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[[Automobile|Cars]] can come in a large variety of different '''body styles'''. Some are still in production, while others are of historical interest only. These styles are largely (though not completely) orthogonal to a [[car classification|car's classification]] in terms of price, size and intended broad market; the same car model might be available in multiple body styles. |
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'''Quickpolls''' are polls among Wikipedia regulars on issues that need to be quickly resolved. |
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== Styles in current use == |
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==Policies== |
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You are responsible for reading [[Wikipedia:Quickpolls policy]] before using this page. Quickpolls are '''not''' for arbitrary issues between users. |
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;'''[[Cabriolet]]''': Another term for a convertible. |
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Concluded polls should be moved to [[Wikipedia:Quickpolls/Archive]] (which also includes an example poll). |
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;'''[[Convertible]]''': A car style with a removable or retractable roof. |
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;'''[[Coupe]]''' (US) or '''Coupé''' (UK/EU): A 2-door, 2 or 4 seat car with a fixed roof. In some cases the rear seats are small and not intended for regular use; this is often called a 2+2. |
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;'''[[Estate car]]''': A [[British English]] term for what US residents call a ''station wagon''. |
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;'''[[Fastback]]''': a style of [[coupe]] in which the back slopes at a smooth angle from behind the front seats all the way to the tail. |
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;'''[[Hardtop]]''': Originally referred to a removable solid roof on a ''convertible''; later, also a fixed-roof car with no fixed window frames, which is designed to resemble such a convertible. The doors have no window surrounds. A ''pillarless hardtop'' (the most common kind) is completely open on the sides with the windows down. |
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;'''[[Liftback]]''': a style of [[coupe]] with a ''hatchback''; this name is generally used when the opening area is very sloped (and is thus lifted up to open). |
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;'''[[Limousine]]''': A [[chauffeur]]-driven car with a (normally glass-windowed) division between the front seats and the rear. |
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;'''[[People carrier]]''': A car usually containing 3 rows of seats, with a capacity of six or more passengers. Often with extra luggage space also. As opposed to a [[van]], people carriers are styled as a car, though more van-like than a [[station wagon]]. |
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;'''[[Roadster]]''': Originally a two-seat open car with minimal weather protection. A folding top might be fitted, along with side curtains, but there was no side glass. Modern roadsters still have two seats but have tops and side windows; the term means simply a ''convertible'' [[sports car]], similarly to ''spyder.'' |
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;'''[[Saloon]]''': The [[British English]] term for a ''Sedan''. |
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;'''[[Sedan (car)|Sedan]]''': 4 or more seating car with a fixed roof, full-height in the back, normally a 4 door; 2-door is rarer but they do occur (more so historically). This is the most common body style. In the U.S., this term has been used to denote a car with fixed window frames, especially on the doors, as opposed to the ''hardtop'' style where the frames if any wind down with the windows. As hardtops have become rarer, this distinction is no longer so important. |
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;'''[[Sportshatch]]''': term used by some manufacturers for a sporty coupé liftback or small estate variant. |
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;'''[[Sports utility vehicle]]''' (SUV): Derivative of off-road or four-wheel drive vehicles but with car-like levels of interior comfort and drivability. Also sometimes called a "soft-roader". |
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;'''[[Spyder]]''' (or '''Spider'''): similar to the ''roadster'' but originally even poorer weather protection. Nowadays means simply a convertible [[sports car]]. |
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;'''[[Hatchback]]''': Identified by a rear door including the back window that opens vertically to access a storage area not separated from the rest of the passenger compartment. May be 2 or 4 door and 2 or 4 seat. |
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;'''[[Pickup truck]]''': Medium sized truck-like car featuring a separate cabin and rear load area, combining functions of a car and a truck. |
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;'''[[Shooting brake]]''': A two-door estate car/station wagon in (somewhat antiquated) British usage. Often based on a higher-end car. |
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;'''[[Station wagon]]''': A car with an full-height body all the way to the rear; the load-carrying space created is accessed via a rear door or doors. |
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;'''[[Targa top]]''': A semi-convertible style used on some sports cars. The centre section of the roof is completely removeable, but fixed A and B pillars remain. An example is the [[Fiat X1/9]]. A similar arrangement, called a T-bar roof, has two removable panels and retains a central narrow roof section along the front to back axis of the car (e.g. [[Toyota]] MR2 Mk 1.) |
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;'''[[Utility vehicle]]''' (ute): [[Australian English]] term for a [[pickup truck]]. |
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;'''[[Van]]''': a utility vehicle with a fully enclosed load area, with seating usually for two people. Vans range in size from very small car-derived designs to medium-sized [[truck]]s. People carriers evolved from the van. |
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== Historical body styles == |
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Most early body styles were derived from those available in horse-drawn [[carriage]]s and used the [[coachbuilding]] terms for them, although often their application in the automobile differed from the carriage use. Other types were soon invented, and either used modifications of earlier terminology or wholly new terms to describe them. Some of these terms are occasionally used in modern model designations, but almost always inaccurately with respect to their historical meaning (e.g. [[Lincoln Town Car]], [[Volkswagen Phaeton]]). |
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;'''[[Brougham]]''': generally equivalent to a ''sedan'', but more likely to have closed rear quarters and sometimes more luxuriously trimmed. |
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;'''[[Coupe convertible]]''': A ''coupe'' with a ''convertible'' top, naturally. Fully enclosed with the top up and side windows up. Called a ''drophead coupé'' in the United Kingdom. |
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;'''[[Drophead coupé]]''': As a ''coupé'', but with a full convertible top. British terminology, and dropping out of use for most modern cars, though luxury British makes occasionally still use it. Compare American use of ''coupe convertible''; contrast with ''fixed-head coupé''. |
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;'''[[Fixed-head coupé]]''': British term for a standard coupé with a fixed solid roof, as opposed to a ''drophead coupé''. |
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[[User:FoxNewsIsShit|Userpage]] [[User_talk:FoxNewsIsShit|talk]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=FoxNewsIsShit contribs] |
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;'''[[Landau (car)|Landau]]''' : In automobiles, generally (inaccurately) synonymous with ''landaulet''; also used for a car with a ''simulated'' folding top and false [[landau bar]]s. This latter usage is still current. |
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;'''[[Landaulet]]''' : A car in which there is a roof over the front seats and the rear doors (possibly with a center row of seats) but with a folding convertible roof over the rear quarters. |
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Contributor's user ID violates our offensive username policy. See [[MediaWiki:VfD-User FoxNewsIsShit|vfd discussion]]. Suggest deletion of user account and any associated user talk pages or subpages. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] 14:50, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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;'''[[Phaeton]]''': An open car, normally describing a double or triple-row phaeton. There is often a folding fabric top but no side weather protection. |
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;'''[[Tonneau]]''': A car in which the rear compartment passengers enter through a rear, rather than side, door. Often completely open (no top). |
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'''Support''' |
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;'''[[Town brougham]]''': Equivalent to a ''town car'', but, as with the ''brougham'', more likely to have closed rear quarters. |
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;'''[[Town car]]''' : A car in which the front seats were open and the rear compartment closed, normally with a removable top to cover the front [[chauffeur]]'s compartment. The modern [[Lincoln Town Car]] derives its name, but nothing else, from this style. |
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# [[User:Danny|Danny]] 15:03, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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;'''[[Town landaulet]], [[Town landau]]''' : Combining the ''town car'' and ''landaulet'', this car is open over the driver's compartment, closed over the rear doors, and with an opening convertible top over the rear quarters. |
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# [[User:Tannin|Tannin]] 15:22, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) The username is ''way'' out of line. This is covered by existing policy (i.e., a Jimbo decree). There is no need for a poll. |
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# [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 16:59, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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'''Oppose''' |
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# I don't think this is covered by the policy (though I proposed adding it :) Ah, here 'tis buried: [[Wikipedia talk:Quickpolls/Archive1#Change username]]. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 15:09, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC) |
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'''Comments''' |
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* In general, instead of deletion, I support a combination of blocking and redirecting such userpages to [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Everyone using a username which is against policy|EUaUWiAP]], which should have a link at the top that you can follow if you've been blocked and want to request a username change. [[User:Sj|+sj]][[User Talk:Sj|+]] 21:09, 2004 Apr 9 (UTC) |
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* Strongly oppose: use [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Everyone using a username which is against policy]] and [[Wikipedia:Username]]. There can be polls on this, but not quickpolls. [[User:JRR Trollkien|JRR Trollkien]] 16:52, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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**I have taken the above vote out of the tally as the user placing the vote has not been here longer than 3 months, and therefore cannot vote in a Quickpoll, although they can comment (see the policy page linked to at the top of this page). [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 17:01, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*There is also [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Everyone using a username which is against policy]]. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 15:25, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC) |
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*What do you mean by "deletion of user account"? If it is deleted, the user can't be blocked, and anyone could recreate the account. Wouldn't blocking it be a better idea? [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 15:32, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC) |
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==User:I am sexy== |
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[[User:I am sexy|User page]] [[User talk:I am sexy|Talk]] |
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: Personally, I think that this page is being overused, however, I am going to suggest that [[User:I_am_sexy]] be banned for a period of 24 hours pending a longer ban. Her contributions to Wikipedia seem to be mostly self-promotional, she is trying to shock people, she is offending some, and she has forgotten that this is not a free forum for people to post whatever they want--it is a place for people to participate in building an encyclopedia. If we let her get away with what she is doing, there will be little justification for stopping other people from transforming the site into their own bulletin board/personal website. [[User:Danny|Danny]] 01:34, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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'''Support''' |
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# [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter | Talk]] 01:37, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] 01:38, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Bcorr|BCorr]]<font color=chartreuse>|</font>[[User talk:Bcorr|Брайен]] 01:39, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Rex]] 01:39, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#This user was blocked once. This user needed to stay blocked. But I guess some feel insisting on bureaucratic quickpolls and feeding trolls are more productive uses of time than working on encyclopedia articles. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|§]] 01:40, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 01:41, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) As per lengthy discussion of Vfd |
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# [[User:RadicalBender|R<small>ADICAL</small>B<small>ENDER</small>]][[User talk:RadicalBender|<small>★</small>]] 01:42, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Ambivalenthysteria|Ambivalenthysteria]] 02:03, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#As usual Hephaestos puts things very eloquently [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] | [[User talk:Decumanus|Talk]] 02:19, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#Block indefinitely. Hasn't this person ever heard of instant messaging? - [[User:Calmypal|Woo]][[User:Calmypal/Chess|d]][[User talk:Calmypal|row]] 02:23, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 02:27, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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# Said user is wasting our time. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 02:32, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 02:35, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# WP is not a chatroom / discussion forum, user is openly offensive, and vandalism. These outweigh the few useful contributions. --[[User:Merovingian|Merovingian]] ↕ [[User talk:Merovingian|Talk]] 07:08, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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#Agree with Merovingian and Calmypal and Hephaestos. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] 12:06, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#Changed vote to support. [[User:Jor|— Jor ]][[User talk:Jor|(Talk)]] 15:03, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#Waste of time. Any positive contributions are used to attempt to justify personal sex play. If you are clearly propositioning folks and have sex in the stacks of a library, they'll ask you to leave. If you volunteer at a library, re-shelf a few books, and maybe donate a book or two, and then start propositining random folks and having sex in the stacks, they'll '''still''' ask you to leave. --[[User:Wirehead|Wirehead]] 16:28, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Texture|Tεx]][[User Talk:Texture|<font color=red>τ</font>]][[User:Texture|urε]] 16:32, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) - This is an abuse of user space. Finally got around to reading all these comments and the pages in question. |
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'''Oppose''' |
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# I don't believe that this user is malicious. I would prefer we issue a warning - a clear statement of why her behavior is problematic, coupled with a statement of what she needs to do in order to stay. In fact, I would like this to be standard policy on such things, so that people are not banned without clearly and unequivocably rejecting the community's statement. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 02:05, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#Agree mostly with Isomorphic.--[[User:Node ue|Node]] 19:05, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#*A warning eh? How about [[User_talk:I_am_sexy|three or four]]? Yeah that'll help. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|§]] 02:31, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#**Let me clarify - those warning were by ''individuals'', none of whom individually has the authority to speak for the community. I'm talking about an official, rubber-stamped, one-time-only warning that says "Do x, y, and z, and stop doing a, b, and c, or we'll have tell you to leave." There's a difference between an receiving a single official statement backed by consensus, and receiving a flurry of individual notices. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 07:03, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# I agree with Isomorphic. A couple of vandalisms, and a couple of good contributions. A stern warning not to remove most information from pages should be enough.[[User:Moink|moink]] 02:22, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#Has been doing a good job of linking articles. [[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]] |
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# This feels like a witch hunt. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 08:59, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Silsor|silsor]] 09:28, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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# Witch hunt --[[User:Dittaeva|Dittaeva]] 12:58, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#*<strike>I don't see any policy prohibiting such user pages. [[User:Jor|— Jor ]][[User talk:Jor|(Talk)]] 13:54, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)</strike> |
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'''Comment''' |
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* I have contributed useful articles like [[virtual sex]]. I am not a troll and I just want to socialize with fellows while building an encyclopedia. I'm innocent. [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 01:45, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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** Could you please provide some evidence? [[User:Raul654|→Raul654]] 01:49, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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*** Check my contribs. I'm innocent... Schande!!! I can't understand why some fellows are so fanatic with blockings. [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 01:55, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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**Here's the full list for easy reference: [[Special:Contributions/I am sexy]] -- [[User:Bcorr|BCorr]]<font color=chartreuse>|</font>[[User talk:Bcorr|Брайен]] 01:59, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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***Yes Brian, I'm well aware of how to get a list of her contributions. Allow me to clarify - from spot checking Sexy's contributions, and I haven't really seen anything worthy of banning. Unless someone shows me evidence of trolling, I'm inclined to vote against a ban. [[User:Raul654|→Raul654]] 02:02, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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**This whole issue has me laughing my ass off. Wikipedians are such stereotypical geeks: ''one'' chick walks in the door and starts making eyes, and everyone goes nuts—half wanting to nail her right then and there on the floor, the other half wanting to push her back out the door. Good grief. [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]] 02:00, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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***I resent that blunt characterization. Like I've said before, if you were in a library and somebody loudly exclaimed that they wanted to have sex, I think you'd annoy/offend a lot of people. Some of us have no problem with "making eyes" but consider anybody who claims to require virtual sex to make friends with people to either be a troll or have some real problems with their sexuality. ;) --[[User:Wirehead|Wirehead]] 14:19, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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****To carry your analogy a bit further...if you had someone arrested for talking loudly about sex in a library and took them to court over it, I'd say you were overreacting. There was no malicious intent, nor any real harm done, after all. [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]] 15:30, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*****But (s)he's not being arrested, just being kicked out of the library, which is exactly what would happen. :) [[User:RadicalBender|R<small>ADICAL</small>B<small>ENDER</small>]][[User talk:RadicalBender|<small>★</small>]] 15:34, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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:Oh come now, the analogy is hardly accurate. Suppose you were in a library, and a small group pf people went over to the corner, and in a very quiet whisper, talked about having sex ? Would you be offended? [[User:I am Hot!|I am Hot!]] 14:36, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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::No, but I wouldn't classify her actions as quiet whisper. There is no such thing as a quiet whisper in a Wiki; everything can be overheard by all. --[[User:Wirehead|Wirehead]] 16:28, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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::Everything ''can'' be heard yes. But does it have to be? Martin changed the page name to stop it appearing as something rude on recent changes. She shouldn't have annouced it on the pump, that is true. But apart from that, nobody ''has'' to look at the page. What if she never goes "public" with it like that again? What if she, I, and anyone else in the know, just posted to the page every now and then to relieve stress after a hard days editting. We could agree to not put anything in the edit summaries if you like. Should she still be banned? Should I? [[User:I am Hot!|I am Hot!]] 17:46, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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:::In non-sex-oriented internet communities that have experienced similar issues, I'd say history is against you here. Every time this has come up elsewhere, users have gotten banned, and not necessarily just the instigator. There is a difference between an "Academic" and NPOV discussion of sex and a public sexual chat, especially given that the former demonstrates that the Wikipedia is a well-functioning and non-judgemental scholarly resource whereas the later merely hurts our reputation as a site. I'd even go so far as saying that it would be OK to advertise on one's user page that one is kinky and likes to have virtual sex and suggests a ''more appropriate forum'' for such activities. I don't think Martin's renaming is going to help much. On one hand, if you don't advertise you won't be found as easily. On the other hand, if you don't advertise, you increase the likelyhood that you will be stumbled upon and misinterpreted. I am not against sex here, but there are some places that are simply not appropriate for it. If these things really mean a lot to you folks, there's absolutely nothing stopping you from creating the WikipediaBar to allow you to, as you say, relieve stress. The thing is, [[User:I am sexy]] is not helping her case. When one frames a german phrase in an english site like she did when she said what she thought of admins, it's pretty reasonable to assume that it was not something she'd want to say to said person's face and, thusly, probably offensive. When one is told that their WikiSex page isn't necessarily appropriate and a debate is started, one shouldn't create a sex journal straight off. --[[User:Wirehead|Wirehead]] 18:29, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*The point is that [[User:I am sexy]] is using Wikipedia as a chat-room. I will change my vote if [[User: I am sexy]] stops and uses Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. Also, Mkweise, this is not the best place to look for cybersex, but there are many porn sites out there if you are looking. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 02:04, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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**Yes, and apparently there's a widespread notion that a little chatting is such a terrible threat to Wikipedia that the fire department needs to be called in right away. Meanwhile, everyone's gotten so used to the likes of Wik and Nico, that hardly anyone seems to notice their behavior anymore. |
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**And—I'm not sure what gave you the idea that I might be interested in cybersex, but am mildly offended by the implication that I wouldn't know how to find it if I were. :-) [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]] 03:47, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*[[User:I am Hot!]] is a sock puppet of this user. Or perhaps "imaginary friend" would be a better term. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 02:13, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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**I love it when technology can confirm the fairly obvious. ;) - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|§]] 02:17, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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**I am not &quot;I am hot&quot;. she is another girl. I dont know het. [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 02:18, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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**I have to step in here. I am certainly not the same person as "I am sexy" .I am a much better writer for starters. Sorry sexy, but it's true. [[User:I am Hot!|I am Hot!]] 02:16, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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***You just put a space in front of a period... - [[User:Calmypal|Woo]][[User:Calmypal/Chess|d]][[User talk:Calmypal|row]] 02:23, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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****So I did! What does this mean? [[User:I am Hot!|I am Hot!]] 02:50, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*Using [[Wikipedia:Sock puppet|Sock puppets]] in this manner is prohibited. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 02:27, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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**I am not a sockpuppet. please dont accusse me of thing i didnot. es ist nicht angemessen [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 02:34, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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***Sorry, I misread the logs. I confused the 00:47 edit to [[User talk:I am sexy/archive1]] with the 00:48 edit to [[User talk:I am sexy]], which occurred 12 seconds later. Apologies to both of you. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 04:39, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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*Despite all this, she does seem to have talent for writing porn. If this could somehow be applied to improving the project instead of abusing it. How about creating example sections for the various porn pages. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 02:34, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*You right and I apologise. The comment at VfD said that no pornography was actually taking place only chat, as a defence. So I wanted to see if Sexy would actually go very far. As you can see, she didn't even use a swear word. She didn't go as far as I did, and I never went far at all. But you are right. Sockpuppet accounts are bad. I am happy for mine to be deleted, though i won't do it myself cos I'm too chicken. It's me that wrote the good stuff btw[[User:I am Hot!|I am Hot!]] 02:40, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*Further clarifying my vote above: I am not arguing that this user has been useful so far. I think she would probably be better off somewhere else. However, while she's not here to build an encyclopedia, she's also not here to deliberately damage Wikipedia.**That's an important distinction, IMO, since I think that [[Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers]] applies to all non-malicious users. If a user is deliberately damaging Wikipedia, then I support banning ASAP. If a user is simply misguided and cantankerous, then they should have one (and only one) chance to comply with an official ultimatum ''before'' being banned. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 07:34, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*Iamsexy came back last night as 141.76.1.121, which I immediately blocked as a violation of her 24 hour blocking. [[User:RickK|Rick]]'''[[User talk:RickK|K''']] 14:46, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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**All she did was make one edit to Tim Starling's talk page, to ask him to check the logs again to prove that she and I are not the same person.She said shw would respect the ban so there wasn't rewally any need to block her again.[[User:I am Hot!|I am Hot!]] 14:53, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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***She violated the block. It's a standard action in such cases. [[User:RickK|Rick]]'''[[User talk:RickK|K''']] 01:50, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*It seems to me that [[user:I am sexy|I am sexy]] should not be put in the same category as vandals because she is a nice warm person. [[User:Plato|Comrade Nick]] |
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*:Moved from oppose due to newness of voter.[[User:Moink|moink]] 05:36, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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ACTION: When the poll reached 13/2, I took action and banned the user for 24 hours. I will place a notice on said user's TALK page. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 02:39, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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==User:JRR Trollkien== |
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[[User:JRR Trollkien|User page]] [[User talk:JRR Trollkien|Talk]] |
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: Nominate for 24hr temp-ban for trolling, misuse of quickpoll process, and other disruptive behaviour (under "rampage" and "a signed in user confesses to deliberate trolling"). [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 23:56, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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:'''Support temp-ban''' |
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#User has made 102 edits since 31 March. '''''Every single one of them''''' has been an attempt to incite, disrupt, or otherwise cause trouble. This account should be permanently banned. The use of a quickpoll to reach such a determination (and for a useless 24 hours if it's even effective) is a clear sign that the system for keeping this website running smoothly is terribly broken. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|§]] 00:01, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#Violated 3-revert rule on [[GNAA]]. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 00:03, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Texture|Tεx]][[User Talk:Texture|<font color=red>τ</font>]][[User:Texture|urε]] 00:15, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) - for reasons above. |
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#The user name says it all. Trolls are not welcome here. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 00:16, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Rex]] 00:18, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 00:20, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Moink|moink]] 00:20, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Danny|Danny]] 00:36, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Silsor|silsor]] 00:22, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) Permanent ban. |
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#[[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 00:24, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) I'm with silsor |
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#[[User:RadicalBender|R<small>ADICAL</small>B<small>ENDER</small>]][[User talk:RadicalBender|<small>★</small>]] 00:39, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Bcorr|BCorr]]<font color=chartreuse>|</font>[[User talk:Bcorr|Брайен]] 00:53, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]] 00:53, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter | Talk]] 01:37, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Ambivalenthysteria|Ambivalenthysteria]] 02:07, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] | [[User talk:Decumanus|Talk]] 02:23, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) permanent |
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#[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 02:29, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) make it longer than 24 |
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#--[[User:Node ue|Node]] 19:05, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 02:33, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 02:36, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Merovingian|Merovingian]] ↕ [[User talk:Merovingian|Talk]] 07:10, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Jor|— Jor ]][[User talk:Jor|(Talk)]] 13:54, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 18:08, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) I don't care about the name, just the "contributions". Case needs to go to arbitration for real sanctions, whether or not those are permanent. |
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:'''Oppose temp-ban''' |
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:'''Other''' |
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*I'd also point out this mailing list post from Jimbo [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-April/012060.html] with the subject header "Deliberate chain-yanking" as evidence I'm not alone in the above belief.- [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|§]] 00:06, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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** Jimbo later endorsed the quickpoll mechanism for dealing with trolls. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 00:11, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*Object: This quickpoll has not been properly announced on the appropriate user talk page, and is thus invalid according to the Quickpoll policy. [[User:JRR Trollkien|JRR Trollkien]] 00:32, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*To Isomorphic. There is no policy forbidding 'Troll' usernames. In any case, a different process has to be followed for usernames ehich are against policy (See [[User:TMC]] et al.). }[[User:JRR Trollkien|JRR Trollkien]] 00:32, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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**My objection is not that you have a troll user name, it's that you ''are'' a troll. Not only have you acted as one here, but the articles you're interested in make it pretty obvious that you're also a Slashdot troll. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 00:44, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*Silsor's "Permanent ban" comment is irrelevent. This quickpoll is for a 24h ban. You may want to ask for a referral to the Arbitration Committee |
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*Oppose. You can't define ''Troll'' except as someone you disagree with. Vandalism is one thing, but "Troll" is just someone YOU don't like. [[User:The Trolls of Navarone|The Trolls of Navarone]] 15:18, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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:See [[User:The Fellowship of the Troll]] for more evidence of this. |
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:'''Remedy''' |
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*I implemented the 24 hr ban as JRR T was tempering with the votes. There was support of 11/0 at the time. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 00:50, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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==User:Ed Poor== |
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[[User:Ed Poor|User page]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] |
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:[[User:Ed Poor]] ([[User talk:Ed Poor|talk]]) has blocked [[User:I am sexy]] and deleted her user page and [[User:I am sexy/WikiSex]]. All three were out of process and a abuse of sysop privileges. This user is experienced and knows what the rules are so there is no excuse for this behaviour. I feel that the community must make a statement that policies and procedures must be followed and hence propose a 24 hour de-sysopping. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 20:44, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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:[[Wikipedia:Block log]], [[Wikipedia:Deletion log]] |
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:'''Support disciplining ''' |
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:(vote here) |
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#Ed acts unilaterally all the time, assuming (correctly, it seems) that as a developer he is completely immune to any sanctions. If he is to be de-sysopped, he will also have to be de-developered. Could other developers do this or does it take Jimbo? --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 20:50, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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#I think that while he does not need de-sysopping or de-developering, this does warant some time away from Wikipedia, say 24 hours, after which he should definitely be allowed back with his original privellages intact.--[[User:Node ue|Node]] 19:05, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#*As the [[m:developer access|steward votes]] are apparently still ongoing, it is not clear who would be allowed to do this, but technically, any steward or developer could. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 22:21, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Moink|moink]] 21:02, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Ugen64|ugen64]] 21:53, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]] He should be strongly warned. He can't just go and violate the rules simply because he thinks he is Uncle Ed. |
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#[[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]] 00:59, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Tillwe|till we *)]] 12:58, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 16:50, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) I think a warning is in order, and since the vote is obviously with Ed, I'll vote up here (even though I think this vote means "support 24 hour de-sysopping"). Ed, you're an asset to this community, but recently you've taken to using admin powers to perform what I think we can agree are vigilante actions -- mob justice. I'll grant that the mob is with you, and that I am even frequently part of that mob (at least, I do frequently agree that the users you discipline are in need of it). But I think it's time to set aside these tactics -- Wikipedia can survive a little WikiSex in the corner (particularly if it's just Martin's bemused comments and one new user frantically trying to arouse the attentions of the community....and succeeding, it seems), certainly for the span of a day or two while we sort things out. I have great respect for you: that's why I say, I think it's time to stop doing things just because you know three people will instantly tell you "That may have been against policy, but THANK YOU!!!!" -- we can protect Wikipedia in other ways, and I know you believe that. If you want to talk about my comments, drop a note on my talk page (and leave a haiku, if you've time). I sense frustration in your recent actions, and I want to find a way of letting you vent without getting you in troubling situations. Sorry if this seems at all out of line -- I just think someone needs to say something other than "Way to go!" or "Ed should be de-sysopped!", and I figured if I wanted it said, I should say it. Peace to you. |
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:<s>[[User:Silsor|silsor]] 21:56, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) This action was taken unilaterally, but community support is the source of his privileges. Note that the user namespace is also used for such things as chess games and [[User:Silsor/lottery|lotteries]]. Whether or not this account was inappropriate is a personal moral judgement on Ed's part. [[User:Silsor|silsor]] 21:58, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)</s> Withdrawn on review of user's contributions. [[User:Silsor|silsor]] 22:02, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose disciplining''' |
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:(vote here) |
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#This account clearly meets the definition of an account created only for trolling or vandalism. The ban was entirely appropriate. The user is an obvious sockpuppet, ''clearly'' very familiar with our system and proceedures. Angela tmpbanned this user a few days ago, I did yesterday (for a whole 2 minutes before Martin unbanned "her"). -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter | Talk]] 21:04, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#*Looks like a visitor from the de: Wikipedia rather than a sockpuppet. [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]] 22:34, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#That user is clearly a vandal, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=History_of_sexuality&diff=3048507&oldid=3048486] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Sex&diff=3067048&oldid=3067041] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Human_sexuality&diff=3048519&oldid=3048513] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Fuck&diff=3048534&oldid=3048529] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Bisexuality&diff=3048545&oldid=3048539] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Moon_light_shadow&oldid=3066955] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User:Angela&diff=3088274&oldid=3088269] How many edits does it take? [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 21:59, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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#*"However, user accounts that perform a mixture of valid edits and vandalism should not be blocked in this manner. Instead, consider taking a quickpoll to decide whether accounts that go on a "vandalism spree" should be given an emergency temporary ban." ([[Wikipedia:Blocking policy]]). He made some actual edits, including creating [[virtual sex]], so there should have been a quickpoll. [[User:Ugen64|ugen64]] 22:12, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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#*Please note I am a she and [[feminist]] :-) [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 22:58, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#**Erik, was right, this user is pointing out glitches in our policy. So making one or two useful edits, gives you enough ammo to make 7 or 8 vandalisms. I can see where this will go (read: open troll season). [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 22:18, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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#*Whether the user was a vandal is not the question here. Ed didn't block her for vandalism, but, according to the reason in the block log, for "Running virtual-sex website at Wikipedia", i.e. for her WikiSex user subpage. And I don't see how that's any worse than chess games or lotteries etc. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 22:26, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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#**I don't see how that sub-page was in any way appropriate here. What is this a teen-chat or an encyclopedia? No I don't think the chess pages are appropriate either, but the users who created them are not vandals as far as I can tell, so I'd be willing to be more tolerable toward them. As I see it, the chess relaxes them, and helps keep '''useful''' editors happy. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 22:34, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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#***Sex is relaxive too and keeps everyone happy. [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 00:43, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#***Also note that having such subpages will probably increase the likelyhood that portions of or the entire wikipedia will end up in porn filters, which kinda ruins it as a resource for some people. Which is a pretty substantial difference between this and WikiChess. --[[User:Wirehead|Wirehead]] 00:41, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Danny|Danny]] 22:01, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Silsor|silsor]] 22:02, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Nico|Nico]] 22:04, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#Account was only used for trolling and vandalism, Ed was just the one who finally picked up the bait. The banning was overdue already. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 22:06, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# Oppose. Let's have a quickpoll on giving quickpolls a 24 hour time out! [[User:172|172]] 22:11, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# Oppose (although awarding a medal to Ed might be in order). - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|§]] 22:14, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#This is ridiculous. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Rex]] 22:17, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#I commend Ed for taking this action in this circumstance. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 22:20, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# Yes, Ed overreacted, but given the user and page in question, it's not that big a deal and can be easily undone. Ed has the good sense to know when he's gone too far and will not reblock the user or redelete the page. That doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants, of course, but he can be forgiven in this instance.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]][[User:Eloquence/CP|*]] 22:24, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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# His actions were out of line but do not warrant de-sysopping given the record of the user in question. A minor slap on the wrist will do. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 22:31, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#Support warning only. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|anthony]] [[User:Anthony_DiPierro/warning|(see warning)]] 22:33, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:TakuyaMurata|Taku]] 23:41, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) This has got to be ridiculous, the ridiculousest thing I have ever known. |
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#Ed saw a clear case of abuse and took action. Whether or not he acted within the letter of the rules, I believe he acted within the spirit of the project. Wikipedia is not a chat forum, and contributing an article here and there does not change that. I still wish Ed had acted with more consensus, and I do support a mild warning on those grounds. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 23:57, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Adam Conover|Conover]] 00:14, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) I agree -- no need for discipline, this was the right thing to do in this case. |
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# [[User:Bcorr|BCorr]]<font color=chartreuse>|</font>[[User talk:Bcorr|Брайен]] 00:53, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) Ed acted correctly. I'll ''also'' note this mailing list post from Jimbo [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-April/012060.html] with the subject header "Deliberate chain-yanking" |
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# From what I've read above, Ed definitely did the right thing. [[User:Raul654|→Raul654]] 02:05, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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# As much as I hate having support Ed, he did the right thing. [[User:Ambivalenthysteria|Ambivalenthysteria]] 02:08, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 02:37, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 03:39, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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# Oppose. Ed does what needs to be done because nobody else will do it when it needs to be done. [[User:RickK|Rick]]'''[[User talk:RickK|K''']] 04:02, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# Staunchly oppose. This is an encyclopedia. Users who are not interested in using it as such are welcome to find another Wiki to mess around with. "Deliberate chain-yanking" indeed. [[User:Jeeves|Jeeves]] 06:07, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# Oppose. Arguments above. [[User:Ruhrjung|Ruhrjung]] 06:30, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 12:30, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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# [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 13:24, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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# Oppose. To use the word of the day: "witch hunt". [[User:Jor|— Jor ]][[User talk:Jor|(Talk)]] 13:54, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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#[[User:Texture|Tεx]][[User Talk:Texture|<font color=red>τ</font>]][[User:Texture|urε]] 16:34, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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# Oppose. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] 01:39, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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:'''Comments''' |
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*Support. [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 22:35, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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** Removed. Ineligible to vote with # of contribs, etc. |
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*See my note at [[Wikipedia:Possible abuse of User namespace]]—we do not currently have a consensus policy as to which uses of one's user space are acceptable or not. Blocking and deleting a user with no policy to back up such an action was a very bad call. [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]] 21:03, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*As it was mentioned that I had previously tempbanned this user, I feel I should point out that all of her edits at the time were simple vandalism ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=History_of_sexuality&oldid=3048507], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Bisexuality&oldid=3048545], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Fuck&oldid=3048534], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Human_sexuality&oldid=3048519], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Sex&oldid=3067048]). She had been warned twice [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:I_am_sexy&oldid=3087015] by Meeler and Maximus Rex and was listed on [[Wikipedia:vandalism in progress|vandalism in progress]]. I think this was a totally justified block, and should not used to argue whether or not the block made by Ed Poor was justified. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 22:15, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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*I think I deserved somewhat better treatment than blocking and user page deletion. isn't this a <i>free</i> wiki? [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 22:38, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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**Nope, this is not a free wiki. But hey, you can make a wiki yourself. It's actually fairly painless if you have some slight skill with computers already. see: http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/ . Have fun! [[User:Kim Bruning|Kim Bruning]] 00:27, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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**This is a wiki to build a free encyclopedia. Not the same thing. [[User:Fabiform|fabiform]] | [[User talk:Fabiform|talk]] 23:06, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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***But your sysops seem to ignore the policy too often. You have succeedd in creating a free encyclopedia, but your community isn't yet. A free community has policies which guarantee the freedoms of each member. But in Wikipedia I have experiences discrimination, name calling (troll), censorship (deletion of user pages) and such things. If this is your ideal of a wiki community, then very soon you should start to experience the pain of drop outs and forks. How will you feel after a fork will become more succesful than Wikipedia because of its free community and good policies? [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 23:27, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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****I for one would actively encourage such forks, built on that philosophy. In fact I think there already are several. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|§]] 23:29, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*****Can you introduce me to these forks? [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 23:32, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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******[http://www.slashdotsucks.com:8080/wik/ McFly] springs immediately to mind. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|§]] 23:55, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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****(Not voting) Then we'll get users who sign up just to muck around with the Wiki concept and not contribute anything. How would that help improve our content? [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 23:31, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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******I contributed articles and I continue editing. [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 23:32, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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******* I wasn't referring to you though - I'm talking about others who may come, and exploit this possible permissivity. The Wikipedia's built for making an encyclopedia, not for socializing - if I want to socialize or whatever online, I usually take it somewhere else... [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 23:36, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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******** But you tolerate WikiChess, lotteries and such things when done by old members. It isn't fair to discriminate against newcomers. [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 23:39, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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********* Noone is discriminating against newcomers; we're discriminating against users who are here primarilly to do something other than work on an encyclopedia. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 00:35, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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**** In fact, the ability to fork is a powerful part of the "open" development process that the Wikipedia has been using. There is no fear of fork, in fact, the GFDL intentionally reserves you that right. The problem is, saying that you want to form a Wikipedia fork that reserves your right to have WikiSex whenever you want is not really much of a reason for all of the other users of the Wikipedia to want to join your fork. --[[User:Wirehead|Wirehead]] 23:48, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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***** I find your community unfriendly but perhaps I can find a home in some wiki fork. Please can you introduce me to some of the wikipedia forks where I can edit articles, meet people, etc? [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 23:51, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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****** Make your own fork if it's that important to you. For less than $10 the other night, with 30 minutes of my time, I installed Mediawiki at [http://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/]. If it's important to you then you should do it yourself instead of demanding somebody cater to your whims. [[User:Jdavidb|Jdavidb]] 18:40, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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******I recommend [http://www.slashdotsucks.com:8080/wik/ this fork] for all your "I am sexy" needs - [[User:Texture|Tεx]][[User Talk:Texture|<font color=red>τ</font>]][[User:Texture|urε]] 23:57, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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******damn its server is slow. [[User:I am sexy|I am sexy]] 00:06, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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*******I can't believe no has mention [http://wikinfo.org wikinfo] yet. That's where users such as yourself are welcomed. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 00:22, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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****** Thanks, but No Thanks. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 12:33, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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****** Unfriendly is a funny word. If you walked into a real library and announced that you wanted to have sex with random people right there in the library, near the encyclopedias, are they unfriendly or did you merely cross an unwritten social line and offend people? You are not being persecuted, you have a persecution complex. The Wikipedia itself lists forks at [[Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks]] --[[User:Wirehead|Wirehead]] 00:07, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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******If we do, do we finally get to see those naked pictures of you that you mention on your user page? [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]] |
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*******OK you'll have to be quick, because, someone is bound to edit it out but user:Woodrow replaced a perfectly innocent picture that I posted of user:lucinda in bunny ears, with a picture of her completely naked! Lucinda and I have both demanded that he is punished for this.[[User:I am Hot!|I am Hot!]] 16:59, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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'''Further comment''' |
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*I changed the headings above re support or not support because I think they are now clearer for newbies. Ok , undoubtedly someone will change them back if they don't agree. [[User:Moriori|Moriori]] 23:33, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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**I oppose the spelling - and have changed it to suit my dictionary fetish. - [[User:Texture|Tεx]][[User Talk:Texture|<font color=red>τ</font>]][[User:Texture|urε]] 23:48, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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***Aw shucks. Fifty per cent not good enough for you? ): [[User:Moriori|Moriori]] 00:00, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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Cars can come in a large variety of different body styles. Some are still in production, while others are of historical interest only. These styles are largely (though not completely) orthogonal to a car's classification in terms of price, size and intended broad market; the same car model might be available in multiple body styles.
Styles in current use
- Cabriolet
- Another term for a convertible.
- Convertible
- A car style with a removable or retractable roof.
- Coupe (US) or Coupé (UK/EU)
- A 2-door, 2 or 4 seat car with a fixed roof. In some cases the rear seats are small and not intended for regular use; this is often called a 2+2.
- Estate car
- A British English term for what US residents call a station wagon.
- Fastback
- a style of coupe in which the back slopes at a smooth angle from behind the front seats all the way to the tail.
- Hardtop
- Originally referred to a removable solid roof on a convertible; later, also a fixed-roof car with no fixed window frames, which is designed to resemble such a convertible. The doors have no window surrounds. A pillarless hardtop (the most common kind) is completely open on the sides with the windows down.
- Liftback
- a style of coupe with a hatchback; this name is generally used when the opening area is very sloped (and is thus lifted up to open).
- Limousine
- A chauffeur-driven car with a (normally glass-windowed) division between the front seats and the rear.
- People carrier
- A car usually containing 3 rows of seats, with a capacity of six or more passengers. Often with extra luggage space also. As opposed to a van, people carriers are styled as a car, though more van-like than a station wagon.
- Roadster
- Originally a two-seat open car with minimal weather protection. A folding top might be fitted, along with side curtains, but there was no side glass. Modern roadsters still have two seats but have tops and side windows; the term means simply a convertible sports car, similarly to spyder.
- Saloon
- The British English term for a Sedan.
- Sedan
- 4 or more seating car with a fixed roof, full-height in the back, normally a 4 door; 2-door is rarer but they do occur (more so historically). This is the most common body style. In the U.S., this term has been used to denote a car with fixed window frames, especially on the doors, as opposed to the hardtop style where the frames if any wind down with the windows. As hardtops have become rarer, this distinction is no longer so important.
- Sportshatch
- term used by some manufacturers for a sporty coupé liftback or small estate variant.
- Sports utility vehicle (SUV)
- Derivative of off-road or four-wheel drive vehicles but with car-like levels of interior comfort and drivability. Also sometimes called a "soft-roader".
- Spyder (or Spider)
- similar to the roadster but originally even poorer weather protection. Nowadays means simply a convertible sports car.
- Hatchback
- Identified by a rear door including the back window that opens vertically to access a storage area not separated from the rest of the passenger compartment. May be 2 or 4 door and 2 or 4 seat.
- Pickup truck
- Medium sized truck-like car featuring a separate cabin and rear load area, combining functions of a car and a truck.
- Shooting brake
- A two-door estate car/station wagon in (somewhat antiquated) British usage. Often based on a higher-end car.
- Station wagon
- A car with an full-height body all the way to the rear; the load-carrying space created is accessed via a rear door or doors.
- Targa top
- A semi-convertible style used on some sports cars. The centre section of the roof is completely removeable, but fixed A and B pillars remain. An example is the Fiat X1/9. A similar arrangement, called a T-bar roof, has two removable panels and retains a central narrow roof section along the front to back axis of the car (e.g. Toyota MR2 Mk 1.)
- Utility vehicle (ute)
- Australian English term for a pickup truck.
- Van
- a utility vehicle with a fully enclosed load area, with seating usually for two people. Vans range in size from very small car-derived designs to medium-sized trucks. People carriers evolved from the van.
Historical body styles
Most early body styles were derived from those available in horse-drawn carriages and used the coachbuilding terms for them, although often their application in the automobile differed from the carriage use. Other types were soon invented, and either used modifications of earlier terminology or wholly new terms to describe them. Some of these terms are occasionally used in modern model designations, but almost always inaccurately with respect to their historical meaning (e.g. Lincoln Town Car, Volkswagen Phaeton).
- Brougham
- generally equivalent to a sedan, but more likely to have closed rear quarters and sometimes more luxuriously trimmed.
- Coupe convertible
- A coupe with a convertible top, naturally. Fully enclosed with the top up and side windows up. Called a drophead coupé in the United Kingdom.
- Drophead coupé
- As a coupé, but with a full convertible top. British terminology, and dropping out of use for most modern cars, though luxury British makes occasionally still use it. Compare American use of coupe convertible; contrast with fixed-head coupé.
- Fixed-head coupé
- British term for a standard coupé with a fixed solid roof, as opposed to a drophead coupé.
- Landau
- In automobiles, generally (inaccurately) synonymous with landaulet; also used for a car with a simulated folding top and false landau bars. This latter usage is still current.
- Landaulet
- A car in which there is a roof over the front seats and the rear doors (possibly with a center row of seats) but with a folding convertible roof over the rear quarters.
- Phaeton
- An open car, normally describing a double or triple-row phaeton. There is often a folding fabric top but no side weather protection.
- Tonneau
- A car in which the rear compartment passengers enter through a rear, rather than side, door. Often completely open (no top).
- Town brougham
- Equivalent to a town car, but, as with the brougham, more likely to have closed rear quarters.
- Town car
- A car in which the front seats were open and the rear compartment closed, normally with a removable top to cover the front chauffeur's compartment. The modern Lincoln Town Car derives its name, but nothing else, from this style.
- Town landaulet, Town landau
- Combining the town car and landaulet, this car is open over the driver's compartment, closed over the rear doors, and with an opening convertible top over the rear quarters.