Talk:Mary, mother of Jesus: Difference between revisions

Saint Anne

I'm not going to insert this, because it isn't a subject I know well. But, it seems to me that a genology of Mary should include mention of her mother. DOR (HK) (talk) 12:27, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Article title

I would suggest that the title Mary, Mother of Jesus is better Mary, mother of Jesus. Comments welcome!Amitchell125 16:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Eh, I still feel that Virgin Mary is better. It's her Common Name, after all. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

If you are saying that the article Mary, mother of Jesus should be changed to Mary, Mother of Jesus, I remind you that mother is not a proper noun and Wikipedia normally avoids capitalization of words associated with religious figures that would not otherwise normally be capitalized. Editor2020 (talk) 02:05, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure these have been proposed in the past (here for example, in 2016), & won't achieve consensus. Johnbod (talk) 11:48, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Virgin Mary fits Better than Mary, mother of Jesus (this name is too long), the Name Virgin Mary in a More Simple Name than Mary, mother of Jesus. Virgin Mary is also her name in the Commons — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatechismDatabase (talk • contribs) 12:45, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

You should read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Requesting_a_single_page_move Rafaelosornio (talk) 03:30, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Name of Mary in Islam

The article currently says:

In Islam, she is known as Maryam (Arabic: مريم‎, translit. Maryām), mother of Isa (Arabic: عيسى بن مريم‎, translit. ʿĪsā ibn Maryām, lit. 'Jesus, son of Mary').

Shouldn't that be مريم أم عيسى Maryām umm ʿĪsā, lit. 'Mary, mother of Jesus'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.225.93.12 (talk) 11:29, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Either way, the ā in the transliteration should just be a regular a, 'Maryam' - ā would indicate an alif in the Arabic that isn't there. 5.225.93.12 (talk) 11:31, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 6 June 2019

Mary, mother of Jesus → Virgin Mary – Virgin Mary fits Better than Mary, mother of Jesus (this name is too long), the Name Virgin Mary is a More Simple Name than Mary, mother of Jesus and also Virgin Mary is also her name in the Commons, So it does not make sense for the article's name to be Mary, mother of Jesus, The vast majority of People search more on Google Virgin Mary than Mary, Mother of Jesus CatechismDatabase (talk) 20:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

• oppose per WP:RNPOV and WP:NATURALDIS CharlesViBritannia (talk) 03:28, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

if this contradict Wikipedia's neutral viewing point, so why is there an article called Saint Peter? (talk) 12:14 AM, 7 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatechismDatabase (talk • contribs) 04:17, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. Keeping in mind WP:RNPOV, the term "Virgin Mary' is more charged with sectarian symbolism than the simple and descriptive "Mary, mother of Jesus". More people worldwide would know of her as being Jesus's mother than ascribing to the religious belief that she was a virgin without sin (The Immaculate Conception) who gave birth to the Son of God/Jesus of Nazareth. Besides, if people do a search within Wikipedia for "Virgin Mary" they will still end up here since that term is a redirect to this article. Shearonink (talk) 04:29, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – I'm reserving judgement for the time being, but it is worth considering Andrewa's comment from the 2010 RM before the discussion goes too much further:

We'd better get a few facts straight.

Firstly, the title the Virgin Mary isn't a Roman Catholic thing at all. Roman Catholics do tend to place more emphasis on St Mary (and on many other saints as well) than do Protestants, but that's not the issue.

The question here is rather, when we do talk about her, what's she called? The Apostles Creed is used widely and equally by RC and Protestant, and guess what... all versions (yes there are several) refer to the Virgin Mary.

In that this is probably the only time many protestants refer to Mary at all except at Christmas, the logical conclusion is that the phrase the Virgin Mary is more a Protestant thing than an RC thing. They use many names for Mary; We have only have one!

Yes, read that again slowly. It's not shoot-from-the-hip prejudice, it's considering the facts. They may come as a surprise.

Consider now the Nicene Creed, also used by all the larger denominations that use creeds, but not so commonly as the AC. Many versions, the oldest don't mention Mary at all, but the widely used ones all do, and guess what they all call her?

Consider now the other time we Protestants all tslk about Mary: Christmas. Let's consider a few carols... The Virgin Mary Had A Baby Boy... Silent Night... Need I go on?

Please, can we argue from the facts?
— User:Andrewa 06:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

142.160.89.97 (talk) 05:33, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I didn't see anyone in this particular discussion stating that "Virgin Mary" was chiefly a Roman Catholic term. If any editors want to refer to the whole of the Requested Move-2010 discussion it can be found in this page's archives at Talk:Mary, mother of Jesus/Archive 3#Requested move 2010. Shearonink (talk) 06:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I haven't seen anyone in this discussion suggest that the term Virgin Mary was principally Roman Catholic either. I figured it is, however, an issue that's likely to be raised (which is what I meant by "before the discussion goes too much further").

I should also note that I've added {{old moves}} to the top of the talk page in case anyone wants to refer to the six previous RMs pertaining to this article from over the course of the past decade or so which discussed a variety of potential titles. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 06:27, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been mentioned at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity/Noticeboard (reason: most relevant WikiProject, posting at which [unlike the denominational WikiProjects] won't introduce any intra-Christian sectarian bias). 142.160.89.97 (talk) 05:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)