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==New Feb 2015 release==

Is this story relevant enough to add a new section to the article? (Report: http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/02/12/nuc%20report.pdf) ( Article: http://rt.com/usa/232203-us-israel-nuclear-weapon/)
Released by the US government Defense Department as the result of a federal lawsuit. The lawsuit began as a FOI request three years ago by Grant Smith of Washing think-tank "Research: Middle Eastern Policy". "the US government agreed to release a 1987 Defense Department report detailing US assistance to Israel in its development of a hydrogen bomb, which skirted international standards... Israelis are "developing the kind of codes which will enable them to make hydrogen bombs. That is, codes which detail fission and fusion processes on a microscopic and macroscopic level,” said the report,  "It's our basic position that in 1987 the Department of Defense discovered that Israel had a nuclear weapons program, detailed it and then has covered it up for 25 years in violation of the Symington and Glenn amendments"".  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.103.17.108|81.103.17.108]] ([[User talk:81.103.17.108|talk]]) 20:21, 17 February 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::to the wikipedia zionists, nothing will ever be relevant enough to prove the obvious. In some tiny speck on the map some people have a problem with reality. --[[Special:Contributions/91.60.149.65|91.60.149.65]] ([[User talk:91.60.149.65|talk]]) 16:35, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program [http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193175] [[User:Ward Arminius|Ward Arminius]] ([[User talk:Ward Arminius|talk]]) 18:18, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::::: File of 1987: "Critical Technological Assessment in Israel and NATO Nations" [http://irmep.org/cfp/dod/071987_ctaiiann.pdf]  [[Special:Contributions/109.202.107.15|109.202.107.15]] ([[User talk:109.202.107.15|talk]]) 11:28, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::This is very relevant in that it does away with all this pathetic ambiguous phrasing. Isr. works on boosted nukes period. No room left for the possibility that Isr. does not possess nukes. None at all. [[Special:Contributions/213.136.77.237|213.136.77.237]] ([[User talk:213.136.77.237|talk]]) 11:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

== Arab League position ==

I propose to add a section on the Arab League position on Israel's nuclear program.  It would take a little research, but would include the Middle East decision at the 1995 NPT Review and Extension Conference, proposals for a Middle East Nuclear Weapons Free Zone or a Middle East Zone Free of WMD, and the latest announcement that Arab states would withdraw from the NPT if Israel acknowledged having nuclear weapons [http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/961275.html Arab League vows to drop out of NPT if Israel admits it has nuclear weapons].

This could go under policy but probably deserves its own section.  What do others think? [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 03:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

:I put in some such info under "Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and United Nations’ Resolutions" last year.  Maybe you should just beef it up?  New section might get more opposition than its worth unless Arabs started taking notable action, like cutting off the oil. Carol Moore 04:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]] [[User talk:Carolmooredc|{talk}]]

== Vandalism ==

"hi" is written at the start of the article, but I can't find it in the source text.

[[User:Lapsed Pacifist|Lapsed Pacifist]] ([[User talk:Lapsed Pacifist|talk]]) 19:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks, I've fixed it - someone vandalised [[:Template:Nuclear weapons]], which is used at the start of the article. ''[[User:Hut 8.5|<b style="color:#FF0000;">Hut 8.5</b>]]'' 19:17, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

==Edit warring==
As a reminder, as soon as there is a disagreement about statements to put in the article, please bring things up at talk, don't just battle it out in edit summaries.  Thanks, [[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 14:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
::::this whole article is just another zionist scam, as we all know. --[[Special:Contributions/91.60.149.65|91.60.149.65]] ([[User talk:91.60.149.65|talk]]) 16:37, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::How about the obvious LACK of statements? [[User:Vladimir 2017|Vladimir 2017]] ([[User talk:Vladimir 2017|talk]]) 03:14, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::::: Why don't the admins bring up their reverts around here FIRST ? [[Special:Contributions/95.173.39.109|95.173.39.109]] ([[User talk:95.173.39.109|talk]]) 10:51, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

== Collaboration ==

Wikipedia requires that unless some information is '''so''' [[WP:CK|common]] and well known (e.g. the sky is blue by day) it needs to be sourced, otherwise it is a violation of [[WP:OR|original research]] or [[WP:SYNTH|synthesis]]. The statement about Israel and South Africa collaborating on nuclear research because both found it difficult to elicit help from other nuclear capable countries is something that either needs a [[WP:V|verifiable]] and [[WP:RS|reliable]] source or it cannot remain in the article. Thanks. -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 11:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


Not that they found help for nuclear research difficult to elicit, but help for nuclear '''weapons''' research.

[[User:Lapsed Pacifist|Lapsed Pacifist]] ([[User talk:Lapsed Pacifist|talk]]) 18:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Arab League threat to withdraw from NPT (?) ==

The article contains the statement that "According to a statement by the Arab League, Arab states will withdraw from the NPT if Israel acknowledges having nuclear weapons and then does not open its facilities to international inspection and destroy its arsenal."  There are several references to this statement in news reports on line.  However, I think the statement was issued in error, without approval from Arab League states.  Unfortunately, I have not been able to find citations for this.  Given the circumstances, it might be politically difficult for the Arab League to disavow this statement publicly, even it it had been made in error.

What is the best way to note in the article itself these doubts about the cited reference? [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 02:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

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== Moved text from [[Israel and weapons of mass destruction]] ==

As I saw no reason to have two articles with substantially the same text, I moved unique nuclear-related content from [[Israel and weapons of mass destruction]] to here and deleted the rest there. Please keep future nuclear-related edits here, not there. [[User:Ylee|YLee]] ([[User talk:Ylee|talk]]) 03:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. I've made a request move at [[Israel and weapons of mass destruction]] talk, which also contains a rationale and short examples of POV concerns. [[User:Wikifan12345|Wikifan12345]] ([[User talk:Wikifan12345|talk]]) 09:55, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Israel and NPT ==

I was tempted to revert the addition of the Washington Times article on the U.S. statement at an NPT meeting this week.  There was a bit of a public flap, but the Washington Times presented one of the less reliable accounts.  The U.S. statement was a restatement of the longstanding U.S. position that all countries should adhere to the NPT.  It was not new or shocking.  What was somewhat interesting was that the United States named Israel among the four countries that are not NPT Parties.  Some in Israel seemed to take offense; others seemed to take it in stride.  Perhaps the most interesting commentary was one by Avner Cohen (author of ''Israel and the Bomb'', saying Israel should drop its nuclear opacity in favor of a transparent approach that would allow it to contribute constructively to international and regional efforts to control nuclear weapons.

I'd like to edit to use more reliable accounts, the Cohen commentary, and make clear this is not really new. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 22:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

:Please add alternate accounts or opinions on the issue by all means.  That will help provide a fuller picture of what's going on. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 00:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Please do, it will save me the trouble. :-) [[User:Carolmooredc|CarolMooreDC]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|talk]]) 01:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Delivery systems==
===subs===
Please notice the last editions I made:

It was written that the nuclear traid of Israel is restricted and that it's mainly short to medium ranged. However, according to an official report to the U.S congress (which is cited now in the missile delivery entry) and according to other sources (which are easy to find and probably some of are already cited in this article)the short range delivery systems are out of service. The Jericho I (500 km range) is out of service and Israel is now belived to have Jericho II (1500 km range (medium), Israel arsenal includes about 100 such missiles) and Jericho III (widely referred by  authoritative and professional sources as having range of no less than 6500 km and no longer than 11, 500 km with a payload of 1000kg, i.e., definitely considered as long range missile) in operational service. Israel diesel submarines fleet has a range of ~9000 km (or actually 4500 km back and forth, however increasing this range by naval refueling is possible) and they are widely belived to carry Israeli popeye turbo cruise missles with a medium range of 1500-2400 km, again-medium range delivery systems. The Israeli F-16 and F-15 have an operational range of ~4500 km ( ~2200 km back and forth ) without refueling, and much larger with (Israeli already proved that it can extended this range [http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3592128])-again, at least medium range ability. The shory range abilities are reserved as in all other nuclear countries to the use in tactical weapons where according to "Samson option" Israel can use short range specieal designed artillery and probably short range missiles and it can't be considered part of its nuclear traid which refer to stratgic abilities only. However, as Israel is small and hence cant disperse  nuclear and airbases all over -it's appearently more vulnerable. More, diesel submarines can't stay underwater during all of their entire mission and hence the Israeli nuclear traid is more vulnerable than those of countries with nuclear submaines.--[[User:Gilisa|Gilisa]] ([[User talk:Gilisa|talk]]) 16:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Wording by Source:

"Israeli Nuclear Dolphin-class submarine"

That implies/means that the Dolphin has a nuclear Drive which is untrue. I would remove the word Nuclear or change it to "presumedly
nuclear armed"

===Bombers===
Currently aircraft section is about 60% how Israel lacks the 1960s style USAF Chrome Dome arctic long duration patrol bombers like the B-52 or the pre ICBM/SLBM era heavy bombers built and retired by the UK, France, and mostly by the USSR and China who now use them as cruise missile carriers.  The case of the B-52 and to a far lesser extent Soviet Bear bomber is one for for attacking a superpower enemy in a massive landmass on an opposing hemisphere after safely in a holding area waiting for attack orders.  How does this have relevance to the modern Israeli nuclear deterrent or this article?  
I feel that summarizing cited sources for aircraft and doctrine believed to represent the Israeli aircraft based force is sufficient and airborne patrol intercontinental bombers previously used by the US and to a far lesser extent the USSR in that role need not be mentioned in counterpoint as even those aircraft are no longer used in this way by any nuclear power at this point in history.  Unless there is a reasoned and cited reason for inclusion I propose removing the cold war comparison from this section as currently I think we may have a problem with OR.  Solomon(for now)[[Special:Contributions/79.181.2.242|79.181.2.242]] ([[User talk:79.181.2.242|talk]]) 11:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

== Other - including EMP ==

The section now labeled "Other" contains a number of relatively speculative claims about Israeli nuclear weapons capabilities.  Most problematic to me are those regarding the EMP effect.  Two specific claims do not appear to be supported by the references cited.  First, there is the claim about the importance of the high (1 megaton) yield which do not appear to be supported by the source (a U.S. Congressional hearing).  In fact, the source says the EMP effect is only loosely correlated to yield.  Second, there are specific claims about the relationship between the altitude of the explosion and its range that appear to be reasonable but do not appear to be supported by the references.  My suggestion is to delete the bullet on EMP, since it is a generic nuclear weapons capability not linked to any specific claims about Israel. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gilisa responded to my change with the following on my discussion page:

:Hi, I just saw your last edit on the article whose title is mentioned above. You have deleted a source I provide about that a 1 megaton warhead could easily destory any unprotected electric device in a radius that can cover entire Iran. The source I gave is an obselte one however its estimations regarding the EMP effect of this warhead are still absolutly valid. It seems like you didn't look carefully in it because it contain a figure (in page 30 [http://www.csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/071119_iran.is&nuclearwar.pdf])that show the circle of EMP caused by a 1 MT WH over Iran itself. So, I didn't revert your editing still, but I ask you to come over it again-if it's not too hard for you, as soon as possible, and to return this source.

:Best--[[User:Gilisa|Gilisa]] ([[User talk:Gilisa|talk]]) 15:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

::Ok, I have replaced one of the sources which was, my mistake, unreliable, with a reliable one. As for CSIS source, it's an academic source. Of course, you can't attribute 100% credibility for anything is written there as they consider their knowledge to be only partial themselvs. However, when it comes to phsycial estimations of EMP effect size they are basing their estimations on computer simulations and exact science tools. There is no reason why to omit this source. However, if you still disagree with me-please tell me.--[[User:Gilisa|Gilisa]] ([[User talk:Gilisa|talk]]) 15:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

:::I am still concerned that the text is misleading and unnecessary.  First of all, EMP is a generic effect of nuclear weapons, not an "other" additional capability specifically attributed to Israel.   The description of the potential effect on the United States seems irrelevant to this article.  Second, the Congressional hearing says that the detonation need not be in the megaton range to achieve this effect.  Therefore, the claim that a megaton-range detonation is necessary is specifically contradicted by one of the sources.  A reference to EMP might make sense somewhere in this article, but I don't think it belongs under "other." [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 01:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

::::We can move it to some other section.However, you are right that this is not a different genere of weapon but only different use for the same one. Indeed, the same effect, or closer, could be achieved with smaller warheads-however the source referring a "megaton scale" weapon. Again, may be palcing it under "other" is incorrect but today many defense ministries around the world are espcially interested with EMP abilities (which could be achived to smaller extent  without nuclear weapons as well and infact USA, Israel and some other countries probably have this non nuclear capability)and many armed forces around the world are being equiped with electronic equipment that could stand an EMP attack. So citing this ability in an article about nuclear weapons seems invited.If you still insist upon  this-we can delete it entirely from the article as indeed it's not a separate nuclear ability even to me it seems that it can make the article more interesting--[[User:Gilisa|Gilisa]] ([[User talk:Gilisa|talk]]) 06:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:::::Perhaps it could go under "doctrine" or "use," if you can find a citation suggesting that EMP is part of Israel's nuclear planning. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 03:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

::::::I'll look for this kind of citation in the next few days. Thanks--[[User:Gilisa|Gilisa]] ([[User talk:Gilisa|talk]]) 04:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Ok, please take a look and tell me whether it[http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/army/mipb/1997-1/merkle.htm] do the work.--[[User:Gilisa|Gilisa]] ([[User talk:Gilisa|talk]]) 13:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::This seems even less relevant because it's about non-nuclear EMP and it's not about Israel, which is mentioned only once in passing. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 03:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

==Nuclear superiority==
As this section mentions Iraq and Iran, shouldn't there be a brief bit about Israel's recent bombing of Syria's nuclear research facility?  [[User:Fuzbaby|Fuzbaby]] ([[User talk:Fuzbaby|talk]]) 04:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== error ==

"Although Israel first built a nuclear weapon in 1967-68"? and yet, it said in the begging that isreal is "widly belived to be 6h nation" with nuclear capabilitys, or somthing like tht. thats some what self contradictory,  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.115.204.217|69.115.204.217]] ([[User talk:69.115.204.217|talk]]) 20:03, 6 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Before '67-68 the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China had developed nuclear weapons.  That would make Israel #6. India developed them soon afterward and tested in '74. [[User:Joshdboz|Joshdboz]] ([[User talk:Joshdboz|talk]]) 21:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Verfication asked for an Hebrew source ==

I added new paragraph to the article's 1967-present section:

''In a 2010 interview Uzi Eilam, former head of the Israeli Atomic Energy Commission, told to the Israeli daily Maariv that the nuclear reactor in Dimona had been through extensive improvements and renovations and is now functioning as new, with no safety problems or hazard to the surrounding environment or the region.''

Thia paragraph is based on this  [http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/109/204.html] daily newspaper article as a source. The source was asked for verfication by NPguy. The relevant paragraphes in the source are: 


בלי להיכנס לתחום הביטחוני, כור עלול לגרום לבעיות סביבתיות קשות. 
"הכור בצ'רנוביל נבנה לפי קריטריונים רוסיים שלא היו בטיחותיים מספיק. הכור בדימונה אמנם ישן, אבל מי שטוען שכור כזה מסוכן בטיחותית לא יודע מה עשו לכור מבחינת תחזוקה. עשו בו שיפורים כאלה שהיום הוא כמו כור חדש". 

It is a question by the journalist, answered then by Uzi Eilam. It's under the section:

לא כל דבר צריך להיות נחלת כל הציבור


at the bottom of the article. If anyother Hebrew speaker can approve that the source say whay I argue it say, it would be
helpful.--[[User:Gilisa|Gilisa]] ([[User talk:Gilisa|talk]]) 09:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks for the quick reply.  My concern was that in copy-editing the English summary I might not have rendered the original faithfully.  Plus I wanted to understand the context. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 22:12, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

::For nothing, the context is the above attached source which is a newpaper article questioning the nuclear ambiguity policy of Israel. Several past key people in the Israeli nuclear project had been interviwed there. Some support lifting of the nuclear ambiguity and some say that keeping it as it's is the best option for Israel and the entire region. The source also suggest that as tritium decay rate is about 5% annualy, Israel have no other choice but to keep the reactor operating to have its nuclear arsenal capable. In the relevant paragraph the journalist made an argue to Uzi Eilam (after previous interviewed professor of chimestry (who is not involved in the Israeli nuclear project since the early 70's, after it was reveald he's gay) argued that the reactor should be shut down because of its age):

בלי להיכנס לתחום הביטחוני, כור עלול לגרום לבעיות סביבתיות קשות. 

Which is easily translated to: Without getting into specifics, nuclear reactor may cause severe enviromental problems.

Uzi Eilam then reply with this:

הכור בצ'רנוביל נבנה לפי קריטריונים רוסיים שלא היו בטיחותיים מספיק. הכור בדימונה אמנם ישן, אבל מי שטוען שכור כזה מסוכן בטיחותית לא יודע מה עשו לכור מבחינת תחזוקה. עשו בו שיפורים כאלה שהיום הוא כמו כור חדש". 

Which is again easily translated to: 

"The reactor in Chernobil was built according to Russian standards which were not safe enough. The reactor in Dimona is truely old, but anyone who argue that such reactor is an hazard don't know what was done with it in terms of maintaince, it had been through such an improvments that today it's like new one" 

--[[User:Gilisa|Gilisa]] ([[User talk:Gilisa|talk]]) 07:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

==Sharing==
Yesterday I added a new sub-section under the "Policy" section entitled "Sharing" with the following text:
The government of Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to the South African government, according to an analysis of documents of the apartheid government. Top secret minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that then Israeli Defense Minister Shimon Peres offered to sell the warheads to South Africa's then defence minister, P.W. Botha. The documents appear to undermine Israel's attempts to suggest that even if the Israeli government has nuclear weapons it is a "responsible" power that would not misuse them, since the Israeli government was willing to share nuclear warheads with the rogue apartheid regime. The Guardian, 24 May 2010, "Revealed: How Israel Offered to Sell South Africa Nuclear Weapons Exclusive: Secret Apartheid-Era Papers Give First Official Evidence of Israeli Nuclear Weapons," http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons. The office of President of the State of Israel Shimon Peres denied that there was "an exchange of nuclear weapons" between the governments of Israel and South Africa. Haaretz, 25 May 2010, http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-denies-offering-nuclear-weapons-to-apartheid-south-africa-1.291800 

This section was removed with the note "undue weight" because this story is already covered elsewhere in the article. While the SA documents are elsewhere mentioned in the context of documentary evidence for the existence of IL nukes, the alleged offer to "share" should be mentioned as part of IL nuke policy. Further, the Guardian article explains that this sharing aspect is relevant to IL claims with respect to non-proliferation and safety, which are also important in the sharing context.--[[User:NYCJosh|NYCJosh]] ([[User talk:NYCJosh|talk]]) 21:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not only is it undue weight, but basically all your text is unacceptable. I'm not trying to be rude, but you just can't present things like that in the encyclopedia's voice. The Guardian reported on this story and came to these conclusions. They have been categorically denied by Israeli officials, South African officials, and other academics and media outlets (including even the Israel-bashing BBC). Any mention of the story must a) like you said, be reasonable in length per undue weight and b) make it very clear that these are allegations made by The Guardian and c) mention the other side per NPOV, ie: that it has been categorically denied from various sources. [[User:Breein1007|Breein1007]] ([[User talk:Breein1007|talk]]) 21:06, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

::Breein100, your view that all of the text is unacceptable is noted. Can we agree that the sharing aspect is important as part of the policy section, with some of your caveats (reasonable in length, etc.) in mind? Then we can discuss specific objections to wording.--[[User:NYCJosh|NYCJosh]] ([[User talk:NYCJosh|talk]]) 22:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Given the official denials and the analysis by Avner Cohen (arms control wonk) that the conclusions of the Guardian report are probably mistaken, I'm not sure this issue deserves added credence. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 01:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

::::NPguy, I would understand your suggestion to include Avner Cohen's analysis. But the Guardian is RS and we as editors are not in a position to decide how much credence to give its report. Our task is to present sources and let the readers decide.--[[User:NYCJosh|NYCJosh]] ([[User talk:NYCJosh|talk]]) 02:52, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

::::::NPGuy, you failed to respond to my response to your objection for three weeks. Then I added back a version of my contribution with changes to reflect suggestions of others. But you summarily removed my contribution still without responding to my response. That, I consider a stealthy move, not one to advance discussion. All objections should be aired here in a timely manner. --[[User:NYCJosh|NYCJosh]] ([[User talk:NYCJosh|talk]]) 13:52, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

NYCJosh, I deleted your new section because it duplicated an existing section.  We don't need two sections on the same topic.  On the substance, I've had difficulty assessing the Guardian sources because of problems connecting to the Guardian's web site.  Regardless, the Guardian conclusions are based on speculation about the meaning of seeming "code" words in the newly released memos.  Whether one believes those conclusions, I think this article should reflect the fact that the Guardian is making a leap of logic, and that others dispute the logic. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 19:46, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

:NPGuy, I had no problem looking at the Guardian link again today: 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons   You raise two points: (1) Duplication. This issue, Israel's alleged offer to sell, is relevant to two different portions of the article. So, a brief couple of sentences is important for both, inlcuding the article's section on policy. Further, the section I contributed ADDS info and is not duplicative: it adds info relevant to the implications of the alleged sharing. (2)Speculation/analysis. The Guardian is a major newspaper and its analysis of the SA govt documents is noteable under WP rules and important for our article. If you wish to add some notable source refuting that analysis, feel free to propose it. I have no problem in principle with our article providing more than one interpretation of the SA docs. But such a second interpretation does not at all remove the notability for WP purposes of the Guardian analysis or its importance.--[[User:NYCJosh|NYCJosh]] ([[User talk:NYCJosh|talk]]) 22:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

::I see the text you added as entirely duplicative of what is already there and does not merit repeating merely to emphasize a different angle.  If you think there is something slightly different, edit the existing text, but don't duplicate it.  That's my view.  I'd be curious what other editors think. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 02:50, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Just saw some activity and thought I'd add my 2 cents.  I think the mention of SA cooperation is certainly relevant; we already mention the possible Vela incident-connection.  That said, it would be undue to give these "revelations" any more than a few sentences, ideally the source would be the book itself, and I don't think this should necessarily be treated in the revelations section, but perhaps integrated into the policy or history sections.  I'll try to give this another look soon. [[User:Joshdboz|Joshdboz]] ([[User talk:Joshdboz|talk]]) 11:18, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

==US committment to defeat resolutions==
This week I added this:
:The chief Middle East policy expert of the U.S. [[National Security Council]] told a group of American Jewish leaders in November 2010 that the U.S. government was committed to defeating international resolutions designed to expose Israel's nuclear program at the International Atomic Energy Agency, while increasing pressure on Iran regarding their alleged nuclear proliferation activities.<ref>Haaretz, 2010 Nov 14, "U.S. Offers Israel Warplanes in Return for New Settlement Freeze," http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-offers-israel-warplanes-in-return-for-new-settlement-freeze-1.324496</ref> 

This was removed with the comment this is "ephemeral news" and will be forgotten tomorrow. I think it's notable because it shows the position the US has taken and intends to take in the future regarding blocking IAEA resolutions on Israel's nukes. It comes from a senior US NSC official on Middle East issues.--[[User:NYCJosh|NYCJosh]] ([[User talk:NYCJosh|talk]]) 19:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

:I think there are better sources for the fact that the United States and others successfully opposed the IAEA General Conference resolution on Israel Nuclear Capabilities.  But more important is the underlying reason - to avoid actions that would compromise the prospects for the 2012 conference on a WMD-free zone in the Middle East.  Israel said it would only attend the conference if it was not just another exercise in Israel-bashing, and the failure of an Israel-bashing resolution at the IAEA is therefore a positive sign on prospects for the Conference. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 04:59, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

::There is no reason for removing this source. If you have a better one then replace it. Otherwise, leave the less notable source alone since it is still superior to nothing. Reliably sourced content in general should not be removed from Wikipedia. —[[User:K. the Surveyor|K. the Surveyor]] [[User_talk:K. the Surveyor|(talk)]] 09:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with K. As I said, unlike the existing article text, this contribution refers not just to what happened at the past conference but to the current US approach and to what the US intends to do in the future.--[[User:NYCJosh|NYCJosh]] ([[User talk:NYCJosh|talk]]) 19:59, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
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:::My argument is about notability.  I don't think it is particularly notable that an NSC official told AIPAC that the United States would seek to defeat anti-Israel resolutions at the IAEA.  It is notable that the United States actually succeeded, and did so by arguing that the resolution would undermine the results of the NPT Review Conference.  At least that's my view as a subject matter expert on nuclear nonproliferation. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 23:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Why not notable? It's not "AIPAC" btw but a group of American Jewish leaders, according to the article quoted. Also, it wasn't a general "America will defeat 'anti-Israel resolutions' at the IAEA" statement but more specific than that--read the text proposed.--[[User:NYCJosh|NYCJosh]] ([[User talk:NYCJosh|talk]]) 05:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::This seems to be derived from a single phrase "defeating resolutions aimed to expose Israel's nuclear program at the IAEA" in this [http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/11/12/inside_the_seven_hour_clinton_netanyahu_marathon_meeting Cable post].  It looks like it was misinterpreted as a forward-looking promise rather than a description of a single event in the recent past, namely the defeat of the Israel Nuclear Capabilities resolution at the September 2010 IAEA General conference. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 11:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Norways involvement ==
I'd just like to point out that Norway did more then just sell heavy water...<br>
Declassified information have confirmed that...<br>
[http://www.nrk.no/programmer/tv/brennpunkt/609438.html This] article in norwegian is about what aid the norwegian government offered and to some degree gave them...<br>
And [http://www.nrk.no/programmer/tv/brennpunkt/5290888.html here] is some info proving that the norwegian government was aware of the Israeli wish to make nuclear weapons before the signing of the deals in question.<br>
Just though I should inform you all.<br>
Ps. All this info is in norwegian but it's possible to run them through various translators online like the google translator and get an ok understanding of the info.<br>
[[User:Luredreier|Luredreier]] ([[User talk:Luredreier|talk]]) 14:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
:A little bit of this info is mentioned in the article by the way in the "British aid" section but there is some more info on Brennpunkts page including sharing of information and required equipment. [[User:Luredreier|Luredreier]] ([[User talk:Luredreier|talk]]) 15:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

== Half of the sources do not work  ==

Such as
Hersh
What the hell is this  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.69.128.211|87.69.128.211]] ([[User talk:87.69.128.211|talk]]) 19:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hersh is a reference to a book, The Samson Option, by Seymour Hersh (New York: Random House), 1991.  See footnote 12.  It's not online, which makes it harder to verify. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 03:35, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Confirmation for Dir az-Zor target being of a nuclear nature ==

There were reports recently about confirmation for nuclear status of Dair az-Zor 2007 attack target, possibly from IAEA, IIRC. If someone has specifics and sources, I think it should be added to the article. [[User:WillNess|WillNess]] ([[User talk:WillNess|talk]]) 09:00, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

:Done. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 00:07, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

== Sources of uranium ==

Where do Israel get it's uranium these day's ?

PS read this article it maybe interesting it's about a nuclear accident in the US in the 1960's that is related to Israel.

http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2011/10/19/americans-pay-dearly-to-maintain-israels-nuclear-secrets/  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.118.173.93|213.118.173.93]] ([[User talk:213.118.173.93|talk]]) 19:24, 20 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Great read! Smith also documented the theft of uranium perpetrated by Isr. [[User:Vladimir 2017|Vladimir 2017]] ([[User talk:Vladimir 2017|talk]]) 03:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

== Rationale for secrecy ==

Israel is a rare (only?) case of a country possessing functional nuclear weapons but not openly announcing them. Most nuclear states want everyone to know as soon as the weapon works, because it is meant to be a deterrent. So why is Israel different?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.112.76.119|88.112.76.119]] ([[User talk:88.112.76.119|talk]]) 05:44, 22 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Because that was the deal struck with the Americans at the time. Many in Washington did not want Isr. to have nukes ever, which is why the uranium was stolen and not purchased. [[Special:Contributions/109.202.107.15|109.202.107.15]] ([[User talk:109.202.107.15|talk]]) 11:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

== Clear statement that Israel possesses nuclear weapons==
(For full disclosure I have no political views on Israeli issues at all and have no history of editing Israel-orientated articles)

I recently edited the first line to say, "Israel possesses nuclear weapons, and is widely believed to have been the sixth state to do so". This was reverted on the grounds that Israel has not confirmed the fact. I must admit to being rather baffled by this. The public position of the government of the state of Israel is not the only source. On Wikipedia, we normally make a positive statement about something if there are sufficient authoritative sources to suggest that the statement is true. We do not say "X is widely believed", we simply say "X" and cite sources. 

In this case, there are plenty of such authoritative sources cited throughout the body of the article. If there is controversy (ie other authoritative sources disagree) about the truth of statement "x" then such controversy can be described. Here there is no controversy. The sources say that Israel has nuclear weapons. The government of the state of Israel does not deny (or confirm) this. In fact no authoritative sources at all deny the fact. Whether or not Israel has an official policy of strategic ambiguity should be of no relevance to Wikipedia's collective encylopedic judgement. Does anybody have any real reason to doubt the statement, "Israel posses nuclear weapons"? [[User:Thom2002|Thom2002]] ([[User talk:Thom2002|talk]]) 07:45, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

:I still object to the phrase 'widely believed' to possess in the leader; this has been proved beyond all shadow of any encylopedic doubt whatsoever. How about, "Israel possesses nuclear weapons but has never affirmed their existence, and is widely believed to have been the sixth country to develop them" [[User:Thom2002|Thom2002]] ([[User talk:Thom2002|talk]]) 23:45, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

::How about "Israel does not acknowledge that it possesses nuclear weapons, but is widely believed to have been the sixth country to develop them."? [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 02:31, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

::: Well, that could be read as meaning that they developed the weapons but no longer possess them (like South Africa).  We can't say for certain *when* Israel developed them, but we can say beyond all reasonable doubt that they do possess such weapons now, which is a suitable statement to start the article. Acknowledgement or otherwise is a slightly separate issue from actual possession. (although acknowledgement is also very important and belongs right at the start as well) [[User:Thom2002|Thom2002]] ([[User talk:Thom2002|talk]]) 10:42, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
:::: "Israel does not acknowledge that it possesses nuclear weapons," is an important point, so what about "Israel does not acknowledge that it possesses nuclear weapons, but is both widely believed to have them and to being the sixth country to develop them."? [[User:IPWAI|IPWAI]] ([[User talk:IPWAI|talk]]) 04:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::I agree that the non-acknowledgement is important, but its the "widely believed" bit I am objecting to as an unneccessary qualification for possession. So I would suggest, "Israel possesses nuclear weapons but does not acknowledge this possession. It is widely believed to have been the sixth country to develop them" [[User:Thom2002|Thom2002]] ([[User talk:Thom2002|talk]]) 07:08, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::Please people will object unless there is absolute proof, by doing this it will create unnecessary controversy. Technically Israel is now considered a nuclear threshold state so what about this

"Israel is considered a nuclear threshold state. It is widely believed to have been the sixth country to develop nuclear weapons. This has never been openly confirmed or denied however, due to Israel's [[policy of deliberate ambiguity]].<ref>http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/090316_israelistrikeiran.pdf</ref>"
[[User:IPWAI|IPWAI]] ([[User talk:IPWAI|talk]]) 05:08, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think this helps.  First, there's no definition of a "threshold state," and second, it will not satisfy those who want a clear statement that Israel has nuclear weapons.  In my view, it is better to say that Israel is "generally believed to possess" nuclear weapons but "does not acknowledge" having them than an unqualified claim that Israel "possesses" nuclear weapons. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 02:16, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
:: Now even the '''"non-denial"''' part is missing, at a time when the whole world - except wikipedia - knows that they have nukes in the hundreds. Even '''Colin Powell''' wrote that in a leaked e-mail, and he would be in a '''''position to know'''''. [[Special:Contributions/213.152.161.69|213.152.161.69]] ([[User talk:213.152.161.69|talk]]) 01:45, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
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=== RFC: Should the article's lead state that Israel possesses nuclear weapons? ===

Should this article's lead state clearly that Israel possesses nuclear weapons? 

At the moment this is stated more ambigously as, "Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons". The official policy of the state of Israel is to neither confirm or deny that the statement is true. However, it is perfectly clear from the cited sources that Isreal does in fact possess these weapons. There does not appear to be any credible sources which deny this statement. To retain the qualifier, "widely believed" appears to be giving undue weight to the official position of the state of Isreal, which is only one source. Furthermore, the state of Israel does not deny the fact, it simply does not confirm it. Many other reliable sources referenced in the article do confirm the statement positively. There is a vast array of evidence to back the statement up in its less ambiguous form. [[User:Thom2002|Thom2002]] ([[User talk:Thom2002|talk]]) 21:25, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

:How about "Israel is generally presumed to possess nuclear weapons, ..."? [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 01:54, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

:I believe we should limit ourselves to only stating what we know definitively. There is little doubt for most, including myself, that Israel has nuclear weapons, but there is no smoking gun clearly and unequivocally confirming it. Perhaps we could tweak the wording a bit to make it clearer the way NP suggests above.--[[User:The Devil's Advocate|<span style="color: #e00000;">'''The Devil's Advocate'''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:The Devil's Advocate|<span style="color: #b00000;">tlk.</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Devil's Advocate|<span style="color:red;">cntrb.</span>]]</sub> 00:59, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

:I think it's fine as worded.  Anyone reading the lead will get a good idea of how strong the belief is.  IIRC "widely believed" is how I usually see it worded in news sources.  To say that Israel definitely possesses nuclear weapons would require some reliable sources making that definitive claim.--[[User:Wikimedes|Wikimedes]] ([[User talk:Wikimedes|talk]]) 05:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

::I'd prefer to stick with the current "widely believed" wording. To me "generally presumed" sounds like more of an assumption, but with the large numbers of US/UK docs being declassified and Vanunu's photograph there is a very large document base to the belief. [[User:Rwendland|Rwendland]] ([[User talk:Rwendland|talk]]) 09:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - We really need to look at the sources here. Could the nom possibly see if he/she can present RSs that unambiguously state Israel possesses nuclear weapons? [[User:NickCT|NickCT]] ([[User talk:NickCT|talk]]) 17:53, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
::Certainly the US military are 100% convinced that Israel posseses nuclear weapons. See [http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm] [http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA518741]. Notably, former US President Jimmy Carter also said that Israel posseses nuclear weapons [http://mg.co.za/article/2008-05-27-carter-israel-has-at-least-150-atomic-weapons]. Other sources cited in the article at present include FAS [http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/]. I am not aware of any serious observer who has ever refuted these assertions in regard to the simple existence of the weapons. [[User:Thom2002|Thom2002]] ([[User talk:Thom2002|talk]]) 14:41, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Sure. I accept everything you've said there. But the thing is, when I look at the mainstream source (i.e. NYT, Reuters, etc etc) they always add somekind of qualifier (i.e. they always say something like "Israel, ''which is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons'', etc etc"). My sentiment would be that if most of the reliable sources treat it that way, we probably should too. [[User:NickCT|NickCT]] ([[User talk:NickCT|talk]]) 18:12, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
::::That appears to be the consensus. [[User:Thom2002|Thom2002]] ([[User talk:Thom2002|talk]]) 19:30, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::No, not at all. Western main stream media just carries no weight any longer. Most of the time they publish propaganda, lies or both. There is an endless list of postfactual MSM writing and the business on Israel nukes sure is part of that. The fact that Israel gov. is unwilling to speak the full truth does not mean that the rest of the world or wikipedia should go along with their propaganda line. '''They have nukes since 1966''' period [[Special:Contributions/213.152.161.69|213.152.161.69]] ([[User talk:213.152.161.69|talk]]) 01:50, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


=== Article Revision - Nuke possession or not? ===

It has been confirmed from multiple sources that Israel is in the possesion of nuclear weapons. Can we please edit certain parts of the article now and stop pretending Israel is only "Suspected' of being in possesion? I want the truth to be on Wikipedia, if people want to know if a certain country is in posession of certain weapons they should have the right to see facts and not some hush hush to protect the goverment from critic. 

(Sorry for my bad English.)  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.169.44.108|82.169.44.108]] ([[User talk:82.169.44.108|talk]]) 10:49, 15 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:This has been discussed repeatedly, and the consensus has been to treat Israel's possession of nuclear weapons as unconfirmed.  This is an accurate reflection of Israel's policy. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 18:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

::::NPguy, there never was such a consensus, you claim does exist. We should do the exact opposite of what partisan diplomats of Isr. and capitalist-controlled main stream media do: Report facts but not tow the line of a small country in Arabia. WP should be independent and report independently that Israel possesss nukes with 99.999% likelyhood. Try to imagine the opposite: Isr. has access to nuke test data from France but does not use it, Isr. has Dimona but only wants to produce electricity, de Gaulle kicks Isr. out, even though they just want nuclear power plants, Isr. guarantuess "no nuclear Jericho missiles before 1972" even though they have no nukes, etc., etc.  . None of that make any sense at all. We must get real! [[Special:Contributions/95.173.39.109|95.173.39.109]] ([[User talk:95.173.39.109|talk]]) 10:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

::No. NPguy never produces evidence to support his outlandish and made-up claims. It is impossible that a majority of wikipedians is so ignorant as to not clearly assess the situation here. Israel 100% positively has nukes since 1966, as all sources given are clearly proving. [[Special:Contributions/95.90.197.45|95.90.197.45]] ([[User talk:95.90.197.45|talk]]) 05:42, 11 January 2017 (UTC)



=== Opening statement: "having built its first nuclear weapon in December 1966." ===

While I saw several threads that reached a consensus with regards to the opening claim that Israel is "widely believed" to posses nuclear weapons as opposed to affirmatively making such a statement, the following clause affrimatively claims that it has built its first nuclear weapon in 1966.

To clarify, I believe that the wording of this dependent clause (first nuclear weapon) has been ambiguosly written outside of the scope of "widely believed."

Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons and to be the sixth country in the world to have developed them, having '''allegedly''' built its first nuclear weapon in December 1966.

Cheers,
eyal3400  

[[User:Eyal3400|~There were better times.]] ([[User talk:Eyal3400|talk]]) 19:05, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

:: Can't you see? This is a disinfo campaign on Isr. nukes. That was obvious to me from the getgo. BTW, I never saw such a nonsensical consensus which you refer to. [[User:Vladimir 2017|Vladimir 2017]] ([[User talk:Vladimir 2017|talk]]) 03:11, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


=== Who do they think they can fool? ===

I think it was Mearsheimer who said with respect to isr. nukes: "I mean, who do they think they can fool?" 
The cat is out of the bag for decades. Wikipedia is a very stupid wiki, not acknowledging reality. Kissinger 05:07, 21 December 2015 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zio jew|Zio jew]] ([[User talk:Zio jew|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zio jew|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:: Prof. Mearsheimer is far more informative than wikipedia on the matter. Wikipedia is disinfo. [[User:Vladimir 2017|Vladimir 2017]] ([[User talk:Vladimir 2017|talk]]) 02:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


=== Any real evidence? ===
Are there any real evidence that Israel has any nuclear weapons? As I see it, it is just rumours spread by israel themselfs to stear off an invasion from their neighbors without having to develope real nuclear weapons, that won't be used anyway.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.226.155.36|85.226.155.36]] ([[User talk:85.226.155.36|talk]]) 14:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Read the article.  Mordechai Vanunu provided a lot of information to the Times of London.  Follow the citations after his name in the article. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 02:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::I know of Mordechai Vanunu. That's why I asked for "real evidence" and not rumours spread by someone who just could been an israeli pawn.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.226.155.36|85.226.155.36]] ([[User talk:85.226.155.36|talk]]) 21:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::Even serious magazines at the time speculated that Vanunu might be fake / double-XX, but just look at the full picture by now: '''They do have nukes period''' [[Special:Contributions/109.202.107.15|109.202.107.15]] ([[User talk:109.202.107.15|talk]]) 11:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

====New evidence====
*{{cite web |url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons |title=Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons |author=Chris McGreal |date=23 May 2010 |work=[[guardian.co.uk]] |accessdate=23 May 2010}} — "Secret apartheid-era papers give first official evidence of Israeli nuclear weapons" -- [[Special:Contributions/87.79.174.241|87.79.174.241]] ([[User talk:87.79.174.241|talk]]) 21:16, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

*Hub link at guardian.co.uk for coverage of the subject: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-documents  -- [[Special:Contributions/87.79.174.241|87.79.174.241]] ([[User talk:87.79.174.241|talk]]) 21:22, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::there are plenty of books and [[Grant F. Smith|Grant F. Smith]]'s work. If that is not enough, this planet cannot help you to get any further. -- [[Special:Contributions/91.60.149.65|91.60.149.65]] ([[User talk:91.60.149.65|talk]]) 16:40, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

==== Confirmed nuclear capacity ====

A Spiegal article released today confirms that Israel has nuclear weapons:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/israel-deploys-nuclear-weapons-on-german-submarines-a-836671.html  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—  [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]]  added by [[Special:Contributions/188.222.10.100|188.222.10.100]] ([[User talk:188.222.10.100|talk]]) 13:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)</span>

What it states is "The German government has known about Israel's nuclear weapons program for decades, despite its official denials." In other words Israel still does NOT claim to have such weapons. [[User:IPWAI|IPWAI]] ([[User talk:IPWAI|talk]])  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] added 04:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)</span>
::Worth noting, that FAS (quoted 13+ times) just mentions the fact that Germany asked for assurances that the subs won't fire nuclear missiles - similar to those assurances Israel gave when getting U.S. weapons (F4 Phantom). The public was fooled again! --[[Special:Contributions/213.136.77.237|213.136.77.237]] ([[User talk:213.136.77.237|talk]]) 01:18, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

== Ambiguity in sources ==

The references are a bit difficult to follow. [[Seymour Hersh]] is quite a prolific author, so when a lot of references simply point to "Hersh, 19" or some other terse source, the question becomes "What is this referring to"? In the reference listing, there is a "Hersh, Seymour (February 11, 2008). "A Strike in the Dark". The New Yorker. Retrieved February 23, 2008." and that is all. But it is listed after most of the short references. Farther down, there is this:

Hersh, Seymour M. ''The Samson Option''. New York: Random House, 1991. {{ISBN|0-394-57006-5}}

Quite confusing. If all of the terse references refer to the book mentioned, it seems illogical to list it last without a preceding mention of it. And it is ambiguous to use the terse reference in light of the second source from the ''New Yorker'' article. [[User:Uruiamme|I like to saw logs!]] ([[User talk:Uruiamme|talk]]) 19:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

:I would assume that all the Hersh references are page numbers in "The Samson Option."  Similarly the Cohen references are all to Avner Cohen's "Israel and the Bomb."  The latter is a respected scholarly history (based on documents and in-depth interviews); the former more journalistic (based at least in part on anonymous sources) and less reliable. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 02:06, 6 October 2012 (UTC)



== Deterrent ??? ==

This seems a loaded, biased term. Some would describe the intent as "aggression". But, of course, the "narrative" of Wikipedia's "reliable sources" (USraeli corporate media) do not describe it like that.
[[User:Fourtildas|Fourtildas]] ([[User talk:Fourtildas|talk]]) 03:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Indeed. Israel acted aggressively many, many times (flotilla, Lebanon, ...). A professor is quoted suggesting Israel to use nukes preemptively, i.e. aggressively. --[[Special:Contributions/213.136.77.237|213.136.77.237]] ([[User talk:213.136.77.237|talk]]) 01:25, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
:Despite your paranoia, Israel is not an aggressive state. It defends itself, which is quite another matter. [[Special:Contributions/50.111.31.62|50.111.31.62]] ([[User talk:50.111.31.62|talk]]) 22:44, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

==[[Yom Kippur War]] & Dayan's reported nuclear statements ?==
That article states : "During the night of October 8–9, an alarmed Dayan told Meir that "this is the end of the third temple."[273] He was warning of Israel's impending total defeat, but "Temple" was also the code word for nuclear weapons.[274] Dayan again raised the nuclear topic in a cabinet meeting, warning that the country was approaching a point of "last resort".[276] That night Meir authorized the assembly of thirteen 20-kiloton-of-TNT (84 TJ) tactical atomic weapons for Jericho missiles at Sdot Micha Airbase, and F-4 aircraft at Tel Nof Airbase, for use against Syrian and Egyptian targets.". This article does not mention this incident, but should cover it, as it implies that Israel could have started a nuclear war. How reliable are the reports on this ? Speculation ? Sounds to me like a warning to the US that arms shipments should start immediately, as there is no way the US would have tolerated a nuclear war risk. [[User:Rcbutcher|Rcbutcher]] ([[User talk:Rcbutcher|talk]]) 07:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

== Zalman Mordecai Shapiro ==
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-explosive-story-of-how-israel-received-weapons-grade-nuclear-material-from-a-us-company-in-the-sixties-2012-8

Reliably sourced enough to mention here? [[User:Hcobb|Hcobb]] ([[User talk:Hcobb|talk]]) 14:33, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

:Reads like a conspiracy theory linked by speculation. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 04:16, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

::This is [[:The Apollo Affair]], which the article alredy links to.  The FBI and CIA investigated it - the plant lost enough HEU to make diversion plausible, but there appears to be no conclusion either way.  The NRC wrote about it "NRC found no documents that provided specific evidence that the diversion of nuclear materials occurred. However, consistent with previous Commission statements, NRC does not have information that would allow it to unequivocally conclude that nuclear material was not diverted from the site, nor that all previously unaccounted for material was accounted for during the decommissioning of the site."[http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML0927/ML092720878.pdf]  So not a simple conspiracy theory. [[User:Rwendland|Rwendland]] ([[User talk:Rwendland|talk]]) 08:12, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

== Overstated ==

:<small>Hans M. Kristensen and Robert S. Norris (2014). [http://bos.sagepub.com/content/70/6/97.full.pdf+html "Israeli nuclear weapons, 2014"]. ''Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists'' '''70''' (6): 97–115. DOI: 10.1177/0096340214555409</small>
--[[Special:Contributions/86.161.110.166|86.161.110.166]] ([[User talk:86.161.110.166|talk]]) 20:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Pardon? These two go out of their way to '''downplay''' Isr. nukes in any conceivable way. When at the end they speak of "doubts" they give no reasons at all that justify any doubts. So I have my doubts about this paper... [[Special:Contributions/95.173.39.109|95.173.39.109]] ([[User talk:95.173.39.109|talk]]) 10:46, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

== Why is there nothing about the Dolphin nuke submarines? ==

Everyone but wikipedia knows that they have nuclear submarines "Dolphin" as a free gift from Germany of all places. Kissinger 05:12, 21 December 2015 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp; by [[User:Zio jew|Zio jew]] ([[User talk:Zio jew|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zio jew|contribs]]) </span></small>

:Do you mean subs with nuclear weapons? Currently, the Israeli navy does not have nuclear-powered submarines.

:It was in there under "Marine" - have just changed to "Submarines". - [[User:Snori|Snori]] ([[User talk:Snori|talk]]) 01:59, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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== Spherical Inches ==
....I've just been reading this article, and have stumbled across the phrase "...desalinate a billion cubic gallons of seawater...". I hate to be too petty, but a "gallon" is a measure of volume anyway. A "cubic gallon" really doesn't make any sense...
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While you may hate your pettiness, i for one thoroughly enjoy it. [[User:Tacticomed|Tacticomed]] ([[User talk:Tacticomed|talk]]) 10:55, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

:Just put a gallon into a 15.585 cm cube.  But seriously, I fixed the nonsense. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 17:29, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

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== A puzzling claim ==

Article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel&oldid=770613216#Weapons_production_1966.E2.80.93present currently]   reads in part ''Uranium enrichment could also be used to re-enrich reprocessed uranium into reactor fuel to more efficiently use Israel's uranium supply.'' That's a peculiar speculation, and frankly the sort of thing one often reads in anti-nuclear material. It's a pretty good guess that such material is the original source of this ridiculous unsourced statement.

[[Uranium enrichment]] produces [[enriched uranium]] and [[depleted uranium]] (DU), that is, uranium enriched and depleted in the [[fissile]] [[U-235]]. Yes, enriched uranium '''could''' be blended into ''reprocessed uranium'', which is also deficient in U-235, in order to make it again usable as nuclear fuel. It's known as [[back-blending]]. 

'''But what's the point?''' That's essentially reversing the enrichment process! Why not instead blend it with the depleted uranium from the enrichment process, avoiding the need to use uranium from reprocessed fuel (a hazardous and expensive process owing to [[fission product]]s)? They're both depleted, and you have a surplus of them, so throw out the bad stuff (the spent fuel residue after perhaps removing the plutonium) and use the good stuff (the DU from the enrichment plant), surely? 

But that's a ridiculous idea too. So better still, why not just stop the enrichment process at a lower level of U-235, the level you want to end up with, and not need to back-blend at all? That's by far the cheapest option, makes far better use of enrichment capacity (probably the most critical resource), and achieves '''exactly the same end product'''. Operate high-level enrichment stages '''only''' when you want to end up with [[HEU]]. Tap off your [[LEU]] as LEU earlier in the process.

Which is what the rest of the world does. And I'm guessing so do the Israelis. I admit it's a guess, but it's a better guess than the one in the article, don't you think? And neither guess should be in the article.  

Back-blending has been done to use HEU from decommissioned warheads as reactor fuel. In that context it makes sense. But not in this one. Sorry. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 07:30, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
: I agree this is excessive detail for an encycopedia artice, and speculation as well - I'll get rid of it and add some cites. I'll also trim out some of the other unnecessary speculation/detail in para.  [[User:Rwendland|Rwendland]] ([[User talk:Rwendland|talk]]) 11:35, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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==Trim and tidy of the intro==
Not meaning to push any barrows here, just get it a bit more readable. - [[User:Snori|Snori]] ([[User talk:Snori|talk]]) 02:54, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

== Please discuss edits here ==

At a minimum, the range of stockpile estimates must be included.  It is not redundant. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 02:40, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

== Unexplained reverts ==

{{ping|NPguy}} {{ping|Wikaviani}} Please stop edit warring, and explain what ''exactly'' about [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel&diff=857563271 this edit] is "controversial"? [[User:Moponoly|Moponoly]] ([[User talk:Moponoly|talk]]) 14:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
: First of all, you have reveted 3 different users within 24 hours, this would be a good reason for you to get blocked, even if you did not break the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring#The_three-revert_rule 3RR] and you tell us to stop edit warring ??? Second, just a question among others, could you please tell me which one of your sources says that Israel has the third nuclear arsenal in the world ?<b><span style="color:orange">---Wikaviani </span></b><sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Wikaviani|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Wikaviani|<span style="color:purple">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 14:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
:: {{re|Wikaviani}} Many of the sources write "''up to'' 400", which easily makes it ''up to'' the third biggest arsenal. Not even France or China comes anywhere close. Now please explain why you reverted everything. [[User:Moponoly|Moponoly]] ([[User talk:Moponoly|talk]]) 09:16, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
::: {{Re|Moponoly}} Wrong, sources say that nobody know exactly how many nuclear warheads Israel has, their number is between 80 and 400. For your information, UK has some 250 nuclear warheads mounted on their Vanguard class submarines (Trident missiles), France has between 300 and 400 warheads, mounted on their submarines and Rafale fighters and China has at least 300 nuclear warheads. These countries have a nuclear striking force probably far superior to Israel.<b><span style="color:orange">---Wikaviani </span></b><sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Wikaviani|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Wikaviani|<span style="color:purple">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 12:00, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
:::: {{re|Wikaviani}} All those countries have ratified the NPT, and are thus obliged to disclose the details of their nuclear weapons. None of them have more than 300 warheads, unless they cheated, which is ''very'' unlikely. Regarding the striking force, China maybe, but France and the U.K.? I doubt it. Their ranges are inferior. Also, you ''still'' haven't explained why you reverted my '''whole edit'''. What's wrong with the picture change, mention of Samson Option, footnote, mention of hack against the Iranian reactors, etc.? [[User:Moponoly|Moponoly]] ([[User talk:Moponoly|talk]]) 12:08, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
::::: First of all, i was not the only one who reverted your "whole edit", two other editors reverted it as well and even before me. Second, all your above claims about the nuclear stockpiles are unsourced. Even if the UK has "only" 200 nuclear warheads, since the Israeli stockpile is not well known (i mean, maybe they have "only" 80 warheads...) any ranking like "they're on the third place" is under [[WP:OR]]. You need to provide a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] which explicitly states that Israel is on the third place of the list of countries with nuke heads. Btw, YES, the British or French nuclear striking forces are just far superior than that of Israel, since they probably have bigger stockpiles and more powerful warheads and, i presume you're kidding me when you say "their ranges are inferior" since France has M51 missiles with an operational range of 8000-10000 km (about 100 kilotons) and UK has the even more powerful Trident missiles with an operational range of more than 12000 km (about 500 kilotons).<b><span style="color:orange">---Wikaviani </span></b><sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Wikaviani|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Wikaviani|<span style="color:purple">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 18:16, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::: {{re|Wikaviani}} NPguy even wrote in his edit summary that some of the changes were good, but he was too lazy to sort them out. You should add all of my changes, except for the disputed ones were discussing now.
:::::: I know, that's why i used the phrase "'''up to''' the third biggest arsenal".
:::::: That's a bad presumption. Not according to [[List of ICBMs]].
The fact that a comment says not to change without citing a reliable source and that the edit deletes the existing reliable source is an indication of editing against prior consensus.  That is, the existing text is the result of settling past debates on the size of Israel's stockpile.  This article has been the subject of some controversy.  The high end estimate is something of an outlier and not a good basis for comparisons with other countries.
If you want to propose changes, best to discuss them one at a time rather than making extensive edits all at once. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 21:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

{{ping|Bsherr}} Thanks for your inclusion of the uncontroversial parts. Just a couple of details: you seem to have duplicated the text about development history in the lead, please remove the former one, and you also forgot to add the sources from the infobox to the stockpile estimation in the lead. [[User:Moponoly|Moponoly]] ([[User talk:Moponoly|talk]]) 12:58, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Monopoly}} I've fixed the redundancy in the lede. Concerning the citations, I think it's probably best if you go ahead and make the changes you think appropriate directly, so everyone can review them. Let's just continue to stay clear of the rankings issue unless there is consensus, as that seems to be the only part I've seen contested on this talk page. Thanks. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 21:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

== Article claims Stuxnet as wholly Israel. Stuxnet consensus states it was Co developed with US and Israel ==

Article states it was solo Israel, with no source.

Considering, then planning, an attack on a sovereign nation nuclear facilities, and executing it unilaterally does not make sense when one considers the blowback (of which there was almost none). 

Most learned sources cite US and Israel at the least, with some (lesser cited and less reliable) including all 5 eyes involved.

Could Israel have done it itself? Perhaps, but the blowback from it's allies would have been sever.

Can't fix it since it's locked [[User:Tacticomed|Tacticomed]] ([[User talk:Tacticomed|talk]]) 10:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

:Fixed the main Stuxnet reference, but saw no need to edit lede. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 17:22, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

== /*Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel#Iraq*/ UNSC [S/RES/487(1981)] ==

no mention of Security council resolution [S/RES/487(1981)] <ref>https://undocs.org/S/RES/487(1981)</ref><ref>{{cite news| URL= https://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/20/nyregion/news-summary-friday-june-20-1981.html| quote="A unanimous Security Council vote approved a resolution that "strongly condemned" Israel for its destruction of an Iraqi nuclear reactor and urged Israel to open its nuclear plants to international inspection."| publisher=The New York Times| title=News Summary; FRIDAY, JUNE 20, 1981| date=June 20, 1981}}</ref> The reactor had been in operation since 1967 and Iran was in full compliance with IAEA inspections. Mr. Sigvard Eklund, Director General of the International Atomic Energy  Agency (IAEA), presented his view of the events. Israel claimed the vault below the reactor was a secret plutonium factory which he countered by stating that the IAEA was fully aware of the vault and it housed the machinery that moves the control rods.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/NL8/100/34/pdf/NL810034.pdf?OpenElement| page=2| quote= "It has been stated by the Israelis that a laboratory located 40 meters below the reactor-the figure was later corrected to four meters which allegedly had not been discovered by IAEA inspectors had been destroyed. The existence of a vault under the reactor that has apparently been hit by the bombing is well known to the inspectors. That vault contains the control rod drives and has to be accessible to the staff for maintenance purposes. In order to protect the staff from radiation, the ceiling of the vault consists of a thick concrete slab which in turn is lined with a heavy steel plate and therefore, that space could not be used to produce plutonium."| title=UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL OFFICIAL RECORDS THIRTY-SIXTH YEAR 2288th MEETING: 19 JUNE 1981}}</ref>

This section is complete fabrication. UN documents, the IAEA and international community pointed out that Israel's version of events was not a reasonable account.
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== 1963 standoff between Israel and United States ==

An editor [[User:KasimMejia|KasimMejia]] has added a long and quite interesting section on this topic.  Two comments: First, it seems appropriate for its own article, but more detailed than appropriate for a section in this article.  Second, it relies heavily on a single article in Ha'aretz, but ignores the extensive scholarship on this topic by Avner Cohen, including two books (''Israel and the Bomb'' and ''The Worst-Kept Secret: Israel's Bargain with the Bomb''). [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 20:43, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks for the insight, I will write an article about it today. Was unsure about writing an article due to lack of sources but adding those two books should make it enough. I'll summarize the section once I'm done with article. Feel free to add up. [[User:KasimMejia|KasimMejia]] ([[User talk:KasimMejia|talk]]) 07:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
:Here it is, [[1963 Israel–United States standoff]]. [[User:KasimMejia|KasimMejia]] ([[User talk:KasimMejia|talk]]) 12:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

== Netanyahu comments ==

Netanyahu accidentally called Israel a "nuclear power" on 5 January 2020.<ref>{{cite news |title=Netanyahu, in apparent stumble, calls Israel 'nuclear power' |url=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-netanyahu-nuclear/netanyahu-in-apparent-stumble-calls-israel-nuclear-power-idUSKBN1Z40CS |work=Reuters |date=5 January 2020 |language=en}}</ref> Worth including? <span style="background:Black;padding:1px 5px">[[User:Buidhe|<b style="color: White">b</b>]][[User talk:Buidhe|<b style="color: White">uidh</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|<b style="color: White">e</b>]]</span> 12:54, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 March 2021 ==

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Need a source for this statement: "According to US journalist Seymour Hersh, everything was ready for production at this time save an official order to do so."

Also, the first reference is incomplete. [[Special:Contributions/96.236.195.47|96.236.195.47]] ([[User talk:96.236.195.47|talk]]) 18:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
:Added a citation needed template. As for the first reference being incomplete you'll need to elaborate on that. Thanks. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 12:27, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

== Who says? ==

Amid all the "it is widely believed that", should we state clearly who has significantly stated that Israel has nuclear weapons? viz people (such as [[Jimmy Carter]], [http://www.ipcs.org/comm_select.php?articleNo=2581 here], 2008; [[Jared Kushner]], [https://twitter.com/delk/status/1715905308328108542 here], 2023), governments, experts (Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists [https://thebulletin.org/premium/2022-01/nuclear-notebook-israeli-nuclear-weapons-2022/ Notebook]), Israeli officials, and international organisations. [[User:Onanoff|Onanoff]] ([[User talk:Onanoff|talk]]) 19:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 December 2023 ==

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the corect version of the said quote is as follows (and i hold a digitsl copy of the original document from March 10 1965, and i am historian, i know what am i talking about: "Israel will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapon into the Arab-Israel region". NOTE!!! NOT "Israel will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapon into the middle east", BUT "Israel will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapon into the Arab-Israel region". Why is it important? because in 1965 there were at least two countries that already introduced nuclear weapon into the middle east: USSR and USA (and most probably France and the UK), that had nuclear submarines running all over the middle east. Thanks. (And I could mail you the document titled "Memorandum of Understanding".) [[Special:Contributions/46.117.34.183|46.117.34.183]] ([[User talk:46.117.34.183|talk]]) 12:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 August 2024 ==

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Intro, second paragraph
'Heritage Minister Amihay Eliyahu publicly called for dropping a nuclear bomb over Gaza, which some took to be a tacit admission that Israel '''posses''' such a capability.'

Suggest change from 'posses' to 'possesses' (spelling). [[User:Cadmiz|'''Cadmiz''']] ([[User talk:Cadmiz|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Cadmiz|contribs]]) 09:48, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:Hyphenation Expert|Hyphenation Expert]] ([[User talk:Hyphenation Expert|talk]]) 10:21, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

== October US Govt Leaks ==

Hello @[[User:NPguy|NPguy]], why did you remove the information about the US Govt leaks for 'ephemera'? This was widely reported when it happened – by multiple news sources – many of whom referred to the comments about nuclear use. Can you provide more context about your edits? [[User:Smallangryplanet|Smallangryplanet]] ([[User talk:Smallangryplanet|talk]]) 13:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:The information was sure to be out of date within days, and in fact it is.  If you think there is an element of enduring interest, feel free to try again. [[User:NPguy|NPguy]] ([[User talk:NPguy|talk]]) 15:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)