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== [[Empire State Building]] ==

Hello Ken, I see that you have changed the number of floors to 102, this is inaccurate as there is another floor above 102 and is featured (with references) later in the article. I thought it wise to inform you, rather than just reverting. Regards, David, [[User:David J Johnson|David J Johnson]] ([[User talk:David J Johnson|talk]]) 10:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
:There are two references provided that the building has only 102 floors. That there is a floor numbered 103 doesn't change this, it simply means that the numbering isn't correct. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 16:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

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::Already {{done}}, I believe. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 01:16, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

== Marble Hill clarification ==

Beyond My Ken: The revision on Marble Hill remains confusing; specifically, how can Marble Hill - which is a "northernmost neighborhood in the New York City borough of Manhattan" - also be "the only Manhattan neighborhood on the mainland of North America"? In effect, why is a ''Manhattan neighborhood'' being conflated here, with the ''North American mainland''? Can you further clarify this?[[User:Ronsword|Ronsword]] ([[User talk:Ronsword|talk]]) 06:06, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:Perhaps you should read the article? It's pretty clear about the situation, and there's no "conflation" going on.<p>Marble Hill was originally part of the island of Manhattan, as well as the '''''borough''''' of Manhattan. The Harlem River separated it from The Bronx, which is the only borough of New York City which is on the American mainland. Then, in order to assist shipping traffic, the Harlem River Ship Canal was built, just below Marble Hill, disconnecting it from Manhattan island, and turning Marble Hill into an island of its own, within a semicircle the ship canal to the south, and the Harlem River surrounding it in a semicircle from the east to the west. Next, the original path of the Harlem River was filled in, making Marble Hill part of the North American mainland, but it was still politically part of the '''''borough''''' of Manhattan, although still no longer part of Manhattan '''''island'''''. And that's the condition that maintains still. Marble Hill is part of the borough of Manhattan (contiguous with New York County, and for all intents and purposes indistinguishable from it), but physically connected to the North American mainland, surrounded by The Bronx. Therefore it's the northernmost neighborhood in Manhattan, and the only one which is on the North American mainland. (Other neighborhoods of the borough of Manhattan are not on Manhattan island -- Roosevelt Island -- but they are not on the mainland.)<p>Clear? [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 06:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
::Ah, now I see after re-reading it, i.e., Marble Hill is the only ''Manhattan neighborhood'' on the North American mainland. (The initial sentence previous my revision, confused me because it read: "....the ''only one'' (italics mine) on the North American mainland" implying the ''only'' neighborhood on the entire North American mainland. The addition of 'Manhattan neighborhood' clears it up.[[User:Ronsword|Ronsword]] ([[User talk:Ronsword|talk]]) 07:27, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

== [[Little Boxes]] Reference ==

Hello,

I added a reference to the [[Little Boxes]] article and you have removed it. I'm not sure why as my understanding is that everything should be cited from somewhere else and there is now no reference again. I also don't understand your summary? - (Undid revision 650499831 by Staceydolxx (talk) If it's a "variatoopnm)

Thanks, ツ[[user:Staceydolxx|Stacey]] ([[user talk:Staceydolxx|talk]]) 07:28, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, unfortunately, I hit the "return" button in the middle of typing and the sense of my response was truncated. What I was trying to say is that if it is a "variation" on "Little Boxes" then it is not "Litt;e Boxes" ''per se'', and you need to provide a reference that says, essentially, "this is a variation on 'Little Boxes'", not simply one which says "this film exists", which is what I believe you provided. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 09:09, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks for your speedy response. My opinion is that if we can't reference something it should be removed from the encyclopaedia - so I am a little unsure of your reasons for keeping the content and then deleting the best indicator of its accuracy. I have found another source but I am not sure how reliable it is as its an Italian article. I would like to put it in alongside the previous reference (to further prove the band who performed it); unless you have any objections? http://movieplayer.it/articoli/boxtrolls-le-scatole-magiche-la-colonna-sonora_13422/ Thanks, ツ[[user:Staceydolxx|Stacey]] ([[user talk:Staceydolxx|talk]]) 09:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

:::Sure, go ahead. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 19:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

==Little Syria==

Beyond My Ken, you mention, pov, what pov? I made one simple little edit, which if you read the whole paragraph carefully, you'll see that it is more encyclopedic. The wiki article mentions, before the sentence in question, that around 5% of the Arabs that lived there were Muslim. The NYT mentions that the 5% were chiefly from Palestine, however the article then states that "The Syrians and Lebanese in the neighborhood were mostly Christian". By saying that "The Christians lived on Washington Street", then you are implicitly implying that all the Muslims lived on another street. Keep in mind that Little Syria was not 100% Syrian/Lebanese, the wiki article then goes on to mention that "other ethnic groups lived in this diverse neighborhood, and it mentions Turks, who are mostly Muslim. Therefore my intention by substituting "Christian" with "Syrian", was to back up the previous sentence that mentions the 5% Muslims, and to make the article as npov as possible. [[User:George Al-Shami|George Al-Shami]] ([[User talk:George Al-Shami|talk]]) 00:34, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
:We're not going to have this discussion here. Please go to [[Talk:Little Syria, Manhattan#Description of neighborhood]] and make your argument there -- oh, and take a moment to read [[WP:BRD]]. Your '''B'''old edit was '''R'''everted and this is followed by '''D'''iscussion, while the article stays in the ''status quo ante''. Anything else is [[WP:EW|edit warring]]. Please stop. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:42, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
:::All right, I just noticed that you reverted for the third time without taking taking into consideration the logic and the intention behind my edit. Then you employ the F-word, you are a very nasty and abusive person and it appears you always assume that other editors have bad faith when making edits. I will take this to the board.[[User:George Al-Shami|George Al-Shami]] ([[User talk:George Al-Shami|talk]]) 00:46, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
::::I just said, we're not discussing this here. Did you notice? [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:49, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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:Asshole. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 02:14, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

== March 2015 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''24 hours''' for [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit warring]] and violating the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. However, you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first.<p>During a dispute, you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] and seek [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[Wikipedia:Page protection|page protection]]. &nbsp;[[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em grey'><big>'''S</big><small>warm...'''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'><sup>'''&mdash;X&mdash;'''</sup></span>]] 07:22, 10 March 2015 (UTC)</p></div><!-- Template:uw-3block -->
*Sorry BMK, you have no excuse though. You broke 3rr, you were reported, you were let off the hook without any hesitation by an admin, and you immediately reverted again. 5 reverts in about 26 1/2 hours. The first four and the last four were within 24 hours of each other. You had plenty of time to recognize this and self-revert. I can let one 3rr vio slide (something we don't normally do by the way), but I'd have a hard time justifying ignoring such a blatant disregard for the rule. Feel free to look at my comments at AN3 as well. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em grey'><big>'''S</big><small>warm...'''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'><sup>'''&mdash;X&mdash;'''</sup></span>]] 07:31, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
**Ah.... can someone please explain to me how making a completely different edit to Little Syria than those which were reported earlier equals a violation of 3RR? The material was entirely different, totally unrelated to the previous edits. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 07:36, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
***Here is the first edit of the series for which I was '''''not''''' blocked. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Little_Syria,_Manhattan&diff=650539084&oldid=650492819], and here is the last edit, for which I '''''was''''' blocked. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Little_Syria,_Manhattan&diff=650711100&oldid=650711031]. These are not related in any way, how can they collectively be a 3RR violation? [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 07:42, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
****{{ping|Swarm}} Please explain. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 07:43, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
::::*From [[WP:3RR]]: "An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—'''''whether involving the same or different material'''''—within a 24-hour period." (emphasis mine) [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em grey'><big>'''S</big><small>warm...'''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'><sup>'''&mdash;X&mdash;'''</sup></span>]] 07:51, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::*You're kidding me!! Whodathunk it?<p>Well, even though that's certainly not the way that in my almost 10 years here I've seen 3RR enforced in practice (and, interestingly, it's not even the way the AN3 reporting template is set up), then you've certainly got me fair and square by the precise and exact letter of the law. I guess I'll have to edit for the next day using one of my many sockpuppets.<p>WHAT!?!?.. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 07:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::*@Swarm Re: your description of my edit as "brazen". If I was actually attempting to get away with something, I would have waited a little over an hour to do my final edit. If I had held off until 1:05 (which is is say one hour and eight minutes from when I actually made the last edit at 23:57), then my reverts witinh a 24 hour period would have been at 20:31, 21:13 and 1:05. So, if I had understood the rule as you've recited it here, and was in fact attempting to subvert it, '''''that''''' would have been a entirely "brazen" move. What you've got here isn't "brazen".<p>Oh well, I need a short respite. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 08:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::::* @BMK, I have two curiosity questions. I don't see Swarm describing an edit of your as "brazen" on ''this'' page. Somewhere else? I do see "blatant". What do you mean by "the way the AN3 reporting template is set up"?--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 23:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::::*"Brazen" was in his comment on the AN3 page. More on the second as soon as I take another look at the template. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 23:59, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::::*OK, I just wanted to see if I was remembering something incorrectly, but I wasn't. The instructions say, at one point:
:::::::::*'''In the section below, link to a version from before all the reverting took place, and which proves the diffs are reverts by showing material the same or similar to what is being reverted to.'''
:::::::::So, if the report is intended to deal with reverts which are "the same or similar", my last revert does not count, since it was about a different part of the article, and didn't involve the same material at all. It would seem to me that either the defintiion quoted to me by Swarm should be changed, or the template should be changed, as they are -- I think -- saying different things. I have an opinion on that, but it would just seem self-serving at this point, so I'll withhold it for another occasion. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:06, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Thanks. At some point when I have the energy I may see about getting that instruction changed. I've never liked having to provide that link as it's often problematic, and the instruction is arguably contrary to policy.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 00:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I remember a while back a big discussion about what constituted a "revert". Like most big discussions here I don't think it went anywhere particular, but I think I can say with some confidence that the popular understanding among working editors about what is and isn't a "revert" in the context of 3RR is different from what Swarm quoted to me, in that it is limited to "same or similar" material and doesn't include extraneous edits of other material, such as the edit that got me sent up the river to the Big House. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying that's how a lot (maybe most) rank-and-file editors understand it. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:29, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{ping|Bbb23}} <s>As long as you're here, could you please inform George Al-Shami than he shouldn't restore his comment to this talk page after I've removed it? Thanks.</s> (Also that it's not exactly cricket to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Little_Syria,_Manhattan&diff=650820006&oldid=650819285 post negative comments about me] elswhere &ndash; in response to a question directed to me &ndash; when he knows I cannot respond.) [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:33, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Never mind, looking at the page's history, it seems that I never deleted it when I thought I had the first time, so when it "reappeared" it was through my error, and not because George Al-Shami restored it. My mistake, my apologies to GAS for the error. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:56, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

== Pile on QG ==

Hi, it isn't just e-cig people isupporting banning, it is the fringe advocate WP:SPAs generally adding their bits too. -[[User:Roxy the dog|Roxy the dog™]] ([[User talk:Roxy the dog|resonate]]) 21:07, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks, you're right. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 21:08, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

== 91 or 9 at ANI ==

Kingofaces data showed i have 91 edits to e-coigs; you data shows 9... not sure which is right... [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 04:30, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
:AH! That's where the errant "1" went to, I couldn't figure it out. I'll fix it. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 04:38, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

== What if ??? ==

I saw your note on L. Black's talk. Seems very hypothetical now, but no - I'm not a supporter of removing TPA outside of abuse. (over use of unblock, personal attacks, etc.) I know many others ''DO'' support that removal, just not me. I've never been one who wanted to silence anyone. As far as "watching" the page - yes, I do keep things like that on my watchlist, and check back from time to time even if they don't show up there (on the watchlist). Thanks for the note. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 17:35, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
:OK, thanks for the response, I appreciate it. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 21:41, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

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:Thanks for the note. Not my image, I just cleaned it up. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 23:40, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:*My pleasure, thanks. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 01:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

== AN/I==

[[User:Beyond My Ken]], there won't be an indef topic ban for AF no matter what the community consensus is. The norm is at least a year. That won't happen. [[User:QuackGuru|QuackGuru]] ([[User talk:QuackGuru|talk]]) 05:34, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
*I don't believe I ever called for an '''''indef''''' topic ban. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 10:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

== [[Glenn Miller]] ==

I removed that link because it is for a travel blog. Please refer to [[WP:EL#ADV]]. The user that originally added it to the article was adding links to the same website in numerous articles in a clear effort to promote that website. The information in the blog is unencyclopedic and contains factual errors in many cases. The user has been warned on their talk page about promoting that site. See [[User talk:Marcja1970]]. Some of other links like findagrave and IMDB should also be probably be removed also but I am not that interested in the article so I'll leave it up to someone else to argue about. From [[Wikipedia:External links]]:
*''External links in an article can be helpful to the reader, but they should be kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article.''
*''Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject, one should generally avoid providing external links.''
'''<font color="#0000FF">[[User:Nyth83|Nyth]]</font><font color="#00CC66">[[User talk:Nyth83|63]]</font>''' 01:17, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:OK, thanks for the explanation. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 01:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
::That particular instance was added under [[Special:Contributions/98.150.96.146]]. The rest were under [[Special:Contributions/Marcja1970]]. Every edit by those two users were adding external links to that web site. He/she/they got away with it for quite a while. The first edit was 17 October last year and the most recent was two days ago. I use the tool at [[Special:LinkSearch]] to ferret out this type of spammy vandalism. '''<font color="#0000FF">[[User:Nyth83|Nyth]]</font><font color="#00CC66">[[User talk:Nyth83|63]]</font>''' 01:38, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

== Altgeld Hall ==

Were my edits on the Altgeld Hall article not constructive? I'm new to editing Wikipedia, so I apologize if they weren't. I felt like I cleared up some of the language a little. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Edlisfraedi|Edlisfraedi]] ([[User talk:Edlisfraedi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Edlisfraedi|contribs]]) 01:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:They weren't at all '''''unconstructive''''' in any way, I just thought the most of the previous wording was better (and we generally repeat information from the infobox in the lede section). You did nothing wrong, you simply have to expect that other editors will re-edit your work, it's par for the course. If you feel strongly about your changes when that happens, talking it out can (usually) be helpful. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 01:32, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
::I'm not at all upset that you undid my edits. As I said, I'm new to Wikipedia, so I just thought I'd ask why you undid them. I realize many of my edits in the future will be undone, but luckily I have a pretty thick skin so I won't take offense. By the way, when you're thinking of editing an article, do you edit its talk page and ask if your edits are appropriate before committing them? If you only do it part of the time, how do you decide? [[User:Edlisfraedi|Edlisfraedi]] ([[User talk:Edlisfraedi|talk]]) 02:46, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:::I think it differs from editor to editor. I may be wrong person to ask in this instance, because I have a tendency to be [[WP:BOLD]] and go ahead and do the edit if I think it's the right thing to do, and deal with the consequences later, if there are any (which is not generally the case). Sometimes that gets me into hot water and a dispute with another editor, but not usually. Certainly, if you're just copyediting, go ahead and make the change, the worst that will happen is that you'll be reverted with a snippy edit summary. If you're planning on making an extensive change to the article's formatting or structure, many editors will run that by the talk page -- but be prepared for what might be a '''''long''''' discussion, and an indeterminate result (which is why I find it easier just to do it). It all depends, I guess, on how confident you are about the edit, how many others editors are invested in the page and to what extent, and, frankly, how good you are at editing.<p>You might want to ask your question at the [[WP:TEAHOUSE]], where they specialize in guiding novice editors through the Wikipedia morass. It's quite possible that I'm a bit jaded, and my answer to you is more cynical than it should be. Good luck. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 02:57, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

::::Thanks, that helps a lot! [[User:Edlisfraedi|Edlisfraedi]] ([[User talk:Edlisfraedi|talk]]) 03:29, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

=="Arabist"==
I have responded on the talk page of the article.[[User:George Al-Shami|George Al-Shami]] ([[User talk:George Al-Shami|talk]]) 04:50, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:Goody. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 05:02, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

==[[Swing Time]]==
Hello -

I see you removed the additional information I submitted on the 1936 RKO film "Spring Time" regarding the initial working titles for the film. I found the information in a book about Jerome Kern and his works and included it as the source citation.

I am sorry you feel my added information is not worthy of the Wikipedia article on "Spring Time." Since the information is valid and may prove of interest to others, I don't know why you chose to remove it.

Thank you for your time.
Juanaquena <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Juanaquena|Juanaquena]] ([[User talk:Juanaquena|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Juanaquena|contribs]]) 00:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hello, again -

:I see where you moved the information I provided about the initial titles of the 1936 RKO film "Swing Time" to a new Production section in the Wikipedia article.

:Thank you -
:Juanaquena <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Juanaquena|Juanaquena]] ([[User talk:Juanaquena|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Juanaquena|contribs]]) 00:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Just a note, the movie is "Swing Time" not "Spring Time". And yes, I moved your sourced addition into a production section, as I thought it wasn't best placed in the article's lede. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:59, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

== Removal of comments ==

You're hereby warned not to remove or modify others' comments. -[[User:A1candidate |<b><font color="#380B61">A1candidate </font></b>]] 01:05, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
:I didn't touch your comment, it still existed exactly as it did before, only inside a collapse box, where it belonged. Don't reply. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 01:21, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2|''American politics 2'' arbitration case]] opened ==

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::Thank you. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 08:28, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

== [[Mel Blanc]] Reply ==

Aight. Go ahead and falsify the events leading to his death despite there being recorded video of his son talking about what happened. [[User:Rusted AutoParts|<font face="Rockwell" size="3" style="color:#000000;color:red"><i>Rusted AutoParts</i></font>]] 22:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
:There's no need for that attitude, and there's also no guarantee that the son's perception of events is correct. I'm not saying that he doesn't believe it, or that he is wrong, but is there any independent evidence to back it up? I don't know, all I know is what I wrote on your talk page, that if you wish this information to be in the article, you '''''must''''' accompany it with a citation from a reliable source, not a YouTube video. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 22:42, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
::Which I did, which you then decided wasn't reliable, despite this website being used before. All I know is I have a source that has his '''son''' saying what happened, and for whatever reason you rejected it. I don't believe in misrepresenting events, so I implore you to reconsider. [[User:Rusted AutoParts|<font face="Rockwell" size="3" style="color:#000000;color:red"><i>Rusted AutoParts</i></font>]] 23:00, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Please read [[WP:RS]]. Again, YouTube is not accepted as a reliable source. Work within that please, and find a citation from a reliable source that found Noel Blanc's claim to be credible enough to report it. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 23:03, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
::::K. Fuck me for assuming a '''family member''' was a good source, right? [[User:Rusted AutoParts|<font face="Rockwell" size="3" style="color:#000000;color:red"><i>Rusted AutoParts</i></font>]] 23:10, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Noel Blanc is a '''''primary source'''''. What we need is a '''''secondary source''''''. See [[WP:Primary sources]]. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:29, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

== blah ==

You're so worried about if I get formatting at the ANI screwed up that you won't even take the time to finish answering my questions? Will you please now go and answer my follow-up questions instead of being just one more wiki "admin." who "can't be bothered" with follow-up questions?

Thanks if so.... [[Special:Contributions/75.162.237.213|75.162.237.213]] ([[User talk:75.162.237.213|talk]]) 06:32, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
:(1) I'm not an admin, (2) I have no interest in answering the questions of an editor who is evading a block. (3) Go away, you're an idiot. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 06:35, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

::If you're not an admin., then why are you even there posing as one, trying to answer a few things, and then trying to tell people to not "mess around" with the ANI? And where do you get the idea that a block I was given just for creating 6 accounts in one day is even "valid" even though the system '''allows''' it?

::Nope, '''you''' are the idiot, and '''you''' should go away. Don't go act like an admin. if you are not one, idiot.

::[[Special:Contributions/75.162.237.213|75.162.237.213]] ([[User talk:75.162.237.213|talk]]) 06:41, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
:::{{tping|75.162.237.213}} Please don't bait other editors. The discussion you started did not belong at ANI in the first place. I suggest that you let the matter drop. Thanks. [[User:Philg88|<span style="color:#3a23e2; font-weight:bold; text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em;">&nbsp;Philg88&nbsp;</span>]]<sup>♦[[User_talk:Philg88|talk]]</sup> 06:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::[[WP:Duck|This is]] an [[WP:IP|IP]] [[WP:Sockpuppet|Sockpuppet]] of blocked user [[User:IDriveAStickShift]], who has ''many'' blocked IPs. [[User:JoeSperrazza|JoeSperrazza]] ([[User talk:JoeSperrazza|talk]]) 06:59, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::No surprise there. Thanks for the info. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 07:01, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::::He's now vandalizing [[WP:AN/I]] and complaining about you. [[User:JoeSperrazza|JoeSperrazza]] ([[User talk:JoeSperrazza|talk]]) 07:10, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I saw. I assume someone will delete it and issue a block. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 07:11, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

== AN/I Notice ==

Just informing you as the IP failed to do so.

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. - [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] ([[User talk:Amaury|talk]]) 07:12, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks, I saw. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 07:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

== Request for Advice ==

Hey. Recently, you filed a speedy deletion request for an attack page of {{ping|DHeyward}}. The request didn't go through because DHeyward blanked the page himself and asked for it be deleted himself, which meant the discussion got closed prematurely- however the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADHeyward%2FArchive_17&diff=653427321&oldid=652834475 archive] he created of the page is still there. I politely asked DHeyward that he remove them on his talk page, but he just deleted my request- what avenue do I pursue from here? [[Special:Contributions/PeterTheFourth|PeterTheFourth]] ([[User Talk:PeterTheFourth|talk]]) 19:01, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
:Let me try something. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 22:15, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
::Well, that didn't work. I deleted it from the archive and he reverted and accused me of lieing about the material in the edit summary. (I have no idea what he means by that, I merely described it as material that duplicated the deleted page.) I don't see any alternative except to bring it to AN/I, but I'm not going to do it. This person seems extremely stressed and possibly a bit paranoid about being "harrassed" by multiple editors, and an AN/I report is liable to get very, very messy. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 23:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
:::I appreciate the effort and advice. When I'm home and using a more stable internet connection, I think I'll submit an AN/I report. Thank you for the effort. [[Special:Contributions/PeterTheFourth|PeterTheFourth]] ([[User Talk:PeterTheFourth|talk]]) 23:36, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
:::I've gone ahead and started a thread [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Archival_of_Deleted_Material here] on AN/I. Not sure if it's formatted entirely correctly, but I think it's acceptable? [[Special:Contributions/PeterTheFourth|PeterTheFourth]] ([[User Talk:PeterTheFourth|talk]]) 02:45, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

==Undid my edits==
I noticed you undid some of my edits without so much as an edit summary. Could you please provide more information regarding your reason for doing so? Thanks. [[User:Pikachu|Pikachu]] ([[User talk:Pikachu|talk]]) 14:31, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
:What article? [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 17:37, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
::Nevermind, I see it was [[Men's skirts]]. The first edit I undid because you removed the word "men's" from a sentence which said that someone wore "men's skirts". Without the "men's", the impression could be given that the person wore '''''women's''''' skirts (i.e was a crossdresser) which is not what the sentence means to convey. In the second edit, you removed added "less common" from a sentence which said that the usual circumstance inm contemporary western society was for women to wear skirts and not men. Making it say that it was "less common" for men to wear skirts is a violation of [[WP:NPOV]], since the number of men who wear skirts regularly is exceedingly small. It may be that you (and I) would wish it was otherwise, but at this time it's not. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 17:44, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
:::I removed "men's" from "men's skirts", as I didn't feel it was relevant. Any garment that skirts the body is a skirt, no qualifier needed. And with no qualifier on there, it does not imply "women's", it, in fact, implies nothing. But I could see how someone might infer that. As for the second one, it's definitely not a violation of NPOV, because it was technically correct. It ''is'', in fact, less common. Even way, way less common is technically still "less common." I made it "less common" because, while exceedingly small, it is greater than zero. What would you say to changing the lead to say "the wearing of a skirt is today usually seen as typical for females and atypical for males..."? [[User:Pikachu|Pikachu]] ([[User talk:Pikachu|talk]]) 20:24, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
::::"Less common" does not mean or imply "greater than zero". Your edits were not helpful to the article, and muddied rather than clarified matters. If you have more to say, please say it at [[Talk:Men's skirts]], not here. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 21:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

== Your comments ==

Hi BMK. Please consider rewording your comments at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#General community comments]] to make them more civil and in compliance with [[WP:NPA]]. This is not a formal clerk warning, but please be aware that the Committee has directed the clerks to watch for decorum and other issues on the clerks-l mailing list, and if the comments are not satisfactorily reworded they may be redacted by me or another clerk. Thanks for your time and understanding, --'''[[User:L235|L235]]''' ([[User talk:L235|t]] / [[Special:Contribs/L235|c]] / [[User:L235/siginfo|<small>ping in reply</small>]]) 05:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
:My comment to NE Ent was accurate and, considering his editing history and his lack of contributions to the encyclopedia, extremely mild. Hammersoft's responses to my comment were absurd - '''''describing''''' the actions of a '''''banned''''' (not blocked) user and extremely disruptive sockpuppeteer can in no way be construed as a "personal attack". I can see no reason to reword anything, but f you or any of the clerks feel the need to redact anything, so be it, there will be no pushback from me, although I feel it would be unwarranted. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 12:53, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
::Alright. The entire thread was hatted by another clerk, didn't see which. --'''[[User:L235|L235]]''' ([[User talk:L235|t]] / [[Special:Contribs/L235|c]] / [[User:L235/siginfo|<small>ping in reply</small>]]) 19:19, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
:::I saw, thanks. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 19:22, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

== March 2015 ==
[[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, I'm [[User:Clubjustin4|Clubjustin4]]. I noticed that you recently removed some content from [[:Statue of Liberty in popular culture]]&nbsp;without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the [[WP:Sandbox|sandbox]]. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on [[User_talk:Clubjustin4|my talk page]]. Thanks.<!-- Template:uw-delete1 --> [[User:Clubjustin4|Clubjustin3]] ([[User talk:Clubjustin4|talk]]) 05:23, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
:And I've deleted it again. I was quite clear in my edit summary - the Mel Brooks movie is not a "classic", by any definition. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 05:28, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

== Glitch on ANI ==

Evaluating these edits[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=654136805&oldid=654125170][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=654136981&oldid=654136805][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=654137070&oldid=654136981] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=654137192&oldid=654137070][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=654137773&oldid=654137192], reminds me of a glitch randomly joins ANI. [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small>

I noticed this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=652743875 comment is missing]. Not sure what happened. Since it was unarchived I think the archived thread should be deleted from the archive. See [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive879#Personal_attacks_alleged]]. [[User:QuackGuru|<font color="vermillion">'''QuackGuru'''</font>]] ([[User talk:QuackGuru|<font color="burntorange">talk</font>]]) 16:46, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
:Yes Q.G. it should be. [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 16:53, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

== [[Seaman-Drake Arch]] ==

Nice work on an interesting page about an intriguing subject. I've nominated it for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seaman-Drake Arch|Did you know]] if you are interested. [[User:Epicgenius|Epic Genius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 02:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 02:55, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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::{{done}} [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 09:19, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

== April 2015 ==
[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not remove [[Wikipedia:Template messages/Maintenance|maintenance templates]] from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to [[:Arcology]], without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-tdel2 --> [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 15:00, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
:No consensus for template on talk page. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 20:40, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

== [[WP:SEEALSO]] ==

Oh, yes, of course. I'm sure "the 'See also' section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body" only refers to links that ''aren't'' related to the subject. I'm not going to fight you on this, but I'm baffled that you'd ignore this clear guideline. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:36, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, of course I know the '''''<u>guideline</u>'''''. Not policy. '''''Not''''' mandatory. We should always do what's best for the readers. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 20:38, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

== Enigdifang as sockpuppet ==

Not what I was hoping for. Seemed like a good-faith editor who just needed a little schooling. I looked into it, and have to sort of agree things do look quacky. Let's wait to see what DoRD has to say. Also just a FYI I don't think your ping worked properly, if that's what you intended to do. Best <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 20:40, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
:No, I just addressed you with a plain old "@", not a ping, thanks. I have my own notifications turned off (too annoying), so I usually forget that pinging exists. :) I thought about dropping a TB on your talk page, but figured that you would be watching his page for a response from him. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 20:43, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

== Mediation ==

I think that your question about whether diffs that were offered in mediation (but did not originate in it) are privileged would be best addressed to [[User: TransporterMan]], the chair of the Mediation Committee, but I think that if the diffs did not originate in mediation, they are still yours. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 03:20, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 03:24, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

== RfA question ==

Hi BMK. Just to let you know, your question on Everymorning's RfA has already been asked above. [[User:Samwalton9|'''S'''am '''W'''alton]] ([[User talk:Samwalton9|talk]]) 00:36, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
:Geez, you're right, I didn't see that -- I've removed my duplicate. Thanks! [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:49, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

== Some advice ==

I have suffered interminable harassment from that editor, and no matter what you do or say, you will not change him. Save yourself the aggravation and don't engage him. It is useless. - [[User:Cwobeel|<span style="color:#339966">Cwobeel</span>]] [[User_talk:Cwobeel|<span style="font-size:80%">(talk)</span>]] 17:49, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks, good advice. I was, in fact, already in the process of disengaging. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 17:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

==[[WP:3RR]]==
You appear to be engaged in an edit war at [[I'm not a scientist]]. You're at three reverts now in less than an hour. I suggest you step away from this right now to avoid being blocked, and if possible, work on a solution on neutral territory. Also, using terms like "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I%27m_not_a_scientist&diff=prev&oldid=655092873 that's bullshit]", "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=prev&oldid=655093614 Bullshit from a POV editor]", and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=prev&oldid=655094045 I don't accsept warning from assholes]" (sic) is unacceptable and directly and incontrovertibly fails [[WP:CIVIL]]. If you continue to use edit summaries to directly insult other editors, I will block you immediately. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:27, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
:If you block me, now or at any time in the future, I will immediately ask for a review on AN/I and bring forward the numerous disputes we have had in the past. You are not uninvolved when it comes to me, and cannot be neutral. In fact, you are not being neutral even at this moment, as you have not left a similar warning for edit warring regarding [[User:Padenton]], the other editor involved, who is attemtoing to remove two extremely relevant sentences from the 2015 State of the Union Address from the article.{{parabr}}I will take your advice for what it's worth, but please note that unless you are required to do so by Wikipedia policy, you are banned from posting on this talk page, beginning immediately. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 21:36, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

== Red links ==

Per [[WP:REDLINK]], "Do not remove red links unless you are certain that Wikipedia ''should not'' have an article on that subject." Also, an editor who adds a red link is not obliged to create the article, merely to believe that the subject is notable. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 21:07, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, and when an edit is disputed, you need to be clear about why you consider the person to be notable enough to potentially have an article. "Two Oscar nominations and a pioneering role" is not sufficient. "The first female film editor in Hollywood" would have been. Please try to communicate more effectively in the future. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 22:02, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
::Read the quote again. "Do not remove red links unless '''you''' are certain ..." The onus was on you to show she isn't notable. My comment was more than enough to indicate otherwise. Are you that unwilling to admit you were in the wrong? [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 21:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm always willing to admit when I'm in the wrong, when I am actually in the wrong. Here, I was not. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 21:56, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
::::Incidentally, you're quoting me a guideline, which is not policy, and not mandatory. I will continue to remove redlinks when they seem to be to be gratuitous. When I am sunsequently presented evidence that my judgment was incorrect, I will revert my removal (which, in fact, I did in this case, no particular thanks to you). You want the redlink, you make the case, just as with any other edit per [[WP:BURDEN]], a '''''policy'''''. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 21:59, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

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== ANI ==
Hello there! When doing a NAC at ANI could you use the {{t|NAC}} template? Thanks! [[User:TheMagikCow|TheMagikCow]] ([[User talk:TheMagikCow|talk]]) 10:48, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
:Why? I label the closures "NAC", what difference would the tmeplate make? [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 19:05, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
::It just keeps things neater and looks better and has a link to the policy. That's all. [[User:TheMagikCow|TheMagikCow]] ([[User talk:TheMagikCow|talk]]) 19:12, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

== [[Bleecker Street]] ==

The images are currently underneath the heading of “Transportation”, and appear to be related to that section of the article when viewing the article on the mobile web. What is the rationale for keeping them under Transportation instead of Notable places? Thanks! [[User:WikkanWitch|WikkanWitch]] ([[User talk:WikkanWitch|talk]]) 20:54, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
:The images start '''''after''''' the transportation section, and are therefore immediately '''''next to''''' the section they're connected to, which is more than sufficient. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 20:56, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
::Image placement is different for viewers of the mobile version of Wikipedia, and appear under Transportation because the Notable places header is after them. What if we were to move the Notable places heading immediately before them? [[User:WikkanWitch|WikkanWitch]] ([[User talk:WikkanWitch|talk]]) 02:04, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
:::The point of having the images start before the section header is to avoid the white space and make the images look more balancesd in relation to the section. If the mobile version isn't redering correctly, I don't think that's our problem as editors, it shopuld be brought to the attention of the developers. Besides, I just look at the article on my i-phone, and the images are just where they should be, after the transportation section. If your phone shows it differently, then, again, it's not an editorial problem, it a problem for how the browser you're using renders the page. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 02:22, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
::::I hadn't considered that. Both the app and mobile website use the top-level headings as separators, and the images don't float beyond the separator (mobile: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleecker_Street), as they do on the regular web version of the article. The images appear at the end of the Transportation section, but not actually inside the Notable Places section because of how the mobile website and app use the headings as separators. You mentioned that it should be brought to the attention of developers. What's the proper channel for such a request? [[User:WikkanWitch|WikkanWitch]] ([[User talk:WikkanWitch|talk]]) 16:11, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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:O hi there. Sorry for the Twinkle-template, I forgot you created the redirect. -- [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 23:08, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
::No problem, deletion is good by me. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 23:34, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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:Thanks, I've commented there. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 04:51, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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==Architects==
Since you've declined to remove the highly promotional content from the article, I've had no option but to delete it. Please don't recreate it without addressing the issue. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:34, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
:Talk page stalkers interested in what this is about can go [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#Goldstein.2C_Hill_.26_West_Architects here]. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 08:18, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

== Block evasion ==
Looks like you caught most of [[User:Panewithholder]]'s socks but I wonder if you had seen [[User:BMK you can block the account but not the poem]] account? It's already been indefinitely blocked but it looks like you hit a nerve. <font face="Papyrus" size="4" color="#800080">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</font></sup> 13:51, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw that. Ah, fame! [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 14:48, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
::Incidentally, not the first occasion where I've been enshrined in this way. There was [[User:BeyondMyKenDoll]] about a year ago, and, more recently, [[User:Beyondmyken61]]. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 15:45, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

==Promotional content==
Just to set the record straight, it was you who reverted my edits, ''twice'', thus starting an edit war, rather than simply undoing the removal of the content with an explanation or, better, creating amended content. I still consider the whole CV section to be highly promotional in terms of tone and content, and probably unsalvageable. You also suggest, on [[User:Diannaa]]'s talk page, that I deleted the article hastily and without explanation. Anyone who looks at your talk page above will see that I gave an explanation above and told you what you should do about it. You declined to respond to that.

I'm simply astonished how you can fail to see that a statement like "L. Stephen Hill has over 25 years of experience" (without saying what it is experience of, and with a reference to an article that does not say he has 25 years of experience) is promotional. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:10, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
:And I'm astonished at your behavior as an admin, which was inexcusable.

:Your judgment, in my opinion is flawed, as is your understanding of the role of the admin in the community. You are not a "super-editor" and cannot use your admin powers to enforce your editorial opinions. Once you started editing the article, you were [[WP:involved]], and subsequently deleting it was therefore an abuse of your power. As an editor you should have, like every other editor, followed [[WP:BRD]]: once your Bold edit had been Reverted by me, you should have opened a Discussion and left the article in the ''status quo ante'' while the discussion went on. Instead, you reverted back, the first step to edit warring - I merely returned the article to where it was supposed to be. You then deleted the article '''''two minutes later''''' -- while I was trying to start a discussion on the talk page -- with a bogus claim that because I was "intractable" you had "no option" but to delete the article. That, frankly, is complete and utter bullshit. You had many other choices of action, the same ones available to any other editor, the best of which was to engage in discussion on the article talk page. Instead you chose the '''''worst''''' possible option, which was to flex your muscles and abuse your admin authority by deleting an article about which you were in the middle of an editorial dispute. That's just flat out wrong, and nothing you can come up with will excuse it.

:You've been an admin for a long time, since 2003, I believe. I looked at your RfA, and only a handful of people participated. You were made an admin at a time when '''''6 support votes''''' was sufficient to get the bit. I have no doubt that you've been a worthwhile and valuable asset to the project since then, but times have changed, and admins can no longer shoot from the hip as they once did, and as you did inthis instance. Your attitude (including your insolent comments to Diannaa) is poor, and your judgment no longer aligns with current community consensus about how admins should behave. I suggest that perhaps you need a refresher course on how admins should act now that the days of the Wikipedia Wild Wild West are behind us.

:Now that we've both had our say, I consider this incident to be over, and have no interest in continuing to hash it out or in pursuing it elsewhere, so please don't bother to respond. Instead I suggest that some serious contemplation on your part would be a good thing, both for you and for the project. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 17:38, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
::Incidentally, if you still find some language of that section of [[Goldstein, Hill & West Architects#Partners|the article in question]] is overly promotional for your taste, than I suggest you do what any other editor would do and make some effort to remove that language. You could either do so [[WP:BOLD]]ly, although I suggest that your track record with the article probably speaks against doing that, or you could just '''''discuss your objections on the article talk page,''''' and see if a [[WP:consensus]] of editors agrees with you. It may not be as viscerally satisfying as pushing the "delete" button, but it is how things are generally done around here. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 18:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, right, so it's okay for you to approach an admin who you felt would be sympathetic to your view, ask for comments on the Talk page of the article, and then complain when I approach someone else for input? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 10:34, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::And incidentally, I had never even heard of the other contributors who subsequently made changes.[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 10:43, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::Instead of discussing your concerns on the article talk page, you [[WP:CANVASS]]ed an admin friend of yours to do your dirty work for you. That stinks. Your actions and your attitude bring shame to the admin corps. Please do not post to my talk page again unless you are required to do so by Wikipedia policy. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 19:11, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::And now you're following me around. You really are beneath contempt. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 19:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

== [[WP:Pinging]] you ==

Because of what you stated [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=656524150&oldid=656520705#Flyer22 here], near the end there about WP:Pinging, now I know not to WP:Ping you. For example, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Exhibitionism&diff=650157678&oldid=650156288#Definition I WP:Pinged you] at the [[Exhibitionism]] talk page in March of this year. <Strike>Have you considered making a note on your user page and/or talk page that WP:Pinging you will not work?</Strike> [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 23:29, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Oops, I see you have noted at the top of your talk page that your WP:Notifications are turned off. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 23:32, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

:Yeah, I added it to the top of my talk page in my last revamp of it a couple of months ago. I may reconsider and see if I can tweak my notification settings. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 23:33, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
::OK, I've turned "Mention" on, which I think is the right switch to make pinging work. I'll see how annoying it is. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 23:37, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

:::Okay. Do you want me to test it out by pinging you at my talk page? [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 23:40, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
::::Sounds like a good idea, go ahead. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 23:41, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

:::::Did [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Flyer22&curid=11122823&diff=656527882&oldid=656521728 the test] work? [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 23:59, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes it did, thanks. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 01:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

== Queensboro Bridge infobox photo ==

Hi BMK. In regards to the infobox photo on the [[Queensboro Bridge]] article, [[:File:Ed koch edited.jpg]] is cropped from [[:File:Queensboro_Bridge_from_Manhattan_side.jpg]], and the cropped image has the balcony cropped out from the original image. Let me know what you think. [[User:Epicgenius|Epic Genius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 02:49, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw that, and 9 times out of 10 I would be right with you, preferring the cropped version to the uncropped one, but in this case I think the foreground gives the image a bit of visual context and, since it's a vertical picture, we don't see any less of the bridge then we do in the cropped version. It's definitely an aesthetic choice, but I prefer the fuller images to the cropped image in this instance. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 03:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks for your opinion. On a side note, the original photo was taken in 2010, not 2012, as seen in the photo's metadata, so I have also corrected that. [[User:Epicgenius|Epic Genius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 12:27, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

== [[Brandreth Pill Factory]] demolition ==

Would you be able to perhaps go to Ossining and get a picture of the pile of rubble that's left anytime soon? I could go down myself but you're closer. Just asking. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 00:46, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
:I will put it on my list, but I very rarely get that far north in Westchester. Did you ask [[User: Jim.henderson|Jim Henderson]] as well? I think sometimes his biking groups go up that way. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:53, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
::Never to Ossining. Forty years ago, yes but nowadays it's an unlikely train trip. [[User:Jim.henderson|Jim.henderson]] ([[User talk:Jim.henderson|talk]]) 00:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
:::We'll see what happens. Sometimes when we visit my mother in Westchester, she likes to take us to a diner in Ossining, so who knows...?
::::I more or less go by Ossining, and/or could. Is it easily found on Water Street? Possibly even tomorrow/Thursday[[User:WindingRoad|WindingRoad]] ([[User talk:WindingRoad|talk]]) 03:24, 16 April 2015 (UTC)WindingRoad
:::::I see it on google earth (before demolition) I should be able to get photo tomorrow. Will let you know.[[User:WindingRoad|WindingRoad]] ([[User talk:WindingRoad|talk]]) 03:34, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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==FYI==
Hello BMK. Thanks for the revert [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Betty_Boop&curid=203202&diff=656740698&oldid=656723303 here]. I don't know if you encountered this problem editor (who is obsessed with adding years to articles) before but they have been around for a few months now. As you can see here [[User talk:Materialscientist#.22.282015.29.22 vandal]] M is aware of the problem and helps by blocking the next IP that this doofus is using. If you wish please feel free to report them the next time you see one of their edits. Cheers. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 17:25, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
:No, this one is a new one on me. I'll keep a look out, thanks. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 17:58, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

==Academy of Music/Palladium==
Thanks for inquiring about the Palladium name change. To answer your question: yes, the former Academy of Music staged countless concerts as "The Palladium" in the 1970s. When it became a nightclub, the building was transformed but the name was maintained.

Here is an example of an indirect citation at Setlist.fm, which lists many concerts at the Palladium in the 1970s:

http://www.setlist.fm/venue/the-palladium-new-york-ny-usa-13d6c9cd.html

In fact, this helps to set the exact date of the name change to 1976, and I'd like to edit the Wikipedia page to add this detail. But will this serve as a citation? Please help me understand what the correct way to cite this is. Thank you. -- asheresque (Levi Asher)

:*Levi: Unfortunately, "setlist.fm" is a Wiki, and we don't accept self-published sources to be used. (Even Wikipedia is not allowed to be used as a source on Wikipedia!) You can read that policy [[WP:SPS|here]].

::Now that I know what you're going for, I'll do some looking around and see if I can find something more authoritative, like a mention in the ''Times'', ''Daily News'', ''Post'' or ''Voice''. You should look for something as well. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 18:50, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

::*Thanks, BMK. I found an image of a Village Voice review of an Elvis Costello concert at the Palladium here. http://www.elviscostello.info/wiki/index.php/Village_Voice,_May_15,_1978. I was at this concert so I can definitely vouch for the article being accurate! The Palladium was a major concert venue during the late 70s so there must be many concert reviews and listings to be found. [[User:Asheresque|Asheresque]] ([[User talk:Asheresque|talk]]) 19:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

:::*Hold the phone! [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9A06EEDB133CE334BC4851DFBF66838D669EDE This article from the Times] definitely shows that by 1976 Ron Delsner was calling it The Palladium, and implies in the headline that it was the Palladium earlier as well. The body of the article may give an exact date for the changeover, so hold on a bit... [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 18:58, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

::::*Great! Thanks again for your assistance with this change. [[User:Asheresque|Asheresque]] ([[User talk:Asheresque|talk]]) 19:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

:::::*I've put the ''Times'' reference into the article, with the date (September 1976), and added it to the [[Palladium (New York City)]] article as well. Thanks for bringing the name change to my attention, I obviously had forgotten it, or combined it in my mind with the change to the nightclub. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 19:17, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

== proposed iban, please comment ==

given your involvement, peas see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Suggested_Limited_Interaction_Ban_between_Users_Alansohn_and_Magnolia677 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Suggested_Limited_Interaction_Ban_between_Users_Alansohn_and_Magnolia677]. Thanks. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 22:07, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks for the pointer, will certainly get there quite soon. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 22:51, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

== We notice... ==
... that you are getting urself involved in a edit war at the administrators notice board. This can be clearly be seen by the undoing and redoing of edits. Administrators notice board is no place for edit wars. Thank you for being a Wikipedia. [[User:Doorknob747|Doorknob747]] ([[User talk:Doorknob747|talk]]) 03:15, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
:Fellow, you knowest not of what you speak. [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 03:18, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

== RfD ==
[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]] exists for discussing the possible deletion of redirects not covered by a speedy deletion criterion (or multiple criteria). Do not re-add declined speedy deletion tags to pages. "ought" ain't pronounced the same as out, but drought rhymes with out (par exemple). [[User:WilyD|Wily]]<font color="FF8800">[[User talk:WilyD|D]]</font> 11:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
:It's a bullshit redirect made by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Doorknob747 possibly incompetent editor].{{parabr}}Oh, well, it's on your head now, Mr. Admin WilyD. Maybe we should just assign you to that editor as his keeper, and the rest of us can forget about him. In fact, I already have! [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 11:18, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
::I would just send it to RfD. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 13:09, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

== About undoing R46 edit ==

The armrest is a notable picture on the article, since, the R46 and the R44 are the only trains in the New York City subway system that has armrest. ( Notable images= images of things that are not found everywhere. ) I am not saying what you did was wrong, it was ok to remove Emergency Brake photo, but not the Armrest photo. Read about the subject further to understand why it is placed over there.

Another thing, all videos that I upload have a meaning, there is no video showing how the New York City Subway systems signaling works. ( Check for duplicates first [ there may be images of how it work but no video and videos give better description of how things work. ] ). [[User:Doorknob747|Doorknob747]] ([[User talk:Doorknob747|talk]]) 20:30, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
:Also armrest photo does have a correct caption. [[User:Doorknob747|Doorknob747]] ([[User talk:Doorknob747|talk]]) 20:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

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