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Welcome to Wikipedia, Yatzhek! I am LouriePieterse and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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LouriePieterse (talk) 18:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Whigger" and Poles

I'm sorry, I read the source you use, and it neither shows research or common usage. It's just one guy's essay, with no references to works that can verify it. It may be interesting to you, and I am sure it would be if it was more than just speculation, but its currency in the English language is low to nonexistent in common parlance, and as it stands it is not of encyclopedic interest for this article. Perhaps you can start an article on this topic and see where it leads you. Right now it's just no good in the list of ethnic slurs. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Well, I saw it on the internet many times when ppl used to call Poles that nasty way and this article somehow confirms the reality..

Thank you for your Poland-related contributions

Hello and welcome Suppcuzz! Thank you for your contributions related to Poland. You may be interested in visiting Wikipedia:WikiProject Poland, joining the project, joining our discussions and sharing your creations with our community.

--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 17:50, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nationalism

Would you be so kind and leave your polish nationalism out of the Wikipedia! Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.4.72.119 (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

--Yatzhek (talk) 20:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC) Show me an example. You see, the one who is spreading nationalism accross the internet is you. People such as you can't understand that being a patriot doesn't mean being nationalist. Educate yourself, and then verify your antagonistic attitude toward Polish people. Racist.[reply]

Ethnic Poles - Aryans?

Please stop adding unsourced text into articles. I reverted the recent edit on Black people in Nazi Germany because Poles were not regarded as "racially non-Aryan" nor does the source given state that. Fixed

Ethnic Poles, like all Europeans were Aryan. Poles were put into the "Aryan side" of ghettos and the Ahnenpaß used Poles as an example of an Aryan.--Windows66 (talk) 20:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are extremely wrong by saying that Poles were pure Aryan! The "ladder/pyramid of races" according the Nazi Germany looked like this, from the bottom to the top: Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Serbs, Blacks, Mulattos, Rusyns and other Slavic peoples (excluding for example some Ukrainians who formed UPA, and some of the Croats who formed Ustasi and were collaborating with the Germans on the same basis as Italians did. Sove Slavs were deemed to have some Germanic Goth blood in them). Sounth-Europeans were in the middle of the pyramid (excluding Italians who were facist collaborants). The Japanese people for example, despite being Asian, were seen as the "honorary Aryans", mostly for political reasons. Apart from that, racially, the Germanic nations were near the top of the "racial pyramid", and ethnic Germans were the top "master race". It's you, who is trying to change the historical facts and manipulate them. The fact was that POLES, as well as other European Slavic peoples WERE CALLED "SUBHUMAN" and POLISH PEOPLE WERE CONSIDERED "DIRTY MASSES FROM THE EAST" as Germans called them. What's more, Germans claimed that Poles are "half-Arian mutts" that's why they were put on the "Arian side" of the ghetto! Poles had always been way darker than Germans, but the young Polish children who happened to be blonde were "a good subject for Germanization" according to the Racial policy of Nazi Germany, but most of Poles were not to be exterminated completely, but rather enslaved. The very same situation as in case of Black Africans in the Nazi Germany. Read about it, and then talk about it. Yatzhek (talk) 13:31, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, you didn't need to create a new section on my talk page but could have just replied via your own talk page here on the section I created. You have it all wrong, all Europeans were regarded by the law as "racially equal". I think you are confusing "Aryan" with "master race", the Aryan race was all Europeans, the master race (Herrenvolk) was the Germanic peoples.

Poles were actually given as examples of 'Aryans' in the Ahnenpaß/Ahnenpass ("ancestors passport") when the Nuremberg Laws became enforced.

Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be." German: "Arischer Abstammung ist demnach derjenige Mensch, der frei von einem, vom deutschen Volk ausgesehen, fremdrassischen Bluteinschlag ist. Als fremd gilt hier vor allem das Blut der auch im europäischen Siedlungsraum lebenden Juden und Zigeuner, das der asiatischen und afrikanischen Rassen und der Ureinwohner Australiens und Amerikas (Indianer), während z. B. ein Engländer oder ein Schwede, ein Franzose oder Tscheche, ein Pole oder Italiener, wenn er selbst frei von solchen, auch ihm fremden Blutseinschlägen ist, als verwandt, also als arisch gelten muß, mag er nun in seiner Heimat, in Ostasien oder in Amerika wohnen oder mag er Bürger der USA oder eines südamerikanischen Freistaates sein.
— Vokabular des Nationalsozialismus

The reason Poles were placed into the 'Aryan side' in the ghettos because they were "Aryan". In fact, Poles were separated from Jews for this exact reason, any Poles found giving help to Jews or having any sort of relations with them were given the death penalty. Can you please provide me a quote from a speech or document that called the Poles a "dirty masses from the east"? Nothing here is manipulating history or anything, in fact that is what many of the historians and authors have done with the Nazis policy on the Slavs, although some still speak the truth. All Europeans INCLUDING Slavs were 'Aryan':

Albert Gorter, a prominent minister official gave the definition of Aryan as: The Aryans (also Indo-Germans, Japhetiten) are one of the three branches of the Caucasian (white race);they are divided into the western (European), that is the German, Roman, Greek, Slav, Lett, Celt [and] Albanesen, and the eastern (Asiatic) Aryans, that is the Indian (Hindu) and Iranian (Persian, Afghan, Armenian, Georgian, Kurd). Non-Aryans are therefore: 1. the members of two other races, namely the Mongolian (yellow) and the Negroid (black) races; 2. the members of the two other branches of the Caucasian race, namely the Semites (Jews, Arabs) and Hamites (Berbers). The Finns and the Hungarians belong to the Mongoloid race; but it is hardly the intention of the law to treat them as non-Aryans. Thus . . . the non-Jewish members of the European Volk are Aryans. . . .
— The Nazi Ancestral Proof: Genealogy, Racial Science, and the Final Solution.

The Poles that were sent to be Germanized were not classified as ethnic Poles but ethnic Germans living in the eastern land, that is why they were kidnapped and forcefully Germanized, this a completely different thing altogether. Now its up to you to provide evidence that they were "non-Aryan" (as well as proving a speech or document that states they were "dirty masses from the east").--Windows66 (talk) 09:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC) Also please don't accuse me of "manipulating historical facts", this can be regarded as a WP:PA.--Windows66 (talk) 09:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop littering my wall with tons of information which you don't understand. Why did you delete "ethnic Poles" as the ones who suffered as Blacks during the German regime, while you left "Gypsies/Romani" untouched? A little did you know, Gypsies were even more "Aryan" than Germans and Scandinavians! Haa! Surprised? http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/gypsies.html Hitler had a big problem with them, so he figured out a story, that Gypsies are in fact from the Aryan tribe, but are not pure enough and were expelled from India with disgrace on them, and that they deserve to die as a betraitors of Aryan blood. You totally consuse "White" with "Aryan" and you produce your own theories. Poles AT THE TIME, as almost all Slavs, were regarded as half-Aryan with the West-Asian admixture from the Caucasus, Iran and Afghanistan. "The masses from the East" is what Germans called all Slavic people generally, along with the Jews, Gypsies, Armenians etc. The reason why Poles were not destined to die at first, is that they were considered to have some good portion of Aryan blood but mixed with Asian/Indo-Iranian blood. Only Germans were "Aryans" in terms of GERMAN NAZI rules. I know Poles might have a great part of Aryan genes in them, but this is what science says. And the Nazi Germans said someting different and here is my point. DONT CONFUSE the SCIENTIFIC data with NAZI DOCTRINES! By the way - Why did you start the talk about the Poles as "Aryans", while the article is about Black people in Nazi Germany and ethnic Poles (which means non-Jewish Poles) were given as an example of being persecuted, but not perished completely as Jews? PS - did you know that millions of people died during the Shoa, while 6 milion were Jews, 2 million were ethnic Poles, over half-a-million were Romani (Gypsies), and the rest were other ethnicities? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Non-Jewish - How dare you discredit the Polish suffering during the Shoa by saying that Poles were treated as Aryans? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims - Hope you read the whole of my message and educate yourself. Thank you. Yatzhek (talk) 13:31, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yatzhek, Windows66 has removed referenced information from the Nazism article and has chose to engage in discussion on the talk page. Would you be interested in participating? -- Tobby72 (talk) 13:26, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I am interested. How can I join and how can I see the referrenced informaion that were deleted? PS - I suggest that this user is very dangerous for the Wikipedia reliability. He deletes everything that is about the Polish suffering during the WWII. Yatzhek (talk) 13:33, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Windows66 quotes author Artur Silgailis,[1] former chief of staff of the Latvian Waffen-SS: "... By inventing such posts Jewish writer performs a social order, fomenting bestial hatred of everything German, and encouraging physically destroy German women and children. ... the Slavic peoples, and, of course, the Russian people were officially recognized in the Reich racially related, fraternal ethnic groups. What is the meaning to destroy their brethren..." Seems like blatant anti-Semitism and revisionist history of the worst kind to me. Even so, it is still better to assume good faith. Discussion on the talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nazism#Slavic_peoples, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nazism#Poles -- Tobby72 (talk) 13:54, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Yatzhek - what I have posted is genuine text from the Nazi documents themselves, if it goes against what you want to believe then tough luck. The reason I left the Gypsies is because them along with Jews were classified as "enemies of the state" because of their blood, unlike ethnic Poles. The Nuremberg Laws classified the Gypsies as "racial enemies", this was not the case with the Poles.

When you start putting in text like "Only Germans were "Aryans" in terms of GERMAN NAZI rules." then you show your own ignorance, 'Aryan' included more than just Germans but all Europeans, including the Poles. I have even showed you - Poles were placed into the 'Aryan side'.

We are not here to discuss the Holocaust, the number of victims nor the persecution of the Poles but rather that Poles Aryans (hence the section title), they were placed into the 'Aryan side', they were Aryans and the source given does not say Poles were "racially non-Aryan" - in fact, I've found no sources that state this hence why it will continue to be removed.

I am still waiting for you to provide me a document or speech from any Nazis saying Poles were "dirty masses from the east".

In your next reply do not bother ranting to me accusing me of complete nonsense but actually provide me some sources in stating what you say, so far you need to prove to me...

Poles were "racially non-Aryan" - the source given does not state this.

Poles were "dirty masses from the east".

Only Germans were "Aryans" according to the Nazi ideology.

Go ahead...--Windows66 (talk) 14:22, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Replying to me with stuff like:

"Please stop littering my wall with tons of information which you don't understand."

"PS - did you know that millions of people died during the Shoa, while 6 milion were Jews, 2 million were ethnic Poles, over half-a-million were Romani (Gypsies), and the rest were other ethnicities? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Non-Jewish - How dare you discredit the Polish suffering during the Shoa by saying that Poles were treated as Aryans? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims - Hope you read the whole of my message and educate yourself. Thank you."

These are WP:PA - personal attacks is not tolerated on Wikipedia, I am educated and understand but you are choosing to ignore my evidence and are replying without any evidence.--Windows66 (talk) 14:35, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to not actually be willing to discuss the Poles Aryan and the evidence given which is why I am removing your edit of the article, for example the reasons why the ethnic Poles edit is getting removed:

"they were still considered an inferior race on a similar basis as ethnic Poles or Gypsies" - this is also incorrect, firstly no source is given and secondly the Nuremberg Laws defined the Jews, Gypsies and non-Europeans as the racial enemies based as "inferior races", ethnic Poles are not mentioned.

"Blacks were placed at the bottom of the racial scale of non-Aryans along with Jews, Poles, Serbs and Gypsies." - the source given The Holocaust: a reader. by Simone Gigliotti does not mention ethnic Poles as being "non-Aryan".

It's becoming close now to the Wikipedia:Three revert rule enforcement.

Your next reply should include sources to the three things I have asked for you to provide and refrain from personally attacking me.--Windows66 (talk) 14:40, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please, stop. Just stop. You are saying about Poles being "Aryan" all the time, while the article which started this sensless discussion Black people in Nazi Germany which mentioned the Poles and similar victims, is not about their Arianism, but about the Racial policy of Nazi Germany and the scale of the suffering. You replace THE SOURCED INFORMATION with some highly subjective information, also sourced, but only from one point of view - yours. My source about the "dirty masses from the East" is the book: "Revisiting the National Socialist Legacy: Coming to Terms With Forced Labor, Expropriation, Compensation, and Restitution", page 84 by Oliver Rathkolb. talk - you are hight problematic. And as i see, not only to me, but to manyway more experienced and trustworthy editors of Wikipedia. Yatzhek (talk) 15:04, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I'm emphasizing about Poles being Aryan is because that is what I am removing from the article.

Revisiting the National Socialist Legacy: Coming to Terms With Forced Labor, Expropriation, Compensation, and Restitution by Oliver Rathkolb mentions no speech or document about Poles being "dirty masses from the east". This discussion does not need to go on any longer, as I can see there is no cooperation.--Windows66 (talk) 15:10, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver Rathkolb, Revisiting the National Socialist Legacy: Coming to Terms With Forced Labor, Expropriation, Compensation, and Restitution, p.84 : "The European peoples to be conquered were hierarchically ranked into alien and Germanic races. Accordingly, there were plans to give Europe a new structure: In Western Europe a work sharing industrial society under German leadership, in the countries of the East, Southeast and later South the exploitation of raw materials and manpower. Being Slavs the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and Serbs were only slightly above the Jews in the racial hierarchy. Their fate was to be enslavement or death. ... The realisation of these aims began immediately after German troops had entered Poland on September 1, 1939. ... Shortly afterwards, the deportation of civilian workforce - men and women - followed. At the same time, the Nazi-party and the Gestapo launched a campaign against so-called Slavic "Untermenschen" (subhumans) and "human beasts". This campaign even reached the farthest schools." -- Tobby72 (talk) 15:40, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard all that before from so-called historians and authors, this does not give a speech or document calling Poles "dirty masses from the east". Which is what I asked for. All of that is refuted by Nazi documents anyways, the racial hierarchy placed Slavs equal to the Germans and the ancestors passport and official definition of 'Aryan' proves this. This is not what I asked for though but rather above the several things the user inserted without sources, such as the absurd "Only Germans were Aryans" nonsense.--Windows66 (talk) 15:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are completely out of your mind? Why are you saying this "Aryan, Aryan, Aryan" thing all the time? This was not the case and you push this topic all the way! I had enough! You deleted the information about ethnic Poles because you dont understand the article Black people in Nazi Germany - ethnic Poles were mention as people who suffered SIMILAR persecutions... or should I say - Blacks suffered similar persecutions to Poles. You are an anti-Polish pseron, hating on this nation, can't stand the fact that Poles were the victims and I think, if you had such power, you would delete all the articles about the Polish suffering and victims of the Would War II. The question is - why? Racism? Antipolonism? Yatzhek (talk) 16:18, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

HAHA I can't actually believe I am reading this. You see the edit you so badly want to be kept in the Black people in Nazi Germany is saying:

"they were still considered an inferior race on a similar basis as ethnic Poles or Gypsies, and were likewise described as untermenschen."

The reason ethnic Poles need to stay out of this is because its incorrect no statements by any Nazis can show that Poles were viewed as an "inferior race", in fact Poles were given the same racial status as Germans themselves. Blacks on the other hand were considered an inferior race and were mentioned as people of "alien blood" and were persecuted by the Nazis according to the race laws of 1935, this was not the case with ethnic Poles. The Ahnenpass mentions Poles as 'Aryans' for the race laws.

"Blacks were placed at the bottom of the racial scale of non-Aryans along with Jews, Poles, Serbs and Gypsies."

Since when??? This is why I keep trying to debate with you about the Poles being Aryan, since when were Poles non-Aryans? What ignorance, this is why it needs to stay out.

I'm an anti-Polish person and racist towards Poles because I refuse to want unconfirmed text into an article? I never have once denied that Poles suffered greatly under the Nazi occupation of Poland in any of my text. Had enough of what??? If you knew what you are wanting to be added into the article then you would sure as hell know why its being removed. There is lots of articles on Nazi persecution of Poles but that is not what this article is about and what you are wanting into the article is complete bs. Poles were not on the same racial level as blacks, they were on the same racial level as Germans.

The questions are why are you refusing to accept that it was not because of any "racial theory" that the Poles suffered by the Nazis? Why accuse me of being racist for simply removing text that is not genuine? Why are you refusing to accept Poles WERE Aryan?

You can even read stories of how Poles tried to help Jews by forging them Aryan papers and suffered the death penalty for this, you can read about how Jewish Poles faked themselves and lived on the Aryan side (Poles) in the ghettos.

You bang on why am I saying "Poles were Aryan" which is simple: you are wanting "non-Aryans along with Jews, Poles" in the article when this is NOT true. Get it yet? Y--Windows66 (talk) 16:31, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It seems by this edit you are finally understanding the reverting reasoning of mine, the "non-Aryans along with Jews, Poles" was incorrect and is not even listed in the source given. Ok?

Problem with how it is now: Poles were not considered an inferior race like the Gypsies. I have changed the start to just mention Gypsies (since the mention of "race" is involved) with a source, see here.--Windows66 (talk) 16:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See the section "Other victims". Thank you. Yatzhek (talk) 16:53, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the Holocaust article? Holocaust_victims#Poles and The_Holocaust#Non-Jewish do not mention anything of them being an "inferior race" or "non-Aryan".--Windows66 (talk) 16:55, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Listen, why the hell do you stick to this "aryan" "non-Aryan" thing???? It drives me insane reading this for the whole time. I simply compared the type of persecution of Blacks to the type of persecution of Poles during the Nazi German rule, because it was basically the same. THE SAME. I did not compare their racial features, but the type of persecution. ========== but go ahead, write you own history. I am tired of sensless arguing with you.~PS - "thank" you for littering my wall, instead of talking about it on the Talk:Black people in Nazi Germany page. Yatzhek (talk) 17:10, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think "Blacks were placed at the bottom of the racial scale of non-Aryans along with Jews, Poles, Serbs and Gypsies." was being refuted for? Hence the talk about Poles being Aryans. You whining on saying they were regarded as half-Aryans and so on is not backed up by any evidence.--Windows66 (talk) 17:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

According to your post here you would not edit the Black people in Nazi Germany article anymore yet you have, why? There becomes a consensus eventually on things and your edits are getting challenged all the time, for example your recent edits on the Racial policy of Nazi Germany was challenged by the first reply to your new section created, it can be seen here.--Windows66 (talk) 17:10, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see you are extremely stubborn in obtaining your goals. That's a very good feature.

I still claim Poles were NOT Aryans, you can never call them like this. They were regarded as half-Aryan and half-central-Asian with an admixture of some genes from the Caucasus (a place between Russia, Turkey and Iran). All Slavic were seen as such. Only SOME Croats (but not all) were said to have some Germanic Goth blood in them and this funny fake theory made up by the Nazis (similar to the Japanese "honorary Aryans" theory) made Hitler a new ally. He simply saw some of the Slavs as strong and brave men, and it would be a pity to kill them, so he'd rather use them as his soldiers. Some Czechoslovaks and Ukrainians were also trated a bit better than the rest of Slavs, but NEVER AS GOOD as GERMANIC PEOPLE. Even the British, who are Germanic, were not "pure enough" for Hitler's ideology and he called them "bandits". Nazi racial laws were very very restrictive and strictly defined. The "honorary Aryans" was the most extreme "deviation" from these "norms".

By saying "you won" I meant the article Black people in Nazi Germany - I totally disagree with you at that point, but i feel helpless about your actions and stopped reversing your edits. You are too strong for me, you complain about me to some highly-graded Wikipedia admins to eventually block me. AND I DIDNT EDIT THE ARTICLE not even once since i said that "you won", OK? Nevertheless, I see you follow all my input on other "talk- boards", and I feel like being haunted and oppressed by you man, so please give me some understanding. After I said I am done with arguing with you you started to search for my current edits and wrote here: Talk:Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany#The_.22Pyramid_of_Races.22_according_to_the_Nazis_during_the_World_War_II

This is why I keep talking with you. But please, stop commenting on my stuff by impairing my every single suggestion, and I will not post you even a one more message. Thank you for your attention..... Oh, and one more thing .. Despite I think what I think, I'm sorry for this whole situation. I dont want to have a foe on Wikipedia because I am a normal person not a robot. Don't mean to attack you, but your following and reverting my edits made me angry. Sorry for this. Just want to say that privately I am a polite man, just sometimes some things make me mad, and I feel bad about this situation. I am giving you a conciliation-hand. That's all. Yatzhek (talk) 20:10, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' noticeboard

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.--Windows66 (talk) 15:57, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring policy

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Black people in Nazi Germany. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. While edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, breaking the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. -- Diannaa (talk) 15:54, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Has the User:Windows66 also received such an alert? What is more, he is placing unsourced information and deleting the sourced and verified data in the articles about Nazism in Europe. Yatzhek (talk) 16:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also received the alert.

Where in any articles have I removed unsourced information?

The first bit of the edit that is questioned has no source, the second is a load of bs, "non-Aryans along with Jews, Poles" is not in the source given and is not true. N It will stay out of the article.--Windows66 (talk) 16:32, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

February 2014

This is your last warning. The next time you make personal attacks on other people, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. You are in danger of being blocked due to your disruptive comments. Shii (tock) 16:16, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thank you for your notification. First of all - I am not a native-English-speaker so I do not understand everything clearly, but I try. Secondly - I am a polite man, always wiling to cooperate, amicable, and who never complains about nobody to nobody behind one's back. This is why I think it is highly unfair when someone does it to me.

Finally - please show me a clear example of my personal attack SINCE MY LAST WARNING given by a user "Diannaa". I have the right to know that, Wikipedia gives me that right. So either give this clear example or cancel the warning.

Moreover, I want to make peace with the user "Windows66" and promised not to start no argument with him any more.

Thank you. Yatzhek (talk) 20:27, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That is good. I was replying to your message here: [2] In the future, please remember our WP:NPA rule, even when other editors are arguing with you. Shii (tock) 20:59, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK. What can I do to have this warning cancelled? I always want to talk to solve the conflicts, and every problem has a solution so everyone can be happy. Yatzhek (talk) 21:35, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think this conversation will be good enough to "cancel" the warning. It looks like you understand the rules and will continue to make helpful edits. Shii (tock) 22:54, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Shii - Yesterday I was trying to make peace with "Windows66", but today I see some mass-attack on me, despite the fact that I did nothing wrong since your warning given to me. [[3]] [[4]] Why? Why is he doing this to me??? It's really annoying and making me pissed off. Please Shii, tell him to stop stalking me so he and I can just go our own way. I know that he will still be monitoring all my contributions and reversing everything I edit, no matter what will it be, but this time he will not succeed in making me this mad. Yatzhek (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

He is certainly being confrontational, but he hasn't broken any rules yet. It seems like he knows the rules very well. If you need more help in the future, you can put the template {{helpme}} on this talk page, and another admin will come take a look at the problem. Shii (tock) 07:16, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I am being confrontational and rightly so; I was accused of racism, anti-Polish, Holocaust denial and white supremacy... do you expect me to be singing joyful songs and take this with a pinch of salt or something? It is serious allegations yet you have the cheek to claim you are the one being mad. No I won't let it be for now atm, I will once the investigation is done with, not my fault you couldn't cooperate with me in the first place. Funny how you are getting all defensive when an investigation is being made regarding sock puppets and when I am reading stuff like [5] from yet a DIFFERENT random IP address it certainly rings alarm bells, don't you think so Shii?--Windows66 (talk) 16:12, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@ Shii - thank you so much. I will ask someone for help. Do I use this "helpme" tag in a new section or here? Windows66 is so agressive towards me that I feel helpless, he is winning all the way by his manipulations. His knowledge of Wikipedia rules gives him the power to manipulate them in order to shut the mouths of other users. I want you to get interested in him, while if I was a new user of Wiukipedia, he would simply scare me away from this website. I think, that even if Id make a contribution keeping all the Wikipedia rules of sourcing, with unbreakable sources included, he would revert it anyway. Tell me, Shii, where can I get help when someone reverts my sourced and neutral contribution? I don't know the functions and need someone to help me. I am portrayed as an aggressor while i am the victim! I don't want to make no fights on Wikipedia. I just wanted Wikipedia to be free of the "quasi-historical" "truth". I wanted to discuss my contribs with Windows66, but right after reading his messages I felt oppressed and attacked by his ironical manner of conversating with me and tons of materials which made no sense. That's the way he does it. Yatzhek (talk) 17:54, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh please give over playing the sympathy card with Shii. You are far from the "victim", you are the aggressor, how can you even say you are not when you have accused people of racism, Holocaust denial and being a white supremacist please tell me. Simply scare you away from the website? Thousands upon thousands of people use Wikipedia every single day it doesn't mean they check someone's user contributions. I've not removed anything that was sourced, your edits which were incorrect were a) not supported by the source given b) had no source - try again. Please tell me what "quasi-historical" "truth" I have used. Just because I state the fact Poles WERE considered Aryans does not mean that I think no Poles suffered, for all you know I may be Polish myself. Manipulation? If one looks through your history logs the person will see a pattern of someone who comes across as aggressive and then when gets reported plays the sorry and sympathy card and expects people to accept this and move, sorry but no. And whilst you may not realise your response there is a WP:PA... you were advised to read the Wikipedia rules and regulations. I mean, how do you even know I am a male ("he")???--Windows66 (talk) 18:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you were intelligent enough to understand... I think you know exactly what I mean, but you act like you wouldn't know, to make me talk more and more so it would work against myself and look bad when the admins see it. I will explain in to you anyway - by "new Wikipedia user" i meant someone who begins his adventure with editing Wikipedia. You would scare such a person away. You used "quasi-historical truth" by saing "Poles were not untermensch" and that "there is no evidence" while there is TONS of it. How come you, an Englishman (it's impossible you are a Pole because all Poles know their history), how come you know it better than me, a Pole with an admixture of some Jewish and African blood, living in the place where it happened, whose family members were killed or did slave-work during the Holocaust and only few survived? There is TONS of EVIDENCE in POLISH LANGUAGE and well as GERMAN language, that were not translated into your language. You also suggested that Poles were "Aryan" and so they were seen as racially no worse than Germans or other of the "master-race" (European Germanic peoples) insinuating like there have been friendly relations between them and Germans considering the racial policy. - PS - I said "he" because no girl would be that persistent. Yatzhek (talk) 18:24, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You two both need to cut it out. Focus on writing the article, and if you disagree over the facts explain where your information comes from. "Tons of Evidence" is not sufficient. Ignore personal attacks and don't get personal with other editors. Shii (tock) 18:39, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which is something I have previously mentioned. I don't even want arguments but I will not ignore being accused of what Yatzhek claimed I am, hence the reporting. But sure lets just disagree to agree.--Windows66 (talk) 18:58, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Shii - I will ignore the attacks from now on, but he must promise to ignore me either. I know that a further argument makes no sense, while me and him we have certainly different views and noone will win this. I was just trying to defend the historical truth, and I'm paying for it right now by getting some warinings, being complained about to the administrators behind my back etc etc. Well, just as all Poles I pay the price. Who tries to defend the truth and keep it on Wikipedia must do this sacrifice. Now i see it was sensless while the truth always will be on the native-English-speaking side. Yatzhek (talk) 19:16, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Then if you would look to defend historical truth admit Poles were Aryans there is overwhelming evidence for this. Yeah you will ignore my attacks yet you have reported here... HAHA. See here, so Shii who is not letting things not drop now huh? These tedious little childish games are becoming irritating, I must say from this particular user.--Windows66 (talk) 19:20, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's 1:1 now. You reported me, I have reported you, while behaviour like yours shall be reported as well. Nonetheless, I would like to end this conflict as soon as possible. I said what I had to say, nothing more to add. Yatzhek (talk) 22:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a game of me versus you, please just leave me alone. I can see you are trying to get me to break some rule or another, not going to happen. Goodbye.--Windows66 (talk) 15:22, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is obviously not a game, but there sure is a lot of tackling and brutal fouls up in here on the talk-pages. Bye. Yatzhek (talk) 21:05, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TALK#USE.--Windows66 (talk) 14:29, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yatzhek, listen, User:Windows66 is blocked now, he turned out to be a sockpuppet of User:English Patriot Man, while he was accusing us both and numerous other users. He is pathetic, isn't he? A racist and totally anti-Polish man, an English nationalist trying to defame the Poles on every single step by changing the facts, diminishing the suffering of Poles during the World War II as well as denying many other struggles of this nation. He destroyed tons of articles. Now please, Yatzhek, User:Tobby72, User:MyMoloboaccount and the other users who were unfairly accused of sockpuppetry - could you all take a closer look at Windows66's contributions and revert them to the previous state, untouched by his racist propaganda? 91.218.158.26 (talk) 08:47, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Oh really? How come? He used to accuse me (as well as every single user who didn't agree with him) of sockpuppetry, and now he appears to be one! Funny. This is the peak of hypocrisy. Thanks for the information. Well, I don't want to revert his contribs yet, as some of those still might be valueable. However, I will take a closer look to it, and I hope other users who have wide knowlegde about the WWII will contribute. Thanks for the information once again. PS - who are you? Heard you're from Poland..? Why are you under your IP address? Yatzhek (talk) 20:08, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I use my IP because it is more comfortable and safe as I didn't want this maniac "Windows66" and his sockpuppets to provoke the admins to block me. All I want is a peaceful debate and the historical truth kept on Wikipedia, just like you do. ... Tak jestem z Polski, pisalem Ci przeciez na mojej stronie. Pozdrowienia! Take care. 91.218.158.26 (talk) 14:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

While editing Wikipedia it's best to focus on adding content and sources, and trying to avoid emotional reactions. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Yes, I know that. But when someone accuses me of serious things and others support him just because I'm from Poland, it's hard to stay calm. I can now feel a tiny bit of what Blacks felt in America back in the day. Yatzhek (talk) 21:51, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yatzhek, if I was black, I would take offense at your comments. You have not been the subject of any prejudice, and William cannot be said to have a prejudicial bone to pick in this dispute. I think you have misunderstood the problem with your edits and the fact that Wikipedia faces nationalistic POV pushing on a daily basis. If this kind of nonsense continues, I will happily support your topic ban. Viriditas (talk) 00:06, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Take offense? Really? Noone has the right to compare to Black poeple? Well, a little did you know, I am 1/4 Black African! Hahaha! What now? Secondly - How come you call my contribution "nonsense"? Educate yourself - Mikołaj Kopernik was Polish with 80% of his family tree being Polish people, and barely 20% of Prussian/German origin. His first language was Polish. Why can't his real Polish name be in the brackets as first? Why its German equivalent is on the first place? It's not nationalism, you accuse me for that only because I defent the truth. Admit it. Be a man. Yatzhek (talk) 11:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

May 2014

Welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Reinhard Heydrich, but we cannot accept original research. Original research also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You've changed it twice, and been reverted twice, so stop. Do not add it again unless you find a reliable source that supports your edit. Thomas.W ^talk 16:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I will find the exact source and will edit it again soon. And don't revert it then, because this will be against the Wikipedia rules. Thank you. Yatzhek (talk) 16:39, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That depends on what the source is, if it's a reliable souce then it won't get reverted, not by me at least, but if it's not what Wikipedia see as a reliable source, then you will be reverted. Thomas.W ^talk 17:34, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yatzhek: I stated the reason for my revert, as you made an uncited addition and challenged it per WP:BRD. You, therefore, should not have reverted back to your uncited, WP:OR addition but discussed the matter on the talk page. As Thomas.W states above, any new addition now must be WP:RS cited and the wording agreed to, as well. Kierzek (talk) 19:29, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, my sources will be reliable. I simply need to find the book or the website that cites the book. Yatzhek (talk) 20:08, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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