Talk:Upheaval of the Five Barbarians - Revision history

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	I propose we change the title from "invasion and rebellion of the five barbarians" to "upheaval of the five barbarians." The current title is very long and unwieldy. The term "upheaval" also more closely matches the Chinese name for the event. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ratata6789\|Ratata6789]] ([[User talk:Ratata6789#top\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ratata6789\|contribs]]) 17:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->		I propose we change the title from "invasion and rebellion of the five barbarians" to "upheaval of the five barbarians." The current title is very long and unwieldy. The term "upheaval" also more closely matches the Chinese name for the event. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ratata6789\|Ratata6789]] ([[User talk:Ratata6789#top\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ratata6789\|contribs]]) 17:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== This rebellion is not a foreigner invasion of China ==

			To say that these barbarians are foreigners is a completely false statement. Who are Li Te and Liu Yuan who started the rebellion? Li Te was a peasant of the Jin Dynasty, whose ancestors had lived in Sichuan and Gansu for generations, and Liu Yuan was also a native of the Jin Dynasty, and he considered appointing him as the commander-in-chief of the unified war during the reign of Emperor Wu of Jin, and he later returned to Liishi as a general of the Jin Dynasty.

			Before the outbreak of the rebellion, there were already 1 million Xiongnu, 1 million Qiang, 1.5 million Di, and 2.5 million Xianbei living in the territory of the Jin Dynasty. China is a multi-ethnic country, it has been since ancient times, and although the Han are the main ethnic group and the rulers, this does not affect this fact.

			Because of the decline of the Jin Dynasty and some unfair ethnic policies, it led to the emergence of the Five Hu Chaohua. From the establishment of Later Zhao to the Sui Dynasty, the Hu people were the main inhabitants of the north, and later a large number of Hu people changed to Han people, which made the number of Han people become considerable again. A large part of today's Han people are descendants of the Five Great Hu people. [[User:李双能\|李双能]] ([[User talk:李双能\|talk]]) 03:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

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	There is no mention of the 16 kingdoms period in this whole article <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/140.241.0.20\|140.241.0.20]] ([[User talk:140.241.0.20\|talk]]) 15:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->		There is no mention of the 16 kingdoms period in this whole article <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/140.241.0.20\|140.241.0.20]] ([[User talk:140.241.0.20\|talk]]) 15:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			:Ge Jianxiong's "History of Chinese Mouth" pointed out that before the rebellion, there were about 20 million Han people in northern China, and then only a few million remained due to killings, famine, and plague. At that time, the vast majority of the population in the north were barbarians, of which the Xianbei people were the largest, and many of the current Han people are descendants of the Xianbei people. [[User:李双能\|李双能]] ([[User talk:李双能\|talk]]) 03:38, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

	== Title change - Upheaval of the Five Barbarians ==		== Title change - Upheaval of the Five Barbarians ==

Zangxuangao: Zangxuangao moved page Talk:Invasion and rebellion of the Five Barbarians to Talk:Upheaval of the Five Barbarians: Make shorter (WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE)

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	I propose we change the title from "invasion and rebellion of the five barbarians" to "upheaval of the five barbarians." The current title is very long and unwieldy. The term "upheaval" also more closely matches the Chinese name for the event.		I propose we change the title from "invasion and rebellion of the five barbarians" to "upheaval of the five barbarians." The current title is very long and unwieldy. The term "upheaval" also more closely matches the Chinese name for the event. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ratata6789\|Ratata6789]] ([[User talk:Ratata6789#top\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ratata6789\|contribs]]) 17:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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			== Title change - Upheaval of the Five Barbarians ==

			I propose we change the title from "invasion and rebellion of the five barbarians" to "upheaval of the five barbarians." The current title is very long and unwieldy. The term "upheaval" also more closely matches the Chinese name for the event.

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3125A: 3125A moved page Talk:Uprising of the Five Barbarians to Talk:Invasion and rebellion of the Five Barbarians: not consistent with the chinese version: (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%94%E8%83%A1%E4%B9%B1%E5%8D%8E)

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3125A moved page Talk:Uprising of the Five Barbarians to Talk:Invasion and rebellion of the Five Barbarians: not consistent with the chinese version: (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%94%E8%83%A1%E4%B9%B1%E5%8D%8E)

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