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== It's just another day ==

Bestest of the thingys to you. I saw ''[[Hootenanny (UK TV series)|Hootenany]]'' tonight, and was much impressed by [[Ruby Turner]] and [[Sandie Shaw]], (who made me melt not once, but twice), but was particularly taken by [[The Vaccines]], who sounded like a mixture of [[The Ramones]] and [[Tenpole Tudor]] to me.  So that easily got my vote.  [[Betty Wright]] was sensational, and if you missed her, BBC I-Player (or whatever it is) may suffice.

But for reasons I can not completely rationally explain, I am sure this turn of the 'supposed calendar' will be something of a watershed for me here. I somehow feel like I am dying.

[[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 03:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

:Don't talk like that - [[WP:WIP|we have work to do]]!  I must admit though, watching Jools Holland's annual bonhomie (which I missed this time - I'll certainly need to catch up on Betty Wright) tends to send me into despair as well.  But then I listen to some [[Songs of Love and Hate|good ol' Lennie]], and always cheer up, knowing there's people in a much worse state than me.  Buck up, lad!  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 13:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
:PS: I take it all back actually - that was a pretty classy show.  Betty Wright was indeed wonderful - and I'm always partial to Imelda May, and enjoyed Cyndi Lauper and Caro Emerald as well.  Best for some years, I'd say!   [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 15:31, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

::Yes, I really enjoyed everything - class and good musicianship from start to finish.  Plus dear old [[Henry Blofeld]] referring to Jools as "my dear old thing" - priceless.  Unlike this place, which seems to embrace idiots; references from Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, YouTube etc; whilst giving regular editors a hard time. See [[Chris Beard]] if you have not already - just watch, I'm in for another roasting, rather like two years ago.  If so, I'm finished here.

::[[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 15:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

:::A similar thing happened to me once with a bot edit like that - it was clearly nonsense, so I removed it. Nothing to worry about.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 16:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

::::Thank you for your support - I hope you are correct in your assumption.  I think you and I (and plenty other editors of similar vintage) deserve a bit of respect here - not a kick in the pants.  Thanks again.

::::[[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 17:06, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::The thickness of my skin increases year by year!  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 17:08, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

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== The Standells ==

Thansk for your message.

It may be somewhat fussy on my part, but I do not like to see what are, in essence, made up jargon words. I always keep in mind that we are editing an encyclopaedia and that, therefore, the vocabulary we use must be accurate and precise and, more importantly, accessible. "[[Bassist]]" fails on all counts (look it up on Wikipedia). If someone plays a bass guitar (not a bass), then they are a bass guitarist - most bass guitarists would faint if presented with a double bass, let alone a bass clarinet, a tuba or sousaphone. Readers with less command of the English language will be completely bamboozled by "bassist", unless they are regular readers of the music press, which is rarely, if ever, promoted as a standard of good writing! Unfortunately, many Wikipedia articles on popular music have the same faults, using the jargon and language of the pop music press rather than encyclopedic vocabulary e.g. "debut" album: what's wrong with first? [and even worse, "sophomore" album, when the word has no meaning to English speakers/readers outside the US]; "keyboardist" which could just as well be a computer operator/typist; "featuring", meaning not especially promoted but just "with"; "hiatus" meaning stopped working!. I could go on, but I'm sure you get the point. [[User:Emeraude|Emeraude]] ([[User talk:Emeraude|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

::Caught me out with ency..... Though the OED does allow encyclopaedic and encyclopedic. But I will plead it was not an inconsistency but a straightforward typing error! [[User:Emeraude|Emeraude]] ([[User talk:Emeraude|talk]]) 10:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Which got me checking, and the OED says "'''bassist''', ''n.''"One who plays a bass instrument, spec. a double-bass". It doesn't recognise ''bassist'' as bass guitarist, but does have a draft entry for "'''bass guitarist''' ''n.'' a person who plays the bass guitar." [[User:Emeraude|Emeraude]] ([[User talk:Emeraude|talk]]) 10:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

==Monmouth==
Hi Guy, thanks for your note. There is a worry that we get an article improved in June - about 3 months after it all got translated! I think youve spotted that. I'm not sure I have a magic answer. If  we can get it to "B" then I'd be OK with that. Obviously I'm committed to 1,000 codes so I may be encouraging more articles although we don't need very many in English. I just spotted large errors in Monmouth Show article. Lots of modern sites say started by "Sir Charles Morgan MP", but I can find no one like that and anyway the show itself says it was "John Rolls"! .... I'm assuming that the show is the RS in this case. I was hoping that ghmyrtle might "do their best". A GA might have to wait until "phase two". Phase 1 is meant to the 1,000 codes and should be installed by April. (There will be a party). [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 23:43, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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==Methodist Church et al==
Well I was thinking I'd done well to polish up the church article and add some refs, but then you polish it more and add two more missing refs.... and then I find you've done the Savoy in spare time! Impressive. [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 08:56, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:I'll try and avoid starting new articles about the town's buildings in future, I think, as I don't want to tread on people's toes, though hopefully I can add in material from some of the reference materials I've acquired. I'll try to think of some less obvious topics - like [[Monmouth cap]], and maybe one or two biographies - to work on.  Incidentally, I see you've assessed [[Trellech]] as part of the project - how far do you see the project extending beyond the town itself, or are you just assessing on the basis of relevance to Monmouth specifically?  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 09:34, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:PS: By the way, though I'm not keen on putting forward DYK nominations myself, I've no objection to other people doing it...!   [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 09:36, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
::Great (re DYKs) - some nominations coming up! When we did [[Derby Museum and Art Gallery]] then we said that if it was mentioned in the article then it was relevant. So Trellech mentions Monmouth but I wouldnt spend much effort there. Stepping on toes? ==> collaboration? The latter feels very good. I agree its a fine line! [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 11:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I don't want to leave new editors with nothing to do!!  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

== Priory Church of St Mary, Monmouth ==

Thanks to your efforts, the article is certainly looking so much better now, even with a few redlinks. Do you think [[User:Peter I. Vardy]] could be persuaded to produce an article for St. Mary's? In my opinion, he is about the best for creating church articles, although I think most of his so far have been in England. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:No harm in asking, but equally there may be benefits in enticing someone locally to start it off, and later on more "professional" inputs, as it were, can be part of the educational process!  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 12:34, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
::You are quite right. But I'll ask Peter what his view is and how he's fixed. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:41, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:::KPJ1 has suggested that Peter I. Vardy could be asked to have a look over it sometime. So I'll ask. But as regards the info box, I guess as it's only a small article, we should perhaps try and avoid duplication? There is scope for a map with push-pin location, usually within county. But would this really add much? Perhaps a "location within Monmouth" might be useful, but I guess we don't have a town map template to allow that. Any ideas? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
::::My view is that a location map in the infobox for each building would be unnecessary - we have a map for Monmouth and that should suffice (though personally I'd rather use the Wales map than the one for the local authority - that's a discussion to be had elsewhere).  A town map would be a very useful addition though, if it can be done (both technically, and without infringing copyright).  I added locational coordinates to the Priory Church article - I think that is the better approach, allowing readers to click through to maps and Google Earth images.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 13:25, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
[[File:Guide pics0001.jpg|right|180px]]
:::::Yes, fully agree. Am still searching for an organist at the moment! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:27, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::Is anyone suggesting the addition of maps?  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 13:33, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::As far as I know, no-one except me. Was assuming it might conflict with [[WP:MOS]]. A question for Victuallers perhaps. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:53, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::A low-tech alternative would be to include this map >>> in all the Heritage Trail site articles.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 14:06, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::Good Lord, man, insiduous commercial opportunism at it's very worst! (or maybe not, haha). Looks a bit busy at this scale, but might be very useful. A larger one with hide/reveal sounds good to me. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:10, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Probably not a good idea, actually - I suspect OS might have something to say....  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 14:12, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::I suppose that OS is the Council's provider of choice. Or are these things decided at a regional or even national level? Would a handmade version of the trail be breach of OS copyright> It wouldn't really surprise me! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:17, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::All I know is that the OS are very touchy about these things.  If it can be shown that someone walked around the trail without an OS map in their hand, and drew the trail map afterwards without referring to such a map, they might be satisfied.  Allegedly.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 14:20, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Also.. if that's what the source says, then who are we to argue, '''but''' "46,000" seems a very round figure, doesn't it? I doubt that there is any primary source quoted in the Heritage Trail Guide, but I wonder how does the author know? Sorry to be straying partly into [[WP:OR]] territory here, but a non-mathematician I'm just a bit intrigued! I have now added Kelly's (which readers might find useful in itself) as a second source for this. The oldest online ref I can find to 46,000 is [http://www.thefreelibrary.com/TOMB+RIDDLER%3B+Graveyard+mystery+solved+by+TV+show.-a089408231 this one]. But presumably, people have had (at least) 180 years to do the counting. I guess there must be (exactly?) 11,500 per quadrant. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I don't know - I just reflected the sources.  I was ''very'' glad when I gave up maths, a very long time ago (we used [[slide rules]]!)  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 21:18, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Haha yes, I still have mine! But I'm not sure that logarithms would help much here. It's probably quite simple if one knows how to derive the right number series formula. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:24, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
{{outdent}}Came here late - I was wondering if it was possible to get an Open Street Map of the centre of Monmouth. If we knew the precise boundaries of this using Lat and Longtitude then we have a facility for showing where the church etc are on the map. We can also put the heritage trail list or the listed buildings list onto this map. I had a look at it but couldnt see how to quickly define the lat and longs of a picture I's copied out of OSM. There must be someone out there .... [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 17:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
:Is that necessary?  I thought the point of putting linked coordinates in articles was that people could click through to a map page?  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 09:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

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==Fire Image permission==
Hi Guy, I have an email from the museum giving permission. Do you know how to register this with commons so we can use the pic?
[[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 09:41, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:I'm not an expert (I assumed you were!), but I think that it would need to be uploaded at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard, giving the appropriate permission, and then inserted into the article.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 09:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

==DYK for Savoy Theatre, Monmouth==
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==When are films British, and when are they Welsh, Scottish, English or Northern Irish? ==
Since another dispute has arisen over the country of origin of [[Hedd Wyn (film)]], I think it's high time we agreed on a consistent policy on what counts as a British film, and what counts as a Welsh, Scottish, English, or Northern Irish film. As someone who contributed the last time this came up, would you [[Talk:Hedd Wyn (film)#More about country of origin|care to comment]]? Suggestions on where the broader discussion should happen are especially welcome. [[User:Garik|garik]] ([[User talk:Garik|talk]]) 03:43, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

== St Peter's Church ==

Do you know the coordinates for [[St Peter's Church, Dixton]], please? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 23:38, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:Now added them.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 07:44, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:PS: But why do we need them displayed twice?  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 13:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

== Jimmy Castor ==

I've switched his YOB back to 1940. See [[Talk:Jimmy Castor]]. – [[User:Connormah|Connormah]] ([[User talk:Connormah|talk]]) 22:38, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

==DYK==
Hi Guy, just make the change, I got "destroyed" from the ref but common sense says that it should be "partly". Although I think you can "destroy" something without vapourising it, so I can see that destroy could be justified. but ... just do it. Very impressed by the collaboration so far. 40 articles in only a few weeks and none of them are sub-stubs. They all tell you something, have refs etc. This is going to be very impressive, get your DJ ready for the VIP party :-) [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 23:57, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::Unfortunately, once a DYK hook has gone through the process of getting approved, placed in queue, etc., there seems to be no obvious way of getting it changed.  So, it wasn't changed, and so we have a nonsensical hook.  Another (very small) nail in the coffin of DYK, but never mind....  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 08:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

==DYK for Market Hall, Monmouth==
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:I'm embarrassed...  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 08:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:Changed midway to:  ''"... that [[Monmouth Museum]] opened in the '''[[Market Hall, Monmouth|Market Hall]]''' ''(pictured)'' six years after a fire partly destroyed the building?"''  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 11:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

==Grade II* Listed Buildings in Monmouth==

Can we not find anything on Maddox's work on St. Mary's Street and that obscure ditch Clawwd Du, to finish this listing?  [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 10:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:I haven't found anything of substance on St Mary's Street - even Newman seems to ignore it.  Re Clawdd-du, I would rather have an article on the Clawdd-du itself, or (preferably, in my view) on the history of Overmonnow as a wider area, than on the listed bridge structure itself, which is (I assume) quite small and obscure.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 10:18, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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==George Vaughan Maddox==
And reverted my moving of 8 Monk Street!  [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 20:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:I suppose we should take account of [[WP:IMAGES]] - though I often ignore it!  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 20:25, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

==DYK for William Jones (haberdasher)==
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}}  [[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 16:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

== gwent/county ==

Please explain what you mean by: contrary to WP policy? What is? I thought WP was about being able to bring factual accuracy to articles? The article I was attempting to edit is innacurate and misleading - the reference he quotes has no mention of the content claimed. The URL I offered, has a much better explanation of the issues the sentence I have edited is trying to discuss...([[User:Cymrupara|12276631]] ([[User talk:Cymrupara|talk]]) 20:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)).
:See [[WP:SELF]] and [[WP:V]].  Further discussion at [[Talk:Gwent (county)]] please, not here.   [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 20:25, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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== in Western Europe! ==

Turkey is not in Eastern Europe! The [[List of Eastern European cars]] are about ex-communist countries! [[User:Böri|Böri]] ([[User talk:Böri|talk]]) 12:24, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
:Turkey is not usually considered to be within [[Western Europe]], by the criteria generally used by sources to define that term.  I suggest that you raise your concerns on the article talk page, rather than edit warring.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 12:39, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

:: Like that Greece is NOT in Western Europe! [[User:Böri|Böri]] ([[User talk:Böri|talk]]) 12:46, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Please raise your concerns [[Talk:List of Eastern European cars|here]] or [[Talk:List of Western European cars|here]], not on my talk page.  Thank you.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 13:05, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

== Three Graces, Liverpool ==

Hello again<br> 
I noticed some comments on the Pier Head talk page ([[Talk:Pier Head#"Three Graces"|here]]) and thought I'd pick this up again. I've had a look for older sources, but drawn a blank. The central library (in Liverpool; are you from Liverpool yourself?) has past editions of the Echo back to the year dot, but they are all on microfiche; the idea of reading every Echo printed for ten years for a reference I'm fairly sure doesn't exist doesn't fill be with enthusiasm.<br>
I did find some books of old photos, but I don’t know how conclusive they are;
*"Britain in Old Photographs: Liverpool" by Catherine Rothwell, published 1996 and reprinted 2007 has pictures of the Pier Head buildings on two pages, but doesn’t refer to them as the Three Graces 
*Likewise "Images of England : Central Liverpool" by David Paul, published 1997, reprints 2003 and 2008; one page, no mention. 
*OTOH "A Century of Liverpool : Events People Places" by Cliff Hayes 1999, reprint 2009, has one page, and does refer to them as the Three Graces 
*But (intriguingly) his second volume "A Century of Liverpool II : Changing City" (2000, reprint 2007) has another picture, and refers to them as “sometimes called the Three Sisters, The Three Graces, or Faith Hope and Charity”.
So make of that what you will; Does this represent a timeline? Did Rothwell and Paul just not bother to mention it? Did Hayes change the text for the reprint? It’s interesting (to me) that his later book has a more equivocal stance. Anyway, just thought I’d mention it… [[User:Swanny18|Swanny18]] ([[User talk:Swanny18|talk]]) 20:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
:This discussion would be better located at the article talk page.  If the Hayes references pre-date the existing 2000 citation, they should be referenced in the article.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 15:38, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

== Section retitled: '''''Cwm Rhondda''''' ==


'''I show a posting below that I received last night on my talk page, together with my reply, and the user's response:'''<blockquote>

'''Bread of Heaven'''

I enjoyed your collection of flags at the top of this page.

I know (the English version of) the hymn that includes the line "bread of heaven".  In fact, it is right up at the top of my favorites.  But please tell me what is the specific connection between Welsh rugby and "bread of heaven".

Thanks, [[User:Wanderer57|Wanderer57]] ([[User talk:Wanderer57|talk]]) 22:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

:''Cwm Rhondda'' is a very well known Welsh hymn tune.  First performed in 1907.  ''Cwm Rhondda'' translates as "the Rondda Valley" in English, and more often than not, sung to the words: ''Guide me, O thou great Redeemer''.  Wales rugby union supporters adopted it years ago, although the reason is not understood, apart from the fact that it is an inspiring song which everyone knew (Sundays in chapel) and could keep repeating, and repeating... I think it splendid.

:It was sung at the funerals of both Princess Diana and the Queen Mother, and at the wedding of Prince William and Catherine Middleton.


:[[User:Gareth Griffith-Jones|Gareth Griffith-Jones]] ([[User talk:Gareth Griffith-Jones#top|talk]]) 23:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

::It is indeed splendid, both tune and words.   The version I learned (in the United Church of Canada) began ''Guide me, O thou great Jehovah''.   

::The part of the story I did not know was its adoption by the Rugby union.  A great anthem, known to everyone in Wales.  I guess it is a natural.  [[User:Wanderer57|Wanderer57]] ([[User talk:Wanderer57|talk]]) 03:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)</blockquote>
[[File:Leeks produce-1.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Leeks for sale: ''Are you ready for The Six Nations?'']]

'''I am wondering if you would be kind enough to add below any knowledge you may have on this topic.'''

Many thanks for your time.

With kindest regards,

[[User:Gareth Griffith-Jones|Gareth Griffith-Jones]] ([[User talk:Gareth Griffith-Jones|talk]])

:Hello Ghmyrtle,
:Thank you for your quick response.  Your criticism is duly noted, as is your good advice.
:I am, like you, not much interested in hymns, Welsh or any other.  On the other hand, I am passionate about rugby, and that is the core of the user's question to me.
:Best wishes,  [[User:Gareth Griffith-Jones|Gareth Griffith-Jones]] ([[User talk:Gareth Griffith-Jones|talk]]) 17:42, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

::The singing of Hymns at rugby matches in Wales is almost as old as the sport in Wales itself. One of the best documented matches in 'early' rugby history is the 1905 classic between Wales and New Zealand. Before the match the crowds were entertained by a brass band, I'm assuming military as they played marches. Before kick off the crowds sung 'Boys of the Old Brigade', 'Ton-y-botel' and 'Lead Kindly Light'. The game is best remembered though for the first ever singing of a national anthem before a sporting event when the crowd sung 'Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau' along with Teddy Morgan. As early as the 1970s there was a public bemoaning of the hymn singing traditions at national matches, replaced with the songs of Max Boyce and howls of 'Waaay-uls'. Personally I think that the song was adopted along with many others, but being in English, memorable and catchy, it stuck. If you want a reference that acknowledges it is seen as a Welsh rugby anthem you could use this [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-wedding/8479507/Royal-wedding-Prince-William-and-Kate-Middleton-choose-popular-hymns.html here]. Otherwise I will think you will find it difficult to find a verifiable reference to why Cwm Rhondda has been embraced. [[User:FruitMonkey|FruitMonkey]] ([[User talk:FruitMonkey|talk]]) 20:39, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Here's an [http://h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/A3477927 essay] on the hymn. But not sure it actually '''explains''' anything! Maybe we should confine any futher discussion to Gareth's own Talk Page. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:54, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Sorry, this was meant to go on Gareth's page, (or the Welsh Wikipedians page) it's just posted in so many places I confused myself. [[User:FruitMonkey|FruitMonkey]] ([[User talk:FruitMonkey|talk]]) 21:03, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

:::::Hi Gareth, I think I've confused you into thinking I know something about Wales ... I'm just supporting [[MonmouthpediA]] for Wikimedia UK. I can't claim any expertise - Suggest you ask your question on the talk page of Monmouthpedia or Wikiproject Wales. Do come back at me if Ive misunderstood. [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 16:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::...or here (where many interested editors can read it), or on the article talk page.  Adding the same request to lots of editors' talk pages is a bit ... unconventional?   Personally, the fact that I happen to live in Wales doesn't make me an expert on - or especially interested in - Welsh hymns.  Sorry. [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle|talk]]) 16:25, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
{{deindent}}As you may have noticed, I have followed the advice given by Victuallers, and also yours regarding the article's talk page.  Now '''I have noticed your edit summary''', but I merely clicked on the link/s that Victuallers recommended.  However, I am more than a little confused about the first one that you suggested:- i.e. ''"...here"''.
If, as I understand, you mean my own talk page, then how will ''"...many interested editors...read it"''?
[[User:Gareth Griffith-Jones|Gareth Griffith-Jones]] ([[User talk:Gareth Griffith-Jones|talk]]) 07:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
:Unless they have actively taken steps to remove it, I think that your talk page will be on the watchlist of any editors who have contacted you or you have contacted.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 07:37, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

== Gwent ==

Just to let you know, [[Wikipedia:Help_desk#Quick_question]]. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:17, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

==Tuesday==
Guy - Are you going to this meeting on Tuesday night in Chepstow? It would be good to meet you [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 17:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
:Just watched [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO6ZrWJeaOM&feature=share this] - very good. Yes, I hope to be there.  My email address is <<< thataway if you want to discuss anything further!   [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 09:36, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== ?hurr? ==

Lighten up you say! I wont see Devon produce mocked, I love Cornwall and Devon equally and find the food exceptional from both. However Kosher food is really hard to find! And for that posters information - Cornish Clotted cream is probably more popular in Devon than, er, Devon made stuff. Don't worry - I'm not taking it too seriously. --[[User:Τασουλα|Nutthida]] ([[User talk:Τασουλα|talk]]) 17:35, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
:Actually I removed it in good faith, per WP:FORUM. --[[User:Τασουλα|Nutthida]] ([[User talk:Τασουλα|talk]]) 17:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
::Trust me I get it now. I'll only use it for comments like "JUSTIN BIEBER IS HAWT LOL" comments ^_^. Yeah, edit summaries are my weak point, apologies :P --[[User:Τασουλα|Nutthida]] ([[User talk:Τασουλα|talk]]) 17:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm not angry...if I seem that way, blame the words of the internet. --[[User:Τασουλα|Nutthida]] ([[User talk:Τασουλα|talk]]) 18:02, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


==John Rolls, 1st Baron Llangattock==

Of all the obscure articles in all the Wikipedia world you have to walk into mine at the exact monment I'm editing it!  [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 23:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
:Sorry!!  It happens sometimes - something comes up on the watchlist, you follow links, etc....  I'm not stalking, honest!  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 08:21, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::Not a problem at all.  On a quasi-MonmouthpediA matter, you don't have an image of Dingestow Court do you?  MonmouthpediA excited my interest in my old home county and I'm now ploughing through the Grade I and II* listeds.  But I can't find an image for Dingestow Court.  Ah well, something will turn up.  [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 19:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
:::There is [http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2473643 this] at Geograph - but it's a very poor quality image.  There is also [http://digidol.llgc.org.uk/METS/tir00001/logical?mode=reference&item=8&locale=cy this] at the National Library of Wales, dating from mid-C19 so presumably OK from a copyright point of view - though I rely on others about questions like that.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 23:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Many thanks - I've put the drawing in.  Hopefully, if someone takes it out they'll replace it.  [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 17:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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== on your edits... ==

No malice was implied, it was just that the grammar and syntax in a lot of the spots were a bit muddled.

I gave it chapters as well, to give it a more linear look as well to anyone who's never heard the album.

I'm a big fan of the album myself, I actually listened to it again as I edited it and whoever put the original text about the individual songs was on the money.

No offense, just wanted some clarification.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JohnnyChicago|JohnnyChicago]] ([[User talk:JohnnyChicago|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JohnnyChicago|contribs]]) 21:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== User:GoodDay ==

Please see:
* [[User_talk:Snowded#Lord.2C_give_me_strength]]
--[[User:Mais oui!|Mais oui!]] ([[User talk:Mais oui!|talk]]) 06:08, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

==Wye Road Bridge, Chepstow==
You don't currently have the time/inclination to do an article on the above by any chance? It's on the list of Grade I Monmouthshire buildings/structures but I'd only do a Newman/Pevsner stub.  I also see you're the author of a rather lovely photograph of the bridge. I'll leave it a while but I revert to being an impatient child when I see a list of listed buildings, as you've noticed.  Best regards.  [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 18:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:If you can wait a day or so....   [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 19:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::With pleasure - I look forward to it.  [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 20:42, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Just a point to note - I've put it in the [[Listed buildings in Wales]] as [[Wye Road Bridge, Chepstow]], BLBO says "Road Bridge over River Wye" (I think that's the one), and Coflein says "Chepstow Road Bridge".  I got into a right mess when I mis-spelt [[Church of St Teilo, Llantilio Crossenny]] in the list and built the article from that.  [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 20:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::::There you go...  I've called it [[Old Wye Bridge, Chepstow]] to distinguish it from the 1988 bridge that now carries the main road, as well as the [[Chepstow railway bridge]], and the [[Wye Bridge]] which forms part of the M48 (Severn Bridge).  Happy to discuss the name if it's an issue, but I'll set up redirects and hatnotes.  Thanks for your comments as well.  Regards, [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 23:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

==Chepstow Port Wall==
Fantastic!  Now I know what to look forward to in the Wye Bridge.  [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 22:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

==Old Wye Bridge, Chepstow==
A very nice end to the current list of Monmouthshire Grade I's.  The list of Grade II*s seems so very long............... [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 23:43, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks.  By the way, is there a consensus anywhere that all Grade II* listed buildings should have their own article?  I can see that would be useful in many, possibly most, cases, but in many other cases it seems to me that it would be unnecessary.  Not only stone crosses in someone's garden, but also some buildings about which there is actually very little published information - I can think of several cases in Chepstow, for example, where I would find it difficult to justify a separate article. has this been raised anywhere to your knowledge?  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 09:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::Not aware of any guidelines, but I'm sure you're right.  It's probably also true of Grade Is.  That very debate is going on at [[Castle House, Usk]], and I very much doubt there will ever be enough material to write a separate article on the cross at Raglan.  But reference to them could be made in other articles, as at the [[Abbey Hotel, Llanthony Priory]] and a re-direct will get them in the appropriate lists.  [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 07:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
:::It seems to be a matter of each editor's personal style, rather than there being a consensus or a guideline - though it would be good to have a centralised discussion somewhere between informed editors.  I had a similar (unresolved) discussion over [[Kentchurch Court]].  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 08:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

== New [[Old Wye Bridge, Chepstow]] article ==

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==Merseyside==
I have started the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Traditional_Counties_POV_Warriors]] --[[User:Kitchen Knife|Kitchen Knife]] ([[User talk:Kitchen Knife|talk]]) 17:55, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

== Tom Jones' middle name ==

The problem is there are loads of other links and references to his wrong middle name scattered throughout the article and the name "John" and "Jones" keeps being altered throughout the history of the article.
Regards, [[Special:Contributions/81.105.49.183|81.105.49.183]] ([[User talk:81.105.49.183|talk]])  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 22:07, 17 February 2012 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I have tried inserting footnotes but these are regularly deleted. There is also a problem with Sir Tom Jones' place of birth he was born at 57 Kingsland Terrace but it regularly gets changed to 44 Laura Street - I included a link to a secondary source (an example his birth certificate readily available on a website) that confirms both his true name and his true place of birth but this too gets deleted. Regards [[Special:Contributions/81.105.49.183|81.105.49.183]] ([[User talk:81.105.49.183|talk]]) 22:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
::I don't care enough about this, I'm afraid.  I'll keep an eye on the page, but there are a number of experienced editors there and I would be surprised if they make too many errors of judgement on what should and should not be included.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 22:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
I have done as you suggested and added the words, "Some sources give his middle name at birth as Jones, but this is incorrect" close to the top of the article. I find glaring inaccuracies in people's names and place of birth to be unacceptable - many people travel half way around the world to visit Sir Tom's birth place and its only right that we use his true name and they are directed to the right house that he was born in. Regards, [[Special:Contributions/81.105.49.183|81.105.49.183]] ([[User talk:81.105.49.183|talk]]) 23:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
:You haven't done what I suggested at all.  You've added trivia to the ''opening sentence of the article'' ! - that is not the same as adding a [[WP:FN|footnote]].  So, I reverted you.  Please learn how to edit before you go much further.   Also, please don't remove my comments from my talk page.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 23:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
==Talkback==
Any more kind words before I archive the thread? {{=)|grin}}  <small>[[User:Dave1185|<i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[User talk:Dave1185#top|♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®]]</span></sup></small> 22:45, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
:No - I'm sure you've got the message.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 22:49, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
:*Well then, have a good weekend. Cheers~! --<small>[[User:Dave1185|<i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[User talk:Dave1185#top|♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®]]</span></sup></small> 23:00, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

== WP:OVERLINK ==

Howdy. I think it would be a good idea if you & Walter compared notes. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 00:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

==Raymond Hill==

Well, if I did write up Raymond, it would be original research.  I probably will.  I've salted thousands of pieces of original research in Wikipedia over the years, but as I have said before, I am uncomfortable with the modern [[Pecksniff]] style Wikipedia police.  Raymond plays on "[[Rocket 88]]", "[[Ooh-poo-pah-doo]]" (I wonder if he's related to Jesse Hill), and "[[Mystery Train]]" and probably many others, genuine New Orleans tenor honker of the first class.  I'll see what I can come up with.  It will be my first new article in years.  [[User:Ortolan88|Ortolan88]] ([[User talk:Ortolan88|talk]]) 23:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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== Jimmie Nicol Talkpage ==

Hi, sorry but I'm trying to clean up this section which is a mess, and also rely to a previous comment - just give me 10 minutes! --[[User:Patthedog|Patthedog]] ([[User talk:Patthedog|talk]]) 19:44, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
:Right, I'm done. The unsigned comment wasn't me BTW, it was Boogiejuice. Still a bit of a mess but I can't tamper with another's text. --[[User:Patthedog|Patthedog]] ([[User talk:Patthedog|talk]]) 20:05, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

==Historic counties of England and Flag insitute.==
[[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=|link=]] Your recent editing history  shows that you are currently engaged in an [[WP:EDITWAR|edit war]]. '''Being involved in an edit war can result in you being [[WP:BLOCK|blocked from editing]]'''&mdash;especially if you violate the [[WP:3RR|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[WP:REVERT|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period.  Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert.  Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's [[WP:TALK|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors.  You can post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]].  In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> --[[User:Kitchen Knife|Kitchen Knife]] ([[User talk:Kitchen Knife|talk]]) 15:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
:Umm...no.  See article talk page.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 15:08, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
:: Err no look at the History of the page. You are the one who would brake 3rr first, if you carry on with you behaviour.--[[User:Kitchen Knife|Kitchen Knife]] ([[User talk:Kitchen Knife|talk]]) 15:14, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

== Charles Dickens' article. ==
Hi Ghmyrtle. As a senior editor noted for your contributions, im contacting you in relation to the Charles Dickens article which has been of a low standard for a long period and edits unvetted. The one issue that needs to be dealt with in [[Talk:Charles_Dickens]] was one editors sweeping allegations. This subject in particular, has been in dire need of a collaboration and discussion among editors, and not one editors POV, so that consensus on the material is reached on talkpage, and the '''addition and wording''' scholarly. Thanks. [[User:Harrison 1979|Harrison 1979]] ([[User talk:Harrison 1979|talk]]) 18:07, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
:Not my area of interest or expertise I'm afraid, though the editor you're thinking of has crossed my path previously.  I think I'll pass on this one, thanks.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 22:28, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

== Domestic violence? ==

(not sure what to expect when 31 hours have expired... especially if the "brakes" come off.. ) [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_England&diff=478592981&oldid=478592720 I'm thinking of changing my user name].  What do you think?   {{small|''Repugnantandirrational''}} aka  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 13:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
::I have no idea what you mean - you explanations are meaningless. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
::: ;-)  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 13:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
:::: ".. one of the most dangerous types of user on Wikipedia" - I think that nasty text wink there gives it all away! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:48, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

==Uncredited background singer==

Undelete away.  I have a visceral distaste for wikipedia wars and will not participate in them.  If the article comes back, I will continue to dribble in my little contributions.  Sorry to be such a crank, but I just do not like being angry, so attempt to avoid it at all costs.  I thought deleting the article would do that.

The harsh metallic taste in the mouth, obsessing with hatred for strangers, congenital distaste for baffling bureaucratic procedures, all those combined to drive me away from this kind of controversy.

The deletion is the only time in all my years here at wikipedia.com, as it was known when I started, that I have taken any action as an administrator.  I thought the article was a good idea, and still do, but it really isn't for me.  Wikipedia has wandered away from me, although I am acutely aware that by such actions of mine such as compiling the first edition of the Manual of Style, and participating in the driving out of the wack jobs that attempted to take over the infant encyclopedia, I may have actually contributed to the growth of a new attitude in which the kind of contributions I can make are generally deprecated.  

Drop me a note when it is reinstated.  Tom Parmenter, [[User:Ortolan88|Ortolan88]] ([[User talk:Ortolan88|talk]]) 21:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

:I'm sure the editing environment here must have changed a lot since your initial involvement, so I'm not surprised at your views.  I'm happy to continue to be involved in areas that I find enjoyable, and avoid areas that I'm sure I wouldn't find enjoyable (like being an admin!)  Anyway, I'll keep an eye on that article (undeleted at the moment), and hope you'll be able to put something together on Raymond Hill - and indeed on other areas of mutual interest.  I wouldn't have ever got involved here if it hadn't been for your initial work (at [[Origins of rock and roll]], for instance), so I hope you'll stay an active contributor, despite your understandable frustrations.  Regards, [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 13:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

== [[National Shipyard]] ==
Ooooh. A nice article, old bean.  Your box brownie must have been busy last summer.  Hope you are keeping well.  For a disruptive and argumentative editor, you're not a bad egg.  Bestest,

[[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 23:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
:Surely you mean "repugnant and irrational"?  Oh, and "one of the most dangerous types of user on WikiPedia".   Oh well, can't win 'em all.  Not my photos actually, but I'm reasonably happy with the article overall given there's so little published about them.  If I write a book, based on "my" articles here, does that make me [[WP:RS|reliable]]?  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 23:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

::Two things.  Firstly, I am sure your 'book' will be quickly deprecated as "unreliable", by the mealy pedants that seem to hold sway here.  Secondly, and you have briefly ridden my high horse, those "disruptive and argumentative", who freely peddle their tripe on Wikipedia against experienced and diligent souls, should be summarily dispatched by a posse of administrators. Sadly, they do not appear to exist. I believe that this project loses far more committed and diligent souls, than it will ever recruit, as long as the present situation persists.  Remember what I said only a few weeks ago - you may have witnessed a piece of it on my talk page recently. Well, I will not tolerate those who try to take a cheap shot at me any more.  I do not think that you should either.  But that's your choice.  I intend to fight my corner, whatever the consequence.  For such a meek, mild mannered, go with the flow sort of person, (perhaps, like you) this stance is positively alien to me.  But I've had enough.

::Well researched article on the old shipyards though.  That's the spirit.

::[[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 01:19, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

:::I don't think WP is any better or worse than the real world - it's certainly no worse than some paid jobs I've done.  Every workplace has its share of nutters and jerks.  The difference is that, supposedly, we do this because we want to, and we can walk away whenever we want.  But I still feel quite attached to it, even though I'm struggling to think of what I can contribute here that's both interesting to me, and useful to other people.  I have a vague idea of how I might help out here in future, but I'll see how it goes - and maybe I'll just find something better to do elsewhere.  If you've decided to move on, don't have any regrets, just go wherever you want it to take you.  I'm off out into the real world for a day or so....  no doubt nothing much will have changed when I come back!  Regards, [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 13:55, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

== [[National Shipyard]] ==

Thanks for writing that - I'd been thinking about it myself, but hadn't yet found any good sources beyond the Chepstow Museum collection. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 09:53, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
:Well, feel free to expand it.  You're right, there is remarkably little around about the history of the shipyards and the engineering works.   I haven't explored the local history stuff in the library too much yet, but now it's more accessible I'm planning to do that myself, not specifically about the shipyard but that will obviously be part of it.   [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 11:38, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

== Article restructuring at the Beatles ==

There is a discussion taking place [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Beatles#Restructuring here], and your input would be appreciated. [[User:GabeMc| — GabeMc]] ([[User talk:GabeMc|talk]]) 03:54, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

There is a straw poll taking place [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Beatles#Straw_Poll here], and your input would be appreciated. [[User:GabeMc| — GabeMc]] ([[User talk:GabeMc|talk]]) 02:46, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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== St David's Day DYK ==

Hi, just to let you know, [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] appears to have a few close paraphrasing issues with the [[:Template:Did you know nominations/Monmouth cap|Monmouth cap DYK nomination]]. If this can be addressed quickly this hook still can go through for St David's Day. (Unfortunately I'm going offline in a few minutes so won't be able to look at this myself, but if there are still issues later on tonight/tomorrow I'll have a go at fixing them then.) Don't forget to mark it with a {{tl|DYK?again}} for a re-review. Cheers, [[User:Zangar|Zangar]] ([[User talk:Zangar|talk]]) 18:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

==Hi==
Hi Guy, starting to push the Charles Rolls challenge. We should have quite a few Monmouth DYKs on the front page tomorrow - and have you seen the news about the wifi! Could you sign up here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA/Charles_Rolls_Challenge/Points if only to encourage others :-) Oh and thanks for your support! You might help if you don't add '''all''' your articles immediately!!! as it might deter newbies [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 15:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

==DYK for Monmouth Cap==
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== Monmouth museum ==

Hi, just wondering about the change you made back to the original reference, I understand what you mean seeing as a newer source usually means it's more reliable but I've read the source and it doesn't mention that the museum is formerly Nelson Museum and doesn't call the museum anything other than Nelson museum so I feel it's a bit misleading to say it's name has been changed to Monmouth museum, although it is more commonly known as such. Moreover, the reference I used was from the curator at the museum so I feel like that source was more reliable than a town guide. Sorry if I've done this all wrong I'm pretty new to the whole wikipedia editing thing.
[[User:Rmcurran|Rmcurran]] ([[User talk:Rmcurran|talk]]) 09:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
:Hmm - there seems to be some uncertainty.  Certainly Monmouthshire Council seem to refer to it primarily as Monmouth Museum - [http://www.monmouthshire.gov.uk/info/100009/leisure_and_culture/474/museums_and_castles/5 here].  But I've no evidence of there having been any "rebranding", and I've no reason to doubt the curator!  Maybe we should be a little more equivocal in the article wording.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 10:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
::It is more commonly known as Monmouth Museum there's no disputing that, I'm working at the museum at the moment and spoke to Andrew about it and he also told me that the full title I put before was correct, so should I put it back?[[User:Rmcurran|Rmcurran]] ([[User talk:Rmcurran|talk]]) 10:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
:::I've made slight changes to the wording - see what you think.  I think it's better not to use words like "commonly known as" or "officially known as" - "alternatively known as" seems more neutral.  It seems to me that the curator has a serious problem over branding, that he needs to take up with Monmouthshire council and whatever board manages the museum.  If it confuses us, heaven knows what visitors would think.  To an outsider, "Monmouth Museum" would be far clearer - "Nelson Museum" implies that it ''only'' contains Nelson memorabilia.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 10:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
::::That's looks great thanks for the help and maybe I'll mention it but it does say Monmouth Museum outside and the website also calls it Monmouth museum, I just think the Nelson Museum and Local History Collection is more of an official name since there are other museums in the area and therefore it makes sense to differentiate itself in some way.[[User:Rmcurran|Rmcurran]] ([[User talk:Rmcurran|talk]]) 10:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Okie Doke! Thanks Ghmyrtle ! [[User:Willgee|Willgee]] ([[User talk:Willgee|talk]]) 19:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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==Hilston Park==
Thanks for your help, you and Martin are diligent workers!♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 23:27, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:My kids went on school visits there!  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 23:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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== Kandahar massacre ==

Hi Ghmyrtle,

Yesterday you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APanjwai_shooting_spree&diff=482036878 expressed] your concern that the use of the word "spree" in the description of the events in Kandahar on 11 March 2012, appears wholly inappropriate for the UK readers. At the moment there is a [[Talk:Panjwai_shooting_spree#Requested_move|discussion]] and a [[Talk:Panjwai_shooting_spree#Straw_poll|straw poll]] on this issue, with the suggestion to rename [[Panjwai shooting spree]] into [[Kandahar massacre]]. If you are still interested in this topic, you are very welcome to express your opinion there.--[[User:Potorochin|Potorochin]] ([[User talk:Potorochin|talk]]) 08:12, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

== Tŷ Gwyn ==

Please see my talk page. Pages must not be moved by [[WP:CPM|copying and pasting]]. I am happy to carry out any reasonable move request. --[[User:Stemonitis|Stemonitis]] ([[User talk:Stemonitis|talk]]) 20:23, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:Please check the article history, as to who did the cut and paste - not me.  I've replied on your talk page.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 20:28, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

== Johnny Fuller ==

When you have a minute, could you have a look in your trusty R&B chart book, and see if there is anything for [http://koti.mbnet.fi/wdd/johnnyfuller.htm Johnny Fuller].  Possibly "All Night Long" or "Haunted House"; both 1958 as far as I can tell.  He might be billed as Johnnie Fuller.  I feel an article coming on - unless he is on your 'to do list' that is.  Many thanks,

[[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 15:46, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:No hits at all, I'm afraid...  Over to you!  Regards, [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 21:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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==I remember you before you were famous ... ==
I see the Italians have discovered you [http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522ma%2Banche%2Bsulla%2Bflora%2Be%2Bla%2Bfauna%2Btipiche%2Bdella%2Bcitt%25C3%25A0.%2BIl%2Btutto%2Brealizzato%2Bovviamente%2Bnel%2Bmaggior%2Bnumero%2Bpossibile%2Bdi%2Blingue,%2Bad%2Boggi%2Bsono%2Boltre%2B250,%2Bma%2Bconcentrandosi%2Bsoprattutto%2Bsul%2Bdialetto%2Bgallese%2522%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dubuntu%26hs%3DmrS%26channel%3Dfs%26prmd%3Dimvnso&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&twu=1&u=http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2012/03/18/monmouthpedia-intero-paese-galles-finisce-rete/198540/&usg=ALkJrhjPl_laL79BE3EjnO37cihDUGBoSA here]. Still if you've written 38,000 articles :-) 

More seriously. I'm meeting our video person in Monmouth on Friday to record voxpops - "So why are you spending time writing about Monmouth?" We can use these as adverts. Are you interested in helping? Coming along? What time could you make it/ not interested/ I'll send a vid by email ... [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 22:17, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

:Hmm - something got lost in translation, I think!  Anyway, I hope Monmouth is making plans for an invasion of time travelling tourists from Rome - veni, vidi, wiki... [http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:Monemuta].  Not sure about Friday, but if it's the afternoon it might be possible - let me know.  I'm not really writing about Monmouth any more - done my bit there.   Any news on extending it to Chepstow or elsewhere?   [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 22:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

::Or the [[East Riding of Yorkshire]] !  Hell's bells, it's not too far away - ask any Yank. Tee hee.

::[[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 22:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

:::That's utterly awesome, GHM. Wow! What a great idea! Wow again!! Wow! --[[User:Rannpháirtí anaithnid|<span style="color:black;">RA</span>]] ([[User talk:Rannpháirtí anaithnid|talk]]) 22:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Guys, guys.... they got it wrong, [[Monmouthpedia]] was nothing to do with me, I haven't written 38,000 articles, don't believe everything you read in the press, etc.....  Thanks but.... it wasn't me, the main credit goes to [[User:Mrjohncummings|this guy]]....   [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 22:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Phew, what a relief... I mean, imagine how long would it take to screw those 38,000 ceramic QR tiles into place!? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:59, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::Well, regardless of your role, GHM, well done. Love spread to [[User:Mrjohncummings|that guy]] too.... --[[User:Rannpháirtí anaithnid|<span style="color:black;">RA</span>]] ([[User talk:Rannpháirtí anaithnid|talk]]) 23:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

::::::I bet any money, you'll get a blue plaque on your wigwam. - [[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 23:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Speaking of which, I'm thinking of taking up the ukulele again - [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth/8910445/Making-music-key-to-happy-retirement-research-says.html everyone's doing it], apparently...   [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 23:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::::In that case, I intend to resurrect my somewhat extinct [[punk rock]] ensemble, The Useless Twats.  I was once a "frenzied demon on the [[stylophone]]", according to the ''[[Holderness Gazette]]''. My dearest is having great trouble stopping me rolling around the floor with all this excitement. - [[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 23:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::Excellent band name!  Did I ever mention that I was the first person in Exeter (where I lived then) ever to buy a Sex Pistols record?  And that I had my input to Exeter's first ever punk fanzine rejected because it was "boring"?  Story of my life really....  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 23:38, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::The absolute swines !! - how could anyone describe any artistic effort in Exeter as "boring".  Unfortunately, the batteries have got badly corroded in my dear old stylo.  I might have to switch to the [[clàrsach]] with [[Distortion (music)|fuzzbox]] attachment, or possibly the  [[archicembalo]] plugged in to a [[Electronic Music Studios|EMS Vocoder 5000]]. The possibilities are endless... assuming I can play a note. [[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 00:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For a very inspirational idea for taking Wikipedia into the real and local world. Very cool! And very inspirational! Well done and thank you! [[User:Rannpháirtí anaithnid|<span style="color:black;">RA</span>]] ([[User talk:Rannpháirtí anaithnid|talk]]) 22:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the thought, RA, but I'm just a very small cog in this initiative.  It's been interesting seeing new editors coming forward, and existing ones sharing their expertise and interests through the initiative - hopefully many of them will want to stay involved.   [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 23:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

==DYK for Hilston Park==
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== Thanks and ==
Thanks for your comment and useful link at "River Wye". Do you by any chance know an answer to the question I raise at [[Talk:Mary de Bohun]]? <span style="font-family:Gill Sans;">[[User:Andrew Dalby|<span style="color:green;">And</span>]]'''[[User Talk:Andrew Dalby|rew D]]'''[[User:Andrew Dalby/Bibliography|<span style="color:green;">alby</span>]]</span> 14:45, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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== merge ==

yes, you are right, however i did that on purpose, merge direction is not clear, but i see now how to rectify this. [[User:Semitransgenic|<span style="font- weight:bold; color:black; text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.4em;"> <i>Semitransgenic</i></span>]] <sub><small>[[User talk:Semitransgenic|<span style="color:gold;">talk.</span>]]</small></sub> 09:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

== Border issues ==

Re: [[Wyastone Leys]] - is it explained historically by the fact that the boundary was the northern side of thr River Wye? (even though I thought that, typically, OS maps mark boundaries at river mid-lines?) (btw, if Google StreetView is to be believed, the "Croeso i GYMRU" sign on the A40 is far further to the South than it should be (it's even south of the bridge for the between-carriageways feeder return road). The border actually seems to be marked by the "No Stopping" [http://www.directa.co.uk/site/scripts/product_browse.php?product_id=15977&category_id=468] a good 400 yds further north on the southbound carriageway.) [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
:I doubt if it's to do with the river line, simply because the boundary rises well above the river level.  The only suggestion I can make is that it's something to do with mediaeval land ownership, which affected parish boundaries, but if so you would expect the area to have some sort of archaeological significance, which it doesn't seem to.  Re the road signs, there may be an argument that they were positioned where they would create less of a distraction to motorists, but without driving up that way I wouldn't want to be specific.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 08:20, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
::I could understand this, over a river, for a parish, a town or even just a county boundary. But a national boundary as well?! It's quite a surprise. It's more intriguing when the house itself is not even included. (btw I think you are probably quite right about the A40 sign placement). [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:26, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
:::It wasn't a "national boundary" until 1974 of course!  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 13:29, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
::::I keep imagining that Wales has had firm boundaries for much longer than that. You'd think it migbt have been rationalised in 1974. But then - what's the point. Still plenty of scope here for all kinds of conspiracy theories, haha. We'll probably find that that field is still at war with Germany. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::What I meant was: ''"[[Monmouthshire (historic)#"Wales and Monmouthshire"|From the mid-sixteenth century to the early nineteenth century it had not been a matter of very much importance as to whether an England/Wales border could be identified and, if so, where it ran in respect of Monmouthshire.]]"''  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 15:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

==Map==
Can't claim any credit. Tom Morris of WMUK found it on the GeoHack page - we hope to build on this to do "trails". I'm on Monmouth tonight if you fancy a beer [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 13:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

:Steady on, Vic, don't you get the Wiki legend all tipsy wipsy !?!
:[[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 13:55, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

::''"Tipsy wipsy"''....?  What do you drink up in Yorkshire, and have you started already?  Sorry Roger/"Vic", I'm not around this evening.  Have fun!  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle#top|talk]]) 15:04, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

:::Ferrets dipped in gravy, tha' knows. - [[User:Derek R Bullamore|Derek R Bullamore]] ([[User talk:Derek R Bullamore|talk]]) 15:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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Oh I did. re Chepstow... we are talking to snr peeps at MCC. Think Chepstow marketing need to do some ... marketing. We can only claim popular support. They can create it. [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 21:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

:I don't think its any big secret. Do remind them that I thought the best way to get involved was to help with Monmouthpedia. They would know how many articles that were being written, their museum person would be attending meetings with Aberystwyth GLAM on future of copyright, their marketing person would be working with leading UK PR Agencies. There are about 7 or 8 people on the MonmouthpediA comms team doing the marketing alone. Not to late to get involved but they do need to DO something. Where is their marketing champion? What decision did the museum make on copyright? I do remember leaving that question hanging. I'm travelling from Derby, others from Newport, Cardiff, North Wales, Birmingham, Bristol and London, great help from Guy at Chepstow but has mkting group done enough to clone this?. We need people to go in vids and do bits for the press now. [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 22:19, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
::Probly me ranting. Oh I got confused, I thought the minutes were from the marketing group. I was hoping that they might do more. They seemed quite keen. I'm thrilled when crowd sourcing works - as we know from wiki does every day. I'm disappointed when it doesnt quite work. I'm expecting that plans will be revealed in May when April 21 has settled. I will be back next week. [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 22:54, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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