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Hello, lemme know whether this (Draft:Prithviraj Productions) draft is notable or not? And what about the sources I've attached? Could you please check that? Regards ProudMallu (📨│📝) 05:39, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
ProudMallu, ther is no issue with notability or sigcov. I will accept the draft if you submit it after little bit of expansion. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 05:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Kichu, I've added more content. Is it okay now to publish? ProudMallu (📨│📝) 06:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
ProudMallu, I saw no other issues now. You can sumbit it now so that I can have a look at it. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 06:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Kichu, Submitted. Please watch. Thank you so much. ProudMallu (📨│📝) 06:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
ProudMallu, it seems there is technical issue. This article was deleted once due to notability issues and was redirected into Prithviraj Sukumaran. See [1]. Now the subject is notable and deserves an independent article. So you may dicsuss this issue with an admin or the editor who closed the [2] discussion. Im not that much experienced in dealing with situations like this. I am still learning things. When the problem is fixed, you can come to me. I will accept it. But I think there is no need for a seperate draft now when we already have a article by that name. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 07:18, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I've already placed undeletion request in the undeletion area. And they told me to create a draft on same. And the same was also discussed in Tea house 5 days ago. I got the same answer from there too ProudMallu (📨│📝) 07:22, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
They also told me that, the admin or reviewer will request for history merge in the previous redirected page. ProudMallu (📨│📝) 07:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
ProudMallu, you may please contact Oshwah. He will definetly help. I am really confused here. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 07:24, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I've send him a message. Can you please go through Priya Prakash Varrier, which was submitted by me. This same situation was happened there too. And earlier, the page was redirected to Oru Adaar Love. ProudMallu (📨│📝) 07:39, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Have a look at this and this. Thank you ProudMallu (📨│📝) 07:42, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
ProudMallu, I got it. Like I said, Im not really experienced in cases like this. Im afraid I that I might make an error. Please wait for Oshwah's reply. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 07:54, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hi there! What exactly needs to be histmerged? Prithviraj Productions to Prithviraj Sukumaran? What is it that you're trying to do? Move Draft:Prithviraj Productions to Prithviraj Productions? I just need to confirm what it is you're trying to do and what I need to do... :-) Thanks - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:14, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
This is in response to the (Draft: Brandon Shimoda) page being rejected: I could not figure out how to respond to your message to confirm that I was not paid or compensated in any way to create this page. Please let me know what else I can do to make it a more valid page. Sierrafoltz (talk) 04:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Sierrafoltz, first of all, please open a new thread while starting a new discussion. This will get archived soon at any moment. Now lets come to the point. I havent said that you were paid to create this. You have provided only 3 sources in the draft out of which, two of them are just a list of awards. Another one is a list of books published by this person. That is not sufficient to establish GNG. The subject should be covered in-depth in multiple relibale sources to have an independent article, where in this case, it clearly fails to do it. Thats why I declined it. Please provide some good sources and we can have a try. Hope you understood. Please let me know of you have any concerns. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 04:51, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
A lot of info boxes in article's talk page. How to decipher them
Hi, First of all, Thank you for accepting article - Sajan Mani. I dont edit wikipedia regularly. Wrote about Sajan. In the talk page, there are a lot of info boxes in Talk:Sajan Mani. What are the actions should I take? Could you guide me to improve the quality of the article? Wayanadan (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 07:23, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Wayanadan, I only accepted the article because Sajan has got significant coversge from reliable sources like The Hindu. But I would like to ask you one question. Are you connected to the subject or have you been paid to create it. Because an admin has expressed a concern to me and bas marked it as unreviewed, which means it has to be reviewed by a New page reviewer. So, first of all, you need to rearrange the sources in an appropriate manner. Dont put all the sources together in one place as it may be misinterpreted as WP:REFBOMB. The second point is that the tone of the article slightly refelcts like a resume. Though its not a major issue here. But you need to fix that also. You have to do these two things first and please let me know if you have any concerns. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the quick reply. I am following him and his works on social media. And I am not paid for writing this article. T will try to fix refbomb issue. I tried reading some wiki article on some random individual and used that skelton to write this article. Wayanadan (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:04, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Wayanadan, it seems you have some Conflict of Interest with the subject. Its better you declare it. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:22, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I declared it in the talk:Sajan Mani. Thank you. Wayanadan (talk)
Wayanadan, please clean up the article like I suggested or it may get nominated for AFD. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 19:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
@Kashmorwiki I added coi declaration and now it is showing its a paid article and it may delete soon. The message suggests those who edited before me might got paid for creating the article. What should I do? Previously when I wrote about CV Harris mash by referring malayalam version of wikipedia and news articles, it got approval with some grammatical correction by fellow editors. Do we can do anything like that? Wayanadan (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:11, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Wayanadan, I recommend you to go and tell the editor who has placed that tag regarding this. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello
Hello friend, I've created an article on Dev Mohan. can you please review Draft:Dev Mohan ? AbhivadhyahTalk 08:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Abhivadhyah, you are ProudMallu right. I though you were retired? Why came back just after a day? Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:55, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Proudmallu? Actually I don't get you. AbhivadhyahTalk 09:30, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Abhivadhyah, You requested for a user name change into [3]this and later requested for its deletion. Dear friend, whatever you do is stored permanently on the server. You recently made this edit [4] in the article which was accepeted by me. You can also have a look at this [5]. All these simply proves that you are the same user Proudmallu. I dont know what you are trying to do here. Quite interesting you know. I hope you are aware of our policies about using multiple accounts. But here its not the case.Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Proudmallu? Actually I don't get you. AbhivadhyahTalk 09:30, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comes to know that proudmallu changes their name to Abhivadhyah. Abhivadhyah is the subcaste of Malhotra. There is more than 2000 Abhivadhyah people are here is Kerala. And I edited Prithviraj Productions. What's wrong in that. I added few categories there? If you have any questions regarding my identity, please contact Wikipedia Administrator Or suggest me to CheckUser. Pitty on you User:Kichu... And you don't have any right to question my identity. AbhivadhyahTalk 09:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Abhivadhyah, Im not only talking about Pritviraj Productions. Both of you comes to my talk page and request to review your drafts. And this guy Proudmallu, there is already a case open at SPI where he/she is suspected by another user.Hope the socks will be caught soon. See this [6]. By the way, if you cannot be civil on my talk page. You dont need to come here. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Am I the only person who requested you to review draft? " Do you want me to review your draft" this is what you written on your userpage. I noticed it, so I approached. I'll never come to your talk page anymore. Thank you AbhivadhyahTalk 10:13, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Abhivadhyah, see this [7]. Both of your writing style looks same. [8]. It was proudmallu who requested me to review Pritviraj Production. All seems suspicious here. Did I harrassed you. I just asked and you launched personal attack against me by saying Pitty on you. I have nothing more to say. I will deal this with someone else. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:20, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- You can do what ever you want. You are the person who questions my identity first. And now, you are saying about the writing style. What I need to tell other than 'Pitty on you' here.<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"AbhivadhyahTalk 10:26, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Abhivadhyah, An experienced admin has confirmed that both of you are same persons. See [9] Now you may please go to his talk page and tell that you pitty on him. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- You can do what ever you want. You are the person who questions my identity first. And now, you are saying about the writing style. What I need to tell other than 'Pitty on you' here.<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"AbhivadhyahTalk 10:26, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Anyhow, I don't wanna go to his talk page and disrespect him. I respect what he says. Who are you man.. what do you think about yourself? pitty on you. You have only pending review rights.. and It's just like monkey with a garland. Once again Pitty on youuuuu.......... AbhivadhyahTalk 11:36, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
I don't have nothing !!! Do what ever you want f**king fool AbhivadhyahTalk 14:36, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm don't wanna continue in Wikipedia with people like you, bullshit!! AbhivadhyahTalk 14:38, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
You nominated those articles Divya S. Iyer and Prashanth Nair (IAS) just because the of this incident. Coz comes to know that you knew about those article from 2 days before. After this issue with User:ProudMallu and me, you nominated that for Deletion. People with brain can understand you motive behind that. AbhivadhyahTalk 14:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
You've such a dirty mind. Go to hell. And listen, I don't have nothing.. if I leave Wikipedia.
And, sorry admins for those words, the owner of this user page is such a devil minded person. He started the issue first (you can investigate). If you find any fault in him, kindly take down his WP rights. It's just a request. Thanking Wikipedia and respecting the Wikipedia Admins as well as bureaucrats. Thank you AbhivadhyahTalk 14:48, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
[10].It is evident who is doing such things like you just said here. Thankyou for your harrassment and wasting my time. I have another business to do here. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Haha lol, what are you saying mahn!!? You didn't understand what he meant there. He is saying about Proudmallu changed their name to Abhivadhya. Not about Abhivaadhyah. My point remains: creating the article under one username and voting here under another (however that came about) gives the impression that your vote is a neutral, unbiased one, whereas it's the article creator voting to keep their article (as would be expected). this is what he added there. You have to read that bracket too. Changing proudmallu to Abhivadhya. That what he mentioned there. Not about Abhivaadhyah. AbhivadhyahTalk 16:12, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
And that what I always repeating same sentence again and again.. pitty on you.. grow up baby... Grow up.. you are still an amul baby. AbhivadhyahTalk 16:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Abhivadhyah, I already requested you politely to leave my talk page. This is harassement at its peak. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
You are the person who torture me.. you are the person who is telling about me to everyone.. like a paradhooshana sthree.. pitty on you... AbhivadhyahTalk 16:18, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Abhivadhyah, now that you are partially blocked, I am pretty sure you might have created another account by now. My dear friend, if you are seeing this, I would like to say that, I have nothing more than just some sympathy for you. Because you did something that people with a stable mentality wont do. I wish for your speedy recovery. I dont know what pleasure you are getting when you harass other users, like you just did here. You said I tortured you. No users had said that to me for the past 8 months while I was here. In fact I'm a user who spents his entire free time here just to build a beautiful encyclopedia and I'm proud of it. I always tries to help newcomers. You can find that if you ask that to AARYA SAJAYAN. I was the person who trid to gave her a second chance while she was blocked. And I believe users like you dont deserve a second chance. Because you are not here to build encyclopedia. Please dont ever come to my talk page again if you are using another account. I dont have time to waste by talking with people like you. We have got an encyclopedia here to build friend! Bu the way, regarding that AFD nomination of two articles you created from your old account, that was basically a honeytrap, rather than AFD nom. First of all, that two articles deserved AFD nominaton for sure. But I wanted you to show up from your old account ProudMallu from which you said that you have stopped editing. You just caught the bait and showed up from it to vote as Keep. That was just a part of collecting evidence to present at the SPI. I would like to thank Toddy1 for giving me this idea firt. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 06:51, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Kashmorwiki, despite the harassment, please do not ever nominate an article at AFD to set "a honeytrap". It's abusing the deletion process to prove a point. If there is misconduct, present your case on a noticeboard or contact an admin (which you did), you don't need to play games like this to "catch" an editor. It wastes the time of other editors who participated in these AFDs. You are doing too much good work to do these stunts. Please do not repeat this, even if you are provoked. There are systems in place to handle these problems, rely on them. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 04:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Liz, you may please have look at those AFD's. Honeytrap was just another side of a coin. These two articles were declined at AFC. And this user created the exact copy. So what Im suppposed to do? I am a user who always tries to remove such articles from this encyclopedia. Basically this is not a play game to "catch" an editor. Those two definetly deserved AFD nom. So I thought, why cant I also use this opportunity for catching a sock. Thats what exactly happened. Please go through the entire set of events and my past AFD noms. Another editor has confirmed also that I was right in this case. See [11] ( Also pinging Beccaynr here). And this guy has been finally blocked for sockpuppetry. I strongly believe that this honeytrap, which I used here played a big part in catching those socks. Its not two or three socks. Its seven accounts that have been caught. More yet to come. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 06:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- For those stalkers who dont have an idea of whats going on here, have a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenix man. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 06:12, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- I somehow missed the ping, but I'm glad I decided to stalk your page. I have gone on at length in the AfDs about how I feel that they are brought in good faith, and therefore WP:NOTPOINTy, i.e.
just because someone is making a point does not mean that they are disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate that point. As a rule, editors engaging in "POINTy" behavior are making edits with which they do not actually agree, for the deliberate purpose of drawing attention and provoking opposition in the hopes of making other editors see their "point"
, and perhaps it bears mentioning here that I have !voted keep on both and I am happy to debate and discuss the merits of the articles, because I think we have a good faith difference of opinion about how to interpret the notability guidelines. I don't view these articles as particularly different from your usual pattern with regard to AfD nominations, even though they happened to help you protect Wikipedia. That may be why I interpret your phrase "something like a honeytrap" in the context of your usual conduct as an editor - you were doing what you do, and it happened to expose a problematic situation. I think the context matters, and it includes your work as an editor generally, the disclosures you made in the specific AfDs, the specific phrasing you used at ANI, and the way that notability guidelines are open to interpretation, perhaps especially for the specific articles we've been debating. From my view, just because you described the articles as "something like a honeytrap" does not undermine the good faith basis that otherwise exists for the AfD, so it seems WP:NOTPOINTy. Beccaynr (talk) 04:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC) - Thankyou Beccaynr for deeply understanding who I am and how I tries to contribute to this encyclopedia. Its really hard to accept when someone accuses you for the things that you actually dont know about. I was really frustrated when some users misinterpreted my actions. You know me very well, because both of us have participated in several AFD discussions. Despite we mutually disagree with our opinions, we always share mutual respect and thats the way things should go on. But some users take such things personally and thats where things goes in wrong direction. I had always wondered how much time you are spending to save some articles, by doing a brief WP:Before and some researchs. I am already fed up due to some real life issues. This project now plays a important part in my life and for the past few days, I almost had a bad time here too. For the first time as an editor here, I was personally harrassed by Abhivadhyah (Im glad he and his socks are blocked now). I had to entirely waste my couple of days dealing with him and his socks. Im totally tired now and needs a break. So Im planning to have a wikibreak to freshen up my mind inorder to have a fresh restart. But there are some areas which needs my attention. So I will only show up when I need to be. Once again, I thankyou for supporting me in these hard times and Im glad that you are keeping up your good work. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 06:13, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- I am glad to do what I can, and I hope you can get some good rest and recharge. I also enjoy Wikipedia very much, and there is always so much to do and learn - while I am always planning to create more articles, AfD often seems to offer so many opportunities for research and writing, and learning about the guidelines. It is clear to me that you are a dedicated editor who is here to build and protect the encyclopedia, and after seeing what you have had to go through recently, it felt important to boldly offer my support. In the meantime, I look forward to your return. Beccaynr (talk) 07:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- I somehow missed the ping, but I'm glad I decided to stalk your page. I have gone on at length in the AfDs about how I feel that they are brought in good faith, and therefore WP:NOTPOINTy, i.e.
- For those stalkers who dont have an idea of whats going on here, have a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenix man. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 06:12, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Liz, you may please have look at those AFD's. Honeytrap was just another side of a coin. These two articles were declined at AFC. And this user created the exact copy. So what Im suppposed to do? I am a user who always tries to remove such articles from this encyclopedia. Basically this is not a play game to "catch" an editor. Those two definetly deserved AFD nom. So I thought, why cant I also use this opportunity for catching a sock. Thats what exactly happened. Please go through the entire set of events and my past AFD noms. Another editor has confirmed also that I was right in this case. See [11] ( Also pinging Beccaynr here). And this guy has been finally blocked for sockpuppetry. I strongly believe that this honeytrap, which I used here played a big part in catching those socks. Its not two or three socks. Its seven accounts that have been caught. More yet to come. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 06:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Kashmorwiki, despite the harassment, please do not ever nominate an article at AFD to set "a honeytrap". It's abusing the deletion process to prove a point. If there is misconduct, present your case on a noticeboard or contact an admin (which you did), you don't need to play games like this to "catch" an editor. It wastes the time of other editors who participated in these AFDs. You are doing too much good work to do these stunts. Please do not repeat this, even if you are provoked. There are systems in place to handle these problems, rely on them. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 04:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
An Elephant for you!
The Elephant of Civility | |
Sending my support for you and your work on Wikipedia, even when we disagree. Beccaynr (talk) 23:33, 20 March 2021 (UTC) |
Thankyou Beccaynr, I really appreciate your effort to save an article. Keep up the work. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 04:57, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Draft
Hello. Please see the article - Draft:Mediacube. I have added a link detailing the history and activities of the company. This source is known in the territory of Belarus (the company is also from this country). Also according to the rules: 1) A scholarly article, a book passage, or ongoing media coverage focusing on a product or organization. This company is considered in a scientific article and has a review in authoritative media. Research Article - 1; Detailed examination of the company - 2. I ask for your help in transferring the article in the main space. Thank! Gadagasu (talk) 07:34, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Gadagasu, it still feels like an advertisement. You havent tried to reslove this issue pointed out by another reviewer. Also the sources provided in the article does not seem to be reliable. I am sorry that I cannot accept the article in the present state. Please come back to me after fixing these issues. You can ask me if there are any doubts or concerns regarding notability or anything else. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. Please tell me, the sources that I gave above are not authoritative? Publication dev.by (well-known Belarusian) examines in detail the history and activities of the company. The scientific publication also discusses the company. There are no interviews and these sources are independent. About the advertising style. I would be grateful if you can help me fix the style, it is difficult for me to do this since I speak English at an intermediate level. Thank you very much! Gadagasu (talk) 08:20, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gadagasu, you provided 15 sources out of which this[12] and [13] this seems to have given atleast any least coverage. But we need significant coverage. Also Im not convinced with the reliability of these ones. Yes they are independent, but is not giving enough sigcov and is not reliable. So I would advice you to remove all the unwanted sources so that WP:REFBOMB can be avoided and provide only the necessary ones. Dear friend, you only need to show the any 3 best sources to establish notability. And regarding the tone, if you fix these problems mentioned, I will definetly give it out a try. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that most of the sources are not authoritative or only mention the company. It looks like a link hanger. I will now delete and leave only the reliable ones. Gadagasu (talk) 08:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gadagasu, please make sure you add other reliable sources. The two I mentioned are not reliable. It also does not give any sigcov. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:43, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- I removed unnecessary sources. Added to the article dev.by and tut.by (well-known Belarusian publications: Tut.By), as well as vc.ru. Plus, the article has a source for a scientific article by the professor, where he examines the company's income, as well as its activities. Gadagasu (talk) 09:12, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is the information I managed to get from this source. This is an independent review of the history and activities of the company: an independent review of the history and activities of the company: MediaCube appeared six years ago, when TV producer and art manager Mikhail Bychenok left the Belarusian television, where he had worked since the age of 17 and devoted 10 years to it. Mikhail took the starting capital — 50 thousand dollars — from his father, a businessman in the construction industry. The money went to the equipment, the office and the first salaries of employees. According to Bychenko, there were no other investments: the company produced entertainment video content for ONT, BT, STV, including New Year's shows, made commercials and broadcasts for banks, mobile operators and retailers (one of the major projects — "Luck to Boot" for Eurotrade) and grew at the expense of revenue. Four years ago, the company won a tender to select a regional partner of YouTube in Belarus: the partner had to work with Belarusian authors, solving technical and financial issues. Having won the competition, the company became MCN (Multi-Channel Network) — one of about 300 organizations that provide assistance in managing channels on video platforms. Among them are Russian Yoola, Ukrainian Air, Canadian BroadbandTV, American Fullscreen, etc. Having received the MCN status, MediaCube entered the global market. MediaCube has more than 1,000 partner authors. About 50% are from the CIS countries (including about 100 partners from Belarus), the second largest market is Latin America. Among the clients of the Belarusian MCN YouTube-bloggers Vlad Paper (A4), Dima Maslennikov, Pleasant Ildar, Egor Creed, Sergey Lazarev. The total audience of all authors is more than 200 million people. Legally, MediaCube today is a holding company with the Belarusian parent company EmCiEn Global LLC (HTP resident, subject of the transaction with Zubr Capital) and five "daughters" - Belarusian Media Cube Production LLC and FotoVideoPro LLC, Russian Mediacube LLC, as well as Cyprus and Canada MediaCube. The sole owner of all legal entities until recently was Mikhail Bychenok, now the owners of the parent company are also listed as "Zubr Capital". MediaCube employs about 100 people, including about 10 developers, and the rest of the staff provides technical support, works with bloggers, sells, and makes content. Video products account for 10% of the revenue structure (annual revenue-from $ 10 million a year), the main part of the money comes from MCN. Gadagasu (talk) 09:17, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Also added a link to Nasha Niva magazine - 1. And I found a book where, on page 370, the activities of the company are discussed. Gadagasu (talk) 10:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gadagasu, Sorry for the late reply. Got busy with real life stuffs. I need to discuss this matter with another reviewer who is more experienced than me. Moreover, the sources are not in English. So Im not sure about the reliablity of it. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 11:14, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, Belarusian sources. dev.by and tut.by are considered serious news outlets. The book and the scientific article are also serious literature. When can I expect feedback from you? Gadagasu (talk) 11:32, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- It depends on the response from the reviewer I was talking about. I will let you know soon. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:18, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- I hope you found that the draft has been declined. You dont need to worry. Please try to make changes as per the reviewer and you can always come to me if you have any concerns. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:48, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- It depends on the response from the reviewer I was talking about. I will let you know soon. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:18, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, Belarusian sources. dev.by and tut.by are considered serious news outlets. The book and the scientific article are also serious literature. When can I expect feedback from you? Gadagasu (talk) 11:32, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gadagasu, Sorry for the late reply. Got busy with real life stuffs. I need to discuss this matter with another reviewer who is more experienced than me. Moreover, the sources are not in English. So Im not sure about the reliablity of it. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 11:14, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Also added a link to Nasha Niva magazine - 1. And I found a book where, on page 370, the activities of the company are discussed. Gadagasu (talk) 10:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is the information I managed to get from this source. This is an independent review of the history and activities of the company: an independent review of the history and activities of the company: MediaCube appeared six years ago, when TV producer and art manager Mikhail Bychenok left the Belarusian television, where he had worked since the age of 17 and devoted 10 years to it. Mikhail took the starting capital — 50 thousand dollars — from his father, a businessman in the construction industry. The money went to the equipment, the office and the first salaries of employees. According to Bychenko, there were no other investments: the company produced entertainment video content for ONT, BT, STV, including New Year's shows, made commercials and broadcasts for banks, mobile operators and retailers (one of the major projects — "Luck to Boot" for Eurotrade) and grew at the expense of revenue. Four years ago, the company won a tender to select a regional partner of YouTube in Belarus: the partner had to work with Belarusian authors, solving technical and financial issues. Having won the competition, the company became MCN (Multi-Channel Network) — one of about 300 organizations that provide assistance in managing channels on video platforms. Among them are Russian Yoola, Ukrainian Air, Canadian BroadbandTV, American Fullscreen, etc. Having received the MCN status, MediaCube entered the global market. MediaCube has more than 1,000 partner authors. About 50% are from the CIS countries (including about 100 partners from Belarus), the second largest market is Latin America. Among the clients of the Belarusian MCN YouTube-bloggers Vlad Paper (A4), Dima Maslennikov, Pleasant Ildar, Egor Creed, Sergey Lazarev. The total audience of all authors is more than 200 million people. Legally, MediaCube today is a holding company with the Belarusian parent company EmCiEn Global LLC (HTP resident, subject of the transaction with Zubr Capital) and five "daughters" - Belarusian Media Cube Production LLC and FotoVideoPro LLC, Russian Mediacube LLC, as well as Cyprus and Canada MediaCube. The sole owner of all legal entities until recently was Mikhail Bychenok, now the owners of the parent company are also listed as "Zubr Capital". MediaCube employs about 100 people, including about 10 developers, and the rest of the staff provides technical support, works with bloggers, sells, and makes content. Video products account for 10% of the revenue structure (annual revenue-from $ 10 million a year), the main part of the money comes from MCN. Gadagasu (talk) 09:17, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- I removed unnecessary sources. Added to the article dev.by and tut.by (well-known Belarusian publications: Tut.By), as well as vc.ru. Plus, the article has a source for a scientific article by the professor, where he examines the company's income, as well as its activities. Gadagasu (talk) 09:12, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gadagasu, please make sure you add other reliable sources. The two I mentioned are not reliable. It also does not give any sigcov. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:43, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that most of the sources are not authoritative or only mention the company. It looks like a link hanger. I will now delete and leave only the reliable ones. Gadagasu (talk) 08:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gadagasu, you provided 15 sources out of which this[12] and [13] this seems to have given atleast any least coverage. But we need significant coverage. Also Im not convinced with the reliability of these ones. Yes they are independent, but is not giving enough sigcov and is not reliable. So I would advice you to remove all the unwanted sources so that WP:REFBOMB can be avoided and provide only the necessary ones. Dear friend, you only need to show the any 3 best sources to establish notability. And regarding the tone, if you fix these problems mentioned, I will definetly give it out a try. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
That was a response
Some people attack me on a organised manner that's why I tried to react on same manner on some pages they contribute. I am not a main contributer on politics. Normally I always try to contribute more on non political sessions. If you feel, I tried to attack any political party. That's your own opinion. It was me faced attack. I lost all my patience that's why I did that. Vasucrossroads (talk) 10:41, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Vasucrossroads, I havent said that you tried to attack any political parties. I just gave you a warning [14] As, I'm a rollbacker and member of counter vandalism unit, its my duty to warn users, who cause disruption. More over,Im not the only person who warned you. These examples proves that [15] [16] [17] [18]. So please behave here by keeping our policies and guidlines in your mind. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 11:10, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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Hi,
Hope you are doing well.
I'm currently working on a page [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bhartiya_Group_(Conglomerate) ] and in spite of trying multiple times to make the content up to the standard, it keeps getting rejected. Yes, moderators (and you) have provided comments that my content sounds promotional but it would be great if you could highlight what exact points do not fit Wikipedia. That will help me to rectify my mistakes.
Thank you. Imdavid21 (talk) 16:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Imdavid21, I did not day its promotional. What I said was it almost looks like an advertisement. The draft is written from the viewpoint of the company, focusing on what the company says about itself, meaning its basically just an advertisement. I dont have any objections with the reliablity of the sources in the draft. But its tone is not suitable for this encyclopedia. Please have a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. I alsostrongly advice you to have a look at the articles about other companies/corporates and remodify this draft accordingly. If you do so,this may get accepeted next time. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:55, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind guidance. I have made changes to the draft as per the guidelines. Kindly take a look at it and let me know if it is fit for submission again.
Thank you. Imdavid21 (talk) 19:59, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Please don't leave
You recently announced that you were taking a wikibreak due to feeling discouraged about Wikipedia. Please stay, I want you to keep going. Best, -Cupper52Discuss! 21:20, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is a place which is beautified by editors like you. Come back soon. ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 07:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Cupper52 and AafiOnMobile, Im glad that to see that users like you are there to give the motivation for me in these hard times. It was also so hard these two days without wikipedia and I understood how much I love this project. Some users were also requesting for my help in some areas and I found out that I should be back. Two days are not enough to have a good break. Anyway Im happy now, feels so freshened up and is ready to go. Much love and respect for you guys. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Submission declined on 17 March 2021 - Draft Pawan Kumar Joshi
Dear Kashmorwiki,
Greetings.
I am writing this message to you in reference to the post that you had left on the article that I had written on Pawan Kumar Joshi. Let me start by thanking you for reviewing my article promptly and also leaving a note which gave me a better understanding as to why the article was declined.
I have read the hyperlinks that you had posted on the note. While writing my article I have tried to use reliable sources like famous websites or websites that are visited frequently by users. This article is about an Indian footballer who was not much in the news, therefore, I could not get any website links which mentioned he has signed for that particular club, but there are articles in the paper which shows either he is in the team or scored a goal or played a match for the team. These articles were written for the club he played for rather than himself. So there is only a line mentioned on him. Please let me know whether referencing these articles were the problem ?
I have come up with a solution, I am thinking to remove all paragraphs from the article and just keep the paragraph of Sudeva FC. Because I have solid links (I league website) to support that paragraph ? Will this be okay ? (But again, these links will be showing he is in the starting 11, or been substituted.)
Once again I thank you for reviewing my article and also looking forward to hear from you regarding the same.
Thanks in advance for all the help ! Much love !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballgini (talk • contribs) 08:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Footballgini, Im sorry for the late reply. I was on a wikibreak. This player is actually notable as he has made 3 appearances in I League. But unfortunately, there are no sources to prove that and I declined the draft just to avoid the backlog and to let you know that, reliable source need to be shown to establish his notability. If you can show me any reliable sources to prove that he has made some appearances, I can easily accept this draft. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you Kichu for your reply. I hope you are feeling good after your wikibreak. Its good to see you back .
Let me know if his player profile in ESPN [1] can be considered as a reliable source. The profile in ESPN mentions the matches he has started and also the match where he was used as a substitute. Moreover, if need be I can provide links from goal.com where the starting line up is mentioned for a particular match. I am also attaching a link from goal.com for a match between Aizwal FC and Sudeva FC where the starting line up is mentioned. He plays in defense and his jersey number is 2. [2] Once again I would like to thank you for taking some time out for this matter.
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Footballgini, I think ESPN is a reliable one if Im right. Anyway I need to confirm it. I will let you know. And if you have source from soccerway, yoi dont need anything else! Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
I have his player profile from Soccerway [3](stating his total appearances in I-league) Does this help ? I have attached the link for your reference. Thanks ! 10:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Footballgini (talk)Footballgini
Hello, Kichu
Hello Kichu what happened???? Please don't leave Wikipedia. Wikipedia needs understanding, caring and kind editors like you. And if you are quiting Wikipedia who will guide me. Please don't feel demotivated there are so many things to do in Wikipedia and almost Wiki is not perfect it needs sincere editors to always patrol and check on it's pages for revertion, updation and all the other stuff. Look at my case itself I am writing my exams for my Mtech in Kothamanagalam currently, I am finding time for Wikipedi. Atleast 2 hours a day. My IQ levels have boosted so much after being in wiki...🤣🤣🤣 I am again requesting to you to not quit Wikipedia. You will get busy about something or the other over here. I'm here just because of you so please don't leave this platform.... Thanks AARYA SAJAYAN (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- AARYA SAJAYAN, Thank you for giving some love and motivation while I was in a hard situation. First of all let me tell you a thing. As of now, I have no plans of leaving this project. There is a correction in one of your sentence. I understood that I need wikipedia more than it needs me. :). I just wanted to take a short break so that I can freshen up my mind and this two days break seems to have done that. I am glad that you are enjoying your time here. All the best for your exams and when it is over, I would love to see you spending more time here. And I wish we meet together in real life in the near future. Im happy than always and much love for you. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Wiki break
breaks are good for health :-) Dont stare at your laptop/mobile for too long :D Come back fresh and keep some of the strong emotions aside. It helps! Best! Vikram Vincent 17:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Vincentvikram, thankyou for your support. I could not hold much long without any editing and came back as soon as possible as I can:). I also feels much relaxed now. I hope I can do much better from now on. Now lets argue against each other in some AFD's:) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- LOL thanks for the offer :-) Real life is way more exciting than the online world ;-) Vikram Vincent 13:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome back, Kichu!!! Beccaynr (talk) 15:39, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you dear Beccaynr. I thought I would be gone for a long time, but just found that I am a person who need wikipedia more than it needs me!! I'm eagerly waiting to get involved with you in AFD's :). Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- I am glad that you are feeling better, and I think we will have to agree to disagree about how much Wikipedia needs you ;-) See you at AfD! Beccaynr (talk) 16:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you dear Beccaynr. I thought I would be gone for a long time, but just found that I am a person who need wikipedia more than it needs me!! I'm eagerly waiting to get involved with you in AFD's :). Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'd say Wikipedia needs us ;-) so much cruft to clean up and so little time :D Vikram Vincent 13:13, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Definetely Vikram. So much amount of thrashes exist here (mainly some politicians and some educational institutions) and thats the main reason I came back so fast. I wanna make this encyclopedia neat and clean. I also reviwed a huge load of Wikiproject India related drafts submiitted at AFC, thus clearing the heavy backlog. Only a few them were moved into mainspace. Still some more articles exist there, which I am unable to review due to my less experience in some areas. It would be really great if somebody like you with some experience at AFD also joins the project. You have 90 percent success rate at AFD discussions whereas mine is 86. Im still wondering why you are not applying for the membership. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 14:24, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hahaha maybe I'm cherry-picking articles that are truly bad while you are working on more difficult ones. BTW I think both Shuchi and Sindhu pages should have closed with no-consensus. They were held to a benchmark that was above average. Plus, I like improving articles rather than simply deleting them. It is only if I find they are not salvageable that I nominate them for AFD. Vikram Vincent 15:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- I was also slighly surprised about Sindhu Joy. I thought it would be relisted for more consensus. By the way I would love to hear a straight forward answer from you regarding my suggestion of you joining AFC :). Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- BTW my indenting is based on my reply to your msg right at the top and not to Beccaynr. I'll consider AFC once my priority work list offline clears up. I'm working on some thinking skills related programmes and this was one such by-product https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vincentvikram/Always_keep_context_in_mind_when_arguing_claims Vikram Vincent 15:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Vincentvikram, I had already read this essay written by you and hope that it will be published soon. It is pretty good actually and I wish you all the best. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- BTW my indenting is based on my reply to your msg right at the top and not to Beccaynr. I'll consider AFC once my priority work list offline clears up. I'm working on some thinking skills related programmes and this was one such by-product https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vincentvikram/Always_keep_context_in_mind_when_arguing_claims Vikram Vincent 15:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- I was also slighly surprised about Sindhu Joy. I thought it would be relisted for more consensus. By the way I would love to hear a straight forward answer from you regarding my suggestion of you joining AFC :). Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hahaha maybe I'm cherry-picking articles that are truly bad while you are working on more difficult ones. BTW I think both Shuchi and Sindhu pages should have closed with no-consensus. They were held to a benchmark that was above average. Plus, I like improving articles rather than simply deleting them. It is only if I find they are not salvageable that I nominate them for AFD. Vikram Vincent 15:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Confusion regarding recent-ish decline
Hi Kichu. This is a bit belated, but I was wondering what your reasoning behind this decline was. I figure this was either an accidental decline, or you felt it was promotional, which is not the case here as this is a defunct company. Perryprog (talk) 15:29, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello Perryprog, it was not promotional one and it was not an accident. In my view, the draft almost came under the seventh criteria listed under WP:NOTGENEALOGY. Thats why I declined it. It did not felt like an encyclopedic content. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, any reason why this draft was rejected? By the way, I'm neither the creator of the draft nor the person who submitted it, but I still feel that it should be accepted. It is actually in a much better condition than most other articles in Category:National association football team results. Nehme1499 18:35, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Nehme1499, there is no issue with the quality of the draft. But it presently have only the result of 7 matches which in my opinion is too short to have an independent article. So I thought, let the draft remain there while the Italy women's national team play some more matches and we can later move it into the mainspace. Do you have any other opinions? And if the draft had match reports of all the 7 matches, there was a chance I wwould have accepted it. Regards.Kichu🐘 Need any help? 18:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Still, it should be made public in my opinion. One match, seven, or 200 is irrelevant, it is still presenting accurate information (matches from 2020 to present), and will potentially keep growing to have dozens of games. By the way, each match is sourced with its match report (see the ref. column at the end). Nehme1499 19:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Nehme1499, so are you saying that if a team has only played one game in 10 years between 2020-2030 (just imagine), there should be an article for that? With all due respect to your opinion, I cannot agree with your logic. We cannot have an independent articles like this if it does not have enough context. Moreover, this draft is just a list of results. What I referring was the match reports which includes the main events in that match and not just list of results like this. And yes, this list will potentially grow. That is why I said let the team play some games and this can be moved into mainspace at appropriate time. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 19:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Obviously the year range would have to be adapted: if they have played 1 game between 2020 and 2030 but, say, 50 between 2010 and 2020, that game should be included in an article titled (2010-present). Also, these are list articles: why would we need to describe each game in detail? What would we do with Scotland national football team results (1872–1914) then? Describe all 113 games in detail? Nehme1499 20:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- You migh want to have a look at this India national football team results (2010–2019). The complete matches of Indian team during this 10 year period have been described in detail. And in the case of India national football team results (2020–2029), only one match has been played so far like you said. But the complete schedule till september has been written in detail as much as possible, so it does not seems to be so short. In the case of Scotland national football team results (1872–1914), it dates back to matches played around 150 years back. So is it possible to get the completed details during that time.? It is 2021 now and when we create an article like this, try to make it with the minimum required details so that the readers can get a better idea abou this. Thats the reason why I mainly declined it. If it is resubmitted after making the required changes, I will definetly accept it. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 03:17, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just to add my two cents here. I agree that the article needs more context but I disagree with what you mean by context. Context does not mean every match in detail, that would be WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Context means additional prose at the start of the list to explain what the Italy women's national football team is, the competitions they compete in and an overview of the results during the period. There has also been extensive discussion about the use of football box templates in these articles and it has been agreed here, here and here as well as this featured list nomination that a table should be used as it fits with MOS:LIST and WP:WHENTABLE. Hope that helps. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Stevie fae Scotland, thanks a lot for passing me this. These things will definetly help me to assess such articles in the near future. Once again, thankyou for this. Should I modify my comment in that draft? Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Happy to help. Yeah, I think modifying the comment would help clarify what is needed to get the article into mainspace. Thanks. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 12:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Stevie fae Scotland , I have pinged you there for expert opinion. Can you help me there? Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- I will do. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 12:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Stevie fae Scotland , I have pinged you there for expert opinion. Can you help me there? Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Happy to help. Yeah, I think modifying the comment would help clarify what is needed to get the article into mainspace. Thanks. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 12:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Stevie fae Scotland, thanks a lot for passing me this. These things will definetly help me to assess such articles in the near future. Once again, thankyou for this. Should I modify my comment in that draft? Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just to add my two cents here. I agree that the article needs more context but I disagree with what you mean by context. Context does not mean every match in detail, that would be WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Context means additional prose at the start of the list to explain what the Italy women's national football team is, the competitions they compete in and an overview of the results during the period. There has also been extensive discussion about the use of football box templates in these articles and it has been agreed here, here and here as well as this featured list nomination that a table should be used as it fits with MOS:LIST and WP:WHENTABLE. Hope that helps. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- You migh want to have a look at this India national football team results (2010–2019). The complete matches of Indian team during this 10 year period have been described in detail. And in the case of India national football team results (2020–2029), only one match has been played so far like you said. But the complete schedule till september has been written in detail as much as possible, so it does not seems to be so short. In the case of Scotland national football team results (1872–1914), it dates back to matches played around 150 years back. So is it possible to get the completed details during that time.? It is 2021 now and when we create an article like this, try to make it with the minimum required details so that the readers can get a better idea abou this. Thats the reason why I mainly declined it. If it is resubmitted after making the required changes, I will definetly accept it. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 03:17, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Obviously the year range would have to be adapted: if they have played 1 game between 2020 and 2030 but, say, 50 between 2010 and 2020, that game should be included in an article titled (2010-present). Also, these are list articles: why would we need to describe each game in detail? What would we do with Scotland national football team results (1872–1914) then? Describe all 113 games in detail? Nehme1499 20:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Nehme1499, so are you saying that if a team has only played one game in 10 years between 2020-2030 (just imagine), there should be an article for that? With all due respect to your opinion, I cannot agree with your logic. We cannot have an independent articles like this if it does not have enough context. Moreover, this draft is just a list of results. What I referring was the match reports which includes the main events in that match and not just list of results like this. And yes, this list will potentially grow. That is why I said let the team play some games and this can be moved into mainspace at appropriate time. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 19:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Still, it should be made public in my opinion. One match, seven, or 200 is irrelevant, it is still presenting accurate information (matches from 2020 to present), and will potentially keep growing to have dozens of games. By the way, each match is sourced with its match report (see the ref. column at the end). Nehme1499 19:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Declining submission of Draft:Divya Gokulnath
Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia, joined few days ago. Can I have your help to expand this article? Thanks in advance YogeshWarahTalk 13:25, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Yogeshwarah. Welcome to wikipedia. Im sorry I cannot help you in this case because Im not familiar with the subject. You may ask for some help at teahouse. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's ok! I've expanded the article with the help of Beccaynr. Please have a look. Regards YogeshWarahTalk 14:30, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Kichu, have a look at this Sivagiri Sree Narayana Senior Secondary School. I think the article fails GNG. No sources provided except this. This should go through AfD, right? YogeshWarahTalk 04:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yogeshwarah, first of all, do a WP:Before in both English and Malayalam (if you know Malayalam). If no sources are there, you may nominate it for AFD. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 04:24, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Kichu, have a look at this Sivagiri Sree Narayana Senior Secondary School. I think the article fails GNG. No sources provided except this. This should go through AfD, right? YogeshWarahTalk 04:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Anubrato Mandol
Hi, I am TTP1233, creator of this page. I read the reason why this article submission was declined. But I don't think this is an appropriate reason. There are many references which are reliable and independent sources. Also the article has NPOV. The Telegraph, Times of India, Indian Express, The Statesman are the main reliable sources which are independent. I would request you to inspect the draft again. Check the source verified if you think that there is a additional sources needed, please mark it as {{cn}}. After further review please inform me that whether is anything needed or not. After that I will do the necessary actions. I hope you will do your duty soonest. With best wishes.--TTP1233 (talk) 15:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hello TTP1233, this draft was declined because the subject is only the district president of a political party who fails WP:BASIC. He has been neither elected as an MP or MLA or not even in any local body. So in that case, he must satisfy the general WP:GNG criteria and this person clearly fails it. Just being mentioned in some relibale and independent sources doesnt make anyone notable. The subject should have significant coverage also, where in this case, this person dont have. You might wanna have a look at WP:NPOL as well. By the way, I believe I am doing my duties well and please let me know if you have any concerns regarding this draft.Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Means a politician even if he is local party politician or big level politician, can't be considered as notable unless he would have MP or MLA. A similar example of this exists here. Biman Bose. A state politician. Anyways, this person never wants to be elected member of any legislature, even if you don't believe. Can you give me suggestions how can I make this draft better. Just for short he is notable as a general politician in West Bengal and he is famous by his thoughts which sometimes negative but made this famous in election sessions like Prasant Kishore, an IT cell manager generally known for Indian general elections and state elections. Please help me...!--TTP1233 (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- TTP1233, I know you are disappointed because of the draft got declined. Dont be upset. This encyclopedia works on the policy that inorder for a subject to have an independent article, it should pass GNG. The reasons like he is famous by his thoughts have no value here unless you provide reliable sources. A politician passes GNG if he/she is elected as an MLA or MP by virtue of WP:NPOL. But for other politicians like this, they must satisfy the general GNG criteria if they are not elected. If you can provide atleast one reliblae source, which gives this person the in-depth coverage (about his life, career and achievements in a biogrophical manner) or multiple sources combined giving this coverage, I might be able to help you. And regarding the other article you showed, you may nominate it for AFD if you feel it fails GNG. As an AFC reviewer, my only duty is to check whether the draft is ready to be moved into mainspace, and dont need to be concerned about similiar other articles. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thnx for help.TTP1233 (talk) 16:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- TTP1233, I know you are disappointed because of the draft got declined. Dont be upset. This encyclopedia works on the policy that inorder for a subject to have an independent article, it should pass GNG. The reasons like he is famous by his thoughts have no value here unless you provide reliable sources. A politician passes GNG if he/she is elected as an MLA or MP by virtue of WP:NPOL. But for other politicians like this, they must satisfy the general GNG criteria if they are not elected. If you can provide atleast one reliblae source, which gives this person the in-depth coverage (about his life, career and achievements in a biogrophical manner) or multiple sources combined giving this coverage, I might be able to help you. And regarding the other article you showed, you may nominate it for AFD if you feel it fails GNG. As an AFC reviewer, my only duty is to check whether the draft is ready to be moved into mainspace, and dont need to be concerned about similiar other articles. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Means a politician even if he is local party politician or big level politician, can't be considered as notable unless he would have MP or MLA. A similar example of this exists here. Biman Bose. A state politician. Anyways, this person never wants to be elected member of any legislature, even if you don't believe. Can you give me suggestions how can I make this draft better. Just for short he is notable as a general politician in West Bengal and he is famous by his thoughts which sometimes negative but made this famous in election sessions like Prasant Kishore, an IT cell manager generally known for Indian general elections and state elections. Please help me...!--TTP1233 (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hello TTP1233, this draft was declined because the subject is only the district president of a political party who fails WP:BASIC. He has been neither elected as an MP or MLA or not even in any local body. So in that case, he must satisfy the general WP:GNG criteria and this person clearly fails it. Just being mentioned in some relibale and independent sources doesnt make anyone notable. The subject should have significant coverage also, where in this case, this person dont have. You might wanna have a look at WP:NPOL as well. By the way, I believe I am doing my duties well and please let me know if you have any concerns regarding this draft.Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
TTP1233, the source from quint is just giving some incidential coverage. But the second source seems quite good. It is giving some coverage to the subject. But the problem is that many of the articles of such local politicians have been deleted in the past. I have concerns whethere this will survive at AFD. Have a looo at this [21]. A similiar article like this was deleted at AFD. Beccaynr, this source [22] seems fine. Your thoughts regarding this submission? And by the way, you dont need to call anyone sir or madam:) Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 01:08, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm this will work. I will add it in my draft. Then I will remove certain references which had improper format. What do you think? Thnx for helping me to for this situation.TTP1233 (talk) 02:54, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- If you think that article is just for single event, it is wrong. Since 2013 he played an important factor in big election sessions in West Bengal. Check a bunch of some sources on [23]. Though it will not work but it will be helpful I think. I am waiting for your final decision what should I do. As per your direction, I will do the needful action immediately. I have less time.TTP1233 (talk) 03:36, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm this will work. I will add it in my draft. Then I will remove certain references which had improper format. What do you think? Thnx for helping me to for this situation.TTP1233 (talk) 02:54, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- I am reminded of the Sindhu Joy AfD, but I am also concerned about so many Times of India references in the Controversy section, because per WP:TOI,
The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It tends to have a bias in favor of the Indian government
, and especially for an article about a politician, that seems problematic. Also, as a more general matter, I think it is helpful for BLPs to have a Career section, with a focus on accomplishments, and typically for the article to begin with an Early life and education section. Without this kind of content, the focus on the Controversy seems disproportionate per WP:PROPORTION, because it is currently the largest section of the article. Beccaynr (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)- TTP1233, I think you must ask for an expert opinion at Wikiproject Indian politics. There are some editors who are more experienced than me. This will definetly help. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 05:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Why are the sources not reliable and what should I do to make them reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelPackBrewGuy (talk • contribs) 15:05, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Why My Article was Declined
Hello Kashmorwiki,
I am confused about what is wrong with my sources, and why they are not reliable. I say this not because I think that they are the best sources ever, but because some articles like Eagles-Washington only have 1 source, and at least in my opinion it is just as reliable as mine. Could you please tell me the issues with my sources, but before you do I would like you to check the article of Eagles-Washington rivalry and some other articles just to make sure that we are on the same page.
MichaelPackBrewGuy (talk) 15:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello MichaelPackBrewGuy, the problem with Draft:Green Bay Packers vs. New York Giants is that the sources you provided are just a bunch of list of results of the games between these two teams. That is not sufficient to establish notability. The article must have atleast one reliable source, giving enough significant coverage between the rivalry between these two teams. Please provide such kind of source (like this [24]) and I will try my best to accept the draft for you. The rest seems fine. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello Kashmorwiki,
Can you give me advice on what kind of source I need to add?
MichaelPackBrewGuy (talk) 15:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- MichaelPackBrewGuy, see this one by BR [25]. This is giving lot of coverage of the rivarly between these two teams. We need sources like that. What you provided are just some results and most of of them are not saying that these two are rivals. The people who follow these games might know about this great rivalry. But some people from east like me, who dont follow American football dont have the idea about these things. So how will we verify that this rivalry actually exist.? That is the reason why this encyclopedia works on the basis of verifiability. You must provide the sources to verify these things that you wrote in the article. I hope you will find them and will add it into the draft. Please come to me after that and we can have a look at it. Wishing all the best. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello Kashmorwiki,
Thank you for the source! I guess I understand that most of my sources are just about the games. I just want to make sure that if I add this final source that the article will be submitted.
MichaelPackBrewGuy (talk) 15:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Dear friend MichaelPackBrewGuy, I just showed you an example. This source alone is not sufficient for GNG. You need to add more sources. Then the article might pass. I dont have an idea about American football. Otherwise,I would have helped you finding sources. I reviewed because this draft showed up at Wikiproject football, which is actually for association football. I recommend you to seek help from other users at Wikipedia:WikiProject American football Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello Kashmorwiki,
Oh, Okay. I have seen other sources that I am not positive if they work or not. Can you check these, https://www.packers.com/news/point-counterpoint-are-the-giants-the-packers-new-rival-8887885 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1023719-giants-packers-storied-playoff-history I hope that if these sources are fine that the article may be submitted. I still am a little confused why an article like Eagles-Washington would be submitted, but I will do whatever I can to get my article submitted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelPackBrewGuy (talk • contribs) 15:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello Kashmorwiki,
Yeah, that was my fault that it landed in the soccer category. I was typing out football and I thought I got the right thing, but I realized later that it ended up being soccer. I just didn't know how to delete it.
MichaelPackBrewGuy (talk) 16:02, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- MichaelPackBrewGuy, The sources you added seems fine, but no so good. Like I said, I had no intention to review this draft. But when it got showed up at association football category, where Im an expert,I picked it. When I went through the sources in your draft just out of curiosity, I found they were just some results from the matches, so I declined it logically. In reality, I have zero knowledge about American football, so I recommend you to ask for some help from an experienced member of Wikiproject American football. Try to improve the draft and come to me, then I will have a look. Im really sorry I cannot review this draft at the present moment. You are almost there. You just need to do some more work. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Article Declined
Hi, this article has been declined Draft:Shadab_Siddiqui by you, can you tell me why you declined the article? the singer and filmmaker is passing on the notability and has been featured in almost all Indian newspapers and news websites such as Times of India and Hindustan Times as a director. He is passing WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC can you tell me which article you think is bad? leaving some of the links for you to check.
ANI News is a Indian number 1 news channel who has been talking about Shadab Siddiquihttps://www.aninews.in/news/business/chandan-saxena-gearing-up-for-the-release-of-his-new-song-pal-pal20190716144430/ https://www.zee5.com/zee5news/reem-abhishek-nigam-featuring-music-video-tum-bin-directed-by-shadab-siddiqui-is-out-now https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/photography-has-always-fascinated-me-says-director-shadab-siddiqui/articleshow/79368391.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by Static Hash (talk • contribs) 17:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Static Hash, yes he has been feautured in these reputed sources. But none of them is giving him the enough in-depth coverage to establish WP:GNG like you said. Regarding WP:NMUSIC, there are 12 criterias under which a subject can come in and I dont think this person is coming under any of it. WP:NMUSIC also says that the
Works consisting merely of trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings are not considered to establish GNG
. Most of the sources you provided here comes under this. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 17:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, he has done three films Gulmakai, Where is Najeeb and Jai Shree Ram indian film, all are having significant coverage of him.
https://www.cinetalkers.com/gul-makai-movie-review-too-many-flaws-ruins-the-otherwise-inspirational-story-on-the-silver-screen/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/movie-reviews/gul-makai/movie-review/73775845.cms https://hindi.news18.com/news/entertainment/youtube-ajaz-khan-new-song-pal-pal-went-viral-on-social-media-3320031.html https://www.business-standard.com/content/press-releases-ani/reem-abhishek-nigam-featuring-music-video-tum-bin-directed-by-shadab-siddiqui-is-out-now-121030300793_1.html http://muslimmirror.com/eng/short-film-where-is-najeeb-to-be-released-on-26th-jan/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Static Hash (talk • contribs) 17:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Static Hash, you should have given these sources in the draft itself rather than showing it here. An AFC reviewer will only analyse the sources given in the article. Even though I still dont these sources are sufficient to pass GNG. The following is my analysis of these sources.
- This[26] is about the movie, not about this person.
- This[27] is also the same.
- This[28] is basically about the song
- This[29] is also about a release of a song.
- This[30] is about a movie.
I hope you are clear. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 17:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Héctor Suazo
According to Soccerway, yes, he has. GiantSnowman 07:09, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
On its final works.Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, Soccerway is considered reliable and widely used. GiantSnowman 09:17, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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Thank you for reviewing an article I added. Not sure why you determined that the sources are not enough. Would you kindly help me out? The page was created for filmmaker Ziad H Hamzeh. Many thanks, Bash — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bash1997 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Bash1997, the sources you provided are some movie reviews and all. None of them is giving the enough significant coverage to the subject to establish WP:GNG. Please add some sources which gives independent coverage to the subject. Then it may pass. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 04:50, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello!!!
Kichu, I wanted to ask about the discretionary sanctions notification that I received. Was it because I had asked an enquiry in the talk page of a sensitive issue (I had enquired about the neutrality of th article about Love Jihad)???. I am not able to understand the "Discretionary Sanctions". Please help...Thanks AARYA SAJAYAN (talk) 08:40, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Aarya, if you meant this [31], there is no issue if you share your opinion in the talk page in an appropriate manner. The notice you recieved clearly says that It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date. So its just for giving you a precaution. Because topics related to religion and all are very sensitive and you have to be careful while dealing with them. If you make any major changes to such articles, its very important that you provide the best reliable sources available. This notice is given to all the users like you who shows interest in such articles. You dont need to worry. Like I said, this is just a precautionary notice. Keep up your work, contribute to this encyclopedia the best way you can, learn things slowly and help the new users. Happy editing. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:03, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks very much Kichu!!! I was worried what was happening... AARYA SAJAYAN (talk) 09:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Draft: Vidar Halldorsson
Hello! My draft has been returned for not meeting the standards, which I understand is normal. But I want to understand what specifically is the matter. Another user pointed to me, for instance, that on regards of Dr. Viðar's book, I should use footnotes that refer to peer review of his research (I haven't gotten around to that yet, but it should be easy). But I wonder if there's anything else that "jumps to your eyes" as out of place, so I can work on that. Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MMilanezi (talk • contribs) 09:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- MMilanezi, the only major problem in that draft is that the person is not getting enough significant coverage to have an article of his own. This is one of the core policies of this encyclopedia. I kindly request you to have a look at WP:GNG, understand the policies and modify the draft according to that. Let me know if you have any concerns. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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- ^ https://www.goal.com/en-in/match/aizawl-v-sudeva/lineups/1l2sxwfm5v9z8s5tusfil75sk
- ^ https://int.soccerway.com/players/pawan-kumar-joshi/685334/