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JournoList (sometimes referred to as the J-List) was a private Google Groups forum for discussing politics and the news media with 400 left-leaning journalists, academics and others. Ezra Klein created the online forum in February 2007 while blogging at The American Prospect, and shut it down on June 25, 2010 amid wider public exposure. Critics of the group would go on to point out various inflammatory statements made by members of the list denigrating conservatives, as well as the suppression of negative articles to prop up then Presidential candidate Barack Obama. Examples of the groups media spin includes the suppression of stories about Jeremiah Wright as well as focusing on stories damaging to Sarah Palin.

Background

Ezra Klein controlled the forum's membership and limited it to "several hundred left-leaning bloggers, political reporters, magazine writers, policy wonks and academics." Klein justified excluding conservatives from participation as "not about fostering ideology but preventing a collapse into flame war. The emphasis is on empiricism, not ideology." Posts within JournoList were intended only be made and read by its members. Klein defended the forum structure saying that it ensured "that folks feel safe giving off-the-cuff analysis and instant reactions." JournoList member and Time columnist Joe Klein said the off-the-record nature of the forum was necessary because "candor is essential and can only be guaranteed by keeping these conversations private." The existence of JournoList was first publicly revealed in a July 27, 2007 blog post by Mickey Kaus.

However, the forum did not attract serious attention until March 17, 2009 when an article published on Politico detailed the nature of the forum and the extent of its membership. The Politico article set off debate within the Blogosphere over the ethics of participating in JournoList and raised questions about its overall purpose. The first public excerpt of a discussion within JournoList was posted by Mickey Kaus on his blog on March 26, 2009.

2010 JournoList leaked emails and shutdown

On June 25, 2010, The Daily Caller published private e-mails from David Weigel denigrating conservatives. Weigel was hired to cover conservatives for The Washington Post.

Among Wiegel's leaked emails included hoping Limbaugh "failed" when he was rushed to the hospital with chest pains. In another comment, he posted:

Honestly, it’s been tough to find fresh angles sometimes–how many times can I report that these [tea party] activists are joyfully signing up with the agenda of discredited right-winger X and discredited right-wing group Y?

Another post criticized conservatives for how it "violently, angrily divide America." Their motives, Wiegel said, included “racism” and protecting “white privilege.” Another comment included:

There’s also the fact that neither the pundits, nor possibly the Republicans, will be punished for their crazy outbursts of racism. Newt Gingrich is an amoral blowhard who resigned in disgrace, and Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite who was drummed out of the movement by William F. Buckley. Both are now polluting my inbox and TV with their bellowing and minority-bashing. They’re never going to go away or be deprived of their soapboxes.

Weigel said of Matt Drudge:

It’s really a disgrace that an amoral shut-in like Drudge maintains the influence he does on the news cycle while gay-baiting, lying, and flubbing facts to this degree.

In an email with the subject line, "ACORN Ratf*cker arrested", members of Journolist discussed how James O’Keefe's undercover reporting showed officials from ACORN willing to help a fake prostitution ring to skirt the law, had been arrested in another, failed operation at Sen. Mary Landrieu’s (D-LA) office, Wiegel responded with:

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Deep breath.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHA.

He’s either going to get a radio talk show or start a prison ministry. That’s was [sic] successful conservative ratfuckers do for their second acts.

On Republicans, Wiegel said they were “ratfucking [Obama] on every bill.” On Sarah Palin, Wigel said she tried to “ratfuck” a moderate Republican in a primary in New York. On Limbaugh, Wiegel said he used “ratfucking tactics”.

That same day when his emails were leaked, Weigel resigned from the Post, and Klein announced in his Post blog that he would shortly terminate the JournoList group. On June 29, commentator and Web publisher Andrew Breitbart offered a $100,000 reward to anyone who could provide him with the "full 'JournoList' archive, source fully protected." Breitbart wrote, "Ezra Klein's 'JournoList 400' is the epitome of progressive and liberal collusion that conservatives, Tea Partiers, moderates and many independents have long suspected and feared exists at the heart of contemporary American political journalism."

Other leaked emails from JournoList members

Sarah Palin nomination

Immediately after John McCain revealed Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate for the 2008 presidential election, various members of JournoList chimed in with their comments.

Michael Cohen of the New America Foundation said of the pick:

Honestly, this pick reeks of desperation. How can anyone logically argue that Sarah Pallin [sic], a one-term governor of Alaska, is qualified to be President of the United States? Train wreck, thy name is Sarah Pallin.

Jeffrey Toobin, a legal analyst for CNN and The New Yorker, said:

What a joke. I always thought that some part of McCain doesn’t want to be president, and this choice proves my point. Welcome back, Admiral Stockdale.

Daniel Levy of the Century Foundation discussed how the "non-official campaign" for Obama could shape the conversation:

This seems to me like an occasion when the non-official campaign has a big role to play in defining Palin, shaping the terms of the conversation and saying things that the official [Obama] campaign shouldn’t say – very hard-hitting stuff, including some of the things that people have been noting here – scare people about having this woefully inexperienced, no foreign policy/national security/right-wing christia wing-nut a heartbeat away …… bang away at McCain’s age making this unusually significant …. I think people should be replicating some of the not-so-pleasant viral email campaigns that were used against [Obama].

Blogger Matt Yglesias, now the executive editor of Vox, said of the pick:

The line on Palin. John McCain picked someone to help him politically, Barack Obama picked someone to help him govern.

Managing editor of the Democratic Strategist Ed Kilgore replied with:

The criticism of her really, really needs to be ideological, not just about experience. If we concede she’s a ‘maverick,’ we will have done John McCain an enormous service. And let’s don’t concede the claim that [Hillary Clinton] supporters are likely to be very attracted to her.

Kilgore later told members of JournoList:

I STRONGLY think the immediate task is to challenge the ‘maverick’ bullshit about Palin, which everybody on the tube is echoing. I’ll say it one more time: Palin is a hard-core conservative ideologue in every measurable way.

Avi Zenilman of Politico discussed the flaws of attacking Palin on her experience:

The experience attack is a stupid one. It’s absolutely the wrong tack — the tack that McCain took when he was losing, and that Hillary and Biden took all primaries.

Ryan Avent, a blogger for the Economist and now an editor there, agreed with Zenilman, saying:

I really don’t think the experience argument needs to be made by the Dems. It’s completely obvious to any reasonable person. Instead, hammer away at the fact that she has terrible positions on things like choice, and on the fact that she has no ideas on the issues important to people

Chris Hayes of the Nation and now with MSNBC, told members of JournoList:

Keep the ideas coming! Have to go on TV to talk about this in a few min and need all the help I can get.

Suzanne Nossel, chief of operations for Human Rights Watch, talked about how Palin's pick could be spun:

I think it is and can be spun as a profoundly sexist pick. Women should feel umbrage at the idea that their votes can be attracted just by putting a woman, any woman, on the ticket no matter her qualifications or views.

Time Magazine's Joe Klein linked his article, sourced from discussions on JournoList, to members of the list:

Here’s my attempt to incorporate the accumulated wisdom of this august list-serve community.

JournoList founder Ezra Klein, blogger for the Washington Post and Editor-in-Chief of Vox, told the group:

I see no reason to attack Palin. I think you accurately describe Palin and attack McCain.

Jeremiah Wright

On July 20, 2010, The Daily Caller (DC) published the dialog of the JournoList concerning Jeremiah Wright. The contributors discussed killing the Wright story, as it was reflecting negatively on Barack Obama. In a separate discussion, about an ABC News-sponsored debate between Obama and Hillary Clinton, Michael Tomasky, a writer for The Guardian, also tried to rally his fellow members of JournoList:

Listen folks – in my opinion, we all have to do what we can to kill ABC and this idiocy in whatever venues we have. This isn't about defending Obama. This is about how the [mainstream media] kills any chance of discourse that actually serves the people.

James Taranto observed that one JournoList contributor, Spencer Ackerman of The Washington Independent, stated:

If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they've put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares – and call them racists.

Ackerman was also quoted as saying:

...find a right winger's [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously, I mean this rhetorically.

In response, Daily Caller commentator Jim Treacher posted a photo of a building with multiple plate glass-windows destroyed with text over the building reading "Ackerman Wuz Hear" (a LOLCats reference).

Thomas Schaller, a columnist for the Baltimore Sun and political science professor proposed organizing a "smart statement expressing disgust" with members of JournoList on questions ABC had posed to Obama:

Why don't we use the power of this list to do something about the debate?...It would create quite a stir, I bet, and be a warning against future behavior of the sort.

Tomasky replied with his approval, "YES. A thousand times yes."

Members of JournoList began collaborating on their open letter. Jonathan Stein of Mother Jones rejected an early draft, saying:

I'd say too short. In my opinion, it doesn't go far enough in highlighting the inanity of some of [Gibson's] and [Stephanopoulos's] questions. And it doesn't point out their factual inaccuracies …Our friends at Media Matters probably have tons of experience with this sort of thing, if we want their input.

Economist Jared Bernstein, who would later become Vice President Joe Biden’s chief economist, gave feedback on the draft:

Short, punchy and solely focused on vapidity of gotcha.

After the draft was completed and signed, JournoList members released the letter on April 18, calling the ABC debate “a revolting descent into tabloid journalism and a gross disservice to Americans concerned about the great issues facing the nation and the world.”

Obama's victory

After Obama's 2008 presidential victory, various members of JournoList commented to the group.

Laura Rozen of Mother Jones, and now with Politico, said of Republicans:

Can you imagine if these bozos had won? People we no longer have to listen to: would it be unwise to start a thread of people we are grateful we no longer have to listen to? If not, I’ll start off: Michael Rubin.

Michael Cohen of the New America Foundation replied:

Mark Penn and Bob Shrum. Anyone who uses the expression “Real America.” We should send there ass to Gitmo!

Jeffrey Toobin of The New Yorker and CNN asked the group, "...does anyone know what prompted Michael Barone to go insane?", to which Matt Duss of Foundation for Middle East Peace replied, "LEDEEN." Spencer Ackerman followed up with:

Let’s just throw Ledeen against a wall. Or, pace Dr. Alterman, throw him through a plate glass window. I’ll bet a little spot of violence would shut him right the fuck up, as with most bullies.

Eric Alterman of the Nation replied with:

Fucking Nascar retards…

Other emails

The Daily Caller published a story by Jonathan Strong on July 21 about JournoList members wanting the federal government to shut down Fox News. According to Strong, Jonathan Zasloff, a UCLA law professor, wrote that the government should be able to pull the broadcasting license of the cable channel. But Zasloff later said Strong did not correctly characterize his comment, which was "really more of a question than anything else, and nobody really picked up on it. That turns into my demand to shut down Fox News?" The article also reported that one member of the discussion group, Sarah Spitz, a producer for a public affairs radio program at a National Public Radio affiliate station, wrote that she would laugh if she saw conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh have a heart attack in front of her. "On JournoList," according to the DC article, "where conservatives are regarded not as opponents but as enemies, it [the comment] barely raised an eyebrow." On the day Strong's story was published, Spitz apologized for the comment. The article also quoted Ryan Donmoyer, a reporter for Bloomberg News, comparing members of the Tea Party movement to Nazis. Strong wrote, "In the view of many who've posted to the list-serv, conservatives aren't simply wrong, they are evil."

Responses

Tucker Carlson, who edited several of Strong's articles about JournoList, wrote in a July 22 article: "Again and again, we discovered members of Journolist working to coordinate talking points on behalf of Democratic politicians, principally Barack Obama. That is not journalism, and those who engage in it are not journalists. They should stop pretending to be. The news organizations they work for should stop pretending, too. [...] I've been in journalism my entire adult life, and have often defended it against fellow conservatives who claim the news business is fundamentally corrupt. It's harder to make that defense now. It will be easier when honest (and, yes, liberal) journalists denounce what happened on Journolist as wrong." Fred Barnes, executive editor of The Weekly Standard, discussed JournoList saying, "... hundreds of journalists have gotten together, on an online listserv called JournoList, to promote liberalism and liberal politicians at the expense of traditional journalism."

Defense of JournoList members

JournoList member Jonathan Chait says that "the group as a whole did not jointly participate" in any particular discussion thread. "Almost every discussion was limited to a small percentage of the group that was interested in the topic. Most people ignored most of the topics."

Kathleen Parker, writing in The Washington Post, argued that "perspective is needed here." She stated that comments had "been presented out of context and, besides, were offered as part of an ongoing argument among colleagues who believed they were acting in good faith that theirs was a private conversation." She also referred to JournoList writings as "the private comments of people who, for the most part, have no significant power" and had an expectation not to be 'outed'.

List member Joe Klein wrote at his Time blog, "The views I expressed on Journolist were the views I express here." He identified himself as moderate compared to most leftist members, who subjected his ideas to "onslaughts". He stated that allegations that list members colluded to produce talking points or plan activities with each other are simply false and the group debated with each with members valuing their individuality. He recounted that the only time list members could agree on "joint actions" was "meeting up at some bar."

Foster Kamer of The Village Voice, who was not a JournoList member, has remarked that, emphasis in original, "off-the-record means off-the-record, and an assault on a journalist's right to express him or herself in private is an assault on both the freedom of the fourth estate and free speech in general". Greg Sargent of The Washington Post, a list member, criticized Carlson for not posting JournoList threads in their entirety. He wrote that "publishing them would make it tougher to paint J-Listers as a secretive and omnipotent political cabal, rather than just a bunch of geeks and eggheads venting and arguing about politics".

Ezra Klein recounted Tucker Carlson's effort to become a member of JournoList, which he said he supported, and wrote:

"I want to be very clear about what I was suggesting: Adding someone to the list meant giving them access to the entirety of the archives. That didn't bother me very much. Sure, you could comb through tens of thousands of e-mails and pull intemperate moments and inartful wording out of context to embarrass people, but so long as you weren't there with an eye towards malice, you'd recognize it for what it was: A wonkish, fun, political yelling match. If it had been an international media conspiracy, I'd have never considered opening it up. The idea was voted down. People worried about opening the archives to individuals who could help their careers by ripping e-mails out of context, misrepresenting the nature of the ongoing conversation, and bringing the world an exclusive look into The Great Journolist Conspiracy, as opposed to the daily life of Journolist, which even Carlson describes as 'actually pretty banal'."

List of documented JournoList members

To use the sortable table, click on the icons at the top of each column to sort that column in alphabetical order; click again for reverse alphabetical order. The default mode orders the list alphabetically by last name. "Employer" columns refer to employers at time of participation in JournoList.

Name	Employer(s)	Other information
Spencer Ackerman	Washington Independent, The
Ben Adler	Politico (reporter)	Later an editor at Newsweek
Michael Allen	Politico (columnist)
Eric Alterman	Nation, The, City University of New York (professor)
Greg Anrig	Century Foundation, The
Dean Baker	American Prospect, The
Nick Baumann	Mother Jones
Josh Bearman	L.A. Weekly
Steven Benen	Carpetbagger Report, The
Jared Bernstein	Center on Budget and Policy Priorities	Later became an economist working for Vice President Joe Biden
Lindsay Beyerstein	(blogger)
Michael Berube	Crooked Timber blog, Pennsylvania State University
Joel Bleifuss	In These Times
John Blevins	South Texas College of Law (professor)
Sam Boyd	American Prospect, The
Rich Byrne	playwright, freelance writer
Jonathan Chait	New Republic, The (senior editor)
Lakshmi Chaudry	In These Times
Michael Cohen	New America Foundation
Joe Conason	New York Observer (columnist), Salon.com (columnist)
Daniel Davies	Guardian, The (columnist)
Brad DeLong	Brad DeLong's Semi-Daily Journal, University of California, Berkeley
Ryan Donmoyer	Bloomberg News
Kevin Drum	Washington Monthly, The (when list began)
Henry Farrell	George Washington University
James Galbraith	University of Texas at Austin
Todd Gitlin	Columbia University (journalism professor)
Ilan Goldenberg	National Security Network, The
Merrill Goozner	Chicago Tribune
David Greenberg	Slate (contributor)
Robert Greenwald	Brave New Films
Christopher Hayes	The Nation
Don Hazen	Alternet
John Judis	New Republic, The (senior editor)
Michael Kazin	Georgetown University (law professor)
Ed Kilgore	Progressive Policy Institute (senior fellow), FiveThirtyEight.com (contributing writer)	Managing editor of The Democratic Strategist, an online forum
Richard Kim	Nation, The
Mark Kleiman	Reality Based Community, The, University of California, Los Angeles
Ezra Klein (no relation to Joe)	Washington Post (blogger)
Joe Klein (no relation to Ezra)	TIME magazine (columnist)
Paul Krugman	New York Times (Op-ed columnist), Princeton University (professor)	Nobel Prize laureate
Lisa Lerer	Politico
Daniel Levy	Century Foundation
Alec McGillis	Washington Post
Scott McLemee	Inside Higher Ed
Ari Melber	Nation, The
Seth Michaels	MYDD.com
Luke Mitchell	Harper's magazine (editor)
Gautham Nagesh	Daily Caller, The	Joined in March 2009 and left in April 2010; later a reporter with The Hill
Susan Nossel	Human Rights Watch (chief of operations)
Michael O'Hare	University of California, Berkeley (professor)
Rick Perlstein	Campaign for America's Future
Harold Pollack	University of Chicago
Katha Pollitt	Nation, The
David Roberts	Grist blog (staff writer)
Alyssa Rosenberg	Government Executive
Thomas Schaller	Baltimore Sun (columnist), University of Maryland, Baltimore County (professor)	FiveThirtyEight.com (contributing writer)
Michael Scherer	TIME magazine
Mark Schmitt		(later executive editor at The American Prospect)
Julie Bergman Sender	Balcony Films
Nate Silver	FiveThirtyEight.com
Ben Smith	Politico
Sarah Spitz	KCRW-FM (National Public Radio affiliate station) program "Left, Right & Center" (producer; as of July 2010 a publicity director)	After her JournoList comments about Rush Limbaugh were made public, she apologized.
Adele Stan	Media Consortium, The
Kate Steadman	Kaiser Health News
Jonathan Stein	Mother Jones (reporter)
Sam Stein	Huffington Post, The (reporter)
Steven Teles	Yale University (professor)
Mark Thoma	Economist's View, The
Michael Tomasky	Guardian, The
Jeffrey Toobin	CNN (senior analyst), The New Yorker (staff writer)
Rebecca Traister	Salon (columnist)
Cenk Uygur	Young Turks, The
Tracy Van Slyke	Media Consortium, The
David Weigel	Washington Post news blogger covering the conservative movement
Moira Whelan	National Security Network
Kai Wright	Root, The
Holly Yeager		Later associated with Columbia Journalism Review
Rich Yeselson	Change to Win labor federation (research coordinator)
Matthew Yglesias	Slate
Jonathan Zasloff	University of California Los Angeles (law professor)
Julian Zelser	CNN (contributor), Princeton University (professor)
Avi Zenilman	Politico

Cabalist spin-off

After Klein shut down JournoList, a new group, calling itself "Cabalist" was started by Jonathan Cohn of The New Republic, Michelle Goldberg and Steven Teles, a professor of political science at Johns Hopkins University. The group, which had 173 members by late July, was made up mostly of former JournoList members. Its existence managed to stay secret for several weeks, until The Atlantic magazine correspondent Jeffrey Goldberg revealed its existence in a blog post on July 21. Goldberg reported that one recent discussion concerned whether or not members should ignore the articles on The Daily Caller website. "In other words, members of Journolist 2.0 were debating whether to collectively respond to a Daily Caller story alleging—inaccurately, in their minds—that members of Journolist 1.0 (the same people, of course) made collective decisions about what to write."

See also

• Groundswell group
• Gamergate controversy