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Speedy deletion nomination of Divizia B 1990–91

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Speedy deletion nomination of Divizia B 1990–91

A tag has been placed on Divizia B 1990–91 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. You may wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Székely

I see you're new here - welcome to the community. Look forward to seeing your contributions on the Székely, since that seems to be one of your interests. Hubacelgrand (talk) 14:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I join Hubacelgrand, please be invited to work on other Székely Land-related articles as well, I made quite a lot of edits to Székely Land settlement articles that you can follow from my contrib list. I will be happy to co-operate with you. The job needs lot of patience but is a nice one. If you have questions feel free to contact me on my talk page. Rokarudi--Rokarudi 11:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Szekely Land

Terra Siculorum (official name) ceased to exist as a territorial-administrative unit in 1867. Nowadays it represents a cultural region of the Hungarian ethnic group, being defined by the cultural distinctiveness of the major ethnic group in the area in relation with the cultural particularities exhibited by surrounding populations. Thus if the Szekely population were to emigrate, its cultural importance in the present day would be lost (the historical one will remain), while Transylvania (your example) would continue to exist as a geographical region even if every inhabitant were to emigrate (regardless of ethnicity). There are tens, maybe hundreds of cultural regions and sub-regions belonging to the Romanian ethnic group, and thousand of such cultural areas belonging to other ethnic groups which are only sporadically mentioned. On Wikipedia, a settlement found in a clear defined historical and geographical area like Transylvania (for example) is not shown on a map of that region except where such an area still holds an administrative status (not our case). User:Rokarudi has tried such an inclusion and in this form, it represents a blatant, shameless expression of Hungarian irredentism, like it or not. Not only similar examples on Wikipedia are nonexistent but the previously mentioned user presented as sole argument the definition of the area in question on the Romania Wikipedia which can easily be changed and is probably of dubious origins. Consult [1] for more info. I am interested in hearing your opinion regarding the issue since you at least offered a reasonable argument on a revert summary recently. Amon Koth (talk) 17:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: I had the chance to have a look at Suceava and Bacău Romanian counties which lie next to the Székely Land (Har-COV for Amon Koth). The commune section looked in such a bad shape that I felt obliged to arrange at least Baia as one of the rare examples which contained more than 2 lines. If we speak about something blatant and shameless, it is the simple fact that certain editors take no effort in improving clearly and exclusively Romanian-related stubs, but wikihounding other editors, and like a censorship department, delete and change everything that is not in line with a hardline national line. By the way, not because I would not deal with them from ideological reasons, just as an experiment, I omitted on purpose from editing those communes in Harghita county which have a strong Romanian majority (75%), just to see when the self-declared defenders of Romania will take a little effort to expand these articles from their current zero content state. I think I can wait another 100 years, or do it myself or with DerGelbeman.Rokarudi--Rokarudi 18:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

How an odd coincidence to meet you here (Wikihounding?). And who empowered you to tell me constantly what I should or should not do or what my interests are? Your version of improving articles refers to endlessly spamming the same history section instead of centralizing data and doing all kind of dubious edits which are ethnically motivated. I would rather abstain myself than doing such improvements. You have constantly accused me of being nationalistic just because you cannot back up your edits with reasonable arguments. Instead of engaging in constructive discussions you attack me personally. And just FYI Romania has ethnic minorities, just because I don't support your biased POV doesn't necessarily mean I am a Romanian. Although having such a view provides plenty of perspective on your mentality. Interestingly enough tough, you avoid discussing the issue in relevant places but barge on the page of this user to make another of your accusations. Amon Koth (talk) 20:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

DerGelbeMann, just to remove any confusion I restate my interest in hearing your opinion regarding the issue, if you are willing to provide it, of course. Amon Koth (talk) 20:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Szekely Land (Székelyföld) was for more than 500 years an autonomous territory of the K. of Hun. Like for instance Bukovina, it is a historical region, not a geographical region.

The lead of the Suceava article specifies the belongness to Bukovina (region created only in 1775), so why wouldn't we include the part about Sz. Land where it is the case?

We must take into consideration the current realities, not possible vadimist scenarios about a virtual en-masse Szekely emigration. Szekely Land is an ethnographical and historical region, it was and still is a special area of Transylvania.

Many persons who visit these pages are probably ethnic Hungarians, so I think it is OK to include also the reference about the historical Sz. Land.

On the other hand I am not against inserting, in History section, maps showing the localization of the settlements in medieval Szekely Land

P.S. This is only my personal POV, maybe it could be good to post a message on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Romania to consult other editors. In this moment the score is 2-2, so we need additional opinions. Another idea would be to take this to WP:ECCN (DerGelbeMann (talk) 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC))

DerGelbeMann, you have severely misunderstood my example. Since the discussion has moved here [[2]] I see no reason to duplicate information on your talk page. Amon Koth (talk) 20:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Szekely land(dispute)

Hello, i would like to ask for your permission to move this thread on [3] for a chance to reach a consensus. Can i copy this thread(link) and your comment there as a start of the discussion?Adrian (talk) 11:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

You may copy it(DerGelbeMann (talk) 11:55, 1 June 2010 (UTC))

Thanks. Adrian (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Trying to solve this

Consensus not reached ?

Hello, I have read the whole section again [4] and it looks to me that we have a consensus about the "Szekely land" issue. I am correct? Can you please have a vote at the end [5] just to be clear and to avoid any further possible confusions. Thank you.Adrian (talk) 15:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

ANI

Hello, i would like to invite you to try to solve this dispute [6]. Consider participating please in the interest of solving this dispute. Thank you.Adrian (talk) 12:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Rumanized or Romanized

Hi, I see that you changed the word Rumanized to Romanized. I used the Rumanized form as English sources including the respective Wikipedia article brings its noun form as "'Romanianization or Rumanization ". So, I chose the less complicated 'Rumanized'. For most likelihood, the English usage is intended to disambiguate between a noun referring to the making Roman (Romanization) in the Roman Empire and the making Romanian (Romanianization or Rumanization) in modern Romania. I understand that the Romanian/Roumanian issue has relevance for Romanians and they prefer the first. However, we can not use Romanized as it means a different thing. I suggest you to change you edit for the best sounding version in English or if you dislike both Romanianization or Rumanization, let us find another formula like "was given in Romanian as xxx" or similar".p.s. I was serious, if you have ideas to improve clearly non-Hungarian related Romania articles, I am ready to participate.Kind regards Rokarudi--Rokarudi 09:00, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

It was my mistake. I corrected it (DerGelbeMann (talk) 10:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC))

Its time to revise block

Editor Iaaasi was blocked indefinitely and it seems that he has remained a main concern of sockpuppet investigations. In Romanian-Hungarian edit relationships, DerGelbeMann proved to be a moderate, consensus-seeking person, so I do not think, whether Iaaasi or not, that he needs to be a target of a block. In Transylvania-related disputes, there are other obvious sockpuppets with agressive editing policies, however, just because they edit and vote from the master's girlfriend's IP adress, can go on without any consequence. Iaaasi once made some questionable edits [7] on his talk page which was treated as hate mongering against Hungarians, but this was grossly misunderstood and over-exaggerated. As a Hungarian working mainly on Transylvania topics I know quite well the few remaining active editors in the topic, and I can warrant that Iaaasi|Umumu|DerGelbemann learned the lesson and its time to unblock him. Rokarudi--Rokarudi 11:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately not all the Hungarian users think like you(79.117.139.77 (talk) 16:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC))

Indeed there are editors " with agressive editing policies". Those same editors have a clear disruptive behavior and constantly attack those who hold a different opinion than their own. As some Hungarian users focus their attention on neighboring countries instead of expanding the articles in their homeland while "sending" away editors form the same countries, DerGelbeMann, certainly did`t do anything to deserve this block while other users openly express their heavily biased POV [8] and afterward claim neutrality. This can be clearly seen, 2 paragraphs above, that those same editors waste no opporunity in making their personal attacks. Adrian (talk) 12:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)