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The historical/factual portion of this article is quite short for such a major figure in Chinese history. Considering my background in classical Japanese history, I understand the difficulties in representing historical figures who are known primarily from works of fiction and chronicles which, while based in fact, may exaggerate dramatically the details. Nevertheless, this article could benefit greatly from some cleanup and expansion; the fictional part seems more detailed, thorough, and better-organized than the "main" factual/historical portion. [[User:LordAmeth|LordAmeth]] 01:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
The historical/factual portion of this article is quite short for such a major figure in Chinese history. Considering my background in classical Japanese history, I understand the difficulties in representing historical figures who are known primarily from works of fiction and chronicles which, while based in fact, may exaggerate dramatically the details. Nevertheless, this article could benefit greatly from some cleanup and expansion; the fictional part seems more detailed, thorough, and better-organized than the "main" factual/historical portion. [[User:LordAmeth|LordAmeth]] 01:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


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{{{result|The result of the debate was}}} '''move''' —<span style="font: small-caps 14px times; color: red;">[[User:Mets501|Mets501]] ([[User talk:Mets501|talk]])</span> 04:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
== Requested move ==
== Requested move ==
[[Zhang Fei (Three Kingdoms)]] → [[Zhang Fei]] — Disambiguation is unnecessary because the other "Zhang Fei" has his own article in [[Chang Fei]], and the page [[Zhang Fei]] is already a redirect to the Three Kingdoms Zhang Fei. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] 15:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[[Zhang Fei (Three Kingdoms)]] → [[Zhang Fei]] — Disambiguation is unnecessary because the other "Zhang Fei" has his own article in [[Chang Fei]], and the page [[Zhang Fei]] is already a redirect to the Three Kingdoms Zhang Fei. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] 15:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Support''', in absence of a reason not to. Is there something else going on? Why wasn't this listed as an uncontroversial move? <span style="color: #F06A0F">&ndash;</span><small><span style="border: 1px solid #F06A0F">[[User:Anþony|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F"> &nbsp;Anþony&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Anþony|<span style="background-color:#F06A0F; color:white">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''', in absence of a reason not to. Is there something else going on? Why wasn't this listed as an uncontroversial move? <span style="color: #F06A0F">&ndash;</span><small><span style="border: 1px solid #F06A0F">[[User:Anþony|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F"> &nbsp;Anþony&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Anþony|<span style="background-color:#F06A0F; color:white">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::Just to play it safe, since it was originally moved from [[Zhang Fei]] to here. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] 13:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::Just to play it safe, since it was originally moved from [[Zhang Fei]] to here. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] 13:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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I've tried cleaning up this article. I'd like a second opinion before I take down the clean-up message, though.

The romance of the three kingdoms is a novel, a work of fiction which is somewhat based on historical events. Therefore, arguing about how many people zhangfei actually scared off their horse in a novel when it's written there is rather silly.


I dont know

I dont get how Zhang Fei was able to scare off more than a 1000 man army. I mean they could have gained up on him, or shot him with an arrow.

Though I must give credit to him for being so loyal to his brothers. Like the time Liu Bei was in trouble at Chang Ban, When Zhang Fei, warded off men, if he did.

The thing I think about is that if Zhang Fei wouldnt have drank so much, he would have probably would have stil live through the Battle of Fan Castle.

May we all remember the history that he made on that day in Fan Castle. Whopper 23:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Drinking

Whopper, the drinking part was only mentioned in RoTK, in reality he was most likely a sober man. Cao Wei 10:35 PM, Sunday April 16th 2006

The Zhang Bao here still links to the yellow turban Zhang Bao and not Zhang Fei's son.

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The historical/factual portion of this article is quite short for such a major figure in Chinese history. Considering my background in classical Japanese history, I understand the difficulties in representing historical figures who are known primarily from works of fiction and chronicles which, while based in fact, may exaggerate dramatically the details. Nevertheless, this article could benefit greatly from some cleanup and expansion; the fictional part seems more detailed, thorough, and better-organized than the "main" factual/historical portion. LordAmeth 01:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move —Mets501 (talk) 04:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Zhang Fei (Three Kingdoms) → Zhang Fei — Disambiguation is unnecessary because the other "Zhang Fei" has his own article in Chang Fei, and the page Zhang Fei is already a redirect to the Three Kingdoms Zhang Fei. _dk 15:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Just to play it safe, since it was originally moved from Zhang Fei to here. _dk 13:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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