User talk:Drmies: Difference between revisions

Iggy Pop

I beleive a {{fact}} tag would have been more appropriate here. --kelapstick (talk) 09:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

• Maybe, but I had no idea what this person was trying to say. Only when they put it in the third time did I realize that "Iggy" might be the subject, not some idiot schoolmate of this idiot. Hey, are you hounding me? Oh, my regards again to the fam. We were just discussing this morning how much we'd like the four-year old to be two years old again for an hour. Enjoy it while you can, K! Haha, Drmies (talk) 14:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Well we will be at least another two years till we have another two year old...where does the time go? Hey? Have you considered autoarchiving? Boba Phat is still on here, and while I know he was crucial to the project, that was months ago! Plus it takes me forever to scroll down this far on my iPod....So when are you coming to NS? It is prime lobster season, although we both missed the Lobster Carnival. --kelapstick (talk) 14:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Appologies for the let down, I had actually expected you to correct that for me, in fact I was going to leave a note when I left it asking you to. I must make Lobster Carnival a blue link (if I can), because I was under the impression that there would be lobsters riding Ferris Wheels and merry-go-rounds, but when I got pictures from Mrs. K (I could not attend, for obvious reasons), I was saddly dissappointed. I must inform others that the event might not be what they expect it to be. I have also been trying to gather enough information to create an article on Pictou county pizza (a style of pizza, not a brand), but have come up short once again (that's what she said).--kelapstick (talk) 00:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

See also

Sorry about the RVV label; I have been barely sweeping articles for the last few years, after spending 3 years creating 100s of them. It's a lot of work to keep up on that many, and honestly, when I see an editor who has never edited the article before come along and wipe out large portions of link sections I almost automatically assume it's vandalism, revert it, then move along. Sorry to lump your concerned effort with those. • Freechild'sup? 14:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

• Sure thing, Freechild. Thanks for your note--and I hope you like the feather I stuck in your cap. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Against my word and yours we need to discuss this, civilly and calmly. We are obviously going to get nowhere with snarky comments and edit warring. So, how do you want to solve this? At present, there is no consensus for either inclusion or non-inclusion, as it has no been actively discussed. The inclusion is something that has just happened over time. I feel we should have (at ANI for more eyes) a discussion on this and work something out. We aren't going to get anywhere but blocked, both of us, if we continue to spit snarky comments at each other and revert each others edits. So, truce? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:00, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Homer, I haven't yet forgotten that you called me a "petty, arrogant troll"--on this same talk page. I make good-faith efforts to improve articles that you hadn't even edited before, and you are obviously following me and reverting me (blindly reverting me at WIAT also removed a valid maintenance template, and you know it). And no, I am not going to get blocked over this: every time you warn me about 3RR, you're the one at 3, not me.

  Now, there is progress in your message: you say there is no consensus for either inclusion or exclusion. By that I think you mean "no consensus in the TV station project"--which is correct, but that's not all that matters. What I want from you, before we go anywhere, is the acknowledgment that Wikipedia's policies on BLPs and directories apply across the board, since I can not agree to anything that allows unverified information to stand. You have brought forth a few arguments for the reasonability of some of that information. I can see the possibility of a compromise there, where it concerns current staff--but why don't you start by linking to a webpage, whenever possible, where that info is verified? Some time ago you agreed that especially in the case of former staff there are BLP problems, and I think (but seriously, I am not checking your edits!) that in a number of cases (in the past anyway, if I remember correctly) where you reverted me you have not reinstated those unverified/non-notable folk, for which I applaud you (and I hope you are still of the same opinion).

  Look, I'm watching the news right now on WSFA, and I want to finish watching that. In the meantime, have a look at that station's page--there's barely a notable person there, and you know it. More than half the article is directory information. I'm leaving it alone, since Rich Thomas is doing his spiel (he's obviously not just the weekend meteorologist). Thanks for your message; we'll talk later. Drmies (talk) 03:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Just so you know I am not following your edits, we actually just popped up on the same page, please see this edit and this edit. These were for a couple days ago. There is a sockpuppet afoot, so I have been doing some reverting. They were hitting the WIAT and WVTM pages often, so I watchlisted them, otherwise, I wouldn't have seen the edits...they are outside of my watch area (I watch VA, WV, MD, PA and DC stations).

I am still open to adding links to the station bio pages. I can do that in my area, since you appear to live (I am guessing) in the Alabama area, you might want to do the same down there. As for other stations, we would have to put something on WP:TVS to get more help so it is not just two people working on this, it would get tiring very quickly.

As for the former staff, I am fine with the lists being slimmed down to notable and another editor has already started that. I think while they are at the station, they are notable. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Homer, this sounds fair to me. Current staff should have a link to a source (the station's website) to satisfy WP:V; for former staff, bluelinks are of course sufficient, and if at least some sort of significant reference is linked (to satisfy WP:BLP), people without WP articles make the cut as well--and they could be redlinked as an invitation to editors to write the article. I'll do one of the articles we've disagreed on, and then you can see what you think.

BTW, there is another matter: I personally don't see the justification for those slogans and lists of names of news programs and I wonder where, in most of those articles, that knowledge comes from, but we can leave that for another day. OK? In the meantime, we'll stop the namecalling and next time we disagree we'll settle it after school on the playground, under the old oak tree, with fisticuffs. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 13:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. My idea was to link to the reporter/anchor/etc's individual bio per a link, but this works just as good. :)

The slogans/news programs lists should be taken out. At first I was indifferent on their inclusion, but since a long time sockpuppeteer has created all those lists, they are out. I will do the VA, WV, MD, PA and DC stations sometime today.

*totally joking*Yeah! 3pm after History class! You're going down! :) Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 17:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Matthew HK

Hi there MIES, VASCO here,

Glad to see everything is (for now resolved) in this situation, even though i think (i could be wrong though) the apology is contrived, not sincere. Also (was totally caught by surprise, because i thought blocked users could do everything but edit, so i assumed they could still send messages and stuff), if you notice his talkpage, watch how he goes in an endless rant about football technicalities to justify his (not being) block(ed), then speaks about differences with two users, one of them me.

About this last part, i feel as though he is trying to make me look bad, again calling me stupid ("nonsense"), saying i don't own articles (does he?) and saying i engage in things i do not (as of now that is, i did it in the past - could his horrible English be to blame for any misunderstanding on my part?); more or less, it seems he is saying "I was blocked, how come Vasco was not?". But i will leave everything as it is - sent him a polite but to-the-point message when i saw what he wrote - hopefully this is the beginning of a good Wikiunderstanding between you two - i say "you two" because i feel that i haven't reached, for reasons that escape me, that kind of understanding with him or any other user in almost four years of editing :(

Cheers, take care - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Hey Vasco, thanks for the note. Well, he apologized, and I accept that, so as far as I'm concerned that's the end of it. I haven't looked at his talk page and I probably won't; the lengthy explanations of other things, I saw that before. But you see, I only incidentally edit soccer articles (like last night, when you should have been in bed, haha), so I don't run into him very often. Really all I can say is I hope he gets it. He's produced a ton of edits, many of them useful, no doubt, but Wikimanners count for something as well. And it's hard, especially since all of us think we're right, usually, to deal with someone whom we think is wrong, and I'm not always good at it, but it's worth trying to get along. So, try to keep your cool. In the meantime, make sure you enjoy the rest of the summer, and adeus! Drmies (talk) 17:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Vampires Suck

You did not abide by WP:Assume good faith and as such I request a redaction or change in your "warning." Thanks.68.1.89.162 (talk) 18:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Request denied. I asked you to start making constructive edits; up to now you are merely being disruptive. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Actually I haven't. I've been trying to fix this crappy article. I'm trying to add an external link. Why do you have to be such a wiki-nazi?68.1.89.162 (talk) 18:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
    • And thank you for proving Godwin's law. Drmies (talk) 18:44, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

And thanks for being a jerk. I didn't vandalize. You are not assuming good faith edits on my part, which they are. I request redaction of all warnings, as I'm not fucking vandalizing anything. 68.1.89.162 (talk) 18:45, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Good luck. You can try your luck at WP:ANI, and maybe you can get me blocked there for being a nazi. Drmies (talk) 18:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
• Tell me how my edits were vandalism.68.1.89.162 (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
  • The persistent reintroduction of text or links not in accordance with our guidelines, after this has been explained to you, without explanation but with cuss words, that is disruptive behavior. Calling other editors nazis (you already did in an edit summary) and jerks, that's very uncivil. Besides, my talk page is a fuck-free zone, except for some who have a special invitation. Have a nice day. Drmies (talk) 18:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Ahem* My previous edits do not have anything to do with the warning you gave. It sounds like you are friends with another editor and are holding person grudges against users. I will have to contact Wikipedia via e-mail about that. And I was only persistent because another link was done the exact same way on the page. I have removed it. Now please remove my warnings, and I am not a vandal. 68.1.89.162 (talk) 19:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

We on Wikipedia don't hold grudges. However, you did violate the three revert rule. Coasterlover1994^{Leave your mark!} 19:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Coasterlover, you are an optimist! No, I don't really hold grudges either, but this Nazi-stuff has to stop. Drmies (talk) 19:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I will be writing an e-mail regardless with all 3 of your user names in it. I am not a vandal. And I can call you a Nazi all I want, it's not an attack if I think highly of them. Actually it would be a compliment. 68.1.89.162 (talk) 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

And to the IP editor, dude seriously? Why don't you just remove the warnings from your page yourself if they bother you so much. Good luck with that email. Millahnna (mouse)talk 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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Sashes

Many thanks for the appreciation. The line about Hynde and the map was actually was by user:Chzz who very kindly added it to take the article above the minimum size limit which it fell short of originally by a couple of words. Regards Motmit (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

SB 1070 Edits

Sometimes it helps resolve editor disputes if there is a 3rd party intermediary. Would you care to act as one to help us? I suggest you look at both his and my talk pages as I really have tried to talk this out with him and that will give you some background to work with.-65.185.178.220 (talk) 00:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

• I had a look, thanks. I think there's something to be said for both versions: the earlier one read better (less technical--that's appropriate to a lead) while yours had some useful content (but not such a well-formed reference). I hope you don't mind that I reverted to an earlier version--and it doesn't mean that I endorse the suggestion that it was vandalism! Drmies (talk) 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Did I say "thanks for your message" already? Thanks for your message. Drmies (talk) 00:22, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

webOS

Dude, leave the webOS article alone. I'm organizing an effort to add more reference materail. STOP REMOVING THE COMMUNITY SECTION! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bshedwick (talk • contribs) 00:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

• Wow, your teachers must have really loved you and your behavior. Drmies (talk) 16:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

thanks

thanks for your input regarding the anon. In fact, the long standing summary has been agreed upon by various editors per WP:LEAD. I'm assuming that this will be reverted again in the next days. As for me, I'm done for now; I don't have too much time to waste on someone like that. Cheers! Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 00:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

• Seb, thanks for the note--but I do believe that these were good-faith efforts. There is a section on the talk page for this? If so, please post the link, here or on the IP's talk page. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 00:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I'll get to that later. Need to distract myself for now... tedious stuff like that isn't always healthy ;) ... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 00:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I'm OK with your removing the warnings, they've been received by now anyways. Actually, the npa-warning was for lecturing another editor about his inability to do "grade school math", and other arrogant attack-stunts. This IP (SPI) has a short but aggressive history, hence I might have shot over the rim a bit. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 00:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I didn't know that--should have looked a little harder. Thanks for your note Seb, and again, my apologies if I overstepped my boundaries. As for distracting oneself: I made some mushroom-filled ravioli (well, someone else made them for me) and pesto, fresh from the garden, and I'm having a ridiculously expensive beer. You should try that! Drmies (talk) 00:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
      • Ravioli sounds good, but I am strictly non-alcoholic. Btw, no-one "oversteps boundaries", the opposite is true, it helped me not to get tangled up in some silly edit-war, or "lose it" in some other fashion. Thanks, you're on my watchlist now. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 00:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
        • Hmm they are far from notable anyways. If you ever change your life's philosophy, give them a try. I'm considering a sex change, to see if I'll still be an asshole if I'm a girl. Take care Seb; I've seen you around and you're doing good work, and I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 01:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I noticed you have both merged and torn to shreds the Mirpoix /Soffritto pages.

Deleting practically all the text relating to the Italian method of cooking and its applications, I also notice that you did this without discussion. Care to explain? Also, do you have an interest in the actual subject or are you just patrolling Wikipedia on pages you're not well versed in? 78.150.192.118 (talk) 16:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

• Wow, that's a nice way to open a conversation. Since you ask this way, no, I don't care to explain this to you, but I'll give you some letters: WP:RS and WP:V. One more suggestion: if you want to cuss at me some more, look below the edit screen while you're doing it, where it says "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable." Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Concerning Google-fu

In reply to this, I usually search for the most general first, and then refine the searches when I get too many irrelevant hits. In this case I didn't even try searching for the Islamic name, as there are too many possible spelling variants, so I simply did a Google Books search for "De Veenboer", fully expecting to get too many false positives for it to be of any use. It was just luck that the first hit was a children's book with some coverage of our De Veenboer, and the third was the book that I cited in the AfD discussion. You were certainly right to question that "1620 Deaths" book - we can't source articles from Wikipedia mirrors. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks Phil. Listen, ever since I nominated that article (and I didn't enjoy doing so, but AfD sometimes helps improve articles) I've had this Neil Diamond song in my head. Now, Neil Diamond is great, but "Soolaimon" sucks. Later! Drmies (talk) 19:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Sheet pan

This information is cited and is formatted better than the above paragraph format. It definitely is encyclopedic and serves as a strong reference in table format. -dchoy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dchoy (talk • contribs) 16:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

• Commercial websites should not function as references. Drmies (talk) 16:44, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I think what the good doctor means is that websites that promote specific products or services should not be used as references for those products or services (the New York Times is a commercial website that is usually considered to be a reasonable reference). ^Bongo_matic 17:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Bongo--for the compliment as well. Drmies (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

drmies is a JEW

This user is part of the Goy cabal aiming for world-dominance.

drmies is a JEW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.100.174.159 (talk) 02:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

if so, what's your point? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 02:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Haha, look at the user's other contributions (note: I saw that you saw--thanks for keeping it clean). BTW, Seb, I have been accused of being a zionist because of the "Jewish" star on my user page look at the top, right. Come to think of it, this is the first time someone calls me a Jew--I am honored. Shalom, 72.100.174.159! Drmies (talk) 02:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Hehe, the five-pointed "Bacon Cabal" star is a Jewish star? That's a good one! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Seb--I'm moving that to my user page right now. Are you joining? Remember, you can't be Jewish! Oh, hey, HalfShadowyou're back: welcome back! Have a Piraat! Now stop devandalizing my talk page! Drmies (talk) 03:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I am not kidding, Mandarax--I was (take a deep breath) accused over the phone at my place of employment by the subject of a Wikipedia article who was running in a primary for some state office in Florida that I was aiming to delete his article because he had a moderate, well-balanced stance on the question of Israel and I was clearly a Zionist with an agenda both on- and off-wiki. Phew. That was fun, but only afterwards. Yes! A bacon star! That was the weirdest wiki moment I ever had. You're really an insomniac? I love sleep. Drmies (talk) 02:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

re African immigration to the United States

Hi Drmies. I'm trying to figure out what is going on here... for instance, in this edit, if I'm reading it right, you reverted the addition of some bluelinked bios to the article. How come? This was a reversion of 23 edits by User:69.180.253.113; you have peppered his talk page with warnings, but why? I haven't looked at the individual edits, but the sum of the 23 edits show here looks at least defensible. He added Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and that person has a Wikipedia article. According to the article she was born and partly raised in Somalia, and now lives in the United States. And so forth. If these people have articles, and are African, and have emigrated to the United States, what is the rationale for excluding them? Herostratus (talk) 04:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Ufuoma Ejenobor

Re your message: The article has been restored by the editor, though this time with references. Some of the references are not very good, but it does seem that she is notable in some regard. The article is a mess though. I agree that the puffery is a little over the top. I suspect that this goes beyond a fan. Checking the photos uploaded for the article, the person is likely to be much closer than a fan such as a friend or PR agent. It appears to me to be somebody much closer than just an enthusiastic fan who happened to get into multiple award ceremonies. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)