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== Infobox ==

The "Political party" line in his infobox under personal details should be moved to be under his parlamentary posstion. [[User:Felixsj|Felixsj]] ([[User talk:Felixsj|talk]]) 19:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
:The info box considers political party personal data, so it moves it to the bottom. I got it in by just using direct markup rather then template fields. [[User:Richard-of-Earth|Richard-of-Earth]] ([[User talk:Richard-of-Earth|talk]]) 20:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC).

== Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2024 ==

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In the second paragraph of "Personality" section, where "woemen & by other means" is written, there is a spelling mistake for the word "woman". It is written "woeman" and must be changed into "woman" or maybe"women". [[User:Zahra Galeshi|Zahra Galeshi]] ([[User talk:Zahra Galeshi|talk]]) 15:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

:Not done. This is a direct quotation from a note written by Newton, and uses his original (archaic) spelling. See [[MOS:PMC]] for the policy: "In direct quotations, retain dialectal and archaic spellings". [[User:GrindtXX|GrindtXX]] ([[User talk:GrindtXX|talk]]) 15:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

== Newton deduced rather than "defined" his Universal Law of Gravitation ==

In the subsection `'''Gravity'''<nowiki/>' it is reported that  Newton "(..) ''defined'' the law of [[Newton's law of universal gravitation|universal gravitation]]." (my italics). 

Likewise, in the opening section it is reported that "In the ''Principia'', Newton ''formulated'' the [[Newton's laws of motion|law (..)]]  [[Newton's law of universal gravitation|universal gravitation]]." (again my italics).

The present text continues:  "He used his mathematical description of [[gravity]] to derive [[Kepler's laws of planetary motion]] (..)".

However, a recent [https://www.cambridgescholars.com/product/978-1-0364-1148-0 study] of the ''Principia'' -- which includes a detailed reconstruction of Newton's reasoning as developed and documented in the ''Principia'' -- demonstrated that Newton actually ''deduced'' his Universal Law of Gravitation, in all detail, from, among other ingredients, Kepler's laws. In this sense Newton lived up to his credo "hypotheses non fingo".

So it was the other way around, compared to what is stated in the present form of the article.

As is explained in detail in the above mentioned [https://www.cambridgescholars.com/product/978-1-0364-1148-0 study], Newton's deduction of his Universal Law of Gravitation has far reaching consequences for the concept of mass.

I kindly propose to edit the article, so as to update it according to these new insights. [[User:Reef Lodgeknew|Reef Lodgeknew]] ([[User talk:Reef Lodgeknew|talk]]) 21:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

: That might need [[wp:secondary sources]] to demonstrate [[wp:notability]]. And regarding "''Release Date: 18th September 2024''", see [[wp:recentism]]. - [[User:DVdm|DVdm]] ([[User talk:DVdm|talk]]) 08:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
:Additionally, [[Cambridge Scholars Publishing]] is often considered a [[predatory publisher]], and when it's not it's still known to lend little editorial oversight pre-publish and attract little academic interest post-publish for its authors. I wouldn't consider most of its publications to be [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] for verifying claims with, unfortunately. Thus, this would need some additi.
:Moreover, while it's interesting to engage with, I suppose I don't quite see the profound conceptual difference the OP does here—does anyone really believe what amounts to the whole essence of the "apple eureka" anecdote, that Newton jotted this part of the ''Principia'' down with inspiration ''ex nihilo''? Whether one strictly deduces or  defines on paper, there's surely a bit of both in most peoples' internal processes, no? <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">[[User:Remsense|<span style="color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>[[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="color:#fff">'''论'''</span>]]</span> 09:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
::I believe a scientific text should be judged by its ''content'', and by nothing else. I believe that applies both to the text on Wikipedia pages and to the source that I cited in support of my proposal for an edit of the text of a Wikipedia page, in this particular case.  [[User:Reef Lodgeknew|Reef Lodgeknew]] ([[User talk:Reef Lodgeknew|talk]]) 13:44, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
::: {{rto| Reef Lodgeknew}} Yes, you can believe that, but to be taken on board in an ''encylopedia such as Wikipedia'', the ''usage and mentioning of'' a scientific text is judged not by its content, but by its coverage in the literature. That is [[wp:pillars|by design]]. See [[wp:primary sources]] and [[wp:secondary sources]]. - [[User:DVdm|DVdm]] ([[User talk:DVdm|talk]]) 16:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
::::Well said here. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">[[User:Remsense|<span style="color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>[[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="color:#fff">'''论'''</span>]]</span> 00:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

== Newton and the Scientific Revolution ==

Re [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isaac_Newton&oldid=1257495735 this edit]: not trying to take away from Newton's accomplishments but using the phrase "the single most important figure in the Scientific Revolution" seems too close to the textbook Dylan example in [[MOS:PUFFERY]]. The last sentence in the paragraph already makes the case for Newton's importance and makes the former phrase somewhat unnecessary. -- [[User:Guillermind81|Guillermind81]] ([[User talk:Guillermind81|talk]]) 06:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Guillermind81|Guillermind81]] I understand the caution, and you consider the language to be loaded because it seems to fall under "[[MOS:PUFFERY]]", but, the section notes the importance of attribution, which has been demonstrated through the use of two sources listed, such as by [[Michael R. Matthews]], who states that Newton "was the towering figure of the scientific revolution. In a period rich with outstanding thinkers, Newton was simply the most outstanding."<ref>{{Citation |last=Matthews |first=Michael R. |title=The Pendulum in Newton’s Physics |date=2000 |work=Time for Science Education |volume=8 |pages=181–213 |url=http://link.springer.com/10.1007/978-94-011-3994-6_8 |access-date=2024-11-14 |place=Dordrecht |publisher=Springer Netherlands |doi=10.1007/978-94-011-3994-6_8 |isbn=978-0-306-45880-4 |author-link=Michael R. Matthews}}</ref> On the other hand, Mark Cartwright of [[World History Encyclopedia]] states that Newton is "widely regarded as the single most important figure in the Scientific Revolution".<ref>{{Cite web |last=Cartwright |first=Mark |date=2023-09-19 |title=Isaac Newton |url=https://www.worldhistory.org/Isaac_Newton/ |access-date=2024-11-14 |website=[[World History Encyclopedia]] |language=en}}</ref> Also, the textbook titled "Western Civilization: A Concise History" by Christopher Brooks states that "Perhaps the single most important figure of the Scientific Revolution was Sir Isaac Newton, an English mathematician (1642 – 1727)."<ref>{{Cite web |last=Brooks |first=Christopher |title=Chapter 10: The Scientific Revolution |url=https://pressbooks.nscc.ca/worldhistory/chapter/chapter-10-the-scientific-revolution/ |access-date=2024-11-15 |website=[[Pressbooks]]}}</ref> On top of that, while yes, the last sentence of the paragraph acknowledges the absolute fundamental importance of Newton to the creation of modern science, it does not necessarily imply his "supreme", so to say, status or importance in the Scientific Revolution itself. I don't think it's a radically different sentence that differs from the general consensus. [[User:Reaper1945|Reaper1945]] ([[User talk:Reaper1945|talk]]) 06:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
:For what it's worth, I agree that "the single most important figure in the Scientific Revolution" is puffery. [[User:Gacggt|Gacggt]] ([[User talk:Gacggt|talk]]) 14:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
::Is a description such as "the culminating figure of the Scientific Revolution of the 17th century" by ''[[Encyclopædia Britannica]]'' puffery as well?  [[User:Reaper1945|Reaper1945]] ([[User talk:Reaper1945|talk]]) 14:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Reaper1945|Reaper1945]] It's not a matter of citing sources but of tone. Although more obscure, I can cite sources that don't paint Newton's accomplishments in such a positive light:
:Sepper (2003, p. 103), citing Goethe, says "Newton's theory poses an extraordinary complex of scientific and historical problems, because it fails to account for all the relevant phenomena and to discriminate properly between what is interpreted and the interpretation. Its astonishing historical success was more due to the negligence of those who followed Newton than to the intrinsic merits of the theory."
:Truesdell, as quoted in Budenz (2016, p. 162), states that little of Newton's work on resistance of motion and fluid mechanics from the ''Principia'' "has found its way into either texts or histories" as much of it "is false" which is why "historians and philosophers, apparently, tear out [this part] from their personal copies."
:Ohanian (2009, pp. 71-72), similarly states that "A careful examination of Newton's writings revealed that some of the errors [found in them] were deliberate and dishonest attempts to mislead [...] Newton faked some theoretical calculations and he engaged in flagrant cherry-picking of observational data [...] Newton's fraud did not receive wide attention because the ''Principia'' was much admired but little read, and its influence on the development of physics was indirect."
:However, I'm not trying to pit sources against sources or enter into the pissing contest that often accompanies the Scientific Revolution. My understanding is that the intro should provide a brief overview of what the rest of the Wikipedia entry is about, in as plain language as possible, which is why it's preferable to avoid loaded language. There's plenty of praise, much deservedly so, of Newton in the Legacy section. Perhaps the sources you cited can be better quoted there. I just don't think that wording belongs to the intro but I'm open to what others have to say.
:'''References'''
:Budenz, J. (2016). ''The Principia: The Authoritative Translation and Guide.'' University of California Press.[https://books.google.com/books?id=HN4kDQAAQBAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gbs_navlinks_s]
:Ohanian, H. C. (2009). ''Einstein's Mistakes: The Human Failings of Genius.'' W.W. Norton & Company.[https://books.google.com/books?id=_TfuRpVLMdcC&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=Principia+Newton+little+read&source=gbs_navlinks_s]
:Sepper, D. L. (2003). ''Goethe Contra Newton: Polemics and the Project for a New Science of Color.'' Cambridge University Press.[https://books.google.com/books?id=LuIy4Qe7cY8C&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=Newton+overrated&source=gbs_navlinks_s]
:-- [[User:Guillermind81|Guillermind81]] ([[User talk:Guillermind81|talk]]) 05:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
::Considering his influence, which usually  is considered that Goethe's theory to be more incorrect than Newton's, which is fine, the sourcing and the information of text is fine. [[User:Reaper1945|Reaper1945]] ([[User talk:Reaper1945|talk]]) 05:30, 16 November 2024 (UTC)