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Parenthetical remark: Here I see the utility of the parenthetical AKA in other languages. I'm not opposed to the whole idea when it's used correctly, as I believe it is here. I would value any other input you have, Node, as you clearly have pretty good knowledge of Native culture and language. --ABQCat 01:27, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Is the Keresan of the Acoma the same as Western Keresan?
Was there contact between the Zuni and the Acoma? Trading for example? Otherwise it seems silly to include as an AKA.

--ABQCat 02:07, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

In a way it is ("Western Keresan" is more inclusive): Western Keresan refers to the Keresan spoken at Acoma (Ako), Laguna (Kawaika), as well as a few unrecognised pueblos, and Eastern Keresan refers to the Keresan of Cochiti (Kotyit), San Felipe (Katstya), Santa Ana (Tamaiya), Santo Domingo (called Kyiwa by locals, called Tyiwa by other Eastern Keresan speakers), and Zia (Tsi'ya). I'm not sure if the people are actually different, but I know their languages are significantly different.
Yes, there are trade contacts as noted by brian0918. --Node 04:23, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

1: Western Keresan was spoken at Acoma and Laguna , and Eastern Keresan, at San Felipe , Santa Ana , Sia, Cochiti, and Santo Domingo.

2: It appears that they did trade, across the appropriately-named Zuni-Acoma Trail. --[[User:Brian0918|brian0918 _talk]] 02:33, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'd like to include a bit more on history rather than just general culture here. History under the spanish, etc, trade with other pueblos, possible origins. What are the likely anthropological origins of the Acoma etc. As far as culture, the pueblo's religion and cultural myths along with some information on famous ceremonies (not private ceremonies, clearly) would be interesting. That's where I'm going with this, and if anyone else has information on those lines, it would be great if you could add it. --ABQCat 21:11, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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+Parenthetical remark: Here I see the utility of the parenthetical AKA in other languages.  I'm not opposed to the whole idea when it's used correctly, as I believe it is here.  I would value any other input you have, Node, as you clearly have pretty good knowledge of Native culture and language.  --[[User:Abqwildcat|ABQCat]] 01:27, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
-'''Tartan Day''' on [[April 6]] in [[North America]] commemorates the signing of the Declaration of Arbroath in [[1320]] and celebrates the existing and historical links between [[Scotland]] and North America. In the [[United States]] there are over 20 million people who claim Scots descent, and most take pride in the transatlantic connection.
+:#Is the Keresan of the Acoma the same as Western Keresan?
+:#Was there contact between the Zuni and the Acoma?  Trading for example?  Otherwise it seems silly to include as an AKA.
+:--[[User:Abqwildcat|ABQCat]] 02:07, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+:#In a way it is ("Western Keresan" is more inclusive): Western Keresan refers to the Keresan spoken at Acoma (Ako), Laguna (Kawaika), as well as a few unrecognised pueblos, and Eastern Keresan refers to the Keresan of Cochiti (Kotyit), San Felipe (Katstya), Santa Ana (Tamaiya), Santo Domingo (called Kyiwa by locals, called Tyiwa by other Eastern Keresan speakers), and Zia (Tsi'ya). I'm not sure if the people are actually different, but I know their languages are significantly different.
-==About Tartan Day==
+:#Yes, there are trade contacts as noted by brian0918. --[[User:Node ue|Node]] 04:23, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+::1: [http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/section/PuebloInd_Language.asp Western Keresan] was spoken at Acoma and Laguna , and Eastern Keresan, at San Felipe , Santa Ana , Sia, Cochiti, and Santo Domingo.
-Since 1998, the date of April 6 has been officially recognised by the [[United States Senate]] as a celebration of the contribution made by generations of Scots-Americans to the foundation and prosperity of modern America. President [[Woodrow Wilson]], the son of a Scots [[Presbyterian]] minister, said: "Every line in America's history is a line coloured by Scottish blood."
+::2: It [http://gorp.away.com/gorp/resource/us_nm/nm/hik_elma.htm#zuni appears] that they did trade, across the appropriately-named Zuni-Acoma Trail.  --[[User:Brian0918|[[User:Brian0918|brian0918]] <sub>[[User_talk:Brian0918|talk]]</sub>]] 02:33, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+I'd like to include a bit more on history rather than just general culture here.  History under the spanish, etc, trade with other pueblos, possible origins.  What are the likely anthropological origins of the Acoma etc.  As far as culture, the pueblo's religion and cultural myths along with some information on famous ceremonies (not private ceremonies, clearly) would be interesting.  That's where I'm going with this, and if anyone else has information on those lines, it would be great if you could add it. --[[User:Abqwildcat|ABQCat]] 21:11, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
-The date of April 6 is significant in that it commemorates the signing of the Declaration of Arbroath in 1320, the first known formal declaration of independence of its kind. Not only was the American Declaration of Independence modelled on that inspirational document but also almost half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were of Scottish descent and the Governors in 9 of the original 13 States were of Scottish ancestry.
-Tartan Day is now firmly part of the US calendar and a welcome signal that the Scots-American relationship can only strengthen in the 21st century. The Tunes of Glory Parade in 2002 saw 10,000 [[Bagpipe|pipers]] and drummers march through the streets of [[New York]] and were the spectacular centrepiece of the event where thousands of Americans celebrated their links to Scotland.
-==The Tartan Day resolution==
-''Senate Resolution 155, March 20th 1998''
-''Whereas April 6 has a special significance for all Americans, and especially those Americans of Scottish descent, because the Declaration of Arbroath, the Scottish Declaration of Independence, was signed on April 6, 1320 and the American Declaration of Independence was modelled on that inspirational document;''
-''Whereas this resolution honors the major role that Scottish Americans played in the founding of this Nation, such as the fact that almost half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were of Scottish descent, the Governors in 9 of the original 13 States were of Scottish ancestry, Scottish Americans successfully helped shape this country in its formative years and guide this Nation through its most troubled times;''
-''Whereas this resolution recognizes the monumental achievements and invaluable contributions made by Scottish Americans that have led to America's preeminence in the fields of science, technology, medicine, government, politics, economics, architecture, literature, media, and visual and performing arts;''
-''Whereas this resolution commends the more than 200 organizations throughout the United States that honor Scottish heritage, tradition, and culture, representing the hundreds of thousands of Americans of Scottish descent, residing in every State, who already have made the observance of Tartan Day on April 6 a success;''
-''Whereas these numerous individuals, clans, societies, clubs, and fraternal organizations do not let the great contributions of the Scottish people go unnoticed:''
-''Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the Senate designates April 6 of each year as "National Tartan Day."''
-==External links==
-* http://www.tartanday.com/
-* http://www.tartanday.org/
-* [http://www.tartanday.gov.uk/ Scottish Executive Tartan Day Site]
-* [http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/tartanday/ Scottish Parliament Tartan Day Site]
-* [http://www.scotlandstartanday.com/ Tartan Day in Arbroath, Scotland ]
-* [http://www.tartandaymn.org/ Tartan Day in Minnesota, USA]
-* [http://www.tartanweek.com/ Tartan Day in New York, USA]
-* [http://tartandaypa.cmna.org/ Tartan Day in Pittsburgh, USA]
-* [http://tidewaterscots.org/SST/index.html Tartan Day in Tidewater, USA]
-* [http://www.scottishstudies.ca/tartan_day.htm Tartan Day in Toronto, Canada]
-* [http://www.tartanday.org/washingtondc.htm Tartan Day in Washington DC, USA]
-== See also ==
-* [[History of Scotland]]
-* [[Tartan]]