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YouTube Video Poem About Colstrip, Montana

Please be aware: YouTube isn't a reliable source, and your usage here fails the external links standards: external links shouldn't be in the middle of the text, and having that link in the Colstrip article really isn't necessary for the article. I can't see the video (I'm on a borrowed computer, as my computer's wireless isn't working at the moment), and I can't see the video: where's the video from? Is it a video taken by the uploader? Or is it perhaps a video taken from a TV broadcast? Nyttend backup (talk) 15:47, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Answer: The Youtube video shows Wally McRae on his ranch near Colstrip reciting his poem about the changes that have happened to Colstrip from the time he grew up there, and the impact that the coal mines and plants have had. He is a Poet Laureate, nationally recognized. It is relevant to the topic of Colstrip, not amenable to paraphrasing, and by the way shows a notable person from Colstrip. BTW, I am not Wally McRae... P.primo (talk) 18:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sonja Bernhardt proposed deletion

Hello Nyttend- I am new to wikipedia so please be 'kind' to me.

I am Sonja Bernhardt you have commented on the delete my page discussion.

There have been some modifications to draw out the significant coverage and notability a little further - was hesitant at first to try to avoid over pr/marketing and instead jsut to state some facts.

I also ask WHY when within Australia Pia Waugh (a wikipedia page entry) is an acceptable entry and Sonja (me) who is within that country as notable (and arguable more notable) as Pia and the content is written in a like style considered for deletion.

The content is NOT a CV/resume (and barely gives any work information) it is ALL about industry VOLUNTARY activity that is notable and has been making a difference to the industry.

I invite you to google my name and see the many things and other references NOT included in the factual content provided for wikipedia.

The entry tried REALLY hard NOT or promote/PR or market speak but to stick to facts and to notable industry (not work related and instead to stick to non paid difference making) activities. Things I created and programs I designed have been experienced by tens of thousands of women in the industry and hundred of thousands of school children. And now with the Doing IT Around the World passionit.info project just not within Australia bit also around the globe.

I also flag within Australia AWISE and WiT are equivilant to ABI and WITI in America and in reality Sonja Bernhardt equates to Anita Borg and Carolyn Leighton 'fame' in her home country.

I request you reconsider your comments and perhaps assist in building the content to map better to the expected standards. regards Sonja —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.105.232.163 (talk) 12:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2 october - ps article modified some content removed to make it less a 'dump' plus references to other verified independent sources added eg Australian federal Government plus Queensland state government.. Please re look and reconside suitability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonjabern (talk • contribs) 22:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nutbush, Tennessee and Randolph, Tennessee - Two questions

Hi there, recently I added Nutbush, Tennessee to the county template but it was removed by you. I am not exactly sure what the edit summary means. If you find the time, please explain why Nutbush is not an unincorporated community. I mean, if you go there, the sign reads "Nutbush unincorporated" and according to the positioning of the signs when you enter and exit the town, it is entirely in Haywood County. The information in the intro of the article was partly done by another editor of the article, where it says that parts of it are in Lauderdale County, I doubt it. About what I know, Nutbush is entirely in Haywood today, it might have been different in the old times...I have not found any solid proof yet.

I would really appreciate your help in clarifying the situation of Nutbush, because it does not make sense to have wrong or ambiguous information in the article. And as it seems that you are quite an expert in this field I would be very happy if you could check your sources and find out about the current status of that lil' ol' town.

I started a new article about Randolph, Tennessee today. Can I add it to the Tipton County template as unincorporated community?

Thank you very much and take care, doxTxob \ ^talk 21:52, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wandering through (due to my interest in Nyttend's work on Tennessee templates)... I know precious little about Nutbush, but it's clear to me that it's not a neighborhood of a city, but rather a tiny rural enclave far outside the nearest real town. The issue seems to be the article language (which has been there for a very long time) that says it "has been considered part of Brownsville, in Haywood County, and Ripley in Lauderdale County." All I can figure is that this means the post office has at one time or another treated it as a rural route served from Brownsville and at other times as a rural route served from Ripley. Regardless, for all I can tell the sentence is unsourced, and therefore should be replaced with a simple statement indicating which county it is in (or if it spans the county line). --Orlady (talk) 23:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot Nyttend and Orlady for both of your expertise and your help! doxTxob \ ^talk 04:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Olmitz, Kansas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmitz,_Kansas

My edits are correct and are from the latest population survey of Olmitz, Kansas from 2007, available here: http://kansas.hometownlocator.com/KS/Barton/Olmitz.cfm

I have reverted my edits as they are factually correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.231.98 (talk) 23:52, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Sweet Grass, Montana

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that after looking at the provided sources, I agree with you that the community is unincorporated. I left a similar message on the article's talk page. --Acntx (talk) 14:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Salt Flat, Texas

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Salt Flat, Texas, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Danorton (talk) 04:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rochester, Vermont

I re-corrected the link to the Official Town Website. I also added external links to the School and Public Library. These links are correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochester,_Vermont --Normyo (talk) 17:35, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scandia

Sorry about the "city" edit. Thanks for the info. Robsavoie (talk) 18:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pine Hill, California conflict

You used Lisco, Nebraska as the example to follow and then undid my work in contradiction with your own example. Are you willing to let this error stand because of the incorrect US Census name? Why not at least follow the Nebraska example and use the correct name? (I provide the County of Humboldt as proof - County of Humboldt "Pine Hill"). In a correction, wikipedia would use the bold incorrect pluralization of the community to begin the text of the article, but use the correct name of the community (the singular "Pine Hill") as the name of the article, with all redirects to it. In addition, if you look at every official or news reference to this community, you will find that the singular term is used for everything, including Churches, stores, the only grammar school...everything! Though it is true the certain sites, especialy real estate and relocation sites as well as Google maps use the plural, I ask who are they or who is anyone, for that matter, to question the government of the County of Humboldt and its inhabitants -- in fact the very people that live on Pine Hill? I am also curious as to how you decided that the "actual" (your term) name is in the plural form? Thank you for your time. Norcalal 07:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

St. Michael

Normally, I would have moved the article, but since the destination article Saint Michael already existed as a redirect, it is my understanding that a move wouldn't work. Doesn't the desination article have to be non-existence/deleted before you can move an article? Since there was only one edit in article and redirect page histories prior to my action, I figured I could get by with a cut-and-paste in this instance. Is there a way that a non-admin like me can move articles to existing redirect pages, or do the redirects need to be deleted by an admin first?DCmacnut <> 21:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No more questions. Thanks. I decided to test it out after my note. A few weeks back, I tried such a move with another editors mismove of United States Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, but the system wouldn't let me finish the move. I just assumed that it wouldn't work in this case as well. I probably should have tried first.DCmacnut <> 22:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BJ Lawson

When you said that blogs were not reliable sources, you took out not just the sources but the information stated within the sources-- after which the rest of the material didn't make sense. It included David Price's reaction to something that was never stated. Someone even put a tag on that section saying there wasn't enough context. Blogs from candidates and from newspapers, as the News & Observer is, can be used and sometimes are the best sources for candidates' positions. These are not random blogs off the Internet but ones that have an accountable source backing the information, in this case the subject of the article and Raleigh's major daily newspaper. Before you say that blogs can't be used next time, it would perhaps be best to first check who is publishing those blogs and that you're not cutting full paragraphs from an article that already doesn't have enough information. The "Under the Dome" blog from the News and Observer is one of the best sources for news on North Carolina politics.--Gloriamarie (talk) 00:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lisco, Nebraska

I'm not about to start an edit war, and will wait until we have further information from the US Census Bureau. But as stated on the talk page, it appears that your claim that there's a CDP named Cisco is in error. Andrewa (talk) 03:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the response. See Talk:Lisco, Nebraska#From my talk page for my reply. Andrewa (talk) 04:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ohio courthouses and NRHP infobox tips

Hi Nyttend -- I noticed you've added a nice Ohio courthouses template and made other edits relating to Ohio courthouse articles. There's some tools available which might help you be even more productive. I just commented along these lines to User:Bwsmith84's talk page -- I noticed also that Bwsmith84 created articles and/or added NRHP infoboxes for several Ohio county courthouses listed among the National Register of Historic Places listings in Ohio.

Anyhow, for the infoboxes, there's a neat tool available: the Elkman NRHP infobox generator at [http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/infobox.php]. All you do is search on the NRHP name and OH for Ohio. It yields a cut-and-paste-ready infobox, with all the data fields filled out where National Register info system data is available.

I think Bwsmith84 and you must not have been aware of this, because several of your infoboxes seemed to be created by cut-and-paste from other courthouse articles, which can lead to some small errors and omissions. In particular i think at least the Marion County Courthouse (Ohio) article and the Belmont County Courthouse article contained a refnum for the Butler County Courthouse instead.

Also there are tools available which help in creating disambiguation pages that cover all the NRHP sites, such as Logan County Courthouse disambig article which I just created, after noting your comment in an edit summary at the Ohio list-article. I'd be happy to share about that tool and other stuff too. Cheers, doncram (talk) 15:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Got your note back. I didn't mean to imply limitations on what you put in the NRHP infobox. The NRHP generator tool provides a good start, better than copying from another article's infobox, that's all. You can fill in other fields, and add info with different source footnotes like from the Ohio Courthouses book you seem to have. Anyhow, it's a tool to use if you find it helpful. Also, if there is incorrect info in the NRIS-provided fields, you should certainly correct that. Like about "Public Sq." for one location, which you suggest is wrong, that is listed in the NRIS system. If you have local knowledge that is not the current street name, by all means correct it. Also, by the way, the geographic coordinates in the NRIS database are known to be close, usually, but slightly off due to a nation-wide switch from an old coordinates system to the current GPS system, which causes a 20-40 yard shift in where a place appears. If you have precise current GPS coordinates, those should override the NRIS ones. doncram (talk) 16:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, good. I wasn't careful about who seems to be adding info according to what book. It's just i noticed there's a book County Courthouses of Ohio by Susan W. Thrane cited in some of the articles, including Belmont County Courthouse. I didn't check who added that and developed that article. The Belmont article, by the way, was incorrectly given an NRHP infobox and identified as an NRHP site, while it appears not to be an NRHP. I corrected that and some other errors, when browsing through some of the contribution history of bwsmith. But i am not going to go through all of the Ohio courthouse articles myself in order to look for errors and correct them; on this point I am just trying to call attention to the presence of some errors, hoping that other editors like you might look more systematically at the problem. Thanks. doncram (talk) 16:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed in particular you are creating Ohio courthouse pages, and having to speculate for some whether a given courthouse name could be used, or whether there would be other notable courthouses of the same name in other states. I took the liberty to check for and create all the necessary disambiguation pages based on any NRHPs of same name in another state. Details covered at Template talk:Ohio County Courthouses. Modified Template:Ohio County Courthouses accordingly. Let me know if you have any questions, but you should not have to guess any longer about what name to use for a new Ohio courthouse article. doncram (talk) 07:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there

As one of the few members who I still seem lurking around the Ohio Project I was wondering if you could take a look at this. Any stylistic or content remarks would be helpful. I'm not sure if this is the solution to the current page (I hate it for some reason), what do you think? I tried to keep it consolidated with much of the content moved to tabs. Thanks for your time. (The portal look is to mirror P:OH, maybe a bad idea...) §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. I'll keep nosing around. If you have any suggestions for front page conent please let me know. Thanks for your time! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 18:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(To avoid another section) Of course. I don't think I've seen that one before today. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. PS I readded the map to the Hardin County courthouse. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deansboro, New York

Hi! Would you please look at the Deansboro, New York article?It needs a template and some cleanup. I came across the article when I was looking at the Samson Occom article the Brothertown Idians of Wisconsin.I am not familiar with New York's local government system to make the changes. Thanks-RFD (talk) 16:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks-RFD (talk) 23:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Independence, Kansas

The in line EL for Independence High School has been undone by you. I guess I don't understand the reasoning for this action, especially since 6 lines down the listing for the the Zion Lutheran School is an EL. This is the second time that my edits to this article have been revised by you. The other involved The William Inge Center for the Arts. Am I taking this too personal? I want the article Independence, Kansas to be a good, readable Wiki article. Admitedly I am a rank amateur Wiki editor and don't understand all the fine points of editing. I don't quite understand what is wrong. Can you take the time to explain what must be done to make this article comply with Wiki standards? I see dozens of articles in wikipedia that have the same type of EL's as those you have reverted. I realize that just because these exist doesn't necessarily make them correct form. Help me become a better editor and I won't make the same mistakes twice. I realize that you are busy, I can tell that from the dozens of articles that various users have asked you to review. I'm looking for guidance, not a fight, please help and I promise to pass that information along to some other beginner in the future.Cuprum17 (talk) 00:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ZCTA pop data

Thanks for backstopping me on all the ZCTA stuff. I guess I should learn the "proper" source. But then, it's so easy to count on you to set it right... [evil grin]. Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Cat Rock Hollow

An article that you have been involved in editing, Cat Rock Hollow, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cat Rock Hollow. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice?

Trey Green deletion in error

You wrongfully deleted Trey Green because the lack of something or another as a real person - Please research subjects before you have them deleted. As simple google search for Trey Green, or search iTunes, YouTube, MySpace, Facebook, go to his webpage...anything will show that Trey Green is a real person - please explain this and please have the page put back up. I'm sure this was a misunderstanding? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.14.135 (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked 207.155.127.116 is a sock puppet also

Just for your information: an IP you blocked, 207.155.127.116 (talk · contribs), is part of my sock puppet nomination Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Seatreker. He went back to Seatreker as soon as you blocked his IP. --Closeapple (talk) 07:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

talkback

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Y'all doin' a great job - thank you!

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Colfax Township, Dallas County, Iowa

How so are the items placed in the article, as they are public public display items? Please reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabbit.runner (talk • contribs) 09:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your recent revert war with Rabbit.runner, I think you are taking too much ownership. The article is not too large, and the quotation that you question is not too large; it establishes context and contributes to the article, it's clearly formatted as a quotation with attribution. It's not a copyright violation, and in addition you have been reverting other sourced content along with the quotation itself. On top of that, you're not being welcoming to Rabbit.runner who is just trying to expand the article. We need new, involved editors; let's not discourage them. Omnedon (talk) 22:54, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reed Township, Seneca County, Ohio

WP:OVERLINK#What generally should not be linked gives examples of the type of thing that should not be linked. This includes

Items that would be familiar to most readers of the article, such as the names of major geographic features and locations, astronomical objects, historical events, religions, languages, and common professions.

This point is specifically intended to discourage linking to universally familiar items such as United States (and other major countries). It's reasonable to assume that just about any reader in the entire world has heard of the United States - it's a link that provides no benefit because no-one is ever going to use it, unlike the link to Ohio, which many readers may not be familiar with. Colonies Chris (talk) 12:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It may well be common practice for articles about US places to contain a link to United States (and similarly for other major countries, no doubt), but it's not a standard, it's not useful and it goes against the manual of style. The article should of course state that the place is in the US, but there is no benefit in linking to that article. Links are there so that a user can follow them to improve their understanding of the topic. Do you think anyone has ever used those links, or ever will? These links don't contribute to a user's understanding, they just distract attention from the more useful and valuable links in the article. A paper encylopaedia wouldn't have a footnote referring you to the 'United States' article on p. 9261 in every article on a place in the US, and nor should an online encyclopaedia. Colonies Chris (talk) 13:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Court Avenue

On 18 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Court Avenue, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- How do you turn this on (talk) 00:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discoveries

Thanks for the notice! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 02:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eureka, MT

I'm requesting that you stop deleting the links for the TVIA and the Sunburst Foundation. Both of these organizations are local non-profits that are dedicated to helping the local community grow. I understand the need to not have every business in town listed, but this is such a small town and I do think that these organizations are worth listing. Thank you for your time working on the article, I appreciate that someone is watching an article for such a small place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.173.81 (talk) 19:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Graphics reply

Re:Fort Bliss

I see that. I am hoping that the afd will shut the door on any future attempts to break up the article content like this. I am also asking that the milhist poeple look into ammending our mos to deal with this problem since it seems to be a reoccuring problem. At any rate, thanks for your help. TomStar810 (Talk) 23:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coal Run

Sorry, I forgot to add the citation! D'oh. Also, I forgot how to format it since it's been awhile. It probably deserves a current event section tag, or something similar for the time being. It might not be note-worthy enough to include for the long-term, but it's a small town with a small -'pedia article, and I think this article helps individualize and identify it from amongst the rest of the town/community stubs on this site, not to mention how strange it is that it [the town] has been overlooked for so long RETURNING TO THE OLD AMERICAN CENTURY.

NRHP naming conventions, and county list tables

Thanks for table-izing the List of RHPs in KS part way, and for asking questions about it at wt:NRHP. I hope Elkman's response to you there was helpful. For the New York State List of RHPs in NY, I went through all the weekly NPS listings back through April 2008 to get the new listings' info, such as date listed, etc.

But, Sanfranman59, the main updater of all the NRHP lists, also can provide you a list/table of the Kansas ones (as an extract from a spreadsheet of them all) so that you don't have to go through the weekly listings. I'll ask him to comment here.

The need for table-izing is great, and the complexity of the task is pretty high, so I do hope you will keep consulting as questions come up.

One tip/request: I find that for edit history purposes and for clarity of what the Elkman generator provides vs. what you edit, it is best to paste in Elkman tables in one edit, and save, and then proceed with additional editing. Right now, as you start with this, I would like to see that done, so I or others would be able to review your decisions a bit and perhaps provide feedback.

For other tips, please see recent discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Archive 16#Table-izing the state NRHP lists.

About one naming convention issue, I notice that you chose to go with Palace Theater (Kansas) as the suggested name for one red-link NRHP in the list. I checked the previous name, and see it was a red-link, so i see you did not lose a valid link. And I see that you renamed Palace Theater (Kinsley, Kansas) to Palace Theater (Kansas) in the Palace Theater disambiguation page, which is consistent and thorough of you to address. However, I created or developed that Palace Theater disambig page, so i noticed that, and I believe that the consistent naming convention for NRHP places is to add (Town or City, State) after an ambiguous name. You are correct of course that this is the only Palace Theater at the disambig page which is in Kansas, so the town or city name is not strictly necessary for distinguishing it there now, but the convention is to add the town or city name, too. And I think that provides a better, clearer article name. Note, the name can also be viewed as being in "very specific, broader place, broader place" order, like as in "Palace Theater, Kinsley, Kansas, United States, Earth, Solar System, Universe". Going up only as far as Kansas seems to be best, which includes Kinsley on the way. This convention applies really broadly for NRHP property names. (An exception in practice, which actually I think needs to be addressed, has been for county courthouse names which have just borne the (State) disambiguation; i think that I will launch a drive to bring all of those into (town, state) format too.)

Hope this feedback is helpful. doncram (talk) 18:26, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I replied to your questions at my talk page, there. I'll watch here, too, if you want to keep the discussion all in one place (here being perhaps better). doncram (talk) 19:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, another important thing, is please consider adding notes to wp:NRIS info issues, if you notice there is a discrepancy in the NRIS and/or Elkman data. Say if you notice a town name is wrong, or the geo coordinates for a site are way off. We are trying to collect such instances for batch reporting to the National Register, and I think it is also to keep a central record of our "original research"-type decisions to go differently than the NRIS data presents. Also, there were more discussions about doing this table-izing right, between Sanfranman and myself mostly, at User talk:Doncram#A request, User talk:Sanfranman59#table-izing, User talk:Doncram#table-izing. You might or might not choose to browse those, not sure if those have useful stuff for you. doncram (talk) 19:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As Doncram indicates, I have a spreadsheet with NRHP listings posted from March 28 through August 8. There were 40 new listings added in Kansas during that time period. I haven't updated the spreadsheet with listings since August 8, so you'll need to click through the recent listings links on the NPS website to get the details of any listings posted since then. I'm not sure how to get the spreadsheet information to you unless I send it as an email attachment. It won't cut-and-paste very well here. Send me an email through my User page and I'll reply with the spreadsheet attached and post a message on my talk page to let me know to check that email address (I don't monitor it closely). --sanfranman59 (talk) 03:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The spreadsheet's on its way. Happy editing! --sanfranman59 (talk) 04:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photographic hero

When I "grow up" I hope to be more like you and have heaps of photo contributions. Now if only my community-style photos at Commons were half as good as yours! --Kralizec! (talk) 18:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Green Bay (town), Wisconsin deletion

This is a SOS! Some editor put the Green Bay (town), Wisconsin article up for deletion claiming it does not exist. The town of Green Bay does exist in Brown County but it is not adjacent to the city of Green Bay. Thanks-RFD (talk) 20:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The debate about the town of Green Bay, Wisconsin article being deleted was closed.There was no merit about deleting the article.Thanks-RFD (talk) 23:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Glen Ilah deleted from Yarnell AZ page

Why was the community of Glen Ilah directly SW of Yarnell AZ deleted? I may have accidently said SE but it is SW on the western side of Hwy 89.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Glen+Ilah&state=AZ

EoGuy (talk) 06:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC)EoGuy[reply]

Abram S. Piatt

Thanks for catching that error! I copied a template from Francis Fessenden and used that to create this new article. I neglected to change the service date. Good catch! 8th Ohio Volunteer Infantry (talk) 12:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Template:Geneva Golden Tornadoes football coach navbox

Trying to keep things organized. If you check out Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/MasterTeamTable, you'll notice where X96lee15 renamed all the coaching templates for the FBS (I-A) teams as University + Team name + football coach navbox. In an effort to standardize things I've gone through and renamed all of the FCS (I-AA) teams to follow suit. I've also renamed the NAIA, Division III and defunct teams. Haven't gotten to Division II yet. It's a lot of work. :) --Geologik (talk) 00:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Stratford Shoal

Fair enough.

Not trying to cause mayhem on that wikipedia article just to let you know. I just thought "hey, this is an unincorporated territory and is unique". Im not going to push it any further thou.

Also sory about the 3 times revert thing. I was not aware of that rule here on wikipedia and am now abbiding by it

-User:Kotosb

Removal of speedy tag from Image:Li hongzhi curing people.jpg

I placed the unsourced tag on that image because the copyright information provided says it's PD and created by the user, but I don't think that's true. Maybe he found four images online and put them together like that, but that doesn't mean it's his own work. And I've seen similar pictures of Li Hongzhi of the same format (four pictures arranged together) that do have source information (I can try to track some down again and give you links if you like). In any case, I'm pretty sure the image is not PD; do you know if there's any better way for me to check that? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 14:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for your message. I don't have any concrete evidence handy, but I will try listing it anyway. Considering that the image is orphaned, I guess it wouldn't hurt to try. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 16:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Honolulu et al

Please see Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions (settlements)#Proposed fixing of the convention for US cities. An Administrator was needed to make most of the moves. But I am still working through the backlog of WP:RM. I suggest that you ask the move proposer to assist in altering the templates. The move proposer was User:Derek.cashman --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 19:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All but two I said I would not move, are moved. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 19:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trego, MT

I noticed that you are the one that created the Lincoln County, Montana template. I added Trego, MT as a unincorporated community, if you would like to create the article for it that would be great, it does have a post office with zip code 59934. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.12.225 (talk) 05:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ohio County Courthouses

Hi. Why do you insist on adding the word "current" to this template. The Cuyahoga County Courthouse, for instance, is not the current one. The current one is part of the Justice Center Complex (Cleveland, Ohio). Actually the ones in the template are there primarily for their historic status rather than their current status. In other states such as Florida, you will find listings for several courthouse of diffent vintage in the same county. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk)

Abram S. Piatt

Good job on finding the picture! Nyttend (talk) 04:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. I also added a few bits of info, and I'll do more as I find stuff on the guy. Kresock (talk) 16:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Berlin, Ohio

Yes, I understand why you are trying to sanitize the article to conform to certain standards, but I stand behind the belief that the best town and village articles are the ones that provide insights into the town's charactor. Your version gives no indication that Berlin is one of the most popular tourist attractions in the state, generating several thousand visitors a day, and the biggest Amish tourist attraction in the country. This article should not be limited simply because no newspaper or book has recently done an story that can be referenced on the town's tourism. - Ken keisel (talk) 18:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, if you take the statements listed in the WP:V and WP:RS articles, since they cite only other Wikipedia articles for their references, which in turn cite these articles for their references, then these articles violate their own rules and should be deleted!! In addition, much of what can be referenced using these rules is widely inaccurate. It basically comes back to the "statement of fact" debate that raged here about a year ago. In other words, if I write an article about a famous building and I say the building is grey, but no one has published an article stating that it is gray, even if I post a photo of it in the article should the statement of color could be removed without further references? An amazing number of people said "yes", though it was ultimately concluded that most statements of the obvious should be allowed. At some point you have to let good sense step in and allow writers to state obvious facts without the need for references, such as the Amish tourist industry in Berlin- Ken keisel (talk) 23:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been writing for Wikipedia since late 2004, and have created about 45 articles. Unfortunately, any discussion of what is obvious or not is subject to POV, but you must agree that some statements of the obvious are so obvious as to need little debate. In the case of "Berlin, Ohio" I live in Columbus and have been going to Berlin a minimum of four times a year since 1986, when it was just a quiet little town with a few Amish buggys coming and going. Back then the biggest buisness was the feed store. Now it is the largest Amish tourist attraction in the nation, attracting up to 20,000 visitors a day, year round. The locals say that Berlin gets more visitors in a year than Cedar Point (which is closed for half the year), and I've no reason to doubt that. Since the amount of tourism in the town is almost frightening (you can hardly drive through it on most days), and Amish tourist buisnesses have taken over every single store and home on Main Street, the statements I wrote about Amish tourism I think fall into the "statement of the obvious" catagory. - Ken keisel (talk) 00:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NRHP templates

Ya it was kind of a combination of two templates. I was thinking about using {{!}}, but I think that &middot looks better (just my opinon). I also didn't want to just knock off another template. --CPacker ^{talk to me} 03:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its cool, thanks for the advice :)--CPacker ^{talk to me} 05:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ariobarza

I noticed that you'd asked Akhilleus what Ariobarza's latest personal attack meant. He has a habit of attacking editors with whom he disagrees; having reviewed his edits systematically, I believe there are significant concerns about him that need to be addressed. I have raised this issue at WP:AN/I#User:Ariobarza. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 Ya it was kind of a combination of two templates. I was thinking about using <nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>, but I think that &middot looks better (just my opinon). I also didn't want to just knock off another template. --[[User:CPacker|CPacker]] <small><sup>[[User talk:CPacker|talk to me]]</sup></small> 03:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 :Its cool, thanks for the advice :)--[[User:CPacker|CPacker]] <small><sup>[[User talk:CPacker|talk to me]]</sup></small> 05:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
+==Ariobarza==
+I noticed that you'd asked Akhilleus what Ariobarza's latest personal attack meant. He has a habit of attacking editors with whom he disagrees; having reviewed his edits systematically, I believe there are significant concerns about him that need to be addressed. I have raised this issue at [[WP:AN/I#User:Ariobarza]]. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] ([[User talk:ChrisO|talk]]) 20:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)