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==Work to be done==<br />
Can someone properly add them to the list ?<br />
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*killadi- Deepan from cupertino.<br />
*dainx - thanks <br />
*saari pa - sorry<br />
*paynjikinu- pouring.<br />
*pichua - button Knife <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/121.244.55.35|121.244.55.35]] ([[User talk:121.244.55.35|talk]]) 08:43, 29 August 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
*koovikinu- keep shouting<br />
*gumm, gummeets - sooperu<br />
*gujili - hot figure, Ref: gilma<br />
*payinju - padhinaindhu - fifteen <br />
*scene - (Superlative)- nalla irukku- Really Cool (in English) eg: It's really cool that you got tickets for the concert!<br />
*Shebba/Yebba - A sound/expression Corrosponding to relief (Phew/Uff in English)<br />
Eg: "Thank God" the exams got over. Thank God corrosponds to Shebba or Yebba.<br />
*Kombu/Kokku [Literal Meaning in English- Horns/Stork] Eg: "Nee enna periya Komba?" {see paruppu}<br />
*Podang- 'Get Lost...' Eg: Podang...Nee ellam oru friend-aa?? <br />
*Colour- Used in place of 'Cool Drinks'.<br />
*Gera - Feeling dizzy -as in "ore gera irrukku"<br />
*galeeju- A person who is dirty or who has dirty thinking" <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sureshec22|Sureshec22]] ([[User talk:Sureshec22|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sureshec22|contribs]]) 09:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
*Padips- Studious Nerd<br />
*Sappai/Sappa - same as sothai?<br />
*Quarter - Used Synonymously with Liquor. 1/4 of a full bottle <br />
*Sokhakerai-you are looking beautiffuck sex<br />
*theeni pandaaram- food addict. (theeni=food)<br />
*vetti-lazy<br />
*vetti scene-showing off so much(in vain)<br />
*gilli - a person who is a aficianado at something<br />
*dabaaichikinu - an intriguing word used to describe fooling someone<br />
*Escape - Literally, to escape being punished, or more particular to certain areas, being beaten up<br />
*Area - Most commonly used to denote a geographic sphere of influence, especially in street-fights<br />
*Cutting - Used to denote half a quarter bottle of alcohol. Also pupularly called 90-cutting, denoting the measurement in ml<br />
*Cutting Dialogue - used when somebody tells extremely romantic dialogues unnecessarily<br />
* Free aa vidu or Free - let it go (don't worry abt it) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.233.252.93|98.233.252.93]] ([[User talk:98.233.252.93|talk]]) 02:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
kammanati <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/111.93.9.170|111.93.9.170]] ([[User talk:111.93.9.170|talk]]) 05:31, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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==here we go==<br />
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some more phrases in madras bashai that just glossaries,<br />
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enna maamay eppadi keeray, naasta paniya, ennatha solrathu, enga koolukay kumbi adchukunukeeran appram thanay kolambukku<br />
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this conversation always happen between fighting motorists in madras roads<br />
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driver1: dei vootanday sollikinu vanthiya saavu kriakki . . .<br />
driver2: vada engay oyallay . . . night vootanday vaada<br />
d1: roattay parthu ottu da porambaokku<br />
d2: adi serupallay nayae, oinga voodu poi saera maatay pothikinu po<br />
(since d2 is equally verbally abusive as d1, d2 will retreat)<br />
d1: ennamo po oinga ootunu sonna enna paechu paesuray . . . engayachum adi pattu setha than therium<br />
(then traffic seperates both)<br />
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in sattasabai we can find more pure madras bashay as all allagais throng there and abuse mutually each other. by the way sattasabai is the general assembly for the goverment of tamilnadu. heres a sample,<br />
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assembly head: manbumigu urpinay pichaypandian paesalam . . .<br />
pichay: engal thanay thaleevar, thanga tamilan dayanidhi aasiudan, en urai aarmbikiraen . . .<br />
(then real madras bashai comes . . .)<br />
policekaran ravussu thanga mudillay. podhu janam allam policekaran vudura ravusullay aadi poi keeranga. enna nadakuthu entha aatchilay, alli rani athiyallay keethu<br />
(this guys party members show appreciation by tapping bench)<br />
now the oppostion party head veeralalitha will get angry and stand <br />
veeralalitha: manbumigu ethirkatchi uripinarku bathil alikka virumbukiraen . . . <br />
(madras baashai starts . . .)<br />
ethi katchi kaaranungo mathiri baemani pasangalukku epdiyapatta police than layakku. mavanay neenga pulli potta nanga kolam pottuduvom, kodu potta road pottu raadu aethuvom. ummalay gamnu kunthu ellangatti un buttiya odachu nasty akiduvaen<br />
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pichay gets angry and comes in front of veeralalitha and says<br />
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== Saavugraaki!. ==<br />
One of my friends Ishwar actually explained the meaning of the term saavugraaki. He says, it is actually saavukku + girakki. By calling one 'Saavugraaki', the person means to say, "customer to death"<br />
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[[User:Harikishore|Kishore]] 10:20, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Neat-a-po? ==<br />
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The current explanation for "neat-a-po" says it comes from [[English language|English]] "neat" and [[Tamil language|Tamil]] "po". Is this correct? I thought it may also come from Tamil "neet" (meaning "length"), as in "go along the length of this road". Does anyone know its etymology for sure? -- [[User:Brhaspati|Brhaspati]] (<sup>[[User talk:Brhaspati|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brhaspati|contribs]]</sub>) 03:35, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)<br />
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Hey.. Yeah.. i strongly do feel that neat-a-po is derived from the tamil word 'Neetama' meaning long. it somehoe lost its meaning and endded up becoming straight instead of long.<br />
guess it comes from the association that long things are generally straight.<br />
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Ram<br />
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== OK...! ==<br />
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Here some words come from Hindi true.<br />
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But if you see here, the meaning is entirely difference.<br />
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Dhool, Dil ....etc.<br />
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The sound may be look like Hindi..!<br />
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:Yes, of course. But etymology doesn't always cover how a word in one language is absorbed in another language to mean something entirely different. For instance, "[[sarcophagus]]" and "[[carnivore]]" both literally mean "eater of flesh" (in [[Greek language|Greek]] and [[Latin]]), however one of those words means something completely different in [[English language|English]] (there's a long story behind it about [[Europe]]ans who discovered half-decomposed [[Egypt]]ian bodies in stone coffins). The words need not always have the same meaning. It's ok to list the origins without the history if we don't have the info available. -- [[User:Brhaspati|Brhaspati]] (<sup>[[User talk:Brhaspati|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brhaspati|contribs]]</sub>) 06:02, 2005 Mar 12 (UTC)<br />
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== more words ==<br />
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Gujaals -- to enjoy...<br />
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Dubbu -- corruption of duddu or derived from telugu Dubbu /da-bu/(money)<br />
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Maams, maame, machan ,maapii, mapillai, maaps -- tamil equivalents of dude.<br />
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podaanga - literally means "go away" but used in a sarcastic manner, when you start arguing about something.<br />
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== Kamnaati ==<br />
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The following text was added to the entry on Kamnaati. I have temporarily deleted it because it sounded like a joke and/or patent nonsense. Please discuss it here if you think it is correct and want to add it back. -- [[User:Brhaspati|Brhaspati]] (<sup>[[User talk:Brhaspati|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brhaspati|contribs]]</sub>) 00:43, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)<br />
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(Begin quoted text)<br />
:When India was under the rule of English, villagers have watched English calling their children with fond "Come Naughty boy/girl", when the children were doing some mischief. Thus the word got coined as Kam-naati, which ended up to be a word to scold. This great reasearch was carried out by Dr. Bhargava when he was resting under a coconut tree.<br />
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The above mentioned possible origin for the word can only be regarded as a joke and i hope the origin is the tamil word "kaimpendatti"<br />
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This word is derived from a pure tamil word called "KaimPen" or "KaimPendatti" meaning a widow. Its a feminine gender word and is not supposed to be used for the masculine gender. However, my guess is this word transfigured itself to 'Kamnati' to indicate a guy who is not with a wife or is scolded to lose his partner. Pretty derogatory, but most widely used.<br />
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The word's origin is actually 'Kaimpendatti', which means 'Widow'. It is an abusive word meaning fatherless. Originally it is 'Kaimpendatti Magane', which evolved as 'Kaimpendatti Paiya' for a guy and then 'kamminatti paiya'<br />
as the language evolved, finally to 'Kamminatti' and 'Kamnaati'.<br />
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== Profanity in article ==<br />
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Some anon IPs have been adding and deleting terms of profanity in the article. Please arrive at a consensus. Do add profanity if it brings out some aspect of the [[polyglot]] nature of Madras bashai. Please don't add profanity just to be profane (refer [[Wikipedia:Profanity]]). The aim of this page is not to build a "Chennai-street-fight-language to English" dictionary. Please don't delete profanity if your sole aim is to [[bowdler]]ize the article. (Refer [[Wp:wwin#Wikipedia_is_not_censored_for_the_protection_of_minors]]). -- [[User:Brhaspati|Brhaspati]] (<sup>[[User talk:Brhaspati|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brhaspati|contribs]]</sub>) 19:26, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)<br />
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== correction ==<br />
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as far as i know dubakkur is a liar. it is closer to gapsa than loosu. <br />
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== we cant forget manorama ==<br />
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Vaa vaathyarey vootanda, nee varaang-gaatti naan vudamaatean!!<br />
Jaam-bajaar jaggu, nee saidappettai kokku!! (Jaam bajaar..)<br />
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Nainaa - ....<br />
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The whole song was in Madras_Bashai. <br />
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Can some one help by not only recalling the entire original lyrics - but also help in 'translating' it for the uninitiated?<br />
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Sariba, appaalla paaklaam!!<br />
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Siridharu<br />
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== Words used in my days over there==<br />
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how about words like <br />
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jaroora,<br />
bada like in bada somberi, bada shoku<br />
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are they still in use?<br />
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antharthala ...meaning in the sky<br />
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how about these words .. are they still in use ?<br />
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sumangatiyum, salpeta, koomutai, panaadai, pardesi, isa dabaikarthu, mal vetrathu, gumnu keta, ravula koral vidarthu..<br />
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== Sumangatiyum and salpeta ==<br />
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Sumangatiyum - for no purpose whatso ever - Root is "Summa"<br />
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Salpeta is a form of alcoholic drink called "Sarayam"<br />
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== Pannadai==<br />
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Pannadai - is the fibrous structure formed in palm trees....... They were once used for filtering. As any other filter, it retains all the waste material and the good "paini" or "pathaneer" is filtered. Hence this term is used to denote a person who lets go all the good thing and retains the bad and unwanted things. For example there is an ancient tamil proverb that you should be like MURAM and not Salladai.. Muram retains the good things and lets go the waste while Salladai retains the waste and lets go the good things<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
Please use your name tags (''<name>...</name>'') and present your viewpoints and research notes.<br />
We request you to have the notes from a fellow contributor untouched. Thank you for your co-operation.<br />
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1. I havent come across profanity of such a magnitude that warrants deletion. But again that is a subjective thing. Please use your discretion and give preference to the authenticity of the words involved.<br />
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2. The influence of Urdu hasnt been given its due. Please add more on this topic. I also saw some of the 'Urdu' words being wrongly referred to as 'Hindi' (e.g Tamasha, Nastha). This needs correction.<br />
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3. I checked this up: dubbaku(r) is more 'a shady character' than a mere 'liar'.<br />
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Words added: a-haan, appaala, dum, etta, gilfans(u), jalsa, meyaluma, pista, voodu kattrathu<br />
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Words modified: baadu, bittu, ghalij, pheelings<br />
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Words to come: jutis, jute-u, nijaar, phant, philim, sok-ka, shokka, usaar<br />
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== Joke ==<br />
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Here is one joke I found on the net on madras tamil, we could use some words from this...<br />
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Micrsoft has released a Windows 2000 custom version for Tamil, starting with Chennai dialect. More custom versions for other regions to follow. This is a sample of the menus, tasks, and error messages found in it. My favourite is Zoom out.<br />
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Open = thora naina<br><br />
Close = moodikko<br><br />
Print Preview = paathu printadi<br><br />
View = looku vudu<br><br />
Cut = vetu – kuthu<br><br />
Paste = ottu<br><br />
Paste Special = nalla echcha thottu ottu<br><br />
File = failu<br><br />
Save = vechukko<br><br />
Save as = Aiye ipdi vechukko<br><br />
Save All = alaathium vechukkov <br><br />
Find = thedu<br><br />
Find Again = inoru thaba thedu<br><br />
Move = jaga vaangu<br><br />
Zoom = persa kaatu<br><br />
Zoom Out = velilavanthu persa kaatu|polanthu kaatu<br><br />
New = pucchu<br><br />
Old = palsu<br><br />
Replace = itha thooki athle podu athe thooki ithle podu<br><br />
Run = odu naina<br><br />
Execute= pottu thallu/kollu<br><br />
Tools = spanneru<br><br />
Toolsbar = spanner setu<br><br />
Exit = apeetu/odra dei<br><br />
Compress = amukipodu<br><br />
Scrollbar = inge angae aladathey <br><br />
Next = appaala<br><br />
Previous = munaagati<br><br />
Trash bin = kuppai thotti<br><br />
Drag & hold = nallaa isthu pudi<br><br />
Dou<br />
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== 10 popular words ==<br />
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1) '''sokkuda''' : good looking<br><br />
2) '''kaleej''' : ugly looking<br><br />
3) '''oothikichu''' : gone down/failed<br><br />
4) '''kalaasitaan da''' : he teased well/acted smart<br><br />
5) '''allu ille''' : scared <br><br />
6) '''kasmaalam''' : Faeces (derived from the Sanskrit Word 'Kashmal', meaning the same)<br><br />
7) '''mannu''' : dirt<br><br />
8) '''gaandu''' : angry<br><br />
9) '''bemani''' : idiot<br><br />
10)'''saarpu''' : A Smart/Bold Characteristic (derived from Sharp)<br><br />
11)'''Domaru''' : Waste dog <br><br />
12)'''Nashta''' : Breakfast <br><br />
13) '''Somberi Kaidha ''' : Lazy ass <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/182.65.69.32|182.65.69.32]] ([[User talk:182.65.69.32|talk]]) 11:07, 2 February 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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Mohan<br />
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== Vocab section ==<br />
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What happened to the huge Madras Bashai lexicon?<br />
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Restore it I say.<br />
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== Removing Vulgar words or adding another page that has all tamil bad words ==<br />
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This article depicts a form of Tamil language in detail, and that form called the "Madras Tamil" is also associated with humour, all types of audience will be interested in viewing it. In the vocabulary example and the usage part of the article there are words along with their meaning that are vulgar. This "one of a kind" article can be shared more and confidently included in chain mails, links and etc. only if these vulgar words are removed. For the completeness of this article, there can be another page created that contains the list of bad/vulgar words used in Tamil language. I need comments and POAs to resolve this issue.<br />
: I agree. We need to remove patently bad language/swear words. This article is punchy enough without such language. <b><font color="teal">[[User:Rigmahroll|ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ]]</font></b> 23:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
: Yes. I think references to gentalia and sexual acts can be avoided. <br />
This is not a "how to verbally abuse your auto driver" tutorial. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/203.101.52.212|203.101.52.212]] ([[User talk:203.101.52.212|talk]]) 20:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --><br />
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Yes. Certain words have to be removed from this article for sure. Example "Oora otha naai". It just deserve to be here in this article. May be as said, we can have a separate article for Bad words in tamil/Swear words in tamil. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/41.222.96.4|41.222.96.4]] ([[User talk:41.222.96.4|talk]]) 16:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Terrible transliteration! ==<br />
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The fact that all Tamil phrases in this article are transliterated in an ad-hoc fashion is sure to cause untold confusion to people who don't speak Tamil. I am going to work on rectifying this situation as soon as possible.<br />
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Intha article-il ellam Tamil-phrase-um ad-hoc basis-la transliterate-panni irukkunnala Tamil-pesadavargalukku romba confusion aidum. Intha situation-a speed-aa rectify-panna poren.--[[User:Skal|Siva]] 02:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== notability, OR etc ==<br />
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I've removed the long (and unmaintainable) list of words and phrases. This removes pretty much all the OR, since the grammar writeup originally was based from a quoted external link. Notability - see [[List of dialects of the English language]], the list of "Lishes" at the end. For those who don't know, Madras Tamil, Tanglish and Madras Bashai are equivalent terms in this context. -- [[User:Brhaspati|Brhaspati]]\<sup>[[User talk:Brhaspati|talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brhaspati|contribs]]</sub> 03:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
:The sole so called reference quoted in this article was infact, a dead link to a source which anyway seemed non-notable and wouldnt have passed [[WP:RS |reliable source]] clause. Removed the link and tagged the article again. And please dont point to other articles which are themselves OR or have may blue links in them which again are tagged for OR etc.,. [[:User_talk:Sarvagnya|Sarvagnya]] 05:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Jilpa ==<br />
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The word "Jilpa" needs to be added. It means "Udhaar Vudradhu" (unnecessarily showing off without any substance) Can somebody do some research on its etymology?<br />
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[[:User_talk:krishashok|Krish Ashok]]<br />
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The etymology of this word "Jilpa" can be traced back to "Thengai Srinivasan" and followed by "Chinni Jayant". Further more used by lyricists like "Gangai Amaran". I don't think the work can be narrowed down to "Udhaar Vudurathu" alone. Its colloquial. It can be used for anything in general. Like in the song.. "Ini jalsa pannunga da, gujaala jilpa kaatungada". It doesn't need any explanation. But requires a place in the article. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/41.222.96.4|41.222.96.4]] ([[User talk:41.222.96.4|talk]]) 16:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Regarding Notability ==<br />
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I will not say that this article is not notable...<br />
Madras Tamil, is one of the dialect of Tamil... just like Srilankan Tamil.<br />
May be we can have a page like [[List of Tamil Language Dialects]] and add these two into it?<br />
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Regarding.. OR, Yes.. this page is full of OR.. a clean up is required.<br />
Please tell me your views,<br />
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I'll be removing the notability tag after 5 days of this message.<br />
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[[User:Mugunth Kumar|Mugunth]] 01:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Examples list ==<br />
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The list of examples has grown to such an extent that, this page becomes more like a Madras Tamil dictionary and less of an Encyclopedic article.<br />
An encyclopedic article should not contain list of examples, but should illustrate how a slang is gets changed. I prefer removing the complete list of examples from this article. What do u ppl have?<br />
[[User:Mugunth Kumar|Mugunth]] 17:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Well, yes, a separate comprehensive article covering all the Madras lingo will be nice. However, this article should be comprehensive and people shouldn't delete profanity and words which they are squeamish about. The whole idea of Wikipedia is to provide ALL known information on a topic and not to police the information because of its lack of aesthetic appeal. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.131.202.209|24.131.202.209]] ([[User talk:24.131.202.209|talk]]) 08:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== |Notable=March 2007 removed ==<br />
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I fail to see why this article would not meet the criteria for notability. There are articles for varieties such as [[Yorkshire English]], [[Verlan]] and [[Brummagem]], which are probably spoken by less people. Furthermore, there are articles on other mixed systems like [[Russenorsk]] or [[Media Lengua]], so I do not see why Madras Tamil should be less notable than those.<br />
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As a sidenote I would like to point out that one of the advantages of the internet and wikipedia is that people can contribute knowledge of local facts, in this case Chennai dwellers about Madras Tamil. We must not forget that publication of dialect surveys is mainly a Western developed world business. As a matter of fact, there is probably much less material on all Indian languages together than on all British dialects together. Should this mean that wp should continue to underrepresent non-Western languages and cultures? Certainly not. I would therefore suggest to interpret WP:NOR less strictly for topics dealing with local matters of developing countries where very often academic sources are scarce<br />
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Still, I agree that this article definitely needs further editing for quality [[User:Jasy jatere|Jasy jatere]] 11:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==WikiProject Dravidian civilizations==<br />
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== Madras Tamil not spoken in Madras - Will confuse visitors ==<br />
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Madras Tamil has almost vanished from Madras/Chennai with large scale migration from other parts of Tamil nadu. Only a few words are used today. It is irrelevant today. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Shaan1616|Shaan1616]] ([[User talk:Shaan1616|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shaan1616|contribs]]) 00:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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i agree--[[User talk:R.srinivaas ]] 10:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I completely agree. But be accurate in your words. Madras Tamil is not a language and its just a dialect spoken for few decades by few people, not all spoke it. It was neither used formally not widespread. It had only few additional words and differing little bit from standard tamil. Thats it. It was a not a language to be vanished!. And now, as you said, due to large immigration of people from other parts of tamilnadu and the formal tamil used by chennai corporation, these words went out of use.<br />
'''<br />
Hence, the article should contain:<br />
* Dialect Spoken only by few fisherman and immigrants, not all.<br />
* Not used in majority of films. But in some films.<br />
* Manorama, kamal haasan didnt spoke madras tamil, spoke it in a single tamil film.<br />
* Most words are not used even before, not popular. ONly some words mentioned were spoken before, and few are spoken till today.'''<br />
--[[User:தமிழ்க்குரிசில்|தமிழ்க்குரிசில்]] ([[User talk:தமிழ்க்குரிசில்|talk]]) 07:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==Origin of "Bhasha"?==<br />
Bhasha has its root in Tamil as follows:<br />
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Bhasha from Pesu(speak) from Easu(speak) from <br />
Osay (sound) from "oos"(a type of sound). <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Na Chozhan|Na Chozhan]] ([[User talk:Na Chozhan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Na Chozhan|contribs]]) 07:42, 15 November 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Derivatives from other Dravidian languages and use of International transcription ==<br />
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(i) The word 'kuntu' is cemmozhi (Classical Tamil); please be careful when ascribing derivations from other Dravidian languages (ii) Please use the standard International transcription (i.e. no bhayam instead of payam, please)</div>Skandan07https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajeev_Suri&diff=700412893Rajeev Suri2016-01-18T10:32:46Z<p>Skandan07: source for nationality</p>
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<div>{{Infobox person<br />
| name = Rajeev Suri<br />
| image =<br />
| birth_date = {{Birth date and age|1967|10|10}}<br />
| birth_place = [[New Delhi]], [[India]] <br />
| nationality = [[Singapore|Singaporean]]<ref>{{cite web|url=http://company.nokia.com/sites/default/files/download/rajeev_suri_ceo_cv.pdf|title=Rajeev Suri CEO, CV - Nokia|work=Nokia.com}}</ref><br />
| home_town = [[New Delhi]]<br />
| residence = [[Espoo]], [[Finland]]<br />
| religion = [[Hinduism]] <br />
| alma_mater = [[Manipal Institute of Technology]] <br />
| occupation = CEO of Nokia <br />
| employer = [[Nokia]]<br />
| spouse = Nina Alag Suri (married 1992)<br />
| children = 2<br />
}}<br />
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'''Rajeev Suri''' ({{lang-hi|राजीव सूरी}}; born 1967) is the [[chief executive officer]] of [[Nokia]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world-news/nokia-india-born-rajeev-suri-tipped-to-become-next-ceo_1054263.html|title=Nokia: India-born Rajeev Suri tipped to become next global CEO - Moneycontrol.com|work=moneycontrol.com}}</ref><ref name="bp">{{cite web|title=Meet Rajiv Suri, the new Chief Executive Officer of Nokia|url=http://news.biharprabha.com/2014/04/meet-rajiv-suri-the-new-chief-executive-officer-of-nokia/|work=IANS|publisher=news.biharprabha.com|accessdate=29 April 2014}}</ref> Before the current assignment in May 2014, he was the CEO of [[Nokia Solutions and Networks]] since 2009 and held various positions in Nokia since 1995.<ref name=WSJ>{{cite news | title = Nokia Siemens Networks appoints Rajeev Suri CEO | date = Sep 1, 2009 | url = http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nokia-siemens-networks-appoints-rajeev-suri-ceo-2009-09-01 | work = [[Wall Street Journal]] | accessdate = 2011-11-24}}</ref><ref name=livemint>{{cite news | title = Rajeev Suri named Nokia Siemens CEO | date = Sep 1, 2009 | url = http://www.livemint.com/2009/09/01232340/Rajeev-Suri-named-Nokia-Siemen.html | work = [[Live Mint]] | accessdate = 2011-11-24}}</ref> Suri became the CEO of Nokia when the sale of Nokia's phone division to [[Microsoft Mobile]] was completed. He has a [[Bachelor of Engineering]] from [[Manipal Institute of Technology]] and worked for multinational corporations in [[India]] and [[Nigeria]], before joining Nokia.<ref>{{cite web | title = Nokia Group Leadership Team | publisher = Nokia | accessdate = 2014-05-04 | url = http://company.nokia.com/en/about-us/corporate-governance/nokia-group-leadership-team}}</ref><br />
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==Early life==<br />
Rajeev Suri was born in [[New Delhi]] in 1967 to parents Yashpal and Asha. Suri's father was from the [[Punjab region]] but in 1958 his parents had moved from [[India]] to [[Kuwait]], where his entrepreneur father had a car imports business and where Suri was raised until 1985. He spoke [[Hindi]] at home, went to school in English and learned to read and write [[Arabic]].<ref name=HS>{{cite news|title=Nokian toimitusjohtaja Rajeev Suri – 1 500 vatsalihasliikkeen mies|url=http://www.hs.fi/sunnuntai/Nokian+toimitusjohtaja+Rajeev+Suri++1500+vatsalihasliikkeen+mies/a1399084848829|newspaper=[[Helsingin Sanomat]]|date=4 May 2014|author=Antti Miettinen|author2=Petri Sajari|language=Finnish}}</ref><br />
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Suri studied Electronics and Communications Engineering in the [[Manipal Institute of Technology]], India (class of 1989).<ref>{{cite web | url = http://nsn.com/about-us/company/executive-board/chief-executive-officer | title = Nokia Solutions and Networks - Rajeev Suri Biography}}</ref><br />
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==Career==<br />
Before joining the Nokia group, Suri had worked for Calcom Electronics and [[International Computers Limited|ICL]] in India as well as for Churchgate Group in [[Nigeria]].<ref name=businessweek/><ref name=bio2/><ref name=bio/><br />
<br />
In 1995, Suri joined the Nokia group. Suri was instrumental in driving the Nokia Siemens Networks’ Services business unit's revenue in the company to grow from less than a third to about half.<ref name=bio2/><ref name=bio>{{cite web | url = http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/news-events/press-room/press-releases/rajeev-suri-appointed-chief-executive-officer-of-nokia-siemens | title = Rajeev Suri appointed Chief Executive Officer of Nokia Siemens Networks; Simon Beresford-Wylie to step down after successfully leading the company's integration| date=September 1, 2009 |accessdate = 2011-11-24 | publisher = [[Nokia Siemens Networks]]}}</ref> Suri motivated the company to create a new Services hub in India. Before heading Services, Suri headed the Asia Pacific operations from April 2007 until November 2007. From 1995 to March 2007, Suri worked on a number of assignments at Nokia Networks in Business Development, Marketing, Sales, Strategy from India, Finland, the United Kingdom and Singapore.<ref name=bio2/><ref name=bio/><br />
<br />
Suri followed [[Simon Beresford-Wylie]] as the CEO of NSN in October 2009 after Nokia Networks and Siemens Networks had been merged. He is considered a 'turnaround specialist' in the global tech circles.<br />
<br />
On November 23, 2011, Suri announced that the company planned to eliminate 17,000 jobs by the end of 2013 to enable NSN to refocus on mobile broadband equipment, the fastest-growing segment of the market. The reductions would slash the company’s work force by 23 percent from 74,000. The cuts followed NSN’s $1.2 billion purchase of [[Motorola]]’s mobile network equipment business in July 2010, which added staff; and would help the company trim annual operating expenses by $1.35 billion by the end of 2013.<ref>{{cite news | first = Kevin J. | last = O’Brien | title = Nokia Siemens to Cut 23 Percent of Work Force | date = November 23, 2011 | url = http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/24/technology/nokia-siemens-to-cut-23-percent-of-work-force.html | work = [[New York Times]] | accessdate = 2011-11-24}}</ref><br />
<br />
On 29 April 2014, Suri was appointed as the CEO of [[Nokia]].<ref name="bp"/> This was after Nokia had bought back full control of NSN and sold Nokia's phone division to [[Microsoft Mobile]].<br />
<br />
Suri is one of those rare top corporate executives who have achieved heights without pursuing any MBA/PG degree.<ref name=ET>{{cite news | title = We are number 1 gearmaker in India: Rajeev Suri, CEO, Nokia Siemens Networks | date = May 18, 2011 | url = http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-05-18/news/29556118_1_nsn-nokia-siemens-networks-ceo-rajeev-suri | work = [[The Economic Times|Economic Times]] | accessdate = 2011-11-24}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | first = Joji Thomas | last = Philip | title = Turnaround has resulted in PE interest: Rajeev Suri, CEO, Nokia Siemens | date = Oct 5, 2010 | url = http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-10-05/news/27621081_1_nsn-nokia-siemens-rajeev-suri | work = Economic Times | accessdate = 2011-12-02}}</ref><br />
<br />
==Personal life==<br />
Suri is based in [[Espoo]], [[Finland]], Nokia headquarters. His wife Nina Alag Suri is the founder and CEO of the [[executive search]] business Nastrac Group. His younger son Anish (18 years) is based in [[Singapore]] but now studies business at The University of Edinburgh. His elder son Ankit (22 years) is studying music composition in [[Boston]] at [[Berklee College of Music]].<ref name="HS"/><ref>{{cite web | url = http://www.itu.int/tlc/WORLD2009/forum/participants/submissions/auth/19117/bio_19117.doc | title = Rajeev Suri | accessdate = 2011-11-24}}</ref><ref name=businessweek>{{cite web | url = http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=36512578&ticker=SIE:GR&previousCapId=766444&previousTitle=Nokia%20Networks%2C%20Inc. | title = Bloomberg Businessweek - Rajeev Suri | accessdate = 2011-12-02}}</ref><ref name=bio2>{{cite web | url = http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/news-events/press-room/collateral/executive-management-team/chief-executive-officer | title = Chief Executive Officer | accessdate = 2011-11-24 | publisher = [[Nokia Siemens Networks]]}}</ref><ref name=bio/><ref>{{cite web|url=http://forinnovations.org/forum/speakers/suri-suri/|title=Rajeev Suri|work=forinnovations.org}}</ref> He has lived in 7 countries including India, Kuwait, Finland, UK, Nigeria, Germany and Singapore.<br />
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Suri is a fitness enthusiast. He is an avid music lover.{{Citation needed|date=August 2015}}<br />
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[[Category:Indian expatriates in Nigeria]]<br />
[[Category:Indian expatriates in Kuwait]]<br />
[[Category:Indian expatriates in Finland]]</div>Skandan07https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajeev_Suri&diff=700411454Rajeev Suri2016-01-18T10:18:16Z<p>Skandan07: changed nationality</p>
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<div>{{Infobox person<br />
| name = Rajeev Suri<br />
| image =<br />
| birth_date = {{Birth date and age|1967|10|10}}<br />
| birth_place = [[New Delhi]], [[India]] <br />
| nationality = [[Singapore|Singaporean]]<br />
| home_town = [[New Delhi]]<br />
| residence = [[Espoo]], [[Finland]]<br />
| religion = [[Hinduism]] <br />
| alma_mater = [[Manipal Institute of Technology]] <br />
| occupation = CEO of Nokia <br />
| employer = [[Nokia]]<br />
| spouse = Nina Alag Suri (married 1992)<br />
| children = 2<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Rajeev Suri''' ({{lang-hi|राजीव सूरी}}; born 1967) is the [[chief executive officer]] of [[Nokia]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world-news/nokia-india-born-rajeev-suri-tipped-to-become-next-ceo_1054263.html|title=Nokia: India-born Rajeev Suri tipped to become next global CEO - Moneycontrol.com|work=moneycontrol.com}}</ref><ref name="bp">{{cite web|title=Meet Rajiv Suri, the new Chief Executive Officer of Nokia|url=http://news.biharprabha.com/2014/04/meet-rajiv-suri-the-new-chief-executive-officer-of-nokia/|work=IANS|publisher=news.biharprabha.com|accessdate=29 April 2014}}</ref> Before the current assignment in May 2014, he was the CEO of [[Nokia Solutions and Networks]] since 2009 and held various positions in Nokia since 1995.<ref name=WSJ>{{cite news | title = Nokia Siemens Networks appoints Rajeev Suri CEO | date = Sep 1, 2009 | url = http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nokia-siemens-networks-appoints-rajeev-suri-ceo-2009-09-01 | work = [[Wall Street Journal]] | accessdate = 2011-11-24}}</ref><ref name=livemint>{{cite news | title = Rajeev Suri named Nokia Siemens CEO | date = Sep 1, 2009 | url = http://www.livemint.com/2009/09/01232340/Rajeev-Suri-named-Nokia-Siemen.html | work = [[Live Mint]] | accessdate = 2011-11-24}}</ref> Suri became the CEO of Nokia when the sale of Nokia's phone division to [[Microsoft Mobile]] was completed. He has a [[Bachelor of Engineering]] from [[Manipal Institute of Technology]] and worked for multinational corporations in [[India]] and [[Nigeria]], before joining Nokia.<ref>{{cite web | title = Nokia Group Leadership Team | publisher = Nokia | accessdate = 2014-05-04 | url = http://company.nokia.com/en/about-us/corporate-governance/nokia-group-leadership-team}}</ref><br />
<br />
==Early life==<br />
Rajeev Suri was born in [[New Delhi]] in 1967 to parents Yashpal and Asha. Suri's father was from the [[Punjab region]] but in 1958 his parents had moved from [[India]] to [[Kuwait]], where his entrepreneur father had a car imports business and where Suri was raised until 1985. He spoke [[Hindi]] at home, went to school in English and learned to read and write [[Arabic]].<ref name=HS>{{cite news|title=Nokian toimitusjohtaja Rajeev Suri – 1 500 vatsalihasliikkeen mies|url=http://www.hs.fi/sunnuntai/Nokian+toimitusjohtaja+Rajeev+Suri++1500+vatsalihasliikkeen+mies/a1399084848829|newspaper=[[Helsingin Sanomat]]|date=4 May 2014|author=Antti Miettinen|author2=Petri Sajari|language=Finnish}}</ref><br />
<br />
Suri studied Electronics and Communications Engineering in the [[Manipal Institute of Technology]], India (class of 1989).<ref>{{cite web | url = http://nsn.com/about-us/company/executive-board/chief-executive-officer | title = Nokia Solutions and Networks - Rajeev Suri Biography}}</ref><br />
<br />
==Career==<br />
Before joining the Nokia group, Suri had worked for Calcom Electronics and [[International Computers Limited|ICL]] in India as well as for Churchgate Group in [[Nigeria]].<ref name=businessweek/><ref name=bio2/><ref name=bio/><br />
<br />
In 1995, Suri joined the Nokia group. Suri was instrumental in driving the Nokia Siemens Networks’ Services business unit's revenue in the company to grow from less than a third to about half.<ref name=bio2/><ref name=bio>{{cite web | url = http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/news-events/press-room/press-releases/rajeev-suri-appointed-chief-executive-officer-of-nokia-siemens | title = Rajeev Suri appointed Chief Executive Officer of Nokia Siemens Networks; Simon Beresford-Wylie to step down after successfully leading the company's integration| date=September 1, 2009 |accessdate = 2011-11-24 | publisher = [[Nokia Siemens Networks]]}}</ref> Suri motivated the company to create a new Services hub in India. Before heading Services, Suri headed the Asia Pacific operations from April 2007 until November 2007. From 1995 to March 2007, Suri worked on a number of assignments at Nokia Networks in Business Development, Marketing, Sales, Strategy from India, Finland, the United Kingdom and Singapore.<ref name=bio2/><ref name=bio/><br />
<br />
Suri followed [[Simon Beresford-Wylie]] as the CEO of NSN in October 2009 after Nokia Networks and Siemens Networks had been merged. He is considered a 'turnaround specialist' in the global tech circles.<br />
<br />
On November 23, 2011, Suri announced that the company planned to eliminate 17,000 jobs by the end of 2013 to enable NSN to refocus on mobile broadband equipment, the fastest-growing segment of the market. The reductions would slash the company’s work force by 23 percent from 74,000. The cuts followed NSN’s $1.2 billion purchase of [[Motorola]]’s mobile network equipment business in July 2010, which added staff; and would help the company trim annual operating expenses by $1.35 billion by the end of 2013.<ref>{{cite news | first = Kevin J. | last = O’Brien | title = Nokia Siemens to Cut 23 Percent of Work Force | date = November 23, 2011 | url = http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/24/technology/nokia-siemens-to-cut-23-percent-of-work-force.html | work = [[New York Times]] | accessdate = 2011-11-24}}</ref><br />
<br />
On 29 April 2014, Suri was appointed as the CEO of [[Nokia]].<ref name="bp"/> This was after Nokia had bought back full control of NSN and sold Nokia's phone division to [[Microsoft Mobile]].<br />
<br />
Suri is one of those rare top corporate executives who have achieved heights without pursuing any MBA/PG degree.<ref name=ET>{{cite news | title = We are number 1 gearmaker in India: Rajeev Suri, CEO, Nokia Siemens Networks | date = May 18, 2011 | url = http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-05-18/news/29556118_1_nsn-nokia-siemens-networks-ceo-rajeev-suri | work = [[The Economic Times|Economic Times]] | accessdate = 2011-11-24}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | first = Joji Thomas | last = Philip | title = Turnaround has resulted in PE interest: Rajeev Suri, CEO, Nokia Siemens | date = Oct 5, 2010 | url = http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-10-05/news/27621081_1_nsn-nokia-siemens-rajeev-suri | work = Economic Times | accessdate = 2011-12-02}}</ref><br />
<br />
==Personal life==<br />
Suri is based in [[Espoo]], [[Finland]], Nokia headquarters. His wife Nina Alag Suri is the founder and CEO of the [[executive search]] business Nastrac Group. His younger son Anish (18 years) is based in [[Singapore]] but now studies business at The University of Edinburgh. His elder son Ankit (22 years) is studying music composition in [[Boston]] at [[Berklee College of Music]].<ref name="HS"/><ref>{{cite web | url = http://www.itu.int/tlc/WORLD2009/forum/participants/submissions/auth/19117/bio_19117.doc | title = Rajeev Suri | accessdate = 2011-11-24}}</ref><ref name=businessweek>{{cite web | url = http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=36512578&ticker=SIE:GR&previousCapId=766444&previousTitle=Nokia%20Networks%2C%20Inc. | title = Bloomberg Businessweek - Rajeev Suri | accessdate = 2011-12-02}}</ref><ref name=bio2>{{cite web | url = http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/news-events/press-room/collateral/executive-management-team/chief-executive-officer | title = Chief Executive Officer | accessdate = 2011-11-24 | publisher = [[Nokia Siemens Networks]]}}</ref><ref name=bio/><ref>{{cite web|url=http://forinnovations.org/forum/speakers/suri-suri/|title=Rajeev Suri|work=forinnovations.org}}</ref> He has lived in 7 countries including India, Kuwait, Finland, UK, Nigeria, Germany and Singapore.<br />
<br />
Suri is a fitness enthusiast. He is an avid music lover.{{Citation needed|date=August 2015}}<br />
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==References==<br />
{{Reflist}}<br />
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{{s-ttl | title=[[Nokia Corporation]] CEO | years=2014–}}<br />
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{{s-ttl | title=[[Nokia Solutions and Networks]] CEO | years=2009–}}<br />
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[[Category:Indian chief executives]]<br />
[[Category:Punjabi people]]<br />
[[Category:People from New Delhi]]<br />
[[Category:Indian expatriates in Nigeria]]<br />
[[Category:Indian expatriates in Kuwait]]<br />
[[Category:Indian expatriates in Finland]]</div>Skandan07