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Isn't it "Guadaloupe"? [[User:Ugen64|ugen64]] 03:44, Feb 25, 2004 (UTC)
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NO, that's the French spelling, these are named in Spanish. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:59, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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== Decisions in progress ==

=== Ongoing discussions ===
*All recipes proposed for deletion should be discussed at [[Talk:List of recipes/Delete]] (see also [[Wikipedia:Mailing lists|Wikien-l]])
*[[Unsolved problems in biology]] See [[Talk:Unsolved problems in biology]]
*[[List of Europeans]] & [[List of EU people]], see [[Talk:List of Europeans]] & [[Talk:List of EU people]]

===March 9===
<small>
( March [[#March_8|'''8''']] | [[#March_10|'''10''']] )
| [[#List of Concentration Camps for Poles|List of Pole Concentration Camps]]
| [[#Stale flames|stale flames]]
| [[#Amerime|Amerime]]
| [[#Theory of conduct|Thry of conduct]]
| [[#Criticisms of Islam|Critic'ms of Islam]]
| [[#Early parser, Early Parser, Early Algorithm Early algorithm|Early parser/algorithm]]
| [[#Neep|neep]]
| [[#Isabeau|Isabeau]]
| [[#infared spectroscopy|IR spectroscopy]]
| [[#Q3Map2|Q3Map2]]
| [[#List of Mumbai PIN|List of Mumbai PIN]]
| [[#Battle of Washita River|Battle of Washita R.]]
| [[#List of people by reported IQ|List of peeps by IQ]]
| [[#Islamic accounting|Islamic accting]]
| [[#Armistice with Austria|Armistice w/Austria]]
| [[#27th Material Squadron|27th Mat. Squad]]
| [[#LingoBank, Lingo Bank, Each one, Eachone|Lingo bank/Each one]]
| [[#Turtles all the way down|Turtles...down]]
| [[#Acklin|acklin]]
| [[#mandrake_(disambiguation)|mandrake disambig]]
| [[#Seven Deadly Sins (board game)|7 Deadly Sins game]]
| [[#Vixx|vixx]]
| [[#Add insult to injury|"add insult to injury"]]
| [[#Myths over the GDR|GDR Myths]]
| [[#List of Södermanland Governors|List of S.land Gov'nors]]
| [[#Södermanland County Administrative Board|S.land County Admin Board]]
| [[#Foreign-born Japanese|"foreign-born Japanese"]]
| [[#Quatrième Internationale Posadiste|Q'eme Int'le Posadiste]]
| [[#Sri Sri|sri sri]]
| [[#Blind transmission|Blind xmission]]
| [[#John Paul Jackson|J.P.Jackson]]
| [[#Cobb Place|Cobb Plc.]]
| [[#Proofread|proofread]]
| [[#Josh Cooper|J.Cooper]]
| </small>

====[[Vixx]]====
*This band apparently has never recorded an album, and has simply played a few small shows in Wisconsin. Google records thousands of hits for the word "vixx", but having sorted through them, I was unable to find one site that mentioned this band. I have to assume it's a vanity page. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 16:15, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Unless there is more information included here, my vote is to delete. Particularly, the as-yet-unreleased album should be purged from the article. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 16:18, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Vanity. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 16:36, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete vanity page. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 19:30, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete: vanity, insignificant. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 06:15, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete - [[User:PilotPrecise|PilotPrecise]] 10:12, 13 March 2004 (UTC)

====[[Add insult to injury]]====

*Delete - dictionary definition - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:19, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Wiktionary material? - [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 16:31, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*It is usual to redirect proverbs to [[List of English proverbs]] (or appropiate language of origin) because there is rarely much to say about them. This isn't really a proverb though... is there a similar appropiate list? Also it may need to be transwikied to wikiquote? [[User:Pcb21|Pete/Pcb21]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|(talk)]] 16:33, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Delete or improve: it is not even definition, or explanation. The article doesn't go beyond rephrasing the expression in 11 times more words (and not necessarily more clear ones than the phrase itself). [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 16:44, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* This should be moved to Wiktionary unless more can be said about it. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] is right; there needs to be more substance to this article if it is to be kept in Wikipedia (e.g. origins, historical usage, etc.)
* More can probably added to make it acceptable. In its current state it is a dicdef, and should be moved or deleted. [[User:Ludraman|Ludraman]] 11:30, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* i added another meaning (an album). [[User:Muriel Gottrop|Muriel]] 08:49, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Is this 'turn of phrase' common everywhere? UK vs. US, etc.? If not, keep or have it redirect to general list. [[User:Zoney|Zoney]] 14:07, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Myths over the GDR]]====
:Discussion at [[Talk:Myths over the GDR]]

====[[List of Södermanland Governors]]====
*This appears to be a legitimate, if unfinished and just about useless page. It doesn't even have a Swedish translation, which is rather embarassing since it's about Sweden. Only one of the links is finished, the one for the most recent governor. I have no idea how big Södermanland county is, but this page is pretty much dead in the water (my apollogies to the Swedes). - [[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 17:08, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**The information isn't useless, but doesn't warrant a separate article. Create stub at [[Södermanland County Administrative Board]] and move content there. And you can read in the [[Södermanland County]] article about how big the county is ;) [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 17:17, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Right you are. I pasted together the Admin. page out of the governors' page (which can be deleted now, I think) and the main page. - [[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 17:24, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****The entry is a list of governors, nothing more nothing less. The article is also properly named as it is <u>nothing more than a list</u> at present. It might be, and maybe ought to be, moved to the ''County Administrative Board'' entry when a proper such entry is in fact created. But if and when it is to be moved, it should be moved in a fashion that preserves the edit history and not by a cut and paste that doesn't even reference the original entry. At present I can only suggest that the current entry at [[Södermanland County Administrative Board]] is deleted. -- [[User:Mic|Mic]] 18:18, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Why was it listed? There's no case made for deletion in terms of [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy]]. Population, just BTW, is 255,890 according to the [[Södermanland County]] article linked to from the page in question. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 19:54, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. It's indeed unfinished, as "Governor" should be wikified to link to [[List_of_County_Governors_of_Sweden]]. As this can be found through the page footer, it's a minor point though. -- User:Docu

====[[Södermanland County Administrative Board]]====
*Stub inproperly created by a cut and paste job from [[List of Södermanland Governors]] where the "List of Södermanland Governors" has been added to "Votes for deletion" (see above). If the entry is to be moved it should be moved in a way where the edit history is preserved. A move should also include a comprehensive sollution for all similar articles. A good place to discuss this is at the talk page of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Swedish counties]]. -- [[User:Mic|Mic]] 18:18, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Agree with all of the above. Actually, is there any reason this couldn't be a speedy delete? [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 20:01, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Are you suggesting that it is a [[Wikipedia:Candidates for speedy deletion|speedy deletion candidate]] under technical reason 2, remerging histories after a cut-and-paste move? - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 20:06, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***I think that case 9, ''Deleting an image which is an exact copy of something else, redundant, and unused'', is a better match. But it's more a matter of commonsense. If this isn't a speedy deletion candidate under current policies, we should change the policies IMO. Perhaps I should have spelled all that out in the first place. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 11:08, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****Case 9 requires that it be: an image, an image which is an exact duplicate of another image and an image which is unused. This isn't an image, so it can't meet those conditions. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 17:56, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Agree. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 20:04, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Foreign-born Japanese]]====
*I'm not sure about this one. Legitimate, yes, but it's only got four people listed, and it doesn't look like it's going to pan out any more. -[[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 17:18, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Wrong :-) [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 20:31, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Valid list, even if short. Possibly move to [[List of foreign-born Japanese people]] [[User:Moink|moink]] 17:22, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Much can be discussed about foreign-born Japanese, things like the acquisition of citizenship. I oppose to the move as well because it is not all about a list. -- [[User:TakuyaMurata|Taku]] 17:40, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. A list of foreign-born Japanese mauled by bears may be next. If people spent all the time creating and improving articles as they do making up these lists...imagine the possibilities. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:19, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** You are probably not aware that Japanese citizenship is probably the most difficult one to acquire for a foreigner, and people who did so are quite remarkable by definition, even not being mauled by bears. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 20:34, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***I have to agree that more people have probably been mauled by bears than foreigners gaining citizenship. However, why does that warrant an article? We don't list those mauled by bears or even struck by lightning. - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 20:41, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***I'm happy to see articles on these people, but we don't need a list. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:44, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. (almost forgot to vote myself) But I don't think it should be renamed to "List of ...". Instead, it should be transformed into an article about gaining the Japanese citizenship. Many of us have heard it is hard, but we don't know how exactly hard. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 21:06, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** See, e.g., [[Britishness test]]. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 21:10, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**But if this was done, it wouldn't really be the same article anymore. It wouldn't be a list of foreign-born Japanese; it'd be an article about the travails of gaining Japanese citizenship (which would be a good article, of course). So isn't that really a vote for "delete"? [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 21:38, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***These persons could be provided as examples. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 21:56, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****Well, I say if you change the title, change the content, and change the whole focus of the article, it ain't the same article you started with. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 00:05, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*** Sir, please be more precise: the article is NOT called "List of...". You are fighting windmills. The title by itself doesn't preclude elaboration, with possible renaming later, when the scope clarifies, as it ofthen happens in Wikipedia. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 01:53, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**keep and dont move. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]
*This VfD debate has some interesting info which isn't in the article. The article should be kept if something could be added outlining why Japanese citizenship for foreigners is exceptional, followed by the list of people. [[User:David Thrale|David Thrale]] 09:07, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*This is much better than the article I found a few days ago. I change my vote to 'keep'. -[[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 21:34, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* keep. [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 11:33, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)

====[[Quatrième Internationale Posadiste]]====
*This page has no working wikilinks and is only linked to by one page. It's about a trotskyist political party, or it would be if it wasn't mostly phantom links. - [[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 17:28, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Run Google search and you will see 8 hits. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 20:11, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Eight hits isn't generally used to convince people not to delete something, although at this point I think the general consensus is 'keep' so I'll be quiet now. -[[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 12:42, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****This idea needs to be debated much further. Even though it is officially denied in Wikipedia, Wikipedians are ''de facto'' using the [[World Wide Web]] in general, and the [[Google]] search in particular, as the only source. This ignores that there is a lot of information on the World Wide Web that doesn't find its way into Google, and more importantly, it ignores the entire world of print sources. And on what basis does having a small number of Google hits mean that something doesn't exist? And what is the threshold? I've seen this threshold fluctuate selectively depending on people's POV of the disputed article's subject. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 18:02, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*****See [[Wikipedia:Google Test]] and its [[Wikipedia talk:Google Test|talk page]]. -- [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 18:10, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Even the world's millions of Trotskyist organizations deserve proper representation here. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:19, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. It's about a Trotskyist international - an international organisation made up of trotskyist parties. The affiliates of this one have yet to be written. I consider these pages to be useful, as a tool for categorisation if nothing else. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 20:22, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Sri Sri]]====
*I have NO idea what to make of this. It's about a poet, it's about two lines long, it turns up 35,000 hits on Google (the topic, not the page) and is linked to something like 75 pages on Wikipedia. The only problem is that 74 of those pages are [[Wikipedia:Orphaned Articles]] and the other one is someone's user name. What am I supposed to /do/ with this? - [[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 17:37, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Looks legitimate, at least. [http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0820223/ IMDb entry], [http://www.idlebrain.com/celeb/bio-data/bio-srisri.html biography]. Apparently decently popular; I suggest un-orphaning it somehow rather than deleting it. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 18:12, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 19:36, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Move to the Telugu poet's full name - ''Srirangam Srinivasa Rao''. Many or most of the google links are not for him, but to a completely different double use of the honorific Sri (e.g. Sri Sri Ravi Sankar) [[User:Imc|Imc]] 21:21, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*** moved and made disambig. [[User:Jay|Jay]] 08:33, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. IT's not useless.
**Keep: significant artist. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 06:18, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Keep; Expanded the article; Influential poet from that part of the globe. [[User:Kaysov|Kesava]] 06:45, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Blind transmission]]====
*This is one extrememly dense quote from some sort of federal regs. page, which is also the only thing linking to it. It even <I>says</I> it's been copied out of that page, so if we delete this we won't lose whatever information is in it. - [[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 17:49, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. [[Federal Standard 1037C]] appears to be an index of [http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/fs-1037/fs-1037c.htm]. The content was copied from the site, not the article. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 17:57, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 19:29, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*** Keep. Changed it a bit. --[[User:Palapala|Palapala]] 21:51, 2004 Mar 9 (UTC)

====[[John Paul Jackson]]====
*Looks like an advert. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 19:09, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Could use some editing (for NPOV among other things) but there is some marginal importance to this guy in terms of the institute he foundee. So keep. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 19:20, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. [[User:Jengod|jengod]] 20:13, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:19, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - "Interpret my dream" indeed - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:46, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Advertising. --[[User:Hcheney|Hcheney]] 03:26, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Strip the Advertising and keep the page [[User:jdriscoll|jdriscoll]] 20:19, 10Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete: advert, vanity. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 16:44, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. might as well fix the page though.
**delete, vanity --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]

====[[Cobb Place]]====
*About some shopping mall...do we really need articles about shopping malls? (Well, I can predict there will now be at least two "keeps".) Also, it's an orphan, because what could possibly link to it? [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] 20:30, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete - advert - reads like a brochure for the mall. Is there a map on the back? - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 20:32, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*<s>Delete. </s> changed my mind.[[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 20:39, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep -- there's one. The last shopping mall vote we had came out pretty solidly in favor of keeping, if I recall correctly. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:44, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Lean towards keep. There are other articles on various malls, so why exclude this one. As for what could link to it, see [[Shopping mall]]. Also, it is more detailed than many other articles.[[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 20:59, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Malls are local landmarks, as per [[Ontario Mills]]. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 21:01, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** ...often used by private pilots. (I could be a troll if I want.) --[[User:Palapala|Palapala]] 22:19, 2004 Mar 9 (UTC)
* Keep. It's not an advert. Mall adverts ''never'' say what stores ''used'' to be there. It looks bad for business. [[User:RadicalBender|RadicalBender]] 21:05, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*I'm neutral, with a slight tilt towards keeping it for the reason Meelar stated. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 21:16, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 21:23, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Unless there's something more interesting than it just being a mall. Who cares what stores came and left a mall? [[User:Yekrats|Yekrats]] 21:26, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. [[shopping_mall]] has a list of malls so the article has potential to not be an orphan. [[User:Richard cocks|Richard cocks]] 02:34, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep -- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 04:54, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Proofread]]====
*This could be salvageable, but it is more of a "how-to" than an encyclopedia article... and it looks suspiciously like a copyvio. [[User:Ugen64|ugen64]] 21:30, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
*Well, it's fixed now... [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 21:53, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep as redirect - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:48, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Josh Cooper]]====
* Vanity page. Might survive if seriously cleaned up. &mdash; [[User:Timwi|Timwi]] 23:40, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. It's not a vanity page. It's a page about a Canadian political candidate. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 23:48, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***<s>A badly written article, so a cleanup matter</s>. I should've re-read it before writing this. The article looks fine now. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 00:06, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep - looks like the recent group of politian additions - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:47, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Valid ency. topic. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 01:32, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)

=== March 10 ===
<small>
( March [[#March_9|'''9''']] | [[#March_11|'''11''']] )
| [[#I come to bring a sword|come to bring sword]]
| [[#Hacker's Manifesto|Hacker's Manif.]]
| [[#Cecily Adams|C.Adams]]
| [[#Church of Neo Cigol|Church of N.Cigol]]
| [[#The Conservative Order|Conserv. Order]]
| [[#Boone spooner|Boone spooner]]
| [[#Muslim Mosque|muslim mosque]]
| [[#Käsecore|käsecore]]
| [[#Override|override]]
| [[#Talk:Open Sores|Open sores (talk)]]
| [[#MMORTS|MMORTS]]
| [[#NOB|NOB]]
| [[#Pearly Kings and Queens|Pearly Ks and Qs]]
| [[#Bung|bung]]
| [[#Terrist|terrist]]
| [[#Lemon party|lemon party!]]
| [[#Engenharia de Software|engenharia de s.]]
| [[#Dichotomy|dichotomy]]
| [[#Images of Athens|Athens images]]
| </small>

====[[I come to bring a sword]]====
*I'm not convinced that an article interpreting a paraphrase of a saying attributed to Jesus in the Book of Matthew, all without a single attributed viewpoint, is a wise addition to Wikipedia. Contains many "facts" (such as this being "the most quoted" phrase, etc. that have no basis. - [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 00:51, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

**Important saying of Christ but the article title is not a quote and even if it were I doubt that this is a good title for an article on, say, different views of this saying, analysis by different POVs, the context of the saying, &c. Delete. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 18:52, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

*I agree that the article in its present version is something other than encyclopedic, but let's try to rehabilitate it before we seriously consider deletion. I can fix it up a little, but I haven't the resources to do the real work. This much I know: There ''is'' an ongoing debate about the passage, and there are undoubtedly sources that could be cited on the various viewpoints described. Someone just has to find them.

*If we keep hitting it and nothing happens, then yes, it should go. But it's too early to decide that. - [[User:Sashal|Sara]] 01:08, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Somehow I don't think a philosophy of "write first, get facts later" will produce anything of value. It certainly hasn't so far. - [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 01:15, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Well said. - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:44, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:44, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Neutral. If kept, move to the most familiar and quoted version, the [[King James Version of the Bible|KJV]] rendition of the Bible title: [[I came not to send peace, but a sword]]. There surely must be somewhere this can be merged to. [[User:Ihcoyc|Smerdis of Tlön]] 16:21, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*I don't believe Wikipedia should contain an exposition of every Bible verse, or even every major bible verse. The current article is biased towards a non-standard interpretation. Most of this stuff is probably better discussed in [[Pacifism]] or [[Christian pacifism]]. No vote yet. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 16:49, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

*Being the central author of the article, I do have an opinion - I agree with some of the criticisms - yes, it is rather poorly titled (as often are the quotations, tranlsations, and transliterations - this was Aramaic to begin with, kids). I do think it has a place here, and would characterise some of the above people as holding the view that Wikipedia be purged by some secular divine right, of all religiously-contextualized works. Take a look at our articles on other religions? There is nothing wrong or NPOV for using [[biblespeak]] in an article about a well-documented term in human culture, as long as its reasonably describes the general context. I might also add that someone with a name like Nuh-uhh, might be [[prejudiced]] toward disagreement rather than consensus. -[[User:Stevertigo|<big>SV]]</big><small>[[User_talk:Stevertigo|(talk)</small>]] 23:28, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**You have no basis for that personal attack. -- [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 23:33, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep: significant. Article needs heavy clean up & reworking, including citations. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 06:35, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep, but rename to a stubby part of a larger article on [[Christian views on war and peace]]. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 07:24, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
**It might be a good solution for now, David, but would that mean that this represents an opjection to passage-specific articles? I understand that we dont want each passage of the bible to be entered into wiki - but maybe it would be a good idea. I dont remember any consensus on that - was one of the original discussions. I wouldnt think it problematic to include only those passages that were interesting - meaning no -database dumps, just hand-input articles for (assumingly) the passages that present the most interest. We have had articles on specific idioms, statements, speeches, etc. Maybe this discussion points to new [[Wikipedia:Policy]] --[[User:Stevertigo|<big>SV]]</big><small>[[User_talk:Stevertigo|(talk)</small>]] 17:18, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Comment on Davodd's proposal above -- I don't recommend merging into a broader topic. I think there can be a solid, well focused article if we stick to that one verse. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:29, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. This is a well-done article, except TITLE. It's important as an explanation of the verse. (See the misconception mentioned on the page). The Bible was one of the first printed books. Why should it be limited here? Plenty of less worthy articles out there folks! [[User:Zoney|Zoney]] 14:14, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

==== [[Hacker's Manifesto]] ====
*I don't know what's this... --[[User:Yacht|Yacht]] 02:28, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
*<strike>Delete. Madness.</strike> Apparently it's famous madness, so wikisource. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 03:47, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. I've seen this before, somewhere on the web -- it's a source document, not (obviously) an encyclopedic article. - [[User:Sashal|Sara]] 04:46, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete; source text. An article ''about'' the Manifesto should be kept. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 19:01, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Wikisource. This piece was written by a "The Mentor" shortly after his arrest nearly 20 years ago. It is translated in dozens of languages. It is history. It deserves an article, with text in wikisource. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 04:49, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. Agree with Mikkalai. --[[User:Palapala|Palapala]] 08:22, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)
* Wikisource. Agree with Mikkalai [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 15:50, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Mikkalai is right - I remember reading this document when it was first published, and thinking to myself that the government was just back up to its old fascist tricks again... (Perhaps a short para could be added to the beginning of this article to provide some background for readers stumbling across it and to prevent recurring trips to VfD.) [[User:Dwindrim|Denni]] 18:01, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)
* Delete. As of the writing of this POV, this is not an article for Wikipedia; it is a source for Wikisource. A copy has been kept on [http://sources.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker%27s_Manifesto Wikisource:Hacker's Manifesto]. --[[User:Maio|Maio]] 02:54, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
* Rewritten into a brief stub, refferring to wikisource. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 21:48, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

*Keep this now. [[User:Mark Richards|Mark Richards]] 15:34, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Cecily Adams]]====
*Famous for being a wife mother and sister? [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:22, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**If she were merely a wife ''or'' a mother ''or'' a sister, she wouldn't be of much interest. But she was all three -- connected to notable people in several directions, as it were -- ''and'' she has a few accomplishments of her own. Any individual aspect of her life is rather minor, but together they add up to something. [[User:Sashal|Sara]] 04:52, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep -- marginally famous by association. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 03:47, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*delete. done little of note herself. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]
*Keep. - [[User:Sashal|Sara]] 04:46, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*<s>Delete. Or add all her children and grandchildren and her dog Wibble and her cat Shanty by the same association. </s>[[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 04:51, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. We have a page on [[Laura Bush]] and [[Chelsea Clinton]]. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 05:33, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Both performed offical state duties in the capacity of First Lady. As such, both are public figures. What did Cecily Adams do? --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 08:13, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Well, Chelsea never had official duties. Nor did [[Buddy (dog)|Buddy]], Clinton's [[labrador retriever]]. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 17:34, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Chelsea acted in her mother's place one or twice. The dog is marginal but certainly is well known. In light of evidence below, I withdraw my vote. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 19:34, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* delete. [[User:David Thrale|David Thrale]] 09:01, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* [http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0010820/] - not a particularly impressive filmography, but one nevertheless. Undecided, probably keep. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 09:07, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. Casting director for a number of network programmes and a small acting resume. Those who are saying she is significant because of her relatives are missing this. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 18:09, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*<strike>Delete. I have one cousin who's an astronaut and another who was once a TV star. My great uncle was a pretty important scientist. Can I have an article? [[User:Moink|moink]] 17:43, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)</strike>. Keep if, as people are saying, she's important in her own right.
*Keep. Adams is known among [[Star Trek]] fans for her portrayal of [[Ishka]], a.k.a. ''Moogie'', [[Quark (Star Trek)|Quark's]] mother, a recurring character on [[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]. She's made a number of appearances on other TV shows as well; I expect actors of a similar calibre have made it to Wikipedia. I think the problem with this article wasn't that Adams wasn't famous so much as that it neglected to mention why she was famous. I've since expanded the article somewhat. [[User:Psychonaut|Psychonaut]] 18:40, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**You convinced me. I withdraw the nomination. :) [[User:RickK|RickK]] 02:37, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. See [[Carolyn Bessette Kennedy]] for a keeper for reasons of association alone. At least Cecily was well-known for some of her own history. Maybe someone should add a picture. - [[User:Bevo|Bevo]] 18:55, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Valid topic: notable actor. Article is unclear; should go to cleanup. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 01:38, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Moogie! Notable enough. [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand Luke]] 03:42, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep the biography of this actor. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 18:05, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Church of Neo Cigol]]====
*No content. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:28, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**"Oliver K. Seet" comes up with one Google hit, to a high school. Apparently a high school student. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:09, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete unless someone can turn up some evidence that it exists. I couldn't, aside from that inactive Yahoo group it's linked to. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 03:47, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. --[[User:Yacht|Yacht]] 04:22, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
*I'm not putting in a vote yet -- looked on the website and it seems to be more of a small private club than a religious organization per se. But I'm withholding judgement until I find out more. [[User:Sashal|Sara]] 04:46, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, vanity. The article states nothing particularly informative about this alleged religion, anyway. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 08:44, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I created the page, I only put it there because one of my friends suggested it, from what I can tell from your comments, it shouldn't be here, so I support your claims for deletion. [[User:Daggath]] 12:03 P.M., 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)



====[[Muslim Mosque]]====
*Content is simply ''A black Muslim group formed by Malcolm X after he left the Nation of Islam'' -- [[User:Khym Chanur|Khym Chanur]] 07:09, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. VfD is not clean up. [[User:Saulisagenius|Saul Taylor]] 07:51, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Seconded. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 18:50, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Please state your reason for deletion when listing an article :-) [[User:Pcb21|Pete/Pcb21]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|(talk)]] 11:58, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Uncertain. Arguably a sub-stub, and therefore deletable. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 10:57, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. I'll wager W1 that this stub gets expanded within 24 hours. [[User:Pcb21|Pete/Pcb21]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|(talk)]] 11:58, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. - [[User:Sashal|Sara]] 17:54, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. But rename to [[Muslim Mosque, Inc.]] See http://foia.fbi.gov/malcolmx.htm
* Keep stub. Historically important in the U.S. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 01:41, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Someone appears not to have done a Google search on "Malcom X" and "Nation of Islam" before listing this here. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 18:08, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Override]]====
*Ancient page, contains two dictionary definitions. -- [[User:J-V Heiskanen|J-V Heiskanen]] 11:50, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* If not expanded, delete. [[User:Ludraman|Ludraman]] 12:04, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Move to Wiktionary. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 19:41, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. I altered the article to be about a notable short film directed by Danny Glover. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 01:28, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
** and I added the [[object oriented programming]] meaning. Keep. [[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:26, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. It's no longer a dictionary definition. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 18:09, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Needed for the telecomms and OOP references. Expand? [[User:Zoney|Zoney]] 02:23, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Due to subsequent overriding edits. -- [[User:Zigger|Zigger]]

====[[Talk:Open Sores]]====
* Defunct talk page - [[User:Nilmerg|Nilmerg]] 13:56, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)



====[[NOB]]====
*Delete - advert - example: "''As NOB Cross Media Facilities, the &#8216;new&#8217; NOB, '''we''' will continue to provide...''" - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 15:12, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 16:28, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Pearly Kings and Queens]]====
*Short, nonsensical, unstructured. Suggest deletion. [[User:Psychonaut|Psychonaut]] 18:28, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - I was going to list it here as well. - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 18:39, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Good topic, now an on-topic stub. Needs a photo! See [[Talk:Pearly Kings and Queens]] for possible name change. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 19:33, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*I'm guessing I arrived on the scene after a rewrite, but it seems sensible, structured, and possibly historically and culturally interesting now. Keep. --[[User:Sethmahoney|Seth Mahoney]] 20:52, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. It's been rewritten and now describes a London tradition. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 18:14, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Very much keep. I meant to create this article myself ages ago. [[User:Mintguy|Mintguy]] [[User talk: Mintguy|(T)]] 03:02, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep: good stub. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] 09:55, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Terrist]]====
*Essentially POV. Straw man. Article by its own admission says that there is no stated ideology "terrist" but fails to really make other claim for significance. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 19:18, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. [[User:Sj|+sj]][[User Talk:Sj|+]] 23:31, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)
*Delete. Invented term. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 02:51, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. What links here and a Google search shows that it's not a term invented here but is in real use. Needs to include examples of terrists and their acts, though. Our description of the point of view held by terrists seems to be NPOV. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 05:40, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** A Google search turns up WP mirrors and misspellings of "terrorist". The what-links-here shows a number of articles in WP, which on closer examination all had the link to [[terrist]] pasted in by an anonymous 142.77.xxx.xxx (the original author of [[terrist]]), except for one change ([[ELF]]) which was due to [[User:Maximus Rex]]. Delete: term not in general circulation. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 06:56, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* I just pasted in the vfd header -- article didn't have one before. Oops! [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 06:59, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Lemon party]]====
*Delete - orphan - advert for a web site? - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 19:25, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*The site is already listed on [[shock site]]. Make a redirect. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 19:29, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*I merged in the one bit of info--agree, redirect. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 06:30, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Engenharia de Software]]====

*Wrong language, should be in pt:... I would move it there, but I am a new user and transwiki seems rather complicated... [[User:Jorge Stolfi|Jorge Stolfi]] 20:46, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**I'd transwiki it, but pt: doesn't seem to have a transwiki log (or atleast a redirect from transwiki), so I don't know where to log this. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 10:17, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Dichotomy]]====
*Dictionary definition which is unlikely to ever be expanded. Should be wiktionaried and deleted. [[User:Stewartadcock|Stewart Adcock]] 22:58, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. unlikely why? it's linked to from many pages. (and no, I'm not just saying this because it's one of the things I [[User:Sj#About_Sj|hate]]) It's a central concept in eastern mysticism and western philosophy, including a long-standing place of honor in the Socratic tradition. move to Cleanup and expand. [[User:Sj|+sj]][[User Talk:Sj|+]] 11:52, 2004 Mar 11 (UTC)
*Delete. Let me propose simple litmus test- if the article looks wrong without "(noun)" and a pronounciation key in front of it, then it's probably a candidate for speedy transwikification. - [[User:DropDeadGorgias|DropDeadGorgias]] [[User_talk:DropDeadGorgias|(talk)]] 23:11, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
*Wiktionary and delete. (We can always move those links across to [[Wiktionary:dichotomy]].) [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 15:36, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Reworked (not by me), still a stub and more work needed but coming along nicely. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 13:32, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Images of Athens]]====

[[User:Optim]] has departed Wikipedia and appears to have taken his photos of Athens with him. This page is now an eyesore and should be deleted. I have many photos of Athens myself, but not ones that could replace Optim's. In any case I don't really approve of "photo album" articles. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 23:54, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. refer to the top of the [[Wikipedia:Village pump|Village pump]]. Those images are on the old servers. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 01:25, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Can we get some more pictures of said city? A lot of work went into this page; it'd be a shame to throw it away. -[[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 14:25, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Someone sometime will restore the images from the old servers. (I hope)[[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] 21:55, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**I have now added ''Note: The photographs in this article are currently not available on Wikipedia. They will reappear sometime in the future.'' to the page. I also added the VFD message (which should always be placed there by the vfd poster!!) [[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] 14:47, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Restore images assuming proper permission was given, meantime be patient. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 23:39, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

=== March 11 ===
<small>
( March [[#March_10|'''10''']] | [[#March_12|'''12''']] )
| [[#Twenteens|twenteens]]
| [[#Eastern Germany|E.Germany]]
| [[#Learning the Cyrillic alphabet|Learning Cyrillic]]
| [[#Faraday Effect|Faraday effect]]
| [[#Dastar|Dastar]]
| [[#Dastar Corp. v. Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp.|Dastar v. Fox]]
| [[#Treasure-trove|treasure-trove]]
| [[#Lockergnome forums|Lockergnome fora]]
| [[#User:John Highway|User:J.Highway]]
| [[#Uncouth|uncouth]]
| [[#42_BELOW|42 Below]]
| [[#Turner Fenton Cross Country Team|T.Fenton X-country Team]]
| [[#Sinukus|sinukus]]
| [[#LVL|LVL]]
| [[#Keiran McKay|K.McKay]]
| [[#VentureLodge|VentureLodge]]
| [[#Stinkoman|Stinkoman]]
| </small>

====[[Twenteens]]====
* Anyone even heard of Neil Ingebrigtsen? and google doesn't have relevant matches for twenteens. Looks like a vanity page.
* Dic def. of a neologism. Delete. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 01:50, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:04, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Looks like someone trying to get their word accepted as a descriptive of some decade in the future. Absolute nonsense: delete [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 16:03, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Eastern Germany]]====
First sight is good, but is just yet another re-statement of opinions of [[User:Nico]] / Expellees agenda. Pattern of developement of many articles about territories near German-Polish-Czech border:
*heavy POVed article with controversial title created
*weeks of disputes, protections, and/or edit wars
*article reaches more NPOV state, consesus
*or - article turned into redirect
*Nico creates new article
Please read articles and history of [[Oder-Neisse line]], [[Expulsion of Germans after World War II]], [[Heimatvertriebene]], [[Federation of Expellees]], [[Expulsion of Germans after World War II]] and many redirects to them before voting.
[[User:81.27.192.19|81.27.192.19]] 00:41, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. The description of the areas involved and the beliefs of those whose view this represents appears to be accurate and appropriate. Their views aren't NPOV, of course, but this description of those views seems to be. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 18:22, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Learning the Cyrillic alphabet]]====
*I'm undecided as to what to do with this page, but it should definitely be deleted from here. Either merge with [[Cyrillic alphabet]] or move to Wikibooks. [[User:Moink|moink]] 01:47, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*move to wikibooks and delete. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]
*move to wikibooks and delete. Doesn't belong here. --[[User:Magicker71|Magicker71]] 17:07, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Del. I knew Cyrillic alphabet before, but after reading this got totally confused. --[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] [[User talk:Humus sapiens | Talk]] 07:10, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Faraday Effect]]====
*Lacks substantial content. Is 4 words enough for an article? - [[User:Mark|Mark]] 01:53, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. It isn't even correct. [[User:Stewartadcock|Stewart Adcock]] 01:57, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep: valid topic. I've replaced the mistaken text with a valid stub. I move for early removal from VfD. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 16:06, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Agree. Should never have been listed, rather sub-stub should have been fixed or listed on [[cleanup]]. BTW, it was more than 4 words (just). [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 20:27, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*** Actually I think it's fine that it was listed here. The article got a lot of attention and now it looks really good. Everybody's happy. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 01:43, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**** It's true that the article was fixed, and that's a good thing but you seem to have missed the point. We should either follow the policies or change them. I'm happy either way, but I'm not happy with what has happened here. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 11:18, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep: Critical link between light and electromagnetism in 19th century. Entry seems correct now. I will be adding more about relevance in radio transmission. Faraday effect modulators used in some scientific instruments.[[User:AJim|AJim]] 16:15, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. AJim is right... --[[User:Palapala|Palapala]] 17:48, 2004 Mar 11 (UTC)
*Keep. It's fine now, though expansion would be good. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 18:23, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Dastar]]====
*Wikipedia is not a [[Punjabi]] to [[English language|English]] dictionary. [[User:Moink|moink]] 01:59, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete unles it is re-written to be about the company in this important [[SCOTUS]] case: [[Dastar Corp. v. Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp.]] -- [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 02:12, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep: interesting, useful. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:14, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Treasure-trove]]====
*Dicdef. [[User:Moink|moink]] 02:05, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep, though it needs significant expansion to cover thehistory o the concept and well known examples. There's plenty of material for this encyclopedia article. Note also that it's linked from the list of encyclopedia topics. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 18:27, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Now a good stub, with a link to the excellent article from a 1911 encyclopedia. Obviously a good topic. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 13:23, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Can be improved upon but good basis for an article. [[User:Zoney|Zoney]] 02:20, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Lockergnome forums]]====
*Vanity. [[User:Moink|moink]] 02:07, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Famous. Move to cleanup for wikif'n, keep. [[User:Sj|+sj]][[User Talk:Sj|+]] 11:43, 2004 Mar 11 (UTC)
*Seems famous enough, but the article is an advertisement. Cleanup. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 11:54, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep and expand. This is a famous place. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 18:28, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

==== [[User:John Highway]] ====
* I'm not so much agitating deletion here as wondering what the policy is. This was created in November as [[John Highway]], a vanity page, by this user. It was going to be deleted a couple of weeks ago, but I moved it to the user namespace instead. The user has made ''no'' other contributions, and I tried to contact them (user talk and "email this user") to no avail. In the user namespace, it's ''still'' a vanity page. Do we allow this sort of thing? Or do we say that [[Wikipedia is not]] a homepage? Or does it really matter? -- [[User:Toby Bartels|Toby Bartels]] 02:21, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** No vote. For WP policies on acceptable user page content, refer to : [[Wikipedia:User page]] -- [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 02:24, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
** No vote. Thanks for the link, but that actually doesn't address the matter. The proposal for deletion there is only about requests to delete one's ''own'' pages (on [[Wikipedia:Speedy deletions]]). And there is nothing there about fake users (as John Highway seems to be). I suspect that this has come up before, but I don't know; I'm mostly interested in putting right something that I interfered in, rather than pushing some particular outcome. -- [[User:Toby Bartels|Toby Bartels]] 02:33, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*I would say keep as long as he's a registered user. I deleted the trailing redirects from the main namespace. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 21:13, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. High time to think about idle time expiration policy for user accounts. I bet there are hundreds of them as of now. I can recall at least six met during my edits. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 22:08, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Delete. In the absence of a policy, decide cases on their merits. This case has no merits. The only edit he has ever made is this page, which isn't a contribution. But, I would be wary of any suggestion that we delete the accounts or user pages of contributors just because they have disappeared, no matter how long they have been MIA. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 12:21, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Blank. I would say that, if he comes back to be a user, this would make it easy for him to revert his own user page and have it up -- it's a perfectly acceptable page if you're going to edit here. But if we leave it up intact, then he gets us freely hosting what ends up an advertisement for him (as it gets indexed by search engines, etc.). If he contributed here, I'd say he earned that right, but as long as this remains his only contribution here, I'd suggest blanking. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 21:07, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Agree with blanking. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 01:08, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

====[[Uncouth]]====
*Dicdef. [[User:Moink|moink]] 02:47, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Yep. Del. [[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] 14:52, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[42_BELOW]]====
*Advertising [[User:Richard cocks|Richard cocks]] 03:23, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. List on cleanup. Notable brands are valid WP topics: [[Snickers]], [[Big Mac]]. -- [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 03:29, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. List on cleanup. Small but growing company that is apparently popular with celebrities (which may mean it turns out to be a fad). [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 03:41, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep, and move to cleanup. --[[User:Merovingian|Monsieur Mero]] 04:09, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. [[User:Moriori|Moriori]] 07:48, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep, good topic, good stub and sounds like good vodka... although I'm not convinced that good vodka ''has'' a taste, (;-> as the article clearly implies. I've added stub and vfd warnings, but I hope this could be delisted quickly. Looks like consensus to me. How about it, Richard? The page is far too long! [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 12:36, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Turner Fenton Cross Country Team]]====
* Wikipedia is not a newspaper. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:43, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** [[Wiki is not paper]]. It's been merged with its parent. Plus 11 straight championships isn't childs play, really, and its not news. The article merely commented on the most recent win in the dynasty. -- [[user:zanimum]]

====[[Sinukus]]====
Self-promotional orphan? [[User:Pdxgoat|Pdxgoat]] 08:41, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* 429 google hits for Sinukus, probably not enough for inclusion, but this could just be moved to cleanup insted, whether the person warrants inclusion [[User:Richard cocks|Richard cocks]] 08:56, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*delete, self-promo --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]
*delete: personal promotion. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:39, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Keiran McKay]]====
*google gets only two hits [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Keiran+McKay%22 here]. --[[User:Yacht|Yacht]] 08:39, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*Not significant enough on his own. Perhaps merge with the caving school linked to in the page. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 13:37, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*delete, vanity. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 21:05, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete: nobody in particular. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 07:15, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Comment: I wonder whether we may soon be dealing with articles for the entire faculty of [[Auckland Grammar School]]? [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 12:26, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[VentureLodge]]====
*Well, not much to say, [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Venture+Lodge%22 152 google hits]. --[[User:Yacht|Yacht]] 08:50, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
* The same user created [[VentureLodge]], [[Lisa Ross]] (already deleted) and [[Keiran McKay]], given the relativly low profile all of these things I'd say they weren't encyclopedia worthy.
*Keep. Of regional interest; sounds like something useful to know if planning a visit in the area.[[User:Doovinator|Doovinator]] 13:15, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*delete. non-notable.--[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 21:04, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 21:28, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete: not notable. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 07:14, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete -- Doovinator is right, but that only makes it a suitable article for [[Wikitravel]], not Wikipedia. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 20:58, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Sic!]]====
*Might be a redirect to [[Sic]], but I do not think the ''!'' deserves it. [[User:Pfortuny|Pfortuny]] 13:11, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Well, actually the expression used in books etc. is sic!, so I looked for sic! on wikipedia, didn't find it and somewhat translated the stuff from the german version (you can find 'sic!' there)
*Keep, but wikify and move to [[Sic]] (which is a redirect to [[SIC]] right now). Good information, more than what is on the disam page for [[SIC]]. I've never seen it used with the ! though, so I think [[Sic]] is a better home for it. [[Sic!]] can just redirect to it. &mdash;[[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] 18:07, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
**Yes, it should be deleted, as it's based on a misunderstanding of what is and isn't the standard use of the term. ''Rarely'' found with an exclamation mark in my experience. [[User:Deb|Deb]] 18:12, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***But what's wrong with just redirecting to [[Sic]], the more common use of the term? &mdash;[[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] 18:24, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
* Delete I don't think it's a good idea to have essentially the same definition in at least three different locations: [[SIC]], [[List of Latin phrases#S]] and this page. It is nice to have some illustrations of usage, but that is more of a Wiktionary entry than encyclopedic. If anything this page should redirect to the list of Latin phrases. [[User:Bkonrad|Bkonrad]] 18:27, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Redirect [[List of Latin phrases#S]]. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 01:08, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

====[[Notorious juicer]]====
*Vanity. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 13:16, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**It helps if you add the <nowiki>{{subst:vfd}}</nowiki> tag to the article so that users know it's been listed: I just added the tag and listed the page again at the bottom of here, and only then saw that you'd already listed it. Anyway delete, they're nonfamous and they get no google hits. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 15:47, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Sorry, I forgot to do that. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 16:46, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Zero Google hits. &mdash;[[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] 18:28, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete--no google, no UBL, no Rolling Stone, no fame.

====[[Freenet Help Site]]====
* Huh? [[User:CrapBeater]] made it. -- [[user:zanimum]]
** It just moved, was FreeNet, not Freenet.

====[[Millcreek]]====
Article made by vandal/troll user [[User:Henry Cheney|Henry Cheney]]. I was able to find the school existed, but no other information was available. --[[User:Hcheney|Hcheney]] 15:51, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep, list on cleanup. Irrespective of who created it the school exists. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 16:07, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Haven't we decided we don't want to create articles on every little obscure school in the world? It exists, perhaps, but if it's not famous, I vote to the delete the bugger. &mdash;[[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] 18:30, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 18:50, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 21:28, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete [[User:Stewartadcock|Stewart Adcock]] 23:44, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep as disambig page (or as redir to disambig page [[Mill Creek]]). ''Millcreek'' gets almost 200,000 hits, and ''"Mill Creek"'' gets almost 600,000. It's the name of a city in Washington State, among other things. Neutral on whether this particular school should appear on such a page. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 01:04, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Why Cows Moo]] (book)====
Could not independently verify if this book was ever published. There is also a 1998 book ''Why Cows Moo'' by Catherine Ripley and Scot Ritchie, which does not appear to be particularly notable. --[[User:Hcheney|Hcheney]] 16:15, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
:It exists, but I think we need the information in the article to be verified as the edition I found was printed by a different comapny, with no date and a different number of pages. The person who wrote the article is still an active wikipedian so it's probably worth dropping them a note on their user page. --[[User:Imran|Imran]] 17:03, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Michael Jeffrey]]====

A one-line reference to a character in a movie. Linked to by only two pages: [[1973 in music]] and [[Governors of Western Australia ]]. -[[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 16:54, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

*Keep. Now a disambig page. A very common mispelling of the name of [[Michael Jeffery]], a Google search finds it in more Australian Government sites than get it right! But there seem to be several others who may eventually get articles (my list is not complete) who really ''do'' have this name. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 19:48, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Much better. I think we can keep this now. -[[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 21:26, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Marc Perkins]]====

A orphan vanity page about a 16-year old. -- [[User:Seth Ilys|Seth Ilys]] 17:15, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Nothing but vanity.[[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 17:30, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Don't delete. He's a legendary wrestler in Connecticut, but as it is high school wrestling, you probably wouldn't know about him unless you live within the state.
**The one google news story that mentions him states ''Marc Perkins, who was 1-2 at 130''. Does that mean he lost twice?[[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 18:26, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep and wifiky. Alleges colorable basis for inclusion. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 18:58, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete - vanity - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 18:00, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. vanity page.
*Keep. With a record like that, he must be locally famous, assuming it's true. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 21:28, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Google on ''"Marc Perkins" wrestling'' gets five hits, not very "legendary." [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 22:14, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete unless verified/sourced. No hits for ''"Outstanding Wrestler Award" "marc perkins"'', nor ''"Jim Bean Service Award"''. And "legendary" when born in 1988? [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 00:53, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Vanity. [[User:RickK|RickK]] | [[User talk:RickK|Talk]] 03:04, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete: vanity. Is it my imagination or do we get a lot of biographical articles about people born in the eighties? [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 07:07, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Archaeology of the Americas]]====
*Borderline speedy deletion, just a list of links. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] | [[User talk:Francs2000|Talk]] 20:49, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Redir to Archeology of the Americas (possibly merge). [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 00:47, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**I have merged and redirected, wasn't aware of the other article at different spelling [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] | [[User talk:Francs2000|Talk]] 13:26, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Basha]] and [[Bashadeelio]]====
*Delete - These seem like a vendetta against [[Italian Somaliland]]. References to defecating, masturbating, felatio, filthy, degenerate and being kicked for annoying other gods. All this and it says it is an Ashanti royal name derived from all that. Can anyone substantiate this questionable fairy tale? - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 21:06, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**What a horrible piece of trash. Delete. -[[User:Litefantastic|Litefantastic]] 21:29, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Speedy delete, undelete if substantiated, which I'm guessing is unlikely. Needs NPOVing even if substantiated, which is one reason I'm guessing it is pure trash. And I note that the original author has now blanked [[Basha]]. If substantiated and kept, [[Bashadeelio]] should become a redirect. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 23:59, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Yeah to the above. Delete, although I'm not usre it's necessarily speedy delete. [[User:Ugen64|ugen64]] 00:47, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
****It would only be a [[speedy delete]] if it's judged to be [[patent nonsense]], and I think there's a case for this but not such a strong one as to list it myself. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 12:02, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Note also that [[Italian Somaliland]] is nonsense of a similar sort. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 02:59, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)



====[[Jonathan Zittrain]]====

*Appears nonfamous -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] | [[User talk:Francs2000|Talk]] 22:02, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Probably keep. Yahoo has 18,000 hits for "Jonathan Zittrain", and over 100,000 for the "Berkman Center". [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 00:44, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Just barely important enough. [[User:Moink|moink]] 01:29, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. [[User:Sj|+sj]][[User Talk:Sj|+]] 14:46, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC)

====[[Breaking up]]====
*Very POV and I don't think it can be cleaned up. [[User:Moink|moink]] 22:27, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**<s> Moink meant POV probably. [[User:Jay|Jay]] 08:33, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)</s>
***Thanks. That's what I get for editing without enough sleep. [[User:Moink|moink]] 17:45, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Delete. [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] 00:26, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete or send to wikitonary. [[User:Saulisagenius|Saul Taylor]] 05:17, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Delete. The article doesn't even define the concept, for those (whoever they may be) who are unfamiliar with it. I think a psychological impacts/reasons for breaking up might be an interesting article, though. Perhaps the author has some ambition? -- [[User:Matty j|Matty j]] 05:59, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. But radically edit. As it stands the article is POV and does not provide valuable information. Obviously, start with ''what'' "breaking up" is. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 14:34, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Blueball]]====
*Made up? No google hits. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] | [[User talk:Francs2000|Talk]] 22:59, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. At the very least a popular myth/rumor. someone should do some research and expand the stub.
**No vote. Not made up. Should probably be [[blue balls]] if it gets kept. Whether or not an article on this phenomenon can be more than a slang definition is another question.[[User:Moink|moink]] 01:28, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**<strike>Neutral</strike>. <u>Wiktionary as "Blue balls" and delete this, unless someone adds a link to documentation/research that includes things like a medical term for it, how long does a guy have to be aroused without relief before it happens, how often does it happen, and generally provides enuf info that it could become a decent article</u>? Not made-up, just misspelled. As mentioned above, the content, if kept, should be at [[blue balls]]. A commonly used term (at least here in the US--dunno about other English-speaking countries), but as far as I know, little backed by science. If a "blue balls" article is created, this should probably redir to it (especially in case this phrasing is used in other countries for the same concept), so we don't go thru this again. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 00:37, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Only 135,000 hits, and, so far, most aren't related to this topic, but music, drinks, etc. Of the hits on the first 4 pages I looked at, only 10-15 related to this context, and most were fairly anecdotal, rather than medical/scientific. Page 3 had the first hit that seemed authoratative (from the Discovery Channel[http://health.discovery.com/centers/sex/sexpedia/blueballs.html], and it's not very specific either--not one of their better articles. This one also seems more authoratative than most, but mostly just confirms the Discovery info.[http://www.scarleteen.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/000064.html] (search for hanne). Also, the fact that men regularly have sleeptime erections that can last hours makes it seem like this condition is probably fairly rare. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 20:37, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)</u>
** Keep. Real, well documented, significant to the afflicted, reference at [[Talk:Blueball]]. Send to [[Cleanup]] --[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]][[User talk:Jerzy|(t)]] 01:25, 2004 Mar 12 (UTC)
** Keep. Wrong name but real subject. -- [[User:Matty j|Matty j]] 05:55, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Add to list of sexology topics and rewrite. [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 11:21, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Agree with rename and redirect. Important amd neglected topic of men's health. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 11:41, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep as disambig. I created a new [[Blue balls]] article. There is no "offical name" for it; it is a form of "pelvic congestion," but not the only one. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 05:59, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

====[[Luis oliver]]====
*Nothing in the article indicates that he's at all significant. Orphan. [[User:Moink|moink]] 23:24, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Probably keep, if improved. This guy may not be notable, but there have been at least two politicians with that first and last name--maybe a disambig page? [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 00:20, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. --[[User:Imran|Imran]] 15:57, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, unless someone can suggest anything significant this person has achieved. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 18:07, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete: nobody in particular. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:42, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

=== March 12 ===
====[[Kosova]]====
Dictionary entry and could never become more then one. All of its contents already exists in [[Kosovo and Metohia]]. Not even needed as a redirect as it is not a word of English language. [[User:Nikola Smolenski|Nikola]] 09:01, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. The article covers the ''political'' context of the use of the name "Kosova", so it is not just a dictionary definition. It already links through to the article on [[Kosovo and Metohia]]. Also, voters should be aware that Nikola does not like using Albanian alternative placenames, for apparently nationalist reasons, and has systematically removed from them from Kosovo-related articles; this proposal for deletion should be considered in that light. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 10:43, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* <!--Oppose-->Keep, for the same reasons as ChrisO. [[User:Ambivalenthysteria|Ambivalenthysteria]] 10:58, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. In view of the controversy, it would be extremely POV to delete the Albanian spelling completely. The matter of removing the duplicated text (and it is) and/or of making it a redirect is not a VfD issue. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 11:55, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Delete, propaganda. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:15, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep, valid article, context explained reasonably well. [[User:Zoney|Zoney]] 02:16, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. Agree with ChrisO. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 12:35, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep, valid entry. perhaps merge with Kosovo and Metohia and redirect. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 22:09, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Nosemania]]====
Idiosyncratic and nonsensical twaddle. --[[User:67.71.77.190|67.71.77.190]] 00:16, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

* Delete. It appears to be real, but of no real significance. -- [[User:Seth Ilys|Seth Ilys]] 00:19, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Bunk. [[User:Moink|moink]] 01:26, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. The [http://home.mem.net/~dudenose/nosemania/nosemania.html "homepage of Nosemania"] is hosted on a free server and hasn't been updated since 1997. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 02:18, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* [Delete]. Adds nothing to the knowledge of mankinds. [[User:David Thrale|David Thrale]] 10:18, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Neganose....er, I mean, delete. ;-) [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 20:52, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Choc pértolier]]====
The entire article consists of the fact that a particular professor has no comment on the oil crisis. (I translated into English this French-language silliness. Waste of my time...) -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] 06:20, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
:Delete, seems to be pretty useless information -- [[User:Chris 73|chris_73]] 08:04, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Very odd. Delete. [[User:RickK|RickK]] | [[User talk:RickK|Talk]] 16:10, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Gunter Dueck]]====

* Delete; appears to be vanity. - [[User:Seth Ilys|Seth Ilys]] 15:22, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, vanity. --[[User:Merovingian|Monsieur Mero]] 17:59, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
* Delete, this version was translated from an original German version that seemed to be a violation of copyrights. I have provided a more neutral German version but I will not keep any foreign language versions up-to-date. --[[User:80.128.69.194|80.128.69.194]] 20:19, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Katie Goodfellow]]====

* Delete; appears to be a vanity page. -- [[User:Seth Ilys|Seth Ilys]] 15:52, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, vanity. [[User:RickK|RickK]] | [[User talk:RickK|Talk]] 16:09, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, vanity. --[[User:Magicker71|Magicker71]] 17:09, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, vanity. --[[User:Merovingian|Monsieur Mero]] 17:59, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Not significant. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 18:09, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Wikipedia should cover information you can't easily find elsewhere. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:15, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, culturally insignificant to date. Fails Google test.[[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 02:22, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Just noticed she's from Brampton, like Nick Moreau, and seems even less famous. Both added by the same new user. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 03:08, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**PS Probably just semantics, but can a high school kid really use "grew up in" past tense? In my mind, she's "growing up in" Brampton

====[[Nick Moreau]]====

* Delelte; another teenager's vanity page. -- [[User:Seth Ilys|Seth Ilys]] 16:04, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, vanity. [[User:RickK|RickK]] | [[User talk:RickK|Talk]] 16:05, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, vanity. --[[User:Merovingian|Monsieur Mero]] 17:59, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, not significant. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 18:10, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Having a page because you contribute online reviews of children's television programming is like any of us having a page for contributing here. -- [[User:Matty j|Matty j]] 20:08, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:15, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Probably delete (at least unless all claims are validated). Was going to say keep, but searching coca-cola.com and bramptonguardian.com doesn't find anything, and only 37 hits as "Nick Moreau", and 101 as "Nicholas Moreau". Only 13 articles at suite101.com, mostly last summer--only one this year. And if his spelling, etc. don't improve, not likely to become a prolific professional author. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 21:13, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Move to [[User:Zanimum]] - [http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/16645/100536/901184] - and delete. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 02:26, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

====[[Race (historical definitions)]]====

*Delete: literally a dicdef!! --[[User:Merovingian|Monsieur Mero]] 17:03, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete, move to wikidictionary --[[User:Magicker71|Magicker71]] 17:10, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep and expand unless there is another similar page. Of serious interest to historians, philosophers, sociologists, etc. --[[User:Sethmahoney|Seth Mahoney]] 17:45, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**That's what [[race]] is for. --[[User:Merovingian|Monsieur Mero]] 17:46, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
**Move the bit of new info to the [[race]] page History section, and delete this. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 20:50, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*delete/move. salvage anything encyclopedic to [[race]]. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 02:31, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. It is essential for the integrity of the [[race]] article. (Originally, the [[race]] article had an external link to the historical definition, but that link died. The simplest was to transcribe it. True, it could be made into an appendix of [[Race]] but what is the harm in having a separate entry?
Other historical definitions would be useful. If anyone can find an early definition of '''razza''' in Italian, that would be particularly useful.[[User:Peak|Peak]] 07:15, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Why not link to the Wiktionary article then? That's what wiktionary is for... --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]

====[[Wikipedia:Unusual requests]]====

Created by me in a probably-misguided effort to poke fun at the strange requests we see on the [[Wikipedia:Village pump|pump]]. Might be amusing, but in retrospect is kinda mean. -- [[User:Wapcaplet|Wapcaplet]] 18:19, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. It might discourage people from ever becoming contributors. [[User:Moink|moink]] 18:33, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Perhaps all requests can be seen as "unusual". --[[User:Merovingian|Monsieur Mero]] 18:36, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:19, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. But it would have been fun. :) - [[User:Fennec|Fennec]] 20:44, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*No vote, but it could find a home in metawiki... [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 02:35, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep, but only link to it from BJAODN, not from VP.... on second thought, move it to meta. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] | [[User talk:Dante Alighieri|Talk]] 02:52, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep it somewhere, don't mind where. [[User:Saulisagenius|Saul Taylor]] 05:25, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. These are all in the history and possibly in archives anyway. Interesting and with a little work could become most instructive. I'd encourage those worried about it to [[be bold]] and try some rephrasing. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 10:56, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. I'd suggest linking to it as "examples of questions that shouldn't be asked on Wikipedia" or something like that. And as Andrewa says, it's all on the record anyway. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 11:15, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Jeff Veasey]]====
Not important. [[User:Perl|Perl]] 19:48, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Not notable. [[User:Moink|moink]] 20:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Important site, so important person. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:19, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**If there are no more details to add than that, delete and merge with the page for the website. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 21:18, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. [[User:Richard cocks|Richard cocks]] 20:24, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete: not notable. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:10, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Redirect. [[User:RickK|RickK]] | [[User talk:RickK|Talk]] 22:07, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[2007 in music]]====
*Wikipedia is not a psychic. [[User:Moink|moink]] 20:01, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:19, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 20:42, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. The year 2007 is almost certainly going to come, and there will almost certainly be music then. We will just have to undelete at that time. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 20:56, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. It looks like its just a template currently containing events planned for 2007, though if someone wants to they might want to verify whether or not those events are real... --[[User:Sethmahoney|Seth Mahoney]] 00:39, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* How about [[2007 in film]] ? Do the same rules apply ? [[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:37, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[EotE2004]]====
Source material, rules for a wargame, perhaps a copyvio. ([[User:Ihcoyc|Smerdis of Tlön]] 20:42, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC))
*Delete. [[User:Richard cocks|Richard cocks]] 20:46, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 21:03, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Ugh. Delete. [[User:RickK|RickK]] | [[User talk:RickK|Talk]] 22:03, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Jeffrey de Fourestier]] and [[De Fourestier, Jeffrey]] redirect page ====
Vanity page. Adding himself to [[List of historians]], [[List of Germans]], [[List of lexicographers]], [[Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact]], and other lists. Google shows very limited number of non-self-generated hits. [[User:Vidocq|Vidocq]] 21:05, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Blimey, he claims his Master's Thesis is the best ever work on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That's some ego he has there. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 21:20, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Having had a look at some of the links - well, the things he claimed he was involved in appear to exist, but I haven't found any mention of him on their websites. Delete. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 22:05, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete &#8211; vanity --[[User:Merovingian|Monsieur Mero]] 00:18, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep, and impressively well done, I might ad! [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade]] 05:54, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Elaborate vanity. [[User:Moink|moink]] 06:08, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Comment: I'm attempting to email him. The best solution IMO would be for him to register, move this to his user page, and contribute. That's assuming it is [[Wikipedia:autobiography|autobiography]], which seems likely. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 10:39, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete: give it the special "vanity of vanities" award, then delete. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:47, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**PS: and then someone should clean up the links that he's littered around WP. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:48, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*The vest damn vanity page we've ever had. Delete. [[User:RickK|RickK]] | [[User talk:RickK|Talk]] 21:50, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Only]]====
*Dictionary definition, though not much at that either. It also has a [[Talk:Only|talk]] page. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 21:52, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. -- [[User:Zigger|Zigger]] 02:34, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC)
*Keep: I expanded it with usage notes. [[User:Ihcoyc|Smerdis of Tlön]] 03:10, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Wiktionary! A lovely expansion, S of T; it deserves a place of honor in the wiktionary pantheon. [[User:Sj|+sj]][[User Talk:Sj|+]] 14:49, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC)

====[[Clothespin]]====
*Dicdef. [[User:Moink|moink]] 21:47, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. Not discdef. It describes a ''device'', not a word usage. Although the article could be better. There are as many different clothespins as [[mousetrap]]s. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 23:37, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Expanded, keep. Perhaps should move to "Clothes peg" or something as this (to me) is much more common usage. [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 00:01, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. It's coming along nicely and could be fairly interesting. (Maybe I should go buy some clothespins, wooden matches, and sandpaper, and see if I can remember how to build a fire-throwing pistol--it's been probably 10 years. :) ) As for the name, I don't know if it's regional diffs, or at the national level, but I've only heard clothespins--except possibly the pegs version once or twice in some old movie or book (I've spent all my life on the West Coast of the US, BTW). Also clothespin gets about 50,000 hits, "clothes peg" about 9,000. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 01:30, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep now that it has been expanded. [[User:RedWolf|RedWolf]] 06:08, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Good topic, and now good article. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 10:46, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 18:43, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Stinkoman]]====
* This information is covered in [[Homestar Runner characters]] and does not warrant its own article. Delete. -- [[User:Matthew McVickar|Matthew McVickar]] 03:55, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
** I have set up a redirect instead. I don't favor the redirect, but I will let debate continue. -- [[User:Matthew McVickar|Matthew McVickar]] 03:55, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
***Keep redirect. Can't hurt. [[User:Saulisagenius|Saul Taylor]] 05:13, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

=== March 13 ===



====[[Drummer joke]]====
I see no merit to this. Maybe if it were funny. Vote for deletion. [[User:Heidimo|heidimo ]] 02:55, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep, well known genre of humour. [[User:Saulisagenius|Saul Taylor]] 05:11, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Merge into a bigger article of humor series: blondes, lawyers, sex, etc. --[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] [[User talk:Humus sapiens | Talk]] 07:01, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep or merge. We have [[Lightbulb joke]], why not this? It is a well-established joke form. I wouldn't object to merging it into the [[joke]] article, although that is getting unwieldy already. [[User:Lupin|Lupin]] 11:51, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[MediaWiki:Religiousfigures]]====
*This table is POV and wrong. It does not list all the relgious dieties in the world and offensively lists some non-dieties as "religious dieties". The items in the list do not constitute a series and I don't see the close relation among these figures to warrant categorization into such a table. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 02:53, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep (with some tweaks). My first reaction was that it was a good list of "Top (however many) most discussed religious and spiritual beings" or something like that, but then I noticed David and Abraham--but changing the end to beings and human beings seems a little silly. Anyway, point is I agree the terminology could be improved, but I think it's a reasonable series, useful especially doing comparative 'spirituality system' work, so it should just be cleaned up. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 03:30, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**PS I think (and personifications) makes it clear that they aren't all being claimed to be religious, nor deities.
**do you plan to list every holy man and god of every single religon in the world? If we do, the table will be longer than any article. If we don't, we exhibit a bias towards religions that send missionaries and colonize. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 04:05, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Strong Delete. 1.Unmanagable 2. Tinder for future flame wars. 3. List order is Western/Christian POV biased. 4. Factually moot. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 04:00, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
** Won't [[MediaWiki:Cults]] come in the same controversial category. [[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:37, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. [1] the idea that Muhammad is a "Religious Deity or Personification" is offensive to Muslims, and is wrong. [2] such tabular menus seem to add little to articles, and impose a non-neutral point of view about the relationship of articles. Sometimes they overwhelm the article they are added to (in terms of size and screen-space) [3] the person who creates such tables should not protect them. - [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 04:20, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. [[User:Richard cocks|Richard cocks]] 05:49, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Args omitted to avoid a religious war. --[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] [[User talk:Humus sapiens | Talk]] 06:58, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete with extreme prejudice. Impossible to maintain without POV. [[User:RickK|RickK]] | [[User talk:RickK|Talk]] 21:48, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee]]====

''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee]]''

====[[Toda (tribe)]]====
*uninformative and biased -- [[User:Drunkasian|Drunkasian]] 08:11, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Probably vandalism. Utter rubbish. Terribly written anyway. Delete. [[User:Ludraman|Ludraman]] | [[User talk:Ludraman|Talk]] 08:43, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. Valid stub now. [[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:37, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep stub. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 11:58, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep: valid stub now. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:51, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep the current version. [[User:RickK|RickK]] | [[User talk:RickK|Talk]] 21:45, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Revised version looks fine to me. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 22:08, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[James S. Baker]]====
*I couldn't find anything on the guy on Google. I wouldn't call the accomplishments described in the article anything noteworthy, either. -- [[User:Djinn112|Djinn112]] 08:23, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
*Seems to be gone already. Any particular reason? [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 09:55, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* An anon blanked it and put a speedy deletion tag on it - and someone deleted it without checking the history. I have restored. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 12:18, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete: vanity. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:52, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. The anon user who listed for speedy delete was the creator, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=James_S._Baker&action=history], and IMO it does qualify. But thanks for the restore. IMO the only problem was that the reason for the delete should have been listed here for 24 hours in terms of current policy. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 18:52, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*The only author of the page blanked it and added the speedy deletion tag, so I deleted it. I did check the history. There is no real reason to wait if the author the page agrees it should be deleted. Delete. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Rex]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|,]] 18:56, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)~

====[[Adam Jacob Muller]]====
*vanity [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 09:23, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Another blanking and addition of speedy deletion tag led someone to delete this. I have reverted. Please could administrators check the edit history before deleting. Thanks. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 12:27, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* I think once it has been listed on VfD it should stay here - even if the original author blanks after the VfD tag is added. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 12:32, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Delete. Delete right away. Complete vanity. [[User:Tannin|Tannin]] 13:05, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Vanity is not one of the reasons for speedy deletion. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 14:10, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete: vanity. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:52, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Does not contain any allegation or information even colorably justifying inclusion. That he is a student at [[Pace University]]? That he is an atheist? These are just large groups, but there is no indication he is anything more than a member of these. Unless information is added to colorably justify inclusion here, I vote to delete. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 17:56, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. While I think this does qualify for [[speedy delete]] as [[patent nonsense]], see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Adam_Jacob_Muller&oldid=2746316] for the last non-blank version by the creator, I also think this discussion is good and should continue here. IMO we don't know whether the author is the subject or not, but it's clearly a prank of some sort. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 18:35, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. If Adam Jacob Muller is only prominent for what the article says, then he does not deserve being included in an Encyclopedia more than myself. (Although I ''might'' be worth including?). [[User:Pfortuny|Pfortuny]] 18:38, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Not even entertaining vanity. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 22:10, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Mizan]]====
*Have not found any evidence anywhere to support the existence of Mizan or any of its "cousins" as cartoon characters in any media format. Looks like vanity to me. [[User:Darkcore|Darkcore]] 12:11, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. I've listed it for [[speedy delete]] as [[patent nonsense]]. The page states that the character was "Created as a stroke of genious by its creater", and is "not well known yet". It's by an anon user. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 18:25, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Zookeeper]]====
*Dictionary definition. [[User:Darkcore|Darkcore]] 12:30, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. Less than 24 hours old. Does not meet [[Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#What_to_list_on_VfD|What to list and not list on VfD]] threshhold. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 12:37, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
**Seems like a matter of opinion whether or not it meets that criterion. (not a vote)[[User:RickK|RickK]] | [[User talk:RickK|Talk]] 21:42, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. This was one of many professions listed on Requested Articles. Ample room for expansion. -- [[User:Seth Ilys|Seth Ilys]] 12:43, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. We have lots of articles on professions. There's no reason this one can't be improved. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 15:33, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

====[[Conventional medicine]]====
Quoting the creator of this article: "This article is a stub, created to help resolve an issue in [[Alternative medicine]]. Depending upon how the issue is resolved, this stub will either be expanded or deleted."
* Delete - How the issue was resolved demands deletion. -- [[User:Mr-Natural-Health|Mr-Natural-Health]] 14:53, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Delete as a main encyclopedia article. Not encyclopedic. Original research. Or, attempt at a public discussion. The material on this page belongs on a talk page somewhere. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 15:25, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*The fact that this article needs work and was created for a dubious reason does not mean that the article of this title ''per se'' should be deleted. I vote to keep, but a lot of work should be done on it. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 15:55, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep, or at least, keep the idea. The concepts of "conventional medicine" vs. "alternative medicine" should be covered in Wikipedia. But the current content does belong on a talk page, not in the article namespace. -- [[User:Seth Ilys|Seth Ilys]] 17:23, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* Keep, but completely rewrite... possibly as a stubby explanation of the distinction between conventional and alternative medicine. The current contents of the article are already present on [[Talk:Conventional medicine]]. - [[User:MykReeve|MykReeve]] 19:10, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Underwater]]====
Article is a dictionary definition, no valuable information. Sole content:
:: '''Underwater''' or '''U/W''' is a term describing the area below the surface of [[water]]. Many activities are conducted underwater, whether for [[recreation]] such as [[scuba diving]], or for other purposes, such as [[underwater warfare]]. The deepest location underwater (and in the entire world, in fact) is the Challenger Deep located in the Mariana Trench.

Perhaps could be a disambiguation page, but no need to have a dedicated page. [[User:Friedo|Friedo]] 18:59, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Keep, not just a dicdef, but needs expansion. --[[User:Merovingian|Monsieur Mero]] 19:05, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
**I agree. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 19:53, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[Kilojoule]]====
Article is just a definition; there's already a [[joule]] page.
*Delete and merge info into joule page. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 19:52, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*Just put a plain redirect to [[joule]]. We don't need vfd to do it. [[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] 19:56, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

====[[StarCraft]]====
and any *(StarCraft) pages

First, Wiki is not a game preserve, and the purpose of these articles is to describe individual game elements. The last thing Wiki needs is a hundred thousand articles like this. Second, the StarCraft: Brood War (unWikified on purpose) article is cloning the StarCraft article each time it is read. Admins might like to determine how it is doing so and stop it.
*Keep, definitely. Good article, good information. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 22:05, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Revision as of 03:59, 25 February 2004

Isn't it "Guadaloupe"? ugen64 03:44, Feb 25, 2004 (UTC)

NO, that's the French spelling, these are named in Spanish. RickK 03:59, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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