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I don't know how else to message you, but in the wachowski sister's wiki they have been dead named. Could you remove that please? It's transphobic and just bad really. Thank you. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:2a02:c7f:a617:5200:5c80:2707:934f:b4c3|2a02:c7f:a617:5200:5c80:2707:934f:b4c3]] ([[User talk:2a02:c7f:a617:5200:5c80:2707:934f:b4c3#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/2a02:c7f:a617:5200:5c80:2707:934f:b4c3|contribs]]) </span>

{{replyto|2a02:c7f:a617:5200:5c80:2707:934f:b4c3}} Hi there! So, according to our policy at [[WP:DEADNAME]], we do include trans people's deadnames ''if they were notable under that name''. So as the Wachowskis were famous pre-transition its our policy to include their names. Conversely, we don't include the names of people like [[Paris Lees]] or [[Nyla Rose]], as they weren't notable under their previous names. I hope this clears things up for you. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 10:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

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== ''[[The Vaulted Shadows]]'' ==

First off, thank you very much for making the aforementioned article, as well as that of ''[[Macabre Cabaret]]''. It's always good when people manage and contribute to [[My Dying Bride]]-related pages. Your new articles have a good basis, are reasonably detailed, and certainly help the encyclopedia and its comprehensiveness.

One thing I want to bring up is that, when you created ''The Vaulted Shadows'' page, you categorized it in its infobox as an '''EP'''. I have trouble with this categorization, and I feel like it should instead be labelled as a '''compilation''' album. Here's my rationale:

# The album combines the tracks from two earlier EPs: ''[[The Barghest o' Whitby]]'' and ''[[The Manuscript (EP)|The Manuscript]]''.
## Therefore, all five of the songs on the album are from previous releases...
## ...and the album features no examples of new or previously unreleased material.
# Having no new or unreleased material, and/or being an archive of retrograde material previously published and released, is one of the classic premises of a compilation album.
# Referring to it as an EP fails to distinguish this release from other My Dying Bride EPs, which feature all or mostly original songs (or alternate versions of songs released otherwise).
# The combination of two past EPs makes it the length of two EPs. By calling this album an EP, this makes it suggest that ''one EP + one EP = one EP''. This is problematic to me from a basic arithmetic standpoint.
## Exception: If an album compiles two different past EPs (or demos) of, say, 10 and 14 minutes in length, totaling 24 minutes, it would still be EP length. This does not apply here however, because...
# Exceeding 54 minutes, the album is an unusually long length for traditional EP standards, and 54 minutes it often a reasonable, expected, and perhaps roughly average, length for a full-length album. (DISCLAIMER: I personally have released a 54+ minute EP, with full recognition of this being an nontraditional approach.)

Based on these tenets, it is my belief that referring to ''The Vaulted Shadows'' as an EP is too much of a stretch, and too misnomeric, to be an objectively sound categorization of the release. I wanted to change it to designate the album as a compilation, but before I would want to do so, you are welcome to respond to me your opinion on the matter, including if you have one or more compelling reasons to refer to ''The Vaulted Shadows'' as an EP.

Again, thanks for your contributions. [[User:Mungo Kitsch|Mungo Kitsch]] ([[User talk:Mungo Kitsch|talk]]) 06:31, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Mungo Kitsch}} Hi mate, that's actually a good point -- you're right, it should be labelled as a compilation. Go ahead and change it to compilation! I'll also change its designation on related pages like the discography page or bottom template later today. Thanks for raising this. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 08:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
:I've actually gone ahead and made the change myself; let me know if I've missed anything. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 08:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Czello}} Looks good to me; two thumbs up! Thanks for your work. [[User:Mungo Kitsch|Mungo Kitsch]] ([[User talk:Mungo Kitsch|talk]]) 03:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

== Altemeyer & Pettigrew ==

The point of the sentence to to convey the idea that they are not making a reductionist claim.   These guys use some opaque terminology, but the point is not humility, but their view that "polyvocal" descriptions are necessary to get at social psychological phenomena.  Do you think it would improve matters if I added a citation to altemeyer and other prominent theorists expressign the same sentiment?  It seems like a detail point to me, but I could put it in a note, not the body of the article if you think it would be helpful, along with a list of the particular other historical / political factors they think are in play.  But they are not experts on those fields, so I demured from doing that.  If you are uncomfortable with the current reading, feel free to change.  It is necessary that non reductionist sentiment is expressed.  They think it important to emphasize they are not making a reductionist claim.[[User:J JMesserly|J JMesserly]] ([[User talk:J JMesserly|talk]])

:{{replyto|J JMesserly}} Hi, my point was less about the claim itself and more that it looks like this is ''our'' opinion, rather than theirs. I think the word "obviously" was the real kicker for me, and didn't read as neutral. I'm fine with the sentence being in there, but I think we need to make it clearer that this is something that was said by them (and so backed up by a source). It might be easier if we just quote them directly. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 08:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
::The trouble is that many tend not to write in a compact form.  EG: One pettigrew passage expressing this sentiment is from the cited source:
 "Social scientists are keenly aware that the world is exceedingly complex, that virtually all social phenomena are multivariate. Understanding Trump’s supporters is no exception. We must consider an array of interrelated factors to account for this unprecedented election – demographic and individual factors that constituted the tinder for the explosion and the actual igniting factors that lit the fire. Research on the topic demonstrates that numerous theories and concepts of social psychology prove centrally important in helping to understand this unexpected event. But no claim is made that these social psychological factors provide in themselves a complete explanation. Obviously, key political variables are also involved (Norpoth, 2016), and these are intertwined with the social psychological variables to be evaluated in this paper."
::..So, given your preference, this quote could be substituted, "..no claim is made that these social psychological factors provide in themselves a complete explanation. Obviously, key political variables are also involved..." The weakness is that it does not mention the historical or demographic factors that Pettigrew talks about elsewhere, and other verbiage will have to be introduced to establish context for the quote.  A lot more words for less meaning, but if you prefer the quote that is fine with me.  [[User:J JMesserly|J JMesserly]] ([[User talk:J JMesserly|talk]]) 09:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Lessons from the past ==

I hope you learned your lesson from your previous deletion nomination: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Reality Era]] whu your deletion nomination for [[Wikipedia: Articles for deletion/The New Era (WWE)]] was not necessary. Just because you feel something is not notable, discounting countless coverage within major [[WP:RS]], doesn't make something not notable. Just pointing out, nothing more than this, you are a senior and highly experienced editor you can nominate whatever article you like being a senior editor but keep in mind discussions for similar articles so that we don't have to give time on the same thing again and again. Take care. [[User:Dilbaggg|Dilbaggg]] ([[User talk:Dilbaggg|talk]]) 09:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Dilbaggg}} I'm not entirely sure this message was necessary -- it feels rather like gloating. I nominated both articles for deletion as I genuinely don't feel either exists beyond [[WP:SYNTH]]. You'll note that for the Reality Era deletion, the article did get delete votes to begin with but it swayed towards keep as more sources were added -- I think that's very telling. In the end the result wasn't even a keep: it was no consensus, which demonstrates that the AfD was not unjustified: the same goes for the PG Era article. The New Era article to me is even more egregious: as I said, the phrase "New Era" is only mentioned in '''one''' single source. Absolute [[WP:SYNTH]] through-and-through; the {{tq|countless coverage within major [[WP:RS]]}} you mention doesn't exist in the article presently (unless any have been added since the AfD started). Perhaps it will be added in the future, which I'm on board with. I absolutely ''will'' nominate articles for deletion if I feel they don't pass our [[WP:GNG|notability guidelines]], though I will of course accept community consensus. We're all here to try to improve Wikipedia, though we of course have different methods about how to go about it: it just so happens that I try to hold articles to a high standard and insist that they have adequate sourcing in place. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 09:46, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
::Yes I accept your right to nominate any article for deletion, but the statement "only one [[WP:RS]] exists as you said above isn't true, there are MULTIPLE [[WP:RS]] mentioning the new era that begun in 2016, including WWE themselves {even if you discount that as primary there are plenty more}: [https://www.wwe.com/polls/what-is-your-favorite-wwe-era], [https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2637593-why-wwes-new-era-will-elevate-secondary-championship-belts], [https://www.pwtorch.com/site/2016/07/26/725-wwe-raw-tv-ratings-week-1-new-era-raw/], [https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-sports/wwe-smackdown-the-draft-ushers-in-a-new-era-120334/], [https://www.foxsports.com/stories/wwe/why-wwes-new-era-is-the-best-thing-in-sports-this-summer], [https://www.wrestleview.com/wwe-news/64716-wwe-reveals-new-official-logos-raw-smackdown-live-new-era-following-2016-wwe-draft/], [https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-wwe-battleground-a-new-era-begins-20160725-story.html], [https://www.cbssports.com/general/news/wwe-payback-2016-results-roman-reigns-retains-aj-styles-impresses/] and many other [[WP:PW/RS]] and other main stream [[WP:RS]], I could go on and on. Please don't accuse it of lacking ntability just based on personal views. Anyway you nominated for deletion which is your rights and you said you accept majority view which I agree, so lets wait and see. Cheers. [[User:Dilbaggg|Dilbaggg]] ([[User talk:Dilbaggg|talk]]) 10:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

:::{{replyto|Dilbaggg}} Were any of these sources a part of the article when I nominated it for AfD? I opened every one of the 20-something sources and ctrl+F'd "New Era" and didn't see it in any except the WWE source. This isn't based on my personal views at all: please remember to [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]]. The reason I nominated this for deletion is for exactly the reason I said in the AfD: because I consider it to be a product of [[WP:SYNTH]]. Honestly it feels like you're taking this a bit too personally given that you've contributed to the article. Please take my AfD reasonings at faith value: this isn't some personal agenda I have, I just don't think it meets [[WP:GNG]]. Again, the fact that the Reality Era article ended in no consensus shows that my reasoning is justified. Similarly, the PG Era was nominated by someone else: so I'm clearly not alone in being sceptical here. [[WP:AGF]], my friend. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 10:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::Oh sorry, my bad you meant "within the article", yes I just pointed out how this is similar to the Reality Era discussion, ofc I always [[WP:AGF]] with a senior editor like you, cheers. [[User:Dilbaggg|Dilbaggg]] ([[User talk:Dilbaggg|talk]]) 10:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

== A beer for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | No hard feelings, I hope. I looked briefly into the user before engaging, but you're clearly more familiar with the history of the page. Blanking the RfC looks fine to me. [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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:{{replyto|BDD}} Hi mate, no worries and thanks very much for understanding. Sadly this guy likes to jump between socks so I'm familiar with his modus operandi. I expect he'll probably make a return soon, too! Anyway thanks again my friend! — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 21:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

== Political party breakaway groups ==

Hello! There is some Political party breakaway groups in this English Wikipedia. Like Likud, Jobbik, UKIP, Democratic Party (USA), Labor Party (UK), Conservative Party (UK), National Rally (France), and the other Political Parties. So, the Patriot Party of the United States is splits from Republican Party (USA), which is created by Donald Trump, the former Republican Party politican, he was the Democratic Party politican. The Our Homeland Movement Party is created by the former Jobbik members, like László Toroczkai, Előd Novák, Dóra Dúró, István Apáti, Erik Fülöp, Zoltán Pakusza, and the other former Jobbik politicans. Thats the political schims! If you need something, that i can help, you can contact me anytime! Have nice day! --[[User:TomFZ67|TomFZ67]] ([[User talk:TomFZ67|talk]]) 11:35, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|TomFZ67}} Hi there, I don't disagree that it's a breakaway movement: I reverted your edit as the category you added doesn't exist yet. If you look at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patriot_Party_of_the_United_States&oldid=1002425128 your last edit] you'll see that the category link at the bottom is red, meaning it hasn't been created. If you want to create it a good place to start is here: [[Wikipedia:Categorization#Creating_category_pages]]. Happy editing! — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 11:37, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Czello}} Thanks! By the way, Happy New Year you too! --[[User:TomFZ67|TomFZ67]] ([[User talk:TomFZ67|talk]]) 12:13, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

== Thoughts on edit proposal? ==

You're pretty active in the [[Kellyanne Conway]] talk page, I just wanted to run my [[talk:Kellyanne_Conway#Proposed_Edit]] past you as there's not a lot of consensus. Could I trouble you for a position on that? [[User:Yallahalla|<span style="background:purple; color:yellow; padding:2px;">'''YallAHalla'''</span>]][[User talk:Yallahalla|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''talk'''</span>]] 08:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

{{replyto|Yallahalla}} Hi mate, yeah I saw your proposal -- I'm still mulling it over but will probably vote on it shortly. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 09:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Greetings, I've always promoted facts. What you are doing is promoting misinformation as Miss Universe being the most watch pageant with 500 million viewers. However, Miss World boasts of billions of viewers annually making it the most watch annual television program. For reference of this information, you can even check ABC news. Here is a link. I believe these edit are persons' closely associated with Miss Universe fandom. I have no issues with you. 

Here is the link from ABC. There are many other links online from verified news agencies 
abcnews.go.com/amp/International/BeautySecrets/story%3fid=3949323&page=1 [[User:IndianWarriorWikiedit|IndianWarriorWikiedit]] ([[User talk:IndianWarriorWikiedit|talk]]) 21:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|IndianWarriorWikiedit}} Firstly, that link doesn't work for me -- I'm getting a "page unavailable" result. More importantly, though, there's clearly a content dispute here which is why you need to discuss this on the talk page rather than edit warring. Please read [[WP:BRD]]: once you've been reverted we enter the discussion phase, which you are refusing to do. Also keep in mind the [[WP:3RR|three revert rule]]. You've reverted other editors over seven times now. Finally, you are not permitted to remove reports about yourself from [[WP:EWN]], and you've done this twice now. This is utterly unacceptable, and it's likely to land you with a block. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 21:28, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

There are many more links online. Here is another one www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1997-05-16-9705160099-story,amp.html [[User:IndianWarriorWikiedit|IndianWarriorWikiedit]] ([[User talk:IndianWarriorWikiedit|talk]]) 21:39, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

{{replyto|IndianWarriorWikiedit}} I'm sure, but that's not what I'm getting at. I actually don't have a stake in this article at all: my point is that you should be discussing this on the talk page of the article rather than reverting other editors. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 21:45, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

== A tale of two (?) editors ==

Do you see any connection between IndianDignity, whose about to come off their 31 hour block, and IndianWarriorWikiedit, who was just blocked? [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 00:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Beyond My Ken}} The thought did occur to me, but I actually think they're unrelated. IndianDignity created his account for the sole purpose of edit warring on [[toplessness]] because he objected to the implication that Asian women sometimes went topless. It was a sheer PoV thing. IndianWarriorWikiedit has had an account for much longer (since 2018) and seems to be a more genuine editor who just completely ignored [[WP:3RR]] and doesn't seem to care for the [[WP:BRD]] process. In short, I think it's a coincidence more than anything. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 08:15, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
::OK, thanks. Incidentally, I'm engaging with IndianDignity on [[TalK;Toplessness]], but I don't think I'm getting through to them. 08:28, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]])

== I won't chill until I get an apology ==

You better do something about {{u|HHH Pedrigree}}, I will not stand being insulted like that.

[[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 18:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Vjmlhds}} What do you want me to do? I'm not an admin. I think at this point it's best for all parties to just stop talking to each other and take a day or two to cool off. By the way, I'd advise against [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HHH_Pedrigree&diff=prev&oldid=1004848993 re-adding the warning] to his talk page: users aren't obligated to display warnings as per [[WP:BLANKING]]. Just a friendly suggestion! {{smilie}} — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 18:36, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

::So just let him call me names and belittle me with nothing done to him?  Instead of suggesting things to me, why don't you follow my suggestion and do something to him. [[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 18:42, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

:::You just gonna ignore me or what? [[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 18:55, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

::::{{replyto|Vjmlhds}} Lol dude relax, I was getting dinner. In answer to your Q: I asked ''everyone'' in that thread to chill. Mercifully, it looks like it's calmed down. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 18:57, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

== SPI tagging ==

Thanks for helping out with [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Politialguru]], but it's probably best to leave the tagging to the SPI team.  The tags are used to guide future investigations and tagging somebody as CU-confirmed when they're not may have unintended consequences.  No worries, though, we all learn as we go.  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 14:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|RoySmith}} Sure, no worries. Thanks for letting me know! — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 14:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

== Why ''am'' I here? ==

You asked an interesting question on oknazevad's talk page - Why am I here?

Why is anyone here?  To try to make this thing better.

But yet my methods are constantly coming under fire simply because I don't just mindlessly follow the WikiBorg and blindly follow the bureaucratic jibberish known as Wiki policy.

It's like a sin to have individual thought, and not just blindly go with the groupthink.

I ask you this in all sincerity and all honesty...why do '''you''' just blindly follow policy, and not simply do what you think is best?

At the end of the day, all policy is is just words...why is it so important to treat it like something sacred?

[[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 17:01, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

:No one's saying you can't have individual thought, but ignoring Wiki policy just because you don't like it isn't constructive. We have it for a reason. It's not so we can all be the borg, it's so that when there are disputes (like on the NXT title page) we can resolve them properly -- rather than one editor just shoehoring their own preferred edits into the article without consensus. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 17:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

::Don't get the wrong idea - I'm not for anarchy, but there is such a thing as being ''overregulated'' [[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 17:38, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

== Unblack metal ==

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:{{replyto|2601:c7:c201:c640:a4fe:75ee:f507:3c56}} I suppose it's because it's less a genre (as musically it sounds the same) and more of a philosophical direction within black metal. It's similar to why NSBM is listed there too. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 21:01, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

== WWE template colors ==

If you have a better color scheme, then I'd like to know. I'm seeing all the other wrestling templates use colors. [[User:Malcolm L. Mitchell|Malcolm L. Mitchell]] ([[User talk:Malcolm L. Mitchell|talk]]) 17:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

:Why brand them at all? The AEW one isn't too bad but I don't think the red and white WWE ones work at all. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 17:48, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

::There's nothing wrong with jazzing things up a little bit to break up the monotony.  Everything doesn't always have to be drab and boring.  I have no issues with the color scheme. [[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 19:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

:::{{replyto|Vjmlhds}} Do you honestly, truly, believe that new colour scheme is an improvement on the default? — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 20:07, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

::::It brightens it up a touch, so I really do think it ''is'' a bit better then the drab old default version.  Red, white, and black are WWE's colors, so I have no issues with using them in the template.  If you don't like it, that's fine, as this kind of stuff ''is'' subjective, but I see no problems with it. [[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 20:12, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

{{od}}
Started a discussion on this topic on the [[WP:PW|project page]], so let's take it over there and see what comes of it. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 20:36, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Vjmlhds}} The problem is that it's ''too'' bright. It's garish and has no definition. You [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WWE&curid=5592845&diff=1008928945&oldid=1008923261 see the original]? The colours compliment one another: different shades of blue layered on top of one another. It works. The other version is two colours: bright red and white. The harsh red borders around the edge of everything are a bit overwhelming. Plus, no effort has been made to change the blue-grey highlighting that alternates with each line, which conflicts with the red. It's like a Frankenstein's Monster of conflicting colours. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 20:38, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

:::If I could figure out how to get the colors to work , would you object, or is it default or nothing as far as you're concerned? [[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 20:42, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

::::{{replyto|Vjmlhds}} I'd very very much have to see what they look like first. I'm not opposed to changes ''in theory'' (I've given up on the AEW one because it's at least palatable). I'd recommend maybe building a few different versions in your sandbox and then posting them in your thread on the WikiProject (thanks for starting that, by the way) so we maybe have a bunch of ideas to pick from. The only thing I'll say is this: subtlety is key. My problem with the WWE one is because it's in no way subtle and is just garish, which is why I think it's weaker than the default. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 20:52, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
::::{{replyto|Vjmlhds}} By the way, I almost suggested [[User:Czello/Work in progress|this]] version, but decided not to because (while I think it's closer to WWE's ''actual'' branding) I still thought it suffered from the same problems as the other version. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 21:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
:::::I actually took that version and modified it, by making "softer" versions of the black backgrounds and white lettering, so they don't beat you over the head with a sledgehammer.  Somewhat blends in more I think. [[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 00:25, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

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== Could you elaborate on why you reverted my edits on the unusual time signatures page? ==

Hey, I noticed that five separate edits I made on [[List of musical works in unusual time signatures]] were rolled back, and was a bit confused as to what the reasoning was. In your edit summary, you only said "I can't see where the source verifies the time signature," but my edits were all on different parts of the page, so this summary confused me. One of my edits was just marking a reference to a band fan-wiki as unreliable, so I don't really get how your summary makes sense if it was referring to that. Regardless, I didn't really understand the rationale for rolling back all five edits. Could you elaborate on your decision? [[User:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith]] ([[User talk:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|talk]]) 22:21, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

{{replyto|HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith}} Hi, apologies -- that was a clumsy revert on my part. I only meant to revert the first edit ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_musical_works_in_unusual_time_signatures&diff=1009891163&oldid=1009586237 this one]) as I couldn't see the time signature in the source. However, I think I was looking at an older version of the page, so I inadvertently removed the other edits as well, which I hadn't noticed. I've reverted myself now and re-added you additions, but I've hidden the Tigran Hamasyan as I still couldn't see the time signature on the source. Apologies for the error! — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 22:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

{{replyto|User:Czello}} Oh, I see, that makes sense. With the Tigran song, the time signature was really far down on the source I linked. In the track-by-track for the album, he says "[the song] is actually in the unusual time signature of 42/16," but I see why it wouldn't be obvious. I wasn't sure how to specify where the source was on the page, which probably led to the confusion. Is there a way to put that info in the citation template? - [[User:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith]] ([[User talk:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|talk]]) 18:16, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith}} No worries, I see it now. I've just re-added it with the bit you mentioned quoted (you can do that by adding "quote=" to the citation template, like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_musical_works_in_unusual_time_signatures&type=revision&diff=1010082094&oldid=1009914118 this]). Thanks for pointing it out! {{smilie}}. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 18:21, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

== You're owed this one. ==

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You were here for that, thus you're owed this star.
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== Two "new" editors at Uyghur genocide ==

Staygyreo (134 edits), Dena.walemy (109 edits). Interesting timing, similarities, POV. Obviously not new accounts, but not enough evidence to prove socking. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b>&nbsp;//&nbsp;[[User:TimothyBlue|Timothy]]&nbsp;::&nbsp;[[User talk:TimothyBlue|talk]]&nbsp;</b></span> 11:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|TimothyBlue}} Hmm, I'm not sure I'm seeing it. Is Staygyreo's only edit go the Uyghur page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uyghur_genocide&diff=prev&oldid=1009421807 this renaming]? — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 12:27, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
:: I could be wrong, I know its not enough to bring up elsewhere. I hope its not PS or a twin. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b>&nbsp;//&nbsp;[[User:TimothyBlue|Timothy]]&nbsp;::&nbsp;[[User talk:TimothyBlue|talk]]&nbsp;</b></span> 12:42, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|TimothyBlue}} I'll keep an eye on both accounts and let you know if I spot anything suspicious. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 13:09, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Having posted below re an unrelated sock, I noticed this discussion and thought there would be no harm mentioning some other sock activity at [[Uyghur genocide]]. I've no reason to think they are connected to the editors above and I think it is their first sock to have visited this article but [[User:78.150.38.110]], on the talk page, is pretty clearly the latest sleeper in the sock farm of [[User:Cassandrathesceptic]], the overwhelming bulk of whose edits have been by IP sock. Handy to have others aware though. [[User:Mutt Lunker|Mutt Lunker]] ([[User talk:Mutt Lunker|talk]]) 21:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

== Politialguru socks ==

The [[User:Politialguru]] sock farm is active again and I've been reporting activity at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Politialguru]] for the last few days, though it hasn't been picked up as yet. As you've been involved in countering them in the past, I wondered if you mind helping to keep an eye on their activities until action is taken? All the best. [[User:Mutt Lunker|Mutt Lunker]] ([[User talk:Mutt Lunker|talk]]) 11:13, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Mutt Lunker}} Sure thing; I already have the SPI page on my watchlist. There's another very active account I also suspect of being a sock, but I have very little proof right now -- but will update that group if I say anything that passes the [[WP:QUACK]] test. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 13:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

::Ok, keep me posted. [[User:Mutt Lunker|Mutt Lunker]] ([[User talk:Mutt Lunker|talk]]) 13:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

:::[[User:Ouseburnwarrior|They're back]]. [[User:Mutt Lunker|Mutt Lunker]] ([[User talk:Mutt Lunker|talk]]) 15:22, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

::::{{re|Mutt Lunker}} Thanks, will keep an eye on him. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 16:38, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

== Happy St. Patrick's Day ==

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== "Ideologues" ==

I think [[WP:HOTHEADS]] may be worth a skim.  In a DS topic area, it's probably best to avoid terms like that (about the person), and focus on edits ("This statement seems based in ideology not reliable sourcing", etc.). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 07:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

:Fair enough, I've edited my comment. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 07:55, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

== Electoral College ==

I half forgot about the fact that national popular vote doesn't equal election win. Ill refrain from writing such edits -- I understand why it could sound biased. [[User:Bernspeed|Bernspeed]] ([[User talk:Bernspeed|talk]]) 17:27, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
:Came here after seeing this on the article hist — you generally shouldn't make a single edit to the lead of any high-profile article without discussing it thoroughly on the talk page. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold, Bahnschrift, Avenir, Segoe UI;">[[User:Thanoscar21|Thanoscar21]]<sub>[[User talk:Thanoscar21|talk]], [[Special:Contribs/Thanoscar21|contribs]]</sub></span> 23:46, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

== Enough, Czello ==

Stop reverting my ACCURATELY SOURCED edits and threatening to block me. [[Special:Contributions/74.221.72.198|74.221.72.198]] ([[User talk:74.221.72.198|talk]]) 14:57, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

:I've already replied on your talk page -- we can talk there. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 14:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

== Something very strange is going on ==
Those last edits to the [[Talk:Uyghur Genocide]] page were NOT done by me. I was responding to another user with a normal post and I have absolutely no idea what happened to change all of those words. I'm not sure if there was some sort of database error when I posted my edit or if someone has logged into my account. [[User:Deku link|Deku link]] ([[User talk:Deku link|talk]]) 18:04, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
:On discussion with some people on the discord, it appears to have been an issue with the mobile editor find and replacing. Apologies. [[User:Deku link|Deku link]] ([[User talk:Deku link|talk]]) 18:14, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Deku link}}No worries, I figured it wasn't deliberate. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 18:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

== Peacock Era ==

Regarding your concern for [[History of WWE]] that Peackok era isn;t a thing, there are numerous sources that "uyou rvemoved" whcih says it is: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VWJ9hQdcTw], [https://www.cnet.com/how-to/wrestlemania-on-peacock-what-to-know-about-switching-from-wwe-network], [https://fansided.com/2021/01/25/wwe-fastlane-will-be-first-pay-per-view-of-nbc-peacock-era], [https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/wwe-fastlane-set-march-will-be-first-ppv-peacock-era-331166], [https://www.cwnonline.ca/2021/01/25/wwe-fastlane-set-for-march-will-be-first-ppv-of-peacock-era/], we can't just only rely on primary sources, WWE never always officially announces eras, in 2008 after WWE's transition to tv=pg ratings (which wwe was before 1997), fans started dubbing it as the start of the pg era, and WWE would finally acknowledge it much later in 2010, same case numerous sources exist that this is the Peacock Era and WWE operates very differently than it did in 2016, so I suggest you add that back, but I ain't that concerned about it and respect your decision as you are a senior user. [[User:Dilbaggg|Dilbaggg]] ([[User talk:Dilbaggg|talk]]) 06:33, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

:Can you show me where I removed these sources? I can't recall doing so. That said, the reason I've changed it is because I feel it's [[WP:TOOSOON]] for this to be declared an "era"; I suspect these sources are using the term descriptively rather than seeing it as a full "era" in the way we categorise it in WWE. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' 06:49, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

::Ah Ok, I agree with you then. [[User:Dilbaggg|Dilbaggg]] ([[User talk:Dilbaggg|talk]]) 07:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)