Talk:Tokyo: Difference between revisions

Tokyo has Significantly Less Info compared to other Major Cities

This article about Tokyo has significantly less text and paragraphs compared to other major cities such as New York City, London and Paris. The Tokyo article has a large table about Municipalities, the Demographics section is 50% empty space (on desktop), and there are 4 tables about climate which make it seem longer than it actually is in terms of wordcount and paragraphs. The NYC article has 600+ references, Tokyo has only 130+ references. Tokyo's History section has 1400+ words while NYC's History section has 3700+ words. So more information should be added to this article. The Municipalities list could be condensed or moved to a separate page. -Artanisen (talk) 16:34, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Not sure I get your point. This has many sub-articles which are linked out to that cover a lot of the details of the various sections. This isn't a competition to the largest page. Maybe the others are actually not as efficiently organised as the Tokyo page? Canterbury Tail talk 22:31, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Those other pages also have many sub-article links. I think there's not enough information on this page in general and there are too many large tables and empty space as mentioned. -Artanisen (talk) 14:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Maybe suggest a few areas that need a bit more information? It will help us. Thank you! JthomasP (talk) 22:22, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Should we mention previous spelling of "Tokio" ?

I noticed that this isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. Up until around 1960, Tokyo was commonly spelled "Tokio" in English (at least, British English) publications.MisterZed (talk) 14:55, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

It has been added to the Etymology section. Please let us know if you have any other suggested changes. Thank you! JthomasP (talk) 20:14, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

I just removed it as it's not supported in any way by references. And in fact there is a reference that states that's not the case, Tokio was a deliberate choice of the English version not some misunderstanding. Canterbury Tail talk 20:18, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Plenty of references, you can find here: https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advanced/category/newspapers?keyword=TOKIO MisterZed (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, there is proof that Tokyo was indeed called Tokio, and references why, which was the pronunciation from the translation from Kanji to Romaji, but such references are not reliable so I have decided to not insert them. JthomasP (talk) 21:59, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the correction! I appreciate it :) JthomasP (talk) 21:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Most populous city

The article says that Tokyo is "the most populous city in the world with a population of over 14 million residents as of 2023". That is misleading though, because those 14 million people do not make it the worlds most populous city. That claim can only be made, if you look at the metropolitan area, which is mentioned in the next sentence: "The Tokyo metropolitan area, which includes Tokyo and nearby prefectures, is the world's most-populous metropolitan area with 40.8 million residents as of 2023.". If the title "most populous city" is just measured by metropolitan area, it does not make sense though to mention the title "most-populous metropolitan area" in the next sentence. So those two sentences should be changed to make it clearer, that Tokyo is the 11th largest city, but the Tokyo metropolitan area is the largest metropolitan area. If you take the metropolitan area as a measure of city size, the problem is, that Yokohama is part of that area. Yokohama itself is a city of 3.8 million people and those people can't be counted both as residents of Yokohama and Tokyo. I have a theory where this mistake came from. The the most populous city in the world article by default sorts the most populous cities by their metro area. If you sort that list by the population of the city proper, you will see that Tokyo will drop to 11th.

There are often heated discussions of the metropolitan area is a part of a city. There are arguments for both sides. Metropolitan areas often technically work as a giant city and the city borders are just political. However a resident of Jersey City would probably shoot you if you told him that Jersey City is a part of New York City. Wikipedia could stay out of that discussion by mentioning both (11th most populous city by city proper and most populous by metropolitan area).

In Tokio the "city" definition is even more complicated, as the districts of Tokyo are also called "cities". For example Shinjuku City, Shibuya City, Minato City and Toshima City. Those districts are in many ways quite autonomous and function like real cities. They even compete against each other. Skyscraperfan (talk) 10:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)