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== Sample Classified List for Ornithology ==

I am looking into ways to condense the results from searches like '''{{search link|ornithology|ornithology}}'''.  I took the 3842 results from this search and manually classified the results into groups. I converted the classified list to wikipedia table format and put them at '''[[User:RC711/Tree/Ornithology]]'''

It took me about 8 hours of work to read each page title, and brief descriptive text from, from the search and decide what type of page it was.  As one might expect, there are many pages with Bird/Species name, then pages with a persons' name, then pages about geographic places, then Ornithology journals and books, then ornithology topics.  I am sure that this process could be done in seconds with a database list of bird names and species, a database list of pages about people, a database list of pages about geographic places, a database list of pages about organizations -- and an automated way to generate and display these lists.

Grouping things into types of pages helps a lot, since I usually know if I am looking for an organization, a person, a place, a topic, a print document or something else.  In terms of finding things, it really helps to have the search results in alphabetical order.

While it is a lot of work to do this manually, there might be instances where it is worthwhile, especially if there are many queries to a particular term.

What I am suggesting is that something like this might be useful when directing people to the right place on Wikipedia, if they only have a broad term to start with.  It gives an overview of the types of pages containing the search term.  This situation might occur in searches, but it also could affect dsb pages, since they often deal with general terms - and try to get the visitor to the right page(s).

Here is a summary of the results:
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
| Group || Total || Description
|-
|  Bird || 1216 || Individual birds or species
|-
|  Geographic || 258 || Specific Geographic locations mentioning ornithology
|-
|  Organization || 282 || Names of organizations
|-
|  Organizations || 7 || list of organizations
|-
|  Person || 959 || Names of persons
|-
|  Persons || 3 || lists of ornithologists
|-
| Bird checklist || 66 || Efforts to list birds
|-
| Bird checklist geographic || 68 || Efforts to list birds in a geographic area
|-
| Bird Topic || 156 || bird topics, ornithology topics
|-
| Birding awards || 27 || awards for birding
|-
| Birding site || 85 || Parks, Reserves, Preserved Areas, etc
|-
| Birding sites || 4 || lists of birding sites
|-
| Birding year || 88 || Years in birding and ornithology
|-
| Journal || 104 || Ornithology Journals, some books
|-
| Proper || 19 || Some proper terms, Ships, Books
|-
| ZZ Animals || 25 || Animal pages mentioning ornithology
|-
| ZZ disambiguation || 24 || disambiguation pages, or confusing pages
|-
| ZZ Media || 77 || Films, Songs, Books not related to Ornithology
|-
| ZZ Other || 75 || Pages mostly outside the scope of ornithology
|-
| ZZ Other year || 23 || year pages unrelated to ornithology
|-
| ZZ unclassified || 77 || Pages too tired to classify
|-
|}
[[User:RC711|RC711]] ([[User talk:RC711|talk]]) 21:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
:Have you seen [[Outline of birds]]? Doesn't that serve your purpose? [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 00:02, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for the comment.  I have seen that page.  The problem is how long it takes to read it and find what you are looking for.  I am looking for a standard way of navigating Wikipedia for any topic or search.  Something faster than the bulk results of a search, and easier to read than a rambling article.  For these broad topics, you would need an entire book to cover the topic.  I am trying to index all of Wikipedia for a given topic.  In all of English Wikipedia, there were only 3842 pages that had the term ornithology.  Rather than forcing the visitor to work their way through all that material to understand what Wikipedia knows about ornithology, I can group the pages, and people can quickly see that names of birds are important, then People in birding, then organizations, then journals.  There is a natural science of the activities of large groups working on any topic.  Did you see {{category tree all|Ornithology|mode=pages|hideroot=off|showcount=off|header=Click to see Category Tree for:}}?  It lists all the Category pages and articles for ornithology, but rather than browsing in a Category page, you can traverse the entire category tree with a few clicks.  Unfortunately, the Categories are assigned from the bottom up, and there is no overall organization.
::The current articles in Wikipedia are limited by the time and patience of human editors.  I am looking for automated ways to discover clusters of related articles, even when no one has manually classified them.  For instance, I came across [[nonlinear phenomena]] recently.  There are 85 {{search link|nonlinear phenomena|pages with the exact phrase "nonlinear phenomena"}}.  I know the subject well enough to write a Wikipedia article that many would find useful.  But the topic will grow steadily over time, so that eventually 200 or 500 or 1000 articles will contain this precise term.  My viewpoint is the new visitor who reads an article in Wikipedia and comes across a term like "nonlinear phenomena" for which there is no page. What do these people do?  I would like to at least help them with a list of pages, grouped by type of page.
::Imagine you are reading an article that mentions "Hybridization". If you search, you go to the dab page at [[Hybridisation]].  The dab page is very concise, but it seems lacking in some way.  
*** If you search for "hybrization", there are 3665 page, but only 13 intitle pages.  In the full search you will find the following contexts where hybridization is used:  [[accidental hybridization]], [[ancient wolf-dog hybridization]], [[anthropogenic hybridization]], [[array-based hybridization]], [[bond hybridization]], [[buddleja hybridization]], [[canna hybridization]], [[chromogenic in situ hybridization]], [[colony hybridization screening]], [[comparative genomic hybridization]], [[comparative hybridization]], [[complementary hybridization domain]], [[cross-hybridization]], [[deleterious hybridization]], [[degree of hybridization]], [[differential hybridization]], [[direct hybridization assays]], [[dna filter hybridization]], [[dna hybridization]], [[dna-dna hybridization]], [[dna-rrna hybridization analysis]], [[dynamic allele-specific hybridization]], [[extensive hybridization]], [[facilitating hybridization]], [[fluorescence in situ hybridization]], [[homoploid hybridization]], [[hybridisation in shorebirds]], [[hybridization of atomic orbitals]], [[hybridisation of cannas]], [[hybridization barriers]], [[hybridization buffer]], [[hybridization capacity]], [[hybridization complex]], [[hybridization crosses]], [[hybridization event]], [[hybridization experiments]], [[hybridization function]], [[hybridization potential]], [[hybridization probe]], [[hybridization probe]], [[hybridization probe|hybridization probes]], [[hybridization probing]], [[hybridization process]], [[hybridization properties]], [[hybridization rate]], [[hybridization studies]], [[hybridization washing]], [[hybridization-based methods]], [[in situ hybridization]], [[in situ hybridization images]], [[inter-familial hybridization]], [[inter-species hybridization]], [[interspecific hybridization]], [[intrageneric hybridization]], [[introgressive hybridization]], [[labeled hybridization probes]], [[methods for computing hybridization]], [[microarray hybridizations]], [[mixed hybridization]], [[modern hybridization]], [[molecular hybridization]], [[natural hybridization]], [[neanderthal hybridization]], [[neuro-fuzzy hybridization]], [[northern hybridization]], [[nucleic acid hybridization]], [[oligonucleotide-based array hybridization]], [[oligonucleotide hybridization probes]], [[oligonucleotide probe hybridization]], [[orbital hybridisation]], [[orbital hybridization]], [[pair hybridization event]], [[plant hybridization]], [[plasmon hybridization]], [[probe hybridization]], [[probe-target hybridization]], [[quantitative fluorescent in situ hybridization]], [[rescue fusion hybridization]], [[rough fuzzy hybridization]], [[sequencing by hybridization]], [[somatic cell hybridization]], [[somatic hybridization]], [[southern hybridization]], [[sp orbital hybridization]], [[spontaneous hybridization]], [[subtractive hybridization]], [[subtractive hybridization screening]], [[successful hybridization]], [[suppression subtractive hybridization]], [[time of hybridization]], [[tree hybridization]], [[uncontrolled hybridization]], [[variable hybridization]], [[]], [[hybridization of ideas]], [[hybridization between populations]], [[fps/rpg hybridization]], [[hybridization of cultures]], [[demonic hybridization]], [[morphological hybridization of the styles]]
::If you read any of the articles that contain these kinds of terms, they will probably need an explanation.  If you go to the relevant literature in chemistry, genetics, or mathematics, you will probably find these terms used freely.  But if someone is reading and wants to find any of these, they will be hard pressed to find a definition on Wikipedia.

== Should topics that do not have wikipedia pages be consider Primary Topics? ==

See the interesting discussion at [[Talk:Yesterday#Requested move 2]].  When one thinks "yesterday," one thinks of the day before today - but we don't have a page for that and it would basically be a dictionary entry (IMO).  If we omit that meaning, Mr. McCartney's songs appears to be a clear Primary Topic (again, IMO).  What should be done?  Probably better discussed at [[Wikipedia Talk:MOSDAB]]  --John ([[User:Jwy]]/[[User talk:Jwy|talk]]) 03:29, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
: I see that one of our editors has taken it upon himself to alleviate that lack by writing [[Yesterday (time)]]. I note that [[today]] and [[tomorrow]] are both disambiguation pages. I would propose that there should be a single article combining the temporal concepts of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, and that all three titles should redirect there as the clear primary topic of the terms (and the topics for which all others by those names are named). [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:51, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

== Leaflet For Wikiproject Disambiguation At Wikimania 2014 ==

Please note: This is an updated version of a post that I previously made. 
[[File:Project Leaflet WikiProject Medicine back and front v1.png|thumb|right|550px]]
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: 
<br>
''[http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_Leaflets Project leaflets]''
<br>
[[User:Adikhajuria|Adikhajuria]] ([[User talk:Adikhajuria|talk]]) 15:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

{{-}}

: I will be at Wikimania, and would be glad to paper London with flyers. How about:

<div class="center"><big>[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation]]<br>A quarter million disambiguation pages to run.<br>A quarter million incoming links to fix.</big>
</div>

Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

== Relevant RfC: ==

[[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#RFC:_Naming_of_one_and_two_digit_numbers_and_years]] [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 14:22, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

== No periods (full stops)  ==

Hello. I imagine the topic is well-worn, but a brief search didn't seem to yield something addressing the following – sorry if I missed it.

As they are "sentence fragments", the notice displayed when editing a disambiguation page ("This is a disambiguation page, for directing readers quickly to intended articles...") instructs editors not to end entries with periods. But they almost always seem to be fragments that end a sentence started above them – usually something like "''X'' may refer to [...]" – so, in these circumstances, is/are there any other reason/s to omit the periods? Curious, [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 10:03, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
:Trivially, they are unneeded, and save a byte per entry. In entries that need no description at all, I think they would seem odd. -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 12:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

== Complicated situation with [[rip tide]], redirects and disambiguation page ==

Today I created a stub for [[Rip tide]] in its correct, rather restricted meaning. There are several related pages, and I don't know what is the best thing to do with them. There is a pre-existing redirect page for riptide as a misnomer for [[rip current]] -- perhaps this should be eliminated? The page [[Riptide (disambiguation)]] also exists, and I tried to add the new article meaning there. Another thing: the spelling "rip tide" is at least as common or more common than "riptide" and previous to my edits that was not really acknowledged nor is there a redirect page for it. This all seems unduly complicated; can some nice person take a look at all this and see if it can be rationalized and simplified? Many thanks, [[User:Invertzoo|Invertzoo]] ([[User talk:Invertzoo|talk]]) 19:59, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

:I've redirected [[Riptide]] to [[Rip tide]] instead of [[Rip current]] and made some minor tweaks to these articles as well as to [[Riptide (disambiguation)]]. Please see if it looks good to you now. — [[User:Kpalion|Kpalion]]<sup>[[User talk:Kpalion|(talk)]]</sup> 19:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

::That seems like a big improvement, thank you very much Kpalion, I really appreciate your help! [[User:Invertzoo|Invertzoo]] ([[User talk:Invertzoo|talk]]) 12:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

== Chinese people ==

Members of this Wikiproject may be interested in discussion of [[Chinese people]] at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China#Chinese people]]. The article was reclassified from 'DAB' to 'stub' in 2007, but hasn't changed much since. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 02:12, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

== Coordinates in DABs ==

Are coordinates allowed in DAB pages as has been entered at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antrim&oldid=617690856#Places in Canada Antrim#Places in Canada] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leduc&oldid=606811864#Places Leduc#Places]? Cheers. [[User:Delusion23|'''<span style="color:green;">Del</span><big><sub style="color:black;">♉</sub></big><span style="color:green;">sion</span><span style="color:black;">23</span>''']] [[User talk:Delusion23|<span style="color:green;">(talk)</span>]] 10:15, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
:In a word, no. They may be acceptable on a set index, such as for mountains, where the purpose is completeness (and an appropriate source can be given as reference), but a redlink with only the coordinates is not an acceptable entry on a disambiguation page. Minimal requirements for a dab entry is that an existing article must mention the term. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 12:20, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for the advice. I'm coming across quite a few of these while going through a Wikidata backlog of items with links to DAB pages that also have coordinates listed. I'll remove offending cases as and when I find them. Cheers! [[User:Delusion23|'''<span style="color:green;">Del</span><big><sub style="color:black;">♉</sub></big><span style="color:green;">sion</span><span style="color:black;">23</span>''']] [[User talk:Delusion23|<span style="color:green;">(talk)</span>]] 17:23, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

== Cortes and related ==

Can any disambiguation experts advise on how best to deal with the confused situation we have over ''Cortes'' and related names?  We have the dab page [[Cortes]], which covers places and institutions called ''Corte'' and ''Cortez'' as well as ''Cortes'' (and variants with diacritical marks). People called ''Corte'' and ''Cortez'' are also listed at [[Cortes]], but people called ''Cortes'' are listed separately at [[Cortes (surname)]]. This all appears to have arisen from various past splits and merges, but what we are left with seems rather incongruous. I'm not well enough acquainted with the conventions of dab pages to know how best to untangle things. --[[User:Deskford|Deskford]] ([[User talk:Deskford|talk]]) 20:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
:I've split the page back, so that [[Corte]] and [[Cortez]] are now separate disambiguation pages. I've done some cleanup too, but you can still help with expanding these pages. It seems there's particularly much work to do at [[Cortez]], as you can see in these search results: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=cortez&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 Search: Cortez]. — [[User:Kpalion|Kpalion]]<sup>[[User talk:Kpalion|(talk)]]</sup> 07:44, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks – it seems much better to have them as separate pages. --[[User:Deskford|Deskford]] ([[User talk:Deskford|talk]]) 10:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

== Dabfix tool down for a long time ==

The [http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/view/Dabfix Dabfix tool] is down, and has been down for the past several weeks. When attempting to fix any page, it just gives an error and displays the note "The foundation is to serve the community, not the other way around."

Does anyone else know anything about this? It was an extremely useful tool and is still linked to all around this WikiProject and Wikipedia at large. Is there a replacement we can use?

EDIT: Looks like [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tool_Labs/Collection_of_issues_after_Toolserver_shutdown Toolserver shut down]. Hopefully we can get this back up soon.

[[User:Ithinkicahn|Ithinkicahn]] ([[User talk:Ithinkicahn|talk]]) 08:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

== Piped links at Gypsy ==

I had a go at cleaning up [[Gypsy]] back in 2013. As I recall, my edits were reverted a few times so I backed off. I happened to notice today that there seem to be several piped links on the DAB page. Maybe someone else wants to look at it? [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 04:43, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
:I've had a go but wasn't sure about Sea Gypsies. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 09:24, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

== Two Dabs help ==

Please check the [[Crazy Stupid Love]] dab page which it has only two entries, a film [[Crazy, Stupid, Love]] and a song [[Crazy Stupid Love (song)]]. Does this pass the [[WP:2DABS]] rule? If no, what will you suggest to fix this? Thank you. [[User:3oWh pF0wHz|<span title="It's empty at the Beach!!!">j3j3j3</span>]][[User_talk:3oWh pF0wHz|<span title="Wanna complain? CLICK HERE!!!">...</span>]][[Special:Contributions/3oWh pF0wHz|<span title="Disturb it at the Beach!!!">pfH0wHz</span>]] 17:21, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
:It's at the base name. It passes. -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 17:57, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

== Tagging more talk pages ==

Please note [[Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 61#WikiProject_Disambiguation|this request]], where I've asked someone with bot to tag the talk pages of disambiguation pages as being of interest to this project. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:49, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

==Hive Disambiguation Page==
===Technology===
* Hive, a highest-level logical section in the [[Windows Registry]]
* hive, a physical or virtual host computer, hosting a group of member packages of the [[:de:Hostsharing|Hostsharing]] platform.
* [[HIVE]], an abstract game programming library
* [[Apache Hive]], a data warehouse infrastructure built on top of Hadoop


When searching for more information about computer gaming jargon, I was trying to find a wiki entry about what a hive is. 

I found the disambiguation page for the word "hive" and thought I had found what I was looking for, but when I clicked on it, the link that loaded was, I think, in German (de.wikipedia.org). I was on the English (en.wikipedia.org) disambiguation page when I clicked the link. There is no English entry for HostSharing on the English version of Wikipedia. I was going to fix the link, but because it would lead to a redlink, I thought I would bring it to someone's attention in hopes of getting the link fixed and a page with the actual information on it in English on the English version of Wikipedia. If I knew enough, I'd do it, but I came here looking for the information myself, lol. 

This is the page I landed on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIVE_%28disambiguation%29
This is the section where the German (?) link is located:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hive&action=edit&section=6&editintro=Template:Disambig_editintro

There is no entry for Hostsharing in English. Can anyone translate it and make one? I do not know how to do that. So, I thought I would mention the link and ask here before attempting to do it myself and maybe messing something up. 

[[User:Jamastiene|Jamastiene]] ([[User talk:Jamastiene|talk]]) 18:20, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

== Hatnote debate for [[Legends (TV series)]], [[The Legend (TV series)]] and [[Legend (TV series)]] ==

I don't know where to find the hatnote experts, but I guess some of the watchers of this page may be experts. There are debates at [[WT:TV]] and [[Talk:Legends (TV series)]] regarding the need for hatnotes on the pages.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])</small> 07:48, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

==Primary topic for spectrum==
Is there a primary topic for [[spectrum]] and what is it? The spectrum article leans toward the physial sciences definition ([[electromagnetic spectrum]], [[mass spectrum]], etc.) but leaves the door open for all other meanings [[political spectrum]], [[broad-spectrum antibiotic]], etc.). There are two ways to go as I see it: 1) narrow the scope of [[spectrum]] to include only the physical sciences or 2) (if no primary topic) move [[spectrum]] to [[spectrum (physics)]] and move [[spectrum (disambiguation)]] to [[spectrum]]. I lean toward #2 due to the range (<small>spectrum?</small>) of uses, but would be OK with either. Comments? --[[User:Kkmurray|Kkmurray]] ([[User talk:Kkmurray|talk]]) 18:56, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
: I don't know that narrowing the topic would deprive it of its primary topic status. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:19, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
::The broad definition would be something like  "A range; a continuous, infinite, one-dimensional set, possibly bounded by extremes" and the narrow would be "a range of colours representing light (electromagnetic radiation) of contiguous frequencies; hence electromagnetic spectrum, visible spectrum, ultraviolet spectrum, etc."[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spectrum#Noun] I don't think that the narrow definition is the primary topic, but the broad definition might be. If it is, then its option 0) don't do anything. --[[User:Kkmurray|Kkmurray]] ([[User talk:Kkmurray|talk]]) 23:21, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

: The spectrum article seems like [[WP:BROADCONCEPT]], IOW I don't see the reason to change anything. What actual problem are you trying to fix? --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 11:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
::I think you are right: it's a broad primary topic so the article titles are fine as they are and there is no need to change. The initial problem was expanding the spectrum article and figuring out what the intended primary topic was. After expanding the article a little, it became clear that it would hold together better than I first thought it would. Thanks for helping me figure this out! --[[User:Kkmurray|Kkmurray]] ([[User talk:Kkmurray|talk]]) 13:07, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

== Proposed move ==

An editor has requested a  page move at [[Talk:Starz (TV network)]] that involves moving [[Starz]] (a disambiguation page) to [[Starz (disambiguation)]]. Members of this project may wish to comment at [[Talk:Starz (TV network)#Requested moves|the move discussion]]. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:green;">Aussie</span><span style="color:gold;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 17:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

== Isis (disambiguation) ==

There's disagreement on the entry (mostly the link to use) for the organisation in the news. More opinions welcome at [[Talk:Isis (disambiguation)]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 09:26, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

== [[George Waters (disambiguation)]] ==

Hello, there's an issue with my edits being reverted on this page by an editor with a history of edit warring. I don't want to get involved in edit warring, so can someone else please look it over? See its edit history. Thanks in advance for any help, [[User:Boleyn|Boleyn]] ([[User talk:Boleyn|talk]]) 09:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, there is an issue. [[WP:REDNOT|We don't red-link personal names]]. This is done for [[WP:BLP]]-reasons, and [[WP:OWN|your pet Wikiproject]] doesn't get to override site-wide guidelines. [[User:Joefromrandb|Joefromrandb]] ([[User talk:Joefromrandb|talk]]) 09:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
::BLP obviously does not apply in this case, as anyone who had bothered to look would know. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 09:30, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
::Furthermore, there should be an article for the MP and to quote the first link you gave above Joe - " Only add the red link if there clearly should be a corresponding article AND there is an existing article to link to (e.g., a blue link) elsewhere on the page." - which clearly applies here. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 09:32, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:::BLP is the reason that [[WP:REDNOT]] exists (so that an article intended to be about an MP doesn't wind up being written about an axe-murderer instead). So yes, [[WP:BLP]] does apply. Since there "should" be an article about the MP, simply write one. Problem solved! [[User:Joefromrandb|Joefromrandb]] ([[User talk:Joefromrandb|talk]]) 09:38, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
::::The redlink made clear it was about an MP. Seriously - I have never, in 8 years of editing, come across anyone applying your interpretation of this. BLP does not apply to very dead people, and it is ridiculous to pretend that it does. You have also engaged in personal attacks and have continued to impose your personal views while avoiding discussion. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 10:12, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::Yeah; you can look at this page and see just how much I've been "avoiding discussion". The arrogance! [[User:Joefromrandb|Joefromrandb]] ([[User talk:Joefromrandb|talk]]) 10:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::I did and you have. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 10:21, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Suuuuuuuuuure. [[User:Joefromrandb|Joefromrandb]] ([[User talk:Joefromrandb|talk]]) 10:29, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{ping|Boleyn}} & {{ping|DuncanHill}}: You should probably report Joe to 3RR or ANI for his continued disruptive behavior. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 14:14, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
*Thank you, {{ping|Purplebackpack89}}, I honestly thought aasking for a third opinion would end it - what a shame. [[User:Boleyn|Boleyn]] ([[User talk:Boleyn|talk]]) 14:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
*[[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Joefromrandb]]  {{ping|DuncanHill}}, {{ping|Purplebackpack89}}. [[User:Boleyn|Boleyn]] ([[User talk:Boleyn|talk]]) 14:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

== Rfc on what belongs on a dab page ==

There is a discussion at [[Talk:GNU_(disambiguation)#Add_and_delete_articles.3F]], about adding and deleting entries from this dab list. Please add to the consensus.  Please note each '''Add''' and '''Delete''' sub-section. — [[User:Lentower|Lentower]] ([[User talk:Lentower#top|talk]]) 04:58, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

== AA/aa - ZZ/zz disambiguations ==

There is currently a [[:Category:Letter-number combination disambiguation pages]]<br />
I was wondering:
*whether it might be positive to create a category for two letter disambiguation pages,
*whether it might be worth agreeing (if it hasn't already been done) a preferred style for such pages (simply capitalised - AA, or displaying various options - "AA,Aa,aa" or "AA,Aa,aA,aa" or similar)
Would a suitable title be: [[:Category:Two letter combination disambiguation pages]], [[:Category:Two letter disambiguation pages]] or something else?<br />
[[User:Gregkaye|Gregkaye]] ([[User talk:Gregkaye|talk]]) 08:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
:*there's also a discussion on this week at: [[Talk:BI#Request_technical_move]].  [[User:Gregkaye|Gregkaye]] ([[User talk:Gregkaye|talk]]) 16:21, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
:The preferred style is "XX" where "XX" is not a word (only an acronym/initialism), and  "Xx" where Xx is a word (and possibly also an acronym/initialism). If created, please hyphenate "two-letter". -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 12:33, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:: I concur that "Xx" where Xx is a word is the preferred style, although there are a number of current cases (including [[BI]]) where that is not being followed at the moment. These should be conformed to one consistent practice. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 13:11, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

::As far as the category is concerned I will go with [[:Category:Two letter disambiguation pages]],<br />
::for text, [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]], I'm toying with the idea of extending your guidelines as follows "in signigicant use" to read: "The preferred style is "XX" where "XX" is not a word (only an acronym/initialism), and "Xx" where Xx is a word (and possibly also an acronym/initialism) in cases where the word has significant currency in comparison to other uses".  However I need to see if this addition will have much relevance in reality.  ty, sorry, TY for the guidance.  [[User:Gregkaye|Gregkaye]] [[Usertalk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 16:12, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:NEW QUESTION,  
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when I add: [[Category:Two letter disambiguation pages]] at the bottom of pages, should I also remove {{disambiguation}}?  
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or what entry should I make? [[User:Gregkaye|Gregkaye]] [[Usertalk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 16:56, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:Definitely do not remove the disambiguation template. -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 17:07, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:I moved the category to its proper hyphenation. Please update the pages appropriately. -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 17:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I commented [[User talk:BD2412#Two letter disambiguation|here]] but was directed here. Would it be better to do this with a template that replaces {{tl|disambiguation}}, e.g. like {{tl|Letter disambiguation}} (but without the navbox unless there's a sensible way to do one) or the others in [[:Category:Disambiguation message boxes]]? This would deal with the over-categorisation and allow for a better description, as the default in this case, "articles associated with the same title", is perhaps not ideal.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 18:33, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:Something more like {{t|hndis}}? This template provides a different disambiguation descriptor, and also adds the page to the appropriate category (see, e.g. [[Max Weber (disambiguation)]]). [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:40, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

::Comment: What's the need for this category? Is there a link to some proposal or reasoning as I don't see any above. The question "might be positive..." isn't answered (or proposed). As we discourage categories on dabs in general that aren't created by the parameters on the {{tl|disambig}} template (or the other exclusive templates {{tl|hndis}} etc), a gentle ask. (similarly, this extends to the Letter-number combination <s>category</s> template {{tl|Letter-Number Combination Disambiguation}} too - at least we have a template for it, rather than a manually added category). I'm asking this instead of removing from the dabs I've seen it arrive on. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 22:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC) (clarified <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 11:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC))
::: I think it's a very good idea to have this categorization scheme. It lets us see whether we are being consistent with place of these pages at "XX" or "Xx" titles. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:::: (ec) Just saw [[Talk:BI#Request_technical_move]]. I can't imagine they get moved often, and there's about 26^2 = 676 of them. A one time check would be preferable. If there's a need for it long-term (not yet convinced), I agree with JohnBlackburne that the merits of either a new template or a parameter of the disambig template could be discussed. I'm against more categories being added when we discourage them. Would we stop at 2 letters, for instance? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 00:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

* As I mentioned at [[Talk:BI]], I prefer for words and acronyms not to be conflated in the same disambiguation page - that way we avoid having to prefer anything. If done in an orderly fashion, the impact of splitting the two on the speed of reader navigation is negligible. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 00:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
:: Don't agree in general - way too much splitting. BI needs cleanup already. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 00:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC) 
:: In general, for navigation (dabs) we don't put a high priority on capitalisation. If a reader needs to find their article, we certainly shouldn't split based on types of words... e.g. whether ISIS (or IS, ISIL, Islamic State etc ..., NATO, BBC, HP, IBM) are initialisms or not may not be known by the reader before they reach the article, distinguishing them would be a further decision they may not know the answer of. Put another way, what problem does it solve? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 08:38, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
::: What is the benefit of ''only'' having disambiguation pages categorized in the disambiguation category, which has hundreds of thousands of entries and is therefore basically unsearchable? This lets us put several hundred pages sharing a distinct common characteristic in one place, where their titles can otherwise easily be compared. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 11:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
::::Simplicity. I'm against feature creep on the dabs as there's such a high bad edit rate, and I'm not convinced our cleanup rate matches it. I consider we're failing to get across the basics for even experienced editors without greater complexity - there's admins that don't know MOSDAB. The simpler the better. Saying that, if you need this, you get my yes vote without question. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 12:05, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

== Avoiding red links: Did I handle it correctly? ==

There are several rivers in Iceland called ''Jökulsá''. Until now, English Wikipedia had only an article about [[Jökulsá á Fjöllum]] and [[Jökulsá]] was a redirect there. I created now [[Jökulsá á Dal]] (mainly as a translation from German-language Wikipedia) and changed the redirect into a disambiguation page [[Jökulsá]]. As I'm active mainly in German-language Wikipedia where disambig practice apparently differs from here, I wanted to make sure - was it correct to include only the two rivers where articles in English WP already exist? In German WP, we usually also add red links to disambiguation pages if we're sure that the topics are notable. However, as [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation dos and don'ts]] says "Don't add entries without a blue link", I did'nt add [[Jökulsá í Fljótsdal]], [[Jökulsá í Lóni]], and [[Jökulsá á Sólheimasandi]] (they all have articles in German WP, however). Correct? - I also wondered whether to use a hatnote, [[Jökulsá á Fjöllum]] may be the best known one. [[User:Gestumblindi|Gestumblindi]] ([[User talk:Gestumblindi|talk]]) 01:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
:You have the sense of it in general. However, many of these do appear to be included at [[List of rivers of Iceland]] and so could be included on the disambiguation page with a blue link to that list article per [[WP:DABMENTION]] and [[WP:DABRL]]. Although there might be some question as to whether these are [[WP:PTM|partial title matches]]. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 02:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks - I think it looks good now. If they were partial title matches, if I understand it correctly, we would need to delete [[Jökulsá]] altogether, as there is probably no river simply called "Jökulsá" - but this wouldn't be very helpful, I think... [[List of tallest dams in the world]] linked to "Jökulsá", meaning the Jökulsá á Dal (so the link even did go to the wrong Jökulsá as long as it was a redirect), [[Öxarfjörður]] also linked to "Jökulsá" and meant the Jökulsá á Fjöllum (both are fixed now). [[User:Gestumblindi|Gestumblindi]] ([[User talk:Gestumblindi|talk]]) 18:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

== Please take a look ==

Would someone please take a look at this page, [[Russo-Ukrainian War]]? It really should be deleted, as it doesn't refer to anything. It started as the original title for [[Russian invasion of Ukraine (2014)]], a PoV fork that was created to avoid full protection at some other articles. That article was moved, and hence Russo-Ukrainian War redirected to it. However, someone insists on making this redirect a disambiguation page to disambiguate things that do not and have never had the title "Russo-Ukrainian War". [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

== Alternative titles, and italics ==

There's discussion at [[Talk:Danzig (disambiguation)]] and [[Talk:Baykal (disambiguation)]]. It may be that a couple of examples for the different types of alternative wordings for primary topics may help standardise, as there's issues of if we're going to use italics for "words as words" / foreign words, vs what we currently do.
Separately, regarding [[WP:ITALICS]], we have an inconsistency between MOSDAB and the essay [[WP:REFERS]] (backed up by ITALICS / foreign words / use-mention distinction) that I guess we can simply address by mentioning it at MOSDAB for now. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 11:50, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

== Piped links to indexes ==

[[User:Sminthopsis84]] suggests that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Violet&diff=next&oldid=625560595 "Pipes are permitted when linking to another disambiguation page"] and has edited [[Violet]] accordingly. ([[List of plants known as violet]] is a plant-name index.) That seems incorrect to me and I don't see it in [[WP:DABPIPING]], but I may be ignorant of a relevant standard. Can anyone help? [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 03:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
:Well, (a) piping is not permitted when linking to another disambiguation page and (b) set index articles (including plant indexes) are not disambiguation pages. So the piping is not needed, and the link to the set index of partial-title matches is not needed outside of the "See also" section. -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 10:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

== Contentious hatnote ==

I think hatnotes are closely related to this project. There is a contentious hatnote being discussed at [[Talk:Legends_(TV_series)#Call_for_a_vote_on_hatnote_for_this_page]].--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])</small> 01:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

== Marriage equality (disambiguation) ==

Input from this wikiproject would be appreciated at [[Talk:Marriage equality (disambiguation)#DAB lacking link to primary topic]] and [[Talk:Marriage equality#Restoring redirect target]].--[[User:Trystan|Trystan]] ([[User talk:Trystan|talk]]) 23:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

== Flags and logs in section headings ==

See [[Rehal (disambiguation)]] - I've never seen this before. I'm struggling a bit also with the concept of a noble book rest. :-) [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 15:06, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
: Well the logo is non-free, which should help with the decision whether to remove it. [[User:William Avery|William Avery]] ([[User talk:William Avery|talk]]) 15:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks. Someone's cleaned up the page. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 08:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

== Missing dabconcept article drive ==

I have started drafts for a number of topics that have a clear primary topic, but for which there is currently no article at all on that topic, and a disambiguation page in that space. The quality of these drafts varies widely, but I would like to build them up and knock them out of draft space in short order. So far, the drafts I have begun are:

<div style="float:left; width:50%;">
*[[Draft:Accusation]]
*[[Draft:Captivity]]
*[[Draft:Congruence]]
*[[Draft:Consort]]
*[[Draft:Dusting]]
*[[Draft:Guess]]
*[[Draft:House guest]]
*[[Draft:Improvement]]
*[[Draft:Juxtaposition]]
</div><div style="float:right; width:50%;">
*[[Draft:Mental state]]
*[[Draft:Necessary evil]]
*[[Draft:Overhaul]]
*[[Draft:Size]]
*[[Draft:Sour grapes]]
*[[Draft:Weightlifting]]
*[[Draft:World domination]]
*[[Draft:Worst-case scenario]]
</div><br clear="all" />

Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 04:23, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

== OpenOffice ==

A RfC is open at [[OpenOffice]] on how or whether to include terms that, while not ambiguous with that title, are ambiguous with another topic that is.

Please [[Talk:OpenOffice#RfC:_How.2Fif_to_include_NeoOffice.2C_LibreOffice.2C_etc.|participate here]]. --[[User:Tóraí|Tóraí]] ([[User talk:Tóraí|talk]]) 08:38, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

:There's some pretty fundamental differences of opinions about the role/function/scope of dab pages in this RfC. Some input from editors experienced in this area would be appreciated. --[[User:Tóraí|Tóraí]] ([[User talk:Tóraí|talk]]) 20:01, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

== Template talk ==

If you've a mind to, please come and help out at [[Template talk:Dmbox#Should talk pages be categorized?]].  Thank you! &ndash;&nbsp;'''''<small>[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span>]]</small>'''''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">''C<small>LIMAX</small>!''</b>]]</sup> 06:24, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Disagreement at [[Islamic state (disambiguation)]] ==

There is some disagreement about whether [[Islamic state (disambiguation)]] should link to [[Islamic State (militant group)]], [[Islamic State (organization)]], or [[Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant]]. Outside opinions would be appreciated at [[Talk:Islamic state (disambiguation)#Redirect]]. —[[User:Mr. Granger|Granger]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Mr. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Granger|contribs]]) 20:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
:Correct, for completeness, also [[:The Islamic State]]

See also [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#Remove most of the guidance against using redirects]]. Where I've commented. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 10:57, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

::Update: Does the dab has any valid entries per [[WP:DABCONCEPT]]? Opinions sought on this at [[Talk:Islamic state (disambiguation)]] . I've marked for cleanup in the meantime. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 18:27, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

==[[Kennedys]]==
We are having a disagreement on what form the hatnote should take for the redirect "Kennedys", for the discussion, see [[Talk:Kennedy family]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.225|65.94.171.225]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.225|talk]]) 08:34, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
{{tb|Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kennedys (disambiguation)}} -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.225|65.94.171.225]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.225|talk]]) 03:30, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

== SpeciesAbbreviation template ==

Is the use of {{tl|SpeciesAbbreviation}} on [[Americana (disambiguation)#Species]] proper, or is that something that should be replaced with links to the various pages the template returns? It seems wrong to me, as there are no descriptions or common names of the species, which seem necessary for fixing incoming links. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 04:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

== Comment on the WikiProject X proposal ==

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please '''[[meta:Grants:IEG/WikiProject X|review the proposal here]]''' and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my [[User talk:Harej|talk page]]. Thank you for your time! <small>(Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.)</small> [[User:Harej|Harej]] ([[User talk:Harej|talk]]) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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== Talo ==
I just created Talo (disambiguation).Can someone help me getting everything right?For example moving [[Talo]] to [[Talo (disambiguation)]] e.t.c..Thanks in advance.--[[User:Catlemur|Catlemur]] ([[User talk:Catlemur|talk]]) 17:04, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
:I cleaned it up. It currently has a [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] of the bread article, which seems fine. If you don't consider it the PT, then best to ask for further opinions to reach consensus for the page move. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 10:25, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

== Airport disambiguation ==

{{tl|airport disambiguation}}: Seems there may be a desire (and use) to broaden dabs for airports to include an item using the location as the ambiguous term e.g. [[London Airport]], and the newly created [[Midland Airport]]. Should they be converted to [[WP:SIA]]s to solve this, as I've done with the latter, or is it adequately covered in MOSDAB / desirable to add it? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 10:31, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

== Move discussions ==

FYI: There is a move request underway at [[Talk:Shizuoka, Shizuoka]] that includes discussion about how to interpret [[WP:MOS-JP]] and whether Japanese cities should supercede their prefectures at base names (expertise on whether real usage supports this would be helpful). This apparently concerns at least [[Ōita, Ōita]], [[Tokushima, Tokushima]], [[Tottori, Tottori]], [[Wakayama, Wakayama]], [[Fukui, Fukui]], [[Gifu, Gifu]], [[Nagano, Nagano]], [[Chiba, Chiba]], [[Toyama, Toyama]], and [[Yamaguchi, Yamaguchi]], since all were moved to replace the dab pages at the plain names last month. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 07:43, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

== [[Talk:I Like It Like That]] ==

Page move discussion ongoing; join in. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 15:19, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

== Ebola (disambiguation) ==

More opinions are sought over [[Ebola (disambiguation)]], which has a hatnote to from our currently most read article. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 18:40, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
:Seems like there are already plenty of opinions there. '''''—[[user:swpb|Swpb]]<sup>[[user talk:swpb|talk]]</sup>''''' 13:45, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

== Guoyu ==

Yesterday I [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guoyu&diff=prev&oldid=631291624 tried] to turn [[Guoyu]] into a proper DAB page, but even as I was doing it I questioned whether it was advisable to keep all the languages that were at various times the national language of China. (國語 means "national language"; it is pronounced guóyu in Standard Chinese. One user has added a paragraph to each of those language articles, essentially stating that it was "referred to as Guoyu during ''foo'' dynasty". Of course, that's a bit of an anachronism, as 國語 was not pronounced guóyu by the rulers during those periods.)

Another editor has since changed my wording, so even if my actions were advisable, they were not uncontroversial. Would somebody else like to have a go? [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 00:33, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

== [[Lofty]] ==

Someone made an article out of the [[Lofty]] dab page. I thought you should take a look. The present article may need to be moved though.--[[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 02:31, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

:There is an obvious problem: [[Lofty (disambiguation)]] now redirects to the article about an e-commerce website. Either the DAB should be recreated at the (disambiguation) name, or the page should be rolled back. It's not obvious to me that the website is notable, but the article does cite two external web sources, so it might be. At the very least, the biographies of [[Lofty England]], [[Lofty Large]], and [[Lofty Wiseman]], plus [[Mount Lofty]] need disambiguation. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 03:22, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

::There is another slightly less obvious problem: the altered [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lofty&oldid=620896664 Lofty] appears to have been copied from [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beepi&oldid=620783229 Beepi], with a few key words changed. Compare, for example, "Lofty was initially funded by angel investors, including Fabrice Grinda, who has invested in more than 100 start-ups" with "Beepi was initially funded by angel investors, including Fabrice Grinda, who has invested in more than 100 start-ups." [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 03:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

:::I have rolled back to the DAB page and started a discussion at [[Talk:Lofty#Commercial website article]]. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 06:10, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
:::: I think that was exactly the right thing to do. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 13:22, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

== Attention needed at [[Jewish seminary]] ==

My efforts to bring this page into some semblance of conformance with [[WP:MOSDAB]] have been reverted - with a "warning" - by [[User:Debresser]], who seems intent on maintaining this page as a bizarre disambiguation/concept hybrid. Will someone please bring the page within the guidelines, and explain to this editor that he intends to work on disambiguation pages, he should first understand the requirements for formatting them. Obviously, failing to do so is disruptive and harmful to the encyclopedia because it creates false positives that complicate the work of disambiguators. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 13:51, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
* Note: this situation seems to be largely resolved, but should be watched for changes following the resolution of the current AfD. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 13:26, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

== OpenOffice - request for closure ==

Will an uninvolved admin or experienced editor close [[Talk:OpenOffice#RfC:_How.2Fif_to_include_NeoOffice.2C_LibreOffice.2C_etc.|this RfC on OpenOffice]]? Thanks. --[[User:Tóraí|Tóraí]] ([[User talk:Tóraí|talk]]) 20:57, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

== Portfolio management ==

[[Portfolio management]] is a disambiguation page in some respects not including its organization or layout.

There are six incoming links from Article space, if i count correctly, and one of those concerns geological explorations rather than securities, applications, or projects, which may be considered three things whose portfolios the page now covers in various ways.

--[[User:P64|P64]] ([[User talk:P64|talk]]) 18:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

== Imprint, in publishing ==

Our DPAGE [[Imprint (disambiguation)]] provides as PRIMARYTOPIC a narrow sense of "[[imprint]], in publishing" (linked as i have done here). The DPAGE doesn't list what else ''imprint'' in publishing may refer to, nor suggest that there is any ambiguity. But the PRIMARYTOPIC target page [[imprint]] begins with a free-hand disambiguation: "In the [[publishing]] industry, an '''imprint''' can mean several different things:". Four bullet points follow, of which the second is the narrow sense we give here.

See [[Talk:Imprint]]. 

The page [[imprint]] may have been overlooked by systematic on-topic editors. Only this hour I tagged that talk page with three maybe-appropriate WikiProject banners (Books, Brands, Business). --[[User:P64|P64]] ([[User talk:P64|talk]]) 23:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
* I tweaked the lede a bit to make it clear that these are related - they are all "kinds of information about the publication of a book or other work". [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

== Album and song article names ==

There is currently a discussion about how to disambiguate the titles of articles about albums and/or songs that have the same name, at [[Talk:Keep On Keepin' On#Requested move 10 December 2014]].  Interested editors are encouraged to comment there (and not here, to keep the discussion all in one place).  Thanks. <span style="font-family:cursive;">— [[User:Mudwater|Mudwater]]<small><sup> ([[User talk:Mudwater|Talk]])</sup></small></span> 16:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

== Things to do: Rivers, Creeks, Brooks, Lakes ==
I noticed there are lots of disambiguation pages like [[Conway]] — [[Conway River]] or [[Cooper]] — [[Cooper River]] or [[Cottonwood]] — [[Cottonwood River]]. Both should have a "See also" section, with a blue link pointing to the other. Some times there are also disambiguation pages with title ending in "Brook" or "Creek". Same rule applies to them too. Lakes too. Example: [[Black (disambiguation)]], [[Black River]], [[Black Brook]], [[Black Creek]], [[Black Lake]]. Sometimes "Bridge" too: [[Black Bridge (disambiguation)]]. Easy edits for anyone who wants to pick the task. — [[User:Ark25|'''<span style="background:#0070F0;color:#ffffff">&nbsp;Ark25&nbsp;</span>''']] ([[User_talk:Ark25|talk]]) 17:43, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
* This sounds like something that might be automated. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

== Cities and towns during the Syrian Civil War ==

It is quite annoying that I am unable to solve the six links to disambiguation pages somewhere hidden in  [[Cities and towns during the Syrian Civil War]]. This article is such a mess of templates, subtemplates and modules that I can not find my way in it. Assistance needed!

The links:
* [[Ayn al-Bayda]]
* [[Bura]]
* [[Minas]]
* [[Nasrat]] (redirect page)
** [[Nusrat]]
* [[Qiziljah]] (redirect page)
** [[Qezeljeh]]
* [[Samad]]

<span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 21:06, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
: I have dealt with this issue before. The links all originate in [[Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map]], which calls links without showing on the "What links here" page that they are in the template. Unfortunately, the only way to fix disambiguation links in the page is to copy a list of just the links to a separate page and see what shows up as ambiguous. The situation is further confused by the fact that the "link" to be fixed is the text following the link= parameter, not the text in brackets. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 21:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
:: I think they are fixed now. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:08, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

== Difference ==

What is the difference between [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation]] & [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links]]? because both are wikiprojects & aimed at same objective.(<small>[[User:!dea4u|<span style="border:2px Solid #800080;padding:1px;"><span style="color: #ffff33;background: #800080;">'''&nbsp;!dea4u&nbsp;'''</span></span>]]</small> 06:23, 23 December 2014 (UTC))
:"Disambiguation pages with links is a project that patrols the incoming links to disambiguation pages" (its first sentence). It's not a WikiProject, but part of WikiProject Disambiguation: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation#Repair incoming links]]. -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 11:49, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

== Disambiguation for Japanese cities ==

* ''([[Talk:Nara, Nara#Requested move 23 December 2014 |Discuss]])'' – '''[[Nara, Nara]] → {{no redirect|Nara}}''' -- How can we disambiguate a Japanese city from a prefecture of the same name? With your help, we may be able to come up with a better way than double naming the city. [[User:NotUnusual|NotUnusual]] ([[User talk:NotUnusual|talk]]) 12:09, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
** I'm not a project member now, but I'd like to comment on this discussion as a Japanese. 
**: In Japan, we use the word '''Nara''' for both the prefecture and the city. But for formal use, we call '''Nara Prefecture'''(Nara-Ken:{{Langx|ja|[[:ja:奈良県|奈良県]]}}) and '''Nara City'''(Nara-Shi:{{Langx|ja|[[:ja:奈良市|奈良市]]}}). So I think [[Nara Prefecture]] should be remained and [[Nara, Nara]] should be moved to [[Nara City]].--[[User:Psjk2106|Psjk2106]] ([[User talk:Psjk2106|talk]]) 17:29, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
*::: The discussions are [[Talk:Nara,_Nara#Requested_move_23_December_2014 | here]] and [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Japan-related_articles#Nara.2C_Nara | here]]. [[User:NotUnusual|NotUnusual]] ([[User talk:NotUnusual|talk]]) 23:05, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

== Translation placement ==

Where should an entry like [[Messerschmitt Me 410]] ''Hornisse'' ("Hornet") go in [[Hornet (disambiguation)]]: in the main body or See also? [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 01:27, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
:Perhaps the answer should depend somewhat on whether the translation ever makes its way into English usage for the topic. However, when in doubt (and in this particular case), I think it is best in the main part, since it can be grouped there with related topics in a category (in this case, other military aircraft). —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 02:01, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

== Help requested for [[Anil K. Jain]] and articles listed on it ==

I consider myself rather efficient at creating disambiguation pages and renaming articles on the page per standards if necessary, but I am completely stumped on this one. From what I am seeing (as well as fellow editor [[User:Megalibgwilia|Megalibgwilia]]), it seems quite difficult to disambiguate the titles in the two articles listed on the disambiguation page [[Anil K. Jain]] to a point where they will not be confused for one another. (I try my best to avoid disambiguation pages with two entries, but it seems that one subject on that page could truly be confused for the other.) At this point, I have disambiguated both articles as sufficiently as possible via [[WP:NCPDAB]], but I'm not sure that even with the birth year of both subjects (only a 2 year difference) if that is sufficient title disambiguation. Also, because of this, large descriptions of both subjects have been added to the disambiguation page, as well as a note (which I know is quite against disambiguation page standards) in order to yet distinguish the two subjects. Can anyone provide some help/resolution on the matter that I'm most likely not seeing? [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:13, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
:For what it's worth, I think the current situation is satisfactory (and is better than before Steel's recent changes). Another possibility might be to disambiguate according to the institution at which each has been a professor, or to mark one as "(image compression engineer)" and the other as "(pattern recognition researcher)". [[User:Megalibgwilia|Megalibgwilia]] ([[User talk:Megalibgwilia|talk]]) 21:30, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Megalibgwilia}}, I'm going to bring this up on [[Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people)]] as well since I just remembered that the scope of this project is disambiguation page style and creation (which the page really could use some help in) but not actual disambiguation in article titles. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:40, 6 January 2015 (UTC)