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'''Quiet quitting''' is a term originally coined at a Texas A&M economics symposium on diminishing ambitions in Venezuela on September 17, 2009, by Economist Mark Boldger and a term often used by best selling authors Nick Adams and Economist Thomas Sowell. The trend further takes its roots in the Chinese trend of [[Tang ping]] which began in early 2021.<ref name=":0" /> Its use gained popularity in numerous publications following a viral [[TikTok]] video in mid-2022. The philosophy of quiet quitting is not abruptly leaving a job but doing [[Work-to-rule|exactly what the job requires, no more no less]].<ref>Multiple sources:<br />
*{{Cite web |date=2022-08-06 |title=Quiet quitting: why doing the bare minimum at work has gone global |url=https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/aug/06/quiet-quitting-why-doing-the-bare-minimum-at-work-has-gone-global |access-date=2022-08-12 |website=the Guardian |language=en}}<br />
*{{Cite web |last=Bakshi |first=Pema |title=In Defence Of ‘Quiet Quitting’ Your Job |url=https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/quiet-quitting-job |access-date=2022-08-12 |website=www.refinery29.com |language=en-GB}}<br />
*{{Cite web |last=Scott |first=Ellen |date=2022-07-29 |title=Could 'quiet quitting' your job be the answer to burnout? What you need to know |url=https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/29/could-the-quiet-quitting-trend-be-the-answer-to-burnout-what-you-need-to-know-17085827/ |access-date=2022-08-12 |website=Metro |language=en}}<br />
*{{Cite news |last=Yang |first=Lindsay Ellis and Angela |date=2022-08-12 |title=If Your Co-Workers Are ‘Quiet Quitting,’ Here’s What That Means |language=en-US |work=The Wall Street Journal |url=https://www.wsj.com/articles/if-your-gen-z-co-workers-are-quiet-quitting-heres-what-that-means-11660260608 |access-date=2022-08-12 |issn=0099-9660}}</ref> The main objective of this mindset is avoiding [[occupational burnout]] and paying more attention to one's mental health and personal [[well-being]].<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Kolev |first=Galin |date=2022-08-16 |title=What Is "Quiet Quitting" (And Should You Join The Trend) |url=https://officetopics.com/what-is-quiet-quitting/ |access-date=2022-08-18 |publisher=Officetopics.com |language=en-us}}</ref> Proponents of quiet-quitting refer to it as '''acting your wage'''.<ref>{{cite news |title='Business' |url=https://www.economist.com/the-world-this-week/2022/09/01/business |access-date=3 September 2022 |publisher="The Economist" |date=1 September 2022}}</ref><br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[Great Resignation]]<br />
* [[Slowdown]]<br />
* [[Work-to-rule]]<br />
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{{Infobox spaceflight<br />
| name = Apollo 11<br />
| image = Apollo 11 first step.jpg<br />
| image_caption = [[Neil Armstrong]] descends a ladder to become the first human to step onto the surface of the Moon<br />
| insignia = Apollo_11_insignia.png<br />
| insignia_alt = Circular insignia: Eagle with wings outstretched holds olive branch on Moon with earth in background, in blue and gold border.<br />
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| mission_type = Manned lunar landing<br />
| operator = [[NASA]]<ref name="Orloff">{{cite book |last=Orloff |first=Richard W. |title=Apollo by the Numbers: A Statistical Reference |url=http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4029/SP-4029.htm |accessdate=June 12, 2013 |series=NASA History Series |origyear=First published 2000 |date=September 2004 |work=NASA History Division, Office of Policy and Plans |publisher=[[NASA]] |location=Washington, D.C. |isbn=0-16-050631-X |lccn=00-061677 |id=NASA SP-2000-4029 |chapter=Table of Contents |chapterurl=http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4029/Apollo_00g_Table_of_Contents.htm}}</ref><br />
| COSPAR_ID = CSM: 1969-059A<br/>LM: 1959-059C<br />
| SATCAT = CSM: 4039<br/>LM: 4041<br />
| mission_duration = 8&nbsp;days, 3&nbsp;hours, 18&nbsp;minutes, 35&nbsp;seconds<br />
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| spacecraft = [[Apollo Command/Service Module|Apollo CSM]]-107<br/>[[Apollo Lunar Module|Apollo LM]]-5<br />
| manufacturer = CSM: [[Rockwell International|North American Rockwell]]<br/>LM: [[Grumman]]<br />
| launch_mass = CM: {{convert|12,250|lb|kg|disp=flip}}<br/>SM: {{convert|51,243|lb|kg|disp=flip}}<br/>LM: {{convert|33,278|lb|kg|disp=flip}}<br />
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| launch_date = {{start-date|July 16, 1969, 13:32:00|timezone=yes}}&nbsp;UTC<br />
| launch_rocket = [[Saturn V]] SA-506<br />
| launch_site = [[Kennedy Space Center|Kennedy]] [[Kennedy Space Center Launch Complex 39|LC-39A]]<br />
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| landing_date = {{end-date|July 24, 1969, 16:50:35|timezone=yes}}&nbsp;UTC<ref name="Apollo 11 Mission Report" /><br />
| landing_site = North Pacific Ocean<br/>{{Coord|13|19|N|169|9|W|type:event|name=Apollo 11 splashdown}}<ref name="Apollo 11 Mission Report" /><br />
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| orbit_epoch = July 19, 1969, 21:44&nbsp;UTC<ref name="orbit">{{cite web|url=http://airandspace.si.edu/explore-and-learn/topics/apollo/as11/a11sum.htm|title=Apollo 11 Mission Summary|publisher=Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum|work=The Apollo Program|accessdate=September 7, 2013}}</ref><br />
| orbit_reference = [[selenocentric orbit|Selenocentric]]<br />
| orbit_periapsis = {{convert|54.5|nmi|km|disp=flip|sp=us}}<ref name="orbit"/><br />
| orbit_apoapsis = {{convert|66.1|nmi|km|disp=flip|sp=us}}<ref name="orbit"/><br />
| orbit_inclination = 1.25&nbsp;degrees<ref name="orbit"/><br />
| orbit_period = 2&nbsp;hours<ref name="orbit"/><br />
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|object = [[Moon|Lunar]]<br />
|component = [[Apollo Command/Service Module|Command/Service Module]]<br />
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|arrival_date = July 19, 1969, 17:21:50&nbsp;UTC<ref name="A11timeline"/><br />
|departure_date = July 22, 1969, 04:55:42&nbsp;UTC<ref name="A11timeline"/><br />
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|type = lander<br />
|object = [[Moon|Lunar]]<br />
|component = [[Apollo Lunar Module|Lunar Module]]<br />
|arrival_date = July 20, 1969, 20:17:40&nbsp;UTC<ref name="ALSJ 1" /><br />
|departure_date = July 21, 1969, 17:54&nbsp;UTC<br />
|location = Mare Tranquillitatis<br/>{{Lunar coords and quad cat|0.67408|N|23.47297|E}}<ref>{{cite web|url=http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/lunar_sites.html|title=Apollo Landing Site Coordinates|publisher=US National Space Science Data Center|first=Ed|last=Grayzeck|date=December 11, 2003|accessdate=September 7, 2013}}</ref><br />
|sample_mass = {{convert|47.5|lb|kg|disp=flip}}<br />
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| docking_type = dock<br />
| docking_date = July 21, 1969, 21:35:00&nbsp;UTC<ref name="A11timeline"/><br />
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| crew_members = [[Neil Armstrong|Neil A. Armstrong]]<br/>[[Michael Collins (astronaut)|Michael Collins]]<br/>[[Buzz Aldrin|Edwin E. "Buzz" Aldrin, Jr.]]<br />
| crew_callsign = CSM: ''Columbia''<br/>LM: ''Eagle''<br/>On surface: ''[[Tranquility Base]]''<br />
| crew_photo = apollo_11.jpg<br />
| crew_photo_caption = Left to right: [[Neil Armstrong|Armstrong]], [[Michael Collins (astronaut)|Collins]], [[Buzz Aldrin|Aldrin]]<br />
| crew_photo_alt = Three astronauts in spacesuits without helmets sitting in front of a large photo of the Moon.<br />
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| next_mission = [[Apollo 12]]<br />
| programme = [[Apollo program|Project Apollo]]<br/><small>Manned missions</small><br />
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'''Apollo 11''' was the [[spaceflight]] that [[Moon landing|landed]] the first humans on the [[Moon]], Americans [[Neil Armstrong]] and [[Buzz Aldrin]], on July 20, 1969, at 20:18 [[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]]. Armstrong became the first to step onto the lunar surface six hours later on July 21 at 02:56 UTC. Armstrong spent about two and a half hours outside the spacecraft, Aldrin slightly less, and together they collected {{convert|47.5|lb|kg}} of lunar material for return to Earth. A third member of the mission, [[Michael Collins (astronaut)|Michael Collins]], piloted the [[Apollo Command/Service Module|command spacecraft]] alone in lunar orbit until Armstrong and Aldrin returned to it just under a day later for the trip back to Earth.<br />
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Launched by a [[Saturn V]] rocket from [[Kennedy Space Center]] in [[Merritt Island, Florida]], on July 16, Apollo 11 was the fifth manned mission of [[NASA]]'s [[Apollo program]]. The Apollo [[Apollo (spacecraft)|spacecraft]] had three parts: a [[Command Module#Command Module (CM)|Command Module]] (CM) with a cabin for the three astronauts, and the only part that landed back on Earth; a [[Command Module#Service Module (SM)|Service Module]] (SM), which supported the Command Module with propulsion, electrical power, oxygen, and water; and a [[Apollo Lunar Module|Lunar Module]] (LM) for landing on the Moon. After being sent toward the Moon by the Saturn V's upper stage, the astronauts separated the spacecraft from it and traveled for three days until they entered into lunar orbit. Armstrong and Aldrin then moved into the Lunar Module and landed in the [[Mare Tranquillitatis|Sea of Tranquility]]. They stayed a total of about 21½ hours on the lunar surface. After lifting off in the upper part of the Lunar Module and rejoining Collins in the Command Module, they returned to Earth and landed in the [[Pacific Ocean]] on July 24.<br />
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Broadcast on live TV to a world-wide audience, Armstrong stepped onto the lunar surface and described the event as "one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind." Apollo 11 effectively ended the [[Space Race]] and fulfilled a national goal proposed in 1961 by the late [[President of the United States|US President]] [[John F. Kennedy]] in a speech before the [[United States Congress]], "before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth."<ref>{{Cite news |url=http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/space/05/25/kennedy.moon/ |title=Man on the Moon: Kennedy speech ignited the dream |work=CNN |last=Stenger |first=Richard |date=May 25, 2001 |archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/20100606035837/http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/space/05/25/kennedy.moon/ |archivedate=June 6, 2010}}</ref><br />
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|crew2_up = [[Michael Collins (astronaut)|Michael Collins]]<br />
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|crew3_up = [[Buzz Aldrin|Edwin "Buzz" E. Aldrin, Jr.]]<br />
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Each crewman of Apollo 11 had made a spaceflight before this mission, making it only the second all-veteran crew (the other being [[Apollo 10]]) in human spaceflight history.<ref>{{cite book |last1=Brooks |first1=Courtney G. |last2=Grimwood |first2=James M. |last3=Swenson |first3=Loyd S., Jr. |others=Foreword by [[Samuel C. Phillips]] |title=Chariots for Apollo: A History of Manned Lunar Spacecraft |url=http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4205/cover.html |accessdate=July 20, 2010 |series=NASA History Series |year=1979 |publisher=Scientific and Technical Information Branch, NASA |location=Washington, D.C. |isbn=978-0-486-46756-6 |oclc=4664449 |lccn=79-1042 |id=NASA SP-4205 |chapter=Setting the Stage |chapterurl=http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4205/ch12-6.html}}</ref><br />
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Collins was originally slated to be the Command Module Pilot (CMP) on [[Apollo 8]] but was removed when he required surgery on his back and was replaced by [[Jim Lovell]], his backup for that flight. After Collins was medically cleared, he took what would have been Lovell's spot on Apollo 11; as a veteran of Apollo 8, Lovell was transferred to Apollo 11's backup crew, but promoted to backup commander.<br />
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|position1 = Commander<br />
|crew1_up = [[Jim Lovell|James A. Lovell, Jr.]]<br />
|position2 = Command Module Pilot<br />
|crew2_up = [[William Anders|William A. Anders]]<br />
|position3 = Lunar Module Pilot<br />
|crew3_up = [[Fred Haise|Fred W. Haise, Jr.]]<br />
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In early 1969, Anders accepted a job with the [[National Space Council]] effective August 1969 and announced that he would retire as an astronaut on that date. At that point [[Ken Mattingly]] was moved from the support crew into parallel training with Anders as backup Command Module Pilot in case Apollo 11 was delayed past its intended July launch (at which point Anders would be unavailable if needed) and would later join Lovell's crew and ultimately be assigned as the original [[Apollo 13]] CMP.<ref>{{cite book |title=Deke! U.S. Manned Space: From Mercury to the Shuttle |last1=Slayton |first1=Donald K. "Deke" |authorlink1=Deke Slayton |last2=Cassutt |first2=Michael |authorlink2=Michael Cassutt |year=1994 |edition=1st |publisher=[[Tor Books|Forge]] |location=New York |isbn=0-312-85503-6 |oclc=29845663 |lccn=94-2463 |page=237}}</ref><br />
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[[Image:Duke, Lovell and Haise at the Apollo 11 Capcom, Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas - 19690720.jpg|thumb|Duke, Lovell, and Haise at the Apollo 11 CAPCOM]]<br />
*[[Charles Duke|Charlie Duke]], [[Capsule communicator|Capsule Communicator (CAPCOM)]]<br />
*[[Ronald Evans (astronaut)|Ronald Evans]] (CAPCOM)<br />
*[[Owen K. Garriott]] (CAPCOM)<br />
*[[Don L. Lind]] (CAPCOM)<br />
*[[Ken Mattingly]] (CAPCOM)<br />
*[[Bruce McCandless II]] (CAPCOM)<br />
*[[Harrison Schmitt]] (CAPCOM)<br />
*[[William R. Pogue|Bill Pogue]]<br />
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*Cliff Charlesworth (Green Team), launch and [[Extra-vehicular activity|EVA]]<br />
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[[File:Apollo-CSM-LM.png|thumb|301px|Apollo 11 spacecraft. SM: Service Module (no call sign); CM: Command Module, Columbia; LM: Lunar Module, Eagle (pre-production appearance)]]<br />
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After the crew of Apollo 10 named their spacecraft ''Charlie Brown'' and ''Snoopy'', assistant manager for public affairs Julian Scheer wrote to [[Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center|Manned Spacecraft Center]] director [[George M. Low]] to suggest the Apollo 11 crew be less flippant in naming their craft. During early mission planning, the names ''Snowcone'' and ''Haystack'' were used and put in the news release,<ref name="Snowcone">{{cite web |url=http://history.nasa.gov/ap11fj/pdf/a11-techsum.pdf |title=Technical Information Summary, Apollo-11 (AS-506) Apollo Saturn V Space Vehicle |date=June 25, 1969 |work=[[Marshall Space Flight Center|George C. Marshall Space Flight Center]] |publisher=NASA |location=Huntsvill, AL |page=8 |format=PDF |id=Document ID: 19700011707; Accession Number: 70N21012; Report Number: NASA-TM-X-62812; S&E-ASTR-S-101-69 |accessdate=June 12, 2013}}</ref> but the crew later decided to change them.<br />
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The Command Module was named ''[[Columbia (name)|Columbia]]'' after the ''[[Columbiad#In fiction|Columbiad]]'', the giant cannon shell "spacecraft" fired by a giant cannon (coincidentally from Florida) in [[Jules Verne|Jules Verne's]] 1865 novel ''[[From the Earth to the Moon]]''.<ref>{{Cite book |last1=Farmer |first1=Gene |last2=Hamblin |first2=Dora Jane |last3=Armstrong |first3=Neil |authorlink3=Neil Armstrong |last4=Collins |first4=Michael |last5=Aldrin |first5=Edwin E., Jr. |title=[[First on the Moon (1970 book)|First on the Moon: A Voyage with Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, Edwin E. Aldrin, Jr.]] |others=Epilogue by [[Arthur C. Clarke]] |year=1970 |publisher=[[Little, Brown and Company]] |location=Boston |page=39 |isbn=0-7181-0736-5 |lccn=76-103950}}</ref> The Lunar Module was named ''Eagle'' for the [[national bird]] of the United States, the [[bald eagle]], which is featured prominently on the mission insignia.<br />
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===Insignia===<br />
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The Apollo 11 mission insignia was designed by Collins, who wanted a symbol for "peaceful lunar landing by the United States". He chose an eagle as the symbol, put an [[olive branch]] in its beak, and drew a lunar background with the Earth in the distance. NASA officials said the talons of the eagle looked too "warlike" and after some discussion, the olive branch was moved to the claws. The crew decided the [[Roman numeral]] [[11 (number)|XI]] would not be understood in some nations and went with "Apollo 11"; they decided not to put their names on the patch, so it would "be representative of ''everyone'' who had worked toward a lunar landing".<ref>{{Cite book |last=Collins |first=Michael |authorlink=Michael Collins (astronaut) |others=Foreword by [[Charles Lindberg]] |origyear=Originally published 1974; New York: [[Farrar, Straus and Giroux]] |year=2001 |title=Carrying the Fire: An Astronaut's Journeys |publisher=Cooper Square Press |location=New York |isbn=0-8154-1028-X |lccn=2001017080 |pages=332–333}}</ref><br />
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All colors are natural, with blue and gold borders around the [[Mission patch|patch]]. When the [[Eisenhower Dollar|Eisenhower dollar coin]] was released a few years later, the patch design provided the eagle for its reverse side.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://coinsite.com/CoinSite-PF/pparticles/$1eisen.asp |title=1971–78 Dollar Eisenhower |work=CoinSite |publisher=ROKO Design Group, Inc. |year=1994 |accessdate=July 20, 2009}}</ref> The design was retained for the smaller [[Susan B. Anthony dollar]] which was unveiled in 1979, ten years after the Apollo 11 mission.{{Citation needed|date=July 2009}}<br />
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===Mementos===<br />
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Neil Armstrong's PPK (Personal Preference Kit) carried a piece of wood from the [[Wright brothers]]' 1903 airplane's left propeller and a piece of fabric from its wing,<ref name="first man">{{cite book |last=Hansen |first=James R. |title=[[First Man: The Life of Neil A. Armstrong]] |year=2005 |publisher=[[Simon & Schuster]] |location=New York |isbn=978-0-7432-5631-5 |lccn=2005049992 |page=527}}</ref> along with a diamond-studded [[astronaut pin]] originally given to [[Deke Slayton]] by the widows of the [[Apollo 1]] crew. This pin had been intended to be flown on Apollo 1 and given to Slayton after the mission but following the disastrous launch pad fire and subsequent funerals, the widows gave the pin to Slayton and Armstrong took it on Apollo 11.<ref>{{cite book |last1=Slayton |first1=Donald K. |last2=Cassutt |first2=Michael |title=Deke!: An Autobiography |pages=191–192}}</ref><br />
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==Mission highlights==<br />
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===Launch and flight to lunar orbit===<br />
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In addition to throngs of people crowding highways and beaches near the launch site, millions watched the event on television, with NASA Chief of Public Information [[Jack King (NASA)|Jack King]] providing commentary. [[President of the United States|President]] [[Richard Nixon|Richard M. Nixon]] viewed the proceedings from the [[Oval Office]] of the [[White House]].<br />
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A [[Saturn V]] launched Apollo 11 from Launch Pad 39A, part of the Launch Complex 39 site at the [[Kennedy Space Center]] on July 16, 1969 at 13:32:00 UTC (9:32:00 a.m. EDT local time). It entered orbit twelve minutes later.<ref name="Orloff" /> After one and a half orbits, the [[S-IVB]] third-stage engine pushed the spacecraft onto its trajectory toward the Moon with the [[Trans-lunar injection|Trans-Lunar Injection]] (TLI) burn at 16:22:13 UTC. About 30 minutes later the [[Apollo Command/Service Module|command/service module]] pair separated from this last remaining Saturn V stage and docked with the Lunar Module still nestled in the [[Apollo spacecraft#Spacecraft Lunar Module Adapter (SLA)|Lunar Module Adaptor]]. After the Lunar Module was extracted, the combined spacecraft headed for the Moon, while the third stage booster flew on a trajectory past the Moon and into [[heliocentric orbit]].<ref name="A11timeline">{{cite book |last=Orloff |first=Richard W. |title=Apollo by the Numbers: A Statistical Reference |url=http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4029/SP-4029.htm |accessdate=October 30, 2009 |series=NASA History Series |origyear=First published 2000 |date=September 2004 |work=NASA History Division, Office of Policy and Plans |publisher=NASA |location=Washington, D.C. |isbn=0-16-050631-X |lccn= 00-061677 |id=NASA SP-2000-4029 |chapter=Apollo 11 Timeline |chapterurl=http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4029/Apollo_11i_Timeline.htm}}</ref><br />
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On July 19 at 17:21:50 UTC, Apollo 11 passed behind the Moon and fired its service propulsion engine to enter [[lunar orbit]]. In the thirty orbits<ref name="Apollo-11 (27)">{{cite web |url=http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/history/apollo/apollo-11/apollo-11.html |title=Apollo-11 (27) |work=Historical Archive for Manned Missions |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref> that followed, the crew saw passing views of their landing site in the southern Sea of Tranquility ([[Mare Tranquillitatis]]) about {{convert|12|mi|km}} southwest of the crater Sabine D (0.67408N, 23.47297E). The landing site was selected in part because it had been characterized as relatively flat and smooth by the automated ''[[Ranger 8]]'' and ''[[Surveyor 5]]'' landers along with the ''[[Lunar Orbiter]]'' mapping spacecraft and unlikely to present major landing or [[extra-vehicular activity]] (EVA) challenges.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11_PressKit.pdf |title=Apollo 11 Lunar Landing Mission |date=July 6, 1969 |publisher=NASA |location=Washington, D.C. |type=Press kit |format=PDF |id=Release No: 69-83K |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref><br />
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===Lunar descent===<br />
[[File:Apollo 11 Lunar Module Eagle in landing configuration in lunar orbit from the Command and Service Module Columbia.jpg|thumb|The ''Eagle'' in [[lunar orbit]] after separating from ''Columbia'']]<br />
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On July 20, 1969, the Lunar Module ''Eagle'' separated from the Command Module ''Columbia''. Collins, alone aboard ''Columbia'', inspected ''Eagle'' as it pirouetted before him to ensure the craft was not damaged.<br />
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As the descent began, Armstrong and Aldrin found that they were passing landmarks on the surface four seconds early and reported that they were "long"; they would land miles west of their target point.<br />
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Five minutes into the descent burn, and {{convert|6000|ft|m|-2}} above the surface of the Moon, the [[Apollo Guidance Computer|LM navigation and guidance computer]] distracted the crew with the first of several unexpected "1202" and "1201" program alarms. Inside [[Christopher C. Kraft Jr. Mission Control Center|Mission Control Center]] in Houston, Texas, computer engineer [[Jack Garman]] told [[Flight controller#Guidance Officer (GUIDANCE or GUIDO)|guidance officer]] [[Steve Bales]] it was safe to continue the descent, and this was relayed to the crew. The program alarms indicated "executive overflows", meaning the guidance computer could not complete all of its tasks in real time and had to postpone some of them.<ref>{{cite book |last1=Collins |first1=Michael |last2=Aldrin |first2=Edwin E., Jr. |authorlink2=Buzz Aldrin |editor-last=Cortright |editor-first=Edgar M |editor-link=Edgar Cortright |title=Apollo Expeditions to the Moon |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-350/cover.html |accessdate=June 13, 2013 |year=1975 |publisher=NASA |location=Washington, D.C. |oclc=1623434 |id=NASA SP-350 |chapter=A Yellow Caution Light |chapterurl=http://history.nasa.gov/SP-350/ch-11-4.html}} Chapter 11.4.</ref><br />
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In a letter to ''[[Datamation]]'', March 1, 1971, [[Margaret Hamilton (scientist)|Margaret H. Hamilton]], Director of Apollo Flight Computer Programming MIT Draper Laboratory, Cambridge, Massachusetts, stated: "Due to an error in the checklist manual, the rendezvous radar switch was placed in the wrong position. This caused it to send erroneous signals to the computer. The result was that the computer was being asked to perform all of its normal functions for landing while receiving an extra load of spurious data which used up 15% of its time. The computer (or rather the software in it) was smart enough to recognize that it was being asked to perform more tasks than it should be performing. It then sent out an alarm, which meant to the astronaut, ''I'm overloaded with more tasks than I should be doing at this time and I'm going to keep only the more important tasks''; i.e., the ones needed for landing&nbsp;... Actually, the computer was programmed to do more than recognize error conditions. A complete set of recovery programs was incorporated into the software. The software's action, in this case, was to eliminate lower priority tasks and re-establish the more important ones&nbsp;... If the computer hadn't recognized this problem and taken recovery action, I doubt if Apollo 11 would have been the successful [M]oon landing it was."<ref>{{cite journal |last=Hamilton |first=Margaret H. |authorlink=Margaret Hamilton (scientist) |date=March 1, 1971 |title=Computer Got Loaded |journal=[[Datamation]] |publisher=[[Norman Cahners|Cahners Publishing Company]] |type=Letter |issn=0011-6963}}</ref>{{efn|During the mission, the cause was diagnosed as the rendezvous radar switch being in the wrong position, causing the computer to process data from both the rendezvous and landing radars at the same time, as stated in the letter.<ref name="Apollo 11 Mission Report">{{cite book |title=Apollo 11 Mission Report |url=http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11_MissionReport.pdf |format=PDF |accessdate=July 10, 2013 |date=November 1969 |work=[[Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center|Manned Spacecraft Center]], Mission Evaluation Team |publisher=NASA |location=Houston, TX |oclc=10970862 |id=MSC-00171}}</ref><ref name="Martin">{{cite web |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.1201-fm.html |title=Apollo 11: 25 Years Later |last=Martin |first=Fred H. |date=July 1994 |work=Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref> However, software engineer Don Eyles concluded in a 2005 Guidance and Control Conference paper that the problem was actually due to a hardware design bug previously seen during testing of the first unmanned LM for [[Apollo 5]]. Having the rendezvous radar on (so that it was warmed up in case of an emergency landing abort) should have been irrelevant to the computer, but an electrical phasing mismatch between two parts of the rendezvous radar system could cause the stationary antenna to appear to the computer as dithering back and forth between two positions, depending upon how the hardware randomly powered up. The extra spurious [[cycle stealing]], as the rendezvous radar updated an involuntary counter, caused the computer alarms.<ref name="Eyles">{{cite web |url=http://klabs.org/history/apollo_11_alarms/eyles_2004/eyles_2004.htm |title=Tales from the Lunar Module Guidance Computer |last=Eyles |first=Don |date=February 6, 2004 |work=27th annual Guidance and Control Conference |publisher=[[American Astronautical Society]] |location=Breckenridge, CO |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref> The Apollo onboard flight software for both the CM and LM was developed using an asynchronous executive so that higher priority jobs could interrupt lower priority jobs. The sequence that occurred in the Apollo 11 landing was successful because of its global error detection and recovery system. This included the restart capability to "kill and start over again" and recompute and the display interface routines ("priority displays") providing the ability, in the case of an emergency, to interrupt nominal displays with higher priority alarm displays. Steps previously taken to create solutions that took advantage of this multiprogramming environment suggested solutions for multiprocessing. Although only one process is actively executing at a given time in a multiprogramming environment, other processes in the same system―sleeping or waiting―exist in parallel with the executing process. With this as a backdrop, the priority display mechanisms were created, essentially changing the man-machine interface between the astronauts and the onboard flight software from synchronous to asynchronous displays so that a mission could be reconfigured in real time should it become necessary to do so.<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Hamilton |first1=Margaret H. |last2=Hackler |first2=William R. |date=December 2008 |title=Universal Systems Language: Lessons Learned from Apollo |volume=41 |issue=12 |pages=34–43 |journal=Computer |location=Washington, D.C. |publisher=[[IEEE Computer Society]] |issn=0018-9162 |doi=10.1109/MC.2008.541 |url=http://doi.ieeecomputersociety.org/10.1109/MC.2008.541 |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref>}}<br />
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===Landing===<br />
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When Armstrong again looked outside, he saw that the computer's landing target was in a boulder-strewn area just north and east of a {{convert|300|m|ft|sp=us|adj=on|sp=us}} diameter crater (later determined to be "West crater," named for its location in the western part of the originally planned landing ellipse). Armstrong took semi-automatic control<ref name="Digital Apollo">{{Cite book |last=Mindell |first=David A. |title=Digital Apollo: Human and Machine in Spaceflight |year=2008 |publisher=[[MIT Press]] |location=Cambridge, MA |pages= 195–197 |isbn=978-0-262-13497-2 |lccn=2007032255}}</ref> and, with Aldrin calling out altitude and velocity data, landed at 20:17:40 UTC on July 20 with about 25 seconds of fuel left.<ref name="ALSJ 1" /><br />
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Apollo 11 landed with less fuel than other missions, and the astronauts encountered a premature low fuel warning. This was later found to be the result of greater propellant 'slosh' than expected, uncovering a fuel sensor. On subsequent missions, extra [[Baffle (heat transfer)|baffle]]s were added to the tanks to prevent this.<ref name="ALSJ 1" /><br />
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Throughout the descent Aldrin had called out navigation data to Armstrong, who was busy piloting the [[Apollo Lunar Module|LM]]. A few moments before the landing, a light informed Aldrin that at least one of the {{convert|67|in|cm|0|adj=on}} probes hanging from ''Eagle'''s footpads had touched the surface, and he said "Contact light!" Three seconds later, ''Eagle'' landed and Armstrong said "Shutdown." Aldrin immediately said "Okay, engine stop. ACA - out of [[detent]]." Armstrong acknowledged "Out of detent. Auto" and Aldrin continued "Mode control - both auto. Descent engine command override off. Engine arm - off. 413 is in."<br />
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[[Charles Duke]], acting as CAPCOM during the landing phase, acknowledged their landing by saying "We copy you down, Eagle."<br />
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Armstrong acknowledged Aldrin's completion of the post landing checklist with "Engine arm is off," before responding to Duke with the words, "Houston, [[Tranquility Base]] here. The ''Eagle'' has landed." Armstrong's unrehearsed<ref name="failure">''Failure is Not an Option''. [[History (U.S. TV channel)|History]], 24 August 2003.</ref> change of call sign from "Eagle" to "Tranquility Base" emphasized to listeners that landing was complete and successful. Duke mispronounced his reply as he expressed the relief at Mission Control: "Roger, Twan-- Tranquility, we copy you on the ground. You got a bunch of guys about to turn blue. We're breathing again. Thanks a lot."<ref name="ALSJ 1">{{cite web |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.landing.html |title=The First Lunar Landing |year=1995 |editor-last= Jones |editor-first=Eric M. |work=Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/moonlandings/7630.shtml?all=2&id=7630 |title=James May speaks to Charles Duke |year=2009 |work=[[BBC Archives]] |publisher=[[BBC]] |location=[[Perivale]] |accessdate=June 7, 2009}}</ref><br />
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Two and a half hours after landing, before preparations began for the EVA, Aldrin broadcast that:<br />
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[[File:AP11 FINAL APPROACH.ogv|thumb|left|Landing on the Moon, July 20, 1969]]<br />
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{{quote|"This is the LM pilot. I'd like to take this opportunity to ask every person listening in, whoever and wherever they may be, to pause for a moment and contemplate the events of the past few hours and to give thanks in his or her own way."<ref name="ALSJ 2">{{cite web |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.postland.html |title=Post-landing Activities |year=1995 |editor-last=Jones |editor-first=Eric M. |work=Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref>}} He then took [[Eucharist|communion]] privately. At this time NASA was still fighting a lawsuit brought by atheist [[Madalyn Murray O'Hair]] (who had objected to the Apollo 8 crew reading from the [[Book of Genesis]]) demanding that their astronauts refrain from broadcasting religious activities while in space. As such, Aldrin chose to refrain from directly mentioning taking communion on the Moon. Aldrin was an elder at the [[Webster, Texas|Webster]] [[Presbyterianism|Presbyterian Church]], and his communion kit was prepared by the pastor of the church, the Rev. Dean Woodruff. Aldrin described communion on the Moon and the involvement of his church and pastor in the October 1970 edition of ''Guideposts'' magazine and in his book ''Return to Earth''. Webster Presbyterian possesses the chalice used on the Moon and commemorates the event each year on the Sunday closest to July 20.<ref name="chaikin">{{Cite book |author=Chaikin, Andrew |title=A Man on the Moon: The Triumphant Story Of The Apollo Space Program |year=1994 |publisher=[[Penguin Group]] |location=New York |pages=204, 623 |isbn=0-14-027201-1}}</ref><br />
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The schedule for the mission called for the astronauts to follow the landing with a five-hour sleep period, since they had been awake since early morning. However, they elected to forgo the sleep period and begin the preparations for the EVA early, thinking that they would be unable to sleep.<br />
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===Lunar surface operations===<br />
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[[File:Apollo 11 first step.jpg|thumb|left|A [[Apollo TV camera|mounted slowscan TV camera]] shows Armstrong as he climbs down the ladder to surface]]<br />
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The astronauts planned placement of the Early Apollo Scientific Experiment Package (EASEP)<ref>{{cite web |url=http://ares.jsc.nasa.gov/HumanExplore/Exploration/EXLibrary/docs/ApolloCat/Part1/EASEP.htm |title=Experiment: Early Apollo Scientific Experiment Package |publisher=NASA |accessdate=July 18, 2009}}</ref> and the [[Flag of the United States|U.S. flag]] by studying their landing site through ''Eagle'''s twin triangular windows, which gave them a 60° field of view. Preparation required longer than the two hours scheduled. Armstrong initially had some difficulties squeezing through the hatch with his [[Primary Life Support System|Portable Life Support System]] (PLSS). According to veteran Moon-walker [[John Young (astronaut)|John Young]], a redesign of the LM to incorporate a smaller hatch had not been followed by a redesign of the PLSS backpack, so some of the highest heart rates recorded from Apollo astronauts occurred during LM egress and ingress.<ref name="ALSJ 3">{{cite web |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.summary.html |title=First Steps |year=1995 |editor1-last=Jones |editor1-first=Eric M. |editor2-last=Glover |editor2-first=Ken |work=Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal |publisher=NASA |accessdate=September 23, 2006}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last1=Waligora |first1=J.M. |last2=Horrigan |first2=D.J. |editor-last1=Johnston |editor-first1=Richard S. |editor-last2=Dietlein |editor-first2=Lawrence F. |editor-last3=Berry |editor-first3=Charles A. |others=Foreword by [[Christopher C. Kraft, Jr.]] |title=Biomedical Results of Apollo |url=http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/cover.htm |accessdate=September 23, 2006 |year=1975 |publisher=NASA |location=Washington, D.C. |id=NASA SP-368 |chapter=Metabolism and Heat Dissipation During Apollo EVA Periods |chapterurl=http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/s2ch4.htm}}</ref><br />
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[[File:Apollo 11 bootprint.jpg|thumb|right|Aldrin bootprint; part of an experiment to test the properties of the lunar [[regolith]]]]<br />
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At 02:39 UTC on Monday July 21, 1969, Armstrong opened the hatch, and at 02:51 UTC began his descent to the lunar surface. The Remote Control Unit controls on his chest kept him from seeing his feet. Climbing down the nine-rung ladder, Armstrong pulled a D-ring to deploy the Modular Equipment Stowage Assembly (MESA) folded against ''Eagle'''s side and activate the TV camera, and at 02:56:15 UTC he set his left foot on the surface.<ref name="neil82">{{cite news |title=Neil Armstrong, first man to step on the Moon, dies at 82 |first=Paul |last=Duggan |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/neil-armstrong-first-man-to-step-on-the-moon-dies-at-82/2012/08/25/7091c8bc-412d-11e0-a16f-4c3fe0fd37f0_story.html |work=[[The Washington Post]] |date=August 25, 2012 |accessdate=May 25, 2013}}</ref><ref name="ALSJ 4">{{cite web |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.step.html |title=One Small Step |year=1995 |editor-last=Jones |editor-first=Eric M. |work=Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref> The first landing used [[slow-scan television]] incompatible with commercial TV, so it was displayed on a special monitor and a conventional TV camera viewed this monitor, significantly reducing the quality of the picture.<ref name="Blunder 5">{{cite news |title=One giant blunder for mankind: how NASA lost Moon pictures |last=Macey |first=Richard |url=http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/one-giant-blunder-for-mankind-how-nasa-lost-moon-pictures/2006/08/04/1154198328978.html |work=[[The Sydney Morning Herald]] |publisher=[[Fairfax Media]] |location=Sydney |date=August 5, 2006 |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref> The signal was received at [[Goldstone Deep Space Communications Complex|Goldstone]] in the United States but with better fidelity by [[Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station]] in Australia. Minutes later the feed was switched to the more sensitive [[Parkes Observatory|Parkes radio telescope]] in Australia.<ref name="tvbroadcasts">{{cite journal |last=Sarkissian |first=John M. |title=On Eagle's Wings: The Parkes Observatory's Support of the Apollo 11 Mission |year=2001 |journal=Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia |volume=18 |issue=3 |pages=287–310 |location=Collingwood, Victoria |publisher=[[CSIRO Publishing]] for the [[Astronomical Society of Australia]] |doi=10.1071/AS01038 |accessdate=May 24, 2013 |url=http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/news_events/apollo11/tv_broadcasts.html}} October 2000 website version, part 10 of 12: "The Television Broadcasts." Original version available from [http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/news_events/apollo11/pasa/on_eagles_wings.pdf CSIRO Parkes Observatory] (PDF).</ref> Despite some technical and weather difficulties, ghostly black and white images of the first lunar EVA were received and broadcast to at least 600 million people on Earth.<ref name="Parkes">{{cite journal |last=Sarkissian |first=John M. |title=On Eagle's Wings: The Parkes Observatory's Support of the Apollo 11 Mission |year=2001 |journal=Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia |volume=18 |issue=3 |pages=287–310 |location=Collingwood, Victoria |publisher=CSIRO Publishing for the Astronomical Society of Australia |format=PDF |doi=10.1071/AS01038 |accessdate=September 22, 2006 |url=http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/news_events/apollo11/pasa/on_eagles_wings.pdf}}</ref> Although copies of this video in broadcast format were saved and are widely available, [[Apollo 11 missing tapes|recordings of the original slow scan source transmission from the lunar surface]] were accidentally destroyed during routine magnetic tape re-use at NASA.<br />
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After describing the surface dust as "very fine-grained" and "almost like a powder,"<ref name="ALSJ 4" /> Armstrong stepped off ''Eagle'''s footpad and uttered his famous line, "That's one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind"{{efn|A NASA transcript explains that the "a" article was intended, whether or not it was said;<ref name="ALSJ 4" /> the intention was to contrast ''a man'' (an individual's action) and ''mankind'' (as a species).}}<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/F_Apollo_35th_Anniversary.html |title=Apollo Moon Landing -- 35th Anniversary |date=July 15, 2004 (updated December 9, 2007) |editor-last=Canright |editor-first=Shelley |work=NASA Education |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 13, 2013}} Includes the "a" article as intended.</ref><ref>{{Cite news |title=Armstrong 'got Moon quote right' |url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5398560.stm |date=October 2, 2006 |work=[[BBC News]] |publisher=BBC |location=London |accessdate=June 13, 2013}} News story on reanalysis which suggests the line was said correctly (with the "a" article).</ref><ref>{{cite news |title=Armstrong's 'poetic' slip on Moon |first=Pallab |last=Ghosh |authorlink=Pallab Ghosh |url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8081817.stm |date=June 3, 2009 |work=BBC News |publisher=BBC |location=London |accessdate=June 13, 2013}} News story on later reanalysis which suggests the line was said incorrectly.</ref><ref>{{cite news |title=Hear what Neil Armstrong really said on the moon |first=Mark |last=Carreau |url=http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/Hear-what-Neil-Armstrong-really-said-on-the-moon-1862496.php |work=[[Houston Chronicle]] |publisher=[[Hearst Corporation]] |date=September 30, 2006 |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref> six and a half hours after landing.<ref name="Orloff"/> Aldrin joined him, describing the view as "Magnificent desolation."<ref name="ALSJ 4" /><br />
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Armstrong claims to have said "That's one small step for ''a'' man, one giant leap for mankind" when he first set foot on the lunar surface. The "''a''" is not clear in NASA recordings, but the audio and video links back to Earth were somewhat intermittent, partly because of storms near [[Parkes Observatory]]. More recent digital analysis of the tape by NASA revealed the "a" may have been spoken but obscured by static.<ref name="Straight Dope">{{cite web | url = http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_362.html | author = Adams, Cecil | title = Did astronaut Neil Armstrong muff his historic "one small step" line? }}</ref><ref name="snopes a">{{snopes | link = http://www.snopes.com/quotes/onesmall.asp | title = One Small Step }}</ref><br />
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About seven minutes after stepping onto the Moon's surface, Armstrong collected a contingency soil sample using a sample bag on a stick. He then folded the bag and tucked it into a pocket on his right thigh. This was to guarantee there would be some lunar soil brought back in case an emergency required the astronauts to abandon the EVA and return to the LM.<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/10010.pdf |title=Lunar Sample Compendium: Contingency Soil (10010) |last=Meyer |first=Charles |year=2009 |work=Astromaterials Research & Exploration Science |publisher=NASA |format=PDF |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref><br />
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In addition to fulfilling President Kennedy's mandate to land a man on the Moon before the end of the 1960s,<ref>{{cite news |title=Events of 1969: Apollo 11 |url=http://www.upi.com/Archives/Audio/Events-of-1969/Apollo-11/ |work=UPI.com |publisher=[[United Press International]] |year=1969 |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref> Apollo 11 was an engineering test of the Apollo system; therefore, Armstrong snapped photos of the LM so engineers would be able to judge its post-landing condition. He removed the TV camera from the MESA and made a panoramic sweep, then mounted it on a tripod {{convert|68|ft|m}} from the LM. The TV camera cable remained partly coiled and presented a tripping hazard throughout the EVA.<br />
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[[File:Aldrin Apollo 11 original.jpg|thumb|Aldrin poses on the Moon, allowing Armstrong to photograph both of them using the visor's reflection]]<br />
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Armstrong said that moving in the [[Gravitation of the Moon|lunar gravity]], one-sixth of Earth's, was "even perhaps easier than the simulations&nbsp;... It's absolutely no trouble to walk around."<ref name="ALSJ 4"/> Aldrin joined him on the surface and tested methods for moving around, including two-footed kangaroo hops. The PLSS backpack created a tendency to tip backwards, but neither astronaut had serious problems maintaining balance. Loping became the preferred method of movement. The astronauts reported that they needed to plan their movements six or seven steps ahead. The fine soil was quite slippery. Aldrin remarked that moving from sunlight into ''Eagle'''s shadow produced no temperature change inside the suit, though the helmet was warmer in sunlight, so he felt cooler in shadow.<ref name="ALSJ 4"/><br />
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The astronauts planted a [[Lunar Flag Assembly|specially designed U.S. flag]] on the lunar surface, in clear view of the TV camera. Some time later, President Richard Nixon spoke to them through a telephone-radio transmission which Nixon called "the most historic phone call ever made from the White House."<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/american_originals/apollo11.html |title=Exhibit: Apollo 11 and Nixon |date=March 1996 |work=American Originals |publisher=[[National Archives and Records Administration]] |location=Washington, D.C. |accessdate=April 13, 2008}}</ref> Nixon originally had a long speech prepared to read during the phone call, but [[Frank Borman]], who was at the White House as a NASA liaison during Apollo 11, convinced Nixon to keep his words brief, to respect the lunar landing as Kennedy's legacy.<ref>This was related by Frank Borman during the 2008 documentary ''[[When We Left Earth: The NASA Missions]]'', part 2.</ref><br />
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[[William Safire]] prepared a speech called ''In Event of Moon Disaster'' for President Nixon to read on television if the Apollo 11 astronauts were stranded on the Moon.<ref name="lostinspace">{{cite web |url=http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/white-house-lost-space-scenarios |title=White House 'Lost In Space' Scenarios |date=August 8, 2005 |work=[[The Smoking Gun]] |publisher=[[Turner Broadcasting System]] |location=New York |accessdate=May 25, 2013}} Scanned copy of the "In Event of Moon Disaster" memo.</ref> According to the plans, Mission Control would "close down communications" with the LEM, and a clergyman would have commended their souls to "the deepest of the deep" in a public ritual likened to [[burial at sea]]. Presidential telephone calls to the astronauts' wives were also planned. The speech originated in a memo from Safire to Nixon's [[White House Chief of Staff]] [[H. R. Haldeman]] in which Safire suggested a protocol the administration might follow in reaction to such a disaster.<ref>{{cite news |title=The Story of a Tragedy That Was Not to Be |first=Jim |last=Mann |url=http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jul/07/news/mn-53678 |work=[[Los Angeles Times]] |date=July 7, 1999 |accessdate=May 25, 2013}}</ref><ref name="safire">{{cite news |title=Essay; Disaster Never Came |first=William |last=Safire |authorlink=William Safire |url=http://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/12/opinion/essay-disaster-never-came.html |work=[[New York Times]] |date=July 12, 1999 |accessdate=May 25, 2013}}</ref> The last line of the prepared text contained an allusion to [[Rupert Brooke]]'s [[World War I|First World War]] poem, "[[The Soldier (poem)|The Soldier]]."<ref name="safire"/><br />
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The MESA failed to provide a stable work platform and was in shadow, slowing work somewhat. As they worked, the moonwalkers kicked up gray dust which soiled the outer part of their suits, the integrated thermal meteoroid garment.<br />
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They deployed the EASEP, which included a passive seismograph and a [[Lunar Laser Ranging experiment|Lunar Ranging]] [[Retroreflector#Retroreflectors on the Moon|Retroreflector]] (LRRR). Then Armstrong walked {{convert|196|ft|m}} from the LM to snap photos at the rim of Little West Crater <!-- There is no "East Crater", see http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11EastCraterRIP.html --> while Aldrin collected two core tubes. He used the [[geological hammer]] to pound in the tubes - the only time the hammer was used on Apollo 11. The astronauts then collected rock samples using scoops and tongs on extension handles. Many of the surface activities took longer than expected, so they had to stop documenting sample collection halfway through the allotted 34 minutes.<br />
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[[File:Apollo 11 photo map.pdf|thumb|Map showing landing site and photos taken]]<br />
Three new minerals were discovered in the rock samples collected by the astronauts: [[armalcolite]], [[tranquillityite]], and [[pyroxferroite]]. Armalcolite was named after Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins.<br />
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During this period Mission Control used a coded phrase to warn Armstrong that his metabolic rates were high and that he should slow down. He was moving rapidly from task to task as time ran out. However, as metabolic rates remained generally lower than expected for both astronauts throughout the walk, Mission Control granted the astronauts a 15-minute extension.<ref name="ALSJ 5">{{cite web |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.clsout.html |title=EASEP Deployment and Closeout |editor-last=Jones |editor-first=Eric M. |year=1995 |work=Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref> In a 2010 interview, Armstrong, who had walked a maximum of {{convert|196|ft|m}} from the LM, explained that NASA limited the first moonwalk's time and distance because there was no empirical proof of how much cooling water the astronauts' PLSS backpacks would consume to handle their body heat generation while working on the Moon.<ref name="neilmoonwalk">{{cite web |url=http://www.space.com/10469-neil-armstrong-explains-famous-apollo-11-moonwalk.html |title=Neil Armstrong Explains His Famous Apollo 11 Moonwalk |date=December 10, 2010 |work=[[space.com]] |publisher=[[TechMediaNetwork, Inc.]] |location=New York |accessdate=May 25, 2013}}</ref><br />
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[[File:Aldrin with experiment.jpg|thumb|Aldrin next to the Passive Seismic Experiment Package with ''Eagle'' in the background]]<br />
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Aldrin entered ''Eagle'' first. With some difficulty the astronauts lifted film and two sample boxes containing more than {{convert|22|kg|lb}} of lunar surface material to the LM hatch using a flat cable pulley device called the Lunar Equipment Conveyor. Armstrong reminded Aldrin of a bag of memorial items in his suit pocket sleeve, and Aldrin tossed the bag down; Armstrong then jumped to the ladder's third rung and climbed into the LM. After transferring to LM [[life support]], the explorers lightened the ascent stage for return to lunar orbit by tossing out their PLSS backpacks, lunar overshoes, one [[Hasselblad]] camera, and other equipment. They then pressurized the LM, and settled down to sleep.<ref name="ALSJ 6">{{cite web |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.posteva.html |title=Trying to Rest |editor-last=Jones |editor-first=Eric M. |year=1995 |work=Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 13, 2013}}</ref><br />
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While moving within the cabin, Aldrin accidentally broke the [[circuit breaker]] that would arm the main engine for lift off from the Moon. There was concern this would prevent firing the engine, stranding them on the Moon. Fortunately a felt-tip pen was sufficient to activate the switch.<ref name="ALSJ 6" /> Had this not worked, the Lunar Module circuitry could have been reconfigured to allow firing the ascent engine.<ref name="Murray">{{Cite book |last1=Murray |first1=Charles A. |authorlink1=Charles Murray (author) |last2=Cox |first2=Catherine Bly | title=Apollo: The Race to the Moon |year=1989 |publisher=Simon & Schuster |location=New York|isbn=0-671-61101-1 |lccn=89006333}}</ref><br />
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After about seven hours of rest, the crew was awakened by Houston to prepare for the return flight. Two and a half hours later, at 17:54 UTC, they lifted off in ''Eagle'''s ascent stage, carrying 21.5 kilograms of lunar samples with them, to rejoin CMP Michael Collins aboard ''Columbia'' in lunar orbit. During the launch Aldrin looked up in time to see the exhaust from the ascent module's engine knock over the American flag they had planted.<ref name="Orloff" /><br />
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[[File:Apollo 11 plaque closeup on Moon.jpg|left|thumb|The plaque left on the ladder of ''Eagle'']]<br />
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After more than 2½ hours on the lunar surface, they had left behind scientific instruments that included a [[Retroreflector#Retroreflectors on the Moon|retroreflector]] array used for the [[Lunar Laser Ranging experiment|Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment]] and a Passive Seismic Experiment Package used to measure [[Quake (natural phenomenon)#Moonquake|moonquakes]]. They also left an American flag, an Apollo 1 mission patch, and a [[lunar plaque|plaque]] (mounted on the LM Descent Stage ladder) bearing two drawings of Earth (of the Western and Eastern Hemispheres), an inscription, and signatures of the astronauts and President Nixon. The inscription read:<br />
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They also left behind a memorial bag containing a gold replica of an olive branch as a traditional symbol of peace and a silicon message disk. The disk carries the [[Apollo 11 goodwill messages|goodwill statements]] by Presidents [[Dwight D. Eisenhower|Eisenhower]], Kennedy, [[Lyndon B. Johnson|Johnson]], and Nixon and messages from leaders of 73 countries around the world. The disc also carries a listing of the leadership of the US Congress, a listing of members of the four committees of the House and Senate responsible for the NASA legislation, and the names of NASA's past and present top management.<ref>{{cite press release |title=Apollo 11 Goodwill Messages |date=July 13, 1969 |publisher=NASA |location=Washington, D.C. |url=http://history.nasa.gov/ap11-35ann/goodwill/Apollo_11_material.pdf |format=PDF |id=Release No: 69-83F |accessdate=June 14, 2013}}</ref> (In his 1989 book, ''Men from Earth'', Aldrin says that the items included Soviet medals commemorating [[Cosmonaut]]s [[Vladimir Mikhaylovich Komarov|Vladimir Komarov]] and [[Yuri Gagarin]].) Also, according to Deke Slayton's book ''Moonshot'', Armstrong carried with him a special diamond-studded astronaut pin from Slayton.<br />
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[[File:Apollo 11 lunar module.jpg|thumb|''Eagle'''s ascent stage approaching ''Columbia'']]<br />
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Film taken from the LM Ascent Stage upon liftoff from the Moon reveals the American flag, planted some {{Convert|25|ft|m|0}} from the descent stage, whipping violently in the exhaust of the ascent stage engine. Buzz Aldrin witnessed it topple: "The ascent stage of the LM separated&nbsp;... I was concentrating on the computers, and Neil was studying the [[attitude indicator]], but I looked up long enough to see the flag fall over."<ref name="Apollo-11 (27)" /> Subsequent Apollo missions usually planted the American flags at least {{Convert|100|ft|m|sigfig=1}} from the LM to prevent its being blown over by the ascent engine exhaust.<br />
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After rendezvous with ''Columbia'', ''Eagle''{{'}}s ascent stage was jettisoned into lunar orbit on July 21, 1969 at 23:41 UTC. Just before the [[Apollo 12]] flight, it was noted that ''Eagle'' was still likely to be orbiting the Moon. Later NASA reports mentioned that ''Eagle'''s orbit had decayed, resulting in it impacting in an "uncertain location" on the lunar surface.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo_tables.html |title=Apollo Tables |last=Williams |first=David R. |work=[[National Space Science Data Center]] |publisher=NASA |accessdate=September 23, 2006}}</ref> The location is uncertain because the ''Eagle'' ascent stage was not tracked after it was jettisoned, and the lunar gravity field is sufficiently non-uniform to make the orbit of the spacecraft unpredictable after a short time. NASA estimated that the orbit had decayed within months and would have impacted on the Moon.<br />
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On July 23, the last night before splashdown, the three astronauts made a television broadcast in which Collins commented,<br />
:"...&nbsp;The Saturn V rocket which put us in orbit is an incredibly complicated piece of machinery, every piece of which worked flawlessly&nbsp;... We have always had confidence that this equipment will work properly. All this is possible only through the blood, sweat, and tears of a number of a people&nbsp;... All you see is the three of us, but beneath the surface are thousands and thousands of others, and to all of those, I would like to say, 'Thank you very much.'"<br />
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Aldrin added,<br />
:"This has been far more than three men on a mission to the Moon; more, still, than the efforts of a government and industry team; more, even, than the efforts of one nation. We feel that this stands as a symbol of the insatiable curiosity of all mankind to explore the unknown&nbsp;... Personally, in reflecting on the events of the past several days, a verse from Psalms comes to mind. 'When I consider the heavens, the work of Thy fingers, the Moon and the stars, which Thou hast ordained; What is man that Thou art mindful of him?'"<br />
Armstrong concluded,<br />
:"The responsibility for this flight lies first with history and with the giants of science who have preceded this effort; next with the American people, who have, through their will, indicated their desire; next with four administrations and their Congresses, for implementing that will; and then, with the agency and industry teams that built our spacecraft, the Saturn, the Columbia, the Eagle, and the little [[Extravehicular Mobility Unit|EMU]], the spacesuit and backpack that was our small spacecraft out on the lunar surface. We would like to give special thanks to all those Americans who built the spacecraft; who did the construction, design, the tests, and put their hearts and all their abilities into those craft. To those people tonight, we give a special thank you, and to all the other people that are listening and watching tonight, God bless you. Good night from Apollo 11."<ref name="Apollo-11 (27)" /><br />
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On the return to Earth, a bearing at the Guam tracking station failed, potentially preventing communication on the last segment of the Earth return. A regular repair was not possible in the available time but the station director, Charles Force, had his ten-year old son Greg use his small hands to reach into the housing and pack it with grease. Greg later was thanked by Armstrong.<ref>{{cite news |title=The 10-year-old who helped Apollo 11, 40 years later |last=Rodriguez |first=Rachel |url=http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/07/20/apollo11.irpt/index.html |work=CNN |date=July 20, 2009 |accessdate=January 10, 2011}}</ref><br />
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On July 24, the astronauts returned home aboard the Command Module ''Columbia'' just before dawn local time (16:51 UTC<ref name="A11timeline" />) at {{Coord|13|19|N|169|9|W|type:event|name=Apollo 11 splashdown}}, in the Pacific Ocean {{convert|2660|km|nmi|abbr=on}} east of [[Wake Island]], {{convert|380|km|nmi|abbr=on}} south of [[Johnston Atoll]], and {{convert|24|km|nmi|abbr=on}} from the recovery ship, [[USS Hornet (CV-12)|USS ''Hornet'']].<ref name="Orloff" /><br />
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At 16:44 UTC the [[drogue parachute]]s had been deployed and seven minutes later the Command Module struck the water forcefully. The Command Module landed upside down but was righted within 10 minutes by flotation bags triggered by the astronauts. "Everything's okay. Our checklist is complete. Awaiting swimmers," was Armstrong's last official transmission from the ''Columbia''. A diver from the Navy helicopter hovering above attached a sea anchor to the Command Module to prevent it from drifting. Additional divers attached flotation collars to stabilize the module and position rafts for astronaut extraction. Though the chance of bringing back [[pathogen]]s from the lunar surface was considered remote, it was considered a possibility and NASA took great precautions at the recovery site. Divers provided the astronauts with Biological Isolation Garments (BIGs) which were worn until they reached isolation facilities on board the ''Hornet''. Additionally astronauts were rubbed down with a [[sodium hypochlorite]] solution and the Command Module wiped with [[Betadine]] to remove any lunar dust that might be present. The raft containing decontamination materials was then intentionally sunk.<ref name="hornet">{{Cite book |last=Fish |first=Bob |others=Foreword by [[Richard F. Gordon, Jr.|Richard Gordon]] |title=Hornet Plus Three: The Story of the Apollo 11 Recovery |edition=1st |year=2009 |publisher=Creative Minds Press |location=Reno, NV |isbn=978-0-9749610-7-1}}</ref><br />
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A second [[Sikorsky SH-3 Sea King|Sea King]] helicopter hoisted the astronauts aboard one by one, where a NASA [[flight surgeon]] gave each a brief physical check during the {{convert|0.5|nmi|m}} trip back to the ''Hornet''.<br />
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[[File:Apollo 11 crew in quarantine.jpg|thumb|left|The crew of Apollo 11 in [[quarantine]] after returning to Earth, visited by Richard Nixon]]<br />
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After touchdown on the ''Hornet'', the astronauts exited the helicopter, leaving the flight surgeon and three crewmen. The helicopter was then lowered into hangar bay #2 where the astronauts walked the {{convert|30|ft|m}} to the [[Mobile Quarantine Facility]] (MQF) where they would begin their 21 days of quarantine. This practice would continue for two more Apollo missions, Apollo 12 and [[Apollo 14]], before the Moon was proven to be barren of life and the quarantine process dropped.<ref name="hornet" /><ref name="Smithsonian ">{{cite web |url=http://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/apollo-to-the-moon/online/a11.jh.3.html |title=After Splashdown |date=July 1999 |work=Apollo to the Moon |publisher=[[National Air and Space Museum]] |location=Washington, D.C. |accessdate=August 15, 2013}}</ref><br />
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President Richard Nixon was aboard ''Hornet'' to personally welcome the astronauts back to Earth. He told the astronauts, "As a result of what you've done, the world has never been closer together before."<ref>{{cite web |url=http://thenewnixon.org/2008/07/23/24-july-1969-home-from-the-moon/ |title=24 July 1969: Home From The Moon |last=Gannon |first=Frank |date=July 23, 2008 |work=The New Nixon |publisher=[[Richard Nixon Foundation]] |accessdate=July 20, 2009}}</ref> After Nixon departed, the ''Hornet'' was brought alongside the five-ton Command Module where it was placed aboard by the ship's crane, placed on a dolly and moved next to the MQF. The ''Hornet'' sailed for [[Pearl Harbor]] where the Command Module and MQF were airlifted to the [[Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center|Johnson Space Center]].<ref name="hornet" /><br />
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Years later, it was publicly revealed that Nixon had prepared a speech to be given in the event the Lunar Module had failed to lift off from the lunar surface, which would have resulted in Armstrong's and Aldrin's deaths, similar to common [[Obituary#Media|newspaper obituary]] or government [[contingency plan]] procedures and policies.<ref>{{cite news |title=A silent death |url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/390634.stm |work=BBC News |publisher=BBC |location=London |date=July 10, 1999 |accessdate=January 10, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |title=Full text: Nixon's unused Apollo speech |url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/390933.stm |work=BBC News |publisher=BBC |location=London |date=July 10, 1999 |accessdate=March 30, 2010}}</ref><br />
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In accordance with the recently passed [[Extra-Terrestrial Exposure Law]], the astronauts were placed in quarantine for fear that the Moon might contain undiscovered [[pathogen]]s and that the astronauts might have been exposed to them during their Moon walks. However, after almost three weeks in confinement (first in their trailer and later in the [[Lunar Receiving Laboratory]] at the Manned Spacecraft Center), the astronauts were given a clean bill of health.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.nasaexplores.com/extras/apollo11/hirasaki.html |title=A Front Row Seat For History |date=July 15, 2004 |work=NASAexplores |publisher=NASA |archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/20060319184027/http://www.nasaexplores.com/extras/apollo11/hirasaki.html |archivedate=March 19, 2006 |accessdate=June 14, 2013}}</ref> On August 10, 1969, the astronauts exited quarantine.<br />
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===Celebration===<br />
[[File:New York City Welcomes the Apollo 11 Astronauts - GPN-2002-000034.jpg|thumb|Parade in New York]]<br />
On August 13, they rode in parades in their honor in New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles. On the same evening in Los Angeles there was an official [[State dinner|State Dinner]] to celebrate the flight, attended by members of Congress, 44 governors, the [[Chief Justice of the United States]], and ambassadors from 83 nations at the [[Century Plaza Hotel]]. President Richard Nixon and [[Vice President of the United States|Vice President]] [[Spiro Agnew|Spiro T. Agnew]] honored each astronaut with a presentation of the [[Presidential Medal of Freedom]]. This celebration was the beginning of a 45-day "Giant Leap" tour that brought the astronauts to 25 foreign countries and included visits with prominent leaders such as [[Elizabeth II|Queen Elizabeth II]] of the United Kingdom. Many nations honored the first manned [[Moon landing]] with special features in magazines or by issuing Apollo 11 commemorative postage stamps or coins.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article43460781 |title=The Australian Women's Weekly. |newspaper=[[Australian Women's Weekly|The Australian Women's Weekly (1933 - 1982)]] |location=1933–1982 |date=23 July 1969 |accessdate=19 July 2013 |page=1 |publisher=National Library of Australia}}</ref><ref>{{Wayback |url=http://www.lunarhall.org/missions/apollo/11.html |title=Lunar Hall of Fame: Apollo 11 |date=20081024222503}}</ref><br />
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On September 16, 1969, the three astronauts spoke before a [[joint session of the United States Congress|joint session of Congress]] on [[Capitol Hill]]. They presented two US flags, one to the House of Representatives and the other to the Senate, that had been carried to the surface of the Moon with them.<br />
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==Moon race==<br />
[[File:Luna-16.jpg|thumb|180px|Artist's impression of Luna 15]]<br />
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The [[Soviet Union]] was secretly attempting to compete with the US in landing a man on the Moon but had been hampered by repeated failures in development of [[N1 (rocket)|a launcher comparable to the Saturn V]].<ref name="sovlun">{{cite web |url=http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/science-technology-and-society/sts-471j-engineering-apollo-the-moon-project-as-a-complex-system-spring-2007/readings/soviet_mand_lunr.pdf |title=The Soviet Manned Lunar Program |last=Lindroos |first=Marcus |work=[[MIT OpenCourseWare]] |publisher=[[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]] |format=PDF |accessdate=October 4, 2011}}</ref> Meanwhile, they tried to beat the US to return lunar material to the Earth by means of [[Unmanned spacecraft|unmanned probes]]. On July 13, three days before Apollo 11's launch, they launched [[Luna 15]], which reached lunar orbit before Apollo 11. During descent, a malfunction caused Luna 15 to crash in [[Mare Crisium]] about two hours before Armstrong and Aldrin took off from the surface. The [[Jodrell Bank Observatory]] radio telescope in England was later discovered to have recorded transmissions from Luna 15 during its descent, and this was published in July 2009 on the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11.<ref>{{cite news |title=Recording tracks Russia's Moon gatecrash attempt |first=Jonathan |last=Brown |url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/recording-tracks-russias-moon-gatecrash-attempt-1730851.html |work=[[The Independent]] |publisher=Independent Print Limited |location=London |date=July 3, 2009 |accessdate=January 10, 2011}}</ref><br />
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==Spacecraft location==<br />
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The Command Module is displayed at the [[National Air and Space Museum]], Washington, D.C. It is in the central ''Milestones of Flight'' exhibition hall in front of the Jefferson Drive entrance, sharing the main hall with other pioneering flight vehicles such as the [[Wright Flyer]], the ''[[Spirit of St. Louis]]'', the [[Bell X-1]], the [[North American X-15]], [[Project Mercury|Mercury]] spacecraft ''[[Friendship 7]]'', and [[Gemini 4]]. Armstrong's and Aldrin's space suits are displayed in the museum's ''Apollo to the Moon'' exhibit. The quarantine trailer, the flotation collar, and the righting spheres are displayed at the Smithsonian's [[Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center]] annex near [[Washington Dulles International Airport]] in Virginia.<br />
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In 2009 the [[Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter]] (LRO) imaged the various Apollo landing sites on the surface of the Moon with sufficient resolution to see the descent stages of the lunar modules, scientific instruments, and foot trails made by the astronauts.<br />
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In March 2012 [[Amazon.com|Amazon]] founder [[Jeff Bezos]] located the [[F-1 (rocket engine)|F-1 engines]] that launched Apollo 11 into space. The engines were found below the [[Atlantic Ocean]]'s surface through the use of advanced sonar scanning. His team brought at least one of the five engines to the surface.<ref>{{cite news |title=Amazon boss Jeff Bezos 'finds Apollo 11 Moon engines' |url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17544565 |work=BBC News |publisher=BBC |location=London |date=March 28, 2012 |accessdate=June 14, 2013}}</ref> In July 2013, it was confirmed though serial numbers (2044) that F-1 engine parts brought up from the depths of the Atlantic Ocean were from the Apollo 11 launch.<ref>{{cite news |title=Apollo 11 rocket engines that put man on the moon discovered at bottom of the Atlantic and confirmed a day before the 44th anniversary of Armstrong's first steps |first=Ryan |last=Gorman |url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2371494/Apollo-11-rocket-engines-moon-landing-mission-confirmed-ocean.html |work=[[Mail Online]] |publisher=[[DMG Media]] |location=London |date=July 20, 2013 |accessdate=July 20, 2013}}</ref><br />
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==Additional details==<br />
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Several books indicate early mission timelines had Buzz Aldrin rather than Neil Armstrong as the first man on the Moon.<ref name="chaikin">{{cite book | author = Chaikin, Andrew | title = A Man on the Moon | publisher = [[Penguin Group]] | year = 1998 | isbn = 0-14-027201-1 }}</ref><br />
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==40th anniversary events==<br />
[[File:Mike Simons, Director of the National Electronic Museum in Baltimore assembles an Apollo TV camera for display.jpg|thumb|270px|Mike Simons, director of the [[National Electronics Museum]], assembles an Apollo TV camera for display at the [[Newseum]]]]<br />
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On July 15, 2009, [[Life (magazine)|Life.com]] released a photo gallery of previously unpublished photos of the astronauts taken by ''Life'' photographer [[Ralph Morse]] prior to the Apollo 11 launch.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://life.time.com/history/photos-up-close-with-apollo-11/#1 |title=LIFE: Up Close With Apollo 11 |work=[[Life (magazine)|Life]] |publisher=[[Time Inc.]] |accessdate=June 14, 2013}}</ref><br />
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From July 16–24, 2009, NASA streamed the original mission audio on its website in real time 40 years to the minute after the events occurred.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/apollo11_audio.html |title=Apollo 11 Onboard Audio |work=Apollo 40th Anniversary |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 14, 2013}}</ref><br />
In addition, it is in the process of restoring the video footage and has released a preview of key moments.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/apollo11_hdpage.html |title=Apollo 11 Partial Restoration HD Videos (Downloads) |editor-last=Garner |editor-first=Robert |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 14, 2013}}</ref><br />
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On July 20, 2009, the crew of Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins met with U.S. President [[Barack Obama]] at the White House.<ref>http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1422.html</ref> "We expect that there is, as we speak, another generation of kids out there who are looking up at the sky and are going to be the next Armstrong, Collins and Aldrin," Obama said. "We want to make sure that NASA is going to be there for them when they want to take their journey."<ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/science/space/21obama.html</ref><br />
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The [[John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum]] set up a [[Adobe Flash|Flash]] website that rebroadcasts the transmissions of Apollo 11 from launch to landing on the Moon.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://wechoosethemoon.org/|title=We Choose the Moon|publisher=[[John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum]]|accessdate=July 19, 2009| archiveurl= http://web.archive.org/web/20090721164241/http://wechoosethemoon.org/| archivedate= July 21, 2009 <!--DASHBot-->| deadurl= no}}</ref><br />
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A group of British scientists interviewed as part of the anniversary events reflected on the significance of the Moon landing:<br />
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It was carried out in a technically brilliant way with risks taken&nbsp;... that would be inconceivable in the risk-averse world of today&nbsp;... The Apollo programme is arguably the greatest technical achievement of mankind to date&nbsp;... nothing since Apollo has come close [to] the excitement that was generated by those astronauts - Armstrong, Aldrin and the 10 others who followed them.<ref>{{Cite news |title=Moon landings: British scientists salute space heroes |url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/5848707/Moon-landings-British-scientists-salute-space-heroes.html |work=[[The Daily Telegraph]] |publisher=[[Telegraph Media Group]] |location=London |date=July 17, 2009 |accessdate=June 14, 2013}}</ref></blockquote><br />
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On August 7, 2009, an act of Congress awarded the three astronauts a [[Congressional Gold Medal]], the highest civilian award in the United States. The bill was sponsored by Florida Sen. [[Bill Nelson]] and Florida Rep. [[Alan Grayson]].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s951/text |title=Text of S.951 as Engrossed in Senate: New Frontier Congressional Gold Medal Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress |publisher=OpenCongress.org |accessdate=June 14, 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2245/text |title=Text of H.R.2245 as Enrolled Bill: New Frontier Congressional Gold Medal Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress |publisher=OpenCongress.org |accessdate=June 14, 2013}}</ref><br />
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In July 2010, air to ground voice recordings and film footage shot in Mission Control during the Apollo 11 powered descent and landing was re-synchronised and released for the first time.<ref>{{Cite news |title=Sound restored to mission control film shot during Apollo 11 moon landing |first=Christopher |last=Riley |authorlink=Christopher Riley |url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2010/jul/20/sound-apollo-11-moon-landing |work=[[The Guardian]] |publisher=[[Guardian Media Group]] |location=London |date=July 20, 2010 |accessdate=July 11, 2013}}</ref><br />
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==Gallery==<br />
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File:Apollo 11 Liftoff Spectators - GPN-2000-001852.jpg|Spectators camp out to watch the launch<br />
File:Engineers Working apollo 11.png|[[Launch Control Center]] before liftoff<br />
File:Guenter Wendt and the Apollo 11 Crew.jpg|Astronauts after a Countdown Demonstration Test<br />
File:Ap11-KSC-69PC-241HR.jpg|Roll out of Saturn V on launch pad<br />
File:Apollo 11 Earth.jpg|The Earth seen from Apollo 11 looking back<br />
File:A11v 1092338.ogg|Neil Armstrong describes the Moon's surface before setting foot on it<br />
File:President Nixon telephones the Apollo 11 crew on the Moon.ogg|President Nixon speaks to Armstrong and Aldrin from the Oval Office<br />
File:Land on the Moon 7 21 1969-repair.jpg|''[[The Washington Post]]'' on Monday, July 21, 1969: "'The Eagle Has Landed'—Two Men Walk on the Moon"<br />
File:NASA Armstrong 1969 scout.png|Neil Armstrong's certification: "I certify that this World Scout Badge was carried to the surface of the Moon on man's first lunar landing, Apollo XI, July 20, 1969."<br />
File:First Man on Moon 1969 Issue-10c.jpg|[[US space exploration history on US stamps|First Man on the Moon Commemorative Issue of 1969]] <br />
File:Apollo 11 - Crew at the White House.jpg|Apollo 11 crew at the White House in 2004<br />
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==See also==<br />
{{Portal|Spaceflight|Houston}}<br />
*[[commons:Apollo 11 flight|Apollo 11 flight, artist concept]] (an illustrated timeline)<br />
*[[Apollo 11 in popular culture]]<br />
*[[Apollo 11 missing tapes]]<br />
*[[Apollo Guidance Computer]]<br />
*[[Google Moon]]<br />
*[[List of man-made objects on the Moon]]<br />
*[[List of spacewalks and moonwalks 1965–1999]]<br />
*[[Moon landing conspiracy theories]]<br />
*[[Wernher von Braun]]<br />
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==Notes==<br />
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==References==<br />
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==Further reading==<br />
*{{Cite book |last=Cappellari |first=J.O. Jr. |title=Where on the Moon? An Apollo Systems Engineering Problem |series=''[[Bell System Technical Journal]]'' |volume=51 |number=5 |date=May–June 1972 |publisher=[[AT&T Corporation|American Telephone and Telegraph Company]] |location=New York |oclc=17779623 |pages=955–1127}}<br />
*{{Cite book |last=Barbour |first=John Andrews |others=Writers and editors of the [[Associated Press]]. Manuscript by John Barbour |title=Footprints on the Moon |year=1969 |publisher=Associated Press |location=New York |oclc=26341}}<br />
*{{Cite book |last1=French |first1=Francis |authorlink1=Francis French |last2=Burgess |first2=Colin |authorlink2=Colin Burgess (author) |others=Foreword by [[Walter Cunningham]] |title=[[In the Shadow of the Moon (book)|In the Shadow of the Moon: A Challenging Journey to Tranquility, 1965–1969]] |series=Outward Odyssey: A People's History of Spaceflight |year=2007 |publisher=[[University of Nebraska Press]] |location=Lincoln, NE |isbn=978-0-8032-1128-5}}<br />
*{{Cite book |last=Rahman |first=Tahir |title=We Came in Peace for All Mankind: The Untold Story of the Apollo 11 Silicon Disc |edition=1st |publisher=Leathers Publishing |location=Overland Park, KS |year=2008 |isbn=978-1-58597-441-2}}<br />
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'''For young readers'''<br />
*{{Cite book |last=Aldrin |first=Buzz |authorlink=Buzz Aldrin |others=Paintings by Wendell Minor |title=Reaching for the Moon |edition=1st |year=2005 |publisher=[[HarperCollins]] |location=New York |pages=40 pages |nopp=y |isbn=0-06-055446-0}}<br />
*{{Cite book |last=Floca |first=Brian |authorlink=Brian Floca |title=Moonshot: The Flight of Apollo 11 |year=2009 |publisher=[[Atheneum Books|Atheneum Books for Young Readers]] |location=New York |pages=48 pages |nopp=y |isbn=978-1-4169-5046-2}}<br />
*{{Cite book |last=Thimmesh |first=Catherine |title=Team Moon: How 400,000 People Landed Apollo 11 on the Moon |year=2006 |publisher=Houghton Mifflin Company |location=New York |pages=80 pages |nopp=y |isbn=978-0-618-50757-3}}<br />
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==External links==<br />
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*[http://apollo11.spacelog.org/ "Apollo 11 transcripts"] at [http://spacelog.org/ Spacelog]<br />
*[http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11_eva_thumbs.html "Magnificent Desolation: The Apollo 11 Moonwalk Pictures"] by [http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj Apollo Lunar Surface Journal] contributor Joseph O'Dea. Complete gallery of Apollo 11 EVA pictures.<br />
*[http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo11info.html "Apollo 11"] Detailed mission information by Dr. David R. Williams, NASA [[Goddard Space Flight Center]]<br />
*[http://blaisephoto.fr/photographies-de-la-mission-apollo-11-nasa.php "Apollo 11"] Photographer Blaise Thirard's presentation of Apollo 11 photographs<br />
*{{cite news |title=Men on the Moon |url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/system/topicRoot/Men_on_the_moon/ |newspaper=[[The Times]] |publisher=[[News Corporation]] |location=London |accessdate=May 24, 2013 |archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/20100531095612/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/system/topicRoot/Men_on_the_moon/ |archivedate=May 31, 2010}} Original reports from ''The Times'' (London)<br />
*{{cite web|url=http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/|title=Apollo 40th Anniversary|publisher=NASA|date=July 2009|accessdate=July 18, 2009| archiveurl= http://web.archive.org/web/20090718120003/http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/| archivedate= July 18, 2009 <!--DASHBot-->| deadurl= no}} NASA website honoring the mission<br />
*[http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-111507a.html "The untold story: how one small silicon disc delivered a giant message to the Moon"] at collectSPACE.com<br />
*[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0714_040714_moonlanding.html "Apollo Anniversary: Moon Landing 'Inspired World'"] National Geographic News, July 16, 2004 - 35th anniversary of Apollo 11; Steven Dick, NASA's chief historian: "...&nbsp;a thousand years from now, that step may be considered the crowning achievement of the 20th century."<br />
*[http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-amp-space/article/2009-06/40-years-later-ten-things-you-didnt-know-about-apollo-ii-moon-landing "Ten Things You Didn't Know About the Apollo 11 Moon Landing"] by Craig Nelson, ''[[Popular Mechanics]]'', July 13, 2009<br />
*[http://www.radiotapes.com/specialpostings.html#Apollo11 "Coverage of the Flight of Apollo 11 - (1969)"] provided by Todd Kosovich for RadioTapes.com. Radio station recordings (airchecks) covering the flight of Apollo 11.<br />
*[http://buzzaldrin.com/the-man/space-missions/ "Space Missions"] at Buzz Aldrin's official website<br />
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'''NASA reports'''<br />
*[http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11_PressKit.pdf "Apollo 11 Lunar Landing Mission"] (PDF) - NASA press kit, Release No: 69-83K, July 6, 1969<br />
*{{cite web |url=http://history.nasa.gov/apsr/apsr.htm|title=Apollo Program Summary Report |work=NASA History Program Office |publisher=NASA |date=April 1975 |accessdate=September 23, 2006 |archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/20060929004340/http://history.nasa.gov/apsr/apsr.htm |archivedate= September 29, 2006 <!--DASHBot-->| deadurl= no}} - 200+ pages<br />
*{{cite book |last=Ertel |first=Ivan |others= Morse, M.L.; Bays, J.K.; Brooks, C.G.; Newkirk, R.W. |title=The Apollo Spacecraft: A Chronology |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4009/cover.htm |accessdate=September 23, 2006 |volume=I–IV |year=1969–1978 |publisher=NASA |location=Washington, D.C. |oclc=23818 |lccn=69-60008 |id=NASA SP-4009}}<br />
*{{cite web|url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11MIssionReport_1971015566.pdf|title=Apollo 11 Mission Report|format=PDF |year=1971|publisher=NASA}} - 230 pages<br />
*{{cite web|url=http://history.nasa.gov/ap11-35ann/apollo11_log/log.htm|title=EP-72 Log of Apollo 11|work=NASA History Program Office|publisher=NASA|accessdate=January 16, 2006}} - Timeline of the mission, from [http://history.nasa.gov/ap11-35ann/index.htm "One Giant Leap for Mandkind,"] 2004.<br />
*[http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp NASA Technical Reports Server]<br />
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'''Multimedia'''<br />
*{{cite web |url=http://life.time.com/history/apollo-11-to-the-moon-and-back-life-covers-the-1969-lunar-landing/#1 |title='To the Moon and Back': LIFE Covers the Apollo 11 Mission |accessdate=July 20, 2013}} - ''[[Life (magazine)|Life]]'' magazine Special Edition, August 11, 1969<br />
*{{cite web |url=http://www.life.com/image/first/in-gallery/23232/apollo-11-scenes-from-the-moon |title=Apollo 11: Scenes From the Moon |archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/20090717195032/http://www.life.com/image/first/in-gallery/23232/apollo-11-scenes-from-the-moon |archivedate=July 17, 2009 |accessdate=June 13, 2013}} - slideshow by ''Life'' magazine<br />
*{{cite web |url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/apollo11_hdpage.html |title=Apollo 11 Partial Restoration HD Videos (Downloads) |editor-last=Garner |editor-first=Robert |publisher=NASA |accessdate=June 13, 2013}} - Remastered videos of the original landing.<br />
*{{cite web |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.html |title=Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal |year=1995 |editor-last=Jones |editor-first=Eric M. Jones |work=Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal |publisher=NASA |accessdate=September 23, 2006}} - Transcripts and audio clips of important parts of the mission<br />
*{{cite web |url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html |title=Apollo 11 Image Library |editor1-last=Jones |editor1-first=Eric M. |editor2-last=Glover |editor2-first=Ken |year=1995–2009 |work=Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal |publisher=NASA |accessdate=September 23, 2006}} - Hundreds of high-resolution images of the mission, including assembled panoramas.<br />
*{{cite web |url=http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/LunarAtlas/maps/ |title=''Apollo'' Mission Traverse Maps |publisher=[[United States Geological Survey|USGS]] |accessdate=September 23, 2006 |archiveurl= http://web.archive.org/web/20060924151815/http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/LunarAtlas/maps/ |archivedate=September 24, 2006}} - Several maps showing routes of moonwalks<br />
*[http://moon.google.com/ Google Moon] - with lunar landing sites tagged<br />
*[http://moonpans.com/vr Apollo Lunar Surface VR Panoramas] at moonpans.com<br />
*[http://apollo.sese.asu.edu/ Apollo Image Archive] at [[Arizona State University]]<br />
*[http://www.apollotv.net/ Apollo launch and mission videos] at ApolloTV.net<br />
*[http://wechoosethemoon.org/ Real-time audiovisual recreation of the Apollo 11 mission] to coincide with the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11, from the [[John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum]]<br />
*[http://www.firstmenonthemoon.com/ Real-time audiovisual recreation of the lunar module landing] with audio feeds from the crew of Apollo 11 and Ground Control<br />
*{{YouTube|id=JC-cyoqKjpQ|title=Moonwalk One - Apollo 11 : Neil Armstrong - The First Man on the Moon - 1969 NASA Documentary}}<br />
*{{YouTube|id=keoF8YmTjWg|title=The Eagle Has Landed : The Flight of Apollo 11 & Neil Armstrong Landing on the Moon - NASA Documentary}}<br />
*{{YouTube|id=yeG8QUs5I0I|title=Apollo 11 "For All of Mankind" : Neil Armstrong Landing On The Moon - NASA Documentary}}<br />
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| Name = Legacy<br />
| Cover = <br />
| Artist = [[Eminem]] <br />
| Album = [[The Marshall Mathers LP 2]] <br />
| Released = November 5, 2013<br />
| Format = [[Music download|Digital download]]<br />
| Recorded = 2012; Effigy Studios ([[Ferndale, Michigan]])<ref name="xxlmag1">{{cite web|url=http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2013/11/eminem-real-production-credits-mmlp-2/ |title=Here Are Eminem's Real Production Credits For 'MMLP 2' - XXL |publisher=Xxlmag.com |date=2013-11-01 |accessdate=2013-11-26}}</ref><br />
| track_no = 6<br />
| Genre = [[Hip hop music|Hip hop]]<br />
| Length = {{Duration|m=4|s=56}}<br />
| Label = [[Aftermath Entertainment]], [[Shady Records]], [[Interscope Records]]<br />
| Writer = [[Eminem|Marshall Mathers]], Polina Goudieva, David Brook, [[Emile Haynie]]<br />
| Producer = [[Emile Haynie]]<br />
| Type = Song<br />
| prev = "[[Survival (Eminem song)|Survival]]"<br />
| prev_no = 5<br />
| next = "Asshole"<br />
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"'''Legacy'''" is a song by American [[hip hop music|hip hop]] [[recording artist]] [[Eminem]], taken from his eighth studio album ''[[The Marshall Mathers LP 2]]'' (2013). The song, which is the sixth track on the album, discusses Eminem's dysfunctional childhood. The song was [[Record production|produced]] by American record producer [[Emile Haynie]] and written by Marshall Mathers, Polina Goudieva, David Brook and Emile Haynie. The song features additional vocals from Russian singer- songwriter Polina. "Legacy" was met with generally positive reviews from [[music critic]]s upon the album's release. The song has since peaked at number 44 on the US ''Billboard'' [[Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs]].<br />
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== Background and theme ==<br />
The song primarily discusses Eminem's dysfunctional childhood upbringing in [[Detroit, Michigan]].<ref>{{cite web|author=By Julia LeConte |url=http://www.nowtoronto.com/music/story.cfm?content=195155 |title=Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP 2 &#124; NOW Magazine |publisher=Nowtoronto.com |date=2013-11-05 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> The song mirrors "[[Lose Yourself]]" in explaining how important music was in directing the young Eminem's life.<ref>{{cite web|last=Wood |first=Mikael |url=http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-review-eminems-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2-20131101,0,1566056.story#axzz2lLy1mHn3 |title=Review: Eminem's furious 'The Marshall Mathers LP 2' |publisher=latimes.com |date=2013-11-01 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> He cites Queens' [[hardcore hip hop]] group [[Onyx (group)|Onyx]] as an example of what he would listen to at the time.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1717243/eminem-marshall-mathers-lp-2-lyrics-shout-out.jhtml |title=Eminem Name-Drops Everyone In Hip-Hop On MMLP2: Did You Catch All 43? - Music, Celebrity, Artist News |publisher=MTV.com |date=2013-11-12 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> In "Legacy," Eminem recounts how shy and awkward he was as a child; even shoved into a lockers in school, and then details how he gains self-esteem and hope through rap.<ref>{{cite web|author=Christina Lee |url=http://www.mtvhive.com/2013/11/08/eminem-mmlp2/ |title=Eminem’s ‘MMLP2′: Who Is The Real Slim Shady Targeting Now? |publisher=MTV Hive |date= |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> In the end he discovers rapping is his legacy and maybe having his brain wired differently was all worth it.<ref name="hitfix1">{{cite web|last=Newman |first=Melinda |url=http://www.hitfix.com/news/eminems-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2-is-a-compelling-disturbed-return-to-form-review |title=Eminems The Marshall Mathers LP 2 is a compelling, disturbed return to form: Track-by-track review |publisher=Hitfix.com |date=2013-11-04 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Eminem has stated that he intended for Legacy to be a "self-empowerment" song, relatable to those who no one had believed in. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/eminem-q-a-exclusive-the-making-of-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2-20131101 |title=Eminem Q&A Exclusive: The Making of 'The Marshall Mathers LP 2' |publisher=rollingstone.com |date=2013-11-01 |accessdate=2013-12-26}}</ref><br />
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The song also contains numerous football references including to, [[Brian Dawkins]], [[Detroit Lions]], [[New York Giants]], [[Atlanta Falcons]], [[Miami Dolphins]], the [[Body Bag Game]], [[Brian Baldinger]], and [[Dick Butkus]].<ref>{{cite web|author=By Simon van Zuylen-Wood |url=http://www.phillymag.com/news/2013/11/08/eminem-name-checks-brian-dawkins-new-song/ |title=Eminem Name-Checks Brian Dawkins in New Song &#124; News &#124; Philadelphia Magazine |publisher=Phillymag.com |date=2013-11-08 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Most notably he mentions the Lion's 0-16 [[2008 Detroit Lions season|2008]] season.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/10/30/eminem-mentions-the-0-16-lions-in-new-song-legacy/ |title=Eminem Mentions The 0-16 Lions In New Song ‘Legacy’ « CBS Detroit |publisher=Detroit.cbslocal.com |date=2013-10-30 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Onyx's [[Fredro Starr]] praised Eminem for mentioning the group. He also pointed out that it connected the two ''Marshall Mathers LP''{{'}}s as Onyx's [[Sticky Fingaz]] was featured on ''[[The Marshall Mathers LP]]'' on the song "Remember Me?".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2013/11/onyxs-fredro-starr-says-eminem-always-shown-love/ |title=Onyx's Fredro Starr Says Eminem Has "Always Shown Love" - XXL |publisher=Xxlmag.com |date=2013-11-06 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref><br />
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== Composition ==<br />
"Legacy" was written approximately two years ago during a session between singer-songwriter Polina and songwriter David Brook in New York. A few months later, Polina visited Interscope executive Neil Jacobson, who, upon hearing the song, commanded her: "Don't play this for anyone. It's an Eminem record." The following week, Polina and Brook joined Emile in the studio where he produced the song and then sent it to Eminem. Eminem added his own verses to the song, but left Polina's vocals untouched. The song's production and overall tone earned comparisons to Eminem's hit song "[[Stan (song)|Stan]]".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://thesource.com/2013/11/18/exclusive-interview-russian-singer-polina-explains-how-legacy-on-eminems-marshall-mathers-lp-2-almost-didnt-happen/ |title=Polina, Songwriter On "The Marshall Mathers LP 2," Details Eminem's "Legacy"|publisher=Cheri Media Group}}</ref><br />
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Eminem has stated that the rhyming words used in the song remain unchanged, as he wanted to challenge himself. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/eminem-q-a-exclusive-the-making-of-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2-20131101 |title=Eminem Q&A Exclusive: The Making of 'The Marshall Mathers LP 2' |publisher=rollingstone.com |date=2013-11-01 |accessdate=2013-12-26}}</ref><br />
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== Critical reception ==<br />
"Legacy" was met with generally positive reviews from [[music critic]]s. Andy Gill of ''[[The Independent]]'' highlighted "Legacy" as one of the album's best songs.<ref>{{cite web|author=Andy Gill |url=http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/album-review-eminem-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2-shadyinterscope-8926714.html |title=Album review: Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP 2 (Shady/Interscope) - Reviews - Music |publisher=The Independent |date=2013-11-08 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Greg Kot writing for the ''[[Chicago Tribune]]'' said, " "Legacy" reprises the formula for ''The Marshall Mathers LP''-era hit "Stan" with introspective rhymes tied to a female vocal hook."<ref>{{cite web|author=Greg Kot |url=http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-11-03/entertainment/chi-eminem-marshall-mathers-lp2-review-20131103_1_marshall-mathers-lp2-slim-shady-most-revered-albums |title=Eminem album review; The Marshall Mathers LP2 reviewed - Chicago Tribune |publisher=Articles.chicagotribune.com |date=2013-11-03 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Gabriel Alvarez of ''[[Complex (magazine)|Complex]]'' stated, ""Legacy" is a unique entry in Eminem's catalog because it shows an emotional growth that Eminem didn’t always seem capable of. He shoveled shit his entire life and often seemed unable to forgive his mother, his detractors, and ultimately himself for everything he had been through. Yet on "Legacy" he finally finds Eminem able to appreciate his great gift, even if it came at a great expense."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.complex.com/music/2013/11/the-100-best-eminem-songs-of-all-time/eminem-legacy |title=#63. Eminem “Legacyâ€? (2013) — The 100 Best Eminem Songs |publisher=Complex |date=2013-11-05 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Roman Cooper of [[HipHopDX]] credited "Legacy" for doing "a great job of carrying Em's wicked rhymes."<ref>{{cite web|last=Cooper |first=Roman |url=http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.2174/title.eminem-marshall-mathers-lp-2 |title=Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP 2 &#124; Read Hip Hop Reviews, Rap Reviews & Hip Hop Album Reviews |publisher=HipHop DX |date=2013-11-04 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Ryan Bassil of ''[[Vice (magazine)|Vice]]'' said, "Legacy" was, the perfect summation of an album that is both self-aware and introspective, but still brash and cleverly comedic."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/the-marshall-mathers-lp-2-is-the-album-that-every-eminem-fan-could-have-hoped-for |title='The Marshall Mathers LP 2' is the Album Every Eminem Stan's Been Waiting For &#124; NOISEY |publisher=Noisey.vice.com |date=2013-10-31 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Melinda Newman of [[HitFix]] gave the song a B- rating and said, "It’s as close as Eminem gets to a self-empowerment song."<ref name="hitfix1"/><br />
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Josh Weiner of ''[[The Tufts Daily]]'' stated, "Always renowned for his storytelling gifts, Eminem shows audiences what he’s made of with tracks like the introspective "Legacy".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tuftsdaily.com/arts/album-review-eminem-s-first-album-in-three-years-a-success-1.2846499#.UrISvvRDv55 |title=Album Review &#124; Eminem’s first album in three years a success - Arts - Tufts Daily - Tufts University |publisher=Tufts Daily |date=2013-11-12 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> " Matt Shinseki of ''[[Campus Times]]'' said, "Songs such as "Stronger Than I Was" and "Legacy" are unexpectedly profound reflections on how far Eminem has come from his troubled childhood in 8 Mile, Michigan. The lyrics in these tracks are reminiscent of some of his earliest work and are comforting for long-time fans that worry that Eminem may forget his roots."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.campustimes.org/2013/11/07/eminem-belts-out-brilliance-in-swift-profound-mathers/ |title=Eminem belts out brilliance in swift, profound ‘Mathers’ |publisher=Campus Times |date=2013-11-07 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Jay Soul of RapReviews said, "Nobody can place himself within the psyche of bullied school kids like Marshall Mathers III, and "Legacy" provides a highlight - almost like the audio version of the "[[No Love]]" video."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.rapreviews.com/archive/2013_11F_mathers2.html |title=Feature for November 5, 2013 - Eminem's "The Marshall Mathers LP 2" |publisher=Rapreviews.com |date=2013-11-05 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Stephen Deusner of ''[[Paste (magazine)|Paste]]'' stated, ""Legacy" seems like the most baffling anti-bullying anthem imaginable, at least until you realize it’s about how you shouldn’t bully Eminem."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2013/11/eminem-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2.html |title=Eminem: The Marshall Mathers LP 2 :: Music :: Reviews :: Paste |publisher=Pastemagazine.com |date=2013-11-05 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref><br />
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Christopher R. Weingarten of ''[[Spin (magazine)|Spin]]'' compared "Legacy" to Eminem's previous more [[pop music|pop]] oriented album ''[[Recovery (Eminem album)|Recovery]]'' and deemed it skippable.<ref>{{cite web|last=Weingarten |first=Christopher R. |url=http://www.spin.com/reviews/eminem-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2-kendrick-lamar-rick-rubin/ |title=Eminem, 'The Marshall Mathers LP 2' Review |publisher=Spin.com |date= |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Mike Diver of ''[[Clash (magazine)|Clash]]'' stated, "His ear for a great melody underpinning caustic wordplay remains in flashes, but it’s consistently overwhelmed by too many formulaic arrangements leaning on hooks from female vocalists. "Legacy" is a rudimentary rant balanced by a sweet contribution from Polina."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.clashmusic.com/reviews/eminem-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2 |title=Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP 2 &#124; Reviews &#124; Clash Magazine |publisher=Clashmusic.com |date= |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref> Craig Jenkins of [[Pitchfork Media]] said, ""Legacy" pulls all manner of cockamamie pronunciation gymnastics just so Eminem can end every line with the same rhyming syllables, and the song’s decision to dispense with proper word accents and splay sentences haphazardly across the middle of lines makes for a flow that comes across overwrought and labored even as it plays Frankenstein with conventional word choice and rhyme patterns."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18733-eminem-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2/ |title=Eminem: The Marshall Mathers LP 2 &#124; Album Reviews |publisher=Pitchfork |date=2013-11-06 |accessdate=2013-12-18}}</ref><br />
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|birth_date = Nov. 4th, 1947<br />
|birth_place = Birmingham, England<br />
|occupation = Physics Instructor and Entertainer<br />
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'''David G. Willey''' (born November 4, 1947), known as the '''Mad Scientist''', is a [[physics]] instructor at the [[University of Pittsburgh]]<ref name="University of Pittsburg">http://www.pitt.edu/</ref> in Johnstown, [[Pennsylvania]]. Physics has been a major interest in his life since he attended [[The Coleshill School]] in Coleshill and the [[John Port School]] in Etwall Derbyshire.<ref name="John Port School">http://www.johnport.derbyshire.sch.uk/</ref> He has been presenting physics shows since the early 1980’s. Willey is a scientific consultant for the skeptics group , C.S.I. ([[Committee for Skeptical Inquiry]]).<ref name="C.S.I.">http://www.csicop.org/si/show/physics_behind_four_amazing_demonstrations</ref> He also designs physics apparatus/equipment for the Science Kit Boreal Labs.<ref name="Science Kit">http://sciencekit.com/david-willey/a/362/</ref> In his spare time he enjoys hunting, gardening, woodworking, working with [[stained glass]], and playing golf.<br />
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==Education and Career==<br />
Willey studied at [[Aston University]]<ref name="Aston University">http://www1.aston.ac.uk/</ref> and [[Birmingham University]]<ref name="Birmingham University">http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/index.aspx</ref> from 1966 to 1971. Then he taught at Saltley Grammer School,<ref name="Saltley School">http://www.saltley.bham.sch.uk/</ref> in Birmingham from 1971 to 1972. Next, Willey moved from his home land of England to the United States and became enrolled at [[Ohio State University]].<ref name="OSU">http://www.osu.edu/</ref> He was in Columbus until he obtained his masters in physics in 1974. His first teaching position was with his current employer, the [[University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown]],<ref name="UPJ">http://www.upj.pitt.edu/</ref> Pennsylvania. In the early 1980’s, he performed his first physics show at the University’s open house.<br />
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A few months later, Willey made a 15 minute video of physics demonstrations with a group of troubled boys from a remand home. This video was played on local television for the public to see. A local school teacher saw Willey’s demonstrations and asked him to perform some of them for her class. Willey’s physics show, “How Does A Thing Like That Work?”<ref name="How Does A Thing Like That Work">http://www.dwilley.com/</ref> was born. His wife Raven became his [[assistant]].<br />
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Looking for the next big physics demonstrations, Willey found [[fire walking]]. He teamed up with the [[Norwegian people|Norwegian]] [[Physicist]], Kjetil Kjernsmo<ref name="Kjetil Kjernsmo">http://www.kjetil.kjernsmo.net/cv</ref> of [[University of Oslo]], to study the physics behind fire walking. They developed a computer model of a foot while a person fire walked. They needed data from long walks and hot walks to verify the computer model. A fire walking group from Seattle Washington volunteered to perform the first walk. On October 18, 1997, in Redmond Washington, Michael McDermott walked across a bed of [[coals]] that were at a temperature of 1813&deg;F.<ref name="Michael McDermott">http://www.weirdwashington.us/the%20cut.htm</ref> Willey also walked on that fire bed, but not at the record temperature.<br />
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Willey’s next, and most famous fire walk, was in July of 1998 at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown. This fire walk was 165 feet long to break the world record for the longest distance walking on fire.<ref name="Fire walk record">http://www.happinessquest.com/firewalk.html</ref> His walk was recorded and shown on television by the [[BBC]] and [[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]]. This got the attention of the producers of ''[[The Tonight Show with Jay Leno]]''. Willey’s nick-name, “Mad Scientist”, was born. For the next 10 years (1998-2008) Willey performed physics demonstrations on ''The Tonight Show''.<ref name="Tonight Show">http://dbpedia.org/page/David_Willey</ref> He appeared on the show 19 times. During this time, Willey also appeared on other television shows such as ''[[Time Warp]]'',<ref name='Time Warp">http://www.yourdiscovery.com/video/shows/time-warp</ref> ''Humanly Impossible'',<ref name="Humanly Impossible">http://dbpedia.org/page/David_Willey</ref> ''[[Talk Soup]]'',<ref name="Talk Soup">http://dbpedia.org/page/David_Willey</ref> ''Steve Harvey’s Big Time'',<ref name="Steve Harvey’s Big Time">http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2003/10/30/the-wb-maps-november-sweeps-plans-16237/6227/</ref> ''King 5 TV'',<ref name="King 5 TV">http://dbpedia.org/page/David_Willey</ref> ''[[Skeptical Inquirer]]'',<ref name="Skeptical Inquirer">http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/physics_instructor_who_walks_on_fire//</ref> ''Extreme Body Parts'',<ref name="Extreme Body Parts">http://dbpedia.org/page/David_Willey</ref> John Stossel’s ''Power of Belief'',<ref name="Power of Belief">http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief2.html</ref> the ''Crook and Chase Show'',<ref name="Crook and Chase Show">http://www.locatetv.com/tv/crook-and-chase/1506703/</ref> ''Science Park'',<ref name="Science Park">http://dbpedia.org/page/David_Willey</ref> ''[[Jensen!]]'',<ref name="Jensen">http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/search/index.xml?q=willey&zoek.x=46&zoek.y=8&t=article&t=video</ref> ''[[Johannes B. Kerner]]'',<ref name="Johannes B. Kerner">http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/362422/Eine+Frage+des+Glaubens+-+JBK+vom+15.11.#/beitrag/video/362422/Eine-Frage-des-Glaubens---JBK-vom-15.11./</ref> ''The Brian Conely Show'',<ref name="Brian Conely Show">http://dbpedia.org/page/David_Willey</ref> ''Fantasia'',<ref name="Fantasia">http://dbpedia.org/page/David_Willey</ref> ''[[Penn & Teller: Bullshit!]]'',<ref name="Bullshit!">http://dbpedia.org/page/David_Willey</ref> ''Wednesday Night at the Lab'',<ref name="Wednesday Night at the Lab">http://eventful.com/madison/events/wednesday-night-lab-/E0-001-008327641-0/</ref> part of the 25th ''Wonders of Physics'' in Madison, Wisconsin,<ref name="Wonders of Physics">http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/demobook/uwpress.htm</ref> and a seven part series on the [[Shaolin Monks]] for the ''Canadian Discovery Channel''.<ref name="Canadian Discovery Channel">http://dbpedia.org/page/David_Willey</ref><br />
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==Physics Shows==<br />
The hit show that Willey and his wife present is called “How Does A Thing Like That Work?” and is used to generate interest in physics. There are approximately 25 different demonstrations per show, which lasts about a [[microcentury]]. The show is audience interactive, fast paced, and visually interesting. During the show, demonstrations are chosen from all of the areas of [[classical physics]]. He also presents fire walks as shows too. Willey has performed physics shows at multiple universities and conferences within the United States and in [[Vancouver, Canada]]. He also has performed at major science centers such as the Carnegie Mellon Science Center,<ref name="Carnegie Mellon Science Center">http://tribune-review-pittsburgh.vlex.com/vid/carnegie-science-stunt-willey-214498503/</ref> [[New York Museum of Natural History]],<ref name="New York Museum of Natural History">http://www.pitt.edu/~dwilley/Welcome.html</ref> the Chicago Science Museum,<ref name="Chicago Science Museum">http://www.msichicago.org/whats-here/exhibits/75th-celebration//</ref> and the Singapore Science Center.<ref name="Singapore Science Center">http://intranet.raptech.com.sg/science07/eventDetail.asp?id=153</ref><br />
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==Personal Life==<br />
Willey’s wife, Raven, is a bead artist who makes personal jewelry and clothing.<ref name="Jewelry">http://www.etsy.com/shop/spikedraven/</ref> They have two cats Dexter and Boggie. Willey has traveled to [[London]], [[Paris]], [[Beirut]], [[Amsterdam]], [[Seoul]], [[Singapore]], [[Malaga]], and Vancouver.<br />
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*[http://dwilley.com David G. Willey] Official website<br />
*[http://www.tv.com/david-g-willey/person/269298/summary.html David Willey] listed at [[TV.com]]<br />
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'''Joseph Vincent''' "'''Joe'''" '''Paterno''' ({{IPAc-en|p|ə|ˈ|t|ɜr|n|oʊ}}; December 21, 1926&nbsp;– January 22, 2012), often referred to as "'''JoePa'''," was an American [[college football]] coach who was the [[head coach]] of the [[Penn State Nittany Lions football|Penn State Nittany Lions]] for nearly 46&nbsp;years, from 1966 until 2011 when he was fired for failing to protect children from sexual abuse by his coaching staff.<ref>{{cite web|first=Tim|last=Layden<br />
|title=Joe Paterno 1926—2012: He was the winningest coach in major college football, an advocate for blending sports and academics to create the true student-athlete, and an iconic American sports figure—until an error in judgment clouded his legacy|date=January 30, 2012|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=SI.com|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1194183/index.htm|accessdate=2012-03-17}}</ref><ref name=thamel/><ref name="nyt-psu-child-abuse"/><ref name="usa-psu-child-abuse"/><ref name="psu-child-abuse"/> At the time of his death he held the record for the most victories by an [[NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision]] (FBS) football coach with 409 and was the only FBS coach to reach 400 victories.<ref name="fourhundred">{{cite news | url = http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-psu-northwestern-1106-20101106,0,6289111.story | title = Penn State rallies to win No. 400 for Paterno | work = [[The Morning Call]] | author = Wogenrich, Mark | date = November 6, 2010 | accessdate = November 6, 2010}}</ref> However the NCAA announced that the wins from 1998 on would be vacated, leaving him with 298 wins. He coached five undefeated teams that won major bowl games and, in 2007, was inducted into the [[College Football Hall of Fame]] as a coach. In November 2011, he was fired by the university as a result of the [[Penn State child sex abuse scandal|child sex abuse scandal at Penn State]] involving his former assistant coach [[Jerry Sandusky]].<ref>{{cite news |title=Paterno and Spanier both out at Penn State |author=Michael Sanserino |url= http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11313/1188812-100.stm |newspaper=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]] |date=November 9, 2011 |accessdate=November 19, 2011}}</ref> An investigation conducted by former FBI director [[Louis Freeh]] found, in July 2012, that it was reasonable to conclude that Paterno, along with other university officials, concealed facts related to an alleged 2001 incident of child sex abuse by Sandusky from outside authorities and the Penn State Board of Trustees. <ref>[http://thefreehreportonpsu.com], Freeh Report on the Pennyslvania State University, July 12, 2012, page 16</ref> <ref name="usa-psu-child-abuse"/><ref name="psu-child-abuse"/><ref name=nytJuly12>Ken Belson, [http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/sports/ncaafootball/13pennstate.html "Abuse Scandal Inquiry Damns Paterno and Penn State"], ''New York Times'', 13 July 2012</ref> In response, the NCAA vacated all of Panterno's victories from 1998-2011.<br />
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Paterno was born in [[Brooklyn, New York]] and attended [[Brown University]], where he played football both as the [[quarterback]] and a [[cornerback]]. Originally planning to be a lawyer, he instead signed on as an assistant football coach at Penn State in 1950, persuaded by his college coach [[Rip Engle]] who had taken over as Penn State's head coach. In 1966, Paterno was named as Engle's successor. He soon coached the team to two undefeated regular seasons in [[1968 college football season|1968]] and [[1969 college football season|1969]]. The team won two national championships—in [[1982 college football season|1982]] and [[1986 college football season|1986]]. In all, he led the Nittany Lions to 37 bowl appearances with 24 wins while turning down offers to coach [[National Football League|NFL]] teams, including the [[Pittsburgh Steelers]] and the [[New England Patriots]]. Paterno became the coach with the most wins in Division I history on October 29, 2011. <br />
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During his 61 years at Penn State, Paterno became a beloved figure in the college community. He was known for his game-day image, particularly his thick, square glasses. He and his wife, Sue, donated more than $4 million to Penn State, and funded the school's library that bears their names. Paterno died of complications from [[lung cancer]] on January 22, 2012.<br />
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==Early life==<br />
Paterno was born December 21, 1926, in [[Brooklyn]], New York, and throughout his life he spoke with a marked Brooklyn accent. His family is of [[Italian American|Italian ancestry]]. In 1944, Paterno graduated from the old [[Brooklyn Preparatory School]]. Six weeks later he was drafted into the Army. Paterno spent a year in the Army before being discharged in time to start the 1946 school year at [[Brown University]] where his tuition was paid for by [[Everett M. "Busy" Arnold|Busy Arnold]].<ref>{{cite book | title = Paterno by the Book | author = Joe Paterno with Berndard Absell | publisher = Random House | location = New York | ISBN = 0-394-56501-0 | year = 1989}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college/iowa/article_677e81fa-a9b9-11de-a0ef-001cc4c03286.html |title=How Well Do You Know JoePa?<!--spelling ok "JoePa"--> |date=September 25, 2009 |accessdate=2010-10-03 |first=Don| last=Doxsie| work=[[Waterloo Daily Courier]]|location=Waterloo, Iowa| archiveurl=http://liveweb.archive.org/http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college/iowa/article_677e81fa-a9b9-11de-a0ef-001cc4c03286.html | archivedate=November 9, 2011|deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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In college Paterno was a member of [[Delta Kappa Epsilon]] fraternity (Upsilon chapter).<ref>{{cite press release | title = DKE Mourns Loss of Brother Joe Paterno | publisher = Delta Kappa Epsilon International Fraternity | date = January 22, 2012 | url = http://dke.org/news.php?nid=1573 |accessdate = 2012-01-22}}</ref> He played quarterback and cornerback for the [[Brown Bears football|Brown Bears]], and shares the career record for interceptions with Greg Parker at 14.<ref name="brown football">{{cite web|url=http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/brow/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/FootballMediaGuide.pdf|title=2005 Brown University Football Media Guide|format=PDF|publisher=Brown University Sports Information Department|accessdate=2006-12-28|year=2005}}</ref> Paterno graduated in 1950. Although his father asked, "For God's sake, what did you go to college for?" after hearing of his career choice,<ref name="lopresti20081217">{{cite news|last=Lopresti|first=Mike|title=Paterno's run at Penn State is one long journey|url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2008-12-17-lopresti-paterno_N.htm|accessdate=2010-09-04|newspaper=USA Today|date=December 17, 2008}}</ref> Paterno joined [[Rip Engle]] as an assistant coach at Penn State in 1950; Engle had coached five seasons, 1944–1949, at Brown. Engle announced his retirement in February 1966, and Paterno was named his successor.<br />
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==Coaching history==<br />
Paterno's abbreviated [[2011 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2011 season]] was his 62nd on the Penn State coaching staff, which gave him the record for most seasons for any football coach at any university. The 2009 season was Paterno's 44th as [[head coach]] of the [[Nittany Lions]], passing [[Amos Alonzo Stagg]] for the most years as head coach at a single institution in Division I.<ref name="GoPSUSports">[http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/paterno_joe00.html Joe Paterno] GoPSUSports.com</ref><br />
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Paterno was known for his gameday image—thick glasses, rolled-up pants (by his admission, to save on cleaning bills), white socks and Brooklyn-tinged speech.<ref>[[Ivan Maisel|Maisel, Ivan]]. [http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7212678/penn-state-nittany-lions-coach-joe-paterno-legacy Joe Paterno's Penn State legacy]. [[ESPN]], 2011-11-09.</ref> Reflecting the growth in Penn State's stature during his tenure, [[Beaver Stadium]] was expanded six times during his tenure, increasing in size from 46,284 in 1966 to 106,572 in 2001.<br />
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The [[Pittsburgh Steelers]] offered their head coach position to Paterno in [[1969 NFL season|1969]], an offer he considered seriously. The Steelers hired [[Chuck Noll]], who won four [[Super Bowl]]s in his first 11 years, and coached for an additional twelve seasons.<br />
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[[File:Paterno and hardin.jpg|thumb|right|upright|Joe Paterno and [[Temple Owls football|Temple]] Coach [[Wayne Hardin]] in 1988]]<br />
The [[New York Giants]] reportedly offered Paterno their head coaching spot numerous times during the team's struggles during the 1970s and early 1980s.<br />
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[[Michigan Wolverines|Michigan]] Athletic Director [[Don Canham]] contacted Paterno in 1969 to see whether Paterno would accept the vacant Michigan job. Paterno turned down the offer and Michigan hired [[Bo Schembechler]]. In 1972, Paterno was offered the head coaching position by the [[New England Patriots]]. He accepted their offer, but three weeks later decided to back out of it. The Patriots hired [[Chuck Fairbanks]] of [[Oklahoma Sooners football|Oklahoma]] instead.<br />
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In 1995, Paterno apologized for a tirade directed at [[Rutgers Scarlet Knights|Rutgers]] then-head coach [[Doug Graber]] at the end of a nationally televised game.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/27/sports/paterno-offers-apology.html|title=Paterno Offers Apology|date=September 27, 1995|work=[[The New York Times]]}}</ref> Paterno was accused of "[[making light of]] sexual assault" in 2006 by the [[National Organization for Women]] which called for his resignation, though Penn State later categorized this incident as being "taken out of context" and never seriously considered asking for Paterno's resignation.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/10766548/ | title=Paterno says words 'taken out of context' | date=January 11, 2006 |publisher=NBC Sports | accessdate=2010-06-25}}</ref> Paterno also was involved in a [[road rage]] incident in 2007.<ref>{{cite web | url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3058734 | title=Paterno acknowledges part in incident; cops find no violation | date=October 12, 2007 |publisher=ESPN | accessdate=2010-06-25}}</ref><br />
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The [[Pennsylvania State Employees' Retirement System]] (SERS) revealed Paterno's salary in November 2007: $512,664. He was paid $490,638 in 2006.<ref name="salary">{{cite news|title=Paterno's salary released to public|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4215919|agency=Associated Press|date= May 29, 2009|accessdate=2011-01-01 | publisher = ESPN }}</ref> The figure was not inclusive of other compensation, such as money from television and apparel contracts as well as other bonuses that Paterno and other football bowl subdivision coaches earned, said Robert Gentzel, SERS communications director.{{Citation needed|date=June 2012}} The release of these amounts can only come at the university's approval, which Penn State spokeswoman Lisa Powers said will not happen.{{Citation needed|date=June 2012}} "I'm paid well, I'm not overpaid," Paterno said during an interview with reporters Wednesday before the salary disclosure. "I got all the money I need".{{Citation needed|date=June 2012}}<br />
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In 2008, due to a litany of football players' off-the-field legal problems, including 46 Penn State football players having faced 163 criminal charges according to an ESPN analysis of Pennsylvania court records and reports dating to 2002,<ref>{{cite news | url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3504915 | title=Has Penn State's on-field progress led to off-field problems? | first=Paula | last=Lavigne | publisher=ESPN | date=July 27, 2008 | accessdate=2011-11-06}}</ref> ESPN questioned Joe Paterno's and the university's control over the Penn State football program by producing and airing an ESPN's ''[[Outside the Lines]]'' feature covering the subject.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3506616 | title=Has Penn State's on-field progress led to off-field problems? | date=July 27, 2008 | first=Paula | last=Lavign | publisher=ESPN | accessdate=2010-06-25}}</ref> Paterno was criticized for his response dismissing the allegations as a "[[witch hunt]]", and chiding reporters for asking about problems.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/509555.html?nav=5017 | title=JoePa, PSU exposed by ESPN | first=Cory | last=Giger | newspaper=The Altoona Mirror | location=Altoona, PA | date=July 28, 2008 | accessdate=2011-11-06}}</ref><br />
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On November 6, 2010, Paterno recorded his 400th career victory with a 35–21 victory over Northwestern. Facing a 21–0 deficit, Penn State scored 35 unanswered points, tying Paterno's largest comeback victory as a coach. <br />
On October 29, 2011, Paterno recorded his 409th career victory with a 10–7 victory over [[2011 Illinois Fighting Illini football team|Illinois]]. Facing a 7–3 deficit, Penn State drove 86 yards on their final drive to score a touchdown. A missed 42-yard field goal by Illinois which would have sent the game to overtime secured Paterno's 409th victory. With this victory, Paterno passed [[Eddie Robinson (American football coach)|Eddie Robinson]] to become the winningest head coach in Division I college football. At the time, he trailed the leader, the still-active [[John Gagliardi]] of [[Division III (NCAA)|Division III]] [[College of Saint Benedict and Saint John's University|Saint John's University (Minnesota)]], by 73 wins.<br />
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===Bowls and championships===<br />
[[File:Joe Paterno runs out with team crop.jpg|thumb|right|Paterno runs out with his team before the start of a game, September 2007]]<br />
Paterno held more bowl victories (24) than any coach in history. He also topped the list of bowl appearances with 37.<ref name="bowlsespn">{{cite news|title=Paterno says he has no plans to leave Penn State|publisher=ESPN|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2685245|date=December 4, 2006|accessdate=2007-04-05}}</ref> He had a bowl record of 24 wins, 12 losses, and 1 tie following a defeat in the [[2011 Outback Bowl]]. Paterno was the only coach with the distinction of having won each of the four major bowls—Rose, Orange, Fiesta, and Sugar—as well as the Cotton Bowl Classic, at least once. Under Paterno, Penn State won at least three bowl games each decade since 1970.<br />
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Paterno led Penn State to two [[NCAA Division I-A national football championship|national championships]] (1982 and 1986) and five undefeated, untied seasons (1968, 1969, 1973, 1986, and 1994). Four of his unbeaten teams (1968, 1969, 1973, and 1994) won major bowl games and were not awarded a national championship.<br />
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Penn State under Paterno won the [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange Bowl]] (1968, 1969, 1973, and 2005), the [[Cotton Bowl Classic]] (1972 and 1974), the [[Fiesta Bowl]] (1977, 1980, 1981, 1986, 1991, and 1996), the [[Liberty Bowl]] (1979), the [[Sugar Bowl]] (1982), the [[Aloha Bowl]] (1983), the [[Holiday Bowl]] (1989), the [[Capital One Bowl|Citrus Bowl]] (1993 and 2010), the [[Rose Bowl Game|Rose Bowl]] (1994), the [[Outback Bowl]] (1995, 1998, 2006) and the [[Alamo Bowl]] (1999 and 2007).<br />
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After Penn State joined the [[Big Ten Conference]] in 1993, the Nittany Lions under Paterno won the [[Big Ten Conference football champions|Big Ten championship]] three times (1994, 2005, and 2008). Paterno had 29 finishes in the Top 10 national rankings.<br />
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===Awards and honors===<br />
Following the 1986 championship season, Paterno was the first college football coach named "[[Sportsman of the Year]]" by Sports Illustrated magazine. In 2005, following an 11–1 comeback season in which the Lions won a share of the Big Ten title and a [[Bowl Championship Series|BCS]] berth, Paterno was named the 2005 [[Associated Press College Football Coach of the Year Award|AP Coach of the Year]], and the 2005 [[Walter Camp Coach of the Year]].<br />
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[[File:Paterno memorial.jpg|thumb|upright|[[Joe Paterno statue|Joe Paterno's statue]] formerly stood in front of Penn State's [[Beaver Stadium]]. The statue was removed by the university on July 22, 2012 and placed in secure storage.]]<br />
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*''Sports Illustrated'' [[Sportsman of the Year]]&nbsp;– 1986<br />
*Amos Alonzo Stagg Coaching Award ([[United States Sports Academy]] (USSA))&nbsp;– 1989, 2001<ref>[http://www.gatorzone.com/story.php?id=12389&html=basketball/men/news/20070717060100.html&sport=baskm Donovan Presented With United States Sports Academy Coaching Award]. GatorZone.com (2007-07-17). Retrieved on 2011-01-02.</ref><br />
*[[Amos Alonzo Stagg Award]] (AFCA)&nbsp;– [[2002 NCAA Division I-A football season|2002]]<br />
*[[AFCA Coach of the Year]]&nbsp;– 1968, 1978, 1982, 1986, 2005<br />
*[[Associated Press College Football Coach of the Year Award]]&nbsp;– [[2005 NCAA Division I-A football season|2005]]<br />
*[[Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award]]&nbsp;– [[1981 NCAA Division I-A football season|1981]], [[2005 NCAA Division I-A football season|2005]]<br />
*[[Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year]]&nbsp;– [[1978 NCAA Division I-A football season|1978]], [[1982 NCAA Division I-A football season|1982]], [[1986 NCAA Division I-A football season|1986]]<br />
*[[George Munger Award]] (Div. I Coach of the Year)&nbsp;– 1990, 1994, 2005<br />
*[[Paul "Bear" Bryant Award]]&nbsp;– [[1986 NCAA Division I-A football season|1986]]<br />
*[[Sporting News College Football Coach of the Year|''Sporting News'' College Football Coach of the Year]]&nbsp;– 2005<br />
*[[The Home Depot Coach of the Year Award]]&nbsp;– [[2005 NCAA Division I-A football season|2005]]<br />
*[[Walter Camp Coach of the Year Award]]&nbsp;– [[1972 NCAA Division I-A football season|1972]], [[1994 NCAA Division I-A football season|1994]], [[2005 NCAA Division I-A football season|2005]]<br />
*[[Big Ten Conference football individual honors#Dave McClain Coach of the Year|Dave McClain Big Ten Conference Coach of the Year]]&nbsp;– 1994, 2005, 2008<br />
*[[NCAA Gerald R. Ford Award]]&nbsp;– 2011<ref>{{cite news |title=Paterno honored with Ford Award |url=http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/2011-01-13/paterno-honored-ford-award |publisher=[[NCAA]] |author=Porter, Kristen Leigh |date=February 14, 2011 |accessdate=2011-11-09}}</ref><br />
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On May 16, 2006, Paterno was elected to the [[College Football Hall of Fame]] after the National Football Foundation decided to change its rules and allow any coach over the age of 75 to be eligible for the Hall of Fame instead of having to wait until retirement.<ref name="gopsusports hof">{{cite web|url=http://www.gopsusports.com/pressreleases/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=10333|title=Paterno & Bowden to Receive National Football Foundation's Highest Honor at Hall of Fame Induction|date=May 25, 2006|accessdate=2006-12-28|publisher=Penn State Intercollegiate Athletics |archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20061213051507/http://www.gopsusports.com/pressreleases/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=10333 <!-- Bot retrieved archive -->|archivedate = December 13, 2006}}</ref> However, on November 4, 2006 he was injured during a sideline collision during a game against [[University of Wisconsin–Madison|Wisconsin]]. As a result of his injuries, he was unable to travel to the induction ceremonies in New York City and the National Football Foundation announced that he would instead be inducted as a part of the Hall of Fame class of 2007.<ref name="postponed induction">{{cite web|url=http://www.collegefootball.org/news.php?id=1035|title=Paterno Postpones Hall of Fame Induction|accessdate=2006-12-28|date=December 21, 2006|publisher=National Football Foundation}}</ref> Paterno was inducted on December 4, 2007,<ref>{{cite news|title = JoePa enters Hall of Fame after 57 years on sidelines|url = http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/12/05/joepa_enters_hall_of_fame_afte.aspx|work=[[The Daily Collegian (Penn State)|The Daily Collegian]] |first=Mark|last=Viera|date=December 5, 2007|accessdate=2007-12-06}}</ref> and officially enshrined in a ceremony held July 19, 2008.<ref>{{cite web|title=Paterno Formally Enshrined in Hall|url=http://pennstate.scout.com/2/770563.html|publisher=Fight On State|date=July 20, 2008|accessdate=2008-07-21}}</ref><br />
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In 2009, Paterno was named to ''Sporting News''' list of the 50 greatest coaches of all time (MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, college basketball, and college football). He is listed in position 13.<ref>{{cite web|first=Jeff|last=D'Alessio|title=Sporting News' 50 greatest coaches of all time|date=July 29, 2009|publisher=SportingNews.com|url=http://www.sportingnews.com/college-basketball/article/2009-07-29/sporting-news-50-greatest-coaches-all-time|accessdate=2011-01-29}}</ref><br />
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In 2010, the [[Maxwell Football Club]] of Philadelphia established the [[Joseph V. Paterno Award]], to be awarded annually to the college football coach "who has made a positive impact on his university, his players and his community."<ref>{{cite news | url = http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2010/03/joe_paterno_will_have_college.html | title = Joe Paterno will have college award named after him | date = March 5, 2010 | accessdate = 2010-03-06 | author = Flounders, Bob | work = [[The Patriot-News]] }}</ref> Following the breaking of the [[Penn State child sex abuse scandal]] the following year, the award was discontinued by the club.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/40146/paterno-coaching-award-discontinued | title=Paterno coaching award discontinued | first=Adam | last=Rittenberg |publisher=ESPN | date=November 29, 2011 | accessdate=2011-12-07}}</ref><br />
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Also in 2010, the [[Big Ten Conference]] established the Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy as the annual trophy to be awarded to the winner of the conference football championship.<ref name="Stagg">{{cite news|author=Shanker, Jared|title=Big Ten honors Paterno; Big Ten unveils logo, divisions| work = [[The Patriot-News]] |date=December 13, 2010|url= http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2010/12/big_ten_title_trophy_honors_pa.html| accessdate=2010-12-14}}</ref> However, on November 14, 2011, the trophy name was changed to the [[Stagg Championship Trophy]] in light of Paterno's purported involvement with the Sandusky child abuse scandal.<ref>{{cite news |last=Rittenberg |first=Adam |title=Joe Paterno's name off Big Ten trophy |date=November 14, 2011 |publisher=ESPN |url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7233492/big-ten-removes-joe-paterno-name-championship-trophy |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/63C8Ryuw0 |archivedate=November 14, 2011 | deadurl = no }}</ref><br />
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Paterno was also nominated for the [[Presidential Medal of Freedom]]. However, in light of Paterno's purported involvement with Sandusky child abuse scandal, Senators Toomey and Casey as well as Representative Thompson withdrew their support of Paterno receiving the honor.<ref>{{cite news|title=Thompson also pulling Paterno medal support|url=|publisher=politico.com|date=November 11, 2003|accessdate=2008-11-28}}</ref><ref>{{cite press release | title = Thompson on Presidential Medal of Freedom Nomination | publisher = Representative Glenn Thompson, United States House of Representatives | date = November 11, 2011 | url = http://thompson.house.gov/2011/11/thompson-with-a-heavy-hearti-respectfully-withdraw-my-support-for-mr-paternos-nomination.shtml | accessdate = 2012-01-22}}</ref><ref>{{cite press release | title = Sens. Toomey And Casey Rescind Support For Medal Of Freedom Nomination For Joe Paterno | publisher = Pat Toomey, Senator for Pennsylvania | date = November 10, 2011 | url = http://toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=344 | accessdate = 2012-01-22}}</ref><br />
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As Penn State football struggled from 2000 to 2004, with an overall 26–33 record in those years, Paterno became the target of criticism from some Penn State faithful. Many in the media attributed Penn State's struggles to Paterno's advancing age. With no apparent plans to retire, contingents of fans and alumni began calling for him to step down. Paterno rebuffed all of this and stated he would fulfill his contract which would expire in 2008.<ref>{{cite news|title=Paterno driven to revive Lions|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=o5MNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lXADAAAAIBAJ&pg=2326,6489049|work=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|first=Ray|last=Fittipaldo|date=December 20, 2003|accessdate=2008-10-27|page=D-1}}</ref><br />
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Paterno announced in a speech in [[Pittsburgh]] on May 12, 2005, that he would consider retirement if the [[2005 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|2005 football team]] had a disappointing season. "If we don't win some games, I've got to get my rear end out of here", Paterno said in a speech at the Duquesne Club. "Simple as that".<ref name="duquesne">{{cite news |url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05133/504023.stm|title=Paterno puts career on line|date=May 13, 2005|work=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|last=Harlan|first=Chico|accessdate=2007-04-04}}</ref> However, Penn State finished the season with a record of 11–1 and were champions of the [[Big Ten]] in 2005. They defeated Florida State 26–23 in triple overtime in the [[2006 Orange Bowl]].<br />
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==Child sex abuse scandal and termination==<br />
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On November 5, 2011, former Penn State [[defensive coordinator]] [[Jerry Sandusky]] was arrested on 40 counts of child sexual abuse occurring between 1994 and 2009, including allegations of incidents on the Penn State campus.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/former-coach-at-penn-state-is-charged-with-abuse.html | title=Former Coach at Penn State Is Charged With Abuse | first=Mark | last=Viera |work=[[The New York Times]] | date=November 5, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-06}}</ref> A 2011 grand jury investigation reported that then-graduate assistant [[Mike McQueary]] told Paterno in 2002 that he had seen Sandusky abusing a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_puts_mike_mcqueary.html | title=Penn State puts Mike McQueary, witness to alleged attack, on administrative lead | first=Matthew | last=Stanmyre | work=[[The Star-Ledger]] | location=Newark, NJ| date=November 11, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-12}}</ref> According to the report, Paterno notified Athletic Director Tim Curley about the incident, and later notified Gary Schultz, Vice President of Finance and Business,<ref>title=Schultz returns to fill interim senior VP post; nominations sought |url=http://live.psu.edu/tag/Gary_Schultz</ref> who also oversaw the University Police.<ref name=prez>{{cite news |author=Taylor, John |url= http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/05/penn-state-prez-offers-unconditional-support-to-ad |title=Penn State prez offers unconditional support to AD |date=November 5, 2011 |accessdate=2011-11-06 |publisher=[[NBC Sports]]}}</ref> <br />
Paterno said McQueary informed him that "he had witnessed an incident in the shower... but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report."<ref>{{cite news |last1=Rittenberg |first1=Adam |last2=Bennett |first2=Brian |title=Joe Paterno statement on Sandusky case |date=November 6, 2011 |publisher=ESPN |url=http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/37765/joe-paterno-statement-on-sandusky-case |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/639PgaQkQ |archivedate=November 12, 2011 | deadurl = no }}</ref> In his Grand Jury testimony, Paterno stated that McQueary had described Sandusky "fondling" a young boy in an act he described of a "sexual nature," but stopped short of the graphic rape to which McQueary would later testify.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Wogenrich |first1=Mark |last2=McGill |first2=Andrew |title=Penn State's Mike McQueary says he told police of alleged rape |date=November 15, 2011 |publisher=LA Times |url=http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/15/sports/la-sp-penn-state-20111116 }}</ref><ref>{{cite news |last=Ganim |first=Sara | url= http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/paternos_full_grand_jury_testi.html | title=Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno's full grand jury testimony on Jerry Sandusky sex-abuse case read into the record at hearing | newspaper=The Patriot News | date=December 16, 2011}}</ref><br />
Prosecutors stated that Paterno was not accused of any wrongdoing, as he fulfilled his legal obligation to report the incident to his immediate supervisor, Curley. However, he was harshly criticized for not doing more. <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/09/penn-states-joe-paterno-said-will-retire-at-end-season/|title=Penn State's Joe Paterno Says He Will Retire at End of Season|date=November 9, 2011|accessdate=2011-11-09|publisher=Fox News}}</ref> The victim in the 2002 incident was never identified,<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7203566/penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-case-officials-arraigned-police-seek-alleged-assault-victim | title=Officials seeking alleged abuse victims | date=November 9, 2011 | accessdate=February 10, 2012|publisher=ESPN}}</ref> and Sandusky continued to sexually abuse children up until his arrest in 2011.<ref>{{cite news | url= http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/documents/sandusky-grand-jury-report11052011.html | title=Jerry Sandusky grand jury report | newspaper=The Washington Post | date=November 5, 2011 | accessdate=February 10, 2012}}</ref> On November 7, Pennsylvania state police Commissioner Frank Noonan opined that while Paterno did not violate any laws, anyone with knowledge of possible sexual abuse against minors had a "moral responsibility" to notify police.<ref name="cbssports.com">{{cite news | url= http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16017251/two-top-officials-step-down-amid-penn-state-scandal?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 | title=Police official: Paterno didn't do enough to stop abuse | newspaper=CBSSports.com | date=November 7, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-07}}</ref> Despite the gravity of allegations against Sandusky, Paterno did not notify state police.<ref name="cbssports.com">{{cite news | url= http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16017251/two-top-officials-step-down-amid-penn-state-scandal?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 | title=Police official: Paterno didn't do enough to stop abuse | newspaper=CBSSports.com | date=November 7, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-07}}</ref><ref name="NY Daily News">{{cite news|last=O'keefe|first=Michael|title=JoePa: A look back at the sex abuse scandal|url=http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-01-22/news/30653964_1_paterno-and-other-university-grand-jury-report-paterno-s-nittany-lions|accessdate=17 May 2012|newspaper=NY Daily News|date=22 Jan 2012|quote=Paterno did not face criminal charges for failing to notify police...}}</ref><br />
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On the night of November 8, hundreds of students gathered in front on Paterno's home in support of the coach. Paterno thanked the crowd and said, "The kids who were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. It's a tough life when people do certain things to you."<ref>{{cite news |last=Hansen |first=Marc |title=Hansen: For Paterno, the bare minimum was never enough – until this moral oversight |date=November 9, 2011 |newspaper=[[The Des Moines Register]] |url=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20111109/SPORTS/311090088/1024/SPORTS08/?odyssey=nav|head |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/636II0590 |archivedate=November 10, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |last=Auerbach |first=Nicole |title=Penn State students cheer for Paterno |date=November 9, 2011 |newspaper=[[Detroit Free Press]] |url=http://www.freep.com/article/20111109/SPORTS08/111109020/Penn-State-students-cheer-Paterno |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/636IQzHod |archivedate=November 10, 2011}}</ref> He led the crowd in "We are Penn State" cheers, which unnamed members of the Penn State Board of Trustees viewed as insensitive.<ref name=thamel>{{cite news |last1=Thamel |first1=Pete |last2=Viera |first2=Mark |title=Penn State's Trustees Recount Painful Decision to Fire Paterno |date=January 19, 2012 |page=B15 |newspaper=[[The New York Times]] |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/19/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-trustees-recall-decision-to-fire-paterno.html?pagewanted=all |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/64q1SWHkC |archivedate=January 20, 2012 | deadurl = no }}</ref><ref>{{cite news |last=Manfred |first=Tony |title=STUNNING VIDEO: Joe Paterno Speaks To A Mob Of Cheering Penn State Students On His Lawn |date=November 8, 2011 |publisher=Business Insider |url=http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-paterno-lawn-students-2011-11 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/64q0Wz1vi |archivedate=January 20, 2012}}</ref> In part because of the scandal, Paterno announced the following day that he would retire at the end of the season, stating:<br />
{{quote| . . . I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.<ref>Smith, Erick. [http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/ap-paterno-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-season/1 Penn State's Joe Paterno to retire at the end of the season], [[USA Today]], November 9, 2011</ref><ref>{{cite news| url=http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/09/report-joe-paterno-to-retire-at-seasons-end/ | publisher=CNN | title=Joe Paterno to retire at season's end }}</ref>}}<br />
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Later that evening, however, the Board of Trustees decided to turn down Paterno's offer to resign, instead voting to relieve him of coaching duties effective immediately.<ref name=thamel/><ref>{{cite news | url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/-joe-paterno-and-graham-spanier-out-at-penn-state.html?pagewanted=all | title=Paterno Is Finished at Penn State, and President Is Out |work=[[The New York Times]] | date=November 9, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-28 | first=Mark | last=Viera}}</ref> They considered but ultimately rejected the idea of letting Paterno finish out the season, saying that growing outrage at the situation made it impossible for him to be effective.<ref name=thamel/><ref name=facultymember>{{cite news|title=Penn State president blames scandal on Sandusky|url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/us/penn-state-paterno/index.html|publisher=CNN|date=January 13, 2012|accessdate=January 14, 2012}}</ref><ref name=KennedyMcGill>Kennedy, Sam; McGill, Andrew. [http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-trustees-turnaround-20111110,0,3236661.story Trustee: Media frenzy forced board's hand]. ''[[The Morning Call]]'', 2011-11-10.</ref> Unable to reach Paterno personally due to the crowd around his house and not wanting Paterno to find out through the media, the board notified him of their decision over the phone.<ref name="PennLiveAP">{{cite news|url=http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/penn_state_trustees_say_they_f.html|title=Penn State trustees say they fired Joe Paterno over 'failure of leadership' in Jerry Sandusky case|date=March 12, 2012|author=Associated Press}}</ref><ref name=PSUBoardReport>Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees, [http://live.psu.edu/story/58341 "Report of the Board of Trustees concerning Nov. 9 decisions"], ''Penn State Live'', March 12, 2012</ref> [[Tom Bradley (American football)|Tom Bradley]], Sandusky's successor as defensive coordinator, was named interim head coach for the remainder of the 2011 season. At the same meeting, school president [[Graham Spanier]] resigned rather than face being fired as well.<ref>Frantz, Jeff. [http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/is_rodney_erickson_penn_state.html Is Rodney Erickson Penn State president by choice, or necessity?] ''[[The Patriot-News]]'', 2011-11-18.</ref><ref>[http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_president_gr.html Former Penn State president Graham Spanier volunteered to resign, wasn't fired, report says]. ''[[The Patriot-News]]'', 2011-11-17.</ref><ref>{{cite news | url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state | title=Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier out |publisher=ESPN | date=November 9, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-09}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | url=http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/northeast/view/20111202penn_state_trustees_reaffirm_and_ratify_boards_personnel_decisions_on_joe_paterno_and_graham_spanier/srvc=home | title=Penn State trustees 'reaffirm and ratify' board's personnel decisions on Joe Paterno and Graham Spanier | work=[[Boston Herald]] | date=December 2, 2011 | accessdate=2011-12-04 | first=Anne | last=Danahy}}</ref><br />
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Paterno's firing was met with outrage by students and alumni. That night, several thousand Penn State students chanting Paterno's name rioted in the streets, hurling rocks, tearing down street signs and overturning a news van.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-students-in-clashes-after-joe-paterno-is-ousted.html|title=Penn State Students Clash With Police in Unrest After Announcement|date=November 10, 2011|accessdate=2011-11-13|author=Schweber, Nate|work=[[The New York Times]]}}</ref> Paterno supporters and family members continued to harshly criticize the Board's actions in the months following his death, prompting the Board to release an additional statement explaining their decision. The board said that Paterno had demonstrated a "failure of leadership" by only fulfilling his legal obligation to inform Curley about the 2001 incident and not going to the police himself.<ref name=PennLiveAP /><ref name=PSUBoardReport /><br />
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===Posthumous findings===<br />
Former [[FBI]] director [[Louis Freeh]], whose firm was hired by the Penn State Board of Trustees to conduct an independent investigation into the scandal, concluded, after interviewing over 400 people and reviewing over 3.5 million documents, that Paterno, Spanier, Curley and Schultz had deliberately conspired to conceal Sandusky's actions in order to protect publicity surrounding Penn State's vaunted football program. <ref name="nyt-psu-child-abuse">{{cite news|title=Penn State’s Part|date=July 12, 2012|accessdate=July 13, 2012|newspaper=The New York Times|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/opinion/penn-states-part-in-the-sandusky-sexual-abuse-scandal.html}}</ref><ref name="usa-psu-child-abuse">{{cite news|last1=Johnson|first1=Kevin|last2=Marklein|first2=Mary Beth|title=Freeh report blasts culture of Penn State|date=July 13, 2012|newspaper=USA Today|url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-12/louis-freeh-report-penn-state-jerry-sandusky/56181956/1|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/697dbG9uh|archivedate=July 13, 2012|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="psu-child-abuse">{{cite press release|title=REMARKS OF LOUIS FREEH IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANNOUNCEMENT OF PUBLICATION OF REPORT REGARDING THE PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY|date=July 12, 2012|publisher=Kekst and Company|url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/99901024/Freeh-Report-Release|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/697bWvS4B|archivedate=July 13, 2012|deadurl=no|quote=Although concern to treat the child abuser humanely was expressly stated, no such sentiments were ever expressed by them for Sandusky’s victims.}}</ref> Freeh's investigation found that by their actions, the four men "failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade." The report concluded that Paterno, along with Schultz, Spanier and Curley "concealed Sandusky's activities from the Board of Trustees, the University community and authorities."<ref name=FreehReport/> Emails uncovered by Freeh’s investigation revealed that Paterno had lied to the grand jury on at least two occasions: first, when testifying that he was unaware of any possible child abuse by Sandusky prior to the 2001 Lasch shower rape, and second, in claiming that he had only once spoken to Tim Curley about the 2001 incident. Emails uncovered by Freeh's team showed Paterno had, in fact, closely followed an earlier 1998 investigation about possible child molestation by Sandusky. In 2001, while Paterno claimed his only discussion regarding McQueary's report to him about Sandusky in the Lasch showers was with Curley immediately following the incident, subsequent emails revealed he had engaged in additional conversations with Curley pressuring him (and Schultz and Spanier) not to report the rape to police. <ref name=FreehReport/><ref name="espn">{{cite news | author=Associated Press| title=Joe Paterno may have faced charges | url= http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/8164487/legal-experts-say-joe-paterno-faced-charges-freeh-report| date=2012-07-13 | accessdate=2012-07-13}}</ref><ref name="nyt">{{cite news | author=Ken Belson | title=Abuse Scandal Inquiry Damns Paterno and Penn State | url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/sports/ncaafootball/13pennstate.html?_r=2&hp | work=[[The New York Times]] | date=2012-07-12 | accessdate=2012-07-13}}</ref> <ref name="nyt"/><br />
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In addition, the report said that even after Sandusky's retirement in 1999 Paterno, Schultz, Spanier and Curley "empowered Sandusky to attract potential victims to the campus and football events by allowing him to have continued, unrestricted and unsupervised access to the University's facilities and affiliation with the University's prominent football program."<ref name=FreehReport>[http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/other/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf Report of the Special Investigative Counsel Regarding the Pennsylvania State University Related to the Child Sexual Abuse Committed by Gerald A. Sandusky]. July 2012. p. 14-15.</ref><br />
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On July 12, 2012, [[Mark Parker]], president of [[Nike Inc.|Nike, Inc.]], said that Nike will remove Paterno's name from the Joe Paterno Child Development Center, a child care facility at the company's headquarters in [[Beaverton, Oregon]].<ref>{{cite web|title=Paterno's name off child care center|url=http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/president-of-nike-mark-parker-deicdes-to-change-name-of-joe-paterno-child-development-center-at-company-headquarters-071212|publisher=FOX Sports|accessdate=12 July 2012}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Joe Paterno's Name Removed From Child Development Center at Nike Headquarters|url=http://www.nesn.com/2012/07/joe-paternos-name-removed-from-child-development-center-at-nike-headquarters.html|publisher=NESN.com|accessdate=12 July 2012}}</ref><br />
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In a July 14, 2012 article titled "'Paterno Won Sweeter Deal Even as Scandal Played Out'" ''[[The New York Times]]'' reported that Paterno sought renegotiation of his contract in January 2011, the same month he became aware of the investigation, although his contract did not expire until the end of 2012. The contract renegotiations continued during the same time that Paterno testified before a grand jury about Sandusky. By August 2011, a deal was reached for a $3 million payout if Paterno agreed the 2011 season would be his last. The Times reported that "the board of trustees — bombarded with hate mail and threatened with a defamation lawsuit by Mr. Paterno's family — gave the family virtually everything it wanted, with a package worth roughly $5.5 million." The article stated that the Paterno family has "angrily disputed the conclusions of an independent investigation that asserted Mr. Paterno and other top university officials protected a serial predator in order to "avoid the consequences of bad publicity" for the university, its football program and its coach's reputation." A lawyer for the family also claimed that the retirement package was proposed by Penn State.<ref>{{cite web|title=Paterno Won Sweeter Deal Even as Scandal Played Out|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/joe-paterno-got-richer-contract-amid-jerry-sandusky-inquiry.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper|publisher=nytimes.com|accessdate=14 July 2012}}</ref><br />
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On July 17, 2012, [[Brown University]] announced their decision to remove Paterno's name from their annual award honoring outstanding male freshman athletes, also stating that his current status in the Brown Athletic Hall of Fame is now under review.<ref>{{cite web|title=University reviews honors named for Joe Paterno|url=http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2012/07/paterno|publisher=Brown University|accessdate=17 July 2012}}</ref><br />
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==Views on college football issues==<br />
[[File:PaternoTemple.png|thumb|upright|Paterno in 2003]]<br />
Paterno was a long-time advocate for some type of college football playoff system. The question was posed to him frequently over the years, as only one of his five undefeated teams was voted national champion.<ref>{{cite news|title=Outback Bowl matches Penn State with Tennessee|date=December 4, 2006|url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06338/743343-143.stm|work=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|first=Paul|last=Zeise|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Paterno mum on poll puzzle, supports playoffs|first=Kevin|last=Gorman|url=http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1994/11/11-02-94tdc/11-02-94dsports-6.asp|work=[[The Daily Collegian (Penn State)|The Daily Collegian]]|date=November 2, 1994|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Penn State's title hopes bowled over; no playoff in sight|url=http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1995/09/09-09-95cm/09-09-95cmsports-8.asp|first=Kevin|last=Gorman|work=[[The Daily Collegian (Penn State)|The Daily Collegian]]|date=September 9, 1995|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref><br />
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Paterno believed that scholarship college athletes should receive a modest stipend, so that they have some spending money. As justification, Paterno pointed out that many scholarship athletes are from poor families and that other students have time to hold down a part-time job, whereas busy practice and conditioning schedules prevent college athletes from working during the school year.<ref>{{cite news|title=College athletes: To pay or not to pay?|url=http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1988/04/04-26-88tdc/04-26-88dsports-05.asp|first=Steve|last=Sampsell|date=April 26, 1988|accessdate=2008-10-27|work=[[The Daily Collegian (Penn State)|The Daily Collegian]]}}</ref><br />
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Paterno preferred to not play [[Redshirt (college sports)|true freshmen]]. Later in his career, Paterno played true freshmen so as not to be at a competitive disadvantage. Some Penn State recruits, like recruits at many other schools, now graduate from high school a semester early so that they can enroll in college during the spring semester and participate in spring practice. Several team members from the recruiting class of 2005, including [[Justin King (American football)|Justin King]], [[Anthony Scirrotto]], and [[Derrick Williams (American football)|Derrick Williams]], received considerable playing time as true freshmen during the 2005–2006 season.<ref>{{cite news|title=National Notebook | Freshmen Williams, King lead Nittany Lions back to national prominence|url=http://media.www.dailyorange.com/media/storage/paper522/news/2005/10/07/Sports/National.Notebook.Freshmen.Williams.King.Lead.Nittany.Lions.Back.To.National.Pr-1013579.shtml|first=Pat|last=DiSalvo|work=[[The Daily Orange]]|date=October 7, 2005|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref><br />
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In 2010, Paterno and former [[Chicago Bears]] head coach [[Mike Ditka]] suggested that concussions and other injuries in the NFL and college football might be reduced if face masks were done away with.<ref>http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/Paterno-and-Ditka-NFL-Should-Get-Rid-Of-Facemasks-105458773.html</ref><br />
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Penn State's football players were twice recognized for outstanding academic performance by the New America Foundation's Academic Bowl Championship Series while under the leadership of Paterno.<ref name="academics">{{cite news | url = http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2011/12/penn_state_football_program_ra.html | title = Penn State football program ranks No. 1 in New America Foundation's Academic Bowl Championship Series | author = Angert, Alexander | work = [[The Patriot-News]] | date = December 7, 2011 | accessdate = December 7, 2011}}</ref> The team was ranked number one out of the top 25 ranked BCS teams in 2009 and 2011. The criteria in the rankings include the graduation rate of the team as compared to the rest of university, the difference between the graduation rate of African-American players and the rest of the squad as well as the same statistics for the rest of the students at Penn State, and the graduation rate differences between the African American players and students.<ref name="academics"/><br />
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===Officiating and instant replay===<br />
In 2002, the then 76 year-old Paterno chased down referee [[Dick Honig]] in a dead sprint following a 42–35 overtime home loss to Iowa. Paterno saw [[Tony Johnson (wide receiver)|Tony Johnson]] catch a pass for a first down with both feet in bounds on the stadium's video replay board, but the play was ruled an incompletion. This being after Penn State had rallied from a 35–13 deficit with 9 minutes left in the game to tie the score at 35, and were driving on their first possession in overtime (a touchdown would have tied the game at 42). Penn State failed on fourth down and Iowa held on for the win.<ref>{{cite news|first=Ray|last=Fittipaldo|url=http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/20021002psu1002p4.asp|title=Paterno says no apology needed|work=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|date=October 2, 2002|accessdate=2007-09-20}}</ref><br />
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Just weeks later, in the final minute of the Michigan game, the same wide receiver, Johnson, made a catch which would have given Penn State a first down and put them in range for a game winning field goal. Although Johnson was ruled out of bounds, replays clearly showed that Johnson had both feet in bounds and the catch should have been ruled complete.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2002/10/10-19-02cm/10-19-02dsports-15.asp|title=Coaches critical after botched calls|first=Jeff|last=Frantz|work=[[The Daily Collegian (Penn State)|The Daily Collegian]]|date=October 19, 2002|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref><br />
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In 2004, the [[Big Ten Conference]] became the first college football conference to adopt a form of [[instant replay]]. The previous two incidents, along with Paterno's public objections, and the Big Ten's [[Clockgate]] controversy, are often cited as catalysts for its adoption.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/2004-08-04-replay-details_x.htm|title=Big Ten reveals instant replay details |first=Michael|last=Pointer|work=USA Today|date=August 4, 2004|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref> Within the next year, almost all of the Division I-A conferences adopted a form of instant replay based on the Big Ten model.<ref>{{cite web|title=Instant Replay rundown for the 2005 season|url=http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/005566.php|publisher=fanblogs.com|date=August 29, 2005|accessdate=2006-12-26}}</ref><br />
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==Outside of football==<br />
===Philanthropy and education===<br />
[[File:Pattee Mall PSU.jpg|thumb|The East wing of the [[Pattee Library]] (center) is connected to the Paterno Library (to right, not seen) at Penn State University.]]<br />
In addition to his legacy as a coach, Paterno was highly regarded for his contributions to academic life at Penn State. After the announcement of his hiring in 1966, Paterno set out to conduct what he called a "Grand Experiment" in melding athletics and academics in the collegiate environment, an idea that he had learned during his years at Brown.<ref name="post-gazette">{{cite news|title=When we say JoePa YOU SAY . . . |url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04144/320670.stm|last=Fittipaldo|first=Ray|work=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|date=May 23, 2005|accessdate=2007-01-30}}</ref> As a result, Penn State's players have consistently demonstrated above-average academic success compared to [[Division I (NCAA)|Division I]]-A schools nationwide. According to the [[NCAA]]'s 2008 Graduation Rates Report, Penn State's four-year Graduation Success Rate of 78% easily exceeds the 67% [[Division I (NCAA)|Division I]] average, second to only [[Northwestern University|Northwestern]] among [[Big Ten Conference|Big Ten]] institutions.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/103008aaf.html|title=Penn State Football Student-Athletes Earn No. 2 Graduation Rate Among AP Top 25 Teams|publisher=Penn State Intercollegiate Athletics|date=October 30, 2008|accessdate=2008-10-31}}</ref><br />
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Paterno was also renowned for his charitable contributions to academics at Penn State. He and his wife Sue have contributed over $4 million towards various departments and colleges, including support for the Penn State All-Sports Museum, which opened in 2002, and the Pasquerilla Spiritual Center, which opened in 2003.<ref name="gopsu bio">{{cite web|url=http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/paterno_joe00.html|title=Joe Paterno|accessdate=2007-01-30|publisher=Penn State Intercollegiate Athletics}}</ref> After helping raise over $13.5 million in funds for the 1997 expansion of [[Pattee Library]], the University named the expansion [[Paterno Library]] in their honor.<ref name="library">{{cite web|url=http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/special_packages/150_years/10961935.htm|title=Paterno Library|work=150 Years: Penn State Sesquicentennial|work=[[Centre Daily Times]] |date=February 22, 2005|accessdate=2007-01-30}} {{Dead link|date=September 2010|bot=H3llBot}}</ref><br />
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In 2007, former player [[Franco Harris]] and his company R Super Foods honored Paterno for his contributions to Penn State by featuring his story and picture on boxes of Super Donuts and Super Buns in Central PA. A portion of the sales will be donated to an endowment fund for the university library that bears his name.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2007/01/26/business_headlines/17769870.txt|title=Franco Harris' bakery honors Paterno on boxes of doughnuts, buns|date=January 26, 2007|accessdate=2008-10-27|work=[[The Times-Tribune (Scranton)|The Times-Tribune]]}} {{Dead link|date=September 2010|bot=H3llBot}}</ref><br />
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Paterno also attended the annual [[Penn State Dance Marathon]], a popular weekend-long charity event and the largest student-run philanthropy in the world (it raised over $10 million in 2012), every year to raise money for kids with cancer.<br />
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===Political interests===<br />
[[File:Joe Paterno wishes good luck to opponent.jpg|thumb|right|Paterno wishes good luck to [[Florida International Univeristy|FIU]] Coach Mario Cristobal before winning 59&ndash;0 in September 2007.]]<br />
Paterno was a political [[American conservatism|conservative]] and a personal friend of former President [[George H. W. Bush]], endorsing the then-candidate in a speech at the [[1988 Republican National Convention]].<ref name="post-gazette" /> Paterno was also a close personal friend of President [[Gerald R. Ford]].<ref name="ford">{{cite web|url=http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/16371803.htm|title=Forward thinking: Paterno on board with players' great 2007 expectations|last=Fernandez|first=Bernard|publisher=Philadelphia Daily News|date=January 3, 2007|accessdate=2007-01-30}} {{Dead link|date=September 2010|bot=H3llBot}}</ref> In 2004, his son Scott Paterno, an attorney, won the Republican primary for [[Pennsylvania's 17th congressional district]] but lost in the November general election to Democratic incumbent [[Tim Holden]].<ref name="election">{{cite news|url=http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/PA/H/17/index.html|title=U.S. House of Representatives – Pennsylvania 17th|work=2004 Election Results|publisher=CNN|date=November 23, 2004|accessdate=2007-01-30}}</ref><br />
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"I brought my kids up to think for themselves since day one," Joe Paterno said in 2008. "I got a son who's a Republican, who ran for Congress, Scott. I'm a Republican. I've got a son, Jay, who's for Obama. I've got a daughter, who I'm pretty sure she's going to be for Hillary. So God bless America."<ref>{{cite news | url = http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2008/03/republican_joepas_son_backs_ob.html | title = Republican JoePa's son backs Obama | author = Pickel, Janet | date = March 29, 2008 | accessdate = December 8, 2010 | work = [[The Patriot-News]] }}</ref><br />
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===Personal life===<br />
While serving as an assistant coach, Paterno met freshman Suzanne Pohland,<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.thereporteronline.com/articles/2009/08/30/sports/professional/srv0000006260500.txt?viewmode=fullstory |title=Sue Paterno more than coach's wife |date=2009-08-30 |accessdate=2012-01-25 |author=Armas, Genaro C. |work=The Reporter}}</ref> an English literature honors student, at the campus library. Paterno and Pohland, a [[Latrobe, Pennsylvania|Latrobe]] native 13 years his junior, married in 1962, the year she graduated. They had five children: Diana, [[Jay Paterno|Joseph Jr. "Jay"]], Mary Kay, David, and Scott. All of their children are Penn State graduates, and Jay Paterno was the quarterbacks coach at Penn State until his departure following the hiring of new head coach [[Bill O'Brien (American football)|Bill O'Brien]] on January 7, 2012. The Paternos have seventeen grandchildren.<br />
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Paterno and his wife co-authored the children's book ''We Are Penn State!'',<ref>[http://www.amazon.com/Are-Penn-State-Joe-Paterno/dp/1932888497 ''We Are Penn State!'' by Joe and Sue Paterno. Mascot Books (August 1, 2007). ISBN 978-1-932888-49-2)]</ref> which takes place during a typical Penn State homecoming weekend.<br />
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==Failing health and death==<br />
[[File:Joe Paterno memorial vigil.jpg|thumb|right|Thousands of Penn State students and faculty came together to honor Paterno at a candlelight vigil at [[Old Main (Pennsylvania State University)|Old Main]] after his death, January 22, 2012]]<br />
In November 2006, Paterno was involved in a sideline collision during a game against [[Wisconsin Badgers football|Wisconsin]]. He was unable to avoid the play and was struck in the knee by Badgers linebacker [[DeAndre Levy]]'s helmet. Paterno, then 79 years old, suffered a fractured shin bone and damage to knee ligaments.<ref>{{cite news | url = http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06309/735849-143.stm | title = Paterno leaves field after taking hit | author = Fittipaldo, Ray | date = November 5, 2006 | accessdate = December 8, 2010 | work = [[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]}}</ref> He coached the [[2007 Outback Bowl]] from the [[press box]] before making a full recovery.<ref>{{cite news | url = http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2957594 | title = Paterno says he likes coaching from press box | date = August 1, 2007 | accessdate = January 2, 2011 |publisher= [[ESPN]]}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | url = http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/16418972/ | title= Penn State stifles Tennessee in Outback | date = January 1, 2007 | accessdate = January 2, 2011 |publisher= NBC Sports }}</ref><br />
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In November 2008, Paterno had successful [[hip replacement surgery]] after spraining his leg while trying to demonstrate onside kicks during a practice session.<ref>{{cite web | url = http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2008/11/joe_paterno_has_hip_replacemen.html | title = Paterno has hip replacement surgery | author = Flounders, Bob | date = November 23, 2008 | accessdate = December 9, 2010 | work = [[The Patriot-News]] }}</ref> While recovering, he coached the remainder of the season and the [[2009 Rose Bowl]] from the press box.<ref>{{cite news | url = http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/12/joe-paterno-wil.html | title = Joe Paterno will coach from press box during Rose Bowl | author = Knoll, Cornina | date = December 31, 2008 | accessdate = December 9, 2010 |work= Los Angeles Times}}</ref> After sustaining these injuries, he made use of a motorized golf cart to move around the field during practices.<br />
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Paterno was injured again in August 2011, after colliding with a player during practice. He sustained hairline fractures to his hip and shoulder. No surgery was required, but Paterno began the 2011 regular season schedule in a wheelchair.<br />
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In November 2011, Scott Paterno reported that his father had a treatable form of lung cancer.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57327897/joe-paterno-has-lung-cancer-son-says/ | title=Joe Paterno has lung cancer, son says |date=November 18, 2011}}</ref> On January 13, 2012, Paterno was hospitalized in State College for complications relating to his cancer treatment, and he remained there until his death nine days later on January 22, 2012.<ref>{{cite news|title=Legendary Penn State coach Paterno dead at 85|url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/22/us/pennsylvania-obit-paterno/index.html?hpt=hp_t1|date=January 22, 2012}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Joe Paterno, 85, dies in State College|url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7489238/joe-paterno-ex-penn-state-nittany-lions-coach-dies-85-2-month-cancer-fight|accessdate=January 22, 2012|publisher=ESPN|date=January 22, 2012 }}</ref> His death resulted in tributes from prominent leaders in the U.S., including former President [[George H. W. Bush]], who called Paterno "an outstanding American who was respected not only on the field of play but in life generally—and he was, without a doubt, a true icon in the world of sports."<ref name="statements">{{cite news|url=http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/01/22/statements-death-joe-paterno#ixzz1kFNsNoyu|title=Statements on the death of Joe Paterno|accessdate=2012-01-22|date=January 22, 2012|publisher=Fox News}}</ref> Pennsylvania Governor [[Tom Corbett]] said of Paterno, "His legacy as the winningest coach in major college football and his generosity to Penn State as an institution and to his players, stand as monuments to his life... His place in our state's history is secure."<ref name="statements"/><br />
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Paterno's funeral was held in State College on January 25, 2012.<ref>Erik Brady, [http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2012-01-25/joe-paterno-funeral-procession-penn-state/52791476/1 Thousands gather for Paterno funeral and procession], [[USA Today]] (January 25, 2012). Retrieved on July 12, 2012.</ref> About 750 mourners attended the private ceremony, after which thousands of mourners lined the route of the funeral procession.<ref>''Id.''</ref> Paterno was buried in Spring Creek Presbyterian Cemetery just outside of the town.<ref>Jan Murphy, [http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/joe_paternos_grave_site_is_dra.html Joe Paterno's grave site is drawing longtime fans back to State College to pay their respects], [[Patriot-News]] (February 9, 2012). Retrieved on July 12, 2012.</ref> Approximately 12,000 people attended a public memorial service that was held at the [[Bryce Jordan Center]] on January 26, 2012.<ref>Erik Brady, [http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2012-01-26/joe-paterno-memorial-service-goodbye-penn-state/52806840/1 Penn State pays tribute to Joe Paterno at memorial service], [[USA Today]] (January 26, 2012). Retrieved on July 12, 2012.</ref><ref>Ivan Maisel, [http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7507748/joe-paterno-memorial-brings-penn-state-nittany-lions-together Memorial brings Penn State together], ESPN.com (January 26, 2012). Retrieved on July 12, 2012.</ref><br />
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==Head coaching record==<br />
Paterno had a career record of 409 wins, 136 losses, and 3 ties.<ref>{{cite news|title=NCAA All-Divisions Coaching Records|url=http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2008/Pages%20383-404%20-%202008%20Coaching%20Records.pdf}}</ref> In his 46 seasons as a head coach, he had 38 winning seasons, one more than [[Bear Bryant]]. Based on the criteria used by the [[National Collegiate Athletic Association|NCAA]], Paterno holds the record for most victories by a Division I-A/FBS football coach, passing [[Eddie Robinson (Grambling football coach)|Eddie Robinson]]'s 408 victories on October 29, 2011, against Illinois.<ref>{{cite news|title=JoePa is back On Top |url=http://pennstate.scout.com/2/792754.html|first=Mark|last=Harrington|publisher=Fight On State|date= September 20, 2008|accessdate=2008-09-21}}</ref> On July, 23, 2012, the NCAA vacated all of Paterno's wins from 1998 through 2011 as part of its punishment for his role in the [[Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal]].<ref>{{cite news|title=NCAA fines PSU $60 million, vacates Paterno's wins from 1998-2011<br />
|url=http://www.phillyburbs.com/ap/national/ncaa-fines-psu-million-vacates-paterno-s-wins-from/article_09c2e6c2-c8e9-5a56-bfd2-a138761cee22.html||publisher=PhillyBurbs.com|date= 2012-07-23|accessdate=2012-07-23}}</ref> The move voided 111 wins, and made Paterno's official career record 298 wins, 136 losses, and 3 ties.<br />
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| name = [[Penn State Nittany Lions football under Joe Paterno (as an Independent)|Penn State Nittany Lions]]<br />
| conf = [[NCAA Division I-FBS independent schools|Independent]]<br />
| startyear = 1966<br />
| endyear = 1992<br />
}}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1966 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1966 college football season|1966]] | overall = 5–5 }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1967 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 11 | ranking2 = 10<br />
| year = [[1967 college football season|1967]] | overall = 8–2–1<br />
| bowloutcome = T | bowlname = [[Gator Bowl|Gator]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1968 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 3 | ranking2 = 2<br />
| year = [[1968 college football season|1968]] | overall = 11–0<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1969 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 2 | ranking2 = 2<br />
| year = [[1969 college football season|1969]] | overall = 11–0<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1970 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 19 | ranking2 = 18<br />
| year = [[1970 college football season|1970]] | overall = 7–3 }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1971 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 11 | ranking2 = 5<br />
| year = [[1971 college football season|1971]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Cotton Bowl Classic|Cotton]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1972 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 8 | ranking2 = 10<br />
| year = [[1972 college football season|1972]] | overall = 10–2<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[1972 Sugar Bowl (December)|Sugar]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1973 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 5 | ranking2 = 5<br />
| year = [[1973 college football season|1973]] | overall = 12–0<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1974 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 7 | ranking2 = 7<br />
| year = [[1974 college football season|1974]] | overall = 10–2<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Cotton Bowl Classic|Cotton]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1975 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 10 | ranking2 = 10<br />
| year = [[1975 college football season|1975]] | overall = 9–3<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[1975 Sugar Bowl|Sugar Bowl]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1976 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1976 college football season|1976]] | overall = 7–5<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[1976 Gator Bowl|Gator]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1977 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 4 | ranking2 = 5<br />
| year = [[1977 college football season|1977]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Fiesta Bowl|Fiesta]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1978 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 4 | ranking2 = 4<br />
| year = [[1978 NCAA Division I-A football season|1978]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[1979 Sugar Bowl|Sugar]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1979 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 18 | ranking2 = 20<br />
| year = [[1979 NCAA Division I-A football season|1979]] | overall = 8–4<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1979 Liberty Bowl|Liberty]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1980 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 8 | ranking2 = 8<br />
| year = [[1980 NCAA Division I-A football season|1980]] | overall = 10–2<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Fiesta Bowl|Fiesta]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1981 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 3 | ranking2 = 3<br />
| year = [[1981 NCAA Division I-A football season|1981]] | overall = 10–2<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Fiesta Bowl|Fiesta]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1982 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 1 | ranking2 = 1<br />
| year = [[1982 NCAA Division I-A football season|1982]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1983 Sugar Bowl|Sugar]] | championship = national }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1983 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 17 | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1983 NCAA Division I-A football season|1983]] | overall = 8–4–1<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Aloha Bowl|Aloha]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1984 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1984 NCAA Division I-A football season|1984]] | overall = 6–5 }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1985 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 3 | ranking2 = 3<br />
| year = [[1985 NCAA Division I-A football season|1985]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1986 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 1 | ranking2 = 1<br />
| year = [[1986 NCAA Division I-A football season|1986]] | overall =12–0<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1987 Fiesta Bowl|Fiesta]] | championship = national }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1987 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1987 NCAA Division I-A football season|1987]] | overall = 8–4<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Capital One Bowl|Citrus]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1988 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1988 NCAA Division I-A football season|1988]] | overall = 5–6 }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1989 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 14 | ranking2 = 15<br />
| year = [[1989 NCAA Division I-A football season|1989]] | overall = 8–3–1<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1989 Holiday Bowl|Holiday]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1990 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 10 | ranking2 = 11<br />
| year = [[1990 NCAA Division I-A football season|1990]] | overall = 9–3<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Champs Sports Bowl|Blockbuster]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1991 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 3 | ranking2 = 3<br />
| year = [[1991 NCAA Division I-A football season|1991]] | overall = 11–2<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1992 Fiesta Bowl|Fiesta]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1992 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 24 | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1992 NCAA Division I-A football season|1992]] | overall = 7–5<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Champs Sports Bowl|Blockbuster]] }}<br />
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| name = [[Penn State Nittany Lions football under Joe Paterno (in the Big Ten)|Penn State Nittany Lions]]<br />
| conf = [[Big Ten Conference]]<br />
| startyear = 1993<br />
| endyear = 2011<br />
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{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1993 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 7 | ranking2 = 8<br />
| year = [[1993 NCAA Division I-A football season|1993]] | overall = 10–2<br />
| conference = 6–2 | confstanding = 3rd<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1994 Florida Citrus Bowl|Citrus]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1994 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 2 | ranking2 = 2<br />
| year = [[1994 NCAA Division I-A football season|1994]] | overall = 12–0<br />
| conference = 8–0 | confstanding = 1st<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1995 Rose Bowl|Rose]] | championship = conference }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1995 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 12 | ranking2 = 13<br />
| year = [[1995 NCAA Division I-A football season|1995]] | overall = 9–3<br />
| conference = 5–3 | confstanding = T–3rd<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1996 Outback Bowl|Outback]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1996 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 7 | ranking2 = 7<br />
| year = [[1996 NCAA Division I-A football season|1996]] | overall = 11–2<br />
| conference = 6–2 | confstanding = T–3rd<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1997 Fiesta Bowl (January)|Fiesta]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1997 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 17 | ranking2 = 16<br />
| year = [[1997 NCAA Division I-A football season|1997]] | overall = 9–3<br />
| conference = 6–2 | confstanding = T–2nd<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Capital One Bowl|Citrus]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1998 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 15 | ranking2 = 17<br />
| year = [[1998 NCAA Division I-A football season|1998]]* | overall = 9–3<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = 5th<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1999 Outback Bowl|Outback]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1999 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = 11 | ranking2 = 11<br />
| year = [[1999 NCAA Division I-A football season|1999]] | overall = 10–3<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = T–4th<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1999 Alamo Bowl|Alamo]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2000 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2000 NCAA Division I-A football season|2000]] | overall = 5–7<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = T–6th }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2001 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2001 NCAA Division I-A football season|2001]] | overall = 5–6<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = T–4th }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2002 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = 15 | ranking2 = 16<br />
| year = [[2002 NCAA Division I-A football season|2002]] | overall = 9–4<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = 4th<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Capital One Bowl|Capital One]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2003 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2003 NCAA Division I-A football season|2003]] | overall = 3–9<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = T–8th }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2004 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2004 NCAA Division I-A football season|2004]] | overall = 4–7<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = 9th }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2005 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = 3 | ranking2 = 3<br />
| year = [[2005 NCAA Division I-A football season|2005]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = T–1st<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[2006 Orange Bowl|Orange]] | bcsbowl = yes | championship = conference }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2006 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = 25 | ranking2 = 24<br />
| year = [[2006 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2006]] | overall = 9–4<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = T–4th<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[2007 Outback Bowl|Outback]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2007 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2007 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2007]] | overall = 9–4 | ranking = 25<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = T–5th<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[2007 Alamo Bowl|Alamo]] }}<br />
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| year = [[2009 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2009]] | overall = 11–2<br />
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| year = [[2010 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2010]] | overall = 7–6<br />
| conference = 0–8 | confstanding = T–4th | bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[2011 Outback Bowl|Outback]]}}<br />
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''*All wins from 1998 through 2011 were vacated by the NCAA as punishment for the [[Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal]]. The decision removed 111 wins and 64 conference wins from Paterno's total.<br />
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* [[List of college football coaches with 200 wins]]<br />
* [[List of College Football Hall of Fame inductees (coaches)]]<br />
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'''Joseph Vincent''' "'''Joe'''" '''Paterno''' ({{IPAc-en|p|ə|ˈ|t|ɜr|n|oʊ}}; December 21, 1926&nbsp;– January 22, 2012), often referred to as "'''JoePa'''," was an American [[college football]] coach who was the [[head coach]] of the [[Penn State Nittany Lions football|Penn State Nittany Lions]] for nearly 46&nbsp;years, from 1966 until 2011 when he was fired for failing to protect children from sexual abuse by his coaching staff.<ref>{{cite web|first=Tim|last=Layden<br />
|title=Joe Paterno 1926—2012: He was the winningest coach in major college football, an advocate for blending sports and academics to create the true student-athlete, and an iconic American sports figure—until an error in judgment clouded his legacy|date=January 30, 2012|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=SI.com|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1194183/index.htm|accessdate=2012-03-17}}</ref><ref name=thamel/><ref name="nyt-psu-child-abuse"/><ref name="usa-psu-child-abuse"/><ref name="psu-child-abuse"/> At the time of his death he held the record for the most victories by an [[NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision]] (FBS) football coach with 409 and was the only FBS coach to reach 400 victories.<ref name="fourhundred">{{cite news | url = http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-psu-northwestern-1106-20101106,0,6289111.story | title = Penn State rallies to win No. 400 for Paterno | work = [[The Morning Call]] | author = Wogenrich, Mark | date = November 6, 2010 | accessdate = November 6, 2010}}</ref> However the NCAA announced that the wins from 1998 on would be vacated, leaving him with 299 wins. He coached five undefeated teams that won major bowl games and, in 2007, was inducted into the [[College Football Hall of Fame]] as a coach. In November 2011, he was fired by the university as a result of the [[Penn State child sex abuse scandal|child sex abuse scandal at Penn State]] involving his former assistant coach [[Jerry Sandusky]].<ref>{{cite news |title=Paterno and Spanier both out at Penn State |author=Michael Sanserino |url= http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11313/1188812-100.stm |newspaper=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]] |date=November 9, 2011 |accessdate=November 19, 2011}}</ref> An investigation conducted by former FBI director [[Louis Freeh]] found, in July 2012, that it was reasonable to conclude that Paterno, along with other university officials, concealed facts related to an alleged 2001 incident of child sex abuse by Sandusky from outside authorities and the Penn State Board of Trustees. <ref>[http://thefreehreportonpsu.com], Freeh Report on the Pennyslvania State University, July 12, 2012, page 16</ref> <ref name="usa-psu-child-abuse"/><ref name="psu-child-abuse"/><ref name=nytJuly12>Ken Belson, [http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/sports/ncaafootball/13pennstate.html "Abuse Scandal Inquiry Damns Paterno and Penn State"], ''New York Times'', 13 July 2012</ref> In response, the NCAA vacated all of Panterno's victories from 1998-2011.<br />
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Paterno was born in [[Brooklyn, New York]] and attended [[Brown University]], where he played football both as the [[quarterback]] and a [[cornerback]]. Originally planning to be a lawyer, he instead signed on as an assistant football coach at Penn State in 1950, persuaded by his college coach [[Rip Engle]] who had taken over as Penn State's head coach. In 1966, Paterno was named as Engle's successor. He soon coached the team to two undefeated regular seasons in [[1968 college football season|1968]] and [[1969 college football season|1969]]. The team won two national championships—in [[1982 college football season|1982]] and [[1986 college football season|1986]]. In all, he led the Nittany Lions to 37 bowl appearances with 24 wins while turning down offers to coach [[National Football League|NFL]] teams, including the [[Pittsburgh Steelers]] and the [[New England Patriots]]. Paterno became the coach with the most wins in Division I history on October 29, 2011. <br />
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During his 61 years at Penn State, Paterno became a beloved figure in the college community. He was known for his game-day image, particularly his thick, square glasses. He and his wife, Sue, donated more than $4 million to Penn State, and funded the school's library that bears their names. Paterno died of complications from [[lung cancer]] on January 22, 2012.<br />
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==Early life==<br />
Paterno was born December 21, 1926, in [[Brooklyn]], New York, and throughout his life he spoke with a marked Brooklyn accent. His family is of [[Italian American|Italian ancestry]]. In 1944, Paterno graduated from the old [[Brooklyn Preparatory School]]. Six weeks later he was drafted into the Army. Paterno spent a year in the Army before being discharged in time to start the 1946 school year at [[Brown University]] where his tuition was paid for by [[Everett M. "Busy" Arnold|Busy Arnold]].<ref>{{cite book | title = Paterno by the Book | author = Joe Paterno with Berndard Absell | publisher = Random House | location = New York | ISBN = 0-394-56501-0 | year = 1989}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college/iowa/article_677e81fa-a9b9-11de-a0ef-001cc4c03286.html |title=How Well Do You Know JoePa?<!--spelling ok "JoePa"--> |date=September 25, 2009 |accessdate=2010-10-03 |first=Don| last=Doxsie| work=[[Waterloo Daily Courier]]|location=Waterloo, Iowa| archiveurl=http://liveweb.archive.org/http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college/iowa/article_677e81fa-a9b9-11de-a0ef-001cc4c03286.html | archivedate=November 9, 2011|deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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In college Paterno was a member of [[Delta Kappa Epsilon]] fraternity (Upsilon chapter).<ref>{{cite press release | title = DKE Mourns Loss of Brother Joe Paterno | publisher = Delta Kappa Epsilon International Fraternity | date = January 22, 2012 | url = http://dke.org/news.php?nid=1573 |accessdate = 2012-01-22}}</ref> He played quarterback and cornerback for the [[Brown Bears football|Brown Bears]], and shares the career record for interceptions with Greg Parker at 14.<ref name="brown football">{{cite web|url=http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/brow/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/FootballMediaGuide.pdf|title=2005 Brown University Football Media Guide|format=PDF|publisher=Brown University Sports Information Department|accessdate=2006-12-28|year=2005}}</ref> Paterno graduated in 1950. Although his father asked, "For God's sake, what did you go to college for?" after hearing of his career choice,<ref name="lopresti20081217">{{cite news|last=Lopresti|first=Mike|title=Paterno's run at Penn State is one long journey|url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2008-12-17-lopresti-paterno_N.htm|accessdate=2010-09-04|newspaper=USA Today|date=December 17, 2008}}</ref> Paterno joined [[Rip Engle]] as an assistant coach at Penn State in 1950; Engle had coached five seasons, 1944–1949, at Brown. Engle announced his retirement in February 1966, and Paterno was named his successor.<br />
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==Coaching history==<br />
Paterno's abbreviated [[2011 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2011 season]] was his 62nd on the Penn State coaching staff, which gave him the record for most seasons for any football coach at any university. The 2009 season was Paterno's 44th as [[head coach]] of the [[Nittany Lions]], passing [[Amos Alonzo Stagg]] for the most years as head coach at a single institution in Division I.<ref name="GoPSUSports">[http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/paterno_joe00.html Joe Paterno] GoPSUSports.com</ref><br />
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Paterno was known for his gameday image—thick glasses, rolled-up pants (by his admission, to save on cleaning bills), white socks and Brooklyn-tinged speech.<ref>[[Ivan Maisel|Maisel, Ivan]]. [http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7212678/penn-state-nittany-lions-coach-joe-paterno-legacy Joe Paterno's Penn State legacy]. [[ESPN]], 2011-11-09.</ref> Reflecting the growth in Penn State's stature during his tenure, [[Beaver Stadium]] was expanded six times during his tenure, increasing in size from 46,284 in 1966 to 106,572 in 2001.<br />
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The [[Pittsburgh Steelers]] offered their head coach position to Paterno in [[1969 NFL season|1969]], an offer he considered seriously. The Steelers hired [[Chuck Noll]], who won four [[Super Bowl]]s in his first 11 years, and coached for an additional twelve seasons.<br />
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[[File:Paterno and hardin.jpg|thumb|right|upright|Joe Paterno and [[Temple Owls football|Temple]] Coach [[Wayne Hardin]] in 1988]]<br />
The [[New York Giants]] reportedly offered Paterno their head coaching spot numerous times during the team's struggles during the 1970s and early 1980s.<br />
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[[Michigan Wolverines|Michigan]] Athletic Director [[Don Canham]] contacted Paterno in 1969 to see whether Paterno would accept the vacant Michigan job. Paterno turned down the offer and Michigan hired [[Bo Schembechler]]. In 1972, Paterno was offered the head coaching position by the [[New England Patriots]]. He accepted their offer, but three weeks later decided to back out of it. The Patriots hired [[Chuck Fairbanks]] of [[Oklahoma Sooners football|Oklahoma]] instead.<br />
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In 1995, Paterno apologized for a tirade directed at [[Rutgers Scarlet Knights|Rutgers]] then-head coach [[Doug Graber]] at the end of a nationally televised game.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/27/sports/paterno-offers-apology.html|title=Paterno Offers Apology|date=September 27, 1995|work=[[The New York Times]]}}</ref> Paterno was accused of "[[making light of]] sexual assault" in 2006 by the [[National Organization for Women]] which called for his resignation, though Penn State later categorized this incident as being "taken out of context" and never seriously considered asking for Paterno's resignation.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/10766548/ | title=Paterno says words 'taken out of context' | date=January 11, 2006 |publisher=NBC Sports | accessdate=2010-06-25}}</ref> Paterno also was involved in a [[road rage]] incident in 2007.<ref>{{cite web | url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3058734 | title=Paterno acknowledges part in incident; cops find no violation | date=October 12, 2007 |publisher=ESPN | accessdate=2010-06-25}}</ref><br />
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The [[Pennsylvania State Employees' Retirement System]] (SERS) revealed Paterno's salary in November 2007: $512,664. He was paid $490,638 in 2006.<ref name="salary">{{cite news|title=Paterno's salary released to public|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4215919|agency=Associated Press|date= May 29, 2009|accessdate=2011-01-01 | publisher = ESPN }}</ref> The figure was not inclusive of other compensation, such as money from television and apparel contracts as well as other bonuses that Paterno and other football bowl subdivision coaches earned, said Robert Gentzel, SERS communications director.{{Citation needed|date=June 2012}} The release of these amounts can only come at the university's approval, which Penn State spokeswoman Lisa Powers said will not happen.{{Citation needed|date=June 2012}} "I'm paid well, I'm not overpaid," Paterno said during an interview with reporters Wednesday before the salary disclosure. "I got all the money I need".{{Citation needed|date=June 2012}}<br />
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In 2008, due to a litany of football players' off-the-field legal problems, including 46 Penn State football players having faced 163 criminal charges according to an ESPN analysis of Pennsylvania court records and reports dating to 2002,<ref>{{cite news | url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3504915 | title=Has Penn State's on-field progress led to off-field problems? | first=Paula | last=Lavigne | publisher=ESPN | date=July 27, 2008 | accessdate=2011-11-06}}</ref> ESPN questioned Joe Paterno's and the university's control over the Penn State football program by producing and airing an ESPN's ''[[Outside the Lines]]'' feature covering the subject.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3506616 | title=Has Penn State's on-field progress led to off-field problems? | date=July 27, 2008 | first=Paula | last=Lavign | publisher=ESPN | accessdate=2010-06-25}}</ref> Paterno was criticized for his response dismissing the allegations as a "[[witch hunt]]", and chiding reporters for asking about problems.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/509555.html?nav=5017 | title=JoePa, PSU exposed by ESPN | first=Cory | last=Giger | newspaper=The Altoona Mirror | location=Altoona, PA | date=July 28, 2008 | accessdate=2011-11-06}}</ref><br />
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On November 6, 2010, Paterno recorded his 400th career victory with a 35–21 victory over Northwestern. Facing a 21–0 deficit, Penn State scored 35 unanswered points, tying Paterno's largest comeback victory as a coach. <br />
On October 29, 2011, Paterno recorded his 409th career victory with a 10–7 victory over [[2011 Illinois Fighting Illini football team|Illinois]]. Facing a 7–3 deficit, Penn State drove 86 yards on their final drive to score a touchdown. A missed 42-yard field goal by Illinois which would have sent the game to overtime secured Paterno's 409th victory. With this victory, Paterno passed [[Eddie Robinson (American football coach)|Eddie Robinson]] to become the winningest head coach in Division I college football. At the time, he trailed the leader, the still-active [[John Gagliardi]] of [[Division III (NCAA)|Division III]] [[College of Saint Benedict and Saint John's University|Saint John's University (Minnesota)]], by 73 wins.<br />
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===Bowls and championships===<br />
[[File:Joe Paterno runs out with team crop.jpg|thumb|right|Paterno runs out with his team before the start of a game, September 2007]]<br />
Paterno held more bowl victories (24) than any coach in history. He also topped the list of bowl appearances with 37.<ref name="bowlsespn">{{cite news|title=Paterno says he has no plans to leave Penn State|publisher=ESPN|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2685245|date=December 4, 2006|accessdate=2007-04-05}}</ref> He had a bowl record of 24 wins, 12 losses, and 1 tie following a defeat in the [[2011 Outback Bowl]]. Paterno was the only coach with the distinction of having won each of the four major bowls—Rose, Orange, Fiesta, and Sugar—as well as the Cotton Bowl Classic, at least once. Under Paterno, Penn State won at least three bowl games each decade since 1970.<br />
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Paterno led Penn State to two [[NCAA Division I-A national football championship|national championships]] (1982 and 1986) and five undefeated, untied seasons (1968, 1969, 1973, 1986, and 1994). Four of his unbeaten teams (1968, 1969, 1973, and 1994) won major bowl games and were not awarded a national championship.<br />
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Penn State under Paterno won the [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange Bowl]] (1968, 1969, 1973, and 2005), the [[Cotton Bowl Classic]] (1972 and 1974), the [[Fiesta Bowl]] (1977, 1980, 1981, 1986, 1991, and 1996), the [[Liberty Bowl]] (1979), the [[Sugar Bowl]] (1982), the [[Aloha Bowl]] (1983), the [[Holiday Bowl]] (1989), the [[Capital One Bowl|Citrus Bowl]] (1993 and 2010), the [[Rose Bowl Game|Rose Bowl]] (1994), the [[Outback Bowl]] (1995, 1998, 2006) and the [[Alamo Bowl]] (1999 and 2007).<br />
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After Penn State joined the [[Big Ten Conference]] in 1993, the Nittany Lions under Paterno won the [[Big Ten Conference football champions|Big Ten championship]] three times (1994, 2005, and 2008). Paterno had 29 finishes in the Top 10 national rankings.<br />
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===Awards and honors===<br />
Following the 1986 championship season, Paterno was the first college football coach named "[[Sportsman of the Year]]" by Sports Illustrated magazine. In 2005, following an 11–1 comeback season in which the Lions won a share of the Big Ten title and a [[Bowl Championship Series|BCS]] berth, Paterno was named the 2005 [[Associated Press College Football Coach of the Year Award|AP Coach of the Year]], and the 2005 [[Walter Camp Coach of the Year]].<br />
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[[File:Paterno memorial.jpg|thumb|upright|[[Joe Paterno statue|Joe Paterno's statue]] formerly stood in front of Penn State's [[Beaver Stadium]]. The statue was removed by the university on July 22, 2012 and placed in secure storage.]]<br />
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*''Sports Illustrated'' [[Sportsman of the Year]]&nbsp;– 1986<br />
*Amos Alonzo Stagg Coaching Award ([[United States Sports Academy]] (USSA))&nbsp;– 1989, 2001<ref>[http://www.gatorzone.com/story.php?id=12389&html=basketball/men/news/20070717060100.html&sport=baskm Donovan Presented With United States Sports Academy Coaching Award]. GatorZone.com (2007-07-17). Retrieved on 2011-01-02.</ref><br />
*[[Amos Alonzo Stagg Award]] (AFCA)&nbsp;– [[2002 NCAA Division I-A football season|2002]]<br />
*[[AFCA Coach of the Year]]&nbsp;– 1968, 1978, 1982, 1986, 2005<br />
*[[Associated Press College Football Coach of the Year Award]]&nbsp;– [[2005 NCAA Division I-A football season|2005]]<br />
*[[Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award]]&nbsp;– [[1981 NCAA Division I-A football season|1981]], [[2005 NCAA Division I-A football season|2005]]<br />
*[[Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year]]&nbsp;– [[1978 NCAA Division I-A football season|1978]], [[1982 NCAA Division I-A football season|1982]], [[1986 NCAA Division I-A football season|1986]]<br />
*[[George Munger Award]] (Div. I Coach of the Year)&nbsp;– 1990, 1994, 2005<br />
*[[Paul "Bear" Bryant Award]]&nbsp;– [[1986 NCAA Division I-A football season|1986]]<br />
*[[Sporting News College Football Coach of the Year|''Sporting News'' College Football Coach of the Year]]&nbsp;– 2005<br />
*[[The Home Depot Coach of the Year Award]]&nbsp;– [[2005 NCAA Division I-A football season|2005]]<br />
*[[Walter Camp Coach of the Year Award]]&nbsp;– [[1972 NCAA Division I-A football season|1972]], [[1994 NCAA Division I-A football season|1994]], [[2005 NCAA Division I-A football season|2005]]<br />
*[[Big Ten Conference football individual honors#Dave McClain Coach of the Year|Dave McClain Big Ten Conference Coach of the Year]]&nbsp;– 1994, 2005, 2008<br />
*[[NCAA Gerald R. Ford Award]]&nbsp;– 2011<ref>{{cite news |title=Paterno honored with Ford Award |url=http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/2011-01-13/paterno-honored-ford-award |publisher=[[NCAA]] |author=Porter, Kristen Leigh |date=February 14, 2011 |accessdate=2011-11-09}}</ref><br />
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On May 16, 2006, Paterno was elected to the [[College Football Hall of Fame]] after the National Football Foundation decided to change its rules and allow any coach over the age of 75 to be eligible for the Hall of Fame instead of having to wait until retirement.<ref name="gopsusports hof">{{cite web|url=http://www.gopsusports.com/pressreleases/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=10333|title=Paterno & Bowden to Receive National Football Foundation's Highest Honor at Hall of Fame Induction|date=May 25, 2006|accessdate=2006-12-28|publisher=Penn State Intercollegiate Athletics |archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20061213051507/http://www.gopsusports.com/pressreleases/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=10333 <!-- Bot retrieved archive -->|archivedate = December 13, 2006}}</ref> However, on November 4, 2006 he was injured during a sideline collision during a game against [[University of Wisconsin–Madison|Wisconsin]]. As a result of his injuries, he was unable to travel to the induction ceremonies in New York City and the National Football Foundation announced that he would instead be inducted as a part of the Hall of Fame class of 2007.<ref name="postponed induction">{{cite web|url=http://www.collegefootball.org/news.php?id=1035|title=Paterno Postpones Hall of Fame Induction|accessdate=2006-12-28|date=December 21, 2006|publisher=National Football Foundation}}</ref> Paterno was inducted on December 4, 2007,<ref>{{cite news|title = JoePa enters Hall of Fame after 57 years on sidelines|url = http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/12/05/joepa_enters_hall_of_fame_afte.aspx|work=[[The Daily Collegian (Penn State)|The Daily Collegian]] |first=Mark|last=Viera|date=December 5, 2007|accessdate=2007-12-06}}</ref> and officially enshrined in a ceremony held July 19, 2008.<ref>{{cite web|title=Paterno Formally Enshrined in Hall|url=http://pennstate.scout.com/2/770563.html|publisher=Fight On State|date=July 20, 2008|accessdate=2008-07-21}}</ref><br />
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In 2009, Paterno was named to ''Sporting News''' list of the 50 greatest coaches of all time (MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, college basketball, and college football). He is listed in position 13.<ref>{{cite web|first=Jeff|last=D'Alessio|title=Sporting News' 50 greatest coaches of all time|date=July 29, 2009|publisher=SportingNews.com|url=http://www.sportingnews.com/college-basketball/article/2009-07-29/sporting-news-50-greatest-coaches-all-time|accessdate=2011-01-29}}</ref><br />
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In 2010, the [[Maxwell Football Club]] of Philadelphia established the [[Joseph V. Paterno Award]], to be awarded annually to the college football coach "who has made a positive impact on his university, his players and his community."<ref>{{cite news | url = http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2010/03/joe_paterno_will_have_college.html | title = Joe Paterno will have college award named after him | date = March 5, 2010 | accessdate = 2010-03-06 | author = Flounders, Bob | work = [[The Patriot-News]] }}</ref> Following the breaking of the [[Penn State child sex abuse scandal]] the following year, the award was discontinued by the club.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/40146/paterno-coaching-award-discontinued | title=Paterno coaching award discontinued | first=Adam | last=Rittenberg |publisher=ESPN | date=November 29, 2011 | accessdate=2011-12-07}}</ref><br />
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Also in 2010, the [[Big Ten Conference]] established the Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy as the annual trophy to be awarded to the winner of the conference football championship.<ref name="Stagg">{{cite news|author=Shanker, Jared|title=Big Ten honors Paterno; Big Ten unveils logo, divisions| work = [[The Patriot-News]] |date=December 13, 2010|url= http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2010/12/big_ten_title_trophy_honors_pa.html| accessdate=2010-12-14}}</ref> However, on November 14, 2011, the trophy name was changed to the [[Stagg Championship Trophy]] in light of Paterno's purported involvement with the Sandusky child abuse scandal.<ref>{{cite news |last=Rittenberg |first=Adam |title=Joe Paterno's name off Big Ten trophy |date=November 14, 2011 |publisher=ESPN |url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7233492/big-ten-removes-joe-paterno-name-championship-trophy |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/63C8Ryuw0 |archivedate=November 14, 2011 | deadurl = no }}</ref><br />
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Paterno was also nominated for the [[Presidential Medal of Freedom]]. However, in light of Paterno's purported involvement with Sandusky child abuse scandal, Senators Toomey and Casey as well as Representative Thompson withdrew their support of Paterno receiving the honor.<ref>{{cite news|title=Thompson also pulling Paterno medal support|url=|publisher=politico.com|date=November 11, 2003|accessdate=2008-11-28}}</ref><ref>{{cite press release | title = Thompson on Presidential Medal of Freedom Nomination | publisher = Representative Glenn Thompson, United States House of Representatives | date = November 11, 2011 | url = http://thompson.house.gov/2011/11/thompson-with-a-heavy-hearti-respectfully-withdraw-my-support-for-mr-paternos-nomination.shtml | accessdate = 2012-01-22}}</ref><ref>{{cite press release | title = Sens. Toomey And Casey Rescind Support For Medal Of Freedom Nomination For Joe Paterno | publisher = Pat Toomey, Senator for Pennsylvania | date = November 10, 2011 | url = http://toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=344 | accessdate = 2012-01-22}}</ref><br />
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As Penn State football struggled from 2000 to 2004, with an overall 26–33 record in those years, Paterno became the target of criticism from some Penn State faithful. Many in the media attributed Penn State's struggles to Paterno's advancing age. With no apparent plans to retire, contingents of fans and alumni began calling for him to step down. Paterno rebuffed all of this and stated he would fulfill his contract which would expire in 2008.<ref>{{cite news|title=Paterno driven to revive Lions|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=o5MNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lXADAAAAIBAJ&pg=2326,6489049|work=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|first=Ray|last=Fittipaldo|date=December 20, 2003|accessdate=2008-10-27|page=D-1}}</ref><br />
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Paterno announced in a speech in [[Pittsburgh]] on May 12, 2005, that he would consider retirement if the [[2005 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|2005 football team]] had a disappointing season. "If we don't win some games, I've got to get my rear end out of here", Paterno said in a speech at the Duquesne Club. "Simple as that".<ref name="duquesne">{{cite news |url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05133/504023.stm|title=Paterno puts career on line|date=May 13, 2005|work=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|last=Harlan|first=Chico|accessdate=2007-04-04}}</ref> However, Penn State finished the season with a record of 11–1 and were champions of the [[Big Ten]] in 2005. They defeated Florida State 26–23 in triple overtime in the [[2006 Orange Bowl]].<br />
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==Child sex abuse scandal and termination==<br />
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On November 5, 2011, former Penn State [[defensive coordinator]] [[Jerry Sandusky]] was arrested on 40 counts of child sexual abuse occurring between 1994 and 2009, including allegations of incidents on the Penn State campus.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/former-coach-at-penn-state-is-charged-with-abuse.html | title=Former Coach at Penn State Is Charged With Abuse | first=Mark | last=Viera |work=[[The New York Times]] | date=November 5, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-06}}</ref> A 2011 grand jury investigation reported that then-graduate assistant [[Mike McQueary]] told Paterno in 2002 that he had seen Sandusky abusing a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_puts_mike_mcqueary.html | title=Penn State puts Mike McQueary, witness to alleged attack, on administrative lead | first=Matthew | last=Stanmyre | work=[[The Star-Ledger]] | location=Newark, NJ| date=November 11, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-12}}</ref> According to the report, Paterno notified Athletic Director Tim Curley about the incident, and later notified Gary Schultz, Vice President of Finance and Business,<ref>title=Schultz returns to fill interim senior VP post; nominations sought |url=http://live.psu.edu/tag/Gary_Schultz</ref> who also oversaw the University Police.<ref name=prez>{{cite news |author=Taylor, John |url= http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/05/penn-state-prez-offers-unconditional-support-to-ad |title=Penn State prez offers unconditional support to AD |date=November 5, 2011 |accessdate=2011-11-06 |publisher=[[NBC Sports]]}}</ref> <br />
Paterno said McQueary informed him that "he had witnessed an incident in the shower... but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report."<ref>{{cite news |last1=Rittenberg |first1=Adam |last2=Bennett |first2=Brian |title=Joe Paterno statement on Sandusky case |date=November 6, 2011 |publisher=ESPN |url=http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/37765/joe-paterno-statement-on-sandusky-case |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/639PgaQkQ |archivedate=November 12, 2011 | deadurl = no }}</ref> In his Grand Jury testimony, Paterno stated that McQueary had described Sandusky "fondling" a young boy in an act he described of a "sexual nature," but stopped short of the graphic rape to which McQueary would later testify.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Wogenrich |first1=Mark |last2=McGill |first2=Andrew |title=Penn State's Mike McQueary says he told police of alleged rape |date=November 15, 2011 |publisher=LA Times |url=http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/15/sports/la-sp-penn-state-20111116 }}</ref><ref>{{cite news |last=Ganim |first=Sara | url= http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/paternos_full_grand_jury_testi.html | title=Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno's full grand jury testimony on Jerry Sandusky sex-abuse case read into the record at hearing | newspaper=The Patriot News | date=December 16, 2011}}</ref><br />
Prosecutors stated that Paterno was not accused of any wrongdoing, as he fulfilled his legal obligation to report the incident to his immediate supervisor, Curley. However, he was harshly criticized for not doing more. <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/09/penn-states-joe-paterno-said-will-retire-at-end-season/|title=Penn State's Joe Paterno Says He Will Retire at End of Season|date=November 9, 2011|accessdate=2011-11-09|publisher=Fox News}}</ref> The victim in the 2002 incident was never identified,<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7203566/penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-case-officials-arraigned-police-seek-alleged-assault-victim | title=Officials seeking alleged abuse victims | date=November 9, 2011 | accessdate=February 10, 2012|publisher=ESPN}}</ref> and Sandusky continued to sexually abuse children up until his arrest in 2011.<ref>{{cite news | url= http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/documents/sandusky-grand-jury-report11052011.html | title=Jerry Sandusky grand jury report | newspaper=The Washington Post | date=November 5, 2011 | accessdate=February 10, 2012}}</ref> On November 7, Pennsylvania state police Commissioner Frank Noonan opined that while Paterno did not violate any laws, anyone with knowledge of possible sexual abuse against minors had a "moral responsibility" to notify police.<ref name="cbssports.com">{{cite news | url= http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16017251/two-top-officials-step-down-amid-penn-state-scandal?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 | title=Police official: Paterno didn't do enough to stop abuse | newspaper=CBSSports.com | date=November 7, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-07}}</ref> Despite the gravity of allegations against Sandusky, Paterno did not notify state police.<ref name="cbssports.com">{{cite news | url= http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16017251/two-top-officials-step-down-amid-penn-state-scandal?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 | title=Police official: Paterno didn't do enough to stop abuse | newspaper=CBSSports.com | date=November 7, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-07}}</ref><ref name="NY Daily News">{{cite news|last=O'keefe|first=Michael|title=JoePa: A look back at the sex abuse scandal|url=http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-01-22/news/30653964_1_paterno-and-other-university-grand-jury-report-paterno-s-nittany-lions|accessdate=17 May 2012|newspaper=NY Daily News|date=22 Jan 2012|quote=Paterno did not face criminal charges for failing to notify police...}}</ref><br />
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On the night of November 8, hundreds of students gathered in front on Paterno's home in support of the coach. Paterno thanked the crowd and said, "The kids who were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. It's a tough life when people do certain things to you."<ref>{{cite news |last=Hansen |first=Marc |title=Hansen: For Paterno, the bare minimum was never enough – until this moral oversight |date=November 9, 2011 |newspaper=[[The Des Moines Register]] |url=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20111109/SPORTS/311090088/1024/SPORTS08/?odyssey=nav|head |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/636II0590 |archivedate=November 10, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |last=Auerbach |first=Nicole |title=Penn State students cheer for Paterno |date=November 9, 2011 |newspaper=[[Detroit Free Press]] |url=http://www.freep.com/article/20111109/SPORTS08/111109020/Penn-State-students-cheer-Paterno |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/636IQzHod |archivedate=November 10, 2011}}</ref> He led the crowd in "We are Penn State" cheers, which unnamed members of the Penn State Board of Trustees viewed as insensitive.<ref name=thamel>{{cite news |last1=Thamel |first1=Pete |last2=Viera |first2=Mark |title=Penn State's Trustees Recount Painful Decision to Fire Paterno |date=January 19, 2012 |page=B15 |newspaper=[[The New York Times]] |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/19/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-trustees-recall-decision-to-fire-paterno.html?pagewanted=all |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/64q1SWHkC |archivedate=January 20, 2012 | deadurl = no }}</ref><ref>{{cite news |last=Manfred |first=Tony |title=STUNNING VIDEO: Joe Paterno Speaks To A Mob Of Cheering Penn State Students On His Lawn |date=November 8, 2011 |publisher=Business Insider |url=http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-paterno-lawn-students-2011-11 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/64q0Wz1vi |archivedate=January 20, 2012}}</ref> In part because of the scandal, Paterno announced the following day that he would retire at the end of the season, stating:<br />
{{quote| . . . I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.<ref>Smith, Erick. [http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/ap-paterno-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-season/1 Penn State's Joe Paterno to retire at the end of the season], [[USA Today]], November 9, 2011</ref><ref>{{cite news| url=http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/09/report-joe-paterno-to-retire-at-seasons-end/ | publisher=CNN | title=Joe Paterno to retire at season's end }}</ref>}}<br />
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Later that evening, however, the Board of Trustees decided to turn down Paterno's offer to resign, instead voting to relieve him of coaching duties effective immediately.<ref name=thamel/><ref>{{cite news | url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/-joe-paterno-and-graham-spanier-out-at-penn-state.html?pagewanted=all | title=Paterno Is Finished at Penn State, and President Is Out |work=[[The New York Times]] | date=November 9, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-28 | first=Mark | last=Viera}}</ref> They considered but ultimately rejected the idea of letting Paterno finish out the season, saying that growing outrage at the situation made it impossible for him to be effective.<ref name=thamel/><ref name=facultymember>{{cite news|title=Penn State president blames scandal on Sandusky|url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/us/penn-state-paterno/index.html|publisher=CNN|date=January 13, 2012|accessdate=January 14, 2012}}</ref><ref name=KennedyMcGill>Kennedy, Sam; McGill, Andrew. [http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-trustees-turnaround-20111110,0,3236661.story Trustee: Media frenzy forced board's hand]. ''[[The Morning Call]]'', 2011-11-10.</ref> Unable to reach Paterno personally due to the crowd around his house and not wanting Paterno to find out through the media, the board notified him of their decision over the phone.<ref name="PennLiveAP">{{cite news|url=http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/penn_state_trustees_say_they_f.html|title=Penn State trustees say they fired Joe Paterno over 'failure of leadership' in Jerry Sandusky case|date=March 12, 2012|author=Associated Press}}</ref><ref name=PSUBoardReport>Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees, [http://live.psu.edu/story/58341 "Report of the Board of Trustees concerning Nov. 9 decisions"], ''Penn State Live'', March 12, 2012</ref> [[Tom Bradley (American football)|Tom Bradley]], Sandusky's successor as defensive coordinator, was named interim head coach for the remainder of the 2011 season. At the same meeting, school president [[Graham Spanier]] resigned rather than face being fired as well.<ref>Frantz, Jeff. [http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/is_rodney_erickson_penn_state.html Is Rodney Erickson Penn State president by choice, or necessity?] ''[[The Patriot-News]]'', 2011-11-18.</ref><ref>[http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_president_gr.html Former Penn State president Graham Spanier volunteered to resign, wasn't fired, report says]. ''[[The Patriot-News]]'', 2011-11-17.</ref><ref>{{cite news | url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state | title=Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier out |publisher=ESPN | date=November 9, 2011 | accessdate=2011-11-09}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | url=http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/northeast/view/20111202penn_state_trustees_reaffirm_and_ratify_boards_personnel_decisions_on_joe_paterno_and_graham_spanier/srvc=home | title=Penn State trustees 'reaffirm and ratify' board's personnel decisions on Joe Paterno and Graham Spanier | work=[[Boston Herald]] | date=December 2, 2011 | accessdate=2011-12-04 | first=Anne | last=Danahy}}</ref><br />
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Paterno's firing was met with outrage by students and alumni. That night, several thousand Penn State students chanting Paterno's name rioted in the streets, hurling rocks, tearing down street signs and overturning a news van.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-students-in-clashes-after-joe-paterno-is-ousted.html|title=Penn State Students Clash With Police in Unrest After Announcement|date=November 10, 2011|accessdate=2011-11-13|author=Schweber, Nate|work=[[The New York Times]]}}</ref> Paterno supporters and family members continued to harshly criticize the Board's actions in the months following his death, prompting the Board to release an additional statement explaining their decision. The board said that Paterno had demonstrated a "failure of leadership" by only fulfilling his legal obligation to inform Curley about the 2001 incident and not going to the police himself.<ref name=PennLiveAP /><ref name=PSUBoardReport /><br />
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===Posthumous findings===<br />
Former [[FBI]] director [[Louis Freeh]], whose firm was hired by the Penn State Board of Trustees to conduct an independent investigation into the scandal, concluded, after interviewing over 400 people and reviewing over 3.5 million documents, that Paterno, Spanier, Curley and Schultz had deliberately conspired to conceal Sandusky's actions in order to protect publicity surrounding Penn State's vaunted football program. <ref name="nyt-psu-child-abuse">{{cite news|title=Penn State’s Part|date=July 12, 2012|accessdate=July 13, 2012|newspaper=The New York Times|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/opinion/penn-states-part-in-the-sandusky-sexual-abuse-scandal.html}}</ref><ref name="usa-psu-child-abuse">{{cite news|last1=Johnson|first1=Kevin|last2=Marklein|first2=Mary Beth|title=Freeh report blasts culture of Penn State|date=July 13, 2012|newspaper=USA Today|url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-12/louis-freeh-report-penn-state-jerry-sandusky/56181956/1|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/697dbG9uh|archivedate=July 13, 2012|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="psu-child-abuse">{{cite press release|title=REMARKS OF LOUIS FREEH IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANNOUNCEMENT OF PUBLICATION OF REPORT REGARDING THE PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY|date=July 12, 2012|publisher=Kekst and Company|url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/99901024/Freeh-Report-Release|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/697bWvS4B|archivedate=July 13, 2012|deadurl=no|quote=Although concern to treat the child abuser humanely was expressly stated, no such sentiments were ever expressed by them for Sandusky’s victims.}}</ref> Freeh's investigation found that by their actions, the four men "failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade." The report concluded that Paterno, along with Schultz, Spanier and Curley "concealed Sandusky's activities from the Board of Trustees, the University community and authorities."<ref name=FreehReport/> Emails uncovered by Freeh’s investigation revealed that Paterno had lied to the grand jury on at least two occasions: first, when testifying that he was unaware of any possible child abuse by Sandusky prior to the 2001 Lasch shower rape, and second, in claiming that he had only once spoken to Tim Curley about the 2001 incident. Emails uncovered by Freeh's team showed Paterno had, in fact, closely followed an earlier 1998 investigation about possible child molestation by Sandusky. In 2001, while Paterno claimed his only discussion regarding McQueary's report to him about Sandusky in the Lasch showers was with Curley immediately following the incident, subsequent emails revealed he had engaged in additional conversations with Curley pressuring him (and Schultz and Spanier) not to report the rape to police. <ref name=FreehReport/><ref name="espn">{{cite news | author=Associated Press| title=Joe Paterno may have faced charges | url= http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/8164487/legal-experts-say-joe-paterno-faced-charges-freeh-report| date=2012-07-13 | accessdate=2012-07-13}}</ref><ref name="nyt">{{cite news | author=Ken Belson | title=Abuse Scandal Inquiry Damns Paterno and Penn State | url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/sports/ncaafootball/13pennstate.html?_r=2&hp | work=[[The New York Times]] | date=2012-07-12 | accessdate=2012-07-13}}</ref> <ref name="nyt"/><br />
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In addition, the report said that even after Sandusky's retirement in 1999 Paterno, Schultz, Spanier and Curley "empowered Sandusky to attract potential victims to the campus and football events by allowing him to have continued, unrestricted and unsupervised access to the University's facilities and affiliation with the University's prominent football program."<ref name=FreehReport>[http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/other/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf Report of the Special Investigative Counsel Regarding the Pennsylvania State University Related to the Child Sexual Abuse Committed by Gerald A. Sandusky]. July 2012. p. 14-15.</ref><br />
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On July 12, 2012, [[Mark Parker]], president of [[Nike Inc.|Nike, Inc.]], said that Nike will remove Paterno's name from the Joe Paterno Child Development Center, a child care facility at the company's headquarters in [[Beaverton, Oregon]].<ref>{{cite web|title=Paterno's name off child care center|url=http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/president-of-nike-mark-parker-deicdes-to-change-name-of-joe-paterno-child-development-center-at-company-headquarters-071212|publisher=FOX Sports|accessdate=12 July 2012}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Joe Paterno's Name Removed From Child Development Center at Nike Headquarters|url=http://www.nesn.com/2012/07/joe-paternos-name-removed-from-child-development-center-at-nike-headquarters.html|publisher=NESN.com|accessdate=12 July 2012}}</ref><br />
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In a July 14, 2012 article titled "'Paterno Won Sweeter Deal Even as Scandal Played Out'" ''[[The New York Times]]'' reported that Paterno sought renegotiation of his contract in January 2011, the same month he became aware of the investigation, although his contract did not expire until the end of 2012. The contract renegotiations continued during the same time that Paterno testified before a grand jury about Sandusky. By August 2011, a deal was reached for a $3 million payout if Paterno agreed the 2011 season would be his last. The Times reported that "the board of trustees — bombarded with hate mail and threatened with a defamation lawsuit by Mr. Paterno's family — gave the family virtually everything it wanted, with a package worth roughly $5.5 million." The article stated that the Paterno family has "angrily disputed the conclusions of an independent investigation that asserted Mr. Paterno and other top university officials protected a serial predator in order to "avoid the consequences of bad publicity" for the university, its football program and its coach's reputation." A lawyer for the family also claimed that the retirement package was proposed by Penn State.<ref>{{cite web|title=Paterno Won Sweeter Deal Even as Scandal Played Out|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/joe-paterno-got-richer-contract-amid-jerry-sandusky-inquiry.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper|publisher=nytimes.com|accessdate=14 July 2012}}</ref><br />
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On July 17, 2012, [[Brown University]] announced their decision to remove Paterno's name from their annual award honoring outstanding male freshman athletes, also stating that his current status in the Brown Athletic Hall of Fame is now under review.<ref>{{cite web|title=University reviews honors named for Joe Paterno|url=http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2012/07/paterno|publisher=Brown University|accessdate=17 July 2012}}</ref><br />
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==Views on college football issues==<br />
[[File:PaternoTemple.png|thumb|upright|Paterno in 2003]]<br />
Paterno was a long-time advocate for some type of college football playoff system. The question was posed to him frequently over the years, as only one of his five undefeated teams was voted national champion.<ref>{{cite news|title=Outback Bowl matches Penn State with Tennessee|date=December 4, 2006|url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06338/743343-143.stm|work=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|first=Paul|last=Zeise|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Paterno mum on poll puzzle, supports playoffs|first=Kevin|last=Gorman|url=http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1994/11/11-02-94tdc/11-02-94dsports-6.asp|work=[[The Daily Collegian (Penn State)|The Daily Collegian]]|date=November 2, 1994|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Penn State's title hopes bowled over; no playoff in sight|url=http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1995/09/09-09-95cm/09-09-95cmsports-8.asp|first=Kevin|last=Gorman|work=[[The Daily Collegian (Penn State)|The Daily Collegian]]|date=September 9, 1995|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref><br />
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Paterno believed that scholarship college athletes should receive a modest stipend, so that they have some spending money. As justification, Paterno pointed out that many scholarship athletes are from poor families and that other students have time to hold down a part-time job, whereas busy practice and conditioning schedules prevent college athletes from working during the school year.<ref>{{cite news|title=College athletes: To pay or not to pay?|url=http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1988/04/04-26-88tdc/04-26-88dsports-05.asp|first=Steve|last=Sampsell|date=April 26, 1988|accessdate=2008-10-27|work=[[The Daily Collegian (Penn State)|The Daily Collegian]]}}</ref><br />
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Paterno preferred to not play [[Redshirt (college sports)|true freshmen]]. Later in his career, Paterno played true freshmen so as not to be at a competitive disadvantage. Some Penn State recruits, like recruits at many other schools, now graduate from high school a semester early so that they can enroll in college during the spring semester and participate in spring practice. Several team members from the recruiting class of 2005, including [[Justin King (American football)|Justin King]], [[Anthony Scirrotto]], and [[Derrick Williams (American football)|Derrick Williams]], received considerable playing time as true freshmen during the 2005–2006 season.<ref>{{cite news|title=National Notebook | Freshmen Williams, King lead Nittany Lions back to national prominence|url=http://media.www.dailyorange.com/media/storage/paper522/news/2005/10/07/Sports/National.Notebook.Freshmen.Williams.King.Lead.Nittany.Lions.Back.To.National.Pr-1013579.shtml|first=Pat|last=DiSalvo|work=[[The Daily Orange]]|date=October 7, 2005|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref><br />
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In 2010, Paterno and former [[Chicago Bears]] head coach [[Mike Ditka]] suggested that concussions and other injuries in the NFL and college football might be reduced if face masks were done away with.<ref>http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/Paterno-and-Ditka-NFL-Should-Get-Rid-Of-Facemasks-105458773.html</ref><br />
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Penn State's football players were twice recognized for outstanding academic performance by the New America Foundation's Academic Bowl Championship Series while under the leadership of Paterno.<ref name="academics">{{cite news | url = http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2011/12/penn_state_football_program_ra.html | title = Penn State football program ranks No. 1 in New America Foundation's Academic Bowl Championship Series | author = Angert, Alexander | work = [[The Patriot-News]] | date = December 7, 2011 | accessdate = December 7, 2011}}</ref> The team was ranked number one out of the top 25 ranked BCS teams in 2009 and 2011. The criteria in the rankings include the graduation rate of the team as compared to the rest of university, the difference between the graduation rate of African-American players and the rest of the squad as well as the same statistics for the rest of the students at Penn State, and the graduation rate differences between the African American players and students.<ref name="academics"/><br />
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===Officiating and instant replay===<br />
In 2002, the then 76 year-old Paterno chased down referee [[Dick Honig]] in a dead sprint following a 42–35 overtime home loss to Iowa. Paterno saw [[Tony Johnson (wide receiver)|Tony Johnson]] catch a pass for a first down with both feet in bounds on the stadium's video replay board, but the play was ruled an incompletion. This being after Penn State had rallied from a 35–13 deficit with 9 minutes left in the game to tie the score at 35, and were driving on their first possession in overtime (a touchdown would have tied the game at 42). Penn State failed on fourth down and Iowa held on for the win.<ref>{{cite news|first=Ray|last=Fittipaldo|url=http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/20021002psu1002p4.asp|title=Paterno says no apology needed|work=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|date=October 2, 2002|accessdate=2007-09-20}}</ref><br />
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Just weeks later, in the final minute of the Michigan game, the same wide receiver, Johnson, made a catch which would have given Penn State a first down and put them in range for a game winning field goal. Although Johnson was ruled out of bounds, replays clearly showed that Johnson had both feet in bounds and the catch should have been ruled complete.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2002/10/10-19-02cm/10-19-02dsports-15.asp|title=Coaches critical after botched calls|first=Jeff|last=Frantz|work=[[The Daily Collegian (Penn State)|The Daily Collegian]]|date=October 19, 2002|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref><br />
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In 2004, the [[Big Ten Conference]] became the first college football conference to adopt a form of [[instant replay]]. The previous two incidents, along with Paterno's public objections, and the Big Ten's [[Clockgate]] controversy, are often cited as catalysts for its adoption.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/2004-08-04-replay-details_x.htm|title=Big Ten reveals instant replay details |first=Michael|last=Pointer|work=USA Today|date=August 4, 2004|accessdate=2008-10-27}}</ref> Within the next year, almost all of the Division I-A conferences adopted a form of instant replay based on the Big Ten model.<ref>{{cite web|title=Instant Replay rundown for the 2005 season|url=http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/005566.php|publisher=fanblogs.com|date=August 29, 2005|accessdate=2006-12-26}}</ref><br />
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==Outside of football==<br />
===Philanthropy and education===<br />
[[File:Pattee Mall PSU.jpg|thumb|The East wing of the [[Pattee Library]] (center) is connected to the Paterno Library (to right, not seen) at Penn State University.]]<br />
In addition to his legacy as a coach, Paterno was highly regarded for his contributions to academic life at Penn State. After the announcement of his hiring in 1966, Paterno set out to conduct what he called a "Grand Experiment" in melding athletics and academics in the collegiate environment, an idea that he had learned during his years at Brown.<ref name="post-gazette">{{cite news|title=When we say JoePa YOU SAY . . . |url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04144/320670.stm|last=Fittipaldo|first=Ray|work=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|date=May 23, 2005|accessdate=2007-01-30}}</ref> As a result, Penn State's players have consistently demonstrated above-average academic success compared to [[Division I (NCAA)|Division I]]-A schools nationwide. According to the [[NCAA]]'s 2008 Graduation Rates Report, Penn State's four-year Graduation Success Rate of 78% easily exceeds the 67% [[Division I (NCAA)|Division I]] average, second to only [[Northwestern University|Northwestern]] among [[Big Ten Conference|Big Ten]] institutions.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/103008aaf.html|title=Penn State Football Student-Athletes Earn No. 2 Graduation Rate Among AP Top 25 Teams|publisher=Penn State Intercollegiate Athletics|date=October 30, 2008|accessdate=2008-10-31}}</ref><br />
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Paterno was also renowned for his charitable contributions to academics at Penn State. He and his wife Sue have contributed over $4 million towards various departments and colleges, including support for the Penn State All-Sports Museum, which opened in 2002, and the Pasquerilla Spiritual Center, which opened in 2003.<ref name="gopsu bio">{{cite web|url=http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/paterno_joe00.html|title=Joe Paterno|accessdate=2007-01-30|publisher=Penn State Intercollegiate Athletics}}</ref> After helping raise over $13.5 million in funds for the 1997 expansion of [[Pattee Library]], the University named the expansion [[Paterno Library]] in their honor.<ref name="library">{{cite web|url=http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/special_packages/150_years/10961935.htm|title=Paterno Library|work=150 Years: Penn State Sesquicentennial|work=[[Centre Daily Times]] |date=February 22, 2005|accessdate=2007-01-30}} {{Dead link|date=September 2010|bot=H3llBot}}</ref><br />
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In 2007, former player [[Franco Harris]] and his company R Super Foods honored Paterno for his contributions to Penn State by featuring his story and picture on boxes of Super Donuts and Super Buns in Central PA. A portion of the sales will be donated to an endowment fund for the university library that bears his name.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2007/01/26/business_headlines/17769870.txt|title=Franco Harris' bakery honors Paterno on boxes of doughnuts, buns|date=January 26, 2007|accessdate=2008-10-27|work=[[The Times-Tribune (Scranton)|The Times-Tribune]]}} {{Dead link|date=September 2010|bot=H3llBot}}</ref><br />
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Paterno also attended the annual [[Penn State Dance Marathon]], a popular weekend-long charity event and the largest student-run philanthropy in the world (it raised over $10 million in 2012), every year to raise money for kids with cancer.<br />
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===Political interests===<br />
[[File:Joe Paterno wishes good luck to opponent.jpg|thumb|right|Paterno wishes good luck to [[Florida International Univeristy|FIU]] Coach Mario Cristobal before winning 59&ndash;0 in September 2007.]]<br />
Paterno was a political [[American conservatism|conservative]] and a personal friend of former President [[George H. W. Bush]], endorsing the then-candidate in a speech at the [[1988 Republican National Convention]].<ref name="post-gazette" /> Paterno was also a close personal friend of President [[Gerald R. Ford]].<ref name="ford">{{cite web|url=http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/16371803.htm|title=Forward thinking: Paterno on board with players' great 2007 expectations|last=Fernandez|first=Bernard|publisher=Philadelphia Daily News|date=January 3, 2007|accessdate=2007-01-30}} {{Dead link|date=September 2010|bot=H3llBot}}</ref> In 2004, his son Scott Paterno, an attorney, won the Republican primary for [[Pennsylvania's 17th congressional district]] but lost in the November general election to Democratic incumbent [[Tim Holden]].<ref name="election">{{cite news|url=http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/PA/H/17/index.html|title=U.S. House of Representatives – Pennsylvania 17th|work=2004 Election Results|publisher=CNN|date=November 23, 2004|accessdate=2007-01-30}}</ref><br />
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"I brought my kids up to think for themselves since day one," Joe Paterno said in 2008. "I got a son who's a Republican, who ran for Congress, Scott. I'm a Republican. I've got a son, Jay, who's for Obama. I've got a daughter, who I'm pretty sure she's going to be for Hillary. So God bless America."<ref>{{cite news | url = http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2008/03/republican_joepas_son_backs_ob.html | title = Republican JoePa's son backs Obama | author = Pickel, Janet | date = March 29, 2008 | accessdate = December 8, 2010 | work = [[The Patriot-News]] }}</ref><br />
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===Personal life===<br />
While serving as an assistant coach, Paterno met freshman Suzanne Pohland,<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.thereporteronline.com/articles/2009/08/30/sports/professional/srv0000006260500.txt?viewmode=fullstory |title=Sue Paterno more than coach's wife |date=2009-08-30 |accessdate=2012-01-25 |author=Armas, Genaro C. |work=The Reporter}}</ref> an English literature honors student, at the campus library. Paterno and Pohland, a [[Latrobe, Pennsylvania|Latrobe]] native 13 years his junior, married in 1962, the year she graduated. They had five children: Diana, [[Jay Paterno|Joseph Jr. "Jay"]], Mary Kay, David, and Scott. All of their children are Penn State graduates, and Jay Paterno was the quarterbacks coach at Penn State until his departure following the hiring of new head coach [[Bill O'Brien (American football)|Bill O'Brien]] on January 7, 2012. The Paternos have seventeen grandchildren.<br />
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Paterno and his wife co-authored the children's book ''We Are Penn State!'',<ref>[http://www.amazon.com/Are-Penn-State-Joe-Paterno/dp/1932888497 ''We Are Penn State!'' by Joe and Sue Paterno. Mascot Books (August 1, 2007). ISBN 978-1-932888-49-2)]</ref> which takes place during a typical Penn State homecoming weekend.<br />
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==Failing health and death==<br />
[[File:Joe Paterno memorial vigil.jpg|thumb|right|Thousands of Penn State students and faculty came together to honor Paterno at a candlelight vigil at [[Old Main (Pennsylvania State University)|Old Main]] after his death, January 22, 2012]]<br />
In November 2006, Paterno was involved in a sideline collision during a game against [[Wisconsin Badgers football|Wisconsin]]. He was unable to avoid the play and was struck in the knee by Badgers linebacker [[DeAndre Levy]]'s helmet. Paterno, then 79 years old, suffered a fractured shin bone and damage to knee ligaments.<ref>{{cite news | url = http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06309/735849-143.stm | title = Paterno leaves field after taking hit | author = Fittipaldo, Ray | date = November 5, 2006 | accessdate = December 8, 2010 | work = [[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]}}</ref> He coached the [[2007 Outback Bowl]] from the [[press box]] before making a full recovery.<ref>{{cite news | url = http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2957594 | title = Paterno says he likes coaching from press box | date = August 1, 2007 | accessdate = January 2, 2011 |publisher= [[ESPN]]}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | url = http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/16418972/ | title= Penn State stifles Tennessee in Outback | date = January 1, 2007 | accessdate = January 2, 2011 |publisher= NBC Sports }}</ref><br />
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In November 2008, Paterno had successful [[hip replacement surgery]] after spraining his leg while trying to demonstrate onside kicks during a practice session.<ref>{{cite web | url = http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2008/11/joe_paterno_has_hip_replacemen.html | title = Paterno has hip replacement surgery | author = Flounders, Bob | date = November 23, 2008 | accessdate = December 9, 2010 | work = [[The Patriot-News]] }}</ref> While recovering, he coached the remainder of the season and the [[2009 Rose Bowl]] from the press box.<ref>{{cite news | url = http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/12/joe-paterno-wil.html | title = Joe Paterno will coach from press box during Rose Bowl | author = Knoll, Cornina | date = December 31, 2008 | accessdate = December 9, 2010 |work= Los Angeles Times}}</ref> After sustaining these injuries, he made use of a motorized golf cart to move around the field during practices.<br />
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Paterno was injured again in August 2011, after colliding with a player during practice. He sustained hairline fractures to his hip and shoulder. No surgery was required, but Paterno began the 2011 regular season schedule in a wheelchair.<br />
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In November 2011, Scott Paterno reported that his father had a treatable form of lung cancer.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57327897/joe-paterno-has-lung-cancer-son-says/ | title=Joe Paterno has lung cancer, son says |date=November 18, 2011}}</ref> On January 13, 2012, Paterno was hospitalized in State College for complications relating to his cancer treatment, and he remained there until his death nine days later on January 22, 2012.<ref>{{cite news|title=Legendary Penn State coach Paterno dead at 85|url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/22/us/pennsylvania-obit-paterno/index.html?hpt=hp_t1|date=January 22, 2012}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Joe Paterno, 85, dies in State College|url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7489238/joe-paterno-ex-penn-state-nittany-lions-coach-dies-85-2-month-cancer-fight|accessdate=January 22, 2012|publisher=ESPN|date=January 22, 2012 }}</ref> His death resulted in tributes from prominent leaders in the U.S., including former President [[George H. W. Bush]], who called Paterno "an outstanding American who was respected not only on the field of play but in life generally—and he was, without a doubt, a true icon in the world of sports."<ref name="statements">{{cite news|url=http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/01/22/statements-death-joe-paterno#ixzz1kFNsNoyu|title=Statements on the death of Joe Paterno|accessdate=2012-01-22|date=January 22, 2012|publisher=Fox News}}</ref> Pennsylvania Governor [[Tom Corbett]] said of Paterno, "His legacy as the winningest coach in major college football and his generosity to Penn State as an institution and to his players, stand as monuments to his life... His place in our state's history is secure."<ref name="statements"/><br />
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Paterno's funeral was held in State College on January 25, 2012.<ref>Erik Brady, [http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2012-01-25/joe-paterno-funeral-procession-penn-state/52791476/1 Thousands gather for Paterno funeral and procession], [[USA Today]] (January 25, 2012). Retrieved on July 12, 2012.</ref> About 750 mourners attended the private ceremony, after which thousands of mourners lined the route of the funeral procession.<ref>''Id.''</ref> Paterno was buried in Spring Creek Presbyterian Cemetery just outside of the town.<ref>Jan Murphy, [http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/joe_paternos_grave_site_is_dra.html Joe Paterno's grave site is drawing longtime fans back to State College to pay their respects], [[Patriot-News]] (February 9, 2012). Retrieved on July 12, 2012.</ref> Approximately 12,000 people attended a public memorial service that was held at the [[Bryce Jordan Center]] on January 26, 2012.<ref>Erik Brady, [http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2012-01-26/joe-paterno-memorial-service-goodbye-penn-state/52806840/1 Penn State pays tribute to Joe Paterno at memorial service], [[USA Today]] (January 26, 2012). Retrieved on July 12, 2012.</ref><ref>Ivan Maisel, [http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7507748/joe-paterno-memorial-brings-penn-state-nittany-lions-together Memorial brings Penn State together], ESPN.com (January 26, 2012). Retrieved on July 12, 2012.</ref><br />
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==Head coaching record==<br />
Paterno had a career record of 409 wins, 136 losses, and 3 ties.<ref>{{cite news|title=NCAA All-Divisions Coaching Records|url=http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2008/Pages%20383-404%20-%202008%20Coaching%20Records.pdf}}</ref> In his 46 seasons as a head coach, he had 38 winning seasons, one more than [[Bear Bryant]]. Based on the criteria used by the [[National Collegiate Athletic Association|NCAA]], Paterno holds the record for most victories by a Division I-A/FBS football coach, passing [[Eddie Robinson (Grambling football coach)|Eddie Robinson]]'s 408 victories on October 29, 2011, against Illinois.<ref>{{cite news|title=JoePa is back On Top |url=http://pennstate.scout.com/2/792754.html|first=Mark|last=Harrington|publisher=Fight On State|date= September 20, 2008|accessdate=2008-09-21}}</ref> On July, 23, 2012, the NCAA vacated all of Paterno's wins from 1998 through 2011 as part of its punishment for his role in the [[Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal]].<ref>{{cite news|title=NCAA fines PSU $60 million, vacates Paterno's wins from 1998-2011<br />
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| name = [[Penn State Nittany Lions football under Joe Paterno (as an Independent)|Penn State Nittany Lions]]<br />
| conf = [[NCAA Division I-FBS independent schools|Independent]]<br />
| startyear = 1966<br />
| endyear = 1992<br />
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{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1966 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1966 college football season|1966]] | overall = 5–5 }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1967 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 11 | ranking2 = 10<br />
| year = [[1967 college football season|1967]] | overall = 8–2–1<br />
| bowloutcome = T | bowlname = [[Gator Bowl|Gator]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1968 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 3 | ranking2 = 2<br />
| year = [[1968 college football season|1968]] | overall = 11–0<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1969 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 2 | ranking2 = 2<br />
| year = [[1969 college football season|1969]] | overall = 11–0<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1970 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 19 | ranking2 = 18<br />
| year = [[1970 college football season|1970]] | overall = 7–3 }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1971 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 11 | ranking2 = 5<br />
| year = [[1971 college football season|1971]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Cotton Bowl Classic|Cotton]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1972 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 8 | ranking2 = 10<br />
| year = [[1972 college football season|1972]] | overall = 10–2<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[1972 Sugar Bowl (December)|Sugar]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1973 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 5 | ranking2 = 5<br />
| year = [[1973 college football season|1973]] | overall = 12–0<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1974 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 7 | ranking2 = 7<br />
| year = [[1974 college football season|1974]] | overall = 10–2<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Cotton Bowl Classic|Cotton]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1975 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 10 | ranking2 = 10<br />
| year = [[1975 college football season|1975]] | overall = 9–3<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[1975 Sugar Bowl|Sugar Bowl]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1976 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1976 college football season|1976]] | overall = 7–5<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[1976 Gator Bowl|Gator]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1977 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 4 | ranking2 = 5<br />
| year = [[1977 college football season|1977]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Fiesta Bowl|Fiesta]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1978 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 4 | ranking2 = 4<br />
| year = [[1978 NCAA Division I-A football season|1978]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[1979 Sugar Bowl|Sugar]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1979 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 18 | ranking2 = 20<br />
| year = [[1979 NCAA Division I-A football season|1979]] | overall = 8–4<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1979 Liberty Bowl|Liberty]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1980 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 8 | ranking2 = 8<br />
| year = [[1980 NCAA Division I-A football season|1980]] | overall = 10–2<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Fiesta Bowl|Fiesta]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1981 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 3 | ranking2 = 3<br />
| year = [[1981 NCAA Division I-A football season|1981]] | overall = 10–2<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Fiesta Bowl|Fiesta]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1982 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 1 | ranking2 = 1<br />
| year = [[1982 NCAA Division I-A football season|1982]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1983 Sugar Bowl|Sugar]] | championship = national }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1983 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 17 | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1983 NCAA Division I-A football season|1983]] | overall = 8–4–1<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[Aloha Bowl|Aloha]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1984 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1984 NCAA Division I-A football season|1984]] | overall = 6–5 }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1985 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 3 | ranking2 = 3<br />
| year = [[1985 NCAA Division I-A football season|1985]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1986 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 1 | ranking2 = 1<br />
| year = [[1986 NCAA Division I-A football season|1986]] | overall =12–0<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1987 Fiesta Bowl|Fiesta]] | championship = national }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1987 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1987 NCAA Division I-A football season|1987]] | overall = 8–4<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Capital One Bowl|Citrus]] }}<br />
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| year = [[1988 NCAA Division I-A football season|1988]] | overall = 5–6 }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1989 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 14 | ranking2 = 15<br />
| year = [[1989 NCAA Division I-A football season|1989]] | overall = 8–3–1<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1989 Holiday Bowl|Holiday]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1990 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 10 | ranking2 = 11<br />
| year = [[1990 NCAA Division I-A football season|1990]] | overall = 9–3<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Champs Sports Bowl|Blockbuster]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1991 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 3 | ranking2 = 3<br />
| year = [[1991 NCAA Division I-A football season|1991]] | overall = 11–2<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1992 Fiesta Bowl|Fiesta]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1992 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | conference = | ranking = 24 | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[1992 NCAA Division I-A football season|1992]] | overall = 7–5<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Champs Sports Bowl|Blockbuster]] }}<br />
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| name = [[Penn State Nittany Lions football under Joe Paterno (in the Big Ten)|Penn State Nittany Lions]]<br />
| conf = [[Big Ten Conference]]<br />
| startyear = 1993<br />
| endyear = 2011<br />
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{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1993 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 7 | ranking2 = 8<br />
| year = [[1993 NCAA Division I-A football season|1993]] | overall = 10–2<br />
| conference = 6–2 | confstanding = 3rd<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1994 Florida Citrus Bowl|Citrus]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1994 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 2 | ranking2 = 2<br />
| year = [[1994 NCAA Division I-A football season|1994]] | overall = 12–0<br />
| conference = 8–0 | confstanding = 1st<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1995 Rose Bowl|Rose]] | championship = conference }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1995 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 12 | ranking2 = 13<br />
| year = [[1995 NCAA Division I-A football season|1995]] | overall = 9–3<br />
| conference = 5–3 | confstanding = T–3rd<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1996 Outback Bowl|Outback]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1996 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 7 | ranking2 = 7<br />
| year = [[1996 NCAA Division I-A football season|1996]] | overall = 11–2<br />
| conference = 6–2 | confstanding = T–3rd<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1997 Fiesta Bowl (January)|Fiesta]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1997 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 17 | ranking2 = 16<br />
| year = [[1997 NCAA Division I-A football season|1997]] | overall = 9–3<br />
| conference = 6–2 | confstanding = T–2nd<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Capital One Bowl|Citrus]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1998 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] | ranking = 15 | ranking2 = 17<br />
| year = [[1998 NCAA Division I-A football season|1998]]* | overall = 9–3<br />
| conference = 5–3 | confstanding = 5th<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1999 Outback Bowl|Outback]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[1999 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = 11 | ranking2 = 11<br />
| year = [[1999 NCAA Division I-A football season|1999]] | overall = 10–3<br />
| conference = 5–3 | confstanding = T–4th<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[1999 Alamo Bowl|Alamo]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2000 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2000 NCAA Division I-A football season|2000]] | overall = 5–7<br />
| conference = 4–4 | confstanding = T–6th }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2001 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2001 NCAA Division I-A football season|2001]] | overall = 5–6<br />
| conference = 4–4 | confstanding = T–4th }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2002 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = 15 | ranking2 = 16<br />
| year = [[2002 NCAA Division I-A football season|2002]] | overall = 9–4<br />
| conference = 5–3 | confstanding = 4th<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[Capital One Bowl|Capital One]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2003 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2003 NCAA Division I-A football season|2003]] | overall = 3–9<br />
| conference = 1–7 | confstanding = T–8th }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2004 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2004 NCAA Division I-A football season|2004]] | overall = 4–7<br />
| conference = 2–6 | confstanding = 9th }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2005 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = 3 | ranking2 = 3<br />
| year = [[2005 NCAA Division I-A football season|2005]] | overall = 11–1<br />
| conference = 7–1 | confstanding = T–1st<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[2006 Orange Bowl|Orange]] | bcsbowl = yes | championship = conference }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2006 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = 25 | ranking2 = 24<br />
| year = [[2006 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2006]] | overall = 9–4<br />
| conference = 5–3 | confstanding = T–4th<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[2007 Outback Bowl|Outback]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2007 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2007 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2007]] | overall = 9–4 | ranking = 25<br />
| conference = 4–4 | confstanding = T–5th<br />
| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[2007 Alamo Bowl|Alamo]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2008 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = 8 | ranking2 = 8<br />
| year = [[2008 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2008]] | overall = 11–2<br />
| conference = 7–1 | confstanding = T–1st<br />
| bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[2009 Rose Bowl|Rose]] | bcsbowl = yes | championship = conference }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2009 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = 8 | ranking2 = 9<br />
| year = [[2009 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2009]] | overall = 11–2<br />
| conference = 6–2 | confstanding = T–2nd| bowloutcome = W | bowlname = [[2010 Capital One Bowl|Capital One]] }}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2010 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2010 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2010]] | overall = 7–6<br />
| conference = 4–4 | confstanding = T–4th | bowloutcome = L | bowlname = [[2011 Outback Bowl|Outback]]}}<br />
{{CFB Yearly Record Entry | name = [[2011 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]]* | ranking = | ranking2 =<br />
| year = [[2011 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2011]] | overall = 8–1{{#tag:ref|Paterno coached the first nine games of the season before he was fired on November 9. [[Tom Bradley (American football)|Tom Bradley]] was named interim head coach to replace him.|group="n"|name=2011season}}<br />
| conference = 5–0<ref name=2011season group=n/> | confstanding = <small>(Leaders)</small><ref name=2011season group=n/> | bowloutcome = | bowlname = }}<br />
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| overall = 298–136–3*<br />
| confrecord = 31–54*<br />
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''*All wins from 1998 through 2011 were vacated by the NCAA as punishment for the [[Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal]]. The decision removed 111 wins and 64 conference wins from Paterno's total.<br />
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* [[List of College Football Hall of Fame inductees (coaches)]]<br />
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|name = Ice Cube <br />
|image = Ice Cube 2012.jpg<br />
|caption = Ice Cube Performs at Supafest 3 [[Sydney]], [[Australia]] 2012.<br />
|background = solo_singer<br />
|birth_name = O'Shea Jackson<br />
|Spouse= Kimberly Woodruff <br />
|alias = <br />
|birth_date = {{birth date and age|mf=yes|1969|6|15}}<br />
|birth_place =[[Los Angeles, California]]<ref name="Allmusic"/><!-- All references point to Cube's birthday as June 15. Do not change it unless you can provide a reference otherwise. --><br />
|origin = [[South Central Los Angeles]], California, U.S.<br />
|genre = [[Hip hop music|Hip hop]]<br />
|occupation = [[Rapping|Rapper]], [[actor]], [[record producer]], [[screenwriter]], [[film producer]], [[film director|director]]<br />
|years_active = 1984–present<!--Do NOT change it to 1986, because he has started since 84', don't forget about C.I.A.--><br />
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|Religion = [[islam]]<br />
|website = {{URL|icecube.com}}<br />
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'''O'Shea Jackson''' (born June 15, 1969), better known by his stage name '''Ice Cube''', is an American rapper, record producer, actor, screenwriter, film producer, and director. He began his career as a member of the [[C.I.A. (group)|C.I.A.]] and later joined the rap group [[N.W.A]]. After leaving N.W.A in December 1989<!-- Before changing the date, please see [[Talk:Ice Cube#Date of Cube's departure from N.W.A.]]. -->,<ref>[http://www.discogs.com/artist/N.W.A. N.W.A.]. Discogs.com</ref> he built a successful solo career in music, and also as a writer, director, actor and producer in cinema. Additionally, he has served as one of the producers of the [[Showtime (TV network)|Showtime]] television series ''[[Barbershop (TV series)|Barbershop]]'' and the [[TBS (TV channel)|TBS]] series ''[[Are We There Yet? (TV series)|Are We There Yet?]]'', both of which are based upon films in which he portrayed the lead character. <br />
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He was ranked #8 on [[MTV]]'s list of the 10 Greatest MCs of All Time, while [[Snoop Dogg]] himself ranked Ice Cube as the greatest MC of all time.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2006/emcees/index4.jhtml |title=The Greatest MCs Of All Time |publisher=MTV.com |date=2006-03-09 |accessdate=2012-04-11}}</ref> [[About.com]] ranked him #11 on its list of the "Top 50 Greatest MCs of Our Time."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees_8.htm |title=Top 50 MCs of Our Time: 1987 - 2007 - 50 Greatest Emcees of Our Time |publisher=Rap.about.com |date= |accessdate=2012-04-11}}</ref> [[Allmusic]] has called him one of hip-hop's best and most controversial artists,<ref>{{cite web|last=Thomas |first=Stephen |url=http://www.allmusic.com/artist/ice-cube-p48/biography |title=Ice Cube |publisher=AllMusic |date=1969-06-15 |accessdate=2012-04-11}}</ref> as well as "one of rap's greatest storytellers."<ref>{{cite web|last=Jeffries |first=David |url=http://www.allmusic.com/album/death-certificate-r27942/review |title=Death Certificate - Ice Cube |publisher=AllMusic |date=1991-10-31 |accessdate=2012-04-11}}</ref><br />
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==Early life==<br />
[[File:Ice Cube HS Yearbook.jpeg|thumb|left|Ice Cube as a senior in high school, 1987.]]<br />
Ice Cube was born on June 15, 1969 in [[Los Angeles]], in the [[South Central Los Angeles|South Central]] area, the son of Doris Jackson (née Benjamin), a hospital clerk and custodian, and Hosea Jackson, who worked as a groundskeeper at [[University of California, Los Angeles|UCLA]].<ref name="hiphop.sh">{{cite web|url=http://hiphop.sh/cube|title=Ice Cube|accessdate=August 9, 2007|date=|author=}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last=Nashawaty |first=Chris |url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,388411,00.html |title=They Call Him Mister Cube , News |work=Entertainment Weekly |date=November 15, 2002 |accessdate=June 1, 2010}}</ref> According to a 2005 interview with Teenink, O'Shea's half-sister was murdered by her boyfriend in a [[murder&ndash;suicide]] when he was 12 years old.<ref>[http://www.teenink.com/nonfiction/interviews/article/5368/Ice-Cube-Actor-Musician Ice Cube – Actor/Musician | Teen Interview]. Teen Ink. Retrieved on 2011-12-31.</ref> His cousin is Teren Delvon Jones, also known as [[Del tha Funkee Homosapien]], who is a part of the rap group [[Hieroglyphics (group)|Hieroglyphics]] and who has also worked with [[Gorillaz]]; and [[Kam (rapper)|Kam]] of rap group [[The Warzone (group)|The Warzone]].<ref name="Fresh Air">Ice Cube 01/10/2005 NPR [[Fresh Air]] Interview with [[Terry Gross]] http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4276517</ref> In his early teens, Ice Cube developed an interest in hip hop music, and began writing raps in [[Taft High School (Los Angeles)|Taft High School]]'s keyboarding class.<ref name="Fresh Air"/> He attended the Phoenix Institute of Technology in the fall of 1987, and studied architectural drafting.<ref name="BlackCollegian">{{cite news|url=http://www.black-collegian.com/issues/2ndsem04/icecube2004-2nd.shtml|title=Ice Cube: Building On His Vision|accessdate=December 8, 2011|month=February | year=2004|author=Jefferson, Jevaillier | work=Black Collegian}}</ref> With friend [[Sir Jinx]], Ice Cube formed the [[C.I.A. (group)|C.I.A.]], and they performed at parties hosted by [[Dr. Dre]]. Young Cube met Dr. Dre in 1984, who was nineteen at the time. Dre soon entered the recording industry involved with the [[World Class Wreckin' Cru]] recording records. Dre saw Cube's potential as a writer and had him helping Dre in writing Wreckin Cru's big L.A. hit track, "Cabbage Patch" as well as joining Cube on a side partnership the duo called Stereo Crew by which they produced a twelve-inch record, "She's a Skag" released on [[Epic Records]] in 1986.<ref>{{Cite news|last=Johson|first=Bill|title=Ice Cube Reminisces On His Very First Gig And Single|url=http://theurbandaily.com/music/first-things-first-music/billjohnson/ice-cube-reminisces-on-his-very-first-gig-and-single/|work=The Urban Daily |date=May 31, 2010|accessdate=February 21, 2011}}</ref><br />
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==Music career==<br />
===N.W.A===<br />
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In 1987, Ice Cube and Dr. Dre released the single ''[[My Posse]]'', under the alias CIA. After the collaboration, Ice Cube showed [[Eazy-E]] the lyrics to, "[[Boyz-n-the-Hood]]".<ref name="Allmusic">{{cite web|last=Erlewine|first=Stephen Thomas|authorlink=Stephen Thomas Erlewine|title=Ice Cube – Biography|url={{Allmusic|class=artist|id=p48/biography|pure_url=yes}}|publisher=Allmusic|year=2007|accessdate=February 13, 2008}}</ref> Eazy-E, although initially rejecting the lyrics, eventually recorded the song for ''[[N.W.A. and the Posse]]'', the debut album for the group [[N.W.A]] that included him, Dre, and other rappers [[MC Ren]] and [[DJ Yella]].<br />
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By this point Ice Cube was a full-time member of N.W.A along with Dr. Dre, and [[MC Ren]]. Ice Cube wrote Dr. Dre and Eazy-E's rhymes for the group's landmark album, ''[[Straight Outta Compton]]'', released in 1988. However, as 1990 approached, Ice Cube found himself at odds with the group's manager, [[Jerry Heller]], after rejecting Heller's proposed contract terms.<ref>''Ice Cube: Attitude'' (McIver, 2002) ISBN 1-86074-428-1</ref><br />
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Since Ice Cube wrote the lyrics to approximately half of both ''Straight Outta Compton'', and Eazy-E's solo album, ''[[Eazy-Duz-It]]'', he was advised of the amounts he was truly owed by Heller, and took legal action soon after leaving the group and the label. In response, the remaining N.W.A members attacked him on the EP ''[[100 Miles and Runnin']]'' and on their next and final album, ''[[Efil4zaggin]]'' (''Niggaz4life'' spelled backwards).<br />
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===Solo career===<br />
In late 1989, Ice Cube recorded his debut solo album, ''[[AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted]]'', in Los Angeles with [[the Bomb Squad]] ([[Public Enemy (band)|Public Enemy]]'s production team). It was released in May 1990 and was an instant hit, riding and contributing to the rising tide of rap's popularity in mainstream society. The album was charged with controversy, and he was accused of misogyny and racism. Subsequently, Ice Cube appointed the female rapper [[Yo-Yo (rapper)|Yo-Yo]] (who appeared on ''AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted'') to the head of his own record label and helped produce her debut album, ''Make Way for the Motherlode''. This was followed by a critically acclaimed role as 'Doughboy' in [[John Singleton]]'s hood-based drama, ''[[Boyz n the Hood]]''. In the same year as ''AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted'', Ice Cube released the acclaimed [[Extended Play|EP]], ''[[Kill At Will]]'' which sold well, becoming the first hip hop EP to go both [[Gold album|Gold]] and [[Platinum album|Platinum]].<ref name="Allmusic"/> <br />
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His second album ''[[Death Certificate (album)|Death Certificate]]'' was released in 1991. The album was regarded as more focused, yet even more controversial, and critics accused him again of being anti-white, misogynist, and antisemitic. The album is thematically divided into two sides: the 'Death Side' ("a vision of where we are today") and the 'Life Side' ("a vision of where we need to go"). It features "[[No Vaseline]]", a scathing response to N.W.A's attacks and "Black Korea," a track regarded by some as prophetic of the [[1992 Los Angeles riots]], but also interpreted as racist by many.<ref name="Allmusic"/> Ice Cube toured with [[Lollapalooza]] in 1992, which widened his fan base.<ref name="Guardian"/><br />
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Ice Cube released his third album, ''[[The Predator]]'', in November 1992. Referring specifically to that year's Los Angeles riots, in the first single, "[[Wicked (song)|Wicked]]", he rapped "April 29 was power to the people, and we might just see a sequel". ''The Predator'' debuted at number one on both the pop and R&B charts, the first album in history to do so. Singles from ''The Predator'' included "[[It Was a Good Day]]" and the "[[Check Yo Self]]" remix, and the songs had a two-part music video. The album remains his most successful release, with over three million copies sold in the US. However, after ''The Predator'', Ice Cube's rap audience diminished. Cube's fourth album ''[[Lethal Injection (album)|Lethal Injection]]'' which was released in the end of 1993 and represented Ice Cube's first attempt at imitating the [[G-Funk]] sound of Dr. Dre's ''[[The Chronic]]'', was not well received by critics. He had more successful hits from ''Lethal Injection'', including "[[Really Doe (song)|Really Doe]]", "[[Bop Gun (One Nation)]]", "[[You Know How We Do It]]" & "What Can I Do?". After 1994, he took a hiatus from music and concentrated on film work and developing the careers of other rap musicians, [[Mack 10]], [[Mr. Short Khop]], [[Kausion]], and [[Da Lench Mob]].<ref name="Allmusic"/><br />
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In 1994, Ice Cube had reunited with former N.W.A member [[Dr. Dre]], who was now part of [[Death Row Records]], in their duet "Natural Born Killaz".<ref name="Allmusic"/> In 1998, he released his long-awaited fifth solo album, ''[[War & Peace Vol. 1 (The War Disc)]]''. The delayed sixth album ''[[War & Peace - Volume 2 (The Peace Disc)|Volume 2]]'', was released in 2000. The albums featured appearances from [[Westside Connection]] as well as a reunion with fellow N.W.A members, Dr. Dre and MC Ren, though many fans maintained that the two albums were not on par with his past work, especially the second volume.<ref>{{cite web|last=Birchmeier|first=Jason|title="War & Peace, Vol. 2 (The Peace Disc)" – Overview|url={{Allmusic|class=album|id=r465652|pure_url=yes}}|publisher=Allmusic|accessdate=February 13, 2008}}</ref> In 2001, Ice Cube also joined Dr. Dre, [[Eminem]] & [[Snoop Dogg]] on the [[Up In Smoke Tour]].<ref>{{Cite news|last=Pareles|first=Jon|title=Four Hours of Swagger from Dr. Dre and Friends|url=http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C07E2DE123BF934A25754C0A9669C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all|work=The New York Times |date=July 17, 2000|accessdate=February 13, 2008}}</ref><br />
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In 2006, Ice Cube released his seventh solo album, ''[[Laugh Now, Cry Later]]'', on his [[Lench Mob Records]] label, debuting at number four on the [[Billboard Charts]] and selling 144,000 units in the first week.<ref>{{cite web|title=Ice Cube – Billboard Albums|url={{Allmusic|class=artist|id=p48/charts-awards|pure_url=yes}}|publisher=Allmusic|year=2007|accessdate=February 13, 2008}}</ref> The album featured production from [[Lil Jon]] and [[Scott Storch]], who produced the lead single "[[Why We Thugs]]". He released his eighth studio album, [[Raw Footage]], on August 19, 2008, featuring the controversial single "[[Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It]]".<br />
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On October 12, 2009, he released a non-album track called 'Raider Nation' in tribute to the Oakland Raiders.<ref>{{cite web|author=by jennie(ctrl) |url=http://icecube.com/news/5743/ |title=Raider Nation! |publisher=Ice Cube |date= |accessdate=June 1, 2010}}</ref><br />
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On May 11, 2010, Ice Cube released a [[30 for 30]] documentary, "Straight Outta L.A.", for [[ESPN]] on the relationship between the gangster rap scene in Los Angeles and the tenure of the [[Oakland Raiders|Raiders]] there.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2009/11/12/ice-cube-%e2%80%9craiders-fans-were-gangster%e2%80%99s-way-before-we-came-into-the-picture%e2%80%9d/ |title=Blog Archive » Ice Cube: “Raiders fans were gangster’s way before we came into the picture” |publisher=Sports Radio Interviews |date=November 12, 2009 |accessdate=June 1, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://30for30.espn.com/film/straight-outta-la.html |title=ESPN 30 for 30 |publisher=ESPN |date=June 17, 1994 |accessdate=June 1, 2010}}</ref> He has been voted as eighth of MTV's "greatest emcees of all time."<ref name="eighth">[http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2006/emcees/index4.jhtml "Ice Cube: Rank 8"], MTV.com. Accessed February 4, 2011.</ref><br />
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On September 28, 2010, Cube released his ninth solo album, ''[[I Am the West]]''. The album featured the single "I Rep That West". It debuted at #22 on the Billboard 200 and sold 22,000 copies in its first week.<br />
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===Westside Connection===<br />
In 1996, Ice Cube formed [[Westside Connection]] with [[Mack 10]] and [[WC (rapper)|WC]], and together they released an album called ''[[Bow Down]]''. Most of the album was used to engage in the [[East Coast-West Coast hip hop rivalry]] of the 90s. The album's eponymous single reached number 21 on the singles charts, and the album itself was certified [[RIAA Certification|Platinum]] by the end of 1996. With ''Bow Down'', Westside Connection brought their own agenda to the hip hop scene. Ice Cube, Mack 10 and WC had grown tired of being overlooked by most East Coast media outlets; the album was designed to instil a sense of pride in West Coast rap fans and to start a larger movement that some people who felt underappreciated might identify with. Songs like "Bow Down" and "Gangstas Make the World Go 'Round" make reference to this. Ice Cube would also eventually make amends with [[Eazy-E]] shortly before the latter's death in 1995.<br />
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After a seven-year hiatus, Westside Connection returned with their second effort ''[[Terrorist Threats]]'' in 2003. The album fared well critically, but its commercial reception was less than that of ''Bow Down''. "Gangsta Nation" was the only single released from the album, which was produced by [[Fredwreck]] and featured [[Nate Dogg]]; it was a radio hit. After a rift between Ice Cube and Mack 10 about Ice Cube's commitments to film work rather than touring with the group, Westside Connection disbanded. WC, did release a new solo album on Lench Mob Records entitled ''[[Guilty by Affiliation]]'' on August 14, 2007.{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}<br />
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===Collaborations===<br />
In 1992, Ice Cube assisted on debut albums from [[Del the Funkee Homosapien]] (''[[I Wish My Brother George Was Here]]''), [[Da Lench Mob]] (''[[Guerillas in tha Mist]]'', 1992) and [[Kam (rapper)|Kam]] (''Neva Again'', 1993), all of which enjoyed critical acclaim and some moderate commercial success. He handled most of the production on ''Guerillas in tha Mist''.<br />
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In 1993, Lench Mob member, J-Dee, was sentenced to life imprisonment for attempted murder, and Ice Cube did not produce their next album, ''Planet of tha Apes''. Around this time in 1993, he also worked with [[Tupac Shakur]] on his album ''[[Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.]],'' appearing on the track "Last Wordz" with [[Ice-T]]. He also did a song with Dr. Dre for the first time since he left N.W.A: "[[Natural Born Killaz]]", for the ''[[Murder Was The Case]]'' soundtrack, and also contributed to the ''[[Office Space]]'' [[Office Space soundtrack|soundtrack]]. He also featured on Kool G Rap's song "Two To The Head" from the Kool G Rap & DJ Polo album "Live And Let Die". He also collaborated with [[David Bowie]] and [[Trent Reznor]] from [[Nine Inch Nails]] for a remix of Bowie's "[[I'm Afraid of Americans]]". Ice Cube appeared on the song "[[Children of the Korn]]" by the band [[Korn]], as well as assisting in recording a Korn cover of Wicked, and lent his voice to British DJ [[Paul Oakenfold]]'s solo debut album, ''[[Bunkka]]'', on the track "Get Em Up". Ice Cube appeared in several songs in [[WC (rapper)|WC]] [[Guilty by Affiliation]] like "Keep it 100", "80's babies" and "Jack and the bean stalk". Ice Cube also appeared in [[D.A.Z.]] in the song "Iz You Ready to die" and in [[DJ Quik]] in the song "Boogie Till You Conk Out" in 2011.<br />
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===2004–present===<br />
[[File:Ice cube c.jpg|thumb|right|Ice Cube performing live in Metro City Concert Club on October 29, 2010.]]<br />
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In late 2005, Ice Cube and [[R. J. Cutler]] teamed up to create the six-part documentary series titled ''[[Black. White.]]'', which was broadcast on cable network [[FX (TV channel)|FX]]. In May 2006 Ice Cube complained that [[Oprah Winfrey]] would not welcome him and other rappers on her show.<ref>{{Cite news|title=Ice Cube: Oprah has 'a problem with hip-hop'|url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12991185/|publisher=MSNBC|agency=Associated Press|date=May 26, 2006|accessdate=May 18, 2008}}</ref> Ice Cube's other movie projects include ''Teacher of the Year'', released in 2007,<ref name="autogenerated1">http://movies.msn.com/celebs/celeb.aspx?c=59868, Retrieved on 2008/06/13.</ref> and ''The Extractors'', released in 2008.<br />
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He has signed on to star in and produce ''[[Welcome Back, Kotter]]'', a big-screen adaptation of the 1970s television series.<ref>[http://www.pr-inside.com/ice-cube-cautious-about-welcoming-back-kotter-r7477.htm Ice Cube cautious about welcoming back Kotter], Pr-inside.com; accessed October 8, 2010.</ref> Ice Cube will play the title character, originally portrayed by [[Gabe Kaplan]] and his film company, Cube Vision Productions, has sealed a deal with [[Dimension Films]] to bring the show to the big screen.<br />
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In a London interview he revealed he is in talks of a collaboration with [[Gorillaz]] after speaking to frontman [[Damon Albarn]].<ref>{{cite web|author=Friday, July 21, 2006, 10:48 BST |url=http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds35077.html |title=Music – News – Gorillaz and Ice Cube to collaborate? |publisher=Digital Spy |date=July 21, 2006 |accessdate=October 8, 2010}}</ref><br />
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In October 2006, [[Xzibit]], [[Lil Jon]] and WC from the Westside Connection honoured Ice Cube at VH1's Annual Hip Hop Honors, performing some classic Ice Cube tracks, and Ice Cube also performed "Why We Thugs" and "Go To Church" from his album ''Laugh Now, Cry Later'', where the New York crowd were greeted with Cube's vintage Cali sound. After launching that comeback album, Ice Cube toured across the world to promote it. The tour is known as "Straight Outta Compton Tour", and accompanying him is his friend and fellow rapper WC from the Westside Connection. Some places he has recently performed include the Paradiso in [[Amsterdam]] and various venues in England. After touring the U.S. and Europe, he performed all around Australia, from Sydney's [[Enmore Theatre]] to The Forum Arena in Melbourne, before heading to Japan.<br />
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Ice Cube collaborated with [[Tech N9ne]] on the song "Blackboy" that appears on Tech N9ne's July 2008 album ''[[Killer (Tech N9ne album)|Killer]]''. The eighth Ice Cube studio LP, titled ''[[Raw Footage]]'', was released on August 19, 2008, and featured the singles [[Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It]] and [[Do Ya Thang]]. Ice Cube appeared on a song by rapper [[The Game (rapper)|The Game]] titled "State of Emergency" off The Game's Album, [[LAX (album)|L.A.X.]] In 2009, Ice Cube performed at the [[Gathering of the Juggalos]], and will return to perform at the 2011 festival.<ref>{{youtube|5gKE67L97SA|2011 Gathering Of The Juggalos Infomercial}}</ref><br />
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Despite rumors of conflicts with other rappers in 2010, Ice Cube stated in an interview with [[DJ Whoo Kid]] on Sirius Shade 45 that he has "no beef."<ref>{{cite web|author=[[DJ Whoo Kid]]|url=http://www.radioplanet.tv/ice-cube-shade-45-interview|title=Ice Cube New Friday?! Beef With Who?! Mike Epps On-Set Smoke Out?! Lottery Ticket Fun! VIDEO!|work=RadioPlanet.tv|date=August 22, 2010}}</ref><br />
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Ice Cube's ninth studio album [[I Am the West]] was released on September 28, 2010. Ice Cube has stated this album has a different direction than any one of his other albums. He received beats from West coast veteran producers such as [[DJ Quik]], [[Dr. Dre]], [[E-A-Ski]], and [[Sir Jinx]], not having worked on a solo album with the latter in nearly 20 years. The album was released independently under his label [[Lench Mob Records|Lench Mob]]. Ice Cube has stated that "being independent is beautiful because we can do things 'out the box' that record companies would usually frown at. Instead of working from a ready-made cookie-cutter marketing plan, we can tailor make a marketing plan specifically for me."<br />
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In November 2011, Ice Cube stated via Twitter that he was 7 songs into the current album he's recording. He also stated he "always got an album coming out" which suggests that he isn't thinking of rap retirement to focus on acting in the near future.<ref>https://twitter.com/#!/icecube/status/138576007253852161</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/#!/icecube/status/137728181833699329</ref><br />
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In 2012, Ice Cube recorded a verse for a remix of the [[Insane Clown Posse]] song "Chris Benoit", from ICP's ''[[The Mighty Death Pop!]]'' album, appearing on the album ''[[Mike E. Clark's Extra Pop Emporium]]''.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120517/ENT09/205170387 |title=Grapevine: ICP, Ice Cube team up on new album &#124; The Detroit News |publisher=detroitnews.com |date=2012-05-17 |accessdate=2012-05-27}}</ref><br />
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==Other ventures==<br />
===Film and television career===<br />
Following his role as 'Doughboy' in ''[[Boyz n the Hood]]'', in 1992 he starred alongside Ice-T, and [[Bill Paxton]] in [[Walter Hill (filmmaker)|Walter Hill]]'s action film, ''[[Trespass (1992 film)|Trespass]]'', and then in ''[[The Glass Shield]]''.<br />
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Ice Cube was offered a co-star role with [[Janet Jackson]] in the 1993 romantic film ''[[Poetic Justice (film)|Poetic Justice]]'', but he refused to play the role, which was given to [[Tupac Shakur]] instead.<br />
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John Singleton had encouraged Ice Cube to try his hand at screenwriting, telling him, "If you can write a record, you can write a movie."<ref>{{cite web|title=Ice Cube – Brief Article|url=http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-60041449.html|work=[[Jet (magazine)|Jet]]|date=February 28, 2000|accessdate=February 13, 2008}}</ref> With this encouragement, Ice Cube wrote the screenplay for what became the 1995 comedy ''[[Friday (1995 film)|Friday]]'', in which he also starred, alongside then up-and-coming comedian [[Chris Tucker]]. ''Friday'' earned $28&nbsp;million worldwide on a $3.5&nbsp;million budget, and spawned two sequels, ''[[Next Friday]]'' and ''[[Friday After Next]]''. (On March 9, 2011 he announced that he was making the final sequel called Last Friday). That year, he also starred in his second collaboration with John Singleton, ''[[Higher Learning]]'', as world-weary university student "Fudge"; a role for which he earned award nominations.<br />
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In 1997, Ice Cube starred in the action thriller [[Dangerous Ground]] as a South African exiled to America who returns 15 years later. He also had a supporting role in the film ''[[Anaconda (film)|Anaconda]]'' that same year. He wrote, executive produced, and made his directorial debut in ''[[The Players Club]]'' in 1998, and in 1999 starred alongside [[George Clooney]] and [[Mark Wahlberg]] in the critically acclaimed ''[[Three Kings (1999 film)|Three Kings]]''. In 2000, he wrote and appeared in the ''Friday'' sequel ''[[Next Friday]]''. In 2002, Ice Cube starred in the commercially successful movie ''[[Barbershop (film)|Barbershop]]'', as well as ''[[All About the Benjamins]]'' and the third film in the ''Friday'' trilogy, ''[[Friday after Next]]'' (which he again wrote). In 2004, he appeared in ''[[Barbershop 2: Back in Business]]'', and ''[[Torque (film)|Torque]]''; in 2005 he starred in the action movie ''[[XXX: State of the Union]]'', as well as the comedies ''[[Are We There Yet?]]'' and ''[[Are We Done Yet?]]'', co-starring [[Nia Long]].<br />
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In early April 2007, Ice Cube was a guest on Angie Martinez' Hot97 radio show and stated that he was interested in bringing back Chris Tucker as Smokey in a possible ''Friday'' sequel, but that was only possible "if New Line cuts the cheque."<ref name="HOT97">[http://media.hot97.com/_SHARED/podcasts/angie_icecube_040507.mp3 Ice Cube on Hot 97 Podcast]{{dead link|date=October 2010}}</ref> In an interview with BlackFilm.com, Ice Cube stated that he would be interested in involving all major characters from the ''Friday'' franchise in a possible sequel, but added "I know I'm not going to get Chris [Tucker] back, but I'd love to get everybody else back."<ref name="BLACKFILM">{{cite web|url=http://www.blackfilm.com/20050121/features/icecube.shtml |title=Are We There Yet?: An Interview with Ice Cube |publisher=Blackfilm.com |date= |accessdate=October 8, 2010}}</ref> As of December 2011, Chris Tucker has agreed to be in "Last Friday".<br />
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''[[In the Movies]]'' is a compilation album of Ice Cube songs that have appeared in movie soundtracks, which was released on September 4, 2007.<ref>Jeffries, David. [{{Allmusic|class=album|id=r1188999|pure_url=yes}} "In the Movies" – Overview]. [[Allmusic]]. Retrieved September 7, 2007.</ref><br />
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Ice Cube and basketball star [[LeBron James]] have paired up to pitch a one-hour special to [[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]] based on James's life.<ref>[http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2008-12-20-2087730884_x.htm James Pitches ABC on TV Drama Based on His Life] USA Today, December 20, 2008</ref> Ice Cube's ''Are We There Yet'' television series premiered on [[TBS (TV channel)|TBS]] on June 2, 2010. Based on the [[Are We There Yet?|2005 feature film of the same name]], the show revolves around a family adjusting to the matriarch's new husband ([[Terry Crews]]) and trying to deal with normal family situations. On August 16, 2010, ''Are We There Yet?'' was renewed for 90 additional episodes.<ref>[http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/08/16/are-we-there-yet-renewed-by-tbs-for-90-more-episodes/60023 ‘Are We There Yet‘ Renewed by TBS for 90 More Episodes] August 16, 2010 – tvbythenumbers</ref> In an August 2010 interview with UrbLife.com, Ice Cube expressed excitement about the show being picked up for the run, which will pan out to around six seasons. He also credits [[Tyler Perry]] for opening the door for him at TBS.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.urblife.com/the-fame/ice-cube-talks-film-and-tv-success|title=Ice Cube’s Life Story?! Talks Tyler Perry, Woody Harrelson, TV Success and More!|work=UrbLife.com|date=August 16, 2010}}</ref><br />
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===Clothing line===<br />
Ice Cube has licenced a clothing line, Solo by Cube, which features hooded sweatshirts with built-in headphones in the hood strings.<br />
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==Personal life==<br />
Ice Cube is a big fan of the [[Oakland Raiders]].<br />
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===Family===<br />
He married Kimberly Woodruff in 1992, with whom he has four children (three boys, 1 girl) – O'Shea Jr., Darrel, Shareef and Kareema.<ref name="Guardian">{{Cite news|url= http://film.guardian.co.uk/Feature_Story/feature_story/0,4120,140252,00.html|title= Chillin' with Cube|accessdate=June 14, 2007|date=February 25, 2000|work=The Guardian |location=UK }}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Ice Cube – Biography|url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001084/bio|publisher=[[IMDB]]|accessdate=February 13, 2008}}</ref> <br />
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A father of four, Ice Cube was asked by [[Fresh Air]]'s [[Terry Gross]] to provide some perspective on the relationship between his work and his family. When asked whether or not he allowed his children to listen to his music, he responded: "What's worked for me is instilling in my kids a level of self-respect," helping them to understand the content of not just music but the violence found on the evening news. When asked what he tells his children about [[profanity]], he recalled telling his kids that there are "appropriate times to use any kind of language.... Adults should never hear you use these words. If you want to use these words around your friends, that's really on you."<ref name="Fresh Air" /> Two of Ice Cube's sons are also rappers under the names, OMG (OhMy Goodness) and Doughboy. They were featured on his album, [[I Am the West]].<br />
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Jackson is also the cousin of rapper [[Del the Funky Homosapien]] who started his career writing for Jackson's Group [[Da Lench Mob]]. With Cube's help Del released his debut album [[I Wish My Brother George Was Here]] when he was only 18.<br />
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===Religion===<br />
In an interview with British newspaper ''[[The Guardian]]'', Ice Cube stated that he is a Muslim, having converted sometime in the 1990s. He described his Muslim faith as a simple, personal one that does not involve attending prayer services or following rituals. Although he has spoken favorably of the [[Nation of Islam]], he denied ever being in the organization.<ref name="CubeMuslim">{{Cite news|url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2000/feb/25/icecube|title=Ice Cube on Islam|publisher=(www.)guardian(.co.uk)|accessdate=November 15, 2008 | location=London | date=February 25, 2000}}</ref><br />
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==Discography==<br />
{{Main|Ice Cube discography}}<br />
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; Studio albums<br />
* 1990: ''[[AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted]]''<br />
* 1991: ''[[Death Certificate (album)|Death Certificate]]''<br />
* 1992: ''[[The Predator]]''<br />
* 1993: ''[[Lethal Injection (album)|Lethal Injection]]''<br />
* 1998: ''[[War & Peace Vol. 1 (The War Disc)]]''<br />
* 2000: ''[[War & Peace Vol. 2 (The Peace Disc)]]''<br />
* 2006: ''[[Laugh Now, Cry Later]]''<br />
* 2008: ''[[Raw Footage]]''<br />
* 2010: ''[[I Am the West]]''<br />
* 2012: ''[[Everything's Corrupt]]''<br />
; Extended Plays<br />
* 1990: ''[[Kill at Will]]''<br />
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; with [[N.W.A]]<br />
* 1987 [[N.W.A. and the Posse]]<br />
* 1988 [[Straight Outta Compton]]<br />
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; with [[Westside Connection]]<br />
* 1996 [[Bow Down]]<br />
* 2003 [[Terrorist Threats]]<br />
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==Filmography==<br />
===As an actor===<br />
====Films====<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|- style="background:#b0c4de; text-align:center;"<br />
! Title || Year || Role || Other notes<br />
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| ''[[Boyz n the Hood]]'' || 1991 || Darin "Doughboy" Baker || Main Role<br />
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| ''[[Trespass (1992 film)|Trespass]]'' || 1992 || Savon || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[CB4]]'' || 1993 || himself || Cameo<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[The Glass Shield]]'' || 1994 || Teddy Woods || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Higher Learning]]'' || 1995 || Fudge || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Friday (1995 film)|Friday]]'' || 1995 || Craig Jones || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Dangerous Ground]]'' || 1997 || Vusi Madlazi || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Anaconda (film)|Anaconda]]'' || 1997 || Danny Rich || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[The Players Club]]'' || 1998 || Reggie || Minor Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[I Got The Hook Up]]'' || 1998 || Gun Runner || Minor Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Three Kings (1999 film)|Three Kings]]'' || 1999 || SSgt. Chief Elgin || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Thicker Than Water (1999 film)|Thicker Than Water]]'' || 1999 || Slink || Supporting Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Next Friday]]'' || 2000 || Craig Jones || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Ghosts of Mars]]'' || 2001 || James 'Desolation' Williams || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[All About The Benjamins]]'' || 2002 || Detective Bucum || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[BarberShop (film)|BarberShop]]'' || 2002 || Calvin Palmer || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Friday After Next]]'' || 2002 || Craig Jones || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Torque (film)|Torque]]'' || 2004 || Trey || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[BarberShop 2: Back in Business]]'' || 2004 || Calvin Palmer || Main Role<br />
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| ''[[Are We There Yet?]]'' || 2005 || Nick Persons || Main Role<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[XXX: State of the Union]]'' || 2005 || Darius Stone || Main Role<br />
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| ''[[Are We Done Yet?]]'' || 2007 || Nick Persons ||<!-- DO NOT CHANGE THIS! The 2007 sequel was called "Are We Done Yet". The original in 2005 was "Are We There Yet". --> Main Role<ref>[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0422774/ Sequel to 2005's "Are We There Yet?]</ref><br />
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| ''[[First Sunday]]'' || 2008 || Durell || Main Role<br />
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| ''[[The Longshots]]'' || 2008 || Curtis Plummer || Main Role<br />
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| ''[[Janky Promoters]]'' || 2009 || Russell Redds || Main Role<br />
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| ''[[Lottery Ticket (film)|Lottery Ticket]]'' || 2010 || Jerome "Thump" Washington || Supporting Role<br />
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| ''[[Rampart (film)|Rampart]]'' || 2011 || Kyle Timkins || Supporting Role<br />
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| ''[[21 Jump Street (film)|21 Jump Street]]'' || 2012 || Capt. Dickson ||Supporting Role<br />
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| ''Last Friday || 2012 || Craig Jones ||Main Role<br />
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| ''21 Jump Street 2'' || 2014 || Capt. Dickson ||Supporting Role<br />
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| ''21 Jump Street 3'' || 2016 || Capt. Dickson ||Supporting Role<br />
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| ''21 Jump Street 4 || 2018 || Capt. Dickson ||Supporting Role<br />
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====Television====<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|- style="background:#b0c4de; text-align:center;"<br />
! Title || Year || Role || Other notes<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Are We There Yet? (TV series)|Are We There Yet?]]'' TV series || 2010–present || [[List of Are We There Yet? characters#Terrence Kingston|Terrence Kingston]] || Recurring Role<br />
|}<br />
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====Video games====<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|- style="background:#b0c4de; text-align:center;"<br />
! Title || Year || Role || Other notes<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] || 2010 || Chief Petty Officer Bowman/[[Military Assistance Command, Vietnam – Studies and Observations Group|SOG]] multiplayer announcer || Voice actor<br />
|}<br />
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===As director/writer/producer===<br />
* ''[[Friday (1995 film)|Friday]]'' (1995) writer, executive producer<br />
* ''[[Dangerous Ground]]'' (1997) executive producer<br />
* ''[[The Players Club]]'' (1998) writer, director, executive producer<br />
* ''[[Next Friday]]'' (2000) writer, producer<br />
* ''[[All About The Benjamins]]'' (2002) writer, producer<br />
* ''[[Friday After Next]]'' (2002) writer, producer<br />
* ''[[BarberShop 2: Back in Business]]'' (2004) executive producer<br />
* ''[[BarberShop: The Series]]'' (2005) executive producer<br />
* ''[[Are We There Yet?]]'' (2005) producer<br />
* ''[[Beauty Shop]]'' (2005) executive producer<br />
* ''[[Black. White.]]'' (2006) executive producer<br />
* ''[[Are We Done Yet?]]'' (2007) producer<br />
* ''[[Friday: The Animated Series]]'' (2007) executive producer<br />
* ''Pirate Island'' (2008) producer<br />
* ''[[The Longshots]]'' (2008) producer<br />
* ''[[First Sunday]]'' (2008) producer<br />
* ''[[30 for 30|Straight Outta L.A.]]'' (2010) director<br />
* ''[[Are We There Yet? (TV series)|Are We There Yet?]]'' ('''TV series''') (2010) executive producer<br />
* ''[[Last Friday (1995 film)|Last Friday]]'' (2012) writer, executive producer<br />
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== Awards ==<br />
=== Film award history ===<br />
Ice Cube has received nominations for several films in the past. To date, he has won two awards:<br />
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*2000: Blockbuster Entertainment Award: Favorite Action Team (for ''[[Three Kings (1999 film)|Three Kings]]'')<br />
*2002: MECCA Movie Award: Acting Award<br />
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===Music awards===<br />
* '''VH1 Hip Hop Honors''' 2006<br />
** 2006 Honoree [[Snoop Dogg]]<br />
* '''BET Hip-Hop Awards''' 2009<br />
** I Am Hip-Hop Award 2014<br />
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==References==<br />
{{Reflist|30em}}<br />
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==External links==<br />
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* {{Official website|http://www.icecube.com}}<br />
* {{Allmusic|class=artist|id=p48|label=Ice Cube}}<br />
* {{IMDb name|1084}}<br />
* {{myspace|icecube}}<br />
* [http://hiphop.sh/cube Ice Cube Bio]<br />
* [http://blogs.amctv.com/future-of-classic/2009/06/rappers-turned-actors.php Ice Cube: The Ten Greatest Rapper/Actors]<br />
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{{Infobox film<br />
| name = Road Trip<br />
| image = Road_Trip_movie.jpg<br />
| caption = Theatrical release poster<br />
| director = [[Todd Phillips]]<br />
| producer = [[Daniel Goldberg (producer)|Daniel Goldberg]] <br />[[Sheldon Kahn]] <br/>[[Joe Medjuck]] <br />[[Ivan Reitman]]<br />
| writer = Todd Phillips <br />[[Scot Armstrong]]<br />
| starring = [[Breckin Meyer]] <br />[[Seann William Scott]] <br />[[Amy Smart]] <br />[[Paulo Costanzo]] <br />[[DJ Qualls]] <br />[[Tom Green]] <br />[[Rachel Blanchard]] <br />[[Anthony Rapp]] <br />[[Fred Ward]] <br />[[Andy Dick]]<br />
| music = Michael Simpson<br />
| cinematography = [[Mark Irwin]]<br />
| editing = Sheldon Kahn <br />[[Peter Teschner]]<br />
| distributor = [[DreamWorks]]<br />
| released = {{Start date|2000|05|19}}<br />
| runtime = 93 minutes<br />
| country = {{Film US}}<br />
| language = English<br />
| budget = $16 million<br />
| gross = $119,754,278<ref>http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=roadtrip.htm</ref><br />
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'''''Road Trip''''' is a 2000 American [[comedy film]] written by [[Todd Phillips]] and [[Scot Armstrong]] and directed by Todd Phillips.<br />
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==Plot ==<br />
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Josh ([[Breckin Meyer]]) and Tiffany ([[Rachel Blanchard]]) were long time friends but soon high school sweethearts. But they both had to face a long distance relationship when Josh enrolls to University of Ithaca and Tiffany enrolls to the University of Austin. But they made a promise to be true to each other and call each other every day. But when Tiffany doesn't call Josh, nor answering Josh's calls, Josh is worrying that Tiffany is seeing another man (actually, her maternal grandfather died). But to show that he is still in love with her, he makes a daily recorded video blog to her. During Josh's last blog, his friends Rubin Carver ([[Paulo Costanzo]]) and Barry Manilow ([[Tom Green]]) barge into the video. Barry then keeps checking on Rubin's snake, Mitch, urging Rubin to over-feed Mitch. Josh tells Rubin to mail in his blog tape to Tiffany before leaving to class.<br />
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During Josh's class time, Josh is flunking [[Ancient Philosophy]] class and needs a B+ on his mid-term to pass the semester. But Josh knows that he will flunk anyway. Still worrying about Tiffany, Josh's friend E.L. ([[Seann William Scott]]) encourages Josh to move on to another woman, such as Josh's friend Beth ([[Amy Smart]]) at his party. But Jacob, ([[Anthony Rapp]]) the teacher's assistant, has a huge crush on Beth and she even knows that Josh likes her. Unbeknownst to Josh, he is being set up by Jacob to fail Ancient Philosophy.<br />
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During E.L.'s party, Josh attends and E.L. holds a auction for women, including Beth in the bid. Jacob also attends the party, too. Beth convinces Josh to outbid Jacob. But E.L. helps Josh win the bid at $26 when Jacob had $30. But E.L. acclaimed that since Jacob was a teacher's assistant, his bid didn't count. But after Josh and Beth dance, they decide to have sex. When they arrive at Josh's room, Beth decides to record their sex with the same camcorder that Josh uses for his video blogs to Tiffany and they start having sex.<br />
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The next day, Barry sings a song called "Tiny Salmon" as Josh arrives in the room in a very jolly mood. He confesses that he had sex with Beth. His friends object and want proof. Josh attempts to play the tape but then realizes that Rubin accidentally sent the sex tape to Tiffany. Josh thens receives a voice mail from Tiffany saying that she didn't call him because her grandfather died and will be cleaning his house until Monday. Josh decides to go on a road trip because he doesn't have enough money for a plane ticket. So Josh and E.L. get Kyle ([[DJ Qualls]]) to come along for his car. Kyle is a compulsive worrier who lives in constant fear of his overly strict father, Earl Edwards. So Josh, E.L., Rubin, and Kyle try to head to Austin, Texas for 1,800 miles in less than three days and leave Barry to take care of Mitch.<br />
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While Barry is taking care of Mitch, Beth asks him where Josh is. Barry tells her that Josh went to his Tiffany in [[Boston]], in confusion with [[Austin, Texas|Austin]]. Beth then goes to the girls' showers where everyone is naked for some advice. They suggest that she should go to Boston to tell Tiffany about the situation, which Beth does. However, the Tiffany she confronts in Boston is the wrong one.<br />
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But while on the road, the group talk about loop holes and then come across a ten foot gap that they think will waste 5 hours back tracking. But they soon think that they could jump the gap. Kyle objects but they jump it anyway. They make it but the wheels fall off and the car explodes.<br />
They continue on foot and stop at a motel. Rubin tries to score marijuana off the Motel Clerk ([[Andy Dick]]) and is informed that Kyle's credit card is maxed out.<br />
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Meanwhile, Kyle's father, Earl ([[Fred Ward]]) tries to pay for a meal with the maxed out card, but is denied service. He then begins an all-out search for Kyle when he is informed by the police that Kyle's car has blown up and Kyle has turned up missing. On their way to Austin, the group goes through a series of hilarious misadventures, such as Rubin successfully bluffing his way into an all-Black [[fraternity house]] at the [[University of Tennessee]] and a riotous visit with Barry's grandparents. Since Josh's books were destroyed in the explosion, he calls his professor and gets an extension on his midterm.....or so he thinks.<br />
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The group finally gets to Austin and, once they get to Tiffany's dorm, Josh intercepts the tape he sent to Tiffany, who has just arrived back at school. Meanwhile, Earl shows up. He is enraged over what happened with the car and the credit card and threatens to take Kyle back home with him. Kyle finally gets the courage to stand up to him and states that he is going back to school with his friends. Josh and Tiffany watch the tape, which turns out to be nothing but Barry mooning for the camera. Beth has found found out where the real Tiffany is and she calls to warn Josh that he has been duped by Jacob. Josh now has 48 hours to get back to school or else he will fail his midterm, fail the course, and, possibly, be kicked out of college. After they talk, Josh and Tiffany agree to break up and remain friends. Josh and his buddies head back to school and Josh arrives just in time to take his midterm - with a little help from Beth. Josh passes the course and he is now free to hook up with Beth and they make more videos together<br />
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==Cast==<br />
* [[Breckin Meyer]] as Josh Parker<br />
* [[Seann William Scott]] as E.L.<br />
* [[Amy Smart]] as Beth Wagner<br />
* [[Paulo Costanzo]] as Rubin Carver<br />
* [[DJ Qualls]] as Kyle Edwards<br />
* [[Tom Green]] as Barry Manilow<br />
* [[Rachel Blanchard]] as Tiffany Henderson, Josh's long distance girlfriend<br />
* [[Anthony Rapp]] as Jacob<br />
* [[Fred Ward]] as Earl Edwards<br />
* [[Andy Dick]] as Motel Clerk/Bus Passenger<br />
* [[Ethan Suplee]] as Ed<br />
* [[Jaclyn DeSantis]] as Heather<br />
* [[Horatio Sanz]] as French Toast Guy<br />
* [[Rhoda Griffis]] as Tour Group Mom<br />
* [[Edmund Lyndeck]] as Jack Manilow, Barry's Grandpa<br />
* [[Ellen Albertini Dow]] as Mrs. Manilow, Barry's Grandma<br />
* [[Jessica Cauffiel]] as Wrong Tiffany<br />
* [[Mia Amber Davis]] as Rhonda<br />
* [[Mary Lynn Rajskub]] as Blind Brenda<br />
* [[Tim Ware]] as Officer Bortz<br />
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==Locations==<br />
The fictional ''University of Ithaca'' is based on both [[Ithaca College]] and [[Cornell University]] both located in [[Ithaca, New York]]. Filming took place on the campuses of High School [[Woodward Academy]], [[Georgia Institute of Technology|Georgia Tech]], [[Emory University]] and the [[University of Georgia]].<ref>{{cite web<br />
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The diner scene was shot in Lawrenceville, Georgia at the Gwinnett Diner, as it says on the coffee mugs.<br />
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The film received mixed to positive reviews. Review aggregate website Rotten Tomatoes calculate and overall rating of 59% based on 88 reviews, with 20 top critics giving it a rating of 65%. The consensus was "Some humor is hit or miss, depending on the audience tastes, but the movie is funny overall. Mixed reviews for the cast, especially for MTV's Tom Green."<ref>{{rotten-tomatoes|id=1097259}}. {{Retrieved|accessdate=2009-11-31}}</ref><br />
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==Box office==<br />
The film opened at #3 at the North American box office making $15,484,004 [[USD]] in its opening weekend, behind [[Gladiator (2000 film)|Gladiator]] and [[Dinosaur (film)|Dinosaur]].<br />
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==Sequel==<br />
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A [[direct-to-video]] [[sequel]] called ''[[Road Trip: Beer Pong]]'' was released on August 11, 2009, this time by Paramount Famous Productions as [[Paramount Pictures]] had acquired DreamWorks' back catalog in its 2006 purchase of the company (since undone).<ref>[http://themovingpicture.net/trailer-for-road-trip-ii-beer-pong-arrives Trailer for Road Trip II: Beer Pong Arrives]</ref> Only two of the original cast or crew appear in the sequel film, [[DJ Qualls]] as Kyle Edwards, and [[Rhoda Griffis]] as Tour Group Mom.<br />
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* [[Road Trip (soundtrack)]]<br />
* ''[[Eurotrip]]''<br />
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Jennifer Lawrence is chosen to be Katniss from the Hunger Games, however, I'm not going to edit it myself because I don't have a wikipedia account. But just to let you know! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.229.57.2|96.229.57.2]] ([[User talk:96.229.57.2|talk]]) 06:30, 17 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:You don't need an account to edit WP... [[Special:Contributions/69.165.255.72|69.165.255.72]] ([[User talk:69.165.255.72|talk]]) 23:56, 13 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Reads like PR Fluff. ==<br />
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This article reads like PR fluff,so I am going to change some of the unsourced praises.--[[Special:Contributions/74.179.215.67|74.179.215.67]] ([[User talk:74.179.215.67|talk]]) 20:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Block quote ==<br />
Block quotes are famously used here on wikipedia for long reviews or personal quotes. There is nothing wrong with using block quotes. The review from Rolling Stone is lenghty and needs to be put in a block quote. Putting a block quote from a top critic does not make the page look like a fansite. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Trishstar7|Trishstar7]] ([[User talk:Trishstar7|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Trishstar7|contribs]]) 04:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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:I don't have a problem with block quotes, but the quote itself is ridiculous. It's far too long and covers too much ground, like the film itself, the character, a Twilight comparison, and her previous Oscar nomination. We should decide on a phrase that actually focuses on Lawrence's performance, such as: <br />
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:* "Lawrence, 21, is an acting dynamo with the skills to let us into Katniss' searching mind." <br />
:* "My advice is to keep your eyes on Lawrence, who turns the movie into a victory by presenting a heroine propelled by principle. She makes Katniss revolutionary."<br />
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== Lamely written article ==<br />
I'm too lazy to make a wikipedia account and edit this page, but it's terrible. For example, lines like 'The performance was highly acclaimed by film critics.' oh was it now? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.5.89.214|24.5.89.214]] ([[User talk:24.5.89.214|talk]]) 17:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:Yes, it was. That's why the very next line includes a quotation of superlative praise from one of the world's leading film critics, plus a reference. Problem? [[User:SteveStrummer|SteveStrummer]] ([[User talk:SteveStrummer|talk]]) 18:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Jennifer Lawrence is the second youngest actress to be nominated for an Academy Award??? Really??? What about Anna Paquin and Tatum O'Neal? Good grief they were both winning children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/120.144.80.160|120.144.80.160]] ([[User talk:120.144.80.160|talk]]) 09:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:Fixed. [[User:Prayer for the wild at heart|Prayer for the wild at heart]] ([[User talk:Prayer for the wild at heart|talk]]) 10:27, 4 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added a couple of lines, that were fact and were sourced, and for some reason they were taken out within hours by an unregistered user.<br />
I'm sure if i'll add them again they will just be taken out again. What can be done about this? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Anibar E|Anibar E]] ([[User talk:Anibar E|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Anibar E|contribs]]) 23:40, 10 April 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Action Film ==<br />
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Is [[The Hunger Games (film)]] really an action movie? Its listed on the page as a Sci-Fi Action Drama, and I would consider it much more of a drama than action (especially the first two acts, which have absolutely no 'action' at all). I bring this up because it says she is the highest earning action heroine of all time, but I question how valid that assertion is. Maybe that's not how these things work, but I would dispute that classification. [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 15:57, 11 April 2012 (UTC)</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Electronic_Arts&diff=485657052Talk:Electronic Arts2012-04-05T04:38:10Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* Electronic Arts wins Worst Company of 2012 over Bank of America, etc. */</p>
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== Vandalism/intentional removal of relevant information ==<br />
This article seems to be under attack by individuals who systematically attempt to remove the criticsm section, in particular. If this continues, it may be necessary for administrators to step in and lock the article down for the time being. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.196.66.167|84.196.66.167]] ([[User talk:84.196.66.167|talk]]) 11:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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* Likewise, others are using the article as a method to trumpet their anti-EA agenda. I just removed the following from the article intro: <br />
''Electronic Arts in its most recent release of its award winning, Medal of Honor, allows gamers to "kill American soldiers and Marines." The company is facing a major boycott, and the Department of Defense has already banned this particular release from the military exchange system. See news link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/08/national/main6846690.shtml'' <br />
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''Electronic Arts has made a business decision to put profits ahead of the lives and dignity of American military personnel. Complaints can be phoned into the the Electronic Arts CEO at (650) 628-1500.''<br />
* Whatever your personal feeling about EA might be, this article must remain neutral. Put something about the controversy in the criticism section if you must, but please do not use the article to promote one side or the other. --[[User:Takerfoxx|Takerfoxx]] ([[User talk:Takerfoxx|talk]]) 21:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion of Wikipedia Edit Section ==<br />
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.145.80.224|99.145.80.224]] ([[User talk:99.145.80.224|talk]]) 01:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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* Did you have a point tb make? Or are you here simply to troll... If the latter, I move that we delete this new section as it does not appear to be constructive in the least. I'll give it a week. [[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] ([[User talk:Braidedheadman|talk]]) 21:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Do whatever, I guess you're important that way. I think if everyone is encouraged to edit articles, especially stakeholders and people who actually know how a business operates and how it's perceived by outsiders, it should not be a "controversy" that they've edited an article. The ISSUE died down over a year ago, and resulted in no changes to corporate policy or any other effect that would require a whole subsection in an already-long criticisms section. Speaking of which, the two other controversies in the article: quality, and licenses, could apply to any company doing any kind of work. Is it a controversy that NBC has a license to broadcast the Olympics? That the games are repetitive and of poor quality is not a "controversy" it's the product of a business plan. Again, do whatever you want. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.34.27.120|75.34.27.120]] ([[User talk:75.34.27.120|talk]]) 18:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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I just scrolled down to see that this issue had been settled in Feb. 2008. I don't want to revisit this topic without new reason (although now the "criticism" is even staler). So, Baidedheadman delete the discussion (or not) when you see it next. This "controversy" is important to you and your friends and all I was worried about was brevity. Also, whoever makes the decisions about changes to pages, please leave this here so that it's actually seen. At least be courteous enough to point out what is not "constructive" about a statement withdrawing an issue. Quite the opposite, I'm trying to close a controversy. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.34.27.120|75.34.27.120]] ([[User talk:75.34.27.120|talk]]) 19:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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*I found your first comments (above) unconstructive because they added nothing of value to these discussions. In trying to encourage "brevity", you were entirely ''too brief'' to be taken seriously and came across as nothing more than a common troll - and this article has attracted more than its fair share of those as it is. It's encouraging to see that you at least followed up with something a little more salient than what you started with, however. As for the issue dying down over a year ago, or that the entire criticism section has grown stale; I don't see how that's relevant. IMO, as it is a product of history, it remains relevant regardless of its apparent age; I don't recall there being an expiration date stamped on history as such. However, if you do find something new to add, to freshen it up a little, if you will; please, by all means make your contributions. As to your other arguments, the ISSUE was not that EA had made edits to the article. You rightly point out that that is to be expected. However, it was ''how'' they edited content within the article and, indeed, ''what'' precisely was edited that was AT ISSUE. If it interests you (if you haven't already looked), and rather than readdress here what has already been discussed on the matter elsewhere (in the interests of brevity), the archives contain additional conversations with respect to this section of the article. Peace. [[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] ([[User talk:Braidedheadman|talk]]) 08:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion of Online Strategy section ==<br />
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''EA originally decided against allowing its games on Microsoft's Xbox Live online service due to arguments between Microsoft and EA about the distribution of revenue from online play. EA finally agreed to release games on Xbox Live on the condition that Microsoft allow the games to connect to the EA servers in order to play them online.[24] EA has also received criticism from many gamers in that EA refuses to patch many of its games (usually the older ones) that are in many cases glitchy and/or imbalanced (one player side has more advantages over the other and thus the game matches are unfair).''<br />
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The issue doesn't seem to be any controversial, but more of a business decision. Question is, was EA obligated (by contract, promise, or non-recalled claim) to support LIVE service to its products? If not, where's the problem? Furthermore, the "gamer criticism" relies on the weasel word, "from many gamers", as its source. The last sentence in parentheses sounds like as if some gamer got upset at the game.--[[User:BirdKr|BirdKr]] 01:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
: Your question lacks context. Did EA market the game in question as an "online" game? Moreover, is this game only capable of delivering real satisfaction by being played "online" by virtue of its design? For instance, would it be appropriate to market, distribute, and sell an online only game such as Team Fortress 2 - not an EA product, I know - only to pull support for that product shortly thereafter? Even after several years, at what point are the ties that bind "just business" and "ethical support" finally broken? What of the end user who still has money tied up in a produce he/she can no longer use? More than that, hasn't this topic already been hashed out in the archives? I seem to recall reading stuff similar to this in the past. [[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] ([[User talk:Braidedheadman|talk]]) 08:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I know I'm beating on a dead horse, but for future reference, the block I deleted had absolutely no mention of the context of the questions you put out. I'm not going to assume that most of these games published by EA had to have LIVE service to be enjoyable or at least within the publisher's claim. --[[User:BirdKr|BirdKr]] ([[User talk:BirdKr|talk]]) 09:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Desert Strike==<br />
I am not an expert in this topic but I bring this here for your attention because is suggested that this game be removed from the list of notable EA games as it is not notable. My contention is that it is notable because it has its own section [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Strike:_Return_to_the_Gulf#Desert_Strike:_Return_to_the_Gulf here]; in addition Googling '''"Desert Strike" game -wikipedia''' yields 315,000 Ghits. Even factoring out blog entries must leave a substantial case based on [[WP:N|the first criterion of notability]]. The main argument against seems to be that all EA games are listed, whether ''great or dreadful''. I don't think this is a valid criterion for notability. You might say [[Winston Churchill]] was great and [[Adolf Hitler]] dreadful, but both are undoubtedly notable. I leave it to the experts on these things, as long as [[WP:NPOV]] is borne in mind. --'''[[User:Rodhullandemu|<font color="7F007F">'''Rodhullandemu'''</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:Rodhullandemu|please reply here]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rodhullandemu|contribs]]) 16:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:'''Desert Strike'' was a big hit for EA on the Genesis (with a SNES port) and started a franchise that lasted into the 32/64-bit era. That seems notable enough for me. [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] ([[User talk:Indrian|talk]]) 16:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::How do you define "big hit"? [http://www.mobygames.com/game/desert-strike-return-to-the-gulf MobyGames] accumulated scores gives it about an 80% rating--pretty average.<br />
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::Let me reiterate what happened. I removed ''[[Strike series#Desert Strike: Return to the Gulf|Desert Strike]]'' from the [[Electronic Arts#Notable games published|Notable games published]] list because I thought it wasn't all that notable. It was just one game that EA published among hundreds of others. Rodhullandemu added it back in, thinking it was notable because it has it's own section in an article. I don't see how that makes it notable. Most games have articles, even if they are obscure. I assert that ''Desert Strike'' is a pretty obscure game and doesn't deserve to be on the "Notable" list (and it is on the [[List of Electronic Arts games]]). Indrian's objection noted, does anyone else object to removing it? &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 16:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Okay, first of all, ''Desert Strike'' is from 1992, so your Moby Games info is pretty worthess since there are virtually no online press reviews of the game. Second, even if the review score was average, or even horrible, that would once again mean nothing on its own because plenty of awful games have become big hits. Third, anything that spawns a five game series is not "obscure" as you say even if it is not as popualr as Madden or Mario. Outside of its sports games, EA has had very few series last that long, particularly in the period of time we are talking about in the early to mid nineties. Finally, if you want to limit this list to truly notbale games that is fine with me, because I put ''Desert Strike'' somewhere between where you put it and super important games like ''Populous'', ''Ultima Online'', and ''Madden'', but then please go ahead and remove ''Mail Order Monsters'', ''Music Construction Set'', and ''Racing Destruction Set'' from the list too, which are far more obscure than ''Desert Strike''. [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] ([[User talk:Indrian|talk]]) 18:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Is EA still world's largest publisher? ==<br />
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Now that Activision and Vivendi games have merged, I don't think EA Games is the largest games publisher anymore. EA's article says EA's annual revenue is $2.9b; Activision Blizzard's [http://www.activisionblizzard.com/factSheet/factSheet.pdf press release] says that Activision Blizzard expects $3.8b in 2007. Furthermore, the press release claims that Activision Blizzard is "the world's largest and most profitable pure-play game publisher". I'm no expert, but it looks as though EA's no longer top dog.<br />
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*I believe you are correct, but until both of those companies give their annual reports, I do not think we have a reliable enough source to credit Activision Blizzard as the new top dog. I may be wrong, however. [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] 00:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Indeed. The press release itself has a disclaimer stating that all figures are estimates and future predictions. Tentatively, I've made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electronic_Arts&diff=175359014&oldid=174632710 a slight change] to the intro to make it slightly less specific. --[[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 00:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:: If it hasn't happened yet, why include speculative commentary? I move that these comments be removed until such time as the article's findings are verifiable as, for the moment at least, it's just not relevant information (as interesting as I find it to be). I cite [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. [[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] 02:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::I also think that is for the best, particularly after I noticed with further research that EA projects revenues of $3.8 to $4 billion this year, so chances are good EA is still (barely) on top. As you say, though, we will not know until there are sources and [[WP:V]] would seem to mandate we not touch this for now. [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] 02:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Would like to document negative experience with EA Store==<br />
Hello Wikipedians,<br />
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I have had a very negative experience with the EA Store, which exists for the express purpose of allowing people to purchase and download EA games. I was able to complete the "purchase" part of the process, but there has been a slight problem with the "download" part: in other words, I have parted with money but have not been able to download the game to which I am entitled. EA Support have not been helpful in the least.<br />
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I have started a [http://annoyead.blogspot.com/ blog] documenting my experiences. Would it be unethical to add a sub-section to the existing Criticism section on this page with a mention of EA Store unreliability, citing my blog? [[User:Annoyead|Annoyead]] ([[User talk:Annoyead|talk]]) 23:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Your single complaint would not be notable, and hence not encyclopedic, your blog would not be regarded as a reliable source, and you would be perceived to have a conflict of interest. Any one of these would get your edits deleted. Probably a better idea to persist with EA's customer support but this is not the forum for consumer complaints. --'''[[User:Rodhullandemu|<font color="7F007F">'''Rodhullandemu'''</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:Rodhullandemu|Talk]]) 23:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:If your blog, and your experiences contained therein gain mass coverage (as was the case with [[EA Spouse]]), then it could well be notable enough. Until that point, blogs aren't generally regarded as [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], and also generally only common and notable criticisms are included, rather than sole, rare or personal occurrences. Good move coming to discuss this on the talk page first, however. :) --[[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 23:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::My motivation is to warn others of the potential for their purchase to "go wrong" as mine has, and also to encourage EA to get their act together. Other content in this very article would suggest they pay quite a lot of attention to what's being said here :-) In any case, I will complete my blog and try to see what happens. Thanks for the responses. [[User:Annoyead|Annoyead]] ([[User talk:Annoyead|talk]]) 23:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::If you want to get the word out about your blog, try sending links out to the big blogs like Kotaku and Joystiq once you have solid evidence in there and the like. The role of Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, is to include things that are already notable, rather than include things with the intention of helping them become notable. Good luck, though. --[[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 23:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::Funny - the issue is now resolved. My purchase is accessible through EA Download Manager. This can't have been the case more than about two days ago, when I last checked. Nothing to blog about now! :-) [[User:Annoyead|Annoyead]] ([[User talk:Annoyead|talk]]) 16:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I swear some people are idiots. Just be patient and use tech support, not damn wikipedia. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/198.49.125.26|198.49.125.26]] ([[User talk:198.49.125.26|talk]]) 18:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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==Deleting The "Editing of Wikipedia" Section and Accusations of Personal Bias?==<br />
In a recent series of reverts, one wikipedian made the claim that [[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] ([[User talk:Braidedheadman|talk]]) (me) is personally biased against EA in an attempt to invalidate his protests against the removal of certain sections from the "Criticism" section of this article. In my own defense, I feel that I would like to submit the following argument to show that I (Braidedheadman), am not biased in so far as I only make edits that can be substantiated by facts supported by credible sources. <br />
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It is true that the bulk of my edits have contributed to the growth of the "Criticism" section in question. The reason for that being the case is simply that, prior to my contributions, in addition to those added by other, like-minded wikignomes, the EA wiki article ran more like corporate promotional material or a press brochure rather than an encyclopedic article written from a non-neutral POV. The article ''needed'' a criticism section in order to balance all the fluff that persists in this document body to this day. <br />
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And so I took it upon myself to identify and document points upon which EA could be fairly criticized, with supporting documentation attributed to credible sources (sometimes with help from others =P ), in order to preserve some sense of NPOV throughout this article. More than that, without criticism like this, there can't be the kind of healthy debates that encourage growth elsewhere. While I admit I do feel that, without making them one's soap-box, publicly controlled articles like these - seen by hundreds of thousands if, indeed, not millions - are a perfect place for such things and for leveraging large corporations like EA into examining themselves closely to look for ways to change for the better; to the best of my knowledge, I have not made this article my personal soap-box and, to my credit, I have opposed points of criticism here in the past that were either not sufficiently notable, were not NPOV, or could not be substantiated through proper documentation.<br />
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As far as EA's staffers editing wiki articles in which they have a vested interest goes, and people's continued efforts to remove EA's recent involvement in such activities; yes, I know it happens and, no, I don't have any problem with it in so far as they are not the kind of historical-revisionist entries like those that were made here in the past or are not full of salacious, corporate disinformation. <br />
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When companies do stoop to this level, however, I strongly believe that these are notable events, particularly when major news media outlets like the NY Times et al pick up on it and run them in their periodicals. As such, they are confirmed points of historical record and have a place of value in encyclopedic articles. Bias does not factor into including them in such articles one bit. I might even contend that not including them, in fact, shows a particularly favorable bias toward EA's interests in direct opposition to allegations made of my own supposedly non-neutral points of view. It's worth noting here that Wikipedia is not a corporate public relations entity where everything that is said about the corporations they document has to be all peachy and nice.<br />
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Anecdotally, I made edits in the past wherein I quoted EA's current CEO, John Riccitiello, for his comments regarding EA's apparent stagnation and lack of innovation. The edits at the time received a fair bit of resistance given that there was some ambiguity in his comments with regard to whether they pertained to EA specifically or the industry at large, generally. I'd like to thank those who contributed toward making those comments as NPOV as possible in that regard. At the same time, however, I'd like to direct everyone's attention to [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/arts/television/19game.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin this article] by the NY Times, which pretty much vindicates my interpretation of the older articles currently cited in the criticism section. If Mr. Riccitiello was not specifically talking about his company's stagnated growth in new and innovative IPs then, he certainly is now. =P<br />
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Please expect further updates to the criticism section in the near future. =D Peace. 04:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Internet: <b>Serious Business.</b> Look, it was not <i>massively</i> discussed (pertaining to notability) anywhere except for game-related blogs, which are barely a reliable source of information, and ONLY focus on gaming, not general news. I did not hear a peep from any major news source (ABC, CBS, CNBC, Faux- I mean, Fox News, etc.) about the incident. Besides, if you check the Wikipedia IP Scanner [http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/ here], you'll find that many companies do what EA did, which was make a couple edits on their behalf. And since you seem to dig blogs so much, check [http://www.jainesoutpost.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=13422&n=last this]. It's a short list of notable companies and organizations (including EA) that have edited the Wiki on it's own behalf. And you might want to read up on [[Wikipedia:Ownership of articles]], because your account has few past edits that do NOT pertain to this article. And if you think that the article needs balancing, it does not become fixed by simply keeping one small section that is both not encyclopedic AND fluff itself. Go ahead and keep reverting my edits. Can't stop me from re-reverting. [[User:Blacklist|Blacklist]] ([[User talk:Blacklist|talk]]) 05:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I have no interest in getting into an edit war over something like this, so I won't bother taking part. What I will say is that a corporation editing Wikipedia is neither inherently notable and should be included, nor inherently ''not'' notable, and should ''not'' be included. I agree that there are lots of edits made to Wikipedia by big corporations, and many of these are not worthy of mention. I feel, however, that this deserves a mention in the article, as it did get coverage, even if largely only in videogame and tech-related sites. Other similar cases of Wikipedia editing which are mentioned in their relevant articles are [[Exxon Valdez oil spill#Other consequences|Exxon Valdez]], [[Raytheon#Editing of Wikipedia entry|Raytheon]], [[USA Congressional staff edits to Wikipedia|Congressional staff]], [[Central Intelligence Agency#Wikipedia|CIA]], [[Internet brigades#Internet brigades in Wikipedia?|"Internet brigades"]], [[Criticism of The New York Times#Wikipedia Edits|NYT]], [[Cult Awareness Network|Cult Awareness Network]], [[Diebold#Criticism|Diebold]], [[Criticism of the BBC#Editing of Wikipedia|BBC]], [[Fox News Channel controversies#Wikipedia edits|Fox News]], and likely many more. Some of those articles have less references for that section, others have more. The section that there is a revert war over at the moment was fully referenced, from three different references. Those are [[Joystiq]], [[Shacknews]], and [[Gamesindustry.biz]], which are used as references all over Wikipedia. They are clearly reliable enough, in my opinion, and this section got wide enough coverage to warrant inclusion, in my opinion. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 06:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::If both of you could avoid reverting for a while, and just discuss on this talk page, that would be great, and would avoid the possibility of either of you getting blocked for violating [[WP:3RR]]. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 06:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::In accordance with this, I have put [[Template:uw-3rr|3RR notices]] on each of your talk pages, for making two reverts each in the past 24 hours, just incase either of you was to revert before reading this talk page (fair warning and all. :) ). [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 06:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Noted. You'll also note that I twice requested in history comments that this come to discussion before this revert war escalated and yet I see the original page content has been changed, yet again, before a consensus has been reached. Furthermore, as I also pointed out in history comments, this topic indeed has been discussed extensively in the past (check the archives) and has been at rest for several months now. '@Blacklist:' If you are suggesting, sir, by your references to [[Wikipedia:Ownership of articles]] that I cannot work with the other editors on board here, you are mistaken. As it stands, since you haven't come up with a better argument than, "I don't think it's notable," and your fallacious assertion that this topic has not been widely covered by credible sources, I simply happen to disagree with your reasons for removing the section.[[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] ([[User talk:Braidedheadman|talk]]) 06:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: Fine. Since an Admin got into the mix and is threatening to block people and stuff, do what you wish. If it DOES need to be mentioned, it should not be in it's OWN underlined section. Regular folk work at EA, especially those who gain outside Internet access inside of the Quality Assurance department (since it hires regular folk once every six months or so), so then they get to edit the article to defend their employer while on the clock, and by doing so, make it from EA's IP Address. Not that big a deal that it deserves a header, if you ask me. [[User:Blacklist|Blacklist]] ([[User talk:Blacklist|talk]]) 00:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hold on, hold on. I'm not an admin, I'm just a regular editor like yourselves. I wasn't threatening a block, just placing a notice to inform ''both'' of you that [[WP:EW|edit war]]ring is not productive, and if both of you continued to revert without discussing it on the talk page, that you would end up violating [[WP:3RR]] and that usually leads to a block for all violating parties. Do not think that I used that to stop you from taking part in this discussion. I think it is important that a consensus is reached here. Apologies if it felt I was throwing around any kind of authority. :) [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 00:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::... Isn't there a general rule on the Internet that if you're not a moderator, then you don't go around acting like one by warning other users that they're somehow breaking the rules? You warned us both, and I assumed that since you had the ability, you would go on and pull it off if such an event would come to fruition. But whatever, I'm past this. [[User:Blacklist|Blacklist]] ([[User talk:Blacklist|talk]]) 00:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
*I am an admin here. Any user can issue warnings for vandalism, 3RR, etc, so [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] acted quite correctly in issuing warnings, but would need to request an admin to issue blocks. That's why we have [[WP:AIV]], for example. Meanwhile, I'd suggest, as a fellow editor, rather than acting ''qua'' admin, that the issues in this debate are *how encyclopedic is the section under discussion?, *what understanding does it give a reader?, and *how well-sourced is it? Can we move on on that basis, please? --'''[[User:Rodhullandemu|<font color="7F007F">'''Rodhullandemu'''</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:Rodhullandemu|Talk]]) 01:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::: Reverted your edit. I'm for keeping it up there. Just because it wasn't covered by "major" news doesn't mean it isn't news. And if you're perception of "news" is limited to the "major" networks, you may need to do some serious thinking. And i'm sure other companies do this whole dirty business of wikipedia editing, wikiscanner shows it! Unfortunately, they aren't reported in the news generally, much less so in any of the avenue(s) you are used to (READ: TELEVISION). [[User:Haracas|Haracas]] ([[User talk:Haracas|talk]]) 20:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::: First off, it's considered news if it reaches a general and major populous that then acknowledge the events depicted in said news. Second, I don't need to do any thinking, for anybody. Thank you very much. Finally, you never touched on the fact of whether or not it was encyclopedic, which is what half of this debate is about. Also, I personally did watch a News Report out of my local KGO 7 News about Microsoft editing Wikipedia. Oops, I guess they are reported in the avenues I am used to. [[User:Blacklist|Blacklist]] ([[User talk:Blacklist|talk]]) 05:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::: Well as for how "encyclopedic" this is, i would say its worthy of being placed in here. We are dealing with EA's criticism. Their editing of Wikipedia and subsequent press release is an excellent example of how their PR practices, in my opinion. Including it in Wikipedia will give readers a better understanding of what EA is like. I also do think this is a notable event such that even EA itself issued a press release, in which it did not deny its practices (but nor did it condone them). I don't think that the article is biased nor is Braidedsomethingsomething (sorry, i can't find your name!) biased in his opinion. Judging his POV based on the fact that all the edits he has made are in the criticism section and then accusing him of being biased is a bit far-fetched. He cited sources in his edits, and EA's own press release regarding this issue was included in the reference too, that, by my definition is not biased. Biased is when you accuse someone or something of doing something despite evidence to the contrary. Finally, your maturity (or dire lack thereof) as an editor of Wikipedia is somewhat alarming, but i'm sure you're over this whole fiasco now as you said so yourself and hopefully you won't be so rude next time to fellow editors. <3, [[User:Haracas|Haracas]] ([[User talk:Haracas|talk]]) 10:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Your own comment just lacked maturity also. Don't try to put one over on me, punk. [[User:Blacklist|Blacklist]] ([[User talk:Blacklist|talk]]) 07:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: Uh, ok, so rather than use this talk page to move towards a compromise, you once again decided to just dive in, even with name-calling added! Moving aside from all that hatred and anger for punks, i would like to once again focus on the topic at hand and offer some suggestions(if you're still interested in working out a resolution that is). I do still strongly feel that the topic about Wikipedia editing should stay up. I think it is important to let the readers know that the material they are reading was at (a) point(s) heavily tempered with and from the company itself too. I don't mind if it was scaled down to one or two sentences though, and merged with the main paragraphs under criticism, eliminating the need for its own section. If you (and anyone else opposing the current situation) do not mind this suggestion, then be my guest and carry out the necessary edits. Punk, out. [[User:Haracas|Haracas]] ([[User talk:Haracas|talk]]) 14:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::With regards to how well sourced the section was, it had three separate pages used as citations, but there are many more, as the story was picked up by many other big names, such as [[Computer and Video Games|CVG]] [http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=170230], [[Kotaku]] [http://kotaku.com/gaming/change-everything/ea-staffer-alters-history-290115.php], [[Destructoid]] [http://www.destructoid.com/ea-alters-wikipedia-monkeys-destroy-statue-of-liberty-38688.phtml], and even [[GameSpot]] [http://gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=25854397]. The story was also picked up by foreign-language sites such as [[FOK!]]games [http://games.fok.nl/news.php?newsid=19793], so I would say it's certainly important enough for inclusion. Many of our entire ''articles'' don't have as many sources as that. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 01:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
*I am prepared to let the page sit as it is for another couple of days at least in order that this can be discussed thoroughly, at the end of which time I plan on reverting the changes. IMHO, however, I feel that since this has been discussed before and that the section in question as it was had been at rest for several months, ''someone'' (*ahem*) other than myself should step up and do the honors. =P [[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] ([[User talk:Braidedheadman|talk]]) 20:36, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
: The section should stay up. I think the fact that EA (or more specifically, an EA IP address) is editing out criticism should make it notable. It would be a much different scenario if the article added something like, EA is the best company and worth $2 BILLION which could just be attributed to employee enthusiasm/spamming(?). However, I don't believe "criticism" sections are required just because a corporation is non-negative things written about it.[[User:Strongsauce|Strongsauce]] ([[User talk:Strongsauce|talk]]) 03:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::My perspective: I don't think this is notable or worth inclusion especially considering the GameSpot "story" cited appears to be a personal blog. If at least one real newspaper or periodical covers this issue then I would change my position. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 08:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::GameSpot isn't cited in [[Electronic Arts#Editing of Wikipedia|the section in question]]. The three citations used are [http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/16/ea-staffer-plays-history-revisionist-on-wikipedia/ Joystiq.com], [http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/48482 ShackNews] (the originator of the story), and [http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27751 Gamesindustry.biz]. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 08:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::(as an aside, if you're talking about the GameSpot page I linked to above, that appears to be from [http://www.gamespot.com/news/sidebar.html Sidebar], GameSpot's official news blog, named such because it appears in the sidebar on their main [http://www.gamespot.com/news/ news page]). [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 08:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::I don't think this is noteworthy. Unless someone knows WHO at EA edited the article, it is a criticism of unknown EA employees, not the company. There is no reason to believe it was sanctioned by the company, and every reason to believe it was not (since EA is a software company, and the edits must have been made by a non-technical person if they did not understand that vandalizing a wiki won't accomplish much and can be tracked). I think it reeks of petty bias, and I don't particularly like EA myself. Your comment, "please expect further updates to the criticism section in the near future," makes it sound like you're on a mission to destroy EA, and your edit history reiterates it. --[[User:Mugsywwiii|Mugsywwiii]] ([[User talk:Mugsywwiii|talk]]) 23:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: While I don't agree with most of what you've said - if it wasn't noteworthy, major gaming eZines (legitimate, credible news/media sources) would not have run with the story in droves - you are dead wrong about the last part. I would like nothing more than for EA to get back to producing great games again as they have in the past rather than the reiterated franchise material that has been their bread and butter for the better part of the last decade. I feel that criticism such as that found in articles like these and elsewhere go a fair ways toward accomplishing that goal. But the ad hominem attacks made here in recent weeks do nothing to address the facts and, so far, no one has been able to ''show'' why this section is not notable outside of their own opinion. I argue that it is notable because it is supported by substantiating documents. Moreover, the comment you quoted, and took out of context BTW, was intended as a friendly jab at my fellow wikignomes who some months ago resisted the idea that Riccitiello might actually have been talking about his own company in comments he made in an article that I cited at the time. As the new article I linked to above is explicit in Riccitiello's comments (rather than implicit) this time, I could not resist the opportunity to poke some of these guys in the ribs =P. It has nothing to do with me wanting to see EA fail.[[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] ([[User talk:Braidedheadman|talk]]) 07:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wasn't sure if it warranted a new heading but I have had previous experience with an EA staffer editing unfavourable information out of a Need for Speed article. I can't quite find it at the moment but it was an edit by an anonymous user who I tracked down using WHOIS to an EA owned IP address. Probably doesn't warrant a mention in the article but thought it was interesting that it wasn't the only time this has happened. USER - Pretender2j (sorry have forgotten my wiki markup :S) 13/9/2008 2239 <span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.183.123.31|124.183.123.31]] ([[User talk:124.183.123.31|talk]]) 12:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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I don't think the math works out,it doesn't make any sense. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.4.149.231|69.4.149.231]] ([[User talk:69.4.149.231|talk]]) 22:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== "EA's CEO: How I Learned To Acquire Developers And Not Screw Them Up" ==<br />
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I want to bring this into attention, seeing how this Wikipedia article has ended up being staunchly anti-EA and needs some NPOV writing:<br />
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[http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/02/riccitiello.html John Riccitiello is apologetic about what happened to Bullfrog, Westwood, Origin Systems; acknowledges important of retaining corporate culture, as seen with Bioware and Maxis].<br />
- [[Special:Contributions/60.50.251.20|60.50.251.20]] ([[User talk:60.50.251.20|talk]]) 07:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
: I don't know that the article has become "anti-EA" per se. One could just as easily argue that there's lots of material in there that is decidedly "pro-EA". But with respect to your comments, a few weeks ago I noted a similar article above from the NY Times. Like you, I'm sure, I felt that it was a good article and shows that EA is aware of its past mistakes and is moving toward making corrections. I had intended to incorporate it under the criticism section after it had mellowed a bit in order to avoid "recentism" in the wiki, but it looks as though Haracas beat me to the punch. =P I'd like to note, however, that the article cited here and in the wiki, as good as it is, appears to be a blog rather than an article from a reputable source. [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/arts/television/19game.html This article] from the NY Times would probably be a more appropriate document to use. It also has the advantage having been titled a little better than "How I Learned To Acquire Developers And Not Screw Them Up", which I find to be on the NNPOV-side. The wiki may also benefit from having commentary related to this article placed more strategically than it currently is, but it's getting late. I'll have more ideas to offer on this matter later in the week. Cheers. [[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] ([[User talk:Braidedheadman|talk]]) 07:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
I will add it soon under the company timeline and see if theres anything that should be added under the "Company development strategy" section.[[User:Haracas|Haracas]] ([[User talk:Haracas|talk]]) 15:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'd say that phrase is false anyway, given that they acquired Maxis for SimCity, etc. then got Tilted Mill to do SimCity Socities [[User:Evils Dark|Evils Dark]] ([[User talk:Evils Dark|talk]]) 00:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Too bad EA doesn't seem to have learned as much as their CEO has claimed. If the past 10 months of EA games are any indication they still seem to rush products to completion before they're ready and interfere a lot with developer's creative freedoms and attempt to dumb down their games. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.58.85.10|67.58.85.10]] ([[User talk:67.58.85.10|talk]]) 16:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Semi protection?==<br />
I think this should have semi production because especially recently, there has been a high concentration of vandilism in this article, and to stop furute re vandilism? Please respond --[[User:PandaSaver|PandaSaver]] ([[User talk:PandaSaver|talk]]) 21:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)PandaSaver<br />
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:If you'd like to request semi-protection, go to [[WP:RfPP]] and follow the instructions. :) [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 21:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== History/Organization ==<br />
Seems to me that the History section needs some work to pull out the most relevant company timeline. I'd suggest that it be primarily split between the eras that define EA's three CEOs.[[User:17reasons|17reasons]] ([[User talk:17reasons|talk]]) 04:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I agree that the page is not well-organized, particularly when compared to the best practices laid out by the Companies WIkiproject (Microsoft is a good example). Splitting the history into three distinct periods, defined by CEO leadership (1982-1991, 1991-2007, and 2007 - present) is intuitive. It also is consistent with what could be described as three very different periods in EA's evolution as a company. Hawkins' tenure saw the creation of not just EA but an entire industry; Probst oversaw the explosive growth of videogames and EA, the consolidation of the industry, and some company growing pains; Riccitiello has led a complete restructuring of the company and its approach to the industry. [[User:Doyle75|Doyle75]] ([[User talk:Doyle75|talk]]) 21:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
The Label Architecture and the Studios sections are out-of-date and inaccurate, and don't really reflect the current structure of the company. The Studio section in particular lumps game-making studios with EA publishing offices, which aren't studios at all. I suggest that these two sections be combined to give more accurate information about each of the four labels, and the studios that fall under each of them. [[User:Cba2000|Cba2000]] ([[User talk:Cba2000|talk]]) 16:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== 3 Activation Policy ==<br />
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Apparently any games published from now on by EA or it's subsidiaries will only allow the user 3 activations before they have to purchase a new copy(!) Activations are used up when you reformat your PC, change the hardware as well as when you initially install the software. This has been confirmed on the Spore forums where any new posts on the subject are now banned. I'm wondering if I can find an official statement from EA on this matter (most likely a forum post by an authorised employee) whether this would be worth mentioning in the criticism of EA? This system has already been used in Mass Effect for the PC and EA has received criticism for it as it is penalising legitimate users as it is quite possible to go through those activations in a limited time. I'm still trying to find out what the legal situation is here in the UK, but it looks like it might well be yet another area where the legal system lags behind developments by companies... I'm hoping it'll fall under one of the unfair trading rules. --[[User:Tethran|Tethran]] ([[User talk:Tethran|talk]]) 11:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I apologise in advance for the long links. There is vague reference to it here, however, anecdotal evidence suggests what is meant by "case-by-case basis" is actually "never" and that people are being told they will have to buy a new copy.<br />
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:Here's the support page for DRM and Mass Effect:<br />
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:I'll try and paste some pertinant quotes from the link above:<br />
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:"EA Customer Service is on hand to supply any additional authorizations that are warranted. This will be done on a case-by-case basis by contacting Customer Support."<br />
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:"First, authentication of your game disc has changed from a physical format to an online format, eliminating the need to have a disc in the drive when playing." This also means that you have to have internet access to authenticate and play the game.<br />
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:"Re-authentication is required if the game is re-installed on a previously authorized machine for any reason." So, that's 3 re-installs then before you have to contact EA support and hope that they give you a new copy. Users of Mass Effect found themselves being told to buy a new copy to get more activations.<br />
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:A similar series of answers is found on the support for the Spore Creature Creator support section:<br />
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:If I can find solid examples that a lot of customers are being just told to purchase new copies I'll post links to them here as well. I don't want to just leap in and start editing the article, potentially controverisally, without talking about it here first. --[[User:Tethran|Tethran]] ([[User talk:Tethran|talk]]) 11:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::And an article discussing the 3 activation policy with regards Mass Effect and Spore. http://www.simprograms.com/?p=692 Again, I apologise for the length of the links. Honestly. When playing your legally purchased game is more troublesome than playing a pirated copy would be, somebody somewhere should realise the system is messed up... Unfortunately EA doesn't seem to understand that the way to reduce piracy would be to make it easier on the customers that are paying for it (see Stardock's Galactic Civilizations 1 and 2 for example...) --[[User:Tethran|Tethran]] ([[User talk:Tethran|talk]]) 12:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Here's an article of interest, related to this topic: [http://www.forbes.com/technology/2008/09/12/spore-drm-piracy-tech-security-cx_ag_mji_0912spore.html Spore's Piracy Problem - Forbes.com]. Notable exerpts include:<br />
:Electronic Arts (nasdaq: ERTS - news - people ) had hoped to limit users to installing the game only three times through its use of digital rights management software, or DRM. But not only have those constraints failed, says Garland [[http://www.bigchampagne.com/ Big Champagne] Chief Executive Eric Garland], they may have inadvertently spurred the pirates on.<br />
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:On several top file-sharing sites, "Spore"'s most downloaded BitTorrent "tracker"--a file that maps which users had the game available for downloading--also included step-by-step instructions for how to disassemble the copy protections, along with a set of numerical keys for breaking the software's encryption. For many users, that made the pirated version more appealing than the legitimate one.<br />
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:DRM only limits the ability of consumers who wouldn't typically pirate media to make copies or share it with friends and family, agrees Big Champagne's Garland. But because encryption is so easily broken by savvier--and more morally flexible--users, it does little to stop the flood of intellectual property pirated over the Internet, he contends. <br />
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:"DRM can encourage the best customers to behave slightly better," he says. "It will never address the masses of non-customers downloading your product."<br />
:[[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] ([[User talk:Braidedheadman|talk]]) 00:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Is it related to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Mitchell_and_Webb_Look#Numberwang Numberwang]? [[User:Davhorn|Davhorn]] ([[User talk:Davhorn|talk]]) 21:35, 7 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Maxis - both current and former? ==<br />
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Maxis is both listed as a defunct EA studio and a current one. Technically, this is correct as Will Wright's development studio is now based in Emeryville, and the Maxis brand has been transferred with him. What was Maxis is now an EA studio. Perhaps some better delineation between 'old' and 'new' Maxis is necessary (both in this and the main [[Maxis]] article)? [[User:Sslaxx|Sslaxx]] ([[User talk:Sslaxx|talk]]) 14:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Article Links ==<br />
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Someone needs to link Mirrors edge to the game's article as I cant get it to link. <br />
[[User:Vexrog|Vexrog]] ([[User talk:Vexrog|talk]]) 00:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:What are you asking for? Here's a link to the game article, however: ''[[Mirror's Edge]]''. &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 16:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Is EA hurting the industry? ==<br />
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EA's always acting in it's own corporate interest, as any company should be expected to do, but critics all over the internet allege that EA is hurting the videogame industry. Critics in forums, in videogames, on youtube, in blogs, and even in fairly high profile game reviews and "infotainment" have formed something of an EA bashing band wagon in which EA is accused of writing it's own reviews and citing them in commercials, attempting to take over and liquidate their competition to establish a virtual monopoly, and attempting to flood the market with low quality and cheaply made games relying on commercial advertisements and hype to sell them.<br />
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I don't know how much of this is true, but it would make for interesting discussion since there are plenty of sections here on the Electronic Arts page that seem to be criticizing EA--[[Special:Contributions/67.58.85.10|67.58.85.10]] ([[User talk:67.58.85.10|talk]]) 05:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, if you can find verifiable and reliable refs, go ahead. But don't unbalance the article. EA got to where it is by releasing popular games. Sure they put out a lot of crap too&mdash;most publishers do. But they couldn't survive if that's ''all'' they put out. Writing their own reviews? Where? Sony did that with movie reviews and it really bit them in the butt. I'm not in love with EA, but this type of hype is levied against most large businesses. Verifiable, reliable refs (FYI, forums, YouTube videos and blogs are not valid refs). &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 13:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm actually not calling for any additions, I just thought it would be interesting to see people discuss in an intelligent manner. Wikipedia is great for this because people actually have to back up their claims, so unlike on an Internet forum or in Youtube Video or in video game chat interfaces people can't just throw out a bunch of claims and hope some of them stick. I had read that EA wrote their own reviews for Skate 2 and highlighted them during their TV commercials, which were highlited on Youtube, but I'm unsure of this and being the skeptic that I am I try not to take too much of anything at face value after all. [[Special:Contributions/67.58.85.10|67.58.85.10]] ([[User talk:67.58.85.10|talk]]) 16:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, the talk page is really only for discussing changes or improvements to the article, not random discussions. Sorry, but if you aren't actually looking to change the article, you should bring your discussion somewhere else. Yes, on Wikipedia editors have to back up their claims, but only when looking to change an article. &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 16:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Major layoffs==<br />
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I read yesterday that EA is laying off 1100 people, about 11% of its workforce (I'm not gonna put a ref in here, there are hundreds, just do a search on Google News). I was looking for a place to insert this information, but there isn't an obvious place. After the lead-in, the article launches immediately into criticism (this doesn't seem very NPOV). There is a "Corporate affairs" section, but all it talks about are EA's logos.<br />
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I seem to remember there ''used to be'' a "History" section to the article (such as in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electronic_Arts&oldid=5680620#History this version]), but that is long gone (but seems an obvious topic for an encyclopedia to cover). Where should this news be inserted? Will it require resurrecting sections that were deleted (for who knows why) long ago? Or undertaking a major restructure to the article? Please chime in. &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 14:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Silly me, I was looking at a vandalized version of the article. Thanks to [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] for restoring it. I added the above information to the bottom of the History section. &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 16:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::It's great to know that the EA CEO and board still have enough money to fly on private jets, gamble constantly, eat the over priced refuse of the food industry (fish eggs and the like) and take long tropical vacations between conferences and media showings. --[[Special:Contributions/67.58.85.10|67.58.85.10]] ([[User talk:67.58.85.10|talk]]) 00:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, at least they're not doing it with taxpayer money. :-) &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 01:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Can you use the real EA logo for a change. ==<br />
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Seriously.<br />
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This article is supposedly about being accurate, yet for several years now Electronic Arts has change the company logo on the majority of products (aka the non-EA Sports ones) into that oval shaped EA containing image. How do supposed experts of Electronic Arts manage to not keep up with simple marketing/branding image changes done by this company? Yet they are all over the negative publicity in this article.<br />
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--[[User:Emu-lmao|EMU-LMAO]] ([[User talk:Emu-lmao|talk]]) 04:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
*And yet, if you visit their forums, they have not kept their logos up to date either, by your reckoning. So then what really is your point, aside from trying to start an argument? Rather than complain, why don't you take some initiative and do it yourself if it bothers you that much? Would it not have been easier to change one line in the image tag as opposed to typing out a 90-word complaint here? Frankly, with the literally dozens of different logos that EA continues to use even today, I'm not that interested in which one you think is "most current". You want it changed? You do the leg work. [[User:Braidedheadman|Braidedheadman]] ([[User talk:Braidedheadman|talk]]) 15:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Well, I don't live in these internets where you clearly live in. Are you one of those Netizens we hear about in the real world? In the real world we have a fancy EA logo which has a big oval circle around it and is usually black on the box. By the way, I just love the Wikipedia politics, which is a total turn-off. Maybe you can work on a free encyclopedia with smarty know-it-alls that apparently live and thrive on the words found on the Internet, and not the real world. <br />
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Summary. So EA logo with an oval circle around it, usually black. Use that, since EA puts it on every product they ship to these amazing retail outlets in the real world.<br />
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==EA Partners==<br />
I'm seeing things in various articles referring to the EA Partners program, but nothing really in this article. I read an article in Game Informer about it and was looking for more information, but didn't really find any. I think it would make a good addition to this article, and quite pssibly have it's own article, since it has been around for 12 years and helped put out some truly awesome games (System Shock 2, Left 4 Dead). <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lorddragyn|Lorddragyn]] ([[User talk:Lorddragyn|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lorddragyn|contribs]]) 16:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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I think somebody should mention that John Carmack and id Software bailed from the EA Partners program once the acquisition deal with Bethesda fell through. I don't know how to put it, though. I'm not editing to preserve quality standards. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/147.26.199.219|147.26.199.219]] ([[User talk:147.26.199.219|talk]]) 05:16, 23 April 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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==Excessive copyright tag==<br />
Why is there a tag claiming there's improper use of copyrighted materials? Everything in the article seems to be acceptable as fair use. Maybe EA is up to their old tricks again... [[User:Dashwarts|Dashwarts]] ([[User talk:Dashwarts|talk]]) 17:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Proposal to change "EA" from Electronics Arts primary topic to disambiguation page ==<br />
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See [[Talk:EA (disambiguation)#Requested move 2]]. -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 14:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==History?==<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electronic_Arts&oldid=5195169 This revision of the article] has a comprehensive history, but it's missing from the latest versions of this article. What happened to it? Why was it removed? Was it simple vandalism or was it removed for some other reason? &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 18:08, 27 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electronic_Arts&diff=344467847&oldid=344374346 this revision] from back in February is responsible for deleting the history. I'm restoring it. &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 18:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia section ==<br />
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I removed the section on "Wikipedia". In the context of a multi-billion dollar business, whose other "contentious issues" are things like employment policies and anti-trust lawsuits, the fact that someone from the business once tried to edit Wikipedia as an IP in a biased manner just isn't due weight, unless it really did become (or was connected to) a big scandal. I've removed this. [[user:FT2|FT2]]&nbsp;<sup><span style="font-style:italic">([[User_talk:FT2|Talk]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/FT2|email]])</span></sup> 02:10, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. This should be removed and kept off as truly inconsequential. You will probably have an uphill fight against a couple of editors here, however. This is not the first time we have tried to get this out. [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] ([[User talk:Indrian|talk]]) 02:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I never thought it was very noteworthy. Who's to say it was EA management that did the editing and not some random employee. Thousands of employees have an EA IP address when accessing the Internet from the workplace. &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 11:54, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I don't disagree either and the only reason I reverted was that I thought it should be a discussion, which it has now become. If the section was deleted, I would have no issue and totally understand the logic behind that. [[User:MrMarmite|MrMarmite]] ([[User talk:MrMarmite|talk]]) 15:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In this case, I've re-removed the navel gazing. –[[user:xeno|<font face="verdana" color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]][[user talk:xeno|<font color="black"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 15:44, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Semi-protection: Vandalism ==<br />
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I think the article should be temporarily semi-protected due to explicit vandalism, it's getting quite annoying, and the vandalism is coming mostly from IP addresses. [[User:GWPSP090|GWPSP090 (GO!)]] ([[User talk:GWPSP090|talk]]) 21:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Whole Lotta Bitchin' Going On ==<br />
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...in this article. I have read previous comments explaining that the Criticism section was introduced or expanded to counter Corporate fluff. Seems to me that two wrongs don't make a right. Wouldn't it be better to edit the article to be neutral/unbiased/whatever rather than just placing heavier and heavier weights on each end of the see-saw? [[Special:Contributions/92.234.49.13|92.234.49.13]] ([[User talk:92.234.49.13|talk]]) 06:05, 10 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Please correct. ==<br />
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Just a small recommendation. It should read at the very beginning that EA is an American company and not an international. A company is from the country that its headquarters are located in. If you look at all the other big companies like Suare Enix, Ubisoft etc. they are listed as companies from countries that their headquarters are located in (Japan and France for those two) and not as international ones even though they have offices and employees all over the world. EA is not any different. EA was founded by Trip Hawkins (an American), and it's based in Redwood City, California, U.S.A. Therefore it should say at the beginning of the article that "Electronic Arts, Inc. (EA) (NASDAQ: ERTS)[3] is an American developer, marketer, publisher and distributor of video games." "An international company" would mean that a company was actually owned by many countries which none of those companies are since they all are privately owned. And all the offices and studios those companies have around the world are still owned by those companies and not by those countries. So when you write something that it's meant to be an informational article about a company you should use the country that company is actually from and not the term "international". Please correct that. Thank you.<br />
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:Points well taken. Changed article lead to your recommendation. Fair warning, though, it may be changed by other editors. &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 13:39, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Update To Overview ==<br />
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As a representative of Electronic Arts, I would like to make the following suggested changes to 2nd and 3rd paragraph in the overview section. These changes are primarily meant to bring our entry up-to-date. Feedback on the proposed updates is welcome -- Andy Katkin, Editor in Chief, EA.com<br />
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Originally, EA was a home computing game publisher. In the late 1980s, the company began developing games in-house and supported consoles by the early 1990s. EA later grew via acquisition of several successful developers. By the early 2000s, EA had become one of the world's largest third-party publishers. On May 4, 2011, EA reported $3.8 billion in revenues for the fiscal year ending March 2011. EA has moved into providing new digital gaming goods and services (including downloadable games, paid do wnloadable content, mobile games and social games), and reported $833 million in sales of digital goods for the 12 months ending in March, up 46 percent from the year-earlier period. "That figure blew away analysts' estimates of about $750 million, with the company now tracing 22 percent of its $3.8 billion in revenue to virtual wares. It expects digital sales to pass $1 billion this year."<ref>{{cite web|last=Vance|first=Ashlee|title=Electronic Arts's Plan to Get Your Last Gaming Dollar|url=http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_20/b4228037829678.htm|publisher=Business Week}}</ref><br />
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Currently, EA develops and publishes games under several labels including EA SPORTS titles, Madden NFL, FIFA Soccer, NHL, and NBA Jam. Other EA labels produce established franchises such as Battlefield, Need For Speed, The Sims, Medal of Honor, Command & Conquer, as well as newer franchises such as Dead Space, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Army of Two and Star Wars The Old Republic, produced in partnership with LucasArts.<ref>{{cite web|last=Davison|first=Pete|title=E3: EA's Press Conference: The Round-Up|url=http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/220014/e3-eas-press-conference-the-round-up/|publisher=GamePro}}</ref> EA also owns and operates major gaming studios in Tiburon in Orlando, Burnaby, Vancouver, Montreal and DICE in Sweden.<ref>{{cite web|title=About Us {{!}} Locations|url=http://aboutus.ea.com/locations.action|publisher=Electronic Arts}}</ref><br />
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UPDATE - June 29th. Hearing no objections, I am going to go ahead and move this text over to the live article. If anyone has issues with this update, please leave me a note. We're eager to work with the Wikipedia community to keep our entry as factual and current as possible, and we want to do so within the guidelines and accepted community standards of the site.<br />
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[[User:Akatkin|Akatkin]] ([[User talk:Akatkin|talk]]) 04:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Additional Updates To Overview ==<br />
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Hello Wikipedia - This is Andy Katkin, editor for ea.com, back again with some additional updates to the overview section fo EA's Wikipedia entry. As with the previous updates, I am suggesting these changes as a representative of EA and would be happy to work with the community to reach consensus on the text if any objections are raised.<br />
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The new text updates and augments the content in the 3rd paragraph. The 1st two paragraphs, and the first 3 sentences in the 3rd paragraph remain unchanged. New text follows:<br />
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EA began to move toward direct distribution of digital games and services with the acquisition of the popular online gaming site Pogo.com in 2001.<ref>{{cite web|title=EA.com Acquires Leading Games Destination pogo.com|url=http://www.gamezone.com/news/item/ea_com_acquires_leading_games_destination_pogo_com}}</ref> In 2009 EA acquired the London-based social gaming startup Playfish,<ref>{{cite web|title=Not Playing Around. EA Buys Playfish For $300 Million, Plus a $100 Million Earnout|url=http://techcrunch.com/2009/11/09/not-playing-around-electronic-arts-buys-playfish-for-275-million/}}</ref> and in June 2011, EA launched Origin, an online service to sell downloadable games directly to consumers.<ref>{{cite web|title=EA to Test Its Might Online|url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304563104576361801792673260.html}}</ref> In July, 2011 EA announced that it had acquired PopCap Games, the company behind such hits as Plants vs. Zombies, Bejeweled, Peggle and Zuma.<ref>{{cite web|title=EA to Acquire PopCap Games|url=http://news.ea.com/portal/site/ea/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20110712007011&newsLang=en}}</ref><br />
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EA is currently the No. 1 publisher in Western markets with a 16% segment share.<ref>{{cite web|title=Electronic Arts Reports Q1 FY12 Financial Results|url=http://investor.ea.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=594196}}</ref> With the acquisition of PopCap, EA regained its position as the No. 2 publisher of games on Facebook.<ref>{{cite web|title=ANALYSIS: Ricctiello's $1bn digital dream|url=http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/analysis-ricctiello-s-1bn-digital-dream/082449}}</ref><br />
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On May 4, 2011, EA reported $3.8 billion in revenues for the fiscal year ending March 2011. On July 27, 2011, EA reported fiscal first-quarter profits had more than doubled on brisk sales of “highly-anticipated sports and shooter games.”<ref>{{cite web|title=UPDATE: Electronic Arts 1Q Net Jumps; 2Q View Lifted|url=http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110726-720923.html}}</ref> EA earned $221 million, or 66 cents a share, in the three months that ended June 30. “That's up from earnings of $96 million, or 29 cents a share, in the same period a year earlier. Revenue rose 23 percent to $999 million from $815 million.”<ref>{{cite web|title=Electronic Arts pulls in almost $1 billion in revenue in one quarter|url=http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_18553158?nclick_check=1}}</ref><br />
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EA has moved into providing new digital gaming goods and services (including downloadable games, paid downloadable content, mobile games and social games), and revenue from digital sales this year “will likely total between $1.1 billion and $1.15 billion, representing a dramatic change in the company's business model.”<ref>{{cite web|title=UPDATE: Electronic Arts 1Q Net Jumps; 2Q View Lifted|url=http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110726-720923.html}}</ref> EA earned $833 million in digital revenue last year.<ref>{{cite web|title=Electronic Arts' Digital Revenues Hit $833 Million for Full Year to Exceed Forecast|url=http://allthingsd.com/20110504/electronic-arts-digital-revenues-hit-833-million-for-full-year-to-exceed-forecast/}}</ref><br />
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EA’s earnings are marked by an ongoing difference between [http://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/non-gaap-earnings.asp non-GAAP] and [[Generally_Accepted_Accounting_Principles|GAAP accounting]] – which, for example, mandates deferrals of revenue related to services provided for online-enabled packaged goods and digital content. Consequently, EA’s quarterly reports reflect hundreds of millions of dollars which, under GAAP accounting, are deferred for a period of months – then appear in the earnings over multiple quarters subsequent to the original sale. Other companies with significant online revenues face similar issues. This can make it extremely difficult to understand the company’s GAAP profitability. <br />
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UPDATE AUGUST 8: Hearing no objections, I am going to go ahead and update the live article for EA. <br />
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[[User:Akatkin|Akatkin]] ([[User talk:Akatkin|talk]]) 19:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Other games==<br />
There are upcoming 2011 and 2012 games that are not on the "Upcoming games" list, such as ''[[NFL Blitz (2012 video game)|NFL Blitz]]'' and ''[[Grand Slam Tennis 2]]''. Some of these games would be redirected to articles relating to them, but would still be shown on those articles and confirmed by EA's website. Can I add them? [[User:Lacon432|Lacon432]] ([[User talk:Lacon432|talk]]) 17:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Update On EA's Digital Growth ==<br />
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Hello Wikipedia - It's Andy Katkin, the editor for ea.com, back again to make a few more updates to the Wikipedia entry for Electronic Arts. These updates focus on EA's recent reorganization of its digital division, as well as a recognition that in 2011 EA earned over $1b in digital revenue. If anyone has any feedback on the proposed changes, please let me know...<br />
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Changes begin with the 2nd paragraph which would be updated to read:<br />
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Originally, EA was a home computing game publisher. In the late 1980s, the company began developing games in-house and supported consoles by the early 1990s. EA later grew via acquisition of several successful developers. By the early 2000s, EA had become one of the world's largest third-party publishers. On May 4, 2011, EA reported $3.8 billion in revenues for the fiscal year ending March 2011, and on January 13, 2012, EA announced that it had exceeded $1 billion in digital revenue during the previous calendar year. [ADD CITATION: http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ea-reshuffles-after-1-billion-in-digital-year/]. In a note to employees, EA CEO John Riccitiello called this “an incredibly important milestone” for the company. [ADD CITATION: http://kotaku.com/5875652/this-is-what-eas-up-to-on-the-day-zynga-hired-one-of-their-top-guys] EA began to move toward direct distribution of digital games and services with the acquisition of the popular online gaming site Pogo.com in 2001.[4] In 2009, EA acquired the London-based social gaming startup Playfish,[5] and in June 2011, EA launched Origin, an online service to sell downloadable games directly to consumers.[6] In July 2011, EA announced that it had acquired PopCap Games, the company behind hits such as Plants vs. Zombies and Bejeweled.[7] <br />
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EA continued its shift toward digital goods in 2012, folding its mobile-focused EA Interactive (EAi) division “into other organizations throughout the company, specifically those divisions led by EA Labels president Frank Gibeau, COO Peter Moore, and CTO Rajat Taneja, and EVP of digital Kristian Segerstrale.” [ADD CITATION: http://www.gamasurtra.com/view/news/39623/EA_reorganizes_after_a_landmark_1B_digital_year.php] <br />
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As always, we are eager to work with the Wikipedia community to make sure these updates are vetted before going live. Please let me know if you have any feedback.<br />
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[[User:Akatkin|Akatkin]] ([[User talk:Akatkin|talk]]) 16:40, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Hearing no objections, I am going to go ahead and move this new text over to the live article.<br />
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[[User:Akatkin|Akatkin]] ([[User talk:Akatkin|talk]]) 22:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== EA Gothenburg ==<br />
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EA has just opened a studio in Gothenburg, could someone please add this (protected). The sources are this job page and this article: https://jobs.ea.com/search/advanced.do?q=&globalRegionID=a1W500000004CCcEAM&locationID=a1W500000004MBOEA2&jobCategoryID=<br />
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http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/05/ea-opens-ea-gothenburg-studio-focused-on-frostbite-2-projects/ --[[User:Hentheden|Hentheden]] ([[User talk:Hentheden|talk]]) 22:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Add Mass Effect 3 as an Electronic Arts game release in 2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_3)<br />
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[[Special:Contributions/46.59.28.80|46.59.28.80]] ([[User talk:46.59.28.80|talk]]) 03:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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{{ESp|nfn}} The list at [[Electronic_Arts#2012_release]], to which I assume you are referring, is a list of "Games in development". [[Mass Effect 3]] was released on March 6 2012. <br />
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If you, instead, were requesting to add it to the "Notable games published" list, you'd need consensus for that, I think, especially as it is a new title.<br />
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FYI, there is also this article: [[List of Electronic Arts games]], which is a list of games. This article is primarily about the company. <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]]</span> 04:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Electronic Arts wins Worst Company of 2012 over Bank of America, etc. ==<br />
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Somehow I feel this is more than relevant to the criticisms page. The Consumerist held a poll on which companies they considered the worst in America, and EA won with 250,000 votes. If Wikipedia hadn't locked this article (like it does with every article that arouses so much as a tiny bit of controversy) I'd have added it myself.<br />
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:This is relevant, please include this information.[[Special:Contributions/91.39.94.135|91.39.94.135]] ([[User talk:91.39.94.135|talk]]) 21:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Right, because charging ten dollars for an online pass and having exclusive sports licenses is much worse than helping destroy the US housing market and, subsequently, the entire economy through deceptive practices and subsequently continuing illegal foreclosures and other questionable activities after these problems had come to light. Spare me. This was an Internet (un)popularity contest that probably got all those Mass Effect fanboys all riled up again to stick it to "the man" that denied them their life-fulfilling ME3 ending. I see no reason to include this. [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] ([[User talk:Indrian|talk]]) 23:29, 4 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a statement of fact, not a subjective judgment by Wikipedia (or its editors) about the merit of the award. The Consumerist blog is owned by Consumers Union (owners of Consumer Reports) and the blog/its contributors have been regularly mentioned by news outlets and others, meeting the notability requirement [[The Consumerist|to have their own article on Wikipedia]]. Comcast's article mentions their win of the award in 2010.<br />
:::I won't argue as to the exact placement (other than whether or not I think it should be in the first sentence of the article? No, I think it shouldn't), but ignoring the fact that people voted EA for its practices because you believe them to be more or less evil than those of companies misses the point and just places one point of view as superior to the other. If there's notability issues, or whatever, then yeah, that's a valid reason not to include a mention in the article.<br />
:::In the end, visitors to a popular and often cited blog about consumers, consumeristm, et cetera, thought that EA's practices merited them winning the award. Maybe they thought that BofA's acts were more evil, but EA was the worst company since they weren't making efforts to improve and others may not be aware of the impact they are having on their industry. In the end, I think personal opinion on whether or not the win was justified is irrelevant, and the edit should be included on the merit of its notability and relevance to content.<br />
:::I will note that the article presently has a long section with multiple subsections on criticism of the company. --[[User:JDCMAN|JDCMAN]] ([[User talk:JDCMAN|talk]]) 02:02, 5 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::My above post is to illustrate the ridiculousness of the poll. The main reason it should not be included is because the poll is unscientific and therefore useless as a gauge of anything. The Consumerist being a reliable source does not change the uselessness of the results because the content is not an expert opinion or a scientific study promulgated by the organization. They just stuck some polls out there for anyone who cared enough to participate. If and when EA wins a lot of these kinds of contests, or is inundated by protestors, or is the subject of high profile boycotts, or is the subject of multiple op-ed pieces in reliable sources decrying its conduct, then we may have a trend of public dissatisfaction with the corporation and its business practices that would be worth discussing. Winning one unscientific poll, especially when there is currently an irrational Internet subculture attempting to smear the company in any way it can, hardly qualifies as a valid subject for discussion and analysis in an encyclopedia article, which is supposed to be based on secondary research and not flavor-of-the-month Internet reporting anyway. [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] ([[User talk:Indrian|talk]]) 02:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::So your main objection is that The Consumerist didn't poll everyone in America? You've said it yourself, "They just stuck some polls out there for anyone who cared enough to participate". You seem to be making a great many assumptions about the demographics behind who voted for EA and why. The fact of the matter is that there *is* a legitimate backlash against EA's current business practices, evident not just from the results of the Consumerist poll but also from a string of recent Forbes articles criticizing EA. I also don't quite understand why you're putting the emphasis here on the poll being "unscientific" and thus "useless as a gauge of anything". How exactly would you have improved the method the Consumerist poll used to determine the worst company in America? [[User:Murdox|Murdox]] ([[User talk:Murdox|talk]]) 04:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Just throwing out two things. First your personal feelings on the poll don't mean anything. Second EA is hated for more reasons then that. They are hated for buying up popular series and then running them into the ground. They destroyed several successful companies such as Pandemic and Westwood. They work their employees ridiculous hours for no Overtime because they are all salaried. They nickel and dime like crazy with their DLC, micro-transactions, and online passes. This is about more than the ending to Mass Effect 3. [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 04:38, 5 April 2012 (UTC)</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Catching_Fire&diff=484648918Catching Fire2012-03-30T04:48:03Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* Plot */</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Book<br />
| name = Catching Fire<br />
| image = [[File:Catching fire.JPG|200px]]<br />
| author = [[Suzanne Collins]]<br />
| cover_artist = [[Tim O'Brien (illustrator)|Tim O'Brien]]<br />
| country = [[United States]]<br />
| language = English<br />
| genre = [[Science fiction]]/<br />[[Young-adult fiction|Young adult]]<br />
| publisher = [[Scholastic Corporation|Scholastic]]<br />
| release_date = September 1, 2009<br />
| media_type = Print ([[Hardcover]])<br />
| pages = 391<br />
| isbn = 978-0-439-02349-8<br />
| congress= PZ7.C6837 Cat 2009<br />
| dewey = [Fic] 22<br />
| oclc= 288932790<br />
| preceded_by = [[The Hunger Games]]<br />
| followed_by = [[Mockingjay]]<br />
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'''''Catching Fire''''' is the second book in ''The Hunger Games Trilogy'' by [[Suzanne Collins]]. As the sequel to the 2008 bestseller ''[[The Hunger Games]]'', it continues the story of [[Katniss Everdeen]] and the fictional, futuristic nation of Panem. Following the events of the previous novel, a rebellion against the oppressive Capitol has begun, and Katniss and fellow tribute [[Peeta Mellark|Peeta]] are forced to return to the arena in a [[Quarter Quell|special edition]] of the [[The Hunger Games universe#The Hunger Games|Hunger Games]]. The book was released September 1, 2009,<ref>{{cite web|title=The Hunger Games|publisher=Scholastic| url =http://www.scholastic.com/thehungergames/about-the-book.htm|accessdate=2009-03-09 }}</ref> and was later released in eBook and audiobook format. Some information says that the film will come out in November 2013.<br />
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Major themes include survival, government control, rebellion and interdependence vs. independence. ''Catching Fire'' has received mostly positive reviews. Reviewers praised the prose, the ending, and how Katniss became more sophisticated. The third and final novel in the series, ''[[Mockingjay]]'', was released August 24, 2010.<ref>{{cite web |first=Keith|last= Staskiewicz |title=Final 'Hunger Games' novel has been given a title and a cover |url=http://shelf-life.ew.com/2010/02/11/final-hunger-games-novel-has-been-given-a-title-and-a-cover/ |work=[[Entertainment Weekly]] |date=2010-02-11 |accessdate=2010-02-11 }}</ref><ref name="third">{{cite press release |title=Suzanne Collins's Third Book in the Hunger Games Trilogy to Be Published by Scholastic on August 24, 2010 |url=http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Suzanne-Collinss-Third-Book-Hunger-Games-Trilogy-Be-Published-Scholastic-on-August-24-NASDAQ-SCHL-1085714.htm |publisher=Scholastic |date=2009-12-03 |accessdate=2009-12-03 }}</ref><br />
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==Synopsis==<br />
===Setting===<br />
''Catching Fire'' takes place in a fictional country called Panem, which is located in what was once the United States and Canada. The Capitol, the chief city and seat of government, is located somewhere in the Rocky Mountains.<ref name="Collins, Suzanne 2008 p. 41">Collins, Suzanne (2008). ''The Hunger Games''. Scholastic. p. 41. ISBN 978-0-439-02348-1.</ref> District 12, Katniss' home, is located in the coal-rich [[Appalachian Mountains|Appalachian region]].<ref name="Collins, Suzanne 2008 p. 41"/> There are a total of 12 Districts, but there once was a 13th, which was destroyed in a rebellion against the Capitol. The Hunger Games take place annually in an arena specially built for the event in an unidentified location.<br />
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===Plot===<br />
After winning the 74th Hunger Games in the previous novel, [[Katniss Everdeen]] and [[Peeta Mellark]] return home to [[The Hunger Games universe#District 12|District 12]], the poorest sector in the country of [[The Hunger Games universe#Panem|Panem]]. On the day that Katniss and Peeta are to start a "Victory Tour" of the country, she is visited by [[President Snow]]. President Snow explains that he is angry with her for breaking the rules at the end of the last Hunger Games, which permitted them both to win. President Snow tells Katniss that when she defied the Capitol, she inspired rebellion in the districts. In order for Katniss' loved ones to avoid retaliation by Snow, she must convince Snow himself that she and Peeta are in love.<br />
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The first stop on the Victory Tour is District 11, the home of Katniss' friend and ally in the Hunger Games, [[List of Characters in the Hunger Games trilogy#District 11|Rue]], before she died. During the ceremony, Katniss and Peeta deliver quick speeches to the people of District 11, thanking them for their tributes. When the speeches conclude, an old man whistles a tune that Katniss used in the arena to tell Rue that she was safe. The song acts as a signal and everyone salutes Katniss using the same gesture that she used to say farewell to Rue. Katniss and Peeta then proceed to travel to all of the twelve districts and the Capitol. During an interview, Peeta proposes to Katniss publicly, hoping to settle the dispute between Katniss and President Snow. Despite this, Katniss learns that their attempts of subduing rebellion in the districts and convincing Snow of their relationship have failed. Shortly after returning to District 12, Katniss encounters two runaways from District 8. They explain a theory that District 13 was not wiped out by the Capitol and that its residents have gone underground. President Snow announces that, for the 75th Hunger Games, a "Quarter Quell" that allows the Gamemakers to add a twist, 24 victors from previous years will be forced to compete once again. Katniss resolves to save Peeta, who will almost certainly be the male tribute. Haymitch reveals that he had already agreed to help Peeta accomplish the same for Katniss, but still agrees to help Katniss.<br />
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After arriving at the Capitol, Katniss and Peeta look for potential allies among the other tributes. Katniss meets [[List of Characters in the Hunger Games trilogy#District 4|Finnick Odair]], a 24-year-old man who successfully survived the Games at the age of 14, and [[List of Characters in the Hunger Games trilogy#District 4|Mags]], Finnick's 80-year-old mentor, both from District 4. She also meets [[List of Characters in the Hunger Games trilogy#District 3|Beetee and Wiress]], an older couple from District 3 who are said to be "exceptionally smart" and adept at working with electronics. Beetee and Wiress tell Katniss that the Capitol leaves the control panels for their force fields vulnerable in plain sight. <br />
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The Games take place on a beach and jungle terrain, with a dome shaped force field enclosing the tributes. The arena is set up to resemble an analog clock with one lethal event occurring every hour on a twelve hour cycle. When the Games start, Katniss and Peeta form an impromptu alliance with Finnick and Mags. They try to find the arenas parameters, but Peeta runs into the force field at the edge, stopping his heart. Finnick is able to perform CPR to revive him, although Peeta is weakened from the incident. At noon, lightning strikes a tree nearby, and the next hour the Gamemakers release a poisonous fog in the group's location. The fog causes muscle spasms and prevents them from running while carrying Mags and Peeta. Mags sacrifices herself so the other three can escape. After Mags' death, lightning strikes again at midnight and the group is attacked by monkey muttations, but all three survive, thanks to the female tribute from District 6 sacrificing herself to save Peeta. Katniss, Peeta and Finnick join forces with [[List of Characters in the Hunger Games trilogy#District 7|Johanna Mason]], a sarcastic and often cruel victor from District 7, an injured Beetee, and Wiress, who is in shock and repeatedly mumbles "tick tock". From Wiress' words, Katniss realizes that the arena is arranged like a clock, with the Gamemakers' disasters occurring on a timed chart, signaled by the lightning. <br />
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While gathered at the central cornucopia the careers attack the group, killing Wiress, and a battle ensues until the Gamemakers cut it short by shifting the terrain. Beetee devises a plan to harness the arena's lightning to supposedly electrocute the rest of the career tributes. At night the group splits to prepare for the plan, but is attacked separately by the remaining tributes. Katniss is knocked out and has her tracer removed by Johanna. Johanna then leads the two remaining careers away from Katniss. An injured Katniss directs the lightning at the force field's control panel with an arrow tied to the wire, destroying the arena forcefield and resulting in her temporary [[paralysis]]. When she wakes up, she is being transported to District 13: a place that is widely thought to no longer exist. She is joined by Finnick, Beetee, and Haymitch, but learns that Peeta and Johanna have been captured by the Capitol. Katniss is informed that from the beginning, there had been a plan among most of the tributes, Haymitch, and head Gamemaker Plutarch to break her and Peeta out of the arena. The book ends when Katniss' best friend, Gale, comes to visit her and informs her that, though he got her family out in time, District 12 has been bombed and destroyed.<br />
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==Publication history==<br />
''Catching Fire'' had a preliminary [[hardcover]] release date of September 8, 2009 which was moved up to September 1, 2009 in response to requests by retailers to move the release to before [[Labor Day]] and the start of school for many readers.<ref name="Print Run"/> It was also published as an audiobook on on the same day.<ref name="amazon">{{cite web|url=http://www.amazon.com/dp/978-0-439-02349-8|title=Amazon Catching Fire|work=[[Amazon.com|Amazon]]|accessdate=22 July 2010}}</ref> [[Advance copy|Advance reading copies]] were available at [[BookExpo America]] in New York City,<ref name="Roback">{{cite web |url=http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6631377.html |title='Hunger Games 2': A First Look |accessdate=2009-01-26|first=Diane|last= Roback|work=[[Publishers Weekly]]|date=2009-01-22|archiveurl=http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090125052719/http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6631377.html?|archivedate=January 25, 2009}}</ref> and were sent out to some booksellers, and offered as prizes in [[Scholastic Corporation|Scholastic's]] "How Would You Survive" writing contest in May 2009. An eBook version was also published on June 3, 2010.<ref name="amazon"/> ''Catching Fire'' had an initial print of 350,000 copies.<ref name="Print Run">{{cite web |url=http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/new-titles/on-sale-calendar/article/8278-the-on-sale-calendar-september-2009-children-s-books-.html|title= The On-Sale Calendar: September 2009 Children's Books | work=[[Publishers Weekly]]|date=1 July 2009|accessdate=3 April 2011 }}</ref> The book has over 750,000 copies in print.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-book-news/article/42030-mockingjay-to-conclude-the-hunger-games-trilogy-.html|title='Mockingjay' to Conclude the Hunger Games Trilogy|last=Roback|first=Diane|date=February 11, 2010|work=[[Publishers Weekly]]|accessdate=16 July 2010}}</ref><br />
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==Themes==<br />
One of the main themes in the book is survival.<ref name="booklist"/><br />
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Another main theme is [[interdependence]] versus [[independence]]. As one reviewer noted, "In ''The Hunger Games'' book 2, Katniss and Peeta are definitely interdependent. They are both helping each other to survive. As a matter of fact, they want the other one to survive more than they do themselves." The reviewer goes on to comment how this actually increases the chances of each character dying.<ref name="Dill">{{cite web|url=http://www.brighthub.com/education/homework-tips/articles/52826.aspx|title= Novel Study Guides : Themes in Catching Fire by Suzanne Collins | last=Dill|first=Margo|date=July 15, 2010|accessdate=22 July 2010}}</ref><br />
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Government control is another important theme throughout the book and the series. After overpowering the first rebellion, the Capitol sets up rules in order to restrict and control the citizens' lives. Examples include how, "the 75th annual Hunger Games have 'new' rules that cause Katniss and Peeta to be in danger once again. More 'Peacekeepers' are placed in districts to squash any hope that the citizens started to have after the last Hunger Games."<ref name="Dill"/> Other themes in the book include morality, obedience, sacrifice, redemption, love, and law.<ref name="booklist"/><br />
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==Critical reception==<br />
''Catching Fire'' received mainly positive reviews from critics. ''[[Publishers Weekly]]'' wrote, "If this second installment spends too much time recapping events from book one, it doesn't disappoint when it segues into the pulse-pounding action readers have come to expect."<ref>{{cite web |title=Children's Book Reviews: 6/22/2009 |url=http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6665995.html?q=catching+fire |work=[[Publishers Weekly]] |date=2009-06-22 |accessdate=2009-06-29 }} {{Dead link|date=October 2010|bot=H3llBot}}</ref> ''[[Booklist]]'' commented on how the "unadorned prose provides an open window to perfect pacing and electrifying world building".<ref name="booklist">{{cite web|url=http://booklistonline.com/default.aspx?page=show_product&pid=3584719|title=Booklist Catching Fire Review|last=Chipman|first=Ian|work = [[Booklist]]|accessdate=21 July 2010}}</ref> A review from ''[[The New York Times]]'' also gave a positive review, writing, "Collins has done that rare thing. She has written a sequel that improves upon the first book. As a reader, I felt excited and even hopeful: could it be that this series and its characters were actually going somewhere?" and also praised how Katniss became more sophisticated in the book.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/books/review/Zevin-t.html |title= Constant Craving |last=Zevin|first=Gabrielle|date=October 9, 2009|work = [[The New York Times]] |accessdate=21 July 2010}}</ref> ''The Plain Dealer'' wrote, "The very last sentence of ''Catching Fire'' will leave readers gasping. Not to mention primed for part three."<ref name="cleveland">{{cite web|url=http://www.cleveland.com/bookreviews/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-1/125213948127050.xml&coll=2|title= 'Catching Fire' brings back Suzanne Collins' kindhearted killer: Young Readers |last=Welch|first=Rollie|date=September 6, 2009|work = The Plain Dealer |accessdate=21 July 2010}}</ref><br />
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However, not all reviews were positive. The same review from ''The Plain Dealer '' became annoyed at how, "after 150 pages of romantic dithering, I was tapping my foot to move on."<ref name="cleveland"/> A review from ''[[Entertainment Weekly]]'' called the book weaker than the first and wrote, "Katniss pretends to be in love with her sweet-natured Games teammate Peeta Mellark, but she secretly pines for brooding Gale, a childhood friend. Except&nbsp;— why? There's little distinction between the two thinly imagined guys, other than the fact that Peeta has a dopier name. Collins conjures none of the erotic energy that makes ''[[Twilight (novel)|Twilight]]'', for instance, so creepily alluring."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20300507,00.html|title= Catching Fire (2009) |last=Reese|first=Jennifer|date=August 28, 2009|work = [[Entertainment Weekly]] |accessdate=21 July 2010}}</ref><br />
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In addition, ''[[Time (magazine)|Time]]'' magazine named ''Catching Fire'' the fourth top fiction book of 2009,<ref>{{cite news |title=The Top 10 Everything of 2009 |url=http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1945379_1943868_1943876,00.html |work=[[Time (magazine)|Time]]|date=2009-12-08 |accessdate=2010-01-10}}</ref> while ''[[People (magazine)|People]]'' magazine rated it their eighth Best Book of 2009.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://bookguideatlcl.blogspot.com/2010/01/people-magazines-top-10-books-of-2009.html|title=People Magazine's Top Ten Books of 2009|work = BookGuide |date=January 2010|accessdate=November 7, 2010}}</ref> It also won ''Publishers Weekly''{{'s}} Best Book of the Year for 2009 award.<ref>{{cite web |first=Lev |last=Grossman |url=http://store.scholastic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_The+Hunger+Games+%232:+Catching+Fire_37030_-1_10052_10051 |title=Scholastic Catching Fire page |date=8 December 2009 |accessdate=22 July 2010}}</ref><br />
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==Film adaptation==<br />
[[Lionsgate]] announced that a film adaption of ''Catching Fire'' will be released November 22, 2013,<ref>{{cite web|first=Joshua L|last=Weinstein|url=http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/hunger-games-sequel-set-2013-release-29880|title= The Hunger Games Sequel Set for 2013 Release|work=The Wrap|date=August 8, 2011|accessdate=August 15, 2011}}</ref> as a sequel to the [[The Hunger Games (film)|film adaption of ''The Hunger Games'']], which was released March 23, 2012.<ref>{{cite web|first=Karen|last=Valby|url=http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/01/25/hunger-games-release-date/|title='The Hunger Games' gets release date|work = [[Entertainment Weekly]] |date=January 25, 2011|accessdate=August 15, 2011}}</ref><br />
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==References==<br />
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==External links==<br />
* [http://www.suzannecollinsbooks.com/ Suzanne Collins' official website]<br />
* [http://www.scholastic.com/thehungergames/ Scholastic Official Site]<br />
* [http://thehungergames.wikia.com/wiki/Catching_Fire Catching Fire] at the Hunger Games Wiki.<br />
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<div>{{Infobox Book<br />
| name = Catching Fire<br />
| image = [[File:Catching fire.JPG|200px]]<br />
| author = [[Suzanne Collins]]<br />
| cover_artist = [[Tim O'Brien (illustrator)|Tim O'Brien]]<br />
| country = [[United States]]<br />
| language = English<br />
| genre = [[Science fiction]]/<br />[[Young-adult fiction|Young adult]]<br />
| publisher = [[Scholastic Corporation|Scholastic]]<br />
| release_date = September 1, 2009<br />
| media_type = Print ([[Hardcover]])<br />
| pages = 391<br />
| isbn = 978-0-439-02349-8<br />
| congress= PZ7.C6837 Cat 2009<br />
| dewey = [Fic] 22<br />
| oclc= 288932790<br />
| preceded_by = [[The Hunger Games]]<br />
| followed_by = [[Mockingjay]]<br />
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'''''Catching Fire''''' is the second book in ''The Hunger Games Trilogy'' by [[Suzanne Collins]]. As the sequel to the 2008 bestseller ''[[The Hunger Games]]'', it continues the story of [[Katniss Everdeen]] and the fictional, futuristic nation of Panem. Following the events of the previous novel, a rebellion against the oppressive Capitol has begun, and Katniss and fellow tribute [[Peeta Mellark|Peeta]] are forced to return to the arena in a [[Quarter Quell|special edition]] of the [[The Hunger Games universe#The Hunger Games|Hunger Games]]. The book was released September 1, 2009,<ref>{{cite web|title=The Hunger Games|publisher=Scholastic| url =http://www.scholastic.com/thehungergames/about-the-book.htm|accessdate=2009-03-09 }}</ref> and was later released in eBook and audiobook format. Some information says that the film will come out in November 2013.<br />
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Major themes include survival, government control, rebellion and interdependence vs. independence. ''Catching Fire'' has received mostly positive reviews. Reviewers praised the prose, the ending, and how Katniss became more sophisticated. The third and final novel in the series, ''[[Mockingjay]]'', was released August 24, 2010.<ref>{{cite web |first=Keith|last= Staskiewicz |title=Final 'Hunger Games' novel has been given a title and a cover |url=http://shelf-life.ew.com/2010/02/11/final-hunger-games-novel-has-been-given-a-title-and-a-cover/ |work=[[Entertainment Weekly]] |date=2010-02-11 |accessdate=2010-02-11 }}</ref><ref name="third">{{cite press release |title=Suzanne Collins's Third Book in the Hunger Games Trilogy to Be Published by Scholastic on August 24, 2010 |url=http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Suzanne-Collinss-Third-Book-Hunger-Games-Trilogy-Be-Published-Scholastic-on-August-24-NASDAQ-SCHL-1085714.htm |publisher=Scholastic |date=2009-12-03 |accessdate=2009-12-03 }}</ref><br />
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==Synopsis==<br />
===Setting===<br />
''Catching Fire'' takes place in a fictional country called Panem, which is located in what was once the United States and Canada. The Capitol, the chief city and seat of government, is located somewhere in the Rocky Mountains.<ref name="Collins, Suzanne 2008 p. 41">Collins, Suzanne (2008). ''The Hunger Games''. Scholastic. p. 41. ISBN 978-0-439-02348-1.</ref> District 12, Katniss' home, is located in the coal-rich [[Appalachian Mountains|Appalachian region]].<ref name="Collins, Suzanne 2008 p. 41"/> There are a total of 12 Districts, but there once was a 13th, which was destroyed in a rebellion against the Capitol. The Hunger Games take place annually in an arena specially built for the event in an unidentified location.<br />
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===Plot===<br />
After winning the 74th Hunger Games in the previous novel, [[Katniss Everdeen]] and [[Peeta Mellark]] return home to [[The Hunger Games universe#District 12|District 12]], the poorest sector in the country of [[The Hunger Games universe#Panem|Panem]]. On the day that Katniss and Peeta are to start a "Victory Tour" of the country, she is visited by [[President Snow]]. President Snow explains that he is angry with her for breaking the rules at the end of the last Hunger Games, which permitted them both to win. President Snow tells Katniss that when she defied the Capitol, she inspired rebellion in the districts. In order for Katniss' loved ones to avoid retaliation by Snow, she must convince Snow himself that she and Peeta are in love.<br />
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The first stop on the Victory Tour is District 11, the home of Katniss' friend and ally in the Hunger Games, [[List of Characters in the Hunger Games trilogy#District 11|Rue]], before she died. During the ceremony, Katniss and Peeta deliver quick speeches to the people of District 11, thanking them for their tributes. When the speeches conclude, an old man whistles a tune that Katniss used in the arena to tell Rue that she was safe. The song acts as a signal and everyone salutes Katniss using the same gesture that she used to say farewell to Rue. Katniss and Peeta then proceed to travel to all of the twelve districts and the Capitol. During an interview, Peeta proposes to Katniss publicly, hoping to settle the dispute between Katniss and President Snow. Despite this, Katniss learns that their attempts of subduing rebellion in the districts and convincing Snow of their relationship have failed. Shortly after returning to District 12, Katniss encounters two runaways from District 8. They explain a theory that District 13 was not wiped out by the Capitol and that its residents have gone underground. President Snow announces that, for the 75th Hunger Games, a "Quarter Quell" that allows the Gamemakers to add a twist, 24 victors from previous years will be forced to compete once again. Katniss resolves to save Peeta, who will almost certainly be the male tribute. Haymitch reveals that he had already agreed to help Peeta accomplish the same for Katniss, but still agrees to help Katniss.<br />
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After arriving at the Capitol, Katniss and Peeta look for potential allies among the other tributes. Katniss meets [[List of Characters in the Hunger Games trilogy#District 4|Finnick Odair]], a 24-year-old man who successfully survived the Games at the age of 14, and [[List of Characters in the Hunger Games trilogy#District 4|Mags]], Finnick's 80-year-old mentor, both from District 4. She also meets [[List of Characters in the Hunger Games trilogy#District 3|Beetee and Wiress]], an older couple from District 3 who are said to be "exceptionally smart" and adept at working with electronics. Beetee and Wiress tell Katniss that the Capitol leaves the control panels for their force fields vulnerable in plain sight. <br />
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The Games take place on a beach and jungle terrain, with a dome shaped force field enclosing the tributes. The arena is set up to resemble an analog clock with one lethal event occurring every hour on a twelve hour cycle. When the Games start, Katniss and Peeta form an impromptu alliance with Finnick and Mags. They try to find the arenas parameters, but Peeta runs into the force field at the edge, stopping his heart. Finnick is able to perform CPR to revive him, although Peeta is weakened from the incident. At noon, lightning strikes a tree nearby, and the next hour the Gamemakers release a poisonous fog in the group's location. The fog causes muscle spasms and prevents them from running while carrying Mags and Peeta. Mags sacrifices herself so the other three can escape. After Mags' death, lightning strikes again at midnight and the group is attacked by monkey muttations, but all three survive, thanks to the a tribute sacrificing himself to save Peeta. Katniss, Peeta and Finnick join forces with [[List of Characters in the Hunger Games trilogy#District 7|Johanna Mason]], a sarcastic and often cruel victor from District 7, an injured Beetee, and Wiress, who is in shock and repeatedly mumbles "tick tock". From Wiress' words, Katniss realizes that the arena is arranged like a clock, with the Gamemakers' disasters occurring on a timed chart, signaled by the lightning. <br />
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While gathered at the central cornucopia other tributes attack the group, killing Wiress, and a battle ensues until the Gamemakers cut it short by shifting the terrain. Beetee devises a plan to harness the arena's lightning to supposedly electrocute the rest of the career tributes. At night the group splits to prepare for the plan, but is attacked separately by the remaining tributes. Katniss is knocked out and has he tracing bug removed by Johanna. Johanna then leads the two remaining careers away from Katniss. An injured Katniss directs the lightning at the force field's control panel with an arrow tied to the wire, destroying the arena forcefield and resulting in her temporary [[paralysis]]. When she wakes up, she is being transported to District 13: a place that is widely thought to no longer exist. She is joined by Finnick, Beetee, and Haymitch, but learns that Peeta and Johanna have been captured by the Capitol. Katniss is informed that from the beginning, there had been a plan among most of the tributes, Haymitch, and head Gamemaker Plutarch to break her and Peeta out of the arena. The book ends when Katniss' best friend, Gale, comes to visit her and informs her that, though he got her family out in time, District 12 has been bombed and destroyed.<br />
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==Publication history==<br />
''Catching Fire'' had a preliminary [[hardcover]] release date of September 8, 2009 which was moved up to September 1, 2009 in response to requests by retailers to move the release to before [[Labor Day]] and the start of school for many readers.<ref name="Print Run"/> It was also published as an audiobook on on the same day.<ref name="amazon">{{cite web|url=http://www.amazon.com/dp/978-0-439-02349-8|title=Amazon Catching Fire|work=[[Amazon.com|Amazon]]|accessdate=22 July 2010}}</ref> [[Advance copy|Advance reading copies]] were available at [[BookExpo America]] in New York City,<ref name="Roback">{{cite web |url=http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6631377.html |title='Hunger Games 2': A First Look |accessdate=2009-01-26|first=Diane|last= Roback|work=[[Publishers Weekly]]|date=2009-01-22|archiveurl=http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090125052719/http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6631377.html?|archivedate=January 25, 2009}}</ref> and were sent out to some booksellers, and offered as prizes in [[Scholastic Corporation|Scholastic's]] "How Would You Survive" writing contest in May 2009. An eBook version was also published on June 3, 2010.<ref name="amazon"/> ''Catching Fire'' had an initial print of 350,000 copies.<ref name="Print Run">{{cite web |url=http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/new-titles/on-sale-calendar/article/8278-the-on-sale-calendar-september-2009-children-s-books-.html|title= The On-Sale Calendar: September 2009 Children's Books | work=[[Publishers Weekly]]|date=1 July 2009|accessdate=3 April 2011 }}</ref> The book has over 750,000 copies in print.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-book-news/article/42030-mockingjay-to-conclude-the-hunger-games-trilogy-.html|title='Mockingjay' to Conclude the Hunger Games Trilogy|last=Roback|first=Diane|date=February 11, 2010|work=[[Publishers Weekly]]|accessdate=16 July 2010}}</ref><br />
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==Themes==<br />
One of the main themes in the book is survival.<ref name="booklist"/><br />
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Another main theme is [[interdependence]] versus [[independence]]. As one reviewer noted, "In ''The Hunger Games'' book 2, Katniss and Peeta are definitely interdependent. They are both helping each other to survive. As a matter of fact, they want the other one to survive more than they do themselves." The reviewer goes on to comment how this actually increases the chances of each character dying.<ref name="Dill">{{cite web|url=http://www.brighthub.com/education/homework-tips/articles/52826.aspx|title= Novel Study Guides : Themes in Catching Fire by Suzanne Collins | last=Dill|first=Margo|date=July 15, 2010|accessdate=22 July 2010}}</ref><br />
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Government control is another important theme throughout the book and the series. After overpowering the first rebellion, the Capitol sets up rules in order to restrict and control the citizens' lives. Examples include how, "the 75th annual Hunger Games have 'new' rules that cause Katniss and Peeta to be in danger once again. More 'Peacekeepers' are placed in districts to squash any hope that the citizens started to have after the last Hunger Games."<ref name="Dill"/> Other themes in the book include morality, obedience, sacrifice, redemption, love, and law.<ref name="booklist"/><br />
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==Critical reception==<br />
''Catching Fire'' received mainly positive reviews from critics. ''[[Publishers Weekly]]'' wrote, "If this second installment spends too much time recapping events from book one, it doesn't disappoint when it segues into the pulse-pounding action readers have come to expect."<ref>{{cite web |title=Children's Book Reviews: 6/22/2009 |url=http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6665995.html?q=catching+fire |work=[[Publishers Weekly]] |date=2009-06-22 |accessdate=2009-06-29 }} {{Dead link|date=October 2010|bot=H3llBot}}</ref> ''[[Booklist]]'' commented on how the "unadorned prose provides an open window to perfect pacing and electrifying world building".<ref name="booklist">{{cite web|url=http://booklistonline.com/default.aspx?page=show_product&pid=3584719|title=Booklist Catching Fire Review|last=Chipman|first=Ian|work = [[Booklist]]|accessdate=21 July 2010}}</ref> A review from ''[[The New York Times]]'' also gave a positive review, writing, "Collins has done that rare thing. She has written a sequel that improves upon the first book. As a reader, I felt excited and even hopeful: could it be that this series and its characters were actually going somewhere?" and also praised how Katniss became more sophisticated in the book.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/books/review/Zevin-t.html |title= Constant Craving |last=Zevin|first=Gabrielle|date=October 9, 2009|work = [[The New York Times]] |accessdate=21 July 2010}}</ref> ''The Plain Dealer'' wrote, "The very last sentence of ''Catching Fire'' will leave readers gasping. Not to mention primed for part three."<ref name="cleveland">{{cite web|url=http://www.cleveland.com/bookreviews/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-1/125213948127050.xml&coll=2|title= 'Catching Fire' brings back Suzanne Collins' kindhearted killer: Young Readers |last=Welch|first=Rollie|date=September 6, 2009|work = The Plain Dealer |accessdate=21 July 2010}}</ref><br />
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However, not all reviews were positive. The same review from ''The Plain Dealer '' became annoyed at how, "after 150 pages of romantic dithering, I was tapping my foot to move on."<ref name="cleveland"/> A review from ''[[Entertainment Weekly]]'' called the book weaker than the first and wrote, "Katniss pretends to be in love with her sweet-natured Games teammate Peeta Mellark, but she secretly pines for brooding Gale, a childhood friend. Except&nbsp;— why? There's little distinction between the two thinly imagined guys, other than the fact that Peeta has a dopier name. Collins conjures none of the erotic energy that makes ''[[Twilight (novel)|Twilight]]'', for instance, so creepily alluring."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20300507,00.html|title= Catching Fire (2009) |last=Reese|first=Jennifer|date=August 28, 2009|work = [[Entertainment Weekly]] |accessdate=21 July 2010}}</ref><br />
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In addition, ''[[Time (magazine)|Time]]'' magazine named ''Catching Fire'' the fourth top fiction book of 2009,<ref>{{cite news |title=The Top 10 Everything of 2009 |url=http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1945379_1943868_1943876,00.html |work=[[Time (magazine)|Time]]|date=2009-12-08 |accessdate=2010-01-10}}</ref> while ''[[People (magazine)|People]]'' magazine rated it their eighth Best Book of 2009.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://bookguideatlcl.blogspot.com/2010/01/people-magazines-top-10-books-of-2009.html|title=People Magazine's Top Ten Books of 2009|work = BookGuide |date=January 2010|accessdate=November 7, 2010}}</ref> It also won ''Publishers Weekly''{{'s}} Best Book of the Year for 2009 award.<ref>{{cite web |first=Lev |last=Grossman |url=http://store.scholastic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_The+Hunger+Games+%232:+Catching+Fire_37030_-1_10052_10051 |title=Scholastic Catching Fire page |date=8 December 2009 |accessdate=22 July 2010}}</ref><br />
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==Film adaptation==<br />
[[Lionsgate]] announced that a film adaption of ''Catching Fire'' will be released November 22, 2013,<ref>{{cite web|first=Joshua L|last=Weinstein|url=http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/hunger-games-sequel-set-2013-release-29880|title= The Hunger Games Sequel Set for 2013 Release|work=The Wrap|date=August 8, 2011|accessdate=August 15, 2011}}</ref> as a sequel to the [[The Hunger Games (film)|film adaption of ''The Hunger Games'']], which was released March 23, 2012.<ref>{{cite web|first=Karen|last=Valby|url=http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/01/25/hunger-games-release-date/|title='The Hunger Games' gets release date|work = [[Entertainment Weekly]] |date=January 25, 2011|accessdate=August 15, 2011}}</ref><br />
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* [http://www.suzannecollinsbooks.com/ Suzanne Collins' official website]<br />
* [http://www.scholastic.com/thehungergames/ Scholastic Official Site]<br />
* [http://thehungergames.wikia.com/wiki/Catching_Fire Catching Fire] at the Hunger Games Wiki.<br />
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==Online pass==<br />
"By purchasing copies of Battlefield 3, players will receive a Mass Effect 3 online pass" You do not get a Mass Effect 3 Online Pass from Battlefield 3, you get a Battlefield 3 Online Pass which grants early access to the multiplayer demo of Mass Effect 3. [[User:EasilyLost|EasilyLost]] ([[User talk:EasilyLost|talk]]) 14:58, 27 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Good catch! You're right and I've corrected the wording. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><font face="Old English Text MT">Swarm</font></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><font face="old english text mt">X</font></span>]]</sup> 08:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== PAL release date 09.03.2012 == <br />
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== Trailer released ==<br />
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The game's teaser trailer was released at the Spike VGAs today. Synopsis on the article seems to reflect it. Not much more info than that though. '''<sub><font color="#4B0000">Eric</font></sub><small><font color="#550000">Leb</font></small><sup><font color="#660000">01</font></sup> <small>([[User:Ericleb01|Page]] &#124; [[User talk:Ericleb01|Talk]])</small>''' 01:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Do we really need a blow by blow description of the trailer? I've cut out the speculation in it but we really just need a source saying a teaser was released, and a very brief description of it. The whole contents of the trailer is not historically notable - and we cannot come to conclusions on it's overall relevance to the plot. '''Rehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 19:00, 12 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I don't think we need that huge description. Maybe just drop a line like you were saying in the development section. (ktmartell) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ktmartell|Ktmartell]] ([[User talk:Ktmartell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ktmartell|contribs]]) 00:17, 11 February 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Holiday? ==<br />
This may sound like a dumb question, but not everybody is from the US. If ME3 is release during "Holiday 2011", if I chose not to go on holiday in 2011, does this mean that it won't be released. Or, being as the first public holiday of 2011 is New Year's Day... you see where I'm going. Please change the term or at least add a description so that the rest of the world knows just what the hell you're on about here (like summer, autumn (fall), winter, christmas - it doesn't have to be exact but there are a lot of "holidays" - just need to narrow it down). [[User:Kendroche|Angry Mustelid]] ([[User talk:Kendroche|talk]]) 21:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I always thought "Holiday 2011" referred to the US Thanksgiving/Christmas period, if that's so I suppose an international wording would be Q4 2010. '''Rehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 21:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
*:Bioware, a ''[[Canada|Canadian]]'' company, announced the release date for "Holiday 2011". The word is in quotation marks and referenced; it is also wikilinked, for anyone who doesn't understand, to [[Christmas and holiday season]]. "Q4" means any time from the beginning of October to the end of December; "Holiday" (as in the "holiday season") traditionally goes from [[black Friday|late November]] to the first or second week in January. This being a game release, it's likely to be before Christmas. Therefore, 'Holiday' is a much more narrow and detailed term than Q4. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><font face="Old English Text MT">Swarm</font></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><font face="old english text mt">X</font></span>]]</sup> 23:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
*Main problem being that "Holiday" refers to summer, not Q4 in Europe. I've tagged it with "Nov/Dec" for clarity and secularity.[[User:Kendroche|Angry Mustelid]] ([[User talk:Kendroche|talk]]) 01:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, the holiday article here suggests "holiday season" is used in the UK too, but when I think of "holiday 2011", I think of the summer. '''Rehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 02:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::This really is a non-issue. Just wikilink holiday season (it redirects to [[Christmas and holiday season]]), no discussion needed. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><font face="Old English Text MT">Swarm</font></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><font face="old english text mt">X</font></span>]]</sup> 02:51, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: As previously mentioned, somewhat, wouldn't Q4 encompass the North American holidays, anyway, AND be an international method of indicating the approximate timeframe? I suppose that using the direct quote is more precise, though, but the fact that you need to mouse-over the link to see where it leads to understand that it refers to the Christmas season isn't very user-friendly and doesn't convey the information very quickly to the reader. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02b">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;<span style="font-size: 0.9em;">([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User:Gary King/Scripts|<font color="02e">scripts</font>]])</span></font> 05:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Should be fine now, no? ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><font face="Old English Text MT">Swarm</font></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><font face="old english text mt">X</font></span>]]</sup> 00:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I live in Argentina, and holidays here, are on summer (December). As a kid, I lived in UK, and holidays there, are also in December; June. Why do you suppose a north-american company would mean Q4 by saying holiday - holiday=December only in the southern hemisphere. I read the above discussion, but you're just *clarifying* what you think they mean; is there no official announcement that's a bit more specific? [[User:Hugo 87|HuGo_87]] ([[User talk:Hugo 87|talk]]) 06:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, they're very Northern Hemisphere-oriented, that's the problem, so they assume most people will think November to December when they say such things, either not realising or not caring that it might be a bit confusing to our brothers in the Southern Hemisphere. Nope, they're not gonna give us the info more precisely I'm said to say. [[Flinders Petrie|Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie]] [[user_talk:Flinders Petrie|Say Shalom!]] 06:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::They're a Canadian company, and in Canada and the US "holiday season" '''only''' refers to what some call the [[Christmas season]]. There's ''never'' any clarification needed, that's just the societal name for it. Otherwise, North America uses "vacation" where other countries use "holidays". For example, what the UK calls the "summer holidays" we in North America call "summer vacation". It's a clear, definite and indisputable distinction in North American English. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><font face="Old English Text MT">Swarm</font></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><font face="old english text mt">X</font></span>]]</sup> 02:08, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[[Special:Contributions/134.243.210.54|134.243.210.54]] ([[User talk:134.243.210.54|talk]]) 02:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
Wow I cannot believe someone thought that this was worth arguing about. Yes I realize that when they say "Holiday Season" the wording may be confusing to people that use the word "holiday" to mean something akin to taking time off or going on a trip. But seriously did you think that they were going to release the game when you personally took time off to take a trip? It isn't like the people at BioWare are sitting their wiating for you to take a vacation to give you the option to buy a game. I think you are an angry little person who feels that any "North American" company who does world wide business should use the vocabulary that your home country uses. Well guess what they aren't and you perfectly well knew what they meant so stop trying to make a point when there is not one to make. Sure they should use the terms "Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4" but many people wouldn't understand those and would be here complaining that they should use terms like "Holiday Season".<br />
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== Not Necessarily the Last Game ==<br />
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Hi all. Any Mass Effect fan worth his salt would know that the series was originally planned as a trilogy, and this may very well still be the case, but as of now, there is still a possibility that Bioware may expand the franchise further and create more games, as speculated by this site:<br />
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/12/13/mass-effect-3-announced/1<br />
While one has reason to be skeptical, the mentioned site is just one of the many places where it is said that the Mass Effect 3 might just 'not' be the final game.<br />
For this reason, i believe it would be more suitable for the article to have a reference to this alongside the mention of it being the 'final' game. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.57.50.221|81.57.50.221]] ([[User talk:81.57.50.221|talk]]) 14:29, 30 December 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:I think it was always presumed that while the Mass Effect "trilogy" had a beginning, middle and an end, this was only in terms of Shepard's story. Other games are probably likely, starring new/other characters, but at this point it's all speculation, we'd need more solid sourcing than a passing mention such as this, so far the coverage has been saying this ''will'' be the final game. "''Shadows on the silver. And silence. The circle closed.''" and all that. '''Rehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 14:39, 30 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Not sure where I read this, but pretty sure somebody official said ME3 is the final game in <b>Shepard's story</b> as in there may/may not be other games set in the same universe, it just won't be about Shepard.[[Special:Contributions/202.53.199.23|202.53.199.23]] ([[User talk:202.53.199.23|talk]]) 04:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I think you're right and it will be like the Pirates films where they have a fourth film and different story (still with Depp ofc, but Bloom's story is over). They might do what Ubisoft is doing with AC except make neat little trilogies for each character's story arc. If it sells, don't put it to rest. Ofc we'll need more sources to confirm that.[[User:Hpelgrift|Hpelgrift]] ([[User talk:Hpelgrift|talk]]) 17:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Development section? ==<br />
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Hey guys. I think a development section where Casey Hudson's comments and some information about the trailer could be put would be a very useful tool. We could also put something in about the recent announcement of the game's score-composer, who I do not know the name of off the top of my head but who is apparently an Academy Award-Winner.<br />
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EDIT: I went ahead and made the changes I was thinking about, although it made the introduction a little bare. Thoughts? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/152.7.8.181|152.7.8.181]] ([[User talk:152.7.8.181|talk]]) 20:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Music: Wall and Hulick leaving the series ==<br />
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Here are the sources. Jack wall's forum post: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/5987442/10#5991831<br />
Jack Wall's tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/WALLofSOUND/status/35746918587961345<br />
Sam Hulick's tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/SamHulick/status/35697479852756992<br />
Sam hulick's facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/#!/samhulick<br />
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== Everything Has Been Organized ==<br />
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Hey. I took all the information and organized it into sections based around what is present in the Ocarina of Time article, which is a featured article.<br />
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I also deleted some information that was getting repetitive. For example, I know there is a Release section, but there is no reason for the release date to repeated three or four times.<br />
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Finally, I made sure titles were formatted the same way. All titles are now formatted in italics, as opposed to some being in italics and some being bold. We need to come to a consensus on this! :D<br />
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== "Reapers coming to destroy human race" ==<br />
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Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but aren't the Reapers coming to destroy the intelligent races of the Milky Way who utilize Mass Relays and Mass Effect technologies?<br />
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They'd probably go for humans first, but I doubt they'd stop there. [[Special:Contributions/67.194.184.86|67.194.184.86]] ([[User talk:67.194.184.86|talk]]) 10:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:If my memory suits me they basically pwn the hell out of any race that is either capable of space-travel or has reached a certain point in its technological development every 50.000 years, and yeah that includes able to use Mass Relays and Mass Effect. Not very friendly folks imo. [[User:Hpelgrift|Hpelgrift]] ([[User talk:Hpelgrift|talk]]) 17:29, 12 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ME3 engine ==<br />
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I know that ME2 on PS3 used the "Mass Effect 3 engine", yet the visuals looked exactly the same. Is the ME3 engine the same as [[Unreal Engine 3.5]]? <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:4px ridge blue; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em blue; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em blue; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:black">[[User:TehMissingLink|''<span style="font-family:verdana; color:blue;">TehMissingLink</span>'']] [[User talk:TehMissingLink|<sup>''<span style="color:red; font-family:verdana">Talk</span>''</sup>]]</span> 20:57, 15 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Our article on the Unreal Engine has no information about a version 3.5 (btw, on a side note, you can create a redirect by using the [[File:Button_redirect.png]] button in the toolbar - I did it for you in this case), so that is probably only an unofficial name. As such, there is no real [[WP:IRS|reliable sources]] that refer to the engine as "3.5" and none that tie it to ME3. I found one mention through Google [http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/12/16/mass-effect-2-ps3-will-mass-effect-3-engine-make-a-difference/ here] that says that ME2 used 3.5 but for the moment there is no way to answer this in any reliable way and thus also no way to integrate such information into the article (see [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]]). On a side note, please remember that [[WP:FORUM|talk pages are not a forum about the subject itself]], so if you have any more questions about ME3 itself and not the article about it, you are probably better served with asking them at a dedicated forum for Mass Effect 3. Regards '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #35628F">Why</span>]]''' 11:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Brenon Holmes from BioWare said it's not really a new engine. They're just using some tweaks from ME2 PS3 in ME3 and vice versa. http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/5545910/2#5580629 [[Special:Contributions/194.78.37.122|194.78.37.122]] ([[User talk:194.78.37.122|talk]]) 13:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::It'll probably turn out to be UE3. <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:4px ridge blue; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em blue; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em blue; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:black">[[User:TehMissingLink|''<span style="font-family:verdana; color:blue;">TehMissingLink</span>'']] [[User talk:TehMissingLink|<sup>''<span style="color:red; font-family:verdana">Talk</span>''</sup>]]</span> 20:57, 15 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::There's no such thing as Unreal Engine 3.5 - and every Unreal Engine 3 developer tends to make various changes to the engine, such is their perogative as a licensee who can do as they want. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.27.229.89|86.27.229.89]] ([[User talk:86.27.229.89|talk]]) 22:39, 17 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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:::: I agree and disagree with your statement regarding the Unreal 3.5 Engine. Mass effect 3 and Gears of War 3 are both slated to use the Unreal 3.5 Engine. With that said however, I believe that the Unreal Engine 3.5 is just a heavily modified and updated version of the Unreal Engine 3. That leaves me wondering if these games should just be labeled as using a heavily modified Unreal 3 Engine, or if we should keep them as using the 3.5 Engine. Personally either way seems acceptable to me. - 22 August 2011 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.77.6.190|75.77.6.190]] ([[User talk:75.77.6.190|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Wich platform in particular is this game desgined for? ==<br />
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Odds are its the xbox i swear i saw at on bioware's site and oh no need to worry it isnt forum posts but im haveing trouble finding a link <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.175.172.248|66.175.172.248]] ([[User talk:66.175.172.248|talk]]) 09:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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According to Gamestop, the release date for Mass Effect 3 is 11/9/2011<br />
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[[User:Naseeg915|Naseeg915]] ([[User talk:Naseeg915|talk]]) 20:16, 4 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:{{notdone}} Game stores are not reliable sources for release dates. They often estimate (or lie) to help secure pre-orders. '''Rehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 20:21, 4 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== How to approach Kinect support ==<br />
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Kinect support in ME3 is a big deal. What do you guys think is the best way to approach writing about it? Should it have it's owen sub-header? Should it only be mentioned briefly where relevant? [[User:Ktmartell|Ktmartell]] ([[User talk:Ktmartell|talk]]) 01:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Is there anything actually known about it? Isn't it little more than a rumour based on a (leaked?) cover at the moment? There's no way to tell how it'll be implemented anyway, might just be a gimmick. '''Rehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 00:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Ah, I see it's tactical/dialogue voice control type thing. I suppose if there's the coverage and enough detail to support it's own section it should have one. '''Rehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 00:22, 23 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Is it an Action RPG? ==<br />
I thought it's been widely confirmed that this will be an action game as opposed to a role playing game.<br />
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Think the movie Aliens switching it's genre from Alien's Horror genre [[User:Sticka|Sticka]] ([[User talk:Sticka|talk]]) 21:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:From everything I've read, ME3 is bringing in ''more'' RPG elements than ME2 had.<br />
:*http://www.newsarama.com/games/e3-2011-mass-effect-3-closed-door-110616.html<br />
:*http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/08/mass-effect-3-to-have-deeper-rpg-elements-expanded-skill-trees-and-alternative-endings/<br />
:*http://www.oxm.co.uk/18111/news/mass-effect-3-will-shift-back-towards-rpg/<br />
:I have no idea where you heard that rumor, but it seems to be wrong. ''[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><font face="Old English Text MT">Swarm</font></span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:blue;"><font face="old english text mt">X</font></span>]]</sup> 21:14, 25 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Release Dates ==<br />
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Mass Effect 3 is not being released worldwide on March 6 2012. It is scheduled for release on March 6 2012 and March 9 2012 for US and EU respectively. There are multiple sources, and many online retailers have the correct release dates stated.<br />
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Source 1: http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/06/09/mass-effect-3-live-action-trailer/<br />
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Source 2: http://thegamershub.net/2011/06/mass-effect-3-fall-of-earth-e3-2011-trailer/<br />
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Source 3: http://gnn.com.ng/2011/06/06/e3-2011-mass-effect-3-dated-live-action-trailer-depicts-earth-in-turmoil/<br />
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Source 4: http://www.ps3trophies.org/news/news-3903-E3-2011--Mass-Effect-3-Preview-%E2%80%93-It%E2%80%99s-The-End-Of-The-World-As-We-Know-It%E2%80%A6-Or-Is-It-?.html<br />
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US: http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-3-PC-DVD/dp/B004FYEZMQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8<br />
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EU: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mass-Effect-3-PC-DVD/dp/B004T8C20U/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8<br />
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North America on the 6th, not just the US.<br />
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While that really only emcompasses one or two other countries, its still important to note.<br />
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== Relationships ==<br />
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I doubt it's really an issue for anyone else, but I think that saying, <br />
"then there will be two love interests vying for Shepard's attention," <br />
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"then both previous love interests will be vying for Shepard's attention,"?<br />
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Thanks! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:IHopeThisNameWorks|IHopeThisNameWorks]] ([[User talk:IHopeThisNameWorks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/IHopeThisNameWorks|contribs]]) 05:57, 15 August 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:I've changed it to your suggestion; it sounds better anyway. [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><font face="helterskelter">Swarm</font></span>]] 19:05, 10 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
::How is this game not considered a romance game when that is the way I and many others play it? It seems like "dating sims" are only for Japanese games. What about Western romance simulators?[[User:Zhandao|Zhandao]] ([[User talk:Zhandao|talk]]) 00:37, 8 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::One tiny aspect of a game, does not make a genre. Look up games that are considered to be dating sims. That is 90-100% of their game play. Is the first mass effect game a commerce simulator since you sell and buy equipment?[[User:Caidh|Caidh]] ([[User talk:Caidh|talk]]) 02:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::If more than one romantic subplot is enough to make a game a "dating sim", I think the inclusion of more than one form of fauna in Super Mario Brothers is enough to count it as a horticulture/mycology game. Dragon Age comes closer to the date sim tropes than any Mass Effect game does. - [[User:Vianello|Vianello]] ([[User talk:Vianello|Talk]]) 04:12, 8 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::RPGs have had romantic sub plots since forever - this does not make them dating sims. How you choose to play the game has no bearing either, the article is based on [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. A [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22dating+sim%22+%22mass+effect%22 Google search]] brought up nothing to support your claim beyond forums, blogs, social networking sites and at best, anecdotal references. '''<FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 11:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== He/she for Shepard ==<br />
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Probably best to resolve this once and for all. So, any thoughts on how to refer to Shepard with pronouns? [[Mass Effect]] and [[Mass Effect 2]], due to a single editor's edit a few months ago, refer to Shepard with as few pronouns as possible, resulting in a lot of "Shepard did this... and then Shepard did that." with a few "him or her"s sprinkled in. I personally would just prefer to refer to Shepard as a "he", since he's usually depicted as male. It makes it easier to read, so we can use both Shepard and "he", instead of "he or she", which breaks the flow a bit. Thoughts? <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02b">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;<span style="font-size: 0.9em;">([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User:Gary King/Scripts|<font color="#02e">scripts</font>]])</span></font> 23:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Is there any actual canon for Shepard's gender? [[User:Flinders Petrie|Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie]] &#124; <sup>[[user_talk:Flinders Petrie|Say Shalom!]]</sup> 6 Tishrei 5772 02:07, 4 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Apparently not according this this source [http://www.joystiq.com/2011/07/19/bioware-13-of-mass-effect-players-use-default-hero-18-play-f/], but that doesn't necessarily rule out using one or the other here. '''<FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 19:08, 8 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Absolutely not! Just because Shepard is usually depicted as male doesn't mean that this article has to refer to the character as male, if you think this your priviledge is really showing <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.46.18.98|86.46.18.98]] ([[User talk:86.46.18.98|talk]]) 18:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
::It has a strong basis on what this article does, actually. If almost all the promotional material, trailers, box art, screen shots etc, show the default male Shepherd, it makes a strong case for referring to him here as male. Using gender neutral adjectives or he/she can become cumbersome and inconsistent in a long article and coming to a consensus to use one of the other will make life easier (not that I'm implying consensus could be reached), privilege has nothing to do with it. In my mind the male Shepherd has the much stronger case. '''<FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 19:08, 8 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Isn't the default character the default male? That being the case while Shepard can be female, by default he, like most ME players, is male. That being said NWN2 classes are given genders and while I never had a problem reading Class X ... he\the class X ... it irritated me when they assumed I'd be a chick if I played a sorcerer or whatever. Assume he's a guy unless it bugs a lot of girls in which case cumbersome 'll have to do. [[Special:Contributions/118.208.177.8|118.208.177.8]] ([[User talk:118.208.177.8|talk]]) 01:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Weapons == <br />
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Hello! There is a thing you should add to this article. The player is able to pick up weapons that enemies have drop apon theire death. This is a new feature to the series. [[User:Blackjohnbird|Blackjohnbird]] ([[User talk:Blackjohnbird|talk]]) 01:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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This may have been false information, unless it was omitted from the demo, because the feature was not present in the ME3 Demo.<br />
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== Mass Effect 2 DLC expansion Arrival ==<br />
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*Will we need Mass Effect 2 DLC expansion Arrival in order to play Mass Effect 3? [[Special:Contributions/68.75.25.228|68.75.25.228]] ([[User talk:68.75.25.228|talk]]) 09:52, 10 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:No. Does something in the article suggest otherwise? '''<FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 10:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Well then what's this about?<br />
*''Mass Effect 3 will follow from the events of the Mass Effect 2 DLC expansion Arrival''<br />
*''Mass Effect 3 will begin with Commander Shepard on Earth for trial as a result of events from the Mass Effect 2 DLC pack Arrival'' [[Special:Contributions/68.75.25.228|68.75.25.228]] ([[User talk:68.75.25.228|talk]]) 15:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I believe it means the plot follows on from that point. I don't see how it implies the DLC is ''required''. '''<FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 17:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Right, the plot of ME3 (initially) follows from the events of that DLC ''story-wise''. That's it. [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><font face="helterskelter">Swarm</font></span>]] 18:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Improvements? ==<br />
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The article's quality ratings have started to dip a little. What needs to be improved specifically? [[User:Ktmartell|Ktmartell]] ([[User talk:Ktmartell|talk]]) 22:45, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:What do you mean? [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black'><font face="helterskelter">Swarm</font></span>]] 00:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I suspect Ktmartell is referring to the page ratings on the bottom of the page. The writing in the article seems fairly good to me, a few unsourced statements, but nothing major. '''<FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 10:17, 13 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Development and Marketing ==<br />
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The article has a lot of information in Development and Marketing, but I'm not sure everything is in the right place. For example, the Development section talks a lot about the game's trailers and it being shown off at video game conferences. Are these pieces of developmental information, or marketing information? [[User:Ktmartell|Ktmartell]] ([[User talk:Ktmartell|talk]]) 18:58, 18 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== 1000 variables ==<br />
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This is corporate shenanigans. There aren't 1000 actual variables, only about 50. The other '950 variables' they refer to are minor and unrelated story choices. Basically, BioWare is making it up. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.181.58.64|98.181.58.64]] ([[User talk:98.181.58.64|talk]]) 23:00, 2 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:Sources? '''<FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 23:05, 2 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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[[Special:Contributions/134.243.210.54|134.243.210.54]] ([[User talk:134.243.210.54|talk]]) 02:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
While you are probably right that some of the choices made will not have a hand in how the game ends, like the pointless quest to get a fish and tell the Krogans that it came from the Prosiduim will probably not have an effect. But where did you come up with the number of 50 choices? Was there an article or website that states that?<br />
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[[Special:Contributions/134.243.210.54|134.243.210.54]] ([[User talk:134.243.210.54|talk]]) 02:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)JA88ERW0CK<br />
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==Rating==<br />
Could you add the PEGI rating? It's 18. You can verify this on any game website (such as game.co.uk) or the official website itself (if you start watching a trailer it shows you the rating, not sure if there's any other way to find it on their site, didn't check too deeply). [[User:Lord-Schmee|Lord-Schmee]] ([[User talk:Lord-Schmee|talk]]) 20:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:<small>(new discussions go at the bottom)</small> [http://www.pegi.info/en/index/global_id/505/?searchString=mass+effect+3 PEGI themselves] give no rating yet. I don't believe retail sites are reliable sources, and apparently (and confusingly) [http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ADM286441/ the BBFC] have rated this game for the UK. '''<FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 20:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
: I'm American so I'm not 100% familiar with the PEGI rating system, but the pegi.info site does not list Mass Effect 3 yet. They have Mass Effect 1, 2, and some DLC but not 3. Either the ratings that sites are using are based on them being 'expected' to be PEGI 18, or the ratings database on PEGI's only site are not updated. Perhaps these are provisional ratings of some sort that the gaming (news & retail) sites are using?[[User:Caidh|Caidh]] ([[User talk:Caidh|talk]]) 20:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::If you go on the Mass Effect 3 WEBSITE, and watch their trailers and such, it's rated as PEGI 18. This isn't speculation from retail sites - this is the rating the game's publisher is giving us. I wouldn't think they would give such a high age rating, if it was going to be a 15 or 16 instead. More than likely they've been told the rating and PEGI haven't updated their list yet.<br />
::See: http://www.masseffect.com/me3/home/ Within the first second of the video, PEGI 18 shows up. Not "likely" or "most probably," but a solid confirmation of the rating. [[User:Lord-Schmee|Lord-Schmee]] ([[User talk:Lord-Schmee|talk]]) 10:34, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Local box art shows MA15+ rating. So legally restricted to over 15. There's only one higher legal classification. Amazon.com's still showing RP. [[Special:Contributions/118.208.50.217|118.208.50.217]] ([[User talk:118.208.50.217|talk]]) 10:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Origin and PC's ==<br />
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“Yes, is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.”<br />
To play Mass Effect 3 PC users must install the program known as "Origin" on their computers. Rendering them vulnerable to EA's brand of corporate espionage unless they “opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.”.<br />
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[[User:Furtled|Furtled]] ([[User talk:Furtled|talk]]) 23:44, 31 January 2012 (UTC) Not exactly neutral POV there, I'll add the basic info but without the editorialising.<br />
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I don't see how is does not constitute corporate espionage. In Germany Origin has been banned because of how invasive it is, it was proven to even be able to access people's tax files on their computers. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.243.97.180|99.243.97.180]] ([[User talk:99.243.97.180|talk]]) 16:01, 23 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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:Origin is NOT banned in Germany. Where do you have this information?<br />
:Also, the respected German magazine [http://www.heise.de/ct c't] did some tests and didn't find any hint that Origin actually scans or transmits any personal data. I haven't found the article on their website, only a quote on severa Gamer websites: http://game2gether.de/47858/ct-vorwurfe-gegenuber-origin-waren-und-sind-unbegrundet/ (German). The article can be found in c't 24/2011 [[Special:Contributions/192.166.53.200|192.166.53.200]] ([[User talk:192.166.53.200|talk]]) 15:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Console Specific? ==<br />
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I read the bit "Gameplay in the multiplayer mode will only allow for players to carry two guns at a time in their inventory ... weapons will be changed by holding down a button" and thought it sounded odd. I checked the source site and it looks like it's a Video Game site. Might need to be amended for PC players. [[Special:Contributions/118.208.177.8|118.208.177.8]] ([[User talk:118.208.177.8|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 00:46, 2 February 2012 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Background ==<br />
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Do we really need to give background information in the plot section? [[User:Ktmartell|Ktmartell]] ([[User talk:Ktmartell|talk]]) 20:41, 2 February 2012 <br />
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:Probably doesn't need to cover quite so much detail, as long as it covers the link with "Arrival" and has links to ME1 and 2 plots. '''<FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 12:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
== Wider Love Interest? ==<br />
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Just wondering what the wider love interests mentioned by Casey Hudson entail. Gay content's already been mentioned what else? Wider means new so multiple partners, pederastry (legal?) what?<br />
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I'm assuming celibacy is still a legitimate option to pursue but that there's no way to avoid surprises? I got a shock in Skyrim when I realised the male blacksmith was coming onto my chap. [[Special:Contributions/118.208.50.217|118.208.50.217]] ([[User talk:118.208.50.217|talk]]) 10:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Controversy Section ==<br />
Since the page is locked, I'm just leaving a suggestion here; it really should either be better written or deleted. It really comes off as a lot of hearsay as is. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/131.247.39.34|131.247.39.34]] ([[User talk:131.247.39.34|talk]]) 00:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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It needs to be deleted. It's 99% opinion and sources nothing.--[[Special:Contributions/68.1.111.29|68.1.111.29]] ([[User talk:68.1.111.29|talk]]) 01:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah just unsourced weasel word loaded opinion. Glad it is gone. [[User:Dbrodbeck|Dbrodbeck]] ([[User talk:Dbrodbeck|talk]]) 02:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Metacritic rants ==<br />
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A bunch of so-called internet trolls decided to give a game a bad grade on metacritic, I'm guessing because of the day one dlc... Therefore, I think that when the "Ratings" section is written, only official, gamer magazine ratings should be written there, because there can't be a normal user rating because of the aforementioned trolls. <br />
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--[[Special:Contributions/94.253.201.207|94.253.201.207]] ([[User talk:94.253.201.207|talk]]) 08:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Ratings in reception sections always use the MC critics' average, not the user average. Regards '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="color: #7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color: #474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]]''' 09:26, 6 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Well for the record did you actually read the User reviews. Unlike MW3 which was essentially zeros because we like BF3, these were well thought out. Including the awful endings, the fact that choices from the previous games affected nothing (except who is still alive), the pandering to homosexuals, and the poor writing. Not arguing for or against inclunsion, just saying actually read the reviews, because they are well thought out and bring up very good points. [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 15:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== DRM ==<br />
Could somebody put up some info about the DRM used in this game? My purchase decision depends on it. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/156.83.1.251|156.83.1.251]] ([[User talk:156.83.1.251|talk]]) 15:00, 6 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--></div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Sanchez&diff=471761535Mark Sanchez2012-01-16T22:31:20Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* Regular season */</p>
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Sanchez grew up in a well-disciplined and athletic family. In the eighth grade, he began to play football and learn the intricacies of the quarterback position, training with his father, Nick. A well-regarded prospect, Sanchez committed to Southern California following his successful high school career in which he led his team to a championship title during his final season. At USC, Sanchez was relegated as the backup quarterback during his first three years though he rose to prominence due to his brief appearances on the field in 2007 due to injuries suffered by starting quarterback [[John David Booty]]. Sanchez also became popular within the community due to his [[Mexican-American]] heritage. Named the starter in 2008, Sanchez led USC to a 12–1 record and won the [[2009 Rose Bowl|Rose Bowl]] against [[2008 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] for which Sanchez was awarded the [[MVP|Most Valuable Player award]] for his performance on [[Offense (sports)|offense]]. <br />
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Although many considered him too inexperienced, Sanchez announced his intention to enter the [[NFL Draft]]. He was selected by the Jets and named the starting quarterback prior to the start of [[2009 NFL season|the season]]. Despite a subpar performance, Sanchez led the Jets to the [[AFC Championship Game]], a losing effort to the [[Indianapolis Colts]], becoming the fourth rookie quarterback in NFL history to win his first playoff game and the second to win two playoff games. In his second season, Sanchez continued to develop and led the Jets to the playoffs and the team's second consecutive AFC Championship Game where they narrowly lost to the [[Pittsburgh Steelers]], 24–19. <br />
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With the win over the [[New England Patriots]] the week prior, Sanchez tied four other quarterbacks for the most post-season road victories by a quarterback in NFL history. In leading the Jets to two consecutive conference championships, Sanchez joined quarterback [[Ben Roethlisberger]] as the only two quarterbacks in NFL history to reach the conference championship in their first two seasons in the league.<ref name="Sanchez two years">{{cite web|title="The NFL Today" Previews AFC Championship Game with features on New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez and Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin on Sunday, Jan. 23 on "The NFL Today"|url=http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/cbs_network/release?id=27333|work=|publisher=CBS|author=|date=January 21, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Lf3Vbzw|archivedate=July 21, 2011|accessdate=July 21, 2011}}</ref> <br />
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== Early life ==<br />
Mark was born in [[Long Beach, California]] to Nick Sr. and Olga Sanchez.<ref name="OCW082108">{{cite news|title=Why Do People Have a Problem With OC-Raised USC QB Mark Sanchez Being Proud of His Mexican Heritage?|url=http://www.ocweekly.com/2008-08-21/news/oc-raised-usc-qb-mark-sanchez-is-proud-of-his-heritage-but-some-people-have-a-problem-with-that/1/|work=OC Weekly|publisher=Village Voice Media|author=Davis, David|date=August 21, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zjiShvqf|archivedate=June 26, 2011|accessdate=August 28, 2008}}</ref> When Mark was four, his parents divorced; Mark and his brothers, Nick Jr. and Brandon, stayed with their father but their mother remained involved in their upbringing.<ref name="ESPNtM081108">{{cite web|title=¡Viva Sanchez!|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3511275|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Arangure, Jorge Jr.|date=August 11, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5znySPxcz|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=February 17, 2009}}</ref> Mark initially lived in [[Whittier, California|Whittier]] and [[Pico Rivera, California|Pico Rivera]]; when he was six his father moved with the children to [[Rancho Santa Margarita, California|Rancho Santa Margarita]], a predominantly [[White people|white]] neighborhood of [[Orange County, California|Orange County]].<ref name="OCW082108"/><ref name="NYT091208">{{cite news|title=A Strong Arm and a Strong Mind|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/sports/ncaafootball/13usc.html|work=The New York Times|publisher=The New York Times Company|author=Witz, Billy|date=September 12, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5znyf8fiy|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=April 26, 2009}}</ref> <br />
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Mark's father remarried and raised them strictly, seeking to influence them to become leaders.<ref name="ESPNtM081108"/><ref name="NYT091208"/> Throughout his childhood and teenage years, Mark's father would have him combine athletic and mental training. Mark would have to dribble a basketball without looking at it while reciting [[multiplication tables]]; practice baseball swings in a [[batting cage]] while answering questions about the [[Periodic table#Standard periodic table|periodic table]] and similar combined drills that his father hoped would develop quick thinking and self-confidence that would guide Mark in all areas of life and not simply sports.<ref name="NYT091208"/><br />
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By the time Mark entered the eighth grade, he had developed an interest in football but was unsure of what position to play. His father consulted coaches Bill Cunerty, who formerly coached at [[Saddleback College]], and Bob Johnson, the head coach at [[Mission Viejo High School]].<ref name="OCW082108"/> Both coaches stated Mark could be a quarterback if he applied himself and was open to learning the intricacies of the position.<ref name="OCW082108"/> Nick Sr. trained Mark during sessions in their backyard or at the park.<ref name="OCW082108"/> Mark, who was attending [[Santa Margarita Catholic High School|Santa Margarita High School]], joined the [[High school football|football]] team. During his first [[Pass attempt#American and Canadian football|pass attempt]] as a sophomore, Mark threw a 55-yard touchdown.<ref name="OCW082108"/> <br />
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Prior to his junior year of high school, Mark transferred to Mission Viejo,<ref name="USC 2006"/> where Johnson, who was recognized as a "quarterback guru", having trained professionals like [[Carson Palmer]], was head coach. Under Johnson's tutelage, Mark felt he would have a better opportunity to become a better player.<ref name="OCW082108"/> Johnson tutored Mark on the complexities of the position and in two seasons with the team, Mark led the Diablos to a 27–1 record culminating with the [[California Interscholastic Federation]] Division II championship in 2004.<ref name="OCW082108"/> <br />
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Mark was named football player of the year by several major college recruiting services and was considered the top quarterback in the nation upon the conclusion of his high school football career in 2005.<ref name="SI041808">{{cite news|title=Sanchez expected to continue USC's long line of excellence at QB|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/04/18/usc.sanchez/index.html?eref=T1|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Mandel, Stewart|date=April 18, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zjlSIlCx|archivedate=June 26, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> In July 2004, Mark announced his commitment to the University of Southern California.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez Commits to Trojans|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/20/sports/sp-region20|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=|date=July 20, 2004|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zjluV7Zf|archivedate=June 26, 2011|accessdate=June 26, 2011}}</ref><br />
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== College career ==<br />
Being named the nation's top quarterback coming out of high school, Sanchez was well regarded upon his arrival at USC.<ref>{{cite news|title=Next in line?|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/01/18/mandel.011805/|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Mandel, Stewart|date=January 19, 2005|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zjq15l3P|archivedate=June 26, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> With upperclassmen [[Matt Leinart]] and [[John David Booty]] returning, Sanchez did not play during his freshman year in [[2005 USC Trojans football team|2005]], opting to [[Redshirt (college sports)|preserve a year of eligibility]].<ref name="Freshman">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez|url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/mark-sanchez?id=79858&campaign=Google_Draft_MarkSanchez|work=|publisher=National Football League|author=|date=|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zjqcLQdI|archivedate=June 26, 2011|accessdate=June 26, 2011}}</ref> During this time, he participated as the quarterback of USC's [[scout team]], earning the Trojans' Service Team Offensive Player of the Year Award.<ref name="Freshman"/><br />
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[[File:2008-1018-017-MarkSanchez.jpg|thumb|upright|left|Sanchez in 2008]]<br />
In April 2006, Sanchez was arrested after a female USC student accused him of [[sexual assault]]. He was released from jail the following day and suspended. On June 3, 2006, the [[Los Angeles County District Attorney]]'s office announced no charges would be filed, and Sanchez was reinstated, though he was disciplined by the football team for underage drinking and using false identification on the night he was arrested.<ref>{{cite web|title=USC Quarterback Won't Face Sexual Assault Charges|url=http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=4209059|work=|publisher=Los Angeles ABC 7|author=|date=June 3, 2006|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkmjBCTB|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=USC QB Sanchez won't face sexual assault charges|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2468540|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=June 2, 2006|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkmycLkD|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Report: USC reinstates QB Sanchez|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2472859|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=|date=June 6, 2006|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zknJ6gUx|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=March 18, 2010}}</ref><br />
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At the outset of the [[2006 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2006 season]], Sanchez competed for the starting quarterback position; once Booty, a [[Junior (education)#College|junior]], suffered severe back spasms caused by a pre-existing back condition, surgery was required and Sanchez was promoted to run the first-team offense during the spring as Booty recovered.<ref>{{cite web|title=USC quarterback might miss rest of spring|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2381621|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Maisel, Ivan|date=March 27, 2006|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60vysiOht|archivedate=August 14, 2011|accessdate=August 14, 2011}}</ref> Coaches stated Booty would be considered the starting quarterback when he returned for fall practice.<ref name="LAT101207">{{cite news|title=Call For Backup|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/12/sports/sp-usc12|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=October 12, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkoOdkDa|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> During the [[2006 USC Trojans football team|2006 season]], Sanchez saw limited playing time in games against [[2006 Arkansas Razorbacks football team|Arkansas]], [[2006 Stanford Cardinal football team|Stanford]] and [[2006 Oregon Ducks football team|Oregon]]. Through those three games, Sanchez completed 3 of his 7 pass attempts for 63 yards and 1 interception.<ref name="Game logs">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez Career Game Log|url=http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mark-sanchez-1/gamelog/|work=|publisher=SR/College Football|author=|date=|archiveurl=|archivedate=|accessdate=August 14, 2011}}</ref> He also saw additional action against [[Arizona Wildcats football|Arizona]], [[2006 Michigan Wolverines football team|Michigan]], and [[2006 Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team|Notre Dame]] but he did not attempt a pass in those contests.<ref name="USC 2006">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez|url=http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sanchez_mark00.html|work=|publisher=USC Trojans|author=|date=|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoHHxBbP|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> <br />
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In fall practice, before [[2007 USC Trojans football team|USC's]] [[2007 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2007 season]], Sanchez broke his right thumb, missing the first game against [[Idaho Vandals football|Idaho]]; he returned the following week and served as the primary backup to Booty.<ref name="USC 2006"/> Sanchez earned limited playing time in wins against [[2007 Nebraska Cornhuskers football team|Nebraska]] and [[2007 Washington State Cougars football team|Washington State]].<ref name="Game logs"/> Sanchez was named the starting quarterback by head coach [[Pete Carroll]] against Arizona after Booty suffered a broken finger during a 24–23 loss to [[2007 Stanford Cardinal football team|Stanford]].<ref name="LAT101207"/> <br />
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[[File:2008-0830-USC-UVA-MarkSanchez.jpg|thumb|upright|Sanchez runs off the field after pregame warm-ups before the 2008 season opener at Virginia.]]<br />
On October 13, Sanchez led USC to a 20–13 victory, overcoming a wavering performance during the first half of the game in which he threw two interceptions, as Arizona went on to tie the game heading into halftime.<ref name="Victory over AZ">{{cite news|title=Sanchez overcomes shaky start for USC|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/14/sports/sp-uscside14|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Bolch, Ben|date=October 14, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkp3IqLf|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> During the second half, Sanchez was more proficient in passing the ball and ultimately finished the game completing 19 of his 31 passes while throwing for 130 yards with one touchdown and two interceptions.<ref name="Victory over AZ"/> With Booty still recovering, USC elected to start Sanchez for a second consecutive week against [[2007 Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team|Notre Dame]]; he made significant improvements, completing 21 of his 38 passes for 235 yards and four touchdowns in a 38–0 victory over Notre Dame.<ref>{{cite news|title=Local eyes are smiling / USC gets its biggest victory over Notre Dame, 38-0, and UCLA pulls rank on California with a 30-21 upset|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/21/sports/sp-usc21|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=October 21, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkpVUCcV|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref><br />
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On October 27, Sanchez started for the final time in place of the injured Booty, an away game against [[2007 Oregon Ducks football team|Oregon]].<ref name="Misery in Oregon">{{cite news|title=Hope takes holiday|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/28/sports/sp-usc28|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=October 28, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkqQ4FB7|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> USC lost, 24–17; Sanchez had two passes intercepted by Oregon [[Safety (American football position)|safety]] Matthew Harper in the second half.<ref name="Misery in Oregon"/> The first interception led to a fourth-quarter touchdown that gave Oregon a 14-point lead; the second interception ended USC's final chance for a comeback.<ref name="Misery in Oregon"/> In spite of a myriad of mistakes committed by his teammates in addition to his own, Sanchez publicly accepted blame for the loss.<ref name="Misery in Oregon"/> The following week, against [[2007 Oregon State Beavers football team|Oregon State]], Booty returned as USC's starting quarterback, with Sanchez resuming his position as Booty's backup.<ref>{{cite news|title=Booty keeps eyes on what's next|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/02/sports/sp-booty2|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=November 2, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zks7wL9L|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> Sanchez did not perform in subsequent games and finished the season with 695 yards and seven touchdowns with five interceptions.<ref name="Game logs"/><ref name="AP011509a">{{cite web|title=Sanchez will enter NFL draft|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3835329|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=|date=January 15, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zksPIts9|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 15, 2009}}</ref><br />
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Sanchez entered spring practice after the [[2008 USC Trojans football team|2008 season]] as the front-runner to take over the starting quarterback position, but faced strong competition from redshirt freshman [[Aaron Corp]] and [[Mitch Mustain]], a transfer from [[Arkansas Razorbacks|Arkansas]], where he had been the starting quarterback; Mustain, like Sanchez, was named the top quarterback in the nation upon the conclusion of high school career in 2006.<ref name="SI041808"/><ref>{{cite news|title=Spring primer|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/03/05/spring.questions/index.html?eref=T1|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Mandel, Stewart|date=March 6, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlC48dNq|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> By the end of spring practice, Carroll announced Sanchez would be the starting quarterback heading into the fall.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez gets the nod at USC|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/16/sports/sp-usc16|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=April 16, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlCjJbTx|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> During the first week of fall camp, Sanchez dislocated his left kneecap during [[Warming up|warm-ups]] prior to practice; trainers immediately put the kneecap back into place.<ref>{{cite news|title=Injury clouds waters at USC|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/09/sports/sp-sanchez9|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=August 9, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlDaLvLA|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=August 11, 2008}}</ref> After missing nearly three weeks, Sanchez was cleared to play in the opener against [[University of Virginia|Virginia]].<ref>{{cite news|title=An uneven Sanchez cleared to play|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/27/sports/sp-usc27|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary; David Wharton|date=August 27, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlEHGm9E|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=August 27, 2008}}</ref> Before the opener, Sanchez was contacted by USC's previous three quarterbacks—[[Carson Palmer]], Leinart and Booty—who wished him well and offered general advice.<ref>{{cite news|title=Ready For His Close-up|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/30/sports/sp-usc30|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=August 30, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlERqbF1|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=September 3, 2008}}</ref><br />
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[[File:2008-1206-USC-UCLA-014-RB-Sanchez-band.jpg|thumb|left|Sanchez, holding the sword of the USC drum major, salutes the fans after a victory in his final regular season game at [[UCLA–USC rivalry|rival UCLA]].]]<br />
In the opener at Virginia, Sanchez threw for a career-best 338 yards, completing 26 of his 35 passes for three touchdowns and one interception.<ref>{{cite news|title=Trojans are all tuned up|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/31/sports/sp-usc31|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=August 31, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlHbkmNi|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=September 3, 2008}}</ref> The [[Davey O'Brien Foundation]] named him the O'Brien Quarterback of the Week and his performance garnered early [[Heisman Trophy|Heisman]] discussion.<ref>{{cite web|title=Sanchez bounces back from pre-season injury in season opener|url=http://www.daveyobrien.org/adminnm/templates/press.asp?articleid=115&zoneid=16|work=|publisher=Davey O'Brien Foundation|author=|date=September 3, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlJyytrX|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=September 3, 2008}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Despite injury, Beanie Wells stays on top; Tebow, Moreno loom|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/gene_menez/09/02/watch.2/1.html|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Menez, Gene|date=September 2, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlKdNhM4|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=September 3, 2008}}</ref> The Trojans suffered a stunning 27–21 loss against [[2008 Oregon State Beavers football team|Oregon State]] on September 25. By seasons end, the Trojans' lone loss was enough to remove them from contending for the [[BCS Championship Game|BCS National Title]] and instead they were to play in the [[Rose Bowl Game|Rose Bowl]] against [[Penn State]].<ref name="Bowl off">{{cite news|title=Sanchez throws for 413 yards, 4 TDs in latest Rose Bowl rout|url=http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=290010030|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 1, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60w7ZX9W0|archivedate=August 14, 2011|accessdate=August 14, 2011}}</ref> The Trojans defeated the Nittany Lions 38–24. Sanchez won the 2009 Rose Bowl Most Valuable Player award for his performance on offense; his 413 passing yards ranked second in the history of the Rose Bowl and fourth in Trojan history.<ref name="Bowl off"/><ref name="College records">{{cite news|title=USC's Stafon Johson to return; C.J. Gable might not|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/02/sports/sp-uscfyi2|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary; Mark Medina, Chris Dufresne and Mike Hiserman|date=January 2, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlLFlsA0|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 14, 2009}}</ref> With Sanchez starting all thirteen games, the Trojans ended the season 12–1 and ranked number two in the [[Coaches' Poll]] and number three in the [[AP Poll]].<ref name="Game logs"/><ref>{{cite news|title=The Final Polls|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/09/sports/sp-pollscover9|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=January 9, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlL2htuK|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 18, 2009}}</ref> Sanchez finished the season with 3,207 yards passing, 34 touchdowns, second most in Trojan history, behind Leinart, and 10 interceptions.<ref name="AP011509a"/><ref name="College records"/> <br />
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Upon the conclusion of the Rose Bowl, Sanchez stated it would be "hard to say goodbye to [USC]. I don’t think I can do it."<ref>{{cite news|title=USC football: Rose Bowl can’t be deciding factor for Sanchez|url=http://usc.ocregister.com/2009/01/02/usc-football-rose-bowl-cant-be-deciding-factor-for-sanchez/7978/|work=The Orange County Register|publisher=Freedom Communications|author=Lev, Michael|date=January 2, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlMfH5MO|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> However, with the subsequent announcement that other NFL-caliber quarterbacks, such as [[Sam Bradford]], [[Tim Tebow]], and [[Colt McCoy]] had decided to stay in school, rumors arose that Sanchez would use the opportunity to enter the [[2009 NFL Draft]].<ref>{{cite news|title=Oklahoma's Sam Bradford will stay; will Mark Sanchez now go?|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/15/sports/sp-sanchez-usc-nfl15|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=January 15, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlM3t4dY|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 15, 2009}}</ref> On January 15, Sanchez announced his plans to forgo his final year of college eligibility and enter the 2009 NFL Draft, although he continued as a USC student and completed work on his [[Academic degree|degree]] in the spring of 2009 while preparing for the draft.<ref name="AP011509a"/><ref>{{cite news|title=NFL draft: The Mark Sanchez interview (Part 3 of 3)|url=http://usc.ocregister.com/2009/02/13/nfl-draft-the-mark-sanchez-interview-part-3-of-3/10275/|work=The Orange County Register|publisher=Freedom Communications|author=Lev, Michael|date=February 13, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlOicnFG|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref><br />
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Sanchez became the first USC quarterback to leave early since [[Todd Marinovich]] did so after the 1990 season.<ref>{{cite news|title=Good luck to USC's next quarterback|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/16/sports/sp-crowe-text-messages16|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Crowe, Jerry|date=January 16, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlP7B2nf|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 16, 2009}}</ref> During the press conference, head coach Pete Carroll made it clear that he did not agree with Sanchez's decision, and advised him of the low success-rate of quarterbacks who left college early.<ref name="AP011509a"/> Despite the public disagreement, the two remained close afterward.<ref>{{cite news|title=NFL draft: The Mark Sanchez interview (Part 1 of 3)|url=http://usc.ocregister.com/2009/02/13/nfl-draft-the-mark-sanchez-interview-part-1-of-3/10201/|work=The Orange County Register|publisher=Freedom Communications|author=Lev, Michael|date=February 13, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlOsg9Ee|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref><br />
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== Professional career ==<br />
=== 2009 NFL Draft ===<br />
Sanchez hired his older brother and business [[litigator]], Nick Sanchez, to be his [[Sports agent|agent]] alongside David Dunn, who represented Carson Palmer.<ref>{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez reportedly picks brother as his agent|url=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/allthingstrojan/2009/01/sanchez-agent.html|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Rose, Adam|date=January 28, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlQhXb5G|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 28, 2009}}</ref> Sanchez received an invitation to the 2009 [[NFL Scouting Combine|Scouting Combine]] where his performance was well-received.<ref>{{cite web|title=Confident Sanchez has solid showing|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?id=3926452|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Clayton, John|date=March 2, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlRXI1y7|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> He was ranked as one of the top two quarterbacks, behind fellow junior [[Matthew Stafford]] from the [[University of Georgia]].<ref>{{cite news|title=Stafford, Sanchez embrace competition to be top QB|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3922747|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=February 20, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlRqDqLi|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> In the final days leading up to the draft, several NFL teams expressed serious interest in Sanchez, including the [[Seattle Seahawks]] (No. 4 selection), [[Cleveland Browns]] (No. 5 selection), [[Washington Redskins]] (No. 13 selection), and New York Jets (No. 17 selection).<ref>{{cite web|title=Several teams in play for Sanchez|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4092024|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Paolantonio, Sal|date=April 24, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlS1BnQ6|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=April 25, 2009}}</ref><br />
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| bench = DNA<br />
| wonderlic = 28<br />
| note = Did not attempt bench. Ten and twenty splits are not available.<ref>{{cite web|title=Combine Top Performers|url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2009&workout=FORTY_YARD_DASH&position=QB|work=|publisher=National Football League|author=|date=|archiveurl=|archivedate=|accessdate=July 21, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Wonderlic scores for Mark Sanchez, Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews are leaked|url=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/03/wonderlic-score.html|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Rose, Adam|date=March 24, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlShj7kv|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref><br />
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=== New York Jets ===<br />
The New York Jets drafted Sanchez using the fifth overall selection in the 2009 NFL Draft, making him the first quarterback selected by the Jets in the first round since [[Chad Pennington]].<ref name="Draft day">{{cite news|title=Jets move 12 spots to get Sanchez|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4100078|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=April 26, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlUIF38X|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> To select Sanchez, the Jets traded their first and second round selections and three players, [[Kenyon Coleman]], [[Abram Elam]] and [[Brett Ratliff]], to the Cleveland Browns.<ref name="Draft day"/> At the time, the selection was lauded as good value for the team and for Sanchez.<ref>{{cite news|title=Time will prove that USC's Sanchez was top QB of the 2009 draft class|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/25/Draft.snaps/index.html|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Banks, Don|date=April 25, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlUlAKUz|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez reached an agreement with the team on June 10, 2009, signing a five-year, $50 million contract, with $28 million guaranteed.<ref name="Rookie contract">{{cite news|title=Jets reach agreement with QB Sanchez|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4249402|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=June 10, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlVVrX0y|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 10, 2009}}</ref> It is the largest contract the Jets signed a player to in franchise history.<ref name="Rookie contract"/> <br />
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[[File:Mark Sanchez Jets Mini-camp 2009.jpg|thumb|left|Sanchez (red jersey) at a June 2009 New York Jets mini-camp at Florham Park, New Jersey.]]<br />
Heading into his rookie [[Training camp (National Football League)|training camp]], Sanchez was listed as the second quarterback behind veteran [[Kellen Clemens]]. Jets head coach [[Rex Ryan]] viewed the camp as an opportunity for both quarterbacks to compete against each other to determine the eventual starter for the 2009 season.<ref>{{cite news|title=Clemens appreciated Sanchez gesture|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4150065|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=May 8, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlWnizYA|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> On August 26, 2009, Sanchez was named the starter, becoming the first rookie quarterback to start the season for the team since [[Dick Jamieson]] in 1960.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez to start at QB for Jets|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4423136|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=August 26, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlXDhw7p|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> <br />
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Sanchez started his first regular season NFL game against the [[2009 Houston Texans season|Houston Texans]] on September 13, 2009, throwing his first touchdown pass, a 30-yard reception, to [[Chansi Stuckey]].<ref name="Rookie debut">{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez sterling as Jets stomp on Texans in Ryan debut|url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-09-13-jets-texans_N.htm|work=USA Today|publisher=Gannett Company|agency=Associated Press|date=September 14, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmKzht8n|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez and the Jets won the game 24–7, with Sanchez throwing for 272 yards, a touchdown and a interception.<ref name="Rookie debut"/> He was named the [[Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week|Pepsi Rookie of the Week]] for his performance in the game, the first of three consecutive Rookie of the Week awards.<ref name="Rookie awards">{{cite web|title=A Tale of Three QBs ... and Two 3-0 Teams|url=http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-1/A-Tale--of-Three-QBs--and-Two-3-0-Teams/484b1ac5-79f7-11df-ba56-acc8e62813e9|work=|publisher=New York Jets|author=Lange, Randy|date=October 4, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmLC6HcN|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> He played his first home game a week later versus the [[2009 New England Patriots season|New England Patriots]], a 16–9 victory; it was also his first division game and his first [[National Football League rivalries|rivalry game]].<ref name="Rivalry game">{{cite news|title=Jets hold down Brady, finally beat Pats at home|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290920020|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=September 20, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zLNTKzVP|archivedate=June 10, 2011|accessdate=June 10, 2011}}</ref> It was the Jets' first victory over New England at home since 2000.<ref name="Rivalry game"/> With a 24–17 victory over the [[2009 Tennessee Titans season|Tennessee Titans]] in Week 3, Sanchez became the first rookie quarterback to start and win his first three games of an NFL season.<ref>{{cite news|title=Jets' defense holds firm in end to stop Titans|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290927020|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=September 27, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zLNktSss|archivedate=June 10, 2011|accessdate=June 10, 2011}}</ref> However, his performance began to regress as he had a pass intercepted for a 99-yard touchdown return, and fumbled another attempted pass in the end zone for another touchdown, as the Jets fell to the [[2009 New Orleans Saints season|New Orleans Saints]] in Week 4.<ref name="Growing pains">{{cite news|title=Saints get 2 scores off Sanchez turnovers to hand Ryan's Jets first loss|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291004018|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=October 4, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmSjb2FE|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> These two plays were enough to spoil an otherwise strong outing from the Jets's defensive unit as the team dropped to a 3–1 record.<ref name="Growing pains"/> Following the loss to New Orleans, Sanchez received criticism in a 16–13 overtime loss to the [[2009 Buffalo Bills season|Buffalo Bills]] in Week 6 when he threw five interceptions against a lowly Bills defense that previously had only four interceptions the entire season.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez's INTs overshadow Jones' career day as Jets lose third straight|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291018020|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=October 18, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmUp8g4G|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> The Jets ended their losing streak in a 38–0 victory against the [[2009 Oakland Raiders season|Oakland Raiders]] in Week 7 however, Sanchez was criticized after he was seen eating a [[hot dog]] on the Jets' bench in the fourth quarter.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez rebounds with two touchdowns as Jets shut out Raiders|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291025013|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=October 25, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmVGqrIl|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref><br />
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In the team's second meeting against the Bills on December 3, 2009, Sanchez suffered a [[Sprain|sprained]] [[posterior cruciate ligament]] in the third quarter, prompting the veteran Clemens to take his place.<ref name="PCL sprain">{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez Frustrated With Rex Ryan's Decision|url=http://www.nesn.com/2009/12/mark-sanchez-frustrated-with-rex-ryans-decision.html|work=|publisher=New England Sports Network|agency=Associated Press|date=December 10, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmbHyt1F|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Though there were no setbacks to the injury, head coach Ryan benched Sanchez the following game against the [[2009 Tampa Bay Buccaneers season|Tampa Bay Buccaneers]] for precautionary reasons, much to Sanchez's dismay.<ref name="PCL sprain"/> At 7–7, the Jets had a chance to secure a playoff berth if they won the remainder of their games.<ref name="Controversy in Indy">{{cite news|title=Colts fans angry as unbeaten season ends with loss to Jets|url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-12-27-jets-colts_N.htm?csp=34|work=USA Today|publisher=Gannett Company|author=Mihoces, Gary|date=December 28, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmcHjQsJ|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> One such game was against the [[2009 Indianapolis Colts season|Indianapolis Colts]] who had 23 consecutive regular season wins.<ref name="Controversy in Indy"/> Sanchez and the Jets engineered a comeback win following Colts head coach [[Jim Caldwell (American football)|Jim Caldwell]]'s decision to controversially rest the team starters in the third quarter with a five-point lead.<ref name="Controversy in Indy"/> The following week, on January 3, 2010, Sanchez led the team into the playoffs, despite a subpar effort, completing eight of sixteen passes for sixty-three yards, en route to a 37–0 win over the [[2009 Cincinnati Bengals season|Cincinnati Bengals]], who rested their starters as the team had already clinched the [[AFC North]] division title and a playoff berth.<ref>{{cite news|title=Rookie Sanchez efficiently leads Jets to first playoff berth in three seasons|url=http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300103020|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 3, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zLOewpKb|archivedate=June 10, 2011|accessdate=June 10, 2011}}</ref> The manner of the two wins, which gave the Jets their first playoff berth since 2006, caused many to claim the team had "backed into the playoffs".<ref>{{cite news|title=NY Jets ignore talk of 'backing into playoffs' should they beat Cincinnati Bengals|url=http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2010/01/ny_jets_ignore_talk_of_backing.html|work=The Star-Ledger|publisher=Advance Publications|author=Hutchinson, Dave|date=January 3, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmsgqlzX|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=January 9, 2010}}</ref> Sanchez completed his rookie season with 2,444 yards, 12 touchdowns and 20 interceptions.<ref name="Sanchez stats"/> <br />
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[[File:Mark Sanchez Jets-v-Eagles Sep 3, 2009 - 73.jpg|thumb|right|Sanchez after throwing a pass during a preseason game against the [[Philadelphia Eagles]].]]<br />
In the [[2009–10 NFL playoffs#AFC: New York Jets 24, Cincinnati Bengals 14|wild card round]], that took place on January 9, 2010 at [[Paul Brown Stadium]], Sanchez led the Jets to another victory over the Bengals, 24–14, behind his positive performance where he completed 12 of his 15 passes while throwing for 182 yards and a touchdown with a [[passer rating]] of 139.4.<ref name="For the History books">{{cite news|title=Sanchez, Greene perform under pressure as Jets extend playoff run|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300109004|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 9, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmv0ofWv|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=January 9, 2010}}</ref> Sanchez became the fourth rookie quarterback in NFL history to win his first post-season contest, and the second to do so on the road.<ref name="For the History books"/> On January 17, 2010, Sanchez, with the help of fellow rookie [[Shonn Greene]], defeated the heavily favored San Diego Chargers 17–14 to attain the Jets' third [[AFC Championship Game#AFC Championship: Indianapolis Colts 30, New York Jets 17|AFC Championship appearance]] in franchise history.<ref>{{cite news|title=Jets score two TDs in fourth quarter to advance to AFC title game|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300117024|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 17, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmw6bxSK|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez became only the second rookie quarterback to win two consecutive playoff games, behind [[Joe Flacco]].<ref>{{cite web|title=Jets’ Sanchez Tries Imitating Flacco Not Favre Playoff History|url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a4X9vpzrnCpE|work=|publisher=Bloomberg|author=Matuszewski, Erik|date=January 15, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5znwXzxT3|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> In a rematch of their regular season meeting with the Colts, Sanchez performed well in the first half however, the offense succumbed to the Colts' defense in the second half and the Jets gave up an 11 point lead, losing 30–17.<ref>{{cite news|title=Colts make up 11-point deficit to push aside Jets on way to fourth Super Bowl|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300124011|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 24, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmwQsXCk|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez was named to ''[[Sporting News]]''' All-Rookie team for his performance during the season.<ref name="All-rookie">{{cite news|title=Sporting News 2009 NFL All-Rookie Team|url=http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010-01-14/sporting-news-2009-nfl-all-rookie-team|work=Sporting News|publisher=American City Business Journals|author=|date=January 14, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmyRH8Ss|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref><br />
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On February 17, 2010, Sanchez had surgery to repair the [[Patellar ligament|patella ligament]] in his left knee that he originally injured when he played for USC. The surgery was successful.<ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez Has Successful Knee Surgery|url=http://www.nesn.com/2010/02/mark-sanchez-has-successful-knee-surgery.html|work=|publisher=New England Sports Network|author=Popko, Daniel|date=February 17, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmynXEHI|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=September 6, 2010}}</ref><ref name="Sanchez surgery">{{cite web|title=Sanchez to have surgery|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4879120|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=|date=February 2, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmycbbW8|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=September 6, 2010}}</ref> Sanchez was expected to miss early workouts and return in time for training camp however Sanchez made a quick recovery and participated in team drills during Organized Team Activities (OTA).<ref name="Sanchez surgery"/><ref>{{cite web|title=Sanchez participates in Jets team drills|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5265922|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=McManus, Jane|date=June 9, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmz0Z8sS|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=September 6, 2010}}</ref> The Jets opened the [[2010 New York Jets season|2010 season]] with a 5–1 record however, the passing game was subpar as Sanchez struggled to accurately throw the football.<ref>{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez knows he has to be more accurate for New York Jets passing offense to improve|url=http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-10-28/sports/27079441_1_rex-ryan-dustin-keller-santonio-holmes|work=New York Daily News|publisher=Mortimer Zuckerman|author=Mehta, Manish|date=October 28, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmzrFIvP|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez recorded his first career 300-yard passing game in a win over the [[Detroit Lions]] on November 7, 2010.<ref>{{cite web|title=Jets Roar to Life Late, Tame Lions in OT, 23-20|url=http://prod.www.jets.clubs.nfl.com/news/article-1/Jets-Roar-to-Life-Late-Tame-Lions-in-OT-23-20/2a946144-db10-4e02-bd5a-587194f17a0c|work=|publisher=New York Jets|author=Lange, Randy|date=November 7, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5uHnkSgzZ|archivedate=November 16, 2010|accessdate=November 16, 2010}}</ref> At 10–4, the Jets faced the [[2010 Chicago Bears season|Chicago Bears]] on December 26, 2010 with a chance to clinch a playoff berth.<ref name="An unexpected win">{{cite news|title=Jets get taken down by Bears but head to playoffs after Jags' loss|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=301226003|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=December 26, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zn1D0cj3|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Though Sanchez injured his shoulder in a victory over [[2010 Pittsburgh Steelers season|Pittsburgh]] the previous week, he started the game completing 24 of his 37 passes for a touchdown and a interception.<ref name="An unexpected win"/> However, the Jets were unable to defend the Bears' offense and subsequently lost the game 38–31 after a comeback drive was halted when Sanchez was intercepted.<ref name="An unexpected win"/> Due to a loss by the [[2010 Jacksonville Jaguars season|Jacksonville Jaguars]] that same day, the Jets clinched the playoff berth.<ref name="An unexpected win"/> Sanchez finished the season with 3,291 yards, 17 touchdowns and 13 interceptions.<ref name="Sanchez stats"/><br />
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The Jets finished the season with an 11–5 record and entered the [[2010–11 NFL playoffs#AFC: New York Jets 17, Indianapolis Colts 16|wild card round]] facing the [[2010 Indianapolis Colts season|Indianapolis Colts]] in a rematch of their previous encounter in the AFC Championship.<ref name="Indy rematch">{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez leads drive to set up Nick Folk's game-winning kick|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310108011|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 8, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zn1m28jz|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Although Sanchez had a subpar performance completing 18 of his 31 passes while throwing a interception, he led the team in the final minutes of the game on a comeback drive culminating with kicker [[Nick Folk]] kicking the game-winning field goal as time expired.<ref name="Indy rematch"/> The Jets went on to face the [[2010 New England Patriots season|New England Patriots]] in the [[2010–11 NFL playoffs#AFC: New York Jets 28, New England Patriots 21|divisional round]] and upset the heavily favored Patriots, 28–21, as Sanchez completed 16 of his 25 passes for 194 yards and three touchdowns.<ref>{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez tosses 3 TDs as Jets soar into AFC title game|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310116017|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 16, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zn2LBMbt|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> With the win, Sanchez tied [[Len Dawson]], [[Roger Staubach]], [[Jake Delhomme]], and [[Joe Flacco]] for most post-season road victories by a quarterback in NFL history.<ref>{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez ties NFL record for most road playoff wins|url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/01/mark-sanchez-ties-nfl-record-for-most-road-playoff-wins/1|work=USA Today|publisher=Gannett Company|author=Leahy, Sean|date=January 17, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zn3ID8T8|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=January 17, 2011}}</ref> The team traveled to the AFC Championship, for a second consecutive season, to face the Pittsburgh Steelers on January 23, 2011.<ref name="0 for 2">{{cite news|title=Steelers headed to Super Bowl after Jets come up short|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310123023|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 23, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zn2m8GjO|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Heading into halftime losing 24–3, the team, led by Sanchez, engineered a comeback following a heartfelt speech given by the quarterback at halftime.<ref name="0 for 2"/><ref>{{cite web|title=B&C Morning Show: James Ihedigbo Talks Future With Jets, Mark Sanchez’s Leadership|url=http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/06/28/bc-morning-show-james-ihedigbo-talks-future-with-jets-mark-sanchezs-leadership/|work=|publisher=CBS New York|author=|date=June 28, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoi9aUAI|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> However, the team fell short as their final offensive drive was stymied by the Steelers' defense and the Jets lost 24–19.<ref name="0 for 2"/><br />
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Prior to the outset of the [[2011 NFL season|2011 season]], head coach Rex Ryan named Sanchez the team captain.<ref name="Captain Mark">{{cite news|title=Rex Ryan names Mark Sanchez a Jets team captain|url=http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_sports/Rex_Ryan_names_Mark_Sanchez_a_Jets_team_captain.html|work=|publisher=NorthJersey.com|agency=Associated Press|date=July 27, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60VDbuvxi|archivedate=July 27, 2011|accessdate=July 27, 2011}}</ref><br />
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== Player profile ==<br />
Sanchez has been praised for his ability to maintain composure, in spite of [[Defense (American football)|defensive pressure]], and focus on finding an open [[wide receiver|receiver]] on the field thus, allowing him to extend the team's [[Passing (American football)|offensive series]].<ref name="In the Pocket">{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez shows passer rating doesn't matter with ability to escape pressure and extend plays|url=http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-11-16/sports/27081447_1_sanchez-moves-rex-ryan-dustin-keller|work=New York Daily News|publisher=Mortimer Zuckerman|author=Mehta, Manish|date=November 16, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zpRC6HYB|archivedate=June 30, 2011|accessdate=June 30, 2011}}</ref> In his three year career, Sanchez has had eight fourth quarter comebacks and ten game winning drives.<ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives|url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=SancMa00|work=|publisher=Pro Football Reference|author=|date=|archiveurl=|archivedate=|accessdate=June 30, 2011}}</ref> His calm demeanor in pressing situations has earned him the respect of [[Bill Parcells]] and [[Sam Wyche]] and has even garnered comparisons to [[Ben Roethlisberger]] and [[Joe Montana]].<ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez coming through in the clutch|url=http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/25283/mark-sanchez-coming-through-in-the-clutch|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Graham, Tim|date=January 21, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60IvVDN7H|archivedate=July 19, 2011|accessdate=July 19, 2011}}</ref> <br />
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{{Quote box|quote="It's nice that he thinks about that, trying to build up people. That's another thing he's maturing with, understanding personalities and relationships, how you have to work them and build them."|source=—[[Brian Schottenheimer]] on Sanchez communicating with his teammates<ref name="Text">{{cite web|title=Message sent: Sanchez texts team|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&id=5686155|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Cimini, Rich|date=October 15, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zpR1uTvh|archivedate=June 30, 2011|accessdate=June 30, 2011}}</ref>|width=25%|align=right|style=padding:8px;}} <br />
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Sanchez is known for his fierce, competitive nature. In December 2010, following dismal performances, Rex Ryan threatened to reduce Sanchez's repetitions with the first-team offense during practice. Sanchez was immediately incensed and at one point was prepared to fight Ryan for his job.<ref>{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez, Rex Ryan laugh off 'GQ' comments, QB says fight would be Foreman vs. De La Hoya|url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2011/08/16/2011-08-16_mark_sanchez_rex_ryan_laugh_off_gq_comments_qb_says_fight_would_be_foreman_vs_de.html|work=The New York Daily News|publisher=Mortimer Zuckerman|author=Mehta, Manish|date=August 16, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/610RyS7bK|archivedate=August 17, 2011|accessdate=August 17, 2011}}</ref> <br />
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Sanchez has also been praised for his arm strength, immediately drawing comparisons to Hall of Fame quarterback [[Joe Namath]].<ref name="The Party">{{cite news|title=Party Boy? Nah, Mark Sanchez is a total dork|url=http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/party_boy_nah_nerdy_sanchez_6NtFLYFsOUDi20nwlhYYdI/0|work=New York Post|publisher=News Corporation|author=Karni, Annie|date=August 22, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zpR59nR6|archivedate=June 30, 2011|accessdate=June 30, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez has proven to be proficient in short passing situations as well.<ref name="USC 2006"/><ref>{{cite web|title=Sanchez makes mark on short passes|url=http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/14345/sanchez-makes-mark-on-short-passes|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=|date=December 19, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zpSxZrQ7|archivedate=June 30, 2011|accessdate=June 30, 2011}}</ref> He is well-respected and viewed as a leader amongst his peers.<ref name="Captain Mark"/> <br />
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After undergoing knee surgery following his rookie season, Sanchez established "Jets West" in 2010, an annual off-season camp located in his home state of California. Sanchez hosts workouts and offers classroom review sessions for his skill-position teammates on offense for one week. Originally intended to aid his rehabilitation, the sessions have grown into an extension of his leadership and fosters an environment to build team chemistry albeit exclusively with his offensive counterparts.<ref>{{cite web|title=Sanchez hosts teammates at "Jets West"|url=http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/5313/sanchez-hosts-teammates-at-jets-west|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Cimini, Rich|date=May 3, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Iwfy7vk|archivedate=July 19, 2011|accessdate=July 19, 2011}}</ref> During the [[2011 National Football League lockout|NFL labor dispute]], Sanchez managed to organize private workouts with over forty of his teammates.<ref>{{cite news|title=Jets begin player-run team workouts in New Jersey during lockout|url=http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/06/jets_begin_closed_player-run_p.html|work=The Star-Ledger|publisher=Advance Publications|author=Vrentas, Jenny|date=June 13, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Iwwdp49|archivedate=July 19, 2011|accessdate=July 19, 2011}}</ref><br />
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== Personal life ==<br />
[[File:2008-1101-USC-MarkSanchez.jpg|thumb|right|Sanchez on USC's traditional pregame "Trojan Walk"]]<br />
Sanchez is an avid fan of [[musical theatre]].<ref name="Theater">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez shows up at the Tony Awards|url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/13/mark-sanchez-shows-up-at-the-tony-awards|work=|publisher=ProFootballTalk|author=Rosenthal, Gregg|date=June 13, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zo1kje7q|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 13, 2010}}</ref> He was a presenter at the [[64th Tony Awards|2010 Tony Awards]], where he introduced a number from the Broadway musical ''[[Memphis (musical)|Memphis]]''.<ref name="Theater"/> On stage at [[Radio City Music Hall]], Sanchez stated, "I've become a huge fan of musicals since I've come to New York, and I've taken some heat from guys on the team, believe me."<ref name="Theater"/><br />
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Sanchez's father is a [[Firefighter|fire captain]] for the [[Orange County Fire Authority]] and a member of the national urban search and rescue team. In college, Nick Sanchez played quarterback for [[East Los Angeles College]], was later a sergeant in the [[United States Army]].<ref name="NYT091208"/> His two older brothers both played college football. Nick Jr. attended [[Yale University]] where he played quarterback while Brandon attended [[DePauw University]] where he played on the offensive line.<ref name="ESPNtM081108"/> Nick Jr. went on to attend the [[University of Southern California Law School|USC Law School]] and is a business attorney; Brandon became a [[mortgage broker]].<ref name="NYT091208"/><ref>{{cite web|title=Nick Sanchez|url=http://www.tocounsel.com/professionals/attorneys/getProfile.asp?attorneyID=30|work=|publisher=Theodora Oringher PC|author=|date=|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zo153HpK|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=January 28, 2009}}</ref><br />
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=== Philanthropic works ===<br />
Sanchez has been involved in multiple charities including the [[Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation]] to help raise awareness for [[Type 1 diabetes]]. He is also involved with [[Sam's Club]]'s ''Giving Made Simple'' which, helps raise awareness about [[childhood obesity]] and how families can prevent it.<ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez, Rihanna Team Up for Charities in Miami|url=http://www.nesn.com/2010/02/mark-sanchez-rihanna-team-up-for-charities-in-miami.html|work=|publisher=New England Sports Network|author=Kobialka, Daniel|date=February 7, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Q8Bx97Z|archivedate=July 24, 2011|accessdate=July 24, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Football Star Mark Sanchez Huddles-Up with Sam’s Club® for a Great Cause|url=http://www3.samsclub.com/NewsRoom/Press/1033|work=|publisher=Sam's Club|author=|date=July 12, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Q7y3D6E|archivedate=July 24, 2011|accessdate=July 24, 2011}}</ref><br />
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Sanchez has worked with the Teddy Atlas Foundation through which he met Aiden Binkley, a terminally ill 11-year old struck with [[rhabdomyosarcoma]]. Sanchez developed a bond with Binkley and the two remained close friends until Binkley's death in December 2010 which devastated Sanchez.<ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez mourns Aiden Binkley|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5991920|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Cimini, Rich|date=January 6, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Q8J53hm|archivedate=July 24, 2011|accessdate=July 24, 2011}}</ref><br />
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=== Mexican-American identity ===<br />
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| style="text-align: left;" | "Some people wanted me to be the Latino quarterback. Some people wanted me to be the USC quarterback who happens to be Latino. <nowiki>[I decided to]</nowiki> just be me and do my best with everything and not try to be something I'm not." <br />
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| style="text-align: left;" | — Sanchez on the challenge of being a role model<ref name="LAT122908">{{cite news|title=More than pads on his shoulders|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/29/sports/sp-sanchez29|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Baxter, Kevin|date=December 29, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zo2UE9i1|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=January 16, 2009}}</ref><br />
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When Sanchez was elevated to prominence at USC, he found himself a symbol of Mexican-American identity and a role model for younger generations.<ref name="ESPNtM081108"/><ref name=LAT122908/> Sanchez was placed on [[Celebrity|center stage]] in [[Los Angeles]], home to more than 4.6 million [[Hispanics]], the majority of whom are of Mexican descent.<ref name="Beyond the Field">{{cite web|title=Sanchez's impact can go beyond field with Mexican-American roots|url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d80f85db6/article/sanchezs-impact-can-go-beyond-field-with-mexicanamerican-roots|work=|publisher=National Football League|author=Allen, Jennifer|date=April 22, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zo3E7LbC|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> While there had been previous, successful Mexican-American quarterbacks such as [[Tom Flores]], [[Jim Plunkett]], [[Joe Kapp]], [[Jeff Garcia]], [[Tony Romo]], and [[Marc Bulger]], unlike most of his predecessors, Sanchez is a third-generation, full Mexican and none had been embraced to the extent Sanchez was.<ref name="OCW082108"/><ref name="Beyond the Field"/> USC fans began playing up Sanchez's ethnicity by wearing items such as [[sarape]]s, [[lucha libre]] masks and homemade "¡Viva Sanchez!" T-shirts.<ref name="Beyond the Field"/> His rise to fame within the Mexican-American community was compared to that of boxer [[Oscar De La Hoya]] and baseball pitcher [[Fernando Valenzuela#Fernandomania|Fernando Valenzuela]].<ref name="OCW082108"/><ref name="LAT122908"/> <br />
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While starting for an injured John David Booty in 2007, Sanchez wore a custom [[mouthguard]] that featured the colors of the [[Mexican flag]] in honor of his heritage.<ref name="Beyond the Field"/><ref name="Noise in Oregon">{{cite news|title=Sanchez prepared for Oregon noise|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/23/sports/sp-uscrep23|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=October 23, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zo4lWKZ1|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> It became a prominent issue after his nationally televised game against Notre Dame.<ref name="Beyond the Field"/> The mouthpiece became a symbol for two opposing viewpoints: for Mexican-Americans, it was a symbol of unity—Sanchez accepting his heritage; for critics, the gesture symbolized a radical [[political statement]].<ref name="LAT102607">{{cite news|title=A mouthpiece says it all|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/26/opinion/oe-arellano26|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Arellano, Gustavo|date=October 26, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoCv8fV2|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=January 16, 2009}}</ref> Sanchez, who was born and raised in the [[United States]], reportedly received letters urging him to return to Mexico.<ref name="Beyond the Field"/> Sanchez responded to the controversy stating, "It’s not a Mexican power thing or anything like that. It’s just a little bit of pride in our heritage. Hopefully, it inspires somebody and it’s all for the best."<ref name="Noise in Oregon"/> Overwhelmed by the attention and shying away from politics, Sanchez stopped wearing the mouthpiece, but began participating in other efforts to help the Hispanic community.<ref name="LAT122908"/><br />
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Sanchez, who knew how to speak some Spanish but was not bilingual going into his junior season at USC, began to take Spanish lessons so he could have conversations with others who share his heritage and conduct interviews with the media without the use of a translator.<ref name="OCW082108"/><ref name="ESPNtM081108"/><ref name="LAT122908"/> The [[Spirit of Troy|USC band]] played "[[El Matador]]" when Sanchez would take the field.<ref>{{cite news|title=The Matador|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1145937/index.htm|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Lawrence, Andrew|date=October 6, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoFUX0S0|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=January 16, 2009}}</ref> Sanchez participated in a fundraiser to help provide school supplies to first-graders in the city of Long Beach and region of [[South Bay, Los Angeles|South Bay]], and helped Mayor [[Antonio Villaraigosa]] give holiday gifts to impoverished families.<ref name="LAT122908"/> By the end of his USC career, he had been hailed as a significant role model for Hispanic youth.<ref>{{cite news|title=A UCLA Bruin Plea for USC's Mark Sanchez to Stay in School|url=http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2009/01/a_ucla_bruin_plea_for_uscs_mar.php|work=OC Weekly|publisher=Village Voice Media|author=Arellano, Gustavo|date=January 2, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoFLI0tn|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=January 16, 2009}}</ref> Sanchez serves as the Ambassador to the [[Inner-City Games|Inner-City Games Los Angeles]], an after-school program that provides "at-risk youth" with positive, alternative activities.<ref name="Inner City">{{cite news|title=Sanchez to throw first pitch at Angels game|url=http://www.ocregister.com/news/center-150622-sanchez-angels.html|work=The Orange County Register|publisher=Freedom Communications|author=Garcia, Mark|date=July 22, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoG9nJFS|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez was most recently seen throwing out the first pitch at a [[Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim|Los Angeles Angels]] game in July 2009 on behalf of the Inner-City organization.<ref name="Inner City"/> [[ESPN Radio]] came to an agreement with the Jets to broadcast all of the team's regular season games in [[2011 NFL season|2011]] on [[KSPN (AM)|710 ESPN Radio]] in [[Los Angeles]]. The agreement came about due to Sanchez's continued popularity in California.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez’s Jets to be broadcast on ESPN Radio in Los Angeles this season|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/sanchezs-jets-to-be-broadcast-on-espn-radio-in-los-angeles-this-season/2011/08/11/gIQAb4Ra9I_story.html|work=The Washington Post|publisher=The Washington Post Company|agency=Associated Press|date=August 11, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/610U2cmr2|archivedate=August 17, 2011|accessdate=August 17, 2011}}</ref><br />
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== Statistics ==<br />
=== USC ===<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2"|Year !! rowspan="2"|Team !! rowspan="2"|G !! rowspan="2"|GS !! colspan="8" |Passing !! colspan="4" |Rushing <br />
|-<br />
! Att !! Comp !! Pct !! Yds !! Y/A !! TD !! Int !! Rtg !! Att !! Yds !! Avg !! TD <br />
|-<br />
![[2006 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2006]] !! [[2006 USC Trojans football team|USC]]<br />
| 3 || 0 || 7 || 3 || 42.9 || 63 || 9.0 || 0 || 1 || 89.9 || 4 || -5 || -1.3 || 1 <br />
|-<br />
![[2007 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2007]] !! [[2007 USC Trojans football team|USC]]<br />
| 6 || 3 || 114 || 69 || 60.5 || 695 || 6.1 || 7 || 5 || 123.2 || 14 || 22 || 1.6 || 0 <br />
|-<br />
![[2008 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2008]] !! [[2008 USC Trojans football team|USC]]<br />
| 13 || 13 || 366 || 241 || 65.8 || 3207 || 8.8 || 34 || 10 || 164.6 || 52 || 16 || 0.3 || 3 <br />
|-<br />
!colspan="2"|Total<small><ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez|url=http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mark-sanchez-1.html|work=|publisher=SR/College Football|author=|date=|archiveurl=|archivedate=|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref></small> !! 22 !! 16 !! 487 !! 313 !! 64.3 !! 3965 !! 8.1 !! 41 !! 16 !! 153.9 !! 70 !! 33 !! 0.3 !! 4 <br />
|}<br />
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=== New York Jets ===<br />
==== Regular season ====<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2"|Year !! rowspan="2"|Team !! rowspan="2"|G !! rowspan="2"|GS !! colspan="8" |Passing !! colspan="4" |Rushing !! colspan="2" |Sacked !! colspan="2" |Fumbles<br />
|-<br />
! Att !! Comp !! Pct !! Yds !! Y/A !! TD !! Int !! Rtg !! Att !! Yds !! Avg !! TD !! Sack !! YdsL !! Fum !! FumL<br />
|-<br />
![[2009 NFL season|2009]] !! [[2009 New York Jets season|NYJ]]<br />
| 15 || 15 || 364 || 196 || 53.8 || 2444 || 6.7 || 12 || 20 || 63.0 || 36 || 106 || 2.9 || 3 || 26 || 195 || 10 || 3<br />
|-<br />
![[2010 NFL season|2010]] !! [[2010 New York Jets season|NYJ]]<br />
| 16 || 16 || 507 || 278 || 54.8 || 3291 || 6.5 || 17 || 13 || 75.3 || 30 || 105 || 3.5 || 3 || 27 || 171 || 9 || 1<br />
|-<br />
![[2011 NFL season|2011]] !! [[2011 New York Jets season|NYJ]]<br />
| 16 || 16 || 543 || 308 || 56.7 || 3474 || 6.4 || 26 || 18 || 83.1 || 37 || 103 || 2.8 || 6 || 39 || 243 || 10 || 8<br />
|-<br />
!colspan="2"|Total<small><ref name="Sanchez stats"/></small> !! 47 !! 47 !! 1414 !! 782 !! 55.3 !! 9209 !! 6.5 !! 55 !! 51 !! 73.2 !! 103 !! 314 !! 3.0 !! 12 !! 92 !! 609 !! 28 !! 12<br />
|}<br />
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==== Playoffs ====<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2"|Year !! rowspan="2"|Team !! rowspan="2"|G !! rowspan="2"|GS !! colspan="8" |Passing !! colspan="4" |Rushing<br />
|-<br />
! Att !! Comp !! Pct !! Yds !! Y/A !! TD !! Int !! Rtg !! Att !! Yds !! Avg !! TD <br />
|-<br />
![[2009 NFL season|2009]] !! [[2009 New York Jets season|NYJ]]<br />
| 3 || 3 || 68 || 41 || 60.3 || 539 || 7.9 || 4 || 2 || 92.7 || 6 || -2 || -0.3 || 0<br />
|-<br />
![[2010 NFL season|2010]] !! [[2010 New York Jets season|NYJ]]<br />
| 3 || 3 || 89 || 54 || 60.9 || 616 || 6.9 || 5 || 1 || 97.3 || 5 || 11 || 2.2 || 0<br />
|-<br />
!colspan="2"|Total<small><ref name="Sanchez stats"/></small> !! 6 !! 6 !! 157 !! 95 !! 60.5 !! 1155!! 7.4 !! 9 !! 3 !! 94.3 !! 11 !! 9 !! 0.82 !! 0 <br />
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== Career highlights ==<br />
=== Awards and honors ===<br />
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! style="background:#ccf;"|Award/Honor<br />
! style="background:#ccf;"|Time(s)<br />
! style="background:#ccf;"|Year(s)<br />
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! colspan="10" center; background:#ccccff;|<span style="color:black;">'''National Football League'''</span><br />
|-<br />
|[[Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week]]<ref name="Rookie awards"/><br />
|3<br />
|2009<br />
|-<br />
|''[[Sporting News]]''' All Rookie Team<ref name="All-rookie"/><br />
|1<br />
|2009<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="10" center; background:#ccccff;|<span style="color:black;">'''College'''<small><ref name="Awards, honors">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez|url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/mark-sanchez?id=79858|work=|publisher=National Football League|author=|date=|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60J4OkwjL|archivedate=July 19, 2011|accessdate=July 19, 2011}}</ref></small></span><br />
|-<br />
|[[Rose Bowl Game|Rose Bowl]] Champion<br />
|3<br />
|2007, 2008, 2009<br />
|-<br />
|[[2009 Rose Bowl|Rose Bowl]] Offensive Most Valuable Player<br />
|1<br />
|2009<br />
|-<br />
|First Team All-[[Pac 10]]<br />
|1<br />
|2008<br />
|-<br />
|''[[Sports Illustrated]]'' and ''[[Pro Football Weekly]]'' All-American Honorable Mention<br />
|1<br />
|2008<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="10" center; background:#ccccff;|<span style="color:black;">'''High school'''<small><ref name="Awards, honors"/></small></span><br />
|-<br />
|Super Prep All-American Player of the Year<br />
|1<br />
|2004<br />
|-<br />
|[[Parade (magazine)|Parade]] All-American Player of the Year<br />
|1<br />
|2004<br />
|-<br />
|CIF Division II Champion<br />
|1<br />
|2004<br />
|-<br />
|All-CIF Division II Co-Offensive Player of the Year<br />
|1<br />
|2004<br />
|}<br />
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=== Records ===<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
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|+'''NFL Records'''<br />
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! style="background:#ccf;"|Accomplishment<br />
! style="background:#ccf;"|Record <small>(as of January 24, 2011)</small><br />
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! style="background:#dde;" colspan="2"|Regular season<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="10" center; background:#ccccff;|<span style="color:black;">''None''</span><br />
|-<br />
! style="background:#dde;" colspan="2"|Postseason<br />
|-<br />
|Tied for most post-season road victories by a quarterback in NFL history (tied with [[Len Dawson]], [[Roger Staubach]], [[Jake Delhomme]] and Joe Flacco)<ref name="Sanchez two years"/><br />
|4<br />
|}<br />
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== References ==<br />
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*[http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/roster/Mark-Sanchez/bad48722-df0b-45db-9f0b-04a86abb4cd9 New York Jets bio]<br />
*[http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sanchez_mark00.html USC Trojans bio]<br />
*[http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12482 Mark Sanchez] at [[ESPN.com]]<br />
*{{twitter|Mark_Sanchez}}<br />
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{{About|the American football player|the politician|Mark Sanchez (politician)}}<br />
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|name=Mark Sanchez<br />
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|width=250<br />
|caption=Sanchez during the Jets' 2009 preseason game against the [[Philadelphia Eagles]].<br />
|currentteam=New York Jets<br />
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|birth_place=[[Long Beach, California]]<br />
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|debutteam=New York Jets<br />
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|college=[[University of Southern California|Southern California]]<!-- Please do not replace So. Cal with USC; see Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Joe McKnight --><br />
|draftyear=2009<br />
|draftround=1<br />
|draftpick=5<br />
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|status=Active<br />
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*Tied for most postseason road victories by an NFL quarterback (4)<br />
*''[[Sporting News]]''' All-Rookie Team selection<br />
*3× [[Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week]] Winner<br />
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|statlabel3=Percentage<br />
|statvalue3=55.3<br />
|statlabel4=[[Touchdown|TD]]–[[Interception (football)|INT]]<br />
|statvalue4=55-51<br />
|statlabel5=Passing Yards<br />
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'''Mark Travis John Sanchez''' (born November 11, 1986<ref name="Sanchez stats">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez|url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00.htm|work=|publisher=Pro Football Reference|author=|date=|archiveurl=|archivedate=|accessdate=June 26, 2011}}</ref>) is an [[American football]] [[quarterback]] for the [[New York Jets]] of the [[National Football League]] (NFL). He was drafted in the first round of the [[2009 NFL Draft]] as the fifth overall selection by the Jets and the second quarterback taken overall. He played [[college football]] at the [[USC Trojans football|University of Southern California]] (USC). <br />
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Sanchez grew up in a well-disciplined and athletic family. In the eighth grade, he began to play football and learn the intricacies of the quarterback position, training with his father, Nick. A well-regarded prospect, Sanchez committed to Southern California following his successful high school career in which he led his team to a championship title during his final season. At USC, Sanchez was relegated as the backup quarterback during his first three years though he rose to prominence due to his brief appearances on the field in 2007 due to injuries suffered by starting quarterback [[John David Booty]]. Sanchez also became popular within the community due to his [[Mexican-American]] heritage. Named the starter in 2008, Sanchez led USC to a 12–1 record and won the [[2009 Rose Bowl|Rose Bowl]] against [[2008 Penn State Nittany Lions football team|Penn State]] for which Sanchez was awarded the [[MVP|Most Valuable Player award]] for his performance on [[Offense (sports)|offense]]. <br />
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Although many considered him too inexperienced, Sanchez announced his intention to enter the [[NFL Draft]]. He was selected by the Jets and named the starting quarterback prior to the start of [[2009 NFL season|the season]]. Despite a subpar performance, Sanchez led the Jets to the [[AFC Championship Game]], a losing effort to the [[Indianapolis Colts]], becoming the fourth rookie quarterback in NFL history to win his first playoff game and the second to win two playoff games. In his second season, Sanchez continued to develop and led the Jets to the playoffs and the team's second consecutive AFC Championship Game where they narrowly lost to the [[Pittsburgh Steelers]], 24–19. <br />
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With the win over the [[New England Patriots]] the week prior, Sanchez tied four other quarterbacks for the most post-season road victories by a quarterback in NFL history. In leading the Jets to two consecutive conference championships, Sanchez joined quarterback [[Ben Roethlisberger]] as the only two quarterbacks in NFL history to reach the conference championship in their first two seasons in the league.<ref name="Sanchez two years">{{cite web|title="The NFL Today" Previews AFC Championship Game with features on New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez and Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin on Sunday, Jan. 23 on "The NFL Today"|url=http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/cbs_network/release?id=27333|work=|publisher=CBS|author=|date=January 21, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Lf3Vbzw|archivedate=July 21, 2011|accessdate=July 21, 2011}}</ref> <br />
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== Early life ==<br />
Mark was born in [[Long Beach, California]] to Nick Sr. and Olga Sanchez.<ref name="OCW082108">{{cite news|title=Why Do People Have a Problem With OC-Raised USC QB Mark Sanchez Being Proud of His Mexican Heritage?|url=http://www.ocweekly.com/2008-08-21/news/oc-raised-usc-qb-mark-sanchez-is-proud-of-his-heritage-but-some-people-have-a-problem-with-that/1/|work=OC Weekly|publisher=Village Voice Media|author=Davis, David|date=August 21, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zjiShvqf|archivedate=June 26, 2011|accessdate=August 28, 2008}}</ref> When Mark was four, his parents divorced; Mark and his brothers, Nick Jr. and Brandon, stayed with their father but their mother remained involved in their upbringing.<ref name="ESPNtM081108">{{cite web|title=¡Viva Sanchez!|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3511275|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Arangure, Jorge Jr.|date=August 11, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5znySPxcz|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=February 17, 2009}}</ref> Mark initially lived in [[Whittier, California|Whittier]] and [[Pico Rivera, California|Pico Rivera]]; when he was six his father moved with the children to [[Rancho Santa Margarita, California|Rancho Santa Margarita]], a predominantly [[White people|white]] neighborhood of [[Orange County, California|Orange County]].<ref name="OCW082108"/><ref name="NYT091208">{{cite news|title=A Strong Arm and a Strong Mind|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/sports/ncaafootball/13usc.html|work=The New York Times|publisher=The New York Times Company|author=Witz, Billy|date=September 12, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5znyf8fiy|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=April 26, 2009}}</ref> <br />
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Mark's father remarried and raised them strictly, seeking to influence them to become leaders.<ref name="ESPNtM081108"/><ref name="NYT091208"/> Throughout his childhood and teenage years, Mark's father would have him combine athletic and mental training. Mark would have to dribble a basketball without looking at it while reciting [[multiplication tables]]; practice baseball swings in a [[batting cage]] while answering questions about the [[Periodic table#Standard periodic table|periodic table]] and similar combined drills that his father hoped would develop quick thinking and self-confidence that would guide Mark in all areas of life and not simply sports.<ref name="NYT091208"/><br />
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By the time Mark entered the eighth grade, he had developed an interest in football but was unsure of what position to play. His father consulted coaches Bill Cunerty, who formerly coached at [[Saddleback College]], and Bob Johnson, the head coach at [[Mission Viejo High School]].<ref name="OCW082108"/> Both coaches stated Mark could be a quarterback if he applied himself and was open to learning the intricacies of the position.<ref name="OCW082108"/> Nick Sr. trained Mark during sessions in their backyard or at the park.<ref name="OCW082108"/> Mark, who was attending [[Santa Margarita Catholic High School|Santa Margarita High School]], joined the [[High school football|football]] team. During his first [[Pass attempt#American and Canadian football|pass attempt]] as a sophomore, Mark threw a 55-yard touchdown.<ref name="OCW082108"/> <br />
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Prior to his junior year of high school, Mark transferred to Mission Viejo,<ref name="USC 2006"/> where Johnson, who was recognized as a "quarterback guru", having trained professionals like [[Carson Palmer]], was head coach. Under Johnson's tutelage, Mark felt he would have a better opportunity to become a better player.<ref name="OCW082108"/> Johnson tutored Mark on the complexities of the position and in two seasons with the team, Mark led the Diablos to a 27–1 record culminating with the [[California Interscholastic Federation]] Division II championship in 2004.<ref name="OCW082108"/> <br />
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Mark was named football player of the year by several major college recruiting services and was considered the top quarterback in the nation upon the conclusion of his high school football career in 2005.<ref name="SI041808">{{cite news|title=Sanchez expected to continue USC's long line of excellence at QB|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/04/18/usc.sanchez/index.html?eref=T1|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Mandel, Stewart|date=April 18, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zjlSIlCx|archivedate=June 26, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> In July 2004, Mark announced his commitment to the University of Southern California.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez Commits to Trojans|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/20/sports/sp-region20|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=|date=July 20, 2004|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zjluV7Zf|archivedate=June 26, 2011|accessdate=June 26, 2011}}</ref><br />
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== College career ==<br />
Being named the nation's top quarterback coming out of high school, Sanchez was well regarded upon his arrival at USC.<ref>{{cite news|title=Next in line?|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/01/18/mandel.011805/|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Mandel, Stewart|date=January 19, 2005|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zjq15l3P|archivedate=June 26, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> With upperclassmen [[Matt Leinart]] and [[John David Booty]] returning, Sanchez did not play during his freshman year in [[2005 USC Trojans football team|2005]], opting to [[Redshirt (college sports)|preserve a year of eligibility]].<ref name="Freshman">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez|url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/mark-sanchez?id=79858&campaign=Google_Draft_MarkSanchez|work=|publisher=National Football League|author=|date=|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zjqcLQdI|archivedate=June 26, 2011|accessdate=June 26, 2011}}</ref> During this time, he participated as the quarterback of USC's [[scout team]], earning the Trojans' Service Team Offensive Player of the Year Award.<ref name="Freshman"/><br />
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[[File:2008-1018-017-MarkSanchez.jpg|thumb|upright|left|Sanchez in 2008]]<br />
In April 2006, Sanchez was arrested after a female USC student accused him of [[sexual assault]]. He was released from jail the following day and suspended. On June 3, 2006, the [[Los Angeles County District Attorney]]'s office announced no charges would be filed, and Sanchez was reinstated, though he was disciplined by the football team for underage drinking and using false identification on the night he was arrested.<ref>{{cite web|title=USC Quarterback Won't Face Sexual Assault Charges|url=http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=4209059|work=|publisher=Los Angeles ABC 7|author=|date=June 3, 2006|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkmjBCTB|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=USC QB Sanchez won't face sexual assault charges|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2468540|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=June 2, 2006|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkmycLkD|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Report: USC reinstates QB Sanchez|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2472859|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=|date=June 6, 2006|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zknJ6gUx|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=March 18, 2010}}</ref><br />
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At the outset of the [[2006 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2006 season]], Sanchez competed for the starting quarterback position; once Booty, a [[Junior (education)#College|junior]], suffered severe back spasms caused by a pre-existing back condition, surgery was required and Sanchez was promoted to run the first-team offense during the spring as Booty recovered.<ref>{{cite web|title=USC quarterback might miss rest of spring|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2381621|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Maisel, Ivan|date=March 27, 2006|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60vysiOht|archivedate=August 14, 2011|accessdate=August 14, 2011}}</ref> Coaches stated Booty would be considered the starting quarterback when he returned for fall practice.<ref name="LAT101207">{{cite news|title=Call For Backup|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/12/sports/sp-usc12|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=October 12, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkoOdkDa|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> During the [[2006 USC Trojans football team|2006 season]], Sanchez saw limited playing time in games against [[2006 Arkansas Razorbacks football team|Arkansas]], [[2006 Stanford Cardinal football team|Stanford]] and [[2006 Oregon Ducks football team|Oregon]]. Through those three games, Sanchez completed 3 of his 7 pass attempts for 63 yards and 1 interception.<ref name="Game logs">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez Career Game Log|url=http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mark-sanchez-1/gamelog/|work=|publisher=SR/College Football|author=|date=|archiveurl=|archivedate=|accessdate=August 14, 2011}}</ref> He also saw additional action against [[Arizona Wildcats football|Arizona]], [[2006 Michigan Wolverines football team|Michigan]], and [[2006 Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team|Notre Dame]] but he did not attempt a pass in those contests.<ref name="USC 2006">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez|url=http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sanchez_mark00.html|work=|publisher=USC Trojans|author=|date=|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoHHxBbP|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> <br />
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In fall practice, before [[2007 USC Trojans football team|USC's]] [[2007 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2007 season]], Sanchez broke his right thumb, missing the first game against [[Idaho Vandals football|Idaho]]; he returned the following week and served as the primary backup to Booty.<ref name="USC 2006"/> Sanchez earned limited playing time in wins against [[2007 Nebraska Cornhuskers football team|Nebraska]] and [[2007 Washington State Cougars football team|Washington State]].<ref name="Game logs"/> Sanchez was named the starting quarterback by head coach [[Pete Carroll]] against Arizona after Booty suffered a broken finger during a 24–23 loss to [[2007 Stanford Cardinal football team|Stanford]].<ref name="LAT101207"/> <br />
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[[File:2008-0830-USC-UVA-MarkSanchez.jpg|thumb|upright|Sanchez runs off the field after pregame warm-ups before the 2008 season opener at Virginia.]]<br />
On October 13, Sanchez led USC to a 20–13 victory, overcoming a wavering performance during the first half of the game in which he threw two interceptions, as Arizona went on to tie the game heading into halftime.<ref name="Victory over AZ">{{cite news|title=Sanchez overcomes shaky start for USC|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/14/sports/sp-uscside14|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Bolch, Ben|date=October 14, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkp3IqLf|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> During the second half, Sanchez was more proficient in passing the ball and ultimately finished the game completing 19 of his 31 passes while throwing for 130 yards with one touchdown and two interceptions.<ref name="Victory over AZ"/> With Booty still recovering, USC elected to start Sanchez for a second consecutive week against [[2007 Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team|Notre Dame]]; he made significant improvements, completing 21 of his 38 passes for 235 yards and four touchdowns in a 38–0 victory over Notre Dame.<ref>{{cite news|title=Local eyes are smiling / USC gets its biggest victory over Notre Dame, 38-0, and UCLA pulls rank on California with a 30-21 upset|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/21/sports/sp-usc21|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=October 21, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkpVUCcV|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref><br />
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On October 27, Sanchez started for the final time in place of the injured Booty, an away game against [[2007 Oregon Ducks football team|Oregon]].<ref name="Misery in Oregon">{{cite news|title=Hope takes holiday|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/28/sports/sp-usc28|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=October 28, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zkqQ4FB7|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> USC lost, 24–17; Sanchez had two passes intercepted by Oregon [[Safety (American football position)|safety]] Matthew Harper in the second half.<ref name="Misery in Oregon"/> The first interception led to a fourth-quarter touchdown that gave Oregon a 14-point lead; the second interception ended USC's final chance for a comeback.<ref name="Misery in Oregon"/> In spite of a myriad of mistakes committed by his teammates in addition to his own, Sanchez publicly accepted blame for the loss.<ref name="Misery in Oregon"/> The following week, against [[2007 Oregon State Beavers football team|Oregon State]], Booty returned as USC's starting quarterback, with Sanchez resuming his position as Booty's backup.<ref>{{cite news|title=Booty keeps eyes on what's next|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/02/sports/sp-booty2|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=November 2, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zks7wL9L|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> Sanchez did not perform in subsequent games and finished the season with 695 yards and seven touchdowns with five interceptions.<ref name="Game logs"/><ref name="AP011509a">{{cite web|title=Sanchez will enter NFL draft|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3835329|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=|date=January 15, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zksPIts9|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 15, 2009}}</ref><br />
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Sanchez entered spring practice after the [[2008 USC Trojans football team|2008 season]] as the front-runner to take over the starting quarterback position, but faced strong competition from redshirt freshman [[Aaron Corp]] and [[Mitch Mustain]], a transfer from [[Arkansas Razorbacks|Arkansas]], where he had been the starting quarterback; Mustain, like Sanchez, was named the top quarterback in the nation upon the conclusion of high school career in 2006.<ref name="SI041808"/><ref>{{cite news|title=Spring primer|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/03/05/spring.questions/index.html?eref=T1|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Mandel, Stewart|date=March 6, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlC48dNq|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> By the end of spring practice, Carroll announced Sanchez would be the starting quarterback heading into the fall.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez gets the nod at USC|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/16/sports/sp-usc16|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=April 16, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlCjJbTx|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=July 31, 2008}}</ref> During the first week of fall camp, Sanchez dislocated his left kneecap during [[Warming up|warm-ups]] prior to practice; trainers immediately put the kneecap back into place.<ref>{{cite news|title=Injury clouds waters at USC|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/09/sports/sp-sanchez9|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=August 9, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlDaLvLA|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=August 11, 2008}}</ref> After missing nearly three weeks, Sanchez was cleared to play in the opener against [[University of Virginia|Virginia]].<ref>{{cite news|title=An uneven Sanchez cleared to play|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/27/sports/sp-usc27|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary; David Wharton|date=August 27, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlEHGm9E|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=August 27, 2008}}</ref> Before the opener, Sanchez was contacted by USC's previous three quarterbacks—[[Carson Palmer]], Leinart and Booty—who wished him well and offered general advice.<ref>{{cite news|title=Ready For His Close-up|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/30/sports/sp-usc30|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=August 30, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlERqbF1|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=September 3, 2008}}</ref><br />
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[[File:2008-1206-USC-UCLA-014-RB-Sanchez-band.jpg|thumb|left|Sanchez, holding the sword of the USC drum major, salutes the fans after a victory in his final regular season game at [[UCLA–USC rivalry|rival UCLA]].]]<br />
In the opener at Virginia, Sanchez threw for a career-best 338 yards, completing 26 of his 35 passes for three touchdowns and one interception.<ref>{{cite news|title=Trojans are all tuned up|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/31/sports/sp-usc31|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=August 31, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlHbkmNi|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=September 3, 2008}}</ref> The [[Davey O'Brien Foundation]] named him the O'Brien Quarterback of the Week and his performance garnered early [[Heisman Trophy|Heisman]] discussion.<ref>{{cite web|title=Sanchez bounces back from pre-season injury in season opener|url=http://www.daveyobrien.org/adminnm/templates/press.asp?articleid=115&zoneid=16|work=|publisher=Davey O'Brien Foundation|author=|date=September 3, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlJyytrX|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=September 3, 2008}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Despite injury, Beanie Wells stays on top; Tebow, Moreno loom|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/gene_menez/09/02/watch.2/1.html|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Menez, Gene|date=September 2, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlKdNhM4|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=September 3, 2008}}</ref> The Trojans suffered a stunning 27–21 loss against [[2008 Oregon State Beavers football team|Oregon State]] on September 25. By seasons end, the Trojans' lone loss was enough to remove them from contending for the [[BCS Championship Game|BCS National Title]] and instead they were to play in the [[Rose Bowl Game|Rose Bowl]] against [[Penn State]].<ref name="Bowl off">{{cite news|title=Sanchez throws for 413 yards, 4 TDs in latest Rose Bowl rout|url=http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=290010030|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 1, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60w7ZX9W0|archivedate=August 14, 2011|accessdate=August 14, 2011}}</ref> The Trojans defeated the Nittany Lions 38–24. Sanchez won the 2009 Rose Bowl Most Valuable Player award for his performance on offense; his 413 passing yards ranked second in the history of the Rose Bowl and fourth in Trojan history.<ref name="Bowl off"/><ref name="College records">{{cite news|title=USC's Stafon Johson to return; C.J. Gable might not|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/02/sports/sp-uscfyi2|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary; Mark Medina, Chris Dufresne and Mike Hiserman|date=January 2, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlLFlsA0|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 14, 2009}}</ref> With Sanchez starting all thirteen games, the Trojans ended the season 12–1 and ranked number two in the [[Coaches' Poll]] and number three in the [[AP Poll]].<ref name="Game logs"/><ref>{{cite news|title=The Final Polls|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/09/sports/sp-pollscover9|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=January 9, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlL2htuK|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 18, 2009}}</ref> Sanchez finished the season with 3,207 yards passing, 34 touchdowns, second most in Trojan history, behind Leinart, and 10 interceptions.<ref name="AP011509a"/><ref name="College records"/> <br />
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Upon the conclusion of the Rose Bowl, Sanchez stated it would be "hard to say goodbye to [USC]. I don’t think I can do it."<ref>{{cite news|title=USC football: Rose Bowl can’t be deciding factor for Sanchez|url=http://usc.ocregister.com/2009/01/02/usc-football-rose-bowl-cant-be-deciding-factor-for-sanchez/7978/|work=The Orange County Register|publisher=Freedom Communications|author=Lev, Michael|date=January 2, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlMfH5MO|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> However, with the subsequent announcement that other NFL-caliber quarterbacks, such as [[Sam Bradford]], [[Tim Tebow]], and [[Colt McCoy]] had decided to stay in school, rumors arose that Sanchez would use the opportunity to enter the [[2009 NFL Draft]].<ref>{{cite news|title=Oklahoma's Sam Bradford will stay; will Mark Sanchez now go?|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/15/sports/sp-sanchez-usc-nfl15|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=January 15, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlM3t4dY|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 15, 2009}}</ref> On January 15, Sanchez announced his plans to forgo his final year of college eligibility and enter the 2009 NFL Draft, although he continued as a USC student and completed work on his [[Academic degree|degree]] in the spring of 2009 while preparing for the draft.<ref name="AP011509a"/><ref>{{cite news|title=NFL draft: The Mark Sanchez interview (Part 3 of 3)|url=http://usc.ocregister.com/2009/02/13/nfl-draft-the-mark-sanchez-interview-part-3-of-3/10275/|work=The Orange County Register|publisher=Freedom Communications|author=Lev, Michael|date=February 13, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlOicnFG|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref><br />
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Sanchez became the first USC quarterback to leave early since [[Todd Marinovich]] did so after the 1990 season.<ref>{{cite news|title=Good luck to USC's next quarterback|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/16/sports/sp-crowe-text-messages16|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Crowe, Jerry|date=January 16, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlP7B2nf|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 16, 2009}}</ref> During the press conference, head coach Pete Carroll made it clear that he did not agree with Sanchez's decision, and advised him of the low success-rate of quarterbacks who left college early.<ref name="AP011509a"/> Despite the public disagreement, the two remained close afterward.<ref>{{cite news|title=NFL draft: The Mark Sanchez interview (Part 1 of 3)|url=http://usc.ocregister.com/2009/02/13/nfl-draft-the-mark-sanchez-interview-part-1-of-3/10201/|work=The Orange County Register|publisher=Freedom Communications|author=Lev, Michael|date=February 13, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlOsg9Ee|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref><br />
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== Professional career ==<br />
=== 2009 NFL Draft ===<br />
Sanchez hired his older brother and business [[litigator]], Nick Sanchez, to be his [[Sports agent|agent]] alongside David Dunn, who represented Carson Palmer.<ref>{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez reportedly picks brother as his agent|url=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/allthingstrojan/2009/01/sanchez-agent.html|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Rose, Adam|date=January 28, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlQhXb5G|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=January 28, 2009}}</ref> Sanchez received an invitation to the 2009 [[NFL Scouting Combine|Scouting Combine]] where his performance was well-received.<ref>{{cite web|title=Confident Sanchez has solid showing|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?id=3926452|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Clayton, John|date=March 2, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlRXI1y7|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> He was ranked as one of the top two quarterbacks, behind fellow junior [[Matthew Stafford]] from the [[University of Georgia]].<ref>{{cite news|title=Stafford, Sanchez embrace competition to be top QB|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3922747|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=February 20, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlRqDqLi|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> In the final days leading up to the draft, several NFL teams expressed serious interest in Sanchez, including the [[Seattle Seahawks]] (No. 4 selection), [[Cleveland Browns]] (No. 5 selection), [[Washington Redskins]] (No. 13 selection), and New York Jets (No. 17 selection).<ref>{{cite web|title=Several teams in play for Sanchez|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4092024|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Paolantonio, Sal|date=April 24, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlS1BnQ6|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=April 25, 2009}}</ref><br />
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{{nfl predraft<br />
| height ft = 6<br />
| height in = 2<br />
| weight = 227<br />
| dash = 4.88<br />
| ten split = N/A<br />
| twenty split = N/A<br />
| shuttle = 4.21<br />
| cone drill = 7.06<br />
| vertical = 32.5<br />
| broad ft = 9<br />
| broad in = 8<br />
| bench = DNA<br />
| wonderlic = 28<br />
| note = Did not attempt bench. Ten and twenty splits are not available.<ref>{{cite web|title=Combine Top Performers|url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2009&workout=FORTY_YARD_DASH&position=QB|work=|publisher=National Football League|author=|date=|archiveurl=|archivedate=|accessdate=July 21, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Wonderlic scores for Mark Sanchez, Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews are leaked|url=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/03/wonderlic-score.html|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Rose, Adam|date=March 24, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlShj7kv|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref><br />
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=== New York Jets ===<br />
The New York Jets drafted Sanchez using the fifth overall selection in the 2009 NFL Draft, making him the first quarterback selected by the Jets in the first round since [[Chad Pennington]].<ref name="Draft day">{{cite news|title=Jets move 12 spots to get Sanchez|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4100078|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=April 26, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlUIF38X|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> To select Sanchez, the Jets traded their first and second round selections and three players, [[Kenyon Coleman]], [[Abram Elam]] and [[Brett Ratliff]], to the Cleveland Browns.<ref name="Draft day"/> At the time, the selection was lauded as good value for the team and for Sanchez.<ref>{{cite news|title=Time will prove that USC's Sanchez was top QB of the 2009 draft class|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/25/Draft.snaps/index.html|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Banks, Don|date=April 25, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlUlAKUz|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez reached an agreement with the team on June 10, 2009, signing a five-year, $50 million contract, with $28 million guaranteed.<ref name="Rookie contract">{{cite news|title=Jets reach agreement with QB Sanchez|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4249402|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=June 10, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlVVrX0y|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 10, 2009}}</ref> It is the largest contract the Jets signed a player to in franchise history.<ref name="Rookie contract"/> <br />
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[[File:Mark Sanchez Jets Mini-camp 2009.jpg|thumb|left|Sanchez (red jersey) at a June 2009 New York Jets mini-camp at Florham Park, New Jersey.]]<br />
Heading into his rookie [[Training camp (National Football League)|training camp]], Sanchez was listed as the second quarterback behind veteran [[Kellen Clemens]]. Jets head coach [[Rex Ryan]] viewed the camp as an opportunity for both quarterbacks to compete against each other to determine the eventual starter for the 2009 season.<ref>{{cite news|title=Clemens appreciated Sanchez gesture|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4150065|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=May 8, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlWnizYA|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> On August 26, 2009, Sanchez was named the starter, becoming the first rookie quarterback to start the season for the team since [[Dick Jamieson]] in 1960.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez to start at QB for Jets|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4423136|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=August 26, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zlXDhw7p|archivedate=June 27, 2011|accessdate=June 27, 2011}}</ref> <br />
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Sanchez started his first regular season NFL game against the [[2009 Houston Texans season|Houston Texans]] on September 13, 2009, throwing his first touchdown pass, a 30-yard reception, to [[Chansi Stuckey]].<ref name="Rookie debut">{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez sterling as Jets stomp on Texans in Ryan debut|url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-09-13-jets-texans_N.htm|work=USA Today|publisher=Gannett Company|agency=Associated Press|date=September 14, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmKzht8n|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez and the Jets won the game 24–7, with Sanchez throwing for 272 yards, a touchdown and a interception.<ref name="Rookie debut"/> He was named the [[Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week|Pepsi Rookie of the Week]] for his performance in the game, the first of three consecutive Rookie of the Week awards.<ref name="Rookie awards">{{cite web|title=A Tale of Three QBs ... and Two 3-0 Teams|url=http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-1/A-Tale--of-Three-QBs--and-Two-3-0-Teams/484b1ac5-79f7-11df-ba56-acc8e62813e9|work=|publisher=New York Jets|author=Lange, Randy|date=October 4, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmLC6HcN|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> He played his first home game a week later versus the [[2009 New England Patriots season|New England Patriots]], a 16–9 victory; it was also his first division game and his first [[National Football League rivalries|rivalry game]].<ref name="Rivalry game">{{cite news|title=Jets hold down Brady, finally beat Pats at home|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290920020|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=September 20, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zLNTKzVP|archivedate=June 10, 2011|accessdate=June 10, 2011}}</ref> It was the Jets' first victory over New England at home since 2000.<ref name="Rivalry game"/> With a 24–17 victory over the [[2009 Tennessee Titans season|Tennessee Titans]] in Week 3, Sanchez became the first rookie quarterback to start and win his first three games of an NFL season.<ref>{{cite news|title=Jets' defense holds firm in end to stop Titans|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290927020|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=September 27, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zLNktSss|archivedate=June 10, 2011|accessdate=June 10, 2011}}</ref> However, his performance began to regress as he had a pass intercepted for a 99-yard touchdown return, and fumbled another attempted pass in the end zone for another touchdown, as the Jets fell to the [[2009 New Orleans Saints season|New Orleans Saints]] in Week 4.<ref name="Growing pains">{{cite news|title=Saints get 2 scores off Sanchez turnovers to hand Ryan's Jets first loss|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291004018|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=October 4, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmSjb2FE|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> These two plays were enough to spoil an otherwise strong outing from the Jets's defensive unit as the team dropped to a 3–1 record.<ref name="Growing pains"/> Following the loss to New Orleans, Sanchez received criticism in a 16–13 overtime loss to the [[2009 Buffalo Bills season|Buffalo Bills]] in Week 6 when he threw five interceptions against a lowly Bills defense that previously had only four interceptions the entire season.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez's INTs overshadow Jones' career day as Jets lose third straight|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291018020|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=October 18, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmUp8g4G|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> The Jets ended their losing streak in a 38–0 victory against the [[2009 Oakland Raiders season|Oakland Raiders]] in Week 7 however, Sanchez was criticized after he was seen eating a [[hot dog]] on the Jets' bench in the fourth quarter.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez rebounds with two touchdowns as Jets shut out Raiders|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291025013|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=October 25, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmVGqrIl|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref><br />
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In the team's second meeting against the Bills on December 3, 2009, Sanchez suffered a [[Sprain|sprained]] [[posterior cruciate ligament]] in the third quarter, prompting the veteran Clemens to take his place.<ref name="PCL sprain">{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez Frustrated With Rex Ryan's Decision|url=http://www.nesn.com/2009/12/mark-sanchez-frustrated-with-rex-ryans-decision.html|work=|publisher=New England Sports Network|agency=Associated Press|date=December 10, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmbHyt1F|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Though there were no setbacks to the injury, head coach Ryan benched Sanchez the following game against the [[2009 Tampa Bay Buccaneers season|Tampa Bay Buccaneers]] for precautionary reasons, much to Sanchez's dismay.<ref name="PCL sprain"/> At 7–7, the Jets had a chance to secure a playoff berth if they won the remainder of their games.<ref name="Controversy in Indy">{{cite news|title=Colts fans angry as unbeaten season ends with loss to Jets|url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-12-27-jets-colts_N.htm?csp=34|work=USA Today|publisher=Gannett Company|author=Mihoces, Gary|date=December 28, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmcHjQsJ|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> One such game was against the [[2009 Indianapolis Colts season|Indianapolis Colts]] who had 23 consecutive regular season wins.<ref name="Controversy in Indy"/> Sanchez and the Jets engineered a comeback win following Colts head coach [[Jim Caldwell (American football)|Jim Caldwell]]'s decision to controversially rest the team starters in the third quarter with a five-point lead.<ref name="Controversy in Indy"/> The following week, on January 3, 2010, Sanchez led the team into the playoffs, despite a subpar effort, completing eight of sixteen passes for sixty-three yards, en route to a 37–0 win over the [[2009 Cincinnati Bengals season|Cincinnati Bengals]], who rested their starters as the team had already clinched the [[AFC North]] division title and a playoff berth.<ref>{{cite news|title=Rookie Sanchez efficiently leads Jets to first playoff berth in three seasons|url=http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300103020|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 3, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zLOewpKb|archivedate=June 10, 2011|accessdate=June 10, 2011}}</ref> The manner of the two wins, which gave the Jets their first playoff berth since 2006, caused many to claim the team had "backed into the playoffs".<ref>{{cite news|title=NY Jets ignore talk of 'backing into playoffs' should they beat Cincinnati Bengals|url=http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2010/01/ny_jets_ignore_talk_of_backing.html|work=The Star-Ledger|publisher=Advance Publications|author=Hutchinson, Dave|date=January 3, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmsgqlzX|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=January 9, 2010}}</ref> Sanchez completed his rookie season with 2,444 yards, 12 touchdowns and 20 interceptions.<ref name="Sanchez stats"/> <br />
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[[File:Mark Sanchez Jets-v-Eagles Sep 3, 2009 - 73.jpg|thumb|right|Sanchez after throwing a pass during a preseason game against the [[Philadelphia Eagles]].]]<br />
In the [[2009–10 NFL playoffs#AFC: New York Jets 24, Cincinnati Bengals 14|wild card round]], that took place on January 9, 2010 at [[Paul Brown Stadium]], Sanchez led the Jets to another victory over the Bengals, 24–14, behind his positive performance where he completed 12 of his 15 passes while throwing for 182 yards and a touchdown with a [[passer rating]] of 139.4.<ref name="For the History books">{{cite news|title=Sanchez, Greene perform under pressure as Jets extend playoff run|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300109004|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 9, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmv0ofWv|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=January 9, 2010}}</ref> Sanchez became the fourth rookie quarterback in NFL history to win his first post-season contest, and the second to do so on the road.<ref name="For the History books"/> On January 17, 2010, Sanchez, with the help of fellow rookie [[Shonn Greene]], defeated the heavily favored San Diego Chargers 17–14 to attain the Jets' third [[AFC Championship Game#AFC Championship: Indianapolis Colts 30, New York Jets 17|AFC Championship appearance]] in franchise history.<ref>{{cite news|title=Jets score two TDs in fourth quarter to advance to AFC title game|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300117024|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 17, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmw6bxSK|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez became only the second rookie quarterback to win two consecutive playoff games, behind [[Joe Flacco]].<ref>{{cite web|title=Jets’ Sanchez Tries Imitating Flacco Not Favre Playoff History|url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a4X9vpzrnCpE|work=|publisher=Bloomberg|author=Matuszewski, Erik|date=January 15, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5znwXzxT3|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> In a rematch of their regular season meeting with the Colts, Sanchez performed well in the first half however, the offense succumbed to the Colts' defense in the second half and the Jets gave up an 11 point lead, losing 30–17.<ref>{{cite news|title=Colts make up 11-point deficit to push aside Jets on way to fourth Super Bowl|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300124011|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 24, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmwQsXCk|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez was named to ''[[Sporting News]]''' All-Rookie team for his performance during the season.<ref name="All-rookie">{{cite news|title=Sporting News 2009 NFL All-Rookie Team|url=http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010-01-14/sporting-news-2009-nfl-all-rookie-team|work=Sporting News|publisher=American City Business Journals|author=|date=January 14, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmyRH8Ss|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref><br />
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On February 17, 2010, Sanchez had surgery to repair the [[Patellar ligament|patella ligament]] in his left knee that he originally injured when he played for USC. The surgery was successful.<ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez Has Successful Knee Surgery|url=http://www.nesn.com/2010/02/mark-sanchez-has-successful-knee-surgery.html|work=|publisher=New England Sports Network|author=Popko, Daniel|date=February 17, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmynXEHI|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=September 6, 2010}}</ref><ref name="Sanchez surgery">{{cite web|title=Sanchez to have surgery|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4879120|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=|date=February 2, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmycbbW8|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=September 6, 2010}}</ref> Sanchez was expected to miss early workouts and return in time for training camp however Sanchez made a quick recovery and participated in team drills during Organized Team Activities (OTA).<ref name="Sanchez surgery"/><ref>{{cite web|title=Sanchez participates in Jets team drills|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5265922|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=McManus, Jane|date=June 9, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmz0Z8sS|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=September 6, 2010}}</ref> The Jets opened the [[2010 New York Jets season|2010 season]] with a 5–1 record however, the passing game was subpar as Sanchez struggled to accurately throw the football.<ref>{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez knows he has to be more accurate for New York Jets passing offense to improve|url=http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-10-28/sports/27079441_1_rex-ryan-dustin-keller-santonio-holmes|work=New York Daily News|publisher=Mortimer Zuckerman|author=Mehta, Manish|date=October 28, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zmzrFIvP|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez recorded his first career 300-yard passing game in a win over the [[Detroit Lions]] on November 7, 2010.<ref>{{cite web|title=Jets Roar to Life Late, Tame Lions in OT, 23-20|url=http://prod.www.jets.clubs.nfl.com/news/article-1/Jets-Roar-to-Life-Late-Tame-Lions-in-OT-23-20/2a946144-db10-4e02-bd5a-587194f17a0c|work=|publisher=New York Jets|author=Lange, Randy|date=November 7, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5uHnkSgzZ|archivedate=November 16, 2010|accessdate=November 16, 2010}}</ref> At 10–4, the Jets faced the [[2010 Chicago Bears season|Chicago Bears]] on December 26, 2010 with a chance to clinch a playoff berth.<ref name="An unexpected win">{{cite news|title=Jets get taken down by Bears but head to playoffs after Jags' loss|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=301226003|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=December 26, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zn1D0cj3|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Though Sanchez injured his shoulder in a victory over [[2010 Pittsburgh Steelers season|Pittsburgh]] the previous week, he started the game completing 24 of his 37 passes for a touchdown and a interception.<ref name="An unexpected win"/> However, the Jets were unable to defend the Bears' offense and subsequently lost the game 38–31 after a comeback drive was halted when Sanchez was intercepted.<ref name="An unexpected win"/> Due to a loss by the [[2010 Jacksonville Jaguars season|Jacksonville Jaguars]] that same day, the Jets clinched the playoff berth.<ref name="An unexpected win"/> Sanchez finished the season with 3,291 yards, 17 touchdowns and 13 interceptions.<ref name="Sanchez stats"/><br />
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The Jets finished the season with an 11–5 record and entered the [[2010–11 NFL playoffs#AFC: New York Jets 17, Indianapolis Colts 16|wild card round]] facing the [[2010 Indianapolis Colts season|Indianapolis Colts]] in a rematch of their previous encounter in the AFC Championship.<ref name="Indy rematch">{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez leads drive to set up Nick Folk's game-winning kick|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310108011|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 8, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zn1m28jz|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Although Sanchez had a subpar performance completing 18 of his 31 passes while throwing a interception, he led the team in the final minutes of the game on a comeback drive culminating with kicker [[Nick Folk]] kicking the game-winning field goal as time expired.<ref name="Indy rematch"/> The Jets went on to face the [[2010 New England Patriots season|New England Patriots]] in the [[2010–11 NFL playoffs#AFC: New York Jets 28, New England Patriots 21|divisional round]] and upset the heavily favored Patriots, 28–21, as Sanchez completed 16 of his 25 passes for 194 yards and three touchdowns.<ref>{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez tosses 3 TDs as Jets soar into AFC title game|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310116017|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 16, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zn2LBMbt|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> With the win, Sanchez tied [[Len Dawson]], [[Roger Staubach]], [[Jake Delhomme]], and [[Joe Flacco]] for most post-season road victories by a quarterback in NFL history.<ref>{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez ties NFL record for most road playoff wins|url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/01/mark-sanchez-ties-nfl-record-for-most-road-playoff-wins/1|work=USA Today|publisher=Gannett Company|author=Leahy, Sean|date=January 17, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zn3ID8T8|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=January 17, 2011}}</ref> The team traveled to the AFC Championship, for a second consecutive season, to face the Pittsburgh Steelers on January 23, 2011.<ref name="0 for 2">{{cite news|title=Steelers headed to Super Bowl after Jets come up short|url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310123023|work=|publisher=ESPN|agency=Associated Press|date=January 23, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zn2m8GjO|archivedate=June 28, 2011|accessdate=June 28, 2011}}</ref> Heading into halftime losing 24–3, the team, led by Sanchez, engineered a comeback following a heartfelt speech given by the quarterback at halftime.<ref name="0 for 2"/><ref>{{cite web|title=B&C Morning Show: James Ihedigbo Talks Future With Jets, Mark Sanchez’s Leadership|url=http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/06/28/bc-morning-show-james-ihedigbo-talks-future-with-jets-mark-sanchezs-leadership/|work=|publisher=CBS New York|author=|date=June 28, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoi9aUAI|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> However, the team fell short as their final offensive drive was stymied by the Steelers' defense and the Jets lost 24–19.<ref name="0 for 2"/><br />
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Prior to the outset of the [[2011 NFL season|2011 season]], head coach Rex Ryan named Sanchez the team captain.<ref name="Captain Mark">{{cite news|title=Rex Ryan names Mark Sanchez a Jets team captain|url=http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_sports/Rex_Ryan_names_Mark_Sanchez_a_Jets_team_captain.html|work=|publisher=NorthJersey.com|agency=Associated Press|date=July 27, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60VDbuvxi|archivedate=July 27, 2011|accessdate=July 27, 2011}}</ref><br />
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== Player profile ==<br />
Sanchez has been praised for his ability to maintain composure, in spite of [[Defense (American football)|defensive pressure]], and focus on finding an open [[wide receiver|receiver]] on the field thus, allowing him to extend the team's [[Passing (American football)|offensive series]].<ref name="In the Pocket">{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez shows passer rating doesn't matter with ability to escape pressure and extend plays|url=http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-11-16/sports/27081447_1_sanchez-moves-rex-ryan-dustin-keller|work=New York Daily News|publisher=Mortimer Zuckerman|author=Mehta, Manish|date=November 16, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zpRC6HYB|archivedate=June 30, 2011|accessdate=June 30, 2011}}</ref> In his three year career, Sanchez has had eight fourth quarter comebacks and ten game winning drives.<ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives|url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=SancMa00|work=|publisher=Pro Football Reference|author=|date=|archiveurl=|archivedate=|accessdate=June 30, 2011}}</ref> His calm demeanor in pressing situations has earned him the respect of [[Bill Parcells]] and [[Sam Wyche]] and has even garnered comparisons to [[Ben Roethlisberger]] and [[Joe Montana]].<ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez coming through in the clutch|url=http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/25283/mark-sanchez-coming-through-in-the-clutch|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Graham, Tim|date=January 21, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60IvVDN7H|archivedate=July 19, 2011|accessdate=July 19, 2011}}</ref> <br />
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{{Quote box|quote="It's nice that he thinks about that, trying to build up people. That's another thing he's maturing with, understanding personalities and relationships, how you have to work them and build them."|source=—[[Brian Schottenheimer]] on Sanchez communicating with his teammates<ref name="Text">{{cite web|title=Message sent: Sanchez texts team|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&id=5686155|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Cimini, Rich|date=October 15, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zpR1uTvh|archivedate=June 30, 2011|accessdate=June 30, 2011}}</ref>|width=25%|align=right|style=padding:8px;}} <br />
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Sanchez is known for his fierce, competitive nature. In December 2010, following dismal performances, Rex Ryan threatened to reduce Sanchez's repetitions with the first-team offense during practice. Sanchez was immediately incensed and at one point was prepared to fight Ryan for his job.<ref>{{cite news|title=Mark Sanchez, Rex Ryan laugh off 'GQ' comments, QB says fight would be Foreman vs. De La Hoya|url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2011/08/16/2011-08-16_mark_sanchez_rex_ryan_laugh_off_gq_comments_qb_says_fight_would_be_foreman_vs_de.html|work=The New York Daily News|publisher=Mortimer Zuckerman|author=Mehta, Manish|date=August 16, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/610RyS7bK|archivedate=August 17, 2011|accessdate=August 17, 2011}}</ref> <br />
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Sanchez has also been praised for his arm strength, immediately drawing comparisons to Hall of Fame quarterback [[Joe Namath]].<ref name="The Party">{{cite news|title=Party Boy? Nah, Mark Sanchez is a total dork|url=http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/party_boy_nah_nerdy_sanchez_6NtFLYFsOUDi20nwlhYYdI/0|work=New York Post|publisher=News Corporation|author=Karni, Annie|date=August 22, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zpR59nR6|archivedate=June 30, 2011|accessdate=June 30, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez has proven to be proficient in short passing situations as well.<ref name="USC 2006"/><ref>{{cite web|title=Sanchez makes mark on short passes|url=http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/14345/sanchez-makes-mark-on-short-passes|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=|date=December 19, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zpSxZrQ7|archivedate=June 30, 2011|accessdate=June 30, 2011}}</ref> He is well-respected and viewed as a leader amongst his peers.<ref name="Captain Mark"/> <br />
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After undergoing knee surgery following his rookie season, Sanchez established "Jets West" in 2010, an annual off-season camp located in his home state of California. Sanchez hosts workouts and offers classroom review sessions for his skill-position teammates on offense for one week. Originally intended to aid his rehabilitation, the sessions have grown into an extension of his leadership and fosters an environment to build team chemistry albeit exclusively with his offensive counterparts.<ref>{{cite web|title=Sanchez hosts teammates at "Jets West"|url=http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/5313/sanchez-hosts-teammates-at-jets-west|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Cimini, Rich|date=May 3, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Iwfy7vk|archivedate=July 19, 2011|accessdate=July 19, 2011}}</ref> During the [[2011 National Football League lockout|NFL labor dispute]], Sanchez managed to organize private workouts with over forty of his teammates.<ref>{{cite news|title=Jets begin player-run team workouts in New Jersey during lockout|url=http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/06/jets_begin_closed_player-run_p.html|work=The Star-Ledger|publisher=Advance Publications|author=Vrentas, Jenny|date=June 13, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Iwwdp49|archivedate=July 19, 2011|accessdate=July 19, 2011}}</ref><br />
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== Personal life ==<br />
[[File:2008-1101-USC-MarkSanchez.jpg|thumb|right|Sanchez on USC's traditional pregame "Trojan Walk"]]<br />
Sanchez is an avid fan of [[musical theatre]].<ref name="Theater">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez shows up at the Tony Awards|url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/13/mark-sanchez-shows-up-at-the-tony-awards|work=|publisher=ProFootballTalk|author=Rosenthal, Gregg|date=June 13, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zo1kje7q|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 13, 2010}}</ref> He was a presenter at the [[64th Tony Awards|2010 Tony Awards]], where he introduced a number from the Broadway musical ''[[Memphis (musical)|Memphis]]''.<ref name="Theater"/> On stage at [[Radio City Music Hall]], Sanchez stated, "I've become a huge fan of musicals since I've come to New York, and I've taken some heat from guys on the team, believe me."<ref name="Theater"/><br />
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Sanchez's father is a [[Firefighter|fire captain]] for the [[Orange County Fire Authority]] and a member of the national urban search and rescue team. In college, Nick Sanchez played quarterback for [[East Los Angeles College]], was later a sergeant in the [[United States Army]].<ref name="NYT091208"/> His two older brothers both played college football. Nick Jr. attended [[Yale University]] where he played quarterback while Brandon attended [[DePauw University]] where he played on the offensive line.<ref name="ESPNtM081108"/> Nick Jr. went on to attend the [[University of Southern California Law School|USC Law School]] and is a business attorney; Brandon became a [[mortgage broker]].<ref name="NYT091208"/><ref>{{cite web|title=Nick Sanchez|url=http://www.tocounsel.com/professionals/attorneys/getProfile.asp?attorneyID=30|work=|publisher=Theodora Oringher PC|author=|date=|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zo153HpK|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=January 28, 2009}}</ref><br />
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=== Philanthropic works ===<br />
Sanchez has been involved in multiple charities including the [[Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation]] to help raise awareness for [[Type 1 diabetes]]. He is also involved with [[Sam's Club]]'s ''Giving Made Simple'' which, helps raise awareness about [[childhood obesity]] and how families can prevent it.<ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez, Rihanna Team Up for Charities in Miami|url=http://www.nesn.com/2010/02/mark-sanchez-rihanna-team-up-for-charities-in-miami.html|work=|publisher=New England Sports Network|author=Kobialka, Daniel|date=February 7, 2010|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Q8Bx97Z|archivedate=July 24, 2011|accessdate=July 24, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Football Star Mark Sanchez Huddles-Up with Sam’s Club® for a Great Cause|url=http://www3.samsclub.com/NewsRoom/Press/1033|work=|publisher=Sam's Club|author=|date=July 12, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Q7y3D6E|archivedate=July 24, 2011|accessdate=July 24, 2011}}</ref><br />
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Sanchez has worked with the Teddy Atlas Foundation through which he met Aiden Binkley, a terminally ill 11-year old struck with [[rhabdomyosarcoma]]. Sanchez developed a bond with Binkley and the two remained close friends until Binkley's death in December 2010 which devastated Sanchez.<ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez mourns Aiden Binkley|url=http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5991920|work=|publisher=ESPN|author=Cimini, Rich|date=January 6, 2011|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60Q8J53hm|archivedate=July 24, 2011|accessdate=July 24, 2011}}</ref><br />
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=== Mexican-American identity ===<br />
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| style="text-align: left;" | "Some people wanted me to be the Latino quarterback. Some people wanted me to be the USC quarterback who happens to be Latino. <nowiki>[I decided to]</nowiki> just be me and do my best with everything and not try to be something I'm not." <br />
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| style="text-align: left;" | — Sanchez on the challenge of being a role model<ref name="LAT122908">{{cite news|title=More than pads on his shoulders|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/29/sports/sp-sanchez29|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Baxter, Kevin|date=December 29, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zo2UE9i1|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=January 16, 2009}}</ref><br />
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When Sanchez was elevated to prominence at USC, he found himself a symbol of Mexican-American identity and a role model for younger generations.<ref name="ESPNtM081108"/><ref name=LAT122908/> Sanchez was placed on [[Celebrity|center stage]] in [[Los Angeles]], home to more than 4.6 million [[Hispanics]], the majority of whom are of Mexican descent.<ref name="Beyond the Field">{{cite web|title=Sanchez's impact can go beyond field with Mexican-American roots|url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d80f85db6/article/sanchezs-impact-can-go-beyond-field-with-mexicanamerican-roots|work=|publisher=National Football League|author=Allen, Jennifer|date=April 22, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zo3E7LbC|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> While there had been previous, successful Mexican-American quarterbacks such as [[Tom Flores]], [[Jim Plunkett]], [[Joe Kapp]], [[Jeff Garcia]], [[Tony Romo]], and [[Marc Bulger]], unlike most of his predecessors, Sanchez is a third-generation, full Mexican and none had been embraced to the extent Sanchez was.<ref name="OCW082108"/><ref name="Beyond the Field"/> USC fans began playing up Sanchez's ethnicity by wearing items such as [[sarape]]s, [[lucha libre]] masks and homemade "¡Viva Sanchez!" T-shirts.<ref name="Beyond the Field"/> His rise to fame within the Mexican-American community was compared to that of boxer [[Oscar De La Hoya]] and baseball pitcher [[Fernando Valenzuela#Fernandomania|Fernando Valenzuela]].<ref name="OCW082108"/><ref name="LAT122908"/> <br />
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While starting for an injured John David Booty in 2007, Sanchez wore a custom [[mouthguard]] that featured the colors of the [[Mexican flag]] in honor of his heritage.<ref name="Beyond the Field"/><ref name="Noise in Oregon">{{cite news|title=Sanchez prepared for Oregon noise|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/23/sports/sp-uscrep23|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Klein, Gary|date=October 23, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zo4lWKZ1|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> It became a prominent issue after his nationally televised game against Notre Dame.<ref name="Beyond the Field"/> The mouthpiece became a symbol for two opposing viewpoints: for Mexican-Americans, it was a symbol of unity—Sanchez accepting his heritage; for critics, the gesture symbolized a radical [[political statement]].<ref name="LAT102607">{{cite news|title=A mouthpiece says it all|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/26/opinion/oe-arellano26|work=Los Angeles Times|publisher=Tribune Company|author=Arellano, Gustavo|date=October 26, 2007|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoCv8fV2|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=January 16, 2009}}</ref> Sanchez, who was born and raised in the [[United States]], reportedly received letters urging him to return to Mexico.<ref name="Beyond the Field"/> Sanchez responded to the controversy stating, "It’s not a Mexican power thing or anything like that. It’s just a little bit of pride in our heritage. Hopefully, it inspires somebody and it’s all for the best."<ref name="Noise in Oregon"/> Overwhelmed by the attention and shying away from politics, Sanchez stopped wearing the mouthpiece, but began participating in other efforts to help the Hispanic community.<ref name="LAT122908"/><br />
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Sanchez, who knew how to speak some Spanish but was not bilingual going into his junior season at USC, began to take Spanish lessons so he could have conversations with others who share his heritage and conduct interviews with the media without the use of a translator.<ref name="OCW082108"/><ref name="ESPNtM081108"/><ref name="LAT122908"/> The [[Spirit of Troy|USC band]] played "[[El Matador]]" when Sanchez would take the field.<ref>{{cite news|title=The Matador|url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1145937/index.htm|work=Sports Illustrated|publisher=Time Inc.|author=Lawrence, Andrew|date=October 6, 2008|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoFUX0S0|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=January 16, 2009}}</ref> Sanchez participated in a fundraiser to help provide school supplies to first-graders in the city of Long Beach and region of [[South Bay, Los Angeles|South Bay]], and helped Mayor [[Antonio Villaraigosa]] give holiday gifts to impoverished families.<ref name="LAT122908"/> By the end of his USC career, he had been hailed as a significant role model for Hispanic youth.<ref>{{cite news|title=A UCLA Bruin Plea for USC's Mark Sanchez to Stay in School|url=http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2009/01/a_ucla_bruin_plea_for_uscs_mar.php|work=OC Weekly|publisher=Village Voice Media|author=Arellano, Gustavo|date=January 2, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoFLI0tn|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=January 16, 2009}}</ref> Sanchez serves as the Ambassador to the [[Inner-City Games|Inner-City Games Los Angeles]], an after-school program that provides "at-risk youth" with positive, alternative activities.<ref name="Inner City">{{cite news|title=Sanchez to throw first pitch at Angels game|url=http://www.ocregister.com/news/center-150622-sanchez-angels.html|work=The Orange County Register|publisher=Freedom Communications|author=Garcia, Mark|date=July 22, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5zoG9nJFS|archivedate=June 29, 2011|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref> Sanchez was most recently seen throwing out the first pitch at a [[Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim|Los Angeles Angels]] game in July 2009 on behalf of the Inner-City organization.<ref name="Inner City"/> [[ESPN Radio]] came to an agreement with the Jets to broadcast all of the team's regular season games in [[2011 NFL season|2011]] on [[KSPN (AM)|710 ESPN Radio]] in [[Los Angeles]]. The agreement came about due to Sanchez's continued popularity in California.<ref>{{cite news|title=Sanchez’s Jets to be broadcast on ESPN Radio in Los Angeles this season|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/sanchezs-jets-to-be-broadcast-on-espn-radio-in-los-angeles-this-season/2011/08/11/gIQAb4Ra9I_story.html|work=The Washington Post|publisher=The Washington Post Company|agency=Associated Press|date=August 11, 2009|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/610U2cmr2|archivedate=August 17, 2011|accessdate=August 17, 2011}}</ref><br />
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== Statistics ==<br />
=== USC ===<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2"|Year !! rowspan="2"|Team !! rowspan="2"|G !! rowspan="2"|GS !! colspan="8" |Passing !! colspan="4" |Rushing <br />
|-<br />
! Att !! Comp !! Pct !! Yds !! Y/A !! TD !! Int !! Rtg !! Att !! Yds !! Avg !! TD <br />
|-<br />
![[2006 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2006]] !! [[2006 USC Trojans football team|USC]]<br />
| 3 || 0 || 7 || 3 || 42.9 || 63 || 9.0 || 0 || 1 || 89.9 || 4 || -5 || -1.3 || 1 <br />
|-<br />
![[2007 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2007]] !! [[2007 USC Trojans football team|USC]]<br />
| 6 || 3 || 114 || 69 || 60.5 || 695 || 6.1 || 7 || 5 || 123.2 || 14 || 22 || 1.6 || 0 <br />
|-<br />
![[2008 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2008]] !! [[2008 USC Trojans football team|USC]]<br />
| 13 || 13 || 366 || 241 || 65.8 || 3207 || 8.8 || 34 || 10 || 164.6 || 52 || 16 || 0.3 || 3 <br />
|-<br />
!colspan="2"|Total<small><ref>{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez|url=http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mark-sanchez-1.html|work=|publisher=SR/College Football|author=|date=|archiveurl=|archivedate=|accessdate=June 29, 2011}}</ref></small> !! 22 !! 16 !! 487 !! 313 !! 64.3 !! 3965 !! 8.1 !! 41 !! 16 !! 153.9 !! 70 !! 33 !! 0.3 !! 4 <br />
|}<br />
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=== New York Jets ===<br />
==== Regular season ====<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2"|Year !! rowspan="2"|Team !! rowspan="2"|G !! rowspan="2"|GS !! colspan="8" |Passing !! colspan="4" |Rushing !! colspan="2" |Sacked !! colspan="2" |Fumbles<br />
|-<br />
! Att !! Comp !! Pct !! Yds !! Y/A !! TD !! Int !! Rtg !! Att !! Yds !! Avg !! TD !! Sack !! YdsL !! Fum !! FumL<br />
|-<br />
![[2009 NFL season|2009]] !! [[2009 New York Jets season|NYJ]]<br />
| 15 || 15 || 364 || 196 || 53.8 || 2444 || 6.7 || 12 || 20 || 63.0 || 36 || 106 || 2.9 || 3 || 26 || 195 || 10 || 3<br />
|-<br />
![[2010 NFL season|2010]] !! [[2010 New York Jets season|NYJ]]<br />
| 16 || 16 || 507 || 278 || 54.8 || 3291 || 6.5 || 17 || 13 || 75.3 || 30 || 105 || 3.5 || 3 || 27 || 171 || 9 || 1<br />
|-<br />
![[2011 NFL season|2011]] !! [[2011 New York Jets season|NYJ]]<br />
| 16 || 16 || 543 || 308 || 56.7 || 3474 || 6.4 || 26 || 18 || 83.1 || 37 || 103 || 2.8 || 6 || 39 || 243 || 10 || 8<br />
|-<br />
!colspan="2"|Total<small><ref name="Sanchez stats"/></small> !! 42 !! 42 !! 1244 !! 684 !! 55.0 !! 8248 !! 6.6 !! 47 !! 44 !! 73.4 !! 91 !! 291 !! 3.2 !! 9 !! 78 !! 518 !! 26 !! 9<br />
|}<br />
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==== Playoffs ====<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2"|Year !! rowspan="2"|Team !! rowspan="2"|G !! rowspan="2"|GS !! colspan="8" |Passing !! colspan="4" |Rushing<br />
|-<br />
! Att !! Comp !! Pct !! Yds !! Y/A !! TD !! Int !! Rtg !! Att !! Yds !! Avg !! TD <br />
|-<br />
![[2009 NFL season|2009]] !! [[2009 New York Jets season|NYJ]]<br />
| 3 || 3 || 68 || 41 || 60.3 || 539 || 7.9 || 4 || 2 || 92.7 || 6 || -2 || -0.3 || 0<br />
|-<br />
![[2010 NFL season|2010]] !! [[2010 New York Jets season|NYJ]]<br />
| 3 || 3 || 89 || 54 || 60.9 || 616 || 6.9 || 5 || 1 || 97.3 || 5 || 11 || 2.2 || 0<br />
|-<br />
!colspan="2"|Total<small><ref name="Sanchez stats"/></small> !! 6 !! 6 !! 157 !! 95 !! 60.5 !! 1155!! 7.4 !! 9 !! 3 !! 94.3 !! 11 !! 9 !! 0.82 !! 0 <br />
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== Career highlights ==<br />
=== Awards and honors ===<br />
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! style="background:#ccf;"|Award/Honor<br />
! style="background:#ccf;"|Time(s)<br />
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! colspan="10" center; background:#ccccff;|<span style="color:black;">'''National Football League'''</span><br />
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|[[Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week]]<ref name="Rookie awards"/><br />
|3<br />
|2009<br />
|-<br />
|''[[Sporting News]]''' All Rookie Team<ref name="All-rookie"/><br />
|1<br />
|2009<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="10" center; background:#ccccff;|<span style="color:black;">'''College'''<small><ref name="Awards, honors">{{cite web|title=Mark Sanchez|url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/mark-sanchez?id=79858|work=|publisher=National Football League|author=|date=|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/60J4OkwjL|archivedate=July 19, 2011|accessdate=July 19, 2011}}</ref></small></span><br />
|-<br />
|[[Rose Bowl Game|Rose Bowl]] Champion<br />
|3<br />
|2007, 2008, 2009<br />
|-<br />
|[[2009 Rose Bowl|Rose Bowl]] Offensive Most Valuable Player<br />
|1<br />
|2009<br />
|-<br />
|First Team All-[[Pac 10]]<br />
|1<br />
|2008<br />
|-<br />
|''[[Sports Illustrated]]'' and ''[[Pro Football Weekly]]'' All-American Honorable Mention<br />
|1<br />
|2008<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="10" center; background:#ccccff;|<span style="color:black;">'''High school'''<small><ref name="Awards, honors"/></small></span><br />
|-<br />
|Super Prep All-American Player of the Year<br />
|1<br />
|2004<br />
|-<br />
|[[Parade (magazine)|Parade]] All-American Player of the Year<br />
|1<br />
|2004<br />
|-<br />
|CIF Division II Champion<br />
|1<br />
|2004<br />
|-<br />
|All-CIF Division II Co-Offensive Player of the Year<br />
|1<br />
|2004<br />
|}<br />
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=== Records ===<br />
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|+'''NFL Records'''<br />
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! style="background:#ccf;"|Record <small>(as of January 24, 2011)</small><br />
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! style="background:#dde;" colspan="2"|Regular season<br />
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! colspan="10" center; background:#ccccff;|<span style="color:black;">''None''</span><br />
|-<br />
! style="background:#dde;" colspan="2"|Postseason<br />
|-<br />
|Tied for most post-season road victories by a quarterback in NFL history (tied with [[Len Dawson]], [[Roger Staubach]], [[Jake Delhomme]] and Joe Flacco)<ref name="Sanchez two years"/><br />
|4<br />
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== References ==<br />
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*[http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/roster/Mark-Sanchez/bad48722-df0b-45db-9f0b-04a86abb4cd9 New York Jets bio]<br />
*[http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sanchez_mark00.html USC Trojans bio]<br />
*[http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12482 Mark Sanchez] at [[ESPN.com]]<br />
*{{twitter|Mark_Sanchez}}<br />
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The '''Janissaries''' (from [[Ottoman Turkish language|Ottoman Turkish]] '''يڭيچرى''' ''Yeniçeri'' meaning "new soldier", {{Lang-sq|Jeniçer}}) were [[infantry]] units that formed the [[Ottoman Empire|Ottoman]] [[sultan]]'s household troops and [[bodyguard]]s. The force was created by the Sultan [[Murad I]] from [[Christian]] boys levied through the [[devşirme]] system from conquered countries in the 14th century<ref name=Kinross48>Kinross, pp 48–52.</ref> and was abolished by Sultan [[Mahmud II]] in 1826 with [[the Auspicious Incident]].<ref name = Kinross456>Kinross, pp. 456–457.</ref><br />
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==Origins==<br />
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The origins of the Janissaries are shrouded in myth though traditional accounts credit [[Orhan I]]&nbsp;– an early Ottoman ''[[bey]]'', who reigned from 1326 to 1359&nbsp;– as the founder.<ref name=Nicolle7>Nicolle, p. 7.</ref> Modern historians, such as [[Patrick Kinross]], put the date slightly later, around 1365, under Orhan's son, [[Murad I]], the first [[sultan]] of the Ottoman Empire.<ref name=Kinross48/> The Janissaries became the first Ottoman [[standing army]], replacing forces that mostly contained tribal warriors (''[[Ghazw|ghazi]]s'') whose loyalty and morale were not always guaranteed.<ref name=Kinross48/> But they all learned Islam in the madrasas and each of them became a Muslim. Turks took them as slaves but showed mercy and they stayed in the closest rooms to the Sultan's room. Turks themselves were not strangers to the "slave-soldier" system, since Turkish slaves and mercenaries served as [[Mamluk|memluk]] or [[ghilman]] soldiers in the [[Abbasid Caliphate|Abbasid]] and [[Fatimid Caliphate|Fatimid]] Empires. [[Ghaznavids|Ghaznavid]] Turks also used [[Afghanistan|Afghan]] and [[Indian people|Indian]] slaves in such manner.<br />
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From Murad I to 1648, the Janissaries were gathered through the [[devşirme]] system. This was the recruiting of non-Turkish children, notably Balkan Christians; Jews were never subject to ''devşirme'', nor were children from Turkic families. In early days, all Christians were enrolled indiscriminately; later, those from Albania, Greece, Bosnia, Serbia and Bulgaria were preferred.<ref name="Kitsikis, Dimitri 1996">Kitsikis, Dimitri (1996). ''Türk Yunan İmparatorluğu''. Istanbul,Simurg Kitabevi</ref><ref>Encyclopædia Britannica. Eleventh Edition</ref><br />
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The Janissaries were ''kapıkulları'' (sing. ''kapıkulu''), "door servants" or "slaves of the Porte", neither free men nor ordinary slaves (Turkish: ''köle'').<ref>Shaw, Stanford; Ezel Kural Shaw (1976). History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey, Volume I. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 27. ISBN 0-521-21280-4.</ref> They were subject to strict discipline, but they were paid salaries and pensions on retirement, and were free to marry; those conscripted through devşirme formed a distinctive social class<ref>Zürcher, Erik (1999). Arming the State. United States of America: LB Tauris and Co Ltd. pp. 5. ISBN 1-86064-404-X.</ref> which quickly became the ruling class of the Ottoman Empire, rivaling the Turkish aristocracy in one of the four royal institutions: the Palace, the Scribes, the Religious and the Military. The brightest of the Janissaries were sent to the Palace institution (Enderun), where the possibility of a glittering career beckoned.<br />
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According to military historian Michael Antonucci, every five years the Turkish administrators would scour their regions for the strongest sons of the sultan's Christian subjects. These boys, usually between the ages of 10 and 12, were then taken from their parents and given to the Turkish families in the provinces to learn Turkish language and customs, and the rules of Islam; these boys were then enrolled in Janissary training. The recruit was immediately indoctrinated into the religion of Islam. He was supervised 24 hours a day and subjected to severe discipline: he was prohibited from growing a beard, taking up a skill other than war, or marrying. The Janissaries were extremely well disciplined (a rarity in the Middle Ages).<br />
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[[Image:Yeniceri aga.jpg|thumb|left|A Janissary [[Agha (Ottoman Empire)|Ağa]] in the year 1768.]]<br />
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Greek Historian [[Dimitri Kitsikis]] in his book, ''Türk Yunan İmparatorluğu'' ("Turco-Greek Empire")<ref name="Kitsikis, Dimitri 1996"/> states that many Christian families were willing to comply with ''devşirme'' because it offered the possibility of great social advancement. Conscripts could one day become Janissary colonels; statesmen who might one day return to their motherland as governor; or even [[Grand Vizier]] or [[Beylerbey]] (governor general), with a seat in the divan (imperial council).<br />
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Perhaps the most famous Janissaries were [[George Kastrioti Skanderbeg]], son of a despot in northern [[Albania]] who later defected and led a 20-year Albanian revolt against the Ottomans, and [[Sokollu Mehmed Paşa]], a Serbian peasant from [[Bosnia]] who later became a grand vizier, served three sultans, and was de facto ruler of the Ottoman Empire<ref>Imamović, Mustafa (1996). Historija Bošnjaka. Sarajevo: BZK Preporod. ISBN 9958-815-00-1</ref> for more than 14 years.<br />
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The Ukrainian, Bulgarian and Serbian languages employed the name Janissary to refer to any warrior who converted from Christianity to Islam.<br />
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==Janissary characteristics==<br />
[[Image:OttomanJanissariesAndDefendingKnightsOfStJohnSiegeOfRhodes1522.jpg|thumb|250px|Janissaries battling the [[Knights Hospitaller]] during the [[Siege of Rhodes (1522)|Siege of Rhodes]] in 1522.]]<br />
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The Janissary corps were distinctive in a number of ways: they were the first regular army to wear unique [[uniform]]s; paid regular salaries for their service; marched to music, the [[mehter]], lived in barracks and used mainly firearms. In those aspects janissaries can be seen as a precursor of the modern military system.<br />
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A Janissary battalion was a close-knit community, effectively the soldier's family. They lived in barracks, serving as policemen, palace guards and firefighters during peacetime.<ref name=GoodwinJ>Goodwin. J, pp. 59, 179-181</ref><br />
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In a sharp departure from the contemporary practice of paying armies only during wartime, the Janissaries received regular salaries, paid quarterly. (By tradition, the [[Sultan]] himself, after authorizing the payments, visited the barracks dressed as a Janissary trooper, and received his pay alongside the other men of the First Division.)<ref name=Uzuncarsili>Uzunçarşılı, pp 66-67, 376-377, 405-406, 411-463, 482-483</ref><br />
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The Janissaries also enjoyed far better support on campaign than their contemporaries. They were part of a well-organized military machine, with one support corps preparing the road and others pitching tents at night and baking the bread. Their weapons and ammunition were transported and re-supplied by the [[cebeci]] corps. They campaigned with their own medical teams of Muslim and Jewish surgeons; their sick and wounded were evacuated to dedicated mobile hospitals set up behind the lines.<ref name=Uzuncarsili/><br />
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These differences, along with a war-record that was impressive, made the Janissaries into a subject of interest and study by foreigners in their own time. Although eventually the concept of the modern army incorporated and surpassed most of the distinctions of the Janissary, and the Ottoman Empire dissolved the Janissary corps, the image of the Janissary has remained as one of the symbols of the Ottomans in the western psyche.<br />
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In return for their loyalty and their fervour in war, Janissaries gained privileges and benefits. They received a cash salary, received booty during wartime and enjoyed a high living standard and respected social status. At first they had to live in barracks and could not marry until retirement, or engage in any other trade, but by the mid-18th century they had taken up many trades and gained the right to marry and enroll their children in the corps and very few continued to live in the barracks.<ref name=GoodwinJ/> Many of them became administrators and scholars. Retired or discharged Janissaries received [[pension]]s and their children were also looked after. This evolution away from their original military vocation was the major cause of the system's demise.<br />
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==Recruitment, training and status==<br />
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[[File:Ataturk Janissary.jpg|thumb|175px|right|[[Kemal Ataturk]] wearing the Traditional Janissary uniform. The large flap of the headdress was in imitation of the sleeve of [[Hajji Bektash]], founder of the Bektashi dervishes, who laid his hand on early Janissaries to give his blessing.<ref>[http://ottomanempire.info/Janissaries.htm The Janissaries and the Ottoman Armed forces]</ref>]]The first Janissary units were formed from prisoners of war and slaves, probably as a result of the sultan taking his traditional one-fifth share of his army's plunder in kind rather than cash.<ref name=Nicolle7/> From the 1380s onwards, their ranks were filled under the ''[[devşirme]]'' system, where feudal dues were paid by service to the sultan.<ref name=Nicolle7/> The "recruits" were mostly [[Christian]] youths, reminiscent of [[Mamelukes]].<ref name=Kinross48/> Sultan Murad may have used [[futuwa]] groups as a model.<br />
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Initially the recruiters favoured [[Ottoman Greece|Greeks]] (who formed the largest part of the first units) and [[Albanians]] (who also served as [[Gendarmerie|gendarmes]]), usually selecting about one boy from forty houses, but the numbers could be changed to correspond with the need for soldiers. Boys aged 14–18 were preferred, though ages 8–20 could be taken.<ref name="Kitsikis, Dimitri 1996"/> Recruits were sometimes gained through voluntarily accessions, as some parents were often eager to have their children enroll in the Janissary service that ensured them a successful career and comfort.<ref>The preaching of Islam: a history of the propagation of the Muslim faith By Sir Thomas Walker Arnold, pg. 130</ref><br />
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As borders of the Ottoman Empire expanded, the devşirme was extended to include [[Bulgarians]], [[Croats]], [[Serbs]], and later [[Romanians]], [[Georgians]], [[Poles]], [[Ukrainians]] and southern [[Russians]]. The Janissaries first began enrolling outside the devşirme system during the reign of Sultan [[Murad III]] (1574-1595) and abandoned devşirme recruitment completely during the 17th century. After this period, volunteers were enrolled, mostly of Muslim origin.<ref name=Uzuncarsili/><br />
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The Janissaries’ reputation increased to the point that by 1683, Sultan [[Mehmet IV]] abolished the devşirme, as increasing numbers of originally Muslim Turkish families had already enrolled their own sons into the force hoping for a lucrative career.<ref name=Uzuncarsili/><br />
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==Training==<br />
[[Image:Yenieri-aturkishjanissary-gentilebellini.jpg|thumb|right|175px|A 15th century Janissary drawing by [[Gentile Bellini]] who also painted the renowned portrait of Sultan [[Mehmed II]].]]<br />
When a Christian boy was recruited under [[devşirme]] system, first he would be sent to selected Turkish families in the provinces to learn to speak Turkish, rules of Islam and customs and culture of Ottoman society. After completion of this period, acemi (rookie) boys would be gathered to be trained in Enderun "acemi oğlan" school at the capital city. At the school, young cadets would be selected for their talents in different areas to train as engineers, artisans, rifleman, clerics, archers, artillery etc. Janissaries trained under strict discipline with hard labour and in practically [[monastic]] conditions in ''acemi oğlan'' ("rookie" or "cadet") schools, where they were expected to remain [[celibate]]. They were also expected to convert to [[Islam]]. All did, as [[Christians]] were not allowed to bear arms in the Ottoman Empire until the 19th century. Unlike other Muslims, they were expressly forbidden to wear beards, only a moustache. These rules were obeyed by Janissaries, at least until the 18th century when they also began to engage in other crafts and trades, breaking another of the original rules.<br />
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For all practical purposes, Janissaries belonged to the Sultan, carrying the title ''kapıkulu'' ("door subjects" or "slaves of the Porte") they were regarded as the protectors of the throne and the Sultan. Janissaries were taught to consider the corps as their home and family, and the Sultan as their father. Only those who proved strong enough earned the rank of true Janissary at the age of twenty-four or twenty-five. The Ocak inherited the property of dead Janissaries, thus amassing wealth (like religious orders and foundations enjoying the "[[Mortmain|dead hand]]").<br />
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Janissaries also learned to follow the dictates of the [[dervish]] saint [[Haji Bektash Veli]], disciples of whom had blessed the first troops. [[Bektashi]] served as a kind of [[chaplain]] for Janissaries. In this and in their secluded life, Janissaries resembled Christian [[military orders]] like the [[Knights Hospitaller|Johannites]] of [[Rhodes]]. As a symbol of their devotion to the order, janissaries wore special hats called "börk". These hats also had a place in front called "kaşıklık", to put a spoon which symbolizes the "kaşık kardeşliği" (brotherhood of the spoon); a sense of comradeship between janissaries who eat and sleep and fight and die together.<br />
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==Janissary corps==<br />
[[File:Solaks.png|thumb|right|175px|A pair of Solaks, the janissary archer bodyguard of the Sultan]]<br />
The corps was organized in ''orta''s (equivalent to [[battalion]]). An '''''orta''''' was headed by a [[çorbaci]]. All ''orta''s together would comprise the proper Janissary corps and its organization named '''''ocak''''' (literally "hearth"). [[Suleiman I]] had 165 ''orta''s but the number over time increased to 196. The Sultan was the supreme commander of the Army and the Janissaries in particular, but the corps was organized and led by their supreme '''''ağa''''' (commander). The corps was divided into three sub-corps:<br />
* the '''''cemaat''''' (frontier troops; also spelled ''jemaat''), with 101 ''orta''s<br />
* the '''''beyliks''''' or ''beuluks'' (the Sultan's own bodyguard), with 61 ''orta''s<br />
* the '''''sekban''''' or ''seirnen'', with 34 ''orta''s<br />
In addition there were also 34 ''orta''s of the ''ajemi'' (cadets).<br />
A semi-autonomous Janissary corps permanently based in Algiers.<br />
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Originally Janissaries could be promoted only through seniority and within their own ''orta''. They would leave the unit only to assume command of another. Only Janissaries' own commanding officers could punish them. The rank names were based on positions in a kitchen staff or troop of hunters, perhaps to emphasise that Janissaries were servants of the Sultan.<br />
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Local Janissaries, stationed in a town or city for a long time, were known as [[yerliyya]]s.<br />
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==Corps strength==<br />
Even though the Janissary corps were the "hassa" (royal) army, personal royal guards of the sultan, the corps was not the main force of the Ottoman military. In the classical period, janissaries comprised only 1/10 of the overall Ottoman army, while the traditional Turkish cavalry forces were the main battle force. According to [[David Nicolle]], the number of Janissaries in the 14th century was 1,000, and estimated to be 6,000 in 1475, whereas the same source estimates 40,000 as the number of [[Sipahi|Timarli Sipahi]], the provincial cavalry which constituted the main force of the army.<ref name=Nicolle9>Nicolle, pp 9–10.</ref> After the defeat in 1699, the number was reduced, but it was increased in the 18th century to 113,400 soldiers, but most were not actual soldiers and were accepted into the army through corrupt means and were only taking salary.<ref name=Nicolle9/><br />
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|<1,000<ref name = Nicolle9/> || 10,156<ref name= Agoston50>Agoston, p. 50</ref> || 12,000<ref name= Agoston50/> || 7,885<ref name= Agoston50/> || 13,502<ref name= Agoston50/> || 12,798<ref name= Agoston50/> || 13,599<ref name= Agoston50/> || 14,000<ref name= Agoston50/> || 37,627<ref name= Agoston50/> || 54,222<ref name= Agoston50/> || 49,556<ref name= Agoston50/> || 51,437<ref name= Agoston50/> || 49,868<ref name= Agoston50/> || 54,222<ref name= Agoston50/><br />
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==Equipment==<br />
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[[File:Turkish guns 1750-1800.jpg|thumb|left|[[Janissary]] guns from the year 1826.]]<br />
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In the first centuries, Janissaries were expert [[Archery|archers]], but they began adopting [[firearms]] as soon as such became available during the 1440s. The [[Siege of Vienna|siege of Vienna in 1529]] confirmed the reputation of their engineers, e.g. [[sapping]] and [[Mining (military)|mining]]. In melee combat they used [[axe]]s and [[kilij]]s. Originally in peacetime they could carry only clubs or [[dagger]]s, unless they served as border troops. Turkish [[Yataghan|yatagan]] swords were the signature weapon of the janissaries, almost a symbol of the corps. Janissaries who guarded the palace(Zülüflü Baltacılar) carried long shafted axes and hallebards.<br />
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By the early 16th century, the Janissaries were equipped with and were skilled with [[musket]]s.<ref name=Nicolle36>Nicolle, p.36.</ref> In particular, they used a massive 'trench gun', firing an {{convert|80|mm|in|adj=on}} ball,{{Citation needed|date=October 2008}} which was "feared by their enemies".<ref name=Nicolle36/> Janissaries also made extensive use of early [[grenades]] and [[hand cannon]], such as the [[abus gun]].<ref name=Uzuncarsili/> Pistols were not initially popular but they became so after the [[Cretan War (1645–1669)]].<ref name=Nicolle21>Nicolle, pp 21–22.</ref><br />
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==Battles==<br />
[[File:Cannon battery at the Siege of Esztergom 1543.jpg|250px|thumb|right|a Janissary, a [[Pasha]] and Cannon batteries at the [[Siege of Esztergom]] in 1543.]]<br />
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The Ottoman empire used Janissaries in all its major campaigns, including the 1453 capture of [[Constantinople]], the defeat of the [[Egypt]]ian [[Mamluks]] and wars against [[Hungary]] and [[Austria]]. Janissary troops were always led to the battle by the Sultan himself, and always had a share of the booty. The Janissary Corps was the only infantry division of the Ottoman army which was otherwise mainly composed of cavalry forces. In battle the janissaries' main mission was to protect the sultan, using cannon and smaller firearms, and holding the center of the army against enemy attack during the strategic false retreat of Turkish cavalry. The Janissary corps also included smaller expert teams: explosive experts, engineers and technicians, sharpshooters(with arrow and rifle) miners who dug tunnels under fortresses etc.<br />
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==Revolts and disbandment==<br />
[[File:Surname 22b.jpg|thumb|Banquet ([[Pilaf|Safranpilav]]) for the Janissaries, given by the Sultan. If they refused the meal, they signaled their disapproval of the Sultan. In this case they accept the meal. Ottoman miniature painting, from the ''Surname-i Vehbi'' (1720) at the [[Topkapı Palace]] Museum in [[Istanbul]].]]<br />
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As Janissaries became aware of their own importance they began to desire a better life. By the early 17th century Janissaries had such prestige and influence that they dominated the government. They could mutiny and dictate policy and hinder efforts to modernize the army structure. They could change Sultans as they wished through [[palace coup]]s. They made themselves landholders and tradesmen. They would also limit the enlistment to the sons of former Janissaries who did not have to go through the original training period in the ''acemi oğlan'', as well as avoiding the physical selection, thereby reducing their military value.<br />
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When Janissaries could practically extort money from the Sultan and [[business]] and family life replaced martial fervour, their effectiveness as combat troops decreased. The northern borders of the Ottoman Empire slowly began to shrink southwards after the second [[Battle of Vienna]] in 1683.<br />
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In 1449 they revolted for the first time, demanding higher wages, which they obtained. The stage was set for a decadent evolution, like the [[Streltsy]] of Tsar Peter's Russia or [[Praetorian Guard]] which had proved the greatest threat to Roman emperors, rather than an effective protection. After 1451, every new Sultan felt obligated to pay each Janissary a reward and raise his pay rank. Sultan [[Selim II]] gave janissaries permission to marry in 1566, undermining the exclusivity of loyalty to the dynasty.<br />
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By 1622, the Janissaries were a "serious threat" to the stability of the Empire.<ref name=Kinross292>Kinross, pp 292–295</ref> Through their "greed and indiscipline", they were now a law unto themselves and, against modern European armies, ineffective on the battlefield as a fighting force.<ref name=Kinross292/> In 1622, the teenage sultan, [[Osman II]], after a defeat during war against Poland determined to curb Janissary excesses and outraged at becoming "subject to his own slaves" tried to disband the Janissary corps blaming it for the disaster during Polish war.<ref name=Kinross292/> In the spring, hearing rumours that the Sultan was preparing to move against them, the Janissaries revolted and took the Sultan captive, imprisoning him in the notorious Seven Towers: he was murdered shortly afterwards.<ref name=Kinross292/><br />
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In 1804, The dahis had taken power in the ''[[Sanjak of Smederevo]]'' in defiance of the Sultan and they feared that the Sultan would make use of the Serbs to oust them. To forestall this they decided to [[Slaughter of the knezes|execute all prominent nobles thorughout Central Serbia]]. According to historical sources of the city of [[Valjevo]], heads of the murdered men (following their [[decapitation]]) were put on public display in the central square to serve as an example to those who might plot against the rule of the janissaries.<br />
The event triggered the start of the [[Serbian revolution]] with the [[First Serbian uprising]] aimed at putting an end to the 300 years of Ottoman occupation of modern [[Serbia]].<ref name="NS">[http://books.google.com/books?id=m0QLAAAAIAAJ History of Servia and the Servian Revolution]-Leopold von Ranke,tran:Louisa Hay Ker p 119-20</ref><br />
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In 1807 a Janissary revolt deposed Sultan [[Selim III]], who had tried to modernize the army along Western European lines.<ref name = Kinross432>Kinross, pp 431–434.</ref> His supporters failed to recapture power before [[Mustafa IV]] had him killed, but elevated [[Mahmud II]] to the throne in 1808.<ref name = Kinross432/> When the Janissaries threatened to oust Mahmud II, he had the captured Mustafa executed and eventually came to a compromise with the Janissaries.<ref name = Kinross432/> Ever mindful of the Janissary threat, the sultan spent the next years discreetly securing his position. The Janissaries' abuse of power, military ineffectiveness, resistance to reform and the cost of salaries to 135,000 men, many of whom were not actually serving soldiers, had all become intolerable.<ref>Levy, Avigdor. "The Ottoman Ulama and the Military Reforms of Sultan Mahmud II." Asian and African Studies 7 (1971): 13 - 39.</ref><br />
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By 1826, the sultan was ready to move. Historian [[Patrick Kinross]] suggests that Mahmud II incited them to revolt on purpose, describing it as the sultan's "coup against the Janissaries".<ref name = Kinross456/> The sultan informed them, through a [[fatwa]], that he was forming a new army, organised and trained along modern European lines.<ref name = Kinross456/> As predicted, they mutinied, advancing on the sultan's palace.<ref name = Kinross456/> In the ensuing fight, the Janissary barracks were set in flames by [[artillery]] fire resulting in 4,000 Janissary fatalities.<ref name = Kinross456/> The survivors were either exiled or executed, and their possessions were confiscated by the Sultan.<ref name = Kinross456/> This event is now called [[the Auspicious Incident]]. The last of the Janissaries were then put to death by decapitation in what was later called the blood tower, in [[Thessaloniki]].<br />
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==Janissary music==<br />
[[File:Surname 171b.jpg|thumb|Janissaries marching to [[Mehter]] martial tunes played by the [[Ottoman military band|Mehterân]] military band. Ottoman miniature painting, from the ''Surname-i Vehbi'' (1720) at the [[Topkapı Palace]] Museum in [[Istanbul]].]]<br />
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Sultan Mahmud II abolished the ''mehter'' band in 1826 along with the Janissary corps. Mahmud replaced the mehter band in 1828 with a European style military band trained by [[Giuseppe Donizetti]].<br />
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In modern times, although the Janissary corps no longer exists as a professional fighting force, the tradition of [[Mehter]] music is carried on as a cultural and tourist attraction.<br />
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The military music of the Janissaries is noted for its powerful percussion and shrill winds combining ''kös'' (giant timpani), ''[[davul]]'' (bass drum), ''[[zurna]]'' (a loud shawm), ''naffir'', or ''boru'' (natural trumpet), ''çevgan'' [[bell (instrument)|bell]]s, [[triangle (instrument)|triangle]], (a borrowing from Europe), and [[cymbal]]s (''zil''), among others. Janissary music influenced European classical musicians such as [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart]] and [[Ludwig van Beethoven]], both of whom composed marches in the Alla turca style (Mozart's [[Piano Sonata No. 11 (Mozart)|Piano Sonata in A major]], K. 331 (c. 1783), Beethoven's incidental music for ''[[The Ruins of Athens]]'', Op. 113 (1811), and the final movement of [[Beethoven's Ninth|Symphony no. 9]]), although the Beethoven example is now considered a march rather than Alla turca.<ref>See "Janissary music," New Grove Online</ref><br />
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In 1952, the Janissary [[military band]], ''[[Ottoman military band|Mehterân]]'', was organized again under the auspices of the [[Istanbul Military Museum]]. They have performances during some national holidays as well as in some parades during days of historical importance. For more details, see [[Turkish music (style)]] and [[Mehter]].<br />
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==In Popular Culture==<br />
Janissaries are shown in the 2011 video game [[Assassin's Creed: Revelations]].<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[Culture of the Ottoman Empire]]<br />
*[[Devshirme|Devşirme system]]<br />
*[[Ghilman]]<br />
*[[Mamluk]]<br />
*[[Millet (Ottoman Empire)|Millet system]]<br />
*[[Military of the Ottoman Empire]]<br />
*[[Saqaliba]]<br />
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==Notes and sources==<br />
===Notes===<br />
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===Sources===<br />
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* Agoston, Gabor. ''Barut, Top ve Tüfek Osmanlı İmparatorluğu'nun Asker Gücü ve Silah Sanayisi'', ISBN 975-6051-41-8.<br />
* [[Godfrey Goodwin|Goodwin, Godfrey]] (2001). ''The Janissaries''. UK: [[Saqi Books]]. ISBN 978-0-86356-055-2<br />
* [[Jason Goodwin|Goodwin, Jason]] (1998). ''Lords of the Horizons: A History of the Ottoman Empire''. New York: H. Holt ISBN 0-8050-4081-1<br />
* Jelavich, Barbara (1983). ''History of the Balkans, 18th and 19th Centuries''. New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521 27458-3<br />
* [[Patrick Kinross|Kinross, Patrick]] (1977). ''The Ottoman Centuries: The Rise and Fall of the Turkish Empire'' London: Perennial. ISBN 978-0-688-08093-8<br />
* [[David Nicolle|Nicolle, David]] (1995). ''The Janissaries''. London: Osprey Publishing. ISBN 978-1-85532-413-8<br />
* Shaw, Stanford J. (1976). ''History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey'' (Vol. I). New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-29163-7<br />
* Shaw, Stanford J. & Shaw, Ezel Kural (1977). ''History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey'' (Vol. II). New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-29166-8<br />
* Uzunçarşılı, İsmail (1988). ''Osmanlı Devleti Teşkilatından Kapıkulu Ocakları: Acemi Ocağı ve Yeniçeri Ocağı''. Ankara: Türk Tarih Kurumu. ISBN 975-16-0056-1<br />
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== External links ==<br />
{{Commons category|Janissaries}}<br />
* [http://musicalconfrontations.com/MC5/wlc/mcb/cul/mim/mfl/mtm/foc/foc0000000001.htm History of the Janissary Music]<br />
* [http://www.ottomanempire.de/Geschichte/Armee/Heerwesen_I/Janitscharen/janitscharen.html Janissary section on German-language website about Ottomman empire] (not yet exploited)<br />
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== Representations in popular culture ==<br />
* ''[[The Janissary Tree]]'' a novel by Jason Goodwin set in 19th Century Istanbul<br />
* ''The Sultan's Helmsman'' a historical novel of the Ottoman Navy and Renaissance Italy<br />
* ''Janissary'' and ''Elite Janissary'' are units available in Age of Empires II and Age of Empires III<br />
* ''[[The Janissaries Of Emilion]]'' a short story by [[Basil Copper]]<br />
* In [[Assassin's Creed: Revelations]] they are one of the many different type of enemy soldiers the player can fight<br />
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The '''Janissaries''' (from [[Ottoman Turkish language|Ottoman Turkish]] '''يڭيچرى''' ''Yeniçeri'' meaning "new soldier", {{Lang-sq|Jeniçer}}) were [[infantry]] units that formed the [[Ottoman Empire|Ottoman]] [[sultan]]'s household troops and [[bodyguard]]s. The force was created by the Sultan [[Murad I]] from [[Christian]] boys levied through the [[devşirme]] system from conquered countries in the 14th century<ref name=Kinross48>Kinross, pp 48–52.</ref> and was abolished by Sultan [[Mahmud II]] in 1826 with [[the Auspicious Incident]].<ref name = Kinross456>Kinross, pp. 456–457.</ref><br />
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==Origins==<br />
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The origins of the Janissaries are shrouded in myth though traditional accounts credit [[Orhan I]]&nbsp;– an early Ottoman ''[[bey]]'', who reigned from 1326 to 1359&nbsp;– as the founder.<ref name=Nicolle7>Nicolle, p. 7.</ref> Modern historians, such as [[Patrick Kinross]], put the date slightly later, around 1365, under Orhan's son, [[Murad I]], the first [[sultan]] of the Ottoman Empire.<ref name=Kinross48/> The Janissaries became the first Ottoman [[standing army]], replacing forces that mostly contained tribal warriors (''[[Ghazw|ghazi]]s'') whose loyalty and morale were not always guaranteed.<ref name=Kinross48/> But they all learned Islam in the madrasas and each of them became a Muslim. Turks took them as slaves but showed mercy and they stayed in the closest rooms to the Sultan's room. Turks themselves were not strangers to the "slave-soldier" system, since Turkish slaves and mercenaries served as [[Mamluk|memluk]] or [[ghilman]] soldiers in the [[Abbasid Caliphate|Abbasid]] and [[Fatimid Caliphate|Fatimid]] Empires. [[Ghaznavids|Ghaznavid]] Turks also used [[Afghanistan|Afghan]] and [[Indian people|Indian]] slaves in such manner.<br />
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From Murad I to 1648, the Janissaries were gathered through the [[devşirme]] system. This was the recruiting of non-Turkish children, notably Balkan Christians; Jews were never subject to ''devşirme'', nor were children from Turkic families. In early days, all Christians were enrolled indiscriminately; later, those from Albania, Greece, Bosnia, Serbia and Bulgaria were preferred.<ref name="Kitsikis, Dimitri 1996">Kitsikis, Dimitri (1996). ''Türk Yunan İmparatorluğu''. Istanbul,Simurg Kitabevi</ref><ref>Encyclopædia Britannica. Eleventh Edition</ref><br />
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The Janissaries were ''kapıkulları'' (sing. ''kapıkulu''), "door servants" or "slaves of the Porte", neither free men nor ordinary slaves (Turkish: ''köle'').<ref>Shaw, Stanford; Ezel Kural Shaw (1976). History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey, Volume I. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 27. ISBN 0-521-21280-4.</ref> They were subject to strict discipline, but they were paid salaries and pensions on retirement, and were free to marry; those conscripted through devşirme formed a distinctive social class<ref>Zürcher, Erik (1999). Arming the State. United States of America: LB Tauris and Co Ltd. pp. 5. ISBN 1-86064-404-X.</ref> which quickly became the ruling class of the Ottoman Empire, rivaling the Turkish aristocracy in one of the four royal institutions: the Palace, the Scribes, the Religious and the Military. The brightest of the Janissaries were sent to the Palace institution (Enderun), where the possibility of a glittering career beckoned.<br />
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According to military historian Michael Antonucci, every five years the Turkish administrators would scour their regions for the strongest sons of the sultan's Christian subjects. These boys, usually between the ages of 10 and 12, were then taken from their parents and given to the Turkish families in the provinces to learn Turkish language and customs, and the rules of Islam; these boys were then enrolled in Janissary training. The recruit was immediately indoctrinated into the religion of Islam. He was supervised 24 hours a day and subjected to severe discipline: he was prohibited from growing a beard, taking up a skill other than war, or marrying. The Janissaries were extremely well disciplined (a rarity in the Middle Ages).<br />
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[[Image:Yeniceri aga.jpg|thumb|left|A Janissary [[Agha (Ottoman Empire)|Ağa]] in the year 1768.]]<br />
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Greek Historian [[Dimitri Kitsikis]] in his book, ''Türk Yunan İmparatorluğu'' ("Turco-Greek Empire")<ref name="Kitsikis, Dimitri 1996"/> states that many Christian families were willing to comply with ''devşirme'' because it offered the possibility of great social advancement. Conscripts could one day become Janissary colonels; statesmen who might one day return to their motherland as governor; or even [[Grand Vizier]] or [[Beylerbey]] (governor general), with a seat in the divan (imperial council).<br />
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Perhaps the most famous Janissaries were [[George Kastrioti Skanderbeg]], son of a despot in northern [[Albania]] who later defected and led a 20-year Albanian revolt against the Ottomans, and [[Sokollu Mehmed Paşa]], a Serbian peasant from [[Bosnia]] who later became a grand vizier, served three sultans, and was de facto ruler of the Ottoman Empire<ref>Imamović, Mustafa (1996). Historija Bošnjaka. Sarajevo: BZK Preporod. ISBN 9958-815-00-1</ref> for more than 14 years.<br />
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The Ukrainian, Bulgarian and Serbian languages employed the name Janissary to refer to any warrior who converted from Christianity to Islam.<br />
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==Janissary characteristics==<br />
[[Image:OttomanJanissariesAndDefendingKnightsOfStJohnSiegeOfRhodes1522.jpg|thumb|250px|Janissaries battling the [[Knights Hospitaller]] during the [[Siege of Rhodes (1522)|Siege of Rhodes]] in 1522.]]<br />
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The Janissary corps were distinctive in a number of ways: they were the first regular army to wear unique [[uniform]]s; paid regular salaries for their service; marched to music, the [[mehter]], lived in barracks and used mainly firearms. In those aspects janissaries can be seen as a precursor of the modern military system.<br />
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A Janissary battalion was a close-knit community, effectively the soldier's family. They lived in barracks, serving as policemen, palace guards and firefighters during peacetime.<ref name=GoodwinJ>Goodwin. J, pp. 59, 179-181</ref><br />
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In a sharp departure from the contemporary practice of paying armies only during wartime, the Janissaries received regular salaries, paid quarterly. (By tradition, the [[Sultan]] himself, after authorizing the payments, visited the barracks dressed as a Janissary trooper, and received his pay alongside the other men of the First Division.)<ref name=Uzuncarsili>Uzunçarşılı, pp 66-67, 376-377, 405-406, 411-463, 482-483</ref><br />
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The Janissaries also enjoyed far better support on campaign than their contemporaries. They were part of a well-organized military machine, with one support corps preparing the road and others pitching tents at night and baking the bread. Their weapons and ammunition were transported and re-supplied by the [[cebeci]] corps. They campaigned with their own medical teams of Muslim and Jewish surgeons; their sick and wounded were evacuated to dedicated mobile hospitals set up behind the lines.<ref name=Uzuncarsili/><br />
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These differences, along with a war-record that was impressive, made the Janissaries into a subject of interest and study by foreigners in their own time. Although eventually the concept of the modern army incorporated and surpassed most of the distinctions of the Janissary, and the Ottoman Empire dissolved the Janissary corps, the image of the Janissary has remained as one of the symbols of the Ottomans in the western psyche.<br />
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In return for their loyalty and their fervour in war, Janissaries gained privileges and benefits. They received a cash salary, received booty during wartime and enjoyed a high living standard and respected social status. At first they had to live in barracks and could not marry until retirement, or engage in any other trade, but by the mid-18th century they had taken up many trades and gained the right to marry and enroll their children in the corps and very few continued to live in the barracks.<ref name=GoodwinJ/> Many of them became administrators and scholars. Retired or discharged Janissaries received [[pension]]s and their children were also looked after. This evolution away from their original military vocation was the major cause of the system's demise.<br />
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==Recruitment, training and status==<br />
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[[File:Ataturk Janissary.jpg|thumb|175px|right|[[Kemal Ataturk]] wearing the Traditional Janissary uniform. The large flap of the headdress was in imitation of the sleeve of [[Hajji Bektash]], founder of the Bektashi dervishes, who laid his hand on early Janissaries to give his blessing.<ref>[http://ottomanempire.info/Janissaries.htm The Janissaries and the Ottoman Armed forces]</ref>]]The first Janissary units were formed from prisoners of war and slaves, probably as a result of the sultan taking his traditional one-fifth share of his army's plunder in kind rather than cash.<ref name=Nicolle7/> From the 1380s onwards, their ranks were filled under the ''[[devşirme]]'' system, where feudal dues were paid by service to the sultan.<ref name=Nicolle7/> The "recruits" were mostly [[Christian]] youths, reminiscent of [[Mamelukes]].<ref name=Kinross48/> Sultan Murad may have used [[futuwa]] groups as a model.<br />
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Initially the recruiters favoured [[Ottoman Greece|Greeks]] (who formed the largest part of the first units) and [[Albanians]] (who also served as [[Gendarmerie|gendarmes]]), usually selecting about one boy from forty houses, but the numbers could be changed to correspond with the need for soldiers. Boys aged 14–18 were preferred, though ages 8–20 could be taken.<ref name="Kitsikis, Dimitri 1996"/> Recruits were sometimes gained through voluntarily accessions, as some parents were often eager to have their children enroll in the Janissary service that ensured them a successful career and comfort.<ref>The preaching of Islam: a history of the propagation of the Muslim faith By Sir Thomas Walker Arnold, pg. 130</ref><br />
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As borders of the Ottoman Empire expanded, the devşirme was extended to include [[Bulgarians]], [[Croats]], [[Serbs]], and later [[Romanians]], [[Georgians]], [[Poles]], [[Ukrainians]] and southern [[Russians]]. The Janissaries first began enrolling outside the devşirme system during the reign of Sultan [[Murad III]] (1574-1595) and abandoned devşirme recruitment completely during the 17th century. After this period, volunteers were enrolled, mostly of Muslim origin.<ref name=Uzuncarsili/><br />
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The Janissaries’ reputation increased to the point that by 1683, Sultan [[Mehmet IV]] abolished the devşirme, as increasing numbers of originally Muslim Turkish families had already enrolled their own sons into the force hoping for a lucrative career.<ref name=Uzuncarsili/><br />
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==Training==<br />
[[Image:Yenieri-aturkishjanissary-gentilebellini.jpg|thumb|right|175px|A 15th century Janissary drawing by [[Gentile Bellini]] who also painted the renowned portrait of Sultan [[Mehmed II]].]]<br />
When a Christian boy was recruited under [[devşirme]] system, first he would be sent to selected Turkish families in the provinces to learn to speak Turkish, rules of Islam and customs and culture of Ottoman society. After completion of this period, acemi (rookie) boys would be gathered to be trained in Enderun "acemi oğlan" school at the capital city. At the school, young cadets would be selected for their talents in different areas to train as engineers, artisans, rifleman, clerics, archers, artillery etc. Janissaries trained under strict discipline with hard labour and in practically [[monastic]] conditions in ''acemi oğlan'' ("rookie" or "cadet") schools, where they were expected to remain [[celibate]]. They were also expected to convert to [[Islam]]. All did, as [[Christians]] were not allowed to bear arms in the Ottoman Empire until the 19th century. Unlike other Muslims, they were expressly forbidden to wear beards, only a moustache. These rules were obeyed by Janissaries, at least until the 18th century when they also began to engage in other crafts and trades, breaking another of the original rules.<br />
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For all practical purposes, Janissaries belonged to the Sultan, carrying the title ''kapıkulu'' ("door subjects" or "slaves of the Porte") they were regarded as the protectors of the throne and the Sultan. Janissaries were taught to consider the corps as their home and family, and the Sultan as their father. Only those who proved strong enough earned the rank of true Janissary at the age of twenty-four or twenty-five. The Ocak inherited the property of dead Janissaries, thus amassing wealth (like religious orders and foundations enjoying the "[[Mortmain|dead hand]]").<br />
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Janissaries also learned to follow the dictates of the [[dervish]] saint [[Haji Bektash Veli]], disciples of whom had blessed the first troops. [[Bektashi]] served as a kind of [[chaplain]] for Janissaries. In this and in their secluded life, Janissaries resembled Christian [[military orders]] like the [[Knights Hospitaller|Johannites]] of [[Rhodes]]. As a symbol of their devotion to the order, janissaries wore special hats called "börk". These hats also had a place in front called "kaşıklık", to put a spoon which symbolizes the "kaşık kardeşliği" (brotherhood of the spoon); a sense of comradeship between janissaries who eat and sleep and fight and die together.<br />
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==Janissary corps==<br />
[[File:Solaks.png|thumb|right|175px|A pair of Solaks, the janissary archer bodyguard of the Sultan]]<br />
The corps was organized in ''orta''s (equivalent to [[battalion]]). An '''''orta''''' was headed by a [[çorbaci]]. All ''orta''s together would comprise the proper Janissary corps and its organization named '''''ocak''''' (literally "hearth"). [[Suleiman I]] had 165 ''orta''s but the number over time increased to 196. The Sultan was the supreme commander of the Army and the Janissaries in particular, but the corps was organized and led by their supreme '''''ağa''''' (commander). The corps was divided into three sub-corps:<br />
* the '''''cemaat''''' (frontier troops; also spelled ''jemaat''), with 101 ''orta''s<br />
* the '''''beyliks''''' or ''beuluks'' (the Sultan's own bodyguard), with 61 ''orta''s<br />
* the '''''sekban''''' or ''seirnen'', with 34 ''orta''s<br />
In addition there were also 34 ''orta''s of the ''ajemi'' (cadets).<br />
A semi-autonomous Janissary corps permanently based in Algiers.<br />
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Originally Janissaries could be promoted only through seniority and within their own ''orta''. They would leave the unit only to assume command of another. Only Janissaries' own commanding officers could punish them. The rank names were based on positions in a kitchen staff or troop of hunters, perhaps to emphasise that Janissaries were servants of the Sultan.<br />
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Local Janissaries, stationed in a town or city for a long time, were known as [[yerliyya]]s.<br />
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==Corps strength==<br />
Even though the Janissary corps were the "hassa" (royal) army, personal royal guards of the sultan, the corps was not the main force of the Ottoman military. In the classical period, janissaries comprised only 1/10 of the overall Ottoman army, while the traditional Turkish cavalry forces were the main battle force. According to [[David Nicolle]], the number of Janissaries in the 14th century was 1,000, and estimated to be 6,000 in 1475, whereas the same source estimates 40,000 as the number of [[Sipahi|Timarli Sipahi]], the provincial cavalry which constituted the main force of the army.<ref name=Nicolle9>Nicolle, pp 9–10.</ref> After the defeat in 1699, the number was reduced, but it was increased in the 18th century to 113,400 soldiers, but most were not actual soldiers and were accepted into the army through corrupt means and were only taking salary.<ref name=Nicolle9/><br />
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==Equipment==<br />
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[[File:Turkish guns 1750-1800.jpg|thumb|left|[[Janissary]] guns from the year 1826.]]<br />
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In the first centuries, Janissaries were expert [[Archery|archers]], but they began adopting [[firearms]] as soon as such became available during the 1440s. The [[Siege of Vienna|siege of Vienna in 1529]] confirmed the reputation of their engineers, e.g. [[sapping]] and [[Mining (military)|mining]]. In melee combat they used [[axe]]s and [[kilij]]s. Originally in peacetime they could carry only clubs or [[dagger]]s, unless they served as border troops. Turkish [[Yataghan|yatagan]] swords were the signature weapon of the janissaries, almost a symbol of the corps. Janissaries who guarded the palace(Zülüflü Baltacılar) carried long shafted axes and hallebards.<br />
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By the early 16th century, the Janissaries were equipped with and were skilled with [[musket]]s.<ref name=Nicolle36>Nicolle, p.36.</ref> In particular, they used a massive 'trench gun', firing an {{convert|80|mm|in|adj=on}} ball,{{Citation needed|date=October 2008}} which was "feared by their enemies".<ref name=Nicolle36/> Janissaries also made extensive use of early [[grenades]] and [[hand cannon]], such as the [[abus gun]].<ref name=Uzuncarsili/> Pistols were not initially popular but they became so after the [[Cretan War (1645–1669)]].<ref name=Nicolle21>Nicolle, pp 21–22.</ref><br />
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==Battles==<br />
[[File:Cannon battery at the Siege of Esztergom 1543.jpg|250px|thumb|right|a Janissary, a [[Pasha]] and Cannon batteries at the [[Siege of Esztergom]] in 1543.]]<br />
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The Ottoman empire used Janissaries in all its major campaigns, including the 1453 capture of [[Constantinople]], the defeat of the [[Egypt]]ian [[Mamluks]] and wars against [[Hungary]] and [[Austria]]. Janissary troops were always led to the battle by the Sultan himself, and always had a share of the booty. The Janissary Corps was the only infantry division of the Ottoman army which was otherwise mainly composed of cavalry forces. In battle the janissaries' main mission was to protect the sultan, using cannon and smaller firearms, and holding the center of the army against enemy attack during the strategic false retreat of Turkish cavalry. The Janissary corps also included smaller expert teams: explosive experts, engineers and technicians, sharpshooters(with arrow and rifle) miners who dug tunnels under fortresses etc.<br />
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==Revolts and disbandment==<br />
[[File:Surname 22b.jpg|thumb|Banquet ([[Pilaf|Safranpilav]]) for the Janissaries, given by the Sultan. If they refused the meal, they signaled their disapproval of the Sultan. In this case they accept the meal. Ottoman miniature painting, from the ''Surname-i Vehbi'' (1720) at the [[Topkapı Palace]] Museum in [[Istanbul]].]]<br />
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As Janissaries became aware of their own importance they began to desire a better life. By the early 17th century Janissaries had such prestige and influence that they dominated the government. They could mutiny and dictate policy and hinder efforts to modernize the army structure. They could change Sultans as they wished through [[palace coup]]s. They made themselves landholders and tradesmen. They would also limit the enlistment to the sons of former Janissaries who did not have to go through the original training period in the ''acemi oğlan'', as well as avoiding the physical selection, thereby reducing their military value.<br />
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When Janissaries could practically extort money from the Sultan and [[business]] and family life replaced martial fervour, their effectiveness as combat troops decreased. The northern borders of the Ottoman Empire slowly began to shrink southwards after the second [[Battle of Vienna]] in 1683.<br />
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In 1449 they revolted for the first time, demanding higher wages, which they obtained. The stage was set for a decadent evolution, like the [[Streltsy]] of Tsar Peter's Russia or [[Praetorian Guard]] which had proved the greatest threat to Roman emperors, rather than an effective protection. After 1451, every new Sultan felt obligated to pay each Janissary a reward and raise his pay rank. Sultan [[Selim II]] gave janissaries permission to marry in 1566, undermining the exclusivity of loyalty to the dynasty.<br />
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By 1622, the Janissaries were a "serious threat" to the stability of the Empire.<ref name=Kinross292>Kinross, pp 292–295</ref> Through their "greed and indiscipline", they were now a law unto themselves and, against modern European armies, ineffective on the battlefield as a fighting force.<ref name=Kinross292/> In 1622, the teenage sultan, [[Osman II]], after a defeat during war against Poland determined to curb Janissary excesses and outraged at becoming "subject to his own slaves" tried to disband the Janissary corps blaming it for the disaster during Polish war.<ref name=Kinross292/> In the spring, hearing rumours that the Sultan was preparing to move against them, the Janissaries revolted and took the Sultan captive, imprisoning him in the notorious Seven Towers: he was murdered shortly afterwards.<ref name=Kinross292/><br />
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In 1804, The dahis had taken power in the ''[[Sanjak of Smederevo]]'' in defiance of the Sultan and they feared that the Sultan would make use of the Serbs to oust them. To forestall this they decided to [[Slaughter of the knezes|execute all prominent nobles thorughout Central Serbia]]. According to historical sources of the city of [[Valjevo]], heads of the murdered men (following their [[decapitation]]) were put on public display in the central square to serve as an example to those who might plot against the rule of the janissaries.<br />
The event triggered the start of the [[Serbian revolution]] with the [[First Serbian uprising]] aimed at putting an end to the 300 years of Ottoman occupation of modern [[Serbia]].<ref name="NS">[http://books.google.com/books?id=m0QLAAAAIAAJ History of Servia and the Servian Revolution]-Leopold von Ranke,tran:Louisa Hay Ker p 119-20</ref><br />
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In 1807 a Janissary revolt deposed Sultan [[Selim III]], who had tried to modernize the army along Western European lines.<ref name = Kinross432>Kinross, pp 431–434.</ref> His supporters failed to recapture power before [[Mustafa IV]] had him killed, but elevated [[Mahmud II]] to the throne in 1808.<ref name = Kinross432/> When the Janissaries threatened to oust Mahmud II, he had the captured Mustafa executed and eventually came to a compromise with the Janissaries.<ref name = Kinross432/> Ever mindful of the Janissary threat, the sultan spent the next years discreetly securing his position. The Janissaries' abuse of power, military ineffectiveness, resistance to reform and the cost of salaries to 135,000 men, many of whom were not actually serving soldiers, had all become intolerable.<ref>Levy, Avigdor. "The Ottoman Ulama and the Military Reforms of Sultan Mahmud II." Asian and African Studies 7 (1971): 13 - 39.</ref><br />
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By 1826, the sultan was ready to move. Historian [[Patrick Kinross]] suggests that Mahmud II incited them to revolt on purpose, describing it as the sultan's "coup against the Janissaries".<ref name = Kinross456/> The sultan informed them, through a [[fatwa]], that he was forming a new army, organised and trained along modern European lines.<ref name = Kinross456/> As predicted, they mutinied, advancing on the sultan's palace.<ref name = Kinross456/> In the ensuing fight, the Janissary barracks were set in flames by [[artillery]] fire resulting in 4,000 Janissary fatalities.<ref name = Kinross456/> The survivors were either exiled or executed, and their possessions were confiscated by the Sultan.<ref name = Kinross456/> This event is now called [[the Auspicious Incident]]. The last of the Janissaries were then put to death by decapitation in what was later called the blood tower, in [[Thessaloniki]].<br />
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==Janissary music==<br />
[[File:Surname 171b.jpg|thumb|Janissaries marching to [[Mehter]] martial tunes played by the [[Ottoman military band|Mehterân]] military band. Ottoman miniature painting, from the ''Surname-i Vehbi'' (1720) at the [[Topkapı Palace]] Museum in [[Istanbul]].]]<br />
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Sultan Mahmud II abolished the ''mehter'' band in 1826 along with the Janissary corps. Mahmud replaced the mehter band in 1828 with a European style military band trained by [[Giuseppe Donizetti]].<br />
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In modern times, although the Janissary corps no longer exists as a professional fighting force, the tradition of [[Mehter]] music is carried on as a cultural and tourist attraction.<br />
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The military music of the Janissaries is noted for its powerful percussion and shrill winds combining ''kös'' (giant timpani), ''[[davul]]'' (bass drum), ''[[zurna]]'' (a loud shawm), ''naffir'', or ''boru'' (natural trumpet), ''çevgan'' [[bell (instrument)|bell]]s, [[triangle (instrument)|triangle]], (a borrowing from Europe), and [[cymbal]]s (''zil''), among others. Janissary music influenced European classical musicians such as [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart]] and [[Ludwig van Beethoven]], both of whom composed marches in the Alla turca style (Mozart's [[Piano Sonata No. 11 (Mozart)|Piano Sonata in A major]], K. 331 (c. 1783), Beethoven's incidental music for ''[[The Ruins of Athens]]'', Op. 113 (1811), and the final movement of [[Beethoven's Ninth|Symphony no. 9]]), although the Beethoven example is now considered a march rather than Alla turca.<ref>See "Janissary music," New Grove Online</ref><br />
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In 1952, the Janissary [[military band]], ''[[Ottoman military band|Mehterân]]'', was organized again under the auspices of the [[Istanbul Military Museum]]. They have performances during some national holidays as well as in some parades during days of historical importance. For more details, see [[Turkish music (style)]] and [[Mehter]].<br />
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== In Popular Culture ==<br />
Janissaries are shown in the 2011 video game [[Assassin's Creed: Revelations]].<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[Culture of the Ottoman Empire]]<br />
*[[Devshirme|Devşirme system]]<br />
*[[Ghilman]]<br />
*[[Mamluk]]<br />
*[[Millet (Ottoman Empire)|Millet system]]<br />
*[[Military of the Ottoman Empire]]<br />
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==Notes and sources==<br />
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===Sources===<br />
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* Agoston, Gabor. ''Barut, Top ve Tüfek Osmanlı İmparatorluğu'nun Asker Gücü ve Silah Sanayisi'', ISBN 975-6051-41-8.<br />
* [[Godfrey Goodwin|Goodwin, Godfrey]] (2001). ''The Janissaries''. UK: [[Saqi Books]]. ISBN 978-0-86356-055-2<br />
* [[Jason Goodwin|Goodwin, Jason]] (1998). ''Lords of the Horizons: A History of the Ottoman Empire''. New York: H. Holt ISBN 0-8050-4081-1<br />
* Jelavich, Barbara (1983). ''History of the Balkans, 18th and 19th Centuries''. New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521 27458-3<br />
* [[Patrick Kinross|Kinross, Patrick]] (1977). ''The Ottoman Centuries: The Rise and Fall of the Turkish Empire'' London: Perennial. ISBN 978-0-688-08093-8<br />
* [[David Nicolle|Nicolle, David]] (1995). ''The Janissaries''. London: Osprey Publishing. ISBN 978-1-85532-413-8<br />
* Shaw, Stanford J. (1976). ''History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey'' (Vol. I). New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-29163-7<br />
* Shaw, Stanford J. & Shaw, Ezel Kural (1977). ''History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey'' (Vol. II). New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-29166-8<br />
* Uzunçarşılı, İsmail (1988). ''Osmanlı Devleti Teşkilatından Kapıkulu Ocakları: Acemi Ocağı ve Yeniçeri Ocağı''. Ankara: Türk Tarih Kurumu. ISBN 975-16-0056-1<br />
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{{Commons category|Janissaries}}<br />
* [http://musicalconfrontations.com/MC5/wlc/mcb/cul/mim/mfl/mtm/foc/foc0000000001.htm History of the Janissary Music]<br />
* [http://www.ottomanempire.de/Geschichte/Armee/Heerwesen_I/Janitscharen/janitscharen.html Janissary section on German-language website about Ottomman empire] (not yet exploited)<br />
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== Representations in popular culture ==<br />
* ''[[The Janissary Tree]]'' a novel by Jason Goodwin set in 19th Century Istanbul<br />
* ''The Sultan's Helmsman'' a historical novel of the Ottoman Navy and Renaissance Italy<br />
* ''Janissary'' and ''Elite Janissary'' are units available in Age of Empires II and Age of Empires III<br />
* ''[[The Janissaries Of Emilion]]'' a short story by [[Basil Copper]]<br />
* In [[Assassin's Creed: Revelations]] they are one of the many different type of enemy soldiers the player can fight<br />
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|Series = The Twilight Zone<br />
|Image = [[File:Steel (The Twilight Zone).jpg|250px]]<br />
|Caption = Battling Maxo<br />
|Season = 5<br />
|Episode = 122<br />
|Airdate = October 4, 1963<br />
|Production =2602<br />
|Writer = [[Richard Matheson]] <br /> (Based on his story, first published in the May [[1956]] edition of ''[[The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction]]''.)<br />
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|Guests = [[Lee Marvin]]: Steel Kelly <br /> [[Joe Mantell]]: Pole <br /> [[Tipp McClure]]: Battling Maxo <br /> [[Chuck Hicks]]: Maynard Flash<br />
| Music = [[Nathan Van Cleave]]<br />
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"'''Steel'''" is an episode of the [[American television]] anthology series ''[[The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series)|The Twilight Zone]]''.<br />
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==Opening Narration==<br />
{{cquote|Sports item, circa 1974: Battling Maxo, B2, heavyweight, accompanied by his manager and handler, arrives in Maynard, Kansas, for a scheduled six-round bout. Battling Maxo is a robot, or, to be exact, an android, definition: 'an automaton resembling a human being.' Only these automatons have been permitted in the ring since prizefighting was legally abolished in 1968. This is the story of that scheduled six-round bout, more specifically the story of two men shortly to face that remorseless truth: that no law can be passed which will abolish cruelty or desperate need - nor, for that matter, blind animal courage. Location for the facing of said truth: a small, smoke-filled arena just this side of the Twilight Zone.}}<br />
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==Synopsis==<br />
In a future where any boxing involving human fighters has been criminalized, the sport is now dominated by fighting robots. Former boxer Steel Kelly manages a B2-model robot called "Battling Maxo." Maxo is an older fighting robot that, due to his age, is not in demand. Kelly and his partner have used the last of their money to get to the fight venue. He is being given this chance because one of the scheduled fighters was damaged in transport. Kelly has to assure the fight promoter that Maxo will be able to fight. After the fight promoter leaves, Kelly and his partner/mechanic, Pole, argue about Maxo's condition and that he needs new parts. Kelly feels that Maxo should be able to go through with the fight despite Maxo's age and condition. While Pole tests Maxo's functions, an arm spring lets go and they do not have the parts or the money to fix him. Kelly decides that since they are from out of town, he would disguise himself as Maxo in order to collect the money necessary for repairs. Steel enters the fight disguised as Maxo. However, despite a valiant effort, he is unable to damage the B7 robot he is fighting, even when he lands an unblocked punch directly in the back of its head. He is nearly killed after lasting a little under three minutes. The crowd jeers and boos at Maxo's performance, not knowing that it is a human doing the fighting. Afterwards, the fight promoter will only give them ''half'' the prize money because of "Maxo's" poor performance; Kelly dares not protest, or the promoter will recognize him as "Maxo" and renege entirely. The episode ends with Kelly, bruised but stubborn as ever, telling Pole that with the money they will get the parts to fix Maxo.<br />
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==Closing Narration==<br />
{{cquote|Portrait of a losing side, proof positive that you can't outpunch machinery. Proof also of something else: that no matter what the future brings, man's capacity to rise to the occasion will remain unaltered. His potential for tenacity and optimism continues, as always, to outfight, outpoint and outlive any and all changes made by his society, for which three cheers and a unanimous decision rendered from the Twilight Zone.}}<br />
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==Production notes==<br />
This was the first episode sponsored by [[Procter & Gamble]] (alternating sponsorship with [[American Tobacco]]), who usually "pitched" [[Crest (toothpaste)|Crest]] toothpaste, Lilt Home Permanent, and [[Prell]] shampoo, among their other products. Serling was not required to endorse any of P&G's products at the end of their episodes.<br />
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==See also==<br />
*''[[Real Steel]]'', a 2011 American science fiction film also based on Richard Matheson's short story<br />
*''[[I, (Annoyed Grunt)-Bot]]'', a 2004 episode of [[The Simpsons]] inspired by this episode<br />
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==References==<br />
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*DeVoe, Bill. (2008). ''Trivia from The Twilight Zone''. Albany, GA: Bear Manor Media. ISBN 978-1593931360<br />
*Grams, Martin. (2008). ''The Twilight Zone: Unlocking the Door to a Television Classic''. Churchville, MD: OTR Publishing. ISBN 978-0970331090<br />
*Zicree, Marc Scott: ''The Twilight Zone Companion''. Sillman-James Press, 1982 (second edition)<br />
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*[http://www.tv.com/the-twilight-zone/steel/episode/12707/summary.html TV.com episode page]<br />
*[http://twilightzoneproject.blogspot.com/2007/06/502-steel.html ''Steel'' review] on ''The Twilight Zone Project''<br />
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Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Vandalism ==<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
==Xbox Live userbox==<br />
Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
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Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==deletion discussions==<br />
Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Schools==<br />
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Hey Superbowlbound, <br />
<br />
You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
<br />
While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == <br />
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Please note that there is a DC Meetup planned for May 17th at 5:00 p.m., though a place has not yet been set. You're receiving this notice because you posted to the page for the prior meetup - [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] - but haven't indicated whether or not you're interested in attending this one. (Apologies if in fact you have.) [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 01:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt Wikiproject News==<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
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:Ballin! [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound#top|talk]]) 16:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Meetup/DC/Invite/List&diff=425920119Wikipedia:Meetup/DC/Invite/List2011-04-26T00:01:10Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* Invite list */</p>
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* [[User:Zidel333]]</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Superbowlbound&diff=425919926User talk:Superbowlbound2011-04-26T00:00:03Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* AfD nomination of Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania) */</p>
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==Wikimedia Pennsylvania==<br />
Hello there!<br />
<br />
I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: [[m:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|Wikimedia Pennsylvania]]. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:<br />
* Contact us on IRC at [irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikimedia-pa <tt>#wikimedia-pa</tt>]<br />
* Join our [http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapa-l mailing list]<br />
* Visit our blog at http://wmfpa.blogspot.com<br />
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'''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>]]</small>''' 04:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Vandalism ==<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
==Xbox Live userbox==<br />
Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
<br />
Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==deletion discussions==<br />
Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Schools==<br />
<br />
Hey Superbowlbound, <br />
<br />
You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
<br />
While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt Wikiproject News==<br />
There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh event for Wikipedia's tenth anniversary ==<br />
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Hi! Since you're a member of WikiProject Pittsburgh, I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary celebrations we're having in Pittsburgh on Saturday, January 15. During the daytime, we're going to be having a photo contribution drive where anyone can bring in their digital photos or prints and Wikipedians will teach people how to upload them and add them to articles, and maybe introduction to Wikipedia workshops as well. Then in the evening, we'll have fun at the Carson City Saloon. There will be free Wikipedia t-shirts and other goodies, as well. See [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh|the Pittsburgh meetup page]] for more details. I hope to see you there!--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!==<br />
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We're so glad you're here! [[User:Jorcoga|Jorcoga]] 13:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimedia Pennsylvania==<br />
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I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: [[m:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|Wikimedia Pennsylvania]]. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
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Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == <br />
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There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==AfD nomination of Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)==<br />
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]I have nominated [[Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]], an article you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <!-- Template:AFDWarning --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
You may be interested in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pittsburgh#Possibility_of_Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art_at_the_Carnegie_Museums_of_Pittsburgh|this]]. Hope to see you there! --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 05:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] revival==<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup, October 23 ==<br />
You are invited to Wikipedia '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|DC Meetup #12]]''' on Saturday, October 23, 6pm at Bertucci's in Foggy Bottom. Special guests at this meetup will include Wikimedia CTO [[Danese Cooper]], other Wikimedia technical staff and volunteer developers who will be in DC for [[:mw:Hack-A-Ton DC|Hack-A-Ton DC]]. Please RSVP on the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|meetup page]].<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup 13 ==<br />
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== WikiProject Pittsburgh ==<br />
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== Pittsburgh event for Wikipedia's tenth anniversary ==<br />
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Hi! Since you're a member of WikiProject Pittsburgh, I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary celebrations we're having in Pittsburgh on Saturday, January 15. During the daytime, we're going to be having a photo contribution drive where anyone can bring in their digital photos or prints and Wikipedians will teach people how to upload them and add them to articles, and maybe introduction to Wikipedia workshops as well. Then in the evening, we'll have fun at the Carson City Saloon. There will be free Wikipedia t-shirts and other goodies, as well. See [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh|the Pittsburgh meetup page]] for more details. I hope to see you there!--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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* '''Date:''' January 22, 2011 (tentatively 9:30 AM - 5 PM)<br />
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* '''Description:''' There will be a behind-the-scenes tour of the National Archives and you will learn more about what NARA does. We will also have a mini-film screening featuring [[Wikipedia:WikiProject FedFlix|FedFlix]] videos along with a special message from [[Jimmy Wales]]. In the afternoon, there will be lightning talks by Wikimedians ([[:tenwiki:Washington_DC#Lightning_talks|signup to speak]]), wiki-trivia, and cupcakes to celebrate!<br />
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==Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!==<br />
# At [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]] in January, [[User:Harej]] proposed that DC submit a bid to host [[:meta:Wikimania 2012|Wikimania 2012]]. A bid and organizing committee is being formed and seeks additional volunteers to help. Please look at our [[:meta:Wikimania 2012/Bids/Washington, D.C.|bid page]] and sign up if you want to help out. You can also signup for the bid team's [http://groups.google.com/group/wikimania-dc-bid email list].<br />
# To support the Wikimania bid, more events like WikiXDC, and outreach activities like collaborations with the [[WP:GLAM/SI|Smithsonian]] (ongoing) and National Archives, there also has been discussion of forming Wikimedia DC, as an official Wikimedia chapter. You can express interest and contribute to chapter discussions on the [[:meta:Wikimedia DC|Wikimedia DC]] Meta-Wiki pages.<br />
# To discuss all this and meet up with special guest, Dutch Wikipedian [[User:Kim Bruning]], there will be a meetup, [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 16]] this Tuesday at 7pm, at Capitol City Brewery, Metro Center. There will be a pre-meetup Wikimania team meeting at 6pm at the same location. <br />
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==DC Meetup: May 7 @ Tenleytown Library==<br />
The next DC Wikimedia meetup is scheduled for Saturday, May 7, 3:30-5:30 pm at the Tenleytown Library (adjacent to the Tenleytown Metro Station, Red Line), followed by dinner & socializing at some nearby place. <br />
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We're so glad you're here! [[User:Jorcoga|Jorcoga]] 13:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimedia Pennsylvania==<br />
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I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: [[m:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|Wikimedia Pennsylvania]]. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:<br />
* Contact us on IRC at [irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikimedia-pa <tt>#wikimedia-pa</tt>]<br />
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==Language in articles==<br />
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Please observe the language used in articles before you edit them. Your 'corrections' to [[Thuggee]] were in fact in error, given that it is written in (Indian/British) English. &mdash; [[User:Yama|Yama]] 07:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Please do not change spelling in articles from one variety of English to another without good reason. See [[WP:ENGVAR#National varieties of English]] [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 23:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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You've been asked before not to change between English variants in articles without good reason. Your recent change to [[Caesarean section]] did just that. It would be great if you could read the links that editors have left before me on this exact topic. [[User:Chovain|Mark]] [[User talk:Chovain|Chovain]] 03:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Vandalism ==<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
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Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==deletion discussions==<br />
Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == <br />
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Please note that there is a DC Meetup planned for May 17th at 5:00 p.m., though a place has not yet been set. You're receiving this notice because you posted to the page for the prior meetup - [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] - but haven't indicated whether or not you're interested in attending this one. (Apologies if in fact you have.) [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 01:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt Wikiproject News==<br />
There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==AfD nomination of Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)==<br />
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]I have nominated [[Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]], an article you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <!-- Template:AFDWarning --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
You may be interested in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pittsburgh#Possibility_of_Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art_at_the_Carnegie_Museums_of_Pittsburgh|this]]. Hope to see you there! --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 05:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] revival==<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup, October 23 ==<br />
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== Pittsburgh event for Wikipedia's tenth anniversary ==<br />
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Hi! Since you're a member of WikiProject Pittsburgh, I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary celebrations we're having in Pittsburgh on Saturday, January 15. During the daytime, we're going to be having a photo contribution drive where anyone can bring in their digital photos or prints and Wikipedians will teach people how to upload them and add them to articles, and maybe introduction to Wikipedia workshops as well. Then in the evening, we'll have fun at the Carson City Saloon. There will be free Wikipedia t-shirts and other goodies, as well. See [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh|the Pittsburgh meetup page]] for more details. I hope to see you there!--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!==<br />
# At [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]] in January, [[User:Harej]] proposed that DC submit a bid to host [[:meta:Wikimania 2012|Wikimania 2012]]. A bid and organizing committee is being formed and seeks additional volunteers to help. Please look at our [[:meta:Wikimania 2012/Bids/Washington, D.C.|bid page]] and sign up if you want to help out. You can also signup for the bid team's [http://groups.google.com/group/wikimania-dc-bid email list].<br />
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# To discuss all this and meet up with special guest, Dutch Wikipedian [[User:Kim Bruning]], there will be a meetup, [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 16]] this Tuesday at 7pm, at Capitol City Brewery, Metro Center. There will be a pre-meetup Wikimania team meeting at 6pm at the same location. <br />
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==DC Meetup: May 7 @ Tenleytown Library==<br />
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We're so glad you're here! [[User:Jorcoga|Jorcoga]] 13:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimedia Pennsylvania==<br />
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I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: [[m:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|Wikimedia Pennsylvania]]. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:<br />
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==Language in articles==<br />
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Please observe the language used in articles before you edit them. Your 'corrections' to [[Thuggee]] were in fact in error, given that it is written in (Indian/British) English. &mdash; [[User:Yama|Yama]] 07:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Please do not change spelling in articles from one variety of English to another without good reason. See [[WP:ENGVAR#National varieties of English]] [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 23:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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You've been asked before not to change between English variants in articles without good reason. Your recent change to [[Caesarean section]] did just that. It would be great if you could read the links that editors have left before me on this exact topic. [[User:Chovain|Mark]] [[User talk:Chovain|Chovain]] 03:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Vandalism ==<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
==Xbox Live userbox==<br />
Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
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Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==deletion discussions==<br />
Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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A pitt student, fantasy fan, eagle scout, German speaker... if you juggled, I'd say you just took my spot at Pitt when I graduated. [[User:Lyellin|Lyellin]] ([[User talk:Lyellin|talk]]) 01:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == <br />
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Please note that there is a DC Meetup planned for May 17th at 5:00 p.m., though a place has not yet been set. You're receiving this notice because you posted to the page for the prior meetup - [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] - but haven't indicated whether or not you're interested in attending this one. (Apologies if in fact you have.) [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 01:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt Wikiproject News==<br />
There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==AfD nomination of Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)==<br />
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]I have nominated [[Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]], an article you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <!-- Template:AFDWarning --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
You may be interested in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pittsburgh#Possibility_of_Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art_at_the_Carnegie_Museums_of_Pittsburgh|this]]. Hope to see you there! --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 05:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] revival==<br />
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Hello. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] is being revived. Since you are listed as a participant [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama/List of participants|here]], you have received this message to make sure you still are. If you like to help update the WikiProject, please discuss [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Futurama#Revival|here]]. Hopefully you can stay with us and continue to work on Futurama-related articles. [[User:GamerPro64|GamerPro64]] ([[User talk:GamerPro64|talk]]) <small>delivered by [[User:MuZebot|MuZebot]]</small> 06:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup, October 23 ==<br />
You are invited to Wikipedia '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|DC Meetup #12]]''' on Saturday, October 23, 6pm at Bertucci's in Foggy Bottom. Special guests at this meetup will include Wikimedia CTO [[Danese Cooper]], other Wikimedia technical staff and volunteer developers who will be in DC for [[:mw:Hack-A-Ton DC|Hack-A-Ton DC]]. Please RSVP on the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|meetup page]].<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup 13 ==<br />
You are invited to Wikipedia '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_13|DC Meetup #13]]''' on Wednesday, November 17, from 7 to 9 pm, location to be determined (but near a Metro station in DC). <br />
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== WikiProject Pittsburgh ==<br />
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== Pittsburgh event for Wikipedia's tenth anniversary ==<br />
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Hi! Since you're a member of WikiProject Pittsburgh, I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary celebrations we're having in Pittsburgh on Saturday, January 15. During the daytime, we're going to be having a photo contribution drive where anyone can bring in their digital photos or prints and Wikipedians will teach people how to upload them and add them to articles, and maybe introduction to Wikipedia workshops as well. Then in the evening, we'll have fun at the Carson City Saloon. There will be free Wikipedia t-shirts and other goodies, as well. See [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh|the Pittsburgh meetup page]] for more details. I hope to see you there!--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==WikiXDC: Wikipedia 10th Birthday!==<br />
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You are invited to '''[[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]]''', a special meetup event and celebration on Saturday, January 22 hosted by the [[National Archives and Records Administration]] in downtown Washington, D.C.<br />
* '''Date:''' January 22, 2011 (tentatively 9:30 AM - 5 PM)<br />
* '''Location:''' [[w:National Archives and Records Administration|National Archives and Records Administration]] (NARA), downtown building, Pennsylvania Avenue & 7th St NW.<br />
* '''Description:''' There will be a behind-the-scenes tour of the National Archives and you will learn more about what NARA does. We will also have a mini-film screening featuring [[Wikipedia:WikiProject FedFlix|FedFlix]] videos along with a special message from [[Jimmy Wales]]. In the afternoon, there will be lightning talks by Wikimedians ([[:tenwiki:Washington_DC#Lightning_talks|signup to speak]]), wiki-trivia, and cupcakes to celebrate!<br />
* '''Details & RSVP: ''' Details about the event are on our Washington, DC [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|tenwiki page]].<br />
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==Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!==<br />
# At [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]] in January, [[User:Harej]] proposed that DC submit a bid to host [[:meta:Wikimania 2012|Wikimania 2012]]. A bid and organizing committee is being formed and seeks additional volunteers to help. Please look at our [[:meta:Wikimania 2012/Bids/Washington, D.C.|bid page]] and sign up if you want to help out. You can also signup for the bid team's [http://groups.google.com/group/wikimania-dc-bid email list].<br />
# To support the Wikimania bid, more events like WikiXDC, and outreach activities like collaborations with the [[WP:GLAM/SI|Smithsonian]] (ongoing) and National Archives, there also has been discussion of forming Wikimedia DC, as an official Wikimedia chapter. You can express interest and contribute to chapter discussions on the [[:meta:Wikimedia DC|Wikimedia DC]] Meta-Wiki pages.<br />
# To discuss all this and meet up with special guest, Dutch Wikipedian [[User:Kim Bruning]], there will be a meetup, [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 16]] this Tuesday at 7pm, at Capitol City Brewery, Metro Center. There will be a pre-meetup Wikimania team meeting at 6pm at the same location. <br />
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Apologies for the short notice for this meetup, but [[Wikipedia talk:Meetup/DC 17|let's discuss]] when, where & what for DC Meetup #17. Also, if you haven't yet, please join [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-dc/ wikimedia-dc] mailing list to stay informed. Cheers, [[User:Aude]] ([[User talk:Aude|talk]])<br />
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==DC Meetup: May 7 @ Tenleytown Library==<br />
The next DC Wikimedia meetup is scheduled for Saturday, May 7, 3:30-5:30 pm at the Tenleytown Library (adjacent to the Tenleytown Metro Station, Red Line), followed by dinner & socializing at some nearby place. <br />
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This is the first official meeting of our proposed Wikimedia DC chapter, with discussion of bylaws and next steps. Other agenda items include, update everyone on our successful Wikimania bid and next steps in the planning process, discuss upcoming activities that we want to do over the summer and fall, and more.<br />
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<big>'''Welcome!'''</big> (''We can't say that loudly enough!'')<br />
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We're so glad you're here! [[User:Jorcoga|Jorcoga]] 13:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimedia Pennsylvania==<br />
Hello there!<br />
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I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: [[m:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|Wikimedia Pennsylvania]]. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:<br />
* Contact us on IRC at [irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikimedia-pa <tt>#wikimedia-pa</tt>]<br />
* Join our [http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapa-l mailing list]<br />
* Visit our blog at http://wmfpa.blogspot.com<br />
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==Language in articles==<br />
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Please observe the language used in articles before you edit them. Your 'corrections' to [[Thuggee]] were in fact in error, given that it is written in (Indian/British) English. &mdash; [[User:Yama|Yama]] 07:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Please do not change spelling in articles from one variety of English to another without good reason. See [[WP:ENGVAR#National varieties of English]] [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 23:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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You've been asked before not to change between English variants in articles without good reason. Your recent change to [[Caesarean section]] did just that. It would be great if you could read the links that editors have left before me on this exact topic. [[User:Chovain|Mark]] [[User talk:Chovain|Chovain]] 03:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Vandalism ==<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
==Xbox Live userbox==<br />
Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
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Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==deletion discussions==<br />
Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Pitt Pharmacy logo.gif}==<br />
Thank you for uploading '''[[:Image:Pitt Pharmacy logo.gif]]'''. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this image under "fair use" may not meet the criteria required by [[Wikipedia:Non-free content]]. This can be corrected by going to the image description page and add or clarify the reason why the image qualifies for fair use. In particular, for each page the image is used on, the image must have an [[Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline|explanation]] linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Can you please check:<br />
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A pitt student, fantasy fan, eagle scout, German speaker... if you juggled, I'd say you just took my spot at Pitt when I graduated. [[User:Lyellin|Lyellin]] ([[User talk:Lyellin|talk]]) 01:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == <br />
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Please note that there is a DC Meetup planned for May 17th at 5:00 p.m., though a place has not yet been set. You're receiving this notice because you posted to the page for the prior meetup - [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] - but haven't indicated whether or not you're interested in attending this one. (Apologies if in fact you have.) [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 01:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt Wikiproject News==<br />
There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==AfD nomination of Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)==<br />
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]I have nominated [[Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]], an article you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <!-- Template:AFDWarning --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
You may be interested in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pittsburgh#Possibility_of_Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art_at_the_Carnegie_Museums_of_Pittsburgh|this]]. Hope to see you there! --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 05:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Ballin! [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound#top|talk]]) 16:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] revival==<br />
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Hello. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] is being revived. Since you are listed as a participant [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama/List of participants|here]], you have received this message to make sure you still are. If you like to help update the WikiProject, please discuss [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Futurama#Revival|here]]. Hopefully you can stay with us and continue to work on Futurama-related articles. [[User:GamerPro64|GamerPro64]] ([[User talk:GamerPro64|talk]]) <small>delivered by [[User:MuZebot|MuZebot]]</small> 06:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup, October 23 ==<br />
You are invited to Wikipedia '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|DC Meetup #12]]''' on Saturday, October 23, 6pm at Bertucci's in Foggy Bottom. Special guests at this meetup will include Wikimedia CTO [[Danese Cooper]], other Wikimedia technical staff and volunteer developers who will be in DC for [[:mw:Hack-A-Ton DC|Hack-A-Ton DC]]. Please RSVP on the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|meetup page]].<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup 13 ==<br />
You are invited to Wikipedia '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_13|DC Meetup #13]]''' on Wednesday, November 17, from 7 to 9 pm, location to be determined (but near a Metro station in DC). <br />
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== Pittsburgh event for Wikipedia's tenth anniversary ==<br />
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Hi! Since you're a member of WikiProject Pittsburgh, I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary celebrations we're having in Pittsburgh on Saturday, January 15. During the daytime, we're going to be having a photo contribution drive where anyone can bring in their digital photos or prints and Wikipedians will teach people how to upload them and add them to articles, and maybe introduction to Wikipedia workshops as well. Then in the evening, we'll have fun at the Carson City Saloon. There will be free Wikipedia t-shirts and other goodies, as well. See [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh|the Pittsburgh meetup page]] for more details. I hope to see you there!--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==WikiXDC: Wikipedia 10th Birthday!==<br />
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You are invited to '''[[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]]''', a special meetup event and celebration on Saturday, January 22 hosted by the [[National Archives and Records Administration]] in downtown Washington, D.C.<br />
* '''Date:''' January 22, 2011 (tentatively 9:30 AM - 5 PM)<br />
* '''Location:''' [[w:National Archives and Records Administration|National Archives and Records Administration]] (NARA), downtown building, Pennsylvania Avenue & 7th St NW.<br />
* '''Description:''' There will be a behind-the-scenes tour of the National Archives and you will learn more about what NARA does. We will also have a mini-film screening featuring [[Wikipedia:WikiProject FedFlix|FedFlix]] videos along with a special message from [[Jimmy Wales]]. In the afternoon, there will be lightning talks by Wikimedians ([[:tenwiki:Washington_DC#Lightning_talks|signup to speak]]), wiki-trivia, and cupcakes to celebrate!<br />
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==Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!==<br />
# At [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]] in January, [[User:Harej]] proposed that DC submit a bid to host [[:meta:Wikimania 2012|Wikimania 2012]]. A bid and organizing committee is being formed and seeks additional volunteers to help. Please look at our [[:meta:Wikimania 2012/Bids/Washington, D.C.|bid page]] and sign up if you want to help out. You can also signup for the bid team's [http://groups.google.com/group/wikimania-dc-bid email list].<br />
# To support the Wikimania bid, more events like WikiXDC, and outreach activities like collaborations with the [[WP:GLAM/SI|Smithsonian]] (ongoing) and National Archives, there also has been discussion of forming Wikimedia DC, as an official Wikimedia chapter. You can express interest and contribute to chapter discussions on the [[:meta:Wikimedia DC|Wikimedia DC]] Meta-Wiki pages.<br />
# To discuss all this and meet up with special guest, Dutch Wikipedian [[User:Kim Bruning]], there will be a meetup, [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 16]] this Tuesday at 7pm, at Capitol City Brewery, Metro Center. There will be a pre-meetup Wikimania team meeting at 6pm at the same location. <br />
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Apologies for the short notice for this meetup, but [[Wikipedia talk:Meetup/DC 17|let's discuss]] when, where & what for DC Meetup #17. Also, if you haven't yet, please join [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-dc/ wikimedia-dc] mailing list to stay informed. Cheers, [[User:Aude]] ([[User talk:Aude|talk]])<br />
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==DC Meetup: May 7 @ Tenleytown Library==<br />
The next DC Wikimedia meetup is scheduled for Saturday, May 7, 3:30-5:30 pm at the Tenleytown Library (adjacent to the Tenleytown Metro Station, Red Line), followed by dinner & socializing at some nearby place. <br />
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We're so glad you're here! [[User:Jorcoga|Jorcoga]] 13:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimedia Pennsylvania==<br />
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I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: [[m:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|Wikimedia Pennsylvania]]. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:<br />
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==Language in articles==<br />
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Please observe the language used in articles before you edit them. Your 'corrections' to [[Thuggee]] were in fact in error, given that it is written in (Indian/British) English. &mdash; [[User:Yama|Yama]] 07:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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You've been asked before not to change between English variants in articles without good reason. Your recent change to [[Caesarean section]] did just that. It would be great if you could read the links that editors have left before me on this exact topic. [[User:Chovain|Mark]] [[User talk:Chovain|Chovain]] 03:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Vandalism ==<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
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Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==deletion discussions==<br />
Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt WikiProject==<br />
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As a current or past contributor to a [[University of Pittsburgh|Pitt]]-[[:Category:University of Pittsburgh|related]] article, I thought I'd let you know about '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pittsburgh|WikiProject University of Pittsburgh]]''', a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the [[University of Pittsburgh]] and the [[Pittsburgh Panthers|Pitt Panthers]]. If you would like to participate, you can visit [[Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pittsburgh|the project page]], where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! [[User:Addbot|Addbot]] ([[User talk:Addbot|talk]]) 19:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A pitt student, fantasy fan, eagle scout, German speaker... if you juggled, I'd say you just took my spot at Pitt when I graduated. [[User:Lyellin|Lyellin]] ([[User talk:Lyellin|talk]]) 01:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == <br />
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Please note that there is a DC Meetup planned for May 17th at 5:00 p.m., though a place has not yet been set. You're receiving this notice because you posted to the page for the prior meetup - [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] - but haven't indicated whether or not you're interested in attending this one. (Apologies if in fact you have.) [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 01:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt Wikiproject News==<br />
There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==AfD nomination of Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)==<br />
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]I have nominated [[Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]], an article you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <!-- Template:AFDWarning --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
You may be interested in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pittsburgh#Possibility_of_Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art_at_the_Carnegie_Museums_of_Pittsburgh|this]]. Hope to see you there! --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 05:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Ballin! [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound#top|talk]]) 16:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] revival==<br />
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Hello. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] is being revived. Since you are listed as a participant [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama/List of participants|here]], you have received this message to make sure you still are. If you like to help update the WikiProject, please discuss [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Futurama#Revival|here]]. Hopefully you can stay with us and continue to work on Futurama-related articles. [[User:GamerPro64|GamerPro64]] ([[User talk:GamerPro64|talk]]) <small>delivered by [[User:MuZebot|MuZebot]]</small> 06:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup, October 23 ==<br />
You are invited to Wikipedia '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|DC Meetup #12]]''' on Saturday, October 23, 6pm at Bertucci's in Foggy Bottom. Special guests at this meetup will include Wikimedia CTO [[Danese Cooper]], other Wikimedia technical staff and volunteer developers who will be in DC for [[:mw:Hack-A-Ton DC|Hack-A-Ton DC]]. Please RSVP on the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|meetup page]].<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup 13 ==<br />
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== WikiProject Pittsburgh ==<br />
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== Pittsburgh event for Wikipedia's tenth anniversary ==<br />
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Hi! Since you're a member of WikiProject Pittsburgh, I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary celebrations we're having in Pittsburgh on Saturday, January 15. During the daytime, we're going to be having a photo contribution drive where anyone can bring in their digital photos or prints and Wikipedians will teach people how to upload them and add them to articles, and maybe introduction to Wikipedia workshops as well. Then in the evening, we'll have fun at the Carson City Saloon. There will be free Wikipedia t-shirts and other goodies, as well. See [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh|the Pittsburgh meetup page]] for more details. I hope to see you there!--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==WikiXDC: Wikipedia 10th Birthday!==<br />
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You are invited to '''[[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]]''', a special meetup event and celebration on Saturday, January 22 hosted by the [[National Archives and Records Administration]] in downtown Washington, D.C.<br />
* '''Date:''' January 22, 2011 (tentatively 9:30 AM - 5 PM)<br />
* '''Location:''' [[w:National Archives and Records Administration|National Archives and Records Administration]] (NARA), downtown building, Pennsylvania Avenue & 7th St NW.<br />
* '''Description:''' There will be a behind-the-scenes tour of the National Archives and you will learn more about what NARA does. We will also have a mini-film screening featuring [[Wikipedia:WikiProject FedFlix|FedFlix]] videos along with a special message from [[Jimmy Wales]]. In the afternoon, there will be lightning talks by Wikimedians ([[:tenwiki:Washington_DC#Lightning_talks|signup to speak]]), wiki-trivia, and cupcakes to celebrate!<br />
* '''Details & RSVP: ''' Details about the event are on our Washington, DC [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|tenwiki page]].<br />
Please '''[[:tenwiki:Washington_DC#RSVP|RSVP]]''' soon as possible, as there likely will be a cap on number of attendees that NARA can accommodate.<br />
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==Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!==<br />
# At [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]] in January, [[User:Harej]] proposed that DC submit a bid to host [[:meta:Wikimania 2012|Wikimania 2012]]. A bid and organizing committee is being formed and seeks additional volunteers to help. Please look at our [[:meta:Wikimania 2012/Bids/Washington, D.C.|bid page]] and sign up if you want to help out. You can also signup for the bid team's [http://groups.google.com/group/wikimania-dc-bid email list].<br />
# To support the Wikimania bid, more events like WikiXDC, and outreach activities like collaborations with the [[WP:GLAM/SI|Smithsonian]] (ongoing) and National Archives, there also has been discussion of forming Wikimedia DC, as an official Wikimedia chapter. You can express interest and contribute to chapter discussions on the [[:meta:Wikimedia DC|Wikimedia DC]] Meta-Wiki pages.<br />
# To discuss all this and meet up with special guest, Dutch Wikipedian [[User:Kim Bruning]], there will be a meetup, [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 16]] this Tuesday at 7pm, at Capitol City Brewery, Metro Center. There will be a pre-meetup Wikimania team meeting at 6pm at the same location. <br />
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Apologies for the short notice for this meetup, but [[Wikipedia talk:Meetup/DC 17|let's discuss]] when, where & what for DC Meetup #17. Also, if you haven't yet, please join [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-dc/ wikimedia-dc] mailing list to stay informed. Cheers, [[User:Aude]] ([[User talk:Aude|talk]])<br />
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==DC Meetup: May 7 @ Tenleytown Library==<br />
The next DC Wikimedia meetup is scheduled for Saturday, May 7, 3:30-5:30 pm at the Tenleytown Library (adjacent to the Tenleytown Metro Station, Red Line), followed by dinner & socializing at some nearby place. <br />
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This is the first official meeting of our proposed Wikimedia DC chapter, with discussion of bylaws and next steps. Other agenda items include, update everyone on our successful Wikimania bid and next steps in the planning process, discuss upcoming activities that we want to do over the summer and fall, and more.<br />
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We're so glad you're here! [[User:Jorcoga|Jorcoga]] 13:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== WikiProject Narnia ==<br />
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Hello, I noticed that you edited an article related to, or expressed interest in ''[[The Chronicles of Narnia]]''. I thought you may be interested in knowing that there is a [[WP:PJ|WikiProject]] working to improve articles about Narnia, your help would be greatly appreciated. Please consider joining the [[WP:WPNAR|WikiProject Narnia]]. Thank you! [[User:Bornagain4|Bornagain4]] 03:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimedia Pennsylvania==<br />
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I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: [[m:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|Wikimedia Pennsylvania]]. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:<br />
* Contact us on IRC at [irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikimedia-pa <tt>#wikimedia-pa</tt>]<br />
* Join our [http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapa-l mailing list]<br />
* Visit our blog at http://wmfpa.blogspot.com<br />
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==Language in articles==<br />
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Please observe the language used in articles before you edit them. Your 'corrections' to [[Thuggee]] were in fact in error, given that it is written in (Indian/British) English. &mdash; [[User:Yama|Yama]] 07:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Please do not change spelling in articles from one variety of English to another without good reason. See [[WP:ENGVAR#National varieties of English]] [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 23:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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You've been asked before not to change between English variants in articles without good reason. Your recent change to [[Caesarean section]] did just that. It would be great if you could read the links that editors have left before me on this exact topic. [[User:Chovain|Mark]] [[User talk:Chovain|Chovain]] 03:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Vandalism ==<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
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Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==deletion discussions==<br />
Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt WikiProject==<br />
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As a current or past contributor to a [[University of Pittsburgh|Pitt]]-[[:Category:University of Pittsburgh|related]] article, I thought I'd let you know about '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pittsburgh|WikiProject University of Pittsburgh]]''', a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the [[University of Pittsburgh]] and the [[Pittsburgh Panthers|Pitt Panthers]]. If you would like to participate, you can visit [[Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pittsburgh|the project page]], where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! [[User:Addbot|Addbot]] ([[User talk:Addbot|talk]]) 19:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A pitt student, fantasy fan, eagle scout, German speaker... if you juggled, I'd say you just took my spot at Pitt when I graduated. [[User:Lyellin|Lyellin]] ([[User talk:Lyellin|talk]]) 01:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == <br />
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Please note that there is a DC Meetup planned for May 17th at 5:00 p.m., though a place has not yet been set. You're receiving this notice because you posted to the page for the prior meetup - [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] - but haven't indicated whether or not you're interested in attending this one. (Apologies if in fact you have.) [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 01:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt Wikiproject News==<br />
There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==AfD nomination of Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)==<br />
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]I have nominated [[Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]], an article you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <!-- Template:AFDWarning --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
You may be interested in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pittsburgh#Possibility_of_Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art_at_the_Carnegie_Museums_of_Pittsburgh|this]]. Hope to see you there! --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 05:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Ballin! [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound#top|talk]]) 16:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] revival==<br />
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Hello. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] is being revived. Since you are listed as a participant [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama/List of participants|here]], you have received this message to make sure you still are. If you like to help update the WikiProject, please discuss [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Futurama#Revival|here]]. Hopefully you can stay with us and continue to work on Futurama-related articles. [[User:GamerPro64|GamerPro64]] ([[User talk:GamerPro64|talk]]) <small>delivered by [[User:MuZebot|MuZebot]]</small> 06:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup, October 23 ==<br />
You are invited to Wikipedia '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|DC Meetup #12]]''' on Saturday, October 23, 6pm at Bertucci's in Foggy Bottom. Special guests at this meetup will include Wikimedia CTO [[Danese Cooper]], other Wikimedia technical staff and volunteer developers who will be in DC for [[:mw:Hack-A-Ton DC|Hack-A-Ton DC]]. Please RSVP on the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|meetup page]].<br />
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== Pittsburgh event for Wikipedia's tenth anniversary ==<br />
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Hi! Since you're a member of WikiProject Pittsburgh, I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary celebrations we're having in Pittsburgh on Saturday, January 15. During the daytime, we're going to be having a photo contribution drive where anyone can bring in their digital photos or prints and Wikipedians will teach people how to upload them and add them to articles, and maybe introduction to Wikipedia workshops as well. Then in the evening, we'll have fun at the Carson City Saloon. There will be free Wikipedia t-shirts and other goodies, as well. See [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh|the Pittsburgh meetup page]] for more details. I hope to see you there!--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==WikiXDC: Wikipedia 10th Birthday!==<br />
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You are invited to '''[[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]]''', a special meetup event and celebration on Saturday, January 22 hosted by the [[National Archives and Records Administration]] in downtown Washington, D.C.<br />
* '''Date:''' January 22, 2011 (tentatively 9:30 AM - 5 PM)<br />
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* '''Description:''' There will be a behind-the-scenes tour of the National Archives and you will learn more about what NARA does. We will also have a mini-film screening featuring [[Wikipedia:WikiProject FedFlix|FedFlix]] videos along with a special message from [[Jimmy Wales]]. In the afternoon, there will be lightning talks by Wikimedians ([[:tenwiki:Washington_DC#Lightning_talks|signup to speak]]), wiki-trivia, and cupcakes to celebrate!<br />
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==Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!==<br />
# At [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]] in January, [[User:Harej]] proposed that DC submit a bid to host [[:meta:Wikimania 2012|Wikimania 2012]]. A bid and organizing committee is being formed and seeks additional volunteers to help. Please look at our [[:meta:Wikimania 2012/Bids/Washington, D.C.|bid page]] and sign up if you want to help out. You can also signup for the bid team's [http://groups.google.com/group/wikimania-dc-bid email list].<br />
# To support the Wikimania bid, more events like WikiXDC, and outreach activities like collaborations with the [[WP:GLAM/SI|Smithsonian]] (ongoing) and National Archives, there also has been discussion of forming Wikimedia DC, as an official Wikimedia chapter. You can express interest and contribute to chapter discussions on the [[:meta:Wikimedia DC|Wikimedia DC]] Meta-Wiki pages.<br />
# To discuss all this and meet up with special guest, Dutch Wikipedian [[User:Kim Bruning]], there will be a meetup, [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 16]] this Tuesday at 7pm, at Capitol City Brewery, Metro Center. There will be a pre-meetup Wikimania team meeting at 6pm at the same location. <br />
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Apologies for the short notice for this meetup, but [[Wikipedia talk:Meetup/DC 17|let's discuss]] when, where & what for DC Meetup #17. Also, if you haven't yet, please join [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-dc/ wikimedia-dc] mailing list to stay informed. Cheers, [[User:Aude]] ([[User talk:Aude|talk]])<br />
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==DC Meetup: May 7 @ Tenleytown Library==<br />
The next DC Wikimedia meetup is scheduled for Saturday, May 7, 3:30-5:30 pm at the Tenleytown Library (adjacent to the Tenleytown Metro Station, Red Line), followed by dinner & socializing at some nearby place. <br />
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We're so glad you're here! [[User:Jorcoga|Jorcoga]] 13:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== WikiProject Narnia ==<br />
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Hello, I noticed that you edited an article related to, or expressed interest in ''[[The Chronicles of Narnia]]''. I thought you may be interested in knowing that there is a [[WP:PJ|WikiProject]] working to improve articles about Narnia, your help would be greatly appreciated. Please consider joining the [[WP:WPNAR|WikiProject Narnia]]. Thank you! [[User:Bornagain4|Bornagain4]] 03:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimedia Pennsylvania==<br />
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I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: [[m:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|Wikimedia Pennsylvania]]. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:<br />
* Contact us on IRC at [irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikimedia-pa <tt>#wikimedia-pa</tt>]<br />
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==Language in articles==<br />
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Please observe the language used in articles before you edit them. Your 'corrections' to [[Thuggee]] were in fact in error, given that it is written in (Indian/British) English. &mdash; [[User:Yama|Yama]] 07:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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You've been asked before not to change between English variants in articles without good reason. Your recent change to [[Caesarean section]] did just that. It would be great if you could read the links that editors have left before me on this exact topic. [[User:Chovain|Mark]] [[User talk:Chovain|Chovain]] 03:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Vandalism ==<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
==Xbox Live userbox==<br />
Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
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Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt deletion==<br />
A Pitt related page, [[Oakland Zoo (cheering section)]], has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are important. Please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oakland Zoo (cheering section)]] and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).<br />
You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 06:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt WikiProject==<br />
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As a current or past contributor to a [[University of Pittsburgh|Pitt]]-[[:Category:University of Pittsburgh|related]] article, I thought I'd let you know about '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pittsburgh|WikiProject University of Pittsburgh]]''', a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the [[University of Pittsburgh]] and the [[Pittsburgh Panthers|Pitt Panthers]]. If you would like to participate, you can visit [[Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pittsburgh|the project page]], where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! [[User:Addbot|Addbot]] ([[User talk:Addbot|talk]]) 19:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A pitt student, fantasy fan, eagle scout, German speaker... if you juggled, I'd say you just took my spot at Pitt when I graduated. [[User:Lyellin|Lyellin]] ([[User talk:Lyellin|talk]]) 01:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == <br />
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Please note that there is a DC Meetup planned for May 17th at 5:00 p.m., though a place has not yet been set. You're receiving this notice because you posted to the page for the prior meetup - [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] - but haven't indicated whether or not you're interested in attending this one. (Apologies if in fact you have.) [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 01:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt Wikiproject News==<br />
There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==AfD nomination of Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)==<br />
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]I have nominated [[Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]], an article you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <!-- Template:AFDWarning --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
You may be interested in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pittsburgh#Possibility_of_Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art_at_the_Carnegie_Museums_of_Pittsburgh|this]]. Hope to see you there! --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 05:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Ballin! [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound#top|talk]]) 16:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] revival==<br />
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Hello. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] is being revived. Since you are listed as a participant [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama/List of participants|here]], you have received this message to make sure you still are. If you like to help update the WikiProject, please discuss [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Futurama#Revival|here]]. Hopefully you can stay with us and continue to work on Futurama-related articles. [[User:GamerPro64|GamerPro64]] ([[User talk:GamerPro64|talk]]) <small>delivered by [[User:MuZebot|MuZebot]]</small> 06:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup, October 23 ==<br />
You are invited to Wikipedia '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|DC Meetup #12]]''' on Saturday, October 23, 6pm at Bertucci's in Foggy Bottom. Special guests at this meetup will include Wikimedia CTO [[Danese Cooper]], other Wikimedia technical staff and volunteer developers who will be in DC for [[:mw:Hack-A-Ton DC|Hack-A-Ton DC]]. Please RSVP on the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_12|meetup page]].<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup 13 ==<br />
You are invited to Wikipedia '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_13|DC Meetup #13]]''' on Wednesday, November 17, from 7 to 9 pm, location to be determined (but near a Metro station in DC). <br />
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== WikiProject Pittsburgh ==<br />
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== Pittsburgh event for Wikipedia's tenth anniversary ==<br />
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Hi! Since you're a member of WikiProject Pittsburgh, I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary celebrations we're having in Pittsburgh on Saturday, January 15. During the daytime, we're going to be having a photo contribution drive where anyone can bring in their digital photos or prints and Wikipedians will teach people how to upload them and add them to articles, and maybe introduction to Wikipedia workshops as well. Then in the evening, we'll have fun at the Carson City Saloon. There will be free Wikipedia t-shirts and other goodies, as well. See [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh|the Pittsburgh meetup page]] for more details. I hope to see you there!--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==WikiXDC: Wikipedia 10th Birthday!==<br />
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You are invited to '''[[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]]''', a special meetup event and celebration on Saturday, January 22 hosted by the [[National Archives and Records Administration]] in downtown Washington, D.C.<br />
* '''Date:''' January 22, 2011 (tentatively 9:30 AM - 5 PM)<br />
* '''Location:''' [[w:National Archives and Records Administration|National Archives and Records Administration]] (NARA), downtown building, Pennsylvania Avenue & 7th St NW.<br />
* '''Description:''' There will be a behind-the-scenes tour of the National Archives and you will learn more about what NARA does. We will also have a mini-film screening featuring [[Wikipedia:WikiProject FedFlix|FedFlix]] videos along with a special message from [[Jimmy Wales]]. In the afternoon, there will be lightning talks by Wikimedians ([[:tenwiki:Washington_DC#Lightning_talks|signup to speak]]), wiki-trivia, and cupcakes to celebrate!<br />
* '''Details & RSVP: ''' Details about the event are on our Washington, DC [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|tenwiki page]].<br />
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==Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!==<br />
# At [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]] in January, [[User:Harej]] proposed that DC submit a bid to host [[:meta:Wikimania 2012|Wikimania 2012]]. A bid and organizing committee is being formed and seeks additional volunteers to help. Please look at our [[:meta:Wikimania 2012/Bids/Washington, D.C.|bid page]] and sign up if you want to help out. You can also signup for the bid team's [http://groups.google.com/group/wikimania-dc-bid email list].<br />
# To support the Wikimania bid, more events like WikiXDC, and outreach activities like collaborations with the [[WP:GLAM/SI|Smithsonian]] (ongoing) and National Archives, there also has been discussion of forming Wikimedia DC, as an official Wikimedia chapter. You can express interest and contribute to chapter discussions on the [[:meta:Wikimedia DC|Wikimedia DC]] Meta-Wiki pages.<br />
# To discuss all this and meet up with special guest, Dutch Wikipedian [[User:Kim Bruning]], there will be a meetup, [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 16]] this Tuesday at 7pm, at Capitol City Brewery, Metro Center. There will be a pre-meetup Wikimania team meeting at 6pm at the same location. <br />
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Apologies for the short notice for this meetup, but [[Wikipedia talk:Meetup/DC 17|let's discuss]] when, where & what for DC Meetup #17. Also, if you haven't yet, please join [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-dc/ wikimedia-dc] mailing list to stay informed. Cheers, [[User:Aude]] ([[User talk:Aude|talk]])<br />
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==DC Meetup: May 7 @ Tenleytown Library==<br />
The next DC Wikimedia meetup is scheduled for Saturday, May 7, 3:30-5:30 pm at the Tenleytown Library (adjacent to the Tenleytown Metro Station, Red Line), followed by dinner & socializing at some nearby place. <br />
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This is the first official meeting of our proposed Wikimedia DC chapter, with discussion of bylaws and next steps. Other agenda items include, update everyone on our successful Wikimania bid and next steps in the planning process, discuss upcoming activities that we want to do over the summer and fall, and more.<br />
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We're so glad you're here! [[User:Jorcoga|Jorcoga]] 13:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== WikiProject Narnia ==<br />
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Hello, I noticed that you edited an article related to, or expressed interest in ''[[The Chronicles of Narnia]]''. I thought you may be interested in knowing that there is a [[WP:PJ|WikiProject]] working to improve articles about Narnia, your help would be greatly appreciated. Please consider joining the [[WP:WPNAR|WikiProject Narnia]]. Thank you! [[User:Bornagain4|Bornagain4]] 03:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimedia Pennsylvania==<br />
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I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: [[m:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|Wikimedia Pennsylvania]]. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:<br />
* Contact us on IRC at [irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikimedia-pa <tt>#wikimedia-pa</tt>]<br />
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==Language in articles==<br />
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Please observe the language used in articles before you edit them. Your 'corrections' to [[Thuggee]] were in fact in error, given that it is written in (Indian/British) English. &mdash; [[User:Yama|Yama]] 07:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Please do not change spelling in articles from one variety of English to another without good reason. See [[WP:ENGVAR#National varieties of English]] [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 23:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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You've been asked before not to change between English variants in articles without good reason. Your recent change to [[Caesarean section]] did just that. It would be great if you could read the links that editors have left before me on this exact topic. [[User:Chovain|Mark]] [[User talk:Chovain|Chovain]] 03:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Vandalism ==<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
==Horseshoe Scout Reservation==<br />
Please stop adding [[cruft]] to [[Horseshoe Scout Reservation]]. The poor quality of most camp articles is what leads them to the fate of [[Camp Raymond (BSA)]]. --[[User:evrik|evrik]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:evrik|talk]])</sup> 23:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
*the information may be accurate, but it's fluff, and this is why camp articles get nominated for deletion. See [[Wikipedia:SCOUTMOS#Non-national articles]]. --[[User:evrik|evrik]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:evrik|talk]])</sup> 02:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Xbox Live userbox==<br />
Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
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Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt deletion==<br />
A Pitt related page, [[Oakland Zoo (cheering section)]], has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are important. Please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oakland Zoo (cheering section)]] and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).<br />
You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 06:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==deletion discussions==<br />
Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt WikiProject==<br />
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As a current or past contributor to a [[University of Pittsburgh|Pitt]]-[[:Category:University of Pittsburgh|related]] article, I thought I'd let you know about '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pittsburgh|WikiProject University of Pittsburgh]]''', a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the [[University of Pittsburgh]] and the [[Pittsburgh Panthers|Pitt Panthers]]. If you would like to participate, you can visit [[Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pittsburgh|the project page]], where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! [[User:Addbot|Addbot]] ([[User talk:Addbot|talk]]) 19:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A pitt student, fantasy fan, eagle scout, German speaker... if you juggled, I'd say you just took my spot at Pitt when I graduated. [[User:Lyellin|Lyellin]] ([[User talk:Lyellin|talk]]) 01:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == <br />
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Please note that there is a DC Meetup planned for May 17th at 5:00 p.m., though a place has not yet been set. You're receiving this notice because you posted to the page for the prior meetup - [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] - but haven't indicated whether or not you're interested in attending this one. (Apologies if in fact you have.) [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 01:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt Wikiproject News==<br />
There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==AfD nomination of Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)==<br />
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]I have nominated [[Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]], an article you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <!-- Template:AFDWarning --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
You may be interested in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pittsburgh#Possibility_of_Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art_at_the_Carnegie_Museums_of_Pittsburgh|this]]. Hope to see you there! --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 05:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] revival==<br />
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== Pittsburgh event for Wikipedia's tenth anniversary ==<br />
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Hi! Since you're a member of WikiProject Pittsburgh, I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary celebrations we're having in Pittsburgh on Saturday, January 15. During the daytime, we're going to be having a photo contribution drive where anyone can bring in their digital photos or prints and Wikipedians will teach people how to upload them and add them to articles, and maybe introduction to Wikipedia workshops as well. Then in the evening, we'll have fun at the Carson City Saloon. There will be free Wikipedia t-shirts and other goodies, as well. See [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh|the Pittsburgh meetup page]] for more details. I hope to see you there!--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!==<br />
# At [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]] in January, [[User:Harej]] proposed that DC submit a bid to host [[:meta:Wikimania 2012|Wikimania 2012]]. A bid and organizing committee is being formed and seeks additional volunteers to help. Please look at our [[:meta:Wikimania 2012/Bids/Washington, D.C.|bid page]] and sign up if you want to help out. You can also signup for the bid team's [http://groups.google.com/group/wikimania-dc-bid email list].<br />
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# To discuss all this and meet up with special guest, Dutch Wikipedian [[User:Kim Bruning]], there will be a meetup, [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 16]] this Tuesday at 7pm, at Capitol City Brewery, Metro Center. There will be a pre-meetup Wikimania team meeting at 6pm at the same location. <br />
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==DC Meetup: May 7 @ Tenleytown Library==<br />
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== WikiProject Narnia ==<br />
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Hello, I noticed that you edited an article related to, or expressed interest in ''[[The Chronicles of Narnia]]''. I thought you may be interested in knowing that there is a [[WP:PJ|WikiProject]] working to improve articles about Narnia, your help would be greatly appreciated. Please consider joining the [[WP:WPNAR|WikiProject Narnia]]. Thank you! [[User:Bornagain4|Bornagain4]] 03:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Edits regarding [[Great Valley High School]] ==<br />
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Hello, Superbowlbound. When making edits to an article, especially with criticism such as yours, a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] is needed. If you can find a reliable source that backs up the information your saying, please feel free to take away the citation needed tag. [[User:Hello32020|Hello32020]] 02:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Umm, its been in our school newspaper. Its not online. You know not all sources that are realiable are also virtual.<br />
::To be reliable, it also has to be accessible over time. This doesn't necessarily mean online, but in all probability your school doesn't keep excellent archives of school newspapers. You would at least have to cite the name of the paper, edition, etc. --[[User:Autocracy|<span style="background:darkblue; color:white">'''Auto'''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Autocracy|<span style="background:#B0C4DE; color:black">''talk''</span>]] / [[Special:Contributions/Autocracy|<span style="background:#B0C4DE; color:black">''contribs''</span>]])</sup> 02:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, first see [[WP:RS]], and second let me give you this standard: if I can contact your school and get a copy of this paper to read myself, then it's probably reliable enough. Part of the point is somebody else has to be able to check it. --[[User:Autocracy|<span style="background:darkblue; color:white">'''Auto'''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Autocracy|<span style="background:#B0C4DE; color:black">''talk''</span>]] / [[Special:Contributions/Autocracy|<span style="background:#B0C4DE; color:black">''contribs''</span>]])</sup> 03:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://www.gvsd.org/gvhs/surveyor/oct-nov2006.pdf] page 11 there are two things. Proved you wrong. And there is another article not on there. Any other questions, ask first.<br />
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::::If you're going to add that kind of criticism, you don't leave it unsourced, and you don't just point to a source and say "it's in there" without citing it properly yourself. Also, no single editor assumes authority on a subject to the point where they ask edits to go through them. It doesn't work like that. -- '''[[User:Shoejar|Shoejar]]'''<sup>''[[User talk:Shoejar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shoejar|edits]]''</sup> <small>03:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
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==Wikimedia Pennsylvania==<br />
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I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: [[m:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|Wikimedia Pennsylvania]]. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:<br />
* Contact us on IRC at [irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikimedia-pa <tt>#wikimedia-pa</tt>]<br />
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==Language in articles==<br />
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Please observe the language used in articles before you edit them. Your 'corrections' to [[Thuggee]] were in fact in error, given that it is written in (Indian/British) English. &mdash; [[User:Yama|Yama]] 07:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Please do not change spelling in articles from one variety of English to another without good reason. See [[WP:ENGVAR#National varieties of English]] [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 23:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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You've been asked before not to change between English variants in articles without good reason. Your recent change to [[Caesarean section]] did just that. It would be great if you could read the links that editors have left before me on this exact topic. [[User:Chovain|Mark]] [[User talk:Chovain|Chovain]] 03:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Vandalism ==<br />
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Of course, be bold and revert it. But if it's just one or two ips or such, warn them about the vandalism on their talk pages. If they continue, report them at [[WP:AIV]]. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pittsburgh meetups ==<br />
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On [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] you ask about Pittsburgh meetups. It doesn't seem to be very active at the moment, but there is a [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh]] page, so that would be a good page to add to your watchlist, and/or write to. [[User:Kingdon|Kingdon]] ([[User talk:Kingdon|talk]]) 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
==Horseshoe Scout Reservation==<br />
Please stop adding [[cruft]] to [[Horseshoe Scout Reservation]]. The poor quality of most camp articles is what leads them to the fate of [[Camp Raymond (BSA)]]. --[[User:evrik|evrik]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:evrik|talk]])</sup> 23:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
*the information may be accurate, but it's fluff, and this is why camp articles get nominated for deletion. See [[Wikipedia:SCOUTMOS#Non-national articles]]. --[[User:evrik|evrik]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:evrik|talk]])</sup> 02:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Xbox Live userbox==<br />
Hi, I recently made some modifications to [[User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live]] and when I attempted to modify your userbox to make it render correctly with the new format, the website the gamertag now links to says that the gamertag you listed does not exist. You may want to check out the userbox to see if your gamertag is spelled correctly. Cheers. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== DC Meetup on May 17th ==<br />
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Your help is needed in planning [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]]! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] ([[User talk:The Placebo Effect|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt deletion==<br />
A Pitt related page, [[Oakland Zoo (cheering section)]], has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are important. Please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oakland Zoo (cheering section)]] and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).<br />
You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 06:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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A pitt student, fantasy fan, eagle scout, German speaker... if you juggled, I'd say you just took my spot at Pitt when I graduated. [[User:Lyellin|Lyellin]] ([[User talk:Lyellin|talk]]) 01:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4]] == <br />
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Please note that there is a DC Meetup planned for May 17th at 5:00 p.m., though a place has not yet been set. You're receiving this notice because you posted to the page for the prior meetup - [[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 3]] - but haven't indicated whether or not you're interested in attending this one. (Apologies if in fact you have.) [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 01:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Pitt Wikiproject News==<br />
There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==AfD nomination of Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)==<br />
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]I have nominated [[Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]], an article you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Saviour (Wayne, Pennsylvania)]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <!-- Template:AFDWarning --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw --> [[User:Alphageekpa|Alphageekpa]] ([[User talk:Alphageekpa|talk]]) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possibility of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh ==<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Futurama|WikiProject Futurama]] revival==<br />
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== Wikipedia DC Meetup, October 23 ==<br />
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== Pittsburgh event for Wikipedia's tenth anniversary ==<br />
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Hi! Since you're a member of WikiProject Pittsburgh, I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary celebrations we're having in Pittsburgh on Saturday, January 15. During the daytime, we're going to be having a photo contribution drive where anyone can bring in their digital photos or prints and Wikipedians will teach people how to upload them and add them to articles, and maybe introduction to Wikipedia workshops as well. Then in the evening, we'll have fun at the Carson City Saloon. There will be free Wikipedia t-shirts and other goodies, as well. See [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh|the Pittsburgh meetup page]] for more details. I hope to see you there!--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 14:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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# At [[:tenwiki:Washington_DC|WikiXDC]] in January, [[User:Harej]] proposed that DC submit a bid to host [[:meta:Wikimania 2012|Wikimania 2012]]. A bid and organizing committee is being formed and seeks additional volunteers to help. Please look at our [[:meta:Wikimania 2012/Bids/Washington, D.C.|bid page]] and sign up if you want to help out. You can also signup for the bid team's [http://groups.google.com/group/wikimania-dc-bid email list].<br />
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|developer=[[Twisted Pixel Games]]<br />
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'''''Ms. Splosion Man''''' is a [[video game]] in development by [[Twisted Pixel Games]], and is slated for release on Xbox 360 Q3/Q4 2011. It is the sequel to {{vgy|2009}}'s ''[['Splosion Man]]''.<br />
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''Ms. Splosion Man'' shares much of the same gameplay with its predecessor, ''[['Splosion Man]]''.<ref name="interview" /> The character is made entirely of explosive material.<ref name="thegame">{{cite video game | title='Splosion Man | developer=Twisted Pixel Games |publisher=Microsoft Game Studios | date=2009-07-22}}</ref> The aim of the game is to "splode" through a series of levels consisting of puzzles, traps, and enemies to escape the facility.<ref name="xplay handson">{{Cite web |url=http://g4tv.com/videos/39199/splosion-man-hands-on-preview/ |title=Splosion Man Hands On Preview |first=Adam |last=Sessler |publisher=[[G4TV]] |accessdate=2010-10-15 |date=2009-06-15}}</ref> A splode is effectively a jump, and can also be used to kill enemies, such as scientists and robots, demolish walls, detonate explosive barrels or trigger other effects.<ref name="xplay handson" /><br />
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Various new gameplay elements have been added to ''Ms. Splosion Man''. The protagonist can now ride along hanging rails to avoid hazards. Also new to the game are directional cannons that can project the character to wherever the player specifies. Unlike the previous game, ''Ms. Splosion Man'' allows the character to exit the laboratory in which they were created. Several levels in the game are set in the outside world.<ref name="gamespot GCC2011 walkthrough">{{Cite web |url=http://www.gamespot.com/events/gdc2011/video.html?sid=6301173&pid=614978 |title=Ms. 'Splosion Man Demo (Xbox 360) |first=Michael |last=Wilford |date=2011-03-01 |accessdate=2011-03-02 |publisher=[[GameSpot]]}}</ref> When played cooperatively with two players, one player will control Ms. Splosion Man and the other will control Splosion Man. Puzzles will require both players to work together to solve them.<ref name="varietyhour1">{{Cite web |publisher=[[Media Cows]] via [[YouTube]] |accessdate=2011-03-17 |date=2011-03-16 |title=Twisted Pixel Panel - Part 1 (PAX East 2011) |url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvMp7otAZIA}}</ref><br />
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The game is set immediately following [['Splosion Man]]. The character 'Splosion Man is finally captured by Big Science. As the scientists celebrate in their lab, one scientist accidentally spills a bottle of liquid onto some electrical wiring. This causes a surge of energy to flow to a nearby experimentation platform where a yellow bow is falling. As the bow touches the platform the surge of energy is released, and Ms. Splosion Man is created.<ref name="announce" /><br />
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''Ms. Splosion Man'' was announced December 3, 2010 via a press release and teaser trailer.<ref name="announce">{{Cite web |url=http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/03/ms-splosion-man/ |title=Ms. Splosion Man makes her debut, sploding 'fall of 2011' |publisher=[[Joystiq]] |date=2010-12-03 |accessdate=2010-12-03 |first=Christopher |last=Grant}}</ref> "I think with Splosion Man a follow up was something we really wanted to do, and that is why you never saw DLC for that game. We could have churned out new levels, but we wouldn't have had the time to add in new gameplay puzzles or cool new character stuff. But we didn't just want to do Splosion Man 2, it had to be something a little more interesting. That is why we decided to do ''MSM''," stated Josh Bear of Twisted Pixel games.<ref name="interview">{{Cite web |url=http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/03/twisted-pixels-josh-bear-on-giving-ms-splosion-man-more-than-j/B |title=Twisted Pixel's Josh Bear on giving Ms. Splosion Man more than just a bow |publisher=Joystiq |date=2010-12-03 |accessdate=2010-12-03 |first=Ben |last=Gilbert}}</ref> The team chose a female variation on 'Splosion Man as an homage to ''[[Ms. Pac-Man]]'', which, according to Bear, the game pays homage to.<ref name="interview" /> Bear continued by explaining that as ''Ms. Pac-Man'' was an improvement on ''[[Pac-Man]]'' so ''Ms. Splosion Man'' is meant to be an advancement on ''{{'}}Splosion Man''. He stated the goal was to ensure that the game "stands out on its own as a much bigger and better game overall, not to be confused as an over-priced DLC pack which I think a lot of retail "sequels" can be a lot of the time."<ref name="interview" /> The game runs on Twisted Pixel's BEARD engine, which has been used to power all of their titles.<ref name="interview" /><br />
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| director = [[Rob Reiner]]<br />
| producer = [[Frank Capra III]]<br />Tammy Glover<br />Jessie Nelson<br />[[Rob Reiner]]<br />Jeffrey Stott<br />[[Alan Zweibel]]<br />
| writer = Alan Zweibel<br />Jessie Nelson<br />
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| starring = [[Bruce Willis]]<br />[[Michelle Pfeiffer]]<br />
| music = [[Eric Clapton]]<br />[[Marc Shaiman]]<br />
| cinematography = [[Michael Chapman (cinematographer)|Michael Chapman]]<br />
| editing = Alan Edward Bell<br />[[Robert Leighton (film editor)|Robert Leighton]]<br />
| studio = [[Castle Rock Entertainment]]<br />
| distributor = [[Universal Studios]] (USA)<br>[[Warner Bros.]] (non-USA)<br />
| released = October 15, 1999<br />
| runtime = 95 minutes<br />
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Ben Jordan ([[Bruce Willis]]) and his wife Katie ([[Michelle Pfeiffer]]) have been married for fifteen years; they have two children, Erin ([[Colleen Rennison]]) and Josh ([[Jake Sandvig]]), a nice home and a comfortable life. Their happy marriage, however, is a sham—a performance they deliver daily for the benefit of their children, while behind the scenes they cannot stand each other anymore. Sending their kids off to summer camp, Ben and Katie commence a trial separation, during which both try and remember what it is about the other that caused them to fall in love in the first place.<br />
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*'''[[Jake Sandvig]]''' as ''Josh Jordan at Twelve''<br />
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*'''[[Rob Reiner]]''' as ''Stan''<br />
*'''[[Julie Hagerty]]''' as ''Liza''<br />
*'''[[Rita Wilson]]''' as ''Rachel''<br />
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*'''[[Victor Raider-Wexler]]''' as ''Dr. Hopkins''<br />
*'''[[Albert Hague]]''' as ''Dr. Siegler''<br />
*'''[[Jayne Meadows]]''' as ''Dot''<br />
*'''[[Tom Poston]]''' as ''Harry''<br />
*'''[[Betty White]]''' as ''Lillian Jordan''<br />
*'''[[Red Buttons]]''' as ''Arnie Jordan''<br />
*'''[[Paul Reiser]]''' as ''Dave, Ben's Literary Agent'' (uncredited)<br />
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''The Story of Us'' was the last full-length feature film appearance of [[Academy Award]]-winning actor [[Red Buttons]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160916/trivia |title=The Story of Us (1999) - Trivia |publisher=imdb.com |accessdate=2009-12-26}}</ref><br />
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''The Story of Us'' holds a rating of 28% on [[Rotten Tomatoes]],<ref>{{cite web|url=http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/story_of_us/ |title=The Story of Us Movie Reviews, Pictures |publisher=uk.rottentomatoes.com |accessdate=2009-12-26}}</ref> and a score of 37 on [[Metacritic]],<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-story-of-us |title=Story of Us, The |publisher=metacritic.com |accessdate=2009-12-26}}</ref> indicating generally unfavorable reviews.<br />
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In the ''[[New York Times]]'', [[Janet Maslin]] wrote: "''The Story of Us'' offers such an arthritic vision of middle-aged marriage that it feels like the first Jack Lemmon comedy made expressly for the baby boom generation. Perhaps that would explain the casting of Bruce Willis as a jokey but sensitive suburban Dad and Michelle Pfeiffer as his beleaguered spouse. The stars, variously directed by Rob Reiner to kid around, look wistful or scream so hard that their necks turn red, are not helped by the film's elbow-in-the-ribs humor or its overbearing tactics. Though it sets out to explain why this marriage is worth saving, ''The Story of Us'' could prompt even single members of the audience to file for divorce."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/101599story-film-review.html |first=Janet |last=Maslin |title='The Story of Us': Take My Husband, Please, Along With His Apron |publisher=nytimes.com |date=October 15, 1999}}</ref><br />
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In the ''[[Los Angeles Times]]'', [[Kenneth Turan]] wrote: "A wannabe sensitive film that's scared of cutting too deeply, ''The Story of Us'' doesn't want to be real enough to jeopardize its homogenized humor. While it's already hard to accept carefully photographed major stars like Willis and Pfeiffer as regular folks with everyday problems, it's even harder when both their fun and their fury seem slickly scripted. Not only don't we feel the Jordans' pain, it's not clear that we even want to... Pfeiffer and Willis acquit themselves as well as the script and direction allow, though Willis' romantic comedy timing does seem to have gotten rusty since his ''Moonlighting'' days. Their movie-stars-yelling-at-each-other relationship doesn't feel much more real than the happily married act they put on for their kids."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/reviews/cl-movie991014-18,0,1355381.story |first=Kenneth |last=Turan |title=The Story of Us - MOVIE REVIEW - Los Angeles Times |date=October 15, 1999}}</ref><br />
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In the ''[[Chicago Sun-Times]]'', [[Roger Ebert]] wrote: "Gene Siskel used to ask if a movie was as good as a documentary of the same actors having lunch. Watching ''The Story of Us'', I imagined a documentary of the marriage of, say, Bruce Willis and Demi Moore. I do not say that to score a cheap point, but because Moore and Willis are spirited and intelligent people who no doubt had interesting fights about real issues, and not insipid fights about sitcom issues... there is a restaurant scene in which Willis screams angrily in an unsuccessful (indeed, melancholy) attempt to rip off Meg Ryan's famous restaurant orgasm in Reiner's ''When Harry Met Sally...'' At the end of his tirade, Willis jumps up and tells Reiner what he can "shove up the tops of your legs!" Doesn't work, because (a) he's too angry to think up or stop for a punch line, (b) the line isn't funny, and (c) the setup wasn't funny, either, because the concept isn't funny. Oh, and the scene ends with Reiner doing a double-take directly into the camera. How many ways can one scene be mishandled? Who thought this movie would be entertaining? The same person who thinks we need more dialogue about why guys do the wrong thing with rolls of toilet paper. And who thinks the misery of this film can be repaired by a showboat monologue at the end that's well-delivered by Pfeiffer, but reads like an audition scene."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19991015/REVIEWS/910150303/1023 |first=Roger |last=Ebert |title=The Story of Us :: rogerebert.com :: Reviews |publisher=rogerebert.suntimes.com |date=October 15, 1999}}</ref><br />
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In the ''[[San Francisco Chronicle]]'', [[Mick LaSalle]] wrote: "Anyone so naive as to turn to Hollywood for a wise and honest statement about marriage deserves this film... One thing the movie accomplishes: It shows how arguments can flare up out of nowhere and become shouting matches. Pfeiffer and Willis are convincingly married in those moments... Reiner compounds dishonest writing with dishonest direction. Though Katie gushes to her husband within earshot of her kids, he never cuts to the children for their reactions. In fact, he tries to make us believe the kids didn't hear a thing. It's typical of ''The Story of Us'', which is not really about marriage. It's about Kodak moments."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1999/10/15/DD97176.DTL |first=Mick |last=LaSalle |title='Story' Should Have Ended in Quick Divorce / Willis, Pfeiffer star as separated couple |publisher=sfgate.com |date=October 15, 1999}}</ref><br />
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In the ''[[Washington Post]]'', Stephen Hunter wrote: "Willis seems particularly miscast. His tendencies toward smirkiness have been encouraged and sentimentalized. As for Pfeiffer, she spends so much time screaming at him for failing to fill the windshield wiper fluid container in the van that it's easy to forget she is one of the world's most beautiful women and gifted actresses. Michelle, enough with the mommy crap! Get a cocktail dress and a pair of very high-heeled Steve Maddens, and make us dream about you again."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/movies/reviews/storyofushunter.htm |first=Stephen |last=Hunter |title='The Story of Us' (R) |publisher=washingtonpost.com |date=October 15, 1999}}</ref><br />
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''[[Empire (magazine)|Empire]]'' wrote: "Essentially, it's ''When Sally Divorced Harry...'' as Bruce (playing Bruce) and Michelle (the whining wife) try a temporary separation, then proceed to dissect their marriage with the obligatory flashbacks (Bruce Willis with long hair getting the only laugh) and weakly written Nora Ephron-esque chats with witty pals (Bruce gets Reiner and Paul Reiser, Michelle gets Rita Wilson), which only serve to remind us how much better this would have been if Reiner had hired Ephron to write it."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/ReviewComplete.asp?FID=5903 |title=Review of The Story of Us |publisher=empireonline.com |accessdate=2009-12-26}}</ref><br />
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''[[Time Out (company)|Time Out]]'' wrote: "Time has steadily coarsened Reiner's once sure touch for frantic comedy, and although he neutralises the more sentimental elements of Alan Zweibel and Jessie Nelson's banal screenplay, his failure to flesh out or evoke sympathy for either character reduces the movie to an unedifying slanging match."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.timeout.com/film/reviews/75415/the_story_of_us.html |title=The Story of Us Review - Film - Time Out London |publisher=timeout.com |accessdate=2009-12-26}}</ref><br />
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==Awards and nominations==<br />
[[Colleen Rennison]] was nominated for a [[Young Artist Award]] for Best Performance in a Feature Film - Supporting Young Actress.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160916/awards |title=The Story of Us (1999) - Awards |publisher=imdb.com |accessdate=2009-12-26}}</ref><br />
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==Speedy Deletion==<br />
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I think this article qualifies for [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion]]. There are enough references on the page, but they all state the same thing. Thoughts? <font face="Cracked">[[User:Gabe19|<font color="Grey">'''Ga'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gabe19|<font color="Green">'''Be'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gabe19|<font color="Blue">'''19'''</font>]]</font> 23:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:October's quite a long time away, I think this article should be redirected to [[Taylor Swift]] until the album charts. [[User:MatthewWaller|MatthewWaller]] ([[User talk:MatthewWaller|talk]]) 19:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Edit request from Selenagomezayearwithoutrain101fan, 1 September 2010 ==<br />
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Taylor Swift has another song called "Permanent Marker" from Speak Now she confirmed it at a concert<br />
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<del>:If you provide a link to a reliable source, I will gladly add it for you.</del> <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 00:27, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Found significant coverage, added it. <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 00:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Another Song ==<br />
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Taylor also has another song called Dear John. Selena Gomez stated it in an interview. http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/573830/the-year-without-rain-will-be-a-feel-good-record.jhtml#id=1648116 <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Katief74|Katief74]] ([[User talk:Katief74|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Katief74|contribs]]) 16:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:Not in source given. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
Sorry it was in this one.<br />
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== Deluxe edition ==<br />
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there is a deluxe edition from asda. <br />
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"Speak Now" Debuts at #1 on iTunes<br />
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“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads. <br />
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“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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== Edit request from Abesam, 8 October 2010 ==<br />
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“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads. <br />
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“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads.<br />
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“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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[http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/81912/taylor-swift-tops-itunes-charts-with-speak-now Taylor Swift Tops iTunes Charts With 'Speak Now']<br />
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[[User:Abesam|Abesam]] ([[User talk:Abesam|talk]]) 16:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:{{ESp|?}} Please make a specific request, not just a copy-and-paste of quotes. Also, I would like to let you know that iTunes charts are [[WP:BADCHARTS]]. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Album early? Amazon ==<br />
<br />
i don't know why but Amazon shipped it to me yesterday (arrived today, I had release/1 day delivery). I am unsure if that was a mistake, but the point of the story is that is how I know the track lengths. I don't feel like adding anything else unless we are doing a hidden messages section. just a rundown (spoilers if you want to figure them out yourself)<br />
[[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 07:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Artwork ==<br />
Hi, I found a large version of the Deluxe Editon artwork (which I saw the original smaller version on HMV.com), so could someone who's good at the boxes edit it in please?<br />
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mupIVJbjvuU/TI_Kr_kXovI/AAAAAAAAG10/4b81W0uFo0M/s1600/Taylor+Swift+-+Speak+Now+%28Target+Deluxe+Edition%29+%28Official+Album+Cover%29.png<br />
[[User:Theog101|Theog101]] ([[User talk:Theog101|talk]]) 13:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's just a different color. Not needed. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 15:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Track listing ==<br />
{{Track listing<br />
| collapsed = no<br />
| headline = <br />
| extra_column = Hidden Message<br />
| title1 = [[Mine (song)|Mine]]<br />
| length1 = 3:50<br />
| extra1 = Toby<br />
| title2 = Sparks Fly<br />
| length2 = 4:20<br />
| extra2 = Portland Oregon<br />
| title3 = Back to December<br />
| length3 = 4:53<br />
| extra3 = Tay<br />
| title4 = [[Speak Now (song)|Speak Now]]<br />
| length4 = 4:00<br />
| extra4 = You Always regret what you don't say<br />
| title5 = Dear John<br />
| length5 = 6:43<br />
| extra5 = Loved you from the first day<br />
| title6 = Mean<br />
| length6 = 3:57<br />
| extra6 = I thought you got me<br />
| title7 = The Story of Us<br />
| length7 = 4:25<br />
| extra7 = CMT Awards<br />
| title8 = Never Grow Up<br />
| length8 = 4:50<br />
| extra8 = I moved out in July<br />
| title9 = Enchanted<br />
| length9 = 5:52<br />
| extra9 = Adam<br />
| title10 = Better than Revenge<br />
| length10 = 3:37<br />
| extra10 = You thought I would forget<br />
| title11 = Innocent<br />
| length11 = 5:02<br />
| extra11 = Life is full of little interruptions <br />
| title12 = Haunted<br />
| length12 = 4:02<br />
| extra12 = To this day<br />
| title13 = Last Kiss<br />
| length13 = 6:07<br />
| extra13 = Forever and Always<br />
| title14 = Long Live<br />
| length14 = 5:17<br />
| extra14 = For you<br />
}}<br />
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:: I don't know who posted this above, but I like the idea of it. Maybe we should use it in the article. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 15:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Trivial and doesn't take importance over writers or producers. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Seems as though, she and Nathan co-produced all the songs together, so it would be easier to just say it in the beginning. But, I don't know. I like the idea. And the way it is currently looks so messy. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 16:26, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:that was me by the way. Someone rearranged it [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 07:37, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
<br />
The album has been released an leaked. I know leaks don't need to be mentioned, but wouldn't that mean that it has been released somewhere? I could have sworn it was out in Ireland yesterday. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 16:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Nope. The Irish release date has changed. Leaks are very easy to do closer to the release date. In fact, CDs are probably being shipped to retailers as we speak. Anyone could grab ahold of a copy at this point. There was an interesting ''Billboard'' response about it. I'll give you the link if you want. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, I saw the Billboard link. I was just wondering because I could have sworn it was getting released eariler in Ireland, but as you said, it changed. Maybe I should just... go to the store, and maybe... grab a copy. >.> Haha. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 16:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or get a job at hmv. :P The Irish date was the twenty-second, but it changed a couple of days ago or something. I think they want to release it all at the same date, which makes sense, though the British and Irish have different rules than we on release dates. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I wish. They don't have HMV here. :( Yeah, they announced that before, I guess Ireland wanted it then, but they won't allow it. :P I wish things would all just come out Monday's. It would be so much easier. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 17:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Its possible it shipped early. Mine did from Amazon (as above). Unsure if it was a mistake, but this is not really notable unless it was a mass release AND there was a big deal about it. [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 07:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It was relased in ireland on the 22nd <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mollysof|Mollysof]] ([[User talk:Mollysof|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mollysof|contribs]]) 22:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:Source? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 22:26, 23 October 2010 (UTC)</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Speak_Now&diff=392557832Talk:Speak Now2010-10-24T07:37:35Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* Track listing */</p>
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{{Album|class=Future}}<br />
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==Speedy Deletion==<br />
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I think this article qualifies for [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion]]. There are enough references on the page, but they all state the same thing. Thoughts? <font face="Cracked">[[User:Gabe19|<font color="Grey">'''Ga'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gabe19|<font color="Green">'''Be'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gabe19|<font color="Blue">'''19'''</font>]]</font> 23:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:October's quite a long time away, I think this article should be redirected to [[Taylor Swift]] until the album charts. [[User:MatthewWaller|MatthewWaller]] ([[User talk:MatthewWaller|talk]]) 19:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Edit request from Selenagomezayearwithoutrain101fan, 1 September 2010 ==<br />
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Taylor Swift has another song called "Permanent Marker" from Speak Now she confirmed it at a concert<br />
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[[User:Selenagomezayearwithoutrain101fan|Isaiah]] ([[User talk:Selenagomezayearwithoutrain101fan|talk]]) 00:12, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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<del>:If you provide a link to a reliable source, I will gladly add it for you.</del> <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 00:27, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Found significant coverage, added it. <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 00:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Another Song ==<br />
<br />
Taylor also has another song called Dear John. Selena Gomez stated it in an interview. http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/573830/the-year-without-rain-will-be-a-feel-good-record.jhtml#id=1648116 <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Katief74|Katief74]] ([[User talk:Katief74|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Katief74|contribs]]) 16:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:Not in source given. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
Sorry it was in this one.<br />
http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/573833/selena-gomez-is-so-excited-for-taylor-swifts-record.jhtml#id=1648116 <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Katief74|Katief74]] ([[User talk:Katief74|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Katief74|contribs]]) 16:45, 18 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Deluxe edition ==<br />
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there is a deluxe edition from asda. <br />
<ref><br />
http://www.asda-entertainment.co.uk/cd/taylor-swift/speak-now-deluxe/10271059.html<br />
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</ref><br />
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== Edit request from 175.40.237.24, 8 October 2010 ==<br />
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UPDATE<br />
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"Speak Now" Debuts at #1 on iTunes<br />
by Taylor Swift on Friday, October 8, 2010 at 1:57am<br />
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“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads. <br />
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“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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[[Special:Contributions/175.40.237.24|175.40.237.24]] ([[User talk:175.40.237.24|talk]]) 13:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:{{ESp|?}} [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 13:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Edit request from Abesam, 8 October 2010 ==<br />
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{{EP|n}} We don't add info pertaining to iTunes / you provided no source. <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#4682B4;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#4682B4;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 14:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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RECENT UPDATE<br />
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"Speak Now" Debuts at #1 on iTunes<br />
by Taylor Swift on Friday, October 8, 2010 at 1:57am<br />
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“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads. <br />
<br />
“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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[[User:Abesam|Abesam]] ([[User talk:Abesam|talk]]) 13:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Edit request from Abesam, 8 October 2010 ==<br />
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{{tls|edit semi-protected}}<br />
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RECENT UPDATE<br />
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"Speak Now" Debuts at #1 on iTunes by Taylor Swift on Friday, October 8, 2010 at 1:57am<br />
<br />
“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads.<br />
<br />
“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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HERE IS THE LINK THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR<br />
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[http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/81912/taylor-swift-tops-itunes-charts-with-speak-now Taylor Swift Tops iTunes Charts With 'Speak Now']<br />
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[[User:Abesam|Abesam]] ([[User talk:Abesam|talk]]) 16:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:{{ESp|?}} Please make a specific request, not just a copy-and-paste of quotes. Also, I would like to let you know that iTunes charts are [[WP:BADCHARTS]]. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Album early? Amazon ==<br />
<br />
i don't know why but Amazon shipped it to me yesterday (arrived today, I had release/1 day delivery). I am unsure if that was a mistake, but the point of the story is that is how I know the track lengths. I don't feel like adding anything else unless we are doing a hidden messages section. just a rundown (spoilers if you want to figure them out yourself)<br />
[[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 07:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Artwork ==<br />
Hi, I found a large version of the Deluxe Editon artwork (which I saw the original smaller version on HMV.com), so could someone who's good at the boxes edit it in please?<br />
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mupIVJbjvuU/TI_Kr_kXovI/AAAAAAAAG10/4b81W0uFo0M/s1600/Taylor+Swift+-+Speak+Now+%28Target+Deluxe+Edition%29+%28Official+Album+Cover%29.png<br />
[[User:Theog101|Theog101]] ([[User talk:Theog101|talk]]) 13:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's just a different color. Not needed. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 15:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Track listing ==<br />
{{Track listing<br />
| collapsed = no<br />
| headline = <br />
| extra_column = Hidden Message<br />
| title1 = [[Mine (song)|Mine]]<br />
| length1 = 3:50<br />
| extra1 = Toby<br />
| title2 = Sparks Fly<br />
| length2 = 4:20<br />
| extra2 = Portland Oregon<br />
| title3 = Back to December<br />
| length3 = 4:53<br />
| extra3 = Tay<br />
| title4 = [[Speak Now (song)|Speak Now]]<br />
| length4 = 4:00<br />
| extra4 = You Always regret what you don't say<br />
| title5 = Dear John<br />
| length5 = 6:43<br />
| extra5 = Loved you from the first day<br />
| title6 = Mean<br />
| length6 = 3:57<br />
| extra6 = I thought you got me<br />
| title7 = The Story of Us<br />
| length7 = 4:25<br />
| extra7 = CMT Awards<br />
| title8 = Never Grow Up<br />
| length8 = 4:50<br />
| extra8 = I moved out in July<br />
| title9 = Enchanted<br />
| length9 = 5:52<br />
| extra9 = Adam<br />
| title10 = Better than Revenge<br />
| length10 = 3:37<br />
| extra10 = You thought I would forget<br />
| title11 = Innocent<br />
| length11 = 5:02<br />
| extra11 = Life is full of little interruptions <br />
| title12 = Haunted<br />
| length12 = 4:02<br />
| extra12 = To this day<br />
| title13 = Last Kiss<br />
| length13 = 6:07<br />
| extra13 = Forever and Always<br />
| title14 = Long Live<br />
| length14 = 5:17<br />
| extra14 = For you<br />
}}<br />
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:: I don't know who posted this above, but I like the idea of it. Maybe we should use it in the article. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 15:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Trivial and doesn't take importance over writers or producers. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Seems as though, she and Nathan co-produced all the songs together, so it would be easier to just say it in the beginning. But, I don't know. I like the idea. And the way it is currently looks so messy. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 16:26, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:that was me by the way. Someone rearranged it [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 07:37, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Question ==<br />
<br />
The album has been released an leaked. I know leaks don't need to be mentioned, but wouldn't that mean that it has been released somewhere? I could have sworn it was out in Ireland yesterday. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 16:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Nope. The Irish release date has changed. Leaks are very easy to do closer to the release date. In fact, CDs are probably being shipped to retailers as we speak. Anyone could grab ahold of a copy at this point. There was an interesting ''Billboard'' response about it. I'll give you the link if you want. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, I saw the Billboard link. I was just wondering because I could have sworn it was getting released eariler in Ireland, but as you said, it changed. Maybe I should just... go to the store, and maybe... grab a copy. >.> Haha. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 16:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or get a job at hmv. :P The Irish date was the twenty-second, but it changed a couple of days ago or something. I think they want to release it all at the same date, which makes sense, though the British and Irish have different rules than we on release dates. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I wish. They don't have HMV here. :( Yeah, they announced that before, I guess Ireland wanted it then, but they won't allow it. :P I wish things would all just come out Monday's. It would be so much easier. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 17:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It was relased in ireland on the 22nd <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mollysof|Mollysof]] ([[User talk:Mollysof|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mollysof|contribs]]) 22:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:Source? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 22:26, 23 October 2010 (UTC)</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Speak_Now&diff=392557768Talk:Speak Now2010-10-24T07:37:01Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* Album early? Amazon */</p>
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{{Album|class=Future}}<br />
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==Speedy Deletion==<br />
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I think this article qualifies for [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion]]. There are enough references on the page, but they all state the same thing. Thoughts? <font face="Cracked">[[User:Gabe19|<font color="Grey">'''Ga'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gabe19|<font color="Green">'''Be'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gabe19|<font color="Blue">'''19'''</font>]]</font> 23:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:October's quite a long time away, I think this article should be redirected to [[Taylor Swift]] until the album charts. [[User:MatthewWaller|MatthewWaller]] ([[User talk:MatthewWaller|talk]]) 19:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Edit request from Selenagomezayearwithoutrain101fan, 1 September 2010 ==<br />
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Taylor Swift has another song called "Permanent Marker" from Speak Now she confirmed it at a concert<br />
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[[User:Selenagomezayearwithoutrain101fan|Isaiah]] ([[User talk:Selenagomezayearwithoutrain101fan|talk]]) 00:12, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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<del>:If you provide a link to a reliable source, I will gladly add it for you.</del> <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 00:27, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Found significant coverage, added it. <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 00:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Another Song ==<br />
<br />
Taylor also has another song called Dear John. Selena Gomez stated it in an interview. http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/573830/the-year-without-rain-will-be-a-feel-good-record.jhtml#id=1648116 <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Katief74|Katief74]] ([[User talk:Katief74|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Katief74|contribs]]) 16:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:Not in source given. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
Sorry it was in this one.<br />
http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/573833/selena-gomez-is-so-excited-for-taylor-swifts-record.jhtml#id=1648116 <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Katief74|Katief74]] ([[User talk:Katief74|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Katief74|contribs]]) 16:45, 18 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Deluxe edition ==<br />
<br />
there is a deluxe edition from asda. <br />
<ref><br />
http://www.asda-entertainment.co.uk/cd/taylor-swift/speak-now-deluxe/10271059.html<br />
<br />
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"Speak Now" Debuts at #1 on iTunes<br />
by Taylor Swift on Friday, October 8, 2010 at 1:57am<br />
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“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads. <br />
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“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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[[Special:Contributions/175.40.237.24|175.40.237.24]] ([[User talk:175.40.237.24|talk]]) 13:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:{{ESp|?}} [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 13:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Edit request from Abesam, 8 October 2010 ==<br />
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{{EP|n}} We don't add info pertaining to iTunes / you provided no source. <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#4682B4;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#4682B4;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 14:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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RECENT UPDATE<br />
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"Speak Now" Debuts at #1 on iTunes<br />
by Taylor Swift on Friday, October 8, 2010 at 1:57am<br />
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“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads. <br />
<br />
“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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"Speak Now" Debuts at #1 on iTunes by Taylor Swift on Friday, October 8, 2010 at 1:57am<br />
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“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads.<br />
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“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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HERE IS THE LINK THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR<br />
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[http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/81912/taylor-swift-tops-itunes-charts-with-speak-now Taylor Swift Tops iTunes Charts With 'Speak Now']<br />
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[[User:Abesam|Abesam]] ([[User talk:Abesam|talk]]) 16:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:{{ESp|?}} Please make a specific request, not just a copy-and-paste of quotes. Also, I would like to let you know that iTunes charts are [[WP:BADCHARTS]]. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Album early? Amazon ==<br />
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i don't know why but Amazon shipped it to me yesterday (arrived today, I had release/1 day delivery). I am unsure if that was a mistake, but the point of the story is that is how I know the track lengths. I don't feel like adding anything else unless we are doing a hidden messages section. just a rundown (spoilers if you want to figure them out yourself)<br />
[[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 07:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Artwork ==<br />
Hi, I found a large version of the Deluxe Editon artwork (which I saw the original smaller version on HMV.com), so could someone who's good at the boxes edit it in please?<br />
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mupIVJbjvuU/TI_Kr_kXovI/AAAAAAAAG10/4b81W0uFo0M/s1600/Taylor+Swift+-+Speak+Now+%28Target+Deluxe+Edition%29+%28Official+Album+Cover%29.png<br />
[[User:Theog101|Theog101]] ([[User talk:Theog101|talk]]) 13:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's just a different color. Not needed. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 15:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Track listing ==<br />
{{Track listing<br />
| collapsed = no<br />
| headline = <br />
| extra_column = Hidden Message<br />
| title1 = [[Mine (song)|Mine]]<br />
| length1 = 3:50<br />
| extra1 = Toby<br />
| title2 = Sparks Fly<br />
| length2 = 4:20<br />
| extra2 = Portland Oregon<br />
| title3 = Back to December<br />
| length3 = 4:53<br />
| extra3 = Tay<br />
| title4 = [[Speak Now (song)|Speak Now]]<br />
| length4 = 4:00<br />
| extra4 = You Always regret what you don't say<br />
| title5 = Dear John<br />
| length5 = 6:43<br />
| extra5 = Loved you from the first day<br />
| title6 = Mean<br />
| length6 = 3:57<br />
| extra6 = I thought you got me<br />
| title7 = The Story of Us<br />
| length7 = 4:25<br />
| extra7 = CMT Awards<br />
| title8 = Never Grow Up<br />
| length8 = 4:50<br />
| extra8 = I moved out in July<br />
| title9 = Enchanted<br />
| length9 = 5:52<br />
| extra9 = Adam<br />
| title10 = Better than Revenge<br />
| length10 = 3:37<br />
| extra10 = You thought I would forget<br />
| title11 = Innocent<br />
| length11 = 5:02<br />
| extra11 = Life is full of little interruptions <br />
| title12 = Haunted<br />
| length12 = 4:02<br />
| extra12 = To this day<br />
| title13 = Last Kiss<br />
| length13 = 6:07<br />
| extra13 = Forever and Always<br />
| title14 = Long Live<br />
| length14 = 5:17<br />
| extra14 = For you<br />
}}<br />
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:: I don't know who posted this above, but I like the idea of it. Maybe we should use it in the article. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 15:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Trivial and doesn't take importance over writers or producers. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Seems as though, she and Nathan co-produced all the songs together, so it would be easier to just say it in the beginning. But, I don't know. I like the idea. And the way it is currently looks so messy. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 16:26, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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The album has been released an leaked. I know leaks don't need to be mentioned, but wouldn't that mean that it has been released somewhere? I could have sworn it was out in Ireland yesterday. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 16:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Nope. The Irish release date has changed. Leaks are very easy to do closer to the release date. In fact, CDs are probably being shipped to retailers as we speak. Anyone could grab ahold of a copy at this point. There was an interesting ''Billboard'' response about it. I'll give you the link if you want. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, I saw the Billboard link. I was just wondering because I could have sworn it was getting released eariler in Ireland, but as you said, it changed. Maybe I should just... go to the store, and maybe... grab a copy. >.> Haha. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 16:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or get a job at hmv. :P The Irish date was the twenty-second, but it changed a couple of days ago or something. I think they want to release it all at the same date, which makes sense, though the British and Irish have different rules than we on release dates. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I wish. They don't have HMV here. :( Yeah, they announced that before, I guess Ireland wanted it then, but they won't allow it. :P I wish things would all just come out Monday's. It would be so much easier. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 17:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It was relased in ireland on the 22nd <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mollysof|Mollysof]] ([[User talk:Mollysof|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mollysof|contribs]]) 22:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:Source? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 22:26, 23 October 2010 (UTC)</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Speak_Now&diff=392302508Talk:Speak Now2010-10-22T22:40:04Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* Album early? Amazon */ new section</p>
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{{Album|class=Future}}<br />
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==Speedy Deletion==<br />
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I think this article qualifies for [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion]]. There are enough references on the page, but they all state the same thing. Thoughts? <font face="Cracked">[[User:Gabe19|<font color="Grey">'''Ga'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gabe19|<font color="Green">'''Be'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gabe19|<font color="Blue">'''19'''</font>]]</font> 23:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:October's quite a long time away, I think this article should be redirected to [[Taylor Swift]] until the album charts. [[User:MatthewWaller|MatthewWaller]] ([[User talk:MatthewWaller|talk]]) 19:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Edit request from Selenagomezayearwithoutrain101fan, 1 September 2010 ==<br />
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Taylor Swift has another song called "Permanent Marker" from Speak Now she confirmed it at a concert<br />
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[[User:Selenagomezayearwithoutrain101fan|Isaiah]] ([[User talk:Selenagomezayearwithoutrain101fan|talk]]) 00:12, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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<del>:If you provide a link to a reliable source, I will gladly add it for you.</del> <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 00:27, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Found significant coverage, added it. <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 00:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Another Song ==<br />
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Taylor also has another song called Dear John. Selena Gomez stated it in an interview. http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/573830/the-year-without-rain-will-be-a-feel-good-record.jhtml#id=1648116 <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Katief74|Katief74]] ([[User talk:Katief74|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Katief74|contribs]]) 16:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
:Not in source given. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
Sorry it was in this one.<br />
http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/573833/selena-gomez-is-so-excited-for-taylor-swifts-record.jhtml#id=1648116 <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Katief74|Katief74]] ([[User talk:Katief74|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Katief74|contribs]]) 16:45, 18 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Deluxe edition ==<br />
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there is a deluxe edition from asda. <br />
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http://www.asda-entertainment.co.uk/cd/taylor-swift/speak-now-deluxe/10271059.html<br />
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UPDATE<br />
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"Speak Now" Debuts at #1 on iTunes<br />
by Taylor Swift on Friday, October 8, 2010 at 1:57am<br />
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“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads. <br />
<br />
“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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== Edit request from Abesam, 8 October 2010 ==<br />
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{{EP|n}} We don't add info pertaining to iTunes / you provided no source. <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#4682B4;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#4682B4;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 14:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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RECENT UPDATE<br />
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"Speak Now" Debuts at #1 on iTunes<br />
by Taylor Swift on Friday, October 8, 2010 at 1:57am<br />
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“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads. <br />
<br />
“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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== Edit request from Abesam, 8 October 2010 ==<br />
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RECENT UPDATE<br />
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"Speak Now" Debuts at #1 on iTunes by Taylor Swift on Friday, October 8, 2010 at 1:57am<br />
<br />
“Speak Now,” the title track from Taylor Swift’s upcoming Big Machine Records album, was released on iTunes on Tuesday and ascended to the #1 spots atop both the iTunes All-genre Singles Chart and the iTunes Country Singles Chart within hours of its release. The song remains at #1 on both charts, with first day sales in excess of 85,600 downloads.<br />
<br />
“Speak Now” is a hit with both fans and critics, with Entertainment Weekly (who this week ranks Taylor at #24 on their annual list of the Most Powerful Entertainers) lauding the song as “expertly catchy” and “one of her best tunes yet.”<br />
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HERE IS THE LINK THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR<br />
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[http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/81912/taylor-swift-tops-itunes-charts-with-speak-now Taylor Swift Tops iTunes Charts With 'Speak Now']<br />
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[[User:Abesam|Abesam]] ([[User talk:Abesam|talk]]) 16:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:{{ESp|?}} Please make a specific request, not just a copy-and-paste of quotes. Also, I would like to let you know that iTunes charts are [[WP:BADCHARTS]]. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 16:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Album early? Amazon ==<br />
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i don't know why but Amazon shipped it to me yesterday (arrived today, I had release/1 day delivery). I am unsure if that was a mistake, but the point of the story is that is how I know the track lengths. I don't feel like adding anything else unless we are doing a hidden messages section. just a rundown (spoilers if you want to figure them out yourself)<br />
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{{Track listing<br />
| collapsed = no<br />
| headline = <br />
| extra_column = Hidden Message<br />
| title1 = [[Mine (song)|Mine]]<br />
| length1 = 3:50<br />
| extra1 = Toby<br />
| title2 = Sparks Fly<br />
| length2 = 4:20<br />
| extra2 = Portland Oregon<br />
| title3 = Back to December<br />
| length3 = 4:53<br />
| extra3 = Tay<br />
| title4 = [[Speak Now (song)|Speak Now]]<br />
| length4 = 4:00<br />
| extra4 = You Always regret what you don't say<br />
| title5 = Dear John<br />
| length5 = 6:43<br />
| extra5 = Loved you from the first day<br />
| title6 = Mean<br />
| length6 = 3:57<br />
| extra6 = I thought you got me<br />
| title7 = The Story of Us<br />
| length7 = 4:25<br />
| extra7 = CMT Awards<br />
| title8 = Never Grow Up<br />
| length8 = 4:50<br />
| extra8 = I moved out in July<br />
| title9 = Enchanted<br />
| length9 = 5:52<br />
| extra9 = Adam<br />
| title10 = Better than Revenge<br />
| length10 = 3:37<br />
| extra10 = You thought I would forget<br />
| title11 = Innocent<br />
| length11 = 5:02<br />
| extra11 = Life is full of little interruptions <br />
| title12 = Haunted<br />
| length12 = 4:02<br />
| extra12 = To this day<br />
| title13 = Last Kiss<br />
| length13 = 6:07<br />
| extra13 = Forever and Always<br />
| title14 = Long Live<br />
| length14 = 5:17<br />
| extra14 = For you<br />
}}</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speak_Now&diff=392298855Speak Now2010-10-22T22:18:51Z<p>Superbowlbound: Sorry if I cited this wrong. The lengths are from the CD itself. If I need to fix the citation let me know, but please hesitate to edit it before doing so, thank you.</p>
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<div>{{Infobox album <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums --><br />
| Name = Speak Now<br />
| Cover = Taylor Swift - Speak Now cover.png<br />
| Border = yes<br />
| Type = Studio<br />
| Artist = [[Taylor Swift]]<br />
| Released = {{Start date|2010|10|25}}<br />
| Recorded = 2009–10<br />
| Genre = <!-- Do not add until the whole album is released and until there are sources for it --><br />
| Length = <!-- Do not add until the whole album is released and until there are sources for it --><br />
| Label = [[Big Machine Records|Big Machine]]<br />
| Producer = Scott Borchetta <small>(exec.)</small>, [[Nathan Chapman (record producer)|Nathan Chapman]],<ref>{{cite web|url=http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=11212129 |title=Taylor Swift to Release Concept Album in October |publisher=Abcnews.go.com |date= |accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> Taylor Swift<br />
| This album = '''''Speak Now'''''<br />(2010)<br />
| Last album = ''[[Fearless (Taylor Swift album)|Fearless]]''<br />(2008)<br />
| Misc = {{Singles<br />
| Name = Speak Now<br />
| Type = Studio<br />
| Single 1 = [[Mine (song)|Mine]]<br />
| Single 1 date = August 4, 2010<ref name="leak">{{cite web|url=http://www.cmt.com/news/news-in-brief/1645091/taylor-swifts-new-single-mine-shipped-to-country-radio-after-leak.jhtml|title=Taylor Swift's New Single, "Mine," Shipped to Country Radio After Leak|date=August 4, 2010|publisher=[[Country Music Television]]|accessdate=August 4, 2010}}</ref><br />
}}}}<br />
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'''''Speak Now''''' is the upcoming third [[studio album]] by American [[country pop]] artist [[Taylor Swift]]. The [[concept album]]<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Taylor+Swift+release+concept+album/3308064/story.html|title=Taylor Swift to release concept album|first=Leah|last=Collins|work=[[The Vancouver Sun]]|date=July 22, 2010|accessdate=July 22, 2010}}</ref> is set to be released in on October 25, 2010.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://speaknow13.com/2010/new-cd-released-date-announced-oct-25th/ |title=NEW CD RELEASE DATE ANNOUNCED &#124; Countdown to Taylor Swift’s new single |publisher=Speaknow13.com |date= |accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> Swift has been working on the album for the past two years.<ref name="autogenerated1">{{cite news|last=John |first=Christopher |url=http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/07/21/taylor-swift-sets-release-date-for-new-album-speak-now/ |title=Taylor Swift Sets Release Date for New Album 'Speak Now' - Speakeasy - WSJ |publisher=Blogs.wsj.com |date= July 21, 2010|accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> An upcoming world tour was confirmed for the album.<ref name="RollingStone">{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/183729|title=Taylor Swift Announces Third Album, 'Speak Now'|work=[[Rolling Stone]]|first=Daniel|last=Kreps|date=July 21, 2010|accessdate=August 1, 2010}}</ref> The official cover was released on August 18, 2010.<ref>[http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/check-out-taylor-swifts-new-album-cover-2010188 Check Out Taylor Swift's New Album Cover] - ''[[Us Weekly]]'' Wednesday – August 18, 2010 – 2:28pm</ref><br />
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==Writing and development==<br />
Swift wrote all of the songs on the album without co-writers. Speaking on a live webcast on July 20, 2010, she said, "I actually wrote all the songs myself for this record. It didn't really happen on purpose, it just sort of happened. Like, I'd get my best ideas at 3:00 AM in Arkansas, and I didn't have a co-writer around and I would just finish it."<ref name="theboot1">{{cite web|author=Posted Jul 21st 2010 9:00AM by Nancy Dunham Comments [1] |url=http://www.theboot.com/2010/07/21/taylor-swift-online-fan-chat/ |title=Taylor Swift on New Album, New Home, Favorite Fan Moments |publisher=The Boot |date= |accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> 60% of the album was recorded in producer Nathan Chapman's basement. Some of the songs will feature a full [[orchestra]], including [[String section|strings]].<ref name="RollingStone" /><br />
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==Promotion==<br />
Swift performed the song "Innocent" at the [[2010 MTV Video Music Awards]] on September 12, 2010. The song is reportedly about rapper [[Kanye West]], who caused controversy at the award show the year prior.{{Citation needed|date=October 2010}} Some of the tracks were previewed in advance of the release date: "[[Speak Now (song)|Speak Now]]" on October 4, "Back to December" on October 11, and "Mean" on October 18, 2010. These three were subsequently released to the [[iTunes Store]] the following day, respectively.<ref name="Rolling">{{Cite news|url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1648777/20100927/swift__taylor.jhtml|title=Taylor Swift Rolling Out ''Speak Now'' Tracks Early|date=September 27, 2010|first=Jocelyn|last=Vena|publisher=[[MTV News]]|accessdate=September 27, 2010}}</ref> Additionally, "The Story of Us" will see its preview on October 22, 2010 through [[Comcast]] on-demand and XfinityTv.com.<ref name="Rolling" /> "Speak Now" debuted on the [[Billboard Hot 100|''Billboard'' Hot 100]] at number eight and on the ''[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]'' [[Hot Country Songs]] chart at number sixty the week of October 11, 2010, selling 217,000 digital downloads.<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3id48ea20039ae74bdfcc9ebf4439e73c1|title=Chart Moves: 'Glee,' Mavis Staples, Stephen Colbert, 'Social Network,' Pink |first=Keith|last=Caulfield|first2=Silvio|last2=Pietroluongo|date=October 14, 2010|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 14, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/chart-highlights-country-dance-club-play-1004120283.story|title=Chart Highlights: Country, Dance/Club Play Songs & More|date=October 11, 2010|work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 11, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.billboard.com/news/toby-keith-s-gun-fires-at-no-1-on-billboard-1004120559|title=Toby Keith's 'Gun' Fires at No. 1 on Billboard 200|date=October 13, 2010|first=Keith|last=Caulfield|work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 13, 2010}}</ref> "Back to December" debuted at number six on the Billboard Hot 100, with 242,000 digital downloads.<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/genre/e3i493aa786b5893edc9b7afa6eb4f225b5|title=Chart Moves: Lil Wayne, David Archuleta, Taylor Swift, Kanye West|date=October 21, 2010|first=Keith|last=Caulfield|first2=Silvio|last2=Pietroluongo|work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 21, 2010}}</ref><br />
==Critical Reception==<br />
Chris Willman of The Hollywood Reporter gave it a positive review saying "They may be out in greater force than ever before, but the stone-hearted among them who listen to Speak Now will find it hard to complain that Swift somehow stole that Best Album Grammy for Fearless. Entirely self-penned, sans the collaborations of the previous albums, it’s an enormous breakthrough in songwriting maturity, while hardly forsaking the childlike lack of pretense that made earlier efforts such guilt-free ear candy. Deal with it, haters: It’ll be decades before she’s holding her peace."<ref>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/taylor-swift-speak-album-31396</ref><br />
===Singles===<br />
The first single, "[[Mine (song)|Mine]]", was released on August 4, 2010, instead of the planned August 16 release, after being [[Internet leak|leaked]].<ref name="leak" /> The music video shoot was in [[Kennebunkport, Maine]] in early July.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/183729|title=Taylor Swift Announces Third Album, 'Speak Now'|work=[[Rolling Stone]]|first=Daniel|last=Kreps|date=July 21, 2010|accessdate=August 26, 2010}}</ref> Swift said the single was about her tendency to "run from love".<ref name="autogenerated1"/> For the week of August 21, 2010, "Mine" debuted at #3 on the Hot 100 and #1 on digital songs due to 297,000 digital downloads. This was less than what was predicted but "Mine" was only out for about 4 days due to the rush release of the single. The song also debuted at #53 on Radio Songs due to 23.9 million listeners on all radio formats. About 60% of these impressions were on country radio, leading to "Mine"{{'s}} debut at #26 on the U.S. Billboard Hot Country Songs chart.{{Citation needed|date=October 2010}}<br />
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==Track listing==<br />
The album will have fourteen tracks, all of which were written solely by Swift.<ref name="theboot1"/><ref name="RollingStone" /> Speaking about the songs, Swift said, "Each song is a different confession to a person."<ref name="RollingStone" /> The official track list was revealed on Swift's official website on September 22, 2010.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.taylorswift.com/news#speak-now-tracklist|title=Speak Now Tracklist!|publisher=TaylorSwift.com|accessdate=September 22, 2010}}</ref><br />
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| title2 = Sparks Fly<br />
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| title3 = Back to December<br />
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| title4 = [[Speak Now (song)|Speak Now]]<br />
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| title5 = Dear John<br />
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| title6 = Mean<br />
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| title7 = The Story of Us<br />
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| title8 = Never Grow Up<br />
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| title9 = Enchanted<br />
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| title10 = Better than Revenge<br />
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| title11 = Innocent<br />
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| title12 = Haunted<br />
| length12 = 4:02<br />
| title13 = Last Kiss<br />
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| title14 = Long Live<br />
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===Deluxe edition===<br />
A deluxe edition solely for release by the [[Target Corporation]] was announced that will feature a slightly different cover, with Swift in a red dress. To be released on the same day as the standard edition, it will include three additional tracks, three [[Acoustic music|acoustic versions]], and thirty minutes of video content: the [[music video]] for "Mine", as well as behind-the-scenes footage of its production.<ref name="Target">{{cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Speak-Now-Deluxe-CD-DVD/dp/B004008F58/|title=Speak Now (Deluxe Edition)(CD) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1647945/20100915/swift__taylor.jhtml|title=Taylor Swift Announces Deluxe Version Of ''Speak Now''|date=September 15, 2010|first=Jocelyn|last=Vena|publisher=[[MTV News]]|accessdate=September 18, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PEOPLE_TAYLOR_SWIFT|title=Taylor Swift partners with retailer for new CD|date=September 15, 2010|publisher=[[Associated Press]]|accessdate=September 18, 2010}}</ref><br />
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A 2CD deluxe edition is also set for release for HMV Canada. The track list has yet to be announced.<ref>http://hmv.ca/Products/Detail/596937.aspx</ref><br />
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== Bruno Mars ==<br />
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I removed it because in my book, it's redundant and irrelevant. I don't ever use the format field when creating or revamping a discography. [[User:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|EnDaLeCoMpLeX]] ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|talk]]) 22:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Like I said, I don't like using it. It makes tables to large in areas where it doesn't need to be. So basically I highly dislike the use of the format field in discographies. [[User:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|EnDaLeCoMpLeX]] ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|talk]]) 20:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Umm I think I saw it on a discussion with EPs that if an EP is less than 5 songs, it may chart on the singles chart. Like in the US, it may chart on the Hot Singles Sales chart. In the UK however, it is just listed in with the UK Singles Chart. When I first saw that it had charted there, I, too, was pretty confused, but then I remembered the discussion. <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 14:35, 18 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== KEsha ==<br />
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Please be careful when changing content. You recently moved the notes section and added My First Kiss peak in Germany. Both edits have been reverted. The Notes were moved per FL comment and according to [http://musicline.de/de/chartverfolgung_summary/artist/3oh!3/single this link] My First Kiss has not charted. Thank You :) - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 18:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, I didn't know about the Notes part, sorry! As for "My First Kiss" ft. Ke$ha charting in Germany: well it's only debuted on the charts this week at #38 (sources here: [http://www.viva.tv/charts/viva-top-100-kw-32-2010-42/video/?start=30&clip=38], [http://www.mtv.de/charts/germany]) and [http://www.charts.de/search.asp?extended=1&cat=s&artist=&artist_search=starts&title=My+First+Kiss&title_search=starts a search for "My First Kiss" on charts.de] shows that it has charted, but not within the top five (a.k.a. "premium members content"). It's probably gonna be on musicline.de sometime soon, but I'll leave it out for now, since there are no legit sources (yet!). Thanks so much for letting me know! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 19:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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You have talkback on my page. Im not aware if your "watching" my page for a reply or not so i thought id let you know :) - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 07:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== List of songs in Glee ==<br />
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Hey! I don't know whether you've seen, but [[Glee (season 1)]] passed FL :D Over on the [[Wikipedia talk:Featured topic questions#Glee (season 1) good topic|Good Topic talkpage]], [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]] has suggested that we should try and include the season's musical articles as well as episodes in a GT nom, which would entail pushing the five album/EP articles and the concert tour up to GA, and the song list (which is probably about ready for splitting into separate season 1 and 2 lists) to FL. With the latter in mind, I've found that [[List of songs in Guitar Hero]] and its sequels are about the only comparable existing FLs. I think over time, the Glee song list has grown more elaborate and possibly less functional, and that simplifying and modelling it a little more after the Guitar Hero example might be beneficial. Particularly I think that making it sortable would be a good way to go. As a major contributor to the article, I wanted to consult you before making any changes, and to see what we can come up with. I'm playing about with it a bit in [[User:Frickative/List of songs in Glee (season 1)|a sandbox]] so you can see roughly what I'm thinking, and I'm eager to hear your thoughts :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 18:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hey there! That sounds perfect! I just saw the sandbox page you started, and it looks amazing! Must have taken so much time, so props to you! And yes, I would very much be interested in promoting those articles to (at least) GA. Sorry I haven't responded about ''Glee: The Music, Volume 1''; I got busy with some other things. Alright, now we have something to work towards! I will definitely contribute, and love the idea to split the song list into seasons, and then just make the original article a disambiguation page. Go ahead! :D [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 07:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:The information I was adding DID have a reliable source, I was adding it when my information got wiped out! And I don't appreciate being patronized![[User:SPNic|SPNic]] ([[User talk:SPNic|talk]]) 19:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 2010 MTV Video Music Awards ==<br />
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Who are you to decide what's a reliable source or not. I stated my legitimate source so therefore you have no right to take it down. In no way are you above me so you have no right to assume so. Thank You. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Teairra989|Teairra989]] ([[User talk:Teairra989|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Teairra989|contribs]]) 19:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== September 2010 ==<br />
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[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]'''&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:2010 MTV Video Music Awards]]. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] to work towards wording and content that gains a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If the edit warring continues, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing''' without further notice. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> <span id="sig" style="background:#FFFFC0">'''[[User:Giftiger_wunsch|<font face="Verdana" color="#900000">Giftiger<font color="#FF0000">Wunsch</font></font>]]''' [[User_talk:Giftiger wunsch|<font face="Tahoma" color="#0060A0">[TALK]</font>]]</span> 20:01, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Katy perry teenage dream cover ==<br />
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well, i am not blind... i bought the deluxe edition of the album, and that is the one without the title. please go to google and look for the cd on the hmv group. see the deluxe cover and the standard cover, thank you. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Salgado96|Salgado96]] ([[User talk:Salgado96|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Salgado96|contribs]]) 15:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
::To sort the issue once and for all I've brough the discussion up '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Teenage_Dream_%28Katy_Perry_album%29#Cover.2C_text_vs._no_text here]'''. Please not that unless there is a general consensus and agreement that the inclusion of two covers is correct only one cover should remain at the article. -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 14:39, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== RE: Britney Glee "Me Against The Music Source ==<br />
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http://www.bscreview.com/2010/08/britney-spears-glee-pics/ - Spears and "Brittany" performing "Me Against The Music" - source. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.102.199.46|94.102.199.46]] ([[User talk:94.102.199.46|talk]]) 22:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== RE:Auto-Tune ==<br />
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Looks like you may be right according to the Wiki article. However a proper noun is a noun representing unique entities (such as London, Jupiter, or Toyota). But auto-tune is generic and is not a specific type of auto-tune technology or instrument. Also auto-tuned is a verb, and verbs are capitalized. Auto-Tuned? <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 20:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Katy ==<br />
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Ok, but this single has already the single cover, [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firework_%28can%C3%A7%C3%A3o_de_Katy_Perry%29 see here] and will relase betimes. And for this, has many source that. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 00:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Ok. The time that say the true. And betimes means ready, soon, etc. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 00:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry, but my english is not so good, but i will to Canadá and improve it. I intend live here one day and know the Avril Lavigne (is my dream). In Brazil she is only success since 2002 until now. Returning the subject, the article's Katy Perry in wiki-pt has many sources that confirms the notice is true, and not speculation. I know that here has rigid rules. But that article is good. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 17:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee - Britney Spears related singles ==<br />
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I work at Tommy2.net and have access to password protected press sites such as Sony, and they updated their Glee release list today with "...Baby One More Time," "I'm A Slave 4 U," "Me Against The Music," "Stronger," "The Only Exception," and "Toxic." How can i cite a reference when it's not a public website? I have included a screenshot of the actual page mentioned to support my information with blank sides cropped off so photobucket doesn't resize the image too much. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Kevin87/gleesonyreleases.jpg<br />
[[User:Kevin87|Kevin87]] ([[User talk:Kevin87|talk]]) 20:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hmmm interesting. Since, there is no way one can get to that site, I'm afraid we cannot include it in the article for now. Wikipedia has a policy called [[Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth|Verifiability, not truth]], and even if it is true, which it certainly seems to be, it is not verifiable. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== BEP ==<br />
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No prob.<br />
:Sure [[User:TBSfan1223|TBSfan1223]] ([[User talk:TBSfan1223|talk]]) 00:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Chord Overstreet]] ==<br />
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Wow, I just started writing a draft to replace the old copyvio version last night and this morning, I saw you had already finished a new article on him. If you add 200 more letters, it can be [[WP:DYK|DYK]]-ready. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 12:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Two hundred letters or two hundred words? I'll see what I can add. :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 12:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Letters. It's ready now, and I have put it up for DYK at [[Template_talk:Did_you_know#Chord_Overstreet]]. If everything checks out, it'll be on the main page in about a week. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 02:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== List of Songs in Glee (season 2) ==<br />
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I keep trying to add "Lucky," by Jason Mraz and Colbie Caillat to the list of songs for glee season 2, but you keep taking it down. it has been confirmed through source number 35 on that same page (link: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Glee-Season-2-1023350.aspx) The TV Guide article states: "When the brass section kicks in to the umpteeth take of "River Deep, Mountain High," the actors watching the performance on the monitors go wild as if its the first time they're seeing it. Michele bops her head along, mouthing the lyrics and cheering. ''''Later, after Dianna Agron, who plays Quinn, and new cast member Chord Overstreet, who plays new student Sam, perform Colbie Caillat and Jason Mraz's "Lucky," Rivera sighs dreamily. 'That was so sweet!'"'' It clearly states what song is being sung and by whom. It is definitely in episode 4 because it is being shot at the same time as "River Deep, Mountain High." If there is a reason why this cannot be added, please clarify it for me. If not, would you please re-add it to the list. Thanks! (I do not mean for any of this to sound nasty, so if it does, I apologize). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.228.31.39|24.228.31.39]] ([[User talk:24.228.31.39|talk]]) 01:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Rocky Horror Glee Show EP ==<br />
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Hey, I noticed that someone jumped the gun a bit by starting an empty ''[[Glee: The Music, The Rocky Horror Glee Show]]'' article. It got me thinking - I'm working on a draft of the [[User:Frickative/The Rocky Horror Glee Show|episode article]], and wondered whether we could combine efforts to include your userspace page on the EP as a soundtrack section. That way all the info would be available for development in the mainspace, and the EP could be split off into a separate article once there's enough coverage to make it independently notable? [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 17:06, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds great; Good idea! Let's do it! :D [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Ace! I've got a few more sources to check through before I move it to the mainspace, but I've added the soundtrack in now :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 18:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Opinion request ==<br />
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Could you give your opinon [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Discographies/style#Removal_of_.22other_charted_songs.22|here]]? Thanks in advance. <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 01:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Certainly! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey.. I know I've been pretty mean to you in the past and I just wanted to apologize to you for that - I can be a bit hot headed at times.. so I'm sorry for being mean to you. I hope you can look past it. :) <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 03:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Of course; I accept your apology! I know people get angry sometimes, and I've already forgiven you haha. Of course we'll look past it! =) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DYK for Grilled Cheesus ==<br />
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}} <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — [[User:Rlevse|<b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 18:05, 28 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Edit Summaries ==<br />
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Who has two thumbs and doesn't care about edit summaries? THIS GUY!!! Quit spamming my talk page kthx. --[[User:TheTruthiness|TheTruthiness]] ([[User talk:TheTruthiness|talk]]) 05:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
**<big>'''''IT'S NOT A RULE'''''</big>, I don't '''have''' to put edit summaries, I don't want to, won't. Keep it up and I'll report you for abuse. --[[User:TheTruthiness|TheTruthiness]] ([[User talk:TheTruthiness|talk]]) 05:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I replied on my talk page. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] ([[User talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]]) 17:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Congrats ==<br />
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{| style="border: 1px solid purple; background-color: beige;"<br />
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:Music barstar.png]]<br />
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Music Barnstar'''<br />
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid purple;" | I award you this for your great work on [[Nicki Minaj discography]] cleaning it up (except adding the airplay Pop Songs chart) lol! Maybe sometimes soon we can collaborate on making the article a FL, if interested. Congratulations, you deserve it! <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 21:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[ka:თარგი:მუსიკის ვიკიორდენი]]<br />
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== Beyonce Discography ==<br />
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Hi, thanks a lot. I'm happy you like my work. Henceforth, i will use the edit summary box. Don't worry, i haven't added anything contributing to vandalism. On the contrary, i am improving it. I have made the whole (practically the whole as i am still left with 4 more references) verificable. Just compare how it was before i start to work on it. Thanks a lot for your appreciation. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 08:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, thanks for your guidance. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Succession boxes ==<br />
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Hi. I see you are against the removal of succession boxes from articles for songs and albums that hit #1 on music charts. There is a discussion ongoing at [[WT:CHARTS]] and, while the general opinion seems to be against them and consensus is growing in that direction, it is valuable to have opinions from all sides. --[[User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars]] ([[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|talk]]) 10:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: October 2010 ==<br />
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Arg! I'm so frustrated with myself. I usually ALWAYS forget about that. I'll be sure to remember before I save anything. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 21:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Loud ==<br />
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No she wrote that music. She wrote '''all''' the song "Cheers", but there is a sample parts too that will remember the Avril Lavigne's songs. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Is a sample and wrote '''all''' that song. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Writting is a collaboration, you're not understanding about it. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:34, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Avril is a songwriters than album. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DYK for Chord Overstreet ==<br />
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== Ummmm... ==<br />
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Good with trying to get people to leave an edit summary on everything that is done on here. I've learned that it's not going to happen. Plus the fact you seemingly wasted your time telling me this, someone whose been editing long enough, seemed a bit condescending. No offense. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 08:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Some "minor" edits I generally don't add a summary. I add summaries for larger edits. For that specific edit, all I did was just turned the ref list into two columns.<span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 12:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::See what? <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 18:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Were looking at the references section of [[Just the Way You Are (Bruno Mars song)]]? That's what I changed to make it into two columns. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 19:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I guess something is messed up on your end. I can see it fine. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 20:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I use Firefox and that's why I'm able to see it. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 23:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help ==<br />
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{{helpme-helped}}<br />
I am trying to add the [http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582 deluxe edition of the Australian release of ''Doo-Wops & Hooligans''] to [[Doo-Wops & Hooligans|the album page]] (date: October 15, 2010; label: Warner Music), but it's messing up for some reason. This is what I'm trying to accomplish:<br />
<pre>{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|France<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.fr/Doo-Wops-Hooligans/dp/B00443PTL4/|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|language=French|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.fr]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 4, 2010<br />
|[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]]<br />
|rowspan="2"|[[Music download|Digital download]]<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="AmazonUS" /><ref name="AmazonDeluxe" /><br />
|[[Atlantic Records|Atlantic]], [[Elektra Records|Elektra]]<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|Austria<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.at]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="5"|October 5, 2010<br />
|rowspan="4"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="3"|[[Compact Disc|CD]]<br />
|rowspan="3"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Canada<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.ca/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo - Wops & Hooligans: Bruno Mars|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.ca]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Germany<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.de]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Mexico<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans/id394282240|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Digital download<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="Unveils"/><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Doo-wops-Hooligans-DVD-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B0042LRTBG/|title=Doo-wops & Hooligans (CD/DVD)(Bonus Tracks) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Atlantic, Elektra<br />
|rowspan="3"|CD<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
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and it comes out as:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|France<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.fr/Doo-Wops-Hooligans/dp/B00443PTL4/|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|language=French|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.fr]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 4, 2010<br />
|[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]]<br />
|rowspan="2"|[[Music download|Digital download]]<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="AmazonUS" /><ref name="AmazonDeluxe" /><br />
|[[Atlantic Records|Atlantic]], [[Elektra Records|Elektra]]<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|Austria<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.at]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="5"|October 5, 2010<br />
|rowspan="4"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="3"|[[Compact Disc|CD]]<br />
|rowspan="3"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Canada<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.ca/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo - Wops & Hooligans: Bruno Mars|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.ca]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Germany<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.de]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Mexico<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans/id394282240|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Digital download<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="Unveils"/><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Doo-wops-Hooligans-DVD-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B0042LRTBG/|title=Doo-wops & Hooligans (CD/DVD)(Bonus Tracks) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Atlantic, Elektra<br />
|rowspan="3"|CD<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
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The "Australia" and "October 15, 2010" cells are not coming out as a rowspan of 2. Am I doing something wrong here? Articles like ''[[I Am... Sasha Fierce]]'' and ''[[The Fame Monster]]'' have this done correctly, and I'm not sure why it's not working here. Thanks in advance!<br />
[[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 02:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hmm, I can't seem to get it to work either. I've been working on it for like 15 minutes and it's doing the exact same thing to me as it is to you. I even thought maybe another rowspan was off, but I can't seem to figure it out. <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::So frustrating. I don't know where I'm going wrong here. I know it's not anything to do with the references, because I even tried removing all of them (I cringed whilst doing so) and the same thing showed up in the preview. And it doesn't work when I try adding the [http://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295 Canadian deluxe edition], either. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Very strange. I don't think I've ever come across a problem like this before. Maybe try retyping it all over again? Or have you tried that already? <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 03:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, trying out something simpler. Only looking at New Zealand downward, with no rowspans:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
comes out fine as:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
and when I merge a couple of cells, it comes out great as:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|CD<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|CD<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
The problem is, though, when I try to merge the New Zealand and Australia "CD" cells:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
And I get:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
Totally not understanding why this is being colloquially stupid. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Me neither. I located the issue, as it works fine with<br />
<pre><br />
...<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|foo<br />
|bar<br />
|}<br />
</pre><br />
:so the issue is the colspan 2 for the country name. But idk how to fix it. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 04:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::The issue seems to be using colspan to merge cells for the last column you are working with ("Format" for me in the example above). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Archiving ==<br />
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Have you considered [[WP:Archive|archiving]] your talk page? It's 112 KB long and has 79 topics. [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#When to condense pages|The talk page guidelines]] suggest archiving after a talk page has become larger than 50 KB, or has more than 10 main sections. Not doing so can make the page difficult to navigate and also make it difficult for users with slow Internet connections to view the page. How to archive is detailed [[WP:Archive|on the archive page]]. Cheers! <span style="font-family: Verdana">— [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <sup>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|talk]]</sup></span> 05:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, I have lol. I've just never done it before, and didn't really wanna learn how as it's never been an issue for me. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I can do it for you, if you like; I can make it 'auto-archive' things that are older than 'x' days. If you want that, just reply below, let me know how many days; 30? perhaps. Whatever you like. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Haha well sure, if you don't mind! That's very generous of you. :) And maybe not thirty; how about sixty? Question: what if, hypothetically speaking, during a sixty-day period, there are no or only a few discussions? Would it still be archived even if there are only a few sections? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 06:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::OK, I've set up this page for auto-archiving, as discussed.<br />
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::::Normally, I prefer to explain how to do stuff, but in the case of archive set-up, it's easier to just do it for you. The voodoo to make it work is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yvesnimmo&diff=389839959&oldid=389839658 here]; the bot should come along within about a day and kick things off. Note the archive box at the top which, currently, will say "no archives yet (create)" - don't create anything, just let the bot do its thing.<br />
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::::It's set to 60 days (60d), you might want to change that. Note that a) it won't archive very small threads or things with no sigs in (ie no date) - you can cut those yourself and paste 'em into the archive page if you want.<br />
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::::And to answer your question: it is possible to specify a minimum number of threads, so it won't archive if there are less; I've set that to <nowiki>| minthreadsleft = 4</nowiki> for now.<br />
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::::So - that's about it; no action required, just let the bot do its thing, and - if I've done it correctly - all should be well. If it goes wrong, of course, give me a shout. Cheers! <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Thanks, Chzz! Appreciate it! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 07:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent}}<br />
I'm really sorry, I'd done it wrong; I checked back, wondered why it didn't work, and noticed I missed out a {{xt|/}}.<br />
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So, please give it ''another'' 24 hours to start. Again, sorry. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 05:52, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Haha. That's quite alright! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Looking at the bot, I think it should get to you around 20:30 UTC, so, about 10 hours from now; I'll check back of course. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yvesnimmo/Archive_1&action=history Yay], seems to be fine. I'll stop watching, so give me a shout if you ever have problems with it. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:50, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Beyonce's Fourth Studio album ==<br />
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Don't you think that the time has come to create a page for Beyonce's fourth upcoming studio album? So many artist have one for their albums due 2011 such as Rihanna (Loud), Kelly Rowland (Kelly Rowland), Kanye West (Dark Twisted Mind), Young Jeezy............ [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does it have a name yet? Beware of [[WP:HAMMER]]. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC) <small>(Just a comment, in passing)</small><br />
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== Chronology ==<br />
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"In a studio album article, the chain (for most artists) should include only other studio albums, excluding live albums and compilations; these other types can also have their own separate chains. For some artists '''it may be more appropriate''' to include all album types in one chain, but care must be taken to maintain the integrity of chains, so that when album "A" points to "B" as the next album, "B" points back to "A" as the last (previous) album."<br />
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I really don't care about the chronology, but this change is only gonna cause edit wars and more discussions between other users. Plus, artists like Madonna and Michael Jackson have only one chronology. [[User:Xwomanizerx|Xwomanizerx]] ([[User talk:Xwomanizerx|talk]]) 21:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:But they don't. Michael Jackson's greatest hits / remix albums have their own separate chronology (''[[Number Ones (Michael Jackson album)|Number Ones]]'', ''[[The Ultimate Collection (Michael Jackson album)|The Ultimate Collection]]'', ''[[The Essential Michael Jackson]]'', etc.) as do Madonna's EPs (''[[Remixed Prayers]]'', ''[[The Holiday Collection (EP)|The Holiday Collection]]'', etc.). It makes more sense to have different chronologies for different album types. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 22:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== California Dreams Tour ==<br />
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Your edits to the [[California Dreams Tour]] have been reverted and quite frankly this all seems quite [[WP:LAME|redundant]] if you think about it. A country is defined as a territory of an independent nation. This [[List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe|list]] you are referencing refers to a sovereign state. A sovereign state is a grouping of nations or territories that operate under one unified government. In the case of the United Kingdom, it is the countries of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland that create the United Kingdom. I am not saying that you are wrong but to state that "England is not a country, I know what it is" is pretty absent-minded. If you would like, I do not mind creating a entry on the talk page so that other editors can weigh in on this matter. [[User:Itsbydesign|Itsbydesign]] ([[User talk:Itsbydesign|talk]]) 08:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===While it isn't fan-made...===<br />
Well , just asking, while it isn't fan-made ([[Katy Perry|Perry]]'s official twitter), it shouldn't be a reliable source? <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 16:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Honestly, I, think Perry wouldn't lie about that. But agree! [[Capitol Records|Capitol]] probably will add that information really soon in Katy's official site. Thanks for all, <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 17:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[WP:AIV]] ==<br />
<br />
Saw that you were unsure about your report of [[User:AtomicMarcusKitten]]. In general, only pure vandals should be reported to AIV. This user seems to do quite a bit of good work, but definitely has some interaction issues. Consider making a report at [[WP:AN/I]]. Regards, '''[[User:Jujutacular|<span style="color:#006400;">Jujutacular</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jujutacular|talk]]</sup> 15:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:FYI, just saw another admin has blocked the user - we'll see if their behavior improves after the block. '''[[User:Jujutacular|<span style="color:#006400;">Jujutacular</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jujutacular|talk]]</sup> 15:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Are we removing other charted songs from the new discographies? [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 00:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Per [[WT:DISCOGSTYLE]] consensus, no. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fixing Loud Album Refs ==<br />
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I'm not use to the [[citation templates]] way of referencing but theres no rule saying you can't do it the way I did. I fixed all the refs that most of the contributors were to lazy to do. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 00:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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They way I set out the referencing was correct but the only thing I didn't use was the citation templates. Feel free to correct it, but don't be lazy and revert my editing. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 01:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I didn't say you reverted it, but if you do correct the refs, don't be lazy and revert my edits. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 01:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Stop Editing the [[T-Pain]] templete ==<br />
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The songs you are "fixing" are legit singles that have charted or are offcial singles If you're going to "fix" the templete then fix the songs, rather than deleting them.<br />
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== NO ==<br />
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I'm aware that. Please stop reverting it back so i can fix the promotional singles. There is a page for both songs that aren't redirected pages. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.173.135.8|67.173.135.8]] ([[User talk:67.173.135.8|talk]]) 00:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== October 2010 ==<br />
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[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]'''&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Template:Kesha]]. Users who [[WP:DISRUPT|edit disruptively]] or refuse to [[WP:COLLABORATE|collaborate]] with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. If unsuccessful then '''do not edit war even if you believe you are right'''. Post a request for help at an [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If edit warring continues, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing''' without further notice. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:SpigotMap|<font color="BLACK">'''Spigot'''</font>]][[User talk:SpigotMap|<font color="GRAY">Map</font>]] 14:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kesha ==<br />
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Re. [[Template:Kesha]] and the possible addition of "We R Who We R"<br />
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Please discuss this on the talk page, [[Template talk:Kesha#We R Who We R]].<br />
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Thanks, <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Other charted songs (2) ==<br />
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Okay! But what about Last Friday Night? <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Where's the reliable source that [...] T.G.I.F. charted on Hot 100? It does not appears anything on Billboard's Katy Perry archive... <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:47, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ok! ==<br />
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Thanks, appreciate your help! <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, if you could review me on my [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Pedro João|review page]], it would be nice, thanks <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 22:00, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I see you removed by addtion on 'Only Exception' by Paramore article ==<br />
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Hi <br />
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You undid my edit right?<br />
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Don't worry. Once Wikipedia removes Examiner TV from the blacklist you can't call it unreliable anymore. So if it does comeback again there. Please don't delete or undo my editing in the future on that article when it does. Thank you [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 02:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It might. I am still appealing for it to be removed. Anyways, I'll just get back to you on that one when if it does. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 02:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well I was looking all over the net for a more reliable source that is more appropriate than Examiner TV's but they all lead back to that site. I also had a look at Billboard's website but I didn't manage to find anything other than this:<br />
[http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/weekly-chart-notes-glee-kenny-chesney-phil-1004119807.story#/column/chartbeat/weekly-chart-notes-glee-kenny-chesney-phil-1004119807.story Weekly Chart Notes: 'Glee,' Kenny Chesney, Phil Collins ].<br />
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It doesn't really look like a reliable source and it makes my edit look like a POV. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 09:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Rocky Horror Glee ==<br />
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With all due respect, all Glee soundtracks for EPs thus far have been released the day the show airs. The episode airs on October 26, and I'm still surprised that iTunes shows October 19 still (as do others I think, and I only found this after making the change). See my edit summary for my initial change reason, which was, and I quote, "''Not sure if the source matches, but Glee is pre-empted Oct. 19 for baseball playoff (World Series?). Therefore, EP will be released the day the show airs (Oct. 26).''" While I have doubt in my mind now, I can't see them releasing the album a week before the episode. I think the sites just haven't been notified to push it back by a week. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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(Before replying on my talk page, see the notice there and please honour it by replying here. I will be watching this page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC))<br />
:I understand why you may be sceptical, but ''Glee'' soundtracks have been known to be released before the airing of episodes with respective tracks: ''Volume 3 Showstoppers'' was released before "Theatricality" and "Funk" aired, ''Volume 2'' before "Sectionals", and ''Volume 1'' before "Wheels". I couldn't tell you for certain why they're releasing it a week early, but October 19, 2010 is what is shown by [http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/glee-the-music-the-rocky-horror-glee-show-in-stores-october-19-103922393.html FOX's official press release], [http://www.gleethemusic.com/us/music/glee-music-rocky-horror-glee-show-0 the ''Glee'' Cast's official website], [http://www.sonymusicdigital.com/glee/details/5693178?current_country=US the Sony Music store], [http://itunes.apple.com/preorder/glee-the-music-the-rocky-horror/id395337246 the iTunes Store], [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0046756O8/ Amazon.com], [http://hmv.ca/Products/Detail/597936.aspx hmv], [http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Glee-The-Music-The-Rocky-Horror-Glee-Show/Glee/e/886977964626 Barnes & Noble], [http://www.billboard.com/news/glee-announces-rocky-horror-album-details-1004117202.story ''Billboard''], and many, many other reliable sources. I don't think these could have ''all'' gotten the date wrong? Especially the stores where physical release or shipping is guaranteed to happen. Unless you have found a reliable source saying the EP will be released the twenty-sixth...? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Maybe they're making an exception for Halloween since there are only five days between the episode and Halloween? *shrug* And makes me wonder if Glee will tackle a Christmas episode; nothing has been announced one way or the other on that yet. Again, I made the edit before I found the Oct. 19 in iTunes and couldn't figure out why.<br />
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::As a side note, the Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 3 were based on multiple episodes. EPs are usually on one episode. This would be the first early '''EP''' release if it's on the 26th. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Hmmm yeah, but aside from episode accompaniment, there hasn't been much difference in promotion or sales (as can be seen by chart peaks) between the albums and the EPs. And I'm not sure about a potential Christmas episode. SuBo's supposed to guest-star and sing one of the songs from her [[The Gift (Susan Boyle album)|second album]], though. I do not believe they have started production, though. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I heard about the Susan Boyle bit, too. That will be exciting for the cast, I think. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: idol discography ==<br />
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the reason i made this page is cuz the american idol page has a discography list, so i figured id add a canadian idol discography page. also, i added american idol albums list cuz lots of albums from american idol charted in canada, so i wanted to note those too. also, im not the only 1 who edits that page. i know its not the most frequently edited page on wikipedia, but i thought i would make this page for ppl who were curious bout how good or how bad canadian idol (and some american) were doing post-show. so i dunno why y'ure makin such a big deal bout this.<br />
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== Oh boy: first IP edit; revert ==<br />
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Well, wait at most one day and I'll see you edit warrig about it, let see if the first IP still being it. BTW it is not the first. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 01:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Forget it, I see the confusion now. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 01:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I thought that you were saying to me something like "C'mon is the first IP in edit, you do not need to add PLEASE DO NOT ADD THE FAME MONSTER" (see my entire edit), that's why I said "you'll be reverting many of them tomorrow". [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 02:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee: The Music, The Christmas Album ==<br />
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Not sure if you've heard about this one yet, but someone just linked me to the tracklist at [http://tommy2.net/content/?p=18457 Tommy2]. No other sources on it at present (except a placeholder [http://www.billboard.com/album/glee-cast/glee-the-music-the-christmas-album/1456058#/album/glee-cast/glee-the-music-the-christmas-album/1456058 Billboard page]), but worth keeping an eye out for :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 15:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Interesting!! I wonder if it's the same as the "Tbd" album on Amazon.com? Neither of the two sites reveal a track listing, so I'm not sure. I certainly will keep an eye on it! Looks interesting, because I thought that album would be ''Volume 4'' and not this one. I don't know if they will sing these on the show, though... there are twelve of them, and they have never done that many in an episode. Maybe they will only include some of them, or this is just an extra Christmas release, like "Last Christmas" was (speaking of which, I wonder if that version is the one on this album). In any case, the SuBo song is probably "O Holy Night", as it's the only one on her album. I wonder why ''Billboard'' has the album up when no other retailers or news sources do... Speaking of Tommy2, I'm doubting whether it's a reliable source or not. What do you think? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 16:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I think for Wikipedia purposes it might not meet the requirements, but it does have a proven track record for accurately publishing all previous ''Glee'' titles and tracklists before other media sources. I agree it's unlikely all the tracks will make it on to the show, though it would be a shame if none of them do - I love a good Christmas song! I think with past releases it's taken the media a couple of days to a week to catch up once Tommy2 have got the titles up, so hopefully there should be some more info available in the next few days. Wondering why it's taking so long to get ''Volume 4'' out though! [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 17:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Not sure, though, because there are different faiths in ''Glee'', and there are no Hanukkah or Kwanzaa songs or anything like that. I'll wait until there are at least a few reliable sources before mentioning it in the season two or list of songs page. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm inclined to believe it, but I've checked the RS noticeboard and Tommy2 got a 'no' in 2007 and a 'borderline, only for uncontentious facts' in 2008. That said, I've done some quick Googling and a cast Christmas album was mentioned as early as [http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37242700 May], and re-confirmed by Murphy [http://entertainment.stv.tv/tv/199286-susan-boyle-glee-cameo-confirmed-by-ryan-murphy/ a few weeks ago] (with the mention of a November release date), so perhaps it could be mentioned in the season two article with Billboard as a ref for the title? I don't mind if you'd rather wait, though. This has given me a little push to finally get on with that merchandise article :) [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 21:35, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Nice work! :D Go ahead and add it! As for the tracklist, that would be considered contentious now, right? And remember to just mention November as the release date: who knows, maybe ''TBD'' is ''Volume 4'', eh, or maybe they'll be released not far apart from each other? You never know. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:42, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Frickative: you never told me about this on MSN? =O<br />
::::::Certainly exciting! [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Ooooh look: it's on [http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Glee-The-Music-The-Christmas-Album/Glee/e/886977856723 Barnes & Noble] and the [http://www.amazon.co.jp/Glee-Music-Christmas-Album-Cast/dp/B00442OCYK Japanese Amazon.com] (as an import from the US), but it's not on any other Amazon.com country sites. Release date confirmed! :) Maybe it is the same one as the "TBD" one on Amazon.com? Can't know for sure, though. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:38, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::A Christmas episode is confirmed! http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/10/20/ask-ausiello-spoilers-glee-desperate-30-rock/ but nothing about songs or the album is. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fun? ==<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=We_R_Who_We_R&action=history Isnt this fun?] Are you enjoying it as much as i am? [[Image:Confused-tpvgames.gif|20px]] - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 20:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:omfg shoot me now. or them. not sure which one. i really like your way of adding information and then quickly reverting it haha. ensures well-referenced additions are made as sources come out so time won't be wasted trying to compile it all at a later date, as well as keeps page redirected. :P [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hahahah, thank you. I do it that way because each time i add a ref, the article slowly gets bigger and i archive every reference so its easier for maintenance. And omfg, can you please read rules before you edit, i knew this article was going to be a b***h but i didnt think it would be this much of a pain, though im extremely surprised no one has changed [[Cannibal (EP)]] to a studio album, which im quite happy about. - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 21:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think it's pretty much standard, especially with the discussion at ''[[The Fame Monster]]'' lol. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Why? ==<br />
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Why do you get soo offended when i call you an airhead? It isn't even offensive!! I love them, they always make me laugh and i try and befriend them LOL!!!!!!! (real life obv) god knows why you find it offensive, and blocked me before due to it. jeez.[[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You clearly are offended...and omg, even you can admit following the "five pillars" is sad, seriously, come on now! From what i know of you, you're not a very nice person, and all what you say comes across as being very snotty...[[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Go ahead then![[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee Cast Discog ==<br />
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We ought to consider a change here. If we continue with the page as it now is, that "Singles" section is going to become pages and pages long by the time Season 3 finishes. I'm going to chat with Frickative about this as well, but maybe we ought to break it into seasons, or even half-seasons, and forget the year? Maybe in seasons, we can then identify the episode for each song or something in place of the year (putting episode at the end of the table). This is a unique situation here and having 200 singles in a chart like this is something that you'll rarely see on a discography; even [[George Strait]], the most popular man in country music I think, has 50 #1 singles and won't have as many singles overall as Glee will after this season (if not already; he has 88 singles overall listed here and it's already broken into decades). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You have a very good point haha. I just finished browsing the [http://toolserver.org/~enwp10/bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&projecta=Discography&namespace=&pagename=&quality=&importance=&score=&limit=2185&offset=1&sorta=Importance&sortb=Quality 2,185 discography pages], and as you may have seen already, many are broken into albums and singles (and sometimes posthumous) discographies, with Michael Jackson's albums discography even being divided into [[Michael Jackson albums discography (certifications and sales)]] and [[Michael Jackson albums discography (peak chart positions)]], with [[Michael Jackson albums discography]] remaining as a page. Browsing extensive singles discographies, though, we have [[The Beach Boys discography|The Beach Boys]] (> 100), [[Dolly Parton discography|Dolly Parton]] (106), [[David Bowie discography|David Bowie]] (108), [[Rod Stewart discography|Rod Stewart]] (109), [[Barbra Streisand discography|Barbra]] (117), [[Stevie Wonder discography|Stevie Wonder]] (~125), [[Ray Charles discography|Ray Charles]] (127), [[Elton John discography|Elton]] (128), [[Aretha Franklin discography|Aretha]] (131), [[Celine Dion singles discography|Céline]] (137), [[Elvis Presley international hit singles|Elvis]] (~200), and the most is probably [[Frank Sinatra discography|Frank Sinatra (297)]]. None of these are divided in separate pages, though most are divided in decades. The Ol' Blue Eyes discography has divided its singles into the record labels (which we can't do), and then into years. Like you said, I think seasons is the best way to do this. Maybe pages like [[Glee Cast albums discography|''Glee'' Cast albums discography]], [[Glee Cast singles discography (season 1)|''Glee'' Cast singles discography (season 1)]], [[Glee Cast singles discography (season 2)|''Glee'' Cast discography (season 2)]], and then other charted songs can go in the singles discographies of the respective seasons? I think we should wait first, though, until the second season is over, because only then can we accurately judge page growth; they did say the second season was going to have fewer songs, eh? The first thirteen episodes of the first season were slow in singles (4, 3, 2, 1, 4, 3, 4, 3, 5, 6, 6, 3, 4 [+ [[Last Christmas|1]], [[Karaoke|5]]]), but then things really picked up in the back nine (5, 7, 5, 5, 5, 4, 5, 6, [[Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals|0]]). So far the second season has been averaging six (5, 6, 7, 6, [[Glee: The Music, The Rocky Horror Glee Show|0]]) and it has fluctuated, so we can't really tell if they're increasing or decreasing from this point. The cast of ''Glee'' has currently released 119 singles, though only 112 are in the table (with 6 other charted songs in its own table). I think we should wait, though, after two seasons have aired, before actually dividing any pages. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You know what? After going through all those discography pages, I have to say the ''Glee'' Cast one is actually pretty short lol. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:42, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I'm all right with keeping everything as one page. If we were to change anything into multiple pages, I'd say have a [[Glee Cast Season 1 Discography]] page and a [[Glee Cast Season 2 Discography]], keep the albums (even the EPs) where they are, and have the singles only on the season page. Otherwise, we leave the entire page alone but break the page at "Good Vibrations" (listed last in the ''Funk'' episode), give that now-ended section a '''Season 1''' sub-header, then put a new header in below and continue charting for Season 2.<br />
::Again, I'll ask Frickative her opinion as well. I worked with her to get the Season 1 article to FL status, and I know she's GAed a lot of episode articles, so I highly value her opinion as well. I see her on MSN as I type, so I'll poke her right now. =D [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Hahaha alright; I highly value her opinion as well. :P For naming conventions, though, I don't think [[Glee Cast Season 1 Discography]] would work, as that would imply the artist name is "Glee Cast Season 1", which it isn't. If you look at Olivia Newton-John's singles templates, they're divided into [[Template:ONJSingles1|Olivia Newton-John singles (1971-1990)]] and [[Template:ONJSingles2|Olivia Newton-John singles (1992-present/Other singles)]], so I think the parenthetical notation is the preferred method, like it was done for the MJ discography. I think I agree with you on the season split; I think I will do that. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:20, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I'll be happy to do it, I already have an idea in mind for how it could look. =) Let's get her opinion first tho.; she's looking through some FL discogs ATM. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:23, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Oh sorry; I already [[WP:BOLD|went ahead and did it]]. Is that what you were thinking? Or something different? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's part of it! I also had a couple of other changes I was thinking about. I'm going to use my [[User:CycloneGU/Sandbox|userspace]] to play with it a bit and show you what I have in mind. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::(multiple edit conflict later :p) Hey! I think at this point in time I agree with keeping everything in one article (obviously we can reconsider in the future if things keep growing exponentially) and just splitting the singles up by season. Perusing the lengthier featured discographies it seems they're either split up by decade or a specific "era", which in ''Glee'' terms given the massive output is probably the equivalent of a season. The way it's been split now looks good to me :) There have been some [[WP:ACCESS]] changes lately that means some of the code for the tables needs tweaking - I think the biggest change is having the title column first rather than the year, but that's a minor issue that doesn't affect this discussion. [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 14:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Yeah, there are new [[WP:DISCOGSTYLE]] guidelines to satisfy the [[WP:ACCESS]] part of [[WP:MoS]] (for example, I've already converted the discography at [[Bruno Mars]]), and I'm going to get around to that soon! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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See my [[User:CycloneGU/Sandbox|sandbox]] as I've started making one suggested change. I've only done two episodes so far on the first season, but if this is a good change I can continue for the entire season. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: *poke* I saw you active at the other discussion I started, I'm waiting for your opinion on this before I add additional edits in my userspace. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Well just to let you know, the layout's gonna change to be something like what you see at [[Rihanna discography]], with the song title (most important part) coming first. Maybe it can be at the end? I'm not sure if you should have them; we originally had them, but they were removed for some reason, I think because discographies don't normally have that (for example, see [[Hannah Montana discography|''Hannah Montana'' discography]]), although I don't know. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 18:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Yup, I know that I reverted the addition of episode titles at some point, though that was several months ago, and my rationale was that it's not a standard facet of discographies. It also possibly creates some redundancy with the song lists. That said, however, I can see that it could be useful information, as ''Glee'' is in the rather unique position of essentially having a soundtrack to each episode, so it could be pertinent to note which came from where? I don't really mind either way - perhaps it would be okay if the episodes were moved to the far end column, so they could be easily removed if it became a problem in future? [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 19:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Frickative has now made that change in my sandbox copy. It now more closely resembles the Rihanna discography you link to. The only difference is that Certifications is absent; basically, the uniqueness of "Glee Cast" might allow us to include the extra column for this one, because each episode is its own "album" in a sense. The exceptions are the third and fourth episodes, which had releases totalling 2 and 1 respectively.<br />
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::::We can also wipe out Sales and replace it with Certifications if there are any, but I don't think there are (except perhaps for "Don't Stop Believin'"). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 00:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Great job! Thanks, Frickative; I was just about to do that, and you saved me a lot of time! :D If you don't mind, I will continue the rest of the episode name additions, and yes, I believe the sales column should be replaced with certifications: there are a couple! [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm thinking of removing the album column from the second season singles table, because they are all non-album singles. What do you think? Or would you like that information to remain there for people to know they aren't from any album? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Leave the Albums section in. We have to have an album tracklist sooner or later.<br />
::::::I wonder if we can also add the Christmas album to the albums listings BTW, without a link since we only have one supposedly unreliable source (which has proven for this purpose quite reliable, mind) so far? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Already added lol. (B&N) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 02:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I see that now. =)<br />
::::::::Should we put the new Singles layout into the article now? I'll be happy to transpose it in, just gotta be sure we don't erase something from the current article version in error in the transfer. Otherwise, it can stay in my Sandbox for further tweaks. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think it's ready to transfer now. :) I just left out the years from the season 2 songs because the heading is already 2010&ndash;present, but do you think we should add them for consistency? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I completely missed that column. Do we really need that in there? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Well we definitely will when episodes air in the new year, so we might as well, right? And just to keep it consistent within both tables. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::I meant in the first table as well. We're branching it into seasons, and therefore it will take place from 2009-2010 with releases assumed somewhat chronologically. Therefore, why are we including that column? I think this is a rare situation where we can avoid using that column because with 86 singles in a two year span it's kinda redundant. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
{{od}}Well to show which singles were released in each year, right? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, I know that. But again, does it matter? We know it was released during Season 1, a period which (with exception to the pilot in May) took place in a span of less than a full year. Season 1 is already by itself now, and Season 2 as well. We've just made the year redundant. Either that or we mash it back together and keep the year column in. Personally, I prefer the split and the year omitted.<br />
:Also, from [[Wikipedia:DISCOGSTYLE|DISCOGSTYLE]], the end of the policy has the rule, "Ignore all rules". While I'm not exactly doing that, it states "...if there is a reasonable justification for deviating from the above guidelines to most accurately or appropriately document an artist's <nowiki>[e.g. cast's]</nowiki> body of work, then ignore all the rules and go with what's best for the article." This is what I think is best for the article, get the year column outta there. It's not necessary.<br />
:I'm curious about Frickative's thoughts on the matter, hopefully she will chip in after getting some sleep. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Haha omg don't even talk to me about sleep. Sounds good, though; as long as we discussed it, and in case it comes up during peer review or FL nom (which i hope to see this page go to!). =) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Heehee, I helped get one page there, I'd love to see another get there (though in this case you have a big hand in getting it there!). The challenge will become updating it during all of the nominating with new figures and such, and while the mid-season break gives a chance for just reviewing and fixing stuff, the second half of the season (and season 3) will start introducing possible changes and could throw the page out of FL. Hopefully we can get it there and keep it there! =D [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:29, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Well that shouldn't be hard, right? New figures are easily accessible on ''Billboard'' and all second season peaks are updated with reliable references, with the exception of two ARIA peaks (we need to wait until the Pandora Archive has those). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Well, I see you omitted year now. =) After Frickative comments on the page in the morning or whenever, we'll look into transferring it back to the Glee page in updated form. Wanna give her a chance to comment first. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Sounds good! Imma go to bed now or I will miss orgo chem in the morning. Good night + ttyl! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
{{od}}One more thing I'm noticing. I didn't copy "Other Singles" and am debating how to treat that one. Since it's a thing that all non-single songs will go into without a split, that one would need the year. Either that or we can split those as well into each section with the same sub-header each time, but that might be too much.<br />
I may leave it for your judgment, but I'll think about it for a bit. I'm back on the job searching prowl today and won't be here all day, but will be for a bit. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 13:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Gooood morning/afternoon/evening... whenever :p Re: other charted songs... my current thinking iiiiis to leave it as one section (it's relatively small, if there were dozens of songs there it would probably be a different matter), and hm, I think it's okay to have dates there. It might be a slight inconsistency with the season singles tables, but given the sheer multitude of singles there, repeating the same date up to 30 times seems redundant and better covered through the date range in the section header. With the other songs, as there are only a handful of entries, redundancy isn't so much of an issue. I hope that makes sense. The edited singles tables in the sandbox now look great to me, happy to see them transferred into the mainspace :) [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 15:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Tables imported, the other songs chart is fixed up a bit, Frickative is doing a little more on it but I put episodes in there as well for that consistency and put in the scope bits (which I'm learning about just today while editing). Off to job searching. We need a new source for Jessie's Girl certifications, apparently the reference name wasn't valid. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I fixed that; sorry, my fault. It's all good now; looks great! Good luck with the hunt! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::So I've added a bit of background information about the performers and the music of ''Glee'' in the lead; seems to be what they are looking for in FLs (examples [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lady Gaga discography/archive1|here]] and [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Kesha discography/archive1|here]]). I've also added [[non-breaking space]]s and added the ''Glee'' task force banner to the task force; thought it was already added, but I guess not (unsure about whether to rate top or high, though... maybe high?). Anything else you guys think needs fixing or work on? Some wording, maybe? I'll look at some FLs tomorrow(today) and see if there's anything specific with the refs that might need some minor tweaking (for example with work vs. publisher). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sam Tsui ==<br />
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Hey! I recently made a few changes to the Sam Tsui page which were undone, and would just like to explain a few of them before attempting to re-edit them. And just as a disclaimer, I'm not sure how this is supposed to be handled, but I actually AM Sam Tsui and was simply intending to update the article and also just make it more coherent and easy to understand. For example, saying "using multiple pitch variations...ranging from tenor to baritone" is actually somewhat nonsensical as relates to the MJ Medley, which is (as KurtHugoSchneider's Youtube channel states) is an SATB arrangement; namely the top part is considered soprano, and the bottom bass. Removing the "labels" section of the information box was simply because while there were digital releases through Sh-k-Boom and Mudhut, "Sam Tsui" is not actually signed to these labels, so that's incorrect. Saying "former" member of the Duke's Men of Yale IS in fact verified on their website by virtue of his no longer being on the roster of active singers. Adding other popular videos such as the Love the Way You Lie Mashup or Lady Gaga Medley are again simply derived directly from the Youtube channel, which is already sourced several times throughout the article. I certainly wished to remove "American Baritones" from the list of categories because this is simply not true - baritone is a classification of a kind of male voice, and one really shouldn't be considered both a tenor and baritone, even if he sings in the ranges of both. Similarly, tenor as a category generally includes classical male singers, which I (Tsui) am not. Changing Chinese to half-Chinese, again, is just a matter of fact. And as the source myself, I guess I'm confused as to how i can make this simple factual change. In general, I guess I'm just asking how I can get some of these changes through without always having the article be reverted. Many thanks, Sam. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samtsui.music|contribs]]) 08:30, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
::::Thanks for your hasty response - I don't intend to be difficult, but a few things. One: The arrangement IS in fact SATB, as it clearly states on the video for the page itself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12QVtuB0_Q, "To download the sheet music PDF (in SATB) for this song:" The pdf itself, which is available there, is written in SATB - and again, an arrangement is considered SATB if it is written as such, regardless of what kind of voice is singing it. A tenor is entirely capable of singing such an arrangment, with it still being considered SATB. So I would love to be able to change this, as the source itself defines the arrangement as SATB. Secondly, in that very Duke's Men website you linked to, "Sam Tsui" is NOT on the roster of active singers, but is listed as "class of '11", as an alumnus. Third, I must emphasize that it's misleading to list Mudhut and Sh-ka-Boom under "labels", as there is in fact no verifiable source that Tsui is signed to these labels, but merely engaged in Digital Releases. In fact, the Youtube channel lists Tsui as "unsigned" which I believe is amore verifiable source. Thanks! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samtsui.music|contribs]]) 17:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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::::Okay, first of all "using multiple pitch variations" make little to no sense from an a cappella singing/musical standpoint. The article quoted is not only uncited (and unsourced, as neither myself or Kurt were interviewed), but the article itself contains a number of sentences written in English with incredibly poor grammar, so to quote this phrase specifically (which is non-idiomatic English) seems inappropriate. Secondly, a male is absolutely capable of singing an SATB arrangement - check out Chanticleer, or any number of groups containing male sopranos or altos. If a piece is arranged SATB, then even if a male is singing it, it remains an SATB arrangement. "Ranging from baritone to tenor" certainly does not make sense, as there is not even a baritone part in the arrangement, and the lowest part is in fact bass. Again, I do not mean to be difficult, but this is a minor edit that would make this piece of information more clear. I guess as regards the Duke's Men, will I at least be able to change "member" to "former member" as of 2011? I guess the difficulty I'm finding is that I'll of course always be listed as a "Duke's Man class of 2011", but I think it would be misleading to call me a member of the Duke's men, say, years after i'm no longer attending Yale or singing with them. Again, these are not huge deals, but would be nice to make clearer [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]]) 17:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, I'm not suggesting that Tsui IS either a soprano or alto - but the the verifiable truth is that he performs an SATB arrangement, which is both true and verifiable from the pdf arrangement itself. Part of what makes the video unique is the fact that he DOES in fact perform the parts which would usually be sung be women and other voice parts - thus, he is a tenor PERFORMING an entire SATB ARRANGEMENT. Again, "tenor to baritone" really does not make sense. [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]]) 20:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Jessica Mauboy discography ==<br />
Its already been set for a November 5 release. Sony have been telling fans on her facebook, mypsace, Twitter, in the media, they've done adds for it on iTunes and yesterday they released a snippet of all songs off the album. I don't think it'll be delayed. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 22:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazon release dates ==<br />
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You have to be very careful with iTunes and Amazon. In the UK singles are released on Sunday or Monday to make the most of the chart week which runs from Sunday to Sunday. (its different to the US and Australia). However for pre-releases Amazon nearly always had multiple dates. Below the track list it usually has a section which says release date and genre etc. If you scroll to the top of the page there's a blue box in the left-hand corner that says "This album/single will be available on October 24, 2010". -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 20:12, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Why does it say the release date ''and'' the original release date are the twenty-first? :S [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Amazon always does that because 21 October will be the date it goes active in Ireland as Irish singles are released on Fridays to coincide with their chart week. Its very confusing but I can assure you that if you tried to buy the single on the 21 you wouldn't be able to because its not going to active till October 24. -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 23:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
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I thought I had added references to specific episodes. I generally do so, but in this case maybe I skipped a step. Apologies, and thanks for the kind note. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, I have a username, and usually forget to log in. And I have had numerous IP addresses too. I cannot keep track of them all. If I do log in, it is as Qermaq, and I have extensive experience in a similar MediaWiki environment elsewhere but that was years ago. I try to adhere to standards, but you are probably aware that a dabbler is at a disadvantage because knowing every standard requires being up to date in the loop. I just try to be fair, correct, and use my best judgment and normally that's enough! Good talking to you. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Oh hey, re: the change you mentioned - the sources are already in the article. Read later in the paragraph, what I changed was already sourced but was not completely changed. I was just gnoming - I don't see how I could have made it more clear, advice is always welcome. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Featured Artist? ==<br />
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I remember reading somewhere once that it's "Guest singles" - was this a change in the last couple of years as well?<br />
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And sorry, that was my IP there...I never notice when it logs me out. -.- [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, it was you! haha i didn't realize. hmmmmm i've actually never seen it like that; i was just going by other FLs, and Swift is the featured artist on those singles. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, I fully agree she's featured artist; I actually heard the one song today! I found in the history the person who changed it back yesterday and left a [[User talk:Ipodnano05#Comment Regarding This Edit|note]] on the talk page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh, okay. Yeah, I actually [[WP:BOLD|changed it to be in a separate table myself]] a couple of months ago, but was shot down, and when I brought the discussion to the talk page, the idea wasn't welcomed. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:35, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Wait a second - they shot down the correct treatment? I would argue vehemently that "Half of My Heart" is a John Mayer single, not a Taylor Swift single. The treatment being applied is now correct and anyone who wants to give a different opinion can't really refute that. Separate tables are correct. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:37, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm glad you agree. I think someone used the argument that it passed FL without that being raised as a concern, but that doesn't mean the article is perfect. Actually, if you ask me, the article should be demoted from FL; it is not representative of Wikipedia's best work and is unsourced in some areas (which FLs never should be). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Maybe we can work on that and simply remove unsourced material that we can't find a source for? Maybe I'll study this one for a while; Glee is pretty drab this week with no new episode. I'm gone allday 2morrow, tho.<br />
::::::I've also [[Talk:Taylor Swift discography#Yes, Please|revived]] the discussion on the talk page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I see that! Well, first of all none of the peaks for featured singles are sourced. Also, the peak for "Crazier" in the UK is not referenced, no ref for ''Fearless'' peak in Germany, no ref for ''Taylor Swift'' peak in the UK, no ref for "Breathless" CAN peak (it is actually incorrect, according to the allmusic source), and "Jump Then Fall" and "Crazier" Australian peaks are not referenced. Pretty bad for an FL. I'm disappointed. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::After I do my Facebook gaming, I'll take a look at some of these if I can figure out good places to find them. AllMusic I tend to use for some rating information, in fact, so if the one is wrong I can change it. But I'd rather have an actual chart source even so. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Looks like you found some sources (and the gaming is going strange, I'm chasing ghosts in Frontierville now and have to harvest Pumpkins), and the person I left a note for does want to try to help. Go ahead and watch my talkpage, I've said to carry on the discussion there and it lets you also keep tabs since I'm gone during the day 2morrow. If you want to make another arrangement (such as your talk page), I'll let you get in touch with him under my last post there, but I don't mind hosting the discussion and helping a bit myself. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[User:Alan H Barnett]] ==<br />
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The above account has been reported to vandalism notice board and should be indeff blocked shortly. [[Special:Contributions/Active_Banana|''Active'']] [[User:Active Banana|<font color="orange">'''Banana</font>''']] [[User talk:Active Banana|<font color="orange">(<sup>''bananaphone''</sup></font>]] 18:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Thank You==<br />
Thank you for correcting me about the use of the "m" (minor edit) button. I guess I lent too much elasticity to the term...I have corrected my mistake. Thank you Yves! :-) (mango 21:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC))<br />
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== Personal Attack? ==<br />
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I did not attack the person, just said don't be dumb. There is a difference. Don't overreact, and also don't post beginner templates on my wall [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 21:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Alright, i respectfully disagree, but whatever. Anyways, the album booklet does not have times, but its on the CD. Do I use the same template? Booklet has lyrics and the "hidden messages". Also all those notes that I am not going to add in because its way too tedious. [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 21:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you. Also the times are different (shorter than songs actually are. ie [[Mine (song)]] is listed at 3:50. different from what is listed and time one Itunes, which are already one second off. Is the album considered correct or the times on the disc?) [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 22:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
:::i mean the times listed on the disc/album are different than their length in iTunes OR their length in the Article. As in the CD says 3:50 for Mine; article says 3:51, and (my) iTunes says 3:52. which one is considered accurate? [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 22:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yvesnimmo&diff=392296184User talk:Yvesnimmo2010-10-22T22:03:37Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* Personal Attack? */</p>
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== Bruno Mars ==<br />
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I removed it because in my book, it's redundant and irrelevant. I don't ever use the format field when creating or revamping a discography. [[User:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|EnDaLeCoMpLeX]] ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|talk]]) 22:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Like I said, I don't like using it. It makes tables to large in areas where it doesn't need to be. So basically I highly dislike the use of the format field in discographies. [[User:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|EnDaLeCoMpLeX]] ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|talk]]) 20:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Umm I think I saw it on a discussion with EPs that if an EP is less than 5 songs, it may chart on the singles chart. Like in the US, it may chart on the Hot Singles Sales chart. In the UK however, it is just listed in with the UK Singles Chart. When I first saw that it had charted there, I, too, was pretty confused, but then I remembered the discussion. <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 14:35, 18 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== KEsha ==<br />
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Please be careful when changing content. You recently moved the notes section and added My First Kiss peak in Germany. Both edits have been reverted. The Notes were moved per FL comment and according to [http://musicline.de/de/chartverfolgung_summary/artist/3oh!3/single this link] My First Kiss has not charted. Thank You :) - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 18:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, I didn't know about the Notes part, sorry! As for "My First Kiss" ft. Ke$ha charting in Germany: well it's only debuted on the charts this week at #38 (sources here: [http://www.viva.tv/charts/viva-top-100-kw-32-2010-42/video/?start=30&clip=38], [http://www.mtv.de/charts/germany]) and [http://www.charts.de/search.asp?extended=1&cat=s&artist=&artist_search=starts&title=My+First+Kiss&title_search=starts a search for "My First Kiss" on charts.de] shows that it has charted, but not within the top five (a.k.a. "premium members content"). It's probably gonna be on musicline.de sometime soon, but I'll leave it out for now, since there are no legit sources (yet!). Thanks so much for letting me know! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 19:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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You have talkback on my page. Im not aware if your "watching" my page for a reply or not so i thought id let you know :) - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 07:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== List of songs in Glee ==<br />
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Hey! I don't know whether you've seen, but [[Glee (season 1)]] passed FL :D Over on the [[Wikipedia talk:Featured topic questions#Glee (season 1) good topic|Good Topic talkpage]], [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]] has suggested that we should try and include the season's musical articles as well as episodes in a GT nom, which would entail pushing the five album/EP articles and the concert tour up to GA, and the song list (which is probably about ready for splitting into separate season 1 and 2 lists) to FL. With the latter in mind, I've found that [[List of songs in Guitar Hero]] and its sequels are about the only comparable existing FLs. I think over time, the Glee song list has grown more elaborate and possibly less functional, and that simplifying and modelling it a little more after the Guitar Hero example might be beneficial. Particularly I think that making it sortable would be a good way to go. As a major contributor to the article, I wanted to consult you before making any changes, and to see what we can come up with. I'm playing about with it a bit in [[User:Frickative/List of songs in Glee (season 1)|a sandbox]] so you can see roughly what I'm thinking, and I'm eager to hear your thoughts :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 18:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hey there! That sounds perfect! I just saw the sandbox page you started, and it looks amazing! Must have taken so much time, so props to you! And yes, I would very much be interested in promoting those articles to (at least) GA. Sorry I haven't responded about ''Glee: The Music, Volume 1''; I got busy with some other things. Alright, now we have something to work towards! I will definitely contribute, and love the idea to split the song list into seasons, and then just make the original article a disambiguation page. Go ahead! :D [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 07:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:The information I was adding DID have a reliable source, I was adding it when my information got wiped out! And I don't appreciate being patronized![[User:SPNic|SPNic]] ([[User talk:SPNic|talk]]) 19:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 2010 MTV Video Music Awards ==<br />
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Who are you to decide what's a reliable source or not. I stated my legitimate source so therefore you have no right to take it down. In no way are you above me so you have no right to assume so. Thank You. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Teairra989|Teairra989]] ([[User talk:Teairra989|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Teairra989|contribs]]) 19:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== September 2010 ==<br />
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== Katy perry teenage dream cover ==<br />
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well, i am not blind... i bought the deluxe edition of the album, and that is the one without the title. please go to google and look for the cd on the hmv group. see the deluxe cover and the standard cover, thank you. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Salgado96|Salgado96]] ([[User talk:Salgado96|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Salgado96|contribs]]) 15:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
::To sort the issue once and for all I've brough the discussion up '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Teenage_Dream_%28Katy_Perry_album%29#Cover.2C_text_vs._no_text here]'''. Please not that unless there is a general consensus and agreement that the inclusion of two covers is correct only one cover should remain at the article. -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 14:39, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== RE: Britney Glee "Me Against The Music Source ==<br />
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http://www.bscreview.com/2010/08/britney-spears-glee-pics/ - Spears and "Brittany" performing "Me Against The Music" - source. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.102.199.46|94.102.199.46]] ([[User talk:94.102.199.46|talk]]) 22:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== RE:Auto-Tune ==<br />
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Looks like you may be right according to the Wiki article. However a proper noun is a noun representing unique entities (such as London, Jupiter, or Toyota). But auto-tune is generic and is not a specific type of auto-tune technology or instrument. Also auto-tuned is a verb, and verbs are capitalized. Auto-Tuned? <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 20:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Katy ==<br />
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Ok, but this single has already the single cover, [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firework_%28can%C3%A7%C3%A3o_de_Katy_Perry%29 see here] and will relase betimes. And for this, has many source that. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 00:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Ok. The time that say the true. And betimes means ready, soon, etc. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 00:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry, but my english is not so good, but i will to Canadá and improve it. I intend live here one day and know the Avril Lavigne (is my dream). In Brazil she is only success since 2002 until now. Returning the subject, the article's Katy Perry in wiki-pt has many sources that confirms the notice is true, and not speculation. I know that here has rigid rules. But that article is good. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 17:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee - Britney Spears related singles ==<br />
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I work at Tommy2.net and have access to password protected press sites such as Sony, and they updated their Glee release list today with "...Baby One More Time," "I'm A Slave 4 U," "Me Against The Music," "Stronger," "The Only Exception," and "Toxic." How can i cite a reference when it's not a public website? I have included a screenshot of the actual page mentioned to support my information with blank sides cropped off so photobucket doesn't resize the image too much. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Kevin87/gleesonyreleases.jpg<br />
[[User:Kevin87|Kevin87]] ([[User talk:Kevin87|talk]]) 20:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hmmm interesting. Since, there is no way one can get to that site, I'm afraid we cannot include it in the article for now. Wikipedia has a policy called [[Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth|Verifiability, not truth]], and even if it is true, which it certainly seems to be, it is not verifiable. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== BEP ==<br />
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No prob.<br />
:Sure [[User:TBSfan1223|TBSfan1223]] ([[User talk:TBSfan1223|talk]]) 00:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Chord Overstreet]] ==<br />
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Wow, I just started writing a draft to replace the old copyvio version last night and this morning, I saw you had already finished a new article on him. If you add 200 more letters, it can be [[WP:DYK|DYK]]-ready. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 12:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Two hundred letters or two hundred words? I'll see what I can add. :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 12:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Letters. It's ready now, and I have put it up for DYK at [[Template_talk:Did_you_know#Chord_Overstreet]]. If everything checks out, it'll be on the main page in about a week. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 02:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== List of Songs in Glee (season 2) ==<br />
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I keep trying to add "Lucky," by Jason Mraz and Colbie Caillat to the list of songs for glee season 2, but you keep taking it down. it has been confirmed through source number 35 on that same page (link: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Glee-Season-2-1023350.aspx) The TV Guide article states: "When the brass section kicks in to the umpteeth take of "River Deep, Mountain High," the actors watching the performance on the monitors go wild as if its the first time they're seeing it. Michele bops her head along, mouthing the lyrics and cheering. ''''Later, after Dianna Agron, who plays Quinn, and new cast member Chord Overstreet, who plays new student Sam, perform Colbie Caillat and Jason Mraz's "Lucky," Rivera sighs dreamily. 'That was so sweet!'"'' It clearly states what song is being sung and by whom. It is definitely in episode 4 because it is being shot at the same time as "River Deep, Mountain High." If there is a reason why this cannot be added, please clarify it for me. If not, would you please re-add it to the list. Thanks! (I do not mean for any of this to sound nasty, so if it does, I apologize). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.228.31.39|24.228.31.39]] ([[User talk:24.228.31.39|talk]]) 01:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Rocky Horror Glee Show EP ==<br />
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Hey, I noticed that someone jumped the gun a bit by starting an empty ''[[Glee: The Music, The Rocky Horror Glee Show]]'' article. It got me thinking - I'm working on a draft of the [[User:Frickative/The Rocky Horror Glee Show|episode article]], and wondered whether we could combine efforts to include your userspace page on the EP as a soundtrack section. That way all the info would be available for development in the mainspace, and the EP could be split off into a separate article once there's enough coverage to make it independently notable? [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 17:06, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds great; Good idea! Let's do it! :D [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Ace! I've got a few more sources to check through before I move it to the mainspace, but I've added the soundtrack in now :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 18:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Opinion request ==<br />
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Could you give your opinon [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Discographies/style#Removal_of_.22other_charted_songs.22|here]]? Thanks in advance. <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 01:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Certainly! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey.. I know I've been pretty mean to you in the past and I just wanted to apologize to you for that - I can be a bit hot headed at times.. so I'm sorry for being mean to you. I hope you can look past it. :) <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 03:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Of course; I accept your apology! I know people get angry sometimes, and I've already forgiven you haha. Of course we'll look past it! =) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DYK for Grilled Cheesus ==<br />
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== Edit Summaries ==<br />
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Who has two thumbs and doesn't care about edit summaries? THIS GUY!!! Quit spamming my talk page kthx. --[[User:TheTruthiness|TheTruthiness]] ([[User talk:TheTruthiness|talk]]) 05:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
**<big>'''''IT'S NOT A RULE'''''</big>, I don't '''have''' to put edit summaries, I don't want to, won't. Keep it up and I'll report you for abuse. --[[User:TheTruthiness|TheTruthiness]] ([[User talk:TheTruthiness|talk]]) 05:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I replied on my talk page. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] ([[User talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]]) 17:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Congrats ==<br />
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid purple;" | I award you this for your great work on [[Nicki Minaj discography]] cleaning it up (except adding the airplay Pop Songs chart) lol! Maybe sometimes soon we can collaborate on making the article a FL, if interested. Congratulations, you deserve it! <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 21:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[ka:თარგი:მუსიკის ვიკიორდენი]]<br />
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== Beyonce Discography ==<br />
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Hi, thanks a lot. I'm happy you like my work. Henceforth, i will use the edit summary box. Don't worry, i haven't added anything contributing to vandalism. On the contrary, i am improving it. I have made the whole (practically the whole as i am still left with 4 more references) verificable. Just compare how it was before i start to work on it. Thanks a lot for your appreciation. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 08:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, thanks for your guidance. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Succession boxes ==<br />
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Hi. I see you are against the removal of succession boxes from articles for songs and albums that hit #1 on music charts. There is a discussion ongoing at [[WT:CHARTS]] and, while the general opinion seems to be against them and consensus is growing in that direction, it is valuable to have opinions from all sides. --[[User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars]] ([[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|talk]]) 10:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: October 2010 ==<br />
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Arg! I'm so frustrated with myself. I usually ALWAYS forget about that. I'll be sure to remember before I save anything. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 21:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Loud ==<br />
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No she wrote that music. She wrote '''all''' the song "Cheers", but there is a sample parts too that will remember the Avril Lavigne's songs. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Is a sample and wrote '''all''' that song. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Writting is a collaboration, you're not understanding about it. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:34, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Avril is a songwriters than album. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DYK for Chord Overstreet ==<br />
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== Ummmm... ==<br />
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Good with trying to get people to leave an edit summary on everything that is done on here. I've learned that it's not going to happen. Plus the fact you seemingly wasted your time telling me this, someone whose been editing long enough, seemed a bit condescending. No offense. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 08:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Some "minor" edits I generally don't add a summary. I add summaries for larger edits. For that specific edit, all I did was just turned the ref list into two columns.<span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 12:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::See what? <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 18:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Were looking at the references section of [[Just the Way You Are (Bruno Mars song)]]? That's what I changed to make it into two columns. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 19:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I guess something is messed up on your end. I can see it fine. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 20:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I use Firefox and that's why I'm able to see it. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 23:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help ==<br />
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{{helpme-helped}}<br />
I am trying to add the [http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582 deluxe edition of the Australian release of ''Doo-Wops & Hooligans''] to [[Doo-Wops & Hooligans|the album page]] (date: October 15, 2010; label: Warner Music), but it's messing up for some reason. This is what I'm trying to accomplish:<br />
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! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
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|France<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.fr/Doo-Wops-Hooligans/dp/B00443PTL4/|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|language=French|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.fr]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 4, 2010<br />
|[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]]<br />
|rowspan="2"|[[Music download|Digital download]]<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="AmazonUS" /><ref name="AmazonDeluxe" /><br />
|[[Atlantic Records|Atlantic]], [[Elektra Records|Elektra]]<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|Austria<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.at]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="5"|October 5, 2010<br />
|rowspan="4"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="3"|[[Compact Disc|CD]]<br />
|rowspan="3"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Canada<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.ca/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo - Wops & Hooligans: Bruno Mars|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.ca]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Germany<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.de]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Mexico<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans/id394282240|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Digital download<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="Unveils"/><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Doo-wops-Hooligans-DVD-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B0042LRTBG/|title=Doo-wops & Hooligans (CD/DVD)(Bonus Tracks) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Atlantic, Elektra<br />
|rowspan="3"|CD<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
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|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
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and it comes out as:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|France<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.fr/Doo-Wops-Hooligans/dp/B00443PTL4/|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|language=French|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.fr]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 4, 2010<br />
|[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]]<br />
|rowspan="2"|[[Music download|Digital download]]<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="AmazonUS" /><ref name="AmazonDeluxe" /><br />
|[[Atlantic Records|Atlantic]], [[Elektra Records|Elektra]]<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|Austria<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.at]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="5"|October 5, 2010<br />
|rowspan="4"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="3"|[[Compact Disc|CD]]<br />
|rowspan="3"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Canada<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.ca/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo - Wops & Hooligans: Bruno Mars|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.ca]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Germany<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.de]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Mexico<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans/id394282240|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Digital download<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="Unveils"/><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Doo-wops-Hooligans-DVD-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B0042LRTBG/|title=Doo-wops & Hooligans (CD/DVD)(Bonus Tracks) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Atlantic, Elektra<br />
|rowspan="3"|CD<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
<br />
The "Australia" and "October 15, 2010" cells are not coming out as a rowspan of 2. Am I doing something wrong here? Articles like ''[[I Am... Sasha Fierce]]'' and ''[[The Fame Monster]]'' have this done correctly, and I'm not sure why it's not working here. Thanks in advance!<br />
[[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 02:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hmm, I can't seem to get it to work either. I've been working on it for like 15 minutes and it's doing the exact same thing to me as it is to you. I even thought maybe another rowspan was off, but I can't seem to figure it out. <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::So frustrating. I don't know where I'm going wrong here. I know it's not anything to do with the references, because I even tried removing all of them (I cringed whilst doing so) and the same thing showed up in the preview. And it doesn't work when I try adding the [http://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295 Canadian deluxe edition], either. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Very strange. I don't think I've ever come across a problem like this before. Maybe try retyping it all over again? Or have you tried that already? <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 03:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, trying out something simpler. Only looking at New Zealand downward, with no rowspans:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
comes out fine as:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
and when I merge a couple of cells, it comes out great as:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|CD<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|CD<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
The problem is, though, when I try to merge the New Zealand and Australia "CD" cells:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
And I get:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
Totally not understanding why this is being colloquially stupid. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Me neither. I located the issue, as it works fine with<br />
<pre><br />
...<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|foo<br />
|bar<br />
|}<br />
</pre><br />
:so the issue is the colspan 2 for the country name. But idk how to fix it. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 04:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::The issue seems to be using colspan to merge cells for the last column you are working with ("Format" for me in the example above). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Archiving ==<br />
<br />
Have you considered [[WP:Archive|archiving]] your talk page? It's 112 KB long and has 79 topics. [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#When to condense pages|The talk page guidelines]] suggest archiving after a talk page has become larger than 50 KB, or has more than 10 main sections. Not doing so can make the page difficult to navigate and also make it difficult for users with slow Internet connections to view the page. How to archive is detailed [[WP:Archive|on the archive page]]. Cheers! <span style="font-family: Verdana">— [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <sup>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|talk]]</sup></span> 05:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, I have lol. I've just never done it before, and didn't really wanna learn how as it's never been an issue for me. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I can do it for you, if you like; I can make it 'auto-archive' things that are older than 'x' days. If you want that, just reply below, let me know how many days; 30? perhaps. Whatever you like. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Haha well sure, if you don't mind! That's very generous of you. :) And maybe not thirty; how about sixty? Question: what if, hypothetically speaking, during a sixty-day period, there are no or only a few discussions? Would it still be archived even if there are only a few sections? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 06:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::OK, I've set up this page for auto-archiving, as discussed.<br />
<br />
::::Normally, I prefer to explain how to do stuff, but in the case of archive set-up, it's easier to just do it for you. The voodoo to make it work is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yvesnimmo&diff=389839959&oldid=389839658 here]; the bot should come along within about a day and kick things off. Note the archive box at the top which, currently, will say "no archives yet (create)" - don't create anything, just let the bot do its thing.<br />
<br />
::::It's set to 60 days (60d), you might want to change that. Note that a) it won't archive very small threads or things with no sigs in (ie no date) - you can cut those yourself and paste 'em into the archive page if you want.<br />
<br />
::::And to answer your question: it is possible to specify a minimum number of threads, so it won't archive if there are less; I've set that to <nowiki>| minthreadsleft = 4</nowiki> for now.<br />
<br />
::::So - that's about it; no action required, just let the bot do its thing, and - if I've done it correctly - all should be well. If it goes wrong, of course, give me a shout. Cheers! <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Thanks, Chzz! Appreciate it! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 07:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent}}<br />
I'm really sorry, I'd done it wrong; I checked back, wondered why it didn't work, and noticed I missed out a {{xt|/}}.<br />
<br />
So, please give it ''another'' 24 hours to start. Again, sorry. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 05:52, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Haha. That's quite alright! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Looking at the bot, I think it should get to you around 20:30 UTC, so, about 10 hours from now; I'll check back of course. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yvesnimmo/Archive_1&action=history Yay], seems to be fine. I'll stop watching, so give me a shout if you ever have problems with it. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:50, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Beyonce's Fourth Studio album ==<br />
<br />
Don't you think that the time has come to create a page for Beyonce's fourth upcoming studio album? So many artist have one for their albums due 2011 such as Rihanna (Loud), Kelly Rowland (Kelly Rowland), Kanye West (Dark Twisted Mind), Young Jeezy............ [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Thanks. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Does it have a name yet? Beware of [[WP:HAMMER]]. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC) <small>(Just a comment, in passing)</small><br />
<br />
== Chronology ==<br />
<br />
"In a studio album article, the chain (for most artists) should include only other studio albums, excluding live albums and compilations; these other types can also have their own separate chains. For some artists '''it may be more appropriate''' to include all album types in one chain, but care must be taken to maintain the integrity of chains, so that when album "A" points to "B" as the next album, "B" points back to "A" as the last (previous) album."<br />
<br />
I really don't care about the chronology, but this change is only gonna cause edit wars and more discussions between other users. Plus, artists like Madonna and Michael Jackson have only one chronology. [[User:Xwomanizerx|Xwomanizerx]] ([[User talk:Xwomanizerx|talk]]) 21:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:But they don't. Michael Jackson's greatest hits / remix albums have their own separate chronology (''[[Number Ones (Michael Jackson album)|Number Ones]]'', ''[[The Ultimate Collection (Michael Jackson album)|The Ultimate Collection]]'', ''[[The Essential Michael Jackson]]'', etc.) as do Madonna's EPs (''[[Remixed Prayers]]'', ''[[The Holiday Collection (EP)|The Holiday Collection]]'', etc.). It makes more sense to have different chronologies for different album types. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 22:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== California Dreams Tour ==<br />
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Your edits to the [[California Dreams Tour]] have been reverted and quite frankly this all seems quite [[WP:LAME|redundant]] if you think about it. A country is defined as a territory of an independent nation. This [[List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe|list]] you are referencing refers to a sovereign state. A sovereign state is a grouping of nations or territories that operate under one unified government. In the case of the United Kingdom, it is the countries of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland that create the United Kingdom. I am not saying that you are wrong but to state that "England is not a country, I know what it is" is pretty absent-minded. If you would like, I do not mind creating a entry on the talk page so that other editors can weigh in on this matter. [[User:Itsbydesign|Itsbydesign]] ([[User talk:Itsbydesign|talk]]) 08:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===While it isn't fan-made...===<br />
Well , just asking, while it isn't fan-made ([[Katy Perry|Perry]]'s official twitter), it shouldn't be a reliable source? <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 16:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Honestly, I, think Perry wouldn't lie about that. But agree! [[Capitol Records|Capitol]] probably will add that information really soon in Katy's official site. Thanks for all, <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 17:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[WP:AIV]] ==<br />
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Saw that you were unsure about your report of [[User:AtomicMarcusKitten]]. In general, only pure vandals should be reported to AIV. This user seems to do quite a bit of good work, but definitely has some interaction issues. Consider making a report at [[WP:AN/I]]. Regards, '''[[User:Jujutacular|<span style="color:#006400;">Jujutacular</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jujutacular|talk]]</sup> 15:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:FYI, just saw another admin has blocked the user - we'll see if their behavior improves after the block. '''[[User:Jujutacular|<span style="color:#006400;">Jujutacular</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jujutacular|talk]]</sup> 15:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Are we removing other charted songs from the new discographies? [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 00:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Per [[WT:DISCOGSTYLE]] consensus, no. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fixing Loud Album Refs ==<br />
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I'm not use to the [[citation templates]] way of referencing but theres no rule saying you can't do it the way I did. I fixed all the refs that most of the contributors were to lazy to do. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 00:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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They way I set out the referencing was correct but the only thing I didn't use was the citation templates. Feel free to correct it, but don't be lazy and revert my editing. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 01:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I didn't say you reverted it, but if you do correct the refs, don't be lazy and revert my edits. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 01:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Stop Editing the [[T-Pain]] templete ==<br />
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The songs you are "fixing" are legit singles that have charted or are offcial singles If you're going to "fix" the templete then fix the songs, rather than deleting them.<br />
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== NO ==<br />
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I'm aware that. Please stop reverting it back so i can fix the promotional singles. There is a page for both songs that aren't redirected pages. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.173.135.8|67.173.135.8]] ([[User talk:67.173.135.8|talk]]) 00:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== October 2010 ==<br />
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[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]'''&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Template:Kesha]]. Users who [[WP:DISRUPT|edit disruptively]] or refuse to [[WP:COLLABORATE|collaborate]] with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. If unsuccessful then '''do not edit war even if you believe you are right'''. Post a request for help at an [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If edit warring continues, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing''' without further notice. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:SpigotMap|<font color="BLACK">'''Spigot'''</font>]][[User talk:SpigotMap|<font color="GRAY">Map</font>]] 14:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kesha ==<br />
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Re. [[Template:Kesha]] and the possible addition of "We R Who We R"<br />
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Please discuss this on the talk page, [[Template talk:Kesha#We R Who We R]].<br />
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Thanks, <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Other charted songs (2) ==<br />
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Okay! But what about Last Friday Night? <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Where's the reliable source that [...] T.G.I.F. charted on Hot 100? It does not appears anything on Billboard's Katy Perry archive... <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:47, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ok! ==<br />
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Thanks, appreciate your help! <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, if you could review me on my [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Pedro João|review page]], it would be nice, thanks <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 22:00, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I see you removed by addtion on 'Only Exception' by Paramore article ==<br />
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You undid my edit right?<br />
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Don't worry. Once Wikipedia removes Examiner TV from the blacklist you can't call it unreliable anymore. So if it does comeback again there. Please don't delete or undo my editing in the future on that article when it does. Thank you [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 02:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It might. I am still appealing for it to be removed. Anyways, I'll just get back to you on that one when if it does. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 02:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well I was looking all over the net for a more reliable source that is more appropriate than Examiner TV's but they all lead back to that site. I also had a look at Billboard's website but I didn't manage to find anything other than this:<br />
[http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/weekly-chart-notes-glee-kenny-chesney-phil-1004119807.story#/column/chartbeat/weekly-chart-notes-glee-kenny-chesney-phil-1004119807.story Weekly Chart Notes: 'Glee,' Kenny Chesney, Phil Collins ].<br />
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It doesn't really look like a reliable source and it makes my edit look like a POV. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 09:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Rocky Horror Glee ==<br />
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With all due respect, all Glee soundtracks for EPs thus far have been released the day the show airs. The episode airs on October 26, and I'm still surprised that iTunes shows October 19 still (as do others I think, and I only found this after making the change). See my edit summary for my initial change reason, which was, and I quote, "''Not sure if the source matches, but Glee is pre-empted Oct. 19 for baseball playoff (World Series?). Therefore, EP will be released the day the show airs (Oct. 26).''" While I have doubt in my mind now, I can't see them releasing the album a week before the episode. I think the sites just haven't been notified to push it back by a week. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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(Before replying on my talk page, see the notice there and please honour it by replying here. I will be watching this page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC))<br />
:I understand why you may be sceptical, but ''Glee'' soundtracks have been known to be released before the airing of episodes with respective tracks: ''Volume 3 Showstoppers'' was released before "Theatricality" and "Funk" aired, ''Volume 2'' before "Sectionals", and ''Volume 1'' before "Wheels". I couldn't tell you for certain why they're releasing it a week early, but October 19, 2010 is what is shown by [http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/glee-the-music-the-rocky-horror-glee-show-in-stores-october-19-103922393.html FOX's official press release], [http://www.gleethemusic.com/us/music/glee-music-rocky-horror-glee-show-0 the ''Glee'' Cast's official website], [http://www.sonymusicdigital.com/glee/details/5693178?current_country=US the Sony Music store], [http://itunes.apple.com/preorder/glee-the-music-the-rocky-horror/id395337246 the iTunes Store], [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0046756O8/ Amazon.com], [http://hmv.ca/Products/Detail/597936.aspx hmv], [http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Glee-The-Music-The-Rocky-Horror-Glee-Show/Glee/e/886977964626 Barnes & Noble], [http://www.billboard.com/news/glee-announces-rocky-horror-album-details-1004117202.story ''Billboard''], and many, many other reliable sources. I don't think these could have ''all'' gotten the date wrong? Especially the stores where physical release or shipping is guaranteed to happen. Unless you have found a reliable source saying the EP will be released the twenty-sixth...? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Maybe they're making an exception for Halloween since there are only five days between the episode and Halloween? *shrug* And makes me wonder if Glee will tackle a Christmas episode; nothing has been announced one way or the other on that yet. Again, I made the edit before I found the Oct. 19 in iTunes and couldn't figure out why.<br />
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::As a side note, the Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 3 were based on multiple episodes. EPs are usually on one episode. This would be the first early '''EP''' release if it's on the 26th. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Hmmm yeah, but aside from episode accompaniment, there hasn't been much difference in promotion or sales (as can be seen by chart peaks) between the albums and the EPs. And I'm not sure about a potential Christmas episode. SuBo's supposed to guest-star and sing one of the songs from her [[The Gift (Susan Boyle album)|second album]], though. I do not believe they have started production, though. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I heard about the Susan Boyle bit, too. That will be exciting for the cast, I think. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: idol discography ==<br />
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the reason i made this page is cuz the american idol page has a discography list, so i figured id add a canadian idol discography page. also, i added american idol albums list cuz lots of albums from american idol charted in canada, so i wanted to note those too. also, im not the only 1 who edits that page. i know its not the most frequently edited page on wikipedia, but i thought i would make this page for ppl who were curious bout how good or how bad canadian idol (and some american) were doing post-show. so i dunno why y'ure makin such a big deal bout this.<br />
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== Oh boy: first IP edit; revert ==<br />
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Well, wait at most one day and I'll see you edit warrig about it, let see if the first IP still being it. BTW it is not the first. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 01:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Forget it, I see the confusion now. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 01:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I thought that you were saying to me something like "C'mon is the first IP in edit, you do not need to add PLEASE DO NOT ADD THE FAME MONSTER" (see my entire edit), that's why I said "you'll be reverting many of them tomorrow". [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 02:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee: The Music, The Christmas Album ==<br />
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Not sure if you've heard about this one yet, but someone just linked me to the tracklist at [http://tommy2.net/content/?p=18457 Tommy2]. No other sources on it at present (except a placeholder [http://www.billboard.com/album/glee-cast/glee-the-music-the-christmas-album/1456058#/album/glee-cast/glee-the-music-the-christmas-album/1456058 Billboard page]), but worth keeping an eye out for :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 15:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Interesting!! I wonder if it's the same as the "Tbd" album on Amazon.com? Neither of the two sites reveal a track listing, so I'm not sure. I certainly will keep an eye on it! Looks interesting, because I thought that album would be ''Volume 4'' and not this one. I don't know if they will sing these on the show, though... there are twelve of them, and they have never done that many in an episode. Maybe they will only include some of them, or this is just an extra Christmas release, like "Last Christmas" was (speaking of which, I wonder if that version is the one on this album). In any case, the SuBo song is probably "O Holy Night", as it's the only one on her album. I wonder why ''Billboard'' has the album up when no other retailers or news sources do... Speaking of Tommy2, I'm doubting whether it's a reliable source or not. What do you think? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 16:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I think for Wikipedia purposes it might not meet the requirements, but it does have a proven track record for accurately publishing all previous ''Glee'' titles and tracklists before other media sources. I agree it's unlikely all the tracks will make it on to the show, though it would be a shame if none of them do - I love a good Christmas song! I think with past releases it's taken the media a couple of days to a week to catch up once Tommy2 have got the titles up, so hopefully there should be some more info available in the next few days. Wondering why it's taking so long to get ''Volume 4'' out though! [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 17:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Not sure, though, because there are different faiths in ''Glee'', and there are no Hanukkah or Kwanzaa songs or anything like that. I'll wait until there are at least a few reliable sources before mentioning it in the season two or list of songs page. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm inclined to believe it, but I've checked the RS noticeboard and Tommy2 got a 'no' in 2007 and a 'borderline, only for uncontentious facts' in 2008. That said, I've done some quick Googling and a cast Christmas album was mentioned as early as [http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37242700 May], and re-confirmed by Murphy [http://entertainment.stv.tv/tv/199286-susan-boyle-glee-cameo-confirmed-by-ryan-murphy/ a few weeks ago] (with the mention of a November release date), so perhaps it could be mentioned in the season two article with Billboard as a ref for the title? I don't mind if you'd rather wait, though. This has given me a little push to finally get on with that merchandise article :) [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 21:35, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Nice work! :D Go ahead and add it! As for the tracklist, that would be considered contentious now, right? And remember to just mention November as the release date: who knows, maybe ''TBD'' is ''Volume 4'', eh, or maybe they'll be released not far apart from each other? You never know. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:42, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Frickative: you never told me about this on MSN? =O<br />
::::::Certainly exciting! [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Ooooh look: it's on [http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Glee-The-Music-The-Christmas-Album/Glee/e/886977856723 Barnes & Noble] and the [http://www.amazon.co.jp/Glee-Music-Christmas-Album-Cast/dp/B00442OCYK Japanese Amazon.com] (as an import from the US), but it's not on any other Amazon.com country sites. Release date confirmed! :) Maybe it is the same one as the "TBD" one on Amazon.com? Can't know for sure, though. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:38, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::A Christmas episode is confirmed! http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/10/20/ask-ausiello-spoilers-glee-desperate-30-rock/ but nothing about songs or the album is. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fun? ==<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=We_R_Who_We_R&action=history Isnt this fun?] Are you enjoying it as much as i am? [[Image:Confused-tpvgames.gif|20px]] - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 20:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:omfg shoot me now. or them. not sure which one. i really like your way of adding information and then quickly reverting it haha. ensures well-referenced additions are made as sources come out so time won't be wasted trying to compile it all at a later date, as well as keeps page redirected. :P [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hahahah, thank you. I do it that way because each time i add a ref, the article slowly gets bigger and i archive every reference so its easier for maintenance. And omfg, can you please read rules before you edit, i knew this article was going to be a b***h but i didnt think it would be this much of a pain, though im extremely surprised no one has changed [[Cannibal (EP)]] to a studio album, which im quite happy about. - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 21:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think it's pretty much standard, especially with the discussion at ''[[The Fame Monster]]'' lol. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Why? ==<br />
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Why do you get soo offended when i call you an airhead? It isn't even offensive!! I love them, they always make me laugh and i try and befriend them LOL!!!!!!! (real life obv) god knows why you find it offensive, and blocked me before due to it. jeez.[[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You clearly are offended...and omg, even you can admit following the "five pillars" is sad, seriously, come on now! From what i know of you, you're not a very nice person, and all what you say comes across as being very snotty...[[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Go ahead then![[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee Cast Discog ==<br />
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We ought to consider a change here. If we continue with the page as it now is, that "Singles" section is going to become pages and pages long by the time Season 3 finishes. I'm going to chat with Frickative about this as well, but maybe we ought to break it into seasons, or even half-seasons, and forget the year? Maybe in seasons, we can then identify the episode for each song or something in place of the year (putting episode at the end of the table). This is a unique situation here and having 200 singles in a chart like this is something that you'll rarely see on a discography; even [[George Strait]], the most popular man in country music I think, has 50 #1 singles and won't have as many singles overall as Glee will after this season (if not already; he has 88 singles overall listed here and it's already broken into decades). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You have a very good point haha. I just finished browsing the [http://toolserver.org/~enwp10/bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&projecta=Discography&namespace=&pagename=&quality=&importance=&score=&limit=2185&offset=1&sorta=Importance&sortb=Quality 2,185 discography pages], and as you may have seen already, many are broken into albums and singles (and sometimes posthumous) discographies, with Michael Jackson's albums discography even being divided into [[Michael Jackson albums discography (certifications and sales)]] and [[Michael Jackson albums discography (peak chart positions)]], with [[Michael Jackson albums discography]] remaining as a page. Browsing extensive singles discographies, though, we have [[The Beach Boys discography|The Beach Boys]] (> 100), [[Dolly Parton discography|Dolly Parton]] (106), [[David Bowie discography|David Bowie]] (108), [[Rod Stewart discography|Rod Stewart]] (109), [[Barbra Streisand discography|Barbra]] (117), [[Stevie Wonder discography|Stevie Wonder]] (~125), [[Ray Charles discography|Ray Charles]] (127), [[Elton John discography|Elton]] (128), [[Aretha Franklin discography|Aretha]] (131), [[Celine Dion singles discography|Céline]] (137), [[Elvis Presley international hit singles|Elvis]] (~200), and the most is probably [[Frank Sinatra discography|Frank Sinatra (297)]]. None of these are divided in separate pages, though most are divided in decades. The Ol' Blue Eyes discography has divided its singles into the record labels (which we can't do), and then into years. Like you said, I think seasons is the best way to do this. Maybe pages like [[Glee Cast albums discography|''Glee'' Cast albums discography]], [[Glee Cast singles discography (season 1)|''Glee'' Cast singles discography (season 1)]], [[Glee Cast singles discography (season 2)|''Glee'' Cast discography (season 2)]], and then other charted songs can go in the singles discographies of the respective seasons? I think we should wait first, though, until the second season is over, because only then can we accurately judge page growth; they did say the second season was going to have fewer songs, eh? The first thirteen episodes of the first season were slow in singles (4, 3, 2, 1, 4, 3, 4, 3, 5, 6, 6, 3, 4 [+ [[Last Christmas|1]], [[Karaoke|5]]]), but then things really picked up in the back nine (5, 7, 5, 5, 5, 4, 5, 6, [[Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals|0]]). So far the second season has been averaging six (5, 6, 7, 6, [[Glee: The Music, The Rocky Horror Glee Show|0]]) and it has fluctuated, so we can't really tell if they're increasing or decreasing from this point. The cast of ''Glee'' has currently released 119 singles, though only 112 are in the table (with 6 other charted songs in its own table). I think we should wait, though, after two seasons have aired, before actually dividing any pages. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You know what? After going through all those discography pages, I have to say the ''Glee'' Cast one is actually pretty short lol. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:42, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I'm all right with keeping everything as one page. If we were to change anything into multiple pages, I'd say have a [[Glee Cast Season 1 Discography]] page and a [[Glee Cast Season 2 Discography]], keep the albums (even the EPs) where they are, and have the singles only on the season page. Otherwise, we leave the entire page alone but break the page at "Good Vibrations" (listed last in the ''Funk'' episode), give that now-ended section a '''Season 1''' sub-header, then put a new header in below and continue charting for Season 2.<br />
::Again, I'll ask Frickative her opinion as well. I worked with her to get the Season 1 article to FL status, and I know she's GAed a lot of episode articles, so I highly value her opinion as well. I see her on MSN as I type, so I'll poke her right now. =D [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Hahaha alright; I highly value her opinion as well. :P For naming conventions, though, I don't think [[Glee Cast Season 1 Discography]] would work, as that would imply the artist name is "Glee Cast Season 1", which it isn't. If you look at Olivia Newton-John's singles templates, they're divided into [[Template:ONJSingles1|Olivia Newton-John singles (1971-1990)]] and [[Template:ONJSingles2|Olivia Newton-John singles (1992-present/Other singles)]], so I think the parenthetical notation is the preferred method, like it was done for the MJ discography. I think I agree with you on the season split; I think I will do that. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:20, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I'll be happy to do it, I already have an idea in mind for how it could look. =) Let's get her opinion first tho.; she's looking through some FL discogs ATM. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:23, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Oh sorry; I already [[WP:BOLD|went ahead and did it]]. Is that what you were thinking? Or something different? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's part of it! I also had a couple of other changes I was thinking about. I'm going to use my [[User:CycloneGU/Sandbox|userspace]] to play with it a bit and show you what I have in mind. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::(multiple edit conflict later :p) Hey! I think at this point in time I agree with keeping everything in one article (obviously we can reconsider in the future if things keep growing exponentially) and just splitting the singles up by season. Perusing the lengthier featured discographies it seems they're either split up by decade or a specific "era", which in ''Glee'' terms given the massive output is probably the equivalent of a season. The way it's been split now looks good to me :) There have been some [[WP:ACCESS]] changes lately that means some of the code for the tables needs tweaking - I think the biggest change is having the title column first rather than the year, but that's a minor issue that doesn't affect this discussion. [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 14:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Yeah, there are new [[WP:DISCOGSTYLE]] guidelines to satisfy the [[WP:ACCESS]] part of [[WP:MoS]] (for example, I've already converted the discography at [[Bruno Mars]]), and I'm going to get around to that soon! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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See my [[User:CycloneGU/Sandbox|sandbox]] as I've started making one suggested change. I've only done two episodes so far on the first season, but if this is a good change I can continue for the entire season. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: *poke* I saw you active at the other discussion I started, I'm waiting for your opinion on this before I add additional edits in my userspace. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Well just to let you know, the layout's gonna change to be something like what you see at [[Rihanna discography]], with the song title (most important part) coming first. Maybe it can be at the end? I'm not sure if you should have them; we originally had them, but they were removed for some reason, I think because discographies don't normally have that (for example, see [[Hannah Montana discography|''Hannah Montana'' discography]]), although I don't know. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 18:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Yup, I know that I reverted the addition of episode titles at some point, though that was several months ago, and my rationale was that it's not a standard facet of discographies. It also possibly creates some redundancy with the song lists. That said, however, I can see that it could be useful information, as ''Glee'' is in the rather unique position of essentially having a soundtrack to each episode, so it could be pertinent to note which came from where? I don't really mind either way - perhaps it would be okay if the episodes were moved to the far end column, so they could be easily removed if it became a problem in future? [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 19:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Frickative has now made that change in my sandbox copy. It now more closely resembles the Rihanna discography you link to. The only difference is that Certifications is absent; basically, the uniqueness of "Glee Cast" might allow us to include the extra column for this one, because each episode is its own "album" in a sense. The exceptions are the third and fourth episodes, which had releases totalling 2 and 1 respectively.<br />
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::::We can also wipe out Sales and replace it with Certifications if there are any, but I don't think there are (except perhaps for "Don't Stop Believin'"). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 00:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Great job! Thanks, Frickative; I was just about to do that, and you saved me a lot of time! :D If you don't mind, I will continue the rest of the episode name additions, and yes, I believe the sales column should be replaced with certifications: there are a couple! [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm thinking of removing the album column from the second season singles table, because they are all non-album singles. What do you think? Or would you like that information to remain there for people to know they aren't from any album? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Leave the Albums section in. We have to have an album tracklist sooner or later.<br />
::::::I wonder if we can also add the Christmas album to the albums listings BTW, without a link since we only have one supposedly unreliable source (which has proven for this purpose quite reliable, mind) so far? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Already added lol. (B&N) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 02:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I see that now. =)<br />
::::::::Should we put the new Singles layout into the article now? I'll be happy to transpose it in, just gotta be sure we don't erase something from the current article version in error in the transfer. Otherwise, it can stay in my Sandbox for further tweaks. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think it's ready to transfer now. :) I just left out the years from the season 2 songs because the heading is already 2010&ndash;present, but do you think we should add them for consistency? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I completely missed that column. Do we really need that in there? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Well we definitely will when episodes air in the new year, so we might as well, right? And just to keep it consistent within both tables. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::I meant in the first table as well. We're branching it into seasons, and therefore it will take place from 2009-2010 with releases assumed somewhat chronologically. Therefore, why are we including that column? I think this is a rare situation where we can avoid using that column because with 86 singles in a two year span it's kinda redundant. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
{{od}}Well to show which singles were released in each year, right? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, I know that. But again, does it matter? We know it was released during Season 1, a period which (with exception to the pilot in May) took place in a span of less than a full year. Season 1 is already by itself now, and Season 2 as well. We've just made the year redundant. Either that or we mash it back together and keep the year column in. Personally, I prefer the split and the year omitted.<br />
:Also, from [[Wikipedia:DISCOGSTYLE|DISCOGSTYLE]], the end of the policy has the rule, "Ignore all rules". While I'm not exactly doing that, it states "...if there is a reasonable justification for deviating from the above guidelines to most accurately or appropriately document an artist's <nowiki>[e.g. cast's]</nowiki> body of work, then ignore all the rules and go with what's best for the article." This is what I think is best for the article, get the year column outta there. It's not necessary.<br />
:I'm curious about Frickative's thoughts on the matter, hopefully she will chip in after getting some sleep. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Haha omg don't even talk to me about sleep. Sounds good, though; as long as we discussed it, and in case it comes up during peer review or FL nom (which i hope to see this page go to!). =) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Heehee, I helped get one page there, I'd love to see another get there (though in this case you have a big hand in getting it there!). The challenge will become updating it during all of the nominating with new figures and such, and while the mid-season break gives a chance for just reviewing and fixing stuff, the second half of the season (and season 3) will start introducing possible changes and could throw the page out of FL. Hopefully we can get it there and keep it there! =D [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:29, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Well that shouldn't be hard, right? New figures are easily accessible on ''Billboard'' and all second season peaks are updated with reliable references, with the exception of two ARIA peaks (we need to wait until the Pandora Archive has those). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Well, I see you omitted year now. =) After Frickative comments on the page in the morning or whenever, we'll look into transferring it back to the Glee page in updated form. Wanna give her a chance to comment first. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Sounds good! Imma go to bed now or I will miss orgo chem in the morning. Good night + ttyl! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
{{od}}One more thing I'm noticing. I didn't copy "Other Singles" and am debating how to treat that one. Since it's a thing that all non-single songs will go into without a split, that one would need the year. Either that or we can split those as well into each section with the same sub-header each time, but that might be too much.<br />
I may leave it for your judgment, but I'll think about it for a bit. I'm back on the job searching prowl today and won't be here all day, but will be for a bit. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 13:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Gooood morning/afternoon/evening... whenever :p Re: other charted songs... my current thinking iiiiis to leave it as one section (it's relatively small, if there were dozens of songs there it would probably be a different matter), and hm, I think it's okay to have dates there. It might be a slight inconsistency with the season singles tables, but given the sheer multitude of singles there, repeating the same date up to 30 times seems redundant and better covered through the date range in the section header. With the other songs, as there are only a handful of entries, redundancy isn't so much of an issue. I hope that makes sense. The edited singles tables in the sandbox now look great to me, happy to see them transferred into the mainspace :) [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 15:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Tables imported, the other songs chart is fixed up a bit, Frickative is doing a little more on it but I put episodes in there as well for that consistency and put in the scope bits (which I'm learning about just today while editing). Off to job searching. We need a new source for Jessie's Girl certifications, apparently the reference name wasn't valid. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I fixed that; sorry, my fault. It's all good now; looks great! Good luck with the hunt! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::So I've added a bit of background information about the performers and the music of ''Glee'' in the lead; seems to be what they are looking for in FLs (examples [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lady Gaga discography/archive1|here]] and [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Kesha discography/archive1|here]]). I've also added [[non-breaking space]]s and added the ''Glee'' task force banner to the task force; thought it was already added, but I guess not (unsure about whether to rate top or high, though... maybe high?). Anything else you guys think needs fixing or work on? Some wording, maybe? I'll look at some FLs tomorrow(today) and see if there's anything specific with the refs that might need some minor tweaking (for example with work vs. publisher). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sam Tsui ==<br />
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Hey! I recently made a few changes to the Sam Tsui page which were undone, and would just like to explain a few of them before attempting to re-edit them. And just as a disclaimer, I'm not sure how this is supposed to be handled, but I actually AM Sam Tsui and was simply intending to update the article and also just make it more coherent and easy to understand. For example, saying "using multiple pitch variations...ranging from tenor to baritone" is actually somewhat nonsensical as relates to the MJ Medley, which is (as KurtHugoSchneider's Youtube channel states) is an SATB arrangement; namely the top part is considered soprano, and the bottom bass. Removing the "labels" section of the information box was simply because while there were digital releases through Sh-k-Boom and Mudhut, "Sam Tsui" is not actually signed to these labels, so that's incorrect. Saying "former" member of the Duke's Men of Yale IS in fact verified on their website by virtue of his no longer being on the roster of active singers. Adding other popular videos such as the Love the Way You Lie Mashup or Lady Gaga Medley are again simply derived directly from the Youtube channel, which is already sourced several times throughout the article. I certainly wished to remove "American Baritones" from the list of categories because this is simply not true - baritone is a classification of a kind of male voice, and one really shouldn't be considered both a tenor and baritone, even if he sings in the ranges of both. Similarly, tenor as a category generally includes classical male singers, which I (Tsui) am not. Changing Chinese to half-Chinese, again, is just a matter of fact. And as the source myself, I guess I'm confused as to how i can make this simple factual change. In general, I guess I'm just asking how I can get some of these changes through without always having the article be reverted. Many thanks, Sam. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samtsui.music|contribs]]) 08:30, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
::::Thanks for your hasty response - I don't intend to be difficult, but a few things. One: The arrangement IS in fact SATB, as it clearly states on the video for the page itself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12QVtuB0_Q, "To download the sheet music PDF (in SATB) for this song:" The pdf itself, which is available there, is written in SATB - and again, an arrangement is considered SATB if it is written as such, regardless of what kind of voice is singing it. A tenor is entirely capable of singing such an arrangment, with it still being considered SATB. So I would love to be able to change this, as the source itself defines the arrangement as SATB. Secondly, in that very Duke's Men website you linked to, "Sam Tsui" is NOT on the roster of active singers, but is listed as "class of '11", as an alumnus. Third, I must emphasize that it's misleading to list Mudhut and Sh-ka-Boom under "labels", as there is in fact no verifiable source that Tsui is signed to these labels, but merely engaged in Digital Releases. In fact, the Youtube channel lists Tsui as "unsigned" which I believe is amore verifiable source. Thanks! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samtsui.music|contribs]]) 17:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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::::Okay, first of all "using multiple pitch variations" make little to no sense from an a cappella singing/musical standpoint. The article quoted is not only uncited (and unsourced, as neither myself or Kurt were interviewed), but the article itself contains a number of sentences written in English with incredibly poor grammar, so to quote this phrase specifically (which is non-idiomatic English) seems inappropriate. Secondly, a male is absolutely capable of singing an SATB arrangement - check out Chanticleer, or any number of groups containing male sopranos or altos. If a piece is arranged SATB, then even if a male is singing it, it remains an SATB arrangement. "Ranging from baritone to tenor" certainly does not make sense, as there is not even a baritone part in the arrangement, and the lowest part is in fact bass. Again, I do not mean to be difficult, but this is a minor edit that would make this piece of information more clear. I guess as regards the Duke's Men, will I at least be able to change "member" to "former member" as of 2011? I guess the difficulty I'm finding is that I'll of course always be listed as a "Duke's Man class of 2011", but I think it would be misleading to call me a member of the Duke's men, say, years after i'm no longer attending Yale or singing with them. Again, these are not huge deals, but would be nice to make clearer [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]]) 17:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, I'm not suggesting that Tsui IS either a soprano or alto - but the the verifiable truth is that he performs an SATB arrangement, which is both true and verifiable from the pdf arrangement itself. Part of what makes the video unique is the fact that he DOES in fact perform the parts which would usually be sung be women and other voice parts - thus, he is a tenor PERFORMING an entire SATB ARRANGEMENT. Again, "tenor to baritone" really does not make sense. [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]]) 20:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Jessica Mauboy discography ==<br />
Its already been set for a November 5 release. Sony have been telling fans on her facebook, mypsace, Twitter, in the media, they've done adds for it on iTunes and yesterday they released a snippet of all songs off the album. I don't think it'll be delayed. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 22:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazon release dates ==<br />
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You have to be very careful with iTunes and Amazon. In the UK singles are released on Sunday or Monday to make the most of the chart week which runs from Sunday to Sunday. (its different to the US and Australia). However for pre-releases Amazon nearly always had multiple dates. Below the track list it usually has a section which says release date and genre etc. If you scroll to the top of the page there's a blue box in the left-hand corner that says "This album/single will be available on October 24, 2010". -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 20:12, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Why does it say the release date ''and'' the original release date are the twenty-first? :S [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Amazon always does that because 21 October will be the date it goes active in Ireland as Irish singles are released on Fridays to coincide with their chart week. Its very confusing but I can assure you that if you tried to buy the single on the 21 you wouldn't be able to because its not going to active till October 24. -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 23:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
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I thought I had added references to specific episodes. I generally do so, but in this case maybe I skipped a step. Apologies, and thanks for the kind note. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, I have a username, and usually forget to log in. And I have had numerous IP addresses too. I cannot keep track of them all. If I do log in, it is as Qermaq, and I have extensive experience in a similar MediaWiki environment elsewhere but that was years ago. I try to adhere to standards, but you are probably aware that a dabbler is at a disadvantage because knowing every standard requires being up to date in the loop. I just try to be fair, correct, and use my best judgment and normally that's enough! Good talking to you. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Oh hey, re: the change you mentioned - the sources are already in the article. Read later in the paragraph, what I changed was already sourced but was not completely changed. I was just gnoming - I don't see how I could have made it more clear, advice is always welcome. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Featured Artist? ==<br />
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I remember reading somewhere once that it's "Guest singles" - was this a change in the last couple of years as well?<br />
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And sorry, that was my IP there...I never notice when it logs me out. -.- [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, it was you! haha i didn't realize. hmmmmm i've actually never seen it like that; i was just going by other FLs, and Swift is the featured artist on those singles. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, I fully agree she's featured artist; I actually heard the one song today! I found in the history the person who changed it back yesterday and left a [[User talk:Ipodnano05#Comment Regarding This Edit|note]] on the talk page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh, okay. Yeah, I actually [[WP:BOLD|changed it to be in a separate table myself]] a couple of months ago, but was shot down, and when I brought the discussion to the talk page, the idea wasn't welcomed. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:35, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Wait a second - they shot down the correct treatment? I would argue vehemently that "Half of My Heart" is a John Mayer single, not a Taylor Swift single. The treatment being applied is now correct and anyone who wants to give a different opinion can't really refute that. Separate tables are correct. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:37, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm glad you agree. I think someone used the argument that it passed FL without that being raised as a concern, but that doesn't mean the article is perfect. Actually, if you ask me, the article should be demoted from FL; it is not representative of Wikipedia's best work and is unsourced in some areas (which FLs never should be). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Maybe we can work on that and simply remove unsourced material that we can't find a source for? Maybe I'll study this one for a while; Glee is pretty drab this week with no new episode. I'm gone allday 2morrow, tho.<br />
::::::I've also [[Talk:Taylor Swift discography#Yes, Please|revived]] the discussion on the talk page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I see that! Well, first of all none of the peaks for featured singles are sourced. Also, the peak for "Crazier" in the UK is not referenced, no ref for ''Fearless'' peak in Germany, no ref for ''Taylor Swift'' peak in the UK, no ref for "Breathless" CAN peak (it is actually incorrect, according to the allmusic source), and "Jump Then Fall" and "Crazier" Australian peaks are not referenced. Pretty bad for an FL. I'm disappointed. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::After I do my Facebook gaming, I'll take a look at some of these if I can figure out good places to find them. AllMusic I tend to use for some rating information, in fact, so if the one is wrong I can change it. But I'd rather have an actual chart source even so. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Looks like you found some sources (and the gaming is going strange, I'm chasing ghosts in Frontierville now and have to harvest Pumpkins), and the person I left a note for does want to try to help. Go ahead and watch my talkpage, I've said to carry on the discussion there and it lets you also keep tabs since I'm gone during the day 2morrow. If you want to make another arrangement (such as your talk page), I'll let you get in touch with him under my last post there, but I don't mind hosting the discussion and helping a bit myself. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[User:Alan H Barnett]] ==<br />
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The above account has been reported to vandalism notice board and should be indeff blocked shortly. [[Special:Contributions/Active_Banana|''Active'']] [[User:Active Banana|<font color="orange">'''Banana</font>''']] [[User talk:Active Banana|<font color="orange">(<sup>''bananaphone''</sup></font>]] 18:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Thank You==<br />
Thank you for correcting me about the use of the "m" (minor edit) button. I guess I lent too much elasticity to the term...I have corrected my mistake. Thank you Yves! :-) (mango 21:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC))<br />
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== Personal Attack? ==<br />
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I did not attack the person, just said don't be dumb. There is a difference. Don't overreact, and also don't post beginner templates on my wall [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 21:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Alright, i respectfully disagree, but whatever. Anyways, the album booklet does not have times, but its on the CD. Do I use the same template? Booklet has lyrics and the "hidden messages". Also all those notes that I am not going to add in because its way too tedious. [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 21:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you. Also the times are different (shorter than songs actually are. ie [[Mine (song)]] is listed at 3:50. different from what is listed and time one Itunes, which are already one second off. Is the album considered correct or the times on the disc?) [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 22:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC).</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yvesnimmo&diff=392295348User talk:Yvesnimmo2010-10-22T21:59:30Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* Personal Attack? */</p>
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== Bruno Mars ==<br />
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I removed it because in my book, it's redundant and irrelevant. I don't ever use the format field when creating or revamping a discography. [[User:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|EnDaLeCoMpLeX]] ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|talk]]) 22:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Like I said, I don't like using it. It makes tables to large in areas where it doesn't need to be. So basically I highly dislike the use of the format field in discographies. [[User:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|EnDaLeCoMpLeX]] ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|talk]]) 20:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Umm I think I saw it on a discussion with EPs that if an EP is less than 5 songs, it may chart on the singles chart. Like in the US, it may chart on the Hot Singles Sales chart. In the UK however, it is just listed in with the UK Singles Chart. When I first saw that it had charted there, I, too, was pretty confused, but then I remembered the discussion. <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 14:35, 18 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== KEsha ==<br />
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Please be careful when changing content. You recently moved the notes section and added My First Kiss peak in Germany. Both edits have been reverted. The Notes were moved per FL comment and according to [http://musicline.de/de/chartverfolgung_summary/artist/3oh!3/single this link] My First Kiss has not charted. Thank You :) - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 18:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, I didn't know about the Notes part, sorry! As for "My First Kiss" ft. Ke$ha charting in Germany: well it's only debuted on the charts this week at #38 (sources here: [http://www.viva.tv/charts/viva-top-100-kw-32-2010-42/video/?start=30&clip=38], [http://www.mtv.de/charts/germany]) and [http://www.charts.de/search.asp?extended=1&cat=s&artist=&artist_search=starts&title=My+First+Kiss&title_search=starts a search for "My First Kiss" on charts.de] shows that it has charted, but not within the top five (a.k.a. "premium members content"). It's probably gonna be on musicline.de sometime soon, but I'll leave it out for now, since there are no legit sources (yet!). Thanks so much for letting me know! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 19:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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You have talkback on my page. Im not aware if your "watching" my page for a reply or not so i thought id let you know :) - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 07:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== List of songs in Glee ==<br />
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Hey! I don't know whether you've seen, but [[Glee (season 1)]] passed FL :D Over on the [[Wikipedia talk:Featured topic questions#Glee (season 1) good topic|Good Topic talkpage]], [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]] has suggested that we should try and include the season's musical articles as well as episodes in a GT nom, which would entail pushing the five album/EP articles and the concert tour up to GA, and the song list (which is probably about ready for splitting into separate season 1 and 2 lists) to FL. With the latter in mind, I've found that [[List of songs in Guitar Hero]] and its sequels are about the only comparable existing FLs. I think over time, the Glee song list has grown more elaborate and possibly less functional, and that simplifying and modelling it a little more after the Guitar Hero example might be beneficial. Particularly I think that making it sortable would be a good way to go. As a major contributor to the article, I wanted to consult you before making any changes, and to see what we can come up with. I'm playing about with it a bit in [[User:Frickative/List of songs in Glee (season 1)|a sandbox]] so you can see roughly what I'm thinking, and I'm eager to hear your thoughts :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 18:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hey there! That sounds perfect! I just saw the sandbox page you started, and it looks amazing! Must have taken so much time, so props to you! And yes, I would very much be interested in promoting those articles to (at least) GA. Sorry I haven't responded about ''Glee: The Music, Volume 1''; I got busy with some other things. Alright, now we have something to work towards! I will definitely contribute, and love the idea to split the song list into seasons, and then just make the original article a disambiguation page. Go ahead! :D [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 07:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:The information I was adding DID have a reliable source, I was adding it when my information got wiped out! And I don't appreciate being patronized![[User:SPNic|SPNic]] ([[User talk:SPNic|talk]]) 19:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 2010 MTV Video Music Awards ==<br />
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Who are you to decide what's a reliable source or not. I stated my legitimate source so therefore you have no right to take it down. In no way are you above me so you have no right to assume so. Thank You. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Teairra989|Teairra989]] ([[User talk:Teairra989|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Teairra989|contribs]]) 19:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== September 2010 ==<br />
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[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]'''&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:2010 MTV Video Music Awards]]. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] to work towards wording and content that gains a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If the edit warring continues, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing''' without further notice. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> <span id="sig" style="background:#FFFFC0">'''[[User:Giftiger_wunsch|<font face="Verdana" color="#900000">Giftiger<font color="#FF0000">Wunsch</font></font>]]''' [[User_talk:Giftiger wunsch|<font face="Tahoma" color="#0060A0">[TALK]</font>]]</span> 20:01, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Katy perry teenage dream cover ==<br />
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well, i am not blind... i bought the deluxe edition of the album, and that is the one without the title. please go to google and look for the cd on the hmv group. see the deluxe cover and the standard cover, thank you. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Salgado96|Salgado96]] ([[User talk:Salgado96|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Salgado96|contribs]]) 15:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
::To sort the issue once and for all I've brough the discussion up '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Teenage_Dream_%28Katy_Perry_album%29#Cover.2C_text_vs._no_text here]'''. Please not that unless there is a general consensus and agreement that the inclusion of two covers is correct only one cover should remain at the article. -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 14:39, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== RE: Britney Glee "Me Against The Music Source ==<br />
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http://www.bscreview.com/2010/08/britney-spears-glee-pics/ - Spears and "Brittany" performing "Me Against The Music" - source. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.102.199.46|94.102.199.46]] ([[User talk:94.102.199.46|talk]]) 22:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== RE:Auto-Tune ==<br />
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Looks like you may be right according to the Wiki article. However a proper noun is a noun representing unique entities (such as London, Jupiter, or Toyota). But auto-tune is generic and is not a specific type of auto-tune technology or instrument. Also auto-tuned is a verb, and verbs are capitalized. Auto-Tuned? <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 20:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Katy ==<br />
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Ok, but this single has already the single cover, [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firework_%28can%C3%A7%C3%A3o_de_Katy_Perry%29 see here] and will relase betimes. And for this, has many source that. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 00:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Ok. The time that say the true. And betimes means ready, soon, etc. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 00:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry, but my english is not so good, but i will to Canadá and improve it. I intend live here one day and know the Avril Lavigne (is my dream). In Brazil she is only success since 2002 until now. Returning the subject, the article's Katy Perry in wiki-pt has many sources that confirms the notice is true, and not speculation. I know that here has rigid rules. But that article is good. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 17:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee - Britney Spears related singles ==<br />
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I work at Tommy2.net and have access to password protected press sites such as Sony, and they updated their Glee release list today with "...Baby One More Time," "I'm A Slave 4 U," "Me Against The Music," "Stronger," "The Only Exception," and "Toxic." How can i cite a reference when it's not a public website? I have included a screenshot of the actual page mentioned to support my information with blank sides cropped off so photobucket doesn't resize the image too much. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Kevin87/gleesonyreleases.jpg<br />
[[User:Kevin87|Kevin87]] ([[User talk:Kevin87|talk]]) 20:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hmmm interesting. Since, there is no way one can get to that site, I'm afraid we cannot include it in the article for now. Wikipedia has a policy called [[Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth|Verifiability, not truth]], and even if it is true, which it certainly seems to be, it is not verifiable. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== BEP ==<br />
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No prob.<br />
:Sure [[User:TBSfan1223|TBSfan1223]] ([[User talk:TBSfan1223|talk]]) 00:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Chord Overstreet]] ==<br />
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Wow, I just started writing a draft to replace the old copyvio version last night and this morning, I saw you had already finished a new article on him. If you add 200 more letters, it can be [[WP:DYK|DYK]]-ready. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 12:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Two hundred letters or two hundred words? I'll see what I can add. :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 12:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Letters. It's ready now, and I have put it up for DYK at [[Template_talk:Did_you_know#Chord_Overstreet]]. If everything checks out, it'll be on the main page in about a week. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 02:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== List of Songs in Glee (season 2) ==<br />
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I keep trying to add "Lucky," by Jason Mraz and Colbie Caillat to the list of songs for glee season 2, but you keep taking it down. it has been confirmed through source number 35 on that same page (link: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Glee-Season-2-1023350.aspx) The TV Guide article states: "When the brass section kicks in to the umpteeth take of "River Deep, Mountain High," the actors watching the performance on the monitors go wild as if its the first time they're seeing it. Michele bops her head along, mouthing the lyrics and cheering. ''''Later, after Dianna Agron, who plays Quinn, and new cast member Chord Overstreet, who plays new student Sam, perform Colbie Caillat and Jason Mraz's "Lucky," Rivera sighs dreamily. 'That was so sweet!'"'' It clearly states what song is being sung and by whom. It is definitely in episode 4 because it is being shot at the same time as "River Deep, Mountain High." If there is a reason why this cannot be added, please clarify it for me. If not, would you please re-add it to the list. Thanks! (I do not mean for any of this to sound nasty, so if it does, I apologize). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.228.31.39|24.228.31.39]] ([[User talk:24.228.31.39|talk]]) 01:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Rocky Horror Glee Show EP ==<br />
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Hey, I noticed that someone jumped the gun a bit by starting an empty ''[[Glee: The Music, The Rocky Horror Glee Show]]'' article. It got me thinking - I'm working on a draft of the [[User:Frickative/The Rocky Horror Glee Show|episode article]], and wondered whether we could combine efforts to include your userspace page on the EP as a soundtrack section. That way all the info would be available for development in the mainspace, and the EP could be split off into a separate article once there's enough coverage to make it independently notable? [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 17:06, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds great; Good idea! Let's do it! :D [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Ace! I've got a few more sources to check through before I move it to the mainspace, but I've added the soundtrack in now :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 18:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Opinion request ==<br />
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Could you give your opinon [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Discographies/style#Removal_of_.22other_charted_songs.22|here]]? Thanks in advance. <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 01:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Certainly! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey.. I know I've been pretty mean to you in the past and I just wanted to apologize to you for that - I can be a bit hot headed at times.. so I'm sorry for being mean to you. I hope you can look past it. :) <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 03:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Of course; I accept your apology! I know people get angry sometimes, and I've already forgiven you haha. Of course we'll look past it! =) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DYK for Grilled Cheesus ==<br />
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== Edit Summaries ==<br />
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Who has two thumbs and doesn't care about edit summaries? THIS GUY!!! Quit spamming my talk page kthx. --[[User:TheTruthiness|TheTruthiness]] ([[User talk:TheTruthiness|talk]]) 05:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
**<big>'''''IT'S NOT A RULE'''''</big>, I don't '''have''' to put edit summaries, I don't want to, won't. Keep it up and I'll report you for abuse. --[[User:TheTruthiness|TheTruthiness]] ([[User talk:TheTruthiness|talk]]) 05:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I replied on my talk page. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] ([[User talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]]) 17:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Congrats ==<br />
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid purple;" | I award you this for your great work on [[Nicki Minaj discography]] cleaning it up (except adding the airplay Pop Songs chart) lol! Maybe sometimes soon we can collaborate on making the article a FL, if interested. Congratulations, you deserve it! <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 21:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyonce Discography ==<br />
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Hi, thanks a lot. I'm happy you like my work. Henceforth, i will use the edit summary box. Don't worry, i haven't added anything contributing to vandalism. On the contrary, i am improving it. I have made the whole (practically the whole as i am still left with 4 more references) verificable. Just compare how it was before i start to work on it. Thanks a lot for your appreciation. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 08:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, thanks for your guidance. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Succession boxes ==<br />
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Hi. I see you are against the removal of succession boxes from articles for songs and albums that hit #1 on music charts. There is a discussion ongoing at [[WT:CHARTS]] and, while the general opinion seems to be against them and consensus is growing in that direction, it is valuable to have opinions from all sides. --[[User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars]] ([[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|talk]]) 10:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: October 2010 ==<br />
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Arg! I'm so frustrated with myself. I usually ALWAYS forget about that. I'll be sure to remember before I save anything. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 21:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Loud ==<br />
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No she wrote that music. She wrote '''all''' the song "Cheers", but there is a sample parts too that will remember the Avril Lavigne's songs. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Is a sample and wrote '''all''' that song. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Writting is a collaboration, you're not understanding about it. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:34, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Avril is a songwriters than album. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DYK for Chord Overstreet ==<br />
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== Ummmm... ==<br />
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Good with trying to get people to leave an edit summary on everything that is done on here. I've learned that it's not going to happen. Plus the fact you seemingly wasted your time telling me this, someone whose been editing long enough, seemed a bit condescending. No offense. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 08:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Some "minor" edits I generally don't add a summary. I add summaries for larger edits. For that specific edit, all I did was just turned the ref list into two columns.<span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 12:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::See what? <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 18:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Were looking at the references section of [[Just the Way You Are (Bruno Mars song)]]? That's what I changed to make it into two columns. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 19:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I guess something is messed up on your end. I can see it fine. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 20:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I use Firefox and that's why I'm able to see it. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 23:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help ==<br />
<br />
{{helpme-helped}}<br />
I am trying to add the [http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582 deluxe edition of the Australian release of ''Doo-Wops & Hooligans''] to [[Doo-Wops & Hooligans|the album page]] (date: October 15, 2010; label: Warner Music), but it's messing up for some reason. This is what I'm trying to accomplish:<br />
<pre>{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|France<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.fr/Doo-Wops-Hooligans/dp/B00443PTL4/|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|language=French|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.fr]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 4, 2010<br />
|[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]]<br />
|rowspan="2"|[[Music download|Digital download]]<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="AmazonUS" /><ref name="AmazonDeluxe" /><br />
|[[Atlantic Records|Atlantic]], [[Elektra Records|Elektra]]<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|Austria<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.at]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="5"|October 5, 2010<br />
|rowspan="4"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="3"|[[Compact Disc|CD]]<br />
|rowspan="3"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Canada<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.ca/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo - Wops & Hooligans: Bruno Mars|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.ca]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Germany<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.de]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Mexico<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans/id394282240|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Digital download<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="Unveils"/><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Doo-wops-Hooligans-DVD-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B0042LRTBG/|title=Doo-wops & Hooligans (CD/DVD)(Bonus Tracks) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Atlantic, Elektra<br />
|rowspan="3"|CD<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
<br />
and it comes out as:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|France<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.fr/Doo-Wops-Hooligans/dp/B00443PTL4/|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|language=French|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.fr]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 4, 2010<br />
|[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]]<br />
|rowspan="2"|[[Music download|Digital download]]<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="AmazonUS" /><ref name="AmazonDeluxe" /><br />
|[[Atlantic Records|Atlantic]], [[Elektra Records|Elektra]]<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|Austria<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.at]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="5"|October 5, 2010<br />
|rowspan="4"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="3"|[[Compact Disc|CD]]<br />
|rowspan="3"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Canada<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.ca/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo - Wops & Hooligans: Bruno Mars|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.ca]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Germany<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.de]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Mexico<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans/id394282240|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Digital download<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="Unveils"/><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Doo-wops-Hooligans-DVD-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B0042LRTBG/|title=Doo-wops & Hooligans (CD/DVD)(Bonus Tracks) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Atlantic, Elektra<br />
|rowspan="3"|CD<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
<br />
The "Australia" and "October 15, 2010" cells are not coming out as a rowspan of 2. Am I doing something wrong here? Articles like ''[[I Am... Sasha Fierce]]'' and ''[[The Fame Monster]]'' have this done correctly, and I'm not sure why it's not working here. Thanks in advance!<br />
[[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 02:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hmm, I can't seem to get it to work either. I've been working on it for like 15 minutes and it's doing the exact same thing to me as it is to you. I even thought maybe another rowspan was off, but I can't seem to figure it out. <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::So frustrating. I don't know where I'm going wrong here. I know it's not anything to do with the references, because I even tried removing all of them (I cringed whilst doing so) and the same thing showed up in the preview. And it doesn't work when I try adding the [http://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295 Canadian deluxe edition], either. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Very strange. I don't think I've ever come across a problem like this before. Maybe try retyping it all over again? Or have you tried that already? <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 03:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, trying out something simpler. Only looking at New Zealand downward, with no rowspans:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
comes out fine as:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
and when I merge a couple of cells, it comes out great as:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|CD<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|CD<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
The problem is, though, when I try to merge the New Zealand and Australia "CD" cells:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
And I get:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
Totally not understanding why this is being colloquially stupid. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Me neither. I located the issue, as it works fine with<br />
<pre><br />
...<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
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:so the issue is the colspan 2 for the country name. But idk how to fix it. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 04:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::The issue seems to be using colspan to merge cells for the last column you are working with ("Format" for me in the example above). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Archiving ==<br />
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Have you considered [[WP:Archive|archiving]] your talk page? It's 112 KB long and has 79 topics. [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#When to condense pages|The talk page guidelines]] suggest archiving after a talk page has become larger than 50 KB, or has more than 10 main sections. Not doing so can make the page difficult to navigate and also make it difficult for users with slow Internet connections to view the page. How to archive is detailed [[WP:Archive|on the archive page]]. Cheers! <span style="font-family: Verdana">— [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <sup>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|talk]]</sup></span> 05:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, I have lol. I've just never done it before, and didn't really wanna learn how as it's never been an issue for me. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I can do it for you, if you like; I can make it 'auto-archive' things that are older than 'x' days. If you want that, just reply below, let me know how many days; 30? perhaps. Whatever you like. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Haha well sure, if you don't mind! That's very generous of you. :) And maybe not thirty; how about sixty? Question: what if, hypothetically speaking, during a sixty-day period, there are no or only a few discussions? Would it still be archived even if there are only a few sections? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 06:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::OK, I've set up this page for auto-archiving, as discussed.<br />
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::::Normally, I prefer to explain how to do stuff, but in the case of archive set-up, it's easier to just do it for you. The voodoo to make it work is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yvesnimmo&diff=389839959&oldid=389839658 here]; the bot should come along within about a day and kick things off. Note the archive box at the top which, currently, will say "no archives yet (create)" - don't create anything, just let the bot do its thing.<br />
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::::It's set to 60 days (60d), you might want to change that. Note that a) it won't archive very small threads or things with no sigs in (ie no date) - you can cut those yourself and paste 'em into the archive page if you want.<br />
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::::And to answer your question: it is possible to specify a minimum number of threads, so it won't archive if there are less; I've set that to <nowiki>| minthreadsleft = 4</nowiki> for now.<br />
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::::So - that's about it; no action required, just let the bot do its thing, and - if I've done it correctly - all should be well. If it goes wrong, of course, give me a shout. Cheers! <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Thanks, Chzz! Appreciate it! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 07:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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So, please give it ''another'' 24 hours to start. Again, sorry. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 05:52, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Haha. That's quite alright! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Looking at the bot, I think it should get to you around 20:30 UTC, so, about 10 hours from now; I'll check back of course. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yvesnimmo/Archive_1&action=history Yay], seems to be fine. I'll stop watching, so give me a shout if you ever have problems with it. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:50, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyonce's Fourth Studio album ==<br />
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Don't you think that the time has come to create a page for Beyonce's fourth upcoming studio album? So many artist have one for their albums due 2011 such as Rihanna (Loud), Kelly Rowland (Kelly Rowland), Kanye West (Dark Twisted Mind), Young Jeezy............ [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does it have a name yet? Beware of [[WP:HAMMER]]. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC) <small>(Just a comment, in passing)</small><br />
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== Chronology ==<br />
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"In a studio album article, the chain (for most artists) should include only other studio albums, excluding live albums and compilations; these other types can also have their own separate chains. For some artists '''it may be more appropriate''' to include all album types in one chain, but care must be taken to maintain the integrity of chains, so that when album "A" points to "B" as the next album, "B" points back to "A" as the last (previous) album."<br />
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I really don't care about the chronology, but this change is only gonna cause edit wars and more discussions between other users. Plus, artists like Madonna and Michael Jackson have only one chronology. [[User:Xwomanizerx|Xwomanizerx]] ([[User talk:Xwomanizerx|talk]]) 21:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:But they don't. Michael Jackson's greatest hits / remix albums have their own separate chronology (''[[Number Ones (Michael Jackson album)|Number Ones]]'', ''[[The Ultimate Collection (Michael Jackson album)|The Ultimate Collection]]'', ''[[The Essential Michael Jackson]]'', etc.) as do Madonna's EPs (''[[Remixed Prayers]]'', ''[[The Holiday Collection (EP)|The Holiday Collection]]'', etc.). It makes more sense to have different chronologies for different album types. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 22:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== California Dreams Tour ==<br />
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Your edits to the [[California Dreams Tour]] have been reverted and quite frankly this all seems quite [[WP:LAME|redundant]] if you think about it. A country is defined as a territory of an independent nation. This [[List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe|list]] you are referencing refers to a sovereign state. A sovereign state is a grouping of nations or territories that operate under one unified government. In the case of the United Kingdom, it is the countries of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland that create the United Kingdom. I am not saying that you are wrong but to state that "England is not a country, I know what it is" is pretty absent-minded. If you would like, I do not mind creating a entry on the talk page so that other editors can weigh in on this matter. [[User:Itsbydesign|Itsbydesign]] ([[User talk:Itsbydesign|talk]]) 08:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===While it isn't fan-made...===<br />
Well , just asking, while it isn't fan-made ([[Katy Perry|Perry]]'s official twitter), it shouldn't be a reliable source? <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 16:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Honestly, I, think Perry wouldn't lie about that. But agree! [[Capitol Records|Capitol]] probably will add that information really soon in Katy's official site. Thanks for all, <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 17:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[WP:AIV]] ==<br />
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Saw that you were unsure about your report of [[User:AtomicMarcusKitten]]. In general, only pure vandals should be reported to AIV. This user seems to do quite a bit of good work, but definitely has some interaction issues. Consider making a report at [[WP:AN/I]]. Regards, '''[[User:Jujutacular|<span style="color:#006400;">Jujutacular</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jujutacular|talk]]</sup> 15:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:FYI, just saw another admin has blocked the user - we'll see if their behavior improves after the block. '''[[User:Jujutacular|<span style="color:#006400;">Jujutacular</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jujutacular|talk]]</sup> 15:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Are we removing other charted songs from the new discographies? [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 00:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Per [[WT:DISCOGSTYLE]] consensus, no. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fixing Loud Album Refs ==<br />
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I'm not use to the [[citation templates]] way of referencing but theres no rule saying you can't do it the way I did. I fixed all the refs that most of the contributors were to lazy to do. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 00:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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They way I set out the referencing was correct but the only thing I didn't use was the citation templates. Feel free to correct it, but don't be lazy and revert my editing. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 01:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I didn't say you reverted it, but if you do correct the refs, don't be lazy and revert my edits. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 01:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Stop Editing the [[T-Pain]] templete ==<br />
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The songs you are "fixing" are legit singles that have charted or are offcial singles If you're going to "fix" the templete then fix the songs, rather than deleting them.<br />
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I'm aware that. Please stop reverting it back so i can fix the promotional singles. There is a page for both songs that aren't redirected pages. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.173.135.8|67.173.135.8]] ([[User talk:67.173.135.8|talk]]) 00:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== October 2010 ==<br />
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[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]'''&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Template:Kesha]]. Users who [[WP:DISRUPT|edit disruptively]] or refuse to [[WP:COLLABORATE|collaborate]] with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. If unsuccessful then '''do not edit war even if you believe you are right'''. Post a request for help at an [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If edit warring continues, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing''' without further notice. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:SpigotMap|<font color="BLACK">'''Spigot'''</font>]][[User talk:SpigotMap|<font color="GRAY">Map</font>]] 14:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kesha ==<br />
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Re. [[Template:Kesha]] and the possible addition of "We R Who We R"<br />
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Please discuss this on the talk page, [[Template talk:Kesha#We R Who We R]].<br />
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Thanks, <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Other charted songs (2) ==<br />
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Okay! But what about Last Friday Night? <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Where's the reliable source that [...] T.G.I.F. charted on Hot 100? It does not appears anything on Billboard's Katy Perry archive... <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:47, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ok! ==<br />
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Thanks, appreciate your help! <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, if you could review me on my [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Pedro João|review page]], it would be nice, thanks <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 22:00, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I see you removed by addtion on 'Only Exception' by Paramore article ==<br />
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You undid my edit right?<br />
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Don't worry. Once Wikipedia removes Examiner TV from the blacklist you can't call it unreliable anymore. So if it does comeback again there. Please don't delete or undo my editing in the future on that article when it does. Thank you [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 02:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It might. I am still appealing for it to be removed. Anyways, I'll just get back to you on that one when if it does. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 02:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well I was looking all over the net for a more reliable source that is more appropriate than Examiner TV's but they all lead back to that site. I also had a look at Billboard's website but I didn't manage to find anything other than this:<br />
[http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/weekly-chart-notes-glee-kenny-chesney-phil-1004119807.story#/column/chartbeat/weekly-chart-notes-glee-kenny-chesney-phil-1004119807.story Weekly Chart Notes: 'Glee,' Kenny Chesney, Phil Collins ].<br />
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It doesn't really look like a reliable source and it makes my edit look like a POV. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 09:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Rocky Horror Glee ==<br />
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With all due respect, all Glee soundtracks for EPs thus far have been released the day the show airs. The episode airs on October 26, and I'm still surprised that iTunes shows October 19 still (as do others I think, and I only found this after making the change). See my edit summary for my initial change reason, which was, and I quote, "''Not sure if the source matches, but Glee is pre-empted Oct. 19 for baseball playoff (World Series?). Therefore, EP will be released the day the show airs (Oct. 26).''" While I have doubt in my mind now, I can't see them releasing the album a week before the episode. I think the sites just haven't been notified to push it back by a week. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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(Before replying on my talk page, see the notice there and please honour it by replying here. I will be watching this page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC))<br />
:I understand why you may be sceptical, but ''Glee'' soundtracks have been known to be released before the airing of episodes with respective tracks: ''Volume 3 Showstoppers'' was released before "Theatricality" and "Funk" aired, ''Volume 2'' before "Sectionals", and ''Volume 1'' before "Wheels". I couldn't tell you for certain why they're releasing it a week early, but October 19, 2010 is what is shown by [http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/glee-the-music-the-rocky-horror-glee-show-in-stores-october-19-103922393.html FOX's official press release], [http://www.gleethemusic.com/us/music/glee-music-rocky-horror-glee-show-0 the ''Glee'' Cast's official website], [http://www.sonymusicdigital.com/glee/details/5693178?current_country=US the Sony Music store], [http://itunes.apple.com/preorder/glee-the-music-the-rocky-horror/id395337246 the iTunes Store], [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0046756O8/ Amazon.com], [http://hmv.ca/Products/Detail/597936.aspx hmv], [http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Glee-The-Music-The-Rocky-Horror-Glee-Show/Glee/e/886977964626 Barnes & Noble], [http://www.billboard.com/news/glee-announces-rocky-horror-album-details-1004117202.story ''Billboard''], and many, many other reliable sources. I don't think these could have ''all'' gotten the date wrong? Especially the stores where physical release or shipping is guaranteed to happen. Unless you have found a reliable source saying the EP will be released the twenty-sixth...? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Maybe they're making an exception for Halloween since there are only five days between the episode and Halloween? *shrug* And makes me wonder if Glee will tackle a Christmas episode; nothing has been announced one way or the other on that yet. Again, I made the edit before I found the Oct. 19 in iTunes and couldn't figure out why.<br />
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::As a side note, the Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 3 were based on multiple episodes. EPs are usually on one episode. This would be the first early '''EP''' release if it's on the 26th. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Hmmm yeah, but aside from episode accompaniment, there hasn't been much difference in promotion or sales (as can be seen by chart peaks) between the albums and the EPs. And I'm not sure about a potential Christmas episode. SuBo's supposed to guest-star and sing one of the songs from her [[The Gift (Susan Boyle album)|second album]], though. I do not believe they have started production, though. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I heard about the Susan Boyle bit, too. That will be exciting for the cast, I think. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: idol discography ==<br />
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the reason i made this page is cuz the american idol page has a discography list, so i figured id add a canadian idol discography page. also, i added american idol albums list cuz lots of albums from american idol charted in canada, so i wanted to note those too. also, im not the only 1 who edits that page. i know its not the most frequently edited page on wikipedia, but i thought i would make this page for ppl who were curious bout how good or how bad canadian idol (and some american) were doing post-show. so i dunno why y'ure makin such a big deal bout this.<br />
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== Oh boy: first IP edit; revert ==<br />
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Well, wait at most one day and I'll see you edit warrig about it, let see if the first IP still being it. BTW it is not the first. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 01:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Forget it, I see the confusion now. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 01:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I thought that you were saying to me something like "C'mon is the first IP in edit, you do not need to add PLEASE DO NOT ADD THE FAME MONSTER" (see my entire edit), that's why I said "you'll be reverting many of them tomorrow". [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 02:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee: The Music, The Christmas Album ==<br />
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Not sure if you've heard about this one yet, but someone just linked me to the tracklist at [http://tommy2.net/content/?p=18457 Tommy2]. No other sources on it at present (except a placeholder [http://www.billboard.com/album/glee-cast/glee-the-music-the-christmas-album/1456058#/album/glee-cast/glee-the-music-the-christmas-album/1456058 Billboard page]), but worth keeping an eye out for :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 15:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Interesting!! I wonder if it's the same as the "Tbd" album on Amazon.com? Neither of the two sites reveal a track listing, so I'm not sure. I certainly will keep an eye on it! Looks interesting, because I thought that album would be ''Volume 4'' and not this one. I don't know if they will sing these on the show, though... there are twelve of them, and they have never done that many in an episode. Maybe they will only include some of them, or this is just an extra Christmas release, like "Last Christmas" was (speaking of which, I wonder if that version is the one on this album). In any case, the SuBo song is probably "O Holy Night", as it's the only one on her album. I wonder why ''Billboard'' has the album up when no other retailers or news sources do... Speaking of Tommy2, I'm doubting whether it's a reliable source or not. What do you think? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 16:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I think for Wikipedia purposes it might not meet the requirements, but it does have a proven track record for accurately publishing all previous ''Glee'' titles and tracklists before other media sources. I agree it's unlikely all the tracks will make it on to the show, though it would be a shame if none of them do - I love a good Christmas song! I think with past releases it's taken the media a couple of days to a week to catch up once Tommy2 have got the titles up, so hopefully there should be some more info available in the next few days. Wondering why it's taking so long to get ''Volume 4'' out though! [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 17:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Not sure, though, because there are different faiths in ''Glee'', and there are no Hanukkah or Kwanzaa songs or anything like that. I'll wait until there are at least a few reliable sources before mentioning it in the season two or list of songs page. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm inclined to believe it, but I've checked the RS noticeboard and Tommy2 got a 'no' in 2007 and a 'borderline, only for uncontentious facts' in 2008. That said, I've done some quick Googling and a cast Christmas album was mentioned as early as [http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37242700 May], and re-confirmed by Murphy [http://entertainment.stv.tv/tv/199286-susan-boyle-glee-cameo-confirmed-by-ryan-murphy/ a few weeks ago] (with the mention of a November release date), so perhaps it could be mentioned in the season two article with Billboard as a ref for the title? I don't mind if you'd rather wait, though. This has given me a little push to finally get on with that merchandise article :) [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 21:35, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Nice work! :D Go ahead and add it! As for the tracklist, that would be considered contentious now, right? And remember to just mention November as the release date: who knows, maybe ''TBD'' is ''Volume 4'', eh, or maybe they'll be released not far apart from each other? You never know. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:42, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Frickative: you never told me about this on MSN? =O<br />
::::::Certainly exciting! [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Ooooh look: it's on [http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Glee-The-Music-The-Christmas-Album/Glee/e/886977856723 Barnes & Noble] and the [http://www.amazon.co.jp/Glee-Music-Christmas-Album-Cast/dp/B00442OCYK Japanese Amazon.com] (as an import from the US), but it's not on any other Amazon.com country sites. Release date confirmed! :) Maybe it is the same one as the "TBD" one on Amazon.com? Can't know for sure, though. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:38, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::A Christmas episode is confirmed! http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/10/20/ask-ausiello-spoilers-glee-desperate-30-rock/ but nothing about songs or the album is. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fun? ==<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=We_R_Who_We_R&action=history Isnt this fun?] Are you enjoying it as much as i am? [[Image:Confused-tpvgames.gif|20px]] - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 20:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:omfg shoot me now. or them. not sure which one. i really like your way of adding information and then quickly reverting it haha. ensures well-referenced additions are made as sources come out so time won't be wasted trying to compile it all at a later date, as well as keeps page redirected. :P [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hahahah, thank you. I do it that way because each time i add a ref, the article slowly gets bigger and i archive every reference so its easier for maintenance. And omfg, can you please read rules before you edit, i knew this article was going to be a b***h but i didnt think it would be this much of a pain, though im extremely surprised no one has changed [[Cannibal (EP)]] to a studio album, which im quite happy about. - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 21:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think it's pretty much standard, especially with the discussion at ''[[The Fame Monster]]'' lol. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Why? ==<br />
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Why do you get soo offended when i call you an airhead? It isn't even offensive!! I love them, they always make me laugh and i try and befriend them LOL!!!!!!! (real life obv) god knows why you find it offensive, and blocked me before due to it. jeez.[[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You clearly are offended...and omg, even you can admit following the "five pillars" is sad, seriously, come on now! From what i know of you, you're not a very nice person, and all what you say comes across as being very snotty...[[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Go ahead then![[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee Cast Discog ==<br />
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We ought to consider a change here. If we continue with the page as it now is, that "Singles" section is going to become pages and pages long by the time Season 3 finishes. I'm going to chat with Frickative about this as well, but maybe we ought to break it into seasons, or even half-seasons, and forget the year? Maybe in seasons, we can then identify the episode for each song or something in place of the year (putting episode at the end of the table). This is a unique situation here and having 200 singles in a chart like this is something that you'll rarely see on a discography; even [[George Strait]], the most popular man in country music I think, has 50 #1 singles and won't have as many singles overall as Glee will after this season (if not already; he has 88 singles overall listed here and it's already broken into decades). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You have a very good point haha. I just finished browsing the [http://toolserver.org/~enwp10/bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&projecta=Discography&namespace=&pagename=&quality=&importance=&score=&limit=2185&offset=1&sorta=Importance&sortb=Quality 2,185 discography pages], and as you may have seen already, many are broken into albums and singles (and sometimes posthumous) discographies, with Michael Jackson's albums discography even being divided into [[Michael Jackson albums discography (certifications and sales)]] and [[Michael Jackson albums discography (peak chart positions)]], with [[Michael Jackson albums discography]] remaining as a page. Browsing extensive singles discographies, though, we have [[The Beach Boys discography|The Beach Boys]] (> 100), [[Dolly Parton discography|Dolly Parton]] (106), [[David Bowie discography|David Bowie]] (108), [[Rod Stewart discography|Rod Stewart]] (109), [[Barbra Streisand discography|Barbra]] (117), [[Stevie Wonder discography|Stevie Wonder]] (~125), [[Ray Charles discography|Ray Charles]] (127), [[Elton John discography|Elton]] (128), [[Aretha Franklin discography|Aretha]] (131), [[Celine Dion singles discography|Céline]] (137), [[Elvis Presley international hit singles|Elvis]] (~200), and the most is probably [[Frank Sinatra discography|Frank Sinatra (297)]]. None of these are divided in separate pages, though most are divided in decades. The Ol' Blue Eyes discography has divided its singles into the record labels (which we can't do), and then into years. Like you said, I think seasons is the best way to do this. Maybe pages like [[Glee Cast albums discography|''Glee'' Cast albums discography]], [[Glee Cast singles discography (season 1)|''Glee'' Cast singles discography (season 1)]], [[Glee Cast singles discography (season 2)|''Glee'' Cast discography (season 2)]], and then other charted songs can go in the singles discographies of the respective seasons? I think we should wait first, though, until the second season is over, because only then can we accurately judge page growth; they did say the second season was going to have fewer songs, eh? The first thirteen episodes of the first season were slow in singles (4, 3, 2, 1, 4, 3, 4, 3, 5, 6, 6, 3, 4 [+ [[Last Christmas|1]], [[Karaoke|5]]]), but then things really picked up in the back nine (5, 7, 5, 5, 5, 4, 5, 6, [[Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals|0]]). So far the second season has been averaging six (5, 6, 7, 6, [[Glee: The Music, The Rocky Horror Glee Show|0]]) and it has fluctuated, so we can't really tell if they're increasing or decreasing from this point. The cast of ''Glee'' has currently released 119 singles, though only 112 are in the table (with 6 other charted songs in its own table). I think we should wait, though, after two seasons have aired, before actually dividing any pages. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You know what? After going through all those discography pages, I have to say the ''Glee'' Cast one is actually pretty short lol. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:42, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I'm all right with keeping everything as one page. If we were to change anything into multiple pages, I'd say have a [[Glee Cast Season 1 Discography]] page and a [[Glee Cast Season 2 Discography]], keep the albums (even the EPs) where they are, and have the singles only on the season page. Otherwise, we leave the entire page alone but break the page at "Good Vibrations" (listed last in the ''Funk'' episode), give that now-ended section a '''Season 1''' sub-header, then put a new header in below and continue charting for Season 2.<br />
::Again, I'll ask Frickative her opinion as well. I worked with her to get the Season 1 article to FL status, and I know she's GAed a lot of episode articles, so I highly value her opinion as well. I see her on MSN as I type, so I'll poke her right now. =D [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Hahaha alright; I highly value her opinion as well. :P For naming conventions, though, I don't think [[Glee Cast Season 1 Discography]] would work, as that would imply the artist name is "Glee Cast Season 1", which it isn't. If you look at Olivia Newton-John's singles templates, they're divided into [[Template:ONJSingles1|Olivia Newton-John singles (1971-1990)]] and [[Template:ONJSingles2|Olivia Newton-John singles (1992-present/Other singles)]], so I think the parenthetical notation is the preferred method, like it was done for the MJ discography. I think I agree with you on the season split; I think I will do that. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:20, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I'll be happy to do it, I already have an idea in mind for how it could look. =) Let's get her opinion first tho.; she's looking through some FL discogs ATM. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:23, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Oh sorry; I already [[WP:BOLD|went ahead and did it]]. Is that what you were thinking? Or something different? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's part of it! I also had a couple of other changes I was thinking about. I'm going to use my [[User:CycloneGU/Sandbox|userspace]] to play with it a bit and show you what I have in mind. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::(multiple edit conflict later :p) Hey! I think at this point in time I agree with keeping everything in one article (obviously we can reconsider in the future if things keep growing exponentially) and just splitting the singles up by season. Perusing the lengthier featured discographies it seems they're either split up by decade or a specific "era", which in ''Glee'' terms given the massive output is probably the equivalent of a season. The way it's been split now looks good to me :) There have been some [[WP:ACCESS]] changes lately that means some of the code for the tables needs tweaking - I think the biggest change is having the title column first rather than the year, but that's a minor issue that doesn't affect this discussion. [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 14:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Yeah, there are new [[WP:DISCOGSTYLE]] guidelines to satisfy the [[WP:ACCESS]] part of [[WP:MoS]] (for example, I've already converted the discography at [[Bruno Mars]]), and I'm going to get around to that soon! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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See my [[User:CycloneGU/Sandbox|sandbox]] as I've started making one suggested change. I've only done two episodes so far on the first season, but if this is a good change I can continue for the entire season. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: *poke* I saw you active at the other discussion I started, I'm waiting for your opinion on this before I add additional edits in my userspace. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Well just to let you know, the layout's gonna change to be something like what you see at [[Rihanna discography]], with the song title (most important part) coming first. Maybe it can be at the end? I'm not sure if you should have them; we originally had them, but they were removed for some reason, I think because discographies don't normally have that (for example, see [[Hannah Montana discography|''Hannah Montana'' discography]]), although I don't know. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 18:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Yup, I know that I reverted the addition of episode titles at some point, though that was several months ago, and my rationale was that it's not a standard facet of discographies. It also possibly creates some redundancy with the song lists. That said, however, I can see that it could be useful information, as ''Glee'' is in the rather unique position of essentially having a soundtrack to each episode, so it could be pertinent to note which came from where? I don't really mind either way - perhaps it would be okay if the episodes were moved to the far end column, so they could be easily removed if it became a problem in future? [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 19:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Frickative has now made that change in my sandbox copy. It now more closely resembles the Rihanna discography you link to. The only difference is that Certifications is absent; basically, the uniqueness of "Glee Cast" might allow us to include the extra column for this one, because each episode is its own "album" in a sense. The exceptions are the third and fourth episodes, which had releases totalling 2 and 1 respectively.<br />
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::::We can also wipe out Sales and replace it with Certifications if there are any, but I don't think there are (except perhaps for "Don't Stop Believin'"). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 00:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Great job! Thanks, Frickative; I was just about to do that, and you saved me a lot of time! :D If you don't mind, I will continue the rest of the episode name additions, and yes, I believe the sales column should be replaced with certifications: there are a couple! [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm thinking of removing the album column from the second season singles table, because they are all non-album singles. What do you think? Or would you like that information to remain there for people to know they aren't from any album? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Leave the Albums section in. We have to have an album tracklist sooner or later.<br />
::::::I wonder if we can also add the Christmas album to the albums listings BTW, without a link since we only have one supposedly unreliable source (which has proven for this purpose quite reliable, mind) so far? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Already added lol. (B&N) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 02:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I see that now. =)<br />
::::::::Should we put the new Singles layout into the article now? I'll be happy to transpose it in, just gotta be sure we don't erase something from the current article version in error in the transfer. Otherwise, it can stay in my Sandbox for further tweaks. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think it's ready to transfer now. :) I just left out the years from the season 2 songs because the heading is already 2010&ndash;present, but do you think we should add them for consistency? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I completely missed that column. Do we really need that in there? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Well we definitely will when episodes air in the new year, so we might as well, right? And just to keep it consistent within both tables. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::I meant in the first table as well. We're branching it into seasons, and therefore it will take place from 2009-2010 with releases assumed somewhat chronologically. Therefore, why are we including that column? I think this is a rare situation where we can avoid using that column because with 86 singles in a two year span it's kinda redundant. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
{{od}}Well to show which singles were released in each year, right? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, I know that. But again, does it matter? We know it was released during Season 1, a period which (with exception to the pilot in May) took place in a span of less than a full year. Season 1 is already by itself now, and Season 2 as well. We've just made the year redundant. Either that or we mash it back together and keep the year column in. Personally, I prefer the split and the year omitted.<br />
:Also, from [[Wikipedia:DISCOGSTYLE|DISCOGSTYLE]], the end of the policy has the rule, "Ignore all rules". While I'm not exactly doing that, it states "...if there is a reasonable justification for deviating from the above guidelines to most accurately or appropriately document an artist's <nowiki>[e.g. cast's]</nowiki> body of work, then ignore all the rules and go with what's best for the article." This is what I think is best for the article, get the year column outta there. It's not necessary.<br />
:I'm curious about Frickative's thoughts on the matter, hopefully she will chip in after getting some sleep. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Haha omg don't even talk to me about sleep. Sounds good, though; as long as we discussed it, and in case it comes up during peer review or FL nom (which i hope to see this page go to!). =) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Heehee, I helped get one page there, I'd love to see another get there (though in this case you have a big hand in getting it there!). The challenge will become updating it during all of the nominating with new figures and such, and while the mid-season break gives a chance for just reviewing and fixing stuff, the second half of the season (and season 3) will start introducing possible changes and could throw the page out of FL. Hopefully we can get it there and keep it there! =D [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:29, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Well that shouldn't be hard, right? New figures are easily accessible on ''Billboard'' and all second season peaks are updated with reliable references, with the exception of two ARIA peaks (we need to wait until the Pandora Archive has those). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Well, I see you omitted year now. =) After Frickative comments on the page in the morning or whenever, we'll look into transferring it back to the Glee page in updated form. Wanna give her a chance to comment first. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Sounds good! Imma go to bed now or I will miss orgo chem in the morning. Good night + ttyl! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
{{od}}One more thing I'm noticing. I didn't copy "Other Singles" and am debating how to treat that one. Since it's a thing that all non-single songs will go into without a split, that one would need the year. Either that or we can split those as well into each section with the same sub-header each time, but that might be too much.<br />
I may leave it for your judgment, but I'll think about it for a bit. I'm back on the job searching prowl today and won't be here all day, but will be for a bit. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 13:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Gooood morning/afternoon/evening... whenever :p Re: other charted songs... my current thinking iiiiis to leave it as one section (it's relatively small, if there were dozens of songs there it would probably be a different matter), and hm, I think it's okay to have dates there. It might be a slight inconsistency with the season singles tables, but given the sheer multitude of singles there, repeating the same date up to 30 times seems redundant and better covered through the date range in the section header. With the other songs, as there are only a handful of entries, redundancy isn't so much of an issue. I hope that makes sense. The edited singles tables in the sandbox now look great to me, happy to see them transferred into the mainspace :) [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 15:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Tables imported, the other songs chart is fixed up a bit, Frickative is doing a little more on it but I put episodes in there as well for that consistency and put in the scope bits (which I'm learning about just today while editing). Off to job searching. We need a new source for Jessie's Girl certifications, apparently the reference name wasn't valid. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I fixed that; sorry, my fault. It's all good now; looks great! Good luck with the hunt! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::So I've added a bit of background information about the performers and the music of ''Glee'' in the lead; seems to be what they are looking for in FLs (examples [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lady Gaga discography/archive1|here]] and [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Kesha discography/archive1|here]]). I've also added [[non-breaking space]]s and added the ''Glee'' task force banner to the task force; thought it was already added, but I guess not (unsure about whether to rate top or high, though... maybe high?). Anything else you guys think needs fixing or work on? Some wording, maybe? I'll look at some FLs tomorrow(today) and see if there's anything specific with the refs that might need some minor tweaking (for example with work vs. publisher). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sam Tsui ==<br />
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Hey! I recently made a few changes to the Sam Tsui page which were undone, and would just like to explain a few of them before attempting to re-edit them. And just as a disclaimer, I'm not sure how this is supposed to be handled, but I actually AM Sam Tsui and was simply intending to update the article and also just make it more coherent and easy to understand. For example, saying "using multiple pitch variations...ranging from tenor to baritone" is actually somewhat nonsensical as relates to the MJ Medley, which is (as KurtHugoSchneider's Youtube channel states) is an SATB arrangement; namely the top part is considered soprano, and the bottom bass. Removing the "labels" section of the information box was simply because while there were digital releases through Sh-k-Boom and Mudhut, "Sam Tsui" is not actually signed to these labels, so that's incorrect. Saying "former" member of the Duke's Men of Yale IS in fact verified on their website by virtue of his no longer being on the roster of active singers. Adding other popular videos such as the Love the Way You Lie Mashup or Lady Gaga Medley are again simply derived directly from the Youtube channel, which is already sourced several times throughout the article. I certainly wished to remove "American Baritones" from the list of categories because this is simply not true - baritone is a classification of a kind of male voice, and one really shouldn't be considered both a tenor and baritone, even if he sings in the ranges of both. Similarly, tenor as a category generally includes classical male singers, which I (Tsui) am not. Changing Chinese to half-Chinese, again, is just a matter of fact. And as the source myself, I guess I'm confused as to how i can make this simple factual change. In general, I guess I'm just asking how I can get some of these changes through without always having the article be reverted. Many thanks, Sam. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samtsui.music|contribs]]) 08:30, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
::::Thanks for your hasty response - I don't intend to be difficult, but a few things. One: The arrangement IS in fact SATB, as it clearly states on the video for the page itself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12QVtuB0_Q, "To download the sheet music PDF (in SATB) for this song:" The pdf itself, which is available there, is written in SATB - and again, an arrangement is considered SATB if it is written as such, regardless of what kind of voice is singing it. A tenor is entirely capable of singing such an arrangment, with it still being considered SATB. So I would love to be able to change this, as the source itself defines the arrangement as SATB. Secondly, in that very Duke's Men website you linked to, "Sam Tsui" is NOT on the roster of active singers, but is listed as "class of '11", as an alumnus. Third, I must emphasize that it's misleading to list Mudhut and Sh-ka-Boom under "labels", as there is in fact no verifiable source that Tsui is signed to these labels, but merely engaged in Digital Releases. In fact, the Youtube channel lists Tsui as "unsigned" which I believe is amore verifiable source. Thanks! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samtsui.music|contribs]]) 17:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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::::Okay, first of all "using multiple pitch variations" make little to no sense from an a cappella singing/musical standpoint. The article quoted is not only uncited (and unsourced, as neither myself or Kurt were interviewed), but the article itself contains a number of sentences written in English with incredibly poor grammar, so to quote this phrase specifically (which is non-idiomatic English) seems inappropriate. Secondly, a male is absolutely capable of singing an SATB arrangement - check out Chanticleer, or any number of groups containing male sopranos or altos. If a piece is arranged SATB, then even if a male is singing it, it remains an SATB arrangement. "Ranging from baritone to tenor" certainly does not make sense, as there is not even a baritone part in the arrangement, and the lowest part is in fact bass. Again, I do not mean to be difficult, but this is a minor edit that would make this piece of information more clear. I guess as regards the Duke's Men, will I at least be able to change "member" to "former member" as of 2011? I guess the difficulty I'm finding is that I'll of course always be listed as a "Duke's Man class of 2011", but I think it would be misleading to call me a member of the Duke's men, say, years after i'm no longer attending Yale or singing with them. Again, these are not huge deals, but would be nice to make clearer [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]]) 17:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, I'm not suggesting that Tsui IS either a soprano or alto - but the the verifiable truth is that he performs an SATB arrangement, which is both true and verifiable from the pdf arrangement itself. Part of what makes the video unique is the fact that he DOES in fact perform the parts which would usually be sung be women and other voice parts - thus, he is a tenor PERFORMING an entire SATB ARRANGEMENT. Again, "tenor to baritone" really does not make sense. [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]]) 20:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Jessica Mauboy discography ==<br />
Its already been set for a November 5 release. Sony have been telling fans on her facebook, mypsace, Twitter, in the media, they've done adds for it on iTunes and yesterday they released a snippet of all songs off the album. I don't think it'll be delayed. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 22:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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You have to be very careful with iTunes and Amazon. In the UK singles are released on Sunday or Monday to make the most of the chart week which runs from Sunday to Sunday. (its different to the US and Australia). However for pre-releases Amazon nearly always had multiple dates. Below the track list it usually has a section which says release date and genre etc. If you scroll to the top of the page there's a blue box in the left-hand corner that says "This album/single will be available on October 24, 2010". -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 20:12, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Why does it say the release date ''and'' the original release date are the twenty-first? :S [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Amazon always does that because 21 October will be the date it goes active in Ireland as Irish singles are released on Fridays to coincide with their chart week. Its very confusing but I can assure you that if you tried to buy the single on the 21 you wouldn't be able to because its not going to active till October 24. -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 23:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I thought I had added references to specific episodes. I generally do so, but in this case maybe I skipped a step. Apologies, and thanks for the kind note. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, I have a username, and usually forget to log in. And I have had numerous IP addresses too. I cannot keep track of them all. If I do log in, it is as Qermaq, and I have extensive experience in a similar MediaWiki environment elsewhere but that was years ago. I try to adhere to standards, but you are probably aware that a dabbler is at a disadvantage because knowing every standard requires being up to date in the loop. I just try to be fair, correct, and use my best judgment and normally that's enough! Good talking to you. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Oh hey, re: the change you mentioned - the sources are already in the article. Read later in the paragraph, what I changed was already sourced but was not completely changed. I was just gnoming - I don't see how I could have made it more clear, advice is always welcome. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Featured Artist? ==<br />
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I remember reading somewhere once that it's "Guest singles" - was this a change in the last couple of years as well?<br />
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And sorry, that was my IP there...I never notice when it logs me out. -.- [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, it was you! haha i didn't realize. hmmmmm i've actually never seen it like that; i was just going by other FLs, and Swift is the featured artist on those singles. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, I fully agree she's featured artist; I actually heard the one song today! I found in the history the person who changed it back yesterday and left a [[User talk:Ipodnano05#Comment Regarding This Edit|note]] on the talk page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh, okay. Yeah, I actually [[WP:BOLD|changed it to be in a separate table myself]] a couple of months ago, but was shot down, and when I brought the discussion to the talk page, the idea wasn't welcomed. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:35, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Wait a second - they shot down the correct treatment? I would argue vehemently that "Half of My Heart" is a John Mayer single, not a Taylor Swift single. The treatment being applied is now correct and anyone who wants to give a different opinion can't really refute that. Separate tables are correct. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:37, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm glad you agree. I think someone used the argument that it passed FL without that being raised as a concern, but that doesn't mean the article is perfect. Actually, if you ask me, the article should be demoted from FL; it is not representative of Wikipedia's best work and is unsourced in some areas (which FLs never should be). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Maybe we can work on that and simply remove unsourced material that we can't find a source for? Maybe I'll study this one for a while; Glee is pretty drab this week with no new episode. I'm gone allday 2morrow, tho.<br />
::::::I've also [[Talk:Taylor Swift discography#Yes, Please|revived]] the discussion on the talk page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I see that! Well, first of all none of the peaks for featured singles are sourced. Also, the peak for "Crazier" in the UK is not referenced, no ref for ''Fearless'' peak in Germany, no ref for ''Taylor Swift'' peak in the UK, no ref for "Breathless" CAN peak (it is actually incorrect, according to the allmusic source), and "Jump Then Fall" and "Crazier" Australian peaks are not referenced. Pretty bad for an FL. I'm disappointed. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::After I do my Facebook gaming, I'll take a look at some of these if I can figure out good places to find them. AllMusic I tend to use for some rating information, in fact, so if the one is wrong I can change it. But I'd rather have an actual chart source even so. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Looks like you found some sources (and the gaming is going strange, I'm chasing ghosts in Frontierville now and have to harvest Pumpkins), and the person I left a note for does want to try to help. Go ahead and watch my talkpage, I've said to carry on the discussion there and it lets you also keep tabs since I'm gone during the day 2morrow. If you want to make another arrangement (such as your talk page), I'll let you get in touch with him under my last post there, but I don't mind hosting the discussion and helping a bit myself. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I did not attack the person, just said don't be dumb. There is a difference. Don't overreact, and also don't post beginner templates on my wall [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 21:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Alright, i respectfully disagree, but whatever. Anyways, the album booklet does not have times, but its on the CD. Do I use the same template? Booklet has lyrics and the "hidden messages". Also all those notes that I am not going to add in because its way too tedious. [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 21:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Superbowlbound&diff=392294209User talk:Superbowlbound2010-10-22T21:53:14Z<p>Superbowlbound: </p>
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Hello, Superbowlbound. When making edits to an article, especially with criticism such as yours, a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] is needed. If you can find a reliable source that backs up the information your saying, please feel free to take away the citation needed tag. [[User:Hello32020|Hello32020]] 02:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Umm, its been in our school newspaper. Its not online. You know not all sources that are realiable are also virtual.<br />
::To be reliable, it also has to be accessible over time. This doesn't necessarily mean online, but in all probability your school doesn't keep excellent archives of school newspapers. You would at least have to cite the name of the paper, edition, etc. --[[User:Autocracy|<span style="background:darkblue; color:white">'''Auto'''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Autocracy|<span style="background:#B0C4DE; color:black">''talk''</span>]] / [[Special:Contributions/Autocracy|<span style="background:#B0C4DE; color:black">''contribs''</span>]])</sup> 02:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::[http://www.gvsd.org/gvhs/surveyor/oct-nov2006.pdf] page 11 there are two things. Proved you wrong. And there is another article not on there. Any other questions, ask first.<br />
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::::If you're going to add that kind of criticism, you don't leave it unsourced, and you don't just point to a source and say "it's in there" without citing it properly yourself. Also, no single editor assumes authority on a subject to the point where they ask edits to go through them. It doesn't work like that. -- '''[[User:Shoejar|Shoejar]]'''<sup>''[[User talk:Shoejar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shoejar|edits]]''</sup> <small>03:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
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==Pitt deletion==<br />
A Pitt related page, [[Oakland Zoo (cheering section)]], has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are important. Please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oakland Zoo (cheering section)]] and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).<br />
You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 06:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hey Superbowl, we're definitely on the same side here. But, I would like to gently tell you about these admins who are not going to pay much credence to the argument of "because Cameron Crazies exists too". You'll get [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] slapped on you pretty quickly. See this page [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]]. It's not wrong to bring up (because precedence is important even though wikipedia says it shouldn't be taken into account), but the article deletion discussion would be better served by at least also providing comments about the Oakland Zoo's notability (i.e. you could say it is continually discussed on national TV broadcasts) or simply refer back to points in other people's arguments (eg. per FrankAnchor). The other thing, the admins that make the decision will not appreciate being overly zealous by applying arguments all over the page to try to bring attention to your point, and they especially don't like seeing insults (though you and I are thinking the same thing). The good thing is, with the revisions to the Zoo page, I think we've made it obvious that it clearly passes a notability test. Anyway, thanks for helping keep the article and for your contributions to the Pitt-related pages![[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, no big deal, your vote is very important. I am sure future Pitt articles will need your help as well so its important to figure out how to most effectively deal with these things. That WVU guy is right on with some stuff regarding AFD policy, but is showing clear bias (and admitted bias) in light of [[WP:LOCALFAME]]. But, he seems to be relenting at least as far as his Mountaineer pride will let him.[[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right, with the two buisness schools, it was still 17. I was confused by the number because both schools are listed under one business heading, so I though the number went up to 18, but the count of 17 was right originally. I actually wasn't counting Falk as one before. <br><br />
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While the Falk School is not a "School" of the university, it is a component of the School of Education, and falls under their administration. The Falk School is actually owned and operated by the university, and this is typical for universities with education schools to run their own laboratory school. It is not a "School" or "College" in a collegiate sense, but it is a school, so was not sure where to list it in the template. I had it with Schools because of lack of place to put it, but it probably belongs better under Miscellanea. BTW, thanks for your contributions. We are going to be starting a Pitt wikiproject soon so I hope you become a part of it! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, one thing, a lot of these component school and colleges have come under AFD nominations recently (like the [[University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health|Graduate School of Public Health]]). This is happening all over the place with both with ours and other University schools. We really need to make sure these schools seem notable, not just list what they offer. It is inevitable that someone will come by and AFD tag it with [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory]] or try to have them merged back into the main Pitt article. Of course, I'm of the opinion all of these are notable, or at least the articles have the potential to be notable. Please keep working on them otherwise they're sort of sitting ducks. The "mid priority" pittsburgh project tags are great, as they will help dissuade an AFD, but won't work on everyone. Try to use something like the GSPH article as a model for avoiding the AFDs. Things that help make it seem notable are rankings (like USNews with ref tags), history (with ref tags), research and money (with refs) and any impact it had on a larger level nationally or internationally (look in archive searches of local newspapers, etc). The latter will be hardest to find, but they should be ok with the first two. Wikilinking them and adding them to categories (like [[:Category:Business schools in the United States]]) will help protect them too. University Times is great for some of the more current news/rankings and the [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/d/documentingpitt/ digital archive] is great for older things like history of the schools. History of Pharmacy, School of Buisness, CGS (extension division), can be found [http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pittathletics;c=pittcatalogs;c=pittchancellor;c=pittcommence;c=pittcourant;c=pittfact;c=pittmiscpubs;c=pittpennwest;c=pittyearbooks;cc=pittmiscpubs;g=documentingpitt;xc=1;xg=1;q1=starrett;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=00afj8718m here]. I'd say the pages that are in immediate danger include: [[University of Pittsburgh School of Arts and Sciences|Arts & Science]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of Business Administration|CBA]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine|Dental]], [[University of Pittsburgh College of General Studies|CGS]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing|Nursing]], [[University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy|Pharmacy]], and [[University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work|Social Work]]. Thanks again! [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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As a current or past contributor to a [[University of Pittsburgh|Pitt]]-[[:Category:University of Pittsburgh|related]] article, I thought I'd let you know about '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pittsburgh|WikiProject University of Pittsburgh]]''', a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the [[University of Pittsburgh]] and the [[Pittsburgh Panthers|Pitt Panthers]]. If you would like to participate, you can visit [[Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pittsburgh|the project page]], where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! [[User:Addbot|Addbot]] ([[User talk:Addbot|talk]]) 19:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A pitt student, fantasy fan, eagle scout, German speaker... if you juggled, I'd say you just took my spot at Pitt when I graduated. [[User:Lyellin|Lyellin]] ([[User talk:Lyellin|talk]]) 01:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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There is an ongoing debate regarding the introduction of the article for the [[University of Pittsburgh]]. In search of [[WP:Consensus]], please let your opinion be known regarding the [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Public vs independent, state-related|debate]] and [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh#Versions of the intro under debate|possible solutions]] at [[Talk:University of Pittsburgh]]. Thank you and [[Hail to Pitt|Hail to Pitt!]] [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Pitt-PSU ==<br />
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Superbowlbound, I didn't want to step on your toes as you originally moved the Pitt-PSU article to "Pennsylvania Classic" a couple years ago, but I have moved it back to [[Pitt-Penn State rivalry]] after a pretty thorough search for the use of this term in reference to the rivalry. The reason behind checking on this at this time was because a book about PSU football has just come out that has the term listed in its description. This book is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from [[User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books|Alphascript Publishing]] that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. Now, there is no way I'm going to buy a book about PSU to check if it is using it to refer to the rivalry, but since I cannot find one source using "PA Classic" (nor have I ever heard it used that way myself outside of Wikipedia), I believe that the PSU book has used Wikipedia as its source and in this way is becoming a self-perpetuating instrument of what is most likely an incorrect terminology, and in this way violating [[WP:OR]]. If you have a good reasoning behind the use of this term or a good [[WP:SOURCE|source]] for it, please contact me and let me know, and I'll be happy to revert these changes. For reference, the following articles linked to PA classic and were changed: [[Pitt football]], [[Template:University of Pittsburgh]], [[List of NCAA college football rivalry games]], [[Big East rivalries]], [[College rivalry]], and [[Penn State Nittany Lions football]]. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the reason for the changes. Thanks for all your Pitt contributions. [[User:Crazypaco|CrazyPaco]] ([[User talk:Crazypaco|talk]]) 22:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Speak Now'' ==<br />
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:Please use [[Template:Cite album-notes]] and make sure to fill out page numbers, publisher (record label), publisherid (on CD spine and/or in fine print in booklet), and format. I'm not sure how you got the album, because it has not yet been released, but if you do have it, you should be able to fill in these data. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo|talk]]) 21:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speak_Now&diff=392294118Speak Now2010-10-22T21:52:40Z<p>Superbowlbound: Based on Itunes? That is all. Also if you want to answer my question on how to source, please do. otherwise don't post on my page</p>
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| Artist = [[Taylor Swift]]<br />
| Released = {{Start date|2010|10|25}}<br />
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| Label = [[Big Machine Records|Big Machine]]<br />
| Producer = Scott Borchetta <small>(exec.)</small>, [[Nathan Chapman (record producer)|Nathan Chapman]],<ref>{{cite web|url=http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=11212129 |title=Taylor Swift to Release Concept Album in October |publisher=Abcnews.go.com |date= |accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> Taylor Swift<br />
| This album = '''''Speak Now'''''<br />(2010)<br />
| Last album = ''[[Fearless (Taylor Swift album)|Fearless]]''<br />(2008)<br />
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| Name = Speak Now<br />
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| Single 1 = [[Mine (song)|Mine]]<br />
| Single 1 date = August 4, 2010<ref name="leak">{{cite web|url=http://www.cmt.com/news/news-in-brief/1645091/taylor-swifts-new-single-mine-shipped-to-country-radio-after-leak.jhtml|title=Taylor Swift's New Single, "Mine," Shipped to Country Radio After Leak|date=August 4, 2010|publisher=[[Country Music Television]]|accessdate=August 4, 2010}}</ref><br />
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'''''Speak Now''''' is the upcoming third [[studio album]] by American [[country pop]] artist [[Taylor Swift]]. The [[concept album]]<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Taylor+Swift+release+concept+album/3308064/story.html|title=Taylor Swift to release concept album|first=Leah|last=Collins|work=[[The Vancouver Sun]]|date=July 22, 2010|accessdate=July 22, 2010}}</ref> is set to be released in on October 25, 2010.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://speaknow13.com/2010/new-cd-released-date-announced-oct-25th/ |title=NEW CD RELEASE DATE ANNOUNCED &#124; Countdown to Taylor Swift’s new single |publisher=Speaknow13.com |date= |accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> Swift has been working on the album for the past two years.<ref name="autogenerated1">{{cite news|last=John |first=Christopher |url=http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/07/21/taylor-swift-sets-release-date-for-new-album-speak-now/ |title=Taylor Swift Sets Release Date for New Album 'Speak Now' - Speakeasy - WSJ |publisher=Blogs.wsj.com |date= July 21, 2010|accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> An upcoming world tour was confirmed for the album.<ref name="RollingStone">{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/183729|title=Taylor Swift Announces Third Album, 'Speak Now'|work=[[Rolling Stone]]|first=Daniel|last=Kreps|date=July 21, 2010|accessdate=August 1, 2010}}</ref> The official cover was released on August 18, 2010.<ref>[http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/check-out-taylor-swifts-new-album-cover-2010188 Check Out Taylor Swift's New Album Cover] - ''[[Us Weekly]]'' Wednesday – August 18, 2010 – 2:28pm</ref><br />
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==Writing and development==<br />
Swift wrote all of the songs on the album without co-writers. Speaking on a live webcast on July 20, 2010, she said, "I actually wrote all the songs myself for this record. It didn't really happen on purpose, it just sort of happened. Like, I'd get my best ideas at 3:00 AM in Arkansas, and I didn't have a co-writer around and I would just finish it."<ref name="theboot1">{{cite web|author=Posted Jul 21st 2010 9:00AM by Nancy Dunham Comments [1] |url=http://www.theboot.com/2010/07/21/taylor-swift-online-fan-chat/ |title=Taylor Swift on New Album, New Home, Favorite Fan Moments |publisher=The Boot |date= |accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> 60% of the album was recorded in producer Nathan Chapman's basement. Some of the songs will feature a full [[orchestra]], including [[String section|strings]].<ref name="RollingStone" /><br />
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==Promotion==<br />
Swift performed the song "Innocent" at the [[2010 MTV Video Music Awards]] on September 12, 2010. The song is reportedly about rapper [[Kanye West]], who caused controversy at the award show the year prior.{{Citation needed|date=October 2010}} Some of the tracks were previewed in advance of the release date: "[[Speak Now (song)|Speak Now]]" on October 4, "Back to December" on October 11, and "Mean" on October 18, 2010. These three were subsequently released to the [[iTunes Store]] the following day, respectively.<ref name="Rolling">{{Cite news|url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1648777/20100927/swift__taylor.jhtml|title=Taylor Swift Rolling Out ''Speak Now'' Tracks Early|date=September 27, 2010|first=Jocelyn|last=Vena|publisher=[[MTV News]]|accessdate=September 27, 2010}}</ref> Additionally, "The Story of Us" will see its preview on October 22, 2010 through [[Comcast]] on-demand and XfinityTv.com.<ref name="Rolling" /> "Speak Now" debuted on the [[Billboard Hot 100|''Billboard'' Hot 100]] at number eight and on the ''[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]'' [[Hot Country Songs]] chart at number sixty the week of October 11, 2010, selling 217,000 digital downloads.<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3id48ea20039ae74bdfcc9ebf4439e73c1|title=Chart Moves: 'Glee,' Mavis Staples, Stephen Colbert, 'Social Network,' Pink |first=Keith|last=Caulfield|first2=Silvio|last2=Pietroluongo|date=October 14, 2010|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 14, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/chart-highlights-country-dance-club-play-1004120283.story|title=Chart Highlights: Country, Dance/Club Play Songs & More|date=October 11, 2010|work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 11, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.billboard.com/news/toby-keith-s-gun-fires-at-no-1-on-billboard-1004120559|title=Toby Keith's 'Gun' Fires at No. 1 on Billboard 200|date=October 13, 2010|first=Keith|last=Caulfield|work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 13, 2010}}</ref> "Back to December" debuted at number six on the Billboard Hot 100, with 242,000 digital downloads.<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/genre/e3i493aa786b5893edc9b7afa6eb4f225b5|title=Chart Moves: Lil Wayne, David Archuleta, Taylor Swift, Kanye West|date=October 21, 2010|first=Keith|last=Caulfield|first2=Silvio|last2=Pietroluongo|work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 21, 2010}}</ref><br />
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===Singles===<br />
The first single, "[[Mine (song)|Mine]]", was released on August 4, 2010, instead of the planned August 16 release, after being [[Internet leak|leaked]].<ref name="leak" /> The music video shoot was in [[Kennebunkport, Maine]] in early July.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/183729|title=Taylor Swift Announces Third Album, 'Speak Now'|work=[[Rolling Stone]]|first=Daniel|last=Kreps|date=July 21, 2010|accessdate=August 26, 2010}}</ref> Swift said the single was about her tendency to "run from love".<ref name="autogenerated1"/> For the week of August 21, 2010, "Mine" debuted at #3 on the Hot 100 and #1 on digital songs due to 297,000 digital downloads. This was less than what was predicted but "Mine" was only out for about 4 days due to the rush release of the single. The song also debuted at #53 on Radio Songs due to 23.9 million listeners on all radio formats. About 60% of these impressions were on country radio, leading to "Mine"{{'s}} debut at #26 on the U.S. Billboard Hot Country Songs chart.{{Citation needed|date=October 2010}}<br />
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==Track listing==<br />
The album will have fourteen tracks, all of which were written solely by Swift.<ref name="theboot1"/><ref name="RollingStone" /> Speaking about the songs, Swift said, "Each song is a different confession to a person."<ref name="RollingStone" /> The official track list was revealed on Swift's official website on September 22, 2010.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.taylorswift.com/news#speak-now-tracklist|title=Speak Now Tracklist!|publisher=TaylorSwift.com|accessdate=September 22, 2010}}</ref><br />
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===Deluxe edition===<br />
A deluxe edition solely for release by the [[Target Corporation]] was announced that will feature a slightly different cover, with Swift in a red dress. To be released on the same day as the standard edition, it will include three additional tracks, three [[Acoustic music|acoustic versions]], and thirty minutes of video content: the [[music video]] for "Mine", as well as behind-the-scenes footage of its production.<ref name="Target">{{cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Speak-Now-Deluxe-CD-DVD/dp/B004008F58/|title=Speak Now (Deluxe Edition)(CD) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1647945/20100915/swift__taylor.jhtml|title=Taylor Swift Announces Deluxe Version Of ''Speak Now''|date=September 15, 2010|first=Jocelyn|last=Vena|publisher=[[MTV News]]|accessdate=September 18, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PEOPLE_TAYLOR_SWIFT|title=Taylor Swift partners with retailer for new CD|date=September 15, 2010|publisher=[[Associated Press]]|accessdate=September 18, 2010}}</ref><br />
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== Bruno Mars ==<br />
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I removed it because in my book, it's redundant and irrelevant. I don't ever use the format field when creating or revamping a discography. [[User:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|EnDaLeCoMpLeX]] ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|talk]]) 22:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Like I said, I don't like using it. It makes tables to large in areas where it doesn't need to be. So basically I highly dislike the use of the format field in discographies. [[User:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|EnDaLeCoMpLeX]] ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|talk]]) 20:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Umm I think I saw it on a discussion with EPs that if an EP is less than 5 songs, it may chart on the singles chart. Like in the US, it may chart on the Hot Singles Sales chart. In the UK however, it is just listed in with the UK Singles Chart. When I first saw that it had charted there, I, too, was pretty confused, but then I remembered the discussion. <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 14:35, 18 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Please be careful when changing content. You recently moved the notes section and added My First Kiss peak in Germany. Both edits have been reverted. The Notes were moved per FL comment and according to [http://musicline.de/de/chartverfolgung_summary/artist/3oh!3/single this link] My First Kiss has not charted. Thank You :) - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 18:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, I didn't know about the Notes part, sorry! As for "My First Kiss" ft. Ke$ha charting in Germany: well it's only debuted on the charts this week at #38 (sources here: [http://www.viva.tv/charts/viva-top-100-kw-32-2010-42/video/?start=30&clip=38], [http://www.mtv.de/charts/germany]) and [http://www.charts.de/search.asp?extended=1&cat=s&artist=&artist_search=starts&title=My+First+Kiss&title_search=starts a search for "My First Kiss" on charts.de] shows that it has charted, but not within the top five (a.k.a. "premium members content"). It's probably gonna be on musicline.de sometime soon, but I'll leave it out for now, since there are no legit sources (yet!). Thanks so much for letting me know! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 19:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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You have talkback on my page. Im not aware if your "watching" my page for a reply or not so i thought id let you know :) - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 07:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== List of songs in Glee ==<br />
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Hey! I don't know whether you've seen, but [[Glee (season 1)]] passed FL :D Over on the [[Wikipedia talk:Featured topic questions#Glee (season 1) good topic|Good Topic talkpage]], [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]] has suggested that we should try and include the season's musical articles as well as episodes in a GT nom, which would entail pushing the five album/EP articles and the concert tour up to GA, and the song list (which is probably about ready for splitting into separate season 1 and 2 lists) to FL. With the latter in mind, I've found that [[List of songs in Guitar Hero]] and its sequels are about the only comparable existing FLs. I think over time, the Glee song list has grown more elaborate and possibly less functional, and that simplifying and modelling it a little more after the Guitar Hero example might be beneficial. Particularly I think that making it sortable would be a good way to go. As a major contributor to the article, I wanted to consult you before making any changes, and to see what we can come up with. I'm playing about with it a bit in [[User:Frickative/List of songs in Glee (season 1)|a sandbox]] so you can see roughly what I'm thinking, and I'm eager to hear your thoughts :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 18:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hey there! That sounds perfect! I just saw the sandbox page you started, and it looks amazing! Must have taken so much time, so props to you! And yes, I would very much be interested in promoting those articles to (at least) GA. Sorry I haven't responded about ''Glee: The Music, Volume 1''; I got busy with some other things. Alright, now we have something to work towards! I will definitely contribute, and love the idea to split the song list into seasons, and then just make the original article a disambiguation page. Go ahead! :D [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 07:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:The information I was adding DID have a reliable source, I was adding it when my information got wiped out! And I don't appreciate being patronized![[User:SPNic|SPNic]] ([[User talk:SPNic|talk]]) 19:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 2010 MTV Video Music Awards ==<br />
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Who are you to decide what's a reliable source or not. I stated my legitimate source so therefore you have no right to take it down. In no way are you above me so you have no right to assume so. Thank You. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Teairra989|Teairra989]] ([[User talk:Teairra989|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Teairra989|contribs]]) 19:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== September 2010 ==<br />
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[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]'''&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:2010 MTV Video Music Awards]]. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] to work towards wording and content that gains a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If the edit warring continues, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing''' without further notice. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> <span id="sig" style="background:#FFFFC0">'''[[User:Giftiger_wunsch|<font face="Verdana" color="#900000">Giftiger<font color="#FF0000">Wunsch</font></font>]]''' [[User_talk:Giftiger wunsch|<font face="Tahoma" color="#0060A0">[TALK]</font>]]</span> 20:01, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Katy perry teenage dream cover ==<br />
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well, i am not blind... i bought the deluxe edition of the album, and that is the one without the title. please go to google and look for the cd on the hmv group. see the deluxe cover and the standard cover, thank you. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Salgado96|Salgado96]] ([[User talk:Salgado96|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Salgado96|contribs]]) 15:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
::To sort the issue once and for all I've brough the discussion up '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Teenage_Dream_%28Katy_Perry_album%29#Cover.2C_text_vs._no_text here]'''. Please not that unless there is a general consensus and agreement that the inclusion of two covers is correct only one cover should remain at the article. -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 14:39, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== RE: Britney Glee "Me Against The Music Source ==<br />
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http://www.bscreview.com/2010/08/britney-spears-glee-pics/ - Spears and "Brittany" performing "Me Against The Music" - source. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.102.199.46|94.102.199.46]] ([[User talk:94.102.199.46|talk]]) 22:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== RE:Auto-Tune ==<br />
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Looks like you may be right according to the Wiki article. However a proper noun is a noun representing unique entities (such as London, Jupiter, or Toyota). But auto-tune is generic and is not a specific type of auto-tune technology or instrument. Also auto-tuned is a verb, and verbs are capitalized. Auto-Tuned? <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 20:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Katy ==<br />
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Ok, but this single has already the single cover, [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firework_%28can%C3%A7%C3%A3o_de_Katy_Perry%29 see here] and will relase betimes. And for this, has many source that. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 00:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Ok. The time that say the true. And betimes means ready, soon, etc. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 00:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry, but my english is not so good, but i will to Canadá and improve it. I intend live here one day and know the Avril Lavigne (is my dream). In Brazil she is only success since 2002 until now. Returning the subject, the article's Katy Perry in wiki-pt has many sources that confirms the notice is true, and not speculation. I know that here has rigid rules. But that article is good. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 17:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee - Britney Spears related singles ==<br />
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I work at Tommy2.net and have access to password protected press sites such as Sony, and they updated their Glee release list today with "...Baby One More Time," "I'm A Slave 4 U," "Me Against The Music," "Stronger," "The Only Exception," and "Toxic." How can i cite a reference when it's not a public website? I have included a screenshot of the actual page mentioned to support my information with blank sides cropped off so photobucket doesn't resize the image too much. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Kevin87/gleesonyreleases.jpg<br />
[[User:Kevin87|Kevin87]] ([[User talk:Kevin87|talk]]) 20:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hmmm interesting. Since, there is no way one can get to that site, I'm afraid we cannot include it in the article for now. Wikipedia has a policy called [[Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth|Verifiability, not truth]], and even if it is true, which it certainly seems to be, it is not verifiable. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== BEP ==<br />
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No prob.<br />
:Sure [[User:TBSfan1223|TBSfan1223]] ([[User talk:TBSfan1223|talk]]) 00:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Chord Overstreet]] ==<br />
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Wow, I just started writing a draft to replace the old copyvio version last night and this morning, I saw you had already finished a new article on him. If you add 200 more letters, it can be [[WP:DYK|DYK]]-ready. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 12:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Two hundred letters or two hundred words? I'll see what I can add. :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 12:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Letters. It's ready now, and I have put it up for DYK at [[Template_talk:Did_you_know#Chord_Overstreet]]. If everything checks out, it'll be on the main page in about a week. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 02:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== List of Songs in Glee (season 2) ==<br />
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I keep trying to add "Lucky," by Jason Mraz and Colbie Caillat to the list of songs for glee season 2, but you keep taking it down. it has been confirmed through source number 35 on that same page (link: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Glee-Season-2-1023350.aspx) The TV Guide article states: "When the brass section kicks in to the umpteeth take of "River Deep, Mountain High," the actors watching the performance on the monitors go wild as if its the first time they're seeing it. Michele bops her head along, mouthing the lyrics and cheering. ''''Later, after Dianna Agron, who plays Quinn, and new cast member Chord Overstreet, who plays new student Sam, perform Colbie Caillat and Jason Mraz's "Lucky," Rivera sighs dreamily. 'That was so sweet!'"'' It clearly states what song is being sung and by whom. It is definitely in episode 4 because it is being shot at the same time as "River Deep, Mountain High." If there is a reason why this cannot be added, please clarify it for me. If not, would you please re-add it to the list. Thanks! (I do not mean for any of this to sound nasty, so if it does, I apologize). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.228.31.39|24.228.31.39]] ([[User talk:24.228.31.39|talk]]) 01:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== Rocky Horror Glee Show EP ==<br />
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Hey, I noticed that someone jumped the gun a bit by starting an empty ''[[Glee: The Music, The Rocky Horror Glee Show]]'' article. It got me thinking - I'm working on a draft of the [[User:Frickative/The Rocky Horror Glee Show|episode article]], and wondered whether we could combine efforts to include your userspace page on the EP as a soundtrack section. That way all the info would be available for development in the mainspace, and the EP could be split off into a separate article once there's enough coverage to make it independently notable? [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 17:06, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds great; Good idea! Let's do it! :D [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Ace! I've got a few more sources to check through before I move it to the mainspace, but I've added the soundtrack in now :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 18:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Opinion request ==<br />
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Could you give your opinon [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Discographies/style#Removal_of_.22other_charted_songs.22|here]]? Thanks in advance. <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 01:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Certainly! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey.. I know I've been pretty mean to you in the past and I just wanted to apologize to you for that - I can be a bit hot headed at times.. so I'm sorry for being mean to you. I hope you can look past it. :) <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:Nowyouseeme|<span style= "color:Black;background:#9370DB;">'''Nowyouseeme</span>]][[User talk:Nowyouseeme|<span style="background:Black;color:#9370DB;">talk2me'''</span>]]</span> 03:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Of course; I accept your apology! I know people get angry sometimes, and I've already forgiven you haha. Of course we'll look past it! =) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yvesnimmo]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DYK for Grilled Cheesus ==<br />
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== Edit Summaries ==<br />
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Who has two thumbs and doesn't care about edit summaries? THIS GUY!!! Quit spamming my talk page kthx. --[[User:TheTruthiness|TheTruthiness]] ([[User talk:TheTruthiness|talk]]) 05:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
**<big>'''''IT'S NOT A RULE'''''</big>, I don't '''have''' to put edit summaries, I don't want to, won't. Keep it up and I'll report you for abuse. --[[User:TheTruthiness|TheTruthiness]] ([[User talk:TheTruthiness|talk]]) 05:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I replied on my talk page. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] ([[User talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]]) 17:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Congrats ==<br />
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid purple;" | I award you this for your great work on [[Nicki Minaj discography]] cleaning it up (except adding the airplay Pop Songs chart) lol! Maybe sometimes soon we can collaborate on making the article a FL, if interested. Congratulations, you deserve it! <font face="Tahoma"><font color="3399FF">[[User:Candyo32|Candy]]</font><font color="CCCCCC">[[User talk:Candyo32|o32]]</font></font> 21:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyonce Discography ==<br />
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Hi, thanks a lot. I'm happy you like my work. Henceforth, i will use the edit summary box. Don't worry, i haven't added anything contributing to vandalism. On the contrary, i am improving it. I have made the whole (practically the whole as i am still left with 4 more references) verificable. Just compare how it was before i start to work on it. Thanks a lot for your appreciation. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 08:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, thanks for your guidance. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Succession boxes ==<br />
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Hi. I see you are against the removal of succession boxes from articles for songs and albums that hit #1 on music charts. There is a discussion ongoing at [[WT:CHARTS]] and, while the general opinion seems to be against them and consensus is growing in that direction, it is valuable to have opinions from all sides. --[[User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars]] ([[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|talk]]) 10:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: October 2010 ==<br />
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Arg! I'm so frustrated with myself. I usually ALWAYS forget about that. I'll be sure to remember before I save anything. [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 21:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Loud ==<br />
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No she wrote that music. She wrote '''all''' the song "Cheers", but there is a sample parts too that will remember the Avril Lavigne's songs. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Is a sample and wrote '''all''' that song. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Writting is a collaboration, you're not understanding about it. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:34, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Avril is a songwriters than album. [[User:Vitor Mazuco|<font color="#FF2400">Vitor</font> <font color="#000080">Mazuco</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vitor Mazuco|Msg]]</sup> 23:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DYK for Chord Overstreet ==<br />
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== Ummmm... ==<br />
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Good with trying to get people to leave an edit summary on everything that is done on here. I've learned that it's not going to happen. Plus the fact you seemingly wasted your time telling me this, someone whose been editing long enough, seemed a bit condescending. No offense. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 08:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Some "minor" edits I generally don't add a summary. I add summaries for larger edits. For that specific edit, all I did was just turned the ref list into two columns.<span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 12:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::See what? <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 18:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Were looking at the references section of [[Just the Way You Are (Bruno Mars song)]]? That's what I changed to make it into two columns. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 19:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I guess something is messed up on your end. I can see it fine. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 20:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I use Firefox and that's why I'm able to see it. <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 23:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help ==<br />
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I am trying to add the [http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582 deluxe edition of the Australian release of ''Doo-Wops & Hooligans''] to [[Doo-Wops & Hooligans|the album page]] (date: October 15, 2010; label: Warner Music), but it's messing up for some reason. This is what I'm trying to accomplish:<br />
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|Austria<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.at]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
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|Canada<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.ca/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo - Wops & Hooligans: Bruno Mars|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.ca]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Germany<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.de]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Mexico<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans/id394282240|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Digital download<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="Unveils"/><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Doo-wops-Hooligans-DVD-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B0042LRTBG/|title=Doo-wops & Hooligans (CD/DVD)(Bonus Tracks) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Atlantic, Elektra<br />
|rowspan="3"|CD<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
<br />
and it comes out as:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|France<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.fr/Doo-Wops-Hooligans/dp/B00443PTL4/|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|language=French|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.fr]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 4, 2010<br />
|[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]]<br />
|rowspan="2"|[[Music download|Digital download]]<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="AmazonUS" /><ref name="AmazonDeluxe" /><br />
|[[Atlantic Records|Atlantic]], [[Elektra Records|Elektra]]<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|Austria<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.at]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="5"|October 5, 2010<br />
|rowspan="4"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="3"|[[Compact Disc|CD]]<br />
|rowspan="3"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Canada<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.ca/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo - Wops & Hooligans: Bruno Mars|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.ca]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Germany<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.de/Tbd-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Tbd|language=German|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.de]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><br />
|-<br />
|Mexico<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans/id394282240|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/mx/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] México|language=Spanish|accessdate=October 5, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Digital download<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United States<ref name="Unveils"/><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Doo-wops-Hooligans-DVD-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B0042LRTBG/|title=Doo-wops & Hooligans (CD/DVD)(Bonus Tracks) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|Atlantic, Elektra<br />
|rowspan="3"|CD<br />
|Standard, Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
<br />
The "Australia" and "October 15, 2010" cells are not coming out as a rowspan of 2. Am I doing something wrong here? Articles like ''[[I Am... Sasha Fierce]]'' and ''[[The Fame Monster]]'' have this done correctly, and I'm not sure why it's not working here. Thanks in advance!<br />
[[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 02:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hmm, I can't seem to get it to work either. I've been working on it for like 15 minutes and it's doing the exact same thing to me as it is to you. I even thought maybe another rowspan was off, but I can't seem to figure it out. <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::So frustrating. I don't know where I'm going wrong here. I know it's not anything to do with the references, because I even tried removing all of them (I cringed whilst doing so) and the same thing showed up in the preview. And it doesn't work when I try adding the [http://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id394571295 Canadian deluxe edition], either. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Very strange. I don't think I've ever come across a problem like this before. Maybe try retyping it all over again? Or have you tried that already? <big><span style="color:orange">EnDaLeCoMpLeX</span></big> ([[Special:Contributions/EnDaLeCoMpLeX|contributions]]) • ([[User talk:EnDaLeCoMpLeX|let's chat]]) 03:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, trying out something simpler. Only looking at New Zealand downward, with no rowspans:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
comes out fine as:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<br />
|October 15, 2010<br />
|Warner Music<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
and when I merge a couple of cells, it comes out great as:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|CD<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|CD<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
The problem is, though, when I try to merge the New Zealand and Australia "CD" cells:<br />
<pre><br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}</pre><br />
And I get:<br />
{|class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Region<br />
! Date<br />
! [[Record label|Label(s)]]<br />
! Formats<br />
! Edition<br />
|-<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|CD<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|rowspan="2"|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2190666/Doo_Wops_And_Hooligans|title=Doo Wops And Hooligans|publisher=[[Sanity (music store)|Sanity]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://itunes.apple.com/au/preorder/doo-wops-hooligans-deluxe/id396985582|title=Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Deluxe Version)|publisher=[[iTunes Store]] Australia|accessdate=October 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Digital download<br />
|Deluxe<br />
|-<br />
|United Kingdom<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doo-Wops-Hooligans-Bruno-Mars/dp/B003ZJ0ZX0/|title=Doo Wops & Hooligans|publisher=[[Amazon.com|Amazon.co.uk]]|accessdate=October 3, 2010}}</ref><br />
|January 24, 2011<br />
|Elektra<br />
|CD<br />
|Standard<br />
|}<br />
Totally not understanding why this is being colloquially stupid. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Me neither. I located the issue, as it works fine with<br />
<pre><br />
...<br />
|New Zealand<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|October 11, 2010<br />
|rowspan="3"|Warner Music<br />
|rowspan="2"|Standard<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010<br />
|-<br />
|Australia<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.warnermusic.co.nz/news/bruno-mars-unveils-album|title=BRUNO MARS UNVEILS EAGERLY AWAITED DEBUT ALBUM “DOO–WOPS & HOOLIGANS”|publisher=[[Warner Music Group|Warner Music]] New Zealand|accessdate=September 14, 2010}}</ref><br />
|foo<br />
|bar<br />
|}<br />
</pre><br />
:so the issue is the colspan 2 for the country name. But idk how to fix it. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 04:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::The issue seems to be using colspan to merge cells for the last column you are working with ("Format" for me in the example above). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Archiving ==<br />
<br />
Have you considered [[WP:Archive|archiving]] your talk page? It's 112 KB long and has 79 topics. [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#When to condense pages|The talk page guidelines]] suggest archiving after a talk page has become larger than 50 KB, or has more than 10 main sections. Not doing so can make the page difficult to navigate and also make it difficult for users with slow Internet connections to view the page. How to archive is detailed [[WP:Archive|on the archive page]]. Cheers! <span style="font-family: Verdana">— [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <sup>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|talk]]</sup></span> 05:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, I have lol. I've just never done it before, and didn't really wanna learn how as it's never been an issue for me. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::I can do it for you, if you like; I can make it 'auto-archive' things that are older than 'x' days. If you want that, just reply below, let me know how many days; 30? perhaps. Whatever you like. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Haha well sure, if you don't mind! That's very generous of you. :) And maybe not thirty; how about sixty? Question: what if, hypothetically speaking, during a sixty-day period, there are no or only a few discussions? Would it still be archived even if there are only a few sections? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 06:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::OK, I've set up this page for auto-archiving, as discussed.<br />
<br />
::::Normally, I prefer to explain how to do stuff, but in the case of archive set-up, it's easier to just do it for you. The voodoo to make it work is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yvesnimmo&diff=389839959&oldid=389839658 here]; the bot should come along within about a day and kick things off. Note the archive box at the top which, currently, will say "no archives yet (create)" - don't create anything, just let the bot do its thing.<br />
<br />
::::It's set to 60 days (60d), you might want to change that. Note that a) it won't archive very small threads or things with no sigs in (ie no date) - you can cut those yourself and paste 'em into the archive page if you want.<br />
<br />
::::And to answer your question: it is possible to specify a minimum number of threads, so it won't archive if there are less; I've set that to <nowiki>| minthreadsleft = 4</nowiki> for now.<br />
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::::So - that's about it; no action required, just let the bot do its thing, and - if I've done it correctly - all should be well. If it goes wrong, of course, give me a shout. Cheers! <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Thanks, Chzz! Appreciate it! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 07:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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So, please give it ''another'' 24 hours to start. Again, sorry. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 05:52, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Haha. That's quite alright! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Looking at the bot, I think it should get to you around 20:30 UTC, so, about 10 hours from now; I'll check back of course. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yvesnimmo/Archive_1&action=history Yay], seems to be fine. I'll stop watching, so give me a shout if you ever have problems with it. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:50, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyonce's Fourth Studio album ==<br />
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Don't you think that the time has come to create a page for Beyonce's fourth upcoming studio album? So many artist have one for their albums due 2011 such as Rihanna (Loud), Kelly Rowland (Kelly Rowland), Kanye West (Dark Twisted Mind), Young Jeezy............ [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Jivesh boodhun|Jivesh boodhun]] ([[User talk:Jivesh boodhun|talk]]) 05:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does it have a name yet? Beware of [[WP:HAMMER]]. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC) <small>(Just a comment, in passing)</small><br />
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== Chronology ==<br />
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"In a studio album article, the chain (for most artists) should include only other studio albums, excluding live albums and compilations; these other types can also have their own separate chains. For some artists '''it may be more appropriate''' to include all album types in one chain, but care must be taken to maintain the integrity of chains, so that when album "A" points to "B" as the next album, "B" points back to "A" as the last (previous) album."<br />
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I really don't care about the chronology, but this change is only gonna cause edit wars and more discussions between other users. Plus, artists like Madonna and Michael Jackson have only one chronology. [[User:Xwomanizerx|Xwomanizerx]] ([[User talk:Xwomanizerx|talk]]) 21:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:But they don't. Michael Jackson's greatest hits / remix albums have their own separate chronology (''[[Number Ones (Michael Jackson album)|Number Ones]]'', ''[[The Ultimate Collection (Michael Jackson album)|The Ultimate Collection]]'', ''[[The Essential Michael Jackson]]'', etc.) as do Madonna's EPs (''[[Remixed Prayers]]'', ''[[The Holiday Collection (EP)|The Holiday Collection]]'', etc.). It makes more sense to have different chronologies for different album types. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 22:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== California Dreams Tour ==<br />
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Your edits to the [[California Dreams Tour]] have been reverted and quite frankly this all seems quite [[WP:LAME|redundant]] if you think about it. A country is defined as a territory of an independent nation. This [[List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe|list]] you are referencing refers to a sovereign state. A sovereign state is a grouping of nations or territories that operate under one unified government. In the case of the United Kingdom, it is the countries of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland that create the United Kingdom. I am not saying that you are wrong but to state that "England is not a country, I know what it is" is pretty absent-minded. If you would like, I do not mind creating a entry on the talk page so that other editors can weigh in on this matter. [[User:Itsbydesign|Itsbydesign]] ([[User talk:Itsbydesign|talk]]) 08:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===While it isn't fan-made...===<br />
Well , just asking, while it isn't fan-made ([[Katy Perry|Perry]]'s official twitter), it shouldn't be a reliable source? <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 16:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Honestly, I, think Perry wouldn't lie about that. But agree! [[Capitol Records|Capitol]] probably will add that information really soon in Katy's official site. Thanks for all, <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 17:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[WP:AIV]] ==<br />
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Saw that you were unsure about your report of [[User:AtomicMarcusKitten]]. In general, only pure vandals should be reported to AIV. This user seems to do quite a bit of good work, but definitely has some interaction issues. Consider making a report at [[WP:AN/I]]. Regards, '''[[User:Jujutacular|<span style="color:#006400;">Jujutacular</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jujutacular|talk]]</sup> 15:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:FYI, just saw another admin has blocked the user - we'll see if their behavior improves after the block. '''[[User:Jujutacular|<span style="color:#006400;">Jujutacular</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jujutacular|talk]]</sup> 15:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Are we removing other charted songs from the new discographies? [[User:Ending-start|<font color="SteelBlue">'''ΣПDiПG'''–STΛЯT]]</font> <font color="Blue">[[User talk:Ending-start|<small>(Talk)</small>]]</font> 00:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Per [[WT:DISCOGSTYLE]] consensus, no. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fixing Loud Album Refs ==<br />
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I'm not use to the [[citation templates]] way of referencing but theres no rule saying you can't do it the way I did. I fixed all the refs that most of the contributors were to lazy to do. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 00:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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They way I set out the referencing was correct but the only thing I didn't use was the citation templates. Feel free to correct it, but don't be lazy and revert my editing. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 01:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I didn't say you reverted it, but if you do correct the refs, don't be lazy and revert my edits. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 01:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Stop Editing the [[T-Pain]] templete ==<br />
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The songs you are "fixing" are legit singles that have charted or are offcial singles If you're going to "fix" the templete then fix the songs, rather than deleting them.<br />
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== NO ==<br />
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I'm aware that. Please stop reverting it back so i can fix the promotional singles. There is a page for both songs that aren't redirected pages. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.173.135.8|67.173.135.8]] ([[User talk:67.173.135.8|talk]]) 00:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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== October 2010 ==<br />
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[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]'''&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Template:Kesha]]. Users who [[WP:DISRUPT|edit disruptively]] or refuse to [[WP:COLLABORATE|collaborate]] with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. If unsuccessful then '''do not edit war even if you believe you are right'''. Post a request for help at an [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If edit warring continues, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing''' without further notice. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:SpigotMap|<font color="BLACK">'''Spigot'''</font>]][[User talk:SpigotMap|<font color="GRAY">Map</font>]] 14:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kesha ==<br />
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Re. [[Template:Kesha]] and the possible addition of "We R Who We R"<br />
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Please discuss this on the talk page, [[Template talk:Kesha#We R Who We R]].<br />
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Thanks, <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Other charted songs (2) ==<br />
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Okay! But what about Last Friday Night? <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Where's the reliable source that [...] T.G.I.F. charted on Hot 100? It does not appears anything on Billboard's Katy Perry archive... <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:47, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ok! ==<br />
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Thanks, appreciate your help! <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 21:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, if you could review me on my [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Pedro João|review page]], it would be nice, thanks <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Pedro João|Pedro João]] '''['''[[User talk:Pedro João|talk]]''']'''</span> 22:00, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I see you removed by addtion on 'Only Exception' by Paramore article ==<br />
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You undid my edit right?<br />
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Don't worry. Once Wikipedia removes Examiner TV from the blacklist you can't call it unreliable anymore. So if it does comeback again there. Please don't delete or undo my editing in the future on that article when it does. Thank you [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 02:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It might. I am still appealing for it to be removed. Anyways, I'll just get back to you on that one when if it does. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 02:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well I was looking all over the net for a more reliable source that is more appropriate than Examiner TV's but they all lead back to that site. I also had a look at Billboard's website but I didn't manage to find anything other than this:<br />
[http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/weekly-chart-notes-glee-kenny-chesney-phil-1004119807.story#/column/chartbeat/weekly-chart-notes-glee-kenny-chesney-phil-1004119807.story Weekly Chart Notes: 'Glee,' Kenny Chesney, Phil Collins ].<br />
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It doesn't really look like a reliable source and it makes my edit look like a POV. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 09:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Rocky Horror Glee ==<br />
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With all due respect, all Glee soundtracks for EPs thus far have been released the day the show airs. The episode airs on October 26, and I'm still surprised that iTunes shows October 19 still (as do others I think, and I only found this after making the change). See my edit summary for my initial change reason, which was, and I quote, "''Not sure if the source matches, but Glee is pre-empted Oct. 19 for baseball playoff (World Series?). Therefore, EP will be released the day the show airs (Oct. 26).''" While I have doubt in my mind now, I can't see them releasing the album a week before the episode. I think the sites just haven't been notified to push it back by a week. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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(Before replying on my talk page, see the notice there and please honour it by replying here. I will be watching this page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC))<br />
:I understand why you may be sceptical, but ''Glee'' soundtracks have been known to be released before the airing of episodes with respective tracks: ''Volume 3 Showstoppers'' was released before "Theatricality" and "Funk" aired, ''Volume 2'' before "Sectionals", and ''Volume 1'' before "Wheels". I couldn't tell you for certain why they're releasing it a week early, but October 19, 2010 is what is shown by [http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/glee-the-music-the-rocky-horror-glee-show-in-stores-october-19-103922393.html FOX's official press release], [http://www.gleethemusic.com/us/music/glee-music-rocky-horror-glee-show-0 the ''Glee'' Cast's official website], [http://www.sonymusicdigital.com/glee/details/5693178?current_country=US the Sony Music store], [http://itunes.apple.com/preorder/glee-the-music-the-rocky-horror/id395337246 the iTunes Store], [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0046756O8/ Amazon.com], [http://hmv.ca/Products/Detail/597936.aspx hmv], [http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Glee-The-Music-The-Rocky-Horror-Glee-Show/Glee/e/886977964626 Barnes & Noble], [http://www.billboard.com/news/glee-announces-rocky-horror-album-details-1004117202.story ''Billboard''], and many, many other reliable sources. I don't think these could have ''all'' gotten the date wrong? Especially the stores where physical release or shipping is guaranteed to happen. Unless you have found a reliable source saying the EP will be released the twenty-sixth...? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Maybe they're making an exception for Halloween since there are only five days between the episode and Halloween? *shrug* And makes me wonder if Glee will tackle a Christmas episode; nothing has been announced one way or the other on that yet. Again, I made the edit before I found the Oct. 19 in iTunes and couldn't figure out why.<br />
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::As a side note, the Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 3 were based on multiple episodes. EPs are usually on one episode. This would be the first early '''EP''' release if it's on the 26th. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Hmmm yeah, but aside from episode accompaniment, there hasn't been much difference in promotion or sales (as can be seen by chart peaks) between the albums and the EPs. And I'm not sure about a potential Christmas episode. SuBo's supposed to guest-star and sing one of the songs from her [[The Gift (Susan Boyle album)|second album]], though. I do not believe they have started production, though. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 03:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I heard about the Susan Boyle bit, too. That will be exciting for the cast, I think. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: idol discography ==<br />
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the reason i made this page is cuz the american idol page has a discography list, so i figured id add a canadian idol discography page. also, i added american idol albums list cuz lots of albums from american idol charted in canada, so i wanted to note those too. also, im not the only 1 who edits that page. i know its not the most frequently edited page on wikipedia, but i thought i would make this page for ppl who were curious bout how good or how bad canadian idol (and some american) were doing post-show. so i dunno why y'ure makin such a big deal bout this.<br />
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== Oh boy: first IP edit; revert ==<br />
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Well, wait at most one day and I'll see you edit warrig about it, let see if the first IP still being it. BTW it is not the first. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 01:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Forget it, I see the confusion now. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 01:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I thought that you were saying to me something like "C'mon is the first IP in edit, you do not need to add PLEASE DO NOT ADD THE FAME MONSTER" (see my entire edit), that's why I said "you'll be reverting many of them tomorrow". [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Ta</font><font color="#DAA520">lk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tbhotch|<font color="#2C1608">C.</font>]]</sup> 02:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee: The Music, The Christmas Album ==<br />
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Not sure if you've heard about this one yet, but someone just linked me to the tracklist at [http://tommy2.net/content/?p=18457 Tommy2]. No other sources on it at present (except a placeholder [http://www.billboard.com/album/glee-cast/glee-the-music-the-christmas-album/1456058#/album/glee-cast/glee-the-music-the-christmas-album/1456058 Billboard page]), but worth keeping an eye out for :D [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 15:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Interesting!! I wonder if it's the same as the "Tbd" album on Amazon.com? Neither of the two sites reveal a track listing, so I'm not sure. I certainly will keep an eye on it! Looks interesting, because I thought that album would be ''Volume 4'' and not this one. I don't know if they will sing these on the show, though... there are twelve of them, and they have never done that many in an episode. Maybe they will only include some of them, or this is just an extra Christmas release, like "Last Christmas" was (speaking of which, I wonder if that version is the one on this album). In any case, the SuBo song is probably "O Holy Night", as it's the only one on her album. I wonder why ''Billboard'' has the album up when no other retailers or news sources do... Speaking of Tommy2, I'm doubting whether it's a reliable source or not. What do you think? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 16:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I think for Wikipedia purposes it might not meet the requirements, but it does have a proven track record for accurately publishing all previous ''Glee'' titles and tracklists before other media sources. I agree it's unlikely all the tracks will make it on to the show, though it would be a shame if none of them do - I love a good Christmas song! I think with past releases it's taken the media a couple of days to a week to catch up once Tommy2 have got the titles up, so hopefully there should be some more info available in the next few days. Wondering why it's taking so long to get ''Volume 4'' out though! [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 17:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Not sure, though, because there are different faiths in ''Glee'', and there are no Hanukkah or Kwanzaa songs or anything like that. I'll wait until there are at least a few reliable sources before mentioning it in the season two or list of songs page. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm inclined to believe it, but I've checked the RS noticeboard and Tommy2 got a 'no' in 2007 and a 'borderline, only for uncontentious facts' in 2008. That said, I've done some quick Googling and a cast Christmas album was mentioned as early as [http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37242700 May], and re-confirmed by Murphy [http://entertainment.stv.tv/tv/199286-susan-boyle-glee-cameo-confirmed-by-ryan-murphy/ a few weeks ago] (with the mention of a November release date), so perhaps it could be mentioned in the season two article with Billboard as a ref for the title? I don't mind if you'd rather wait, though. This has given me a little push to finally get on with that merchandise article :) [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 21:35, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Nice work! :D Go ahead and add it! As for the tracklist, that would be considered contentious now, right? And remember to just mention November as the release date: who knows, maybe ''TBD'' is ''Volume 4'', eh, or maybe they'll be released not far apart from each other? You never know. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:42, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Frickative: you never told me about this on MSN? =O<br />
::::::Certainly exciting! [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Ooooh look: it's on [http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Glee-The-Music-The-Christmas-Album/Glee/e/886977856723 Barnes & Noble] and the [http://www.amazon.co.jp/Glee-Music-Christmas-Album-Cast/dp/B00442OCYK Japanese Amazon.com] (as an import from the US), but it's not on any other Amazon.com country sites. Release date confirmed! :) Maybe it is the same one as the "TBD" one on Amazon.com? Can't know for sure, though. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:38, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::A Christmas episode is confirmed! http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/10/20/ask-ausiello-spoilers-glee-desperate-30-rock/ but nothing about songs or the album is. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fun? ==<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=We_R_Who_We_R&action=history Isnt this fun?] Are you enjoying it as much as i am? [[Image:Confused-tpvgames.gif|20px]] - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 20:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:omfg shoot me now. or them. not sure which one. i really like your way of adding information and then quickly reverting it haha. ensures well-referenced additions are made as sources come out so time won't be wasted trying to compile it all at a later date, as well as keeps page redirected. :P [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hahahah, thank you. I do it that way because each time i add a ref, the article slowly gets bigger and i archive every reference so its easier for maintenance. And omfg, can you please read rules before you edit, i knew this article was going to be a b***h but i didnt think it would be this much of a pain, though im extremely surprised no one has changed [[Cannibal (EP)]] to a studio album, which im quite happy about. - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 21:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think it's pretty much standard, especially with the discussion at ''[[The Fame Monster]]'' lol. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 21:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Why? ==<br />
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Why do you get soo offended when i call you an airhead? It isn't even offensive!! I love them, they always make me laugh and i try and befriend them LOL!!!!!!! (real life obv) god knows why you find it offensive, and blocked me before due to it. jeez.[[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You clearly are offended...and omg, even you can admit following the "five pillars" is sad, seriously, come on now! From what i know of you, you're not a very nice person, and all what you say comes across as being very snotty...[[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Go ahead then![[User:AtomicMarcusKitten|AtomicMarcusKitten]] ([[User talk:AtomicMarcusKitten|talk]]) 21:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Glee Cast Discog ==<br />
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We ought to consider a change here. If we continue with the page as it now is, that "Singles" section is going to become pages and pages long by the time Season 3 finishes. I'm going to chat with Frickative about this as well, but maybe we ought to break it into seasons, or even half-seasons, and forget the year? Maybe in seasons, we can then identify the episode for each song or something in place of the year (putting episode at the end of the table). This is a unique situation here and having 200 singles in a chart like this is something that you'll rarely see on a discography; even [[George Strait]], the most popular man in country music I think, has 50 #1 singles and won't have as many singles overall as Glee will after this season (if not already; he has 88 singles overall listed here and it's already broken into decades). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You have a very good point haha. I just finished browsing the [http://toolserver.org/~enwp10/bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&projecta=Discography&namespace=&pagename=&quality=&importance=&score=&limit=2185&offset=1&sorta=Importance&sortb=Quality 2,185 discography pages], and as you may have seen already, many are broken into albums and singles (and sometimes posthumous) discographies, with Michael Jackson's albums discography even being divided into [[Michael Jackson albums discography (certifications and sales)]] and [[Michael Jackson albums discography (peak chart positions)]], with [[Michael Jackson albums discography]] remaining as a page. Browsing extensive singles discographies, though, we have [[The Beach Boys discography|The Beach Boys]] (> 100), [[Dolly Parton discography|Dolly Parton]] (106), [[David Bowie discography|David Bowie]] (108), [[Rod Stewart discography|Rod Stewart]] (109), [[Barbra Streisand discography|Barbra]] (117), [[Stevie Wonder discography|Stevie Wonder]] (~125), [[Ray Charles discography|Ray Charles]] (127), [[Elton John discography|Elton]] (128), [[Aretha Franklin discography|Aretha]] (131), [[Celine Dion singles discography|Céline]] (137), [[Elvis Presley international hit singles|Elvis]] (~200), and the most is probably [[Frank Sinatra discography|Frank Sinatra (297)]]. None of these are divided in separate pages, though most are divided in decades. The Ol' Blue Eyes discography has divided its singles into the record labels (which we can't do), and then into years. Like you said, I think seasons is the best way to do this. Maybe pages like [[Glee Cast albums discography|''Glee'' Cast albums discography]], [[Glee Cast singles discography (season 1)|''Glee'' Cast singles discography (season 1)]], [[Glee Cast singles discography (season 2)|''Glee'' Cast discography (season 2)]], and then other charted songs can go in the singles discographies of the respective seasons? I think we should wait first, though, until the second season is over, because only then can we accurately judge page growth; they did say the second season was going to have fewer songs, eh? The first thirteen episodes of the first season were slow in singles (4, 3, 2, 1, 4, 3, 4, 3, 5, 6, 6, 3, 4 [+ [[Last Christmas|1]], [[Karaoke|5]]]), but then things really picked up in the back nine (5, 7, 5, 5, 5, 4, 5, 6, [[Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals|0]]). So far the second season has been averaging six (5, 6, 7, 6, [[Glee: The Music, The Rocky Horror Glee Show|0]]) and it has fluctuated, so we can't really tell if they're increasing or decreasing from this point. The cast of ''Glee'' has currently released 119 singles, though only 112 are in the table (with 6 other charted songs in its own table). I think we should wait, though, after two seasons have aired, before actually dividing any pages. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You know what? After going through all those discography pages, I have to say the ''Glee'' Cast one is actually pretty short lol. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:42, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I'm all right with keeping everything as one page. If we were to change anything into multiple pages, I'd say have a [[Glee Cast Season 1 Discography]] page and a [[Glee Cast Season 2 Discography]], keep the albums (even the EPs) where they are, and have the singles only on the season page. Otherwise, we leave the entire page alone but break the page at "Good Vibrations" (listed last in the ''Funk'' episode), give that now-ended section a '''Season 1''' sub-header, then put a new header in below and continue charting for Season 2.<br />
::Again, I'll ask Frickative her opinion as well. I worked with her to get the Season 1 article to FL status, and I know she's GAed a lot of episode articles, so I highly value her opinion as well. I see her on MSN as I type, so I'll poke her right now. =D [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Hahaha alright; I highly value her opinion as well. :P For naming conventions, though, I don't think [[Glee Cast Season 1 Discography]] would work, as that would imply the artist name is "Glee Cast Season 1", which it isn't. If you look at Olivia Newton-John's singles templates, they're divided into [[Template:ONJSingles1|Olivia Newton-John singles (1971-1990)]] and [[Template:ONJSingles2|Olivia Newton-John singles (1992-present/Other singles)]], so I think the parenthetical notation is the preferred method, like it was done for the MJ discography. I think I agree with you on the season split; I think I will do that. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:20, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I'll be happy to do it, I already have an idea in mind for how it could look. =) Let's get her opinion first tho.; she's looking through some FL discogs ATM. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:23, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Oh sorry; I already [[WP:BOLD|went ahead and did it]]. Is that what you were thinking? Or something different? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's part of it! I also had a couple of other changes I was thinking about. I'm going to use my [[User:CycloneGU/Sandbox|userspace]] to play with it a bit and show you what I have in mind. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::(multiple edit conflict later :p) Hey! I think at this point in time I agree with keeping everything in one article (obviously we can reconsider in the future if things keep growing exponentially) and just splitting the singles up by season. Perusing the lengthier featured discographies it seems they're either split up by decade or a specific "era", which in ''Glee'' terms given the massive output is probably the equivalent of a season. The way it's been split now looks good to me :) There have been some [[WP:ACCESS]] changes lately that means some of the code for the tables needs tweaking - I think the biggest change is having the title column first rather than the year, but that's a minor issue that doesn't affect this discussion. [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 14:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Yeah, there are new [[WP:DISCOGSTYLE]] guidelines to satisfy the [[WP:ACCESS]] part of [[WP:MoS]] (for example, I've already converted the discography at [[Bruno Mars]]), and I'm going to get around to that soon! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 14:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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See my [[User:CycloneGU/Sandbox|sandbox]] as I've started making one suggested change. I've only done two episodes so far on the first season, but if this is a good change I can continue for the entire season. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: *poke* I saw you active at the other discussion I started, I'm waiting for your opinion on this before I add additional edits in my userspace. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Well just to let you know, the layout's gonna change to be something like what you see at [[Rihanna discography]], with the song title (most important part) coming first. Maybe it can be at the end? I'm not sure if you should have them; we originally had them, but they were removed for some reason, I think because discographies don't normally have that (for example, see [[Hannah Montana discography|''Hannah Montana'' discography]]), although I don't know. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 18:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Yup, I know that I reverted the addition of episode titles at some point, though that was several months ago, and my rationale was that it's not a standard facet of discographies. It also possibly creates some redundancy with the song lists. That said, however, I can see that it could be useful information, as ''Glee'' is in the rather unique position of essentially having a soundtrack to each episode, so it could be pertinent to note which came from where? I don't really mind either way - perhaps it would be okay if the episodes were moved to the far end column, so they could be easily removed if it became a problem in future? [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 19:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Frickative has now made that change in my sandbox copy. It now more closely resembles the Rihanna discography you link to. The only difference is that Certifications is absent; basically, the uniqueness of "Glee Cast" might allow us to include the extra column for this one, because each episode is its own "album" in a sense. The exceptions are the third and fourth episodes, which had releases totalling 2 and 1 respectively.<br />
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::::We can also wipe out Sales and replace it with Certifications if there are any, but I don't think there are (except perhaps for "Don't Stop Believin'"). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 00:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Great job! Thanks, Frickative; I was just about to do that, and you saved me a lot of time! :D If you don't mind, I will continue the rest of the episode name additions, and yes, I believe the sales column should be replaced with certifications: there are a couple! [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm thinking of removing the album column from the second season singles table, because they are all non-album singles. What do you think? Or would you like that information to remain there for people to know they aren't from any album? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 00:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Leave the Albums section in. We have to have an album tracklist sooner or later.<br />
::::::I wonder if we can also add the Christmas album to the albums listings BTW, without a link since we only have one supposedly unreliable source (which has proven for this purpose quite reliable, mind) so far? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Already added lol. (B&N) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 02:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I see that now. =)<br />
::::::::Should we put the new Singles layout into the article now? I'll be happy to transpose it in, just gotta be sure we don't erase something from the current article version in error in the transfer. Otherwise, it can stay in my Sandbox for further tweaks. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think it's ready to transfer now. :) I just left out the years from the season 2 songs because the heading is already 2010&ndash;present, but do you think we should add them for consistency? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I completely missed that column. Do we really need that in there? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Well we definitely will when episodes air in the new year, so we might as well, right? And just to keep it consistent within both tables. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::I meant in the first table as well. We're branching it into seasons, and therefore it will take place from 2009-2010 with releases assumed somewhat chronologically. Therefore, why are we including that column? I think this is a rare situation where we can avoid using that column because with 86 singles in a two year span it's kinda redundant. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
{{od}}Well to show which singles were released in each year, right? [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, I know that. But again, does it matter? We know it was released during Season 1, a period which (with exception to the pilot in May) took place in a span of less than a full year. Season 1 is already by itself now, and Season 2 as well. We've just made the year redundant. Either that or we mash it back together and keep the year column in. Personally, I prefer the split and the year omitted.<br />
:Also, from [[Wikipedia:DISCOGSTYLE|DISCOGSTYLE]], the end of the policy has the rule, "Ignore all rules". While I'm not exactly doing that, it states "...if there is a reasonable justification for deviating from the above guidelines to most accurately or appropriately document an artist's <nowiki>[e.g. cast's]</nowiki> body of work, then ignore all the rules and go with what's best for the article." This is what I think is best for the article, get the year column outta there. It's not necessary.<br />
:I'm curious about Frickative's thoughts on the matter, hopefully she will chip in after getting some sleep. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Haha omg don't even talk to me about sleep. Sounds good, though; as long as we discussed it, and in case it comes up during peer review or FL nom (which i hope to see this page go to!). =) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Heehee, I helped get one page there, I'd love to see another get there (though in this case you have a big hand in getting it there!). The challenge will become updating it during all of the nominating with new figures and such, and while the mid-season break gives a chance for just reviewing and fixing stuff, the second half of the season (and season 3) will start introducing possible changes and could throw the page out of FL. Hopefully we can get it there and keep it there! =D [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:29, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Well that shouldn't be hard, right? New figures are easily accessible on ''Billboard'' and all second season peaks are updated with reliable references, with the exception of two ARIA peaks (we need to wait until the Pandora Archive has those). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Well, I see you omitted year now. =) After Frickative comments on the page in the morning or whenever, we'll look into transferring it back to the Glee page in updated form. Wanna give her a chance to comment first. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Sounds good! Imma go to bed now or I will miss orgo chem in the morning. Good night + ttyl! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 05:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
{{od}}One more thing I'm noticing. I didn't copy "Other Singles" and am debating how to treat that one. Since it's a thing that all non-single songs will go into without a split, that one would need the year. Either that or we can split those as well into each section with the same sub-header each time, but that might be too much.<br />
I may leave it for your judgment, but I'll think about it for a bit. I'm back on the job searching prowl today and won't be here all day, but will be for a bit. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 13:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Gooood morning/afternoon/evening... whenever :p Re: other charted songs... my current thinking iiiiis to leave it as one section (it's relatively small, if there were dozens of songs there it would probably be a different matter), and hm, I think it's okay to have dates there. It might be a slight inconsistency with the season singles tables, but given the sheer multitude of singles there, repeating the same date up to 30 times seems redundant and better covered through the date range in the section header. With the other songs, as there are only a handful of entries, redundancy isn't so much of an issue. I hope that makes sense. The edited singles tables in the sandbox now look great to me, happy to see them transferred into the mainspace :) [[User talk:Frickative|<font face="Courier New">Frickative</font>]] 15:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Tables imported, the other songs chart is fixed up a bit, Frickative is doing a little more on it but I put episodes in there as well for that consistency and put in the scope bits (which I'm learning about just today while editing). Off to job searching. We need a new source for Jessie's Girl certifications, apparently the reference name wasn't valid. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I fixed that; sorry, my fault. It's all good now; looks great! Good luck with the hunt! :) [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 17:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::So I've added a bit of background information about the performers and the music of ''Glee'' in the lead; seems to be what they are looking for in FLs (examples [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lady Gaga discography/archive1|here]] and [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Kesha discography/archive1|here]]). I've also added [[non-breaking space]]s and added the ''Glee'' task force banner to the task force; thought it was already added, but I guess not (unsure about whether to rate top or high, though... maybe high?). Anything else you guys think needs fixing or work on? Some wording, maybe? I'll look at some FLs tomorrow(today) and see if there's anything specific with the refs that might need some minor tweaking (for example with work vs. publisher). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 04:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sam Tsui ==<br />
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Hey! I recently made a few changes to the Sam Tsui page which were undone, and would just like to explain a few of them before attempting to re-edit them. And just as a disclaimer, I'm not sure how this is supposed to be handled, but I actually AM Sam Tsui and was simply intending to update the article and also just make it more coherent and easy to understand. For example, saying "using multiple pitch variations...ranging from tenor to baritone" is actually somewhat nonsensical as relates to the MJ Medley, which is (as KurtHugoSchneider's Youtube channel states) is an SATB arrangement; namely the top part is considered soprano, and the bottom bass. Removing the "labels" section of the information box was simply because while there were digital releases through Sh-k-Boom and Mudhut, "Sam Tsui" is not actually signed to these labels, so that's incorrect. Saying "former" member of the Duke's Men of Yale IS in fact verified on their website by virtue of his no longer being on the roster of active singers. Adding other popular videos such as the Love the Way You Lie Mashup or Lady Gaga Medley are again simply derived directly from the Youtube channel, which is already sourced several times throughout the article. I certainly wished to remove "American Baritones" from the list of categories because this is simply not true - baritone is a classification of a kind of male voice, and one really shouldn't be considered both a tenor and baritone, even if he sings in the ranges of both. Similarly, tenor as a category generally includes classical male singers, which I (Tsui) am not. Changing Chinese to half-Chinese, again, is just a matter of fact. And as the source myself, I guess I'm confused as to how i can make this simple factual change. In general, I guess I'm just asking how I can get some of these changes through without always having the article be reverted. Many thanks, Sam. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samtsui.music|contribs]]) 08:30, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
::::Thanks for your hasty response - I don't intend to be difficult, but a few things. One: The arrangement IS in fact SATB, as it clearly states on the video for the page itself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12QVtuB0_Q, "To download the sheet music PDF (in SATB) for this song:" The pdf itself, which is available there, is written in SATB - and again, an arrangement is considered SATB if it is written as such, regardless of what kind of voice is singing it. A tenor is entirely capable of singing such an arrangment, with it still being considered SATB. So I would love to be able to change this, as the source itself defines the arrangement as SATB. Secondly, in that very Duke's Men website you linked to, "Sam Tsui" is NOT on the roster of active singers, but is listed as "class of '11", as an alumnus. Third, I must emphasize that it's misleading to list Mudhut and Sh-ka-Boom under "labels", as there is in fact no verifiable source that Tsui is signed to these labels, but merely engaged in Digital Releases. In fact, the Youtube channel lists Tsui as "unsigned" which I believe is amore verifiable source. Thanks! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samtsui.music|contribs]]) 17:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><br />
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::::Okay, first of all "using multiple pitch variations" make little to no sense from an a cappella singing/musical standpoint. The article quoted is not only uncited (and unsourced, as neither myself or Kurt were interviewed), but the article itself contains a number of sentences written in English with incredibly poor grammar, so to quote this phrase specifically (which is non-idiomatic English) seems inappropriate. Secondly, a male is absolutely capable of singing an SATB arrangement - check out Chanticleer, or any number of groups containing male sopranos or altos. If a piece is arranged SATB, then even if a male is singing it, it remains an SATB arrangement. "Ranging from baritone to tenor" certainly does not make sense, as there is not even a baritone part in the arrangement, and the lowest part is in fact bass. Again, I do not mean to be difficult, but this is a minor edit that would make this piece of information more clear. I guess as regards the Duke's Men, will I at least be able to change "member" to "former member" as of 2011? I guess the difficulty I'm finding is that I'll of course always be listed as a "Duke's Man class of 2011", but I think it would be misleading to call me a member of the Duke's men, say, years after i'm no longer attending Yale or singing with them. Again, these are not huge deals, but would be nice to make clearer [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]]) 17:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, I'm not suggesting that Tsui IS either a soprano or alto - but the the verifiable truth is that he performs an SATB arrangement, which is both true and verifiable from the pdf arrangement itself. Part of what makes the video unique is the fact that he DOES in fact perform the parts which would usually be sung be women and other voice parts - thus, he is a tenor PERFORMING an entire SATB ARRANGEMENT. Again, "tenor to baritone" really does not make sense. [[User:Samtsui.music|Samtsui.music]] ([[User talk:Samtsui.music|talk]]) 20:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Jessica Mauboy discography ==<br />
Its already been set for a November 5 release. Sony have been telling fans on her facebook, mypsace, Twitter, in the media, they've done adds for it on iTunes and yesterday they released a snippet of all songs off the album. I don't think it'll be delayed. [[User:Ozurbanmusic|ozurbanmusic]] ([[User talk:Ozurbanmusic|talk]]) 22:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazon release dates ==<br />
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You have to be very careful with iTunes and Amazon. In the UK singles are released on Sunday or Monday to make the most of the chart week which runs from Sunday to Sunday. (its different to the US and Australia). However for pre-releases Amazon nearly always had multiple dates. Below the track list it usually has a section which says release date and genre etc. If you scroll to the top of the page there's a blue box in the left-hand corner that says "This album/single will be available on October 24, 2010". -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 20:12, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Why does it say the release date ''and'' the original release date are the twenty-first? :S [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 20:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Amazon always does that because 21 October will be the date it goes active in Ireland as Irish singles are released on Fridays to coincide with their chart week. Its very confusing but I can assure you that if you tried to buy the single on the 21 you wouldn't be able to because its not going to active till October 24. -- [[User:Lil-unique1|<font color="SteelBlue">'''Lil_℧niquℇ №1</font>]] <font color="black"> &#124;</font> [[User talk: Lil-unique1|<font color="OrangeRed">talk2me</font>''']] 23:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
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I thought I had added references to specific episodes. I generally do so, but in this case maybe I skipped a step. Apologies, and thanks for the kind note. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, I have a username, and usually forget to log in. And I have had numerous IP addresses too. I cannot keep track of them all. If I do log in, it is as Qermaq, and I have extensive experience in a similar MediaWiki environment elsewhere but that was years ago. I try to adhere to standards, but you are probably aware that a dabbler is at a disadvantage because knowing every standard requires being up to date in the loop. I just try to be fair, correct, and use my best judgment and normally that's enough! Good talking to you. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Oh hey, re: the change you mentioned - the sources are already in the article. Read later in the paragraph, what I changed was already sourced but was not completely changed. I was just gnoming - I don't see how I could have made it more clear, advice is always welcome. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.255.210|72.70.255.210]] ([[User talk:72.70.255.210|talk]]) 22:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Featured Artist? ==<br />
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I remember reading somewhere once that it's "Guest singles" - was this a change in the last couple of years as well?<br />
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And sorry, that was my IP there...I never notice when it logs me out. -.- [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, it was you! haha i didn't realize. hmmmmm i've actually never seen it like that; i was just going by other FLs, and Swift is the featured artist on those singles. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, I fully agree she's featured artist; I actually heard the one song today! I found in the history the person who changed it back yesterday and left a [[User talk:Ipodnano05#Comment Regarding This Edit|note]] on the talk page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh, okay. Yeah, I actually [[WP:BOLD|changed it to be in a separate table myself]] a couple of months ago, but was shot down, and when I brought the discussion to the talk page, the idea wasn't welcomed. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:35, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Wait a second - they shot down the correct treatment? I would argue vehemently that "Half of My Heart" is a John Mayer single, not a Taylor Swift single. The treatment being applied is now correct and anyone who wants to give a different opinion can't really refute that. Separate tables are correct. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:37, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm glad you agree. I think someone used the argument that it passed FL without that being raised as a concern, but that doesn't mean the article is perfect. Actually, if you ask me, the article should be demoted from FL; it is not representative of Wikipedia's best work and is unsourced in some areas (which FLs never should be). [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Maybe we can work on that and simply remove unsourced material that we can't find a source for? Maybe I'll study this one for a while; Glee is pretty drab this week with no new episode. I'm gone allday 2morrow, tho.<br />
::::::I've also [[Talk:Taylor Swift discography#Yes, Please|revived]] the discussion on the talk page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I see that! Well, first of all none of the peaks for featured singles are sourced. Also, the peak for "Crazier" in the UK is not referenced, no ref for ''Fearless'' peak in Germany, no ref for ''Taylor Swift'' peak in the UK, no ref for "Breathless" CAN peak (it is actually incorrect, according to the allmusic source), and "Jump Then Fall" and "Crazier" Australian peaks are not referenced. Pretty bad for an FL. I'm disappointed. [[User:Yvesnimmo|Yves]] ([[User talk:Yvesnimmo#top|talk]]) 01:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::After I do my Facebook gaming, I'll take a look at some of these if I can figure out good places to find them. AllMusic I tend to use for some rating information, in fact, so if the one is wrong I can change it. But I'd rather have an actual chart source even so. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Looks like you found some sources (and the gaming is going strange, I'm chasing ghosts in Frontierville now and have to harvest Pumpkins), and the person I left a note for does want to try to help. Go ahead and watch my talkpage, I've said to carry on the discussion there and it lets you also keep tabs since I'm gone during the day 2morrow. If you want to make another arrangement (such as your talk page), I'll let you get in touch with him under my last post there, but I don't mind hosting the discussion and helping a bit myself. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Thank You==<br />
Thank you for correcting me about the use of the "m" (minor edit) button. I guess I lent too much elasticity to the term...I have corrected my mistake. Thank you Yves! :-) (mango 21:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC))<br />
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== Personal Attack? ==<br />
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I did not attack the person, just said don't be dumb. There is a difference. Don't overreact, and also don't post beginner templates on my wall [[User:Superbowlbound|Superbowlbound]] ([[User talk:Superbowlbound|talk]]) 21:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)</div>Superbowlboundhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speak_Now&diff=392292516Speak Now2010-10-22T21:41:59Z<p>Superbowlbound: /* Track listing */</p>
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| Name = Speak Now<br />
| Cover = Taylor Swift - Speak Now cover.png<br />
| Border = yes<br />
| Type = Studio<br />
| Artist = [[Taylor Swift]]<br />
| Released = {{Start date|2010|10|25}}<br />
| Recorded = 2009–10<br />
| Genre = <!-- Do not add until the whole album is released and until there are sources for it --><br />
| Length = <!-- Do not add until the whole album is released and until there are sources for it --><br />
| Label = [[Big Machine Records|Big Machine]]<br />
| Producer = Scott Borchetta <small>(exec.)</small>, [[Nathan Chapman (record producer)|Nathan Chapman]],<ref>{{cite web|url=http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=11212129 |title=Taylor Swift to Release Concept Album in October |publisher=Abcnews.go.com |date= |accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> Taylor Swift<br />
| This album = '''''Speak Now'''''<br />(2010)<br />
| Last album = ''[[Fearless (Taylor Swift album)|Fearless]]''<br />(2008)<br />
| Misc = {{Singles<br />
| Name = Speak Now<br />
| Type = Studio<br />
| Single 1 = [[Mine (song)|Mine]]<br />
| Single 1 date = August 4, 2010<ref name="leak">{{cite web|url=http://www.cmt.com/news/news-in-brief/1645091/taylor-swifts-new-single-mine-shipped-to-country-radio-after-leak.jhtml|title=Taylor Swift's New Single, "Mine," Shipped to Country Radio After Leak|date=August 4, 2010|publisher=[[Country Music Television]]|accessdate=August 4, 2010}}</ref><br />
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'''''Speak Now''''' is the upcoming third [[studio album]] by American [[country pop]] artist [[Taylor Swift]]. The [[concept album]]<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Taylor+Swift+release+concept+album/3308064/story.html|title=Taylor Swift to release concept album|first=Leah|last=Collins|work=[[The Vancouver Sun]]|date=July 22, 2010|accessdate=July 22, 2010}}</ref> is set to be released in on October 25, 2010.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://speaknow13.com/2010/new-cd-released-date-announced-oct-25th/ |title=NEW CD RELEASE DATE ANNOUNCED &#124; Countdown to Taylor Swift’s new single |publisher=Speaknow13.com |date= |accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> Swift has been working on the album for the past two years.<ref name="autogenerated1">{{cite news|last=John |first=Christopher |url=http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/07/21/taylor-swift-sets-release-date-for-new-album-speak-now/ |title=Taylor Swift Sets Release Date for New Album 'Speak Now' - Speakeasy - WSJ |publisher=Blogs.wsj.com |date= July 21, 2010|accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> An upcoming world tour was confirmed for the album.<ref name="RollingStone">{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/183729|title=Taylor Swift Announces Third Album, 'Speak Now'|work=[[Rolling Stone]]|first=Daniel|last=Kreps|date=July 21, 2010|accessdate=August 1, 2010}}</ref> The official cover was released on August 18, 2010.<ref>[http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/check-out-taylor-swifts-new-album-cover-2010188 Check Out Taylor Swift's New Album Cover] - ''[[Us Weekly]]'' Wednesday – August 18, 2010 – 2:28pm</ref><br />
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==Writing and development==<br />
Swift wrote all of the songs on the album without co-writers. Speaking on a live webcast on July 20, 2010, she said, "I actually wrote all the songs myself for this record. It didn't really happen on purpose, it just sort of happened. Like, I'd get my best ideas at 3:00 AM in Arkansas, and I didn't have a co-writer around and I would just finish it."<ref name="theboot1">{{cite web|author=Posted Jul 21st 2010 9:00AM by Nancy Dunham Comments [1] |url=http://www.theboot.com/2010/07/21/taylor-swift-online-fan-chat/ |title=Taylor Swift on New Album, New Home, Favorite Fan Moments |publisher=The Boot |date= |accessdate=2010-07-22}}</ref> 60% of the album was recorded in producer Nathan Chapman's basement. Some of the songs will feature a full [[orchestra]], including [[String section|strings]].<ref name="RollingStone" /><br />
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==Promotion==<br />
Swift performed the song "Innocent" at the [[2010 MTV Video Music Awards]] on September 12, 2010. The song is reportedly about rapper [[Kanye West]], who caused controversy at the award show the year prior.{{Citation needed|date=October 2010}} Some of the tracks were previewed in advance of the release date: "[[Speak Now (song)|Speak Now]]" on October 4, "Back to December" on October 11, and "Mean" on October 18, 2010. These three were subsequently released to the [[iTunes Store]] the following day, respectively.<ref name="Rolling">{{Cite news|url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1648777/20100927/swift__taylor.jhtml|title=Taylor Swift Rolling Out ''Speak Now'' Tracks Early|date=September 27, 2010|first=Jocelyn|last=Vena|publisher=[[MTV News]]|accessdate=September 27, 2010}}</ref> Additionally, "The Story of Us" will see its preview on October 22, 2010 through [[Comcast]] on-demand and XfinityTv.com.<ref name="Rolling" /> "Speak Now" debuted on the [[Billboard Hot 100|''Billboard'' Hot 100]] at number eight and on the ''[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]'' [[Hot Country Songs]] chart at number sixty the week of October 11, 2010, selling 217,000 digital downloads.<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3id48ea20039ae74bdfcc9ebf4439e73c1|title=Chart Moves: 'Glee,' Mavis Staples, Stephen Colbert, 'Social Network,' Pink |first=Keith|last=Caulfield|first2=Silvio|last2=Pietroluongo|date=October 14, 2010|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 14, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/chart-highlights-country-dance-club-play-1004120283.story|title=Chart Highlights: Country, Dance/Club Play Songs & More|date=October 11, 2010|work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 11, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.billboard.com/news/toby-keith-s-gun-fires-at-no-1-on-billboard-1004120559|title=Toby Keith's 'Gun' Fires at No. 1 on Billboard 200|date=October 13, 2010|first=Keith|last=Caulfield|work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 13, 2010}}</ref> "Back to December" debuted at number six on the Billboard Hot 100, with 242,000 digital downloads.<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/genre/e3i493aa786b5893edc9b7afa6eb4f225b5|title=Chart Moves: Lil Wayne, David Archuleta, Taylor Swift, Kanye West|date=October 21, 2010|first=Keith|last=Caulfield|first2=Silvio|last2=Pietroluongo|work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|publisher=Nielsen Business Media, Inc|accessdate=October 21, 2010}}</ref><br />
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===Singles===<br />
The first single, "[[Mine (song)|Mine]]", was released on August 4, 2010, instead of the planned August 16 release, after being [[Internet leak|leaked]].<ref name="leak" /> The music video shoot was in [[Kennebunkport, Maine]] in early July.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/183729|title=Taylor Swift Announces Third Album, 'Speak Now'|work=[[Rolling Stone]]|first=Daniel|last=Kreps|date=July 21, 2010|accessdate=August 26, 2010}}</ref> Swift said the single was about her tendency to "run from love".<ref name="autogenerated1"/> For the week of August 21, 2010, "Mine" debuted at #3 on the Hot 100 and #1 on digital songs due to 297,000 digital downloads. This was less than what was predicted but "Mine" was only out for about 4 days due to the rush release of the single. The song also debuted at #53 on Radio Songs due to 23.9 million listeners on all radio formats. About 60% of these impressions were on country radio, leading to "Mine"{{'s}} debut at #26 on the U.S. Billboard Hot Country Songs chart.{{Citation needed|date=October 2010}}<br />
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==Track listing==<br />
The album will have fourteen tracks, all of which were written solely by Swift.<ref name="theboot1"/><ref name="RollingStone" /> Speaking about the songs, Swift said, "Each song is a different confession to a person."<ref name="RollingStone" /> The official track list was revealed on Swift's official website on September 22, 2010.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.taylorswift.com/news#speak-now-tracklist|title=Speak Now Tracklist!|publisher=TaylorSwift.com|accessdate=September 22, 2010}}</ref><br />
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{{Track listing<br />
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| headline = <br />
| total_length = 67:15<br />
| all_writing = Taylor Swift<br />
| extra_column = Producer(s)<br />
| title1 = [[Mine (song)|Mine]]<br />
| length1 = 3:51<br />
| extra1 = Nathan Chapman, Taylor Swift<br />
| title2 = Sparks Fly<br />
| length2 = 4:22<br />
| title3 = Back to December<br />
| length3 = 4:54<br />
| title4 = [[Speak Now (song)|Speak Now]]<br />
| length4 = 4:02<br />
| extra4 = Nathan Chapman, Taylor Swift<br />
| title5 = Dear John<br />
| length5 = 6:45<br />
| title6 = Mean<br />
| length6 = 3:58<br />
| title7 = The Story of Us<br />
| length7 = 4:27<br />
| title8 = Never Grow Up<br />
| length8 = 4:53<br />
| title9 = Enchanted<br />
| length9 = 5:53<br />
| title10 = Better than Revenge<br />
| length10 = 3:39<br />
| title11 = Innocent<br />
| length11 = 5:02<br />
| title12 = Haunted<br />
| length12 = 4:04<br />
| title13 = Last Kiss<br />
| length13 = 6:08<br />
| title14 = Long Live<br />
| length14 = 5:17<br />
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===Deluxe edition===<br />
A deluxe edition solely for release by the [[Target Corporation]] was announced that will feature a slightly different cover, with Swift in a red dress. To be released on the same day as the standard edition, it will include three additional tracks, three [[Acoustic music|acoustic versions]], and thirty minutes of video content: the [[music video]] for "Mine", as well as behind-the-scenes footage of its production.<ref name="Target">{{cite web|url=http://www.target.com/Speak-Now-Deluxe-CD-DVD/dp/B004008F58/|title=Speak Now (Deluxe Edition)(CD) - Only at Target|publisher=[[Target Corporation]]|accessdate=September 29, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1647945/20100915/swift__taylor.jhtml|title=Taylor Swift Announces Deluxe Version Of ''Speak Now''|date=September 15, 2010|first=Jocelyn|last=Vena|publisher=[[MTV News]]|accessdate=September 18, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PEOPLE_TAYLOR_SWIFT|title=Taylor Swift partners with retailer for new CD|date=September 15, 2010|publisher=[[Associated Press]]|accessdate=September 18, 2010}}</ref><br />
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A 2CD deluxe edition is also set for release for HMV Canada. The track list has yet to be announced.<ref>http://hmv.ca/Products/Detail/596937.aspx</ref><br />
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| title20 = Mine<br />
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