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Closing off yet again. Newyorkbrad, on a personal note. This is [[C:Commons:Review_of_Precautionary_principle#Case_study:_Fijian_photos_from_the_1940s.2F1950s|not the first time]] I have contacted a copyright holder over copyright issues, but I certainly hope it is the last. You may only look at issues from the standpoint of the WMF, but others, as demonstrated by Nick's comments which certainly mirror mine and many other editors as well. If you decide to assume good faith or not, that's up to you. But I will ask that so long as you continue coming here and engaging in bad faith commentary about myself, that you kindly stay away from my talk page, and certainly don't reopen discussions when it was clear the issue was over as far as I am concerned. [[User:Russavia|Russavia]] ([[User talk:Russavia#top|talk]]) 18:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC) |
Closing off yet again. Newyorkbrad, on a personal note. This is [[C:Commons:Review_of_Precautionary_principle#Case_study:_Fijian_photos_from_the_1940s.2F1950s|not the first time]] I have contacted a copyright holder over copyright issues, but I certainly hope it is the last. You may only look at issues from the standpoint of the WMF, but others, as demonstrated by Nick's comments which certainly mirror mine and many other editors as well. If you decide to assume good faith or not, that's up to you. But I will ask that so long as you continue coming here and engaging in bad faith commentary about myself, that you kindly stay away from my talk page, and certainly don't reopen discussions when it was clear the issue was over as far as I am concerned. It is now pretty obvious that there are other issues which this project needs to look at -- my talk page is not the place for it -- I hope to be able to contribute to such discussions sometime in the future. [[User:Russavia|Russavia]] ([[User talk:Russavia#top|talk]]) 18:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC) |
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Note: This could have been closed off even without the revision deletions, which I am not sure I agree with. Your conduct in contacting EB over this matter was trollish, disruptive, and unacceptable; see my comment on the ANI thread about your unblock request. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 15:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC) |
Note: This could have been closed off even without the revision deletions, which I am not sure I agree with. Your conduct in contacting EB over this matter was trollish, disruptive, and unacceptable; see my comment on the ANI thread about your unblock request. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 15:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC) |
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Work to do on English Wikipedia
Photographs/media work
- Firdaus Latif
Firdaus Latif is a professional news photographer from Malaysia who relicenced his photos to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. His photos are found at Commons:Category:Photographs by Firdaus Latif
Amongst his photos which could be on this project include:
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articles relating to Malaysian national dress, such as Baju Melayu
- Matt @ PEK
Matt @ PEK is a regular world traveller who relicenced his photos to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. His photos can be found at Commons:Category:Files from Matt @ PEK Flickr stream
Amongst his photos which could be on this project include:
- Austrian Airlines
Austrian Airlines relicenced their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. Their photos are at Commons:Category:Files from Austrian Airlines Flickr stream
Amongst their photos which could be used on this project include:
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Flight attendant (this article suffers from a reverse gender issue, in that only female FAs are pictured)
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Austrian Airlines Flight 901 (this is the actual aircraft)
- Brussels Airport
Brussels Airport relicenced their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. Their photos are at Commons:Category:Files from Brussels Airport Flickr stream
Amongst their photos which could be used on this project include:
- Ecuadorian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Human Mobility
The Ecuadorian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Human Mobility relicenced their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. Their photos are at Commons:Category:Files from the Ecuadorian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Human Mobility Flickr stream
Amongst their photos which could be used on this project include:
- Aerocardal
Aerocardal relicenced their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. Their photos are at Commons:Category:Photographs by Aerocardal
Amongst their photos which could be used on this project include:
- Bahrain International Airport
Bahrain International Airport relicenced their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. Their photos are at Commons:Category:Files from Bahrain International Airport Flickr stream
Amongst their photos which could be used on this project include:
- Uri Tours
Uri Tours relicenced their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. Their photos are at Commons:Category:Photographs by Uri Tours
Amongst their photos which could be used on this project include:
- World Trade Organization
- Foreign and Commonwealth Office
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all 3 articles, quite rare photo (for us) of all 3 in same shot alone
- Department for International Development
- RAF-YYV
- Congress of Peru
- Grzegorz Jereczek
Grzegorz Jereczek is a Polish photographer who relicenced his Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. His photos are at Commons:Category:Photographs by Grzegorz Jereczek
Amongst his photos which could be used on this project include:
- Jetstar
Jetstar Airways relicenced their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. Their photos are at Commons:Category:Photographs by Jetstar Airways
Amongst their photos which could be used on this project include:
- AusAID
AusAID relicenced their Flickr stream to CC-BY from (C) ARR after a request from myself. Their photos are at Commons:Category:Photographs from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Amongst their photos which could be used on this project include:
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John Howard (current photo is a likely copyvio)
- United Nations Organization Stabilization Mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
United Nations Organization Stabilization Mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo relicenced their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. Their photos are at Commons:Category:Photographs by MONUSCO
Amongst their photos which could be used on this project include:
- Korean Cultural and Information Service
The Korean Culture and Information Service (Korea.net) relicenced their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA from (C) ARR after a request from myself. Their photos are at Commons:Category:Files from Korea.net Flickr stream
Amongst their photos which could be used on this project include:
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Kim Tae-yeon (and check out File:Kim Taeyeon, Golden Disk Awards, Jan 2014.jpg to check correctly licenced
- Other
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United States Ambassador to Paraguay (current photo looks fake and awful)
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Nelson Mandela or -->
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Henry Smith (British politician) (this article is indicative of politicians or staffers trying to insert images into articles, etc
- Aviation
Numerous aviation photographers have relicenced their photographs after requests from myself.
Amongst photos which could be used on this project include:
- Adding NFCC images which arent suitable for Commons
Article work
Articles which I will be working on include:
- Drukair - bringing it up to FA (already GA)
- Vance Joy - expand it greatly
- Riptide (Vance Joy song) - this needs to be greatly expanded
- Aeroflot - bringing it up to GA, then FA (I have already done a lot of work on this, will look at having topic ban removed)
- Sukhoi Superjet 100 - bring it up to GA, then FA
Articles which I intend on creating, mainly by way of media I've uploaded include:
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Masikryong Ski Resort (87 photos available in Commons:Category:Masikryong Ski Resort)
Other articles I was looking at creating:
- Ski Jumping Pairs -- inspiration from this
- Ilham Anas - id:Ilham Anas - previously deleted on this project but obviously passes WP:GNG
Dealing with copyright and image issues
- Victor_Chang#Death - remove statements: "Chang was chosen, at random, from a magazine photo featuring notable Asians who had "made it good" in Australia; and, Chang knew that this extortion attempt was no accident when the assailants spoke to him by name in Mandarin.[12]" -- sourced to unreliable source, and is also a copyright violation of that unreliable source.
- Remove File:Victor Chang.jpg from Chinese Australians, it doesn't comply with NFCC.
- Delete File:Frank Lorenzo, TXI, 1977.jpg, it doesn't comply with NFCC, subject is still living
- Nominate File:Moomba parade.jpg - no evidence this is a govt image and is after the 1 January 1955 cut-off date
- Nominate File:Fly Jamaica Airways Boeing 757-200.jpg - low resolution, no EXIF, 2013 photo, usually indicates copyvio
- Delete File:George Tupou V Coronation.jpg, it no longer complies with the NFCC
- Delete File:Mark Donaldson VC 19-01-2009 fair use claimed.jpg, it no longer complies with the NFCC
- Delete File:Trooper Donaldson being awarded VC fair use claimed.jpg, it doesn't comply with the NFCC
- Files uploaded by User:Andreas11213 are not compliant with licencing conditions, and hence are copyright violations as they stand now. File:Sen Hon Brett Mason.jpg is an example of this (refer to File:Brett Mason.jpg to see how it should be!)
- Special:ListFiles/Biicl are likely copyvios. They are a range of resolutions from large to thumbnail, some with EXIF, some with EXIF but varying cameras.
- Nominate File:Ralph O'Neal appointed first premier.jpg, there's no EXIF data, and possibly not own work.
- Nominate File:Lancaster House Conference for Kenya's Independance.jpg, File:Kenyan Leaders.jpg and File:Evelyn Baring with Zafrud Deen.jpg - they are unlikely work of the uploader
Moves
- Essair Airways --> Pioneer Air Lines
- Steve Price (coach) and Steve Price (rugby league) are different people but they are both connected with rugby league, therefore they really should be disambiguated in a more appropriate manner so that confusion is not caused.
WikiProject work
- With the kind help of User:Hym411, who translated Commons:User:Russavia/Flickr-letter into Korean for me, I managed to have the Korean Culture and Information Service relicence their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA (Commons:Template:Korea.net). Hym411 has advised ko.wp of the existence of the photos, which can be found at Commons:Category:Files from Korea.net Flickr stream, and it would be beneficial to this project if I was able to advise Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea of the existence of these photos so that these extremely highly valuable photos can be put into relevant articles. In 24 hours, ko.wp has begun to put these images into use as seen here
- To engage with Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation to try and get help from project editors in compiling lists of official Flickr/social media photostreams of airports/airlines/manufacturers/etc to get media relicenced so they can be uploaded to Commons.
- The same thing but with other WikiProjects for individual countries to get help to compiles lists of governments/major corporations, etc.
- With the kind help of User:Zhuyifei1999, approximately 3,500 photos from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office which I had made available under the OGL have now been uploaded to Commons at Commons:Category:Files from Foreign and Commonwealth Office Flickr stream (to check). It would be beneficial to this project if I was able to advise Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations and Wikipedia:WikiProject United Kingdom of their existence.
Air Caribbean (Puerto Rico)
Dear Russavia: Thanks for creating Air Caribbean (Puerto Rico)! For a guy from Perth, you sure know a LOT about Puerto Rican aviation history! (I sure wish I on the other hand, knew as much about Australian Aviation history, but I can only go as far as Qantas and Ansett Airlines, lol!)
God bless!
Antonio weirdo kangaroo Martin aqui 23:26, March 24, 2014 (UTC)
Message for User:Philg88 -- Masikryong Ski Resort
@Philg88:, thanks for writing the above article, as you can see I had it at User_talk:Russavia#Article_work to create.
I see, however, that the article only uses one image. The photos in Commons:Category:Masikryong Ski Resort were kindly released under a CC licence by Uri Tours after a request by myself. I made mention of the Masikryong Ski Resort article as one possible use for their photos (i.e. encouraging article development). I am going to make contact with the, and show them this article, but I was hoping you might take on board some suggestions in relation to images in the article.
- File:Masik Pass Ski Resort in North Korea (11945092343).jpg could perhaps be used at Masikryong_Ski_Resort#Local_environment
- File:Masikryong North Korea Ski Resort (12299641645).jpg could perhaps be used at Masikryong_Ski_Resort#Facilities
- As we can see from the category on Commons, the ski resort has ski-lifts but Masikryong_Ski_Resort#Controversy doesn't mention who did make the ski-lifts, such as File:Masikryong North Korea Ski Resort (12299601295).jpg. It might be beneficial to do a little research on this and add an appropriately captioned photo to that section.
When I discussed the relicencing with Uri Tours in a series of back-and-forth emails, I did mention to them that their images would be especially useful for North Korean articles, and I also asked them to keep me informed on hits to Flickr and whether they see any noticeable increase from their images being on Commons -- an aviation photographer who relicenced after my request noted a massive surge in traffic to his Flickr stream. I want to use Uri Tours a one part in a multi-faceted case study on why companies should make their images available under a CC-BY or CC-BY-SA licence.
But at the end of the day, it is editorial discretion on whether to include images or not, and with such a wide range of images available, and relevant to direct article content, we could probably be more liberal in our use of images on articles. Thoughts welcome. Russavia (talk) 21:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Russavia, and thanks for the ping. First of all, I didn't realise that you had plans to create the Masikryong article - I only search the main space when creating articles so my apologies if you had put any work into this.
- On the specific points that you mention:
- I found the photos on Flickr before I found them on Commons (what a wonderful surprise to discover that they were CC-BYSA!) and picked the one that featured snow, a skilift and mountains as I thought that would be the most representative/appropriate. I'm no fan of flooding short paragraph articles like this one with pictures as it creates a lot of whitespace, but I don't see why there couldn't be a gallery of three or four images across the bottom rather than breaking up the text. Feel free to go ahead and add it as you see fit - [update] I now see that your are blocked so I can do it.
- While the original draft of the article included the name of the company that the Swiss government proscribed from selling ski lifts to the resort, I took it out because I considered a mention would be non-neutral –the deal was cancelled after all. From what I can see and based on my own experience of the sport, the lifts in use are way behind current state of the market technology [1] [2] — I also read a comment in a blog somewhere that they were made by a Chinese rather than a western company. As for other equipment, this snow groomer is made by an Italian company but (perhaps understandably given the sanctions) I cannot find a reference to back that up. However including the photo with a caption mentioning the groomer's origin would not breach any Wikipedia guidelines as far as I can see.
- I'm all for encouraging everyone in the world to release their copyrights under CC-BYSA and for Wikipedia to improve its coverage of North Korean topics. I plan to translate the Masikryong article into Chinese (as they are likely to be the largest slice of foreign visitors), which would no doubt please Uri Tours and by extension fire their enthusiasm for engaging with Wikipedia.
- @Philg88: Thanks for response. I'll leave it up to your discretion to include what photos you see fit in the article. In relation to the Husky photo, it would be ok to include this in the article with a caption denoting the make of the snow groomer. Whether it is a high value image for that article is up to you -- it could possibly go into an article on snow groomers -- that way you can get an internal link to the Masikryong article too. I would think that higher value images for the Masikryong article would be those which show the facilities, rather than the equipment. But all up to you.
- It would be good to see the Masikryong article in other languages too, I might have a word to a couple of Korean editors and they might like to do the Korean version of it. In relation to Uri Tours, they are a US-based company, so I'm not too sure how much of their business they get from China. But it's just good to have a commercial company engage with us by releasing their materials. I will be dropping them a note in the coming days with a link to the Masikryong article so that they can see how their images are being used. I'll be sure to pass on any feedback to you which I may get back. Cheers, Russavia (talk) 05:36, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Russavia. I've added a gallery with four images rather than flood the article. I agree that the groomer isn't really apposite - it could be on any piste at any resort. I hope you can inspire a Korean language version, that would be great. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 05:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Great stuff @Philg88: look forward to seeing more DPRK articles from you in future too. Russavia (talk) 03:28, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Russavia. I've added a gallery with four images rather than flood the article. I agree that the groomer isn't really apposite - it could be on any piste at any resort. I hope you can inspire a Korean language version, that would be great. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 05:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- It would be good to see the Masikryong article in other languages too, I might have a word to a couple of Korean editors and they might like to do the Korean version of it. In relation to Uri Tours, they are a US-based company, so I'm not too sure how much of their business they get from China. But it's just good to have a commercial company engage with us by releasing their materials. I will be dropping them a note in the coming days with a link to the Masikryong article so that they can see how their images are being used. I'll be sure to pass on any feedback to you which I may get back. Cheers, Russavia (talk) 05:36, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Copyright violations from Encyclopædia Britannica
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
This can be closed off now that the revisions in question have now been revdelled Russavia (talk) 05:12, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
WP article | Date and diff copyvio introduced | EB article | Diffchecker | Date copyvio removed | Time copyvio in article | Date copyvio revdelled | Notes |
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Émile Durkheim | 14 June 2009 [3] | [4] | [5] | 10 April 2014 [6] | 1761 days | Not done | * The copyright violation was introduced by M3taphysical (talk · contribs)
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Are you trying to be disruptive, or are you just clueless? Please stop drama mongering. If you perceive a problem but others don't agree, you have to accept that sometimes you won't get your way. Making threats of this nature is not helpful at all. Jehochman Talk 13:26, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Don't we normally rev-del copyright violations in article history when they're pointed out. Maggie? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 06:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- Sometimes, Anthonyhcole, but it's highly dependent on what admin sees it and the circumstances. I myself try to rev delete when the content is large and restoration (inadvertent or otherwise) seems likely, but there's always a balance with transparency when the copyvio has been in history for a while. There is currently no policy that requires such deletion. Coincidentally, legal is working on a WikiLegal statement related to the question of copyright problems in article histories, meta:Wikilegal/Copyright Status of Wikipedia Page Histories. I don't believe it is 100% complete. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:27, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- @Moonriddengirl: thank you for advising of this. I will keep tabs on how this progresses, and I may post on the talk page. Whilst I understand that Legal will opine from the point of view of US law, and will comment almost entirely on how it directly affects the WMF as the host of such materials, one thing it likely will not touch on is the ethical considerations that projects need to consider, and of course this goes for all projects, whether that be English Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wikisource, etc. Instead of calling it meta:Wikilegal/Copyright Status of Wikipedia Page Histories perhaps Legal could rename it to meta:Wikilegal/Copyright Status of Wikimedia project Page Histories so that it applies as Legal advice as it pertains to protection of the WMF across all of our projects, not just Wikipedia. Essentially what I see it being said at the end is that the WMF is just the host, will comply with valid DMCA notices, that US law needs to be followed, and that editors are legally responsible for their edits.
- But Maggie, in relation to your comment on obtaining a balance with transparency, couldn't a solution to this across all projects be similar to this example on Commons. Revdel the text of the page history, but leave the edit summary and the editor name as is. The article above might be seen as quite an extreme example in some regards, especially as the copyright violation was in the article for going on five years, but in your position as an editor would the following be best practice:
- Remove the copyright violation and before saving keep a copy of the article minus the copyright violation
- Revdel the article text but not the edit summary or the editor (this is especially important due to licencing requirements
- After revdelling, replace the current version of the text with the copy that was saved (minus the copyright violation) and simply use a link to the article history as the edit summary (which is sufficient to comply with the attribution requirements that we agree to when we edit) and perhaps mention it is text from revision XXX to YYY minus copyvio.
- That way the 5 year history of the article is not completely lost (only the copyright violation is) and the transparency is still kept. The only issue then would be is there more copyright violations in the article that if the admin dealing with it would then be responsible for (as per the section already on Meta). Is this something as an editor you could broadly agree with?
- As noted at Wikipedia:Copyright violations copyright violations not only harm Wikipedia's redistributability, but also create legal issues. and we often forget that our content is CC licenced specifically so it can be redistributed, even for profit, and that as a project (the entire WMF-hosted projects) we have an ethical obligation to the re-users of our content to make sure that we hold ourselves to the highest possible editorial standards and follow the same best practices that those we aim to emulate and surpass. We also need to recognise that not all of our re-users are in the United States, and many countries to do not have the extensive fair use laws that the US has, and that we want to re-users to safely redistribute our content, particularly in the Global South; where I am aware of in the past people distributing CDs with Wikipedia content on the streets for a nominal charge, but which still makes it commercial usage, and which could cause problems for the very people we want to redistribute our content.
- This is obviously something that isn't really recognised widely here on Wikipedia, due to the endgame being about pageviews on the project, whereas on Commons it is about actively encouraging the content to be re-used on WMF projects, and elsewhere both online and offline. So I hope you understand my good faith concerns here and why I have raised them. Russavia (talk) 10:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- Transparency isn't only about usernames, however. Transparency is about being able to see who added what, when. When content is rev-deleted, the history of an article is no longer searchable for that. Therein lies the primary objection I've seen to using rev deletion on older copyright issues, and I have encountered this objection when using rev deletion myself. This is an old, old discussion on Wikipedia - it predates my participation by many years. See Wikipedia talk:Copyright violations on history pages. The fact that page histories may contain content that is not compatibly licensed is noted at MediaWiki:History copyright and discussed at Help:Page history. I'm afraid that to change this practice would probably require a pretty major discussion on Wikipedia. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:13, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
This might be a different situation if the problematic content represented most of the article, or if it were present in only a small number of revisions. Here, however, it represents a small portion of the article and the request is that we delete hundreds of revisions (with their associated attributions). It is perfectly reasonable not to do so, and I question Russavia's good faith in pressing this issue in the way that he has. Newyorkbrad (talk) 13:59, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- When an editor is indefinitely blocked and has a history of being blocked, if we can't assume his good faith even on his talk page posts, then it is time to block his access to his own talk page. There is actually no loss of communication involved in this additional block, Russavia can post to his heart's content on his Commons talk page, and if he says anything worth saying, Wikipedia editors can be directed there by his more sympathetic peers. Smallbones(smalltalk) 15:04, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
Closing off yet again. Newyorkbrad, on a personal note. This is not the first time I have contacted a copyright holder over copyright issues, but I certainly hope it is the last. You may only look at issues from the standpoint of the WMF, but others, as demonstrated by Nick's comments which certainly mirror mine and many other editors as well. If you decide to assume good faith or not, that's up to you. But I will ask that so long as you continue coming here and engaging in bad faith commentary about myself, that you kindly stay away from my talk page, and certainly don't reopen discussions when it was clear the issue was over as far as I am concerned. It is now pretty obvious that there are other issues which this project needs to look at -- my talk page is not the place for it -- I hope to be able to contribute to such discussions sometime in the future. Russavia (talk) 18:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Note: This could have been closed off even without the revision deletions, which I am not sure I agree with. Your conduct in contacting EB over this matter was trollish, disruptive, and unacceptable; see my comment on the ANI thread about your unblock request. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Newyorkbrad - the continued presence of this material presents a significant legal risk to reusers of our material. There's absolutely no reason not to partially delete each revision that contains copyright text. We should be removing the article text, to make it inaccessible to reusers, but retaining the contributor's details and if appropriate, the edit summary. That strikes the best blend of fulfilling our moral obligations to reusers, to protect them as far as is possible, whilst allowing some degree of transparency, in showing who edited the article. I'm of course open to a more nuanced legal opinion (or anything at all you're able to say on this matter) that might guide how we should deal with such copyright violations in future. Nick (talk) 15:49, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Nick - see the comments by Moonriddengirl, who is probably our most knowledgeable user on these issues, above, and especially the discussion she links to for more information on this point. I would agree that if much of an article were copyvio, the revisions need to be deleted. I'm less convinced that if the copyvio relates to a small snippet of a longer article, and persists through dozens or hundreds of revisions, that still makes sense. The trade-off is between purging the copyright violations and impairing the attribution history, the preservation of which is also important. In any case, this wasn't such an egregious situation that making contact with EB was justifiable (as I said, see my comment on the ANI thread.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Interesting, though it seems to be somewhat at odds with a similar discussion we're having at the involuntary celibacy RfD. There was an AfD that called for a merger of material to another article. That material was added, and "involuntary celibacy" became a redirect. A consensus at the target article decided to remove the material, but now there are several there who opine that either the material must be rev-deleted from the target article's history or the redirect be preserved to satisfy the GFDL concerns. Why is it that we can leave actual copyvios in an article's revision history here, but over there, merged-then-unmerged text must be excised? Tarc (talk) 16:43, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:56, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Interesting, though it seems to be somewhat at odds with a similar discussion we're having at the involuntary celibacy RfD. There was an AfD that called for a merger of material to another article. That material was added, and "involuntary celibacy" became a redirect. A consensus at the target article decided to remove the material, but now there are several there who opine that either the material must be rev-deleted from the target article's history or the redirect be preserved to satisfy the GFDL concerns. Why is it that we can leave actual copyvios in an article's revision history here, but over there, merged-then-unmerged text must be excised? Tarc (talk) 16:43, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Nick - see the comments by Moonriddengirl, who is probably our most knowledgeable user on these issues, above, and especially the discussion she links to for more information on this point. I would agree that if much of an article were copyvio, the revisions need to be deleted. I'm less convinced that if the copyvio relates to a small snippet of a longer article, and persists through dozens or hundreds of revisions, that still makes sense. The trade-off is between purging the copyright violations and impairing the attribution history, the preservation of which is also important. In any case, this wasn't such an egregious situation that making contact with EB was justifiable (as I said, see my comment on the ANI thread.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- I honestly don't feel comfortable with that, Newyorkbrad. I don't feel we're being cautious enough on behalf of our downstream reusers. I believe we should be acting on a precautionary basis and removing at the very minimum the revisions of each page which we know contains copyrighted text.
- If we aren't going to do that, we should at the very least be screaming at people looking at old versions of our content that there could be significant legal problems if they use an old version of any article. That's not what we do, however, for all manner of typical Wikipedia type reasons.
- The document Maggie linked to above on Meta has, as its introduction to the first paragraph Previous versions of articles on Wikipedia may be viewed in page histories by clicking the current article’s “View history” tab. These historical versions of articles may contain copyrighted content, and therefore may constitute copyright infringement. but when I click on an old version of any article, I get this warning in a pink box This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Spartaz (talk | contribs | block) at 2014-06-11T17:15:12. It may differ significantly from the current revision.. It does, in turn, link to Help:Page history which, way down at the bottom (and in need of a scroll for most users) says As noted at the end of each history revision, in the text at MediaWiki:history copyright, the page histories may contain material that is subject to copyright limitations. While we attempt to remove such material from the current version (see copyright problems) it is often kept in the history for research and author attribution purposes. As Wikimedia is a not-for-profit company, this is believed to be fair use.
- That's probably OK, but the text at Help:Page history is now woefully out of date, and there's now no link to MediaWiki:history copyright at the end of each history revision and I don't believe there has been for 5 years now (we believe it was changed in 2009). I know this is rapidly morphing into a couple of different issues, but if we're not going to remove problematic text, we need to make sure reusers are given as much warning as possible, and we're not doing that correctly either. Nick (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- My view is that we should focus more on actual, active copyright issues and less on what I might describe as purely theoretical ones. That being said, your perspective on this is important, and I hope you'll share it in the review that Moonriddengirl mentions. I still feel strongly that nothing in this situation warranted a contact with Encyclopedia Britannica. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Message for User:Alifazal -- James Mwakibolwa
@Alifazal: I noticed you have put some MONUSCO photos into use, great stuff. I also see that you are from Tanzania. Perhaps you might like to create the article for James Mwakibolwa. We have a photo of Mwakibolwa on Commons from MONUSCO, and it might make for an interesting WP:DYK -- we don't see many Tanzanian DYKs here on the project. Just giving you a heads up. Russavia (talk) 03:27, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Unblock request
Russavia (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
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The media was removed from English Wikipedia (but not Commons). I am not seeking to reopen the discussion about whether that content should be restored to Wikipedia, and since the block I have not pursued the issue in a disruptive manner. Rather, I have made valuable posts to my talk page, highlighting places in which unrelated Wikipedia content is out of compliance with our copyright policies.
I have consistently made high quality contributions to both Wikipedia and Commons, and whilst it is true that I have been involved in some controversies, the depth of my commitment to the vision of our projects is amply demonstrated by the majority of my contributions. This block should be lifted so I can continue to engage as a good faith member of our community. Thank you for your consideration. Russavia (talk) 16:07, 8 June 2014 (UTC)Notes:
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- I would like to voice my opposition to this unblock request. Administrators considering unblocking this user should please check the block log. It shows other recent (January 2014) concerns including announcing "an intention to sock" and "inappropriate use of user talk page while blocked". The block log also shows a substantial history of blocks on English Wikipedia. Administrators considering unblocking this user should reflect on whether the community should spend additional time debating blocking this user again in the future. Regardless of status on English Wikipedia, this user can continue making constructive contributions to the project through Wikimedia Commons. - tucoxn\talk 00:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- I support unblocking. The dick painting of Jimbo was cosmic satire but also, in my opinion, trolling, and a lengthy block was appropriate. The message has now been sent and apparently received. I disagree with Russavia's stance at Commons, but that's Commons. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 01:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: That controversial video was deleted from Commons and replaced with a neutral one. The painting itself is not much insulting as it can be considered as a humorous one. So sticking on that single matter as a block reason is not much meaningful. I don't know any other concerns related to this block though. Jee 02:03, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- I support the unblock request. If Russavia trolls too much again, he can be shown the door again. He is a contributing Wikipedian, however, and punishments should be rational responses to problematic actions, not hysterical anticipations of potential bad actions. Carrite (talk) 05:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- anyone seeking to unblock will need to put this up at ANI. FWIW the unblock reason is far from compelling and does not accurately reflect the level of trolling and harrassment that Russavia inflicted on the project. There is a total lack of contrition or acknowledgement of the harm they caused. I'm firmly opposed to unblock. Spartaz Humbug! 05:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- Forwarded to ANI as suggested above. Jee 10:00, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Leonardo Rocco
Text copied from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Russavia/Leonardo_Rocco
Russavia | |
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Born | Leonardo Rocco |
Nationality | Argentine Italian |
Occupation(s) | Celebrity Hair stylist, socialite, television personality, businessman, fashion designer, presenter |
Years active | 1990–present |
Spouse | |
Website | www |
Leonardo "Leo" Rocco (Italian pronunciation: [leoˈnardoˈrocˈco] ) is a celebrity hair stylist[1] based in the "SoFi" (South of Fifth) neighborhood of South Beach, named after the upscale area located in Miami Beach, Florida.[2] He has developed most of his career in Miami, Florida, where he has lived since 2002. He started his professional career in the early 90s in Argentina.[3]
Early career
Rocco started his career at Rosario, Santa Fe in the early 1990s, serving his apprenticeship under his father in Argentina. He has developed most of his career in Miami, Florida, where he has lived since 2002. He opened his own salon called Rocco Donna in Ocean Drive, a major thoroughfare in the South Beach neighborhood of Miami Beach, Florida, United States.
In the years of salon ownership, he began to become notable in the hispanic world, music, television and fashion industries, working with artists such as Luis Fonsi, David Bisbal, Lorena Rojas, Jamie Foxx, Juanes, Paulina Rubio, Alejandro Fernández, Belinda, Fey and Adamari López.[4][5]
Working on a variety of radio shows, concerts, and TV Shows in Univision, he was the head stylist for all of the contestants who appeared on the series of beauty pageant. He also appears in CNN en Español as a beauty and style adviser.[6]
Professional career
Some of Rocco's celebrity clients include musicians Emilio Estefan, Katy Perry, Juanes, Paulina Rubio, Alejandro Fernandez, Belinda, Luis Fonsi, David Bisbal, Fanny Lu, Gloria Trevi, Marger and RBD; actors Eva Longoria, Ana de la Reguera, Génesis Rodríguez, Blanca Soto, Mayte Perroni, Angelica Vale, Angelica Maria, Catherine Siachoque, Maritza Rodriguez and Gabriel Soto; formers Miss Universe Bárbara Palacios, Lupita Jones and Alicia Machado and Miss Nicaragua 2013 (Winner) and Miss Universe 2013 representer Nastassja Bolívar[7] and TV Hosts Susana Giménez, Giselle Blondet, Raúl González and Candela Ferro, among many others.[8]
Rocco, is constantly involved in various TV productions, Univision, Telemundo and CNN en Español. In Latin America, has participated in various productions for Discovery Fit & Health, Glitz* and others.
Also, Rocco and his Rocco Donna team have been chosen as the experts in Nuestra Belleza Latina and ¡Mira Quien Baila! (Univision) being responsible of the image of all participants and members of jury.
For over three years, Rocco has been part of the radio show, "Tu Desayuno Musical" Radio Amor 107.5 (Univision Radio), which gives beauty and hair care tips to all listeners.
Rocco has participated as a contributor to People en Español, writing for more than three years, where he had a column called "Glomourosa with Rocco." In 2013, Rocco is one of the contributors to Venue Magazine beauty in his article "Venue Beauty".
Filmography by TV series
- Grachi (2 episodes )
- Episode #1.1 (2 May 2011) - hair & makeup artist
- Episode #1.2 (3 May 2011) - hair & makeup artist
- Nuestra Belleza Latina 2009 (10 episodes )
- The Coaches Eliminate (15 March 2009) - makeup department head
- Group Task (22 March 2009) - makeup department head
- Revealing the Mole (29 March 2009) - makeup department head
- No Make-up Photoshoot (5 April 2009) - makeup department head
- Hurricane Report (12 April 2009) - makeup department head
- The Rope Course (19 April 2009) - makeup department head
- Tarantula Photo Shoot (26 April 2009) - makeup department head
- Novela Scenes (3 May 2009) - makeup department head
- The Final Question (10 May 2009) - makeup department head
- The Finale 2009: Italic text (17 May 2009) - makeup department head
- The Doorman (movie) (2007) as Stylist at Photo Shoot
Salon and Style
The Rocco Donna Hair & Beauty Art opened in 2002. Rocco represents and works as an image and artistic adviser for different recognized brands in the US market.
As a way to further develop the art of beauty, Leonardo Rocco and his team of Rocco Donna, constantly participating in beauty events, photo shoots and fashion shows.
For the past eight years has been developing a marketing platform related to hair, beauty and lifestyle called Miami Hair, Beauty & Fashion by Rocco Donna in which participating celebrities, actors, TV personalities and radio in the parade fashion collection showing different designers.
The Rocco Donna Salon team is responsible for creating the look of hair and makeup for that special occasion. A classic of the event is the Pink Carpet Celebrity is done to benefit the Susan G. Komen for the Cure.[9]
Rocco participates annually in different series of beauty and cosmetics trade shows in United States, where he and his team share their particular style: ISSE Chicago, ISSE Long Beach, Orlando Premiere Show, IBS NYC, CosmoProf Las Vegas. In Latin America: Sao Pablo, Curitiba and Porto Alegre (Brazil) and Buenos Aires and Rosario, Santa Fe, (Argentina).
Rocco is the CEO of Rocco Donna Hair & Beauty Art. In 2009 the South Florida Hispanic Chamber of Commerce announced Leonardo Rocco, as the “Hispanic Entrepreneur of the Year”.
Argentinean-born Rocco grew up in an entrepreneur family and always knew he wanted to take the family salon business to new heights and slowly but surely has been accomplishing this objective branching out to Miami in 2004.
Rocco recognizes that his passion, enthusiasm, energy, commitment and strong work ethic have allowed him to capture the attention of perfectionists and this is reflected in his celebrity clientele. His clients seek him when making a change to their image and the driven stylist that attains his inspiration from film, people on the street, shows, and other professionals, manages to consistently satisfy the exquisite tastes of those that request his services.
Be Magazine (Beauty & Entertainment) selected Rocco Donna Hair & Beauty Art as one of the top fifty best salons in US.
Personal life
He is married to wife Marger a Venezuelan singer, songwriter, and actress.[10]
Philanthropy
Rocco is a big supporter in the Hispanic community[11] and believes in spreading the word about the benefits of Susan G. Komen for the Cure, formerly known as The Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, often referred to as simply Komen, the most widely known, largest and best-funded breast cancer organization in the United States.[12]
References
- ^ The Huffington Post (Oct 31, 2012). "Leonardo Rocco prepara su gran fiesta de glamour rodeado de estrellas". The Huffington Post (in Spanish). Retrieved Mar 3, 2013.
- ^ Univision (Jan 16, 2013). "Leonardo Rocco: el mago de los famosos celebró aniversario". Univision (in Spanish). Retrieved Mar 3, 2013.
- ^ Univision (Dec 29, 2012). "Reconocimiento a Leonardo Rocco, el estilista de los famosos: "Empresario hispano del año" en Florida". Univision (in Spanish). Retrieved Mar 9, 2013.
- ^ Terra Networks (Mar 10, 2013). "Look al estilo de los famosos". Terra Networks (in Spanish). Retrieved Mar 10, 2013.
- ^ The Huffington Post (Nov 11, 2012). "Miami Hair, Beauty & Fashion 2012 by Rocco Donna in Viceroy Hotel Miami". The Huffington Post (in Spanish). Retrieved Mar 10, 2013.
- ^ Discovery Communications (Mar 11, 2013). "Leonardo Rocco as a beauty and style adviser in CNN en Español". Discovery Communications (in Spanish). Retrieved Mar 11, 2013.
- ^ Univision (Jul 11, 2011). "Leonardo Rocco recomienda peinados para Premios Juventud". Univision(Chile) (in Spanish). Retrieved Mar 8, 2013.
- ^ Terra Networks (Jan 16, 2008). "Leonardo Rocco, a famous celebrity hair stylist". Terra Networks(Chile) (in Spanish). Retrieved Mar 3, 2013.
- ^ Venue (magazine) (Nov 8, 2012). "Miami Hair Beauty and Fashion 2012 (Miami, FL on 11/08/12)". Venue (magazine). Retrieved Mar 11, 2013.
- ^ "Marger y la vida después del reality". Terra Networks (in Spanish). February 27, 2003. Retrieved 8 March 2013.
- ^ Ocean Drive (magazine) (Oct 31, 2012). "The eighth annual Miami Hair, Beauty & Fashion 2012 By Rocco Donna event, a celebrity fashion show and VIP party at the spa at Viceroy on November 8, 2012". Ocean Drive (magazine). Retrieved Mar 3, 2013.
- ^ Gayle A. Sulik (2010). Pink Ribbon Blues: How Breast Cancer Culture Undermines Women's Health. USA: Oxford University Press. pp. 146–150. ISBN 0-19-974045-3. OCLC 535493589.
External links
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