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Just in case you think more should be done, unless I'm mistaken it seems that they were also Special:Contributions/78.147.242.155 and Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:C09E:ED00::/64, both unblocked and with the latter still having some extent live edits at Joseph Klausner ([1]). Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 12:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

• I've indef'ed them, which is about all I can do for the main account, but I will keep an eye on those IPs for a bit as well. Thanks for the heads up. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 12:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Long term barely active admins

Hi Dennis, re a comment you made elsewhere, I would have thought we could get consensus for an additional admin retirement rule "Any admin with fewer than 600 edits or logged actions in the last six years to be desysopped for low activity". Perhaps more diplomatically phrased. ϢereSpielChequers 17:39, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

• The problem is, Arb isn't the place to make the argument. They can't make policy. An RFC would be needed. 600 might be a bit high, however, to gain acceptance. Not a matter of "best" or "correct", it's a matter of "what will get a consensus", and I think 300 is more likely to gain acceptance. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 18:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Agreed it would need an RFC, and there are then two variables, how long a gap does it take to become unfamilar with community norms and how little activity you need to stay in touch. I'm thinking in terms of 100 edits a year and six years, but I'd be the first to concede that not all edits are equal, and someone who has lurked, read the signpost, and who every month closes an AFC and deletes or declines a speedy delation tag is likely more in touch with community norms than someone who does reach the 100 edits a year criteria, but only through the sort of minor typo fixes that I do. So it would be a crude measure, but not an unreasonable one. ϢereSpielChequers 13:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
    • I think that might need to be part of the RFC to gain acceptance. You always have people who don't want any change. But it boils down to: Is it $x edits over the whole 6 year span, or $y edits per year? and of course, then; How many edits? You might have to leave the "how many edits" to the people participating in the RFC to decide. I think you would get more positive results if they can say "yes, but only 100" or "yes but at least 1000", whereas some would say no simply because they didn't like the number. Editors can be funny that way. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 15:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
      • Yes it will be difficult to agree the definition of another arbitrarily set threshold, but I'm pretty sure that most people would prefer such an easily measured test over in depth discussions and analysis of individual admins to see if they are still active and up to speed. Those who support periodic reconfirmation and similar measures are likely to accept that this proposal would retire some longterm inactive admins. As for per year or per six years, I'm going with the latter. I would not argue that someone who takes a year off has lost touch with community norms, and we already have a process for the completely inactive. But after several years of rarely using some tools, yes you get rusty. Six years? I'm open to others who know more about people forgetting skills at particular speeds. ϢereSpielChequers 16:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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	Your work as an admin is not being graded, But it certainly is much appreciated, To know that you see with vision that's clear, A shining light of integrity we tend to hold dear. Thank you for all you do, Dennis! Atsme 💬 📧 22:57, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm one of those that really appreciates a barstar/award, and the kindness and thoughtfulness that goes into the giving. I've stored a copy of your gift in my Ronco Barnstar Vault for safe keeping. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

• AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
• The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Why

[2] This is an open case. who closed it? --Venkat TL (talk) 13:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

• Seraphimblade closed it. [3]. See how it is in the brown box, "hidden archive", that is closed. Once closed by an admin, it is done. You can read the closing, which is recommended for all closings. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 13:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  As far As I can see, I had commented on case header Hemantha. So who among the two needs to get their eyesight checked? Venkat TL (talk) 13:39, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  I stand corrected, and I did correct it. That doesn't excuse you being incivil about it, however. You need to check your attitude. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 13:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  I will take the apology. It was sarcastic, I have struck it. Have a good day. Venkat TL (talk) 13:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  (edit conflict)I haven't looked at one word in that report, so I'm not sure why are you holding me account to someone else's words. I don't follow every report.(to the part you deleted, I had already written it) Btw, you could have just said "I think you messed up. My comment wasn't in my case, it was in a different one." and I would have instantly known what to check, and corrected it. We all make mistakes, after all. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 14:02, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  yes, it took me a while to guess that your word 'incivil' was in reference to my comment above. I removed my previous comment to avoid further confusion. Here at my place, it is common to remark about eyesight, if someone fails to notice despite being asked twice. Both take it in good humour and no one takes an offence. May be due to the culture difference you took it that way. I have struck my phrase. I did not mean it in any disrespectful way. Venkat TL (talk) 14:11, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  Not a problem, I get on edge sometimes too, no harm done. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 14:45, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

New message from Shrike

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment. I have mentioned you in ARCA request Shrike (talk) 19:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I am the user R-41

For some reason I cannot access my old account User:R-41 that I thought I could still be able to use to contact an administrator or something like that, I don't know what the password I used was, thought it was one I have used for years with other things but it is not. I tried the password reset option of I guess seems to be e-mailing me a reset option - but I am not getting that in my e-mail. So I am addressing this as an anon until I can figure out how to sort that out. ... Anyway it has been close to nine years since the block was put in place by you at a time when my mental health was in a very bad state and when I had not received a medication combination to address my mental health disorder. Now I have a proper medication combination.

I was pushy and at times very arrogant and stubborn when I thought what I was doing was the right course of action on editing when other users disagreed, I recognize that collaboration is essential to positive development of articles and not jumping to conclusions because of thinking I may be right. Lastly I know that there are several articles where users nine years ago rightly seriously criticized me for really sloppy work, I know what those articles are and I have an idea of where I was sloppy - I can work to correct this past sloppy work by acknowledging that I did that sloppy work and that it needs to be revised or where necessary opened to discussion. I want to take part in helping to bring content on the topic of histories of Russia and Ukraine and how they are involved in the current Russo-Ukrainian War.--198.2.99.28 (talk) 07:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

• A couple of things to take note of: First, I strongly recommend you do not resume editing. I will do what I can to help you if you really want to, but speaking as a fellow human, and not an admin, I would advise against it. You have some strong emotion going on about the war. Many of us have strong emotion about it for different reasons, and I won't try to pretend to understand yours. And that's ok, I trust your reasons are good. The problem is, this is a recipe for frustration and fighting. There WILL be people on both sides of the war fighting to include information, as well as flat out propaganda and lies, here at Wikipedia. Considering the reasons, I advise against you editing.

I can't unblock and get you back into user:R-41. You can only gain access to that account using your email account you had at that time. I would also note that while I blocked you as a "self-requested block", there was really a lot more going on at the time. In fact, some nastiness had to be oversighted/suppressed. In fact, while my email has a lot of the records, I had to search ANI/AN and wow, there was a lot there. You did find a lot of controversy back then. This is why I'm recommending against you coming back, that other personal information.

While the block was "self-requested", there was enough going on that I think we need more input on how to proceed. You would have to have a new account, and link them, if you can't access R-41. One other admin that was familiar with the case is JzG, and I would ask them to take a look. I would also ask you to be patient as well, since this all started over a decade ago. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 09:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

As per the first statement, do you think it would be possible for me to resume editing but absolutely not on the current highly-complex issue of the Russo-Ukraine War and the frustration and fighting that you say may arise from that. From what you say I see what you are getting at and I agree that I should stay away from that heated topic completely given what you say.

Agree that I need to be patient here and will follow whatever guidance and advice you can give on this. I think that I should not begin editing for a long time before working through familiarizing myself with basic policies on Wikipedia if I could get assistance from a veteran user who could guide me in what I need to look into then there will be a real effort on my part to learn from my mistakes. I have to learn from my mistakes of mishandling disagreements with other users - I need to learn how to address these disagreements responsibly unlike I did especially in 2013.

There are other articles that are at least nowhere as heated now as the Russo-Ukraine War article (that both you and I now agree that I should not edit) that I believe I could eventually constructively add reliably sourced content to after I go through the familiarization of myself with Wikipedia policies again.

Very important point made by you about the nastiness - nastiness is an understatement of my retaliation to the frustration addressed by a user I believe named N-HH at the time with the quality of my posts, I took it personally and in the final days before being blocked I had temper explosions of abusive rages challenged him when he expressed his frustration with me. This was all in 2013 that for me was very tense year in my life of problems in my life outside of stuff here on Wikipedia I permanently alienated four people who had been friends of mine up to then because of my mental health instability reaching the worst it had been in years. I have spent the past ten years getting new medications to deal with these problems along with working with what is called cognitive behavioural therapy to change behaviours and reactions to behavours. Needless to say given the history of what has happened I know that the user N-HH if he still is on Wikipedia and remembers me will have a very negative outlook to see me returning to Wikipedia and for very good reasons and given how severe it got because of my mental state then if I were in his position I would be highly suspicious and wary of the return of this user R-41 given his past behaviour nine years ago. That last point alone could be an argument that things went way too far and that I have worn out any possibility of being able to return by having alienated a major contributing user to Wikipedia that N-HH is. Every concern of this user about my potential behaviour is legitimate unless I can demonstrate I have changed.

It is very possible given my behaviour in the past, that there is not confidence by other users especially other users who engaged with me in that debilitated state to want to open up the doors to a potential return of a situation like that. If they believe that will happen and don’t trust that I have demonstrated an ability to change then I will simply accept not returning to Wikipedia again. I would hope that I can be given a chance done cautiously with me seeking support from other users in familiarizing me with things on Wikipedia again.

What personal information are you referring to? I think I know, I said really abusive stuff to people when I was in a really mentally unstable state. I will admit I have a mental illness and that I get treatment for it. I don't remember the full details of what I said, I know I said outrageous things, if you could provide a gist of how severe they were in terms of effectively making me nullified to be considered able to come back as it seems from what you say that you believe that is the case, I would like to know about this to understand the matter.

Lastly I don't think I can access the R-41 account, I’ve done the thing where an e-mail is sent about the password but I am not getting that e-mail from Wikipedia, so from what you say if I say here and need to create a new account. From what you say I would need to clearly identify that this is a new account that is from the previous R-41 account that I cannot start from because I do not know what the password is for the profile when I thought it was one I regularly use.--198.2.99.28 (talk) 21:50, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I currently post content on history on DeviantArt and on there is a user who I know well who I've asked if he could be a character reference that I have not exhibited rage explosions of anger like what happened in 2013, that I have not been verbally abusive to people on DeviantArt, and that I have not been hostile or combatative with others like I was in 2013.--198.2.99.28 (talk) 22:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

It might be a few days. Dealing with something that might be covid right now. I'm only popping in for some maintenance. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Quick thanks

Hi, I just wanted to say thank you for what I see as your fair, reasoned and even-handed approach to reviewing cases at AE. I'm sure you don't get a whole lot of gratitude or appreciation for the otherwise thankless task of dealing with these sort of flashpoints on Wikipedia, but your approach is certainly appreciated here. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Nobita here

Ok as advised by you I will now restrict my self from caste related article edits. But please can I atleast give my view or opinion at the talk page of them? it might be necessary because some users are still trying to put their Raciest POVs in those articles, at mean time I will also try to contribute in non caste-related articles,Thanks. Nobita456 (talk) 08:18, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I'll let Dennis answer that, but in my opinion absolutely not, Nobita456. Your aggressive debating technique has wasted a lot of other people's time on talkpages. And who exactly are you accusing of racist POV? That's an egregious personal attack if I ever saw one. Bishonen | tålk 08:44, 28 February 2022 (UTC).

Hey Bishonen see the talk page of Bengali Kayastha. Trangabellam and other senior editors advised Ekdalian to not include that Aryan race theory which is nothing but Racism. But still Ekdalian edit warring with other editors and forcing to include it. Further he said he still wants to include Vedic Indo-European Aryan thing in it. is it not Racism? Bishonen it was hard for me to resist my aggressive nature against Ekdalian, but if you see my recent conversations I was extremely polite with other editors. The editors even thanked me many times for my edits. Undoubtedly I will maintain that,Thanks.

(talk page watcher)I took issue with Ekdalian's addition but it is absolutely offensive to claim that they are racist! TrangaBellam (talk) 10:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Even after your and others suggestion and objection he still wanted to add that aryan race theory in that article. I branded Ekdalian raciest not only for this.There are many reasons also please see how Ekdalian judged a scholer by his caste . I saw many editors getting blocked for this offence.Nobita456 (talk) 10:36, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, TrangaBellam. We may agree or disagree on some content! That is obvious in a collective editing platform; but branding me as a racist is complete nonsense. Thanks Bishonen for keeping a watch on these developments! Ekdalian (talk) 10:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Ekdalian stop acting innocent. your comment regarding Tamal Dasgupta is just unacceptable. you are judging a scholer by his caste and surname. Nobita456 (talk) 11:07, 28 February 2022 (UTC)