Talk:Mitochondrial Eve
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"234 kya"
The article has been pretty much slaughtered since 2009. The "234 kya" estimate was left over without any indication where it originated. It turns out it was derived from a detailed review of the estimates available in 2009,[1] summarized as
- "There are various estimates given for when Mitochondrial Eve lived, ranging between 234,000 years ago and 82,000 years before present(BP), with the majority of estimates clustered between 160,000 and 200,000 BP" (from page 82 "Supplemental Data", mmc1.pdf Soares et al. (2009); see Results, p. 897; Table 3, p.898 of Endicott & Ho (2008))
It is inadmissible to throw out these specific references and just retain "234 kya" without any kind of citation. Anyway, the studies from 2012/13 seem to favour 160 kya, so I am citing this for now.--dab (𒁳) 10:22, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- I misread that. The 2009 studies has "150-234 kya", and the 2013 study has "99-148 kya". I.e. the CIs do not even overlap. An explanation is needed for this (rather than just saying "ca. 150 kya" because this is where the conflicting CIs happen to meet). Also, this duplicates the scope of Macro-haplogroup L (mtDNA), it would be easier to maintain only one page with a topic as complex as this one. --dab (𒁳) 11:22, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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X-chromasome Adam or x-Chromasome Noah
If the naming of the most recent common ancestor were to strictly follow Biblical terminology, the male counterpart of mitochondrial Eve would be x-chromasome Noah. While the Bible reports that 4 females with possibly 4 different mitochondreal heritiges survived the flood, all of the males were either Noah or his sons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:244:0:1148:CD12:3B40:6137:AC08 (talk) 00:21, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
- You're assuming that Noah's wives weren't promiscuous. Given this uncertainty, I argue for Adam! Klbrain (talk) 22:28, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Y chromosome Adam has nothing to do with the Adam or Noah, the name is just a metaphor he was not the only human in existence or the first one. RIHKARRDOH (talk) 19:50, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Capitalization
I noticed that the capitalization of the m in the phrase "Mitochondrial Eve" has been inconsistent throughout the article. I changed several of these in the sections I was reading, but haven't been able to proofread the entire article. Feel free to change any others you see. Aristophanes68 (talk) 23:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
What about Paternal mtDNA transmission?
Perhaps it merits at least some mention here - possibly with the remark that it's thought to be too rare to change the picture significantly? --95.42.25.28 (talk) 04:15, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Including more research
There are a variety of studies who bring in another perspective to the ones mentionned in the article, these studies have been published and recognized by a number of scientists. I would like the opinion of an editor with a genetics education background to incorporate those views in the article properly. The articles: Carter, Criswell, & Sanford ICC.indd, calibrating the mitochondrial clock, In light of genetics . It seems , in these articles, that the hypothesis suggested to estimate the 200 000 years of age still have some points of contention. Notably in the the number of 'mutations' happening in every generations. These mutations seems to be within a wide range depending on which study is read, with some saying the rate of mutation means a 200 000 years of time, others saying that would be 20 times more than they have observed in their samples. The study ' the eve mitochondrial consensus sequence' had a sample of 800 genetic sequences, and cannot be simply dismissed as an 'exception'... Excluding the debate over the origin of Mitochondrial Eve and Adam and Eve, the facts brought by those articles , among others, seem to be science-based and worth mentionning. What is particularly interesting is the study of the genomes itself. I would need the opinion of said editor to determine the other points of contention worth mentioning. Emli89 (talk) 19:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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