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WP:COI, "An article about a little-known band should preferably not be written by a band member or the manager." The article about Mark Hanau is written and edited by someone saying he's Mark Hanau (see comments in user contributions) and using Mark Hanau's website, aimultimedia.com. Editor has also edited or created numerous pages w/subjects he has a close personal connection to like airconditioning, saturnalia, curved air, liquid light shows, John Vickers, and Academy of Live and Recorded Arts. WP:NOTE Article does not establish notability of subject as per guidelines "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". WP:VER, claims not verifiable, some claims conflict with published accounts. Editor/subject uses [artistopia.com] as a source in this article and in other edited articles, but artistopia.com has Wikipedia as source. Before I deleted it, (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NME_Awards&oldid=209579910), subject placed an image of an invitation to an awards event and represented it as an actual award. WP:SOAPBOX, Aimulti/Hanau is engaging in self-aggrandizement I think by exaggeration, has claimed to have co-founded Paul McCartney's McCartney Productions, established a school (ARLA), won awards, and met "Berthold (sic) Brecht" with no support. WP:NOTMYSPACE, editor using Wikipedia to showcase himself. WP:PSTS, editor using primary sources without secondary source backup, such as a college prospectus to establish he "founded" the college 'tho secondary sources give different story. WP:OR, editor/subject scans primary documents and submits them via his company website, aimultimedia.com. WP:Living Many, like example Aimulti claims an actor is his daughter without source. RetroS1mone (talk) 04:28, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will not vote on this deletion since I have been involved in editing the article, but I should note that since Retrosimone made her AfD post, Aimulti responded by disclosing the personal information of a third party whom he claims is his daughter, as well as additional unverified information on other third parties, here and on his Talk page ostensibly for verification purposes. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did so with my daughters full permission. She is as angry about this slur as I am.Aimulti (talk) 15:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, please keep in mind that disclosure of personal information for any reason is in violation of Wikipedia's living persons policies. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 00:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You refer to RetroS1mone as 'she'. May I ask how you knew this editor was female?Aimulti (talk) 15:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Admittedly, I don't, but the name "Simone" is female AFAIK. One could also ask why you assumed the editor was male, but the gender of your critic is irrelevant. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 00:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lets stop pretending. I know who you are. Keeponkeepingon is your usual handle and you have hounded me for years on Yahoo Answers etc, etc. I took me I while to figure it out (must be getting old). Feel free to deny it (as I am sure you will) but we both know what this is about. Quite frankly I don't really care one way or another now that I know the nature of this action. Enjoy yourself. Aimulti (talk) 05:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can only comment on the section of the article regarding band management and picture discs, which I find informative, well-referenced, and certainly notable enough to qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia. I have no knowledge of Mark Hanau's life or career outside his involvement with Curved Air and Saturnalia but feel that to delete the entire article is extreme overkill and that a less-heated debate would enable the rest of the article to be brought up to the required standard. RGCorris (talk) 19:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RGCorris, I agree with you that Mark Hanau's contribution to picture discs may be sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia with appropriate documentation. I will leave it to others to decide whether Hanau should have a biography article or should, rather, have his information merged into the other relevant articles. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 00:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Motives for attack on this article

This attack is retribution for a heated debate in the 'AIDS Denialist' section and is simply an attack thus motivated. Look at the (short) history and TALK pages of the people asking for this article to be deleted (or editing it out of spite) and the true motives will become quite clear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RetroS1mone

Only editorial work on Wikipedia. AIDS Denialism and attack on this article. PLEASE LOOK AT HIS EDIT HISTORY. He joined Wikipedia on 2 May 2008 simply to attack me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Keepcalmandcarryon

Almost every editorial contribution is attacks on AIDS dissidents (Celia Farber for example). He joined May 1st 2008. Funny how expert these people became on Wikipedia in a week or so and how they gave each other Barnstars in their first few days.

Look at page one of his talk page. Compare the names to the AIDS denialist disscussion page debate.

THIS IS BULLYBOY TACTICS NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF WIKIPEDIA

To disagree with someone on a particular issue is fine but to then use that as a reason to attack them on non-related issues is simple bullying of the worst kind. I presented by case about the objections to the AIDS denialist article on the discussion page and then abided by the mass opinion. Is this reason to launch an organized attack on everything I have done? I hope you all reject this request no matter what your opinions are in regard to my point of view on AIDS. One thing has nothing to do with the other and I have worked hard to improve Wikipedia (1,000 edits in 6 weeks on a host of unrelated topics). Even Keepcalmandcarryon admits on his talk page the edits were good and well referenced Please reject this spite motivated assault.

This article has more complete references than almost any similar one on Wikipedia. If a higher standard was applied, I doubt Wikipedia would have more than a few hundred pages left. Aimulti (talk) 15:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aimulti, you are placing your NPOV further in doubt against good faith. I gave you my reasons for checking your edits, but you continue to impugn me and speculate. I did not ask for your deletion. Along with several others, I have tried to help you improve your referencing, but you have responded with personal attacks. I strongly disagree with your characterization of my edits on AIDS as "attacks" and I respectfully ask that you please respect the collegiality of Wikipedia in any further comments. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 13:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let your history and edits and those of the others working with you, show what the true motives are. I am happy to let the editors decide the truth of the matter. P. S. I DID NOT refer to your edits on AIDS as attacks.Aimulti (talk) 15:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After the link to my user talk page above, you write, "Almost every editorial contribution is attacks on AIDS dissidents." You also imply that I gave someone a Barnstar. I did not. I received a Barnstar. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 00:26, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NME AWARD

Not only did I provide a reference (the NME 1971 awards issue of NME), I also provided a scan of the actual invitation. NME only invited people to the awards who had won one. Tony Blackburn presented the awards. I have requested a back issue (the 1971 awards issue) from NME and also asked them to confirm Mark Hanau was the winner. How much more can you reference something? How many Wikipedia entries provide such solid references? Do I need Mark Hanau's DNA on the award and carbon dating? This is getting absurd!

Aimulti (talk) 04:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Absurd claim Sasha Hanau is not Mark Hanau's daughter

Aimulti, I have deleted the personal contact information you provided. Whether you are Sasha Hanau's father, as you claim to be, or not, Wikipedia prohibits disclosure of personal information. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 13:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ALRA

Not only did I provide a reference from Kent Library naming the 'managers' of ALRA. They use the term for directors but also an image of the school prospectus showing Mark Hanau was Chairman of the Board (by law this information must be correct (Companies Act) and false information is a criminal act). In addition, every prospectus up to 1997 and all school stationary confirm this. In addition to that the company registary is public domain and can be easily checked. http://www.companies-house.gov.uk/toolsToHelp/findCompanyInfo.shtml

In addition every single issue of the weekly newspaper, Stage and Television Today (UK) has display advertisements for ALRA naming Mark Hanau as Chairman of the Board (from 1984 to 2001)

Aimulti (talk) 09:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brecht

Provided three solid references (Newspaper and two University archives) showing that Mark Hanau's parents both worked with Brecht in East Berlin when Mark was a child. Removed line saying Mark met him (as this cannot be referenced) but who can doubt you meet someone who is working with your parents for over two years in a closed society like post war East Berlin? Aimulti (talk) 10:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 You refer to RetroS1mone as 'she'. '''May I ask how you knew this editor was female?'''[[User:Aimulti|Aimulti]] ([[User talk:Aimulti|talk]]) 15:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 :Admittedly, I don't, but the name "Simone" is female AFAIK. One could also ask why you assumed the editor was male, but the gender of your critic is irrelevant. [[User:Keepcalmandcarryon|Keepcalmandcarryon]] ([[User talk:Keepcalmandcarryon|talk]]) 00:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
+Lets stop pretending. I know who you are. Keeponkeepingon is your usual handle and you have hounded me for years on Yahoo Answers etc, etc. I took me I while to figure it out (''must be getting old''). Feel free to deny it (''as I am sure you will'') but we both know what this is about. Quite frankly I don't really care one way or another now that I know the nature of this action. Enjoy yourself. [[User:Aimulti|Aimulti]] ([[User talk:Aimulti|talk]]) 05:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 I can only comment on the section of the article regarding band management and picture discs, which I find informative, well-referenced, and certainly notable enough to qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia. I have no knowledge of Mark Hanau's life or career outside his involvement with Curved Air and Saturnalia but feel that to delete the entire article is extreme overkill and that a less-heated debate would enable the rest of the article to be brought up to the required standard. [[User:RGCorris|RGCorris]] ([[User talk:RGCorris|talk]]) 19:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)