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Genre

I think it is wrong for the genre field to be left blank. I think it is best to keep it simple. Such as having Heavy metal, Hard rock, Alternative rock, and Gothic rock being the genres in the info box. Just a thought. Dekai Averett (talk) 00:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@Dekai Averett: I agree, readers should not have to go to the musical style section to see what genre they are. It should be in the infobox, and not having it in the infobox takes away from the article. The infobox is suppose to summarize what's in the article. As long as the genres are sourced they should be added to the infobox as soon as a consensus is made. Also the genres that are most sourced are alt-metal, gothic metal, hard rock, nu metal, and symphonic metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bowling is life (talk • contribs)

The infobox is for simple answers to simple questions. The Evanescence genre answer, however, is very complicated, and even contradictory, with some sources denying the conclusions made by other sources, which is why the genre parameter is empty here. A full description is best delivered to the reader in prose. Let's not give the reader the false sense that the band's genre is widely agreed-upon. Binksternet (talk) 03:08, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I still hate the idea of an empty infobox. I have a partial solution in mind but have yet to complete it. And really, if this persists, I'm opening an RfC on it. I'm not going to let that stand forever either. But this will happen another day. I'm mentioning something about how people disagree on their genre in the lead at some point, because it's probably one of the things that keep the band relevant, to be honest. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 04:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Genre

@Huntster: then why not delete the genre parameter in the first place?--◂ ‎épine _talk♬ 15:09, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

That's not a terrible idea, for now, in my opinion. Note I say that because I hope that changes. I have a plan, but that'll come after GAN. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 15:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

It actually is a bad idea. Historically speaking, leaving the commented parameter in the infobox causes less disruption than removing the parameter; when that happens, new editors and readers think that the genre field was simply omitted and take it upon themselves to right the wrong. — Huntster (t @ c) 16:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Keep the note, obviously, but the parameter can be removed, is what they're saying. How can they think that when they see it's been omitted for a reason? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 16:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

If that is what épine was referring to, then I have no issue with it. I thought he was suggesting removing the entire thing. May I suggest wording it as "Please leave the genre field out: There is currently consensus against having a real genre field in the infobox, as there are too many sourced genres and this has led to edit warring." — Huntster (t @ c) 17:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done--◂ ‎épine _talk♬ 18:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Infobox genres

I think their should be infobox genres present but try to aim for generality. Something like this:

• Heavy metal
• hard rock
• gothic rock
• alternative rock

Dekai Averett (talk) 02:20, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

These observations violate WP:NOR and WP:NPOV; you are not the one who gets to choose arbitrary genres based on what you think they sound like. They aren't remotely close to the most cited genres in the "Musical style" section. Since this causes stability issues, we are not addressing this until the result of the good article nomination. There'll be something there eventually, but not this. Gothic rock will likely be part of it, but the rest have little chance. Alt rock and heavy metal aren't even cited if I recall correctly. Edit: You don't listen. You're the same one who asked before and the answer hasn't changed. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 05:48, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

*facepalm* — Huntster (t @ c) 18:36, 4 February 2018 (UTC)