to “advertise” for a Falun Gong-affiliated organization by, what…creating a page, whose content we can’t see? We can't draw inferences about an editor's intentions based on a deleted media file.

To the charge that Marvin was accusing others of being pro-Chinese government agents, I’m not seeing it in the diffs provided. I don’t know what the context was, but talking about the existence of a 50 cent army, and noting that the Chinese government engages in international influence campaigns, may be a legitimate matter for discussion. As long as he’s not making unsubstantiated allegations about specific editors, which doesn't seem to be the case (unless I missed it). [[User:TheBlueCanoe|'''TheBlueCanoe''']] 21:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Pudeo====
What's up with the OP making no edits at all for 12 years and 8 months (2006-2019), and then his first edits are reporting Marvin 2009 to ANI and AE in June 2019? Some comments by Marvin 2009 indeed do seem battleground-y, but it is troubling if the driving force behind this is some kind of a spillover from the Chinese Wikipedia (which Marvin edits according to his global contribs).

PatCheng refers to conduct in the Chinese Wikipedia in another [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Epoch_Times&type=revision&diff=963543603&oldid=963334217&diffmode=source comment] directed at {{u|Wetrace}}: {{tq|Your conduct on Chinese WP demonstrated that you have a very low knowledge of WP:RS and WP:V.}} However, according to the global contribs, PatCheng does not edit the Chinese WP. Something does not add up. --[[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]] ([[User talk:Pudeo|talk]]) 19:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

: Thanks User Pudeo for your spending time on this.
: Indeed, Pat Cheng reported me twice one year ago. Now it comes again after one year.
: The 10 accusations Pat Cheng put out are far away from the truth. I am going to address all Pat Cheng's 20 + accusations, which will take some time.
: This year, Pat Cheng also included 9 points his previous accusations in last year's AE report, which were addressed in my reply to his ANI report (that was why I did not respond to the AE report last year) . While negating all untrue attacks, my reply last year also recognized sometimes my reply on discussion pages were a bit long and unnecessary and I would try to improve in this area. Since then, my discussions on article talk pages have been disciplined well - no unnecessary long talk on article page any more. I feel it is an improvement on my end. [[user talk:Marvin 2009 |Precious Stone]] 00:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

===Result concerning Marvin 2009===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

* [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/PatChen This] is as suspicious AF. The OP has just returned from a hiatus of over 12 years to pick up where they left off in 2006. Boomerang? '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' ([[user talk:JzG|help!]]) 22:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*{{u|JzG|Guy}}, in a recent enforcement request (I'll try to look it up and link it here) I noted how there seemed to be a lot of long-dormant accounts suddenly becoming active again when a Falun Gong dispute crops up. I think this is a pattern that might need to be examined more thoroughly; this is certainly not the first time. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 22:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*:[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive266#Bloodofox|Here]] is the one to which I'm referring. That being said, Marvin 2009 also has a history of popping in and out of activity, and some of the behavior brought up here is genuinely a cause for concern. So even if there needs to be a boomerang here, I don't think that's all that needs to happen. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 23:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*::{{u|Seraphimblade}}, Plausible. I say TBANs for both, based on edit history. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' ([[user talk:JzG|help!]]) 23:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Marvin 2009}}, first off, it always raises my antennae when someone is using a fake signature. Your username should be in your signature (though you could always do something like "Marvin 2009 aka Precious Stone" or "Precious Stone (Marvin 2009)"). If you wanted to actually change username, there is a [[WP:CHU|process for that]]. That aside, you have been edit warring. I thought that the last discussion placed Falun Gong under 1RR, but I don't see that it was marked as such; if not I plan to swiftly rectify that, but I won't blame you for it since I don't see the notice. That aside, edit warring, even if under the "RR" limit, is still disruptive. You've also been casting a lot of [[WP:ASPERSION|aspersions]], such as that other editors are some type of activists or agents. You seem to assert here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doug_Weller&diff=962211243&oldid=962154664] that one must open a discussion ''before'' making an edit, which is exactly backwards—everyone may edit, and if anyone else disagrees, discussion then is the way forward. Edits should not be reverted simply for not being discussed in advance. So, to be quite honest, I agree with Guy, in that neither one of you really have any business editing in such a sensitive topic area at this time. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 00:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
*:::In addition, {{u|Marvin 2009}}, could you please explain why you removed a comment by Guy in this edit? [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&type=revision&diff=963649398&oldid=963646100] [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 01:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

==Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Shuki==

''Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Enforcement|here]]. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.''

''To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see [[WP:UNINVOLVED]]).''

; Appealing user : {{userlinks|Shuki}} – [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 01:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

; Sanction being appealed : [[WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary_sanctions]] banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces indefinitely, imposed at
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=485917007&oldid=485916254]

; Administrator imposing the sanction : {{admin|WGFinley}}

; Notification of that administrator : ''The appealing editor is asked to notify the administrator who made the enforcement action of this appeal, and then to replace this text with a [[WP:DIFF|diff]] of that notification. The appeal may not be processed otherwise. If a block is appealed, the editor moving the appeal to this board should make the notification.''

===Statement by Shuki===

Several years ago, I was TBANNed from the ARBPIA area. Since then, I made a few hundred edits but moved on to other interests off-wp. Recently, I have noticed that many articles that I created or improved have over the years become stagnant and information is outdated, whether in the direct sphere of the ban or indirectly. While I do not have the same free time to become to contribute actively, nonetheless, I'd like to return to create, update and edit even if infrequently in the area. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 01:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

===Statement by WGFinley===

===Statement by (involved editor 1)===

===Statement by (involved editor 2)===

===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Shuki ===

===Result of the appeal by Shuki===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''

*

El'ad

2020-06-20T23:34:43Z

Shuki: cn requested

{{redirect|Elad}}
{{Infobox Israel municipality
|name=El'ad
|image_skyline=Elad03.JPG
|image_caption=
|emblem=Coat of arms of Elad.svg
|emblem_type= Coat of arms
|hebname={{Hebrew|אלעד}}
|ISO=ʔelˁad
| country = {{ISR}}
|meaning=
|founded=1998
|type=city
|typefrom=2008
|stdHeb=
|altOffSp=
|altUnoSp=
|district=center
| popyear = {{Israel populations|Year}}
| population = {{Israel populations|El'ad}}
| population_footnotes={{Israel populations|reference}}
|area_dunam=2756
|pushpin_map=Israel center ta#Israel|pushpin_mapsize=250 |pushpin_label_position=left
|coordinates = {{coord|32|3|8.34|N|34|57|4.47|E|region:IL|format=dms|display=inline,title}}
|mayor=Israel (Srulik) Porush ([[United Torah Judaism|UTJ]])
|website = http://www.elad.muni.il
}}
'''El'ad''', also spelled '''Elad''' ({{lang-he-n|אלעד}}), is a new city in the [[Central District (Israel)|Center District]] of [[Israel]], built over the ruins of the [[List of towns and villages depopulated during the 1948 Palestinian exodus |depopulated Palestinian village]] of [[Al-Muzayri'a]]{{cn}}. Located about {{convert|25|km|mi}} east of [[Tel Aviv]] on [[Route 444]] between [[Rosh HaAyin]] and [[Shoham]], it had a population of {{Israel populations|El'ad}} in {{Israel populations|Year}}.{{Israel populations|reference}} El'ad is the only locality in Israel officially designated a religious municipality. The name El'ad means “Forever God”, but it is also named after a member of the tribe of [[Ephraim]], who lived in this area (1 Chronicles 7:21).<ref>Bitan, Hanna: 1948-1998: Fifty Years of 'Hityashvut': Atlas of Names of Settlements in Israel, Jerusalem 1999, Carta, p.6, {{ISBN|965-220-423-4}} (Hebrew)</ref>

==History==
The building of El'ad started in the late 1990s, following a government decision in 1990 to build a series of settlements along the seam line with the [[West Bank]] under then-housing minister [[Ariel Sharon]],<ref name="Haaretz1.37811">{{cite web| url=http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/business/a-star-settlement-is-born-1.37811| title=A star settlement is born. In these hard economic times, Elad seems to be the only place that's booming as the ultra-Orthodox are flocking to its green spaces and relatively low house prices| first=Shlomi |last=Shefer| work=Haaretz| date=2002-08-05}}</ref> and provide immediate housing for 50,000 residents.<ref>{{cite web| url=https://www.fig.net/resources/proceedings/fig_proceedings/fig_2002/Ts8-3/TS8_3_greenberg.pdf| title=City Development in Israel| first=Harry |last=Greenberg| date=19–26 September 2002}}</ref> The town was built from scratch as a [[planned community]] according to urban planning paradigms not unlike [[Modi'in]] and nearby [[Shoham]]. While those towns were designed to suit a mixed population of non-religious and religious Jews, El'ad was originally planned to suit a mixed population of [[Modern Orthodox Judaism|Modern Orthodox]]/[[Religious Zionism|Religious Zionist]] [[Jew]]s and ultra-Orthodox [[Haredi]] Jews, offering a solution to the acute shortage of affordable housing for Haredi families. The majority of the population are Haredi Jews. Accordingly, El'ad is built in a way that suits their religious lifestyle, with a larger selection of housing options offering larger than average apartments to accommodate religious families, who tend to have more children than the average national population. Another characteristic is easy access and short walking distances to local education institutions to avoid the need for school transportation costs.

By 1998, El'ad had already achieved [[local council (Israel)|local council]] status; in February 2008, El'ad's official status was changed to a city.<ref>{{cite web| url= http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125170|title=Ten-Year-Old Hareidi-Religious Community of Elad Named a City|work=Arutz Sheva| date= 2008-02-06|accessdate=|last=Fendel|first=Hillel}}</ref> The city's current mayor is Israel Porush, a member of the [[United Torah Judaism]] party.<ref name="Haaretz">{{cite web| url = http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/ashkenazi-and-sephardi-rabbis-battle-over-sabbath-hours-in-elad-1.399590| title=Ashkenazi and Sephardi rabbis battle over Sabbath hours in Elad | first=Yair |last=Ettinger| work=Haaretz| date=2011-12-05}}</ref>

==Demographics==
El'ad is one of the fastest-growing towns in Israel, with an annual population growth of 6 to 7 percent. The population density per square kilometer is 13.1,<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www1.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_15&CYear=2010 |title=Population and Density per Sq.Km in Localities Numbering 5,000 Residents and more on 31 XII 2009 |publisher=Israel CBS |date=2009-12-31 |url-status=dead |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20110921135618/http://www1.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_15&CYear=2010 |archivedate=2011-09-21 }}</ref> median age is 11.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www1.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_11x&CYear=2010 |title=Population, by population Group, Religion, Age, Sex and Type of Locality, Average 2009 |publisher=Israel CBS |date=2009-12-31 |url-status=dead |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20120228173009/http://www.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_11x&CYear=2010 |archivedate=2012-02-28 }}</ref>

==Economy==
The support center of [[Ramat Gan]]-based Israeli company Daronet is located in El'ad. Its workers are ultra-Orthodox women. In 2012, Daronet signed a sales agreement worth {{Nowrap|[[New Israeli shekel|NIS]]700,000}} ({{Nowrap|[[United States dollar|US$]]180,000}}) with Saudi energy giant Yanar.<ref>{{cite news|last=Petersburg|first=Ofer|title=Saudi Oil Giant Partners Up With Israeli Tech Company|url=http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/business/2012/05/saudi-oil-is-ours.html|accessdate=22 May 2012|agency=[[Yedioth Ahronoth]]|newspaper=[[Al-Monitor]]|date=19 May 2012}}</ref>

==Notable residents==

* [[Eyal Yifrah]], 19-year old killed in the [[2014 kidnapping and murder of Israeli teenagers]]
* Avishay Shindler, 24 years old was killed in 2010 by terrorist while driving on a ride as they passed near Bney Naim junction south to Kiryat Arba

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Commons category|El'ad}}

{{Center District (Israel)}}

[[Category:Cities in Israel]]
[[Category:Planned communities]]
[[Category:Religious Israeli communities]]
[[Category:Hebrew-language names]]
[[Category:Cities in Central District (Israel)]]

Kalman Liebskind

2020-06-20T22:46:47Z

Shuki: /* External links */ +Facebook page, rm stub

[[image:קלמן ליבסקינד (cropped).jpg|230px|thumb|Kalman Liebskind ]]

'''Kalman Liebskind''' (Heb: '''קלמן ליבסקינד'''; born on 1970) is an Israeli [[journalist]].

== Early Life ==
Liebskind was born in [[Nir Galim]] and studied at the [[Yeshivat Or Etzion]]. He was drafted into the [[Intelligence Corps (Israel)|Intelligence Corps]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces]] and upon discharge, worked as a [[private investigator]].

== Media Career ==
In 1997, he was one of the founding journalists at [[Makor Rishon]] and worked as an [[Investigative journalism|investigative reporter]]. In 2000, he began working at [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]]. In recent years, Liebskind has published a weekly column in [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]]'s "Mosafshabat" which deals with weekly political and current affairs. <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nrg.co.il/app/index.php?do=blog&encr_id=79974780b5e0d394fddbd1a00f4f21d3&id=1216|title= צה"ל, הנאצים ו"הארץ"|last=Liebskind|first=Kalman|date=7 August 2010|publisher=NRG Maariv|language=Hebrew|accessdate=20 December 2011}}</ref>

Between 2011-2016, Liebskind co-hosted the main morning news and current affairs radio show with [[Arel Segel]] on [[Galey Yisrael]]. In October 2016, Liebskind moved to co-host the main morning news and current affairs radio show with [[Assaf Lieberman]] on [[Kan Bet]] of the [[Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation]] Taagid network. In 2019, he also began to co-host an afternoon current affairs tv show with Arel Segel]] on [[Kan 11]]. In June 2020, the 'Kalman & Segel' show was abruptly cancelled.

Liebskind has published several high-profile exposés:
* In 1999, he exposed [[Ehud Barak]]'s non-profit organizations that funded Barak's elections' campaign, in violation of Israel's political parties funding law.
* In 2008, he exposed that [[general]] [[Yoav Galant]] has taken over public lands in [[Moshav]] [[Amikam]]. This exposure led eventually to the cancellation of Galant's appointment as [[Chief of General Staff (Israel)|Chief of General Staff]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces|IDF]].

== Awards and honors ==
* Media Criticism Award (2002) - פרס ביקורת התקשורת
* Ometz Award (2007) - אות אומ"ץ
* [[Movement for Quality Government in Israel|Knight of Quality Government Award]] (2009) - אות אביר איכות השלטון

== Personal life ==
Liebskind is married with five children. <ref name="The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech">{{cite news |last= Veistokh |first= Moshe |date= 19 June 2020|title= לשמאל יש בעיה קשה עם חופש הביטוי|trans-title= The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech |url= http://www.shvii.co.il|language= Hebrew |work= |location= |access-date= 19 June 2020 |edition= 398}} </ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

== External links ==
* [https://www.maariv.co.il/Kalman-Liebskind/ExpertAuthor-38 Personal page at Maariv]
* [https://www.facebook.com/%D7%A7%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%9F-%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%91%D7%A1%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%93-464441290234888/ Facebook page]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Liebskind, Kalman}}
[[Category:1970 births]]
[[Category:Living people]]
[[Category:Israeli Jews]]
[[Category:Israeli journalists]]
[[Category:Maariv (newspaper) people]]

Kalman Liebskind

2020-06-20T22:42:09Z

Shuki: /* Media Career */ +broadcast positions

[[image:קלמן ליבסקינד (cropped).jpg|230px|thumb|Kalman Liebskind ]]

'''Kalman Liebskind''' (Heb: '''קלמן ליבסקינד'''; born on 1970) is an Israeli [[journalist]].

== Early Life ==
Liebskind was born in [[Nir Galim]] and studied at the [[Yeshivat Or Etzion]]. He was drafted into the [[Intelligence Corps (Israel)|Intelligence Corps]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces]] and upon discharge, worked as a [[private investigator]].

== Media Career ==
In 1997, he was one of the founding journalists at [[Makor Rishon]] and worked as an [[Investigative journalism|investigative reporter]]. In 2000, he began working at [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]]. In recent years, Liebskind has published a weekly column in [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]]'s "Mosafshabat" which deals with weekly political and current affairs. <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nrg.co.il/app/index.php?do=blog&encr_id=79974780b5e0d394fddbd1a00f4f21d3&id=1216|title= צה"ל, הנאצים ו"הארץ"|last=Liebskind|first=Kalman|date=7 August 2010|publisher=NRG Maariv|language=Hebrew|accessdate=20 December 2011}}</ref>

Between 2011-2016, Liebskind co-hosted the main morning news and current affairs radio show with [[Arel Segel]] on [[Galey Yisrael]]. In October 2016, Liebskind moved to co-host the main morning news and current affairs radio show with [[Assaf Lieberman]] on [[Kan Bet]] of the [[Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation]] Taagid network. In 2019, he also began to co-host an afternoon current affairs tv show with Arel Segel]] on [[Kan 11]]. In June 2020, the 'Kalman & Segel' show was abruptly cancelled.

Liebskind has published several high-profile exposés:
* In 1999, he exposed [[Ehud Barak]]'s non-profit organizations that funded Barak's elections' campaign, in violation of Israel's political parties funding law.
* In 2008, he exposed that [[general]] [[Yoav Galant]] has taken over public lands in [[Moshav]] [[Amikam]]. This exposure led eventually to the cancellation of Galant's appointment as [[Chief of General Staff (Israel)|Chief of General Staff]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces|IDF]].

== Awards and honors ==
* Media Criticism Award (2002) - פרס ביקורת התקשורת
* Ometz Award (2007) - אות אומ"ץ
* [[Movement for Quality Government in Israel|Knight of Quality Government Award]] (2009) - אות אביר איכות השלטון

== Personal life ==
Liebskind is married with five children. <ref name="The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech">{{cite news |last= Veistokh |first= Moshe |date= 19 June 2020|title= לשמאל יש בעיה קשה עם חופש הביטוי|trans-title= The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech |url= http://www.shvii.co.il|language= Hebrew |work= |location= |access-date= 19 June 2020 |edition= 398}} </ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

== External links ==
* [https://www.maariv.co.il/Kalman-Liebskind/ExpertAuthor-38 Personal page at Maariv]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Liebskind, Kalman}}
[[Category:1970 births]]
[[Category:Living people]]
[[Category:Israeli Jews]]
[[Category:Israeli journalists]]
[[Category:Maariv (newspaper) people]]

{{Israel-journalist-stub}}

Kalman Liebskind

2020-06-20T22:39:08Z

Shuki: +sections, reorder

[[image:קלמן ליבסקינד (cropped).jpg|230px|thumb|Kalman Liebskind ]]

'''Kalman Liebskind''' (Heb: '''קלמן ליבסקינד'''; born on 1970) is an Israeli [[journalist]].

== Early Life ==
Liebskind was born in [[Nir Galim]] and studied at the [[Yeshivat Or Etzion]]. He was drafted into the [[Intelligence Corps (Israel)|Intelligence Corps]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces]] and upon discharge, worked as a [[private investigator]].

== Media Career ==
In 1997, he was one of the founding journalists at [[Makor Rishon]] and worked as an [[Investigative journalism|investigative reporter]]. In 2000, he began working at [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]]. In recent years, Liebskind has published a weekly column in [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]]'s "Mosafshabat" which deals with weekly political and current affairs. <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nrg.co.il/app/index.php?do=blog&encr_id=79974780b5e0d394fddbd1a00f4f21d3&id=1216|title= צה"ל, הנאצים ו"הארץ"|last=Liebskind|first=Kalman|date=7 August 2010|publisher=NRG Maariv|language=Hebrew|accessdate=20 December 2011}}</ref>

Liebskind has published several high-profile exposés:
* In 1999, he exposed [[Ehud Barak]]'s non-profit organizations that funded Barak's elections' campaign, in violation of Israel's political parties funding law.
* In 2008, he exposed that [[general]] [[Yoav Galant]] has taken over public lands in [[Moshav]] [[Amikam]]. This exposure led eventually to the cancellation of Galant's appointment as [[Chief of General Staff (Israel)|Chief of General Staff]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces|IDF]].

== Awards and honors ==
* Media Criticism Award (2002) - פרס ביקורת התקשורת
* Ometz Award (2007) - אות אומ"ץ
* [[Movement for Quality Government in Israel|Knight of Quality Government Award]] (2009) - אות אביר איכות השלטון

== Personal life ==
Liebskind is married with five children. <ref name="The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech">{{cite news |last= Veistokh |first= Moshe |date= 19 June 2020|title= לשמאל יש בעיה קשה עם חופש הביטוי|trans-title= The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech |url= http://www.shvii.co.il|language= Hebrew |work= |location= |access-date= 19 June 2020 |edition= 398}} </ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

== External links ==
* [https://www.maariv.co.il/Kalman-Liebskind/ExpertAuthor-38 Personal page at Maariv]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Liebskind, Kalman}}
[[Category:1970 births]]
[[Category:Living people]]
[[Category:Israeli Jews]]
[[Category:Israeli journalists]]
[[Category:Maariv (newspaper) people]]

{{Israel-journalist-stub}}

List of radio stations in Israel

2020-06-20T22:20:50Z

Shuki: /* Jerusalem and its region */ typo

{{short description|Wikipedia list article}}
{{See also|:Category:Radio stations in Israel}}
This is a '''list of radio stations in [[Israel]]'''.

==Israel Public Broadcasting==

===FM===
[[FM broadcasting]] operated by Israeli stations:

====North and Upper Galilee====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''95.7 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''94.4 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|PBS
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''102.8 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|[[News]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''100.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''97.7 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''102.8 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Safed area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''98.5 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''92.0 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''88.1 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''99.3 FM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Haifa area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''100.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.5 FM'''

'''93.7 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''

'''103.7 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''105.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''92.4 FM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''99.5 FM'''
|HamEsh
|[http://www.995.co.il]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.995.co.il/popup-player]
|-
|'''107.5 FM'''
|Radio Haifa
|[http://www.1075.fm]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.1075.fm/נגן/]
|-
|'''96.0 FM'''
|Kol Rega
|[http://www.96fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.96fm.co.il/player/kolrega_player/index.html]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Oranim
|[https://www.oranim.ac.il/sites/heb/community/radio-oranim/course/pages/default.aspx]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.oranim.ac.il/sites/heb/main/banner-inner/radio-oranim/radio-live/radio-live.html]
|-
|'''105.3 FM'''
|Radio Kol HaGalil Haelion
|[http://www.1053fm.co]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.1053fm.co]
|-
|'''106.0FM'''
|Radio Kol Yizrael
|[http://www.radio106.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://onlineradiobox.com/il/kolyizrael/?cs=il.kolyizrael]
|-
|'''106.1 FM'''
|Radio Kol Galim
|[https://www.kol-galim.co.il]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kol-galim.co.il/]
|-
|}

====Beit She'an area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''88.9 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Jerusalem and its region====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''

'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|Oldies hits playlist
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''91.3 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.2 FM'''<ref>'''Reka''' 06:00–15:00, '''Reshet Hei''' 15:00-23:00</ref>
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''104.9 FM'''

'''105.1 FM''' /
'''105.3 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|[[Jazz]] / [[Adult contemporary music]] / [[Culture]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]

[https://kanlivep2event-i.akamaihd.net/hls/live/749634/749634/playlist.m3u8]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''97.8 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''90.3 FM'''

'''104.8 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-

|'''98.4 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-

|'''89.1 FM'''
|Pervoye Radio
|[http://www.891fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[http://www.891fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''105.7 FM'''

'''92.1 FM'''
|[[Kol BaRama]]
|[http://www.kol-barama.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://kol-barama.co.il/live/]
|-
|'''92.8 FM'''

'''93.0 FM'''
|[[Kol Chai]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/onair.html]
|-
|'''101.0 FM'''

|Radio Jerusalem
|[https://www.jerusalemnet.co.il/] [http://www.101fm.tapuz.co.il/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Sports]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://live1.co.il/jrs101fm/] [mms://212.150.243.29/101fm]
|-
|'''106.5 FM'''

'''94.0 FM''' /
'''89.3 FM'''
|[[Galey Yisrael]]
|[http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://raddio.net/82750-galey-israel/] [http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|-
|}

====Central Israel====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-

|'''94.4 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.2 FM'''

'''101.3 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|
'''104.8 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.7 FM'''

'''97.8 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''90.3 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''97.2 FM''' / '''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''90.0 FM'''
|Radio Tishim
|[https://www.90fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.90fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''91.0 FM'''
|Radio Lev HaMedina
|[https://91fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://91fm.co.il/video-translation/] [https://onlineradiobox.com/il/hamedina/?cs=il.hamedina&played=1]
|-
|'''92.1 FM'''
|[[Kol BaRama]]
|[http://www.kol-barama.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://kol-barama.co.il/live/]
|-
|'''92.8 FM'''

'''93.0 FM'''
|[[Kol Chai]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/onair.html]
|-
|'''99.0 FM'''
|Eco 99 FM
|[https://eco99fm.maariv.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://eco99fm.maariv.co.il/live-radio]
|-
|'''103.0 FM'''
|Radio Lelo Hafsaka
|[https://103fm.maariv.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://103fm.maariv.co.il/include/OnLineView.aspx]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Kol Ramat HaSharon
|[http://1036fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://1036fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Kol HaShfela
|[https://www.1036kh.com/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://live1.co.il/1036kh/]
|-
|'''106.2 FM'''
|IDC Radio
|[http://1062fm.co.il/en/#]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://1062fm.co.il/en/player]
|-
|'''106.5 FM'''

'''94.0 FM''' /
'''89.3 FM'''
|Galey Yisrael
|[http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://raddio.net/82750-galey-israel/] [http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|-

|}

====Beersheba area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.55 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|Best of everything
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''90.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''107.3 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''103.3 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''106.9 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''93.3 FM'''

'''94.4 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''95.8 FM'''

'''97.0 FM''' / '''101.5 FM'''
|Radio Darom
|[http://www.radiodarom.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.radiodarom.co.il/?p=7588]
|-
|'''104.0 FM'''
|[[Army Radio|Galei Tzahal]]
|[https://glz.co.il/%d7%92%d7%9c%d7%a6/]
|Army Radio Oldies/Talk
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://glz.co.il/גלצ] [http://player.gl.bynetcdn.com/Players/ByPlayer/EmbedPlayer/GLZ?ClipID=glz&type=live]
|-
|'''93.5 FM'''
|[[Galgalatz]]
|[https://glz.co.il/%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%A6]
|Army Radio Modern Music/News
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://glz.co.il/%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%A6] [http://player.gl.bynetcdn.com/Players/ByPlayer/EmbedPlayer/GLZ?ClipID=glglz&type=live]
|-
|}

====Negev and Northern Negev====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''104.1 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''

'''104.3 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Ha Arava====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''92.4 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.6 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Eilat====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''97.0 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''90.7 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''100.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''102.0 FM'''
|Kol HaYam HaAdom
|[https://www.fm102.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.fm102.co.il/LiveBroadcast]
|-
|}

===AM===
[[AM broadcasting|AM stations]] operated by the Israel Broadcasting Authority

====Galilee panhandle====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''882 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Galilee====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1206 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''738 kHz AM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|}

====Jerusalem area====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''774 kHz AM'''
|Radio Mevaser Tov
|[http://www.770tv.org/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.770tv.org/streaming/radio.html]
|-
|}

====Central area====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''531 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''657 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''1080 kHz AM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''531 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Eilat====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

== Commercial broadcasters ==

===Center===
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''100.0 FM'''
|Radius (Israeli radio station)|Radius
|[http://www.100fm.co.il/]
|Pop
|[[Hebrew]], English
|[http://www.100fm.co.il/Player_new/ind.html] [https://onlineradiobox.com/il/radius/?cs=il.radius&played=1]
|-
|'''102.0 FM'''
|Radio Tel Aviv
|[http://102fm.co.il/] [http://www.tapuz.co.il/minisites/102fm/]
| Popular Israeli and American hit songs
|[[Hebrew language|Hebrew]], English
|[http://102fm.co.il/] [http://face.mediacast.co.il/102fm/audio/]
|-
|}

===North and Upper Galilee===

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''98.1 FM'''

'''101.1 FM'''
|A-Shams
|[https://www.ashams.com/]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.ashams.com/live_stream.php?action=live]
|}

==See also==
*[[Media of Israel]]

==Notes==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100106175322/http://www.iba.org.il/reception/ Israel Broadcasting Authority - Reception Table]
* [https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/nation?ccode=il&count=100 Radio Locator - Israel Radio Stations]
{{Asia topic|List of radio stations in}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:List Of Radio Stations In Israel}}
[[Category:Lists of mass media in Israel|Radio stations]]
[[Category:Lists of radio stations by country|Israel]]
[[Category:Radio stations in Israel|*]]

List of radio stations in Israel

2020-06-20T22:20:03Z

Shuki: /* Beersheba area */ +wls

{{short description|Wikipedia list article}}
{{See also|:Category:Radio stations in Israel}}
This is a '''list of radio stations in [[Israel]]'''.

==Israel Public Broadcasting==

===FM===
[[FM broadcasting]] operated by Israeli stations:

====North and Upper Galilee====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''95.7 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''94.4 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|PBS
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''102.8 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|[[News]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''100.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''97.7 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''102.8 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Safed area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''98.5 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''92.0 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''88.1 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''99.3 FM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Haifa area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''100.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.5 FM'''

'''93.7 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''

'''103.7 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''105.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''92.4 FM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''99.5 FM'''
|HamEsh
|[http://www.995.co.il]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.995.co.il/popup-player]
|-
|'''107.5 FM'''
|Radio Haifa
|[http://www.1075.fm]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.1075.fm/נגן/]
|-
|'''96.0 FM'''
|Kol Rega
|[http://www.96fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.96fm.co.il/player/kolrega_player/index.html]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Oranim
|[https://www.oranim.ac.il/sites/heb/community/radio-oranim/course/pages/default.aspx]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.oranim.ac.il/sites/heb/main/banner-inner/radio-oranim/radio-live/radio-live.html]
|-
|'''105.3 FM'''
|Radio Kol HaGalil Haelion
|[http://www.1053fm.co]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.1053fm.co]
|-
|'''106.0FM'''
|Radio Kol Yizrael
|[http://www.radio106.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://onlineradiobox.com/il/kolyizrael/?cs=il.kolyizrael]
|-
|'''106.1 FM'''
|Radio Kol Galim
|[https://www.kol-galim.co.il]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kol-galim.co.il/]
|-
|}

====Beit She'an area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''88.9 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Jerusalem and its region====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''

'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|Oldies hits playlist
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''91.3 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.2 FM'''<ref>'''Reka''' 06:00–15:00, '''Reshet Hei''' 15:00-23:00</ref>
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''104.9 FM'''

'''105.1 FM''' /
'''105.3 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|[[Jazz]] / [[Adult contemporary music]] / [[Culture]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]

[https://kanlivep2event-i.akamaihd.net/hls/live/749634/749634/playlist.m3u8]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''97.8 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''90.3 FM'''

'''104.8 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-

|'''98.4 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-

|'''89.1 FM'''
|Pervoye Radio
|[http://www.891fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[http://www.891fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''105.7 FM'''

'''92.1 FM'''
|[[Kol BaRama]]
|[http://www.kol-barama.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://kol-barama.co.il/live/]
|-
|'''92.8 FM'''

'''93.0 FM'''
|[[Kol Chai]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/onair.html]
|-
|'''101.0 FM'''

|Radio Jerusalem
|[https://www.jerusalemnet.co.il/] [http://www.101fm.tapuz.co.il/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Sports]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://live1.co.il/jrs101fm/] [mms://212.150.243.29/101fm]
|-
|'''106.5 FM'''

'''94.0 FM''' /
'''89.3 FM'''
|[Galey Yisrael]
|[http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://raddio.net/82750-galey-israel/] [http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|-
|}

====Central Israel====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-

|'''94.4 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.2 FM'''

'''101.3 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|
'''104.8 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.7 FM'''

'''97.8 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''90.3 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''97.2 FM''' / '''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''90.0 FM'''
|Radio Tishim
|[https://www.90fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.90fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''91.0 FM'''
|Radio Lev HaMedina
|[https://91fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://91fm.co.il/video-translation/] [https://onlineradiobox.com/il/hamedina/?cs=il.hamedina&played=1]
|-
|'''92.1 FM'''
|[[Kol BaRama]]
|[http://www.kol-barama.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://kol-barama.co.il/live/]
|-
|'''92.8 FM'''

'''93.0 FM'''
|[[Kol Chai]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/onair.html]
|-
|'''99.0 FM'''
|Eco 99 FM
|[https://eco99fm.maariv.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://eco99fm.maariv.co.il/live-radio]
|-
|'''103.0 FM'''
|Radio Lelo Hafsaka
|[https://103fm.maariv.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://103fm.maariv.co.il/include/OnLineView.aspx]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Kol Ramat HaSharon
|[http://1036fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://1036fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Kol HaShfela
|[https://www.1036kh.com/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://live1.co.il/1036kh/]
|-
|'''106.2 FM'''
|IDC Radio
|[http://1062fm.co.il/en/#]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://1062fm.co.il/en/player]
|-
|'''106.5 FM'''

'''94.0 FM''' /
'''89.3 FM'''
|Galey Yisrael
|[http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://raddio.net/82750-galey-israel/] [http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|-

|}

====Beersheba area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.55 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|Best of everything
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''90.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''107.3 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''103.3 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''106.9 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''93.3 FM'''

'''94.4 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''95.8 FM'''

'''97.0 FM''' / '''101.5 FM'''
|Radio Darom
|[http://www.radiodarom.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.radiodarom.co.il/?p=7588]
|-
|'''104.0 FM'''
|[[Army Radio|Galei Tzahal]]
|[https://glz.co.il/%d7%92%d7%9c%d7%a6/]
|Army Radio Oldies/Talk
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://glz.co.il/גלצ] [http://player.gl.bynetcdn.com/Players/ByPlayer/EmbedPlayer/GLZ?ClipID=glz&type=live]
|-
|'''93.5 FM'''
|[[Galgalatz]]
|[https://glz.co.il/%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%A6]
|Army Radio Modern Music/News
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://glz.co.il/%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%A6] [http://player.gl.bynetcdn.com/Players/ByPlayer/EmbedPlayer/GLZ?ClipID=glglz&type=live]
|-
|}

====Negev and Northern Negev====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''104.1 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''

'''104.3 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Ha Arava====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''92.4 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.6 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Eilat====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''97.0 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''90.7 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''100.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''102.0 FM'''
|Kol HaYam HaAdom
|[https://www.fm102.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.fm102.co.il/LiveBroadcast]
|-
|}

===AM===
[[AM broadcasting|AM stations]] operated by the Israel Broadcasting Authority

====Galilee panhandle====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''882 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Galilee====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1206 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''738 kHz AM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|}

====Jerusalem area====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''774 kHz AM'''
|Radio Mevaser Tov
|[http://www.770tv.org/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.770tv.org/streaming/radio.html]
|-
|}

====Central area====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''531 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''657 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''1080 kHz AM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''531 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Eilat====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

== Commercial broadcasters ==

===Center===
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''100.0 FM'''
|Radius (Israeli radio station)|Radius
|[http://www.100fm.co.il/]
|Pop
|[[Hebrew]], English
|[http://www.100fm.co.il/Player_new/ind.html] [https://onlineradiobox.com/il/radius/?cs=il.radius&played=1]
|-
|'''102.0 FM'''
|Radio Tel Aviv
|[http://102fm.co.il/] [http://www.tapuz.co.il/minisites/102fm/]
| Popular Israeli and American hit songs
|[[Hebrew language|Hebrew]], English
|[http://102fm.co.il/] [http://face.mediacast.co.il/102fm/audio/]
|-
|}

===North and Upper Galilee===

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''98.1 FM'''

'''101.1 FM'''
|A-Shams
|[https://www.ashams.com/]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.ashams.com/live_stream.php?action=live]
|}

==See also==
*[[Media of Israel]]

==Notes==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100106175322/http://www.iba.org.il/reception/ Israel Broadcasting Authority - Reception Table]
* [https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/nation?ccode=il&count=100 Radio Locator - Israel Radio Stations]
{{Asia topic|List of radio stations in}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:List Of Radio Stations In Israel}}
[[Category:Lists of mass media in Israel|Radio stations]]
[[Category:Lists of radio stations by country|Israel]]
[[Category:Radio stations in Israel|*]]

List of radio stations in Israel

2020-06-20T22:16:53Z

Shuki: /* Central Israel */ +Galey Yisrael

{{short description|Wikipedia list article}}
{{See also|:Category:Radio stations in Israel}}
This is a '''list of radio stations in [[Israel]]'''.

==Israel Public Broadcasting==

===FM===
[[FM broadcasting]] operated by Israeli stations:

====North and Upper Galilee====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''95.7 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''94.4 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|PBS
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''102.8 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|[[News]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''100.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''97.7 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''102.8 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Safed area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''98.5 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''92.0 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''88.1 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''99.3 FM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Haifa area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''100.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.5 FM'''

'''93.7 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''

'''103.7 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''105.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''92.4 FM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''99.5 FM'''
|HamEsh
|[http://www.995.co.il]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.995.co.il/popup-player]
|-
|'''107.5 FM'''
|Radio Haifa
|[http://www.1075.fm]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.1075.fm/נגן/]
|-
|'''96.0 FM'''
|Kol Rega
|[http://www.96fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.96fm.co.il/player/kolrega_player/index.html]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Oranim
|[https://www.oranim.ac.il/sites/heb/community/radio-oranim/course/pages/default.aspx]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.oranim.ac.il/sites/heb/main/banner-inner/radio-oranim/radio-live/radio-live.html]
|-
|'''105.3 FM'''
|Radio Kol HaGalil Haelion
|[http://www.1053fm.co]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.1053fm.co]
|-
|'''106.0FM'''
|Radio Kol Yizrael
|[http://www.radio106.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://onlineradiobox.com/il/kolyizrael/?cs=il.kolyizrael]
|-
|'''106.1 FM'''
|Radio Kol Galim
|[https://www.kol-galim.co.il]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kol-galim.co.il/]
|-
|}

====Beit She'an area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''88.9 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Jerusalem and its region====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''

'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|Oldies hits playlist
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''91.3 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.2 FM'''<ref>'''Reka''' 06:00–15:00, '''Reshet Hei''' 15:00-23:00</ref>
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''104.9 FM'''

'''105.1 FM''' /
'''105.3 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|[[Jazz]] / [[Adult contemporary music]] / [[Culture]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]

[https://kanlivep2event-i.akamaihd.net/hls/live/749634/749634/playlist.m3u8]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''97.8 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''90.3 FM'''

'''104.8 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-

|'''98.4 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-

|'''89.1 FM'''
|Pervoye Radio
|[http://www.891fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[http://www.891fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''105.7 FM'''

'''92.1 FM'''
|[[Kol BaRama]]
|[http://www.kol-barama.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://kol-barama.co.il/live/]
|-
|'''92.8 FM'''

'''93.0 FM'''
|[[Kol Chai]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/onair.html]
|-
|'''101.0 FM'''

|Radio Jerusalem
|[https://www.jerusalemnet.co.il/] [http://www.101fm.tapuz.co.il/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Sports]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://live1.co.il/jrs101fm/] [mms://212.150.243.29/101fm]
|-
|'''106.5 FM'''

'''94.0 FM''' /
'''89.3 FM'''
|[Galey Yisrael]
|[http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://raddio.net/82750-galey-israel/] [http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|-
|}

====Central Israel====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-

|'''94.4 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.2 FM'''

'''101.3 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|
'''104.8 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.7 FM'''

'''97.8 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''90.3 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''97.2 FM''' / '''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''90.0 FM'''
|Radio Tishim
|[https://www.90fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.90fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''91.0 FM'''
|Radio Lev HaMedina
|[https://91fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://91fm.co.il/video-translation/] [https://onlineradiobox.com/il/hamedina/?cs=il.hamedina&played=1]
|-
|'''92.1 FM'''
|[[Kol BaRama]]
|[http://www.kol-barama.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://kol-barama.co.il/live/]
|-
|'''92.8 FM'''

'''93.0 FM'''
|[[Kol Chai]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/onair.html]
|-
|'''99.0 FM'''
|Eco 99 FM
|[https://eco99fm.maariv.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://eco99fm.maariv.co.il/live-radio]
|-
|'''103.0 FM'''
|Radio Lelo Hafsaka
|[https://103fm.maariv.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://103fm.maariv.co.il/include/OnLineView.aspx]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Kol Ramat HaSharon
|[http://1036fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://1036fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Kol HaShfela
|[https://www.1036kh.com/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://live1.co.il/1036kh/]
|-
|'''106.2 FM'''
|IDC Radio
|[http://1062fm.co.il/en/#]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://1062fm.co.il/en/player]
|-
|'''106.5 FM'''

'''94.0 FM''' /
'''89.3 FM'''
|Galey Yisrael
|[http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://raddio.net/82750-galey-israel/] [http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|-

|}

====Beersheba area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.55 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|Best of everything
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''90.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''107.3 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''103.3 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''106.9 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''93.3 FM'''

'''94.4 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''95.8 FM'''

'''97.0 FM''' / '''101.5 FM'''
|Radio Darom
|[http://www.radiodarom.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.radiodarom.co.il/?p=7588]
|-
|'''104.0 FM'''
|Galatz
|[https://glz.co.il/%d7%92%d7%9c%d7%a6/]
|Army Radio Oldies/Talk
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://glz.co.il/גלצ] [http://player.gl.bynetcdn.com/Players/ByPlayer/EmbedPlayer/GLZ?ClipID=glz&type=live]
|-
|'''93.5 FM'''
|Galgalatz
|[https://glz.co.il/%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%A6]
|Army Radio Modern Music/News
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://glz.co.il/%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%A6] [http://player.gl.bynetcdn.com/Players/ByPlayer/EmbedPlayer/GLZ?ClipID=glglz&type=live]
|-
|}

====Negev and Northern Negev====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''104.1 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''

'''104.3 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Ha Arava====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''92.4 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.6 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Eilat====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''97.0 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''90.7 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''100.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''102.0 FM'''
|Kol HaYam HaAdom
|[https://www.fm102.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.fm102.co.il/LiveBroadcast]
|-
|}

===AM===
[[AM broadcasting|AM stations]] operated by the Israel Broadcasting Authority

====Galilee panhandle====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''882 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Galilee====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1206 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''738 kHz AM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|}

====Jerusalem area====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''774 kHz AM'''
|Radio Mevaser Tov
|[http://www.770tv.org/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.770tv.org/streaming/radio.html]
|-
|}

====Central area====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''531 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''657 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''1080 kHz AM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''531 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Eilat====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

== Commercial broadcasters ==

===Center===
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''100.0 FM'''
|Radius (Israeli radio station)|Radius
|[http://www.100fm.co.il/]
|Pop
|[[Hebrew]], English
|[http://www.100fm.co.il/Player_new/ind.html] [https://onlineradiobox.com/il/radius/?cs=il.radius&played=1]
|-
|'''102.0 FM'''
|Radio Tel Aviv
|[http://102fm.co.il/] [http://www.tapuz.co.il/minisites/102fm/]
| Popular Israeli and American hit songs
|[[Hebrew language|Hebrew]], English
|[http://102fm.co.il/] [http://face.mediacast.co.il/102fm/audio/]
|-
|}

===North and Upper Galilee===

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''98.1 FM'''

'''101.1 FM'''
|A-Shams
|[https://www.ashams.com/]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.ashams.com/live_stream.php?action=live]
|}

==See also==
*[[Media of Israel]]

==Notes==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100106175322/http://www.iba.org.il/reception/ Israel Broadcasting Authority - Reception Table]
* [https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/nation?ccode=il&count=100 Radio Locator - Israel Radio Stations]
{{Asia topic|List of radio stations in}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:List Of Radio Stations In Israel}}
[[Category:Lists of mass media in Israel|Radio stations]]
[[Category:Lists of radio stations by country|Israel]]
[[Category:Radio stations in Israel|*]]

List of radio stations in Israel

2020-06-20T22:15:53Z

Shuki: /* Jerusalem and its region */ wl

{{short description|Wikipedia list article}}
{{See also|:Category:Radio stations in Israel}}
This is a '''list of radio stations in [[Israel]]'''.

==Israel Public Broadcasting==

===FM===
[[FM broadcasting]] operated by Israeli stations:

====North and Upper Galilee====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''95.7 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''94.4 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|PBS
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''102.8 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|[[News]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''100.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''97.7 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''102.8 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Safed area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''98.5 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''92.0 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''88.1 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''99.3 FM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Haifa area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''100.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.5 FM'''

'''93.7 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''

'''103.7 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''105.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''92.4 FM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''99.5 FM'''
|HamEsh
|[http://www.995.co.il]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.995.co.il/popup-player]
|-
|'''107.5 FM'''
|Radio Haifa
|[http://www.1075.fm]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.1075.fm/נגן/]
|-
|'''96.0 FM'''
|Kol Rega
|[http://www.96fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.96fm.co.il/player/kolrega_player/index.html]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Oranim
|[https://www.oranim.ac.il/sites/heb/community/radio-oranim/course/pages/default.aspx]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.oranim.ac.il/sites/heb/main/banner-inner/radio-oranim/radio-live/radio-live.html]
|-
|'''105.3 FM'''
|Radio Kol HaGalil Haelion
|[http://www.1053fm.co]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.1053fm.co]
|-
|'''106.0FM'''
|Radio Kol Yizrael
|[http://www.radio106.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://onlineradiobox.com/il/kolyizrael/?cs=il.kolyizrael]
|-
|'''106.1 FM'''
|Radio Kol Galim
|[https://www.kol-galim.co.il]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kol-galim.co.il/]
|-
|}

====Beit She'an area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''97.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''88.9 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Jerusalem and its region====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''

'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|Oldies hits playlist
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''91.3 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.2 FM'''<ref>'''Reka''' 06:00–15:00, '''Reshet Hei''' 15:00-23:00</ref>
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''104.9 FM'''

'''105.1 FM''' /
'''105.3 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|[[Jazz]] / [[Adult contemporary music]] / [[Culture]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]

[https://kanlivep2event-i.akamaihd.net/hls/live/749634/749634/playlist.m3u8]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''97.8 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''90.3 FM'''

'''104.8 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-

|'''98.4 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-

|'''89.1 FM'''
|Pervoye Radio
|[http://www.891fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[http://www.891fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''105.7 FM'''

'''92.1 FM'''
|[[Kol BaRama]]
|[http://www.kol-barama.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://kol-barama.co.il/live/]
|-
|'''92.8 FM'''

'''93.0 FM'''
|[[Kol Chai]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/onair.html]
|-
|'''101.0 FM'''

|Radio Jerusalem
|[https://www.jerusalemnet.co.il/] [http://www.101fm.tapuz.co.il/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Sports]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://live1.co.il/jrs101fm/] [mms://212.150.243.29/101fm]
|-
|'''106.5 FM'''

'''94.0 FM''' /
'''89.3 FM'''
|[Galey Yisrael]
|[http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|[[News]] / [[Music]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://raddio.net/82750-galey-israel/] [http://www.srugim.co.il/galeyisrael/]
|-
|}

====Central Israel====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.0 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|[[Jazz]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-

|'''94.4 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''88.2 FM'''

'''101.3 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|
'''104.8 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''95.5 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.7 FM'''

'''97.8 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''90.3 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''97.2 FM''' / '''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''90.0 FM'''
|Radio Tishim
|[https://www.90fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.90fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''91.0 FM'''
|Radio Lev HaMedina
|[https://91fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://91fm.co.il/video-translation/] [https://onlineradiobox.com/il/hamedina/?cs=il.hamedina&played=1]
|-
|'''92.1 FM'''
|[[Kol BaRama]]
|[http://www.kol-barama.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://kol-barama.co.il/live/]
|-
|'''92.8 FM'''

'''93.0 FM'''
|[[Kol Chai]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/]
|[[Haredi]] / [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.93fm.co.il/onair.html]
|-
|'''99.0 FM'''
|Eco 99 FM
|[https://eco99fm.maariv.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://eco99fm.maariv.co.il/live-radio]
|-
|'''103.0 FM'''
|Radio Lelo Hafsaka
|[https://103fm.maariv.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://103fm.maariv.co.il/include/OnLineView.aspx]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Kol Ramat HaSharon
|[http://1036fm.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://1036fm.co.il/]
|-
|'''103.6 FM'''
|Radio Kol HaShfela
|[https://www.1036kh.com/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://live1.co.il/1036kh/]
|-
|'''106.2 FM'''
|IDC Radio
|[http://1062fm.co.il/en/#]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://1062fm.co.il/en/player]
|-
|}

====Beersheba area====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''88.55 FM'''
|Kan 88
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=4]
|Best of everything
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=4]
|-
|'''90.2 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''107.3 FM'''
|Kan Reka
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=10]
|
|[[Russian language|Russian]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=10]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''103.3 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''106.9 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''93.3 FM'''

'''94.4 FM'''
|Makan (Arabic)
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''100.7 FM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|'''95.8 FM'''

'''97.0 FM''' / '''101.5 FM'''
|Radio Darom
|[http://www.radiodarom.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.radiodarom.co.il/?p=7588]
|-
|'''104.0 FM'''
|Galatz
|[https://glz.co.il/%d7%92%d7%9c%d7%a6/]
|Army Radio Oldies/Talk
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://glz.co.il/גלצ] [http://player.gl.bynetcdn.com/Players/ByPlayer/EmbedPlayer/GLZ?ClipID=glz&type=live]
|-
|'''93.5 FM'''
|Galgalatz
|[https://glz.co.il/%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%A6]
|Army Radio Modern Music/News
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://glz.co.il/%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%A6] [http://player.gl.bynetcdn.com/Players/ByPlayer/EmbedPlayer/GLZ?ClipID=glglz&type=live]
|-
|}

====Negev and Northern Negev====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''87.6 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.0 FM'''

'''104.1 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''

'''104.3 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Ha Arava====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''92.4 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''95.6 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''89.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|}

====Eilat====

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''97.0 FM'''
|Kan Kol Hamusica
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=7]
|[[Classical music|Classical]]
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=7]
|-
|'''90.7 FM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''100.5 FM'''
|Kan Gimmel
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=9]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=9]
|-
|'''102.0 FM'''
|Kol HaYam HaAdom
|[https://www.fm102.co.il/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.fm102.co.il/LiveBroadcast]
|-
|}

===AM===
[[AM broadcasting|AM stations]] operated by the Israel Broadcasting Authority

====Galilee panhandle====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''882 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Galilee====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1206 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''738 kHz AM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|}

====Jerusalem area====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''774 kHz AM'''
|Radio Mevaser Tov
|[http://www.770tv.org/]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[http://www.770tv.org/streaming/radio.html]
|-
|}

====Central area====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''531 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''657 kHz AM'''
|Kan Bet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=3]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=3]
|-
|'''1080 kHz AM'''
|Makan
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.makan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=2]
|-
|'''531 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

====Eilat====
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Tarbut
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=5]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=5]
|-
|'''1458 kHz AM'''
|Kan Moreshet
|[https://www.kan.org.il/live/radio.aspx?stationid=6]
|
|[[Hebrew]]
|[https://www.kan.org.il/radio/player.aspx?stationId=6]
|-
|}

== Commercial broadcasters ==

===Center===
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''100.0 FM'''
|Radius (Israeli radio station)|Radius
|[http://www.100fm.co.il/]
|Pop
|[[Hebrew]], English
|[http://www.100fm.co.il/Player_new/ind.html] [https://onlineradiobox.com/il/radius/?cs=il.radius&played=1]
|-
|'''102.0 FM'''
|Radio Tel Aviv
|[http://102fm.co.il/] [http://www.tapuz.co.il/minisites/102fm/]
| Popular Israeli and American hit songs
|[[Hebrew language|Hebrew]], English
|[http://102fm.co.il/] [http://face.mediacast.co.il/102fm/audio/]
|-
|}

===North and Upper Galilee===

{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Frequency
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Name
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Website
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Format
!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Language
|!colspan=1 bgcolor="#CCCCCC"|Live Stream
|-
|'''98.1 FM'''

'''101.1 FM'''
|A-Shams
|[https://www.ashams.com/]
|
|[[Arabic]]
|[https://www.ashams.com/live_stream.php?action=live]
|}

==See also==
*[[Media of Israel]]

==Notes==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100106175322/http://www.iba.org.il/reception/ Israel Broadcasting Authority - Reception Table]
* [https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/nation?ccode=il&count=100 Radio Locator - Israel Radio Stations]
{{Asia topic|List of radio stations in}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:List Of Radio Stations In Israel}}
[[Category:Lists of mass media in Israel|Radio stations]]
[[Category:Lists of radio stations by country|Israel]]
[[Category:Radio stations in Israel|*]]

Kalman Liebskind

2020-06-20T22:07:57Z

Shuki: +ex-link

[[image:קלמן ליבסקינד (cropped).jpg|230px|thumb|Kalman Liebskind ]]

'''Kalman Liebskind''' (Heb: '''קלמן ליבסקינד'''; born on 1970) is an Israeli [[journalist]].

== Biography ==
Liebskind was born in [[Nir Galim]] and studied at the [[Yeshivat Or Etzion]]. He was drafted into the [[Intelligence Corps (Israel)|Intelligence Corps]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces]] and upon discharge, worked as a [[private investigator]]. In 1997, he was one of the founding journalists at [[Makor Rishon]] and worked as an [[Investigative journalism|investigative reporter]]. In 2000, he began working at [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]].

Liebskind has published several high-profile exposés:
* In 1999, he exposed [[Ehud Barak]]'s non-profit organizations that funded Barak's elections' campaign, in violation of Israel's political parties funding law.
* In 2008, he exposed that [[general]] [[Yoav Galant]] has taken over public lands in [[Moshav]] [[Amikam]]. This exposure led eventually to the cancellation of Galant's appointment as [[Chief of General Staff (Israel)|Chief of General Staff]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces|IDF]].

Liebskind has won several awards and honors:
* Media Criticism Award (2002) - פרס ביקורת התקשורת
* Ometz Award (2007) - אות אומ"ץ
* [[Movement for Quality Government in Israel|Knight of Quality Government Award]] (2009) - אות אביר איכות השלטון

In recent years, Liebskind has published a weekly column in [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]]'s "Mosafshabat" which deals with weekly political and current affairs. <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nrg.co.il/app/index.php?do=blog&encr_id=79974780b5e0d394fddbd1a00f4f21d3&id=1216|title= צה"ל, הנאצים ו"הארץ"|last=Liebskind|first=Kalman|date=7 August 2010|publisher=NRG Maariv|language=Hebrew|accessdate=20 December 2011}}</ref>

Liebskind is married with five children. <ref name="The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech">{{cite news |last= Veistokh |first= Moshe |date= 19 June 2020|title= לשמאל יש בעיה קשה עם חופש הביטוי|trans-title= The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech |url= http://www.shvii.co.il|language= Hebrew |work= |location= |access-date= 19 June 2020 |edition= 398}} </ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

== External links ==
* [https://www.maariv.co.il/Kalman-Liebskind/ExpertAuthor-38 Personal page at Maariv]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Liebskind, Kalman}}
[[Category:1970 births]]
[[Category:Living people]]
[[Category:Israeli Jews]]
[[Category:Israeli journalists]]
[[Category:Maariv (newspaper) people]]

{{Israel-journalist-stub}}

Kalman Liebskind

2020-06-20T22:06:50Z

Shuki: proper sp. per newspaper profile

[[image:קלמן ליבסקינד (cropped).jpg|230px|thumb|Kalman Liebskind ]]

'''Kalman Liebskind''' (Heb: '''קלמן ליבסקינד'''; born on 1970) is an Israeli [[journalist]].

== Biography ==
Liebskind was born in [[Nir Galim]] and studied at the [[Yeshivat Or Etzion]]. He was drafted into the [[Intelligence Corps (Israel)|Intelligence Corps]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces]] and upon discharge, worked as a [[private investigator]]. In 1997, he was one of the founding journalists at [[Makor Rishon]] and worked as an [[Investigative journalism|investigative reporter]]. In 2000, he began working at [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]].

Liebskind has published several high-profile exposés:
* In 1999, he exposed [[Ehud Barak]]'s non-profit organizations that funded Barak's elections' campaign, in violation of Israel's political parties funding law.
* In 2008, he exposed that [[general]] [[Yoav Galant]] has taken over public lands in [[Moshav]] [[Amikam]]. This exposure led eventually to the cancellation of Galant's appointment as [[Chief of General Staff (Israel)|Chief of General Staff]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces|IDF]].

Liebskind has won several awards and honors:
* Media Criticism Award (2002) - פרס ביקורת התקשורת
* Ometz Award (2007) - אות אומ"ץ
* [[Movement for Quality Government in Israel|Knight of Quality Government Award]] (2009) - אות אביר איכות השלטון

In recent years, Liebskind has published a weekly column in [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]]'s "Mosafshabat" which deals with weekly political and current affairs. <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nrg.co.il/app/index.php?do=blog&encr_id=79974780b5e0d394fddbd1a00f4f21d3&id=1216|title= צה"ל, הנאצים ו"הארץ"|last=Liebskind|first=Kalman|date=7 August 2010|publisher=NRG Maariv|language=Hebrew|accessdate=20 December 2011}}</ref>

Liebskind is married with five children. <ref name="The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech">{{cite news |last= Veistokh |first= Moshe |date= 19 June 2020|title= לשמאל יש בעיה קשה עם חופש הביטוי|trans-title= The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech |url= http://www.shvii.co.il|language= Hebrew |work= |location= |access-date= 19 June 2020 |edition= 398}} </ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

== External links ==

{{DEFAULTSORT:Liebskind, Kalman}}
[[Category:1970 births]]
[[Category:Living people]]
[[Category:Israeli Jews]]
[[Category:Israeli journalists]]
[[Category:Maariv (newspaper) people]]

{{Israel-journalist-stub}}

Kalman Liebskind

2020-06-20T22:03:35Z

Shuki: +source

[[image:קלמן ליבסקינד (cropped).jpg|230px|thumb|Kalman Libeskind]]

'''Kalman Libeskind''' (Heb: '''קלמן ליבסקינד'''; born on 1970) is an Israeli [[journalist]].

== Biography ==
Libeskind was born in [[Nir Galim]] and studied at the [[Yeshivat Or Etzion]]. He was drafted into the [[Intelligence Corps (Israel)|Intelligence Corps]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces]] and upon discharge, worked as a [[private investigator]]. In 1997, he was one of the founding journalists at [[Makor Rishon]] and worked as an [[Investigative journalism|investigative reporter]]. In 2000, he began working at [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]].

Libeskind has published several high-profile exposés:
* In 1999, he exposed [[Ehud Barak]]'s non-profit organizations that funded Barak's elections' campaign, in violation of Israel's political parties funding law.
* In 2008, he exposed that [[general]] [[Yoav Galant]] has taken over public lands in [[Moshav]] [[Amikam]]. This exposure led eventually to the cancellation of Galant's appointment as [[Chief of General Staff (Israel)|Chief of General Staff]] of the [[Israel Defense Forces|IDF]].

Libeskind has won several awards and honors:
* Media Criticism Award (2002) - פרס ביקורת התקשורת
* Ometz Award (2007) - אות אומ"ץ
* [[Movement for Quality Government in Israel|Knight of Quality Government Award]] (2009) - אות אביר איכות השלטון

In recent years, Liebskind has published a weekly column in [[Maariv (newspaper)|Maariv]]'s "Mosafshabat" which deals with weekly political and current affairs. <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nrg.co.il/app/index.php?do=blog&encr_id=79974780b5e0d394fddbd1a00f4f21d3&id=1216|title= צה"ל, הנאצים ו"הארץ"|last=Liebskind|first=Kalman|date=7 August 2010|publisher=NRG Maariv|language=Hebrew|accessdate=20 December 2011}}</ref>

Libeskind is married with five children. <ref name="The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech">{{cite news |last= Veistokh |first= Moshe |date= 19 June 2020|title= לשמאל יש בעיה קשה עם חופש הביטוי|trans-title= The Left has a Serious Problem with Freedom of Speech |url= http://www.shvii.co.il|language= Hebrew |work= |location= |access-date= 19 June 2020 |edition= 398}} </ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

== External links ==

{{DEFAULTSORT:Liebskind, Kalman}}
[[Category:1970 births]]
[[Category:Living people]]
[[Category:Israeli Jews]]
[[Category:Israeli journalists]]
[[Category:Maariv (newspaper) people]]

{{Israel-journalist-stub}}

Michael Ben-Ari

2017-08-01T23:44:26Z

Shuki: +external links

{{Infobox member of the Knesset
|image = Michael Ben Ari.jpg
|caption = Ben-Ari in June 2009
|birth_date = {{Birth date and age|1963|10|12|df=y}}
|birth_place =
|Year of Aliyah =
|death_date =
|death_place =
|Knesset(s) = [[Israeli legislative election, 2009|18]]
|party1 = [[National Union (Israel)|National Union]]
|partyyears1 = 2009–2012
|party2 = [[Otzma LeYisrael]]
|partyyears2 = 2012–2013
|}}

'''Michael Ben-Ari''' ({{lang-he|מיכאל בן ארי}}, born 12 October 1963) is an [[Israel]]i politician, and former member of the [[Knesset]]. During the [[Israeli legislative election, 2009|18th Knesset]], Ben Ari was a member of the [[National Union (Israel)|National Union]] party, until it broke up as elections for the 19th Knesset approached and he co-established the [[Otzma LeYisrael]] party. He failed to be re-elected to the 19th Knesset. He was the first outspoken disciple of Rabbi [[Meir Kahane]] to have been elected to the Knesset.<ref name=first>{{cite news |url=http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/853/112.html |title=The 18th Knesset presents: an MK originally from Kach |language=Hebrew |date=14 February 2009}}</ref> He has a [[Doctor of Philosophy|Ph.D]] in [[Land of Israel]] and [[Archaeology]] studies.<ref>{{cite web | title=The Martin (Szusz) Department of Land of Israel Studies and Archaeology - Doctorate Graduates| url=http://www.biu.ac.il/Academics/phd_heb/tashass/Landof.htm | publisher= [[Bar-Ilan University]] |accessdate=13 June 2009 |language=Hebrew}}</ref>

==Early life==
Ben-Ari grew up in the [[Kfar Shalem]] neighbourhood in south [[Tel Aviv]], born to [[Mizrahi Jew]]ish parents from [[Iran]] and [[Afghanistan]]. He studied at the Bnei Akiva [[yeshiva]] at [[Kfar Haroeh]], at the [[hesder]] yeshiva in [[Yamit]], and at the [[Mercaz HaRav]] yeshiva. As part of his hesder army service, he was with the [[Nahal settlement]] at [[Neve Dekalim]] from 1982 to 1986.<ref name=Knesseth>{{cite web|title=Knesseth profile of Michael Ben--Ari|url=http://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/heb/mk_print.asp?mk_individual_id_t=841|publisher=[[Knesset]]|accessdate=25 October 2010 |language=Hebrew}}</ref> He studied education at [[Bar-Ilan University]], gaining a BA, before studying the [[Talmud]] for a Master's degree, and the Land of Israel for a PhD. He was a rabbi teacher at the Darchei No'am Yeshiva in [[Petach Tikva]] as well as the Bnei Akiva Yeshiva in [[Giv'at Shmuel]].<ref name=website>{{cite web|title=Biography |url=http://www.mbenari.co.il/BRPortal/br/P102.jsp?arc=10613 |publisher=personal website |accessdate=9 June 2009 |language=Hebrew |deadurl=yes |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20100314074849/http://www.mbenari.co.il/BRPortal/br/P102.jsp?arc=10613 |archivedate=14 March 2010 |df= }}</ref>

==Political career==
Previously a member of the banned [[Kach and Kahane Chai|Kach]] party, Ben-Ari still views himself as [[Meir Kahane]]'s follower.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3665336,00.html |title=Number 4 in the National Union: Everyone Understand that Kahane was Right |publisher=Yedioth Ahronoth |language=hebrew |date=2 February 2009}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/863/684.html |title=הח"כ "הכהניסט" התלונן על אריה גולן: הוא קטע |website=Nrg.co.il |accessdate=2017-07-21}}</ref> He ran with the [[Herut - The National Movement]] party in the [[Israeli legislative election, 2003|2003 elections]],<ref>{{cite web|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20070712143349/http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Modern%20History/Historic%20Events/Candidates%20for%20the%2016th%20Knesset |title=Candidates for the 16th Knesset |website=Web.archive.org |date= |accessdate=2017-07-21}}</ref> and for the 2006 elections, he ran with the [[Jewish National Front]] party,<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.knesset.gov.il/elections17/eng/list/list_eng.asp?id=49 |title=List of Candidates : Jewish National Front |website=Knesset.gov.il |accessdate=2017-07-21}}</ref> but both times failed to be elected since the parties did not pass the threshold. Leading up to the [[Israeli legislative election, 2009|2009 elections]], the Jewish National Front joined a new party called [[Eretz Yisrael Shelanu]]. That new alliance then joined the National Union, and Ben-Ari was placed fourth on the combined list for the elections. He entered the Knesset as the party won four seats. Once elected, he appointed [[Hebron]] residents and Kahanists [[Baruch Marzel]] and [[Itamar Ben-Gvir]] as his aides in the Knesset.

In 2009, in an open letter to Israeli leaders and politicians, Ben-Ari stated that [[Pope Benedict XVI]]'s visit to Israel would be an insult to the memory of Holocaust victims.<ref>[http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1083196.html|title=Far-rightist ]{{dead link|date=July 2017}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | first=Hillel |last=Fendel| title=Protest Letter: 'Israel Going Too Far for Pope' |url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131127 |publisher=[[Israel National News]] | date=30 April 2009 | accessdate=3 June 2009}}</ref>

Unlike his teacher, Rabbi Meir Kahane, who was marginalized and isolated as a member of Knesset, Ben Ari has succeeded in integrating himself into Israel's political arena. According to [[Uri Avnery]] his extremist perorations are listened to with 'rapt attention' by most factions in the Knesset.<ref>{{cite web|last=Avnery |first=Uri |url=http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/76477 |title=Home / Headlines / A Parliamentary Mob - Media Monitors Network (MMN) |website=Usa.mediamonitors.net |date=2010-07-17 |accessdate=2017-07-21}}</ref>

Ben-Ari's November 2009 [[United States]] visa application was denied on the grounds of his arrest during anti-[[Israel's unilateral disengagement plan|disengagement]] protests in 2005<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134322 |title=U.S. Denies Visa to MK Ben-Ari |publisher=[[Israel National News]] |date= |accessdate=2017-07-21}}</ref> and his support for Kahanist ideology.<ref>{{cite web|author= |url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110721201523/https://www.5tjt.com/featured-news/7746-in-the-knesset |title=In The Knesset |website=Web.archive.org |date=2011-03-14 |accessdate=2017-07-21}}</ref>

Ben-Ari opened his external Member of Knesset office in the south Tel Aviv neighborhood in which he grew up. Throughout the 18th Knesset session, he struggled to bring attention to the growing number of Sudanese whom he blamed for increasing crime rates and causing other problems for local residents. In June 2011, to draw attention to what he saw as the growing illegal alien problem, he bused 40 Sudanese nationals to a prestigious pool in northern Tel Aviv, provided them with new bathing suits and paid for their entrance.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144903#.UHtbJW_Mi4E |title=MK Ben Ari Brings Sudanese to Posh Pool |newspaper=Israel National News |accessdate=15 October 2012}}</ref>

Ben-Ari's 2012 visa application to attend a conference in D.C. was denied on the State Department's "prerogative to ban terrorists from entering the country." <ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-delegation-cannot-travel-to-u-s-after-mk-ben-ari-denied-entry-visa-1.418047 |title=Israeli delegation cannot travel to U.S after MK Ben Ari denied entry visa |newspaper=Haaretz |date=12 March 2012 |first=Jonathan |last=Lis}}</ref>

In July 2012, all Members of Knesset were sent a copy of the [[New Testament]] by a [[missionary]] organization. Ben Ari called it provocative, and subsequently tore his copy, referring to it as a despicable book responsible for the murder of millions of Jews, and which should, including the senders, be put in "history's trash can".<ref name="toreupnt">{{cite news|url=http://www.theaustralian.com.au//news/breaking-news/mp-tears-up-copy-of-new-testament/story-fn3dxix6-1226428642613 |title=MP Tears Up Copy of New Testament |newspaper=[[The Australian]] |date= |accessdate=2017-07-21}}</ref><ref name="toreupnt2">{{cite web|last=Jeffay |first=Nathan |url=http://blogs.forward.com/the-shmooze/159438/israeli-lawmaker-destroys-new-testament/ |title=Israeli Lawmaker Destroys New Testament – The Forward |website=Blogs.forward.com |date=2012-07-17 |accessdate=2017-07-21}}</ref>

In November 2012 Ben-Ari and [[Aryeh Eldad]] left the National Union to establish [[Otzma LeYisrael]]. Ben-Ari and Eldad publicly burned [[Palestinian flag]]s in response to the passage of [[United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19]].<ref name="burnflag">{{cite web|url=http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=293859 |title=Settlers: Annex Area C in response to PA's UN bid - Diplomacy & Politics |website=Jpost.com |date=2012-11-29 |accessdate=2017-07-21}}</ref> The party failed to cross the 2% threshold in the [[Israeli legislative election, 2013|2013 elections]] and Eldad subsequently lost his Knesset seat.

==Political arguments==
In March 2010, in response to [[David Miliband]]'s statement that the Israeli cloning of British passports is "intolerable", Aryeh Eldad commented: "I think the British are being hypocritical, and I do not wish to insult dogs here, since some dogs show true loyalty, [but] who gave the British the right to judge us on the war on terror?" The canine theme was taken up by Ben-Ari, who said: "Dogs are usually loyal, the British may be dogs, but they are not loyal to us. They seem to be loyal to the anti-Semitic establishment".<ref name="telegraph">{{cite news |last1=Prince|first1=Rosa |last2=Massie-Blomfield|first2=Adrian|url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7506064/David-Miliband-Israeli-cloning-of-British-passports-was-intolerable.html|title=Israeli Cloning of British Passports Intolerable|work= |location= |publisher=''[[The Daily Telegraph]]''|date=23 March 2010|accessdate= }}</ref>

Ben-Ari argues that most [[Israeli Arabs|Arabs]] should be expelled from Israel.<ref name="haaretz">{{cite news |last=Schechter|first=Asher|url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/israeli-elections-2013/whos-who/michael-ben-ari-bugbear-of-the-left.premium-1.493375|title=Michael Ben Ari, Bugbear of the Left|work= |location= |publisher=''[[Haaretz]]''|date=11 January 2013|accessdate=12 October 2015}}</ref>

In September 2010, according to Ghassam Khatib, he is said to have reacted to a remark noting that for every Israeli killed, six Palestinians had died, by remarking: "For every one dead on our side, we need to kill 500 and not six."{{Citation needed|date=July 2017}}

In May 2011, he equated 'leftists' with [[Hezbollah]] and [[Hamas]], calling them "germs" and "enemies of Israel".<ref name="ynetnews">{{cite news |last1=Sofer|first1=Roni|last2=Altman|first2=Yair|url=http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-4009642,00.html|title=MK Ben-Ari: Eradicate treacherous leftists|work= |location= |publisher=''[[Ynetnews]]''|date=1 May 2011|accessdate= }}</ref>

In November 2012, during [[Operation Pillar of Defense]], he said: "There are no innocents in Gaza, don't let any diplomats who want to look good in the world endanger your lives -- mow them down!<ref name="huffingtonpost">{{cite news |last=Mastracci|first=Davide|url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/davide-mastracci/israel-gaza-quotes_b_2162796.html|title=5 Israeli Quotes on the Gaza Conflict You'll Wish Were False|work= |location= |publisher=''[[The Huffington Post]]''|date=20 November 2012|accessdate=19 October 2015}}</ref><ref name="isreview">{{cite news |last=Ruder|first=Eric|url=http://isreview.org/issue/95/israels-war-gaza-and-prospects-palestinian-liberation|title=Israel’s war on Gaza and the prospects for Palestinian liberation|issue=95|work= |location= |publisher=''International Socialist Review''|date=Winter 2014|accessdate=19 October 2015}}</ref>... kill the Gazans without thought or mercy."<ref name="brisbanetimes">{{cite news |last=Parke|first=Melissa|url=http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/bds-a-legitimate-means-of-advancing-peace-efforts-20141113-11lomz.html|title=BDS a legitimate means of advancing peace efforts|work= |location= |publisher=''[[Brisbane Times]]''|date=13 November 2014|accessdate=12 October 2015}}</ref><ref name="theage">{{cite news |last=Parke|first=Melissa|url=http://www.theage.com.au/comment/bds-a-legitimate-means-of-advancing-peace-efforts-20141113-11lomz.html|title=BDS a legitimate means of advancing peace efforts|work= |location= |publisher=''[[The Age]]''|date=14 November 2014|accessdate=19 October 2015}}</ref><ref name="rt">{{cite news |last= |first= |url=https://www.rt.com/news/israel-gaza-hamas-war-103/?|title=Bloodlust in Israel: 'Flatten Gaza, send it back to Middle Ages, they need to die!'|work= |location= |publisher=''Russia Today''|date=19 November 2012|accessdate=19 October 2015}}</ref> During a protest demanding the government escalate the assault on Gaza, he repeated "Let the [[Israel Defense Forces|IDF]] kick ass!", before complaining, "Why is it that after 200 assaults only 15 were killed? It should be 15 assaults and 2,000 killed!"<ref name="haaretz"/>

In July 2014, during [[2014 Israel–Gaza conflict|Operation Protective Edge]], he was cited as having argued that: "Those who pity their enemies end up being cruel to their own people. Those who are cruel to their enemies truly love their own people."<ref name="al-monitor">{{cite news |last=Mualem|first=Mazal|url=http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/incitements-protective-edge-ben-ari-danon-regev-galon.html|title='Intolerance becoming all too common in Israel,'|work= |location= |publisher=''[[Al-Monitor]]''|date=14 July 2014|accessdate= }}</ref>

==Arrest==
On 1 June 2009, Ben-Ari was handcuffed and arrested after being involved in an incident near [[Yitzhar]] in the [[West Bank]], and despite his [[parliamentary immunity]] as Member of Knesset. He climbed onto an army truck and refused to get off, demanding that the [[Israel Border Police]] and [[Israel Defense Forces]] soldiers explain to him why they had arrested and handcuffed [[Minor (law)|minors]] at a roadblocking protest.<ref>{{cite web | author= Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu| title=MK Ben-Ari Hospitalized after Police Kick Him at Protest | url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131651 | publisher=[[Israel National News]] | date=1 June 2009 | accessdate=3 June 2009}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-3724617,00.html |script-title=he:גורם צבאי: ח"כ בן ארי ביקש ליצור פרובוקציה |language=Hebrew |publisher=YNet |date=1 June 2009}}</ref> Knesset speaker [[Reuven Rivlin]] called the [[police commissioner]] and clarified that the police has no authority to arrest an MK without his approval.<ref>[http://news.il.msn.com/israel/article.aspx?cp-documentid=147701996]{{dead link|date=July 2012}}</ref> [[Yitzhak Aharonovich]], the [[Internal Security Minister of Israel|Internal Security Minister]], justified the arrest, despite Ben Ari's parliamentary immunity, saying that he will not let MKs violate the law.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-3724872,00.html |title=The minister against disturbances in the West Bank, we will consider MKs immunity |language=Hebrew |publisher=YNet.co.il |date=2 June 2009|accessdate=2017-07-21}}</ref> Ben-Ari's response was to suggest that Aharonovich first verify the facts before coming to conclusions.<ref>{{cite web | author= Uzi Baruch | script-title=he:בן ארי: על המשטרה לערוך בדק בית | url=http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/190024 | publisher= Israel National News | date=2009-06-02| accessdate=9 June 2009 |language=Hebrew}}</ref> The IDF Spokesman’s office started an investigation into whether the IDF and Border Guard acted illegally in their treatment of Ben-Ari.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131668 |title=Knesset Speaker: MK May Not be Detained Without My Approval |first=Hillel |last=Fendel |publisher=Israel National News}}</ref> On 16 June, the Knesset Committee discussed Ben-Ari's arrest. While the semantics of the word 'arrest' were discussed, it was confirmed that Ben-Ari was not [[Prison|incarcerated]]. It was reported that a letter from the [[Chief of General Staff (Israel)|Chief of General Staff]]'s office stated that the IDF expects elected officials and public representatives not to fan the flames and to abide by instructions from the security forces. Chairman of the committee, [[Ze'ev Elkin]] from [[Likud]], criticized the [[Ministry of Defense (Israel)|Ministry of Defense]] for boycotting the meeting and not sending representatives.<ref>{{cite web | author= Ezra Hezki| script-title=he:מערכת הביטחון מזלזלת בכנסת | url=http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/190650 | publisher= Israel National News | date=16 June 2009 | accessdate=16 June 2009|language=he}}</ref><ref>{{cite web | script-title=he:פרוטוקול מס 15 מישיבת ועדת הכנסת | url=http://www.knesset.gov.il/protocols/data/html/knesset/16June2009.html | website=Knesset.gov.il | date=16 June 2009 | accessdate=26 June 2009 |language=Hebrew}}</ref>

==Personal life==
Dr. Ben-Ari lives in the [[Israeli settlement]] of [[Karnei Shomron]].<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131651|title=MK Ben-Ari Hospitalized after Police Kick Him at Protest|website=Israel National News|access-date=2017-07-23}}</ref> His brother, Herzl Ben-Ari, is the former head of the Karnei Shomron [[Local council (Israel)|Local Council]].<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171391|title=Minister Ariel Launches New Neighborhood in Karnei Shomron|website=Israel National News|access-date=2017-07-23}}</ref>

==External links==
*[http://www.kodeshbook.co.il/product.asp?productid=7693 Hamered Hagadol book first published in 2016] on the [[First Jewish–Roman War|Great Revolt]]

==References==
{{Reflist|30em}}

==External links==
*{{Official website|http://www.mbenari.co.il/BRPortal/br/P100.jsp}}
*{{MKlink|id=841}}

{{Authority control}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Ben-Ari, Michael}}
[[Category:1963 births]]
[[Category:Living people]]
[[Category:Bar-Ilan University alumni]]
[[Category:Israeli historians]]
[[Category:Israeli settlers]]
[[Category:Israeli Kahanists]]
[[Category:Mizrahi Jews]]
[[Category:Israeli people of Afghan-Jewish descent]]
[[Category:Israeli people of Iranian-Jewish descent]]
[[Category:Members of the 18th Knesset (2009–13)]]
[[Category:People from Tel Aviv]]
[[Category:National Union (Israel) politicians]]
[[Category:Otzma LeYisrael politicians]]
[[Category:Israeli politicians of Iranian descent]]

She'ar Yashuv Cohen

2016-09-11T13:59:36Z

Shuki: /* Interfaith dialogue */ past tense

{{Infobox Jewish leader
| honorific-prefix = Rabbi
| name = Eliyahu Yosef Sha'ar Yashuv Cohen
| image = Sharyishuv.JPG
| image_size = 200px
| caption =
| title = [[Chief Rabbi]] of [[Haifa]]
| synagogue =
| synagogueposition =
| yeshiva =
| yeshivaposition =
| organisation =
| organisationposition =
| began =
| ended =
| predecessor =
| successor =
| rabbi =
| rebbe =
| kohan =
| hazzan =
| rank =
| other_post =

| birth_name =
| birth_date = {{birthdate|1927|11|4}}
| birth_place = [[Jerusalem]]
| death_date = {{dda|2016|9|5|1927|11|4}}
| death_place = [[Haifa]]
| buried =
| nationality = [[Israel]]i
| denomination = [[Orthodox Judaism]]
| residence =
| dynasty =
| parents = [[David Cohen (rabbi)|Rabbi David Cohen]] and Sara
| spouse = Naomi
| children = 1
| occupation =
| profession =
| alma_mater =
| semicha =
| signature =
}}
'''Eliyahu Yosef She'ar Yashuv Cohen''' ([[Hebrew]]: אליהו יוסף שאר ישוב כהן; November 4, 1927 – September 5, 2016)<ref>[http://www.timesofisrael.com/rabbi-shear-yashuv-cohen-scholar-and-warrior-dies-at-88/ Rabbi She’ar Yashuv Cohen, ‘scholar and warrior,’ dies at 88]</ref> was the [[Ashkenazi]] [[Chief Rabbi]] of [[Haifa]], Israel and the President of its rabbinical courts (1975–2011).

== Biography ==
Eliyahu Yosef She'ar Yashuv Cohen was an 18th-generation descendant in a family of rabbis and Torah scholars. The name "She'ar Yashuv" (Hebrew: שאר ישוב) is based on the eponymous son of the prophet [[Isaiah]] (see [[Book of Isaiah|Isaiah]] 7:3). His father was Rabbi [[David Cohen (rabbi)|David Cohen]] who was known as the "[[Nazirite|Nazir]] of [[Jerusalem]]." <ref>https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/rabbinicveg.html</ref> His mother was Sarah Etkin, among the founders of ''Omen'', a religious women's organization that became the [[Emunah]] movement.

Cohen attended Talmud Torah Geulah and studied at the [[yeshiva|yeshivot]] "Torat Yerushalayim," "[[Mercaz Harav]]," and "Etz Hayyim." According to family tradition, [[Lubavitch]]er Rabbi [[Menachem Mendel Schneerson]] hid in Cohen's grandfather's house after the [[Bolshevik Revolution]]. In his youth he became close to [[Abraham Isaac Kook]]. [[Yeshayahu Hadari]], co-founder of [[Yeshivat Hakotel]], said that Kook used to attend the [[melaveh malkah]] at the Cohen home and Eliyahu would play the violin.

Cohen and his sister were encouraged to become [[Nazirite]]s, but they chose not to follow in their father's path, apart from remaining [[vegetarian]]s. When he was growing up, Cohen's hair was not cut, he wore canvas shoes, and he followed the Nazirite practices of his father. At the age of 16, a special [[Beit Din]] of Jerusalem rabbis convened in his house to release him from the Nazirite vow. Even afterwards, out of an idealism for the holiness of life, he did not eat meat including fish, nor did he drink wine.

Cohen was married to Dr. [[Naomi Cohen|Naomi]], daughter of Rabbi Dr. Hayyim Shimshon [[Herbert S. Goldstein]], a rabbinic leader and long-time President of the [[Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America]] and other national organizations, and granddaughter of the philanthropist [[Harry Fischel]]. His sister Rabbanit Tzefiya, was married to Rabbi [[Shlomo Goren]], the Chief Rabbi of Israel. The Cohens had a daughter, Eliraz Kraus, six grandchildren, and several great-grandchildren.

==Military service==
In 1948, while studying at Mercaz Harav, Cohen joined Brit Hahashmona'im, a resistance movement that fought against the [[British Mandate in Palestine|British mandate]]. He was also an active member of the [[Haganah]]. With the support of his father and the [[Rosh Yeshiva]] of Mercaz Harav, [[Tzvi Yehuda Kook]], he led a group of youths who fought as part of the [[Hish (Haganah corps)|Hish]] in the [[Israeli War of Independence]], and helped to found the first military-religious core group that developed into a [[Yeshivat Hesder]].

During the Israeli War of Independence, Cohen defended Jerusalem and [[Gush Etzion]], where he fought with [[Etzel (Irgun Tzvai-Leumi)|Etzel]] for the [[Old City of Jerusalem]]. He accompanied convoys of soldiers to Jerusalem and Gush Etzion, and also fought to defend the Gush. He was severely injured in the fighting to defend the Old City, and when the [[Jewish Quarter (Jerusalem)|Jewish Quarter]] fell, he was captured by the [[Arab Legion]] of the [[Jordanian Army]]. Together with the survivors of Gush Etzion and the defenders of the Jewish Quarter, he was taken to [[Amman]] and then to the prison camp in [[Mafraq]]. In prison, his leg was operated on, but he remained handicapped. He became one of the leaders of the POWs, and earned the respect of both British and Arab commanders in the camp.

Cohen served in the [[Israel Defense Forces|IDF]] for seven years and reached the rank of ''[[sgan aluf|Aluf]]'' (lieutenant colonel). He participated in talks with the Jordanians on returning the remains of Jews killed in Gush Etzion during the war. He also participated in an IDF delegation to the United States, and served in senior positions in the army rabbinate, including army chaplain and chief rabbi of the [[Israeli Air Force]].

Cohen volunteered to fight in the [[Yom Kippur War]] and served as Chaplain of the unit that crossed the [[Suez Canal]].

==Political and public office==
[[File:Visit to Haifa No. 309 (6749137297).jpg|thumb|She'ar Yashuv Cohen hosting U.S. Ambassador [[Daniel B. Shapiro]], 2012]]
Cohen held an honorary degree in law from the law faculty of [[Hebrew University]]. He specialized in legal advice on rabbinic rulings. He researched [[Israeli law]] and its harmonization with the laws relating to the Land of Israel. Afterwards, he served as the deputy mayor of Jerusalem in the [[Mafdal]] (NRP) party, and continued in this role after the city was unified in the [[Six-Day War]] in 1967.

Several years after the death of [[Yehoshua Kaniel]] in 1975, Cohen replaced him as Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of [[Haifa]]. He is also President of the [[Harry Fischel Institute]] for Talmudic Research and Torah Law. He founded the ''Midrasha HaGevoha LaTorah'' ("Advanced Torah Institute") and the Ariel Institute in Jerusalem. In 1983 and 1993, he was a candidate for position of Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Israel.<ref>[http://www.hebrewbooks.org/j462 ''HaPardes'', [[Iyar]] 1983, page 29.]</ref> He is a senior rabbinical adviser to the [[Chief Rabbinate of Israel]]. He was the president of the Jerusalem Lodge of [[Bnai Brith]], and of the Bnai Tsion "Sons of Zion" association in Israel. He was elected twice as President of the Jewish Law Association, and three consecutive times as a member of the Board of Governors of the [[University of Haifa]]. In 1999 [[Bar-Ilan University]] conferred upon him an honorary doctorate. When Rabbi Cohen reached the age of 80, the City Council of [[Haifa]] unanimously conferred upon him the title: "Honorary Citizen."

Several years ago, the Jerusalem D.A. summoned Rabbi Cohen to a hearing in connection with the alleged improper running of "Jewish Studies" courses for members of the police and other security personnel. These courses had been conducted for several years in [[Jerusalem]] under the auspices of institutes presided over by the former [[Chief Rabbinate of Israel#List of Chief Rabbis|Chief Rabbis of Israel]], Rabbi [[Ovadia Yosef]] and Rabbi [[Mordechai Eliyahu]]. At the request of the then Chief Chaplain of the Northern Command of the Police, the Ariel Institutes of Haifa, under the presidency of Rabbi Cohen, agreed to host a parallel program for those living and serving in the northern part of the country. While the D.A. did not consider Rabbi Cohen to have been involved in the running of the program, he reprimanded him for having allowed the Ariel Institutes to grant a scholarship to the Yeshiva student son of the initiator and head of the Haifa program, labeling it as a bribe. Rabbi Cohen did not wish to go to a court of law to contend the allegation, particularly since he was already well over the mandatory age of retirement. The D.A. agreed not to press charges, on condition that the Rabbi would officially announce his retirement.<ref>Formal letter from the office of the District Attorney, Erez Padan, of the Ministry of Justice, Jerusalem District, May 1, 2011</ref><ref>Avied Glickman, The Word of the Rabbi, the Case was Closed Regarding the Allegation of Bribery against the Rabbi of Haifa, 1 May 2011, Nyet</ref><ref>The Case Was Closed Against Shear Yashuv Cohen, Kol Bo, Haifa, Supplement to Ha'Aretz, May 2, 2011.</ref> He became Chief Rabbi Emeritus.

==Interfaith dialogue==

Cohen was active in [[interfaith dialogue]]. He was awarded Israel's Sovlanut (tolerance) award in 1991. He served as a chief of the senior council for dialogue between the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and the [[Holy See|Vatican]], and recently became Chair of the council for dialogue between Judaism and [[Islam]]; he acted as an emissary of the Israel Chief Rabbinate to interfaith meetings and was on the Board of World Religious Leaders for [[The Elijah Interfaith Institute]].<ref>[http://www.elijah-interfaith.org/?id=732 The Elijah Interfaith Institute - Jewish Members of the Board of World Religious Leaders]</ref>

In October 2008, Rabbi Cohen was invited by [[Pope Benedictus XVI]], to lecture before the International Catholic Church [[Synod]] in [[Rome]], that is the supreme body of the [[Catholic]] Church, where he presented the [[Jewish]] view of the place of the [[Hebrew Bible]] ([[Old Testament]]) in the Jewish religion and liturgy. He used the occasion to oppose plans to beatify Pope [[Pius XII]].<ref>[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4900177.ece Plans to make Pius XII a saint opposed by Rabbi]</ref>

On January 28, 2009, the [[Chief Rabbinate of Israel]] broke off official ties with the Vatican indefinitely in protest over the Pope's decision to lift the excommunication of controversial bishop [[Richard Williamson (bishop)|Richard Williamson]], a member of the [[Society of Saint Pius X]]. Shear Yashuv Cohen, chairman of the Rabbinate's commission, told The Jerusalem Post that he expected Williamson to publicly retract his statements before meetings could be renewed.<ref>[http://fr.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233050189974&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull Chief Rabbinate cuts ties with Vatican]</ref>

Cohen later reconciled with Pope Benedict in March 2009.<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3685603,00.html | title=Rabbis meet with pope to smooth interfaith tensions | date=March 12, 2009 | work=[[Ynetnews]] | accessdate=2014-03-20}}</ref>

Cohen led the Jewish delegation of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel to the ninth meeting of the Commission for Dialogue between Jews and Catholics in Rome from January 17–20, 2010. He also chaired the Jewish delegation in the 11th Bilateral Commission meeting in March 2012.<ref>http://press.catholica.va/news_services/bulletin/news/28999.php?index=28999&lang=en</ref>

==Views and opinions ==
In an article in [[Makor Rishon]] (March 2005), he wrote:
<blockquote>
The State of Israel is dear and beloved to me as the first flowering of our redemption [''Reishit Tzemihat Ge'ulateinu'']. Especially for this reason, I cannot avoid... expressing my clear position that the "State of Israel" is not the supreme value in our lives, in terms of being a goal unto itself. There are more important demands that take priority over this, since surely everyone who seeks to be in the State of Israel aims to protect them and guard them... </blockquote>

Cohen continues with an appeal to then-prime minister [[Ariel Sharon]]:

<blockquote>
It is asked: Why uproot the settlements? Why can they not exist in a Palestinian state... and continue to observe all the commandments of inhabiting the Holy Land, as our fathers and forefathers did throughout the generations...?
</blockquote>

During the evacuation of [[Gush Katif]], Cohen strongly criticized the government of Israel: "Whoever uproots Jewish settlements in the land of Israel and God forbid will even cause destruction of synagogues and uprooting graves, will not be cleansed in this world nor in the afterlife... this is the highest form of evil and cruelty..."<ref>[http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/video/ViewVideo.asp?id=4970 From a lecture by Rabbi She'ar Yashuv Cohen on the evening before the disengagement plan was carried out in 2005.]</ref>

He later added, "I cannot consider an act more cruel and more evil than what the government of Israel did this week in Gush Katif, like this with one hand. The act of demolition of a synagogue is something that is unheard of among nations of the world... There is no sin greater than this."<ref>[http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/video/ViewVideo.asp?id=4974 From a lecture by Rabbi She'ar Yashuv Cohen during the implementation of the disengagement plan.]</ref>

In an interview with [[Haaretz]] newspaper, he said:
The religious precept to settle the Land of Israel is one that stands by itself, even in the absence of the State of Israel and Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel. We upheld the precept to settle the land even when the Turks and the British ruled the land. Why can we not continue to live there even when the State of Israel withdraws its sovereignty from the soil? […]<ref>http://www.jafi.org.il/education/actual/conflict/disengagement/mizrahi.html</ref>

I hear the voices. I dwell among the people. People are finding it difficult to swallow the new reality. When the government of Israel raises its hand to uproot Jewish settlements from the Land of Israel, it loses by its own actions the whole purpose and point of the state's existence. It is impossible to ignore this. The state is an instrument of holiness, not holiness itself, an instrument of a precept, not a precept. Even Rabbi [Joseph B.] Soloveitchik wrote that he would not lend a hand to unreserved subjugation to the state. That is idolatry. When the state behaves like a state of all of its residents, and not as a Jewish state, the attitude changes. I respect it as I do any other government. The practical significance is that when we recite the prayer for the government, we should pray that it should CONTINUE to be "the first flower of our redemption." Day.<ref>http://www.jafi.org.il/education/actual/conflict/disengagement/mizrahi.html</ref>

==Published works ==
* '''חקרי הלכה''' - קובץ תשובות, פסקים וקונטרסי הלכה דברים שכתב, חיבר ופרסם במשך שנות כהונתו ברבנות העיר חיפה
* '''שי כהן''' - שעורים, תשובות, ברורים וחקרי הלכה, הארות במשפט התורה ובמחשבת ישראל
* '''משנת הנזיר''' - עיקרי משנתו ותולדות חייו של הרב דוד כהן (אביו של הרב שאר ישוב כהן), מתוך יומניו, עם מבואות ופרקי זכרונות
* '''בסתר המדרגה''' - דברים מתוך משנת מרן נזיר אלקים הרב דוד כהן ומבואות לשיטתו
* '''יונתי בחגוי הסלע''' - חיבור שחיבר לעילוי נשמת אמו, הרבנית שרה כהן
* '''שלשה שותפים''' - להארת דמותם של: רבו הרב אברהם יצחק הכהן קוק, אביו הנזיר הרב דוד כהן ואמו הרבנית שרה כהן

==See also==
* [[Jewish vegetarianism]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links ==
*[http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/hmidrash.asp?search=1&orderby=53 "שיעורי הרב שאר ישוב כהן"] - שיעורי וידאו של הרב שאר ישוב כהן מתעדכנים מדי שבוע
*[http://www.zehut.net/ravhacohen.html שיעור בוידאו של הרב שאר ישוב כהן - ישראל ואומות העולם]
* "[http://www.inn.co.il/Besheva/Article.aspx/6018 מראה כהן]", כתבה על הרב בעיתון "בשבע" גיליון מס' 205 (כ"ג במנחם-אב ה'תשס"ו, 17 באוגוסט 2006).
* מאיר ושרה אהרוני, '''אישים ומעשים בחיפה והסביבה''', ינואר 1993.

{{Chief Rabbinate of Israel}}

{{Authority control}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Cohen, Shear Yashuv}}
[[Category:1927 births]]
[[Category:2016 deaths]]
[[Category:Chief rabbis of cities in Israel]]
[[Category:Deputy Mayors of Jerusalem]]
[[Category:Haredi rabbis in Israel]]
[[Category:Israel Defense Forces rabbis]]
[[Category:Israeli Orthodox Jews]]
[[Category:Kohanim writers of Rabbinic literature]]
[[Category:National Religious Party politicians]]
[[Category:People from Haifa]]

She'ar Yashuv Cohen

2016-09-11T13:58:14Z

Shuki: /* Military service */ minor edits

{{Infobox Jewish leader
| honorific-prefix = Rabbi
| name = Eliyahu Yosef Sha'ar Yashuv Cohen
| image = Sharyishuv.JPG
| image_size = 200px
| caption =
| title = [[Chief Rabbi]] of [[Haifa]]
| synagogue =
| synagogueposition =
| yeshiva =
| yeshivaposition =
| organisation =
| organisationposition =
| began =
| ended =
| predecessor =
| successor =
| rabbi =
| rebbe =
| kohan =
| hazzan =
| rank =
| other_post =

| birth_name =
| birth_date = {{birthdate|1927|11|4}}
| birth_place = [[Jerusalem]]
| death_date = {{dda|2016|9|5|1927|11|4}}
| death_place = [[Haifa]]
| buried =
| nationality = [[Israel]]i
| denomination = [[Orthodox Judaism]]
| residence =
| dynasty =
| parents = [[David Cohen (rabbi)|Rabbi David Cohen]] and Sara
| spouse = Naomi
| children = 1
| occupation =
| profession =
| alma_mater =
| semicha =
| signature =
}}
'''Eliyahu Yosef She'ar Yashuv Cohen''' ([[Hebrew]]: אליהו יוסף שאר ישוב כהן; November 4, 1927 – September 5, 2016)<ref>[http://www.timesofisrael.com/rabbi-shear-yashuv-cohen-scholar-and-warrior-dies-at-88/ Rabbi She’ar Yashuv Cohen, ‘scholar and warrior,’ dies at 88]</ref> was the [[Ashkenazi]] [[Chief Rabbi]] of [[Haifa]], Israel and the President of its rabbinical courts (1975–2011).

== Biography ==
Eliyahu Yosef She'ar Yashuv Cohen was an 18th-generation descendant in a family of rabbis and Torah scholars. The name "She'ar Yashuv" (Hebrew: שאר ישוב) is based on the eponymous son of the prophet [[Isaiah]] (see [[Book of Isaiah|Isaiah]] 7:3). His father was Rabbi [[David Cohen (rabbi)|David Cohen]] who was known as the "[[Nazirite|Nazir]] of [[Jerusalem]]." <ref>https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/rabbinicveg.html</ref> His mother was Sarah Etkin, among the founders of ''Omen'', a religious women's organization that became the [[Emunah]] movement.

Cohen attended Talmud Torah Geulah and studied at the [[yeshiva|yeshivot]] "Torat Yerushalayim," "[[Mercaz Harav]]," and "Etz Hayyim." According to family tradition, [[Lubavitch]]er Rabbi [[Menachem Mendel Schneerson]] hid in Cohen's grandfather's house after the [[Bolshevik Revolution]]. In his youth he became close to [[Abraham Isaac Kook]]. [[Yeshayahu Hadari]], co-founder of [[Yeshivat Hakotel]], said that Kook used to attend the [[melaveh malkah]] at the Cohen home and Eliyahu would play the violin.

Cohen and his sister were encouraged to become [[Nazirite]]s, but they chose not to follow in their father's path, apart from remaining [[vegetarian]]s. When he was growing up, Cohen's hair was not cut, he wore canvas shoes, and he followed the Nazirite practices of his father. At the age of 16, a special [[Beit Din]] of Jerusalem rabbis convened in his house to release him from the Nazirite vow. Even afterwards, out of an idealism for the holiness of life, he did not eat meat including fish, nor did he drink wine.

Cohen was married to Dr. [[Naomi Cohen|Naomi]], daughter of Rabbi Dr. Hayyim Shimshon [[Herbert S. Goldstein]], a rabbinic leader and long-time President of the [[Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America]] and other national organizations, and granddaughter of the philanthropist [[Harry Fischel]]. His sister Rabbanit Tzefiya, was married to Rabbi [[Shlomo Goren]], the Chief Rabbi of Israel. The Cohens had a daughter, Eliraz Kraus, six grandchildren, and several great-grandchildren.

==Military service==
In 1948, while studying at Mercaz Harav, Cohen joined Brit Hahashmona'im, a resistance movement that fought against the [[British Mandate in Palestine|British mandate]]. He was also an active member of the [[Haganah]]. With the support of his father and the [[Rosh Yeshiva]] of Mercaz Harav, [[Tzvi Yehuda Kook]], he led a group of youths who fought as part of the [[Hish (Haganah corps)|Hish]] in the [[Israeli War of Independence]], and helped to found the first military-religious core group that developed into a [[Yeshivat Hesder]].

During the Israeli War of Independence, Cohen defended Jerusalem and [[Gush Etzion]], where he fought with [[Etzel (Irgun Tzvai-Leumi)|Etzel]] for the [[Old City of Jerusalem]]. He accompanied convoys of soldiers to Jerusalem and Gush Etzion, and also fought to defend the Gush. He was severely injured in the fighting to defend the Old City, and when the [[Jewish Quarter (Jerusalem)|Jewish Quarter]] fell, he was captured by the [[Arab Legion]] of the [[Jordanian Army]]. Together with the survivors of Gush Etzion and the defenders of the Jewish Quarter, he was taken to [[Amman]] and then to the prison camp in [[Mafraq]]. In prison, his leg was operated on, but he remained handicapped. He became one of the leaders of the POWs, and earned the respect of both British and Arab commanders in the camp.

Cohen served in the [[Israel Defense Forces|IDF]] for seven years and reached the rank of ''[[sgan aluf|Aluf]]'' (lieutenant colonel). He participated in talks with the Jordanians on returning the remains of Jews killed in Gush Etzion during the war. He also participated in an IDF delegation to the United States, and served in senior positions in the army rabbinate, including army chaplain and chief rabbi of the [[Israeli Air Force]].

Cohen volunteered to fight in the [[Yom Kippur War]] and served as Chaplain of the unit that crossed the [[Suez Canal]].

==Political and public office==
[[File:Visit to Haifa No. 309 (6749137297).jpg|thumb|She'ar Yashuv Cohen hosting U.S. Ambassador [[Daniel B. Shapiro]], 2012]]
Cohen held an honorary degree in law from the law faculty of [[Hebrew University]]. He specialized in legal advice on rabbinic rulings. He researched [[Israeli law]] and its harmonization with the laws relating to the Land of Israel. Afterwards, he served as the deputy mayor of Jerusalem in the [[Mafdal]] (NRP) party, and continued in this role after the city was unified in the [[Six-Day War]] in 1967.

Several years after the death of [[Yehoshua Kaniel]] in 1975, Cohen replaced him as Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of [[Haifa]]. He is also President of the [[Harry Fischel Institute]] for Talmudic Research and Torah Law. He founded the ''Midrasha HaGevoha LaTorah'' ("Advanced Torah Institute") and the Ariel Institute in Jerusalem. In 1983 and 1993, he was a candidate for position of Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Israel.<ref>[http://www.hebrewbooks.org/j462 ''HaPardes'', [[Iyar]] 1983, page 29.]</ref> He is a senior rabbinical adviser to the [[Chief Rabbinate of Israel]]. He was the president of the Jerusalem Lodge of [[Bnai Brith]], and of the Bnai Tsion "Sons of Zion" association in Israel. He was elected twice as President of the Jewish Law Association, and three consecutive times as a member of the Board of Governors of the [[University of Haifa]]. In 1999 [[Bar-Ilan University]] conferred upon him an honorary doctorate. When Rabbi Cohen reached the age of 80, the City Council of [[Haifa]] unanimously conferred upon him the title: "Honorary Citizen."

Several years ago, the Jerusalem D.A. summoned Rabbi Cohen to a hearing in connection with the alleged improper running of "Jewish Studies" courses for members of the police and other security personnel. These courses had been conducted for several years in [[Jerusalem]] under the auspices of institutes presided over by the former [[Chief Rabbinate of Israel#List of Chief Rabbis|Chief Rabbis of Israel]], Rabbi [[Ovadia Yosef]] and Rabbi [[Mordechai Eliyahu]]. At the request of the then Chief Chaplain of the Northern Command of the Police, the Ariel Institutes of Haifa, under the presidency of Rabbi Cohen, agreed to host a parallel program for those living and serving in the northern part of the country. While the D.A. did not consider Rabbi Cohen to have been involved in the running of the program, he reprimanded him for having allowed the Ariel Institutes to grant a scholarship to the Yeshiva student son of the initiator and head of the Haifa program, labeling it as a bribe. Rabbi Cohen did not wish to go to a court of law to contend the allegation, particularly since he was already well over the mandatory age of retirement. The D.A. agreed not to press charges, on condition that the Rabbi would officially announce his retirement.<ref>Formal letter from the office of the District Attorney, Erez Padan, of the Ministry of Justice, Jerusalem District, May 1, 2011</ref><ref>Avied Glickman, The Word of the Rabbi, the Case was Closed Regarding the Allegation of Bribery against the Rabbi of Haifa, 1 May 2011, Nyet</ref><ref>The Case Was Closed Against Shear Yashuv Cohen, Kol Bo, Haifa, Supplement to Ha'Aretz, May 2, 2011.</ref> He became Chief Rabbi Emeritus.

==Interfaith dialogue==

Cohen was active in [[interfaith dialogue]]. He was awarded Israel's Sovlanut (tolerance) award in 1991. He serves as a chief of the senior council for dialogue between the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and the [[Holy See|Vatican]], and recently became Chair of the council for dialogue between Judaism and [[Islam]]; he acts as an emissary of the Israel Chief Rabbinate to interfaith meetings and is currently on the Board of World Religious Leaders for [[The Elijah Interfaith Institute]].<ref>[http://www.elijah-interfaith.org/?id=732 The Elijah Interfaith Institute - Jewish Members of the Board of World Religious Leaders]</ref>

In October 2008, Rabbi Cohen was invited by [[Pope Benedictus XVI]], to lecture before the International Catholic Church [[Synod]] in [[Rome]], that is the supreme body of the [[Catholic]] Church, where he presented the [[Jewish]] view of the place of the [[Hebrew Bible]] ([[Old Testament]]) in the Jewish religion and liturgy. He used the occasion to oppose plans to beatify Pope [[Pius XII]].<ref>[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4900177.ece Plans to make Pius XII a saint opposed by Rabbi]</ref>

On January 28, 2009, the [[Chief Rabbinate of Israel]] broke off official ties with the Vatican indefinitely in protest over the Pope's decision to lift the excommunication of controversial bishop [[Richard Williamson (bishop)|Richard Williamson]], a member of the [[Society of Saint Pius X]]. Shear Yashuv Cohen, chairman of the Rabbinate's commission, told The Jerusalem Post that he expected Williamson to publicly retract his statements before meetings could be renewed.<ref>[http://fr.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233050189974&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull Chief Rabbinate cuts ties with Vatican]</ref>

Cohen later reconciled with Pope Benedict in March 2009.<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3685603,00.html | title=Rabbis meet with pope to smooth interfaith tensions | date=March 12, 2009 | work=[[Ynetnews]] | accessdate=2014-03-20}}</ref>

Cohen led the Jewish delegation of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel to the ninth meeting of the Commission for Dialogue between Jews and Catholics in Rome from January 17–20, 2010. He also chaired the Jewish delegation in the 11th Bilateral Commission meeting in March 2012.<ref>http://press.catholica.va/news_services/bulletin/news/28999.php?index=28999&lang=en</ref>

==Views and opinions ==
In an article in [[Makor Rishon]] (March 2005), he wrote:
<blockquote>
The State of Israel is dear and beloved to me as the first flowering of our redemption [''Reishit Tzemihat Ge'ulateinu'']. Especially for this reason, I cannot avoid... expressing my clear position that the "State of Israel" is not the supreme value in our lives, in terms of being a goal unto itself. There are more important demands that take priority over this, since surely everyone who seeks to be in the State of Israel aims to protect them and guard them... </blockquote>

Cohen continues with an appeal to then-prime minister [[Ariel Sharon]]:

<blockquote>
It is asked: Why uproot the settlements? Why can they not exist in a Palestinian state... and continue to observe all the commandments of inhabiting the Holy Land, as our fathers and forefathers did throughout the generations...?
</blockquote>

During the evacuation of [[Gush Katif]], Cohen strongly criticized the government of Israel: "Whoever uproots Jewish settlements in the land of Israel and God forbid will even cause destruction of synagogues and uprooting graves, will not be cleansed in this world nor in the afterlife... this is the highest form of evil and cruelty..."<ref>[http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/video/ViewVideo.asp?id=4970 From a lecture by Rabbi She'ar Yashuv Cohen on the evening before the disengagement plan was carried out in 2005.]</ref>

He later added, "I cannot consider an act more cruel and more evil than what the government of Israel did this week in Gush Katif, like this with one hand. The act of demolition of a synagogue is something that is unheard of among nations of the world... There is no sin greater than this."<ref>[http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/video/ViewVideo.asp?id=4974 From a lecture by Rabbi She'ar Yashuv Cohen during the implementation of the disengagement plan.]</ref>

In an interview with [[Haaretz]] newspaper, he said:
The religious precept to settle the Land of Israel is one that stands by itself, even in the absence of the State of Israel and Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel. We upheld the precept to settle the land even when the Turks and the British ruled the land. Why can we not continue to live there even when the State of Israel withdraws its sovereignty from the soil? […]<ref>http://www.jafi.org.il/education/actual/conflict/disengagement/mizrahi.html</ref>

I hear the voices. I dwell among the people. People are finding it difficult to swallow the new reality. When the government of Israel raises its hand to uproot Jewish settlements from the Land of Israel, it loses by its own actions the whole purpose and point of the state's existence. It is impossible to ignore this. The state is an instrument of holiness, not holiness itself, an instrument of a precept, not a precept. Even Rabbi [Joseph B.] Soloveitchik wrote that he would not lend a hand to unreserved subjugation to the state. That is idolatry. When the state behaves like a state of all of its residents, and not as a Jewish state, the attitude changes. I respect it as I do any other government. The practical significance is that when we recite the prayer for the government, we should pray that it should CONTINUE to be "the first flower of our redemption." Day.<ref>http://www.jafi.org.il/education/actual/conflict/disengagement/mizrahi.html</ref>

==Published works ==
* '''חקרי הלכה''' - קובץ תשובות, פסקים וקונטרסי הלכה דברים שכתב, חיבר ופרסם במשך שנות כהונתו ברבנות העיר חיפה
* '''שי כהן''' - שעורים, תשובות, ברורים וחקרי הלכה, הארות במשפט התורה ובמחשבת ישראל
* '''משנת הנזיר''' - עיקרי משנתו ותולדות חייו של הרב דוד כהן (אביו של הרב שאר ישוב כהן), מתוך יומניו, עם מבואות ופרקי זכרונות
* '''בסתר המדרגה''' - דברים מתוך משנת מרן נזיר אלקים הרב דוד כהן ומבואות לשיטתו
* '''יונתי בחגוי הסלע''' - חיבור שחיבר לעילוי נשמת אמו, הרבנית שרה כהן
* '''שלשה שותפים''' - להארת דמותם של: רבו הרב אברהם יצחק הכהן קוק, אביו הנזיר הרב דוד כהן ואמו הרבנית שרה כהן

==See also==
* [[Jewish vegetarianism]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links ==
*[http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/hmidrash.asp?search=1&orderby=53 "שיעורי הרב שאר ישוב כהן"] - שיעורי וידאו של הרב שאר ישוב כהן מתעדכנים מדי שבוע
*[http://www.zehut.net/ravhacohen.html שיעור בוידאו של הרב שאר ישוב כהן - ישראל ואומות העולם]
* "[http://www.inn.co.il/Besheva/Article.aspx/6018 מראה כהן]", כתבה על הרב בעיתון "בשבע" גיליון מס' 205 (כ"ג במנחם-אב ה'תשס"ו, 17 באוגוסט 2006).
* מאיר ושרה אהרוני, '''אישים ומעשים בחיפה והסביבה''', ינואר 1993.

{{Chief Rabbinate of Israel}}

{{Authority control}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Cohen, Shear Yashuv}}
[[Category:1927 births]]
[[Category:2016 deaths]]
[[Category:Chief rabbis of cities in Israel]]
[[Category:Deputy Mayors of Jerusalem]]
[[Category:Haredi rabbis in Israel]]
[[Category:Israel Defense Forces rabbis]]
[[Category:Israeli Orthodox Jews]]
[[Category:Kohanim writers of Rabbinic literature]]
[[Category:National Religious Party politicians]]
[[Category:People from Haifa]]

United Hatzalah

2016-02-15T20:20:26Z

Shuki: +infobox

{{Infobox organization
|name = United Hatzalah
|image = Ichod Hatzalah.JPG
|image_border =
|size = 150px
|alt =
|caption =
|formation = 2006
|type = [[Gemach]]
|status = [[Non-profit organization|Non-profit]]
|purpose = free, volunteer-based [[emergency medical services]]
|headquarters = [[Jerusalem]], [[Israel]]
|location = Israel
|coords =
|region_served = Israel
|membership =
|language = [[Hebrew language|Hebrew]]
|leader_title = President/Founder
|leader_name = [[Eli Beer]]
|main_organ =
|parent_organization =
|affiliations =
|num_staff =
|num_volunteers = 2500
|budget = [[United States dollar|USD]]$5 million[http://israelrescue.org/faqs.php]
|website = [https://israelrescue.org israelrescue.org]
|remarks = Awarded 2011 Israeli [[Presidential Award for Volunteerism]]
}}
'''United Hatzalah''' (meaning "rescue" or "relief" in Hebrew: הצלה) is a free, volunteer-based [[emergency medical services]] (EMS) organization based in [[Jerusalem]]. Founded in 2006, it is the largest independent, non-profit and fully volunteer EMS organization in [[Israel]], with more than 2,500 [[emergency medical technicians]] (EMT), [[paramedics]] and doctors dispersed throughout the country. From its LifeCompass Command Center, United Hatzalah uses advanced GPS-based dispatch technology to identify the closest and most qualified volunteers to the scene of an emergency and routes those individuals through a mobile device application. Cadres of trained civilian volunteers throughout Israel create a web of emergency first responders, each outfitted with medically equipped motorcycles (“ambucycles”) capable of reaching victims in as few as 90 seconds.<ref>{{cite web|title=Just an ambucycle ride away|url=http://www.jpost.com/Metro/Just-an-ambucycle-ride-away-386350|publisher=The Jerusalem Post|accessdate=30 March 2015}}</ref> The organization is funded exclusively through private charitable support.

Within Israel, individuals may contact United Hatzalah through its direct emergency number, 1221; however, most dispatch information is received directly from national ambulance services. United Hatzalah in turn alerts and coordinates with local ambulance, Search and Rescue (SAR), fire, and police services, when necessary.

[[File:United Hatzalah of Israel Helicopter Rescue.jpg|thumb|United Hatzalah of Israel Helicopter Rescue]]
== Mission ==
United Hatzalah’s mission is to provide immediate lifesaving medical assistance during the critical window between the onset of an emergency and the arrival of traditional ambulance assistance. Services are provided free of charge without regard to race, religion, or ethnic background. As a designated national security asset by the [[Israel Defense Forces]] (IDF) [[Home Front Command]], United Hatzalah’s LifeCompass Command Center operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Their ultimate goal is to reduce response time from a previous national average of 20 minutes down to 90 seconds, which is within the critical lifesaving window.

== History ==
As a young EMT in Jerusalem, [[Eli Beer]] recognized that heavy urban traffic and narrow streets often prevented ambulances from arriving in time to save a victim. In response, he organized a volunteer unit of EMTs within his Jerusalem neighborhood. After the [[Second Lebanon War]] (Hebrew: מלחמת לבנון השנייה, ''Milhemet Levanon HaShniya'') in 2006, Beer brought together more than 50 separate Hatzalah chapters to form United Hatzalah of Israel. Initially, volunteers responded to less than 200 calls per day by monitoring two-way emergency radio scanners. As cellular technology evolved, volunteers migrated to a managed [[push-to-talk]] network, which enabled two-way communications between dispatchers and volunteer medics.

Later, United Hatzalah standardized ambucycles—motorcycles retrofitted with a storage box mounted to the back of the vehicles—each of which contains a complete trauma kit, an oxygen canister, a blood sugar monitor, and an [[automated external defibrillator]]. These ambucycles contain all of the lifesaving equipment commonly found in an ambulance but on a vehicle nimble enough to weave through traffic, narrow alleys, or obstructed roadways.

United Hatzalah then partnered with NowForce to create a proprietary mobile dispatch application to receive calls, assess the unique capabilities, mobility and equipment of the closest volunteers, and then route the most appropriate medics to a given emergency. Today, all volunteers receive alerts on their mobile phone through the NowForce command-and-control application [http://www.jpost.com/Health-and-Science/Govt-dithers-in-red-tape-defibrillator-saves-life <ref>{{cite web|title=Gov't dithers in red tape, defibrillator saves life|url=http://www.jpost.com/Health-and-Science/Govt-dithers-in-red-tape-defibrillator-saves-lifelanguage=en|publisher=The Jerusalem Post|accessdate=25 March 2015}}</ref>].

== Results and Demographics ==
United Hatzalah currently responds to approximately 800 calls per day and as many as 1,200 calls during large-scale emergencies such as the 2014 [[Israel-Gaza conflict|Israel–Gaza Conflict]]. In 2014, the organization answered more than 245,000 calls, with a volunteer corps of 2,500 medics, and a fleet of 440 ambucycles. Of the 2,500+ volunteer medics, 38% are [[Haredi]], 33.7% [[Modern Orthodox Judaism|Modern Orthodox]], 23.6% Secular, 3.1% Muslim, 1.1% [[Druze]] and .2% Christian, and .3% other.

United Hatzalah’s lifesaving model has reduced average response time to three minutes; the average response time across Israel, however, remains between 10 to 12 minutes. On sudden cardiac arrest calls—the best measure of emergency medical performance—United Hatzalah’s success in reducing response times and increasing quality of care have changed in lock step with national survival rates: In the 10 years since United Hatzalah’s inception, the rate of [[Cardiac arrest|cardiac-arrest]] deaths has decreased by 50%, according to the Israel Heart Society. At 46.4 deaths per 100,000 people, the [[World Health Organization]] reports that Israel ranks 12th best out of 192 countries in terms of coronary-related mortality.<ref>{{cite web|title=Global Atlas on cardiovascular disease prevention and control|url=http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2011/9789241564373_eng.pdf|website=World Health Organization|accessdate=1 April 2015}}</ref>

== SOS Mobile Application ==
Following the high-profile [[2014 kidnapping and murder of Israeli teenagers|abduction]] and murder of three Israeli youths in June 2014, United Hatzalah responded with SOS, a one-swipe emergency alert application. Downloaded by more than 150,000 people, SOS sends a distress signal to United Hatzalah’s 24/7 dispatch center, while also transmitting the user’s GPS coordinates to law enforcement officials—a process that may otherwise require days of legal maneuvering. SOS is meant to function as an emergency safety and security alert system, complementing direct verbal communication with police, fire, or medical emergency dispatchers. The app was developed in conjunction with NowForce and may be downloaded for free at sos.nowforce.com in both English and Hebrew.

== Awards and Recognition==
In April 2013, Eli Beer presented a [[TED Talks|TedMed]] talk titled, “The fastest ambulance? A motorcycle,” in which he describes the circumstances that led to him to re-imagine first-response medicine by training volunteer EMTs to respond to local emergencies and stabilize victims until official help arrives.<ref>{{cite web|title=The Fastest Ambulance? A Motorcycle|url=https://www.ted.com/talks/eli_beer_the_fastest_ambulance_a_motorcycle?language=en|publisher=TedMed|accessdate=25 March 2015}}</ref> The video has been viewed more than 990,000 times to date .

During the March 2015 American-Israel Public Affairs Committee ([[AIPAC]]) Policy Conference—the largest yearly gathering of the pro-Israel movement in the United States—United Hatzalah was honored as a featured innovator. AIPAC’s Innovation Showcase was presented before 16,000 attendees and serves to highlight emerging technology developed in Israel but with worldwide impact.

In recognition of its dedication to save lives, Eli Beer, on behalf of United Hatzalah, has received numerous international accolades, including the Israeli Presidential Award for Volunteerism in 2011 and the Institute of International Education’s Victor J. Goldberg Prize in 2013. In 2015, United Hatzalah received the OMETZ Award for its operational professionalism and transparent management. Eli Beer was personally recognized the [[Schwab Foundation for Social Entrepreneurship]] in cooperation with the [[World Economic Forum]] (WEF) as a Social Entrepreneur in 2010. WEF subsequently named him a [[Young Global Leader]] in 2012 for his efforts to create a multicultural, apolitical medical rescue organization.

== See also ==

* [[Health Care in Israel]]

* Israelife

* [[Eli Beer]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [http://www.1221.org.il/ Official Page]
* [http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4118742,00.html "Haredi, Arab saving lives together"]
* [http://www.jewishjournal.com/live_from_the_arab_spring/page3/israels_fast_free_and_innovative_way_to_save_lives_20120711/ Israel's fast, free and innovative way to save lives]
* [http://forbesindia.com/article/ideas-opinions/how-an-israeli-organisation-could-help-accident-victims-in-india/32690/1#ixzz1sIkXR5BJ Forbes India, How An Israeli Organisation Could Help Accident Victims In India]
* [http://www.economist.com/node/21543488 The Economist, Saving lives - Scattered saviours]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F67ehSogJ_Y Eli Beer presents at [[TEDMED]]]

[[Category:First aid organizations]]
[[Category:Emergency services]]
[[Category:Medical and health organizations based in Israel]]
[[Category:Volunteer organizations of Israel]]
[[Category:Jews and Judaism in Israel]]

User talk:Galatz

2016-02-15T19:46:01Z

Shuki: /* Revert at Partner Communications Company */ poor choice of words

;Welcome!
Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for helping us build a great free encyclopedia. We have [[WP:PILLARS|five basic principles]], but other than that, we advise that you [[WP:BOLD|be bold]] and edit. If you ever have any questions or need help, feel free to leave a message at the [[WP:Help desk|help desk]], and other Wikipedia editors will be happy to assist you.

Thanks again and congratulations on becoming a [[WP:Wikipedian|Wikipedian]]!

P.S. New discussion threads for you will appear at the bottom of this page.{{z130}}

== Shabbos App page ==

I'd appreciate if you go have a look at my latest version of the Shabbos App page. At the very least we should say that Rabbis and engineers looked at it and said it's a hoax a year ago -- and here it's a year overdue and the website is down. [[User:Boyblackhat|Boyblackhat]] ([[User talk:Boyblackhat|talk]]) 21:26, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

== Citations on Nefesh B'Nefesh page ==
Hi Galetz, just wanted to let you know that I added a bunch of citations to the [[Nefesh B'Nefesh]] page. I removed the citations needed box, since I believe the page is now well sourced.

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hi Galatz, I just wanted to say that I appreciate your balanced approach and civilised writings that I've recently came across here & there in the WP. I like and do appreciate it :) [[User:Universal Life|Universal Life]] ([[User talk:Universal Life|talk]]) 19:38, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
|}

== Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels ==

Your recent edits to [[Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels]] assume that this article covers all tunnels under Gaza. It does not. Rather it refers to tunnels that cross the Egypt-Gaza border. To my knowledge, none of these tunnels have been targeted by Protective Edge. Rather than revert your tags and changes, I would ask you to reconsider which ones are necessary and undo those that are based on a misunderstanding.--[[User:Carwil|Carwil]] ([[User talk:Carwil|talk]]) 19:37, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks I guess then the title is not clear. I know its not the ones used for terror, but there are smuggling tunnels in more than just the Gaza/Egypt border. When I look at the article I would expect it to be about all smuggling tunnels, and since there is no way of knowing if these tunnels would have been used for terror or smuggling. I guess the article wasn't clear to me in general which is why I added the clarify tag too. - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 20:53, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
::No border (or other legal regime banning movement, like prison regulations), no smuggling. I'm pretty sure that the types of Gaza Strip tunnels I listed under "Scope" on Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip is comprehensive. Seemingly, all the internal tunnels are on that page now.--[[User:Carwil|Carwil]] ([[User talk:Carwil|talk]]) 13:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

==Tagging==
Hi Galatz. I see you are tagging numerous articles for citation needed for the population and council jurisdiction. [http://www.jordanvalley.org.il/page_49200 Here] you can find a list of all the settlements under Bikat HaYarden council (and then subpages which detail their history, perhaps answering more of your tags), and [http://cbs.gov.il/ishuvim/ishuv2011/bycode.xls here] you can find the populations (2011). Cheers, [[User:Number 57|Number]] [[User talk:Number 57|5]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|7]] 22:10, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks! I'll go through them tomorrow and try and add some stuff from those - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 22:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

== WP:YESPOV and WP:PRESERVE ==

Given your edit here[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Shuja%27iyya_%282014%29&diff=622206360&oldid=621978523] I thought it worthwhile to remind you of [[WP:YESPOV]] and [[WP:PRESERVE]] as two of our core content policies. In short, you should endeavor to add new reliably sourced POVs, not to remove reliably sourced POVs you happen to disagree with. -- [[User:Kendrick7|Kendrick7]][[User_talk:Kendrick7|talk]] 02:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

== Israeli ship articles ==

Hi, I'm not sure how to write you back so I put my words here.
There is no much source in English or Hebrew about the subject on the internet.
The references I found on the net is not completely correct, yet much of it is correct. Because I familiar with the subject from close I allow myself to correct it. So I have 2 choices:
1. To delete the reference from the page. 2.Keep the reference but to correct it on the wiki page.
Not all the information is from the web. Lots of it from an internal book that didn't go public and other info is from the field itself.
However, I will appreciate your attention for my English grammar and vocabulary. In the end there a lot of info, I cross between them, choose the best I found and correct the spare. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sokuya|Sokuya]] ([[User talk:Sokuya|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sokuya|contribs]]) 19:57, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 

==Bodies in exchange for prisoners==

I believe that due to the ongoing interest in the two possible captive/slain soldiers, and the current, intense negotiations between Israel and Hamas over the exchange of bodies for prisoners, Oron Shaul can now support an article, which I have created. Hadar Goldin can probably support an article now, too. What do you think?[[User:ShulMaven|ShulMaven]] ([[User talk:ShulMaven|talk]]) 16:54, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
:In my opinion they should consistent with others in the past. The general consensus was however they didn't and both were deleted. Its tough to say much has changed since then though - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 17:16, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | In Appreciation of your diligent, well-sourced editing.[[User:ShulMaven|ShulMaven]] ([[User talk:ShulMaven|talk]]) 14:13, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
|}

== Dates ==

Hi. What is your basis for asserting that Israel uses solely DMY format? My understanding is that it uses both MDY and DMY formats. --[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 18:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Epeefleche}} If you look at any Hebrew language news site they use DMY format, for example [[http://www.ynet.co.il/ ynet]] or [[http://www.haaretz.co.il/ haaretz]]. For their English language websites they use MDY to appeal to their American target. I have never seen anything in Israel not use DMY. Also if you look at [[Date_format_by_country]] you will see they only list DMY for Israel. - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 19:38, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
::As you say, they use MDY on English language sites. I believe that just as they have three national languages, they also accept both the MDY and DMY date formats. This is -- of course -- an English language website, so conforming to what they do in English language websites certainly seems acceptable, at minimum. --[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 06:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Epeefleche}} If you look at [[MOS:DATE TIES]] it says whats used in the country most common. Because an Israeli website has an Americanized version doesn't really mean much in my opinion. Additionally if you check [[List_of_official_languages]] English is not an official language in Israel. - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 18:55, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
[[File:Tel Aviv street sign.png |thumb |180px]]
::::Sometimes we have multiple languages in that status. Road signs are a good reflection. As I expect you know and will agree, road signs in Israel are most commonly set forth in all three languages.
::::As to your (again) referencing a Wikipedia article for support, I always find it a good starting place. But sometimes, as here, not any better than a wiki generally is (especially the case, when as here, the text you point to lacks any ref ''whatsoever'' -- I'm not sure how that makes it something we should rely on).
::::It's a curious matter, but as far as what Israel's official language is, the answer apparently stems from Mandate times. According to Article 82 of the Palestine Order in Council, passed in 1922, “All Ordinances, official notices, and official forms of the Government and all official notices of local authorities and municipalities in areas to be prescribed by order of the High Commissioner, shall be published in English, Arabic, and Hebrew. The three languages may be used in debates and discussions in the Legislative Council, and, subject to any regulations to be made from time to time, in the Government offices and the Law Courts.”[http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/184281/hebrew-official-language]
::::Interestingly, as well, from the same source, "Last year ... 150,000 Israeli teenagers took their Bagrut, or matriculation exam, in English".
::::In any event, I would go with the test of road signs, and what the English papers use as a format (without even getting into the mandatory law and Bagrut, though they are supportive), to reflect that the MDY usage is an acceptable alternative (I could also rely on non-acceptable experience, which I imagine is driving you, in the opposite direction, as well). I don't accept that it is irrelevant what Israeli papers use as a format -- I think it is of great moment. The fact that you ascribe reasons for such usage is interesting as guesses go but not pertinent -- we should allow editors to follow any country's common usage, whatever the country's papers' assumed rationales may be. I would go with the approach we use in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Strong_national_ties_to_a_topic Canada], and - as the country usage does - accept either approach, but require that the usage be consistent. [[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 01:47, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

== Wikilinks and abbreviations ==

BTW, I'm pretty certain -- though I haven't looked for the basis right now -- that the rule is that the lede and the text both should be viewed as stand-alones when it comes to wikilinking and abbreviations. Thus, a wikilink and/or abbreviation in the lede does not result in us failing to wikilink the first instance of the phrase in the body (same with an abbreviation). --[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 18:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Epeefleche}} I may be mistaken I thought that wikilinking more than once when in lead was only for longer articles, but it is possible I am remembering it wrong. I did not think that applied to abbreviations. The article in question had PFLP wikilinked more than once in the body of the article itself however, so I know one of the removals was definitely correct. I will confirm with the policy and put it back if I am wrong - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 18:53, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Epeefleche}} This is what I am basing it on [[WP:OVERLINK]]. Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead. It says should appear once unless helpful for the reader to have it more than once. I am not sure if that article qualifies for needing it more than once, but correct me if I am wrong. - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 18:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for doing the legwork. First -- yes, I was prompted to leave my note by that article. Second -- I agree with some of your changes, as you indicated above there were further instances of wikilinking than those I was focusing on. And yes, wp:overlink captures my understanding. Following it, a wikilink in the lede is fine, a second link after that in the article text following the link is fine, and there should be no further links. I believe the same holds for abbreviations. I think it helpful for that article to have them both once in the lede, and once in the body of the article. Also, I believe that what you wikilinked was not just the org name, but the name+abbreviation together; I think just the name should be wikilinked. Best. [[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 19:17, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
:::I guess based on the reading of it, its really up to the editors personal feelings on whether or not its needed. Thanks for bringing it to my attention - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 19:22, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

== Reply ==

It is true, you're saying I have to reference every single episode of Impact Wrestling since June 19, 2014? That's not been the case for any other locations, but fine I shall do it. Also it doesn't mention the UK as that has not happened yet. The structure of the sentance is perfetly fine as it is 100% accurate, since June 19 2014, Impact Wrestling has been taped at only those two locations.[[User:Pawac|Pawac]] ([[User talk:Pawac|talk]]) 13:40, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Pawac}} No you just need a reference that would somehow state that this is true. To show that they were in 2 specific locations doesnt mean they haven't been in others. It might seem obvious to you but that still makes it [[WP:OR]] - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 13:46, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

==[[Ron Bennington]]==
Please see [[WP:BLPCRIME]]. You may think this is properly sourced, but one notice from a newspaper does not proper sourcing make, there was no conviction, and it has undue weight since it's basically the only verified biographical fact in the article. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 15:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

:{{ping|Drmies}} Per [[WP:BLPCRIME]]
:"A person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until proven guilty and convicted by a court of law. For relatively unknown people, editors must seriously consider not including material in any article suggesting that the person has committed, or is accused of committing, a crime unless a conviction is secured. If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory judgements that do not override each other, refrain from using pithy descriptors or absolutes and instead use more explanatory information."
:There are a few main points here to consider. '''1''' innocent until proven guilty. I never said innocent or guilty, only reported the facts he was accused of. If you think it was worded in a leading manor than add the word accused, but its not cause to remove it '''2''' Relatively unknown peron. Based on [[WP:ENTERTAINER]] he meets the notability criteria, so I wouldnt say he is unknown. '''3''' Is it sourced by a [[WP:RS]]. Yes it is. It does not require multiple RS to report on each instance reported, you only need one. Especially since this occurred in 1997, the early days of the internet.
:Based on all of this what cause do you have for removing it?

:Additionally you removed any link on the page to [[The Ron and Ron Show]], and stated [[WP:OLINK]] as your reason. Under what cause should it not be linked? Under what circumstance should it not be linked with the Main template, similar to how [[Ron and Fez]] and [[Unmasked (radio show)]] - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 16:14, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
*Galatz, I have corrected that link--it's the "main" template there that's unnecessary if the item can easily be linked from within the text. As for the BLP matter, it doesn't matter whether ''you'' say "innocent or guilty"--you couldn't say that anyway. What matters is whether we should report it or not given that there was no conviction, that it was apparently a minor matter of minor significance (given that there's only one source--the internet has nothing to do with this), and that it was undue since, as I said, "it's basically the only verified biographical fact in the article". If you feel differently you are welcome to take it up on [[WP:BLPN]]. Thank you, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 16:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
:*Also, see [[Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia]]: when you expanded/created the radio show article you copied content from at least three articles, and that needs to be acknowledged. I just [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Ron_and_Ron_Show&diff=647894385&oldid=647894094 made an edit] where I listed that--PLEASE do so with the first edit. It is quite important that content be correctly attributed. Thank you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 16:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Drmies}} I mentioned it here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ron_and_Fez&diff=647819426&oldid=647817068] where it was going but you are correct, I should have mentioned where it came from.
:::What I do not understand is why "it's basically the only verified biographical fact in the article" is reason for moving sourced info. Shouldn't instead you add the tag that the section needs expanding? Why not just use the [[Template:Expand section]] tag and leave the verified information that is there?
:::If the main template was the issue shouldn't it have been done consistently? What made Ron and Ron different than Ron and Fez or Unmasked? - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 16:27, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Last things first: I started, maybe I didn't finish. Give it a go--if you do that (removing those "main" templates), and you try to write out that whole thing as prose rather than a list of sections, it will look at lot better (less choppy). About the copying, yeah, I guess it's something you have to know, and I happen to know it, and now you know it too!But you are overdetermining the "sourced info" bit--the essence of ''this'' info is that it's negative BLP info. If it weren't negative it wouldn't be a problem, but right now the only sourced fact we have is that he is...well, fill in the blank (not here, in your mind), and that's just not OK. If the sourcing is valid, if the material is serious enough, and if there is more we have to say on the guy than just one negative detail from a fairly long somewhat public life, it's an entirely different matter. The problem here is a lack of balance.Now, if you redo that article to make it more like prose and less like a list, that would be a good start already--still, though, you have to ask yourself what benefit it is to the reader. It's not our job to provide every verified fact ([[WP:FART]]), but rather to give a properly verified and fair overview of a person if they pass our notability standards. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 16:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Drmies}} Thanks. It should have more on his life outside of radio, but there just isn't much out there. - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 16:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::Surely there's more to find on a man who has a cigar-flavored cupcake named for him... (that's pretty revolting, by the way...) [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 16:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Haha thats hysterical and clearly not legit, fixed and referenced - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 16:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

== COI ==

on the [[Guardian Life Insurance Company of America]] article. If you are unaware of issues with COI editing in WP and don't care about them, please don't do things like removing COI tags without reviewing the article for neutrality. The tags are there for a reason, and should only be removed with reason. Removing the tag and leaving puffery and other crap content behind, means that the abuse of WP stands. Why do you want to be that guy? I am baffled. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 20:43, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Jytdog}} I am baffled on why you are not following WP rules. You point to rules that completely do not back up your claim. Every WP rule says if something is unsourced you tag it, not to delete it. I properly tagged this article yesterday and less than 24 hours later you removed the content. Please copy and paste SPECIFICS not pointing to general long pages if you disagree with me, as I have been kind enough to do for you. Unless its contentious information about a person, you tag it and leave it. Please read these rules and do not blindly sight them, as by you removing them you are in violation. I suggest you read the rules, educate yourself, and self revert - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 21:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
::"Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed." from the lead of [[WP:VERIFY]]. There are no "rules" in WQP. There is policy, guideline, and essay. That is policy, as strong as it gets. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 21:23, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
:: and i would appreciate it if you answer my question. Why would you ignore the instructions to review the article for NPOV before removing the tag? [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 21:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Jytdog}}I believe the key that you are missing is in the line before that which states "any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material." I don't believe you are challenging the validity of that information, just the lack of sourcing. I agree it should be sourced however I did not have the time to work on that yesterday. I spent a lot of time working on [[Paper Mill Playhouse]] which also lacked a lot of sourcing and needed a lot of help with its formatting. I chose to spend the time fixing it, I didn't just remove it. A lot of the information is very informative, but it was not sourced.
::: I did not ignore the instructions of reviewing the article for NPOV before removing it. I clearly read trough the entire article as you can tell by the changes made. I did not however feel it was POV based. You removed certain statements such as "grew substantially," which I do not consider to be POV. I definitely agree, you could make a case for [[WP:WEASEL]] for it and it can be removed based on that, however that does not warrant a COI tag. I don't disagree with the removal, but the issue was with [[WP:COI]]. The article was far from perfect, as I mentioned before I was more focused on other articles. The issue though is with whether or not there was any conflict of interest. - [[User:Galatz|Galatz]] ([[User talk:Galatz#top|talk]]) 21:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
:::: i am not missing anything. unsourced content is not "informative" - it is noise - a bunch of words, and per policy it can be removed. thanks in any case for answering my question. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 22:13, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

== A cookie for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Choco_chip_cookie.png|120px]]
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | thanks for fixing my mistake!!! [[User:Boardg|Boardg]] ([[User talk:Boardg|talk]]) 22:00, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
|}
==TNA==
Isn't necessary to include all wrestler who resigned with TNA (In fact, usually we don't include them). I included Hardy, Anderson and Abyss because they're former world champions. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 14:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|HHH Pedrigree}}The burden is on YOU to prove that is the criteria that should be used. I suggest you read [[WP:REMOVAL]]. Most specifically anything that talks about properly sourced information. It is relevant to the topic and sourced, meaning if you want to remove it you should be taking it to talk. It is not up to you to decide. What you do is you bring it to the talk page, you propose your changes, and you make them consistently throughout the page. I suggest you revert your changes and bring it to talk as per the WP policy. Additionally you still haven't addressed the logic in how a list could possibly be "1, 2 or 3 all resigned," it just doesnt make any sense. - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 14:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
::Why should I discuss every change I make in the talk page? We should summarize. We don't need a long list of wrestlers who resigned with the promotion. Two of them, the most important, it's fine. We never talk about releases or resigned in other articles, except the most notable ones. To include Spud or Tyrus (two mid-carters) doesn't look important to the article. [[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 15:43, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
:::{{ping|HHH Pedrigree}}Because thats what WP's policy says to do. Do you need more of a reason than that? You are changing complete content. You should get a consensus on the talk page about the way things should be done and that way it can be done consistently in all future references. I am not disagreeing with you, just talking about policy.
:::Additionally you need to pay attention to what you are editing. The first time a person is mentioned they should be wikilinked. You removed wikilinks to [[Eric Young (wrestler)|Eric Young]], [[Davey Richards]], and [[Rockstar Spud]]. It is your responsibility as part of making edits to correct this and add the wikilinks where needed. - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 16:34, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
::::Am i changing '''COMPLETE''' content? I reduced seven names to four. Talk page is for big changes, not for every minor edit an user made. Do you realy think any user in the project will appear to talk about a minor change? --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 17:01, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

== Venues ==

This is really ridiculous now. Every single episode of Impact Wrestling was referenced to show that for the time period in question Impact Wrestling was only taped at those two locations. Your previous statement that you do not believe it has, seemingly, been your only reason why you insist on there not being evidence to prove this. However you do not require the same level of evidence for any other period of taping for TNA, particularly from Universal Studios. You're claiming there needs to be references to show that Impact Wrestling was not taped from any other venue during the period of time, which is not how things are done, is not necessary and makes no sense seeing as every single episode of Impact Wrestling was referenced to show that there was no other venues during the period of time in question. Not to mention that your needless request is impossible to fulfil, is one expected to reference every single venue worldwide to show that Impact Wrestling was not taped at the venue for every single day from June 19, 2014 to January 29, 2015?

[[User:Pawac|Pawac]] ([[User talk:Pawac|talk]]) 22:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Pawac}}Again as I have said over and over and over read [[WP:OR]]. If you are doing your own research figuring out where they taped each week and coming to your own conclusion, its OR and it is against WP's rules. That is the reason why they require a [[WP:RS]] for everything. If you have a source that says "Their UK show is their first show outside of XXXX and YYYY since ZZZZ" then your statement is correct. Unless you have something saying that you are doing your own research. Whether its accurate or not, its still against WP's rules. The way I reworded it accurately reflects that they taped shows in both places but does not imply it was exclusive. Unless there is an RS saying it was exclusive it should not be on WP. I do not care how confident you are that it is accurate, its still against the rules.
:You could perhaps make an argument by the way you had referenced every single show that it fits under [[WP:CALC]] but it really doesn't. How would one know there wasn't a different show you didnt list. Find a source that states it properly or leave it off. You cannot include your own research. - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 00:42, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

::Again, I am familiar with [[WP:OR]] and there is NO original research as they were ALL referenced and thus did meet [[WP:RS]]. Your argument is based on nothing and you have avoided points I raised. It is not against WP rules, for every taped episode there was a link to it's location. Links to other locations cannot be found because there weren't any. No WP being broken. NO OR. Does meet RS. Bring in a mod if you, somehow, think this untrue. [[User:Pawac|Pawac]] ([[User talk:Pawac|talk]]) 11:23, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Pawac}} I do not believe you have read it. If you did you would realize that going through and checking every single event is the EXACT definition of OR. The third sentence in the page clearly states '''This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources.''' What you are doing is analyzing the data and coming to a conclusion. That is a violation plain and simple.
:::When it comes to an RS for OR here is what it says '''Even with well-sourced material, if you use it out of context, or to reach or imply a conclusion not directly and explicitly supported by the source, you are engaging in original research.''' Please explain to me how this is not exactly what you are doing? You are using a source to IMPLY and REACH a conclusion.
:::I beg of you to please show me how you can argue that isnt exactly what you are doing? Don't just say it, prove it. - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 13:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

::::I have now provided yet more links to further prove this is true. You are the only one who does not believe it, you continue to ignore raised points about you ONLY doing this for these venues because you personally do not believe it happened despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It is IMPOSSIBLE to prove that Impact Wrestling was taped elsewhere because it wasn't. This was very public knowledge last year and I am certainly not the only one who has provided links for these locations, yet you ARE the only one removing them. If you seriously think what you're doing is correct and not just some petty reason based on your refusal to believe (your words) TNA taped here, then you should do the same for all the other locations, like Universal Studios, as I pointed out earlier and you conveniently ignored, much like you did the suggestion to bring in a mod/admin. It's simple, the fact Impact Wrestling was solely recorded from the venues mentioned is definitive, other editors have added references too, you're the only one to remove the facts due to some irrational failure to believe TNA taped from the venues in question. It is clear, it has been referenced several times and clearly shows the sole venues are as stated. Very telling that you undid your edit and reverted back to mine. I consider this issue closed. [[User:Pawac|Pawac]] ([[User talk:Pawac|talk]]) 17:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Pawac}}Never have I ever said it was untrue. All I did was say you are doing your own research. I pointed out to you the key sections that prove its OR. How does this not fit into it? Additionally as you can clearly read I said I didnt want to edit war, but you chose to ignore that. - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 18:17, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

:::::Yes, yes you did. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Total_Nonstop_Action_Wrestling&diff=640419211&oldid=640418844 [[User:Pawac|Pawac]] ([[User talk:Pawac|talk]]) 23:20, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

{{ping|Pawac}}That was a completely different set of circumstances at that time that you are completely missing out on. I even explained to you at the time, that you apparently chose to forget, that I said it wasn't true because you were ignoring the UK dates that were coming up in January that were not mentioned. Those have since come and gone and the dates of your claim have been added. Completely different set of circumstances and 6 months of activity has changed since then, but good try. - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 13:38, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

== Israel at the Olympics ==

Hi Galatz,

Please do not revert my edits. We'll keep using the standard format of Olympic countries pages. Do not add the gender or any unnecessary column for every table because it will lose consistency to the standard format. For the gymnastics, sections for rhythmic and artistic are separated from one another. Thank you! [[User:Raymarcbadz|Raymarcbadz]] ([[User talk:Raymarcbadz|talk]]) 09:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

== Help? ==

Hi -- I wonder if you may have the wherewithal and time to help me, as you've done in the past. I'm looking for (more) RS support in Hebrew that [[Marc Hinawi]] is Christian. Relates to a DYK hook. Only if you have the time and inclination, since I suspect your facility with the language is better than mine ... tx. --[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 21:26, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

== Silent intifada incedents ==

I have seen that you have removed the Netanel Arami incident (what also known as "פיגוע הסנפלינג" (the Snapling attack) to Israelies), The sources [http://www.timesofisrael.com/slain-construction-worker-recognized-as-terror-victim/] [http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/released-for-publication-netanel-arami-murdered-in-terror-attack/2014/11/26/] [http://www.hakolhayehudi.com/one-year-to-the-murder-of-netanel-arami-still-no-consolation/] find the victim as victim of terrorist attack, and many WP:RS mention that cover up allegations. Could you adjust the info on the event so that it could be followed ?

few other RS on the subject - http://www.mako.co.il/news-israel/local-q1_2015/Article-efee90b408c5c41004.htm , http://news.walla.co.il/item/2805231 , http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4596337,00.html — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/37.26.146.170|37.26.146.170]] ([[User talk:37.26.146.170|talk]]) 08:31, 19 October 2015 (UTC) 

== [[WP:ACE2015|ArbCom elections are now open!]] ==

Hi, 
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current [[WP:ACE2015|Arbitration Committee election]]. The [[WP:ARBCOM|Arbitration Committee]] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia [[WP:RFAR|arbitration process]]. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose [[WP:BAN|site bans]], [[WP:TBAN|topic bans]], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The [[WP:ARBPOL|arbitration policy]] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to [[WP:ACE2015/C|review the candidates' statements]] and submit your choices on [[Special:SecurePoll/vote/398|the voting page]]. For the Election committee, [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 14:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


== [[WP:ACE2015|ArbCom elections are now open!]] ==

Hi, 
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current [[WP:ACE2015|Arbitration Committee election]]. The [[WP:ARBCOM|Arbitration Committee]] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia [[WP:RFAR|arbitration process]]. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose [[WP:BAN|site bans]], [[WP:TBAN|topic bans]], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The [[WP:ARBPOL|arbitration policy]] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to [[WP:ACE2015/C|review the candidates' statements]] and submit your choices on [[Special:SecurePoll/vote/398|the voting page]]. For the Election committee, [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 14:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


== Moto X disambiguation page ==

Hi Galatz,
I think when the user searches for Moto X, Wikipedia could use a disambiguation page, since the term can be ambiguous. Would that be a reason for a Moto X disambiguation to exist? It's not even work, actually you made the first version. --[[User:Makkachin|Makkachin]] ([[User talk:Makkachin|talk]]) 02:58, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Makkachin}} I had originally created one for Moto E, Moto G and Moto X once the second versions came out. Upon discussions it was decided that we didnt need a separate page for each of these since they are all part of the same Moto line. Therefore we had the 3 all redirect to the same main page which included all three of them. What is the advantage of having 3 separate pages rather than the redirect to the one main one. - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 14:44, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::I think it's like searching for United States, then getting a list of all countries in the Americas. Yeah they are all countries in the Americas, but I entered in a very specific search term, not a broad search term. Why am I getting Peru, Guatemala, Mexico, Canada? Maybe that's not what disambiguation pages are for: I don't mean "Mexico" when I search for "United States". However I understand it's popular to merge disambiguation pages into bigger ones in Wikipedia so I understand how the changes have come about. --[[User:Makkachin|Makkachin]] ([[User talk:Makkachin|talk]]) 14:31, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
::Hi Galatz, I was looking back at one of your reversions, and it just bugs me that your reasoning for reverting is that there was "no reason" to have the disambiguation page. The search term is Moto X, there is ambiguity for that term, therefore there is disambiguation for that term. What more is there to explain? If an average disambiguation page does not need an editor to actively argue for its existence, why should you ask what the advantages of a disambiguation page is, especially when [[WP:DISAMBIG]] is well written to explain? --[[User:Makkachin|Makkachin]] ([[User talk:Makkachin|talk]]) 13:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I think the main thing comes down to [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. The primary topic we are working with here is the Motorola Moto line. There might be 3 sublines within it, but the Moto line itself is the primary topic. Anyone who is looking for the Moto X would wind up on the Moto page with all their relevant info they need, because its the primary topic. - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 15:23, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Season's Greetings! ==

<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#FF4646; background-color:#F6F0F7; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:7px; {{border-radius|1em}} {{box-shadow|0.1em|0.1em|0.5em|rgba(0,0,0,0.75)}};" class="plainlinks">[[File:Happy Holidays (2135831016).jpg|217px|left]][[File:Arbuckle Bros. (3093003361).jpg|190px|right]][[File:Season's Greetings, Christmas Card from 320 Ranch.jpg|217px|left]]{{Center|[[File:Happy Holidays text.png|301px]]}}
'''Hello Galatz:''' Enjoy the '''[[Christmas and holiday season|holiday season]]''' and '''[[winter solstice]]''', and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand [[Wikipedia]]. Cheers, [[User:Northamerica1000|North America]][[User talk:Northamerica1000|1000]] 01:59, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
[[File:A book of country clouds and sunshine (1897), cropped.jpg|center|500px]]{{paragraph break}}
</div>
{{paragraph break}}
:<div style="float:left">''{{resize|88%|Use {{tls|Season's Greetings}} to send this message}}''</div>{{-}}

== 'bout your name ==

Just wondering.. is it supposed to be [[Army Radio|Galatz]]?--[[User:Bolter21|'''Bolter21''']] ''([[User talk:Bolter21|talk to me]])'' 20:41, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
:{{ping|Bolter21}} nope, my family is originally from [[Galați]] which the name comes from. - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 16:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
::It's funny since you seem to be intrerested in Israeli related articles.. Oh well.--[[User:Bolter21|'''Bolter21''']] ''([[User talk:Bolter21|talk to me]])'' 18:17, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Bolter21}} I definitely am, but just a coincidence. - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 18:23, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

== Revert at Partner Communications Company ==

Your revert at [[:Partner Communications Company]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Partner_Communications_Company&type=revision&diff=698201937&oldid=697932885] was absurd. This leak was reported in a RS and not OR. Thanks. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 19:36, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:{{ping|Shuki}} Its wikipedia policy, read '''Speculation and rumor, even from reliable sources, are not appropriate encyclopedic content''' and everything else at [[WP:RUMOR]] - '''''[[User:Galatz|Galatz]][[User_talk:Galatz|Talk]]''''' 19:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:Perhaps a poor choice of words by me, but certainly you read the source I included that did not mention speculation or rumour but brand change as a matter of fact. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 19:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Partner Communications Company

2016-02-15T19:38:47Z

Shuki: /* Brand ownership */ brand

{{Infobox company
| name = Partner Communications Company Ltd.
| logo = [[File:Partner logo.svg|160px]]
| type = [[Public company|Public]]
| traded_as = {{TASE|PTNR}} {{NASDAQ|PTNR}}
| genre =
| foundation = {{Start date|1999}}
| founder = [[Hutchison Telecommunications International|Hutchison Telecommunications International Limited]], [[Elbit Systems|Elbit]] and Eurocom
| location_city = [[Rosh HaAyin]]
| location_country = [[Israel]]
| location = 
| origins =
| key_people = Isaac Benbenisti ([[chief executive officer|CEO]])
| area_served = Israel, [[Israeli-occupied territories]]
| industry = Mobile telecommunications
| products =
| revenue = {{profit}} 1.83 billion USD (2011)<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120322005476/en/Partner-Communications-Reports-Q4-Annual-2011-Results |title=Partner Communications Reports Q4 and Annual 2011 Results |publisher=Business Wire |date=2012-03-22 |accessdate=2013-08-05}}</ref>
| operating_income = {{loss}} 271 million USD (2011)
| net_income = {{loss}} 115 million USD (2011)
| num_employees = 5700
| parent =
| divisions =
| subsid =
| owner = [[Scailex Corporation]] (51%)
| slogan =
| homepage = [http://www.orange.co.il www.orange.co.il]
| dissolved =
| footnotes =
}}

'''Partner Communications Company Ltd.''' (operating under the '''[[Orange S.A.|Orange]]''' brand name until February 2016, soon will change to '''Partner''') is a [[mobile network operator]], [[internet service provider|internet]] [[Wi-Fi]] and [[telephone|fixed telephony]] service provider in Israel.

The company’s shares are traded on [[NASDAQ]] and the [[Tel Aviv Stock Exchange]], where it is a constituent of the [[TA-25 Index]]; since August 2009, [[Scailex Corporation]] (owned by businessman [[Ilan Ben Dov]]) controls 51% of its shares.<ref name="calcalist">{{cite web|url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3761158,00.html|title=Ilan Ben-Dov Buys Controlling Interest of Partner|publisher=[[Calcalist]]|date=August 12, 2009|accessdate=2009-08-18}}</ref>

==History==
[[File:Partner HQ.JPG|thumb|right|Partner HQ in [[Afek Industrial Park]]]]
Partner was founded in 1999 and was the third mobile network operator to enter the Israeli market, competing with the two incumbent operators - [[Cellcom (Israel)|Cellcom]] (Founded 1994) and [[Pelephone]] (Founded 1986). When it was announced that the Ministry of Telecommunication would grant a third cellular network license it was thought that there is no room for another company; hence only two companies responded to the tender: Partner, and a group called "Tapuz". After losing its bid, Tapuz (which incidentally means "[[Orange (fruit)|Orange]]" in Hebrew) became a part of Partner.

When it started operating in 1999, Partner was the first [[GSM]] cellular network in Israel (the others were using [[IS-95|CDMA]], [[Digital AMPS|TDMA]], or [[Integrated Digital Enhanced Network|iDEN]] technologies at that time), it allowed Israeli consumers to use their phones in other locations in the world with a similar network. The network was branded under the name "'''Orange'''" which was an international brand registered under the name of [[Hutchison Whampoa]] Hong-Kong, which was the major initial investor in the company.<ref>[http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2015/June/Orange-CEO-Backtracks-on-Cutting-Israel-Ties/ Orange CEO Backtracks on Cutting Israel Ties]</ref> The successful launch and promotion of the '''Orange''' brand is considered one of the best advertising efforts undertaken in Israel.

===Founding shareholders===

The initial shareholders in the consortium that bid for the third cellular network license in Israel, in addition to [[Hutchison Telecommunications International|Hutchison Telecom]], were [[Elbit Systems|Elbit]], MATAV (now part of [[HOT (Israel)|HOT)]], Eurocom and Polar Communications.

===2001 IPO===

In November 1999, only 11 months after it began operating, Partner had an [[initial public offering]] on [[NASDAQ]] and the [[London Stock Exchange]]; the shares were listed under the symbol PTNR on NASDAQ and under the symbol PCCD on the London Stock Exchange. The company raised $604m, enabling the initial investor consortium to recoup a significant portion of their investment swiftly.<ref name=Wire1999>{{Citation
| title = J.P. Morgan announces Partner Communications' $604 million ADR IPO on Nasdaq; Israeli mobile telephone company founded by Hutchison Whampoa, marketed under The Orange Brand.
| url = http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-57050995.html
| publisher = Business Wire, --November 1, 1999--
}}</ref>

In 2001 the shares were also listed on the [[Tel Aviv Stock Exchange]] under the symbol PTNR and became a constitute of the [[TA-25 Index]].

===Hutchison takes full control===

Through the years, the ownership of Partner Communications changed dramatically. The original Israeli partners sold the majority of their shares and eventually held only a small percentage of the company. Other than the public, the biggest shareholder became [[Hutchison Telecommunications International|Hutchison Telecom]] (51.6%). The Egyptian company [[Orascom Telecom Holding|Orascom]] bought 20% of Hucthison, and as a result, held 9.99% of Partner's shares indirectly.

===Sale to Scailex Corporation===

During 2009 Hutchison decided to exit their investment in Partner and sold their 51% controlling stake to businessman Ilan Ben-Dov, who made his fortune holding the exclusive rights to market the [[Samsung]] mobile phones in Israel. The company was sold to [[Scailex Corporation]] (a company controlled by Ben-Dov) for [[Israeli new shekel|NIS]] 5.29 billion (about USD $1.38 billion).

==Brand ownership==
{{further|Orange Business Services#History|Orange (UK)#History|Orange SA#History}}
The 'Orange' brand that the company uses under license, belongs to [[Orange S.A.]] (formerly France Télécom), which is not related to the current owners of Partner. Orange decided to let Partner keep using the name because of the network's wide commercial success and brand recognition, with a deal running through 2025,<ref>[http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/74637-150612-richard-to-netyanyahu-orange-doesn-t-participate-in-boycotts-of-israel Richard to Netanyahu: 'Orange doesn't participate in boycotts of Israel]</ref> at a rate of NIS 15 million per year.<ref>[http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-orange-to-pay-partner-up-to-90m-1001048877 Orange to pay Partner up to €90m]</ref> This situation occurred following the sale of the Orange Group by [[Hutchison Whampoa]], which did not include the holding in [[Hutchison Telecommunications International|Hutchison Telecom]].

In June 2015 the CEO of Orange, Stephane Richard, stated he would cancel his licensing deal with Israel tomorrow if he was able to.<ref>[http://www.timesofisrael.com/orange-ceo-sows-confusion-on-israel-trip-aimed-to-resolve-dispute/ Orange CEO sows confusion on Israel trip aimed to resolve dispute]</ref> In the following days Richard stated his comments were taken out of context and he supported his deal with Israel and intended to maintain the deal.<ref>[http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israel-france-orange-netanyahu-20150612-story.html French telecom exec says company wants to keep investing in Israel]</ref> Richard later clarified his statements stating his comments were not politically motivated and meant only that he wished Orange to only be in countries which they operated and not licensing the name.<ref>[http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Orange-CEO-says-his-company-plans-to-invest-more-in-Israel-405929 Orange CEO says his company plans to invest more in Israel]</ref> On 12 June Richard visited Israel and met with [[Benjamin Netanyahu]] to personally apologize and to commit to their future partnership with Israel.<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/world/middleeast/orange-ceo-stephane-richard-meets-with-netanyahu-over-israel-remarks.html?_r=0 French Executive Apologizes to Netanyahu After His Remarks Prompt an Uproar]</ref>

On 30 June 2015, Orange and Partner announced a change to their 10-year licensing agreement. Orange paid Partner NIS 168 million, to add an opt out clause to the contract,<ref>[http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/197485#.VZKYyWJdXy0 Israeli Co. to Be Paid Millions After Orange Faux Pas]</ref> with which Partner intends to conduct a market survey which is determine the best course of action moving forward.<ref>[http://www.jta.org/2015/06/30/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/israeli-affiliate-to-stop-using-orange-name-in-24-months-under-new-deal Israeli affiliate to stop using Orange name in 24 months under new deal]</ref> In the first year only Partner can opt out, with either party being able to opt out in the second year.<ref>[https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2015/06/30/orange-group-and-partner-communications-outline-new-relationship-framework-agreement/ Orange Group and Partner Communications outline new relationship framework agreement]</ref> Regardless of which party opts to exercise the out clause, Orange will pay partner an additional NIS 210 million to end the arrangement.<ref>[http://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/Orange-Partner-pave-way-for-cutting-ties-following-BDS-controversy-407563 Orange, Partner pave way for cutting ties following BDS controversy]</ref> Orange stated that the money paid to Partner was purely for re-branding purposes and affirmed their previous statement that their wish to leave Israel is based on desire to discontinue license agreements and maintain only subsidiaries that they control, rather than a boycott.<ref>[http://www.timesofisrael.com/telecom-giant-orange-to-end-israel-presence-within-2-years/ Telecom giant Orange to end Israel presence within 2 years]</ref> Orange would make the relevant payments over the course of two years and charge it to their books as a mix of marketing, sales, customer services and related expenses.<ref>[http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2015/06/30/orange-rejigs-brand-licensing-agreement-with-partner-at-cost-of-up-to-e90-million-if-leaves-israel/ Orange Redoes Brand Licensing Agreement With Partner Costs Up To $100 Million If It Leaves Israel]</ref> As part of the agreement Orange's research and development activities within Israel would transition to the Orange name, but would be restricted from entering the telecommunications services market.<ref>[http://www.digitaltveurope.net/390902/orange-strikes-new-deal-with-partner-communications/ Orange strikes new deal with Partner Communications]</ref>

On 11 February 2016, the new logo of Partner was unveiled. The new brand will be officially released on the 16 February 2016.<ref>{{Cite news|url = http://www.themarker.com/technation/1.2848942|title = שלום אורנג', נעים מאד פרטנר: ככה נראה הלוגו החדש|last = |first = |date = |work = |access-date = |via = }}</ref>

==Operations==
Partner Communications commenced full commercial operations in January 1999 and by 31 March 2001 had over 1,000,000 subscribers, representing an estimated 21% of the cellular market in Israel at that time.<ref>{{Citation
| title = Investor Releases - Fact Sheet Q1 2001.pdf
| url = http://www.orange.co.il/Res/Investor_Releases/PDF%5CFact%20Sheet/FS_Q1_2001.pdf
}}</ref> As of June 2009 it has 2,944,000 subscribers and a 32% market share, while the other mobile operators in Israel have: 35% - Cellcom, 29% - Pelephone and 4% - MIRS.<ref>{{Citation
| title = Investor Releases - Fact Sheet Q2 2009.pdf
| url = http://www.orange.co.il/res/Investor_Releases/PDF/Fact%20Sheet/fact%20sheet%20Q2%2009%20final.pdf
}}</ref>

The Orange network utilizes [[GSM]] (900 MHz/1800 MHz), [[Universal Mobile Telecommunications System|UMTS]] (900/2100 MHz) technology and for 3G services; an [[Evolved HSPA|HSPA+]] network that currently covers over 90% of the country, as well as an [[LTE (telecommunication)|LTE]] network (1800 MHz). Users of the network can use advanced services all over the world due to roaming agreements with 350 GSM and 130 UMTS international networks. 23% of the network users are business customers, 29% are pre-paid customers and the rest are private post-paid customers.

The prefix (area code) for Orange customers is 054, although customers who requested to keep their old number from a different cellular company may have a different area code, as required by law.<ref>[http://www.nbn.org.il/aliyahpedia/community-housing/setting-up-your-home-in-israel/phones-internet-and-tv/ Phone, Internet and TV]</ref>

On 15 January 2007 Partner was granted a license to provide terrestrial telecommunications nationwide which gives it the option to operate a wired telephony; initially the service was provided for large businesses only.

On 1 January 2009, the company commercially launched its [[Internet service provider|ISP]] services and [[Landline]] services (based on the [[Session Initiation Protocol]]) for private users and small businesses. These services rely on the combination of [[Nokia Siemens Networks|Nokia Siemens Network]] core services and [[Siemens]] Gigaset residential gateway. The combination of these allowed Partner to launch several unique services such as multiple calls on a single line, or *77 which allows users to choose whether to answer an incoming call on their home phone or their Orange mobile phone.

== See also ==
* [[Hutchison Telecommunications International]]
* [[Communications in Israel]]
* [[Golan Telecom]]
* [[List of mobile network operators of the Middle East and Africa#Israel|List of mobile network operators of Israel]]

==References==
{{reflist|30em}}

==External links==
* [http://www.orange.co.il Main portal] {{he icon}}

{{TA 25 companies}}
{{Orange S.A.}}

[[Category:Mobile phone companies of Israel]]
[[Category:Israeli companies listed on the London Stock Exchange|Partner Communications]]
[[Category:Companies listed on NASDAQ]]
[[Category:Israeli brands]]

User talk:Galatz

2016-02-15T19:36:25Z

Shuki: /* Revert at Partner Communications Company */ new section

User talk:Shuki

2016-01-02T22:48:58Z

Shuki: +auto cleanup

<div class="usermessage">''Note to posters:'' Let's try to keep [[Wikipedia:Talk_page#How_to_keep_a_two-way_conversation_readable|two-way conversations readable]]. If you post to my talk page, I will just reply here. If I posted recently to another talk page, including your talk page, then that means I have it on my watchlist and will just read responses there. I may also refactor discussions to your talk page for the same reason. Thanks. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]]</div>

==Welcome==

'''Welcome!'''

Hello, {{PAGENAME}}, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
*[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
*[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
*[[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
*[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Tutorial]]
*[[Wikipedia:How to write a great article|How to write a great article]]
*[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Where to ask a question]], ask me on my talk page, or place <code>{{helpme}}</code> on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  And Shalom! [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 08:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


{| class="infobox" width="315px"
|-
! align="center" | [[Image:Vista-file-manager.png|50px|Archive]] [[Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page|Archives]]
----
|-
|
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive1|Archive1]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive2|Archive2]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive3|Archive3]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive4|Archive4]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive5|Archive5]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive6|Archive6]]
#
|}

{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader = {{talkarchive-atn}}
|maxarchivesize = 75K
|counter = 57
|minthreadsleft = 2
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo = old(14d)
|archive = User talk:Shuki/Archive %(counter)d
}}{{DISPLAYTITLE:User talk:Shuki}}
{{auto archiving notice
|bot = Lowercase sigmabot III
|age = 14
|small = yes
}}

== חַג חֲנֻכָּה שָׂמֵחַ==

<div style="background:black;border:5px ridge purple;color:gold;font-family:monotype corsiva;font-size:200%">
<center>הַנֵּרוֹת הַלָּלוּ קֹדֶשׁ הֵם</center>
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|left|60px]]
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|right|60px]]<center>
Hi Shuki! Hoping you and yours are
spiritually warmed by the holy lights of
חֲנֻכָּה
Chesdovi 2010</center>
</div>

==[[Talk:James_G._Lindsay]]==
Hi Shuki, I'll really appreciate your comments about my new suggestions. [[User:Nik Sage|Nik Sage]] ([[User talk:Nik Sage|talk]]) 11:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[List of Chabad houses]] for deletion ==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|42px|alt=|link=]]</div>The article '''[[List of Chabad houses]]''' is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Chabad houses]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Frivolous SPI ==

Is there any sanction that can be applied to editors who fish for checkusers with little substantial basis? It seems that there is no real evidence of anything except common editing yet it would seem that anyone is free to come an accuse as well as join the party. If anyone sees this, please add a remark for me on [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shuki|the SPI]]. I hope it is not tempting a followup accusation of meat, yet I think it is only fair for the accused to reply. I make a dumb mistake, and everyone is piling on to join in the Shuki bashing. Thanks. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:I would like to welcome [[User talk:Bulldog123|Bulldog123]] and [[User talk:Betsythedevine|Betsythedevine]] into the ranks of the I-P battleground and thank them for waking me up from a month of WP slumber. I am also as perplexed that with many of the regular I-P editors currently topic banned or interaction banned, they have suddenly shown an sudden uncharacteristic interest in this area, as well as a strong interest [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bulldog123&action=historysubmit&diff=407032840&oldid=406961606 especially with the pro-Israel editors]. Very peculiar... At least Betsy contributes to the project, maybe one day I will understand if Bulldog does anything other than attack and bring antagonism where he goes. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 16:37, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Wikipedia's 10th anniversary ==

[[File:10piece-english-L k.svg|200px]][[File:Wp10 norway logo.jpg|200px]][[File:10piece-hebrew-R k.svg|200px]]

== Question about Beit Yatir / Teaneck relationship ==

Hi. I'm currently investing a brouhaha over an alleged twinning between the town of Teaneck, NJ and the moshav Bet Yatir. As far as I can tell, the only source for the twinning is your unsourced edit at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beit_Yatir&diff=174698486&oldid=174697857

Could you please contact me at larry at jewishmediagroup dot com and let me know what your source was for this edit? Thank you!

[[User:Yudel|Yudel]] ([[User talk:Yudel|talk]]) 20:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

:You could click on the left side 'E-mail this user' as I rarely check here these days, enjoying a blessed WP vacation. I don't recall where I took that from. It seemed plausible. Most people on WP after a few months know that if someone has a problem with any claim, they can stick a template on to request sources and then remove it after a few weeks if nothing shows up. How is that brouhaha going? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

== Well, I hope you are happy ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-03-28/In_the_news]. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 00:58, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know about this. Too bad no one bothered to email me. I would not use the word 'happy', rather 'mildly amused' that some irrational person blew this wildly out of proportion. I just replied to Yudel above what any newbie to WP would do in order to avert a crisis. But this Siegel character, may he see how he has erred and caused strife instead of peace, was apparently looking for confrontation ''demanding that township officials '''publicly renounce''' the connection'' instead of merely doing some investigative footwork to see if Teaneck was even twinned with any other municipality in the first place. I am not surprised why everyone on the city council ignored his requests. The article is actually written okay and reminds me of good old style of investigative journalism you rarely see these days.

*FWIW, I've never been to Teaneck or Beit Yatir and I cannot recall where I got that info. In my early WP days, I would copy information from other WP articles if it seemed plausible and uncontroversial. I definitely noticed that mentions of twin cities in other geo articles never had references, so I did not bother with that section there either.
*FWIW2, if this Siegel character is so interested in being anti-Zionist, than he should not be using or giving credibility to WP which is based on [[PHP]], a programming language which has a strong root in Israel. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 22:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

==Orphaned non-free image File:Nation with the Golan.jpg==
'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|⚠|link=]]''' Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:Nation with the Golan.jpg]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[Wikipedia:Orphan|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:MyContributions|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in the [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.  '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 14:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC) 14:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

== Happy [[Jerusalem Day|Yom Yerusalyim]] to all. ==

[[File:Western wall jerusalem night.jpg|left|thumb|250px]]
'''Jerusalem Day''' ({{lang-he|יום ירושלים}}, ''Yom Yerushalayim'') is an [[Jewish holiday#New Israeli/Jewish national holidays|Israeli national holiday]] commemorating the reunification of [[Jerusalem]] and the establishment of Israeli control over the [[Old City (Jerusalem)|Old City]] in June 1967. The [[Chief Rabbinate of Israel]] declared Jerusalem Day a minor religious holiday to thank God for the [[Six-Day War|6-day]] victory and for answering the 2,000-year-old prayer of "Next Year in Jerusalem".
[[File:Flag of Jerusalem.svg|right|thumb|250px]]

== I need your help ==

I was recently engaged in a somewhat productive talk regarding Ariel (city) with other Wikipedians. I would highly appreciate your help (and the help of everyone who wishes to help us) in better editing the article there in general, while preventing one-sided editing in particular. Can you please visit the Ariel (city) article and help me? [[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 13:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

after my last post (is that the right term, post?) here above. I had the following massege left on my page :"Please do not engage in the sort of canvassing that you have on Shuki's talk page. Also, please note that this editor is currently topic banned and may not participate in such discussions. -asad (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)". i mention it here for two reasons: 1. i disagree with what ASAD is describing as 'canvassing', but clearly you have a much more important opinion in that regard (behing your page and all...) 2. they say that you are 'topic banned' and i wonder if that is true (and how come you were banned). thank you in advance for your much needed (more than ever) help.[[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 15:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
:I hope Shuki will not mind me answering this. He is banned, see [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Log_of_blocks_and_bans|this sanctions log]]. --[[User:ElComandanteChe|ElComandanteChe]] ([[User talk:ElComandanteChe|talk]]) 16:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

::I want to thank the community for watching out for me. I don't think this is canvassing at all, but as everyone knows, (I'm touched) I cannot edit on certain articles for about another 150 days. I wonder if I'm allowed to discuss these issues on my talk page because that seems to be ex-territorial. Anyone have any insight on that? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I also wonder how can i send an e-mail to Shuki in particular and others in general? where can i find someone's e-mail adress?[[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 17:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

:If you create a username, then on the left side of most userpages there will be a link to "E-mail this user". Though, I can't guarantee that I'll answer. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

== Elazar Abuhatzeira ==

Why did you create the article in mainspace if you had no references? There's no contest for "creating the most useless stubs that will get deleted." I also must admit that I am ''very'' skeptical of notability of a religious scholar only being provable as soon as said scholar is dead, in spite of a 40-plus year career. In short, rather than fighting to keep it in mainspacce, why not create it in your userspace and ''then'' just move it when it meets policies? [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 02:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
:It's best not to comment on articles or people you do not know about, though I am not one, I understand the attitudes of deletionists. Anyway, as a veteran editor looking for information on which to base opinions, you definitely would have clicked on interwiki links to see if the other languages have any info. Even if you don't speak those languages, you can still get a picture of the legitimacy of a subject for an article since we AGF and assume that other wikis are also maintained to high standards. In any case, the reason why there was no article until now is because a) there was not much RS available except for a major scandal and b) I created the stub because this was a breaking story and there was nothing in English on the web about it and the context of being from a notable family dynasty. People trust WP for breaking news even if only a byte of info. This is not a stub that will get deleted and I assume a veteran editor like yourself would again AGF and check my record of edits before assuming I would create a 'useless stub'. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 04:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::You said exactly what I thought you would say, which was "People trust WP for breaking news even if only a byte of info." I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTNEWS|not news]]. This is an encyclopedia, not a media outlet. [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 04:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:::You know that officially is the motto here, but in reality, WP is a form of encyclopedia, almanac, journal and repository of history. If WP was really notnews, there would not articles like [[:2011 Norway attacks]] for instance. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 08:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

==AfD==
Please see: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armoured bus]][[User:Kitfoxxe|Kitfoxxe]] ([[User talk:Kitfoxxe|talk]]) 05:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

== Welcome back ==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[Image:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]|[[Image:Original_Barnstar.png|100px]]}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Just saw your post on AE and thought to commend you on the perceptive, pointed and civil comments there. Baruch Shuvcha! --[[User:MichaelNetzer|MichaelNetzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelNetzer|talk]]) 04:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
|}

:Thanks. I appreciate your fine contributions. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 07:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== חַג חֲנֻכָּה שָׂמֵחַ==

<div style="background:black;border:5px ridge purple;color:gold;font-family:monotype corsiva;font-size:200%">
<center>הַנֵּרוֹת הַלָּלוּ קֹדֶשׁ הֵם</center>
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|left|60px]]
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|right|60px]]<center>
Hi Shuki! Hoping you and yours are
spiritually warmed by the holy lights of
חֲנֻכָּה
Jiujitsuguy 2011</center>
</div>

:Toda. Good to see your still around. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

== Revava ==

You have violated the 1RR. Self-revert your edit or you may be reported. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:Please explain. This 1RR must have happened when I was gone. I reverted you once is a violation of 1RR? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::Your first edit was labeled a partial revert, your second a wholesale revert. So you have made 2 reverts, which is more than the allowed 1. Every article in the topic area is covered by a 1RR, see [[WP:ARBPIA#General 1RR restriction]]. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah, you are playing games with me. I understand now. I recall now how you do it, gimme a min. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::::No, not a game. Not even a ''warning''. Rather, a request that you self-revert your edit and a notice that if you refuse to do so I will report you for violating the 1RR. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, not warning - coming from you is a threat. I self-reverted my first edit, but did not re-add alleged since the additional news articles clearly say the courts convicted Peace Now of publicizing a false report. Would the 1RR also include keeping false information in the article, or is it blanket 'don't revert twice'? Please be honest here, if you have issues, I'll revert that as well for now and get second opinion. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I see you chose to self-revert a different edit in order to keep a different revert. You should see [[WP:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive75#Nableezy|here]] where a similar situation resulted in a lengthy ban (for me) on the basis that such an action was "gaming". '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Shuki, you are free to remove anything you wish from your talk page as you did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shuki&diff=467247636&oldid=467247442 here], but the comment stands. In fact, looking at the thread I linked to above I see you participated in it, so you have no excuse for thinking that you can game the restriction in such a way. Please tell me if you are not going to self-revert your edit so that I can proceed with the AE report. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:I'll keep this embarrassing comment of yours in. Thanks for reminding me about that AE. It's good to keep a record of that information and that they did stop you in your tracks with that frequent tactic for once and for all. I guess I have to read up on about a years worth of action here to understand the new boundaries. If it's keeping your behaviour intact, must be good progress. Too bad you have not learnt to AGF and give me more than a minute to edit before re-threatening me. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

::And I appreciate your future drawing attention to many Israeli articles that I have to improve. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:50, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Talk:Hilltop_Youth#.22Groups.22.3F}} [[User:NickCT|NickCT]] ([[User talk:NickCT|talk]]) 13:52, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

== Please ==

I would love to see you take me to A/E for a typo and my [[Dysgraphia]]. See you there. -[[User:Asad112|asad]] ([[User talk:Asad112|talk]]) 23:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== AE ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Shuki] -[[User:Asad112|asad]] ([[User talk:Asad112|talk]]) 16:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

== Article ban ==

In accordance with [[WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions]], and as a result of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=476352352#Proposed_Remedies this AE thread], you are indefinitely (note not infinitely) banned from editing the article [[Golan Heights]]. You may, of course, appeal this sanction at any time to AE or to the Arbitration Committee. Speaking only for myself, I would imagine that the sanction could be lifted if you remained out of trouble for the next few months and then appealed it. Regards, [[User:HJ Mitchell|'''HJ Mitchell''']] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|Penny for your thoughts? ]] 01:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

==Thank you==
{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Camera Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Photographer's Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" |Thank you for the pictures you've taken and allowed others to use via Wikimedia Commons and contributing under CC and GFDL licensing. [[User:CocoaZen|CocoaZen]] ([[User talk:CocoaZen|talk]]) 15:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
|}
:I appreciate your appreciation. Thanks :-) --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

== Shooting move ==

I wasn't completely clear on the talk page. I did the move because two people had already suggested it (without a title). However, I didn't see that there was already a general article with the plural until after the move. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] - [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 15:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== No one reads AE talk ==

You should ask on of the admins active in the area on their talk page or put formal AE request.--[[User:Shrike|Shrike]] ([[User talk:Shrike|talk]]) 20:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== New AE request ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Shuki AE request]     ←  [[User talk:ZScarpia | ZScarpia]]   14:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

As a courtesy, I thought I should let you know that I've discussed you in relation to the recently ended AE request [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Discussion_concerning_ZScarpia_and_WLRoss here].     ←  [[User talk:ZScarpia | ZScarpia]]   00:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know, I guess. I will AGF you again, though I'm sure that many think it is quite funny that I get sanctioned while others (like you) are merely dismissed at a subsequent identical. I didn't goad you to taking me to AE, merely demanded that you retract that misleading accusation (in fact frivolous) and peculiar that even though I did not break 1RR, you succeeded in getting the admins to eliminate me for subjective reasons only. Now that the holiday is over, I will have to decide how to proceed. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

==Dispute resolution survey==
{| style="background-color: #CCFFFF; border: 4px solid #3399cc; width:100%" cellpadding="5"
| [[File:Peace dove.svg|right|70px]]
<big>'''Dispute Resolution – ''Survey Invite'''''</big>
----
Hello {{BASEPAGENAME}}. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released.

'''Please click [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDBlN2RPQzljTFgySWg1bGFPZkVJcWc6MQ HERE] to participate.''' 
Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts.
----
You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated [[meta:Research:Wikipedia Dispute Resolution|research page]]. [[User:Steven Zhang|Steven]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|Zhang]] [[WP:DRP|DR goes to Wikimania!]] 23:02, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
|}

== Pesach sameach ==

The symbolism of getting indef'ed from I/A articles on Pesach eve is too hard for me to not notice personally. I thank you all for being part of this message. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 09:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
:The ADL, which has a clear agenda, is not RS - but Peace Now, B'Tzelem and Ha'aretz, that also have clear agendas, are. Seems like the books have been cooked in Chametz Gamur, making it a good time to keep a distance. Pesach Sameach! --[[User:MichaelNetzer|MichaelNetzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelNetzer|talk]]) 15:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

== [[WP:ARBPIA]] Topic Ban ==

This notice is to inform that you are you [[WP:TBAN|banned]] from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces indefinitely per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=485917007&oldid=485916254 this AE report]. Violations of this ban will result in blocks, more information about topic bans can be found at [[WP:TBAN]]. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley|talk]]) 15:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

== Your free 1-year HighBeam Research account is ready ==

Good news! You are approved for access to 80 million articles in 6500 publications through [[HighBeam Research]].
* Account activation codes have been emailed.
* To activate your account: 1) Go to [http://www.highbeam.com/prof1 http://www.highbeam.com/prof1]
* The 1-year, free period begins once you enter the code.
* If you need assistance, email "help at highbeam dot com", and include "HighBeam/Wikipedia" in the subject line. Or go to [[WP:HighBeam/Support]], or ask [[User:Ocaasi]]. Please, per HighBeam's request, do not call the toll-free number for assistance with registration.
* A quick reminder about using the account: 1) try it out; 2) provide original citation information, in addition to linking to a HighBeam article; 3) avoid bare links to non-free HighBeam pages; 4) note "(subscription required)" in the citation, where appropriate. Examples are at [[WP:HighBeam/Citations]].
* HighBeam would love to hear feedback at [[WP:HighBeam/Experiences]]
* Show off your HighBeam access by placing <nowiki>{{User:Ocaasi/highbeam_userbox}}</nowiki> on your userpage
* When the 1-year period is up, check the [[WP:HighBeam/Applications|applications page]] to see if renewal is possible. We hope it will be.
Thanks for helping make Wikipedia better. Enjoy your research! Cheers, [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]] [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]] 04:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

==Orphaned non-free image File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg==
'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|⚠|link=]]''' Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).

Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in the [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#F5|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]]) 09:22, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

==[[:Category:Jewish film and theatre]]==
As you commented on this category at the previous discussion, please see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 17#Category:Jewish film and theatre (no. 2)]] which I have raised afresh at the suggestion of [[user:IZAK]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 07:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

==Notification of [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement]] filing==
Shuki, as I believe your comment on my talk page violates the topic ban to which you are subject, I have filed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&diff=503701541&oldid=503267313 a request] at [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement]] for review of the matter. I will refrain from myself imposing any administrative sanctions in the matter, since your post was directly questioning my judgment, and I do not believe it would be appropriate for me to unilaterally act in such a case. You may post a statement defending yourself, and since the AE thread directly accuses you of violating your topic ban, defending yourself ''will not'' be construed as a violation of your topic ban. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Balance icon.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] To enforce an [[WP:Arbitration|arbitration]] decision, you have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 week'''. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks#Arbitration enforcement blocks|guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks]] and follow the instructions there to appeal your block. <hr/>'''Notice to administrators:''' In a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=349940199#Motions_regarding_Trusilver_and_Arbitration_Enforcement March 2010 decision], the Committee held that "Administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]]). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification|proper page]]. Any administrator that overturns an enforcement action outside of these circumstances shall be subject to appropriate sanctions, up to and including desysopping, at the discretion of the Committee."</div> [[User:Heimstern|Heimstern Läufer]] [[User talk:Heimstern|(talk)]] 16:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

==[[:Category:Radio stations in Israel]]==
I suppose I should fix it myself but I'm not an experienced Wikipedia user/editor. Your edits to [[List of radio stations in Israel]] weren't done properly - you added (thank you!) Kol Chai and Kol Berama into the section for stations operated by the IBA instead of the section for commercial stations. (There may be other entries which are similarly wrong but I noticed yours).

==Disambiguation link notification for October 15==

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Israeli legislative election, 2013]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Ya'akov Katz]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Israeli_legislative_election%2C_2013|check to confirm]] | [[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Israeli_legislative_election%2C_2013|fix with Dab solver]]). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 11:14, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== Topic ban ==

Revert yourself or Ill file an enforcement request. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 21:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

:My topic ban is with regard to I-P, to which the Golan does not apply. I have edited Golan articles in the past topic bans as well. Thank you for caring. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::Your topic ban is "'''banned from all articles''', discussions, and other content related to the '''Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed''' across all namespaces" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitration%2FPalestine-Israel_articles&diff=485920582&oldid=485512797]. So its not only articles about I-P conflict , but also Syrian-Israeli conflict. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 00:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::You are right and thank you for clearing that up! Thank you for caring and not losing your watchful eye. Sorry to see you have not changed your aggressive attitude even for a simple realignment of an image. I would give you a barnstar but that would probably violate my topic ban. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== November 2012 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Balance icon.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] To enforce an [[WP:Arbitration|arbitration]] decision, you have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 year'''. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks#Arbitration enforcement blocks|guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks]] and follow the instructions there to appeal your block. [[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC) <hr/>'''Notice to administrators:''' In a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=349940199#Motions_regarding_Trusilver_and_Arbitration_Enforcement March 2010 decision], the Committee held that "Administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]]). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification|proper page]]. Any administrator that overturns an enforcement action outside of these circumstances shall be subject to appropriate sanctions, up to and including desysopping, at the discretion of the Committee."</div>
*[[User:Nableezy]] point out that your series of edits reveverted your intial changes. I failed to see that. I have unblocked you, and I sincerely apologize for my error.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I've updated the Ron Nachman page. I'm sure that this technically violates the ban but hope that editors and admins will understand the insertion of this and finalized personal neutral information later. Thanks. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

== 2013 election ==

See [[Talk:Israeli_legislative_election,_2013#Table_width|here]] for discussion needing input.--[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 20:39, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Eliezer Igra]] ==

Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biography of a living person]]: '''[[Eliezer Igra]]'''. The community has decided that all new biographies of living persons must contain a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article as per our [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiability policy]]. Please add [[WP:REF|references]] as soon as possible. Thanks! --[[User:LaraBot|LaraBot]] ([[User talk:LaraBot|talk]]) 00:11, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks bot, the article has been expanded.--[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 19:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
== Files missing description details ==

<div style="padding:5px; background-color:#E1F1DE;">'''Dear uploader:''' The media files you uploaded as:
*[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg]]
*[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank2.jpg]]
are missing a description and/or other details on their image description pages. If possible, please add this information. This will help other editors make better use of the images, and they will be more informative to readers.

If the information is not provided, the images may eventually be proposed for [[Wikipedia:Guide to image deletion|deletion]],
a situation which is not desirable, and which can easily be avoided.

If you have any questions, please see [[Help:Image page#Description of the image|Help:Image page]]. Thank you. [[User:Theo's Little Bot|Theo's Little Bot]] ([[User:Theo's Little Bot#Tasks|error?]]) 09:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC) </div>

== Talkback: you've got messages! ==

{{Talkback|User_talk:Theo's_Little_Bot|images|ts=by [[User:Theopolisme|Theopolisme]] at 22:49, 14 April 2013 (UTC)}}

== [[Shomer Masoret]] ==

Hi, I know that you are a good writer on Israeli topics, and would like to ask you, [[Shomer Masoret]] is my own work which i'm not satisfied with (Especially the content in context of form of translation as not being a native English speaker etc.). It's an important Israeli topic (39% of Israeli define themselves "Shomer Masoret"/Masorti", though it's not a movement, but rather a "Self Description" phenomenon). Can you help improve this article ? or can you recommend any user who is knowledgeable on [[Mizrahi]]/relgious topics in Israel? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 14:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:Legitimate article. Please add some references, I will try to edit in the next few days. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you :-) --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 07:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

What's up with editing the article [[Shomer Masoret]] ? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 18:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[David Lau]] ==


Hello, Shuki. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, [[David Lau]], for deletion because it's a [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biography of a living person]] that lacks references. If you don't want David Lau to be deleted, please [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|add a reference]] to the article.

If you don't understand this message, you can leave a note on [[User_talk:Ghostboy1997|my talk page]].

Thanks, [[User:Ghostboy1997|Ghostboy1997]] ([[User talk:Ghostboy1997|talk]]) 02:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
:are u kidding me? he was elected [[Chief Rabbi of Israel]]. i don't think it's so hard to find references online. instead of delete this article who clearly have to be, find the information there. [[User:TZivyA|TZivyA]] ([[User talk:TZivyA|talk]]) 23:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== Would you like to expand [[Four Mothers (movement)]]? ==

hi shuki, would you be intrested in helping expand [[Four Mothers (movement)]]? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 11:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:Sorry. I don't have enough information on this group. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

== Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter ==

<div style="border: 2px dashed #ADC2E4; margin: 1px; padding: 1em 2% 1em">
<center><big><big><big>'''''[[Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/October2013|Books and Bytes]]'''''</big>
Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013
[[File:Eurasian_Eagle-Owl_Maurice_van_Bruggen.JPG|100px]]
by {{user|The Interior}}, {{user|Ocaasi}}</center>
<big>'''Greetings [[WP:TWL|Wikipedia Library]] members!'''</big> Welcome to the inaugural edition of ''Books and Bytes'', TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of ''Books and Bytes'', please add your name to [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/Recipients|the subscriber's list]]. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved...
'''New positions:''' Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, or a Volunteer Wikipedia Librarian
'''Wikipedia Loves Libraries:''' Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted.
'''New subscription donations:''' Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis??
'''New ideas:''' OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges
'''News from the library world:''' Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY
'''Announcing WikiProject Open:''' WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions
'''New ways to get involved:''' Visiting scholar requirements; subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration 
<big>[[Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/October2013|Read the full newsletter]]</big> 
''Thanks for reading! All future newsletters will be '''opt-in''' only. Have an item for the next issue? Leave a note for the editor on the [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/Suggestions|Suggestions page]]. --[[User:The Interior|The Interior]] 21:22, 27 October 2013 (UTC)''
</div>


== Topic ban (2) ==

You need to stop making those edits, per your topic ban. Thanks. [[User:Nomoskedasticity|Nomoskedasticity]] ([[User talk:Nomoskedasticity|talk]]) 20:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:My topic ban is pertaining to the IP articles, not political parties. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:09, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::Your topic ban is to the Arab-Israeli conflict. If you think [[Neo-Zionism]] is not pertinent to the Arab-Israeli conflict, well that's just odd. And surely not plausible, say for example at AE. [[User:Nomoskedasticity|Nomoskedasticity]] ([[User talk:Nomoskedasticity|talk]]) 20:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::You just reverted me without reading anything.
:::The parties that are categorized are described as Neo-Zionists is the article Neo-Zionist and this is sourced. For some articles it was even mentionned in the article itself.
:::Neo-Zionism movement rejects the idea of a Palestinian State and consider Eretz-Israel comprises (at minimum) the totality of former Mandate Palestine. This is therefore a topic that is linked to the I-P conflict.
:::If you don't self-revert, I assume that you will be blocked.
:::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 20:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::::You're dragging me into the specific area that I am not allowed to edit in, and that was not my intention at all. You might notice that I have respected the TBAN over the past year and have no intention of breaking it. As per the reverts, gimme some time, I will return with the permission I received from admin about this. If I am mistaken, I can make the reverts. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:24, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Hello,
:::::I didn't "drag" you anywhere. I even never met you. You jumped there alone.
:::::Anyway, there is no hurry and I don't see any issue if you discuss this with admins as long as you take care of your actions, discuss in talk pages and don't transform these articles in a WP:BATTLEGROUND for ideological reasons.
:::::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 20:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Reverted all the articles I had edited today. I don't have time to get into that. Eventually, will probably will issue an appeal to AE, but would like to continue the WP vacation this TBAN has afforded a bit longer. I remember now what a battleground you guys still think this is and thank you too for watching out for me. Pluto, I think I know who you were. Please be careful. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:41, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I formerly edited wikipedia under the account "ceedjee".
:::::::What are your concerns with the fact to create the category "Neo-Zionism" and to add there the political parties and movements as well as some people who adhere to this philosophy ?
:::::::You asked for WP:RS for this but :
:::::::* most are referred as such (with sources) on the article [[Neo-Zionism]].
:::::::* have in mind that scholars share the spectrum in 3 parts : Zionists, Post-Zionists and Neo-Zionists. Each party should be somewhere in one of these third. (There are few Anti-Zionist parties in Israel, if any).
:::::::If you give precise concerns for one given article (one at at time), I don't mind discussing this with you.
:::::::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 06:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:I can't discuss that issue with you because the pro-___ warriors will chew me out like they did the rest. FWIW, in general of course, it is OR to label / cat articles about people and organizations that are not labeled with that term widely, and perhaps by one or only a few writers, if they are mentioned specifically. ANd it is OR to construe by their minority definition of a term and then place it on everything that might then fit the definition, even if it was never mentioned explicitly, or even existed at the time of the author's mention. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 16:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
::I agree with your analysis.
::But sincerely, I don't think we are on the wrong side of the red line.
::* The reference that I used for the political parties is [[Anita Shapira]] and 2 other scholars. These are not Post-Zionists (ideological adversaries of Neo-Zionists) and these are not just journalists but academics who specialized on the Israeli society.
::* For Im Titzu, they describe themselves as such on their website and other do so too.
::* There was already a category named "Kahanism" (much more discussable from my point of view) that I englobed in this one.
::* The only litiguous case that I see is that I extended the category a little bit to cases without trying to find sources but as a consequence I restricted myself to cases where, if I don't check for sources, it cannot be denied they concern Neo-Zionism (ex. [[Professors for a Strong Israel]], [[Aryeh Eldad]], [[Movement for Greater Israel]]...). I don't think it is WP:OR. It is rather a case of "reference needed" at worse. And if somebody disagrees, I will just ask me to chose a better option between : Anti-Zionism, Post-Zionism, Secular Zionism or Zionism...
::NB: I am sorry for your topic ban. The I-P arena is really unpleasant and "staying <s>alive</s>" unbanned is a miracle. I you fear that this discussion could cause you trouble or tire you, there is no need to go on this right now. [[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 17:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

== The Wikipedia Library Survey ==

As a subscriber to one of [[WP:TWL|The Wikipedia Library]]'s programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this [https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_23JuoVF5e7dgDl3 '''brief survey.'''] Thanks and cheers, [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]] [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]] 15:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


{{YGM|sig=[[User:Atefrat|@Efrat]] ([[User talk:Atefrat|talk]]) 06:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC)}}
: Sorry, I must have missed that. Please resend if still relevant. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:35, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== CfD nomination of [[:Category:{{ucfirst:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|40px|left]]
'''[[:Category:{{ucfirst:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}]]''' has been nominated for {{#ifeq:|yes|deletion|{{#ifeq:|yes|merging|{{#ifeq:|yes|renaming|deletion, merging, or renaming}}}}}}. You are encouraged to join the '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion{{#if:2014 April 8|/Log/2014 April 8}}#{{#if:1917 in the Palestinian territories|1917 in the Palestinian territories|Category:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}|discussion]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|Categories for discussion]] page. [[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 17:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know. I have an opinion on this but I have yet to bother to appeal the TBAN that I'd be violating to comment there. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

== Your topic ban ==
*[[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_1#4th_and_6th_centuries_in_Israel]]
As you note in the thread directly above, you shouldn't have commented in this discussion. As such, your comments were not considered in the closure.

I strongly encourage you to not do this again, as another admin might have sanctioned you rather than merely giving this warning, based upon your past history, for example.

If you have any concerns about this message, feel free to start a thread at [[WP:AN], where I welcome community review of my words here. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:Thank you for watching out. My topic ban is not for Israeli history issues, so I suggest you first describe here how you justified this judge-jury decision without approaching me in good faith. Per AGF, my 'past history' is over a year ago and I expect a bit more consideration. If I take it to ANI, is it technically possible to regenerate the comment for ANI (not the cat discussion that is closed)? It seems to have been deleted and not in my contribution history either. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 22:33, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
::Right page, wrong thread. I've corrected the link. My apologies for any misunderstanding.
::And I'll leave others to decide how to interpret "broadly construed". As I merely left a warning and not a [[WP:BLOCK]]. Please feel free to ask arbcom for a clarification at your discretion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 19:44, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
:::It would have been easier to ask the admin who closed the tban and let me edit Israel articles. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 19:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

== President and Rector at [[Ariel University]] ==

Hello. Thank you so much for creating [[Ariel University]] a few years ago. I would love to give a lecture there one day. I have added President [[Yehuda Danon]] and Rector [[Shmuel Shacham]] to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Biography/By_profession#Academics articles for creation]. I don't have time to create them right now, but would you? Please let me know if you do. Also, I saw your message at the top, but much easier for me if you reply on my talkpage. Thank you.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 11:15, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
==File source problem with File:MaalehMichmas2.jpg==
[[File:Copyright-problem.svg|64px|left|alt=|link=]]
Thank you for uploading '''[[:File:MaalehMichmas2.jpg]]'''. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the [[copyright]] status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. Please add this information by editing the [[:File:MaalehMichmas2.jpg|image description page]].

If the necessary information is not added within the next days, the image will be deleted. If the file is already gone, you can still make a [[Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion|request for undeletion]] and ask for a chance to fix the problem.

Please refer to the '''[[WP:IUP#Adding images|image use policy]]''' to learn what images you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. Please also check any other files you have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a [{{fullurl:Special:Log|type=upload&user=Shuki}} list of your uploads]. If you have any questions or are in need of assistance please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you. [[User:Kelly|'''Kelly''']] [[User talk:Kelly|hi!]] 07:45, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

== Global account ==

Hi Shuki! As a [[:m:Stewards|Steward]] I'm involved in the upcoming [[:m:Help:Unified login|unification]] of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see [[:m:Single User Login finalisation announcement]]). By looking at [[Special:CentralAuth/Shuki|your account]], I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on [[Special:MergeAccount]] and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my [[User talk:DerHexer|talk page]]. Cheers, —[[User:DerHexer|DerHexer]] [[User talk:DerHexer|(Talk)]] 22:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
==Orphaned non-free image File:Amdocs early90s.jpg==
'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|⚠|link=]]''' Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:Amdocs early90s.jpg]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).

Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in the [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#F5|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 22:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
==Orphaned non-free image File:Amdocs late90s.jpg==
'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|⚠|link=]]''' Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:Amdocs late90s.jpg]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).

Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in the [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#F5|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 22:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

== Help on [[Alternative Kosher]] ==

Hi, can you help me on [[Alternative Kosher]] ? I'd like you to review this new article I started since i'm not a native English speaker, and also see what you can expand it...? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 13:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

== FYI ==

[[WP:ARBPIA3]] is now open and evidence can be submitted until September 8. [[Special:Contributions/62.90.5.221|62.90.5.221]] ([[User talk:62.90.5.221|talk]]) 09:19, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Orange S.A.

2016-01-02T22:30:05Z

Shuki: /* Mobile */ Partner to part with Orange

{{Use dmy dates|date=October 2012}}
{{Infobox company
| name = Orange S.A.
| logo = [[File:Orange logo.svg|150px]]
| type = [[S.A. (corporation)|Société Anonyme]]
| traded_as = {{Euronext|ORA|FR0000133308|XPAR}} {{nyse|ORAN}} {{BIT|isin=FR0000133308|ORA}}
| foundation = 1988 (spun off from governmental control)
| location = [[15th arrondissement of Paris|15th arrondissement]], Paris, France
| area_served = Worldwide
| key_people = Stéphane Richard (Chairman and CEO) Iran Campbell Jr. (Board Member)
| industry = [[Telecommunication]]s
| products = [[Landline|Landline telephony]], [[mobile phone|mobile telephony]], [[Internet service provider|fixed internet]], mobile internet, [[IPTV|IP television]], [[Information technology|IT services]], [[Orange Livebox|Livebox]]
| revenue = {{decrease}} [[Euro|€]] 39.445 billion (2014)<ref name="AR2012">{{cite web|url=http://www.orange.com/en/content/download/10705/237246/version/3/file/Notes+annexes+Vdef+anglais+19022013+-+mise+en+ligne.pdf |title=Annual Results 2012 |publisher=France Télécom |date=20 February 2013 |accessdate=7 August 2013}}</ref>
| operating_income = {{decrease}} € {{0|0}}4.063 billion (2012)<ref name="AR2012"/>
| net_income = {{decrease}} € {{0|0}}1.23 billion (2014)<ref name="AR2012"/>
| assets = {{decrease}} € 89.980 billion (2012)<ref name="AR2012"/>
| equity = {{decrease}} € 24.306 billion (2012)<ref name="AR2012"/>
| owner = French State (23%) Free float (68%)
| num_employees = 157,000 (2015)<ref name="Orange.jobs">{{cite web|url=http://orange.jobs/site/get-to-know-us-better/index.htm |title=Get to know us better |publisher=Orange Jobs |accessdate=7 August 2013}}</ref>
| parent =
| subsid = [[EE Limited]] (50% stake with [[Deutsche Telekom]]) [[Orange Marine]]
| homepage = [http://www.orange.com/ www.orange.com]
| intl = yes
}}

'''Orange S.A.''', formerly '''France Télécom S.A.''', is a French [[multinational corporation|multinational]] telecommunications [[corporation]]. It currently employs about 170,000 people, 105,000 of them in France, and has 230 million customers worldwide.<ref name="Orange.jobs"/> In 2012, the group had revenue of €43.5 billion.<ref name="AR2012"/> Its head office is in the [[15th arrondissement of Paris|15th arrondissement]] of Paris, and the current CEO is [[Stéphane Richard]]. The company is a component of the [[Euro Stoxx 50]] [[stock market index]].<ref>[http://www.boerse-frankfurt.de/en/equities/indices/euro+stoxx+50+EU0009658145/constituents Frankfurt Stock Exchange]</ref>

Orange has been the company's main brand for [[mobile phone|mobile]], [[landline]], [[internet]] and [[IPTV]] services since 2006. The brand originated in 1994 when [[Hutchison Whampoa]] acquired a controlling stake in [[Orange (UK)|Microtel Communications]] during the early 1990s and rebranded it as Orange. It became a subsidiary of [[Mannesmann]] in 1999 and was acquired by France Télécom in 2000. The company was rebranded as Orange in July 2013.<ref name="Name change"/>
{{TOC limit|3}}

==History==

=== Nationalised service (1970s–1980s) ===
In 1792, under the [[French Revolution]], the first communication network was developed to enable the rapid transmission of information in a warring and unsafe country. That was the optical [[telegraphy]] network of [[Claude Chappe]].

In 1878, after the invention of the electrical telegraph and then the invention of the telephone, the French State created a [[Postes, télégraphes et téléphones (France)|Ministry of Posts and Telegraphs]]. Telephone Services were added to the ministry when they were nationalised in 1889. However, it was not until 1923 that the second 'T' (for 'telephones') appeared and the department of P&T became PTT.

In 1941, a General Direction of Telecommunications was created within this ministry. Then, in 1944, the National Centre of Telecommunications Studies (CNET) was created to develop the telecommunications industry in France.

In the 1970s, France tried extra hard to make up its delay on other countries with the programme "delta LP" (increasing the main lines). It was at the time when the majority of the local loop was built; that is all the cables linking the users to the operator. Moreover, with the help of French manufacturers, digital switching, the [[Minitel]] and the [[GSM]] standard were invented by engineers and CNET researchers.

=== Creation of France Télécom (1988–1997) ===
Until 1988, France Télécom was known as the ''Direction Générale des Télécommunications'', a division of the [[Postes, télégraphes et téléphones (France)|Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications]]. It became autonomous in 1990. This was in response to a European directive, aimed at making competition mandatory in public services from 1 January 1998. The 2 July 1990 Bill changed France Télécom into an operator of public law, with Marcel Roulet the first Chairman. Since then, the company has a separate body corporate from the State and acquire a financial autonomy. It was privatised by [[Lionel Jospin]]'s [[Plural Left]] government starting on 1 January 1998. The [[Cabinet of France|French government]], both directly and through its [[holding company]] [[ERAP]], continues to hold a stake of almost 27% in the company. In addition, the government Conseil of Ministers names the CEO.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.orange.com/en/finance/stock-dividend-and-capital|title=Shareholding structure|publisher=France Telecom|accessdate=6 April 2009}}</ref> In 1982 Telecom introduced [[Minitel]] [[Online shopping|online ordering]] for its customers.
In September 1995, [[Michel Bon]] was appointed to run France Télécom Group.

=== 'Roaring Nineties' (1997–2000) ===
In 1997, the capital of the new public company was successfully floated whereas the [[dot-com bubble]] phenomenon made the [[stock exchange]]s bullish. A second share offering occurred in 1998.
France Télécom got behind in the internationalization launched by its international competitors such as [[Vodafone]], thus, it started looking for targets at the highest [[speculation]] rate of the dot-com bubble. Moreover, its alliance with [[Deutsche Telekom]] based on a reciprocal capital contribution of 2% broke off when Deutsche Telekom announced that they were planning to do business with [[Telecom Italia]] without letting the French know – even if this project ended up failing.

=== Acquisition of Orange and privatization===
{{see also|Orange (UK)#History}}
<timeline>

#init

ImageSize = width:1000 height:250
PlotArea = left:95 right:40 bottom:20 top:20
TimeAxis = orientation:horizontal format:mm/yyyy
AlignBars = late

DateFormat = dd/mm/yyyy
Period = from:31/12/1989 till:01/06/2011

#colors
Colors =
id:canvas value:gray(0.95) # background for whole image
id:bars value:gray(0.95) # background for bars
id:grid1 value:rgb(0.4,0.6,0.4) # major grid
id:grid2 value:rgb(0.80,0.80,1) # minor grid
id:gray value:gray(0.6) # for colophon
id:gray2 value:gray(0.5) # for text

BackgroundColors = canvas:canvas bars:bars
ScaleMajor = gridcolor:grid1 unit:year increment:1 start:31/12/1989
ScaleMinor = gridcolor:grid2 unit:month increment:3 start:31/12/1989

#Bar
BarData =
bar:Nom text:Name
bar:Actionnaires text:Shareholders
bar:Faits text:Key facts

#plot

PlotData=
bar:Nom from:start till:01/04/1994 color:redorange text:"Communications Microtel Ltd" align:center align:center width:45
bar:Nom from:01/04/1994 till:01/08/2000 color:orange text:"Orange plc" align:center align:center width:45
bar:Nom from:01/08/2000 till:end color:redorange text:"Orange SA" align:center align:center width:45
bar:Actionnaires from:start till:01/07/1991 color:redorange text:"Communications ~Microtel Ltd" align:center width:45
bar:Actionnaires from:01/07/1991 till:01/01/1996 color:orange text:"Hutchison Whampoa" align:center width:45
bar:Actionnaires from:01/01/1996 till:01/09/1999 color:redorange text:"Hutchison Whampoa ~and ~British Aerospace" align:center width:45
bar:Actionnaires from:01/09/1999 till:01/11/1999 color:orange text:"~Mannesmann AG" align:center width:45
bar:Actionnaires from:01/11/1999 till:01/08/2000 color:redorange text:"Vodafone" align:center width:45
bar:Actionnaires from:01/08/2000 till:end color:orange text:"France Télécom" align:center width:45
bar:Faits from:13/02/2001 till:13/02/2001 color:black text:"French stock exchange introdution" width:50 fontsize:M
bar:Faits from:01/06/2001 till:01/06/2001 color:black text:"~ ~Itinéris, Ola and ~Mobicarte become Orange" width:50 fontsize:M
bar:Faits from:01/06/2006 till:01/06/2006 color:black text:"Wanadoo becomes Orange" width:50 fontsize:M
bar:Faits from:21/11/2003 till:21/11/2003 color:black text:"~Exits Paris Stock Exchange" width:50 fontsize:M
bar:Faits from:01/11/2008 till:01/11/2008 color:black text:"~Orange Cinéma Séries ~and Orange Sport ~launch" width:50 fontsize:M

</timeline>

In July 1991, [[Hutchinson Telecom]], a UK subsidiary of the [[Hong Kong]]-based conglomerate [[Hutchison Whampoa]] acquires a controlling stake in [[Microtel Communications Ltd]], who by then had won a license to develop a mobile network in United Kingdom.<ref name=OBS-H-04/><ref name=OBS-H-35/><ref name="Hutchinson actionnaire majoritaire microtel">{{cite web|url=http://www.vodafonews.com/orange-royaume-uni.html |title=Vodafonews est un site non officiel de Vodafone |publisher=Vodafonews.com |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> Hutchison renamed Microtel as Orange Personal Communications Services Ltd, and on 28 April 1994 the Orange brand was launched in the UK mobile phone market. A [[holding company]] structure was adopted in 1995 with the establishment of Orange plc. In April 1996, Orange went public and floated on the [[London Stock Exchange]] and [[NASDAQ]],<ref name=OBS-H-38/> majority owned by Hutchison (48.22%),<ref name=OBS-H-36/><ref name=OBS-H-37/> followed by BAe (21.1%).<ref name=OBS-H-38/> In June 1996, it becomes the youngest company to enter the [[FTSE 100 Index|FTSE 100]], valued at £2.4 billion. And by July 1997, the growth strategy pays off and Orange reaches one million customers with the lowest churn rate, and best margins among its competitors.

In October 1999 the German conglomerate - [[Mannesmann|Mannesmann AG]] acquired Orange for a price equivalent to €7,900 per customer, i.e. US$33 billion.<ref name=OBS-H-10/><ref name=OBS-H-17/><ref name="Mannesman rachete Orange pour 33 milliards de dollars">{{cite news| url=http://money.cnn.com/1999/10/21/europe/orange/ |publisher=CNN | title=$36B Orange consumed | date=21 October 1999}}</ref> The Mannesmann's acquisition of Orange triggered [[Vodafone]] to make a [[takeover|hostile takeover]] bid for the German company. Shortly thereafter, in February 2000, Vodafone acquired Mannesmann for US$183 billion and, decided to divest Orange as the [[Regulation (European Union)|EU regulation]]s wouldn't allow it to hold two mobile licences.<ref name=OBS-H-18>{{cite news|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/630293.stm | title=Vodafone seals Mannesmann merger | publisher =BBC | date = 11 February 2000 | accessdate =26 December 2008}}</ref>

In August 2000 [[France Télécom]] bought Orange plc from [[Vodafone]] for a total estimated cost of €39.7 billion.<ref name=OBS-H-20/><ref name=OBS-H-21>{{cite news|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/769293.stm | title=France Telecom clinches Orange deal| publisher =BBC | date = 30 May 2000 | accessdate =9 June 2012}}</ref><ref name="France Telecom rachete Orange">{{cite web|url=http://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/entreprise/france-telecom-boucle-le-rachat-d-orange_85805.html |title=TELECOMS : France Télécom boucle le rachat d?Orange - LExpansion.com |publisher=Lexpansion.lexpress.fr |date=2000-08-22 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> At the time, France Télécom also bought stakes in several other international firms (GlobalOne, [[Orange Business Services|Equant]], Internet Telecom, [[Freeserve]], EresMas, [[NTL Incorporated|NTL]], Mobilcom) some of which have since been sold back. Through this process, it became the fourth biggest global operator.The mobile telephone operations of Orange plc are merged with the majority of the mobile operations of France Télécom, forming the new group Orange SA.

On 13 February 2001, Orange SA is listed in an initial public offering on the [[Euronext Paris]] stock exchange at a price per share of 95 Euros, with a secondary listing in London.<ref name="France 3 entrée en bourse Orange" /> In May 2001, Orange SA is listed in the [[CAC 40]],<ref name="prix de l'action Orange à l'introduction en bourse">{{cite web|url=http://www.silicon.fr/opa-sur-orange-et-wanadoo-les-petits-porteurs-sont-en-colere-4380.html |title=OPA sur Orange et Wanadoo : les petits porteurs sont en colère | Silicon |publisher=Silicon.fr |date=24 February 2004 |accessdate=29 April 2013}}</ref> the benchmark stock market index of the top 40 French companies in terms of [[market capitalisation]].<ref name="Notices Euronext entrée Orange">{{pdf|[http://www.bnains.org/archives/histocac/avis/DA2001_1344FR.pdf Orange IPO on Euronext]}}</ref>

In June 2001 the France Telecom Mobile brands ([[Itinéris]], [[OLA (Mobile phone)|OLA]], [[Mobicarte]]) were replaced by the Orange brand. On 21 November 2003, France Telecom withdrew the 13.7% of Orange’s shares traded on the Paris stock exchange.<ref>[http://www.boursier.com/actions/actualites/news/orange-l-adam-gagne-un-sursis-jusqu-a-l-examen-de-ses-recours-80195.html L'Adam gagne un sursis jusqu'à l'examen de ses recours]</ref>

On 2 October 2002, the CEO, [[Thierry Breton]] was called to turn the company around after the company became crippled by debt resulting in share price collapsing to €6.94 on 30 September 2002 where it had been €219 on 2 March 2000. France Télécom was the second most indebted company worldwide in terms of short-term liabilities. He obtained 15 billion of debt adjustment that needed to be borne by banks and investors, another 15 billion of capital increase claimed to the State since it was still the majority shareholder, and an additional 15 billion of cash to be found from internal savings. On 25 February 2005, he was appointed [[Minister of the Economy, Industry and Employment (France)|Minister of Finance and Industry]] and replaced as CEO by [[Didier Lombard]], who had been head of the firm's new technologies division.<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aWQM6cGZu.Uw&refer=europe|title=France Telecom Names Lombard Chief Executive, Replacing Breton|last=Ruitenberg|first=Rudy|date=27 February 2005|work=[[Bloomberg L.P.|Bloomberg]]|accessdate=6 April 2009}}</ref>

=== NeXT scheme and rebranding to Orange (2006–present) ===
[[File:France Télécom.svg|210px|thumb|Logo of France Télécom from 2006 until 2013.]]
The NeXT scheme was the recovery plan for France Télécom which aimed at, among other things, reducing costs, especially wage costs, carrying on a converging policy for its products and services, and grouping together all the brands under a single brand, except for the activities dealing with fixed line telephone which would stay under the designation 'France Télécom'. Consequently, this led to the disappearance of a number of brands.

From 1 June 2006, France Télécom tried to commercialize all its products under a single world-wide brand, becoming the sole brand of the France Telecom group for Internet, television and mobile services in the majority of countries in which Orange operated. Orange Business Services became the brand for all its business services offerings worldwide, replacing the Equant brand. In June 2007, Orange and [[Mid Europa Partners]] acquire Austrian mobile network company One, re-branding it as [[Orange Austria]]. In 2012 this network is sold to [[Hutchison 3G]] and the Orange Austria brand is terminated.<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.mideuropa.com/media/news/2012/mid-europa-announces-agreement-for-the-sale-of-orange-austria-to-hutchison-3g-austria/ | title=Mid Europa Announces Agreement for The Sale of Orange Austria to Hutchison 3G Austria | date=3 February 2012 | accessdate=7 August 2013}}</ref>

In November 2008 Orange launched five Orange Cinema Series channels. To do so, Orange bought the exclusive rights from [[Warner Bros.]].<ref name="Orange achete les droits de Warner Bros., Gaumont et HBO">{{cite web|url=http://www.echosdunet.net/dossiers/dossier_1914_le+torchon+brule+entre+orange+canal%2B.html |title=Le torchon brûle entre Orange et Canal+ Orange FAI |publisher=Echos du Net |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> for first runs of all new films, previously held by [[TPS Star]] (a subsidiary of the [[Canal+ Group]]), as well as all films in its catalogue and rights to the film catalogues of [[Gaumont Film Company|Gaumont]], [[HBO]]<ref name="Orange achète les droits de HBO">{{cite web|author=Babamanga |url=http://www.tvchronik.com/2008/04/08/les-futures-series-de-hbo-sur-orange/ |title=Les futures séries de HBO sur Orange |publisher=TV Chronik |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> and [[Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer|MGM]].<ref name="Orange achete les droits de MGM">{{cite web|author=ARIASE |url=http://www.ariase.com/fr/news/vod-orange-mgm-article-1377.html |title=VoD : Orange et MGM signent un accord |publisher=Ariase.com |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> Orange also secured exclusive rights to broadcast Saturday evening [[Ligue 1]] football matches from the [[French Football Federation]].<ref name="Orange a les droits de la ligue 1 sur le match du samedi soir">{{cite web|url=http://www.maxifoot.fr/football/article-7269.htm |title=Football - MAXIFOOT : Droits TV : Orange remporte la seconde manche |publisher=Maxifoot.fr |date=2009-05-16 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> [[SFR]] (a subsidiary of Canal +). [[Free (ISP)|Free]] accuses Orange of tied-selling because the Orange channels are only available to its subscribers.<ref name="SFR et Free portent plainte contre Orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.capital.fr/bourse/actualites/orange-suspend-la-commercialisation-d-orange-sport-365085 |title=Orange suspend la commercialisation d'Orange Sport |language= fr |publisher=Capital.fr |date=2013-04-25 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> In June 2008, the firm abandoned a €27 billion bid for Swedish operator [[TeliaSonera]] after the two companies failed to agree terms.<ref>{{cite web|last=Gow |first=David |url=http://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/jul/01/telecomindustry |title=TeliaSonera: France Télécom hangs up on Swedish operator |publisher=The Guardian |date=1 July 2008 |accessdate=9 April 2009}}</ref>

In 2008 Orange was given permission from [[Apple Inc.|Apple]] to sell the [[iPhone]] in Austria, Belgium, the Dominican Republic, Egypt, Jordan, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Switzerland and Orange's African markets.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.francetelecom.com/en_EN/press/press_releases/cp080516uk.html |title= Orange brings iPhone to customers in Europe, Africa and the Middle East |publisher=Orange| date=16 May 2008 |accessdate=20 May 2006}}</ref> On 8 September 2009, Orange and [[T-Mobile]] parent [[Deutsche Telekom]] announced they were in advanced talks to merge their UK operations to create the largest mobile operator with 37% of the market. Both T-Mobile and Orange brands will be kept due to the differences in targeted market. T-Mobile will remain the budget conscious offering and Orange the premium one although there is some overlap as of February 2011.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8243226.stm |title=T-Mobile and Orange in UK merger |publisher=BBC News |date=8 September 2009 |accessdate=2 May 2010}}</ref>

On 5 April 2009 Orange won an Arbitration Court case against Orascom Telecom, forcing Orascom to transfer its stake in Mobinil to Orange at a price of [[Egyptian pound|E£]]441,658 per Mobinil share.<ref>[http://www.orange.com/en_EN/press/press_releases/cp090405en.html Orange.com]</ref> On 28 October 2009 Orange changed the name of its Luxembourgish telecommunication company [[VOXMobile]] to Orange.<ref>[http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/ondernemingen_media_telecom/VOX_(Mobistar)_wordt_Orange_.8247906-435.art De Tijd, 20 October 2009]</ref> On 5 November 2009 [[Orange Armenia]], 100% subsidiary of France Telecom, launched telecommunication services in [[Armenia]].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.orangearmenia.am/en/about-orange-armenia/index.php |title=Orange Armenia Official Website}}</ref> On 11 December 2009 Egypt's regulator approved an offer from a unit of France Telecom (Orange) to buy Mobinil.<ref>[http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSGEE5B92JZ20091210 Reuters.com]</ref> In 2010 Orange changes CEO. Didier Lombard is replaced by Stéphane Richard.<ref name="Stéphane Richard replace Didier Lombard">{{cite web|url=http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2011/02/11/04015-20110211ARTFIG00440-le-president-de-france-telecom-tire-sa-reverence.php |title=Le président de France Télécom tire sa révérence |publisher=Lefigaro.fr |date=2011-01-20 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> The company is also reorganised internally, most notably with the arrival of former Culture Minister Christine Albanel as head of communications for the group.<ref name="Christine Albanel rejoint Orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2010/02/19/04015-20100219ARTFIG00559-christine-albanel-rejoint-france-telecom-.php |title=Christine Albanel rejoint France Télécom |publisher=Lefigaro.fr |date=2010-02-19 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> In mid-April 2010 Orange UK announced that it would outsource the management of its broadband network to BT. This announcement was greeted positively by broadband commentators, who felt that the move was likely to improve Orange's broadband quality and customer services.<ref>{{cite web|author= |url=http://www.choose.net/media/guide/news/orange-broadband-outsource-to-bt.html |title=Orange's successful broadband outsourcing |publisher=Choose.net |date=2011-10-21 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>

On 2 March 2012 [[Didier Lombard]], who remained special advisor to {{Ill|fr|Stéphane Richard}}, left the company.<ref name="Stephane Richarge quitte Orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.france24.com/fr/20110302-didier-lombard-quitte-france-telecom-conseiller-special-salaire-polemique-suicide# |title=Didier Lombard quitte définitivement France Telecom - TÉLÉCOMMUNICATIONS |publisher=FRANCE 24 |date=2011-03-02 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> His departure was shadowed by controversy over his stock options: he was suspected of having stayed with the company longer to wait for the France Telecom share to recover and then exercise his stock option. The share was trading at around €16, whereas his stock options were at €23.<ref name="Détails départ de Stephane Richard">{{cite web|url=http://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/entreprise/polemique-autour-du-placard-dore-de-didier-lombard_249546.html |title=Polémique autour du placard doré de Didier Lombard - LExpansion.com |publisher=Lexpansion.lexpress.fr |date=2011-02-24 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref> On 3 February 2012, [[Hutchison Whampoa]] announced that it would buy [[Orange Austria]] for US$1.7 billion.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16866032 |title=Hutchison to buy Orange Austria as it seeks expansion |publisher=BBC News |date=2 March 2012 |accessdate=31 August 2013}}</ref> The deal closed on 3 January 2013,<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/03/us-hutchison-orange-austria-idUSBRE9020BR20130103 |title=Hutchison Whampoa closes acquisition of Orange Austria |publisher=Reuters |date=3 January 2013 |accessdate=31 August 2013 |first=Michael |last=Shields}}</ref> and the Orange brand was phased out on 19 August 2013, when its operations were merged into 3.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/19/us-austria-telecoms-hutchison-idUSBRE97I0AJ20130819 |title=Hutchison keeps rock-bottom tariff after Orange Austria buy |publisher=Reuters |date=19 August 2013 |accessdate=31 August 2013 |first=Georgina |last=Prodhan}}</ref> In March 2012, France Télécom bought 93.9 percent of [[Mobinil]], an Egyptian mobile operator, from [[Naguib Sawiris]]'s Orascom Telecom Media and Technology (OTMT) in an effort to double its revenue in MENA by 2015.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://english.nuqudy.com/North_Africa/France_Telecom_Buys-1989 |title=France Telecom Buys Egypt's Mobinil |publisher=Nuqudy |date=29 May 2012 |accessdate=31 August 2013}}</ref> On 28 May 2013 at the Annual Shareholders' Meeting, shareholders approved changing the name of the group to Orange S.A. This became effective on 1 July 2013.<ref name="Name change">{{cite web|url=http://www.orange.com/en/press/press-releases/press-releases-2013/France-Telecom-to-become-Orange-on-1 July-2013 |title=France Telecom to become Orange on 1 July 2013 |publisher=Orange |date=28 May 2013 |accessdate=14 July 2013}}</ref> In September 2014, Orange agreed a deal to acquire [[Spain|Spanish]] firm [[Jazztel]] for a fee of around €3.4 billion.<ref>{{cite press release | publisher=Reuters| date=15 September 2014| title=Orange strikes 3.4 billion euro deal to buy Spain's Jazztel | url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/15/us-orange-jazztel-idUSKBN0HA1SM20140915}}</ref>

==Shareholders==
The major shareholders of Orange as of 24 July 2013 are Fonds stratégique d'investissement, who own 13.5%, the French state, who own 13.45%, Orange employees, who own 4.81%, and the company itself, who own 0.58%.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://europeanequities.nyx.com/en/products/equities/FR0000133308-XPAR/company-information |title=Orange |publisher=NYSE Euronext |accessdate=21 June 2013}}</ref>

==Operations==

===Mobile===
[[File:France Telecom global activities.png|thumb|Orange world activities.]]
[[File:Orange en Europa.png|thumb|Business locations in Europe. [[File:Naranja1.png]] France, Romania, Slovakia and the United Kingdom: leading mobile telephone business. [[File:Naranja2.png]] Belgium, Poland: ranked 2nd in mobile telephony. [[File:Naranja3.png]] Spain: ranked 3rd in mobile telephony.]]
Orange is the sole brand used in the marketing of the company's mobile offers; the Itineris, Ola and Mobicarte brands have been combined since 2001, and Mobicarte became a special prepaid calling offer. As of 31 December 2010, Orange has 150 million mobile customers worldwide, 17.9% of whom are in France40. [[Orange France]] is the leading mobile telecommunications operator in France, with a market share of 45.38% as of 2 November 2009.<ref name="Parts de marché mobile Orange" />

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:#f7f8ff; font-size:95%; border:gray solid 1px;"
|- style="background:#ccc; text-align:center;"
!Country
!Operator
!Share
!Number of customers
!Market share
!Ranking
|-
| {{FRA}} || Orange || 100% || 24 315 000|| 42%<ref name="DDR 2010 - Mobile Orange France" /> || 1st
|-
| {{GBR}} || EE || 50% || 32 000 000|| 37% || 1st
|-
| {{ESP}} || Orange ||99.85% || 11 175 000|| 22.1% || 3rd
|-
| {{BEL}} || Mobistar || 50.2% || 3 359 000|| 32.7% || 2nd
|-
| {{BWA}} || Orange || 73.68% || || ||
|-
| {{CMR}} || Orange ||99.5% || 2 137 000 || 42.% || 2nd
|-
| {{CAF}} || Orange || 100% || || ||
|-
| {{COD}} || Orange || 100% || || ||
|-
| {{CIV}} || Orange || 85% || 4 000 000|| 42.5% || 1st
|-
| {{DOM}} || Orange || 100% || || ||
|-
| {{EGY}} || Mobinil || 98.92% || 20 000 000 || 51.9% || 1st
|-
| {{JOR}} || Orange || 51% || 1 514 000 || 33.7% || 2nd
|-
| {{MDG}} || Orange || 65.9% || 3 800 000 || 63.2% || 1st
|-
| {{MLI}} || Orange || 70.2% || 2 000 000 || 80% || 1st
|-
| {{MUS}} || Orange || 40% || 552 000 || 59% || 1st
|-
| {{MDA}} || Orange ||94.3% || 1 789 000 <ref name="nombre de clients Orange en Moldavie" />|| 64.6% || 1st
|-
| {{POL}} || Orange || 50.21% || 14 700 000 || 30.5% || 1st
|-
| {{ROU}} || Orange || 96.8% || 9 813 000 || 43.6% || 1st
|-
| {{SVK}} || Orange || 100% || 2 864 000 || 49.7% || 1st
|-
| {{KEN}} || Orange || 70% || 600000 || 5% || 3rd
|-
| {{UGA}} ||Orange || 53% || || ||
|-
| {{TUN}} || Orange || 49% || 1 000 000 || 8% || 3rd
|-
| {{GNQ}} || Orange || 40% || || ||
|-
| {{VUT}} || Telecom Vanuatu Limited || 50% || || ||
|-
| {{GIN}} || Orange (Sonatel) || 90% || ||
|-
| {{GNB}} || Orange (Sonatel) || 90% || ||
|-
| {{IRQ}} || [[Korek Telecom]] || 20% || ||
|-
| {{IRI}} || Mobile Telecommunication || 20% || 50 000 000 || 55% || 1st
|-
| {{LUX}} || Orange (Mobistar) || 100% || ||
|-
| {{NER}} || Orange Niger || 82.66% || ||
|-
|}
<center>Number sources : 2007 annual report /1st half 2008 report - Orange.com<ref name="presence Orange dans le monde" /></center>

The Orange brand name is licensed to a number of operators which Orange S.A. does not own, these include:
* {{ISR}} – [[Partner Communications Company]] (Orange Israel), 51% owned by [[Scailex Corporation]]
* {{LIE}} – [[Orange Liechtenstein]], subsidiary of [[Orange Switzerland]], owned by [[Apax Partners]]
* {{ARM}} – [[Orange Armenia]], 100% owned by [[UCOM]]

In April 2015, Orange Switzerland, owned by Iliad S.A., became re-branded as "[[Salt Mobile SA|Salt]]".<ref>https://www.salt.ch/en/about-us/</ref>

In June 2015, Orange announced that it planned to cut ties with its Israeli licensee, Partner Communications Company, within 2 years, at a charge of €90 million.<ref>[http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-orange-to-pay-partner-up-to-90m-1001048877 Orange to pay Partner up to €90m]</ref> At the beginning of January 2016, it was leaked to the media that Partner plans on switching to a new (and still unknown) brand name already in February 2016.<ref name=TheMarker>{{cite news|url=http://www.themarker.com/technation/1.2812669 |script-title=he:תום העידן הכתום: פרטנר  תיפרד מהמותג אורנג' - כבר בפברואר |language=Hebrew|trans_title=End of the Orange Era: Partner to Part With the Orange Brand |date=2 January 2016|date=3 January 2016 |last=Libeskind |first=Kalman |publisher=TheMarker}}</ref>

===Landline and Internet===
{{See also|Livebox}}
Orange took over the landline and Internet businesses of France Telecom and Wanadoo in 2006. Since then, Orange is the sole brand of France Telecom for landline and Internet services worldwide, with a few exceptions, such as [[Mobistar]] in Belgium and [[Orange Polska|TPSA]] in Poland.
Orange’s [[triple play (telecommunications)|triple-play]] broadband Internet offers are supplied through the [[Orange Livebox|Livebox]].
As of 31 December 2010, Orange has 13.7 million broadband ADSL customers worldwide, 67% of whom are in France40.

The [[Orange Livebox|Livebox]] is the [[ADSL modem]] supplied to Orange’s ADSL and FTTH customers in France, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Spain and Tunisia, and to WiMAX customers in Cameroon. It serves as a bridge between the Internet access and the home network through several communication interfaces ([[Bluetooth]], [[Ethernet]], [[Wi-Fi]]). The Livebox has evolved over time. The Livebox 1.0 was replaced by version 1.1, the Mini Livebox, followed by the Livebox 2.0. The newest version is scheduled to be rolled out 2012 41. The Livebox is offered on a monthly contract for €3 per month or for purchase for €59. Number of Liveboxes rented in 2008: 7.3 million, a 12.3% increase in one year.<ref name="Parc Livebox en 2008" />

===Broadcasting===
Beginning in 2003, Orange’s strategy has centred on the acquisition, creation and diffusion of content. This starts with the creation of MaLigne.tv in 2003, later renamed [[Orange TV]], an ADSL television access service and a video on demand service. In 2004, Orange organises a television access service for mobile phones. In 2007, Orange creates {{Ill|fr|Studio 37|Orange studio}} and, in 2008, enters into a partnership with France Televisions to broadcast pre-recorded programming from the public national television and to roll out theme channels for sports, cinema and television series. Dubbed '''Content Everywhere''' in 2008, the content access strategy is announced simultaneously with the launch of the Orange cinema series television channels,<ref name="lancement orange cinema series" /> and aims to offer customers access to all of the company's content, anywhere and from any device.

====Orange Cinema series====
Orange Cinema Series is launched 13 November 2008, along with [[Orange Sport]]; it comprises five channels devoted to movies (Orange Ciné Max, Ciné Happy, Ciné Choc, Ciné Novo, Ciné Géant). The channels primarily show films from the [[Warner Bros.]] and [[HBO]] catalogues. Orange installs additional [[Video on demand|VOD]] services on its channels, allowing viewers to watch programmes broadcast in the previous 30 days whenever they like, as well as supplementary programmes from the previous month.

====Orange Sport====
Orange Sport is launched 13 November 2008. Orange secures the broadcast rights for the Saturday evening lineup of [[Ligue 1]] matches from season 2008/2009 to season 2011/2012, and the rights to home matches of eight [[Serie A]] clubs ([[U.C. Sampdoria]], [[Atalanta B.C.]], [[A.C. ChievoVerona]], [[Reggina]], [[A.C. Siena]], [[U.S. Città di Palermo]], [[Udinese Calcio]] and [[S.S.C. Napoli]]).<ref name="Orange droits serie A foot italien" /> The acquisition of these rights marks the start of competition for sports programs with the Canal+ group.

====Video on demand ====
{{Main|Video on Demand}}
Orange offers services for video on demand access using the Orange decoder, a computer or a mobile phone. Orange offers free programming from the catalogues of available works of France Television,<ref name="Orange propose la VOD France télévision" /> M6<ref name="Orange propose M6 replay" /> and TF1<ref name="Orange propose mytf1" /> for one week after their initial broadcast.

====Online entertainment====

In 1997 France Telecom created Goa, an online entertainment subsidiary. The site is launched as a platform for players of massively multiplayer online games. In 2002 Goa acquires the operating license for [[Dark Age of Camelot]]. In 2007 Goa ceases to be a subsidiary and is merged into Orange. In 2009 Orange refocuses Goa.com on online entertainment and gradually ceases to operate massively multiplayer online games. In August 2010 goa.com disappears to become the Orange Jeux portal.<ref name="Goa devient Orange Jeux" />

===Music===
{{Ill|fr|Liveradio}}: Created by Orange in 2008, Liveradio is a free, live, on-demand IP radio streaming service. Users gain access through this service to more than 10,000 FM and web radio stations and 11,000 podcasts from 100 different countries.

==Subsidiaries, joint ventures and holdings==
[[Image:France Telecom Marine Rene Descartes p1150247.jpg|thumb| [[Orange Marine]] operates [[cable-laying ship]]s]]
Orange is a communications access provider offering customers access through multiple platforms. The four key platforms Orange operates are:
#fixed line telephone, mainly in France and Poland.
#broadband access.
#mobile phone telephony.
#most recently, [[IPTV]], though currently only in France and Spain, with MaLigne TV, now known as Orange TV.

France Télécom merged the different internal divisions managing each platform and now all operate under the Orange brand.<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4635097.stm|title=Wanadoo is to make way for Orange |date=29 June 2005|work=BBC News |accessdate=6 April 2009}}</ref>

===Orange Business Services===
Orange is present in the US through its [[Orange Business Services]] division and its venture capital historical partner [[Innovacom]] as well as two R&D labs: one in [[Boston]] and the other in [[South San Francisco, California]].
[[Image:France Telecom Wellington NZ.jpg|thumb|As a result of [[deregulation]], Orange operates phone booth in Wellington, New Zealand.]]
''OpenTransit'' is Orange's backbone network. It covers Europe, the United States, Japan, Hong Kong, and loops back to Paris.

===EE===
{{Main|EE Limited}}
Orange and [[Deutsche Telekom]] merged their UK businesses in 2010 to form a joint venture branded as EE.<ref name="creation everything everywhere" />
In January 2014 Deutsche Telekom and Orange confirmed their intention to continue operating EE under its existing joint venture structure rather than floating an initital public offering (IPO) as previously speculated.<ref name="EE holds fire on IPO">{{cite web|url=http://www.fiercewireless.com/europe/story/deutsche-telekom-orange-hold-fire-ee-ipo/2014-01-17|title=Deutsche Telekom, Orange hold fire on EE IPO|work=FierceWirelessEurope|accessdate=25 September 2014}}</ref>
It was announced in December, 2014 that talks were being held with the BT Group in the possible acquisition of EE for an estimated £12.5bn.<ref>http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/dec/15/bt-talks-mobile-phone-ee</ref>
On the 5th February it was announced that the BT Group will be acquiring EE in a £12.5bn deal, which will see Orange S.A take a 4% stake in the BT Group. It is expected that the deal will be completed by March 2016.<ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bt-returns-to-mobile-phones-with-125bn-takeover-of-ee-10024907.html | location=London | work=The Independent | first=Simon | last=Neville | title=BT returns to mobile phones with £12.5bn takeover of EE | date=5 February 2015}}</ref>

===Globecast===
[[Globecast]] is a provider of transmission of satellite and production services for professional broadcast, online content and enterprise multimedia. [[GlobeCast World TV]] is a division of Globecast. In 2012, Globecast also began launching a direct to home [[Over-the-top content|OTT]] IPTV service called MyGlobeTV in the United States using NetGem set top boxes.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.globecast.com/globecast-announces-commercial-launch-of-myglobetv-832enp.html |title=GlobeCast Announces Commercial Launch of MyGlobeTV |publisher=GlobeCast |date=1 July 2012 |accessdate=21 June 2013}}</ref><ref>https://www.myglobetv.com/about-us/</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/20/idUS174522+20 April 2012+HUG20120420 |title=NETGEM : Netgem goes Over-the-Top in the United States for GlobeCast |publisher=Reuters |date=20 April 2012 |accessdate=21 June 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last=Hunter |first=Philip |url=http://broadcastengineering.com/news/myglobetv-closed-ott-service-launches-us |title=MyGlobeTV 'closed OTT' service launches in U.S. |publisher=Broadcast Engineering |date=9 July 2012 |accessdate=21 June 2013}}</ref>
The MyGlobeTV service was discontinued In December 2013.<ref>http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php/2013110430635/globecast-to-pull-plug-on-myglobetv-iptv-service.html</ref>

===Viaccess Orca===
[[Viaccess Orca]] is a provider of IPTV and OTT TV middleware and security solutions.

===Orange Labs===
Orange Labs (formerly France Télécom R&D) is the research and development division of Orange.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.cnet.fr/ |title=Bienvenue au CNET – centre de R&D de France Télécom (archived website) |year=1996 |accessdate=3 August 2010 |archiveurl = https://web.archive.org/web/19961222130140/http://www.cnet.fr/ |archivedate = 22 December 1996}}</ref><ref name="ebu">{{citation |url=http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/techreview/trev_273-tdf.pdf |format=PDF |title=R&D management, TDF Customer- and product-oriented expertise |year=1997 |author=C. Schwartz, D. Frossard |accessdate=1 August 2010}}</ref> This division was derived from different previous entities, such as CNET ([[Centre national d'études des télécommunications]]) created in 1944, the [[Centre commun d'études de télévision et télécommunications|CCETT]] created in 1972, as well as other entities.<ref name="cnet2008">{{cite web|url=http://www.cnet.fr/accueil_a.html |title=CNET – a half century of innovation (archived website) |year=2008 |accessdate=3 August 2010 |archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/20080612081852/http://www.cnet.fr/accueil_a.html |archivedate=12 June 2008}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ccett.fr/eng/01a.htm |title=Expanding the offer of France Telecom and TDF (archived website) |date=20 April 2001 |accessdate=1 August 2010 |archiveurl = https://web.archive.org/web/20010420003358/http://www.ccett.fr/eng/01a.htm |archivedate = 20 April 2001}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ccett.fr/welcome.htm |title=CCETT – Joint Research Center for Broadcast and Telecommunications (archived website) |year=1997 |accessdate=1 August 2010 |archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/19970703215943/http://www.ccett.fr/welcome.htm |archivedate=3 July 1997}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ebu.ch/fr/technical/trev/trev_287-bookshelf.html |title=EBU Technical Review – Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) |year=2001 |accessdate=1 August 2010}}</ref> In 2007, France Télécom R&D became known as Orange Labs, a global network of R&D entities.<ref name="svc">{{citation |url=http://www.ebu.ch/fr/technical/trev/trev_2008-Q2_svc-kouadio.pdf |format=PDF |title=SVC – a highly-scalable version of H.264/AVC |year=2008 |accessdate=1 August 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-france-telecom-retd-devient-orange-labs-21870.html |title=France Telecom R&D devient Orange Labs |author=Olivier Corredo |date=19 January 2007 |accessdate=1 August 2010}}</ref>

CCETT/France Télécom R&D contributed to various international standards, such as [[International Organization for Standardization|ISO]]/[[International Electrotechnical Commission|IEC]] [[Moving Picture Experts Group|MPEG]]<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ccett.fr/audio/c7_audio.htm |title=CCETT – Welcome to the CCETT's MPEG Audio Web Site (archived website) |year=1997 |accessdate=1 August 2010 |archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/19970414035829/http://www.ccett.fr/audio/c7_audio.htm |archivedate=14 April 1997}}</ref> and [[Joint Photographic Experts Group|JPEG]] standards or [[Digital Audio Broadcasting|DAB]] and [[Digital Video Broadcasting|DVB]] standards.<ref>{{citation |url=http://www.annales.org/ri/2006/fevrier/rannou.pdf |format=PDF |title=Des élaborations collectives – Le pôle de compétitivité – Images & Réseaux |year=2006 |accessdate=1 August 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://ride.chiariglione.org/faultline.htm |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20110122013656/http://ride.chiariglione.org/faultline.htm |title=Riding the Media Bits – MPEG's third steps |author=Leonardo Chiariglione |archivedate=22 January 2011 |date=6 September 2009 |accessdate=11 August 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://leonardo.chiariglione.org/projects/vadis/index.htm |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20110725163747/http://leonardo.chiariglione.org/projects/vadis/index.htm |title=VADIS FINAL PROJECT REPORT |author=Leonardo Chiariglione |archivedate=25 July 2011 |date=17 March 2005 |accessdate=11 August 2013}}</ref><ref>{{citation |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=T0KSa6w3qH4C&lpg=PA6&ots=qLweQ81lc-&dq=ccett%20dab&pg=PA6#v=onepage&q=ccett%20dab&f=false |title=Digital audio broadcasting: principles and applications of DAB, DAB+ and DMB |author= Wolfgang Hoeg, Thomas Lauterbach |accessdate=1 August 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel3/1195/4203/00160472.pdf%3Farnumber%3D160472&authDecision=-203 |title=STERNE: the CCETT proposal for digital television broadcasting |year=1992 |accessdate=1 August 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.dvb.org/membership/list_of_members/50237/index.xml?id= |title=DVB Project – List of Members – TDF |accessdate=1 August 2010 }}</ref> CCETT, [[Institut für Rundfunktechnik|IRT]] and [[Philips]] developed a digital audio two-channel compression system known as Musicam or [[MPEG-1 Audio Layer II|MPEG Audio Layer II]] ([[Emmy Award]] in Engineering 2000).<ref>{{citation |url=http://www.emmyonline.tv/tech/applications/engineering_award_winners_rev3.pdf |format=PDF |title=National Academey of Television Arts and Sciences, Outstanding Achievement in Technical/Engineering Development Awards |accessdate=1 August 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|quote=experiments aimed at mobile receivers were first carried out by France's Centre Commun d'Etudes de Teledif-fusion et Telecommunications (CCETT) in 1984.|title=Monitoring research 11 September 97 – Analysis; What's new on the DAB front?|date=11 September 1997|publisher=BBC Monitoring|accessdate=3 August 2010|quote=experiments aimed at mobile receivers were first carried out by France's Centre Commun d'Etudes de Telediffusion et Telecommunications (CCETT) in 1984.}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ccett.fr/eng/03b2.htm |title=CCETT – DAB : Digital Audio Broadcasting (archived website) |date=11 February 2001 |accessdate=1 August 2010 |archiveurl = https://web.archive.org/web/20010211120613/http://www.ccett.fr/eng/03b2.htm |archivedate = 11 February 2001}}</ref>

In 2010 Orange devoted 1.9% of its revenue, or €845 million, to research and development. Since January 2007 Orange has unified its research laboratories and technocentres in the Orange Labs network. As of 31 December 2010 Orange held a portfolio of 7,892 patents, 327 which were filed in 2010.<ref name="Portefeuille de brevets Orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.amf-france.org/DocDoif/txtint/RAPOSTPdf/2011/2011-022700.pdf |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20120217013759/http://www.amf-france.org/DocDoif/txtint/RAPOSTPdf/2011/2011-022700.pdf |title=Document de Référence 2010 - p.286 |publisher=France Télécom |archivedate=17 February 2012 |accessdate=11 August 2013}}</ref> Orange employs 3,700 people in research and development per year throughout the organisation,<ref name="chiffres recherche et developpement orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.orange.com/fr_FR/innovation/creer/recherche_developpement/ |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20120328022826/http://www.orange.com/fr_FR/innovation/creer/recherche_developpement/ |title=La force de la recherche et du développement |language=French |publisher=Orange |archivedate=28 March 2012 |accessdate=11 August 2013}}</ref> including more than 200 doctoral candidates and post-doctorates.<ref name="Chiffres RetD Orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.orange.com/fr_FR/innovation/partenariats/meilleurs_universites/index.jsp |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20120328163021/http://www.orange.com/fr_FR/innovation/partenariats/meilleurs_universites/index.jsp |title=Une étroite collaboration avec le monde académique |language=French |publisher=Orange |archivedate=28 March 2012 |accessdate=11 August 2013}}</ref> Orange's research and development is based on partnerships with industry, suppliers and operators, universities and schools, academic institutes and research programs such as the following:

{| class="wikitable centre"
|-
! Partner !! Type
|-
| [[China Telecom]] || Supplier and operator
|-
| [[Deutsche Telekom]] || Supplier and operator
|-
| [[Bibliothèque nationale de France]] || Academic institute
|-
| [[French National Centre for Scientific Research|CNRS]] || Academic institute
|-
| [[National Institute for Research in Computer Science and Control|INRIA]] ||Academic institute
|-
| [[Supélec]] || University/School
|-
| [[Télécom Bretagne]] || University/School
|-
| [[École Normale Supérieure]] || University/School
|-
| [[ESSEC Business School|ESSEC]] - Chaire Media & Entertainment || University/School
|-
| École Normale Supérieure - chaire de cryptologie || University/School
|-
| [[Paris Descartes University]] - chaire pluridisciplinaire || University/School
|-
| [[École polytechnique (France)|École polytechnique]] - chaire Innovation et Régulation ||University/School
|-
| [[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]] || University/School
|-
| Beijing University of Post and Telecom || University/School
|-
| [[Imperial College London]] || University/School
|-
| [[Agence Nationale de la Recherche]] || Research program
|}

Two types of infrastructure coexist in Orange's research and development: the research laboratories and the technocentres. The latter are responsible for Orange innovations<ref name="L'Expansion sur la RetD d'Orange">Laurent, Barbotin. France Télécom Le dinosaure se réveille. L’Expansion, January 2007, n°715, p84</ref> and consist of multidisciplinary teams of researchers, engineers, and marketing and sales personnel.

{| class="wikitable sortable centre"
|-
! Type !! City !! Country
|-
| Technocentre || Chatillon || France
|-
| Technocentre || London ||United Kingdom
|-
| Technocentre || Warsaw || Poland
|-
| Technocentre || Amman || Jordan
|-
| R&D || - || Spain
|-
| R&D || San Francisco || United States
|-
| R&D || Beijing || China
|-
| R&D || Cairo || Egypt
|-
| R&D || Tokyo || Japan
|-
| R&D || Issy les Moulineaux || France
|-
| R&D || Caen || France
|-
| R&D || Grenoble || France
|-
| R&D || Rennes || France
|-
| R&D || Lannion || France
|-
| R&D || Sophia Antipolis || France
|-
| R&D || La Turbie || France
|-
| R&D || Belfort || France
|}

===Dailymotion===
{{Main|Dailymotion}}
On 25 January 2011 Orange announces the acquisition of 49% of [[Dailymotion]], the French online video platform, at a cost of €58.8 million. The group also secures an option to acquire all of the shares in the platform in 2013.<ref name="Orange entre au capital de Dailymotion"/> This is indicative of a new strategy by Orange, which seeks to offer a full range of [[multi-screen video]] to its subscribers.<ref name="Orange entre au capital de Dailymotion" />

===Deezer===
{{Main|Deezer}}
In late August 2010 Orange acquires an 11% share in the streaming site [[Deezer]]. With this acquisition, the operator offers its subscribers a new "Deezer Premium" option: a high-quality paid streaming music service with no advertising and 7 million available titles.<ref name="Orange entre au capital de Deezer" />

===Studio 37===
Created in 2007 {{Ill|fr|Studio 37|Orange studio}} co-produces and acquires films, unlike the [[Canal+ Group]]’s [[StudioCanal]]. The producer [[Frédérique Dumas]] starts the studio, which has an initial budget of 30 million Euros. For its growth, Orange negotiates exclusivity agreements with [[Warner Bros.|Warner]], [[HBO]], Fidélité Films and [[Gaumont Film Company|Gaumont]], ensuring a stream of films for its TV Orange Cinema Series package.<ref name="Partenariat Orange Warner Bros. HBO" /> In 2011, Studio 37 co-produced [[The Artist (film)|The Artist]] which went on to win best picture and four further awards at the 84th Academy Awards. This makes it the first silent film to win an award since the original ceremony in 1929.

===Cityvox===
Cityvox is a network of websites with local content (restaurants, cultural happenings, etc.) created in 1999. Orange purchases the network site in 2008.<ref name="France Telecom achete Cityvox" />

===Cloudwatt===
[[Cloudwatt]] is a cloud services provider set up in 2012 by Orange (44%), the French government through [[Caisse des Dépôts]] (33%) and [[Thales Group|Thales]] (22%). In March 2015, Orange acquired all remaining shares of Cloudwatt to strengthen its enterprise cloud services offering.<ref>{{cite press release |author= |title= Orange acquires the totality of Cloudwatt |url= http://www.orange.com/en/press/press-releases/press-releases-2015/Orange-acquires-the-totality-of-Cloudwatt |location= Paris |publisher= Orange |agency= |date= 2015-03-20 |access-date=2015-03-24}}</ref>

==Controversy==

===Staff suicides===
Between the beginning of January 2008 and April 2011, more than 60 France Télécom employees committed suicide,<ref>{{Cite news| url=http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/selbstmordserie-france-telecom-mitarbeiter-verbrennt-sich-selbst-a-759124.html |work=Der Spiegel | title=Selbstmordserie: France Telecom Mitarbeiter verbrennt sich | date= 27 April 2011}}</ref> some leaving notes blaming stress and misery at work. In October 2009, the wave of suicides led former Deputy CEO Louis-Pierre Wenes to resign under trade union pressure, to be replaced by Stephane Richard.<ref>{{Cite news| url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/07/france-telecom-idUSL711729320091007?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=11604 |agency=Reuters | title=France Telecom talks with unions on suicide spate | date=7 October 2009}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news| url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/09/france-telecom-staff-suicides-phone | work=The Guardian | location=London | title=Wave of staff suicides at France Telecom | first=Angelique | last=Chrisafis | date=9 September 2009 | accessdate=2 May 2010}}</ref> Faced with repeated suicides, the company promoted Stephane Richard to chief executive officer on 1 February 2010, while Didier Lombard remained as chairman.<ref>{{cite web|last=Campbell |first=Matthew |url=http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-01/france-telecom-names-richard-ceo-lombard-to-remain-chairman.html |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20100205091539/http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-01/france-telecom-names-richard-ceo-lombard-to-remain-chairman.html |title=France Telecom Names Richard CEO; Lombard to Remain Chairman |publisher=Business Week |archivedate=5 February 2010 |date=1 February 2010 |accessdate=11 August 2013}}</ref>

The suicide rate among France Télécom's 102,000 domestic employees is 15.3 per year, compared with an average of 14.7 suicides per 100,000 in the French population as a whole,<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/mental_health/article6844809.ece|title=Why are France Télécom employees committing suicide?|last=Sage|first=Adam|date=23 September 2009|work=The Times |location=UK |accessdate=6 October 2009 }}</ref> which shows a slight fluctuation in statistics for suicide.

Following an investigation, the [[Inspection du travail]] (Labour Inspection) told the [[trade union|labour union]] [[Sud-PTT]] that the work organisation at France Télécom "was conducive to generating suffering at work" and "health risks" for employees.<ref name="Souffrance au travail">Article [http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/social/20091210.OBS0287/france-telecom-la-souffrance-au-travail-est-etablie.html « France Télécom: la souffrance au travail est établie »] sur le site ''[[Le Nouvel Observateur|NouvelObs.com]]'', le 10 December 2009.</ref> An investigation was conducted by the [[audit]] firm Technologia at the request of France Télécom's management. Of the 102,843 employees in the group’s parent company, 80,080 responded, i.e. a response rate of 77.9%. The fact-finding report revealed a "very poor general feeling", "strained physical and mental health", and a "tense and even violent working environment" for some categories of personnel. Working conditions were deemed difficult, mainly for personnel in charge of sales and "customer interventions". Given heavy media coverage, these findings were the source of major contention about working conditions.

===Access to some sites limited===
In 2011, following complaints by Internet users, [[Megaupload]] accused Orange of not providing sufficient connectivity to its site, thus severely limiting throughput from France, an allegation Orange denied.<ref name="dementi Orange bridage des accès à certains sites">[http://www.01net.com/editorial/526962/orange-dement-brider-l-acces-au-site-megaupload-maj/ Orange dément brider l’accès au site Megaupload]</ref>

===Accusations of false advertising in France===
In November 2009, three users lodged a complaint against Orange for false advertising concerning its “Unlimited 3G Key” service.<ref name="plainte pour publicite mensongère">Article [http://obsession.nouvelobs.com/high-tech/20091222.OBS1497/orange-vise-par-une-plainte-pour-publicite-mensongere.html « Orange visé par une plainte pour publicité mensongère »] sur le site ''[[Le Nouvel Observateur|NouvelObs.com]]'', 22 December 2009.</ref> These customers criticised the operator for the misleading way in which this service is presented, since it isn't in fact unlimited. While it is true that there is no time limit, the user cannot download more than 1 gigabyte per month, thus limiting browsing. Unaware of this, the three plaintiffs browsed beyond plan limits and had to pay additional fees as a result.

===Corruption in Tunisia===
In March 2011, the information website [[OWNI]] uncovered a questionable financial deal that enabled the Orange group to acquire a 3G license.<ref name="enquête OWNI corruption en Tunisie">{{cite web|url=http://owni.fr/2011/03/03/ben-ali-les-compromission-dorange-en-tunisie/ |title=Ben Ali: les compromissions d’Orange en Tunisie » OWNI, News, Augmented |publisher=Owni.fr |date= |accessdate=29 April 2013}}</ref>

===Anticompetitive practices in French overseas departments===
On 28 July 2011, the [[Autorité de la concurrence|Competition Authority]] fined France Télécom €27.6 million for having improperly impeded the development of new competing operators in the French overseas departments (primarily Réunion).<ref name="autorite de la concurrence sanctionne Orange France, SFR et Bouygues Télécom">[http://www.autoritedelaconcurrence.fr/user/standard.php?id_rub=149&id_article=501 Entente sur le marché de la téléphonie mobile], Autorité de la concurrence, 2005</ref>

France Télécom used its dominant position, resulting in particular from its former monopoly, to take unfair advantage of its competitors.

The practices identified by the Authority were:
* excessive rate levels
* as operators of the quasi-totality of the telecommunication infrastructure [[local loop]]s, making use of the data which they have access to, France Télécom has targeted former subscribers who had switched to a competitor, in order to win them back, offering them specific deals.
* margin squeeze on broadband Internet offers
* maintaining call barring services inconsistent with the prior selection of an alternative operator

===SMS and MMS propagation of 1 January 2011 in France===
On 1 January 2011, Orange users’ [[Short Message Service|SMS]] and [[Multimedia Messaging Service|MMS]] were sent and billed multiple times. The operator agreed to reimburse the excess costs to consumers, explaining that the error came from a "third party operator"<ref name="Annonce erreur de facturation SMS envoyé la nuit du 31 décembre 2010">Annonce [http://wayback.archive.org/web/20110106040030/http://assistance.orange.fr/les-sms-ou-mms-envoyes-la-nuit-de-la-saint-sylvestre-4528.php « Les SMS ou MMS envoyés la nuit de la Saint-Sylvestre »] paru dans l'Assistance Mobile d'Orange sur Internet.</ref> (which turned out to be Bouygues Telecom),<ref name="Orange met en cause Bouygues">{{cite web|url=http://www.01net.com/editorial/526359/bug-des-sms-du-nouvel-an-orange-met-bouygues-telecom-en-cause/ |title=Bug des SMS du Nouvel An : Orange met Bouygues Telecom en cause |publisher=01net.com |date=1 January 2012 |accessdate=29 April 2013}}</ref> said not to have sent acknowledgements, which caused the messages to be resent. A computer problem at the Bouygues platform was blamed.<ref name="Explication probleme informatique nouvel an 2010">Article [http://www.liberation.fr/economie/01012311306-textos-du-nouvel-an-orange-s-emmele-dans-les-textos-du-nouvel-an « Comment les opérateurs expliquent le «bégaiement» de textos »] paru le 3 January 2011 sur le site Internet du quotidien ''[[Libération]]''.</ref> During the night of 31 December 2010 to 1 January 2011, more than 930 million text messages were exchanged in France (for the three operators combined), setting a new record compared with the peaks of the previous years.<ref name="SMS envoyés par Orange la nuit du 31 décembre 2010">Article [http://www.liberation.fr/vous/01012311303-plus-de-930-millions-de-sms-envoyes-pour-le-nouvel-an « Plus de 930 millions de SMS envoyés pour le Nouvel An »] paru le 3 January 2011 sur le site Internet du quotidien ''[[Libération]]''.</ref>

=== Controversies in UK regarding the quality of service ===
On 21 March 2007 ''[[Watchdog (TV series)|Watchdog]]'', a [[television program|television series]] by the [[BBC]] focusing on [[consumer]] protection, published the results from a [[broadband]] [[Survey methodology|survey]] they held. According to the survey Orange is the worst ISP in the UK. 68% of Orange customers that took part in the survey said they were unsatisfied with Orange's [[customer service]], it was voted as the most unreliable broadband provider, and it had the highest number of dissatisfied customers. Two thirds of Orange customers experienced problems cancelling their Orange broadband.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://web.archive.org/web/20070327100448/http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/reports/internet/internet_20070321.shtml |title=BBC Watchdog Broadband Survey |accessdate=21 March 2007}}</ref>

In response to the problems with Orange UK broadband and 3G broadband during March 2009 and April 2009 the 3G data network has been upgraded to 3.5G and increased signal coverage. This new network can be seen in action on many mobile phones which display network for instance the Nokia N95, when the phone detects the higher speed. The Orange UK mobile broadband USB adapter works with the new network. The 3G networks for all telecommunication suppliers still struggle to get the throughput that was originally advertised when these networks were announced. The UK Telecoms Regulator<ref>{{cite web |url=https://web.archive.org/web/20100327061354/http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/features/msaone |title=Ofcom |accessdate=10 September 2009}}</ref> has reported on the challenges for all suppliers.

A [[consumer organization|consumer organisation]] [[internet forum|forum]] web site known as OrangeProblems.co.uk focuses on the poor level of service provided by Orange Broadband in the UK. Initially set up as WanadooProblems.co.uk, the site focuses on the infamous Orange [[local-loop unbundling|local loop unbundling]] and poor [[customer service]] but covers a wider range of Orange operations such as lost email, significantly delayed SMTP and outages, suspicions of eavesdropping, et al.{{Citation needed|date=February 2011}}

Orange Mobile has been criticised during a [[Channel 4 News]] investigation for a lack of security which potentially exposed customer records to fraud.<ref>[http://wayback.archive.org/web/20070621074012/http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/business_money/concern%20over%20mobile%20security/172350 Channel 4 News]</ref>

In August 2007 Orange was criticised for summarily deleting email accounts tied to old Freeserve and Wanadoo 'pay as you go' dial-up accounts with no warning.<ref>[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/30/orange_freesever_purge/ "Night of the long juicer"]</ref>

In August 2008, after well publicised problems with iPhone [[3G]] performances, customers compared their download speed and discovered that Orange in France was capping 3G download bandwidth. Orange admitted capping to 384kbit/s, well below the theoretical 7.2Mbit/s provided by the iPhone.<ref>[http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/08/26/orange_admits_to_capping_3g_speeds_in_france.html Orange admits to capping 3G speeds in France]</ref><ref>[http://wayback.archive.org/web/20080830013230/http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2224705/orange-cops-3g-caps Orange admits to 3G speed caps]</ref> Orange uncapped 3G and 3G+ by mid-September 2008.<ref>[http://www.numerama.com/magazine/10554-3g-orange-l-operateur-debride-totalement-les-debits.html Orange débride totalement ses débits]</ref>

===Accusations of antisemitism and calls for boycott===

The French chairman and CEO of the Orange telecommunications company, Stephane Richard said in Cairo regarding his company operations in Israel, “Believe me, I would cancel the contract tomorrow if I could,” He added “We want to end this and to fix this; we don’t want it,” <ref name="jewishpress.com">http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/orange-exec-pleads-for-bds-compassion-hopes-to-cut-ties-with-israel/2015/06/03/</ref> Later, Orange announced desire to discontinue use of popular brand name by its Israeli operator [[Partner Communications Company]].<ref>http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Telecoms-operator-Orange-says-plans-to-end-Israel-deal-over-brand-licensing-no-mention-of-boycott-405071</ref>
The president of the [[State of Israel]] [[Reuven Rivlin]] said in response "Just yesterday Israel faced attacks from anti-Israel and anti-Semitic bodies, who have chosen to delegitimize the state of Israel, and to launch rockets at us from the Gaza Strip. We must face these challenges together, right and left," Rivlin said.<ref name="israelnationalnews.com">http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/196307#.VXCLZdKqpBc</ref><ref>http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Netanyahu-to-France-Renounce-the-miserable-actions-of-Orange-405082</ref>
Israeli culture minister [[Miri Regev]] said ", "I call on Jews of France and the world to disconnect from Orange unless Stephane Richard takes back his words. The time has come for them to understand that Jews in the world and sane voices that oppose anti-Semitism and racism also have power."<ref name="israelnationalnews.com"/><ref>http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/73662-150604-bennett-to-israelis-don-t-punish-orange-franchisee-partner-over-bds-comments</ref> The statement on the company’s website announced in response that “The Orange Group is a telecoms operator and as such its primary concern is to defend and promote the value of its brand in markets in which it is present,” the statement began. “The Group does not engage in any kind of political debate under any circumstance.”<ref name="jewishpress.com"/> Later, Richard visited Israel to clarify his remarks. He met Israeli PM [[Benyamin Netanyahu]] and former president, [[Shimon Peres]]. Richard told both Netanyahu and Peres that Orange has not and will not support anti-Israel boycott efforts, and insisted that its announced decision to abrogate its relationship with Partner was purely commercial and not political.<ref>http://www.timesofisrael.com/orange-ceo-sows-confusion-on-israel-trip-aimed-to-resolve-dispute/</ref>

On 30 June 2015, Orange and Partner announced a change to their 10-year licensing agreement. Orange paid Partner €40 million to add an opt out clause to the contract,<ref>[http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/197485#.VZKYyWJdXy0 Israeli Co. to Be Paid Millions After Orange Faux Pas]</ref> with which Partner intends to conduct a market survey which is determine the best course of action moving forward.<ref>[http://www.jta.org/2015/06/30/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/israeli-affiliate-to-stop-using-orange-name-in-24-months-under-new-deal Israeli affiliate to stop using Orange name in 24 months under new deal]</ref> In the first year only Partner can opt out, with either party being able to opt out in the second year.<ref>[https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2015/06/30/orange-group-and-partner-communications-outline-new-relationship-framework-agreement/ Orange Group and Partner Communications outline new relationship framework agreement]</ref> Regardless of which party opts to exercise the out clause, Orange will pay Partner an additional €50 million to end the arrangement.<ref>[http://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/Orange-Partner-pave-way-for-cutting-ties-following-BDS-controversy-407563 Orange, Partner pave way for cutting ties following BDS controversy]</ref> Orange stated that the money paid to Partner was purely for re-branding purposes and affirmed their previous statement that their wish to leave Israel is based on desire to discontinue license agreements and maintain only subsidiaries that they control, rather than a boycott.<ref>[http://www.timesofisrael.com/telecom-giant-orange-to-end-israel-presence-within-2-years/ Telecom giant Orange to end Israel presence within 2 years]</ref> Orange would make the relevant payments over the course of two years and charge it to their books as a mix of marketing, sales, customer services and related expenses.<ref>[http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2015/06/30/orange-rejigs-brand-licensing-agreement-with-partner-at-cost-of-up-to-e90-million-if-leaves-israel/ Orange Redoes Brand Licensing Agreement With Partner Costs Up To $100 Million If It Leaves Israel]</ref> As part of the agreement Orange's research and development activities within Israel would transition to the Orange name, but would be restricted from entering the telecommunications services market.<ref>[http://www.digitaltveurope.net/390902/orange-strikes-new-deal-with-partner-communications/ Orange strikes new deal with Partner Communications]</ref>

In September 2015, Orange reaffirmed their commitment to Israel with an investment in [[Hola (VPN)|Hola]], a video distribution network.<ref>[http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/French-telecom-firm-Orange-invests-in-Israeli-start-up-419093 French telecom firm Orange invests in Israeli start-up]</ref>

==Governance==

===Overview of governance===
Governance of the Orange group is centred in its board of directors, executive committee and three committees that steer Orange's strategy:<ref name="Comités stratégies Orange" />
*Audit Committee: Created in 1997, the Audit Committee comprises three members appointed for indefinite terms by the board of directors on the recommendation of the Governance and Corporate Social Responsibility Committee.
*Governance and Corporate Social Responsibility Committee: Created in 2010, it comprises at least three members appointed by the board of directors on the recommendation of its chairman. Its remit is to examine the main risks and opportunities in relation with the environment, Orange’s policies concerning industrial, the publication of societal and environmental information, and the main orientations of its corporate social responsibility policy.
*Strategy Committee: Created in 2003, the Strategy Committee comprises at least three members appointed by the board of directors on the recommendation of its chairman. The latter chairs the committee. It examines the group’s international development strategic and the strategic mid-term guidelines.

===Chairmen===
*2005: [[Didier Lombard]]
*2010: {{Ill|fr|Stéphane Richard}}

===Chief executive officers===
The company is headed either by the chairman of the board of directors, whose title in that case is the chairman and chief executive officer, or by another person appointed by the board of directors and given the title of chief executive officer.

===Board of directors===
The Orange group is governed by a board of directors composed of a minimum of twelve members and a maximum of twenty-two members, divided as follows: three are appointed by the French State, three are elected by the employees, one is elected by the shareholders and represents employee shareholders, the fifteen other members are appointed by the shareholders. The board members serve for a term of four years.

====Composition of the board of directors====
In 2011, the board of directors was composed of 15 members:<ref name="composition conseil administration" />
{| class="wikitable sortable centre"
|-
! Name !! Position
|-
| [[Stéphane Richard]] || Chairman and chief executive officer
|-
| [[Bernard Dufau]] || Independent member
|-
| [[José Luis Duran]] || Independent member
|-
| [[Charles-Henri Filippi]] || Independent member
|-
| [[Claudie Haigneré]] || Administrateur indépendant
|-
| Helle Kristoffersen || Independent member
|-
| Muriel Pénicaud || Independent member
|-
| Jean-Michel Severino || Independent member
|-
| Jean-Dominique Comolli || Member representing the French State
|-
| [[Pierre Graff]] || Member representing the French State
|-
| Pascal Faure || Member representing the French State
|-
| Caroline Angeli || Member representing the employees
|-
| Ghislaine Coinaud || Member representing the employees
|-
| Daniel Guillot || Member representing the employees
|-
| Marc Maouche || Member representing the shareholder employees
|-
| Thierry Franchi || Representative of the central committee of the company
|-
| Jean-Philippe Roulet || Secretary of the board of directors
|}

===Executive committee===
The executive committee reports to the chairman and CEO. Its purpose is to coordinate the implementation of Orange’s strategic orientations and to oversee the achievement of operational, social, technical and financial resource allocation objectives. It comprises thirteen members<ref name="Orange renforce sa gourvernance" /><ref name="Composition du comite executif Orange" />
{| class="wikitable centre"
|-
! Name !! Title
|-
| Stéphane Richard || Chairman and chief executive officer
|-
| Pierre Louette || Deputy chief executive officer and group general secretary, France Carriers Division and Group Sourcing and Supply Chain
|-
| Gervais Pellissier || Chief executive officer delegate, Finance, Information Systems, United Kingdom JV
|-
| Jean-Philippe Vanot ||Deputy chief executive officer, Quality, Corporate Social Responsibility
|-
| [[Christine Albanel]] ||Executive vice president, Communication, Philanthropy, Content Strategy
|-
| Vivek Badrinath || Executive vice president, Enterprise Communication Services
|-
| Bruno Mettling || Deputy chief executive officer, Group Human Resources
|-
| Thierry Bonhomme || Executive vice president, Networks and Carriers, Research and Development
|-
| Jean-Paul Cottet ||Executive vice president, Marketing and Innovation
|-
| Delphine Ernotte-Cunci || Deputy chief executive officer, Orange France
|-
| Marc Rennard || Executive vice president, Operations in Africa, the Middle East and Asia
|-
| Benoît Scheen ||Executive vice president, Operations in Europe (except France)
|-
| Elie Girard || Executive vice president, Group Strategy and Development
|}

===Head office===
[[File:France-Telecom HQ.jpg|thumb|Orange's former head office in Paris at 6, Place d'Alleray.]]
Orange's head office, since 2012, is based at 78, Rue Olivier de Serres in the [[15th arrondissement of Paris]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://orange.com/en/Footer/Bas-de-footer/legal-matters |title=Legal matters |publisher=Orange |accessdate=7 August 2013}}</ref>

The company's former head office was based at 6, Place d'Alleray in the 15th arrondissement of Paris.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.orange.com/en_EN/tools/legal/index.html |archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/20120529214628/http://www.orange.com/en_EN/tools/legal/index.html |title=Legal matters |publisher=France Télécom |archivedate=29 May 2012 |accessdate=7 August 2013}}</ref> The building was the head office from 1998 until 2012. Eight hundred employees worked at the site.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.journaldunet.com/economie/reportage/les-sieges-sociaux-des-entreprises-du-cac-40/france-telecom-un-legs-de-l-administration.shtml |title=France Télécom : un legs de l'administration |language=French |publisher=Le Journal du Net |date=27 June 2007 |accessdate=8 July 2010}}</ref>

==Orange Foundation==
In 1987 France Telecom established the France Telecom Foundation. On 16 January 2007, the foundation changed its name to Orange Foundation.
In 1990 France Telecom Foundation received the top award for corporate philanthropy from ADMICAL.<ref name="Oscar de la solidarite ADMICAL"/>
In 1995 France Telecom Foundation received the top award for solidarity from ADMICAL.<ref name="Oscar de la solidarite ADMICAL" />
The board of directors of Orange Foundation consists of representatives of Orange, independent personalities and employee representatives. Its purpose is to support projects related to health, particularly autism; education, particularly schooling for girls in developing countries; and culture, particularly group vocal music. Projects supported by Orange Foundation are chosen by committees of experts devoted to each major theme.
The Foundation has been involved in 300 to 400 projects per year since 1987.<ref name="nombres conventions signées par an" />
The Foundation works with international NGOs and local associations involved in long-term projects in countries in which Orange is based for better follow-up of these projects.

==See also==
{{Portal|Paris|Companies}}
* [[Centre commun d'études de télévision et télécommunications]] (CCETT), now part of Orange Labs
* [[List of French companies]]
* [[Minitel]]

==References==
{{Reflist|30em|refs=

<ref name="Hutchinson actionnaire majoritaire microtel">{{cite web|url=http://www.vodafonews.com/orange-royaume-uni.html |title=Vodafonews est un site non officiel de Vodafone |publisher=Vodafonews.com |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Mannesman rachete Orange pour 33 milliards de dollars">{{cite news| url=http://money.cnn.com/1999/10/21/europe/orange/ |publisher=CNN | title=$36B Orange consumed | date=21 October 1999}}</ref>

<ref name="France Telecom rachete Orange">{{cite web|url=http://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/entreprise/france-telecom-boucle-le-rachat-d-orange_85805.html |title=TELECOMS : France Télécom boucle le rachat d?Orange - LExpansion.com |publisher=Lexpansion.lexpress.fr |date=2000-08-22 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>

<ref name="France 3 entrée en bourse Orange ">{{cite web|url=http://www.ina.fr/economie-et-societe/vie-economique/video/CAC01009458/introduction-orange-en-bourse.fr.html |title=Video [Introduction Orange en bourse] notice archives video |language= fr |publisher=Ina.fr |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Notices Euronext entrée Orange">{{pdf|[http://www.bnains.org/archives/histocac/avis/DA2001_1344FR.pdf Orange IPO on Euronext]}}</ref>

<ref name="prix de l'action Orange à l'introduction en bourse">{{cite web|url=http://www.silicon.fr/opa-sur-orange-et-wanadoo-les-petits-porteurs-sont-en-colere-4380.html |title=OPA sur Orange et Wanadoo : les petits porteurs sont en colère | Silicon |publisher=Silicon.fr |date=2004-02-24 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Christine Albanel rejoint Orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2010/02/19/04015-20100219ARTFIG00559-christine-albanel-rejoint-france-telecom-.php |title=Christine Albanel rejoint France Télécom |publisher=Lefigaro.fr |date=2010-02-19 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Stéphane Richard replace Didier Lombard">{{cite web|url=http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2011/02/11/04015-20110211ARTFIG00440-le-president-de-france-telecom-tire-sa-reverence.php |title=Le président de France Télécom tire sa révérence |publisher=Lefigaro.fr |date=2011-01-20 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Stephane Richarge quitte Orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.france24.com/fr/20110302-didier-lombard-quitte-france-telecom-conseiller-special-salaire-polemique-suicide# |title=Didier Lombard quitte définitivement France Telecom - TÉLÉCOMMUNICATIONS |publisher=FRANCE 24 |date=2011-03-02 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange achete les droits de Warner Bros., Gaumont et HBO">{{cite web|url=http://www.echosdunet.net/dossiers/dossier_1914_le+torchon+brule+entre+orange+canal%2B.html |title=Le torchon brûle entre Orange et Canal+ Orange FAI |publisher=Echos du Net |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange achète les droits de HBO">{{cite web|author=Babamanga |url=http://www.tvchronik.com/2008/04/08/les-futures-series-de-hbo-sur-orange/ |title=Les futures séries de HBO sur Orange |publisher=TV Chronik |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange achete les droits de MGM">{{cite web|author=ARIASE |url=http://www.ariase.com/fr/news/vod-orange-mgm-article-1377.html |title=VoD : Orange et MGM signent un accord |publisher=Ariase.com |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange a les droits de la ligue 1 sur le match du samedi soir">{{cite web|url=http://www.maxifoot.fr/football/article-7269.htm |title=Football - MAXIFOOT : Droits TV : Orange remporte la seconde manche |publisher=Maxifoot.fr |date=2009-05-16 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="SFR et Free portent plainte contre Orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.capital.fr/bourse/actualites/orange-suspend-la-commercialisation-d-orange-sport-365085 |title=Orange suspend la commercialisation d'Orange Sport |language= fr |publisher=Capital.fr |date=2013-04-25 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Détails départ de Stephane Richard">{{cite web|url=http://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/entreprise/polemique-autour-du-placard-dore-de-didier-lombard_249546.html |title=Polémique autour du placard doré de Didier Lombard - LExpansion.com |publisher=Lexpansion.lexpress.fr |date=2011-02-24 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>

<ref name="Partenariat Orange Warner Bros. HBO">{{cite web|url=http://www.lexpress.fr/culture/cinema/l-appetit-d-orange_504864.html |title=Cinéma : L'appétit d'Orange - L'EXPRESS |publisher=Lexpress.fr |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange entre au capital de Deezer">{{cite web|url=http://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/high-tech/orange-prend-11-du-capital-de-deezer_238017.html |title=Orange prend 11% du capital de Deezer - LExpansion.com |publisher=Lexpansion.lexpress.fr |date=2010-08-27 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange entre au capital de Dailymotion">{{cite web|url=http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2011/01/25/orange-prend-49-de-dailymotion_1470100_651865.html |title=Orange prend 49 % de Dailymotion |publisher=Lemonde.fr |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange entre au capital de Dailymotion"/>
<ref name="France Telecom achete Cityvox">{{cite web|url=http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualite/economie/20080305.OBS3567/france-telecom-s-offre-cityvox.html |title=France TĂŠlĂŠcom s'offre Cityvox - Le Nouvel Observateur |publisher=Tempsreel.nouvelobs.com |date=2008-06-23 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange entre au capital de Dailymotion"/>
<ref name="nombres conventions signées par an">{{cite web|url=http://www.generation-nt.com/fondation-france-telecom-orange-actualite-21104.html |title=Naissance de la Fondation Orange |publisher=Generation-nt.com |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Oscar de la solidarite ADMICAL">{{cite web|url=http://www.admical.org/default.asp?contentid=21 |title=Carrefour du Mécénat d'entreprise |publisher=Admical |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>

<ref name="Comités stratégies Orange">{{pdf|[http://www.amf-france.org/DocDoif/txtint/RAPOSTPdf/2011/2011-022700.pdf Document de Référence 2010] pp.307 et 308 }}</ref>
<ref name="Composition du comite executif Orange">{{cite web|url=http://orange.com/fr_FR/groupe/management/|title=France Télécom-Orange renforce sa gouvernance|date=31 October 2011|publisher=Orange|accessdate=7 November 2011}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange renforce sa gourvernance">{{cite web|url=http://www.orange.com/fr_FR/presse/communiques/att00021102/print.jsp|title=France Télécom-Orange renforce sa gouvernance|date=26 October 2011|publisher=Orange|accessdate=7 November 2011}}</ref>

<ref name="composition conseil administration">{{cite web|url=http://www.orange.com/fr_FR/groupe/gouvernance/conseil-administration/index.jsp |title=Corporate Website of France Telecom-Orange |publisher=Orange.com |date=2013-04-24 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>

<ref name="SMS envoyés par Orange la nuit du 31 décembre 2010">Article [http://www.liberation.fr/vous/01012311303-plus-de-930-millions-de-sms-envoyes-pour-le-nouvel-an « Plus de 930 millions de SMS envoyés pour le Nouvel An »] paru le 3 January 2011 sur le site Internet du quotidien ''[[Libération]]''.</ref>
<ref name="Annonce erreur de facturation SMS envoyé la nuit du 31 décembre 2010">Annonce [http://assistance.orange.fr/les-sms-ou-mms-envoyes-la-nuit-de-la-saint-sylvestre-4528.php « Les SMS ou MMS envoyés la nuit de la Saint-Sylvestre »] paru dans l'Assistance Mobile d'Orange sur Internet.</ref>
<ref name="Orange met en cause Bouygues">{{cite web|url=http://www.01net.com/editorial/526359/bug-des-sms-du-nouvel-an-orange-met-bouygues-telecom-en-cause/ |title=Bug des SMS du Nouvel An : Orange met Bouygues Telecom en cause |publisher=01net.com |date=2012-01-01 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Explication probleme informatique nouvel an 2010">Article [http://www.liberation.fr/economie/01012311306-textos-du-nouvel-an-orange-s-emmele-dans-les-textos-du-nouvel-an « Comment les opérateurs expliquent le «bégaiement» de textos »] paru le 3 January 2011 sur le site Internet du quotidien ''[[Libération]]''.</ref>
<ref name="Souffrance au travail">Article [http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualites/social/20091210.OBS0287/france_telecom_la_souffrance_au_travail_est_etablie.html?idfx=RSS_notr&xtor=RSS-17 « France Télécom: la souffrance au travail est établie »] sur le site ''[[NouvelObs.com]]'', le 10 December 2009.</ref>
<ref name="autorite de la concurrence sanctionne Orange France, SFR et Bouygues Télécom">[http://www.autoritedelaconcurrence.fr/user/standard.php?id_rub=149&id_article=501 Entente sur le marché de la téléphonie mobile], Autorité de la concurrence, 2005</ref>
<ref name="enquête OWNI corruption en Tunisie">{{cite web|url=http://owni.fr/2011/03/03/ben-ali-les-compromission-dorange-en-tunisie/ |title=Ben Ali: les compromissions d’Orange en Tunisie » OWNI, News, Augmented |publisher=Owni.fr |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="plainte pour publicite mensongère">Article [http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualites/medias/20091222.OBS1497/orange_vise_par_une_plainte_pour_publicite_mensongere.html?idfx=RSS_notr&xtor=RSS-17 « Orange visé par une plainte pour publicité mensongère »] sur le site ''[[NouvelObs.com]]'', 22 December 2009.</ref>
<ref name="dementi Orange bridage des accès à certains sites">[http://www.01net.com/editorial/526962/orange-dement-brider-l-acces-au-site-megaupload-maj/ Orange dément brider l’accès au site Megaupload]</ref>

<ref name="Portefeuille de brevets Orange">{{pdf|[http://www.amf-france.org/DocDoif/txtint/RAPOSTPdf/2011/2011-022700.pdf Document de Référence 2010] p.286 }}</ref>
<ref name="L'Expansion sur la RetD d'Orange">Laurent, Barbotin. France Télécom Le dinosaure se réveille. L’Expansion, January 2007, n°715, p84</ref>
<ref name="chiffres recherche et developpement orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.orange.com/fr_FR/innovation/creer/recherche_developpement/ |title=Corporate Website of France Telecom-Orange |publisher=Orange.com |date=2013-04-24 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Chiffres RetD Orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.orange.com/fr_FR/innovation/partenariats/meilleurs_universites/index.jsp |title=Corporate Website of France Telecom-Orange |publisher=Orange.com |date=2013-04-24 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="DDR 2010 - Mobile Orange France">{{Cite journal
| language = French
| title = Présentation générale de l'activité - France
| journal=Document Document de Référence France Telecom 2010
| url = http://orange.com/fr_FR/finance/att00013347/FranceTlcomDDR2010_150411.pdf
| year = 2011
| page = 36
| accessdate =31 October 2011
}}</ref>

<ref name="lancement orange cinema series">{{cite web|url=http://www.servicesmobiles.fr/services_mobiles/2008/10/stratgie-conten.html |title=Stratégie "Content Everywhere" d’Orange : Cinéma sur les trois écrans |publisher=Servicesmobiles.fr |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Goa devient Orange Jeux">{{pdf|[http://www.amf-france.org/DocDoif/txtint/RAPOSTPdf/2011/2011-022700.pdf Document de Référence 2010] p.155}}</ref>

<ref name="nombre de clients Orange en Moldavie">[http://anrceti.md/files/u1/tmtr3093.png Diagramme]. Retrieved 31 March 2010.</ref>
<ref name="presence Orange dans le monde">[http://www.orange.com/fr_FR/groupe/presence/ Le groupe France Télécom] sur le site officiel, consulté le 31 March 2010.</ref>

<ref name="Parts de marché mobile Orange">{{cite web|url=http://www.iphonekiller.fr/2009/11/parts-de-marche-operateurs-de-telephone-mobiles-en-france/ |title=Parts de marché : opérateurs de téléphone mobiles en France | iPhone Killer |publisher=|date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>


<ref name="Parc Livebox en 2008">{{PDFlink|[http://www.orange.com/media/doc-finance/fr/doc-reference/att00015095/DDR2009completCL28042010_17h06.pdf Parc Livebox 2008] p.50}}</ref>

<ref name="Orange propose la VOD France télévision">{{cite web|url=http://www.clubic.com/actualite-76044-orange-france-television-partenaires-vod.html |title=Orange : programmes de France Television en VOD |publisher=Clubic.com |date=2007-07-02 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange propose M6 replay">{{cite web|url=http://www.01net.com/editorial/401304/m6-replay-debarque-sur-la-tele-des-abonnes-dorange/ |title=M6 Replay accessible sur la TV d'Orange |publisher=01net.com |date=2012-01-01 |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange propose mytf1">{{cite web|url=http://www.orangeinfo.fr/12776-mytf1-orange-juin.html |title=MyTF1 arrive chez Orange le 7 Juin (ADSL et Sat) | Orange Info |publisher=Orangeinfo.fr |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>
<ref name="Orange droits serie A foot italien">{{cite web|url=http://www.orangeinfo.fr/1136-orange-foot-a-la-conquete-de-litalie.html |title=Orange foot: A la conquête de l’Italie ! (EDIT) | Orange Info |publisher=Orangeinfo.fr |date= |accessdate=2013-04-29}}</ref>

<ref name="creation everything everywhere">{{cite news| url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mobile-giants-promise-everything-everywhere-1971325.html |location=London |work=The Independent | first=Nick | last=Clark | date=12 May 2010 | title=Mobile giants promise Everything Everywhere}}</ref>

<ref name=OBS-H-04>{{cite web |url=http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/radiocommunication-licences/mobile-wireless-broadband/cellular-wireless-broadband/policy-and-background/history-of-cellular-services/ |title= History of Cellular services |accessdate=9 June 2012 |publisher=licensing.ofcom.org.uk }}</ref>

<ref name=OBS-H-10>{{cite news |url=http://money.cnn.com/1999/10/21/europe/orange/ |title=Mannesmann to buy UK cellular firm; Vodafone, Hutchinson likely to react |date=21 October 1999 |accessdate=9 June 2012 |publisher=CNN }}</ref>
<ref name=OBS-H-17>{{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/21/business/international-business-mannesmann-agrees-to-buy-orange-for-33-billion.html|title=Mannesman to buy Orange for $33bn|work=New York Times|date=21 October 1999|accessdate=26 December 2008}}</ref>
<ref name=OBS-H-18>{{cite news|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/630293.stm | title=Vodafone seals Mannesmann merger |publisher=BBC | date = 11 February 2000 | accessdate =26 December 2008}}</ref>

<ref name=OBS-H-20>{{cite news|url=http://www.financialexpress.com/old/fe/daily/20000531/fco31032.html | title=France Telecom buys Orange for $37 bn |work=The Financial Express | date = 30 May 2000 | accessdate =9 June 2012}}</ref>
<ref name=OBS-H-21>{{cite news|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/769293.stm | title=France Telecom clinches Orange deal|publisher=BBC | date = 30 May 2000 | accessdate =9 June 2012}}</ref>
<ref name=OBS-H-35>{{cite news |title = The Facts : 2004 |url=http://www.na.baesystems.com/PressKit/Facts.pdf |publisher=na.baesystems.com |page = 107 |accessdate=9 June 2012}}</ref>
<ref name=OBS-H-36>{{cite news |title = Hutchison Whampoa Releases Annual Results 1996 |url= http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Hutchison+Whampoa+Releases+Annual+Results-a019248829 |date =26 March 1996 |accessdate=9 June 2012}}</ref>
<ref name=OBS-H-37>{{cite news |title = Telecommunications - Hutchison Whampoa |url=http://www.irasia.com/listco/hk/hutchisonweb-new/eng/stock/finance/telecom.html |year = 1996 |accessdate=9 June 2012}}</ref>
<ref name=OBS-H-38>{{cite news |title = BAe's record-breaking sterling Eurobond issue |url=http://www.treasurers.org/system/files/TTOct99Brake14-15.pdf
|date = 22 June 1999 |accessdate=9 June 2012}}</ref>

}}

==External links==
{{Commons category|France Télécom|Orange S.A.}}
*{{Official website|http://www.orange.com}}

{{Orange S.A.}}
{{Navboxes|list1=
{{Euro Stoxx 50 Companies}}
{{CAC 40 companies}}
{{Telecommunications}}
{{Major information technology companies}}
{{French mobile phone companies}}
}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Orange S.A.}}
[[Category:Companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange]]
[[Category:Telecommunications companies of France]]
[[Category:Orange S.A.| ]]
[[Category:French brands]]
[[Category:Companies established in 1988]]
[[Category:1988 establishments in France]]
[[Category:CAC 40]]
[[Category:Companies in the Euro Stoxx 50]]

Partner Communications Company

2016-01-02T22:26:35Z

Shuki: /* Brand ownership */ Expected change in Feb 2016

{{Infobox company
| name = Partner Communications Company Ltd.
| logo = [[File:Orange logo.svg|150px]]
| type = [[Public company|Public]]
| traded_as = {{TASE|PTNR}} {{NASDAQ|PTNR}}
| genre =
| foundation = {{Start date|1999}}
| founder = [[Hutchison Telecommunications International|Hutchison Telecommunications International Limited]], [[Elbit Systems|Elbit]] and Eurocom
| location_city = [[Rosh HaAyin]]
| location_country = [[Israel]]
| location = 
| origins =
| key_people = Isaac Benbenisti ([[chief executive officer|CEO]])
| area_served = Israel, [[Israeli-occupied territories]]
| industry = Mobile telecommunications
| products =
| revenue = {{profit}} 1.83 billion USD (2011)<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120322005476/en/Partner-Communications-Reports-Q4-Annual-2011-Results |title=Partner Communications Reports Q4 and Annual 2011 Results |publisher=Business Wire |date=2012-03-22 |accessdate=2013-08-05}}</ref>
| operating_income = {{loss}} 271 million USD (2011)
| net_income = {{loss}} 115 million USD (2011)
| num_employees = 5700
| parent =
| divisions =
| subsid =
| owner = [[Scailex Corporation]] (51%)
| slogan =
| homepage = [http://www.orange.co.il www.orange.co.il]
| dissolved =
| footnotes =
}}

'''Partner Communications Company Ltd.''' (operating under the '''[[Orange S.A.|Orange]]''' brand name) is a [[mobile network operator]], [[internet service provider|internet]] [[Wi-Fi]] and [[telephone|fixed telephony]] service provider in Israel.

The company’s shares are traded on [[NASDAQ]] and the [[Tel Aviv Stock Exchange]], where it is a constituent of the [[TA-25 Index]]; since August 2009, [[Scailex Corporation]] (owned by businessman [[Ilan Ben Dov]]) controls 51% of its shares.<ref name="calcalist">{{cite web|url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3761158,00.html|title=Ilan Ben-Dov Buys Controlling Interest of Partner|publisher=[[Calcalist]]|date=August 12, 2009|accessdate=2009-08-18}}</ref>

==History==
[[File:Partner HQ.JPG|thumb|right|Partner HQ in [[Afek Industrial Park]]]]
Partner was founded in 1999 and was the third mobile network operator to enter the Israeli market, competing with the two incumbent operators - [[Cellcom (Israel)|Cellcom]] (Founded 1994) and [[Pelephone]] (Founded 1986). When it was announced that the Ministry of Telecommunication would grant a third cellular network license it was thought that there is no room for another company; hence only two companies responded to the tender: Partner, and a group called "Tapuz". After losing its bid, Tapuz (which incidentally means "[[Orange (fruit)|Orange]]" in Hebrew) became a part of Partner.

When it started operating in 1999, Partner was the first [[GSM]] cellular network in Israel (the others were using [[IS-95|CDMA]], [[Digital AMPS|TDMA]], or [[Integrated Digital Enhanced Network|iDEN]] technologies at that time), it allowed Israeli consumers to use their phones in other locations in the world with a similar network. The network was branded under the name "'''Orange'''" which was an international brand registered under the name of [[Hutchison Whampoa]] Hong-Kong, which was the major initial investor in the company.<ref>[http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2015/June/Orange-CEO-Backtracks-on-Cutting-Israel-Ties/ Orange CEO Backtracks on Cutting Israel Ties]</ref> The successful launch and promotion of the '''Orange''' brand is considered one of the best advertising efforts undertaken in Israel.

===Founding shareholders===

The initial shareholders in the consortium that bid for the third cellular network license in Israel, in addition to [[Hutchison Telecommunications International|Hutchison Telecom]], were [[Elbit Systems|Elbit]], MATAV (now part of [[HOT (Israel)|HOT)]], Eurocom and Polar Communications.

===2001 IPO===

In November 1999, only 11 months after it began operating, Partner had an [[initial public offering]] on [[NASDAQ]] and the [[London Stock Exchange]]; the shares were listed under the symbol PTNR on NASDAQ and under the symbol PCCD on the London Stock Exchange. The company raised $604m, enabling the initial investor consortium to recoup a significant portion of their investment swiftly.<ref name=Wire1999>{{Citation
| title = J.P. Morgan announces Partner Communications' $604 million ADR IPO on Nasdaq; Israeli mobile telephone company founded by Hutchison Whampoa, marketed under The Orange Brand.
| url = http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-57050995.html
| publisher = Business Wire, --November 1, 1999--
}}</ref>

In 2001 the shares were also listed on the [[Tel Aviv Stock Exchange]] under the symbol PTNR and became a constitute of the [[TA-25 Index]].

===Hutchison takes full control===

Through the years, the ownership of Partner Communications changed dramatically. The original Israeli partners sold the majority of their shares and eventually held only a small percentage of the company. Other than the public, the biggest shareholder became [[Hutchison Telecommunications International|Hutchison Telecom]] (51.6%). The Egyptian company [[Orascom Telecom Holding|Orascom]] bought 20% of Hucthison, and as a result, held 9.99% of Partner's shares indirectly.

===Sale to Scailex Corporation===

During 2009 Hutchison decided to exit their investment in Partner and sold their 51% controlling stake to businessman Ilan Ben-Dov, who made his fortune holding the exclusive rights to market the [[Samsung]] mobile phones in Israel. The company was sold to [[Scailex Corporation]] (a company controlled by Ben-Dov) for [[Israeli new shekel|NIS]] 5.29 billion (about USD $1.38 billion).

==Brand ownership==
{{further|Orange Business Services#History|Orange (UK)#History|Orange SA#History}}
The 'Orange' brand that the company uses under license, belongs to [[Orange S.A.]] (formerly France Télécom), which is not related to the current owners of Partner. Orange decided to let Partner keep using the name because of the network's wide commercial success and brand recognition, with a deal running through 2025,<ref>[http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/74637-150612-richard-to-netyanyahu-orange-doesn-t-participate-in-boycotts-of-israel Richard to Netanyahu: 'Orange doesn't participate in boycotts of Israel]</ref> at a rate of NIS 15 million per year.<ref>[http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-orange-to-pay-partner-up-to-90m-1001048877 Orange to pay Partner up to €90m]</ref> This situation occurred following the sale of the Orange Group by [[Hutchison Whampoa]], which did not include the holding in [[Hutchison Telecommunications International|Hutchison Telecom]].

In June 2015 the CEO of Orange, Stephane Richard, stated he would cancel his licensing deal with Israel tomorrow if he was able to.<ref>[http://www.timesofisrael.com/orange-ceo-sows-confusion-on-israel-trip-aimed-to-resolve-dispute/ Orange CEO sows confusion on Israel trip aimed to resolve dispute]</ref> In the following days Richard stated his comments were taken out of context and he supported his deal with Israel and intended to maintain the deal.<ref>[http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israel-france-orange-netanyahu-20150612-story.html French telecom exec says company wants to keep investing in Israel]</ref> Richard later clarified his statements stating his comments were not politically motivated and meant only that he wished Orange to only be in countries which they operated and not licensing the name.<ref>[http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Orange-CEO-says-his-company-plans-to-invest-more-in-Israel-405929 Orange CEO says his company plans to invest more in Israel]</ref> On 12 June Richard visited Israel and met with [[Benjamin Netanyahu]] to personally apologize and to commit to their future partnership with Israel.<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/world/middleeast/orange-ceo-stephane-richard-meets-with-netanyahu-over-israel-remarks.html?_r=0 French Executive Apologizes to Netanyahu After His Remarks Prompt an Uproar]</ref>

On 30 June 2015, Orange and Partner announced a change to their 10-year licensing agreement. Orange paid Partner NIS 168 million, to add an opt out clause to the contract,<ref>[http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/197485#.VZKYyWJdXy0 Israeli Co. to Be Paid Millions After Orange Faux Pas]</ref> with which Partner intends to conduct a market survey which is determine the best course of action moving forward.<ref>[http://www.jta.org/2015/06/30/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/israeli-affiliate-to-stop-using-orange-name-in-24-months-under-new-deal Israeli affiliate to stop using Orange name in 24 months under new deal]</ref> In the first year only Partner can opt out, with either party being able to opt out in the second year.<ref>[https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2015/06/30/orange-group-and-partner-communications-outline-new-relationship-framework-agreement/ Orange Group and Partner Communications outline new relationship framework agreement]</ref> Regardless of which party opts to exercise the out clause, Orange will pay partner an additional NIS 210 million to end the arrangement.<ref>[http://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/Orange-Partner-pave-way-for-cutting-ties-following-BDS-controversy-407563 Orange, Partner pave way for cutting ties following BDS controversy]</ref> Orange stated that the money paid to Partner was purely for re-branding purposes and affirmed their previous statement that their wish to leave Israel is based on desire to discontinue license agreements and maintain only subsidiaries that they control, rather than a boycott.<ref>[http://www.timesofisrael.com/telecom-giant-orange-to-end-israel-presence-within-2-years/ Telecom giant Orange to end Israel presence within 2 years]</ref> Orange would make the relevant payments over the course of two years and charge it to their books as a mix of marketing, sales, customer services and related expenses.<ref>[http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2015/06/30/orange-rejigs-brand-licensing-agreement-with-partner-at-cost-of-up-to-e90-million-if-leaves-israel/ Orange Redoes Brand Licensing Agreement With Partner Costs Up To $100 Million If It Leaves Israel]</ref> As part of the agreement Orange's research and development activities within Israel would transition to the Orange name, but would be restricted from entering the telecommunications services market.<ref>[http://www.digitaltveurope.net/390902/orange-strikes-new-deal-with-partner-communications/ Orange strikes new deal with Partner Communications]</ref>

At the beginning of January 2016, it was leaked to the media that Partner plans on switching to a new (and still unknown) brand name already in February 2016.<ref name=TheMarker>{{cite news|url=http://www.themarker.com/technation/1.2812669 |script-title=he:תום העידן הכתום: פרטנר  תיפרד מהמותג אורנג' - כבר בפברואר |language=Hebrew|trans_title=End of the Orange Era: Partner to Part With the Orange Brand |date=2 January 2016|date=3 January 2016 |last=Libeskind |first=Kalman |publisher=TheMarker}}</ref>

==Operations==
Partner Communications commenced full commercial operations in January 1999 and by 31 March 2001 had over 1,000,000 subscribers, representing an estimated 21% of the cellular market in Israel at that time.<ref>{{Citation
| title = Investor Releases - Fact Sheet Q1 2001.pdf
| url = http://www.orange.co.il/Res/Investor_Releases/PDF%5CFact%20Sheet/FS_Q1_2001.pdf
}}</ref> As of June 2009 it has 2,944,000 subscribers and a 32% market share, while the other mobile operators in Israel have: 35% - Cellcom, 29% - Pelephone and 4% - MIRS.<ref>{{Citation
| title = Investor Releases - Fact Sheet Q2 2009.pdf
| url = http://www.orange.co.il/res/Investor_Releases/PDF/Fact%20Sheet/fact%20sheet%20Q2%2009%20final.pdf
}}</ref>

The Orange network utilizes [[GSM]] (900 MHz/1800 MHz), [[Universal Mobile Telecommunications System|UMTS]] (900/2100 MHz) technology and for 3G services; an [[Evolved HSPA|HSPA+]] network that currently covers over 90% of the country, as well as an [[LTE (telecommunication)|LTE]] network (1800 MHz). Users of the network can use advanced services all over the world due to roaming agreements with 350 GSM and 130 UMTS international networks. 23% of the network users are business customers, 29% are pre-paid customers and the rest are private post-paid customers.

The prefix (area code) for Orange customers is 054, although customers who requested to keep their old number from a different cellular company may have a different area code, as required by law.<ref>[http://www.nbn.org.il/aliyahpedia/community-housing/setting-up-your-home-in-israel/phones-internet-and-tv/ Phone, Internet and TV]</ref>

On 15 January 2007 Partner was granted a license to provide terrestrial telecommunications nationwide which gives it the option to operate a wired telephony; initially the service was provided for large businesses only.

On 1 January 2009, the company commercially launched its [[Internet service provider|ISP]] services and [[Landline]] services (based on the [[Session Initiation Protocol]]) for private users and small businesses. These services rely on the combination of [[Nokia Siemens Networks|Nokia Siemens Network]] core services and [[Siemens]] Gigaset residential gateway. The combination of these allowed Partner to launch several unique services such as multiple calls on a single line, or *77 which allows users to choose whether to answer an incoming call on their home phone or their Orange mobile phone.

== See also ==
* [[Hutchison Telecommunications International]]
* [[Communications in Israel]]
* [[Golan Telecom]]
* [[List of mobile network operators of the Middle East and Africa#Israel|List of mobile network operators of Israel]]

==References==
{{reflist|30em}}

==External links==
* [http://www.orange.co.il Main portal] {{he icon}}

{{TA 25 companies}}
{{Orange S.A.}}

[[Category:Mobile phone companies of Israel]]
[[Category:Israeli companies listed on the London Stock Exchange|Partner Communications]]
[[Category:Companies listed on NASDAQ]]
[[Category:Israeli brands]]

Kálmán

2016-01-02T22:14:02Z

Shuki: /* Given name */ +Kalman Liebskind

{{TOC_right}}
'''Kálmán''' is a [[Hungarian people|Hungarian]] surname and male given name, also current among [[Jew]]s in other countries (קלמן in Hebrew) .<ref>http://www.behindthename.com/name/ka10lma10n</ref> Outside Hungary, the name occurs sometimes in the form '''Kalman'''.

It may refer to:

==Surname==
* [[Attila Kalman]] ({{lang-hu|[[Attila Kálmán]]}}, born 1968), Hungarian, organist, pianist; [[:de:Attila Kalman|(de)]]
* [[Charles Kálmán|Charles ''(Károly)'' Kálmán]] (1929–2015), Hungarian-Austrian Jewish composer; [[:de:Charles Kálmán|(de)]]
* [[Debra Kalman]], a U.S. Jewish television actress
* [[Emmerich Kálmán]] (1882–1953), composer of operettas
* [[Maira Kalman]] (born 1949), an Israeli-U.S. graphic designer and illustrator
* [[Oszkár Kálmán]] (1887–1971), a Hungarian bass singer
* [[Rudolf E. Kálmán]] (born 1930), Hungarian mathematician and electrical engineer
* [[Tibor Kalman]] (1949–1999), Hungarian graphic designer

==Given name==
* [[Kalman J. Cohen]] (died 2010), an American Jewish economist
* [[Kálmán Bartalis]] (1889–?), a Hungarian polo player
* [[Kalman Bloch]] (1913–2009), a US Jewish clarinetist
* [[Kálmán Darányi]] (1886–1939), a Hungarian politician
* [[Kálmán Ferenczfalvi]] (1921-2005 in Debrecen) was a Hungarian [[Righteous Among the Nations]]
* [[Kálmán Giergl]] (1863–1954), a Hungarian architect
* [[Koloman Gögh|Kálmán Gőgh]] ({{lang-de|Koloman Gögh}}, 1948, [[Kladno]]–1995)
* [[Kálmán Hazai]] (1913–1996), a Hungarian water polo player
* [[Kálmán Hunyady de Kéthely]] (1828–1901), a Hungarian nobleman
* [[Kálmán Ihász]] (born 1941), a Hungarian footballer
* [[Kálmán Kalocsay]] (1891–1976)
* [[Kálmán Kandó]] (1869–1931)
* [[Kálmán Kánya]] (1869–1945), a Foreign Minister of Hungary
* [[Kálmán Katona]] (born 1948), a Hungarian politician
* [[Kálmán Kertész]] (1867–1922), a Hungarian entomologist
* [[Kálmán Kittenberger]] (1881–1958), a Hungarian traveller, natural historian, biologist
* [[Kálmán Konrád]] (1896–1980), a Hungarian football player
* [[Kalman Konya]] (born 1961, Zürich), a Switzerland-born Hungarian-German shot putter
* [[Kálmán Kovács]] (born 1965), a Hungarian football player
* [[Kálmán Kovács (canoer)]], a Hungarian sprint canoer
* [[Kálmán Kubinyi]] (1906, [[Cleveland]]–1973, [[Stockbridge, Massachusetts]]), an Hungarian-US influential etcher
* [[Kalman Kahana]] (1910–1991; {{lang-he|קלמן כהנא}}), an Israeli politician and journalist
* [[Kalman Liebskind]] (born 1970), an Israeli journalist.
* [[Kalman Mann]] (1912-1997), 8th director general of [[Hadassah Medical Center|Hadassah Medical Organization]]
* [[Kálmán Markovits]] (born 1931), a Hungarian water polo player
* [[Kalman Menyhart]] (born 1955), a Hungarian football player
* [[Kálmán Mészöly]] (born 1941), a former Hungarian football (soccer) player
* [[Kálmán Mikszáth]] (1847–1910), a Hungarian novelist, journalist, politician
* [[Kálmán Petrikovics]], a Hungarian sprint canoer
* [[Kalman Packouz]], a US orthodox rabbi
* [[Carl Mayer von Rothschild|Kalman Mayer Rothschild]] (1788-1855), founder of the Rothschild banking family of Naples
* [[Kálmán Rózsahegyi]] (1873–1961), a Hungarian actor and teacher
* [[Kálmán Sóvári]] (born 1940), a Hungarian footballer
* [[Kálmán Sóvári (wrestler)]] (1910–1996), a Hungarian wrestler
* [[Kálmán Szabó]] (born 1980), a Hungarian football player
* [[Kálmán Széll]] (1843–1915), a Hungarian politician
* [[Kálmán Thaly]] (1839–1909), a Hungarian poet, historian and politician
* [[Kálmán Tihanyi]] (1897–1947), a Hungarian physicist, electrical engineer, inventor
* [[Kálmán Tisza]] (1830–1902)
* [[Kálmán Tóth]] (1831–1891), a Hungarian poet

===Middle name===
* [[Kalonymus Kalman Epstein]] (born c. 1753, Neustadt, now Poland)
* [[Kalonymus Kalman Shapira]] (1889–1943), a Grand Rabbi of Piaseczno
* [[Jón Kalman Stefánsson]] (born 1963), an Icelandic author
* [[Karl Targownik|Karl Kalman Targownik]] (1915 - 1996), a psychiatrist and Holocaust survivor.

===Mononym===
* [[Coloman of Hungary]], [[king of Hungary]] (1095–1116)
* [[Coloman of Lodomeria|Prince Kálmán (Coloman) of Lodomeria]] (1208–1241), a Hungarian member of the Árpád dynasty, Prince of Halych

==Asteroid==
* [[4992 Kálmán]], a main belt [[asteroid]]

==Signal processing==
* [[Kalman decomposition]]
* [[Kalman filter]]
** [[Ensemble Kalman filter]] (EnKF), a recursive filter
** [[Extended Kalman filter]]
** [[Fast Kalman filter]] (FKF)
* [[Kalman–Yakubovich–Popov lemma]]
* All named for the American engineer [[Rudolf E. Kálmán]], one of their inventors.

== See also ==
* ''[[Kalmann]] ([[Kallmann]], [[Kallman]], [[Calman (disambiguation)]], [[Callmann]], [[Callman]])''–other [[Jewish]] given names ({{lang-he|'''קלמן'''}}) and variants
* ''[[Kalmanson]], [[Kalmanovitz]], etc.''
* ''[[Kolomann]], [[Koloman]] ([[Coloman]])''

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Kalman}}
[[Category:Hungarian masculine given names]]

[[de:Kálmán]]
[[hu:Kálmán]]
[[ru:Кальман]]

User:Shuki

2015-12-28T22:50:18Z

Shuki: /* Interesting places recently visited */ +AR, CO

{{Babel|en|CommonwealthE Canadian|he-4|fr-2}}
<div style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; width: 242px; border: #99B3FF solid 1px">
{{User:Ilikepie2221/UBX/MadeArticles|159}}
{{User:JohnRussell/wikipedianumedits|11 000}}
{{Template:User Wikipedian For|year=2005|month=11|day=24}}
{{User:Equazcion/User watched|63}}
</div>

[[Image:BoNM - Israel.png|left|frame|I, [[User:Ynhockey|Ynhockey]], hereby award you the [[Wikipedia:Barnstars|Israeli Barnstar of National Merit]] for your extensive contributions to Israel-related articles, especially on the subject of Israeli localities.]]

[[Image:Barnstar_of_National_Merit.png|left|frame|I, [[User:Michaelas10|Michaelas10]], hereby award you the [[Wikipedia:Barnstars|Barnstar of National Merit]] for your '''''still continuing''''' contributions to Israel-related articles.]]

<center>[[User:Shuki/ToDo|To do list]] | [[Portal:Israel/New|Add New]] | [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=ownwork|add image]] | [[User:Shuki/Editing|Edit shortcuts]]</center>

===Articles/stubs about Israel/Jewish issues either started or significantly expanded by Shuki===

<div style="font-size:80%">
====People====
[[Yitzchak Kaduri|Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri]], [[Chaim Landau]], [[Ze’ev Lev]], [[Yitzhak Nissim|Rabbi Yitzhak Nissim]], [[Benzion Meir Chai Uziel|Rabbi Benzion Meir Chai Uziel]], [[Moshe Shmuel Shapira|Rabbi Moshe Shmuel Shapira]], [[Naftali Asher Yeshayahu Moscowitz|Rabbi Naftali Asher Yeshayahu Moscowitz]], [[Shlomo Eliyashiv|Rabbi Shlomo Eliyashiv]], [[Ephraim Einhorn|Rabbi Ephraim Einhorn]], [[Maurice Wohl]], [[Menachem Froman|Rabbi Menachem Froman]], [[Yaakov Ariel|Rabbi Yaakov Ariel]], [[Adi Ran‎]], [[Udi Davidi]], [[Adir Zik]], [[Yossi Harel‎]], [[Mazor Bahaina]], [[Avichai Rontzki]], [[Mordechai Limon]], [[Israel Weiss]], [[Haggai Hoberman]], [[Neal Hendel]], [[Aryeh Stern]], [[Gavriel Zinner]], [[Eliezer Igra]], [[Mordechai Lavi]], [[David Lau]]

====Places====
[[Alei Zahav]], [[Allon Road]], [[Arena Stadium]], [[Ariel (city)]], [[Ateret]], [[Avnei Hefetz]], [[Barkan]], [[Barkan Industrial Park]], [[Bedolah]], [[Beit Hagai]], [[Beit Horon]], [[Beit Yatir]], [[Bnei Atzmon]], [[Bruchin]], [[Dugit]], [[Einav]], [[Eli (town)]], [[Elon Moreh]], [[Gadid]], [[Gan Or]], [[Giv'at Har'el]], [[Har Bracha]], [[Haresha]], [[Highway 1 (Israel)]], [[Highway 5 (Israel)]], [[Hemdat]], [[Hod HaSharon Railway Station]], [[Homesh]], [[Itamar (town)]], [[Kedumim]], [[Kerem Atzmona]], [[Kifl Hares]], [[Kiryat Netafim]], [[Ma'ale Efrayim]], [[Ma'ale Hever]], [[Ma'ale Michmas]], [[Ma'ale Rehav'am]], [[Ma'ale Shomron]], [[Mevo Dotan]], [[Migdalim]], [[Migron (village)]], [[Mitzpe Kramim]], [[Negohot]], [[Netzer Hazani]], [[Netzarim (settlement)]], [[Nili (village)]], [[Nofei Nehemiah‎]], [[Or HaGanuz]], [[Oranit]], [[Pe'at Sade]], [[Peduel]], [[Pnei Kedem]], [[Rafiah Yam]], [[Revava]], [[Rimonim]], [[Rotem (village)]], [[Route 90 (Israel)]], [[Sebastia, Middle East|Sebastia]], [[Sha'arei Tikva]], [[Shirat Hayam]], [[Shluhot]], [[Slav (settlement)|Slav]], [[Talmon]], [[Tel Katifa]], [[Telem (village)]], [[Tzofim (village)]], [[Yitzhar]], [[Administrative divisions of the Oslo Accords]], [[Shahak Industrial Park]], [[Yavne Railway Station]], [[Itzkovitch]], [[Great Synagogue (Petah Tikva)]],

====''Things''====
[[Noblesse (cigarette)]], [[List of regional councils in Israel]], [[Regional council (Israel)]], [[Mobi 63]], [[NFC (news)]], [[Partner Communications]], [[Union Bank of Israel]], [[Israel Discount Bank]], [[Migdal (company)]], [[Metronit]], [[Tara (Israel)]], [[Steimatzky]], [[Me'am Lo'ez]], [[Israel HaYom]], [[Metro Israel]], [[Alliance Tire Company Ltd.]], [[Ahava (company)]], [[Eitam]], [[IAI Herod]], [[Human Rights Organization of Judea and Samaria]], [[Elbit Hermes 90]], [[Afikim (company)]], [[:Burqa Barbie]], [[:Hatzi Hinam]], [[:Organ donation in Japan]], [[:Elbit Hermes 900]], [[:International rankings of Israel]], [[Kol BaRama]], [[Kol Chai]], [[2012 Ozar Hatorah Toulouse shooting]], [[Mekimi]]

====Education====
[[College of Judea and Samaria]], [[Jerusalem Academy of Music and Dance]], [[Jerusalem College of Technology]], [[Bnei Chayil]]

====Regional Councils====
[[Beit Shean Valley Regional Council]], [[Bnei Shimon Regional Council]], [[Bustan El Merag Regional Council]], [[Drom Hasharon Regional Council]], [[Golan Regional Council]], [[Gush Etzion Regional Council]], [[Mateh Binyamin Regional Council]], [[Shomron Regional Council]], [[Emek Hayarden Regional Council]], [[Biq'at Hayarden Regional Council]], [[Har Hebron Regional Council]], [[Matte Asher Regional Council]], [[Merom HaGalil Regional Council]], [[Nakhal Sorek Regional Council]], [[Hof Aza Regional Council‎]]

====Categories====
[[:Category:Regional councils in Israel|Regional councils in Israel]], [[:Category:Shopping malls in Israel|Shopping malls in Israel]], [[:Category:Synagogues in Montreal|Synagogues in Montreal]], [[:Category:Mobile phone companies of Israel|Mobile phone companies of Israel]], [[:Category:Telecommunications companies of Israel|Telecommunications companies of Israel]], [[:Category:Transportation companies of Israel|Transportation companies of Israel]], [[:Category:Software companies of Israel|Software companies of Israel]], [[:Category:Food companies of Israel|Food companies of Israel]], [[:Category:Gates in Jerusalem's Old City Walls|Gates in Jerusalem's Old City Walls]], [[:Category:Insurance companies of Israel|Insurance companies of Israel]], [[:Category:Financial services companies of Israel|Financial services companies of Israel]], [[:Category:National parks of Israel|National parks of Israel]], [[:Category:Media companies of Israel|Media companies of Israel]], [[:Category:Publishing companies of Israel|Publishing companies of Israel]], [[:Category:Retailers in Israel|Retailers in Israel]], [[:Category:Internet companies of Israel|Internet companies of Israel]], [[:Category:Defunct companies of Israel|Defunct companies of Israel]], [[:Category:Sports television in Israel|Sports television in Israel]], [[:Category:Sports media in Israel|Sports media in Israel]], [[:Category:Mateh Binyamin Regional Council|Mateh Binyamin Regional Council]], [[:Category:Mixed Israeli settlements|Mixed Israeli settlements]], [[:Category:Environmental issues in Israel|Environmental issues in Israel]], [[:Category:Disaster preparedness in Israel|Disaster preparedness in Israel]], [[:Category:Florists|Florists]], [[:Category:International trade of Israel|Category:International trade of Israel]], [[:Category:Banking in Israel|Category:Banking in Israel]], [[:Category:Architecture firms of Israel|Category:Architecture firms of Israel]], [[:Category:Housing in Israel|Category:Housing in Israel]], [[:Category:Volunteer organizations of Israel|Category:Volunteer organizations of Israel]]

====Images====
[[:Image:Maalehefrayim1.jpg|M.Efrayim]], [[:Image:MaalehMichmas1.jpg|M. Michmas1]], [[:Image:MaalehMichmas2.jpg|MM2]], [[:Image:MaalehMichmas3.jpg|MM3]], [[:Image:Kaduri funeral.JPG|Kaduri funeral]], [[:Image:GushEtzionRC.jpg|GushEtzionRC]], [[:Image:Herodian2.jpg|Herodian]], [[:Image:Nokdim.jpg|Nokdim]], [[:Image:Caleb2.jpg|Caleb]], [[:Image:Nun2.jpg|Nun1]], [[:Image:Nun3.jpg|Nun3]], [[:Image:Rashbi.jpg|Rashbi]], [[:Image:H6 HQ.jpg|H6 HQ]], [[:Image:BabaSaliTomb men.jpg|BabaSaliTomb1]], [[:Image:BabaSaliTomb women.jpg|BSTomb2]], [[:Image:BabaSaliTomb exterior.jpg|BSTomb3]], [[:Image:Armoured front loader.jpg|IDF armoured FL]], [[:Image:KiryatMoshe GivatShaul.jpg|KiryatMoshe,GivatShaul]], [[:Image:TelYodfat.jpg|TelYodfat]], [[:Image:AllonRoad.jpg|AllonRoad.jpg]], [[:Image:PKedem.JPG|PKedem]], [[:Image:Elon Moreh.jpg|ElonMoreh]], [[:Image:Rahamei Tirtzah ark.jpg|EM2]], [[:Image:Barak devorah.jpg|Barak/Deborah]], [[:Image:Yesod_HaMa'ala_synagogue.jpg|ym]], [[:Image:Immanuel HQ.jpg|Immanuel1]], [[:Image:Immanuel playgroung.jpg|Immanuel2]], [[:Image:Kach.jpg|kc]], [[:Image:Shilo centr synagogue.jpg|Shilo1]], [[:Image:Shilo.jpg|Shilo2]], [[:Image:Joshua1.jpg|Joshua]], [[:Image:Kifl_Hares.jpg|KH]], [[:Image:Tasrich2.jpg]], [[:Image:GanRaveh.jpg]],[[:Image:GanRavehBus.jpg]], [[:Image:RabanGamliel.jpg]], [[:Image:RabanGamliel2.jpg]], [[:Image:Augusteum.JPG]], [[:Image:SebastiaChurch1.JPG]], [[:Image:SebastiaChurch2.JPG]], [[:Image:ShaveiShomron.jpg]], [[:Image:Sebastia vill.jpg]], [[:Image:SamariaHellenisticTower.JPG]], [[:Image:ZakaAmbulance.JPG]], [[:Image:KfarShammai.JPG]], [[:File:Gea_synagogue.JPG]], [[:File:Area A.JPG]], [[:File:Araqa.JPG]], [[:File:Shaked.JPG]], [[:File:Hermesh.JPG]], [[:File:Hermesh HaderaPowerStation.JPG]], [[:File:Leumit Shaked.JPG]], [[:File:Mevo Dotan.JPG]], [[:File:Tyreq logo.JPG]], [[:File:Tyreq offices.JPG]], [[:File:Tire Crumb.JPG]], [[:File:Tires and shredded.JPG]], [[:File:Shredded tires.JPG]], [[:File:Shredded tires2.JPG]], [[:File:Tire art.JPG]]

===Other articles/stubs either started or significantly expanded by Shuki===
[[:Category:Rapid transit in Canada|Rapid transit in Canada]], [[:Category:Rapid transit in Mexico|Rapid transit in Mexico]], [[:Category:Samara, Russia|Samara, Russia]], [[:Category:Toei Subway|Toei Subway]], [[:Category:Tokyo Metro|Tokyo Metro]], [[:Category:Kobe Municipal Subway|Kobe Municipal Subway]], [[:Category:Telecommunications companies of Serbia|Telecommunications companies of Serbia]], [[:Category:Mobile phone companies of Serbia|Mobile phone companies of Serbia]], [[:Category:Shopping malls in Montreal|Shopping malls in Montreal]], [[:Military decorations of Mexico]], [[:Spectrum (Montreal)]]

===Interesting places recently visited===
{| style="border:1px; border: thin solid grey; background-color:#FBFAE6"
|align="right"|
|align="left"|
[[Image:Flag of Argentina.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of Belgium.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of Colombia.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of the Dominican Republic.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of England.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of France.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of Greece.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of Italy.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of Lebanon.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of the Netherlands.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of South Africa.svg|40px]]
[[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|40px]]
|}

Mekimi

2015-12-28T22:32:31Z

Shuki: /* top */ infobox tweak

{{Infobox non-profit
| name = Mekimi
| image = Mekimi_logo.png
| type =
| founded_date = 
| tax_id =
| registration_id =
| founder =
| location = Israel
| coordinates = 
| origins =
| key_people =
| area_served =
| product =
| mission = provides solutions, counsel and guidance to families and individuals in financial distress.
| focus =
| method =
| revenue =
| endowment =
| num_volunteers =
| num_employees = 4 (as of 2013)
| num_members =
| subsid =
| opponents =
| owner =
| non-profit_slogan =
| former name =
| website = {{URL|http://www.mekimi.org.il/en}}
| dissolved =
| footnotes =
}}
'''Mekimi''' is a [[non-profit organization]] operating in [[Israel]] aimed at assisting families in financial distress so that they may regain their economic independence.

Based in [[Jerusalem]] and established in 2011, Mekimi is not a sectorial organization yet the majority of families seeking help from Mekimi come from the [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]] segment.<ref name=Netzer/> Mekimi works with the families and professionals such as lawyers, accountants, mortgage brokers, and even marriage counselours to restructure family debt which has so far included cases between 20 000NIS to 500 000NIS. One of Mekimi's unique features is to galvanize the community around the family in financial crisis and without the community knowing specifically who is being helped. Mekimi raises money to help the family settle debts from banks, lenders and even [[loan shark]]s and also teaches them to reduce usage or altogether stop using credit cards, cheques. The service is given free of charge. In April 2014, [[Petah Tikva]] was the location of Mekimi' opening a second branch.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/273963 |title=סניף חדש של עמותת "מקימי" במרכז הארץ|language=Hebrew|trans_title=New branch of Mekimi in the centre of the country |date=3 April 2014|accessdate=7 April 2014 |last=Ben Porat|first=Ido|publisher=inn.co.il}}</ref>

Yisrael Livman, formerly the vice-president of operations at [[Paamonim]], founded Mekimi in memory of both his father who had died and a brother who had been killed, and now serves as the organization's director. Livman explains the motivation behind forming a similar organization in that while Paamonim helps the vast majority of families that approach it, it ends up turning away some hard cases which it does not have the resources to assist. Livman took on the challenge to help those extreme cases.<ref name=Netzer>{{cite news|url=http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000827555 |title=דתיים משלמים הרבה על חינוך - חילונים לא מבינים|language=Hebrew|trans_title=Religious people spend more on education - non-religious people don't understand |date=7 March 2013|accessdate=2 February 2014 |last=Netzer |first=Ranan|publisher=globes.co.il}}</ref> Some of the families get stuck in the vicious downward cycle of black market moneylenders and in these cases, Livman might meet with them in order to restructure and mediate a solution to pay off the loan. Mekimi has publicly called for banks to resist tempting customers to go further into debt and for families to make do with what they have even if it means selling a car or moving to a smaller home.<ref name=INN>{{cite news|url=http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/256287 |title=מנכ"ל מקימי: אל תקחו הלוואות|language=Hebrew|trans_title=Don't take loans |date=22 May 2013|accessdate=2 February 2014 |last=Toker |first=Benny|publisher=Inn.co.il}}</ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.mekimi.org.il/en Mekimi English website]

[[Category:Charities based in Israel]]

Hechsher

2015-12-28T22:25:10Z

Shuki: /* Specific authorities */ OU source

{{main|Kashrut}}
{{refimprove|date=January 2009}}
{{Infobox certification mark
| name = Hechsher
| image = [[File:Oulogob.svg|150px]]
| caption = The hechsher of the [[Orthodox Union]] is the most widely known kosher certification in the world.
| expansion =
| agency =
| region =
| founded =
| defunct =
| predecessor =
| successor =
| products = Food products
| type = Religious
| legalstatus =
| mandatorysince =
| homepage =
}}

A '''hechsher''' ({{IPAc-en|h|ɛ|x|ʃ|ər}}; {{lang-he|תעודת כשרות}} {{IPA-he|ˈheχʃeʁ|}} "kosher approval"; plural: ''hechsherim'') is a rabbinical [[product certification]], qualifying items (usually foods) that conform to the requirements of [[halakha]].

==Forms==
A hechsher may be a printed and signed certificate displayed at a commercial venue or on a media advertisement advising the consumer that the subjected product is [[Kosher]]. Such certificates usually display the name of the rabbinical court issuing the hechsher, the name of the business or product, date of issue, expiry date and stamp of rabbi who issued the certificate.

It may also be a [[certification mark]]ing on individual retail packaging of items which have been certified as Kosher. This marking is usually a basic stamp or emblem indicating the issuing rabbinical court. Modern hechsherim display sophisticated holograms and seals which are hard to forge.<ref>{{cite web | url=http://forward.com/articles/9003/kosher-goes-high-tech-in-fraud-fight/ | title=Kosher Goes High Tech in Fraud Fight | publisher=The Jewish Daily Forward | date=24 November 2006 | accessdate=January 18, 2013 | author=Popper, Nathaniel}}</ref>

==Types==

A hechsher is typically issued for food products and is issued on non-food items such as cleaning agents and disposable cutlery which come in contact with foods certifying its ingredients as not containing any animal extracts or other halakhically prohibited substances.

The dietary laws of [[kashrut]] specify food items that may be eaten and others that are prohibited as set out in the [[613 mitzvot|commandments]] of the [[Torah]].

Observant [[Jew]]s will generally only eat permitted foods. To assist Jewish consumers, [[rabbi]]nic authorities produce and regulate their own ''hechsherim''. It is usually [[Orthodox Judaism|Orthodox]] rabbis who assume the jobs of ''[[mashgichim]]'' (singular: ''[[mashgiach]]'', "supervisor"). This means that they will "supervise" the products and processes that manufacture kosher food to ensure compliance with the required standards. The ''mashgiach'' will allow the manufacturer to apply a ''hechsher'' to the packaging of the product only if found to contain only kosher ingredients and produced in accordance with ''halakha''.

The rabbi may also apply additional words or letters after the ''hechsher'' to denote whether the product contains [[Kosher foods#Meat|meat]] (often denoted "Meat"), [[Kosher foods#Dairy|dairy]] (D or Dairy), neither meat nor dairy ([[Kosher foods#Pareve|Pareve]]), whether the product is [[Kosher foods#Kosher for Passover|Kosher for Passover]] because it contains no [[chametz]] (P), whether the product is ''[[Pas Yisroel]]'' (bread baked at least in part by a Jew), ''[[cholov yisroel]]'' (any dairy products came from Jewish owned farms), or whether the product is [[yoshon]] (lit. "old": all grain contents took root before the previous [[Passover]]).

It is also common for rabbis to issue a hechsher on religious accessories, such as [[tefillin]], [[mezuzot]] and [[tzitzit]] which must be produced according to specific halakhic procedures and requirements. Other items which are used for religious practice such as [[Four Species]] bear hechsher testifying that they confirm to halakhic requirements.

In Israel it is common for manufacturers of all kinds to display a hechsher on products or in commercial advertisement certifying that their production was not done during the [[Shabbat]].

==History==

===Seals===
[[Image:Menorah 0307.jpg|thumb|upright|A reconstruction of the Menorah of the Temple created by the [[Temple Institute]]]]
The [[Babylonian Talmud]] (Shabbat 21b) (תלמוד בבלי מסכת שבת דף כא/ב) cites the first example of a kashrut seal. The seal of the [[High Priest (Judaism)|Kohen Gadol]] on jugs containing olive oil used in the [[Temple in Jerusalem|Jewish Temple]] for the lighting of the [[Menorah (Temple)|Menorah]]. The Menorah has since become a symbol for purity in Jewish tradition.

'LMLK seals' (למלך) were stamped on the handles of large storage jars mostly in and around [[Jerusalem]] during the reign of King [[Hezekiah]] (circa 700 BC) based on several complete jars found ''[[in situ]]'' buried under a [[destruction layer]] caused by [[Sennacherib]] at [[Lachish]].<ref>Ussishkin (2004), ''The Renewed Archaeological Excavations at Lachish'', p. 89 ("As the work of the renewed excavations developed it became clear that the destruction of Level III must be assigned to Sennacherib's attack in 701 BCE.").</ref>

[[Image:Lmlk-seal impression-h2d-gg22 2003-02-21.jpg|thumb|LMLK stamp; [[Redondo Beach, California|Redondo Beach]] collection #22]]

None of the original [[Stamp seal|seals]] have been found, but about 2,000 impressions (also referred to as ''stamps'') made by at least 21 seal types have been published.

The practice of marking food as a sign of kashrut can be dated back as far as the Byzantine period (6th century CE). According to archeologists, Jews of Uzah, Israel stamped their dough with impressions of the Jewish Temple Menorah whilst preparing bread, in order for consumers to verify its kashrut. One such clay stamp was discovered in an excavation near [[Acre, Israel|Akko]] in December 2011.

Dr. David Amit of the [[Israel Antiquities Authority]], who has made a study of bread stamps explained the find; “A potter engraved the menorah image in the surface of the stamp prior to firing it in a kiln, whereas the owner’s name was engraved in the stamp’s handle after firing. Hence we can assume that a series of stamps bearing the menorah symbol were produced for Jewish bakers, and each of these bakers carved his name on the handle, which also served as a stamp.

"In this way the dough could be stamped twice before baking: once with the menorah – the general symbol of the Jewish identity of Jewish bakeries, and again with the private name of the baker in each of these bakeries, which also guaranteed the bakery’s kashrut." [http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151586]

===Certification===
An 11th-century certificate found in the [[Cairo Geniza]] written by a rabbinical court, testified the kosher status "according to rabbinic law" of the cheeses being sold by a [[Karaite Judaism|Karaite]] grocer, Yefet b. Meshullam of Jerusalem. The document explains that the cheese was produced in a factory on the [[Mount of Olives]] that followed rabbinic practice.

The certificate reads: "The cheeses are kosher and it is appropriate for Rabbanite Jews to purchase them. We grant this permission only after having made a formal purchase from him and having witnessed an oath he took on the holy Torah"

It may be important to note that the Karaite and Rabbanite communities may have been theologically at odds, but often maintained good social and economic relations during the 10–13th centuries in Egypt, Palestine and Syria. It was obviously as important for the Karaite grocer to do business with Rabbanite customers as it was for the latter to be able to rely on the religious acceptability of his products.<ref>http://www.genizah.org/Manuscript_Samples.aspx#_self</ref>

==Specific authorities==
[[Image:Cape Town Beth Din Kosher.png|right|thumb|Logo of the South African [[Beth Din]]]]

{{See also|Kashrut#Product labeling standards}}

In [[The United States of America|America]], one of the best known ''hechsher'' symbols is the "OU" of the [[Orthodox Union]], the world's largest kosher certification agency. As of 2010, it supervises more than 400,000 products in 8,000 plants in 80 different countries.<ref name="Fishkoff">{{cite book |title=Kosher Nation |author=Sue Fishkoff |page=155 |publisher= Schocken Books, New York |isbn= 978-0-8052-4265-2| year=2010}}</ref>

In [[United Kingdom|Britain]], a widely known{{weasel-inline|date=February 2015}} ''hechsher'' symbol is the "KLBD" of the [[London Beth Din]] based in London.{{cn|date=February 2015}}

Other hechsher include: [[OK Kosher Certification]] based in [[Brooklyn]], New York, [[Star-K]] based in [[Baltimore, Maryland]], [[EarthKosher_Kosher_Certification|EarthKosher Kosher Certification Agency]] with offices in Colorado, New York and Israel, the logo of both the [[Johannesburg]] and [[Cape Town]] Beth Din used in South Africa, MK Va'ad Ha'ir<ref>[http://www.mk.ca/ Jewish Community Council of Montreal]</ref> based in [[Montreal]], Canada, and The Kashrut Authority<ref>[http://www.ka.org.au/ The Kashrut Authority Website]</ref> based in Sydney, Australia. The largest number of agencies is in the USA.{{citation needed|date=July 2014}}

''Kashrus Magazine'' publishes a bi-annual guide to almost all kosher supervision agencies worldwide;<ref>http://www.kashrusmagazine.com/</ref> its 2013–2014 ''Kosher Supervision Guide'' (196 pages including an index) features 1,151 agencies. A bi-annual supplement of some 32 pages is published in alternate years. The latest supplement was published in September 2013 and brought the number of agencies listed to 1,253.

==Spelling==
* At the 2006 [[Scripps National Spelling Bee]], contestant Saryn Hooks correctly spelled "hechsher", but her spelling was ruled incorrect. A few minutes later, the judges realized their printed spelling of "hechscher" was incorrect and reinstated Hooks, thanks to 7th grader Lucas Brown, who noticed the error and called it to the attention of his father.

==See also==
* [[Civil laws regarding kashrut]]
* [[Hechsher Tzedek]]
* [[Kosher foods]]
* [[Taboo food and drink]]
* [[Unclean animals]]
* [[Kashrut]]
* [[Yoshon]]

==References==

{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [http://www.kashrut.com/agencies/ Kashrut agencies]
* [http://www.hechshers.info/index.htm Kashrut symbols (hechshers)]
* [https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/ Non-Orthodox kashrut agencies]
* [http://www.lmlk.com/research/ LMLK Research website]

{{Kashrut}}

[[Category:Kosher food certification organizations|*]]
[[Category:Hebrew words and phrases]]
[[Category:Religious consumer symbols]]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maayan Keren (2nd nomination)

2015-12-28T22:09:45Z

Shuki: /* Maayan Keren */ keep

===[[Maayan Keren]]===
{{REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD|B}}
<div class="infobox" style="width:50%">AfDs for this article:<ul class="listify">{{Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maayan Keren}}</ul></div>
:{{la|Maayan Keren}} – (<includeonly>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maayan Keren (2nd nomination)|View AfD]]</includeonly><noinclude>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2015 December 25#{{anchorencode:Maayan Keren}}|View log]]</noinclude>{{int:dot-separator}} [https://tools.wmflabs.org/jackbot/snottywong/cgi-bin/votecounter.cgi?page=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Maayan_Keren_(2nd_nomination) Stats])
:({{Find sources AFD|Maayan Keren}})
[[WP:ONEEVENT]] According to [[Miss_World_2015#Withdrawals]] she never competed in Miss World 2015, making her appear in just one event, a preliminary round. [[User:The Banner|The Banner]] [[User talk:The Banner|talk]] 01:06, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:15MOF]] and [[WP:NOPAGE]] this should be redirected to the appropriate list of pageant winners. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 01:20, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel|list of Israel-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 01:36, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/People|list of People-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 01:36, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per international WP consensus that winning Miss 'Country' is enough notability for a WP page. Miss Israel is not a 'prelimenary round' it is the national beauty pageant. See [[List of Miss USA titleholders]] and [[Miss France]] where similar pageant members evidently have a separate page. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 22:09, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Likud

2015-12-28T21:48:54Z

Shuki: /* Current MKs */ remove Silvan Shalom , insert Amir Ohana

{{Use dmy dates|date=March 2013}}
{{Infobox political party
|colorcode = {{Likud/meta/color}}
|english_name = Likud
|native_name = {{Hebrew|'''הליכוד'''}}
|party_logo = [[File:Likud Logo.svg|200px]]
|leader1_title = Chairman
|leader1_name = [[Benjamin Netanyahu]]
|leader2_title = Founders
|leader2_name = [[Menachem Begin]], [[Yitzhak Shamir]]
|foundation = 1973 (alliance) 1988 (unified party)
|merger = [[Gahal]] [[Herut]] [[Liberal Party (Israel)|Liberal Party]] [[Free Centre]] [[National List]] [[Movement for Greater Israel]]
|headquarters = Metzudat Ze'ev 38 [[King George Street (Tel Aviv)|King George Street]] [[Tel Aviv]], [[Israel]]
|membership = 125,000
|membership_year = 2012
|ideology = [[National liberalism]]<ref>{{cite web|author=Daniel Tauber |title=Ze'ev Jabotinsky (1880–1940) |publisher=Likud Anglos |url=http://www.likudanglos.org.il/2010/08/zeev-jabotinsky-1880-1940.html |date=13 August 2010 |quote=Jabotinsky's movement and teachings, which can be characterized as national-liberalism, form the foundation of the Likud party. |deadurl=yes |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/20110222215318/http://www.likudanglos.org.il:80/2010/08/zeev-jabotinsky-1880-1940.html |archivedate=22 February 2011 }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=VtAMxrrQJ_gC&pg=PA241&dq=#v=onepage&q&f=false |title=Comparative Think Tanks, Politics and Public Policy|last1=McGann |first1=James G. |authorlink=James McGann |last2=Johnson |first2=Erik C. |publisher=Edward Elgar Publishing |year=2005 |page=241 |quote=The Likud Party, the party of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is a national-liberal party, while the Labor Party, led by Shimon Peres, is more left-wing and identified as social-democratic. |isbn=9781781958995}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/political-parties.htm |title=Israel - Political Parties |publisher=GlobalSecurity.org |date=2014-04-12 |accessdate=2015-01-26 |quote=The two main political parties—Likud, essentially national-liberal and Labor, essentially social-democratic—have historical roots and traditions pre-dating the establishment of the State in 1948.}}</ref><ref name="Election 2015">{{cite news |url=http://www.haaretz.com/st/c/prod/eng/2015/elections/candidates/ |title=Meet the parties - Likud |newspaper=''Haaretz'' |date=2015 |accessdate=2015-03-01 |quote=A national-liberal political movement (center-right, in Israeli terms) that was established as an alliance of parties that united into a single party in 1984.}}</ref> [[Liberal conservatism]]<ref>{{cite book|title=Experimental Studies of Interactive Decisions|author=Amnon Rapoport|publisher=Kluwer Academic|isbn=0792306856|year=1990|page=413|quote=Likud is a liberal-conservative party that gains much of its support from the lower and middle classes, and promotes free enterprise, nationalism, and expansionism.}}</ref> [[Revisionist Zionism]] (historical)<ref name=nytimes1>{{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/22/weekinreview/the-world-pursuing-peace-netanyahu-and-his-party-turn-away-from-greater-israel.html |title=The World: Pursuing Peace; Netanyahu and His Party Turn Away from 'Greater Israel' |author=Joel Greenberg |newspaper=The New York Times |date=22 November 1998 |quote=Likud, despite defections, had joined Labor in accepting the inevitability of territorial compromise.... Revolutionary as it may seem, Likud's abandonment of its maximalist vision has in fact been evolving for years. |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref><ref name=nytimes2>{{cite news |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/world/middleeast/21netanyahu.html |title=Netanyahu, Once Hawkish, Now Touts Pragmatism |author=[[Ethan Bronner]] |newspaper=The New York Times|date=20 February 2009|quote=Likud as a party has made a major transformation in the last 15 years from being rigidly committed to retaining all the land of Israel to looking pragmatically at how to retain for Israel defensible borders in a very uncertain Middle East.... |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref>
|position = [[Center-right]]<ref name="Election 2015"/><ref name=Federman>{{cite news |url=http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c9c7032393144183ae9a0c98b2ee3518/israel-appears-road-early-elections |title=Israeli government crumbles; new election planned |author=Josef Federman |publisher=Associated Press |date=2014-12-02 |quote=Netanyahu's own Likud party is divided between more-centrist old timers and a young guard of hard-line ideologues. |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref> to [[Right-wing politics|right-wing]]<ref>{{cite news |url=http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/02/world/meast/israel-new-elections/ |title=Israeli leader orders ministers out, sets stage for new elections |author1=Michael Schwartz  |author2=Greg Botelho |date=2 December 2014 |publisher=CNN |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref>
|international = ''None''
|seats1_title = [[Knesset]]
|seats1 = {{Composition bar|30|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
|colours = {{colorbox|{{Likud/meta/color}}}} [[Blue]]
|symbol = מחל
|website = {{URL|http://www.likud.org.il|www.likud.org.il}}
|country = Israel
}}
'''Likud''' ({{lang-he-n|הַלִּיכּוּד}}, [[Romanization of Hebrew|translit.]] ''HaLikud'', lit. ''The Consolidation''), officially the '''Likud–National Liberal Movement''', is the major [[center-right]] political party<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3498238,00.html |title=Likud |publisher=Ynetnews |date=1 February 2008 |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref><ref name=Cambridge>{{cite book |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=TffrTUyCD6QC&pg=PA304&dq=#v=onepage&q&f=false |title=The Cambridge Dictionary of Judaism and Jewish Culture |editor-last1=Baskin |editor-first1=Judith Reesa |publisher=Cambridge University Press |year=2010 |page=304|quote=To overcome Labor Party dominance, the bulk of center-right parties formed Likud.... In the early twenty-first century, Likud remains a major factor in the center-right political bloc. |isbn=9780521825979 |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref> in [[Israel]]. A [[secular]] party,<ref name="Israelin">{{cite book |title=Israel in the Middle East: Documents and Readings on Society, Politics, and Foreign Relations, Pre-1948 to the Present |editor=Itamar Rabinovich |editor2=Jehuda Reinharz |publisher=Brandeis University Press |year=2008 |page=462}}</ref> it was founded in 1973 by [[Menachem Begin]] in an alliance with several [[right-wing]] and [[liberalism|liberal]] parties. Likud's landslide victory in the [[Israeli legislative election, 1977|1977 elections]] was a major turning point in the country's political history, marking the first time the left had lost power. In addition, it was the first time in Israel that a right-wing party won the plurality of the votes.<ref name=bsisu12>{{cite journal |last=Bsisu |first=Naji |title=Israeli Domestic Politics and the War in Lebanon |journal=Lights: the MESSA Journal |date=Spring 2012 |publisher=University of Chicago |volume=1 |issue=3 |url=http://lucian.uchicago.edu/blogs/messa/files/2012/07/Lights-S2012-Template-FINAL.pdf#page=34 |pages=29–38  |accessdate=23 March 2013}}</ref> However, after ruling the country for most of the 1980s, the party lost the [[Elections in Israel|Knesset election]] in 1992. Nevertheless, Likud's candidate [[Benjamin Netanyahu]] did win the vote for [[Prime Minister of Israel|Prime Minister]] in [[Israeli prime ministerial election, 1996|1996]] and was given the task of forming a government after the [[Israeli legislative election, 1996|1996 elections]]. Netanyahu's government fell apart after a vote of no confidence, which led to elections being called in [[Israeli general election, 1999|1999]] and Likud losing power to the [[One Israel]] coalition led by [[Ehud Barak]].

In 2001, Likud's [[Ariel Sharon]], who replaced Netanyahu following the 1999 election, defeated Barak in an [[Israeli prime ministerial election, 2001|election]] called by the prime minister following his resignation. After the party recorded a convincing win in the [[Israeli legislative election, 2003|2003 elections]], Likud saw a major split in 2005 when Sharon left to form the [[Kadima]] party. This resulted in Likud slumping to fourth place in the [[Israeli legislative election, 2006|2006 elections]] and losing twenty-eight seats in the Knesset. Following the [[Israeli legislative election, 2009|2009 elections]], Likud was able to gain fifteen seats and, with Netanyahu back in control of the party, formed a coalition with fellow right wing party [[Yisrael Beiteinu]] and [[Shas]] to take control of the government from Kadima, which earned a plurality but not a majority. Netanyahu has been prime minister since and Likud has been the leading vote-getter in each election.

A member of the party is often called a Likudnik ({{lang-he-n|לִכּוּדְנִיק}}).<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.morfix.co.il/%D7%9C%D6%B4%D7%9B%D6%BC%D7%95%D6%BC%D7%93%D6%B0%D7%A0%D6%B4%D7%99%D7%A7 |title=Likudnik |publisher=Milon Morfix |accessdate=25 April 2010 }}</ref>

==History==
{{refimprove section|date=November 2011}}

===Formation and Begin years===
The Likud was formed as a [[secular]] party<ref name="Israelin"/> by an alliance of several right-wing parties prior to the [[Israeli legislative election, 1973|1973 elections]]—[[Herut]], the [[Liberal Party (Israel)|Liberal Party]], the [[Free Centre]], the [[National List]] and the [[Movement for Greater Israel]]. Herut had been the nation's largest [[Right-wing politics|right-wing]] party since growing out of the [[Irgun]] in 1948. It had already been in coalition with the Liberals since 1965 as [[Gahal]], with Herut as the senior partner. Herut remained the senior partner in the new grouping, which was given the name Likud, meaning "Consolidation", as it represented the consolidation of the Israeli right.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.knesset.gov.il/faction/eng/FactionPage_eng.asp?PG=13 |title=Likud |publisher=Knesset.gov.il |accessdate=2011-02-12}}</ref> It worked as a coalition under Herut's leadership until 1988, when the member parties merged into a single party under the Likud name. From its establishment in 1973, Likud enjoyed great support from blue-collar [[Sephardim]] who felt discriminated against by the ruling [[Alignment (political party)|Alignment]].

Likud made a strong showing in its first elections in 1973, reducing the Alignment's lead to 12 seats. The party went on to win the [[Israeli legislative election, 1977|1977 elections]], finishing 11 seats ahead of the Alignment. Begin was able to form a government with the support of the religious parties, consigning the left-wing to opposition for the first time since independence. A former leader of the hard-line paramilitary [[Irgun]], Begin helped initiate the peace process with [[Egypt]], which resulted in the 1978 [[Camp David Accords]] and the 1979 [[Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty]]. Likud was reelected with a significantly reduced mandate in [[Israeli legislative election, 1981|1981]].

Likud has long been a loose alliance between politicians committed to different and sometimes opposing policy preferences and ideologies.<ref name="Hirschl">{{cite book |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=sv0nvGmUQHkC&pg=PA57#v=onepage&q&f=false |title=Towards Juristocracy: The Origins and Consequences of the New Constitutionalism |author=Ran Hirschl |publisher=Harvard University Press |year=2004 |pages=57, 58 |isbn=9780674038677}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |author=Yaffa Moskovich |url=http://www.regent.edu/acad/global/publications/ijls/new/vol4iss2/IJLS_Volume4_Issue2_2009.pdf |title=Authoritarian Management Style in the Likud Party Under the Leadership of Benjamin Netanyahu |journal=International Journal of Leadership Studies |volume=4 |issue=2 |year=2009 |page=152 |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref> The 1981 elections highlighted divisions that existed between the populist wing of Likud, headed by [[David Levy (Israeli politician)|David Levy]] of Herut, and the Liberal wing,<ref>{{cite book|title=Israel in the Begin Era|author=[[Robert Freedman (political scientist)|Robert Owen Freedman]]|publisher=Praeger |page=25 |quote=These divisions were especially underscored in the 1981 elections. During the Likud's first period in power there was a continuous conflict between the populist wing of the Likud, headed by David Levi of Herut, and the Liberal wing, along with...}}</ref> who represented a policy agenda of the secular bourgeoisie.<ref name="Hirschl"/>

===Shamir, Netanyahu's first term, and Sharon===
Begin resigned in October 1983 and was succeeded as Likud leader and Prime Minister by [[Yitzhak Shamir]]. Shamir, a former commander of the [[Lehi (group)|Lehi]] underground, was widely seen as a hard-liner with an ideological commitment both to the [[Israeli settlement|settlement]]s in the [[West Bank]] and [[Gaza Strip]], the growth of which he encouraged, and to the idea of ''[[aliyah]]'', facilitating the mass immigration of Jews to Israel from [[Ethiopia]] and the former [[Soviet Union]]. Although Shamir lost the [[Israeli legislative election, 1984|1984 election]], the Alignment was unable to form a government on its own. Likud and the Alignment thus formed a national unity government, with Peres as Prime Minister and Shamir as foreign minister. After two years, Peres and Shamir switched posts. This government remained in power through 1990, when the Alignment pulled out and Shamir stitched together a right-wing coalition that held on until its defeat in 1992 by Labor.

Shamir retired shortly after losing the election. His successor, [[Benjamin Netanyahu]], became the third Likud Prime Minister in May 1996, following the assassination of [[Yitzhak Rabin]]. Netanyahu proved to be less hard-line in practice than he made himself out to be rhetorically, and felt pressured by the United States and others to enter negotiations with the [[Palestine Liberation Organization]] and [[Yasser Arafat]], despite his harsh criticism of the Oslo accords and hawkish stance in comparison to Labor.

In 1998, Netanyahu reluctantly agreed to cede territory in the [[Wye River Memorandum]]. While accepted by many in the Likud, some Likud MKs, led by [[Benny Begin]] (Menachem Begin's son), [[Michael Kleiner]] and [[David Re'em]], broke away and formed a new party, named [[Herut – The National Movement]], in protest. Yitzhak Shamir (who had expressed harsh disappointment in Netanyahu's leadership), gave the new party his support. Less than a year afterward, Netanyahu's coalition collapsed, resulting in the [[Israeli legislative election, 1999|1999 election]] and Labor's [[Ehud Barak]] winning the premiership on a platform of immediate settlement of final status issues. Likud spent 1999–2001 on the opposition benches.

Barak's "all-or-nothing" strategy failed, however, and [[Israeli prime ministerial election, 2001|early elections for Prime Minister]] were called for March 2001. Surprisingly, Netanyahu declined to be the Likud candidate for Prime Minister, meaning that the fourth Likud premier would be [[Ariel Sharon]]. Sharon, unlike past Likud leaders, had been raised in a Labor Zionist environment and had long been seen as something of a maverick. In the face of the [[Second Intifada]], Sharon pursued a varied set of policies, many of which were controversial even within the Likud. The final split came when Sharon announced his policy of [[Ariel Sharon's unilateral disengagement plan|unilateral disengagement]] from Gaza and parts of the West Bank. The idea proved extremely divisive within the party.

===Kadima split===
Sharon's perceived shift to the political center, especially in his execution of the [[Israel's unilateral disengagement plan of 2004|Disengagement Plan]], alienated him from some Likud supporters and fragmented the party. He faced several serious challenges to his authority shortly before his departure. The first was in March 2005, when he and Netanyahu proposed a budget plan that met fierce opposition, though it was eventually approved. The second was in September 2005, when Sharon's critics in Likud forced a vote on a proposal for an early leadership election, which was defeated by 52% to 48%. In October, Sharon's opponents within the Likud Knesset faction joined with the opposition to prevent the appointment of two of his associates to the Cabinet, demonstrating that Sharon had effectively lost control of the Knesset and that the 2006 budget was unlikely to pass.

The next month, [[Labor Party (Israel)|Labor]] announced its withdrawal from Sharon's governing coalition following its election of the left-wing [[Amir Peretz]] as leader. On 21 November 2005, Sharon announced he would be leaving Likud and forming a new centrist party, [[Kadima]]. The new party included both Likud and Labor supporters of unilateral disengagement. Sharon also announced that elections would take place in early 2006. As of 21 November seven candidates had declared themselves as contenders to replace Sharon as leader: Netanyahu, [[Uzi Landau]], [[Shaul Mofaz]], [[Yisrael Katz (politician born 1955)|Yisrael Katz]], [[Silvan Shalom]] and [[Moshe Feiglin]]. Landau and Mofaz later withdrew, the former in favour of Netanyahu and the latter to join Kadima.

===Netanyahu's second term===
Netanyahu went on to win the chairmanship elections in December, obtaining 44.4% of the vote. Shalom came in a second with 33%, leading Netanyahu to guarantee him second place on the party's list of Knesset candidates. Shalom's perceived moderation on social and foreign-policy issues were considered to be an electoral asset. Observers noted that voter turnout in the elections was particularly low in comparison with past primaries, with less than 40 percent of the 128,000 party members casting ballots. There was much media focus on "far-right" candidate [[Moshe Feiglin]] achieving 12.4% of votes. Feiglin was the only candidate who wanted to see Likud actually pursue the policies presented in its own official platform.

The founding of Kadima was a major challenge to the Likud's generation-long status as one of Israel's two major parties. Sharon's perceived centrist policies have drawn considerable popular support as reflected by public opinion polls. The Likud is now led by figures who oppose further unilateral evacuations, and its standing in the polls has suffered. After the founding of Kadima, Likud came to be seen as having more of a right-wing tendency than a moderate centre-right one. However, there exist several parties in the Knesset even more right-wing than the post-Ariel Sharon Likud.

[[Image:Likudtruck.jpg|right|thumb|A truck canvassing for Likud in [[Jerusalem]] in advance of the [[Israeli legislative election, 2006|2006 election]]]]
Prior to the [[Israeli legislative election, 2006|2006 election]] the party's Central Committee relinquished control of selecting the Knesset list to the 'rank and file' members at Netanyahu's behest.<ref>{{cite news |author=Gil Hoffman |title=Central committee strips itself of power |newspaper=The Jerusalem Post |date=1 March 2006 |url=http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Central-committee-strips-itself-of-power |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref> The aim was to improve the party's reputation, as the central committee had gained a reputation for corruption.<ref>{{cite news |title=Israeli media vents fury at Likud |publisher=BBC News |date=17 December 2002 |url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2583675.stm |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref>

In the election, the Likud vote collapsed in the face of the Kadima split. Other right-wing nationalist parties such as [[Yisrael Beiteinu]] gained votes, with Likud coming only fourth place in the popular vote, edging out Yisrael Beiteinu by only 116 votes. With only twelve seats, Likud was tied with the [[Shas]] for the status of third-largest party.

In the [[2009 Israeli legislative election]], Likud won 27 seats, a close second-place finish to Kadima's 28 seats, and leading the other parties. After more than a month of coalition negotiations, Benjamin Netanyahu was able to form a government and become Prime Minister.

A [[Likud leadership election, 2012|leadership election]] was held on 31 January 2012, with Netanyahu defeating Feiglin.<ref name=result>{{cite news |title=Netanyahu won the Likud battle, but he may lose the war |url=http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/netanyahu-won-the-likud-battle-but-he-may-lose-the-war-1.410721 |newspaper=Haaretz |date=3 February 2012 |accessdate=3 February 2012}}</ref>

===Partnership with Yisrael Beiteinu===
On 25 October 2012, Netanyahu and [[Avigdor Lieberman]] announced that their respective political parties, Likud and [[Yisrael Beiteinu]], would run together on a single ballot in Israel's [[Israeli legislative election, 2013|2013 parliamentary election]]. "A joining of forces will give us the strength to defend Israel from military threats, and the strength to spearhead social and economic changes in the country," Netanyahu said.<ref>{{cite news |last=Leshem |first=Elie |title=Netanyahu, Liberman announce they'll run joint list for Knesset |url=http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-announces-merger-with-israel-beytenu-promises-to-lead-with-strength/ |newspaper=The Times of Israel |accessdate=27 October 2012}}</ref> In January 2013, Lieberman said the Yisrael Beitinu merge with the Likud party will end within one month of the election.<ref>{{cite news |last=Verter |first=Yossi |url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/lieberman-yisrael-beiteinu-s-marriage-to-likud-ends-at-election.premium-1.492096 |title=Lieberman: Yisrael Beiteinu's marriage to Likud ends at election |newspaper=Haaretz |date=6 January 2013 |accessdate=20 June 2015}}</ref>

The Likud-Yisrael Beiteinu merger led to speculation that Lieberman would eventually seek the leadership of Likud. "Every soldier must strive to be chief of staff, just as every politician wants, eventually, to stand at the top of the system. I'm not obsessed with this, but that is my goal," Lieberman said.<ref>{{cite news |date=26 October 2012 |title=Liberman: Every politician wants to become PM |url=http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Liberman-Every-politician-wants-to-become-PM |newspaper=The Jerusalem Post |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref>

In the 2013 election, the Likud–Yisrael Beiteninu alliance won 31 seats, 20 of which were Likud members. Netanyahu continued as Prime Minister after forming a coalition with [[Yesh Atid]], [[the Jewish Home]] and [[Hatnuah]].

The electoral alliance was unpopular among both Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu.<ref>{{cite news |author=[[Haviv Rettig|Haviv Rettig Gur]] |url=http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-calm-before-the-political-storm/ |title=The calm before the political storm |work=The Times of Israel |date=24 October 2013 |accessdate=18 March 2015}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |author=Yifa Yaakov |url=http://www.timesofisrael.com/substantial-though-not-overwhelming-opposition-within-likud-and-yisrael-beytenu-to-new-alliance/|title=Substantial opposition within Likud and Yisrael Beytenu to new alliance |work=The Times of Israel |date=26 October 2012 |accessdate=18 March 2015}}</ref> In November 2013, it was reported that both parties would be holding discussions on whether to end their partnership. According to ''[[Haaretz]],'' "the alliance stoked anger among senior Likud politicians, both because of the historic change and the high price the party ostensibly paid...."<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.557453 |title=Likud, Yisrael Beiteinu expected to soon go their separate ways |author=Jonathan Lis |newspaper=Haaretz |date=11 November 2013 |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref> Efforts by [[Yisrael Beitenu]] to formally merge with Likud after the election were rebuffed by Likud activists who worried about the effect an influx of organized new power centers could have on their own influence in the ruling party.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.timesofisrael.com/hurting-in-the-polls-yisrael-beytenu-looks-to-its-future/ |title=Hurting in the polls, Yisrael Beytenu looks to its future |author=Haviv Rettig Gur |newspaper=The Times of Israel |date=5 January 2014 |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref>

==Ideological positions==
{{POV-section|date=August 2014}}
Likud emphasizes national security policy based on a strong military force when threatened with continued enmity against Israel. It has shown reluctance to negotiate with its neighbors whom it believes continue to seek the destruction of the Jewish state. Its suspicion of Arab intentions, however, has not prevented the party from reaching agreements with the Arabs, such as the 1979 peace treaty with Egypt. Likud's willingness to enter mutually accepted agreements with the Arabs over the years is related to the formation of other right-wing parties. Like other center-right parties in Israel, Likud politicians have sometimes criticized particular Supreme Court decisions, but it remains committed to rule of law principles that it hopes to entrench in a written constitution.<ref name=Cambridge/>

{{Asof|2014}}, the party remains divided between moderates and hard-liners.<ref name=Federman/>

===Platform===
{{POV-section|date=August 2014}}
* The 1999 Likud Party platform emphasizes the right of settlement.

"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."<ref name=platform>{{cite web| title = Likud - Platform| publisher=knesset.gov.il| url = https://www.knesset.gov.il/elections/knesset15/elikud_m.htm| accessdate = 2008-09-04|archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20070930181442/http://www.knesset.gov.il/elections/knesset15/elikud_m.htm|archivedate=2007-09-30}}</ref>

Similarly, they claim the [[Jordan River]] as the permanent eastern border to Israel and it also claims Jerusalem as belonging to Israel.

* The 'Peace & Security' chapter of the 1999 Likud Party platform rejects a Palestinian state.

"The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."<ref name=platform/>

With Likud back in power, starting in 2009, [[Israeli foreign policy]] is still under review. Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu, in his "National Security" platform, neither endorsed nor ruled out the idea of a Palestinian state.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://en.netanyahu.org.il/Themes-of/security/ |title=Benjamin Netanyahu - National Security |publisher=En.netanyahu.org.il |accessdate=2010-04-25 |deadurl=yes |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/20100329092340/http://en.netanyahu.org.il:80/Themes-of/security/ |archivedate=29 March 2010 }}</ref> "Netanyahu has hinted that he does not oppose the creation of a Palestinian state, but aides say he must move cautiously because his religious-nationalist coalition partners refuse to give away land."<ref name="mcgirk">{{cite news |url=http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1896731,00.html?iid=tsmodule |title=Israel's Netanyahu: Taking a Turn Toward Pragmatism? |last=McGirk |first=Tim |date=18 May 2009 |work=Time |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref>

On 14 June 2009, Netanyahu delivered a seminal address<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/full-text-of-netanyahu-s-foreign-policy-speech-at-bar-ilan-1.277922 |title=Full text of Netanyahu's foreign policy speech at Bar Ilan |newspaper=Haaretz |date=2009-06-14 |accessdate=2013-01-20}}</ref> at Bar-Ilan University (also known as "Bar-Ilan Speech"), at [[Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies]], that was broadcast live in Israel and across parts of the [[Arab world]], on the topic of the [[Middle East peace process]]. He endorsed for the first time the creation of a [[Palestinian state]] alongside Israel, with several conditions.

However, on 16 March 2015, Netanyahu stated in the affirmative, that if he were elected, a Palestinian state would not be created.<ref name="www.haaretz.com">{{cite news |author=Barak Ravid |url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.647212 |title=Netanyahu: If I'm elected, there will be no Palestinian state |newspaper=Haaretz |accessdate=2015-03-19}}</ref> Netanyahu argued, "anyone who goes to create today a Palestinian state and turns over land, is turning over land that will be used as a launching ground for attacks by Islamist extremists against the State of Israel."<ref name="www.haaretz.com"/> Some take these statements to mean that Netanyahu and Likud oppose a Palestinian state. On 19 March 2015, Netanyahu reiterated "I don't want a one-state solution. I want a peaceful, sustainable two-state solution. I have not changed my policy."<ref>{{cite news |author=Harriet Salem |date=19 March 2015 |url=https://news.vice.com/article/us-says-it-will-re-evaluate-approach-to-israeli-palestinian-conflict-after-netanyahu-election-win | title=Netanyahu Backtracks on Election Pledge to Refuse a Two-State Solution After Sharp Words from the US |publisher=Vice News | accessdate=2015-04-27}}</ref>

The Likud Constitution<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.likud.org.il/images/huka/hukalikud080514.pdf |script-title=he:הליכוד תנועה לאומית ליברלית: חוקת התנועה |language=he |trans_title=Likud National Liberal Movement: Movement Constitution |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref> of May 2014 is more vague and ambiguous. Though it contains commitments to the strengthening of Jewish settlement in the [[West Bank]], it does not explicitly rule out the establishment of a Palestinian state.

===Economy===
{{POV|date=November 2012}}The Likud party claims to support a [[free market]] [[capitalist]] and [[Economic liberalism|liberal]] agenda, though in practice it has mostly adopted [[mixed economy|mixed economic policies]]. Under the guidance of [[Finance minister]] and current party leader [[Benjamin Netanyahu]], Likud pushed through legislation reducing [[value added tax]] (VAT), income and corporate taxes significantly, as well as [[customs duty]]. Likewise, it has instituted [[free trade]] (especially with the [[European Union]] and the [[United States]]) and dismantled certain [[monopolies]] ([[Bezeq]] and the seaports). Additionally, it has [[privatize]]d numerous government-owned companies, e.g., [[El Al|El Al]] and [[Bank Leumi]], and has moved to privatize land in Israel, which until now has been held symbolically by the state in the name of the [[Jewish]] people. Netanyahu was the most ardent free-market Israeli finance minister to-date. He argued that Israel's largest [[trade union|labor union]], the [[Histadrut]], has so much power as to be capable of paralyzing the [[Israeli economy]], and claimed that the main causes of [[unemployment]] are laziness and excessive benefits to the unemployed."{{Citation needed|date=November 2008}} Under Netanyahu, Likud has and is likely to maintain a comparatively [[fiscal conservatism|fiscally conservative]] economic stance. However, the party's economic policies vary widely among members, with some Likud MKs supporting leftist economic positions that are more in line with popular preferences.<ref>{{cite news |title=MK Regev calls for 80% tax on top earners |newspaper=Globes |date=23 May 2010 |url=http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-1000561032 |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref>

===Palestinians===
{{POV-section|date=August 2014}}
Likud has historically espoused opposition to Palestinian statehood and support of [[Israeli settlements]] in the [[West Bank]] and [[Gaza Strip]]. However, it has also been the party that carried out the first peace agreements with Arab states. For instance, in 1979, Likud Prime Minister, [[Menachem Begin]], signed the [[Camp David Accords]] with [[Egypt]]ian President [[Anwar al-Sadat]], which returned the [[Sinai Peninsula]] (occupied by Israel in the [[Six-Day War]] of 1967) to Egypt in return for peace between the two countries. [[Yitzhak Shamir]] was the first Israeli Prime Minister to meet Palestinian leaders at the [[Madrid Conference of 1991|Madrid Conference]] following the [[Gulf War|Persian Gulf War]] in 1991. However, Shamir refused to concede the idea of a Palestinian state, and as a result was blamed by some (including [[United States Secretary of State]] [[James Baker]]) for the failure of the summit. On 14 June 2009, as Prime Minister, Netanyahu gave a speech at Bar-Ilan University in which he endorsed a "Demilitarized Palestinian State", though said that Jerusalem must remain the unified capital of Israel.

In 2002, during the [[Second Intifada]], Israel's Likud-led government reoccupied Palestinian towns and [[Palestinian refugee camp|refugee camps]] in the West Bank. In 2005 [[Ariel Sharon]] defied the recent tendencies of Likud and abandoned the policy of seeking to settle in the West Bank and Gaza. Though re-elected Prime Minister on a platform of no unilateral withdrawals, Sharon carried out the [[Israeli unilateral disengagement plan|Gaza disengagement plan]], withdrawing from the [[Gaza Strip]], as well as four settlements in the northern West Bank. Though losing a referendum among Likud registered voters, Sharon achieved government approval of this policy by firing most of the cabinet members who opposed the plan before the vote.

Sharon and the faction who supported his disengagement proposals left the Likud party after the disengagement and created the new [[Kadima]] party. This new party supported unilateral disengagement from most of the West Bank and the fixing of borders by the [[Israeli West Bank barrier]]. The basic premise of the policy was that the Israelis have no viable negotiating partner on the Palestinian side, and since they cannot remain in indefinite occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, Israel should unilaterally withdraw.

Netanyahu, who was elected as the new leader of Likud after Kadima's creation, and [[Silvan Shalom]], the runner-up, both supported the disengagement plan;<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-789560 |title=Shalom supports disengagement plan |newspaper=Globes |date=19 April 2004}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |author=Mazal Mualem |url=http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/netanyahu-livnat-support-sharon-s-disengagement-plan-1.120041 |title=Netanyahu, Livnat support Sharon's disengagement plan |newspaper=Haaretz |date=19 April 2004 |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref> however, Netanyahu resigned his ministerial post before the plan was executed. Most current Likud members support the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and oppose Palestinian statehood and the disengagement from Gaza.

Although settlement activity has continued under recent Likud governments, much of the activity outside the major settlement blocs has been to accommodate [[the Jewish Home]], a coalition partner; support within Likud to build outside the blocs is not particularly strong.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/19/world/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-election-government.html |title=Win in Israel Sets Netanyahu on Path to Rebuild and Redefine Government |author=Jodi Rudoren |newspaper=The New York Times |date=18 March 2015 |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/12/world/middleeast/netanyahu-west-bank-settlements-israel-election.html |title=Netanyahu and the Settlements |author=Jodi Rudoren |author2=[[Jeremy Ashkenas]] |newspaper=The New York Times |date=12 March 2015 |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref>

===Culture===
{{refimprove|date=November 2012}}[[Image:Zeev Jabotinsky.jpg|right|thumb|upright|[[Ze'ev Jabotinsky]]]]
Historically, Likud advocated free enterprise and nationalism, but it has compromised these ideals in practice, especially as its constituency has changed. Its support for populist economic programs are at odds with its free enterprise tradition but are meant to serve its largely nationalistic, lower-income voters in small towns and urban neighborhoods.<ref name="Sharkansky">{{cite book |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=if5Yvv65PGgC&pg=PA65 |title=Coping with Terror: An Israeli Perspective |author=Ira Sharkansy |publisher=Lexington Books |year=2003 |page=65 |isbn=9780739106846}}</ref><ref name="IDI">{{cite web |url=http://en.idi.org.il/tools-and-data/israeli-elections-and-parties/political-parties/likud |title=Israeli Elections and Parties: Likud |publisher=The Israel Democracy Institute |accessdate=2014-05-11}}</ref> On [[Separation of church and state|religion and state]], Likud has a moderate stance,<ref name="IDI"/> and tends to support the preservation of [[Status quo (Israel)|status quo]]. With time, the party has played into the traditional sympathies of its voter base, though the origins and ideology of Likud are very secular.<ref>{{cite book |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=I2PYTmFwQxcC&pg=PA191#v=onepage&q&f=false |title=Jews in Israel: Contemporary Social and Cultural Patterns |author=Asher Arian |editor=Uzi Rebhun |editor2=[[Chaim I. Waxman|Chaim Isaac Waxman]] |chapter=Chapter Seven: Elections and Voting Patterns |publisher=UPNE |date= |page=191 |series=Tauber Institute for the Study of European Jewry series |isbn= 9781584653271 |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref> Religious parties have come to view it as a more comfortable coalition partner than Labor.<ref name="IDI"/>

Likud promotes a revival of [[Jewish culture]], in keeping with the principles of [[Revisionist Zionism]]. Likud emphasizes such Israeli nationalist themes as the use of the [[Israeli flag]] and the victory in the [[1948 Arab–Israeli War]]. Likud publicly endorses [[press freedom]] and promotion of [[private sector]] media, which has grown markedly under governments Likud has led. A Likud government headed by Ariel Sharon, however, closed the popular [[right-wing]] [[pirate radio]] station [[Arutz 7]] ("Channel 7"). Arutz 7 was popular with the [[Jewish settler]] movement and often criticised the government from a right-wing perspective.

Historically, the Likud and its pre-1948 predecessor, the Revisionist movement advocated secular nationalism. However, the Likud's first prime minister and long-time leader [[Menachem Begin]], though secular himself, cultivated a warm attitude to Jewish tradition and appreciation for traditionally religious Jews—especially from North Africa and the Middle East. This segment of the Israeli population first brought the Likud to power in 1977. Many Orthodox Israelis find the Likud a more congenial party than any other mainstream party, and in recent years also a large group of [[Haredi Judaism|Haredim]], mostly modern Haredim, joined the party and established [[The Haredi faction in the Likud]].

==Leaders==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
! 
! colspan="2" | Leader
! Took office
! Left office
! Prime Ministerial tenure
|-
| rowspan="1" style="background: {{Likud/meta/color}};" | '''1'''
| rowspan="1" | [[File:Menachem Begin, Andrews AFB, 1978.JPG|70px]]
| rowspan="1" | [[Menachem Begin]]
| rowspan="1" | 1973
| rowspan="1" | 1983
| rowspan="1" | 1977–1983
|-
| rowspan="1" style="background: {{Likud/meta/color}};" | '''2'''
| rowspan="1" | [[File:Yitzhak Shamir (1980).jpg|70px]]
| rowspan="1" | [[Yitzhak Shamir]]
| rowspan="1" | 1983
| rowspan="1" | 1993
| rowspan="1" | 1983–1984, 1986–1992
|-
| rowspan="1" style="background: {{Likud/meta/color}};" | '''3'''
| rowspan="1" | [[File:Benjamin Netanyahu 2012.jpg|70px]]
| rowspan="1" | [[Benjamin Netanyahu]]
| rowspan="1" | 1993
| rowspan="1" | 1999
| rowspan="1" | 1996–1999, 2009–present
|-
| rowspan="1" style="background: {{Likud/meta/color}};" | '''4'''
| rowspan="1" | [[File:Ariel Sharon 2001.jpg|70px]]
| rowspan="1" | [[Ariel Sharon]]
| rowspan="1" | 1999
| rowspan="1" | 2005
| rowspan="1" | 2001–2006
|-
| rowspan="1" style="background: {{Likud/meta/color}};" | '''(3)'''
| rowspan="1" | [[File:Benjamin Netanyahu 2012.jpg|70px]]
| rowspan="1" | [[Benjamin Netanyahu]]
| rowspan="1" | 2005
| rowspan="1" | Incumbent
| rowspan="1" | 1996–1999, 2009–present
|}

==Current MKs==
Likud currently has 30 Knesset members. They are listed below in the order that they appeared on the party's list for the [[Israeli legislative election, 2015|2015 elections]].
{{col-begin}}
{{col-break}}
*[[Benjamin Netanyahu]]
*[[Gilad Erdan]]
*[[Yuli Edelstein]]
*[[Yisrael Katz (politician born 1955)|Yisrael Katz]]
*[[Miri Regev]]
*[[Moshe Ya'alon]]
*[[Ze'ev Elkin]]
*[[Yariv Levin]]
*[[Benny Begin]]
*[[Tzachi Hanegbi]]
{{col-break}}
*[[Yuval Steinitz]]
*[[Gila Gamliel]]
*[[Ofir Akunis]]
*[[David Bitan]]
*[[Haim Katz]]
*[[Jackie Levy]]
*[[Yoav Kish]]
*[[Tzipi Hotovely]]
*[[Dudu Amsalem]]
*[[Miki Zohar]]
{{col-break}}
*[[Anat Berko]]
*[[Ayoob Kara]]
*[[Nava Boker]]
*[[Avi Dichter]]
*[[Avraham Neguise]]
*[[Nurit Koren]]
*[[Yaron Mazuz]]
*[[Oren Hazan]]
*[[Sharren Haskel]]
*[[Amir Ohana]]
{{col-end}}

==Party organs==
'''Likud Executive'''<ref>{{cite web|url=https://likud.org.il/en/about-the-likud/organs-of-the-likud |title=Organs of the Likud - The Likud Party |publisher=Likud.org.il |date= |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref>
*Director General of the Likud: Gadi Arielli
*Deputy DG, head of the Municipal Division: Rafi Dwek
*Manager of the Likud Chairman's Office: Hanni Bleiweiss
*Head of the Computer Division: Tsuri Siso
*Likud Spokeswoman: Noga Katz (Rappaport)
*Head of Internet & New Media: Shai Mordov

'''Likud Central Committee'''

'''Likud Secretariat'''

'''Likud Bureau'''

'''Likud Court'''

'''Legal Advisor of the Likud Movement'''

'''The Likud Youth Movement'''
* Member group of the [[International Young Democrat Union]]<ref>{{cite web |url=http://idu.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/DRAFT-Minutes-Seoul-Executive.pdf |title=DRAFT Minutes, IDU Executive Committee, Chaired by IDU Chairman John Howard |date=20 November 2014 |location=Seoul |publisher=International Democrat Union (IDU) |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.iydu.org/members/ |title=Members |publisher=International Young Democrat Union (IDYU) |accessdate=30 June 2015}}</ref>

'''World Likud'''

==Knesset election results==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Election year
! Party Leader
! # of overall votes
! % of overall vote
! # of overall seats won
! +/-
! Notes
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 1973|1973]]
| [[Menachem Begin]]
| 473,309
| 30.2 (#2)
| {{Composition bar|39|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{increase}} 7
|
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 1977|1977]]
| [[Menachem Begin]]
| 583,968
| 33.4 (#'''1''')
| {{Composition bar|45|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{increase}} 4
|
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 1981|1981]]
| [[Menachem Begin]]
| 718,941
| 37.1 (#'''1''')
| {{Composition bar|48|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{increase}} 3
|
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 1984|1984]]
| [[Yitzhak Shamir]]
| 661,302
| 31.9 (#2)
| {{Composition bar|41|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{decrease}} 7
|
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 1988|1988]]
| [[Yitzhak Shamir]]
| 709,305
| 31.1 (#'''1''')
| {{Composition bar|40|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{decrease}} 1
|
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 1992|1992]]
| [[Yitzhak Shamir]]
| 651,229
| 24.9 (#2)
| {{Composition bar|32|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{decrease}} 8
|
|-
! [[Israeli general election, 1996|1996]]
| [[Benjamin Netanyahu]]
| 767,401
| 25.1 (#2)
| {{Composition bar|26|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{decrease}} 6
| In cartel with [[Gesher (political party)|Gesher]] & [[Tzomet]]
|-
! [[Israeli general election, 1999|1999]]
| [[Benjamin Netanyahu]]
| 468,103
| 14.1 (#2)
| {{Composition bar|19|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{decrease}} 7
|
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 2003|2003]]
| [[Ariel Sharon]]
| 925,279
| 29.4 (#'''1''')
| {{Composition bar|38|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{increase}} 19
|
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 2006|2006]]
| [[Benjamin Netanyahu]]
| 281,996
| 09.0 (#4)
| {{Composition bar|12|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{decrease}} 26
|
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 2009|2009]]
| [[Benjamin Netanyahu]]
| 729,054
| 21.6 (#2)
| {{Composition bar|27|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{increase}} 15
|
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 2013|2013]]
| [[Benjamin Netanyahu]]
| 884,631
| 23.3 (#'''1''')
| {{Composition bar|20|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{decrease}} 7
| with Yisrael Beiteinu
|-
! [[Israeli legislative election, 2015|2015]]
| [[Benjamin Netanyahu]]
| 984,966
| 23.4 (#'''1''')
| {{Composition bar|30|120|hex={{Likud/meta/color}}}}
| {{increase}} 10
|
|}

==See also==
*[[List of Likud Knesset Members]]

==References==
{{reflist|30em}}

==External links==
{{Commons category}}
*[http://www.likud.org.il/ Official website] {{he icon}}
*{{Facebook user|likud}}
*[http://www.likud.nl/ Likud Nederland] {{nl icon}} {{en icon}}
*[https://www.knesset.gov.il/faction/eng/FactionPage_eng.asp?PG=13 Likud] Knesset website
*[http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3498238,00.html Likud] - fact file at [[Ynetnews]]
{{Israeli political parties}}

{{Authority control}}

[[Category:Political parties in Israel]]
[[Category:Hebrew words and phrases]]
[[Category:Liberal-conservative parties]]
[[Category:Political parties established in 1973]]
[[Category:Revisionist Zionism]]
[[Category:Zionist political parties in Israel]]
[[Category:Conservative parties in Israel]]
[[Category:National liberalism]]
[[Category:Beitar]]
[[Category:Likud| ]]

User talk:Shuki

2014-04-27T19:51:53Z

Shuki: /* Your topic ban */ thanks

<div class="usermessage">''Note to posters:'' Let's try to keep [[Wikipedia:Talk_page#How_to_keep_a_two-way_conversation_readable|two-way conversations readable]]. If you post to my talk page, I will just reply here. If I posted recently to another talk page, including your talk page, then that means I have it on my watchlist and will just read responses there. I may also refactor discussions to your talk page for the same reason. Thanks. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]]</div>

==Welcome==

'''Welcome!'''

Hello, {{PAGENAME}}, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
*[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
*[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
*[[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
*[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Tutorial]]
*[[Wikipedia:How to write a great article|How to write a great article]]
*[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Where to ask a question]], ask me on my talk page, or place <code>{{helpme}}</code> on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  And Shalom! [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 08:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


{| class="infobox" width="315px"
|-
! align="center" | [[Image:Vista-file-manager.png|50px|Archive]] [[Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page|Archives]]
----
|-
|
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive1|Archive1]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive2|Archive2]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive3|Archive3]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive4|Archive4]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive5|Archive5]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive6|Archive6]]
#
|}

== חַג חֲנֻכָּה שָׂמֵחַ==

<div style="background:black;border:5px ridge purple;color:gold;font-family:monotype corsiva;font-size:200%">
<center>הַנֵּרוֹת הַלָּלוּ קֹדֶשׁ הֵם</center>
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|left|60px]]
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|right|60px]]<center>
Hi Shuki! Hoping you and yours are
spiritually warmed by the holy lights of
חֲנֻכָּה
Chesdovi 2010</center>
</div>

==[[Talk:James_G._Lindsay]]==
Hi Shuki, I'll really appreciate your comments about my new suggestions. [[User:Nik Sage|Nik Sage]] ([[User talk:Nik Sage|talk]]) 11:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[List of Chabad houses]] for deletion ==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|42px|alt=|link=]]</div>The article '''[[List of Chabad houses]]''' is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Chabad houses]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Frivolous SPI ==

Is there any sanction that can be applied to editors who fish for checkusers with little substantial basis? It seems that there is no real evidence of anything except common editing yet it would seem that anyone is free to come an accuse as well as join the party. If anyone sees this, please add a remark for me on [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shuki|the SPI]]. I hope it is not tempting a followup accusation of meat, yet I think it is only fair for the accused to reply. I make a dumb mistake, and everyone is piling on to join in the Shuki bashing. Thanks. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:I would like to welcome [[User talk:Bulldog123|Bulldog123]] and [[User talk:Betsythedevine|Betsythedevine]] into the ranks of the I-P battleground and thank them for waking me up from a month of WP slumber. I am also as perplexed that with many of the regular I-P editors currently topic banned or interaction banned, they have suddenly shown an sudden uncharacteristic interest in this area, as well as a strong interest [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bulldog123&action=historysubmit&diff=407032840&oldid=406961606 especially with the pro-Israel editors]. Very peculiar... At least Betsy contributes to the project, maybe one day I will understand if Bulldog does anything other than attack and bring antagonism where he goes. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 16:37, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Wikipedia's 10th anniversary ==

[[File:10piece-english-L k.svg|200px]][[File:Wp10 norway logo.jpg|200px]][[File:10piece-hebrew-R k.svg|200px]]

== Question about Beit Yatir / Teaneck relationship ==

Hi. I'm currently investing a brouhaha over an alleged twinning between the town of Teaneck, NJ and the moshav Bet Yatir. As far as I can tell, the only source for the twinning is your unsourced edit at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beit_Yatir&diff=174698486&oldid=174697857

Could you please contact me at larry at jewishmediagroup dot com and let me know what your source was for this edit? Thank you!

[[User:Yudel|Yudel]] ([[User talk:Yudel|talk]]) 20:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

:You could click on the left side 'E-mail this user' as I rarely check here these days, enjoying a blessed WP vacation. I don't recall where I took that from. It seemed plausible. Most people on WP after a few months know that if someone has a problem with any claim, they can stick a template on to request sources and then remove it after a few weeks if nothing shows up. How is that brouhaha going? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

== Well, I hope you are happy ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-03-28/In_the_news]. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 00:58, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know about this. Too bad no one bothered to email me. I would not use the word 'happy', rather 'mildly amused' that some irrational person blew this wildly out of proportion. I just replied to Yudel above what any newbie to WP would do in order to avert a crisis. But this Siegel character, may he see how he has erred and caused strife instead of peace, was apparently looking for confrontation ''demanding that township officials '''publicly renounce''' the connection'' instead of merely doing some investigative footwork to see if Teaneck was even twinned with any other municipality in the first place. I am not surprised why everyone on the city council ignored his requests. The article is actually written okay and reminds me of good old style of investigative journalism you rarely see these days.

*FWIW, I've never been to Teaneck or Beit Yatir and I cannot recall where I got that info. In my early WP days, I would copy information from other WP articles if it seemed plausible and uncontroversial. I definitely noticed that mentions of twin cities in other geo articles never had references, so I did not bother with that section there either.
*FWIW2, if this Siegel character is so interested in being anti-Zionist, than he should not be using or giving credibility to WP which is based on [[PHP]], a programming language which has a strong root in Israel. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 22:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

==Orphaned non-free image File:Nation with the Golan.jpg==
'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|⚠|link=]]''' Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:Nation with the Golan.jpg]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[Wikipedia:Orphan|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:MyContributions|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in the [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.  '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 14:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC) 14:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

== Happy [[Jerusalem Day|Yom Yerusalyim]] to all. ==

[[File:Western wall jerusalem night.jpg|left|thumb|250px]]
'''Jerusalem Day''' ({{lang-he|יום ירושלים}}, ''Yom Yerushalayim'') is an [[Jewish holiday#New Israeli/Jewish national holidays|Israeli national holiday]] commemorating the reunification of [[Jerusalem]] and the establishment of Israeli control over the [[Old City (Jerusalem)|Old City]] in June 1967. The [[Chief Rabbinate of Israel]] declared Jerusalem Day a minor religious holiday to thank God for the [[Six-Day War|6-day]] victory and for answering the 2,000-year-old prayer of "Next Year in Jerusalem".
[[File:Flag of Jerusalem.svg|right|thumb|250px]]

== I need your help ==

I was recently engaged in a somewhat productive talk regarding Ariel (city) with other Wikipedians. I would highly appreciate your help (and the help of everyone who wishes to help us) in better editing the article there in general, while preventing one-sided editing in particular. Can you please visit the Ariel (city) article and help me? [[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 13:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

after my last post (is that the right term, post?) here above. I had the following massege left on my page :"Please do not engage in the sort of canvassing that you have on Shuki's talk page. Also, please note that this editor is currently topic banned and may not participate in such discussions. -asad (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)". i mention it here for two reasons: 1. i disagree with what ASAD is describing as 'canvassing', but clearly you have a much more important opinion in that regard (behing your page and all...) 2. they say that you are 'topic banned' and i wonder if that is true (and how come you were banned). thank you in advance for your much needed (more than ever) help.[[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 15:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
:I hope Shuki will not mind me answering this. He is banned, see [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Log_of_blocks_and_bans|this sanctions log]]. --[[User:ElComandanteChe|ElComandanteChe]] ([[User talk:ElComandanteChe|talk]]) 16:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

::I want to thank the community for watching out for me. I don't think this is canvassing at all, but as everyone knows, (I'm touched) I cannot edit on certain articles for about another 150 days. I wonder if I'm allowed to discuss these issues on my talk page because that seems to be ex-territorial. Anyone have any insight on that? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I also wonder how can i send an e-mail to Shuki in particular and others in general? where can i find someone's e-mail adress?[[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 17:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

:If you create a username, then on the left side of most userpages there will be a link to "E-mail this user". Though, I can't guarantee that I'll answer. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

== Elazar Abuhatzeira ==

Why did you create the article in mainspace if you had no references? There's no contest for "creating the most useless stubs that will get deleted." I also must admit that I am ''very'' skeptical of notability of a religious scholar only being provable as soon as said scholar is dead, in spite of a 40-plus year career. In short, rather than fighting to keep it in mainspacce, why not create it in your userspace and ''then'' just move it when it meets policies? [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 02:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
:It's best not to comment on articles or people you do not know about, though I am not one, I understand the attitudes of deletionists. Anyway, as a veteran editor looking for information on which to base opinions, you definitely would have clicked on interwiki links to see if the other languages have any info. Even if you don't speak those languages, you can still get a picture of the legitimacy of a subject for an article since we AGF and assume that other wikis are also maintained to high standards. In any case, the reason why there was no article until now is because a) there was not much RS available except for a major scandal and b) I created the stub because this was a breaking story and there was nothing in English on the web about it and the context of being from a notable family dynasty. People trust WP for breaking news even if only a byte of info. This is not a stub that will get deleted and I assume a veteran editor like yourself would again AGF and check my record of edits before assuming I would create a 'useless stub'. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 04:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::You said exactly what I thought you would say, which was "People trust WP for breaking news even if only a byte of info." I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTNEWS|not news]]. This is an encyclopedia, not a media outlet. [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 04:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:::You know that officially is the motto here, but in reality, WP is a form of encyclopedia, almanac, journal and repository of history. If WP was really notnews, there would not articles like [[:2011 Norway attacks]] for instance. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 08:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

==AfD==
Please see: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armoured bus]][[User:Kitfoxxe|Kitfoxxe]] ([[User talk:Kitfoxxe|talk]]) 05:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

== Welcome back ==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[Image:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]|[[Image:Original_Barnstar.png|100px]]}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Just saw your post on AE and thought to commend you on the perceptive, pointed and civil comments there. Baruch Shuvcha! --[[User:MichaelNetzer|MichaelNetzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelNetzer|talk]]) 04:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
|}

:Thanks. I appreciate your fine contributions. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 07:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== חַג חֲנֻכָּה שָׂמֵחַ==

<div style="background:black;border:5px ridge purple;color:gold;font-family:monotype corsiva;font-size:200%">
<center>הַנֵּרוֹת הַלָּלוּ קֹדֶשׁ הֵם</center>
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|left|60px]]
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|right|60px]]<center>
Hi Shuki! Hoping you and yours are
spiritually warmed by the holy lights of
חֲנֻכָּה
Jiujitsuguy 2011</center>
</div>

:Toda. Good to see your still around. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

== Revava ==

You have violated the 1RR. Self-revert your edit or you may be reported. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:Please explain. This 1RR must have happened when I was gone. I reverted you once is a violation of 1RR? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::Your first edit was labeled a partial revert, your second a wholesale revert. So you have made 2 reverts, which is more than the allowed 1. Every article in the topic area is covered by a 1RR, see [[WP:ARBPIA#General 1RR restriction]]. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah, you are playing games with me. I understand now. I recall now how you do it, gimme a min. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::::No, not a game. Not even a ''warning''. Rather, a request that you self-revert your edit and a notice that if you refuse to do so I will report you for violating the 1RR. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, not warning - coming from you is a threat. I self-reverted my first edit, but did not re-add alleged since the additional news articles clearly say the courts convicted Peace Now of publicizing a false report. Would the 1RR also include keeping false information in the article, or is it blanket 'don't revert twice'? Please be honest here, if you have issues, I'll revert that as well for now and get second opinion. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I see you chose to self-revert a different edit in order to keep a different revert. You should see [[WP:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive75#Nableezy|here]] where a similar situation resulted in a lengthy ban (for me) on the basis that such an action was "gaming". '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Shuki, you are free to remove anything you wish from your talk page as you did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shuki&diff=467247636&oldid=467247442 here], but the comment stands. In fact, looking at the thread I linked to above I see you participated in it, so you have no excuse for thinking that you can game the restriction in such a way. Please tell me if you are not going to self-revert your edit so that I can proceed with the AE report. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:I'll keep this embarrassing comment of yours in. Thanks for reminding me about that AE. It's good to keep a record of that information and that they did stop you in your tracks with that frequent tactic for once and for all. I guess I have to read up on about a years worth of action here to understand the new boundaries. If it's keeping your behaviour intact, must be good progress. Too bad you have not learnt to AGF and give me more than a minute to edit before re-threatening me. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

::And I appreciate your future drawing attention to many Israeli articles that I have to improve. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:50, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Talk:Hilltop_Youth#.22Groups.22.3F}} [[User:NickCT|NickCT]] ([[User talk:NickCT|talk]]) 13:52, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

== Please ==

I would love to see you take me to A/E for a typo and my [[Dysgraphia]]. See you there. -[[User:Asad112|asad]] ([[User talk:Asad112|talk]]) 23:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== AE ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Shuki] -[[User:Asad112|asad]] ([[User talk:Asad112|talk]]) 16:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

== Article ban ==

In accordance with [[WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions]], and as a result of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=476352352#Proposed_Remedies this AE thread], you are indefinitely (note not infinitely) banned from editing the article [[Golan Heights]]. You may, of course, appeal this sanction at any time to AE or to the Arbitration Committee. Speaking only for myself, I would imagine that the sanction could be lifted if you remained out of trouble for the next few months and then appealed it. Regards, [[User:HJ Mitchell|'''HJ Mitchell''']] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|Penny for your thoughts? ]] 01:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

==Thank you==
{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Camera Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Photographer's Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" |Thank you for the pictures you've taken and allowed others to use via Wikimedia Commons and contributing under CC and GFDL licensing. [[User:CocoaZen|CocoaZen]] ([[User talk:CocoaZen|talk]]) 15:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
|}
:I appreciate your appreciation. Thanks :-) --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

== Shooting move ==

I wasn't completely clear on the talk page. I did the move because two people had already suggested it (without a title). However, I didn't see that there was already a general article with the plural until after the move. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] - [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 15:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== No one reads AE talk ==

You should ask on of the admins active in the area on their talk page or put formal AE request.--[[User:Shrike|Shrike]] ([[User talk:Shrike|talk]]) 20:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== New AE request ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Shuki AE request]     ←  [[User talk:ZScarpia | ZScarpia]]   14:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

As a courtesy, I thought I should let you know that I've discussed you in relation to the recently ended AE request [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Discussion_concerning_ZScarpia_and_WLRoss here].     ←  [[User talk:ZScarpia | ZScarpia]]   00:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know, I guess. I will AGF you again, though I'm sure that many think it is quite funny that I get sanctioned while others (like you) are merely dismissed at a subsequent identical. I didn't goad you to taking me to AE, merely demanded that you retract that misleading accusation (in fact frivolous) and peculiar that even though I did not break 1RR, you succeeded in getting the admins to eliminate me for subjective reasons only. Now that the holiday is over, I will have to decide how to proceed. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

==Dispute resolution survey==
{| style="background-color: #CCFFFF; border: 4px solid #3399cc; width:100%" cellpadding="5"
| [[File:Peace dove.svg|right|70px]]
<big>'''Dispute Resolution – ''Survey Invite'''''</big>
----
Hello {{BASEPAGENAME}}. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released.

'''Please click [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDBlN2RPQzljTFgySWg1bGFPZkVJcWc6MQ HERE] to participate.''' 
Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts.
----
You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated [[meta:Research:Wikipedia Dispute Resolution|research page]]. [[User:Steven Zhang|Steven]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|Zhang]] [[WP:DRP|DR goes to Wikimania!]] 23:02, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
|}

== Pesach sameach ==

The symbolism of getting indef'ed from I/A articles on Pesach eve is too hard for me to not notice personally. I thank you all for being part of this message. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 09:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
:The ADL, which has a clear agenda, is not RS - but Peace Now, B'Tzelem and Ha'aretz, that also have clear agendas, are. Seems like the books have been cooked in Chametz Gamur, making it a good time to keep a distance. Pesach Sameach! --[[User:MichaelNetzer|MichaelNetzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelNetzer|talk]]) 15:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

== [[WP:ARBPIA]] Topic Ban ==

This notice is to inform that you are you [[WP:TBAN|banned]] from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces indefinitely per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=485917007&oldid=485916254 this AE report]. Violations of this ban will result in blocks, more information about topic bans can be found at [[WP:TBAN]]. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley|talk]]) 15:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

== Your free 1-year HighBeam Research account is ready ==

Good news! You are approved for access to 80 million articles in 6500 publications through [[HighBeam Research]].
* Account activation codes have been emailed.
* To activate your account: 1) Go to [http://www.highbeam.com/prof1 http://www.highbeam.com/prof1]
* The 1-year, free period begins once you enter the code.
* If you need assistance, email "help at highbeam dot com", and include "HighBeam/Wikipedia" in the subject line. Or go to [[WP:HighBeam/Support]], or ask [[User:Ocaasi]]. Please, per HighBeam's request, do not call the toll-free number for assistance with registration.
* A quick reminder about using the account: 1) try it out; 2) provide original citation information, in addition to linking to a HighBeam article; 3) avoid bare links to non-free HighBeam pages; 4) note "(subscription required)" in the citation, where appropriate. Examples are at [[WP:HighBeam/Citations]].
* HighBeam would love to hear feedback at [[WP:HighBeam/Experiences]]
* Show off your HighBeam access by placing <nowiki>{{User:Ocaasi/highbeam_userbox}}</nowiki> on your userpage
* When the 1-year period is up, check the [[WP:HighBeam/Applications|applications page]] to see if renewal is possible. We hope it will be.
Thanks for helping make Wikipedia better. Enjoy your research! Cheers, [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]] [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]] 04:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

==Orphaned non-free image File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg==
'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|⚠|link=]]''' Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).

Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in the [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#F5|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]]) 09:22, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

==[[:Category:Jewish film and theatre]]==
As you commented on this category at the previous discussion, please see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 17#Category:Jewish film and theatre (no. 2)]] which I have raised afresh at the suggestion of [[user:IZAK]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 07:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

==Notification of [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement]] filing==
Shuki, as I believe your comment on my talk page violates the topic ban to which you are subject, I have filed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&diff=503701541&oldid=503267313 a request] at [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement]] for review of the matter. I will refrain from myself imposing any administrative sanctions in the matter, since your post was directly questioning my judgment, and I do not believe it would be appropriate for me to unilaterally act in such a case. You may post a statement defending yourself, and since the AE thread directly accuses you of violating your topic ban, defending yourself ''will not'' be construed as a violation of your topic ban. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Balance icon.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] To enforce an [[WP:Arbitration|arbitration]] decision, you have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 week'''. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks#Arbitration enforcement blocks|guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks]] and follow the instructions there to appeal your block. <hr/>'''Notice to administrators:''' In a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=349940199#Motions_regarding_Trusilver_and_Arbitration_Enforcement March 2010 decision], the Committee held that "Administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]]). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification|proper page]]. Any administrator that overturns an enforcement action outside of these circumstances shall be subject to appropriate sanctions, up to and including desysopping, at the discretion of the Committee."</div> [[User:Heimstern|Heimstern Läufer]] [[User talk:Heimstern|(talk)]] 16:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

==[[:Category:Radio stations in Israel]]==
I suppose I should fix it myself but I'm not an experienced Wikipedia user/editor. Your edits to [[List of radio stations in Israel]] weren't done properly - you added (thank you!) Kol Chai and Kol Berama into the section for stations operated by the IBA instead of the section for commercial stations. (There may be other entries which are similarly wrong but I noticed yours).

==Disambiguation link notification for October 15==

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Israeli legislative election, 2013]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Ya'akov Katz]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Israeli_legislative_election%2C_2013|check to confirm]] | [[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Israeli_legislative_election%2C_2013|fix with Dab solver]]). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 11:14, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== Topic ban ==

Revert yourself or Ill file an enforcement request. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 21:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

:My topic ban is with regard to I-P, to which the Golan does not apply. I have edited Golan articles in the past topic bans as well. Thank you for caring. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::Your topic ban is "'''banned from all articles''', discussions, and other content related to the '''Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed''' across all namespaces" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitration%2FPalestine-Israel_articles&diff=485920582&oldid=485512797]. So its not only articles about I-P conflict , but also Syrian-Israeli conflict. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 00:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::You are right and thank you for clearing that up! Thank you for caring and not losing your watchful eye. Sorry to see you have not changed your aggressive attitude even for a simple realignment of an image. I would give you a barnstar but that would probably violate my topic ban. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== November 2012 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Balance icon.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] To enforce an [[WP:Arbitration|arbitration]] decision, you have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 year'''. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks#Arbitration enforcement blocks|guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks]] and follow the instructions there to appeal your block. [[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC) <hr/>'''Notice to administrators:''' In a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=349940199#Motions_regarding_Trusilver_and_Arbitration_Enforcement March 2010 decision], the Committee held that "Administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]]). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification|proper page]]. Any administrator that overturns an enforcement action outside of these circumstances shall be subject to appropriate sanctions, up to and including desysopping, at the discretion of the Committee."</div>
*[[User:Nableezy]] point out that your series of edits reveverted your intial changes. I failed to see that. I have unblocked you, and I sincerely apologize for my error.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I've updated the Ron Nachman page. I'm sure that this technically violates the ban but hope that editors and admins will understand the insertion of this and finalized personal neutral information later. Thanks. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

== 2013 election ==

See [[Talk:Israeli_legislative_election,_2013#Table_width|here]] for discussion needing input.--[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 20:39, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Eliezer Igra]] ==

Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biography of a living person]]: '''[[Eliezer Igra]]'''. The community has decided that all new biographies of living persons must contain a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article as per our [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiability policy]]. Please add [[WP:REF|references]] as soon as possible. Thanks! --[[User:LaraBot|LaraBot]] ([[User talk:LaraBot|talk]]) 00:11, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks bot, the article has been expanded.--[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 19:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
== Files missing description details ==

<div style="padding:5px; background-color:#E1F1DE;">'''Dear uploader:''' The media files you uploaded as:
*[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg]]
*[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank2.jpg]]
are missing a description and/or other details on their image description pages. If possible, please add this information. This will help other editors make better use of the images, and they will be more informative to readers.

If the information is not provided, the images may eventually be proposed for [[Wikipedia:Guide to image deletion|deletion]],
a situation which is not desirable, and which can easily be avoided.

If you have any questions, please see [[Help:Image page#Description of the image|Help:Image page]]. Thank you. [[User:Theo's Little Bot|Theo's Little Bot]] ([[User:Theo's Little Bot#Tasks|error?]]) 09:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC) </div>

== Talkback: you've got messages! ==

{{Talkback|User_talk:Theo's_Little_Bot|images|ts=by [[User:Theopolisme|Theopolisme]] at 22:49, 14 April 2013 (UTC)}}

== [[Shomer Masoret]] ==

Hi, I know that you are a good writer on Israeli topics, and would like to ask you, [[Shomer Masoret]] is my own work which i'm not satisfied with (Especially the content in context of form of translation as not being a native English speaker etc.). It's an important Israeli topic (39% of Israeli define themselves "Shomer Masoret"/Masorti", though it's not a movement, but rather a "Self Description" phenomenon). Can you help improve this article ? or can you recommend any user who is knowledgeable on [[Mizrahi]]/relgious topics in Israel? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 14:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:Legitimate article. Please add some references, I will try to edit in the next few days. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you :-) --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 07:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

What's up with editing the article [[Shomer Masoret]] ? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 18:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[David Lau]] ==


Hello, Shuki. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, [[David Lau]], for deletion because it's a [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biography of a living person]] that lacks references. If you don't want David Lau to be deleted, please [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|add a reference]] to the article.

If you don't understand this message, you can leave a note on [[User_talk:Ghostboy1997|my talk page]].

Thanks, [[User:Ghostboy1997|Ghostboy1997]] ([[User talk:Ghostboy1997|talk]]) 02:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
:are u kidding me? he was elected [[Chief Rabbi of Israel]]. i don't think it's so hard to find references online. instead of delete this article who clearly have to be, find the information there. [[User:TZivyA|TZivyA]] ([[User talk:TZivyA|talk]]) 23:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== Would you like to expand [[Four Mothers (movement)]]? ==

hi shuki, would you be intrested in helping expand [[Four Mothers (movement)]]? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 11:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:Sorry. I don't have enough information on this group. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

== Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter ==

<div style="border: 2px dashed #ADC2E4; margin: 1px; padding: 1em 2% 1em">
<center><big><big><big>'''''[[Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/October2013|Books and Bytes]]'''''</big>
Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013
[[File:Eurasian_Eagle-Owl_Maurice_van_Bruggen.JPG|100px]]
by {{user|The Interior}}, {{user|Ocaasi}}</center>
<big>'''Greetings [[WP:TWL|Wikipedia Library]] members!'''</big> Welcome to the inaugural edition of ''Books and Bytes'', TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of ''Books and Bytes'', please add your name to [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/Recipients|the subscriber's list]]. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved...
'''New positions:''' Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, or a Volunteer Wikipedia Librarian
'''Wikipedia Loves Libraries:''' Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted.
'''New subscription donations:''' Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis??
'''New ideas:''' OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges
'''News from the library world:''' Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY
'''Announcing WikiProject Open:''' WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions
'''New ways to get involved:''' Visiting scholar requirements; subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration 
<big>[[Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/October2013|Read the full newsletter]]</big> 
''Thanks for reading! All future newsletters will be '''opt-in''' only. Have an item for the next issue? Leave a note for the editor on the [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/Suggestions|Suggestions page]]. --[[User:The Interior|The Interior]] 21:22, 27 October 2013 (UTC)''
</div>


== Topic ban (2) ==

You need to stop making those edits, per your topic ban. Thanks. [[User:Nomoskedasticity|Nomoskedasticity]] ([[User talk:Nomoskedasticity|talk]]) 20:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:My topic ban is pertaining to the IP articles, not political parties. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:09, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::Your topic ban is to the Arab-Israeli conflict. If you think [[Neo-Zionism]] is not pertinent to the Arab-Israeli conflict, well that's just odd. And surely not plausible, say for example at AE. [[User:Nomoskedasticity|Nomoskedasticity]] ([[User talk:Nomoskedasticity|talk]]) 20:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::You just reverted me without reading anything.
:::The parties that are categorized are described as Neo-Zionists is the article Neo-Zionist and this is sourced. For some articles it was even mentionned in the article itself.
:::Neo-Zionism movement rejects the idea of a Palestinian State and consider Eretz-Israel comprises (at minimum) the totality of former Mandate Palestine. This is therefore a topic that is linked to the I-P conflict.
:::If you don't self-revert, I assume that you will be blocked.
:::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 20:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::::You're dragging me into the specific area that I am not allowed to edit in, and that was not my intention at all. You might notice that I have respected the TBAN over the past year and have no intention of breaking it. As per the reverts, gimme some time, I will return with the permission I received from admin about this. If I am mistaken, I can make the reverts. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:24, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Hello,
:::::I didn't "drag" you anywhere. I even never met you. You jumped there alone.
:::::Anyway, there is no hurry and I don't see any issue if you discuss this with admins as long as you take care of your actions, discuss in talk pages and don't transform these articles in a WP:BATTLEGROUND for ideological reasons.
:::::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 20:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Reverted all the articles I had edited today. I don't have time to get into that. Eventually, will probably will issue an appeal to AE, but would like to continue the WP vacation this TBAN has afforded a bit longer. I remember now what a battleground you guys still think this is and thank you too for watching out for me. Pluto, I think I know who you were. Please be careful. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:41, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I formerly edited wikipedia under the account "ceedjee".
:::::::What are your concerns with the fact to create the category "Neo-Zionism" and to add there the political parties and movements as well as some people who adhere to this philosophy ?
:::::::You asked for WP:RS for this but :
:::::::* most are referred as such (with sources) on the article [[Neo-Zionism]].
:::::::* have in mind that scholars share the spectrum in 3 parts : Zionists, Post-Zionists and Neo-Zionists. Each party should be somewhere in one of these third. (There are few Anti-Zionist parties in Israel, if any).
:::::::If you give precise concerns for one given article (one at at time), I don't mind discussing this with you.
:::::::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 06:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:I can't discuss that issue with you because the pro-___ warriors will chew me out like they did the rest. FWIW, in general of course, it is OR to label / cat articles about people and organizations that are not labeled with that term widely, and perhaps by one or only a few writers, if they are mentioned specifically. ANd it is OR to construe by their minority definition of a term and then place it on everything that might then fit the definition, even if it was never mentioned explicitly, or even existed at the time of the author's mention. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 16:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
::I agree with your analysis.
::But sincerely, I don't think we are on the wrong side of the red line.
::* The reference that I used for the political parties is [[Anita Shapira]] and 2 other scholars. These are not Post-Zionists (ideological adversaries of Neo-Zionists) and these are not just journalists but academics who specialized on the Israeli society.
::* For Im Titzu, they describe themselves as such on their website and other do so too.
::* There was already a category named "Kahanism" (much more discussable from my point of view) that I englobed in this one.
::* The only litiguous case that I see is that I extended the category a little bit to cases without trying to find sources but as a consequence I restricted myself to cases where, if I don't check for sources, it cannot be denied they concern Neo-Zionism (ex. [[Professors for a Strong Israel]], [[Aryeh Eldad]], [[Movement for Greater Israel]]...). I don't think it is WP:OR. It is rather a case of "reference needed" at worse. And if somebody disagrees, I will just ask me to chose a better option between : Anti-Zionism, Post-Zionism, Secular Zionism or Zionism...
::NB: I am sorry for your topic ban. The I-P arena is really unpleasant and "staying <s>alive</s>" unbanned is a miracle. I you fear that this discussion could cause you trouble or tire you, there is no need to go on this right now. [[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 17:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

== The Wikipedia Library Survey ==

As a subscriber to one of [[WP:TWL|The Wikipedia Library]]'s programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this [https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_23JuoVF5e7dgDl3 '''brief survey.'''] Thanks and cheers, [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]] [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]] 15:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


{{YGM|sig=[[User:Atefrat|@Efrat]] ([[User talk:Atefrat|talk]]) 06:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC)}}
: Sorry, I must have missed that. Please resend if still relevant. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:35, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== CfD nomination of [[:Category:{{ucfirst:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|40px|left]]
'''[[:Category:{{ucfirst:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}]]''' has been nominated for {{#ifeq:|yes|deletion|{{#ifeq:|yes|merging|{{#ifeq:|yes|renaming|deletion, merging, or renaming}}}}}}. You are encouraged to join the '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion{{#if:2014 April 8|/Log/2014 April 8}}#{{#if:1917 in the Palestinian territories|1917 in the Palestinian territories|Category:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}|discussion]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|Categories for discussion]] page. [[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 17:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know. I have an opinion on this but I have yet to bother to appeal the TBAN that I'd be violating to comment there. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

== Your topic ban ==
*[[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_1#4th_and_6th_centuries_in_Israel]]
As you note in the thread directly above, you shouldn't have commented in this discussion. As such, your comments were not considered in the closure.

I strongly encourage you to not do this again, as another admin might have sanctioned you rather than merely giving this warning, based upon your past history, for example.

If you have any concerns about this message, feel free to start a thread at [[WP:AN], where I welcome community review of my words here. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:Thank you for watching out. My topic ban is not for Israeli history issues, so I suggest you first describe here how you justified this judge-jury decision without approaching me in good faith. Per AGF, my 'past history' is over a year ago and I expect a bit more consideration. If I take it to ANI, is it technically possible to regenerate the comment for ANI (not the cat discussion that is closed)? It seems to have been deleted and not in my contribution history either. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 22:33, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
::Right page, wrong thread. I've corrected the link. My apologies for any misunderstanding.
::And I'll leave others to decide how to interpret "broadly construed". As I merely left a warning and not a [[WP:BLOCK]]. Please feel free to ask arbcom for a clarification at your discretion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 19:44, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
:::It would have been easier to ask the admin who closed the tban and let me edit Israel articles. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 19:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Yitzhak Kaduri

2014-04-23T23:05:14Z

Shuki: Undid revision 605241120 by 119.92.185.135 (talk) this info is common knowledge, so reverted, yet with request for references

[[File:HakhamYits haqKadouri.jpg|200px|thumbnail|right]]
'''Yitzchak Kaduri''' ({{Lang-he-n|יצחק כדורי}}, {{lang-ar|'''اسحق قدوري'''}}), also spelled '''Kadouri''', '''Kadourie''', '''Kedourie'''; "[[Yitzhak]]" also spelled '''Yitzhak''' (died January 28, 2006),<ref>{{cite news|last = Wagner|first = Matthew|title = Judaism: The magic of the late Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri|work = Features|publisher = [[The Jerusalem Post]]|date = 2006-02-06|url = http://fr.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1138622536007&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull|accessdate = 2008-09-13|archiveurl = http://www.webcitation.org/5wRWijFrF |archivedate = 2011-02-12|deadurl=no}}</ref> was a renowned [[Mizrahi Haredi]] [[rabbi]] and [[Kabbalah|kabbalist]] who devoted his life to [[Torah]] study and [[prayer]] on behalf of the [[Jew]]ish people. He taught and practiced the ''kavanot'' of the [[Shalom Sharabi|Rashash]]. His blessings and [[amulet]]s were also widely sought to cure people of illnesses and [[infertility]]. In his life, he published no religious articles or books.<ref>[http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2006/jan/31/guardianobituaries.israel Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri] {{WebCite|url=http://www.webcitation.org/5wRWkeG3W|date =2011-02-12}}</ref> At the time of his death, estimates of his age ranged from 110 to 118, and his birth year is still disputed.

==Youth==
He was born in [[Baghdad]], in 1902 which was verified with mishpacha magazine live interview with the rabbi back in 2005. [[Baghdad]] which was then part of the [[Ottoman Empire|Ottoman Turkish]] ''[[Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire|vilayets]]'', to Rabbi Katchouri Diba ben Aziza, a spice trader.

As a youngster, Kaduri excelled in his studies and began learning [[Kabbalah]] while still in his teens, a study that would last his entire life. He was a student of the ''[[Ben Ish Chai]]'' (Rabbi Yosef Chaim of Baghdad) and studied at the [[Zilka]] Yeshivah in [[Baghdad]].

Rabbi Kaduri moved to the [[British Mandate of Palestine]] (Eretz Israel, the Holy Land) in 1923 upon the advice of the elders of Baghdad, who hoped that his scholarship and piety would stop the incursion of [[Zionism]] in the post-[[World War I]] state. It was here that he changed his name from Diba to Kaduri.

==Student of Kabbalah==
He went to study at the [[Shoshanim LeDavid]] [[Yeshiva]] for [[kabbalah|kabbalists]] from Iraq. There he learned from the leading kabbalists of the time, including [[Yehuda Fatiyah|Rabbi Yehuda Ftaya]], author of ''Beit Lechem Yehudah'', and Rabbi [[Yaakov Chaim Sofer]], author of ''Kaf Hachaim''. He later immersed himself in regular [[Talmud]]ic study and rabbinical law in the [[Porat Yosef Yeshiva]] in Jerusalem's [[Old City (Jerusalem)|Old City]], where he also studied Kabbalah with the Rosh Yeshivah, Rabbi [[Ezra Attiya]], Rabbi [[Saliman Eliyahu]] (father of Sephardic Chief Rabbi [[Mordechai Eliyahu]]), and other learned rabbis.

In 1934, Rabbi Kaduri and his family moved to the Old City, where the Porat Yosef Yeshivah gave him an apartment nearby with a job of binding the yeshivah's books and copying over rare manuscripts in the yeshivah's library. The books remained in the yeshivah's library, while the copies of manuscripts were stored in Rabbi Kaduri's personal library. Before binding each book, he would study it intently, committing it to memory. He was reputed to have a [[photographic memory]] and also mastered the [[Talmud]] by heart, including the adjoining [[Rashi]] and [[Tosafot]] commentaries.{{Citation needed|date=August 2012}}

During the period of [[Arab]]-[[Israel]]i friction that led up to the [[1948 Arab–Israeli War|1948 Arab Israeli War]], the Porat Yosef Yeshivah was virtually turned into a fortress against frequent flashes of violence. When the Jewish quarter of the Old City fell to the invading [[Jordan]]ian Army during the [[1948 Arab-Israeli War]], the Jordanians set fire to the yeshivah and all surrounding houses, destroying all the books and manuscripts that Rabbi Kaduri could not smuggle to [[Beit El Yeshiva]] (''Yeshivat HaMekubalim'') in Jerusalem. He knew all the writings of Rabbi [[Yitzhak Luria]], the founder of modern Kabbalah, by heart. After the passing of the leading kabbalist, Rabbi [[Efraim Hakohen]], in 1989, the remaining kabbalists appointed Rabbi Kaduri as their head.{{Citation needed|date=August 2012}}

Rabbi Kaduri did not publish any of the works that he authored on Kabbalah; he allowed only students of Kabbalah to study them. He did publish some articles criticizing those who engage in "practical Kabbalah", the popular dissemination of advice or amulets, often for a price. He also spoke out against the development of cult organizations frequented by [[celebrity|pop celebrities]]. "Kabbalah should not be taught to non-Jews," he explained.{{Citation needed|date=August 2012}}

==Blessings, amulets and prophecies==

Over the years, thousands of people (mainly but not exclusively [[Sephardi Jews]]) would come to seek his advice, blessings and [[amulet]]s which he would create specifically for the individual in need. He had learned the Kabbalistic secrets of the amulets from his teacher, Rabbi [[Yehuda Fatiyah]]. Many people directly attributed personal miracles to receiving a blessing from Rabbi Kaduri, such as: recovery from severe illnesses and diseases, children born to couples with [[fertility]] problems, finding a spouse, and economic blessings.{{or}}

His rise to fame, though, began when his son, Rabbi [[David Kaduri]], who ran a poultry store in the [[Bukharim]] Market, decided to found a proper yeshivah organization under his father. Called [[Nachalat Yitzchak yeshiva]], it was located adjacent to the family home in the Bukharim neighbourhood of [[Jerusalem]]. His grandson, [[Yossi Kaduri]], took part in this endeavour with him.

Kaduri reportedly received blessings from the ''[[Ben Ish Chai]]'' (Rabbi Yosef Chaim of Baghdad) in 1908<ref name=arutz_sheva_2005_10_19/> and from [[Menachem Mendel Schneerson|the Lubavitcher Rebbe]] (Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson) in 1990<ref name=arutz_sheva_2005_09_21/> that he would meet the Messiah. In this context it is worth noting that many regard Rabbi Schneerson himself as the messiah (ibid.), which contextualization certainly may inform the scope of such a blessing. Regardless, other sources{{Citation needed|date=August 2012}} say these blessings were for ''arichat yamim'', long life, which was certainly reflected in his advanced age.

Kaduri was seen as a prophesier. In late 2004, Kaduri said "Great tragedies in the world are foreseen" two weeks before the [[2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami]]; reporter Baruch Gordon of [[Arutz Sheva]] connected the two by saying Kaduri "predicted" the tragedy.<ref name=arutz_sheva_2005_09_21>{{cite news | url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/89850#.UCABYSPfu5k | title=Kabbalist Urges Jews to Israel Ahead of Upcoming Disasters | work=Israel National News | date=21 September 2005 | accessdate=August 6, 2012 | author=Gordon, Baruch}}</ref> In 2005, Kaduri made predictions of further natural disasters.<ref name=arutz_sheva_2005_10_19>{{cite news | url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=91417 | title=Leading Kabbalist Urges Jews to Israel - More Disasters Coming | work=Israel National News | date=2005-10-19 | accessdate=August 6, 2012}}</ref>

==Involvement in politics==
The last two decades of his life were marred by the controversial way that some would use him to promote various political parties. Rabbi Kaduri achieved celebrity status during the [[Israeli legislative election, 1996|1996 Knesset elections]] when he was flown by [[helicopter]] to multiple political rallies in support of the [[Shas]] party, and for amulets that were produced in his name for supporters of that party.

In October 1997, [[Benjamin Netanyahu]], who was then in his first term as [[Prime Minister of Israel]], came to visit Kaduri at his synagogue and was recorded as whispering in his ear "the left has forgotten what it is to be a Jew". This was considered as a divisive action and resonated in the press.<ref>[http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/spages/1085803.html A Moment of Grace for the Media: Political Slips of the tongue] {{WebCite|url=http://www.webcitation.org/5wRWmkQbp|date =2011-02-12}}</ref>

==Final days==
[[File:Kaduri funeral.JPG|thumb|right|250px|The funeral procession in front of the Nachalat Yitzchak Yeshiva, David St., Bucharim neighbourhood, Jerusalem]]
[[File:Grave of Yitzhak Kaduri.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Tombstone of the ''Rosh HaMekubalim'' Yitzhak Kaduri]]
Kaduri lived a life of poverty and simplicity. He ate little, spoke little, and prayed each month at the gravesites of [[tzaddik]]im in Israel. His first wife, [[Rabbanit]] Sara, died in 1989. He remarried in 1993 to [[Rabbanit]] Dorit, a [[baalat teshuva]] who was just over half his age.

In January 2006, Rabbi Kaduri was hospitalized with [[pneumonia]] in the [[Bikur Holim Hospital|Bikur Holim]] hospital in Jerusalem, where there wasn't an automatic artificial respirator, which was donated by a close person. He died at around 10 p.m. on January 28, 2006 (29 [[Tevet]] 5766). He was alert and lucid until his last day.

An estimated 300,000 people took part in his funeral procession on January 29, which started from the Nachalat Yitzchak Yeshivah and wound its way through the streets of Jerusalem to the [[Givat Shaul]] cemetery near the entrance to the city of [[Jerusalem]].

==Messiah==
[[File:Yitzhak Kaduri's note.jpg|thumb|left|250px|The note in question, sealed to be opened posthumously]]
Before his death, Kaduri had said that he expected the [[Jewish Messiah]] to arrive soon, and that he had met him a year earlier.<ref name=Maariv>[http://www.webcitation.org/69kTr7v00 Maariv obituary], retrieved May 22, 2012</ref><ref name=arutz_sheva_2006_01_24>{{cite news | url=http://www.webcitation.org/69kU8bTtI | title=Rabbi Kaduri´s Most Recent Words | work=Israel National News | date=2006-01-24 | accessdate=August 6, 2012}}</ref> It has been alleged that he left a hand-written note to his followers and they were reportedly instructed to only open the note after Rabbi Kaduri had been dead for one year. After this time period had passed, the note was opened by these followers and was found to read, "{{lang|he|ירים העם ויוכיח שדברו ותורתו עומדים}}" (translated as "he will raise the people and confirm that his word and law are standing"), which by acronym, suggested the name "Yehoshua.".<ref>{{cite news | url=http://www.news1.co.il/Archive/001-D-120924-00.html|title=A note of Rabbi Kaduri with the name of the messiah | work=News First Class | date=2007-01-18 | accessdate=2013-09-08}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | url=http://www.news1.co.il/Archive/001-D-121332-00.html|title=The note of Rabbi Kaduri - the messiah: Yehoshua| work=News First Class | date=2007-01-23 | accessdate=2013-09-08}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | url=http://www.kaduri.net/_uploads/extraimg/note3.jpg|title=Image of the note of Rabbi Kaduri - the messiah: Yehoshua| work=Rabbi Kaduri's former official website | accessdate=2013-09-08}}</ref> "Yehoshua" is the Hebrew version of "Joshua" or "[[Jesus]]".

==References==
<references />

==External links==
* [http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/video/ViewVideo.asp?id=4424 Video of Kaduri visit in summer 2000 to] [[Bet El]] {{he icon}}
* [http://judaism.about.com/od/kabbalah/p/kaduri.htm about.com obituary]
* [http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1698663,00.html Kaduri Guardian obituary 1900-2006]

{{Porat Yosef Yeshiva}}

{{Persondata 
| NAME = Kaduri, Yitzchak
| ALTERNATIVE NAMES =
| SHORT DESCRIPTION = Israeli rabbi
| DATE OF BIRTH =
| PLACE OF BIRTH =
| DATE OF DEATH = 2006-01-28
| PLACE OF DEATH =
}}
{{DEFAULTSORT:Kaduri, Yitzchak}}
[[Category:2006 deaths]]
[[Category:People from Baghdad]]
[[Category:Iraqi Jews]]
[[Category:Iraqi emigrants to Israel]]
[[Category:Rabbis in Jerusalem]]
[[Category:Israeli centenarians]]
[[Category:Sephardic Haredi rabbis in Israel]]
[[Category:Kabbalists]]
[[Category:Rabbis in Mandatory Palestine]]
[[Category:Burials at Har HaMenuchot]]
[[Category:Year of birth missing]]
[[Category:Israeli people of Iraqi-Jewish descent]]

User talk:Shuki

2014-04-23T22:33:22Z

Shuki: /* Your topic ban */ reply

<div class="usermessage">''Note to posters:'' Let's try to keep [[Wikipedia:Talk_page#How_to_keep_a_two-way_conversation_readable|two-way conversations readable]]. If you post to my talk page, I will just reply here. If I posted recently to another talk page, including your talk page, then that means I have it on my watchlist and will just read responses there. I may also refactor discussions to your talk page for the same reason. Thanks. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]]</div>

==Welcome==

'''Welcome!'''

Hello, {{PAGENAME}}, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
*[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
*[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
*[[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
*[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Tutorial]]
*[[Wikipedia:How to write a great article|How to write a great article]]
*[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Where to ask a question]], ask me on my talk page, or place <code>{{helpme}}</code> on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  And Shalom! [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 08:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


{| class="infobox" width="315px"
|-
! align="center" | [[Image:Vista-file-manager.png|50px|Archive]] [[Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page|Archives]]
----
|-
|
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive1|Archive1]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive2|Archive2]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive3|Archive3]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive4|Archive4]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive5|Archive5]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive6|Archive6]]
#
|}

== חַג חֲנֻכָּה שָׂמֵחַ==

<div style="background:black;border:5px ridge purple;color:gold;font-family:monotype corsiva;font-size:200%">
<center>הַנֵּרוֹת הַלָּלוּ קֹדֶשׁ הֵם</center>
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|left|60px]]
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|right|60px]]<center>
Hi Shuki! Hoping you and yours are
spiritually warmed by the holy lights of
חֲנֻכָּה
Chesdovi 2010</center>
</div>

==[[Talk:James_G._Lindsay]]==
Hi Shuki, I'll really appreciate your comments about my new suggestions. [[User:Nik Sage|Nik Sage]] ([[User talk:Nik Sage|talk]]) 11:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[List of Chabad houses]] for deletion ==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|42px|alt=|link=]]</div>The article '''[[List of Chabad houses]]''' is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Chabad houses]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Frivolous SPI ==

Is there any sanction that can be applied to editors who fish for checkusers with little substantial basis? It seems that there is no real evidence of anything except common editing yet it would seem that anyone is free to come an accuse as well as join the party. If anyone sees this, please add a remark for me on [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shuki|the SPI]]. I hope it is not tempting a followup accusation of meat, yet I think it is only fair for the accused to reply. I make a dumb mistake, and everyone is piling on to join in the Shuki bashing. Thanks. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:I would like to welcome [[User talk:Bulldog123|Bulldog123]] and [[User talk:Betsythedevine|Betsythedevine]] into the ranks of the I-P battleground and thank them for waking me up from a month of WP slumber. I am also as perplexed that with many of the regular I-P editors currently topic banned or interaction banned, they have suddenly shown an sudden uncharacteristic interest in this area, as well as a strong interest [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bulldog123&action=historysubmit&diff=407032840&oldid=406961606 especially with the pro-Israel editors]. Very peculiar... At least Betsy contributes to the project, maybe one day I will understand if Bulldog does anything other than attack and bring antagonism where he goes. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 16:37, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Wikipedia's 10th anniversary ==

[[File:10piece-english-L k.svg|200px]][[File:Wp10 norway logo.jpg|200px]][[File:10piece-hebrew-R k.svg|200px]]

== Question about Beit Yatir / Teaneck relationship ==

Hi. I'm currently investing a brouhaha over an alleged twinning between the town of Teaneck, NJ and the moshav Bet Yatir. As far as I can tell, the only source for the twinning is your unsourced edit at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beit_Yatir&diff=174698486&oldid=174697857

Could you please contact me at larry at jewishmediagroup dot com and let me know what your source was for this edit? Thank you!

[[User:Yudel|Yudel]] ([[User talk:Yudel|talk]]) 20:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

:You could click on the left side 'E-mail this user' as I rarely check here these days, enjoying a blessed WP vacation. I don't recall where I took that from. It seemed plausible. Most people on WP after a few months know that if someone has a problem with any claim, they can stick a template on to request sources and then remove it after a few weeks if nothing shows up. How is that brouhaha going? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

== Well, I hope you are happy ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-03-28/In_the_news]. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 00:58, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know about this. Too bad no one bothered to email me. I would not use the word 'happy', rather 'mildly amused' that some irrational person blew this wildly out of proportion. I just replied to Yudel above what any newbie to WP would do in order to avert a crisis. But this Siegel character, may he see how he has erred and caused strife instead of peace, was apparently looking for confrontation ''demanding that township officials '''publicly renounce''' the connection'' instead of merely doing some investigative footwork to see if Teaneck was even twinned with any other municipality in the first place. I am not surprised why everyone on the city council ignored his requests. The article is actually written okay and reminds me of good old style of investigative journalism you rarely see these days.

*FWIW, I've never been to Teaneck or Beit Yatir and I cannot recall where I got that info. In my early WP days, I would copy information from other WP articles if it seemed plausible and uncontroversial. I definitely noticed that mentions of twin cities in other geo articles never had references, so I did not bother with that section there either.
*FWIW2, if this Siegel character is so interested in being anti-Zionist, than he should not be using or giving credibility to WP which is based on [[PHP]], a programming language which has a strong root in Israel. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 22:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

==Orphaned non-free image File:Nation with the Golan.jpg==
'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|⚠|link=]]''' Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:Nation with the Golan.jpg]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[Wikipedia:Orphan|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:MyContributions|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in the [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.  '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 14:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC) 14:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

== Happy [[Jerusalem Day|Yom Yerusalyim]] to all. ==

[[File:Western wall jerusalem night.jpg|left|thumb|250px]]
'''Jerusalem Day''' ({{lang-he|יום ירושלים}}, ''Yom Yerushalayim'') is an [[Jewish holiday#New Israeli/Jewish national holidays|Israeli national holiday]] commemorating the reunification of [[Jerusalem]] and the establishment of Israeli control over the [[Old City (Jerusalem)|Old City]] in June 1967. The [[Chief Rabbinate of Israel]] declared Jerusalem Day a minor religious holiday to thank God for the [[Six-Day War|6-day]] victory and for answering the 2,000-year-old prayer of "Next Year in Jerusalem".
[[File:Flag of Jerusalem.svg|right|thumb|250px]]

== I need your help ==

I was recently engaged in a somewhat productive talk regarding Ariel (city) with other Wikipedians. I would highly appreciate your help (and the help of everyone who wishes to help us) in better editing the article there in general, while preventing one-sided editing in particular. Can you please visit the Ariel (city) article and help me? [[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 13:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

after my last post (is that the right term, post?) here above. I had the following massege left on my page :"Please do not engage in the sort of canvassing that you have on Shuki's talk page. Also, please note that this editor is currently topic banned and may not participate in such discussions. -asad (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)". i mention it here for two reasons: 1. i disagree with what ASAD is describing as 'canvassing', but clearly you have a much more important opinion in that regard (behing your page and all...) 2. they say that you are 'topic banned' and i wonder if that is true (and how come you were banned). thank you in advance for your much needed (more than ever) help.[[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 15:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
:I hope Shuki will not mind me answering this. He is banned, see [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Log_of_blocks_and_bans|this sanctions log]]. --[[User:ElComandanteChe|ElComandanteChe]] ([[User talk:ElComandanteChe|talk]]) 16:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

::I want to thank the community for watching out for me. I don't think this is canvassing at all, but as everyone knows, (I'm touched) I cannot edit on certain articles for about another 150 days. I wonder if I'm allowed to discuss these issues on my talk page because that seems to be ex-territorial. Anyone have any insight on that? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I also wonder how can i send an e-mail to Shuki in particular and others in general? where can i find someone's e-mail adress?[[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 17:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

:If you create a username, then on the left side of most userpages there will be a link to "E-mail this user". Though, I can't guarantee that I'll answer. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

== Elazar Abuhatzeira ==

Why did you create the article in mainspace if you had no references? There's no contest for "creating the most useless stubs that will get deleted." I also must admit that I am ''very'' skeptical of notability of a religious scholar only being provable as soon as said scholar is dead, in spite of a 40-plus year career. In short, rather than fighting to keep it in mainspacce, why not create it in your userspace and ''then'' just move it when it meets policies? [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 02:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
:It's best not to comment on articles or people you do not know about, though I am not one, I understand the attitudes of deletionists. Anyway, as a veteran editor looking for information on which to base opinions, you definitely would have clicked on interwiki links to see if the other languages have any info. Even if you don't speak those languages, you can still get a picture of the legitimacy of a subject for an article since we AGF and assume that other wikis are also maintained to high standards. In any case, the reason why there was no article until now is because a) there was not much RS available except for a major scandal and b) I created the stub because this was a breaking story and there was nothing in English on the web about it and the context of being from a notable family dynasty. People trust WP for breaking news even if only a byte of info. This is not a stub that will get deleted and I assume a veteran editor like yourself would again AGF and check my record of edits before assuming I would create a 'useless stub'. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 04:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::You said exactly what I thought you would say, which was "People trust WP for breaking news even if only a byte of info." I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTNEWS|not news]]. This is an encyclopedia, not a media outlet. [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 04:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:::You know that officially is the motto here, but in reality, WP is a form of encyclopedia, almanac, journal and repository of history. If WP was really notnews, there would not articles like [[:2011 Norway attacks]] for instance. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 08:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

==AfD==
Please see: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armoured bus]][[User:Kitfoxxe|Kitfoxxe]] ([[User talk:Kitfoxxe|talk]]) 05:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

== Welcome back ==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[Image:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]|[[Image:Original_Barnstar.png|100px]]}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Just saw your post on AE and thought to commend you on the perceptive, pointed and civil comments there. Baruch Shuvcha! --[[User:MichaelNetzer|MichaelNetzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelNetzer|talk]]) 04:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
|}

:Thanks. I appreciate your fine contributions. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 07:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== חַג חֲנֻכָּה שָׂמֵחַ==

<div style="background:black;border:5px ridge purple;color:gold;font-family:monotype corsiva;font-size:200%">
<center>הַנֵּרוֹת הַלָּלוּ קֹדֶשׁ הֵם</center>
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|left|60px]]
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|right|60px]]<center>
Hi Shuki! Hoping you and yours are
spiritually warmed by the holy lights of
חֲנֻכָּה
Jiujitsuguy 2011</center>
</div>

:Toda. Good to see your still around. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

== Revava ==

You have violated the 1RR. Self-revert your edit or you may be reported. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:Please explain. This 1RR must have happened when I was gone. I reverted you once is a violation of 1RR? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::Your first edit was labeled a partial revert, your second a wholesale revert. So you have made 2 reverts, which is more than the allowed 1. Every article in the topic area is covered by a 1RR, see [[WP:ARBPIA#General 1RR restriction]]. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah, you are playing games with me. I understand now. I recall now how you do it, gimme a min. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::::No, not a game. Not even a ''warning''. Rather, a request that you self-revert your edit and a notice that if you refuse to do so I will report you for violating the 1RR. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, not warning - coming from you is a threat. I self-reverted my first edit, but did not re-add alleged since the additional news articles clearly say the courts convicted Peace Now of publicizing a false report. Would the 1RR also include keeping false information in the article, or is it blanket 'don't revert twice'? Please be honest here, if you have issues, I'll revert that as well for now and get second opinion. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I see you chose to self-revert a different edit in order to keep a different revert. You should see [[WP:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive75#Nableezy|here]] where a similar situation resulted in a lengthy ban (for me) on the basis that such an action was "gaming". '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Shuki, you are free to remove anything you wish from your talk page as you did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shuki&diff=467247636&oldid=467247442 here], but the comment stands. In fact, looking at the thread I linked to above I see you participated in it, so you have no excuse for thinking that you can game the restriction in such a way. Please tell me if you are not going to self-revert your edit so that I can proceed with the AE report. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:I'll keep this embarrassing comment of yours in. Thanks for reminding me about that AE. It's good to keep a record of that information and that they did stop you in your tracks with that frequent tactic for once and for all. I guess I have to read up on about a years worth of action here to understand the new boundaries. If it's keeping your behaviour intact, must be good progress. Too bad you have not learnt to AGF and give me more than a minute to edit before re-threatening me. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

::And I appreciate your future drawing attention to many Israeli articles that I have to improve. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:50, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Talk:Hilltop_Youth#.22Groups.22.3F}} [[User:NickCT|NickCT]] ([[User talk:NickCT|talk]]) 13:52, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

== Please ==

I would love to see you take me to A/E for a typo and my [[Dysgraphia]]. See you there. -[[User:Asad112|asad]] ([[User talk:Asad112|talk]]) 23:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== AE ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Shuki] -[[User:Asad112|asad]] ([[User talk:Asad112|talk]]) 16:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

== Article ban ==

In accordance with [[WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions]], and as a result of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=476352352#Proposed_Remedies this AE thread], you are indefinitely (note not infinitely) banned from editing the article [[Golan Heights]]. You may, of course, appeal this sanction at any time to AE or to the Arbitration Committee. Speaking only for myself, I would imagine that the sanction could be lifted if you remained out of trouble for the next few months and then appealed it. Regards, [[User:HJ Mitchell|'''HJ Mitchell''']] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|Penny for your thoughts? ]] 01:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

==Thank you==
{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Camera Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Photographer's Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" |Thank you for the pictures you've taken and allowed others to use via Wikimedia Commons and contributing under CC and GFDL licensing. [[User:CocoaZen|CocoaZen]] ([[User talk:CocoaZen|talk]]) 15:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
|}
:I appreciate your appreciation. Thanks :-) --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

== Shooting move ==

I wasn't completely clear on the talk page. I did the move because two people had already suggested it (without a title). However, I didn't see that there was already a general article with the plural until after the move. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] - [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 15:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== No one reads AE talk ==

You should ask on of the admins active in the area on their talk page or put formal AE request.--[[User:Shrike|Shrike]] ([[User talk:Shrike|talk]]) 20:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== New AE request ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Shuki AE request]     ←  [[User talk:ZScarpia | ZScarpia]]   14:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

As a courtesy, I thought I should let you know that I've discussed you in relation to the recently ended AE request [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Discussion_concerning_ZScarpia_and_WLRoss here].     ←  [[User talk:ZScarpia | ZScarpia]]   00:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know, I guess. I will AGF you again, though I'm sure that many think it is quite funny that I get sanctioned while others (like you) are merely dismissed at a subsequent identical. I didn't goad you to taking me to AE, merely demanded that you retract that misleading accusation (in fact frivolous) and peculiar that even though I did not break 1RR, you succeeded in getting the admins to eliminate me for subjective reasons only. Now that the holiday is over, I will have to decide how to proceed. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

==Dispute resolution survey==
{| style="background-color: #CCFFFF; border: 4px solid #3399cc; width:100%" cellpadding="5"
| [[File:Peace dove.svg|right|70px]]
<big>'''Dispute Resolution – ''Survey Invite'''''</big>
----
Hello {{BASEPAGENAME}}. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released.

'''Please click [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDBlN2RPQzljTFgySWg1bGFPZkVJcWc6MQ HERE] to participate.''' 
Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts.
----
You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated [[meta:Research:Wikipedia Dispute Resolution|research page]]. [[User:Steven Zhang|Steven]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|Zhang]] [[WP:DRP|DR goes to Wikimania!]] 23:02, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
|}

== Pesach sameach ==

The symbolism of getting indef'ed from I/A articles on Pesach eve is too hard for me to not notice personally. I thank you all for being part of this message. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 09:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
:The ADL, which has a clear agenda, is not RS - but Peace Now, B'Tzelem and Ha'aretz, that also have clear agendas, are. Seems like the books have been cooked in Chametz Gamur, making it a good time to keep a distance. Pesach Sameach! --[[User:MichaelNetzer|MichaelNetzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelNetzer|talk]]) 15:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

== [[WP:ARBPIA]] Topic Ban ==

This notice is to inform that you are you [[WP:TBAN|banned]] from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces indefinitely per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=485917007&oldid=485916254 this AE report]. Violations of this ban will result in blocks, more information about topic bans can be found at [[WP:TBAN]]. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley|talk]]) 15:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

== Your free 1-year HighBeam Research account is ready ==

Good news! You are approved for access to 80 million articles in 6500 publications through [[HighBeam Research]].
* Account activation codes have been emailed.
* To activate your account: 1) Go to [http://www.highbeam.com/prof1 http://www.highbeam.com/prof1]
* The 1-year, free period begins once you enter the code.
* If you need assistance, email "help at highbeam dot com", and include "HighBeam/Wikipedia" in the subject line. Or go to [[WP:HighBeam/Support]], or ask [[User:Ocaasi]]. Please, per HighBeam's request, do not call the toll-free number for assistance with registration.
* A quick reminder about using the account: 1) try it out; 2) provide original citation information, in addition to linking to a HighBeam article; 3) avoid bare links to non-free HighBeam pages; 4) note "(subscription required)" in the citation, where appropriate. Examples are at [[WP:HighBeam/Citations]].
* HighBeam would love to hear feedback at [[WP:HighBeam/Experiences]]
* Show off your HighBeam access by placing <nowiki>{{User:Ocaasi/highbeam_userbox}}</nowiki> on your userpage
* When the 1-year period is up, check the [[WP:HighBeam/Applications|applications page]] to see if renewal is possible. We hope it will be.
Thanks for helping make Wikipedia better. Enjoy your research! Cheers, [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]] [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]] 04:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

==Orphaned non-free image File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg==
'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|⚠|link=]]''' Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).

Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in the [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#F5|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]]) 09:22, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

==[[:Category:Jewish film and theatre]]==
As you commented on this category at the previous discussion, please see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 17#Category:Jewish film and theatre (no. 2)]] which I have raised afresh at the suggestion of [[user:IZAK]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 07:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

==Notification of [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement]] filing==
Shuki, as I believe your comment on my talk page violates the topic ban to which you are subject, I have filed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&diff=503701541&oldid=503267313 a request] at [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement]] for review of the matter. I will refrain from myself imposing any administrative sanctions in the matter, since your post was directly questioning my judgment, and I do not believe it would be appropriate for me to unilaterally act in such a case. You may post a statement defending yourself, and since the AE thread directly accuses you of violating your topic ban, defending yourself ''will not'' be construed as a violation of your topic ban. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Balance icon.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] To enforce an [[WP:Arbitration|arbitration]] decision, you have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 week'''. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks#Arbitration enforcement blocks|guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks]] and follow the instructions there to appeal your block. <hr/>'''Notice to administrators:''' In a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=349940199#Motions_regarding_Trusilver_and_Arbitration_Enforcement March 2010 decision], the Committee held that "Administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]]). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification|proper page]]. Any administrator that overturns an enforcement action outside of these circumstances shall be subject to appropriate sanctions, up to and including desysopping, at the discretion of the Committee."</div> [[User:Heimstern|Heimstern Läufer]] [[User talk:Heimstern|(talk)]] 16:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

==[[:Category:Radio stations in Israel]]==
I suppose I should fix it myself but I'm not an experienced Wikipedia user/editor. Your edits to [[List of radio stations in Israel]] weren't done properly - you added (thank you!) Kol Chai and Kol Berama into the section for stations operated by the IBA instead of the section for commercial stations. (There may be other entries which are similarly wrong but I noticed yours).

==Disambiguation link notification for October 15==

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Israeli legislative election, 2013]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Ya'akov Katz]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Israeli_legislative_election%2C_2013|check to confirm]] | [[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Israeli_legislative_election%2C_2013|fix with Dab solver]]). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 11:14, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== Topic ban ==

Revert yourself or Ill file an enforcement request. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 21:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

:My topic ban is with regard to I-P, to which the Golan does not apply. I have edited Golan articles in the past topic bans as well. Thank you for caring. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::Your topic ban is "'''banned from all articles''', discussions, and other content related to the '''Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed''' across all namespaces" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitration%2FPalestine-Israel_articles&diff=485920582&oldid=485512797]. So its not only articles about I-P conflict , but also Syrian-Israeli conflict. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 00:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::You are right and thank you for clearing that up! Thank you for caring and not losing your watchful eye. Sorry to see you have not changed your aggressive attitude even for a simple realignment of an image. I would give you a barnstar but that would probably violate my topic ban. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== November 2012 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Balance icon.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] To enforce an [[WP:Arbitration|arbitration]] decision, you have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 year'''. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks#Arbitration enforcement blocks|guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks]] and follow the instructions there to appeal your block. [[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC) <hr/>'''Notice to administrators:''' In a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=349940199#Motions_regarding_Trusilver_and_Arbitration_Enforcement March 2010 decision], the Committee held that "Administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]]). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification|proper page]]. Any administrator that overturns an enforcement action outside of these circumstances shall be subject to appropriate sanctions, up to and including desysopping, at the discretion of the Committee."</div>
*[[User:Nableezy]] point out that your series of edits reveverted your intial changes. I failed to see that. I have unblocked you, and I sincerely apologize for my error.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I've updated the Ron Nachman page. I'm sure that this technically violates the ban but hope that editors and admins will understand the insertion of this and finalized personal neutral information later. Thanks. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

== 2013 election ==

See [[Talk:Israeli_legislative_election,_2013#Table_width|here]] for discussion needing input.--[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 20:39, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Eliezer Igra]] ==

Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biography of a living person]]: '''[[Eliezer Igra]]'''. The community has decided that all new biographies of living persons must contain a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article as per our [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiability policy]]. Please add [[WP:REF|references]] as soon as possible. Thanks! --[[User:LaraBot|LaraBot]] ([[User talk:LaraBot|talk]]) 00:11, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks bot, the article has been expanded.--[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 19:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
== Files missing description details ==

<div style="padding:5px; background-color:#E1F1DE;">'''Dear uploader:''' The media files you uploaded as:
*[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg]]
*[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank2.jpg]]
are missing a description and/or other details on their image description pages. If possible, please add this information. This will help other editors make better use of the images, and they will be more informative to readers.

If the information is not provided, the images may eventually be proposed for [[Wikipedia:Guide to image deletion|deletion]],
a situation which is not desirable, and which can easily be avoided.

If you have any questions, please see [[Help:Image page#Description of the image|Help:Image page]]. Thank you. [[User:Theo's Little Bot|Theo's Little Bot]] ([[User:Theo's Little Bot#Tasks|error?]]) 09:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC) </div>

== Talkback: you've got messages! ==

{{Talkback|User_talk:Theo's_Little_Bot|images|ts=by [[User:Theopolisme|Theopolisme]] at 22:49, 14 April 2013 (UTC)}}

== [[Shomer Masoret]] ==

Hi, I know that you are a good writer on Israeli topics, and would like to ask you, [[Shomer Masoret]] is my own work which i'm not satisfied with (Especially the content in context of form of translation as not being a native English speaker etc.). It's an important Israeli topic (39% of Israeli define themselves "Shomer Masoret"/Masorti", though it's not a movement, but rather a "Self Description" phenomenon). Can you help improve this article ? or can you recommend any user who is knowledgeable on [[Mizrahi]]/relgious topics in Israel? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 14:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:Legitimate article. Please add some references, I will try to edit in the next few days. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you :-) --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 07:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

What's up with editing the article [[Shomer Masoret]] ? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 18:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[David Lau]] ==


Hello, Shuki. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, [[David Lau]], for deletion because it's a [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biography of a living person]] that lacks references. If you don't want David Lau to be deleted, please [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|add a reference]] to the article.

If you don't understand this message, you can leave a note on [[User_talk:Ghostboy1997|my talk page]].

Thanks, [[User:Ghostboy1997|Ghostboy1997]] ([[User talk:Ghostboy1997|talk]]) 02:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
:are u kidding me? he was elected [[Chief Rabbi of Israel]]. i don't think it's so hard to find references online. instead of delete this article who clearly have to be, find the information there. [[User:TZivyA|TZivyA]] ([[User talk:TZivyA|talk]]) 23:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== Would you like to expand [[Four Mothers (movement)]]? ==

hi shuki, would you be intrested in helping expand [[Four Mothers (movement)]]? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 11:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:Sorry. I don't have enough information on this group. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

== Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter ==

<div style="border: 2px dashed #ADC2E4; margin: 1px; padding: 1em 2% 1em">
<center><big><big><big>'''''[[Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/October2013|Books and Bytes]]'''''</big>
Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013
[[File:Eurasian_Eagle-Owl_Maurice_van_Bruggen.JPG|100px]]
by {{user|The Interior}}, {{user|Ocaasi}}</center>
<big>'''Greetings [[WP:TWL|Wikipedia Library]] members!'''</big> Welcome to the inaugural edition of ''Books and Bytes'', TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of ''Books and Bytes'', please add your name to [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/Recipients|the subscriber's list]]. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved...
'''New positions:''' Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, or a Volunteer Wikipedia Librarian
'''Wikipedia Loves Libraries:''' Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted.
'''New subscription donations:''' Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis??
'''New ideas:''' OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges
'''News from the library world:''' Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY
'''Announcing WikiProject Open:''' WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions
'''New ways to get involved:''' Visiting scholar requirements; subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration 
<big>[[Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/October2013|Read the full newsletter]]</big> 
''Thanks for reading! All future newsletters will be '''opt-in''' only. Have an item for the next issue? Leave a note for the editor on the [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/Suggestions|Suggestions page]]. --[[User:The Interior|The Interior]] 21:22, 27 October 2013 (UTC)''
</div>


== Topic ban (2) ==

You need to stop making those edits, per your topic ban. Thanks. [[User:Nomoskedasticity|Nomoskedasticity]] ([[User talk:Nomoskedasticity|talk]]) 20:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:My topic ban is pertaining to the IP articles, not political parties. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:09, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::Your topic ban is to the Arab-Israeli conflict. If you think [[Neo-Zionism]] is not pertinent to the Arab-Israeli conflict, well that's just odd. And surely not plausible, say for example at AE. [[User:Nomoskedasticity|Nomoskedasticity]] ([[User talk:Nomoskedasticity|talk]]) 20:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::You just reverted me without reading anything.
:::The parties that are categorized are described as Neo-Zionists is the article Neo-Zionist and this is sourced. For some articles it was even mentionned in the article itself.
:::Neo-Zionism movement rejects the idea of a Palestinian State and consider Eretz-Israel comprises (at minimum) the totality of former Mandate Palestine. This is therefore a topic that is linked to the I-P conflict.
:::If you don't self-revert, I assume that you will be blocked.
:::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 20:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::::You're dragging me into the specific area that I am not allowed to edit in, and that was not my intention at all. You might notice that I have respected the TBAN over the past year and have no intention of breaking it. As per the reverts, gimme some time, I will return with the permission I received from admin about this. If I am mistaken, I can make the reverts. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:24, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Hello,
:::::I didn't "drag" you anywhere. I even never met you. You jumped there alone.
:::::Anyway, there is no hurry and I don't see any issue if you discuss this with admins as long as you take care of your actions, discuss in talk pages and don't transform these articles in a WP:BATTLEGROUND for ideological reasons.
:::::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 20:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Reverted all the articles I had edited today. I don't have time to get into that. Eventually, will probably will issue an appeal to AE, but would like to continue the WP vacation this TBAN has afforded a bit longer. I remember now what a battleground you guys still think this is and thank you too for watching out for me. Pluto, I think I know who you were. Please be careful. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:41, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I formerly edited wikipedia under the account "ceedjee".
:::::::What are your concerns with the fact to create the category "Neo-Zionism" and to add there the political parties and movements as well as some people who adhere to this philosophy ?
:::::::You asked for WP:RS for this but :
:::::::* most are referred as such (with sources) on the article [[Neo-Zionism]].
:::::::* have in mind that scholars share the spectrum in 3 parts : Zionists, Post-Zionists and Neo-Zionists. Each party should be somewhere in one of these third. (There are few Anti-Zionist parties in Israel, if any).
:::::::If you give precise concerns for one given article (one at at time), I don't mind discussing this with you.
:::::::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 06:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:I can't discuss that issue with you because the pro-___ warriors will chew me out like they did the rest. FWIW, in general of course, it is OR to label / cat articles about people and organizations that are not labeled with that term widely, and perhaps by one or only a few writers, if they are mentioned specifically. ANd it is OR to construe by their minority definition of a term and then place it on everything that might then fit the definition, even if it was never mentioned explicitly, or even existed at the time of the author's mention. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 16:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
::I agree with your analysis.
::But sincerely, I don't think we are on the wrong side of the red line.
::* The reference that I used for the political parties is [[Anita Shapira]] and 2 other scholars. These are not Post-Zionists (ideological adversaries of Neo-Zionists) and these are not just journalists but academics who specialized on the Israeli society.
::* For Im Titzu, they describe themselves as such on their website and other do so too.
::* There was already a category named "Kahanism" (much more discussable from my point of view) that I englobed in this one.
::* The only litiguous case that I see is that I extended the category a little bit to cases without trying to find sources but as a consequence I restricted myself to cases where, if I don't check for sources, it cannot be denied they concern Neo-Zionism (ex. [[Professors for a Strong Israel]], [[Aryeh Eldad]], [[Movement for Greater Israel]]...). I don't think it is WP:OR. It is rather a case of "reference needed" at worse. And if somebody disagrees, I will just ask me to chose a better option between : Anti-Zionism, Post-Zionism, Secular Zionism or Zionism...
::NB: I am sorry for your topic ban. The I-P arena is really unpleasant and "staying <s>alive</s>" unbanned is a miracle. I you fear that this discussion could cause you trouble or tire you, there is no need to go on this right now. [[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 17:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

== The Wikipedia Library Survey ==

As a subscriber to one of [[WP:TWL|The Wikipedia Library]]'s programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this [https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_23JuoVF5e7dgDl3 '''brief survey.'''] Thanks and cheers, [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]] [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]] 15:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


{{YGM|sig=[[User:Atefrat|@Efrat]] ([[User talk:Atefrat|talk]]) 06:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC)}}
: Sorry, I must have missed that. Please resend if still relevant. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:35, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== CfD nomination of [[:Category:{{ucfirst:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|40px|left]]
'''[[:Category:{{ucfirst:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}]]''' has been nominated for {{#ifeq:|yes|deletion|{{#ifeq:|yes|merging|{{#ifeq:|yes|renaming|deletion, merging, or renaming}}}}}}. You are encouraged to join the '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion{{#if:2014 April 8|/Log/2014 April 8}}#{{#if:1917 in the Palestinian territories|1917 in the Palestinian territories|Category:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}|discussion]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|Categories for discussion]] page. [[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 17:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know. I have an opinion on this but I have yet to bother to appeal the TBAN that I'd be violating to comment there. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

== Your topic ban ==
*[[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_1#Category:Holy_Land_during_Byzantine_rule]]
As you note in the thread directly above, you shouldn't have commented in this discussion. As such, your comments were not considered in the closure.

I strongly encourage you to not do this again, as another admin might have sanctioned you rather than merely giving this warning, based upon your past history, for example.

If you have any concerns about this message, feel free to start a thread at [[WP:AN], where I welcome community review of my words here. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:Thank you for watching out. My topic ban is not for Israeli history issues, so I suggest you first describe here how you justified this judge-jury decision without approaching me in good faith. Per AGF, my 'past history' is over a year ago and I expect a bit more consideration. If I take it to ANI, is it technically possible to regenerate the comment for ANI (not the cat discussion that is closed)? It seems to have been deleted and not in my contribution history either. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 22:33, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Yigal Amir

2014-04-09T22:47:12Z

Shuki: ABC

{{Infobox criminal
| name = Yigal Amir
| birth_date = {{Birth date and age|1970|5|23}}
| birth_place = [[Herzliya]], [[Israel]]
| death_date =
| death_place =
| charge = [[Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin]]
| conviction = [[Murder]], [[Conspiracy (crime)|conspiracy to murder]], and [[Aggravation (legal concept)|aggravated]] [[injury]]
| conviction_penalty = [[Life imprisonment|Life]] + 14 years
| conviction_status = [[Convict|Prisoner]]
| occupation =
| spouse = [[Larisa Trembovler]]
| parents = Shlomo and Geula Amir
| children = Yinon Amir
| religion = [[Judaism]]
}}
'''Yigal Amir''' ({{lang-he|יגאל עמיר}}, born May 23, 1970) is an [[Israeli Jew]] who [[assassinated]] the [[Prime Minister of Israel]] [[Yitzhak Rabin]]. The assassination took place on November 4, 1995 at the conclusion of a [[Demonstration (people)|rally]] in [[Tel Aviv]]. Amir is serving a [[life sentence]] for [[murder]] plus six years for injuring Rabin's [[bodyguard]], Yoram Rubin, under [[Aggravation (legal concept)|aggravating]] circumstances.<ref name="haaretz.com">[http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/this-week-in-haaretz-1996-rabin-s-assassin-gets-life-in-prison-1.353211 Rabin's assassin gets life in prison, [[Haaretz]]]</ref> He was later sentenced to an additional 8 years for conspiracy to murder.

== Early life ==
Yigal Amir was born in [[Herzliya]] to a religious [[Yemenite Jews|Yemenite Jewish]] family, one of eight children. His father, Shlomo, was a [[sofer]], and held a post supervising the [[kosher]] slaughtering of chickens. He also taught [[Shabbat]] lessons at a local [[synagogue]]. His mother, Geula, was a kindergarten teacher and ran a nursery school in family home's backyard. Yigal Amir attended a [[Haredi Judaism|Haredi]] elementary school in Herzliya and a high school [[yeshiva]] in [[Tel Aviv]]. He did his military service in the [[Israel Defense Forces]] as a ''[[Hesder]]'' student, combining army service in a religious platoon of the [[Golani Brigade]] with religious study at ''[[Yeshivat Kerem B'Yavneh]]''. Despite being in a religious unit, even his comrades considered him a religious fanatic.<ref name=son>{{cite news| url=http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/19/world/son-israel-rabin-s-assassin-special-report-belief-blood-making-rabin-s-killer.html | work=The New York Times | first=John | last=Kifner | title=A SON OF ISRAEL: Rabin's Assassin -- A special report.;Belief to Blood: The Making of Rabin's Killer | date=November 19, 1995}}</ref>

Following his military service, Amir was nominated by the religious-[[Zionism|Zionist]] youth movement [[Bnei Akiva]] to teach Judaism in [[Riga]], [[Latvia]], as part of [[Nativ]].<ref name=son/>

In 1993, Amir began studying at [[Bar-Ilan University]] as part of its [[kollel]] program, mixing religious and secular studies. Amir studied [[law]] and [[computer science]], as well as Jewish law at the Institute for Advanced Torah Studies.<ref name=son/><ref>{{cite news | first = Alan | last = Cowell | authorlink = Alan Cowell | url = http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/10/world/assassination-israel-inquiry-2-more-held-rabin-slaying-israeli-police-see.html?pagewanted=2|title= ASSASSINATION IN ISRAEL: THE INQUIRY; 2 More Held in Rabin Slaying; Israeli Police See a Conspiracy | date = November 10, 1995 | accessdate = April 26, 2009 | work = [[The New York Times]]| quote = He was a law and computer science student at Bar-Ilan University, as well as a seminary student.}}</ref> Amir was heavily opposed to the [[Oslo Accords]]. He participated in protest rallies against the accords on campus, was active in organizing weekend bus outings to support [[Israeli settlement|Israeli settlers]], and helped found an illegal settlement outpost. He was especially active in [[Hebron]], where he led marches through the streets.<ref name=son/><ref>{{Cite news| first1 = Eitan | last1 = Rabin | first2 = Yossi | last2 = Hatuni |first3 = Reuven | last3 = Shapira | first4 = Yossi | last4 = Melman | authorlink4 = Yossi Melman| title = שמו של יגאל עמור הועבר לשב"כ כמה שבועות לפני רצח רבין (The name of Yigal Amir was forwarded to the GSS a few weeks before the murder of Yitzhak Rabin) |language = Hebrew | work = [[Haaretz]] | date = November 20, 1995 | accessdate= April 26, 2009}}</ref>

During his years as an activist, Amir became friendly with [[Avishai Raviv]], to whom he revealed his plan to kill Rabin. While Raviv posed as a right-wing radical, he was working for [[Shin Bet]], the Israeli internal security service, and was part of a mission to encourage and fabricate the activities of right-wing extremists so they could be publicly discredited.<ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/26/world/ex-undercover-agent-charged-as-a-link-in-rabin-killing.html | work=The New York Times | title=Ex-Undercover Agent Charged as a Link in Rabin Killing | date=April 26, 1999}}</ref>

In 1994, during his university studies, Amir met and began a relationship with Nava Holtzman, a law student from a religious [[Ashkenazi Jews|Ashkenazi]] family. In January 1995, after five months, Holtzman ended the relationship after her parents objected due to Amir's [[Mizrahi Jews|Mizrahi]] background.<ref name=son/> She married one of his friends soon afterwards. Amir, who attended the wedding, went into a deep depression.

== Assassination ==
[[Image:Kikar rabin.jpg|thumb|The monument at the site of the assassination: [[Ibn Gabirol Street]], between Tel Aviv City Hall and Gan Ha'ir]]
{{main|Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin}}

On November 4, 1995, after a demonstration in Tel Aviv's [[Rabin Square|Kings of Israel Square]] (now Rabin Square) in support of the Oslo Accords, Amir waited for Rabin in a parking lot adjacent to the square, close to Rabin's official limousine. There he shot Rabin twice with a [[Beretta Cheetah|Beretta 84F]] [[.380 ACP]] caliber semi-automatic pistol and injured [[Yoram Rubin]], a security guard, with a third shot. Amir was immediately seized by Rabin's bodyguards. Rabin was rushed to [[Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center]] where he died on an operating table 40 minutes later of blood loss and a punctured lung. According to the court, Yigal Amir's brother, [[Hagai Amir|Hagai]], and his friend [[Dror Adani]], were his accomplices in the assassination plan.

Upon hearing that Yitzhak Rabin was dead, Amir told the police he was "satisfied."<ref name="cnn.com">{{cite news|url= http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9511/rabin/amir/index.html|title='I have no regrets' Law student confesses to killing Rabin|date=November 5, 1995|accessdate=April 26, 2009|work=CNN World News|quote=The man who confessed that he shot and killed Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin told police Sunday that he was "satisfied." Yigal Amir told police that he had "no regrets" and was acting on the "orders of God."}}</ref> At his trial Amir said he did not care if the outcome was death or paralysis as long as Rabin was "out of the way." He expressed no regret for his actions.<ref name="haaretz.com"/>

===Failed attempts===
The assassination was preceded by three unsuccessful attempts that same year: at [[Yad Vashem]] in [[Jerusalem]], at the Nof Yerushalayim Hotel and a ceremony inaugurating a highway in [[Kfar Shmaryahu]].<ref name="haaretz.com"/> These plans fell through moments before implementation.<ref>{{cite news|title=A Trial, a Tape and a Warning in the Rabin Murder Case|first=Serge|last=Schmemann|date=December 20, 1995|accessdate=April 26, 2009|url=http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/20/world/a-trial-a-tape-and-a-warning-in-the-rabin-murder-case.html|work=The New York Times|quote=Judge Levy then had a copy of the indictment handed to Amir and read the charges, detailing how Amir had tried to kill the Prime Minister twice before, and how he achieved his goal on the night of November 4. At one point, as the judge described how Amir and his brother had considered pumping nitroglycerine into the Prime Minister's water pipes and setting off an explosion, the defendant appeared to stifle a laugh with his hand.}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|first=Serge|last=Schmemann|title=Rabin's Killer Charged With Murder, 2 Others With Conspiracy|work=[[The New York Times]]|date=December 6, 1995|accessdate=April 26, 2009|url=http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/06/world/rabin-s-killer-charged-with-murder-2-others-with-conspiracy.html|quote=The Amirs and Dror Adani] had considered a variety of ways to kill Rabin, including putting [[nitroglycerine]] into the plumbing of his house and setting it off, planting a [[car bomb|bomb in his car]], shooting a [[missile]] at his home or at his car, or approaching him with a camouflaged gun. Amir had made two earlier attempts to approach Mr. Rabin with a handgun, but failed both times.}}</ref>

==Trial==
The trial lasted from January 23 to March 27, 1996. Amir was defended by two court-appointed attorneys, Gabi Shachar and Shmuel Flishman, in addition to Yonatan Ray Goldberg and Mordechai Ofri, who represented him earlier in the trial. The judges ordered a mental examination by three district psychiatrists and a clinical psychiatrist who all agreed that Amir understood the meaning of his actions and was fit to stand trial.<ref name="haaretz.com"/>

Despite attempts to defend his actions on religious grounds, Amir was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment plus six additional years in prison for injuring the bodyguard. In the verdict, the three judges wrote:
<blockquote>Every murder is an abominable act, but the act before us is more abominable sevenfold, because not only has the accused not expressed regret or sorrow, but he also seeks to show that he is at peace with himself over the act that he perpetrated. He who so calmly cuts short another's life, only proves the depth of wretchedness to which [his] values have fallen, and thus he does not merit any regard whatsoever, except pity, because he has lost his humanity.<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1990_1999/1996/3/Excerpts%20of%20Yigal%20Amir%20Sentencing%20Decision%20-%20March | title = Excerpts of Yigal Amir Sentencing Decision | date = March 27, 1996 | work = mfa.gov.il | quote = Following are excerpts of the sentencing decision which was rendered today (Wednesday), 27.03.96, by a three-judge panel of the Tel Aviv-Jaffa District Court in the case of the State of Israel vs. Yigal Amir (the panel was composed of Presiding Judge Edmund A. Levy, Judge Saviyona Rotlevy, and Judge Oded Mudrich: ...}}</ref></blockquote>

Amir's action was condemned by Bar-Ilan University. A professor of Talmud at the university, [[Daniel Sperber]], said that this act "in no way represents the university or the policy of the university."<ref>[http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=99018&sectioncode=26 Murder taints 'tolerant' campus]</ref>

Amir's claim that he was acting in accordance with Jewish law was rejected: "The attempt to grant religious authority to the murder...is completely inappropriate and amounts to cynical exploitation of Jewish law for goals that are alien to Judaism.<ref name="haaretz.com"/>

Amir was later sentenced to an additional five years, and after an [[appeal]] on behalf of the state, eight years, for [[conspiracy (crime)|conspiring]] to commit the assassination with his brother Hagai Amir and Dror Adani. All of the sentences were cumulative. In Israel, a sentence of life imprisonment is usually reduced to a period of 20–30 years by the president, with the possibility of further reduction for good behavior. However, President [[Moshe Katsav]] did not reduce the sentence, saying that there is "no forgiveness, no absolution and no pardon" for Yigal Amir.<ref>{{cite news| first = Greer | last = Fay Cashman | title = Katsav: No pardon for Rabin's assassin | work = [[Jerusalem Post]] | page = 3 | format = full access requires payment | date = Nov 4, 2005| accessdate = April 25, 2009 | url = http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/access/929796621.html?dids=929796621:929796621&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Nov+04,+2005 | quote=President [[Moshe Katsav]] declared on Thursday that there was "no forgiveness, no absolution and no pardon" for Yigal Amir, the assassin of prime minister Yitzhak Rabin. Katsav said Amir "has no right to clemency," adding that there was no reason to feel pity for him. Katsav said he would recommend to the next president not to allow the subject of a reduced sentence for Amir to come up for consideration.}}</ref> Present Israeli Prime Minister [[Benyamin Netanyahu]] and former Prime Minister [[Ehud Olmert]] have also said that Yigal Amir will never be released from prison.<ref>{{cite news | url = http://fr.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378313865&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull | title = Olmert: Yigal Amir will never go free | first = Sheera Claire | last = Frenkel | date = November 2, 2006 | accessdate = April 26, 2009 | work = [[The Jerusalem Post]] | quote = "... According to law, the murderer of the prime minister cannot ever go free – and it is impossible to grant him clemency, not now and not in the future," said [[Ehud Olmert|Olmert]] of the survey, taken last week, during his remarks at a special Knesset session to mark the 11th anniversary of the Rabin assassination. [...] Olmert's position was echoed by opposition leader [[Binjamin Netanyahu]] and Knesset Speaker [[Dalia Itzik]], both of whom stressed that Amir never be allowed to walk free.}}</ref>

On 19 December 2001, the Knesset by majority of 62 members approved the Yigal Amir Law, which prohibits a parole board from recommending pardon or shortening time in prison of a murderer of a Prime Minister. In the discussion that ensued, it was hoped the law would prevent another political murder.

== Prison conditions ==
Amir was held in [[solitary confinement]] in [[Beersheba]]'s Eshel Prison and moved in 2003 to the Ayalon Prison in [[Ramla]]. In 2006, he was transferred to Rimonim Prison near [[Netanya]]. He was also granted the privileges of having no surveillance cameras in his cell, the right to receive visitors in the visiting room rather than in his cell, and the right to speak with other prisoners.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3337447,00.html |title=Yigal Amir transfers jails, now without video surveillance in cell |publisher=Ynetnews |date=1995-06-20 |accessdate=2012-11-25}}</ref> Amir was interviewed by the Israeli press in 2008 but the planned broadcast was controversial and subsequently cancelled. As punishment for giving the interview Amir was moved to Ramon Prison and had a number of privileges withdrawn, including the removal of his TV and DVD player and the refusal of family visits; Amir went on a hunger strike in protest.<ref>{{cite news | url = http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3630967,00.html | title = Rabin murderer on hunger strike | work = [[Yediot Ahronot]] | first = Raanan | last = Ben-Zur | date = 2008-11-30 | agency = Israel News | quote = Yigal Amir, the assassin of late prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, began a hunger strike on Sunday in protest of his punishments for giving unauthorized interviews to the media in late October. [...] Following a public outcry, the television stations decided to archive the interview with Amir at this time without airing it.}}</ref> In February 2010, the [[Nazareth]] District Court permitted the ''[[Ynet]]'' internet news service to interview Amir.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3844618,00.html |title=Yigal Amir: I'm not a security threat |publisher=Ynetnews |date=1995-06-20 |accessdate=2012-11-25}}</ref>

In July 2010, after 15 years of solitary confinement, Amir appealed to the [[Petah Tikva]] District Court to be permitted to participate in group prayers in accordance to Jewish law. He claimed that the terms of his imprisonment were worse than any other prisoner in the history of the State of Israel, on the grounds that no other prisoner had been in solitary for this amount of time. He said that failure to allow him to pray in synagogue would be a violation of his right to freedom of worship.<ref>[http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138781 Israel National News July 26, 2010]</ref> In August 2010, the court ruled that Amir would be allowed to meet another prisoner for prayer three times a week, and that he would be allowed to study [[Torah]] with another prisoner once every two weeks.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4115683,00.html |title=Yigal Amir to have a study partner in prison |publisher=Ynetnews |date=1995-06-20 |accessdate=2012-11-25}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-44128006,00.html |title= |publisher=Ynetnews |date= |accessdate=2012-11-25}}</ref>

In July 2012, it was announced that Amir would be released from solitary confinement. Under his new prison conditions, he will be allowed to watch television and use a phone more frequently. Though he will not be moved to an open cell block, where prisoners are allowed to spend most of the day outside their cells, he will be allowed to meet other prisoners during his two hours' exercise in the prison yard.<ref>{{cite news|last=Rosenberg |first=Oz |url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/rabin-assassin-to-be-jailed-with-others-for-first-time-since-his-incarceration-1.448640 |title=Rabin assassin moved from solitary confinement for first time since arrest |publisher=Haaretz |date=2012-07-04 |accessdate=2012-11-25}}</ref>

== Campaigns for Amir's release ==
Amir's appeals of both sentences were rejected. Subsequently, a law was passed by the [[Knesset]] barring the [[pardon]] by the [[President of Israel]] for any assassin of a prime minister. Amir has never expressed regret for his actions.<ref name="cnn.com"/> Since 2007, the Amir family and the "Committee for Democracy" campaigned to release Yigal and Hagai Amir. The campaign includes statements for the media, stickers, posters and short films.

From time to time radical Israeli right-wing organizations carry out campaigns (via posters or videos) which call for the release of Yigal Amir and his brother Hagai. A campaign such as that was held in October 2007 in which the prominent Israeli singer [[Ariel Zilber]] also participated. In response to this campaign the Israeli Internal Security Minister [[Avi Dichter]] stated: "This man is in the closest status a person can be to a death sentence" and also added that "A reduction of his sentence is impossible and illogical, and it will surely accompany him until he would pass away".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3463023,00.html |title=ynet דיכטר: יגאל עמיר משול למומיה בכלא - חדשות |publisher=Ynet |date=1995-06-20 |accessdate=2012-11-25}}</ref>

==Personal life==
===Larisa Trembovler===
{{main|Larisa Trembovler}}
Larisa Trembovler was born in [[Russia]]. She has a [[Doctor of Philosophy|Ph.D.]] in [[philosophy]]. She has published a novel in Russian (''A Mirror for a Prince'') and is an [[Orthodox Judaism|Orthodox Jew]]. She met Amir in Latvia, where he was teaching [[Judaism]]. After her [[Aliyah|immigration to Israel]], she visited Amir with her husband, Benjamin (with whom she has four children), for humanitarian reasons. She expressed ideological support for Amir, and they began to correspond and speak on the phone. She divorced her husband in 2003.<ref>[http://marriage.about.com/od/infamous/p/yigalamir.htm Yigal Amir and Larisa Trembovler]</ref>

Trembovler announced that she was engaged to Amir and wanted to marry him while he was in jail. In January 2004, after their request was filed, the Israel Prisons Service declared it would not permit the marriage. In April 2004, the matter was brought before the [[Tel Aviv]] District Court. At the time, the Prisons Commissioner instructed his legal aides to defend the decision based on security considerations. But Amir's lawyers said this claim violated their [[Prisoners' rights|client's basic rights]] and would not hold up in court. They noted that several [[Palestinians]] serving multiple life terms for [[Palestinian terrorism|crimes such as murder]] have been permitted to marry in prison. Legal analysts have said the Supreme Court would likely uphold any appeal by Amir's [[lawyer]], unless specific [[legislation]] is enacted prohibiting him from marrying. In August 2004, Trembovler and Amir were wed in a surreptitious [[proxy marriage]]. Under Jewish law, a prospective husband can grant a form of "[[power of attorney]]" to a chosen representative, who can then transfer a [[wedding ring]], or something of similar value, to the prospective wife. In July 2005 their marriage was validated by an Israeli [[Beth din|rabbinical court]]. Trembovler submitted a petition after the Interior Ministry refused to register she and Amir as a married couple. Israel's Justice Ministry defined Amir's marriage as "problematic" because according to a past ruling, a marriage ceremony not conducted in the presence of a rabbi from the Chief Rabbinate is unrecognized.<ref>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/679037.html</ref>

====Conjugal visits and artificial insemination====
On February 6, 2006, ''[[Haaretz]]'' reported that Attorney General [[Menachem Mazuz]] had ordered the Interior Ministry to register Amir and Trimbovler as a married couple. They then filed requests with the Prison Authority and petitions to court to enable them to hold [[conjugal visit]]s or conceive a child through [[artificial insemination]].<ref>[http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040908-051949-6957r.htm "PM Rabin's murderer seeks conjugal rights"], [[Washington Times]] September 8, 2004</ref>

In March 2006 the Israeli Prison Service approved Amir's petition for [[in vitro fertilization]]. The service was to study how this process would be conducted without Amir leaving the prison. A week later, Amir was caught handing a pre-prepared bag of semen to his wife and the visit was terminated.<ref>[http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/692310.html Portail d'informations]</ref><ref>[http://fr.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395571603&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull Yigal Amir caught sneaking sperm | Jerusalem Post]</ref> After the incident a disciplinary tribunal barred visits from his wife for 30 days and phone calls for 14 days.<ref>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/693214.html</ref> He was fined NIS 100 (then US$21). When the treatments were withheld due to a petition by several members of Knesset, Yigal Amir refused to eat. After being warned that hunger strikes are in violation of prison regulations, some of his privileges were canceled.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://fr.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961238217&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull|title=Yigal Amir refused fertilization; refuses food|work=The Jerusalem Post}}</ref> The IVF treatments were stopped after several members of the [[Knesset]] submitted a petition. Amir responded by going on hunger strike.

Up until October 20, 2006, the [[Shin Bet]] security service had opposed unsupervised visits.<ref>[http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/778758.html Rabin killer Amir to begin conjugal visit] (Haaretz)</ref> Four days later, Amir was allowed a 10-hour-long [[conjugal visit]]. Five months later it was reported that Trembovler was pregnant.<ref>[http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/rabin-assassin-to-be-father/2007/03/13/1173722427027.html Rabin assassin to be father] ''The Sydney Morning Herald''</ref> On October 28, 2007, she gave birth to a son, who was named Yinon Eliya Shalom. The [[brit milah]] was held in prison on November 4, 2007, the 12th anniversary of Rabin's assassination.<ref>Vered Luvitch [http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3466658,00.html Amir brit to be held in prison] ''Ynet News'' November 1, 2011</ref>

==In popular culture==
In [[Motti Lerner]]'s play ''The Murder of Isaac'', Yigal Amir tells Rabin, "Don’t forget that you’re an Isaac, too".

==References==
{{reflist|33em}}

==External links==
*[http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1990_1999/1996/3/Excerpts%20of%20Yigal%20Amir%20Sentencing%20Decision%20-%20March Excerpts of the State of Israel vs. Yigal Amir, March 27, 1996]
*{{he icon}} [http://elyon1.court.gov.il/files/99/720/031/a04/99031720.a04.HTM Yigal Amir vs. the Prison Authority] at the Supreme Court of Justice, August 8, 1999
*{{he icon}} [http://elyon1.court.gov.il/files/96/190/080/f01/96080190.f01.HTM Yigal Amir, Hagai Amir and Dror Adani vs. the State of Israel] at the Supreme Court, August 29, 1999
*{{he icon}} [http://elyon1.court.gov.il/files/04/140/047/g10/04047140.g10.HTM Yigal Amir vs. the Prison Authority] at the Supreme Court of Justice, November 8, 2004
* [http://www.nndb.com/people/560/000164068/ Yigal Amir] at NNDB

==Further reading==
*''Women Who Love Men Who Kill'' by Sheila Isenberg, Paperback

{{Persondata 
| NAME = Amir, Yigal
| ALTERNATIVE NAMES =
| SHORT DESCRIPTION = Israeli murderer
| DATE OF BIRTH = May 23, 1970
| PLACE OF BIRTH = [[Herzliya]], [[Israel]]
| DATE OF DEATH =
| PLACE OF DEATH =
}}
{{DEFAULTSORT:Amir, Yigal}}
[[Category:1970 births]]
[[Category:Living people]]
[[Category:20th-century criminals]]
[[Category:20th-century Sephardi Jews]]
[[Category:21st-century Sephardi Jews]]
[[Category:Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin]]
[[Category:Assassins of heads of government]]
[[Category:Israeli assassins]]
[[Category:Israeli Jews]]
[[Category:Israeli people convicted of murder]]
[[Category:Israeli people of Yemeni-Jewish descent]]
[[Category:Israeli prisoners sentenced to life imprisonment]]
[[Category:Murder in 1995]]
[[Category:People convicted of murder by Israel]]
[[Category:People from Herzliya]]
[[Category:Prisoners sentenced to life imprisonment by Israel]]

User talk:Shuki

2014-04-08T18:37:11Z

Shuki: /* CfD nomination of Category:{{ucfirst:1917 in the Palestinian territories}} */ sorry, can't comment

<div class="usermessage">''Note to posters:'' Let's try to keep [[Wikipedia:Talk_page#How_to_keep_a_two-way_conversation_readable|two-way conversations readable]]. If you post to my talk page, I will just reply here. If I posted recently to another talk page, including your talk page, then that means I have it on my watchlist and will just read responses there. I may also refactor discussions to your talk page for the same reason. Thanks. [[User:Shuki|Shuki]]</div>

==Welcome==

'''Welcome!'''

Hello, {{PAGENAME}}, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
*[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
*[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
*[[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
*[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Tutorial]]
*[[Wikipedia:How to write a great article|How to write a great article]]
*[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Where to ask a question]], ask me on my talk page, or place <code>{{helpme}}</code> on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  And Shalom! [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 08:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


{| class="infobox" width="315px"
|-
! align="center" | [[Image:Vista-file-manager.png|50px|Archive]] [[Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page|Archives]]
----
|-
|
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive1|Archive1]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive2|Archive2]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive3|Archive3]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive4|Archive4]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive5|Archive5]]
# [[User talk:Shuki/Archive6|Archive6]]
#
|}

== חַג חֲנֻכָּה שָׂמֵחַ==

<div style="background:black;border:5px ridge purple;color:gold;font-family:monotype corsiva;font-size:200%">
<center>הַנֵּרוֹת הַלָּלוּ קֹדֶשׁ הֵם</center>
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|left|60px]]
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|right|60px]]<center>
Hi Shuki! Hoping you and yours are
spiritually warmed by the holy lights of
חֲנֻכָּה
Chesdovi 2010</center>
</div>

==[[Talk:James_G._Lindsay]]==
Hi Shuki, I'll really appreciate your comments about my new suggestions. [[User:Nik Sage|Nik Sage]] ([[User talk:Nik Sage|talk]]) 11:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[List of Chabad houses]] for deletion ==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|42px|alt=|link=]]</div>The article '''[[List of Chabad houses]]''' is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Chabad houses]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Frivolous SPI ==

Is there any sanction that can be applied to editors who fish for checkusers with little substantial basis? It seems that there is no real evidence of anything except common editing yet it would seem that anyone is free to come an accuse as well as join the party. If anyone sees this, please add a remark for me on [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shuki|the SPI]]. I hope it is not tempting a followup accusation of meat, yet I think it is only fair for the accused to reply. I make a dumb mistake, and everyone is piling on to join in the Shuki bashing. Thanks. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:I would like to welcome [[User talk:Bulldog123|Bulldog123]] and [[User talk:Betsythedevine|Betsythedevine]] into the ranks of the I-P battleground and thank them for waking me up from a month of WP slumber. I am also as perplexed that with many of the regular I-P editors currently topic banned or interaction banned, they have suddenly shown an sudden uncharacteristic interest in this area, as well as a strong interest [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bulldog123&action=historysubmit&diff=407032840&oldid=406961606 especially with the pro-Israel editors]. Very peculiar... At least Betsy contributes to the project, maybe one day I will understand if Bulldog does anything other than attack and bring antagonism where he goes. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 16:37, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Wikipedia's 10th anniversary ==

[[File:10piece-english-L k.svg|200px]][[File:Wp10 norway logo.jpg|200px]][[File:10piece-hebrew-R k.svg|200px]]

== Question about Beit Yatir / Teaneck relationship ==

Hi. I'm currently investing a brouhaha over an alleged twinning between the town of Teaneck, NJ and the moshav Bet Yatir. As far as I can tell, the only source for the twinning is your unsourced edit at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beit_Yatir&diff=174698486&oldid=174697857

Could you please contact me at larry at jewishmediagroup dot com and let me know what your source was for this edit? Thank you!

[[User:Yudel|Yudel]] ([[User talk:Yudel|talk]]) 20:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

:You could click on the left side 'E-mail this user' as I rarely check here these days, enjoying a blessed WP vacation. I don't recall where I took that from. It seemed plausible. Most people on WP after a few months know that if someone has a problem with any claim, they can stick a template on to request sources and then remove it after a few weeks if nothing shows up. How is that brouhaha going? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

== Well, I hope you are happy ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-03-28/In_the_news]. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 00:58, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know about this. Too bad no one bothered to email me. I would not use the word 'happy', rather 'mildly amused' that some irrational person blew this wildly out of proportion. I just replied to Yudel above what any newbie to WP would do in order to avert a crisis. But this Siegel character, may he see how he has erred and caused strife instead of peace, was apparently looking for confrontation ''demanding that township officials '''publicly renounce''' the connection'' instead of merely doing some investigative footwork to see if Teaneck was even twinned with any other municipality in the first place. I am not surprised why everyone on the city council ignored his requests. The article is actually written okay and reminds me of good old style of investigative journalism you rarely see these days.

*FWIW, I've never been to Teaneck or Beit Yatir and I cannot recall where I got that info. In my early WP days, I would copy information from other WP articles if it seemed plausible and uncontroversial. I definitely noticed that mentions of twin cities in other geo articles never had references, so I did not bother with that section there either.
*FWIW2, if this Siegel character is so interested in being anti-Zionist, than he should not be using or giving credibility to WP which is based on [[PHP]], a programming language which has a strong root in Israel. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 22:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

==Orphaned non-free image File:Nation with the Golan.jpg==
'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|⚠|link=]]''' Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:Nation with the Golan.jpg]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[Wikipedia:Orphan|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:MyContributions|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in the [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.  '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 14:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC) 14:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

== Happy [[Jerusalem Day|Yom Yerusalyim]] to all. ==

[[File:Western wall jerusalem night.jpg|left|thumb|250px]]
'''Jerusalem Day''' ({{lang-he|יום ירושלים}}, ''Yom Yerushalayim'') is an [[Jewish holiday#New Israeli/Jewish national holidays|Israeli national holiday]] commemorating the reunification of [[Jerusalem]] and the establishment of Israeli control over the [[Old City (Jerusalem)|Old City]] in June 1967. The [[Chief Rabbinate of Israel]] declared Jerusalem Day a minor religious holiday to thank God for the [[Six-Day War|6-day]] victory and for answering the 2,000-year-old prayer of "Next Year in Jerusalem".
[[File:Flag of Jerusalem.svg|right|thumb|250px]]

== I need your help ==

I was recently engaged in a somewhat productive talk regarding Ariel (city) with other Wikipedians. I would highly appreciate your help (and the help of everyone who wishes to help us) in better editing the article there in general, while preventing one-sided editing in particular. Can you please visit the Ariel (city) article and help me? [[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 13:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

after my last post (is that the right term, post?) here above. I had the following massege left on my page :"Please do not engage in the sort of canvassing that you have on Shuki's talk page. Also, please note that this editor is currently topic banned and may not participate in such discussions. -asad (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)". i mention it here for two reasons: 1. i disagree with what ASAD is describing as 'canvassing', but clearly you have a much more important opinion in that regard (behing your page and all...) 2. they say that you are 'topic banned' and i wonder if that is true (and how come you were banned). thank you in advance for your much needed (more than ever) help.[[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 15:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
:I hope Shuki will not mind me answering this. He is banned, see [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Log_of_blocks_and_bans|this sanctions log]]. --[[User:ElComandanteChe|ElComandanteChe]] ([[User talk:ElComandanteChe|talk]]) 16:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

::I want to thank the community for watching out for me. I don't think this is canvassing at all, but as everyone knows, (I'm touched) I cannot edit on certain articles for about another 150 days. I wonder if I'm allowed to discuss these issues on my talk page because that seems to be ex-territorial. Anyone have any insight on that? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I also wonder how can i send an e-mail to Shuki in particular and others in general? where can i find someone's e-mail adress?[[Special:Contributions/62.219.119.17|62.219.119.17]] ([[User talk:62.219.119.17|talk]]) 17:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

:If you create a username, then on the left side of most userpages there will be a link to "E-mail this user". Though, I can't guarantee that I'll answer. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

== Elazar Abuhatzeira ==

Why did you create the article in mainspace if you had no references? There's no contest for "creating the most useless stubs that will get deleted." I also must admit that I am ''very'' skeptical of notability of a religious scholar only being provable as soon as said scholar is dead, in spite of a 40-plus year career. In short, rather than fighting to keep it in mainspacce, why not create it in your userspace and ''then'' just move it when it meets policies? [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 02:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
:It's best not to comment on articles or people you do not know about, though I am not one, I understand the attitudes of deletionists. Anyway, as a veteran editor looking for information on which to base opinions, you definitely would have clicked on interwiki links to see if the other languages have any info. Even if you don't speak those languages, you can still get a picture of the legitimacy of a subject for an article since we AGF and assume that other wikis are also maintained to high standards. In any case, the reason why there was no article until now is because a) there was not much RS available except for a major scandal and b) I created the stub because this was a breaking story and there was nothing in English on the web about it and the context of being from a notable family dynasty. People trust WP for breaking news even if only a byte of info. This is not a stub that will get deleted and I assume a veteran editor like yourself would again AGF and check my record of edits before assuming I would create a 'useless stub'. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 04:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::You said exactly what I thought you would say, which was "People trust WP for breaking news even if only a byte of info." I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTNEWS|not news]]. This is an encyclopedia, not a media outlet. [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 04:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:::You know that officially is the motto here, but in reality, WP is a form of encyclopedia, almanac, journal and repository of history. If WP was really notnews, there would not articles like [[:2011 Norway attacks]] for instance. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 08:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

==AfD==
Please see: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armoured bus]][[User:Kitfoxxe|Kitfoxxe]] ([[User talk:Kitfoxxe|talk]]) 05:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

== Welcome back ==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[Image:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]|[[Image:Original_Barnstar.png|100px]]}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Just saw your post on AE and thought to commend you on the perceptive, pointed and civil comments there. Baruch Shuvcha! --[[User:MichaelNetzer|MichaelNetzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelNetzer|talk]]) 04:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
|}

:Thanks. I appreciate your fine contributions. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 07:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== חַג חֲנֻכָּה שָׂמֵחַ==

<div style="background:black;border:5px ridge purple;color:gold;font-family:monotype corsiva;font-size:200%">
<center>הַנֵּרוֹת הַלָּלוּ קֹדֶשׁ הֵם</center>
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|left|60px]]
[[File:Candleburning.jpg|right|60px]]<center>
Hi Shuki! Hoping you and yours are
spiritually warmed by the holy lights of
חֲנֻכָּה
Jiujitsuguy 2011</center>
</div>

:Toda. Good to see your still around. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

== Revava ==

You have violated the 1RR. Self-revert your edit or you may be reported. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:Please explain. This 1RR must have happened when I was gone. I reverted you once is a violation of 1RR? --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::Your first edit was labeled a partial revert, your second a wholesale revert. So you have made 2 reverts, which is more than the allowed 1. Every article in the topic area is covered by a 1RR, see [[WP:ARBPIA#General 1RR restriction]]. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah, you are playing games with me. I understand now. I recall now how you do it, gimme a min. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::::No, not a game. Not even a ''warning''. Rather, a request that you self-revert your edit and a notice that if you refuse to do so I will report you for violating the 1RR. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, not warning - coming from you is a threat. I self-reverted my first edit, but did not re-add alleged since the additional news articles clearly say the courts convicted Peace Now of publicizing a false report. Would the 1RR also include keeping false information in the article, or is it blanket 'don't revert twice'? Please be honest here, if you have issues, I'll revert that as well for now and get second opinion. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I see you chose to self-revert a different edit in order to keep a different revert. You should see [[WP:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive75#Nableezy|here]] where a similar situation resulted in a lengthy ban (for me) on the basis that such an action was "gaming". '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Shuki, you are free to remove anything you wish from your talk page as you did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shuki&diff=467247636&oldid=467247442 here], but the comment stands. In fact, looking at the thread I linked to above I see you participated in it, so you have no excuse for thinking that you can game the restriction in such a way. Please tell me if you are not going to self-revert your edit so that I can proceed with the AE report. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|nableezy]]''' - 21:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:I'll keep this embarrassing comment of yours in. Thanks for reminding me about that AE. It's good to keep a record of that information and that they did stop you in your tracks with that frequent tactic for once and for all. I guess I have to read up on about a years worth of action here to understand the new boundaries. If it's keeping your behaviour intact, must be good progress. Too bad you have not learnt to AGF and give me more than a minute to edit before re-threatening me. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

::And I appreciate your future drawing attention to many Israeli articles that I have to improve. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:50, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Talk:Hilltop_Youth#.22Groups.22.3F}} [[User:NickCT|NickCT]] ([[User talk:NickCT|talk]]) 13:52, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

== Please ==

I would love to see you take me to A/E for a typo and my [[Dysgraphia]]. See you there. -[[User:Asad112|asad]] ([[User talk:Asad112|talk]]) 23:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== AE ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Shuki] -[[User:Asad112|asad]] ([[User talk:Asad112|talk]]) 16:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

== Article ban ==

In accordance with [[WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions]], and as a result of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=476352352#Proposed_Remedies this AE thread], you are indefinitely (note not infinitely) banned from editing the article [[Golan Heights]]. You may, of course, appeal this sanction at any time to AE or to the Arbitration Committee. Speaking only for myself, I would imagine that the sanction could be lifted if you remained out of trouble for the next few months and then appealed it. Regards, [[User:HJ Mitchell|'''HJ Mitchell''']] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|Penny for your thoughts? ]] 01:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

==Thank you==
{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Camera Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Photographer's Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" |Thank you for the pictures you've taken and allowed others to use via Wikimedia Commons and contributing under CC and GFDL licensing. [[User:CocoaZen|CocoaZen]] ([[User talk:CocoaZen|talk]]) 15:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
|}
:I appreciate your appreciation. Thanks :-) --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 17:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

== Shooting move ==

I wasn't completely clear on the talk page. I did the move because two people had already suggested it (without a title). However, I didn't see that there was already a general article with the plural until after the move. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] - [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 15:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== No one reads AE talk ==

You should ask on of the admins active in the area on their talk page or put formal AE request.--[[User:Shrike|Shrike]] ([[User talk:Shrike|talk]]) 20:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== New AE request ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Shuki AE request]     ←  [[User talk:ZScarpia | ZScarpia]]   14:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

As a courtesy, I thought I should let you know that I've discussed you in relation to the recently ended AE request [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Discussion_concerning_ZScarpia_and_WLRoss here].     ←  [[User talk:ZScarpia | ZScarpia]]   00:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know, I guess. I will AGF you again, though I'm sure that many think it is quite funny that I get sanctioned while others (like you) are merely dismissed at a subsequent identical. I didn't goad you to taking me to AE, merely demanded that you retract that misleading accusation (in fact frivolous) and peculiar that even though I did not break 1RR, you succeeded in getting the admins to eliminate me for subjective reasons only. Now that the holiday is over, I will have to decide how to proceed. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

==Dispute resolution survey==
{| style="background-color: #CCFFFF; border: 4px solid #3399cc; width:100%" cellpadding="5"
| [[File:Peace dove.svg|right|70px]]
<big>'''Dispute Resolution – ''Survey Invite'''''</big>
----
Hello {{BASEPAGENAME}}. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released.

'''Please click [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDBlN2RPQzljTFgySWg1bGFPZkVJcWc6MQ HERE] to participate.''' 
Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts.
----
You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated [[meta:Research:Wikipedia Dispute Resolution|research page]]. [[User:Steven Zhang|Steven]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|Zhang]] [[WP:DRP|DR goes to Wikimania!]] 23:02, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
|}

== Pesach sameach ==

The symbolism of getting indef'ed from I/A articles on Pesach eve is too hard for me to not notice personally. I thank you all for being part of this message. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 09:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
:The ADL, which has a clear agenda, is not RS - but Peace Now, B'Tzelem and Ha'aretz, that also have clear agendas, are. Seems like the books have been cooked in Chametz Gamur, making it a good time to keep a distance. Pesach Sameach! --[[User:MichaelNetzer|MichaelNetzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelNetzer|talk]]) 15:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

== [[WP:ARBPIA]] Topic Ban ==

This notice is to inform that you are you [[WP:TBAN|banned]] from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces indefinitely per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=485917007&oldid=485916254 this AE report]. Violations of this ban will result in blocks, more information about topic bans can be found at [[WP:TBAN]]. --[[User:WGFinley|WGFinley]] ([[User talk:WGFinley|talk]]) 15:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

== Your free 1-year HighBeam Research account is ready ==

Good news! You are approved for access to 80 million articles in 6500 publications through [[HighBeam Research]].
* Account activation codes have been emailed.
* To activate your account: 1) Go to [http://www.highbeam.com/prof1 http://www.highbeam.com/prof1]
* The 1-year, free period begins once you enter the code.
* If you need assistance, email "help at highbeam dot com", and include "HighBeam/Wikipedia" in the subject line. Or go to [[WP:HighBeam/Support]], or ask [[User:Ocaasi]]. Please, per HighBeam's request, do not call the toll-free number for assistance with registration.
* A quick reminder about using the account: 1) try it out; 2) provide original citation information, in addition to linking to a HighBeam article; 3) avoid bare links to non-free HighBeam pages; 4) note "(subscription required)" in the citation, where appropriate. Examples are at [[WP:HighBeam/Citations]].
* HighBeam would love to hear feedback at [[WP:HighBeam/Experiences]]
* Show off your HighBeam access by placing <nowiki>{{User:Ocaasi/highbeam_userbox}}</nowiki> on your userpage
* When the 1-year period is up, check the [[WP:HighBeam/Applications|applications page]] to see if renewal is possible. We hope it will be.
Thanks for helping make Wikipedia better. Enjoy your research! Cheers, [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]] [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]] 04:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

==Orphaned non-free image File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg==
'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|⚠|link=]]''' Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).

Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in the [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#F5|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]]) 09:22, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

==[[:Category:Jewish film and theatre]]==
As you commented on this category at the previous discussion, please see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 17#Category:Jewish film and theatre (no. 2)]] which I have raised afresh at the suggestion of [[user:IZAK]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 07:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

==Notification of [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement]] filing==
Shuki, as I believe your comment on my talk page violates the topic ban to which you are subject, I have filed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&diff=503701541&oldid=503267313 a request] at [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement]] for review of the matter. I will refrain from myself imposing any administrative sanctions in the matter, since your post was directly questioning my judgment, and I do not believe it would be appropriate for me to unilaterally act in such a case. You may post a statement defending yourself, and since the AE thread directly accuses you of violating your topic ban, defending yourself ''will not'' be construed as a violation of your topic ban. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] [[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]] 03:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Balance icon.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] To enforce an [[WP:Arbitration|arbitration]] decision, you have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 week'''. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks#Arbitration enforcement blocks|guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks]] and follow the instructions there to appeal your block. <hr/>'''Notice to administrators:''' In a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=349940199#Motions_regarding_Trusilver_and_Arbitration_Enforcement March 2010 decision], the Committee held that "Administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]]). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification|proper page]]. Any administrator that overturns an enforcement action outside of these circumstances shall be subject to appropriate sanctions, up to and including desysopping, at the discretion of the Committee."</div> [[User:Heimstern|Heimstern Läufer]] [[User talk:Heimstern|(talk)]] 16:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

==[[:Category:Radio stations in Israel]]==
I suppose I should fix it myself but I'm not an experienced Wikipedia user/editor. Your edits to [[List of radio stations in Israel]] weren't done properly - you added (thank you!) Kol Chai and Kol Berama into the section for stations operated by the IBA instead of the section for commercial stations. (There may be other entries which are similarly wrong but I noticed yours).

==Disambiguation link notification for October 15==

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Israeli legislative election, 2013]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Ya'akov Katz]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Israeli_legislative_election%2C_2013|check to confirm]] | [[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Israeli_legislative_election%2C_2013|fix with Dab solver]]). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 11:14, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== Topic ban ==

Revert yourself or Ill file an enforcement request. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 21:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

:My topic ban is with regard to I-P, to which the Golan does not apply. I have edited Golan articles in the past topic bans as well. Thank you for caring. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::Your topic ban is "'''banned from all articles''', discussions, and other content related to the '''Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed''' across all namespaces" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitration%2FPalestine-Israel_articles&diff=485920582&oldid=485512797]. So its not only articles about I-P conflict , but also Syrian-Israeli conflict. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 00:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::You are right and thank you for clearing that up! Thank you for caring and not losing your watchful eye. Sorry to see you have not changed your aggressive attitude even for a simple realignment of an image. I would give you a barnstar but that would probably violate my topic ban. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 00:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== November 2012 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Balance icon.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] To enforce an [[WP:Arbitration|arbitration]] decision, you have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 year'''. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks#Arbitration enforcement blocks|guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks]] and follow the instructions there to appeal your block. [[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC) <hr/>'''Notice to administrators:''' In a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=349940199#Motions_regarding_Trusilver_and_Arbitration_Enforcement March 2010 decision], the Committee held that "Administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]]). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification|proper page]]. Any administrator that overturns an enforcement action outside of these circumstances shall be subject to appropriate sanctions, up to and including desysopping, at the discretion of the Committee."</div>
*[[User:Nableezy]] point out that your series of edits reveverted your intial changes. I failed to see that. I have unblocked you, and I sincerely apologize for my error.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I've updated the Ron Nachman page. I'm sure that this technically violates the ban but hope that editors and admins will understand the insertion of this and finalized personal neutral information later. Thanks. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

== 2013 election ==

See [[Talk:Israeli_legislative_election,_2013#Table_width|here]] for discussion needing input.--[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 20:39, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Eliezer Igra]] ==

Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biography of a living person]]: '''[[Eliezer Igra]]'''. The community has decided that all new biographies of living persons must contain a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article as per our [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiability policy]]. Please add [[WP:REF|references]] as soon as possible. Thanks! --[[User:LaraBot|LaraBot]] ([[User talk:LaraBot|talk]]) 00:11, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks bot, the article has been expanded.--[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 19:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
== Files missing description details ==

<div style="padding:5px; background-color:#E1F1DE;">'''Dear uploader:''' The media files you uploaded as:
*[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank.jpg]]
*[[:File:IsraelDiscountBank2.jpg]]
are missing a description and/or other details on their image description pages. If possible, please add this information. This will help other editors make better use of the images, and they will be more informative to readers.

If the information is not provided, the images may eventually be proposed for [[Wikipedia:Guide to image deletion|deletion]],
a situation which is not desirable, and which can easily be avoided.

If you have any questions, please see [[Help:Image page#Description of the image|Help:Image page]]. Thank you. [[User:Theo's Little Bot|Theo's Little Bot]] ([[User:Theo's Little Bot#Tasks|error?]]) 09:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC) </div>

== Talkback: you've got messages! ==

{{Talkback|User_talk:Theo's_Little_Bot|images|ts=by [[User:Theopolisme|Theopolisme]] at 22:49, 14 April 2013 (UTC)}}

== [[Shomer Masoret]] ==

Hi, I know that you are a good writer on Israeli topics, and would like to ask you, [[Shomer Masoret]] is my own work which i'm not satisfied with (Especially the content in context of form of translation as not being a native English speaker etc.). It's an important Israeli topic (39% of Israeli define themselves "Shomer Masoret"/Masorti", though it's not a movement, but rather a "Self Description" phenomenon). Can you help improve this article ? or can you recommend any user who is knowledgeable on [[Mizrahi]]/relgious topics in Israel? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 14:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:Legitimate article. Please add some references, I will try to edit in the next few days. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you :-) --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 07:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

What's up with editing the article [[Shomer Masoret]] ? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 18:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[David Lau]] ==


Hello, Shuki. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, [[David Lau]], for deletion because it's a [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biography of a living person]] that lacks references. If you don't want David Lau to be deleted, please [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|add a reference]] to the article.

If you don't understand this message, you can leave a note on [[User_talk:Ghostboy1997|my talk page]].

Thanks, [[User:Ghostboy1997|Ghostboy1997]] ([[User talk:Ghostboy1997|talk]]) 02:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
:are u kidding me? he was elected [[Chief Rabbi of Israel]]. i don't think it's so hard to find references online. instead of delete this article who clearly have to be, find the information there. [[User:TZivyA|TZivyA]] ([[User talk:TZivyA|talk]]) 23:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== Would you like to expand [[Four Mothers (movement)]]? ==

hi shuki, would you be intrested in helping expand [[Four Mothers (movement)]]? --[[User:Midrashah|Midrashah]] ([[User talk:Midrashah|talk]]) 11:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:Sorry. I don't have enough information on this group. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

== Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter ==

<div style="border: 2px dashed #ADC2E4; margin: 1px; padding: 1em 2% 1em">
<center><big><big><big>'''''[[Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/October2013|Books and Bytes]]'''''</big>
Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013
[[File:Eurasian_Eagle-Owl_Maurice_van_Bruggen.JPG|100px]]
by {{user|The Interior}}, {{user|Ocaasi}}</center>
<big>'''Greetings [[WP:TWL|Wikipedia Library]] members!'''</big> Welcome to the inaugural edition of ''Books and Bytes'', TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of ''Books and Bytes'', please add your name to [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/Recipients|the subscriber's list]]. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved...
'''New positions:''' Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, or a Volunteer Wikipedia Librarian
'''Wikipedia Loves Libraries:''' Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted.
'''New subscription donations:''' Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis??
'''New ideas:''' OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges
'''News from the library world:''' Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY
'''Announcing WikiProject Open:''' WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions
'''New ways to get involved:''' Visiting scholar requirements; subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration 
<big>[[Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/October2013|Read the full newsletter]]</big> 
''Thanks for reading! All future newsletters will be '''opt-in''' only. Have an item for the next issue? Leave a note for the editor on the [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/Suggestions|Suggestions page]]. --[[User:The Interior|The Interior]] 21:22, 27 October 2013 (UTC)''
</div>


== Topic ban (2) ==

You need to stop making those edits, per your topic ban. Thanks. [[User:Nomoskedasticity|Nomoskedasticity]] ([[User talk:Nomoskedasticity|talk]]) 20:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:My topic ban is pertaining to the IP articles, not political parties. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:09, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::Your topic ban is to the Arab-Israeli conflict. If you think [[Neo-Zionism]] is not pertinent to the Arab-Israeli conflict, well that's just odd. And surely not plausible, say for example at AE. [[User:Nomoskedasticity|Nomoskedasticity]] ([[User talk:Nomoskedasticity|talk]]) 20:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::You just reverted me without reading anything.
:::The parties that are categorized are described as Neo-Zionists is the article Neo-Zionist and this is sourced. For some articles it was even mentionned in the article itself.
:::Neo-Zionism movement rejects the idea of a Palestinian State and consider Eretz-Israel comprises (at minimum) the totality of former Mandate Palestine. This is therefore a topic that is linked to the I-P conflict.
:::If you don't self-revert, I assume that you will be blocked.
:::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 20:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::::You're dragging me into the specific area that I am not allowed to edit in, and that was not my intention at all. You might notice that I have respected the TBAN over the past year and have no intention of breaking it. As per the reverts, gimme some time, I will return with the permission I received from admin about this. If I am mistaken, I can make the reverts. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:24, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Hello,
:::::I didn't "drag" you anywhere. I even never met you. You jumped there alone.
:::::Anyway, there is no hurry and I don't see any issue if you discuss this with admins as long as you take care of your actions, discuss in talk pages and don't transform these articles in a WP:BATTLEGROUND for ideological reasons.
:::::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 20:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Reverted all the articles I had edited today. I don't have time to get into that. Eventually, will probably will issue an appeal to AE, but would like to continue the WP vacation this TBAN has afforded a bit longer. I remember now what a battleground you guys still think this is and thank you too for watching out for me. Pluto, I think I know who you were. Please be careful. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 20:41, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I formerly edited wikipedia under the account "ceedjee".
:::::::What are your concerns with the fact to create the category "Neo-Zionism" and to add there the political parties and movements as well as some people who adhere to this philosophy ?
:::::::You asked for WP:RS for this but :
:::::::* most are referred as such (with sources) on the article [[Neo-Zionism]].
:::::::* have in mind that scholars share the spectrum in 3 parts : Zionists, Post-Zionists and Neo-Zionists. Each party should be somewhere in one of these third. (There are few Anti-Zionist parties in Israel, if any).
:::::::If you give precise concerns for one given article (one at at time), I don't mind discussing this with you.
:::::::[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 06:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:I can't discuss that issue with you because the pro-___ warriors will chew me out like they did the rest. FWIW, in general of course, it is OR to label / cat articles about people and organizations that are not labeled with that term widely, and perhaps by one or only a few writers, if they are mentioned specifically. ANd it is OR to construe by their minority definition of a term and then place it on everything that might then fit the definition, even if it was never mentioned explicitly, or even existed at the time of the author's mention. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 16:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
::I agree with your analysis.
::But sincerely, I don't think we are on the wrong side of the red line.
::* The reference that I used for the political parties is [[Anita Shapira]] and 2 other scholars. These are not Post-Zionists (ideological adversaries of Neo-Zionists) and these are not just journalists but academics who specialized on the Israeli society.
::* For Im Titzu, they describe themselves as such on their website and other do so too.
::* There was already a category named "Kahanism" (much more discussable from my point of view) that I englobed in this one.
::* The only litiguous case that I see is that I extended the category a little bit to cases without trying to find sources but as a consequence I restricted myself to cases where, if I don't check for sources, it cannot be denied they concern Neo-Zionism (ex. [[Professors for a Strong Israel]], [[Aryeh Eldad]], [[Movement for Greater Israel]]...). I don't think it is WP:OR. It is rather a case of "reference needed" at worse. And if somebody disagrees, I will just ask me to chose a better option between : Anti-Zionism, Post-Zionism, Secular Zionism or Zionism...
::NB: I am sorry for your topic ban. The I-P arena is really unpleasant and "staying <s>alive</s>" unbanned is a miracle. I you fear that this discussion could cause you trouble or tire you, there is no need to go on this right now. [[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 17:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

== The Wikipedia Library Survey ==

As a subscriber to one of [[WP:TWL|The Wikipedia Library]]'s programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this [https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_23JuoVF5e7dgDl3 '''brief survey.'''] Thanks and cheers, [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]] [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]] 15:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


{{YGM|sig=[[User:Atefrat|@Efrat]] ([[User talk:Atefrat|talk]]) 06:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC)}}
: Sorry, I must have missed that. Please resend if still relevant. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 21:35, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== CfD nomination of [[:Category:{{ucfirst:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|40px|left]]
'''[[:Category:{{ucfirst:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}]]''' has been nominated for {{#ifeq:|yes|deletion|{{#ifeq:|yes|merging|{{#ifeq:|yes|renaming|deletion, merging, or renaming}}}}}}. You are encouraged to join the '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion{{#if:2014 April 8|/Log/2014 April 8}}#{{#if:1917 in the Palestinian territories|1917 in the Palestinian territories|Category:1917 in the Palestinian territories}}|discussion]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|Categories for discussion]] page. [[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 17:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know. I have an opinion on this but I have yet to bother to appeal the TBAN that I'd be violating to comment there. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki#top|talk]]) 18:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Mekimi

2014-04-07T21:22:57Z

Shuki: new branch in Petach Tikva

{{Infobox non-profit
| name = Mekimi
| image = Mekimi_logo.png
| type =
| founded_date = 
| tax_id =
| registration_id =
| founder =
| location = Israel
| coordinates = 
| origins =
| key_people =
| area_served =
| product =
| mission = provides solutions, counsel and guidance to families and individuals in financial distress.
| focus =
| method =
| revenue =
| endowment =
| num_volunteers =
| num_employees = 4 (as of 2013)
| num_members =
| subsid =
| opponents =
| owner =
| non-profit_slogan =
| former name =
| homepage = www.mekimi.org.il/en
| dissolved =
| footnotes =
}}
'''Mekimi''' is a [[non-profit organization]] operating in [[Israel]] aimed at assisting families in financial distress so that they may regain their economic independence.

Based in [[Jerusalem]] and established in 2011, Mekimi is not a sectorial organization yet the majority of families seeking help from Mekimi come from the [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]] segment.<ref name=Netzer/> Mekimi works with the families and professionals such as lawyers, accountants, mortgage brokers, and even marriage counselours to restructure family debt which has so far included cases between 20 000NIS to 500 000NIS. One of Mekimi's unique features is to galvanize the community around the family in financial crisis and without the community knowing specifically who is being helped. Mekimi raises money to help the family settle debts from banks, lenders and even [[loan shark]]s and also teaches them to reduce usage or altogether stop using credit cards, cheques. The service is given free of charge. In April 2014, [[Petah Tikva]] was the location of Mekimi' opening a second branch. <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/273963 |title=סניף חדש של עמותת "מקימי" במרכז הארץ|language=Hebrew|trans_title=New branch of Mekimi in the centre of the country |date=3 April 2014|accessdate=7 April 2014 |last=Ben Porat|first=Ido|publisher=inn.co.il}}</ref>

Yisrael Livman, formely the vice-president of operations at [[Paamonim]], founded Mekimi in memory of both his father who had died and a brother who had been killed, and now serves as the organization's director. Livman explains the motivation behind forming a similar organization in that while Paamonim helps the vast majority of families that approach it, it ends up turning away some hard cases which it does not have the resources to assist. Livman took on the challenge to help those extreme cases.<ref name=Netzer>{{cite news|url=http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000827555 |title=דתיים משלמים הרבה על חינוך - חילונים לא מבינים|language=Hebrew|trans_title=Religious people spend more on education - non-religious people don't understand |date=7 March 2013|accessdate=2 February 2014 |last=Netzer |first=Ranan|publisher=globes.co.il}}</ref> Some of the families get stuck in the vicious downward cycle of black market moneylenders and in these cases, Livman might meet with them in order to restructure and mediate a solution to pay off the loan. Mekimi has publicly called for banks to resist tempting customers to go further into debt and for families to make do with what they have even if it means selling a car or moving to a smaller home.<ref name=INN>{{cite news|url=http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/256287 |title=מנכ"ל מקימי: אל תקחו הלוואות|language=Hebrew|trans_title=Don't take loans |date=22 May 2013|accessdate=2 February 2014 |last=Toker |first=Benny|publisher=Inn.co.il}}</ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.mekimi.org.il/en Mekimi English website]

[[Category:Charities based in Israel]]

Mekimi

2014-04-07T21:16:58Z

Shuki: per WP policy of who started the page.

{{Infobox non-profit
| name = Mekimi
| image = Mekimi_logo.png
| type =
| founded_date = 
| tax_id =
| registration_id =
| founder =
| location = Israel
| coordinates = 
| origins =
| key_people =
| area_served =
| product =
| mission = provides solutions, counsel and guidance to families and individuals in financial distress.
| focus =
| method =
| revenue =
| endowment =
| num_volunteers =
| num_employees = 4 (as of 2013)
| num_members =
| subsid =
| opponents =
| owner =
| non-profit_slogan =
| former name =
| homepage = www.mekimi.org.il/en
| dissolved =
| footnotes =
}}
'''Mekimi''' is a [[non-profit organization]] operating in [[Israel]] aimed at assisting families in financial distress so that they may regain their economic independence.

Based in [[Jerusalem]] and established in 2011, Mekimi is not a sectorial organization yet the majority of families seeking help from Mekimi come from the [[Religious Zionism|National Religious]] segment.<ref name=Netzer/> Mekimi works with the families and professionals such as lawyers, accountants, mortgage brokers, and even marriage counselours to restructure family debt which has so far included cases between 20 000NIS to 500 000NIS. One of Mekimi's unique features is to galvanize the community around the family in financial crisis and without the community knowing specifically who is being helped. Mekimi raises money to help the family settle debts from banks, lenders and even [[loan shark]]s and also teaches them to reduce usage or altogether stop using credit cards, cheques. The service is given free of charge.

Yisrael Livman, formely the vice-president of operations at [[Paamonim]], founded Mekimi in memory of both his father who had died and a brother who had been killed, and now serves as the organization's director. Livman explains the motivation behind forming a similar organization in that while Paamonim helps the vast majority of families that approach it, it ends up turning away some hard cases which it does not have the resources to assist. Livman took on the challenge to help those extreme cases.<ref name=Netzer>{{cite news|url=http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000827555 |title=דתיים משלמים הרבה על חינוך - חילונים לא מבינים|language=Hebrew|trans_title=Religious people spend more on education - non-religious people don't understand |date=7 March 2013|accessdate=2 February 2014 |last=Netzer |first=Ranan|publisher=globes.co.il}}</ref> Some of the families get stuck in the vicious downward cycle of black market moneylenders and in these cases, Livman might meet with them in order to restructure and mediate a solution to pay off the loan. Mekimi has publicly called for banks to resist tempting customers to go further into debt and for families to make do with what they have even if it means selling a car or moving to a smaller home.<ref name=INN>{{cite news|url=http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/256287 |title=מנכ"ל מקימי: אל תקחו הלוואות|language=Hebrew|trans_title=Don't take loans |date=22 May 2013|accessdate=2 February 2014 |last=Toker |first=Benny|publisher=Inn.co.il}}</ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.mekimi.org.il/en Mekimi English website]

[[Category:Charities based in Israel]]

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 1

2014-04-07T21:05:26Z

Shuki: /* 4th Century in Israel */ oppose del

<noinclude><div class="boilerplate metadata vfd" style="background-color: #F3F9FF; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0 1px 0 0; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA; font-size:10px">
{| width = "100%"
|-
! width="50%" align="left" | < [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 March 31|March 31]]
! width="50%" align="right" | [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 2|April 2]] >
|}
</div></noinclude>

=== April 1 ===
====Categories: Actors by ethnicity====
:*'''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Actors by ethnicity]] - {{lc1|Actors by ethnicity}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Delete'''. - I'm really scratching my head over this one. No idea why it was created, since it is entirely redundant to {{cat|Actors by ethnic or national descent‎}}. (Looking into the history, I see that this category was originally called [[:Category:Actors by ethnic group]], but was later renamed. Not sure when it was created or by whom, perhaps it predated the category that it's redundant to.) [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Note'''. Originally created 2008-June-5 by [[:User:Hmains]], so it does pre-date {{cat|Actors by ethnic or national descent‎}}. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] [[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]] 23:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:*Thanks - very interesting. For whatever reason, this category was superceded by {{cat|Actors by ethnic or national descent‎}}, which has all of the subcategories. In any event, we don't need both of them. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 00:52, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' Delete. It serves no present purpose. [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 03:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete:''' as redundant intersection; potentially confusing and misunderstood category, subject to personal opinion, objectionable adjectivization, and political wording. [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|'''''Quis separabit?''''']] 12:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
:: While we're on a similar topic here we should [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_4#Category:Actors_of_European_descent '''also delete''' [[:Category:Actors of European descent]]; it has a population of one and makes no sense. Noticed while perusing general category ({{cat|Actors by ethnic or national descent‎}}), and thought I could piggy back it; see 4 April CFD.] [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|'''''Quis separabit?''''']] 23:46, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
:::That is an entirely separate question, and should not be shoehorned into this discussion. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 16:14, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
:::*'''AHEM''' - Listen up, User:Rms125a, AKA Quis separabit. DO NOT EVER REMOVE ANOTHER EDITOR'S COMMENT -- as you did with my comment, immediately above (which I have restored). That is a serious violation. I cut you some slack for your initial mistake of adding a separate issue to the CFD, which I chalked up to your not being familiar with proper CFD protocol. But there is no excuse for removing another editor's posted comment, and it doesn't require an advanced degree to know that. As for any other categories that you wish to deal with, you will need to create a separate CFD to discuss them. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 21:59, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
::::*'''''AHEM''''' -- While we are clearing our throats, could [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] tell me what comment I deleted. I certainly would not be foolish enough to intentionally delete another editor's comments on a public forum like a CFD or AFD. These ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_1&diff=prev&oldid=602910700], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_1&diff=next&oldid=602910700], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_1&diff=prev&oldid=602910700], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_1&diff=prev&oldid=602910700]) are the diffs surrounding my last edit, which should show that. I studied them and have no idea what you are talking about. '''''I did not intentionally (or otherwise as far as I know)''''' delete your little "That is an entirely separate question, and should not be shoehorned into this discussion" comment. Why would I? Please explain why you think I did. [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|'''''Quis separabit?''''']] 15:47, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::*Um, you might want to have a look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_1&diff=602793370&oldid=602754296 your FIRST edit] following my comment/response, which you somehow managed to skip over in your list. As to ''Why?'' you would remove my comment, I think that's for '''you''' to answer. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 15:55, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Sigh... I just noticed that while you were at it, you also removed the following comment by another editor (which I am now restoring) )[[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 15:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::*I don't know how it happened. Obviously it was unintentional, either through a mistake editing or maybe using a wrong version. Whatever, I don't know. You should have realized that. And if you felt that strongly you should have raised the point on my talk page ([[WP:AGF|AGF]]) rather than adopting an obnoxious and threatening tone here. If I did delete [[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]]'s comment, I apologize to him directly. And the answer to my (rhetorical) question is that I would have had no reason and would not have intentionally deleted your little comment or Obi-Wan's delete vote. I restored the comments chronologically. [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|'''''Quis separabit?''''']] 16:11, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::*Excuse me, but it's quite absurd for you to now declare, "Obviously it was unintentional" and "You should have realized that." My "little comment" went suddenly missing smack in the middle of your out-of-protocol attempt to modify the scope of this CFD. (You inserted a new category, to be deleted for ''entirely different reasons'', and while you were at it, you also '''''changed the section heading'''''.) Under the circumstances, why would I assume that it was anything but intentional? However, since you insist that it was in fact entirely UN-intentional, I will take your word for it. That said, it was frightfully sloppy editing on your part. And your oversight in somehow missing that edit -- followed by your insistence that you hadn't done it -- was pretty darn sloppy, too. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 16:43, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::*I know I have seen instances in the past in which a related article is added to an existing AFD or CFD action, which I colloquially call "piggybacking", so I do not consider it "out of protocol". I don't know how common or uncommon a practice it is. I checked and have found no rules prohibiting such usually innocuous actions, either. So I had no reason to remove your little comment unless you are employing [[WP:SYNTHESIS|synthesis]] to imply that your objection to the piggybacking somehow was sufficiently important for me to try to delete it, which is absurd. You didn't even notice yourself until a few minutes ago about the Obi-Wan vote being deleted also, two full days ago, which I had no reason to do since I support deletion in this case, although obviously even if I didn't I would never delete anything on an AFD or CFD thread, or almost anywhere else, except perhaps my own talk page, as Wikipedia is transparent. And again, ''"... if you felt that strongly you should have raised the point on my talk page ([[WP:AGF|AGF]]) rather than adopting an obnoxious and threatening tone here"'', because I am guilty of, at most, carelessness in this case, to which I am willing to man up. I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it. [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|'''''Quis separabit?''''']] 17:04, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::*I really have nothing further to say, other than to note one last bit of appalling sloppiness on your part, which I was forced to clean up. This took place when you ''"restored the comments chronologically"'' by inserting them smack in the midst of our back-and-forth comments. I had to remove those two comments and place them in a more appropriate location (below). [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 17:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' no point in this cat.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 17:51, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' unneeded duplicate layer.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 22:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
::: Chronological means chronological. And [[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]]'s comment/vote '''necessarily precedes''' your first comment to me, which means I placed it exactly where it belongs. [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|'''''Quis separabit?''''']] 21:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

==== Category:Fulbright Scholars ====
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Fulbright Scholars]] to [[:Category:Fulbright scholars]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' unnecessary capitalization [[User:Gregbard|Greg Bard]] ([[User_talk:Gregbard|talk]]) 23:07, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep as is''' - The term "Fulbright Scholar" is actually a proper name, from which the term "Fulbright Scholarship" is derived. A quick look around on the internet reveals that both words are ''always'' capitalized. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 16:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Cgingold. See also other subcats of {{cat|Scholarship recipients}}. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 23:42, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' -- it is a proper name. I was doubtful as to whether this (as an award winner type) category should be allowed, but with nearly 800 members, I do not feel able to vote against it. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 16:57, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

==== Category:Niccolò Cusano University of Rome ====
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Niccolò Cusano University of Rome]] - {{lc1|Niccolò Cusano University of Rome}} 
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Delete'''. Only content is one subcategory for faculty. That can probably also be deleted, unless we have an article for the school. I could not find it. Maybe someone with knowledge of Italy can figure it out. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 22:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*The article is at [[Università degli Studi Niccolò Cusano]]; I've added it. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 22:53, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
**Open to keeping if we need this, but this is a case where we prove the point that article titles should be in English! If kept, probably should be renamed to [[:Category:Università degli Studi Niccolò Cusano]]. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 23:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::: Support deletion as per [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]]'s rationale. [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|'''''Quis separabit?''''']] 00:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]]. I expcet that there will be other things to be added. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Peterkingiron |Peterkingiron ]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Peterkingiron |contribs]]) 16:59, 6 April 2014

==== Category:Marconi University of Rome ====
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Marconi University of Rome]] - {{lc1|Marconi University of Rome}} 
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Delete'''. Found doing cleanup from February. Appears to be an incomplete nomination for deletion. Only has the main article and one for faculty, so probably deletion was as a small category. If kept, rename to [[:Category:Marconi University]]. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 21:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' This is "part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme," isn't it? If we delete, we might as well delete the subcat {{cat|Marconi University faculty}} as well, since it only has one page. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 22:08, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

::: '''Delete''': this is basically a circular redirect. [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|'''''Quis separabit?''''']] 00:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]]. I expect that there will be other things to be added. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:01, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

==== Category:Computer magazine disambiguations ====
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Computer magazine disambiguations]] - {{lc1|Computer magazine disambiguations}} 
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Disambiguation pages are not encyclopedia content (articles), they are just a navigation aid to articles. As such they shouldn't be in topic-based categories. [[CAT:DABP#Notes]] says such dab page categories (populated by category tags rather than by a dab template) should not be used. [[User:DexDor|DexDor]] ([[User talk:DexDor|talk]]) 21:00, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

==== 4th Century in Israel ====
*'''Upmerge''' [[:Category:4th century in Israel]] to [[:Category:4th century in the Byzantine Empire]] and [[:Category:Holy Land during Byzantine rule]]
*'''Upmerge''' [[:Category:6th century in Israel]] to [[:Category:6th century in the Byzantine Empire]] and [[:Category:Holy Land during Byzantine rule]]
*'''Nominator's ratione''' [[Israel]]does not exist as a named country between 710 BC and AD 1948. To use the name in the mentioned centuries in innacurate on very, very many levels. Previous discussions have gotten rid of similar categories like [[:Category:1912 establishments in Israel]].[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 20:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this nomination due to it's skewed one-sided perspective/objective, namely to see the history of that area from ''only'' a Byzantine POV. May as well eliminate the entire parent category of [[:Category:Centuries in Israel]] where the term "Israel" obviously does not mean just the modern state of Israel, but has always also meant a far broader generic historical and geographic concept such as including [[Land of Israel]], [[Greater Israel]], [[Kingdom of Israel]] all of which precede the Byzantine era and were continuously used as names for that geographic area by both Biblical and academic scholars and historians. This looks more like an attempt at historical revisionism to somehow wipe out any meaning of the term Israel based on the fact that the modern-day state of Israel starts in 1947/8 as if from a vacuum with no prior historical antecedents. So leave well enough alone, if it ain't broke don't fix it, and avoid trying to find ways of eliminating the name "Israel" that has always had a far wider historical and even theological meaning, such as it being the classical second name of the Biblical patriarch [[Jacob]] from which the name Israel is derived and has continued throughout history regardless of which other names and overlays and imperial occupations and conquests have taken place. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 05:05, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism|list of Judaism-related deletion discussions]]. 05:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC) [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 05:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - upmerge both per John Pack Lambert; parallel to the case of Syrian categories, discussed here last year.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 16:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
**Hi Greyshark: [[WP:LIKE|Not to like]] the name Israel and clearly favor a Byzantine POV is not a good enough reason to destroy categories that have functioned perfectly for a long time and that do not cause confusion. Also note that [[WP:NOTPAPER]]. Thanks, [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 08:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
***For your reference i'm also [[WP:LIKE|Not to like]] [[State of Palestine|Palestine]], [[Arab Republic of Syria|Syria]] and [[Kingdom of Jordan|Jordan]], when referring to classic period political and administrative divisions - all are simply anachronistic.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 21:25, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''support''' Much as I personally prefer keeping cats to the current nation state, even if anachronistic, if we've renamed the others we've got to rename this one. fair is fair. I'm not a historian but I think JPL has it right here - this area was indeed under the Byzantine empire, and that's not a POV. We seem to side with the winners here, and in the case, the Byzantine empire had dominion over what is currently Israel at that time.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 17:06, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

*'''Not certain''' - Everybody seems to have a different name for that region. No matter what name you pick, someone will call it POV.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 13:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
::This is why we need to apply the actual political name for that period (Byzantine Empire - Diocese of the East) and avoid "region" disputes (for which we have a dozen of POV names).[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 15:22, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' - every single country in the world has a category on Wikipedia for centuries in it even before they were created, as [[:Category:Centuries by country]] proves. There ''is not'' and ''should not'' be an exception for the State of Israel. To 'Obi-Wan Kenobi', many empires, not just the Byzantine one, ruled over geographic areas which have since become countries, though they still have their own centuries category as that template shows. [[User:Yambaram|Yambaram]] ([[User talk:Yambaram|talk]]) 14:41, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
**We do no have categories for "every singles country in the world" for centuries before they existed. Where is [[:Category:20th century in South Sudan]]. That alone proves your claim false. I also am pretty sure that [[:Category:20th century in Pakistan]] has no earlier siblings.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 22:59, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
**JPL is correct - mostly we don't have anachronistic categories, and when we do - we usually merge/delete them, like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_31#Syrian_Categories Syrian categories].[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 15:25, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Comment''' Those who are ignorant of the meaning of terms should not try to impose their ignorance as a rule. Some of the nominations here seem to be motivated by a desire to have Wikipedia reflect a Jewish view of history, over a period of time when the Jews had no political power in the area. They really seem to be pushing a revision to a Zionist view of the categorization of the history of Palestine. I know I am going to get attacked for calling them out, but that is the only way to understand attempts to use "Israel" for things happening in this time period. The listing of this on a Jewish discussion area and nowhere else, when there was no political power for Jews in this area at the time is suspect. I have consistently taken this postion, against [[:Category:1903 establishments in Ukraine]], against pre-1922 establishments in Turkey categories, against anachronistic establishments by current name in parts of Africa, and so on. Over and over again the agreement has been we should apply contemporary and not present names and boundaries.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 23:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)</s>
**Hi there johnpacklambert: You are right, smearing fellow-editors as "pushing a revision to a Zionist view of the categorization of the history of Palestine" is both an uncalled for provocation and attack by ''you'' not to mention a violation of [[WP:AGF]] and [[WP:CIVIL]]. How do you know for sure if any editor is a Zionist or not just based on discussions in CfDs? No one is pushing anything, go ahead make WP into a pro-PLO encyclopedia, will you be happy then? Cut out all mention of Israel and Jews you will find a lot of support for that, will you speak out as strongly then when that happens? If anything, for all anyone knows the nominator may be pushing a stealth pro-PLO POV but no one is accusing him of that, hey why not violate [[WP:AGF]] and attack the nominator as you do others here to be an equal opportunity critic? Since the fall of Judea to the Romans about 2000 years ago, Jews, Christians and Biblical scholars have never ceased to refer to their original homeland as Land of Israel or Israel for short. Just open a Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) and Jewish prayer books and Christian writings about the land and see for yourself. Not everything is based on "political power" or contemporary politics, some things are more durable and meaningful than even that. Finally, the "contemporary" names changed often and various powers have always laid claim to the same territory so there can be simultaneous categories over-laying each other. WP is not a monochrome one-dimensional work, it can handle complexity, diversity and even paradoxes that may elude otherwise seemingly smart people. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 06:28, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Christianity|list of Christianity-related deletion discussions]]. 06:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC) [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 06:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel|list of Israel-related deletion discussions]]. 06:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC) [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 06:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Per Izak. He makes some quite convincing and cogent points above.[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 07:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Upmerge''' per nom. We categorise historic events accoring to the contemporary polity, not the present one. I spent a singificnat time some months ago eliminating (mainly by merger) a lot of Turkish categories relating to a period before there was any such place, the target being a Byzantine or Ottoman one according to period. Though a Christian, I am not enamored with the term "Holy Land" and would prefer us to be using a contemporary provincial name. My Turkish example is not the only one: we have made a lot of changes to eliminate anachronistic names. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:09, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
::Indeed so. We can often get to ridiculous examples with anachronistic applications, such as [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_5#19th_century_in_Pakistan|19th century in Pakistan]], whereas Pakistan obviously hadn't existed until the split of India in 1940s (not even the name "Pakistan"). With the case of Turkey it is also rather amusing, and if applying retro-actively, someone might have said that Turkmen invaded into "15th century Turkey" and defeated Byzantium...[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 17:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Referring to contemporary entities is what makes an encyclopedia reliable. From what I see the present situation is halfway there: We have a [[:Category:Centuries in Czechoslovakia]] and [[:Category:Centuries in French Sudan]], but [[:Category:Centuries in France]] goes back to the 1st C BC, and [[:Category:Centuries in the United States]] has the stray 11th and 12th centuries. By the way, the latter cat also has children named after older entities, and I don't think it's a bad idea to use modern nation states for such umbrellas.
:If the wikipedians who participated in such discussions, and who don't care for only one spot on the globe, can attest that previous moves have usually been in the right direction, this makes the case. [[User:Danny lost|trespassers william]] ([[User talk:Danny lost|talk]]) 19:45, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/History|list of History-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Danny lost|trespassers william]] ([[User talk:Danny lost|talk]]) 20:09, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom, and consistent with the treatment of every other country on the planet. Israel is no exception. There should be no "Nth Century in Fooland" for any century preceding the independence of Fooland that is recognized internationally (so no centuries at all in Sealand, Biafra, the Conferdate States of America, or other unrecognized places). [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 18:54, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
*I have decided some of my previous comments were too strong. However, it has been clearly agreed that Israel is the name of the modern nation-state, and can not be used to refer to the area before that state is created. I have consistently shown my oppistion to anachronistic use of modern country names, and have a current proposal against the 4th-century Guatemala category, which is equally problematic.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 20:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Yambaram and IZAK. Wow, how wrong is this encyclopedia getting? Singling out Israel to claim there was no Israelite or Jewish settlement in those centuries is not encyclopedic and indeed pushing a Byzantine POV, no matter how 'funny' that sounds. There does not seem to be a consensus about this on WP, and in fact many examples to show otherwise just a random search of other regions that were inhabited during times predating the recent establishment of the modern state - [[:Category:Centuries in Romania]], Serbia, Morocco, England, and many more, etc... If anything, it is legitimate to have an additional parallel categories but certainly not to make this exclusive of the other. For instance, someone using the cats searching for pre-1776 USA history, or pre-927 England, or Ireland (whose article talks about "Prehistoric Ireland") would definitely want a convenient way to know what was in the land-mass of any current state. Relegating the history of Israel to the 20th century when it was formely established is pushing extreme revisionism. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 21:05, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

====Category:Football at the 2011 Military World Games====
<div class="boilerplate vfd" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''deleted''' by [[User:RHaworth|RHaworth]]. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:19, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Football at the 2011 Military World Games]] - {{lc1|Football at the 2011 Military World Games}} 
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Empty unused category [[User:JMHamo|JMHamo]] ([[User talk:JMHamo|talk]]) 20:34, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:JMHamo|JMHamo]] ([[User talk:JMHamo|talk]]) 20:35, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*Tagged as empty. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 22:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - empty, therefore redundant. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 12:08, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - empty cat. [[User:Fenix down|Fenix down]] ([[User talk:Fenix down|talk]]) 13:02, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
----
:''The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''</div>

====Category:National military association football teams====
<div class="boilerplate vfd" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''deleted''' by [[User:RHaworth|RHaworth]]. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:20, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:National military association football teams]] - {{lc1|National military association football teams}} 
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Redundant category [[User:JMHamo|JMHamo]] ([[User talk:JMHamo|talk]]) 20:20, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:JMHamo|JMHamo]] ([[User talk:JMHamo|talk]]) 20:21, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*Redundant to what? I've tagged it as empty. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 22:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - empty, therefore redundant. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 12:08, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - empty cat. [[User:Fenix down|Fenix down]] ([[User talk:Fenix down|talk]]) 13:02, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
----
:''The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''</div>

==== Category:Nair's in Indian Police Service ====
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Nair's in Indian Police Service]] - {{lc1|Nair's in Indian Police Service}} 
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The value of categorisation by caste has been questioned before (see, for example, [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 August 10#Category:Rajput people]]). This particular category is a narrow intersection of caste and occupation. Its use seems difficult to justify considering that the parent, [[:Category:Nair people]], has been deleted. '''[[User:SuperMarioMan|SuperMario]][[Special:Contributions/SuperMarioMan|Man]]''' ( '''[[User talk:SuperMarioMan|talk]]''' ) 19:31, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

====Category:British companies established in 2008====
:*'''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:British companies established in 2008]] - {{lc1|British companies established in 2008}} 
:*'''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:British companies established in 2007]] - {{lc1|British companies established in 2007}} 
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' As far as I can tell, we don't categorize at the triple intersection of type of entity (company), place (British), and year of establishment (2008/2007). I recommend deleting these and upmerging to {{cat|Companies established in 2008}} and {{cat|2008 establishments in the United Kingdom}}. If they are kept, this is a categorization scheme we'll want to expand instead. [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' [[:Category:Companies established in 2007 by country]] has 45 sub-cats. While this type of category only seems to exist for 2007 and 2008, it extends far beyond the British categories. We should probably make a unified decision on all of the company by country established in given year cats, not just consider them for one particular country.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 20:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::Ah, good find, {{cat|Companies established in 2007 by country}} and {{cat|Companies established in 2008 by country}} exist, though again, not for any other year as far as I can see. Perhaps I should start a new discussion for those two. I do hope I wouldn't have to tag all of the subcats. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:58, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes, you would need to tag all the subcats to be deleted/upmerged. If you need help, ping me, as I can probably do it using [[WP:AWB]]. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 18:08, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete all''' I'd support deleting the whole rest of that tree. It's an unneeded triple intersection. If expanded it would lead to massive numbers of new categories, I don't see much value in it either. A simple category intersection which is available within wikipedia can do this for free.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 21:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Question''' {{reply to|BDD}} Did you really mean to suggest deleting [[:Category:British companies established in 2007]] and merging it into {{cat|Companies established in 2008}} or were you simply too much in a hurry to nominate? X[[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 10:47, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
::No, I had initially written out that the 2007 category should be upmerged to the appropriate 2007 category, but I thought that obvious. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Why are deletions here decided by a small group of [[wp:CfD]] insiders and not brought to the attention of WikiProjects such as [[wp:WikiProject Years]] and [[wp:WikiProject United Kingdom]]? Seems to me that it should be up to those who are involved in the deletion industry at wikipeia to make sure that proper conensus is arrived at before the work of fellow editors is wiped out for no good reason. Oh yes, I am the creator of these (and many other) categories. x[[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 11:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
::Ottawa, I and I'm sure the vast majority here would welcome more informed participation here. If you have ideas on how to get more editors to vote here id welcome it. Secondly, did you get consensus from those projects before starting this new scheme, which would lead to hundreds of more categories to create and maintain? If not, why should we ask them if they want to keep, as they weren't consulted before creation? Feel free to notify them but projects are expected to tag and monitor alerts for articles and cats of interest and it's only rarely that projects are informed, it's totally optional and if you see a discussion that you feel would benefit from contribs by a project please notify them - no need to ask permission here nor complain about it - just fix it.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 17:25, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' -- Yes they are small categories, but companies of this period have so far only had a few years to grow inot notability. I am not fond of these annual categories, but we do have them. In this case I suspect there is room for populating this from parents. If not kept, then upmerge to relevant parents, possibly including one for British companies established in the 2000s. The equivalent American category has 205 article for 2007, 17 for 2008 and one for 1922. The 2007 category there is big enough to be worthwhile, and I suspect that the others are merely awaiting being better populated. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' As part of an existing scheme by country/year. And keep per [[WP:DEFINING]] which states "if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead portion of an article, it is probably not defining". Most of the articles I looked at in the 2007 category state in the lead "X is a British company founded in 2007" or words to that affect. '''[[User:Lugnuts|Lugnuts]]''' [[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]] 11:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

==== Category:Holy Land during Byzantine rule ====
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Holy Land during Byzantine rule]] to [[:Category:Diocese of the East]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' There is a general perception by many users that Holy Land may be a very religiously sensitive and geographically non-precise. However, the previous [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_February_9#Category:Holy_Land_during_Byzantine_rule|rename proposal]] into "Palestine during Byzantine rule" didn't get majority support. To resolve the issue i propose to refer to "Holy Land" during Byzantine rule for its encompassing administrative region - [[Diocese of the East]], which is the most correct term for that area at the time, not going into too much details with borders of subprovinces [[Palaestina Prima]], [[Palaestina Secunda]], [[Palaestina Salutaris]], [[Arabia Petraea]] and [[Phoenice (Roman province)]] (all comprising [[Holy Land]] in some way).[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 17:21, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' The Diocese of the East was significantly larger than the area usually called the Holy Land. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 18:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::Diocese was indeed larger than Holy Land alone, but during Byzantine times there was no "Holy Land" unit - the region was a part of the Oriens diocese, and included a number of subprovinces as described above. This is the best descriptive concept for that period for that area - similar to [[Ottoman Syria]] in Ottoman period.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 19:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::: I categorically oppose replacing something which is not ideal but at least very clear, by something is definitely not correct, and is in addition not readily understandable for the average reader. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 22:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:::: The average reader should be inclined to use an encyclopedia. They have mice for that... [[User:Danny lost|trespassers william]] ([[User talk:Danny lost|talk]]) 00:16, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' These categories should reflect the reality of the time. They need to align to the political subunits as they then existed.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 20:36, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:: But the proposed category is ''not'' a correct description of that area, as the nominator admitted himself in his reply to me above. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 22:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''support'''. Better than my proposal. l believe the Diocese covers the Holy Land even when most widely construed, and of course it is a more solid historical concept that should take precedence.
:One question: If it was disestablished on 535, and the area changed hands early in the7th C, will the cat be relevant for the decades in between? [[User:Danny lost|trespassers william]] ([[User talk:Danny lost|talk]]) 23:31, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::Answer - actually when reading the J.B.Bury [http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/BURLAT/21*.html#p339] source, there is no indication of abolishment of the diocese in 535 CE. It says that "The Count of the East was deprived of his jurisdiction over the Orient diocese and, retaining his title, rank, and emoluments, became the civil governor of the province of Syria Prima." Thus there was a rotation of military and civil governors, but it doesn't say the diocese was abolished.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 04:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this ridiculous suggestion, because it would change the meaning of the category entirely to a solely Christian one of the [[Eastern Orthodox Church]] since a "[[Diocese]]" (look it up!) is 100% a Christian notion while this category is about the History of the [[Holy Land]] (look it up!) during the historical era of the [[Byzantine Empire]] that is not just a church history, but includes many other subjects, as a wider notion that has always referred to that area that is/was covered by overlays from [[Canaan]], [[Kingdom of Israel]], [[Kingdom of Judah]], [[Judea]], [[Land of Israel]], [[Greater Israel]], [[Palestine]], [[Trans-Jordan]], [[Jordan]], [[Syria]], [[Lebanon]], [[Palestine]] and the various peoples that lived there over the millennia that it would include. ALL of which contain far more history than the very narrow one proposed by the nominator. If anything the nominator should create his new category's name, fill it with [[Eastern Orthodox Church]] diocese-related articles, and then make that a sub-category of the one he wishes to change. Thank you, [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 04:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
::It seems you are confused - [[Diocese of the East]] (Oriens) was a super-province, or [[Roman diocese]], within Byzantine Empire, covering the Levant. This administrative region doesn't have much to do with Christian concept of [[Diocese]], which only distantly refers to administrative organizations of the Byzantine Empire. Furthermore, actually [[Holy Land]] is a typical Christian-associated term, which is rarely used in Jewish or Muslim lexicons.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 16:19, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism|list of Judaism-related deletion discussions]]. 04:49, 2 April 2014 (UTC) [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 04:49, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Hi Greyshark, sorry to say but ''you'' are the one creating the confusion by using the ambiguous unclear term "Diocese". If you wish to create a category that will focus on your hobby horse then feel free to create [[:Category:Diocese of the East (Byzantine Empire)]] that focuses on a Byzantine POV feel free to do so, otherwise we must assume that the current name is a far better general name because it creates no confusion. Merely [[WP:LIKE|not to like]] the well-known and widely-used name [[Holy Land]] and replace it with an obscure name that causes confusion (Christian versus Byzantine/Roman) and that only you know about is not a good enough reason for this nomination. Thank you, [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 08:18, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
::::There is no confusion, because [[Diocese of the East]] was a Byzantine super-province and we should refer to its border at the time. There is no modern "diocese of the East" in politics or in Christian Churches. If you want to discuss borders of current entities in the Levant, please refer to [[:Template:Location map Israel]] (which has recently been heavily POV-edited indeed), [[:Module:Location map/data/Syria]], [[:template:Location map Lebanon]] and [[:Template:Location map Palestine]].[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 15:43, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
::::If renaming to [[:Category:Diocese of the East (Byzantine Empire)]] will solve it in your opinion, i would agree.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 15:45, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''support''' great suggestion by Izark for [[:Category:Diocese of the East (Byzantine Empire)]], which makes this clear this was an administrative division of an empire. Holy Land is just a bit too vague, better to go with more precise admin divisions.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 17:09, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I agree with IZAK.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 13:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''- well, I couldn't have said it better than IZAK. [[User:Yambaram|Yambaram]] ([[User talk:Yambaram|talk]]) 14:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' When [[Diocese of the East]] is an article that requires no disambiguation, there is no reason to disambiguate this category. We should reflect the contemporary political reality in categories. That is why things established in what is now Texas in 1825 are in [[:Category:1825 establishments in Mexico]].[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 23:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
**Johnpacklambert: So then that would again mean that there was no "Holy Land" in the time of the Byzantines, which would be an absurd assertion. You claim that: "We should reflect the contemporary political reality in categories" but beg your pardon, where does WP have such an official rule??? "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" could also be a policy to never make up rules about the "order" of things that can inherently be interpreted in dual ways, i.e. that there was a Holy Land before the Byzantines got there, there was a Holy Land during the time the Byzantines occupied the land, and there was a Holy Land there after the Byzantines were kicked out of it. The Holy Land is not "Texas"! This is because the notion of a Holy Land is far deeper in meaning it's linked to the religions of Judaism (the Children of Israel settled it and built their two temples there and much more, and it was always the Holy Land to them, they never disconnected from it ever in history) and Christianity (Jesus was born and died in the Holy Land, Crusaders went to fight for it) and it's a constant given and axiomatic presence in the Bible and the religious writings of Judaism and Christianity, holy and meaningful to millions of Jews and billions of Christian for millennia until the present day. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 06:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
***During Byzantine period there was no "Holy Land" administrative unit. There was [[Diocese of the East]] governor, sitting in Antioch and administrating the region. If i would be a Christian of that period i would go to [[Diocese of the East]] (Oriens) and enter subprovinces [[Palaestina Prima]] to visit Jerusalem, enter [[Palaestina Secunda]] to visit [[Nazareth]] and enter Phoenice subprovince to visit wonderful churches of the Syrian plateau.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 15:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Christianity|list of Christianity-related deletion discussions]]. 06:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC) [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 06:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel|list of Israel-related deletion discussions]]. 06:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC) [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 06:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Per Debresser, and Izak as well ... I'm actually surprised this would even be a nomination given the points they make.[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 08:00, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support nom''' -- I am unhappy with "Holy Land" which expresses a medieval/modern Christian POV of the area. I voted above to upmerge Israel in 4th century here, expressing that reservation. The consensus is that categories such as this should reflect contemporary polities. Some contributors may be misled by the term "diocese": this refers to a late Roman administrive unit [[Roman diocese]], not the area {[[diocese]] subject to a bishop. Province was the level below. I doubt we have enough content to need to split by province. Possibly the target should be [[:Category:Roman Diocese of the East]] or [[:Category:Byzantine Diocese of the East]]. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:33, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' [[Diocese of the East]] is well beyond the Holy Land (regardless of which side of its disputed definition one takes). [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 18:57, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
::And what are the exact borders of Holy Land in Byzantine times if i may ask? Do we include [[Acre, Israel|Acre]] in the Holy Land? How about Tyre (now in Lebanon)? St. Katarina in the Sinai peninsula?[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 19:54, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:::That's another discussion, that is irrelevant to this AfD, but is discussed at other articles/images such as [[Holy Land]] and [[:File:1759 map Holy Land and 12 Tribes.jpg]]. --[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 20:19, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

==== Category:Wainwrights ====
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Wainwrights]] - {{lc1|Wainwrights}} 
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' "A Wainwright is a fell in the English Lake District given a chapter by Alfred Wainwright in his Pictorial Guides to the Lakeland Fells. See [[list of Wainwrights]]." Poor basis for a category and redundant with the list. [[User:Tim!|Tim!]] ([[User talk:Tim!|talk]]) 05:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' those are most definitely ''not'' [[wainwright]]s. If this category is kept it needs to be renamed since it is ''not about wainwrights''. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.24.250.235|70.24.250.235]] ([[User talk:70.24.250.235|talk]]) 08:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' this is not about [[wainwright]]s. If kept it should be called [[:Category:Fells of English Lake District]], as fells are not wainwrights. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.24.250.235|70.24.250.235]] ([[User talk:70.24.250.235|talk]]) 08:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' The "fells" that Wainwright covered may be worth listing, but this listing is not defining to the fells themselves, so this is not a good way to categorize.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 20:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

==== Category:Recreational mathematics experts ====
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Recreational mathematics experts]] to [[:Category:Recreational mathematicians]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' A much more common way of describing these folks.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 00:08, 1 April 2014 (UTC) [[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 00:08, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Agree with renaming'''. Also, that way we can include people who made notable contributions to recreational mathematics without having to decide whether they are really experts or not. (We still have to decide what is recreational mathematics, not always easy, of course.) —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 01:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:::True, it could be a bit fuzzy, but I would say it's math that is described as such, or mathematical content which is principally produced for consumption by the general public or requiring no advanced training in mathematics. If someone does this for their friends at the dinner table they're not a "recreational mathematician", but if they regularly publish such works, videos, etc that are mentioned in RS, or if they are paid for the creation of such content/puzzles/etc (eg. Marvin Gardner), then they are RMs. Remember, categories are not intended to cover every job a person has done, it's really intended to cover things that are [[WP:DEFINING]] about them. i'm gonna have to go read some of your rec math pages it looks fun! :)--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 21:17, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::::The ones I think are recreational are [http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/pubs/rec.html listed here]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 00:33, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
*'''Agree with renaming'''. Professor Eppstein is one of these "experts" and he agrees. What can I say! I actually vacillated between these two names when creating the category because I feel that neither sounds exactly right.--[[User:Foobarnix|Foobarnix]] ([[User talk:Foobarnix|talk]]) 14:00, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Paamonim

2014-03-24T22:36:53Z

Shuki: rm OR again

{{Infobox non-profit
| name = Paamonim
| image =
| type =
| founded_date = {{Start date|1997|}}
| tax_id =
| registration_id =
| founders = Uriel Lederberg, Ya'akov Ya'akobovitch, and Ya'akov Friedman
| location = [[Petah Tikva]], [[Israel]]
| coordinates = 
| origins =
| key_people =
| area_served = [[Israel]]
| product =
| mission = To help families in financial difficulty regain their economic independence
| focus =
| method =
| revenue =
| endowment =
| num_volunteers = 2,000+ (2010)<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.paamonim.org/vol_reka.php |title=רוצה להתנדב |publisher=Paamonim.org |accessdate=2011-09-21}}</ref>
| num_employees =
| num_members =
| subsid =PTP (PAHAMON) : Preventive Educational Services
| opponents =
| owner =
| non-profit_slogan =
| former name =
| homepage = {{URL|http://www.paamonim.org/englishmain.php}}
| dissolved =
| footnotes =
}}
'''Paamonim''' is a [[non-profit organization]] operating in [[Israel]] aimed at assisting families in financial difficulty so that they may regain their economic independence.<ref>{{cite web|last=Kempinski |first=Yoni |url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138169#.TnfMN-wjOuI |title=Charity in the form of Knowledge – Jewish World – News |publisher=Israel National News |date=June 20, 2010 |accessdate=September 20, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Over the Top |url=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-93476999.html |author=Liat Collins |publisher=The Jerusalem Post |date=April 9, 2004}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last=Levin |first=Roni |url=http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/business/consumer-affairs-choosing-classes-is-no-child-s-play-1.7208 |title=Choosing classes is no child's play |publisher=Haaretz|date=April 2, 2008 |accessdate=September 20, 2011}}</ref>

==History==
Founded in 1997 by Uriel Lederberg, Ya'akov Ya'akobovitch, and Ya'akov Friedman,<ref name="YNET">{{cite web|title=ה"פעמונים" מצלצלים למשפחות נצרכות |url=http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3361638,00.html |date=February 8, 2007 |first=Yael |last=Ivri |language=Hebrew |publisher=Ynet}}</ref> it assisted over 2,500 families enrolled in its Economic Recovery Plan program in 2010.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.paamonim.org/englishnumbers.php |title=Numbers and achievements - The Bottom Line |publisher=Paamonim.org |date= |accessdate=2011-09-21}}</ref>

On August 9, 2010, the [[President of Israel]] recognized Paamonim as an outstanding volunteer organization.<ref>{{cite web|last=Fendel |first=Hillel |url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/139044#.TnfOFuwjOuI |title=Helping Families Avoid Poverty – Inside Israel |publisher=Israel National News |date=October 8, 2010 |accessdate=September 20, 2011}}</ref>

==Goals and actions==
Rather than provide temporary charitable relief, the organization aims to break the cycle of poverty by focusing on long-term comprehensive solutions to debt and poverty. It does this primarily through trained volunteer mentors/coaches who work with families to find better ways to manage household finances. Each volunteer or pair of volunteers works with one or two families at a time. They help the family get a clear picture of their situation, take actions to improve it, and finally advise the family on how to deal with outstanding debt and plan for the future.

At each stage the volunteer consults with senior volunteers, volunteer experts, and professional staff. The mentoring is offered free of charge.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.paamonim.org/englishmission.php |title=Paamonim |publisher=Paamonim |date= |accessdate=2011-09-21}}</ref>

In addition, financial assistance or loans may be offered when these can be useful in achieving financial stability for the family.

==PTP (PAHAMON) : Preventive Educational Services==
The organization also operates a Division called PAHAMON, which gives preventive lectures and seminars on household finance to groups.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.paamonim.org/englishservices.php |title=What Do We Do? |publisher=Paamonim.org |date= |accessdate=2011-09-21}}</ref> There is a fee for this service.
The organization is supported by donations.<ref name="YNET"/>

==References==
{{Reflist|2}}

==External links==
*[http://www.paamonim.org/englishmain.php Paamomin English website]

[[Category:Jewish community organizations]]
[[Category:Volunteer organizations of Israel]]

Category:Volunteer organizations in Israel

2014-03-22T22:21:42Z

Shuki: +he

[[Category:Volunteer organizations|Israel]]

[[he:קטגוריה:ארגונים חברתיים בישראל]]

Paamonim

2014-03-22T22:19:30Z

Shuki: rm general cat and blog

Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/header

2014-03-20T19:18:21Z

Shuki: undo. redundant to text.

{{ start tab
| link-1 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism
| tab-1 = Main
| link-2 = Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism
| tab-2 = Discussion Board
| link-3 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Members
| tab-3 = Members
| link-4 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Assessment
| tab-4 = Article Assessment
| link-5 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Templates
| tab-5 = Templates
| link-6 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Categories
| tab-6 = Categories
| link-7 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Resources
| tab-7 = Resources
| link-8 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Manual of Style
| tab-8 = Manual of Style
| link-9 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Todo
| tab-9 = To do
| link-10 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/New articles
| tab-10 = New Articles
| link-11 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Sister projects
| tab-11 = Sister Projects
| link-12 = Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Judaism recent changes
| tab-12 = Watchlist
}}<noinclude></div></div>{{doc|content=

[[Category:WikiProject tab header templates]]

}}</noinclude>

Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/header

2014-03-20T19:16:14Z

Shuki: +delsort

{{ start tab
| link-1 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism
| tab-1 = Main
| link-2 = Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism
| tab-2 = Discussion Board
| link-3 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Members
| tab-3 = Members
| link-4 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Assessment
| tab-4 = Article Assessment
| link-5 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Templates
| tab-5 = Templates
| link-6 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Categories
| tab-6 = Categories
| link-7 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Resources
| tab-7 = Resources
| link-8 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Manual of Style
| tab-8 = Manual of Style
| link-9 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Todo
| tab-9 = To do
| link-10 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/New articles
| tab-10 = New Articles
| link-11 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism
| tab-11 = Deletion Sorting
| link-12 = Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Sister projects
| tab-12 = Sister Projects
| link-13 = Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Judaism recent changes
| tab-13 = Watchlist
}}<noinclude></div></div>{{doc|content=

[[Category:WikiProject tab header templates]]

}}</noinclude>