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Flyer22 Frozen tried to leave Wikipedia, but found that she couldn't do so…

This user may sometimes share an IP address with Halo Jerk1.

Welcome to my talk page. I have been editing Wikipedia since 2007. If you want to know more about me, see my user page. My work, like a lot of others, has been complimented and criticized. And in March 2012, I was even blocked. See the block cases. And it's during that first block case that I learned a lot about WP:Assume good faith and who you can count on to be there for you; that experience has made me more acrimonious towards Wikipedia, and this feeling was intensified with my second block case (again, refer to the block cases link). Still, I believe that it's best that I help this site, seeing as many people come here for information (Wikipedia is almost always ranking highest in search engines, and that type of thing is always going to bring in a lot of readers) and a lot of those people trust what they read here. So it's my job to make sure that any topic I am heavily editing is as accurate as possible.

Especially see User:Flyer22#Main type of editing style for why what you consider neutral, or what you consider needed with regard to images, likely differs from my view; don't know about you, but I'm following Wikipedia policies and/or guidelines in that regard. Any questions, compliments or criticism of my Wikipedia work, feel free to leave me a message here on my talk page or email me. If you leave me a message here, I will usually reply here.

deleting only completely dead links

Hey dude, I'm only deleting those links which are completely dead i.e. Only those who's link was not recoverable even after a long research and its not my fault that all links that I found belonged to that category. And sorry for any inconvenience. Regards Monarchrob1 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:49, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Just another reason to hate Wikipedia

It sounds like you could use a new metaphor to brighten up the new year! Try this:

Wikipedia
A damaged bowl, kintsugi
Golden, imperfect

Aloha. Viriditas (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, Viriditas. Flyer22 (talk) 00:03, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re: sexual objectification

Don't you ever lie about a philosophical source again, re: sexual objectification entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.25.112.234 (talk) 17:35, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No lies at all, IP, as I've already clarified; seen here and here. Flyer22 (talk) 00:03, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year Flyer22!

Happy New Year!

Flyer22,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2015}} to user talk pages.

Thank you, James. Happy New Year to you as well. Flyer22 (talk) 07:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!

Dear Flyer22 Frozen,
HAPPY NEW YEAR Hoping 2015 will be a great year for you! Thank you for your contributions!
From a fellow editor,
FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This message promotes WikiLove. Originally created by Nahnah4 (see "invisible note").

thank you for participating in my study to see how long it takes for people to respond to changes thank you- Icewolf0421 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icewolf0421 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Impersonation is the sincerest form of flattery...

What's up with the impersonators... User:Flyer322, they had a bunch of SOCKs too! Happy New Year... :) --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 02:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Scalhotrod, I'm not sure that Flyer322 and the socks were trying to impersonate or pick on me. There are always going to be other Wikipedia editors with a Flyer username, and Flyer22222 (talk · contribs), who I currently mention at the top of my user page, also clearly has a similar username and it doesn't appear that the editor was aware of me before creating that account. Is it jarring for me to see another editor with a username that is very similar to mine? Yes, it is.

Anyway, Happy New Year to you too. Flyer22 (talk) 02:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, since it was so close I wanted to make sure you were aware. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 02:48, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was; see here. I considered that I might get blocked at one point as a sock of that editor, even though I was reverting him or her. I watch the Human skin color article because it can be problematic, and those socks were focused on human skin color; so I noticed them at the Human skin color article first. Flyer22 (talk) 02:53, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year: Hardiness (plants) article

Hi, your description of this edit as good faith is incredibly charitable. I'm a bit astounded xD Hekerui (talk) 10:51, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, Hekerui. I've noted before that I've learned my lesson; if some people want to state that I'm doing the wrong thing by reverting likely WP:Vandalism as "test/vandalism," and that I should rather WP:Assume good faith in cases where there is even a sliver of a chance of the edits not being WP:Vandalism (for example, regarding the case you cited, maybe that editor read that matter somewhere and believes it), then fine. I understand what you mean, but seeing comments that I'm now being too charitable humor me.

On a side note: I altered the heading of this section with "Hardiness (plants) article," so that it is clear as to what the section is about; it will also help identifying the section when it's archived. Flyer22 (talk) 12:22, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Extra comment: I actually didn't read all of that edit until you pointed it out to me; I reverted it because of the poor formatting and because it was unsourced. Flyer22 (talk) 12:30, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not about winning

Please stop your personal attacks and your attempts to game the system. Wikipedia is not about winning. And if you should have the last word, I have no problem giving it to you. 143.176.62.228 (talk) 20:11, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not about winning and Wikipedia:The Last Word essays are not the point when it comes to my interaction with you. The point of how I've interacted with you here at the Age disparity in sexual relationships article and here at the Conversion therapy article is that I do not respect you as a Wikipedia editor; this is because you are a WP:Disruptive editor who fails to listen to reason. You do not have a good grasp of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and you remind me of the highly problematic editor L'Origine du monde, who recently asked Beeblebrox and JamesBWatson for an unblock. At the Age disparity in sexual relationships article, you have been repeatedly reverted; those who have reverted you include Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), Chaheel Riens, Binksternet and, most recently, MrX. At the Conversion therapy article, you have been repeatedly reverted by Binksternet and MrX. And here, you were reverted there by Harry the Dirty Dog. I warned you there at that article's talk page that if you continued WP:Edit warring, I would report you at the WP:Edit warring noticeboard or at WP:ANI. And I would have, if Euryalus had not recently blocked you for 24 hours. With the way you were WP:Edit warring, blocking you for 60 hours would have been justified. It seems that by coming to my talk page, Euryalus was brought to the attention of your problematic editing, and therefore tried to reason with you on your talk page, and eventually blocked you. Flyer22 (talk) 21:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Analyzing your time stamp above and the time stamp for Euryalus's initial comment on your talk page, and, because of that, thinking that Euryalus must have already become aware of your editing, I see that it's elsewhere that you first caught Euryalus's attention. Flyer22 (talk) 23:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's correct, though I have this page watchlisted too. -- Euryalus (talk) 06:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you! The Henry Knox article.

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Hi thank you for editing Wiki, but Henry Knox was nicknamed "Knox the Ox" Books contain valuable information that kids ignore. I insure you that my edit was necessary. Thank You Benl Loves History (talk) 01:47, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Benl Loves History (talk · contribs). Thank you for the WP:Barnstar, but, regarding the Henry Knox article, your content should not be in the infobox. I reverted you the first time as a WP:Good faith edit. I reverted you the second time as WP:Vandalism. From what you stated, you are still editing in WP:Good faith, but you need to be mindful of WP:Disruptive editing and WP:Edit warring.

On a side note: I added "The Henry Knox article." to the heading above, so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help locating the section once it is archived. Also, you don't have to issue WP:Barnstars or other special tags to communicate with editors on their talk pages. To start a new section on an editor's talk page, simply click on "New section" at the top of the talk page of the editor you want to communicate with. For this discussion that we are currently having, all you need to do is continue replying in this section if you want to communicate with me further. And remember to sign your username when discussing matters on Wikipedia talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~. Flyer22 (talk) 02:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Beatles Invite

Hi! I've seen you around on The Beatles' articles... Would you consider becoming a member of WikiProject The Beatles, a WikiProject which aims to expand and improve coverage of The Beatles on Wikipedia? Please feel free to join us.

Abbey Road... You're not in this picture... yet!

Todo list:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe Vitale 5 (talk • contribs)

Joe Vitale 5, I've only been involved with Beetles Wikipedia matters regarding the article move discussions concerning that band. Since I'm not a fan of the band, though I may like a song or two (or more than two songs) from them, I decline your offer. Flyer22 (talk) 12:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, thank you anyway. Keep up the good work, with kind regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 13:08, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page FAQs

I don't totally understand what's up with Anthony Bradbury's opinion on the whole FAQ thing. But if his opinion is the prevailing one among admins, this makes the FAQ template useless except for mainspace pages. Yeah I don't get it either. But anyway, I found that the Template:FAQ2 is a good replacement as it makes the text live on the page itself rather than a sub-page. This seems to have some stability benefits as well, at least for me, as sometimes the FAQ would not load or reflect recent changes until a day later. If you watch any other pages with talk FAQs you might want to transition them over before he deletes those as well.Legitimus (talk) 13:44, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see here, I just told Anthony Bradbury that Talk:Pedophilia/FAQ can validly exist just like Talk:Homophobia/FAQ validly exists. If it were truly a problem, he would have deleted Talk:Homophobia/FAQ by now. I will either simply restore Talk:Pedophilia/FAQ, or wait and see if you do, or take the matter to WP:Deletion review for wider input. Now, however, I might reconsider, given what you've stated on the matter. Still, the double standard of Talk:Homophobia/FAQ continuing to exist while Talk:Pedophilia/FAQ does not is annoying to me. And I rarely stand for that type of double standard on Wikipedia. Flyer22 (talk) 14:00, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gentlemen, I have no strong feeling about this, and do not insist either on the deletion of the page or its retention. my point is that a talk page cannot exist on its own, without an article page to refer to; and the article page to which this talk page was related made no sense, and was itself as it stood a candidate qualifying for deletion. I do not deletion review will help you, although I shall not object at all if you try. Simple wheel-warring restoration is, I think, pointless, as another admin (not me) will delete it again. The answer surely is to re-write it so that it is encyclopedic? --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 14:51, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally I notice that Talk:Homophobia/FAQ is also a talk page with no article page to refer to, and hence qualifies for speedy deletion. Had my attention been drawn to it before I would have given deletion serious consideration, but had not seen it until now. I will not now delete it as that seems to me to be a possibly excessive reaction to your comment; I see that in this case the questions posed also appear on the talk page of Homophobia, which in my view is the correct place and indicates where the FAQs should be placed in the Pedophilia article. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 14:59, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a misunderstanding and it relates to Template:FAQ's very function and design. You just put {{FAQ}} on the talk page and nothing else. The material that appears for this on the talk page when saved does not actually reside on that page, but rather is pulled from a sub-page; in this instance, the text appearing in that part of Talk:Homophobia actually lives on Talk:Homophobia/FAQ. If you delete Talk:Homophobia/FAQ, the FAQ part on Talk:Homophobia becomes blank. This page/sub-page setup is simple how the template was designed, so if what you say is correct, then this template simply isn't valid anymore for this purpose.Legitimus (talk) 15:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Bradbury, I'm not a male/man, actually. As for rewriting Talk:Pedophilia/FAQ so that it is encyclopedic, it's not an article. It's not supposed to be an article. It's a FAQ, and it was a WP:Subpage of Talk:Pedophilia, and showed up at Talk:Pedophilia like the FAQ that it was, just like Talk:Homophobia/FAQ shows up at Talk:Homophobia like the FAQ that it is. Anyway, as you now know, fellow WP:Administrator Floquenbeam disagrees with you; so I'll see how that plays out. And, Floquenbeam, as for what you stated in that diff-link, I think you've had my user page/talk page on your WP:Watchlist since my March 2012 block case; see here. Flyer22 (talk) 15:52, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, Talk:Pedophilia/FAQ has been restored, per reasoning on Anthony's talk page. And Flyer22, I think you're right about why this page is on my watchlist, thanks. My memory only lasts about 25 minutes these days... --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:16, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Flyer22: My apologies for the inexcusable gender mal-assumption. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 16:47, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Npr article

Can you explain the difference between the npr article and the blog post on mangia.tv. thank you Bob.mangia (talk) 17:08, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Bob.mangia (talk · contribs). You are wondering why I reverted you here, correct? As seen on your talk page, I considered that you were adding WP:SPAM. I had meant to check up on that revert to make sure that it was WP:SPAM. If it's not WP:SPAM, I apologize for reverting you. Feel free to add the link back...properly, by adding it to the External links section of the article; see WP:Layout.

On a side note: I moved your post down and created a section for it because it was highjacking the #Talk page FAQs discussion on my talk page above. Per Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Layout, new topics go at the bottom of a talk page (generally). Flyer22 (talk) 01:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Talk

Hi. WP:Talk makes it very clear that breaking up an thread in the interest of refactoring and staying on topic is completely appropriate. Please read Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Others.27_comments, paying attention to the sections on Off-topic posts and Sectioning. I will offer you the choice of accepting {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}} boxing around your digression if you prefer, but I insist that you remain on-topic w/r/t the question of improper synthesis/OR. --April Arcus (talk) 05:20, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You said in an edit summary, "When I state that I do not want my comment tampered with, that is exactly what I mean. Now do leave it alone, per WP:Talk.". You are not reading the contents of the policies you are citing, and you are deliberately steering a discussion off-topic. The rules are not only for you.

Plip!

--April Arcus (talk) 05:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

April Arcus, WP:Talk makes it very clear that you generally should not mess with another editor's comment, and, that when the editor objects to you messing with it, then you should leave it alone. There are only a few exceptions for you messing with an editor's comment; what you have cited above is not one of those exceptions in this case. There is nothing about my comments that is off-topic, and I've been very clear with this latest edit that you should leave my comments alone. If you continue to mess with them, then I will take the matter right to WP:ANI. I ceased discussion with you at that talk page for a reason -- a reason that is noted there (multiple reasons, actually). If I wanted to communicate with you further, I would have. I don't. Flyer22 (talk) 05:36, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, WP:Talk is not a policy; it is a guideline. I am the one who is constantly having to inform and remind you of certain Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and of the WP:Advocacy essay. I've noted the following before: There is not a Wikipedia policy or a guideline that I need to become familiar with. I am one of the editors who knows each and every one of them. You already know that I do not tolerate WP:Advocacy; my user page is clear about that. I don't care what your cause is, as long as you do not let that cause inappropriately affect your Wikipedia edits. Flyer22 (talk) 05:47, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So do you want to communicate further or not? --April Arcus (talk) 06:03, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

April Arcus, I'll eventually get back to discussion with you at that article, comparing WP:Reliable sources, including WP:MEDRS-compliant sources, and such. But like I stated, I am waiting for James Cantor to weigh in there on the matters you have addressed. I know that he's had his battles with transgender topics on Wikipedia, mainly involving this editor, which is why he made this pledge, but he is an expert on the transgender topics at hand and has access to more sources on them than I do. I find him rational and willing to listen to me even when my knowledge on sexology topics clashes with his knowledge on them, as recently as this discussion. Flyer22 (talk) 06:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

LBP3 (LittleBigPlanet 3) article reverting?

Hey, you reverted all my changes made to the LittleBigPlanet 3 article and I was just wondering why? I don't edit wikipedia much but I actually worked on the development team for the game so wanted the page to be a bit more informative than it is now. So was there a reason and if not, is there any way to get back the changes I made? I spent quite a while typing up the plot! haha

Cheers, Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.136.96 (talk • contribs)

I don't play that game or any video games these days; I mainly played them when my brothers and I lived together (we grew up playing video games). Anyway, I came across the LittleBigPlanet 3 article via WP:STiki, and I reverted you because the formatting was partly inappropriate and you added unsourced material, some of which looked trivial to me. Per MOS:HEAD, headings are in lowercase (except for official titles, such as the title of a book or a film). And, per WP:Plot, there is a limit to the plot information we include. For example, WP:TVPlot and WP:FilmPlot are plot guidelines for television and film...respectively. For video game layout matters, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines. As for retrieving your content, you can click on this link (which is your edit before I reverted you), and then click on the "edit" option for that link. You can go into that version of the article and retrieve your copy with the "copy and paste" feature on your computer. You can also save that version of that article (by clicking "Save page" below the editing window) and subsequently restore the article to your version, but that will erase any edits made since then, such as this edit by Soetermans.

On a side note: I added "(LittleBigPlanet 3)" to the heading above, so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help locating the section once it is archived. I would alert you to my reply on your IP talk page, but, judging by your edits to the LittleBigPlanet 3 article and now to my talk page, you clearly change IP addresses. Flyer22 (talk) 05:24, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I was actually just using the LBP2 wikipedia page as a guide for the LBP3 page, that has a hefty Plot section too. Ive just been editing from my laptop, so sorry if my IP address is changing, not sure how to control that!

Cheers, Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.136.96 (talk • contribs)

Glastonbury Festival is Avalon

Glastonbury Festival is Avalon...Atlantis is Avalon...holy graal????????? this is a shame! without corrections wikipedia is unreliable Avalon belong in the Arthurian myths and not do the tour guide of mendacious Glastonbury...why you deleted my edits?--79.12.99.161 (talk) 10:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. Knowing what I know about Wikipedia, I wouldn't fully trust it for reliability either without checking the sources supporting its text. If the sources are wrong, I'd then blame the sources. Thank you for explaining your edit after I reverted you. You should have briefly explained in the edit history, however; I mean, better than the "fantasy" edit summary you gave as an explanation. Flyer22 (talk) 10:57, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Uh-oh, Noyster reverted you for WP:Block evasion. Flyer22 (talk) 11:00, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's history here, Flyer, in more ways than one. I've put it on the RPP list again: Noyster (talk), 11:12, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For your amusement

Hey Flyer, I thought you'd get a good, hearty laugh out of this discussion. I think it's funniest if you read the last post aloud in an angry voice. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for trying to get a laugh out of me, Cyphoidbomb, but the way that Jackthomas321 is so disrespectful makes me sad. I hope that he only talks that way because of the anonymity of the Internet (not having to state those things to a person's face); otherwise, I assume that he generally is not a person people should be around in real life. May my sisters or heterosexual or bisexual female friends never have a boyfriend or a husband who is like that. Flyer22 (talk) 06:48, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is shocking, abhorrent and so deeply disrespectful that it can only be self-hatred blended with misogyny. I can't laugh at that. May your wish come true, Flyer22. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Your point is very well understood, Flyer, and pity is a rational response to him. I found it pitiable, but still hilarious, because I appreciate the absurdities of human behavior. Because I didn't fit his shallow model of masculinity, (I wasn't shouting back at him or getting angry) he assumed I must be a woman instead, as if only women must be polite and level-headed. (Frankly, that sounds a lot like misandry too.) He actually said of his own free will: "When something is wrong, a Real Man gets angry whereas a coward behaves polite." If there's one thing a bigot is, it's ignorant. And believe me, it was my instinct to deliver an equivalent tirade about misogyny and to tell him that Western society shuns that absurd mindset, but based on how quickly he is prone to irrational responses and rage, and assuming that his comments are in earnest, I think he's far beyond broken, and polite society will kick his ass accordingly, or banish him to his miserable comfort zone, a byproduct of a backward mindset, rather than as a catalyst for change and improvement. Also there were Do Not Feed the Trolls considerations, which precluded me from poking the bear. Sorry you didn't at least get a chuckle, but on the other hand, I got a real taste of misogyny directed at me, which was educational. :/ Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:14, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both. Yes, Cyphoidbomb, what you experienced with Jackthomas321 is undoubtedly what a lot of girls and women face. I've thankfully mostly experienced misogyny on the Internet, as opposed to in real life, but I've experienced sexism often enough, including occasionally from my brothers. As a child, the sexism was the typical "girls are weaker/you can't play this game" type of thing. As an adult, my typical experience with sexism is when a teenage boy or a man states something insulting to me because he apparently finds me attractive; that was also the case when I was a mid-to-late teenager. It's interesting to get your take on misogyny and sexism, since you are a man. Of course, you and Cullen328 are upstanding men from what I can tell, so I appreciate your opinions either way. Flyer22 (talk) 07:27, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) I was really shocked reading the comments. I get deeply affected when I see so many Indian men being so misogynistic. One particular comment on Indian women and dogs was especially disturbing. What a terrible, terrible thing to say. :( -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 07:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that was pretty effed up to say. The guy was simultaneously trying to claim he is enlightened, by expressing awareness that harming women isn't acceptable, and that in his culture, women are less than dogs, which he acknowledges as wrong, but somehow, because I didn't agree that the week-by-week gross values at PK (film) were noteworthy, I'm a special case who needs to be made an example of by being called a prostitute, by suggesting I'm fellating admins, etc. As a man, I want his testicles revoked. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:14, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm reminded of what the great Sofia Vergara had to say to something similar: "What's wrong with having a dick in my mouth"? Classic! -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 09:21, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Operations vs 'surgeries'

Hi Flyer, I've left this message at the WP:Medmos talk page too.

If you are talking about the discipline, it is surgery. If you are talking about an operating room in the UK, it is called a surgery, so multiple operating rooms might be surgeries. But the procedure is an operation. Multiple surgical procedures are called operations, not 'surgeries'.

BakerStMD T|C 16:01, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

BakerStMD, thanks for taking this matter to the WP:MEDMOS talk page; I'll comment there. Flyer22 (talk) 16:06, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of info in Mary Kay Letourneau article and comment about "fun"

Hello there Flyer 22. There was no reason for you to delete Fualaau's date of birth from the article. That was legitimate information. Also, I don't inject my personal opinion into articles. The comment about the boy having "fun" was placed in the revision history, NOT the article itself.

For your information, Letourneau was an absolute idiot.

Anthony22 (talk) 14:47, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony22 (talk · contribs), as you know, I'd already explained why I deleted your content. As for your "fun" comment, you were editing from a POV (your personal opinion) mindset; that mindset affected your editing, and I commented on it. As for Letourneau being an idiot, let me guess: You think she's an idiot because she didn't hide her sexual crime well enough and instead got caught for it...twice? Flyer22 (talk) 15:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cock tease: It wasn't tagged by the Women's History project

And cock tease has nothing to do with women's history as described by the project. That's why I removed it. Ongepotchket (talk) 13:58, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ongepotchket, as you likely saw, that Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's History tag was added by Dimadick in 2011. You are certain that Dimadick was not a member Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's History? Either way, one does not have to be a member of a WikiProject to tag an article talk page with one of its tags, and a person can easily become a member by simply deciding that they are a member. I reverted you here for the reasons stated in that edit summary. Cock tease, which is about, "derisive sexual slang used to describe a woman who acts in a sexual manner to seduce men without actually fulfilling the sexual actions," and is a "term [that] has been in use in Great Britain and the United States since the 19th century," "has nothing to do with women's history as described by the project"? What part of that project's page, as it currently is, makes it clear that the cock tease topic is not within its scope? I anticipated you reverting me and/or bringing this topic to my talk page; if you had reverted me, I would have taken the matter to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's History so that they can discuss it. Perhaps the matter should be taken there for discussion regardless.

By the way, I altered the heading of this section with "Cock tease:" so that it is clearer as to what this section is about. Flyer22 (talk) 16:50, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I trust your edits and input, and the tagging for this article is not a hill I wish to die on today. Probably not tomorrow either. Consider the matter dropped on my end. Ongepotchket (talk) 17:03, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding "beautiful" on Campione!

Hi, as a suggestion on keeping the word "beautiful", you can rewrite the statement as "the (source) anime profile describes her as beautiful" or "X calls her a beautiful". If the premise of the story notes that she is a beauty then that can be cited. That should keep it NPOV. -AngusWOOF (talk) 16:29, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AngusWOOF, I went to the Campione! article because I had just finished watching the Campione! English dubbed anime in between finishing up some computer-related work. When I finish a series or a film (for example, Nightcrawler starring Jake Gyllenhaal), I am likely to visit the Wikipedia article to see what shape the article is in and to see what critics and/or fans thought of the series or film (trusting the WP:Reliable sources more so than the unsourced content). That is, if I haven't already visited the Wikipedia article and learned of that stuff. I was annoyed by this edit an IP made to the Campione! article (not sure if that IP is you), which is why I made this WP:Dummy edit, but I'm not interested in pressing the matter. I know that beauty is subjective (well, it often isn't when it's a person that people will generally view as beautiful), but when the character is consistently described or otherwise viewed as beautiful in the series or in the film, I find it odd that someone would mark the plot information as some type of non-neutral POV. If the character was consistently described or otherwise viewed as ugly, a jock, or a nerd, for example, I doubt that the "non-neutral POV" claim would pop up. Or rather I think it would not have a good chance of popping up. Flyer22 (talk) 16:50, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with retaining such descriptions. I haven't combed through that article like I did with the List of High School DxD characters which has characters that were considered "beautiful" and were called "yamato nadeshiko" by the author and the characters (Akeno in particular). I recently redid List of Totally Spies! characters where on the main three characters, I had removed a bunch of those adjectives, only to put some of them back once I had read the profiles coming from their television websites. As for the Campione! article, I think the character descriptions are way too long but I agree with you that I don't really feel like reading the light novel to find out; perhaps there are description profiles from the light novels and the afterwords that would be sufficient as sources. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:14, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the character descriptions in the Campione! article are far too long, and that article clearly needs fixing up in general. Speaking of High School DxD, though, I've enjoyed that series a lot. While it does have much unnecessary sexual fan service, I was hooked on that show from the first episode, an episode that is both funny and scary. The show has a nice blend of humor, action and horror, and I made sure to watch the uncensored version. Watching some Season 1 episodes of the non-dubbed version, I see that some of the words that were changed in the English-dubbed version come across significantly better in the non-dubbed version where they are unchanged. My youngest sister loves the series as well, mainly for the love story between Issei and Rias, but hates the sexual fan service that's in it. For example, the first episode of the English dub has all sorts of sexual talk and slang (including dated slang) that is not in the non-dubbed version. And, to be clear, the love story between Issei and Rias is the main reason that I also watch that anime. To that, my sister perhaps would say, "Hey, we're women. Can you blame us?" And then smack herself for the stereotype. Flyer22 (talk) 18:50, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As an additional note: AngusWOOF, I'm not sure what I think of the Campione! anime. It held my attention, per some of the things seen in this trailer for it, but it has a cheesy voice-over introduction (which seems intentionally cheesy) and the romance between Godou and Erica is not well-executed (though I believed that Erica was in love with him for whatever reason). At least the fan service was not overboard. I'm not sure if I should read the Campione! light novel or what. I skimmed a bit of the Campione! manga after watching the anime, but Godou looks too different and significantly younger in the manga, so that made me not too interested in reading it. I prefer that the characters have physical consistency when it comes to manga-to-anime adaptations or vice versa. Flyer22 (talk) 17:39, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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