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== Summary ==
''For old discussions, see [[Talk:Xbox 360/Archive1|Archive1]], [[Talk:Xbox 360/Archive2|Archive 2]].''
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==Game Prices==
== Licensing ==
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The artical states that games like PDZ and PGR3 will 49.99$. I am fairly certain this is false because i preordered PDZ and was told it was going to be 59.99$ not to mention that all game sites uote the games as being 59.99$. I will look more into and make the changes. {{unsigned|130.156.43.6}}

:No, the article is correct. On xbox.com, Microsoft-developed and Microsoft-produced games are $49.99, while third party games (EA, UbiSoft, etc) are $59.99. I think, though, that Microsoft is using their $50 pricing plan to ease the consumers into the new generation of pricing, so that they aren't hit with obserd prices all at once. {{unsigned|63.208.17.115}}

::The Xbox.xom site also has PDZ for 60$ but its for collecters edition, didnt know it that was worth mentioning[[User:68.153.29.23|68.153.29.23]] 20:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

:::The above is correct, if you were charged 60 then it was for collectors ed.

== System Bandwidth ==
The 360's GPU is a custom 512MB graphics card with 48-way pipelines,and 525Mhz clockspeed made by Microsoft&ATi. System's CPU runs at 512MB/s GDDR3 Ram (700Mhz). Total system memory bandwidth is 278GB/s a/sec. with 21.6 frontside bus,and 32GB/s backside bus, 10.8GB/s southbridge memory up&downstream. Total TFLOPS is 115.2TFLOPS. Which makes the graphics and computer much powerful than any high end PC to date, and the 360 is exactly what people want to see in graphics,memory,CPU's,entertainment,online,etc. seven years from now. It has the exact mathmematics of a supercomputer easily. With real-time graphics that look 3x better than ps3's CGI, what more could you ask for from this multi-media machine. {{unsigned|207.69.139.13}}

:I agree (but opinions don't matter, the facts are right there). The Xbox 360 is a supercomputer, at least by its technical specifications. If only Microsoft marketed it as a "regular" PC and gave it some killer OS software, it would be a huge development for computing. {{unsigned|63.208.17.115}}

::More powerful than any high end PC to date? What people want seven years from now? Yeesh, tone it down a little. There are many areas of the XBox 360 that do not match up with a modern PC, though there are of course many areas where it competes quite well. In seven years, though, the XBox 360 will certainly be very outdated. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] 18:10, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Now that I've double-checked, the total '''theoretical''' speed of the CPU is approximately 115 GFLOPS (not 115.2 TFLOPS, as claimed above). Compare this to the information given in the [[Supercomputer]] article and you will find that this is theoretically equivalent, though slower than, a supercomputer from [[1994]]. Impressive, certainly, but '''much''' less than one one-thousandth the power of a modern high-end supercomputer. And remember, this measure of floating-point performance of the CPU is theoretical. Most of the first round of games will only use a single core. Even a program making efficient use of every single core is unlikely to hit 115.2 GFLOPS on the XBox360. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] 20:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

== Graphics ==
i have heard that the graphics of the X-box 360 are so advanced that one can see the pores on skin. is there any truth to that? -J.L. {{unsigned|64.10.61.86}}

:J.L., it is time that you discovered the magical world of [[texture mapping]]: [[:Image:Tekken6.jpg]] --[[User:Anetode|anetode]][[User_talk:Anetode|¹]] [[Special:Contributions/Anetode|²]] [[3 (disambiguation)|³]] 00:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Time Article ==
In the time article on Xbox 360 there is a quote from Bill Gates that gave the impression that Halo 3 was comming out on the PS3's release date. It might be important to note that Microsoft made a retraction notice.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61132 {{unsigned|Grzesik}}
:It's not a retraction notice ''per se'', more of a clarification. I've added a link to your source in the main article. --[[User:Anetode|anetode]][[User_talk:Anetode|¹]] [[Special:Contributions/Anetode|²]] [[3 (disambiguation)|³]] 02:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

==Remove and merge xbox screen of death link==
user Mateusc created the xbox 360 SOD page and linked it to this article at the bottom, i dont think it warrents its own page and should be merged/ added somehow to this article.[[User:Tik|Tik]] 21:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
:Since the Xbox360 is based on the [[Microsoft Windows]] kernel, wouldn't the information fit better at [[BSoD]]? --[[User:Anetode|anetode]][[User_talk:Anetode|¹]] [[Special:Contributions/Anetode|²]] [[3 (disambiguation)|³]] 22:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

yeah thats what me and a couple others think as well, theres a discussion about it on that page.but i think the verdict is going to be merge the 2.[[User:Tik|Tik]] 15:22, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

==Xbox 360 Lounge pics==
I really don't have an interest in the Xbox 360 or video games in general, but I found myself across the street from Tokyo's Xbox 360 Lounge on Sunday night, and tried out my new HDV camcorder on it. Some frame captures are below, if anyone thinks they're appropriate for the article

<gallery>
Image:Xboxlounge1.JPEG|Xbox 360 Lounge in [[Tokyo]], [[Japan]]
Image:Xboxlounge2.JPEG|Xbox 360 Lounge in [[Tokyo]], [[Japan]]
Image:Xboxlounge3.JPEG|Xbox 360 Lounge in [[Tokyo]], [[Japan]]
Image:Xboxlounge4.JPEG|Xbox 360 Lounge in [[Tokyo]], [[Japan]]
Image:Xboxlounge5.JPEG|Xbox 360 Lounge in [[Tokyo]], [[Japan]]
</gallery>

--[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 20:52, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
:That's pretty cool. Kinda wish they'd add one to Tampa, Florida. [[User:CanesOL79|CanesOL79]] 18:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

== Clean Up!? ==
Great works on the articles boys (is there a girl?)
:anyway, good job
:Although, lets just say i am a customer, who is looking for info on xbox360, me browsing thorugh wiki, and searched for "xbox 360"
:Luckliy i got what i wanted, now to look for all information i need,
:Looking at that articles, seems like reading a newspaper, i need something easy, so i can read the information without scroll down
:The task for you guys (girls?) is to pack the information together, like pack it in a box

*The images, are just packed everywhere, why don't you all add them to the Image Gallery
*Some information needs to be seperated into another article, for less Contents
*The pricing and Packaging, shouldn't that be in a different article? like Chrome/Prenuim/Xbox 360 and Core System, Prices for each they should be togethr in another article, so people can know what the differences instead of packing all information just in one article
*The componements and Acceroies, should also be in a seprate article (remember ariticles are kb, accept the lenght/data packed in the article) so don't be afriad to do to many, do has much has you like.
*The "Hardware specifications-Viral advertising and alternate reality games" can stay. Remember the article says Xbox 360, it has to be about the name and console, and Components and accessories, or anything outside xbox360 should be a link to the article

Rememer, always listen to what the customer says, to make a better improvments.
:if you don't listen to me...fine it's cool

[[User:Xino|>x<ino]] 03:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Agree, also did you notice LINK city at the bottom? that needs to be cleaned up. minor problem though [[User:Tik|Tik]] 15:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you to an extent. The introduction definitely needs to be cleaned up and beefed up, so random customers and google-redirects are given a quick and factual summary. However I think that images should be used primarily to illustrate the pertinent sections, grouping them in a gallery would strain the fair use rationale. The article is getting quite large, but the hardware specs and official components and accessories really should be the pillars of the entry. The marketing info, launch title lists, and release info could easily be combined and exported into a ''Launch of Xbox 360'' article. The Xbox Live service already has its own article as well, so that section could be merged away, and the links should be trimmed. These changes would cut the article by about a third. --[[User:Anetode|anetode]][[User_talk:Anetode|╔╝]] 15:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

== Number of Registers? ==
What's the '''total number of registers''' in the xbox360? the article states:
*Two hardware threads per core; '''six total'''.
*'''128''' VMX-128 registers '''per hardware thread'''.
So is that 6 * 128 = '''786'''? What ever the case it needs to be clarified. [[User:68.183.29.123|68.183.29.123]] 18:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
:There is also a set of floating point registers per thread. Suffice to say that the total number is pretty large. --[[User:Anetode|anetode]][[User_talk:Anetode|╔╝]] 02:59, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::Who actually gives a damn about these useless specifications anyway? Do people say "I want an Xbox 360 because it has 768 VMX-128 registers"? --[[User:Optichan|Optichan]] 18:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:The VMX-128 unit contains a 128&times;128 register file (128 registers, each 128 bits wide). One VMX-128 execution unit per core times 128 registers is 384 vector registers. Note that this is not the total number of registers in the CPU, just those used exclusively by the 360's SIMD units. I've clarified this a bit in the article. -- [[User:Uberpenguin|uberpenguin]] 14:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, for anyone who wants a reference for this justification, Jeff Brown's presentation at the last Fall Processor forum (titled "Application Customized CPU Design for Microsoft XBOX 360" [http://www.in-stat.com/fpf/05/conf.htm]) is very good since it is directly from the lead IBM engineer on the Xenon project, and hasn't been systematically filtered through Microsoft's marketing and a thousand fanboy sites. Some of the highlights were posted by Brown on [http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2005/10/27/xbox-360-cpu-details-described-at-mpr-fall-processor-forum/ this blog]. Scan the section on the design of VMX-128 briefly; it makes it pretty clear that each unit only has one register file. I'd definitely go by the engineer's reports rather than MS' confusing press release. -- [[User:Uberpenguin|uberpenguin]] 14:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Faked Undersupply ==
how often is hardware said to be undersupplied and it turns out not to be? other than the PSP launch (but it wasn't AS touted as undersupplied, IIRC, as the xbox 360 is being...) i pulled up no articles googling the topic. well, not under the search "xbox 360" fake undersupply. any other thoughts, search ideas, sources? [[User:Plonk420|Plonk420]] 07:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
*[http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/11/12/1724242.shtml?tid=211][[User:12.220.47.145|12.220.47.145]] 00:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*Real or fake, it caused one to go for [http://cgi.ebay.com/Xbox-360-PREMIUM-In-Hand-11-22-Guaranteed-Xbox360_W0QQitemZ8236071424QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem $3450 on eBay]. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] 21:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
*just like all the other eBay auctions you see on the news (xbox360 eBay media hype) with huge dollar values, that one is fake. The user's feedback is now private, and got -1 from the seller.[[User:WiZZLa|WiZZLa]] 16:29, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
**It's my opinion that the private user who won the bid actually tried to scam the seller. Google for david_lascar (anagram of rascal) and check out his modus operandi on a previous scam involving a dog. That's what you get for being a greedy fuckhead trying to sell something at ten times it's price - you become a honeypot for real grifters, even if they are half-arsed. --[[User:81.178.239.207|81.178.239.207]] 17:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I dont think calling names is very mature, even if i agree that selling a 360 at 5k on ebay is not very respectable, however it is pretty smart for those people wanting to make a quick buck and not at all illegal, the fact that people actually buy them is what fuels this kind of behavior. But please do not use profanity in these discussion spaces as it is not professional or mature. [[User:Tik|Tik]] 15:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== Xbox 360 Degrees ==
Is it ok to put a link up to the site http://www.xbox360degrees.com/ the site seems to be kept up to date, and has helpful and useful news. {{unsigned|Kittydog17}}

:It is sometimes appropriate (see [[WP:EL]] for more information) to put up as many as '''one''' such site. Please justify why this article should link to xbox360degrees and not to any of the other sites that fit into the same category. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] 00:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::Well from my experience of using the site it does seem very quick with news, they have recently put up the list of backwards compatible games, and the confirmed launch titles, the news seems very regular and informative, I just felt that it was looked after enough to have the privilege to get a place on the Xbox 360 page on wikipedia --[[User:Kittydog17|Kittydog17]] 07:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

== The Xbox 360 was officially unveiled... ==
Important: 4 hours before the MTV program in United States the [[OurColony]] just placed the final challenge that reveal [http://download.uol.com.br/jogos/videos/thecolony.wmv this] Xbox 360 video. --[[User:Mateusc|Mateusc]] 23:19, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

== Grammar changes ==
Why points inside brackets? IMHO this isn't grammatically correct.
--[[User:KuSh|KuSh]] 08:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Graphics Chip Picture ==
I have uploaded the image [[Image:r500gpu.jpg]]. This is an image of the R500 Graphics Processing Unit of the Xbox 360. Can someone change the image size and correctly insert it into the picture? Thanks. --[[User:CanesOL79|CanesOL79]] 15:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:The image has been cropped, inserted in the article, and relicensed. --[[User:Anetode|anetode]][[User_talk:Anetode|╔╝]] 16:06, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

== Universal Remote ==
At IGN, they showed the real picture of the xbox remote, it doesnt look like this, this is a protoype
:the real one, looks Universal, please look to it
:both pad an;t the same, the real on has something at the bottom middle, and some glowing green lights, while the one you got on this article is plain
[[User:Xino|&gt;x&lt;ino]] 02:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

== Tables ==
I've totally redone the "Retail configurations and pricing" and "Launch titles" using tables. It better shows the comparisons, and I hope it doesn't make the code too difficult to read. [[user:violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 23:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:great works on that [[User:Xino|&gt;x&lt;ino]] 05:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

== Xbox.com is down ==
Anyone know what's up with that? &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>]] 00:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:it isn't down to me [[User:Xino|&gt;x&lt;ino]] 02:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::It is down for me. I am guessing a lot of people want more information because it was recently released and also it is to be released in other regions soon. --[[User:Thorpe|Thorpe]] 20:50, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

guys, this isnt a message board, stuff like this doesnt belong here. please remove it. [[User:Tik|Tik]] 16:33, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

== 10 reasons why to buy Xbox 360 and 10 reasons why not to buy Xbox 360 ==
Maybe it’s a good thing to have this kind of information available. For a user his/her wikipedia goal for this specific subject, is to find out what the Xbox 360 is and if he/she will buy it or not. I was able to find a couple of topics on the internet about this subject.
At ign.com I found these two topics: [http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/668/668897p1.html 10 reasons] , [http://ps3.ign.com/articles/668/668446p1.html 10 reasons] and [http://pc.ign.com/articles/668/668631p1.html pc] .[[User:ShotokanTuning|ShotokanTuning]] 13:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:Freedom and Microsoft? Lol, don’t make me laugh that’s the worst example ever. The topic about the pc games is very interesting. How come some of the reasons at Xbox 360 actually root against the Xbox 360 if you think them trough? I demand better reasons to buy a Xbox 360 and I want them now! Or I’ll wait until the PS3 comes out (hoping Xbox 360 has a few games worth playing by that time…) and make a decision. I won’t just make a wild move like last time with the Xbox... Don’t tell me that GTA4 rumor is true![[User:137.120.12.17|137.120.12.17]] 13:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::Sorry, I wasn’t able to find better reasons why to buy the Xbox 360, maybe somebody else had more luck? Thanks. The GTA team had a bias for Sony, why would that change? GTA never was that good anyways, it's only by GTA3 they got the hang of things, maybe GTA4 is nice.[[User:ShotokanTuning|ShotokanTuning]] 13:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

This kind of topic is POV based though, would be hard to sell unless you found a way to Neutral it. But see what you can do. [[User:Tik|Tik]] 16:36, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

== North American launch ==
Anyone want to put in some details about shortages, errors and robbery of Xbox 360s? Not looking so good.
[http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/11/22/news_6140287.html ''Xbox 360 has rocky start at retail''] {{unsigned|Thorpe}}

:XBOX 360 bloggers swamp the web...[http://xbox360.tamilar.org Microsoft XBOX 360 Blog] {{unsigned|82.36.139.53}}

I live down the st from where a women got robbed at gunpoint for her 360 she was buying for her son for christmas on launch day, absolutely rediculous. the good news is that the store owner and employess pitched in to buy her a new one, good people exist in the world after all!! [[User:Tik|Tik]] 16:38, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

== Worst launch ever? ==
Someone added that section. It was obvious written by a fanboy (in example, calling Xbots to the Xbox fans). While I agree there must be some section about the launching problems, it is too early to cite sources that base their reports in blogs and forums. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 13:06, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

:yea, but fanboys know more!:D any way... " Immediately after the launch, isolated reports about the new machine's technical glitches started coming out. Some reported that the Xbox 360 "crashed", some reported the hard drive did not respond at all while a few others reported unusually fast overheating. Microsoft has stated that they will look into the reports and has offered assistance reachable by phone. "DAMN! that is what i have to say!, i pity those fools, when they call for assitance, Microsoft will get extra money, when those fools waste money over the phone. [[User:Xino|&gt;x&lt;ino]] 14:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

::This is bad... Microsoft is starting to disappoint me now. [[User:ShotokanTuning|ShotokanTuning]] 07:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Seems like a shitty console to me.. with all those overpriced, uninspired gamez, and overheated screens of death. imo,a no go. {{unsigned|81.70.252.138}}

::::^ seems like a fanboy to me. {{unsigned|WiZZLa}}

i changed a little of what the report section said, after reading gamespy, there blip on it made since in that the tech problems are not uncommon, and arent rampant, i personally dont know anyone who has had any problem myself, so it would seem like they were pretty isolated. I think that all this propaganda is from fanboys exaggerating and Sony using people to discredit 360 since it is the only competition. [[User:Tik|Tik]] 16:54, 4 December 2005 (UTC) Edit: also ino, if you call microsoft with your problem regarding 360 they will send you a shipping box and ship u a new console, in return for the defective one, thats fair.

:Microsoft stated only about 3% of the released machines had problems. That amounts to little over 13,000 (if they did release between 400,000 and 500,000 units). Since game communities are online and with a great technology knowledge, it is understandable they would make noise in the internet. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 17:05, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

For Japan, I think one can safely argue that Xbox 360 does have worst launch titles, in the number at least, compared to Europe and US. I'm not exactly sure why MS is doing this, but having only a part of other countries' lineup will make it look like MS isn't making a serious attempt in Japan. As a side note, I have a feeling that MS did a market study and believes it can ignore Japanese market and still be succesful. MS is running a series of TV advertising right now in Japan and it's horrible copy of i-Pod, catchy (or supposed to be) American music, short (and unispiring from my view, having played demo version) segments of game video, and not showing anyone actually playing it. I still can't believe they couldn't find or tried to use a Japanese singer to sing in ads... -- [[User:Revth|Revth]] 01:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:First two days passed here in Japan (or Tokyo where I live) and I had previously believed 50,000-75,000 sales on the first week was possible. I believe the number will be less than 30,000. I will add how many actually sold with verifiable sources on the next weekend. -- [[User:Revth|Revth]] 10:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

::Although a blog, some information can be extracted from [http://www.kotaku.com Kotaku]. Except on the official launching place, it seems sales are going slow in other places. This week Media Create should be posting numbers from up to today, so we may get real numbers for this launch. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 14:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

:::About the 3% figure, that's only the number of incidents that have been reported directly to Microsoft, and does not include the number of defected units that will be discovered in the morning of Christmas Day. Most polls showed over 15% defect rate, but of course online polls aren't scientific, but I must say that I have never seen so many reports of defects being reported in the Gamefaqs forum before. Looking at the insides of the Xbox 360, one gets the feeling that the design has major flaws that must be looked into, too many components packed together so closely and an inefficient air cooling system is asking for overheating nightmares. [[User:Dionyseus|Dionyseus]] 15:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

::::Um, Dionyseus. The number I gave is the "estimated total number of Xbox 360 sold in Japan on the first week". Nobody in Japan is talking about how defective Xbox 360 is because nobody cares. There is an unofficial countdown thread at [[2chan]] counting down how fast 310 Xbox 360 will sell at Sofmap's online store. The number is currently down to 304 and that's $300*300=$90,000 or about $100,000 worth of Xbox 360 (not including anything else) rotting on the shelf. Retailers are going to kill MS for Nintendo and Sony simply because they want to destroy Xbox 360s that's clogging up their storages. I'm refraining from writing that Xbox 360 was a '''total failure''' in Japan because I need numbers to back me up. -- [[User:Revth|Revth]] 01:28, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

::::Numbers are here and yes it's a disaster. I didn't add because I couldn't even care less to find out the actual number but the original Xbox sold about 120,000 units initially (to 500,000). I feel sorry for whatever is going to happen to MS Japan. -- [[User:Revth|Revth]] 02:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::Revth, my post was directed to Reybrujo, not you. [[User:Dionyseus|Dionyseus]] 08:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

::::::Sorry. :( -- [[User:Revth|Revth]] 23:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

== Lock the Page ==
Should this page be locked due to the massive amounts of vandalism that are happening right at the launch date of the system? {{unsigned|216.185.84.246 }}

:I agree, After the "worst launch ever" section was added and deleted i think the page should be locked until things have calmed down. ~pure inuyasha {{unsigned|Pure inuyasha }}

::I '''strongly''' agree. The page should be cleaned up, then quickly locked. The vandalism is out of control. - [[User:RedHotHeat|RedHotHeat]] 17:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

== External Links ==
The list is unbelivably long, and please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a link depository. I have allready removed many of the links, but the whole "futher reading" is huge and should be toned down a lot. <strong>[[User:Havok|Havok]]</strong> [[User_talk:Havok|(T]]/[[User:Havok/Contributions|C]]) 09:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

There is no point to having all the links that are there. They are mostly lame articles written to get attention for the author's website. I came to add [http://wiki360.net/page/Main_Page this], which is an entire wiki dedicated to the article. If anyone agrees, add it to the list. --[[User:169.244.143.115|169.244.143.115]] 13:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Wiki360 actually needs some help, so if anybody wants to add some info, we (the staff) would really appreciate it. --[[User:Vironex|Vironex]] 00:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Premium Hard Drive Size ==
The size of the 360 Premium's Hard Drive is 13 GB, not the originally advertised 20 GB. {{unsigned|69.182.193.154}}
: Wrong. It's 20 GB. --[[User:Brazil4Linux|Brazil4Linux]] 03:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
:: Well there is only 13 GB available to the user, as the rest is partitioned off for other purposes. Could make a note you only have 13 for personal purposes ie- game saves, music, movies, demoes etc. [[User:Taladar|Taladar]] 10:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Correct me if I am wrong, but perhaps the missing 7 GB is being used by bundled content such as backwards compatibility with previous games, demos, videos etc. Could someone comment on this? --[[User:Pinnecco|Pinnecco]] 22:28, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Actually the missing 7gb is reserved for game saves, and swapping. [[User:Dionyseus|Dionyseus]] 00:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== Crashing in Europe? ==
I'm living in Ireland, and have seen kiosks of the new console (out 2 Dec for me) but have heard nothing of it crashing. If it is power supply related, it is possible it won't affect Europe (I added that to the article) '''but''', does anyone know for sure? Has anyone heard of it crashing/overheating on the European ones? Or does anyone know '''for sure''', the opposite, that it doesn't affect Europe? - [[User:RedHotHeat|RedHotHeat]] 15:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

== Official name ==
The official name for their first console was "XBOX" (note the capitalisation) as mentioned in the documentation which came with the console.

Is the official name for this new one actually "Xbox 360", or are people on Wikipedia just mangling the name to make it look "better"? {{unsigned|210.50.55.251}}
:Actually, it seems it does not make any difference. Note how Microsoft refers to both ''XBOX 360'' and ''Xbox 360'' [http://www.microsoft.com/xbox/]. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 01:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

== Dead or Alive ==
Dead or Alive is not going to launch in Japan. Someone please fix that.
[[User:Wisnodew|Wisnodew]] 02:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:we need proof, resources, backupinfo or link to the site stating it, an article stating it or news [[User:Xino|&gt;x&lt;ino]] 03:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::Just read it through RSS. [http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7314] It seems it will debut on December 17 instead. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 03:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

{| class="wikitable"
!Title
!North America
!Europe
!Japan
|-
|''[[Dead or Alive 4]]''
|{{no}}
|{{no}}
|{{no}}
|}
::I assume that this means it can be removed from the list? I'll do it. --[[User:Sum0|Sum0]] 20:52, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

== HD DVD? ==
Does the Xbox360 have HD DVD? The article is unclear. {{unsigned|212.85.24.83}}
:No, the Xbox 360, at launch time, does not come with it. And although Microsoft stated that a new version of Xbox 360 may be launched in the future with HD-DVD or (or maybe even Blu-ray) support, that technology would not be used for games, in order to keep the compatibility between the original Xbox 360 and future released ones. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 16:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::If Microsoft wants to be top-level competitive, shouldn't they do a rerelease and use Blu-ray for games too? With all the overheating and freezing of my Xbox 360, I vote for a new release anyway. Right now the hardware problems are maintained, not solved. :( [[User:ShotokanTuning|ShotokanTuning]] 07:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
::: Sorry, but this is impossible. The choice was definitive and if Microsoft migrate your games to HD-DVD it will crash the installed base. --[[User:Brazil4Linux|Brazil4Linux]] 02:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The Xbox 360 has a DVD 9 drive (a double layer DVD with a capacity of 9.4 GB), Microsoft has said it might incorporate HD-DVD in the future, but for movie playback only, not games. There is no chance of Blu-ray as Sony is developing it, so either Microsoft won't use it or Sony won't let them. Blu-ray (27 GB/layer) discs have a bigger capacity of both HD-DVD (15 GB/layer) and DVD (4.7 GB/layer)but at the time of release for the PS3 (which uses Blu-Ray) the read times for them will be much slower than DVD's so there will be longer load times for the PS3.

== Connectivity ==

I've asked this before, but now that it's out, could someone fill in this table below with <nowiki>{{yes}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{no}}</nowiki> to tell me what X360 can and can't do? I'm not saying to use it for the article or anything though. Even if you only know one, fill it in.

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::- [[User:RedHotHeat|RedHotHeat]] 16:26, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Perhaps this would be better suited in the [[WP:RD|Reference desk]] &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>]] 03:58, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
:::: A great idea! --[[User:Brazil4Linux|Brazil4Linux]] 02:04, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

i have a related question. if i convert a video into wma format, can the 360 read it from a standard burnt dvd? if thats the case it will be so much easier to watch home movies. [[User:Tik|Tik]] 15:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== Record from your TV? ==
Is it possible to record TV shows to the xbox 360 hard drive? {{unsigned|83.252.72.10}}

It depends. If the xbox 360 can record video games, yes it can record tv shows, but you need to start buying connection cables & wires:P
[[User:Xino|&gt;x&lt;ino]] 11:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
:: LOL, you are kidding right? my god.. LOL --[[User:Brazil4Linux|Brazil4Linux]] 01:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== Xbox 360 Lounge Accident ==
On the opening day of the Xbox 360 Lounge in Japan, one guest (a pop singer, will get his name if it's important) invited to the opening ceremony got hit in the head by a standing light fixture that somehow fell down. He got a bump on his head and it wasn't serious. Should this information be included or would this be too trivial? Some people will take this as a bad omen. --[[User:Revth|Revth]] 01:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:: I think is more interesting talk about PGR3 crashes. And Final Fantasy XII waiting by the 99.8% by japaneses gamers. --[[User:Brazil4Linux|Brazil4Linux]] 02:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I think that's too trivial, Revth. The fact that no RPGs will be in the Japanese launch, and that Ninety Nine Nights has been delayed until Spring 06, is more pertinent. [[User:Dionyseus|Dionyseus]] 10:45, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== Fanboys blanking? ==

Some Fanboys are blaking my contributions (Technical Issues/DVD Movie/Huge Power Suply and Energy Hungry). It's sourced and all true and confirmed by reliable tech site [[Ars Technica]] and [[CNET]]. I ask for Microsoft Xbox Fanboys stop make this. This isn't MSN kids. This is open-source information. No Censorship. --[[User:Brazil4Linux|Brazil4Linux]] 13:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:You contributions are fine and shouldn't be removed, but I think all the criticisms should be moved into one section and rephrased for clarity and flow. Having several small two-sentence sections that describe one problem or complaint with the device is pretty ugly looking. Don't get offended by major rewording of what you've added, but you can pretty safely just revert any wholesale blanking; especially by anonymous users.-- [[User:Uberpenguin|uberpenguin]] 16:04, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::First of all, I am not a fanboy. Second, I believe this is one of the first times I revert something from you, so [[WP:AGF|don't threat me]] at my Talk Page, as if I had been reverting all your changes like ''GoldDragon''. From my point of view, I followed the rules where it states that [[WP:RS#Using online sources|blogs are not good sources]]. You should follow [[Wikipedia:One-revert rule|the rules]] in a [[WP:CIV|civilized way]], not just insult me.

::If CNET blog is fine, just tell me and be done. You have a very childish behaviour. As you said, ''This is open-source information.'' If you don't like a change, discuss, don't threat. Who do you think you are? -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 22:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:::He overreacted, you should have been more careful about wholesale deletion of content. Be the bigger person, let it go, and concentrate on making the information more accurate rather than simply removing it. -- [[User:Uberpenguin|uberpenguin]] 23:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:::: [[CNET]] is a blog? [[Ars Technica]] is a blog? LOL Fanboys are fun. --[[User:Brazil4Linux|Brazil4Linux]] 01:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::::::Well, to be correct... The article you linked on CNet [http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6398157.html here] says directly at the top 'The CNet Blog'. So while it is CNet... it is also a blog. --[[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 02:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::You are right, Uberpenguin. Brazil4Linux, I am sorry if you felt your edits were given no proper judgement by me, it was not my intention. As I said, [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]], don't threat, don't call people stupid, and everything will go fine. From my part, I will try to understand a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANintendo_Revolution&diff=23375027&oldid=23366433 fanboy] better. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 02:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey, don't mind those fools
:all you have to do is..revert your contribution
[[User:Xino|&gt;x&lt;ino]] 16:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== Burn in ==
I removed the small section on Burn-in, as this is a universal happening in all CRTs and any other type of siplay that I know of. It is not isolated to the 360 and I do not believe has a place in this article. --[[User:Arcaynn|Arcaynn]] 07:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Burn-ins do not occur in CRTs, LCDs, or DLPs. It only happens in older projection TVs and plasmas

:Burn-in certainly DOES occur in CRTs; I have several lying around here with very severe burn in. Newer ones are much harder to burn in than the old green phosphor screens used in dumb terminals, but it can still happen. -- [[User:Uberpenguin|uberpenguin]] 20:53, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

== Rumours and WikiPedia ==
I've again removed the section on "Project Light Flame" since it is nothing but a minor rumour at this time. The section references [http://www.360monster.com/newspost.php?id=0000000209 this] article on some console game fan site (herein lies credibility flag number 1). The site states that some ''other'' site has found some sort of evidence (nature unspecified) of the described campaign. It also cites yet a ''third'' site as ITS source (third-hand information? credibility flag number 2). Visiting the third-hand source that the '360monster' site cites, we find this notice "EDIT: It has emerged that shortly after we published this article, 1UP.com removed the source from their website. No reason was given; although subsequent reports suggest questions surrounding the validity of their source. We apologise for any confusion." [http://www.news0r.com/index.php?p=2801] This (third hand) site now reports that the (second hand) site has taken down the original information because of "questions surrounding (its) validity." Ladies and gentlemen, kind sirs, this is what is known as an internet rumour. Totally unverified information that is circulated on every single game-related blog is unfit for inclusion here until it can be verified by a reputable news source (and is one good reason not to even use blogs as a source for an article).

See how much trouble and dialogue we could have saved if everybody kindly checked their sources and attempted to only use first-hand sources from reputable news outlets? -- [[User:Uberpenguin|uberpenguin]] 04:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:I must say that, according to [[WP:V#Verifiability, not truth|Wikipedia inclusion policy]], ''The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.'' So, even if it is a wild rumour, if it can be verified by visiting a site like 1Up or IGN, it can be accepted into Wikipedia. I am not referring to this article in particular, but as a general rule. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 13:01, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yes, of course, but balance this information with the suggestions in [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] and my point still stands. -- [[User:Uberpenguin|uberpenguin]] 13:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::I never disagreed with your point. I was just saying that if the "Project Light Flame" is stated in IGN as a fact, or if they suddenly say something wild like that you will be able to download Zelda games from the Xbox Marketplace, since it is a reliable source and is verifiable by going to an IGN link, it can be included in the article. Just wanted to prevent a generalization by others that might read these comments. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 13:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::::IGN is still, AFAIK, always a second-hand source. If IGN is reporting on a verifiable story that has a trustworthy cited source like a company press release, then of course that information can be added here. However, the source cited here should be the original press release and not IGN's reporting on it. -- [[User:Uberpenguin|uberpenguin]] 21:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== External links section ==
Just how many editorials, fan sites, blogs, and game news sites do we need to link? According to policy ([[Wikipedia:External_links]]), we really should only be linking to one notable editorial dump/fansite/blog/game review site, not ten. My personal feeling is that these links are unneccessary in the first place since one doesn't have to go far out of their way to find one of the bajillion gaming related blog-o-editorial-sites out there. Of course this is contestable, but I'd like to see at least some discussion on what site in this category SHOULD be linked and why, rather than simply tolerating a big mess of various sites with almost identical content. In general, we want to include links that provide a significant informative experience beyond what we can cover here, and endless editorials about one person's view of a console and/or the ever-dreaded ill conceived and poorly backed console comparisons just don't qualify as a "significant informative experience" in my mind. Therefore, I've removed most of the external links section and left only what I felt are really worthwhile reading and actually relevant to this subject matter (i.e., not just one of the plethora of general game culture and game review sites). I've also added a link to an IBM DeveloperWorks article that provides a useful (albeit regrettably basic) overview of the design of the Xbox 360 CPU. I left the "Related gaming articles" section in tact largely because I didn't want to cause anybody too much mental shock, but I think its contents should likewise be evaluated.

Comments are appreciated. Remember that Wikipedia articles aren't directories or link dumps, so any links we consider adding should have their value critically examined before they are included in the article. -- [[User:Uberpenguin|uberpenguin]] 14:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

==Dashboard==
Being that the dashboard is such a critical part of the XBox360, should a section be made in this article about it or put on it's own page? [[User:Drakino|Drakino]] 19:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so...
:It should need more information about it, or els it will be a stub.
The only information about it is, the 5 selection, Market Place, my Games ect
Let's see what wiki has to say
[[User:Xino|&gt;x&lt;ino]] 19:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
:: I've started a section on it in the main article. I'll try to add more later, and also will try to find some good screenshots that aren't from an early beta to use. [[User:Drakino|Drakino]]

Hey!, great work on it:P
:I also added some info for you:D
[[User:Xino|&gt;x&lt;ino]] 00:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

==Xbox games that will not work on the Xbox 360==
A list of Xbox games that will not work on the new Xbox 360. Please ad any title that will only be usefull on the first and original Xbox console.

*[[Alien Hominid]]
*[[Star Wars: Battlefront]]
*[[Star Wars: Battlefront II]]

:Microsoft is adding emulation profiles all the time [supposedly], I would check back often. &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>]] 03:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

== John Porcaro's blog ==
http://www.johnporcaro.com/

He is a marketing manager for the 360. It has some interesting info, might be good to incorporate some info in the wiki, or use it to substantiate/cite facts. {{unsigned|69.118.109.76}}
:After reading through it, no. When he gets fired for incompetence in trying to sell Xbox 360 to Japan, yes. -- [[User:Revth|Revth]] 13:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


== No Sales Data For The North American Region Released By Microsoft ==

Anyone else surprised that Microsoft hasn't released any sales data yet? We quickly got the data for the Japanese launch, but nada for the North American region, this is unheard of. It is typical for sales data to be quickly released within days of openings, which is obviously helpful for consumers and potential stock holders. Perhaps the launch in North America wasn't as good as Microsoft expected, and they decided not to release sales data? Who knows... [[User:Dionyseus|Dionyseus]] 20:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

== Inflate Demand ==

Any reasons why the following was removed with regards to criticism to Microsoft by consumers?

:''"[...] and by consumers that Microsoft is adopting a tactic to inflate demand on the console"''

this doesn't mean is the absolute truth, but people are indeed taslking about the possibility of Microsoft forcing a "selling out" of Xbox 360

*[http://www.google.com/search?q=%22inflate+demand%22+%2B+xbox&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official Searches on Google]
*[http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1826249&tid=211&tid=187 Article on Slashdot]

--[[User:Pinnecco|Pinnecco]] 00:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

:Internet rumours spread to blogs the quickest, and the Google test is not generally a very good measure of the truth of something. There is no concrete evidence for such a tactic, just random musings and speculation. Now, if you have some articles that cite respectable sources and give REASONS why this might be the case, rather than simply guessing as to Microsoft's motives, then by all means post them here. Otherwise this information has to be considered unencyclopedic. -- [[User:Uberpenguin|uberpenguin]] 00:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

::If the opinion of stores complaining of not enough consoles being supplied to them is published, why not the opinion of users? Anyway, this is a common tactic and I will repeat what I said above:

:::''this doesn't mean is the absolute truth, but people are indeed talking about the possibility of Microsoft forcing a 'selling out' of Xbox 360'' --[[User:Pinnecco|Pinnecco]] 12:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

::Do you really expect a company to give a press statement confirming a controvertial marketing tactic?

""''Retailers in the land of King Herald V are each being alloted a supply of 20 consoles, 6 core editions and 14 premium versions. But there is a catch: In order to get all of them, each shop or chain has to sign an agreement saying that they will sell out of all 20 consoles on the release date (which is December 2 over there). On top of that, the retailers must agree to sell a minimum of 2 games per console.''

::*[http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/xbox-360-retail-bully-134320.php]
::*[http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/word-on-the-street-xbox-360-launch-numbers-135480.php]

--[[User:Pinnecco|Pinnecco]] 12:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

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