Talk:Jew's harp - Revision history

BD2412: Closing requested move; not moved using rmCloser

2024-03-31T18:54:24Z

Closing requested move; not moved using rmCloser

← Previous revision		Revision as of 18:54, 31 March 2024
Line 5:		Line 5:
	{{WikiProject Asia\|importance=mid}}		{{WikiProject Asia\|importance=mid}}
	}}		}}

			{{old move\|date=19 March 2024\|destination=Jaw harp\|result=not moved\|link=Special:Permalink/1216364172#Requested move 19 March 2024}}

	== Another early use of jaw harp ==		== Another early use of jaw harp ==
Line 187:		Line 189:
	== Requested move 19 March 2024 ==		== Requested move 19 March 2024 ==

			<div class="boilerplate mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"><!-- Template:RM top -->
	{{requested move/dated\|Jaw harp}}
			:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves\|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review\|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.''

			The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' There is a clear absence of consensus in favor of the proposed move, and sufficient opposition to the move to make relisting unlikely to result in a different outcome. [[User:BD2412\|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412\|'''T''']] 18:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
			----

	[[:Jew's harp]] → {{no redirect\|Jaw harp}} – "Jew harp" has only 3,50,000 results, "Jew's harp" has only 1,75,000 results, but "Jaw harp" has 6,50,000 results on Google, while "Mouth harp" has 5,42,000 results.		[[:Jew's harp]] → {{no redirect\|Jaw harp}} – "Jew harp" has only 3,50,000 results, "Jew's harp" has only 1,75,000 results, but "Jaw harp" has 6,50,000 results on Google, while "Mouth harp" has 5,42,000 results.
Line 217:		Line 223:
	*'''Oppose'''. My opinions on this have not changed since the last time this was discussed. [[User:Jpgordon\|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon\|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 20:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose'''. My opinions on this have not changed since the last time this was discussed. [[User:Jpgordon\|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon\|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 20:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''', per the reasoning in the last RM. ''Jew's harp'' appears to be the common name, and there's no evidence anyone particularly considers it to be offensive.  — [[User:Amakuru\|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru\|talk]]) 17:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''', per the reasoning in the last RM. ''Jew's harp'' appears to be the common name, and there's no evidence anyone particularly considers it to be offensive.  — [[User:Amakuru\|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru\|talk]]) 17:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
			<div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div><!-- from [[Template:Archive bottom]] -->
			</div><div style="clear:both;" class=></div>

Hilst: swap archive box for talk header

2024-03-30T15:07:49Z

swap archive box for talk header

← Previous revision		Revision as of 15:07, 30 March 2024
Line 1:		Line 1:
	{{~~archives~~}}		{{Talk header}}
	{{WikiProject banner shell\|class=Start\|1=		{{WikiProject banner shell\|class=Start\|1=
	{{WikiProject Musical Instruments\|importance=Low}}		{{WikiProject Musical Instruments\|importance=Low}}

Amakuru: /* Requested move 19 March 2024 */ o

2024-03-29T17:21:41Z

Requested move 19 March 2024: o

← Previous revision		Revision as of 17:21, 29 March 2024
Line 216:		Line 216:
	*'''Support''' clearly a common name and not problematic like the existing title. What happened in the previous RM is irrelevant to this ongoing RM. [[User:Azuredivay\|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Support''' clearly a common name and not problematic like the existing title. What happened in the previous RM is irrelevant to this ongoing RM. [[User:Azuredivay\|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose'''. My opinions on this have not changed since the last time this was discussed. [[User:Jpgordon\|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon\|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 20:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose'''. My opinions on this have not changed since the last time this was discussed. [[User:Jpgordon\|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon\|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 20:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''', per the reasoning in the last RM. ''Jew's harp'' appears to be the common name, and there's no evidence anyone particularly considers it to be offensive.  — [[User:Amakuru\|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru\|talk]]) 17:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Jpgordon: /* Requested move 19 March 2024 */

2024-03-27T20:23:58Z

Requested move 19 March 2024

← Previous revision		Revision as of 20:23, 27 March 2024
Line 215:		Line 215:
	*'''Oppose''' per evidence I and others presented in the [[#Requested move 5 February 2023\|previous RM]] 13 months ago. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #004705;background:#168c1d;padding:2px;color:#e9ede9;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> '''AjaxSmack''' </span>]] 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per evidence I and others presented in the [[#Requested move 5 February 2023\|previous RM]] 13 months ago. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #004705;background:#168c1d;padding:2px;color:#e9ede9;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> '''AjaxSmack''' </span>]] 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' clearly a common name and not problematic like the existing title. What happened in the previous RM is irrelevant to this ongoing RM. [[User:Azuredivay\|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Support''' clearly a common name and not problematic like the existing title. What happened in the previous RM is irrelevant to this ongoing RM. [[User:Azuredivay\|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose'''. My opinions on this have not changed since the last time this was discussed. [[User:Jpgordon\|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon\|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 20:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Azuredivay at 19:22, 27 March 2024

2024-03-27T19:22:57Z

← Previous revision		Revision as of 19:22, 27 March 2024
Line 214:		Line 214:
	*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments here and in the 20203 RM above. The present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments here and in the 20203 RM above. The present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' per evidence I and others presented in the [[#Requested move 5 February 2023\|previous RM]] 13 months ago. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #004705;background:#168c1d;padding:2px;color:#e9ede9;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> '''AjaxSmack''' </span>]] 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per evidence I and others presented in the [[#Requested move 5 February 2023\|previous RM]] 13 months ago. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #004705;background:#168c1d;padding:2px;color:#e9ede9;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> '''AjaxSmack''' </span>]] 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' clearly a common name and not problematic like the existing title. What happened in the previous RM is irrelevant to this ongoing RM. [[User:Azuredivay\|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

AjaxSmack: /* Requested move 19 March 2024 */ oppose

2024-03-25T17:20:51Z

Requested move 19 March 2024: oppose

← Previous revision		Revision as of 17:20, 25 March 2024
Line 213:		Line 213:
	*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments here and in the 20203 RM above. The present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments here and in the 20203 RM above. The present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per evidence I and others presented in the [[#Requested move 5 February 2023\|previous RM]] 13 months ago. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #004705;background:#168c1d;padding:2px;color:#e9ede9;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> '''AjaxSmack''' </span>]] 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Randy Kryn: /* Requested move 19 March 2024 */ add

2024-03-22T09:44:41Z

Requested move 19 March 2024: add

← Previous revision		Revision as of 09:44, 22 March 2024
Line 212:		Line 212:
	*'''Oppose''', not convinced it's the COMMONNAME. And not convinced it's offensive either.--[[User:Ortizesp\|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp\|talk]]) 13:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''', not convinced it's the COMMONNAME. And not convinced it's offensive either.--[[User:Ortizesp\|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp\|talk]]) 13:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments ~~above~~ the present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments here and in the 20203 RM above. The present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Randy Kryn: /* Requested move 19 March 2024 */ comment

2024-03-22T09:39:42Z

Requested move 19 March 2024: comment

← Previous revision		Revision as of 09:39, 22 March 2024
Line 212:		Line 212:
	*'''Oppose''', not convinced it's the COMMONNAME. And not convinced it's offensive either.--[[User:Ortizesp\|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp\|talk]]) 13:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''', not convinced it's the COMMONNAME. And not convinced it's offensive either.--[[User:Ortizesp\|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp\|talk]]) 13:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments above the present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Dympies: /* Requested move 19 March 2024 */

2024-03-22T03:16:29Z

Requested move 19 March 2024

← Previous revision		Revision as of 03:16, 22 March 2024
Line 211:		Line 211:
	::So yeah, definitely support. <small>[[User:Paintspot\|Paintspot Infez]] ([[User talk:Paintspot\|talk]])</small> 02:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)		::So yeah, definitely support. <small>[[User:Paintspot\|Paintspot Infez]] ([[User talk:Paintspot\|talk]])</small> 02:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''', not convinced it's the COMMONNAME. And not convinced it's offensive either.--[[User:Ortizesp\|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp\|talk]]) 13:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''', not convinced it's the COMMONNAME. And not convinced it's offensive either.--[[User:Ortizesp\|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp\|talk]]) 13:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Ortizesp: /* Requested move 19 March 2024 */

2024-03-20T13:01:22Z

Requested move 19 March 2024

← Previous revision		Revision as of 13:01, 20 March 2024
Line 210:		Line 210:
	::...And, there's another point that's VERY apt, by {{Ping\|Jacqke}} "If there is a perception anywhere that Jew's harp is somehow anti-Semitic, '''then that view should be taken seriously'''. I find it believable that pasting ''Jew's'' on an object (that already has connotations of being backward or ''different'') is '''not innocent'''."		::...And, there's another point that's VERY apt, by {{Ping\|Jacqke}} "If there is a perception anywhere that Jew's harp is somehow anti-Semitic, '''then that view should be taken seriously'''. I find it believable that pasting ''Jew's'' on an object (that already has connotations of being backward or ''different'') is '''not innocent'''."
	::So yeah, definitely support. <small>[[User:Paintspot\|Paintspot Infez]] ([[User talk:Paintspot\|talk]])</small> 02:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)		::So yeah, definitely support. <small>[[User:Paintspot\|Paintspot Infez]] ([[User talk:Paintspot\|talk]])</small> 02:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''', not convinced it's the COMMONNAME. And not convinced it's offensive either.--[[User:Ortizesp\|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp\|talk]]) 13:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

← Previous revision		Revision as of 17:21, 29 March 2024
Line 216:		Line 216:
	*'''Support''' clearly a common name and not problematic like the existing title. What happened in the previous RM is irrelevant to this ongoing RM. [[User:Azuredivay\|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Support''' clearly a common name and not problematic like the existing title. What happened in the previous RM is irrelevant to this ongoing RM. [[User:Azuredivay\|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose'''. My opinions on this have not changed since the last time this was discussed. [[User:Jpgordon\|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon\|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 20:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose'''. My opinions on this have not changed since the last time this was discussed. [[User:Jpgordon\|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon\|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 20:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''', per the reasoning in the last RM. ''Jew's harp'' appears to be the common name, and there's no evidence anyone particularly considers it to be offensive.  — [[User:Amakuru\|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru\|talk]]) 17:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

← Previous revision		Revision as of 20:23, 27 March 2024
Line 215:		Line 215:
	*'''Oppose''' per evidence I and others presented in the [[#Requested move 5 February 2023\|previous RM]] 13 months ago. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #004705;background:#168c1d;padding:2px;color:#e9ede9;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> '''AjaxSmack''' </span>]] 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per evidence I and others presented in the [[#Requested move 5 February 2023\|previous RM]] 13 months ago. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #004705;background:#168c1d;padding:2px;color:#e9ede9;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> '''AjaxSmack''' </span>]] 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' clearly a common name and not problematic like the existing title. What happened in the previous RM is irrelevant to this ongoing RM. [[User:Azuredivay\|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Support''' clearly a common name and not problematic like the existing title. What happened in the previous RM is irrelevant to this ongoing RM. [[User:Azuredivay\|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose'''. My opinions on this have not changed since the last time this was discussed. [[User:Jpgordon\|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon\|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 20:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

← Previous revision		Revision as of 19:22, 27 March 2024
Line 214:		Line 214:
	*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments here and in the 20203 RM above. The present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments here and in the 20203 RM above. The present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' per evidence I and others presented in the [[#Requested move 5 February 2023\|previous RM]] 13 months ago. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #004705;background:#168c1d;padding:2px;color:#e9ede9;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> '''AjaxSmack''' </span>]] 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per evidence I and others presented in the [[#Requested move 5 February 2023\|previous RM]] 13 months ago. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #004705;background:#168c1d;padding:2px;color:#e9ede9;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> '''AjaxSmack''' </span>]] 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' clearly a common name and not problematic like the existing title. What happened in the previous RM is irrelevant to this ongoing RM. [[User:Azuredivay\|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

← Previous revision		Revision as of 17:20, 25 March 2024
Line 213:		Line 213:
	*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments here and in the 20203 RM above. The present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments here and in the 20203 RM above. The present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per evidence I and others presented in the [[#Requested move 5 February 2023\|previous RM]] 13 months ago. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #004705;background:#168c1d;padding:2px;color:#e9ede9;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> '''AjaxSmack''' </span>]] 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

← Previous revision		Revision as of 09:44, 22 March 2024
Line 212:		Line 212:
	*'''Oppose''', not convinced it's the COMMONNAME. And not convinced it's offensive either.--[[User:Ortizesp\|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp\|talk]]) 13:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''', not convinced it's the COMMONNAME. And not convinced it's offensive either.--[[User:Ortizesp\|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp\|talk]]) 13:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Support''' Commonly used name and it is not considered offensive by anybody unlike the current article title. [[User:Dympies\|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies\|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments ~~above~~ the present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per the ngrams and other comments here and in the 20203 RM above. The present title appears to be the common and long-term name, and the instrument is only offensive to the ear. [[User:Randy Kryn\|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn\|talk]]) 09:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)