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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by B.Andersohn (talk | contribs) at 16:14, 20 December 2022 (→Religious affiliation). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Former good articleRalph Nader was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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January 13, 2006Good article nomineeListed
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July 19, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
March 18, 2008Good article reassessmentDelisted
In the news A news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on February 23, 2004.
Current status: Delisted good article

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List of organizations Nader has helped found

I saw this list in a version of this article from 2004:

I am not sure if they all qualify as notable, but I’ll be checking all of them. Thriley (talk) 18:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personality and character traits

hello i have a question concerning the entire part of "Personality and character traits"

the question is the following: what?

and i also may add: why?

if you try to describe -for whatever reason and with what ever relevance- a person in 3 sentences, thats framing not scrutiny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.100.35.1 (talk) 11:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are 5 independent, secondary sources for this section. None of those sources seem to be writing in a particularly sensationalist or tabloid gossip style. It would seem to be of note that Nader eschews riches, fashion, wealth, and their trappings, along with marriage and family life. This is rather counter-cultural of him and reinforces his message of activism. Elizium23 (talk) 22:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Religious affiliation

There is a source which says Ralph's parents were Lebanese Maronites. The biography of Archimandrite Bassilios, Ralph's uncle, mentions both Antiochian Orthodox and Syrian Orthodox churches, but not Maronite. It would not be surprising for immigrants of that era to sort of fluidly attend parishes in different jurisdictions.

The Syrian Orthodox communion is Oriental Orthodox and would be closely allied with Maronites, while the Antiochan Greek Orthodox would be Eastern Orthodox; ethnically close but, in terms of doctrine and liturgy, separate. Elizium23 (talk) 18:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@B.Andersohn: if you're using info about Ralph's uncle to infer something about Ralph's own religious faith, then that's WP:SYNTH. Elizium23 (talk) 18:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@B.Andersohn: Seconding Elizium23 here; there is absolutely no information on Ralph Nader in that source your provided that states he was Antiochian Orthodox. Sometimes there are mixed Lebanese families, and reliable sourcing asserts him as explicitly Maronite. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:51, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ Elizium23, @ Pbritti "a sort of fluidly re attending parishes in different jurisdictions"!! I'm at loss for words here... You clearly have no knowledge of the issue at hand...

The "Syrian Orthodox communions are Oriental Orthodox Christians and would be closely allied with Maronites"... maybe, BUT the Antiochian Greek Orthodox commuity is not "Oriental", unlike e.g. "Syriacs" or "Chaldeans" or even "Armenian Apostolics" etc.

Ralph Nader's community is actually "Eastern Orthodox" like the e.g. Greeks or Russians etc. You're confusing "Oriental" and "Eastern" Christianity here

Nader's community is also called the Greco-Roman "Meklite" Communion of Syria, Lebanon & Upper Galilee (old-fashioned, comprehensive name), and it has absolutely nothing to do with the Maronite Church ("Oriental Catholics") or the "Oriental Orthodox" Christians of Northern Syria or Eastern Turkey etc

Once again, you're totally confused

The article published by the Antiochian Greek Orthodox Church of America says that Ralph Nader's FATHER was a man named Nathra Nader Saffi, from a small village called Arsoun.

And that Nader Sr. counted many Greek-Orthodox priests and bishops in his family, including his own brother!

Finally, ALL French, American, and Bristish ethnographers of the early 20th C. describe Arsoun's Christians as being "of the Greek faith" or "Antiochian Greek Orthodox". You can check ....

@B.Andersohn: Yes, but if Ralph Nader is specifically described as a Maronite in reliable sources, you can't just say that's wrong because you have sources that describe other people as Antiochian Orthodox. Per WP:RS, your edit will be undone and the sources you deleted returned unless you can provide other sources that specifically describe Nader—not his family, not his ancestral hometown, but the man himself—as something other than Maronite. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ Elizium23, @ Pbritti The Time magazine article you seem to rely on is clearly mistaken... But, on a different plane, why are you saying that particular article is more "realiable" than the DETAILED obituaries of several of Ralph Nader's family members = published by the Antiochian Greek Orthodox Church of America? The "logic" is hard to comprehend!! All that being said, I will also look for another article etc

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