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'''Barre''' is a town located in [[Orleans County, New York]]. As of the [[2000]] census, the town had a total population of 2,124. The Town of Barre was incorporated in 1818 and is on the south border of the county. The town contains the communities of Barre Center and West Barre.
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== Geography ==
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According to the [[United States Census Bureau]], the town has a total area of 142.7 [[square kilometer|km&sup2;]] (55.1 [[square mile|mi&sup2;]]). 142.6 km&sup2; (55.1 mi&sup2;) of it is land and 0.02% is water.
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== Demographics ==
If you have any questions, see the [[Wikipedia:Help|help pages]], add a question to the [[Wikipedia:village pump|village pump]] or ask me on [[User_talk:snoyes|my talk page]]. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]!
As of the [[census]] of [[2000]], there are 2,124 people, 739 households, and 582 families residing in the town. The [[population density]] is 14.9/km&sup2; (38.6/mi&sup2;). There are 772 housing units at an average density of 5.4/km&sup2; (14.0/mi&sup2;). The racial makeup of the town is 97.74% White, 0.52% [[African American]], 0.28% [[Native American]], 0.09% [[Asia|Asian]], 0.09% Pacific Islander, 0.66% from other races, and 0.61% from two or more races. 1.37% of the population are [[Hispanic]] or [[Latino]] of any race.


There are 739 households out of which 38.6% have children under the age of 18 living with them, 66.6% are married couples living together, 7.2% have a female householder with no husband present, and 21.2% are non-families. 16.8% of all households are made up of individuals and 7.6% have someone living alone who is 65 years of age or older. The average household size is 2.87 and the average family size is 3.22.
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In the town the population is spread out with 28.8% under the age of 18, 6.5% from 18 to 24, 29.6% from 25 to 44, 25.3% from 45 to 64, and 9.8% who are 65 years of age or older. The median age is 36 years. For every 100 females there are 106.8 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there are 102.4 males.
[[User:Snoyes|snoyes]] 20:07, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)


The median income for a household in the town is $44,545, and the median income for a family is $47,411. Males have a median income of $32,284 versus $21,193 for females. The per capita income for the town is $17,129. 6.3% of the population and 4.5% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total people living in poverty, 6.7% are under the age of 18 and 8.2% are 65 or older.
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==Archives==
*Archive1: [[User talk:UtherSRG/Arch1]]
*Archive2: [[User talk:UtherSRG/Arch2]]
*Archive3: [[User talk:UtherSRG/Arch3]]
*Archive4: [[User talk:UtherSRG/Arch4]]
*Archive5: [[User talk:UtherSRG/Arch5]]

==Thanx for welcoming me==

Hi! Thanks for leaving me aa little welcome message![[User:Frogprincess1312|Frogprincess1312]] 06:20, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Well that's all I had to say :-D [[User:Laudaka|Laudaka]] 14:29, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice welcome - [[User:Drago9034|Drago9034]] 05:04, Jan 29, 2004 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for the welcome!
[[User:Mark Richards|Mark Richards]]

Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia my goal is to do the best that I can to help improve wikipedia in all of the areas that I can. [[User:Quadra23|Daniel]].

Thanks for the welcome note. Helped me understand the User talk thing, and was encouraging. I've been editing modestly for a while now. You set a nice tone for friendly welcoming which invites new users to feel at home. [[User:Kd4ttc|Kd4ttc]] 03:00, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for welcoming me. However I guess I stay on the German Wikipedia project and just add the inter wiki links here. -- [[User:MichaelHaeckel|MichaelHaeckel]] 19:18, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. I really don't know anyone around here yet, and it was nice to know that somebody cared! [[User:Jeru|Jeru]] 11:07, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Um, I'm not sure how to leave messages on this just yet, but you can always delete this, right? Thanks for the welcome message. Sorry about the inappropriate link. &#12300;[[User:Jeshii|Jeshii]] 12:57, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)&#12301;

Thanks for your welcome. (I'm sure you welcome my thanks or do you want to say
thanks for the thanks. Then I should say thanks for your thanks....ad infinitum.....) :)
I still need to understand the copyright thing. I'd like to upload a
rewrite or summary of the 'Waking the Tiger book' under a wikipedia article 'How to Heal Traumas' .
Sorry to all wikipedians for the copyright infringements.(they were deleted)
Best regards, [[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 04:38, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This just one more thank you for one more kind welcome written by you.
[[User:Hgfernan|Hgfernan]] 08:45, 13 May 2004

Oh yes, it's taking me a while to find my way around talk pages and stuff, but I was very pleased with the welcome you gave me, too. Thanks, and keep up the good work. [[User:Tonusperegrinus|Tonusperegrinus]] 20:28, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, what they said :o] [[User:Porge|porge]] 02:45, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! [[User:Sir Trollsalot|Sir Trollsalot]] 07:00, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Me too! [[User:Palnu|Palnu]] 03:32, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

And thanks! [[User:David Sneek|David Sneek]] 06:36, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

==Adminship==
Hello Uther, I've [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship|nominated]] you for [[Wikipedia:Administrators|adminship]], as I think you've done a fine job here. Please visit the nomination page to accept or decline your nomination. [[User:Chris Roy|Chris Roy]] 20:00, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi Uther: Congratulations on your nomination! Thanks for the note; deal with it as you see fit. - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 12:35, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

:You made it, with the most overwhelming consensus I've seen in my 2.5 years here! --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] 20:08, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

==Primates==
I'm just trying to bring things in line with the 2000 interdisciplinary meeting of primatologists, taxonomists, conservationists, geneticists, etc. in Orlando. There they recognised five families of Neotropical primates, 40 species of galago, five gorilla subspecies, two orang-utan species, and a fourth chimp subspecies. At that time, there were something like 310 primate species and 608 subspecies. This has increased since then with discoveries in Brazil, Madagascar, etc.

It's going to be such a gargantuan project trying to fix all of this. The trees are going to be a pain, and I'm still debating whether or not I should do them all the way down to the subspecific level, as that's going to double or triple the work for me. Also, there's so much disagreement regarding the placement of the higher taxa. Wish me luck, I guess. [[User:Pajamacore|Pajamacore]] 17:36, 2004 May 11 (UTC)

:Excellent stuff! This is the kind of influx of data I've been hoping for. If you can, post on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Primates]] with a link to all the new info so that I and others interested can help tackle it. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 17:41, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

== thanks for the APL math notation ==

Thanks for your work on [[APL programming language]]. Is there any possibility that you can make a second version of the operator table? Most of it doesn't even display in my browser; maybe it'd be better to have "APL operators in Unicode" and "APL operators in math-mode" tables... [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] 15:43, 2004 May 12 (UTC)

I'm working on it. *grins* I'm about to upload an APL keyboard image. No permission yet, so I'll only put it in the talk page for now. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 15:48, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

==Chris 73 on TV (not) ==

:You can now increase your [[Wikipedia:Are You a Wikipediholic Test|wikipedia score]] by 5 ;-) <br>
:(see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Are_You_a_Wikipediholic_Test&diff=0&oldid=3638133 here]) -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] | [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 00:24, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Crap. I'm up to 145 now. *grins* - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 00:58, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

==msg boxes==
Hi Uther - do you know how to make these? I'd like to make a <nowiki>{{msg:Pinophyta}}</nowiki> to put at the bottom of each family page to replace my existing links line. Thanks - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 12:43, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
:Yup. The messages are created on th MediaWiki namespace. Any page there is accessible as a message. You want [[Template:Pinophyta]]. You'll then want to add it to [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki_custom_elements#Biology]]. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 15:39, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
::Many thanks! - let me know what you think of it - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 21:06, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
:::Having done it, I'm not so sure I like it after all . . . changes in a linked family no longer show up in 'Related changes' (which was very useful) - maybe I'll get rid of it and go back to the old style. Any thoughts yourself? - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 22:30, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
::::I dunno. I'm still deciding if I like those kind of navboxxes for taxoarticles. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 05:12, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

==Gray v Grey==
I've moved the langur article to [[grey langur]]. Since it's written by a Brit about an Asian species (where British English is the norm, especially in India and Sri Lanka), it's quite unacceptable to unilaterally Americanise the spelling. I don't change [[Gray-cheeked Thrush]] to the UK spelling, and I don't expect Americanisation of non-American topics. (incidentally, this page is 44k now) [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 04:52, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:I think part of the problem is that publishers end to use US spellings to maximise their markets. ''Handbook of Birds of the World'' uses gray even for Eurasian species like [[Grey Wagtail]], but I change the spelling to grey for Old World species. The Wikipedia policy on US/UK spelling is clear, and I think that where appropriate the "world list" spelling should be adjusted to the expected form. Sorry if I over-reacted, but you know what a touchy topic this is with Europeans. [[User:jimfbleak|Jim]]

== Moving Triglav (god) to ... (mythology) ==

You moved Triglav (god) to Triglav (mythology). I think it's a mistake. The majority of pagan gods are listed as (god). For example Jupiter_(god). What is your reasoning for moving the article to an inconsistent place? [[User:Gene s|Gene s]] 12:00, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:My understanding is that the majority are not (god) but (mythology). - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 12:03, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:: I don't understand. Do you propose to move all pagan gods to (mythology)? If not, what's the difference between, say Slavic Triglav and Roman Jupiter? What's the criteria? [[User:Gene s|Gene s]] 12:39, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:::Triglav is the one that caught my eye. Nothing more. Yes, they should all be moved. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 12:42, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:::: OK. So, will you move all the Roman & Greek gods as well - Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Saturn, Neptune, Eros etc.? Seems like a lot of work for no gain. And inconsistency too. And possible objections from neo-paganists. [[User:Gene s|Gene s]] 12:50, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:This is being debated at [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions#Deities_and_mythology]] [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] 15:35, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

::Thanks for the pointer! - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 16:45, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Platypus ==
A non-registered user has changed the taxobox of [[Platypus]] into a non-standard format. Can you look into it and revert it ? [[User:JoJan|JoJan]] 11:56, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:Done! - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 12:33, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Category ==

I did not get your first message before making the second batch. I looked for a discussion on the issue - couldn't find one, and just started making them. I was working from the top down. First making the 3 domains, then all of the kingdoms below, then the phyla etc etc. I agree - the scientific names should most certainly be used - it's be very very silly to splice the two. We can always create a common-name alternative. --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 17:23, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

==ToL==

You said "no categories on ToL pages yet, please. see [[Talk:ToL]]", but this page doesn't exists. What is a ToL?

:The edit summary line is too short. That was shorthand for [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life]]. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 14:27, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

==Dead people==
You deleted [[:Category:Dead people]] from Categories for deletion after 1 day of open discussion, and, with a edit summary of delisting deleted categories ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia%3ACategories_for_deletion&diff=3953744&oldid=3947019]). Its not a life or death issue, i just hope you are not doing more of these funny things. [[User:Muriel Gottrop|Muriel G]] 14:20, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:Policy as I understand it: Categories that are listed and empty may be speedily deleted. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 14:27, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

::Agreed. Thing is that i actually wanted this category deleted. And since you removed the category from the page, before what i consider a reasonable time for discussion, the thing is still out there, making wikipedia look quite ridiculous. [[User:Muriel Gottrop|Muriel G]] 14:36, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== About those blank category pages... ==

I've been tracking RC for the past hour or so, and have been noticing that you're deleting a few blank category pages. I feel that I should warn you that there are (probably) over a hundred of those pages by now, most created by [[User:Fuelbottle|Fuelbottle]], and I would suggest you talk with him to figure out the rationale behind his creation of said pages as there's probably a reason they're there. -- [[User:Grunt|Grunt]] 03:02, 2004 Jun 13 (UTC)

:Heh. I just now left a message on his Talk page while you were leaving me this note. See my comments there if you are interested. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 03:04, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*watches with interest*</nowiki> -- [[User:Grunt|Grunt]] 03:05, 2004 Jun 13 (UTC)

== More category deletion ==
Could you please stop hammering categories through [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion]]? Currently there is really no way for people to know if categories are going to be deleted, until they suddenly disappear along with their work. [[:Category:Fungi]] had at least one article and several subcategories and was obviously appropriate for a very large number of articles. [[User:Silsor|silsor]] 14:54, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)

==restored pages==
I restored [[Jack of All Trades Season 1]] and [[Jack of All Trades Season 2]]. While I don't know if a list of episodes constitutes a copyrightable piece of work that thus requires attribution, preserving the authorship credit properly does no harm. [[User:Mirv|&#8212;No-One]][[User talk:Mirv|&nbsp;''Jones'']] 05:43, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

That's fine... but the lists have been merged up to the show's main page. There's no need for those pages since they were just a short table per page. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 05:46, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:I know there's no reason for these pages to exist, and they never should have been created in the first place. I only undeleted them to preserve the authorship credits; see [[Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Commenting_on_a_deletion_request]] (the last sentence) for policy on this sort of thing. [[User:Mirv|&#8212;No-One]][[User talk:Mirv|&nbsp;''Jones'']] 05:58, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Thanks re deletion ==

Thanks for deleting my unfortunately-named picture! :) --[[User:Nevilley|Nevilley]] 07:32, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== [[:Category:Cetaceans]]==

Actually that cetacean category either pre-dates or happened about at the same time as the very first ToL discussions (i.e. they had been stable for a week or so before the ToL discussion got serious) I figured that whatever is eventually agreed, it would pretty much fit with what had been done with that category so thought removing them and then adding them back again would be too much work for little gain. Hope that's ok. [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|Pete]] 22:57, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:Thanks for the kind words in your reply. A few things: I've dropped down my contribution for a week or two whilst I am busy with other things, thus I didn't get involved with the ToL categories debate and concentrated on a few pet projects like that new whale species. However I've read the debate and I think you are doing a great job there. If having the cetacean category around makes your life difficult in trying to get a general agreement and policy off the ground, then don't let me hold you back from deleting it. However I am finding the categories somewhat useful - there are a plenty of articles that fit into the category but are not taxa themselves - and because of this the category is a neat way of creating an automatic [[List of X-related topics]] article. I think we can further make the categories useful by subverting the sorting mechanism. I am envisioning using categories like <nowiki>[[Category:Cetaceans|Species:Blue Whale]], [[Category:Cetaceans|Species:Gray Whale]], [[Category:Cetaceans|Pressure group:Whale and Dolphin Conservation Trust]] </nowiki>. Thus the alphabetical ordering effectively gives us a topical ordering without having to resort to myriad sub-categories (my main gripe about categories in general is that people are making categories too small to be really useful) and wait for a software update that does special display for members of subcategories. That all said, I will likely be very happy to go along with any policy on categories that you and Tannin can bring yourself to accept. [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|Pete]] 18:03, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
::And thank you for your kind words. Sometimes I feel like I'm a tyrant, sometimes like a pussycat. I hope that I strke a good balance somewhere between the two. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 04:42, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)


== Vandalism ==

Can you restore the text of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob%27s_Ladder Jacob's ladder]. There has been a vandal at work. [[User:JoJan|JoJan]] 19:18, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:Looks lke the vandalism has already been restored. Also, it doesn't take an admin to restore vandalism. Anyone can go to the article history (using the "Page history" link) and select prior version to edit. Just make an appropriate entry in the "Edit summary" line indicating a revert, and (re)save the article. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 01:58, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

==Chimps==

Uther: you reverted the edits I made to [[Chimpanzee]] and [[Common Chimpanzee]], suggesting that we discuss the articles in a talk. I have outlined my case at [[Talk:Chimpanzee]]. I hope to see you there.

- [[User:Didactohedron|Didactohedron]] 21:07, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)

== tibetan macaque ==

i learned all about the semen of the tibetan macaque in the book "The Ape and the Sushi Master" by Franz DeWaal.

== tibetan macaque, part 2 ==

I should have explained more. Franz De Waal is a pretty famous primatologist. I think he is at the Yerkes Primate Center, and specializes in chimpanzee research, although his area of expertise is larger. Most of his books are academic, but the The Ape and The Sushi Master is aimed at a lay audience, which is how I ended up reading it. I believe that his information in the book is largely from personal observation, based on time he spent observing these animals in the wild and in zoos.

I realize that the semen story may not be the most important thing about the Tibetan Macaque, but it is the one thing that makes the Tibetan stand out among other macaques, and made the article more interesting. If I knew something interesting about all the different macaque species, I would have added those too. Actually, finding out (at least) one interesting thing about all the different macaque species is on my list of things to do. I don't know how this kind of conflict resolution happens in wikipedia (do i need to cite a page number or something?) but I hope that in the end, something more interesting can be said about each different species of macaque than what my article was replaced with.

==Format problem==
Hi Uther - I'm having formatting problems with the status codes on [[Cupressus]] (near the bottom of the page) - several of them (but far from all) are showing up as 'Template:StatusVulnerable' etc., instead of 'Status: Vulnerable' as they should. I can't work out what's wrong, they appear to be all correctly typed in the edit box. Can you do anything about them? - Thanks, Michael - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 10:45, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

:It looks like you've been hit by a security restriction. In order to prevent various nefarious vandalism possibilities, you can't use the same template more than N times in the same article (N used to be 5, but may have been increased a bit). If we want the status information for each species, we'll need to add the data directly, not through a template. Sorry I can't offer more than that. [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|Pete]] 10:54, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Um... I'd have to go with what Pete said. I've never seen it before, but it makes sense. My suggestion would be to put some symbol next to each species, then have a key below linking a symbol to a Status. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 21:20, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

::Ended up copying & pasting in the text from the template pages . . it works, even if it is very cumbersome on the edit page - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 19:42, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

==[[Houston Press]]==
Please undelete [[Houston Press]], an article you apparently speedily deleted today. It appears to be a valid stub. If you don't want to wikify and correct the typo please let me know and I'll take care of it. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 16:17, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

:Done. Have at! :) - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 16:28, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

::Saw this while looking in here, I've dealt with the obvious typo and put a link in, but no more - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 17:11, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

::Thanks. I've wikified it but doing more may have to wait on the locals, I expect. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 19:07, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

:::I've cleaned it a little more. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 19:43, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

== maintance of Wikipedia:Categories for deletion ==

Is there a particular reason why empty categories on [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion]] are sticking around so long? Is this policy (fine with me), or would it help to have another admin around to spread the work? This is the first admin thing I've seen that I felt like doing. ;) --[[User:Ssd|ssd]] 07:12, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

:AFAIK, there aren't many admins interested in CfD mainttenance. Help yourself! :) - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 08:26, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
::Point being, I'm not an admin yet... :) --[[User:Ssd|ssd]] 12:33, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

==Asparagus beetle==
Was wondering if you would mind looking at [[Asparagus Beetle]] to I need to move it to [[Asparagus beetle]] (I screwed upn capitalization) but I can't seem to [[User:Williamb|Williamb]] 07:01, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

:*grins* I was already working on it! *grins* - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 07:09, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

==Categories in Penguin articles==
Thank you for your note - I have been doing work on our penguin articles this evening. I have read the page you recommended and can see your very strong disagreement with categories. For what it is worth I merely followed the practice of German Wikipedia. However I have no desire to start an edit war over it - it matters so little to me. Would you rather people who are not participating in that Wikproject didn't edit articles in that area at all? It does seem very unwiki - but I was amazed at your passion against something which seems so trivial. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 22:28, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)


== Handling copyvio ==

I happened on the article : [[Louis Slotkin]]. This is a literal transcription of the webpage
[http://www.nuclearfiles.org/rebios/slotkinlouis.html Nuclear Files].

This is obviously a copyvio. Since I'm not quite familiar with copyvio procedure, could you handle this one for me ? [[User:JoJan|JoJan]] 08:27, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

:Can do. The procedure is located at [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems]]. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 11:53, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

== Cephalopod link ==

I noticed that you are working on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cephalopods]]. I'm no expert, but I recently ran across [http://www.tonmo.com The Octopus News Magazine Online]. Their Physiology and Biology forum is moderated by Dr. Steve O'Shea of New Zealand, one of the world experts on the giant squid, colossal squid, etc. You might want to troll around there looking for info; maybe you could get some of those folks to pitch in on Wikipedia! [[User:Gwimpey|Gwimpey]] 01:00, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

==[[User:Arevich]]==

I just reverted his deletion of comments I had written on [[Wikipedia:Votes_for_undeletion]]: "The degree to which you are taking this personally and resorting to ad hominem attacks illustrates one of the main reasons why we frown upon an author writing about himself or his personal achievements." Considering how I was responding to his slurs that we were "power-obsessed" and "self-important" for deleting "Aldeism", I did not think this was uncalled for. Regardless, as I'm sure you'll agree, deleting another user's comments on a discussion page is a highly inappropriate response. I'd appreciate it if you could take a look and maybe drop him a comment, as an admin. Thanks! [[User:Postdlf|Postdlf]] 20:01, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

: I (regretfully) admit to being torn between the impulse to tone this Aldeism conversation down and the impulse to indulge my bruised ego -- Also, despite my current state of mind about the way the system seems (to me) to have been hijacked, I still fundamentally believe in the value of the system. Thanks for correcting the comments. [[User:Arevich|Arevich]] 22:19, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

==Aldeism==
'''UtherSRG''', Could you please leave a comment on my user talk page [[User talk:arevich|Arevich:Talk]] with a rules-based explanation for the deleting of the Aldeism entry. I am quite genuinely baffled by why Wikipedia would not see such information as an asset.
* I do understand that it would be much more appropriate for somebody other than myself to make the entry. I certainly could not object to somebody doing so.
* The entry that was originally voted to be deleted was indeed placed by me and most of the modifications to it were made by me. However, many of those modifications were made as a direct result of the input of others who pointed out internal inconsistencies which I corrected within the evolution of Aldeism itself so sometimes there would be something written which was no longer factual. Also, besides certain facts of which I would be most cognizant, some people had indeed made substantial changes to the Aldeism entry regarding issues around adherent numbers and other fact-based opinions to which changes made by me would be inappropriate. These were left untouched by me in the interests of fair and honest discourse.
* Lastly, the question which I have most need answered is this: Why would you (sysops/editors) NOT want information about a new but relatively stable spiritual practice to be available on the Wikipedia?
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'''Partial Quote:'''
::As a rule of thumb, there are two significant, and somewhat related, reasons why pages primarily written by an individual about their own creation or accomplishment are often voted off the island:
# The ownership of the page the individual feels. Individuals will usually have their own POV (point of view) on the topic and not want the article to stray from that POV. Wikipedia, like many encyclopedias, encourages articles to be written from a neutral POV (NPOV). Efforts to move the article to a NPOV can cause hard feelings on the part of the original author, as well as the other editors.
# What might seem significant to the author as an accomplishment worth noting in an encyclopedia is insignificant to the overwhelming majority.

Apparantly, your article on Aldeism was not deemed worthy to be kept on Wikipedia. As you've learned, you have the right for a "recount" by using [[WP:VFU]], but as you can see, you are the only one who thinks the article has merit. Perhaps if a more neutral party wrote an article about your creation, the articlewould be judged to have merit.

Please understand that I believe no one is saying that Aldeism has no merit. Only that the article about Aldeism, as written primarily by you, the creator and primary proponent of Aldeism, has no merit.

-- [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]]


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'''Allan's Response:'''
UtherSRG, '''Thank you for your detailed response.''' While I understand the process and especially the attempt to maintain impartiality, I see a couple of fundamental problems with the way it is sometimes used.
# Because of the way that items are first selected for VFD, a bias is built in which needs to be compensated for by responsible sysops. The bias exists because in order to be selected for the VFD process somebody needs to locate it, think it inappropriate it, and then formally follow the process to technically nominate it. In effect, only the keenest of Wikipedia enthusiasts have the combination of will and ability to follow the process. Since this is a very small number (seems to be no more than 12 with only 3 or 4 really enthusiastic members) the personal biases of these individuals will always be implicit in their selections. On the opposite side of the equation, there is really nobody to question what these same folks decide to leave in or put in.
# In the event that nobody besides the author bothers to include an article, it does not necesarily follow that nobody besides the author will be interested in it.
# The voting system can very easily degenerate into a ruling by means of "mob rule" in cases where the subject is likely to be of interest to a relatively small subset of the entire Wikipedia community, thus making it highly unlikely that it will be of ANY interest to the small group of enthusiasts doing the voting and editing.
# Finally the Wikipedia guidelines are not without elements of both ambiguity and flexibility. '''For example''':
* Don't list biased articles, even heavily biased articles, but add a [[Wikipedia:NPOV dispute|NPOV dispute]] header/disclaimer. However, list articles if rewriting the facts in an NPOV way and removing unattributed opinions would leave no useful information.
* From ''Deciding whether to delete''
# Whether a "rough consensus" has been achieved (see below)
# Use common sense and respect the judgment and feelings of Wikipedia participants.
# As a general rule, ''don't'' delete pages you nominate for deletion. Let someone else do it.
# '''When in doubt, don't delete.'''
Allan Revich: [[User:Arevich|Arevich]] 23:42, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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==temp space moves==
Hi, UtherSRG!
Can you, please, move contents of [[Altai Republic/Temp]] to the main article namespace (the same way you did with Bashkortostan/Temp), and delete the Temp page after that? Thank you.--[[User:Ezhiki|Ëzhiki]] 16:44, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)
:Done. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 17:40, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
::Thank you.--[[User:Ezhiki|Ëzhiki]] 17:56, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

Please also move [[Buryat Republic/Temp]]. Thank you.--[[User:Ezhiki|Ëzhiki]] 18:23, Jul 22, 2004 (UTC)
:Done. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 18:27, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

== deletion of article "ish" ==

Can you tell me what about this article screamed out "delete me speedily" to you? I guess if it's a pseudonym for a vulgarism, you gott be careful but it's a word in very widespread use. What would a more acceptable version look like to you?
thanks,
[[user:Kzzl|Kenn]]
:[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not|Wikipedia is not]] a dictionary. [[User:Yakovsh|Yakovsh]] marked it for speedy deletion. I saw it on the speedy list, agreed with his notion that it was simply a dictdef, and deleted it. Try [[Wiktionary]] instead. Alternatively, put the information on [[shit]] and make your article a redirect. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 17:03, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

== Stargate Atlantis ==

Oh, I'm afraid I only taped the last 30 minutes (but then, in Canuckistan it only ran for 90 minutes - did I miss anything?) for someone who couldn't stay to watch the whole thing. But the other 60 minutes are still fairly fresh in my memory, so after dinner I could take a crack at a flesh-out if you'd like. :) -- [[User:Hadal|Hadal]] 20:40, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

== Many things ==

I've been meaning to leave a message on your talk page for a short while now.

I want to start by thanking you for two things. First, you supported some of the things I said in the poll [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship]], even when I was the only one saying them. I appreciate that, and I think it made a difference. Second, I think you've done some very good work at [[Stargate Atlantis]]. The article has really improved because of it.

I do have one request. I noticed that the text is the same in [[Rising, Part 1]] and [[Rising, Part 2]]. On [[Talk:List of Star Trek TNG episodes]], a decision was made to combine information on two-part episodes into one article. I think that the same principle should be applied to "Rising". Right now, the article [[Rising]] (somewhat unfathomably) redirects to another page about an album with the word in its title. If you could move the text of [[Rising, Part 1]] there and redirect [[Rising, Part 2]], I think it would simplify many things.

Sincerely,

[[User:Acegikmo1|Acegikmo1]] 20:44, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

:<nowiki>*grins*</nowiki>You're welcome! Probably about 30 minutes ago I moved [[Rising, Part 1]] from [[Rising (Stargate Atlantis)]]! Then copied the text to create [[Rising, Part 2]]. I'll merge 'em back together, but I'd like a better article title. (The [[Rising]] link is because the album [[Rainbow Rising]] is known by that title as well, since the group is Rainbow. Not so unfathomable.) You wouldn't happen to have it recorded, would ya? I'd love to see the synopsis and the whole article expanded more a la [[Midnight on the Firing Line]]. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 20:55, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

::Ack ack attack! Well, I suppose [[Rising (Stargate Atlantis)]] is a fair compromise. If you really don't like the title, "Rising (television show)" might be a good substitute. But "Rising (Stargate Atlantis)" is better than twin pages with the same body.

::In fact I '''did''' tape "Rising"...but I fear I may have taped over it in an effort to catch "Two Fathers"/"One Son". I'll check when I get home. Either way, I'll attempt to expand the article on the episode over the next few days.

::[[User:Acegikmo1|Acegikmo1]] 21:54, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

==[[The Storm/The Eye]]==
Any chance you could actually put some text into this article? Otherwise I'll have to list it on VfD. [[User:RickK|Rick]]'''[[User talk:RickK|K''']] 22:58, Jul 22, 2004 (UTC)

Revision as of 03:12, 1 March 2004

Barre is a town located in Orleans County, New York. As of the 2000 census, the town had a total population of 2,124. The Town of Barre was incorporated in 1818 and is on the south border of the county. The town contains the communities of Barre Center and West Barre.

Geography

According to the United States Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 142.7 km² (55.1 mi²). 142.6 km² (55.1 mi²) of it is land and 0.02% is water.

Demographics

As of the census of 2000, there are 2,124 people, 739 households, and 582 families residing in the town. The population density is 14.9/km² (38.6/mi²). There are 772 housing units at an average density of 5.4/km² (14.0/mi²). The racial makeup of the town is 97.74% White, 0.52% African American, 0.28% Native American, 0.09% Asian, 0.09% Pacific Islander, 0.66% from other races, and 0.61% from two or more races. 1.37% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There are 739 households out of which 38.6% have children under the age of 18 living with them, 66.6% are married couples living together, 7.2% have a female householder with no husband present, and 21.2% are non-families. 16.8% of all households are made up of individuals and 7.6% have someone living alone who is 65 years of age or older. The average household size is 2.87 and the average family size is 3.22.

In the town the population is spread out with 28.8% under the age of 18, 6.5% from 18 to 24, 29.6% from 25 to 44, 25.3% from 45 to 64, and 9.8% who are 65 years of age or older. The median age is 36 years. For every 100 females there are 106.8 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there are 102.4 males.

The median income for a household in the town is $44,545, and the median income for a family is $47,411. Males have a median income of $32,284 versus $21,193 for females. The per capita income for the town is $17,129. 6.3% of the population and 4.5% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total people living in poverty, 6.7% are under the age of 18 and 8.2% are 65 or older.

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