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Jelena Gruba (Cyrillic:Јелена Груба) was a Bosnian Queen in 1395-1398. She was the first female ruler of Bosnia. She had only one daughter with her predecessor, King Stefan Dabiša, Stana, who was married to Đurađ Radivojević.

Jelena Gruba was to brought to power by the large Bosnian nobility, the Bosnian Rusag and it is during her reign that the Bosnian nobility grows in power independently from the crown. Amongst them were the famous Dukes Sandalj Hranić and Hrvoje Vukčić and Prince Pavle Radenović that ruled their own demesnes independently from the Queen. The Queen's demesne was a small territory in central Bosnia, while she lost the suzeiranity over the territories of Usora in the valley of the river of Sava.

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Kotromanići by Željko Fajfrić

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Српске династије, Andrija Veselinović and Radoš Ljušić, 2001, Novi Sad

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+'''Jelena Gruba''' ([[Cyrillic]]:''Јелена Груба'') was a [[List of Bosnian rulers|Bosnian Queen]] in [[1395]]-[[1398]]. She was the first female ruler of [[History of Bosnia and Herzegovina|Bosnia]]. She had only one daughter with her predecessor, King [[Stefan Dabiša]], Stana, who was married to [[Đurađ Radivojević]].
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+Jelena Gruba was to brought to power by the large Bosnian nobility, the ''Bosnian Rusag'' and it is during her reign that the Bosnian nobility grows in power independently from the crown. Amongst them were the famous [[Duke]]s [[Sandalj Hranić]] and [[Hrvoje Vukčić]] and [[Prince]] [[Pavle Radenović]] that ruled their own demesnes independently from the Queen. The Queen's demesne was a small territory in central [[Bosnia (region)|Bosnia]], while she lost the suzeiranity over the territories of [[Usora]] in the valley of the river of [[Sava]].
-Neologism. Some are even original research. See Google search for result[http://www.google.com/search?q=%22kuala+lumpurian%22&hl=en&hs=467&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=90&sa=N] . See also [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sentulian]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cherasian]]. '''Delete'''. At best, redirect to [[Kuala Lumpur]]. [[User:Earth|__earth]] <sup>([[User talk:Earth|Talk]])</sup> 13:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Redirect to [[Kuala Lumpur]]'''. --[[User:Nishkid64|<span style="color:red">'''Nish'''</span><span style="color:blue">'''kid'''</span><span style="color:green">'''64'''</span>]] 14:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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-*'''Delete''' - Huh? My first thought was troll/hoax walled garden, but looking through the editor's edit history, I guess there's probably an innocent explanation for all this. Hopefully we'll get to hear what it is. [[User:My Alt Account|My Alt Account]] 14:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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-*'''Inspired from Londoner''' Why inhabitants in London can create [[Londoner]] "'''A Londoner is someone who inhabits or originates from London.''' ", why inhabitants in Kuala Lumpur cannot create a Kuala Lumpurian? If you delete Kuala Lumpurian, then Wikipedia should also delete Londoner, [[Parisian]], [[New Yorker]], etc. [[User:L joo|L joo]] 15:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
+ before=[[Stefan Dabiša]]|
-**[[Londoner]] distinguishes between two cities on two different continents, talks about things such as newspapers that are called ''The Londoner'', and explains that the concepts of "Londoner" and "Person from London" are not necessarily identical.  Can the same be said of "Kuala Lumpurian"?  Or is the concept of a Kuala Lumpurian not at all divorcable from [[Kuala Lumpur]]?<p>Your fallacious "If article X then article Y." argument falls over for [[New Yorker]] and [[Parisian]] for the simple reasons that the former is a disambiguation article and the latter is about a chain of department stores, and not about people from Paris at all. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 18:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
+ title=[[List of rulers of Bosnia|Queen]] of [[Serbs]], [[Bosnia (region)|Bosnia]] and other|
-**Also don't remove AfD notices because you want to hear arguments. The whole purpose of the notice is to have a discussion. --[[User:Wafulz|Wafulz]] 18:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
+ years=[[1395]]&ndash;[[1398]]|
+ after=[[Stefan Ostoja]]|
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+== See also ==
+* [[House of Kotromanić]]
+* [[History of Bosnia and Herzegovina]]
+== External links ==
+* [http://www.rastko.org.yu/istorija/zfajfric-kotromanici.html#_Toc486040901 Kotromanići by Željko Fajfrić]
+== References ==
+* ''Српске династије, Andrija Veselinović and Radoš Ljušić, 2001, Novi Sad''
+[[Category:History of Bosnia and Herzegovina]]
+[[Category:History of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina]]
+[[Category:History of Republika Srpska]]
+[[Category:Serbian monarchs]]
+[[Category:History of the Serbs]]
+[[bs:Jelena Gruba]]