User talk:M.nelson/Archive 1

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Archive 2

Naples waste management issues

My rationale is the exact same as before; it is not in following with the WP:MOS of Wikipedia. What goes on, on the other languages is their business and their different guidelines. However we are on the English Wikipedia. Also the section which you are attempting to give undue weight, against the WP:Recentism policy is already linked within the article during the part on its recent history. On this basis, I would revert an edit which would introduce undue weight.

The subject now has its very own article with all the information pertaining to it, where people such as yourself if you wish can write on it until their heart is content without messing up the correct MOS of the city guideline. - 02:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Well first of all, the article is not featured status in its "native language". People in Italy speak Italian not Spanish. Second of all, as I explained different languages on Wikipedia have different standards. What might pass on the Spanish Wikipedia might not pass on the English Wikipedia. Other parts of Wikipedia can't be used for rationale on such issues, in cases such as that comparisons are made to other Encyclopedia's and what weight is given, for example Encyclopædia Britannica or Encarta. I suggest you read the guidelines which I pointed out to gain a better understanding of the standards and weight distribution. Thanks. - Gennarous (talk) 03:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

You are ignoring the guidelines which I have pointed out to you, which answers your questions in depth. Take the time to read WP:MOS and WP:Recentism. If you can't be bothered to read these then there is no point discussing with you because the questions you ask are already discussed in there. Policy is policy. Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference for Wikipedia, this is also policy. Compare, as I suggested the weight given to said subject in Encyclopædia Britannica or Encarta to find quality expectations Wikipedia has to reach. Adding a "recentism" tag does not solve the problem, it only serves to make the article ugly. Tackling the problem is removing the recentism as it is already linked within the article in its appropriate place in following with WP:MOS.

An equivelent example, would be you going to the London article and starting up a section titled "7 July 2005 London bombings". In articles of such historic cities, undue weight on such issues sticks out as blatant recentism. And so in the article on London the terrorist attack is mentioned in passing in the "history" section with a link to its indepth, topic specific article. In the Naples article the waste management issue is mentioned in passing in the "history" section with a link to its indepth, topic specific article. - Gennarous (talk) 03:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

"In addition", it appears as though you are an American making far fetched and bluntly, out of place personal assumptions. How does somebody exactly go about "putting in a better light" articles relating to subjects which for centuries were the epicentre of western civilisation and its development? - Gennarous (talk) 04:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I understand the concern that the waste management issue is recent (or at least that the growing concern over it is), but I think it is imperative to keep at least small section on the Naples page to direct people to the individual article about it. Its current placement in the history section does not seem right, given that "history" would imply the problem is a thing of the past. The point of Wikipedia, I believe, is to inform people! Whatever style guidelines are being argued, I would have to say I find the removal of information of this nature to be unacceptable. - mcclth (talk) 21:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome

Hey there, Welcome to wikipedia. I saw your userpage comment :-). You could start out with telling us what you do and what you would like to do at wikipedia, your interests etc. You could also have some userboxes to help you out. Hope you enjoy, Muhammad(talk) 19:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I also welcome you, and having only just noticed your message on my talk page, I updated the heptadecagon animation today. Jonathan48 (talk) 06:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

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Moby Dick

Mr Nelson, Hello yes I took leave of my senses for a while and replaced rosetta@home with moby dick. Pretty childish but I think I achieved something. Some things in life are pointless but they make us smile, perhaps the smile gives the action validity. Happy holidays. Willarveschoug (talk) 21:37, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I Swear

yo. fix stuff about I Swear and I Swear (N-Dubz song). thx bro 137.122.79.188 (talk) 02:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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Mace and Mailer

Hi,

I don't really understand why you removed the mention of Mailer in this article.

Could you explain your point of view more precisely ?

Thanks.

DocteurCosmos (talk) 12:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

RBI

I have a question: How is run batted in, by far the primary topic? It isn't even used outside the Americas. Please respond at Talk:RBI (disambiguation)#Run Batted In --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Bike For Three!

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I've brought it back from the dead, at Bike for Three!. :) Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of More Heart Than Brains

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Third-party sources were cited, so that prevents it from being speedied. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The MacNeil / Lehrer NewsHour

This can be fixed with a G6, since it was a controversial move. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 20:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Parkwood Hills

Hi. Please could you kindly help me with your local knowledge? I am in the UK and have no local knowledge of Ottawa whatsoever. I was asked by some regular residents of Parkwood Hills to re-start the page for them, which I have done to the best of my somewhat basic ability. They were not involved in the previous 2007 deletion, by the way. They were to have taken over from thereon, but are currently too busy to do so, which leaves me temporarily stranded and attempting to continue with this page until they can do it properly in the summer.

So I should be most grateful if you could please kindly help by adding what you can to the infobox - as you see it's very small as my knowledge of local govt and postcodes is sparse. (The rest of the page I'll struggle on with as best I can, until the locals find it and start contributing).

Please inform me of any reply on my talk page. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 17:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Hi M.Nelson - thanks for the message, and for finding someone who might contribute to the page. I look forward to reading what they have to say - in fact, after researching the place, I'd quite like to see it, now. Cheers and thanks again.--Storye book (talk) 23:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Commercial Street Sweeper Article

M.nelson – I understand that you removed a contribution to the Wikipedia site on commercial street sweeper that we submitted based on: “probable copyright vio”. The information was taken from and credited to a 1962 book entitled “The Sweep of Time” by William A. Richman and commissioned by the original founders of the Elgin Sweeper Company – which dates back to 1912 (first product offered for sale in 1914). Images provided of the Patents for the design of this early street sweeper are dated 1917 and are considered the historic documents of Elgin Sweeper Company.--nadachi (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC).

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Remain in Light

There is no MOS proviso for or against italic titles. It came up in a FAC discussion and I also heavily enquired some of the bigwigs. Until you provide such regulations, I will put it back. RB88 (T) 14:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Rafablu88#Remain in Light italic title. -M.Nelson (talk) 15:57, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I doubt we're gonna make any inroads. The discussion seems to always go down the route of "But it's ugly" and then "That's what they said about new Facebook". To me, it looks more professional if the title follows the style as it appears in the text. Many encyclopaedias are now doing it. But I'd go along with any formal decision. Although to be honest, since we're overly democratic, we're always going to get the same 14-year-olds discussing the same pointless for and against, unless Jimmy Wales changes MOS himself. RB88 (T) 16:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Rafablu88#Remain in Light italic title. -M.Nelson (talk) 19:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

That's the thing though. "Common use". It doesn't say you're forbidden to use them in other pages. The discussions I had concluded that it's up to the editor's discretion to use or not use since MOS is not 100% explicit due to the no consensus. RB88 (T) 07:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Rafablu88#Remain in Light italic title. -M.Nelson (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

We're going round in circles now like every time this comes up.

*"I would argue that as there is no "special case" for album titles (whereas there is a "special case" for Flora), it should not be used." = Your opinion, not MOS, or my opinion, or consensus.

*"As for "common use", regardless of whether italics are used or not, all article titles (of the same type) should be consistent. If italics were to be used on album titles, then it should of course be done for all album titles; this would classify it as a "common use", which above states it is not." = Misrepresentation of advice which says "currently its only common use is for taxonomic genera and species" and nothing about common use within a group or the albums group. Finally, majority does not make something right. You, me, and the universe don't know if album articles would have all been written in italics or not as the received way should the technology have existed at Wikipedia's advent.

As it stands, the title is staying in italics unless MOS is against it or there is total consensus. RB88 (T) 15:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Politics of Gatineau Park

Thank you for wading in. - Ahunt (talk) 00:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note - your presence and input there are a great help! - Ahunt (talk) 12:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

COI

Thanks for all your work on the article and the COI note. If you read through Talk:Gatineau Park you will see a previous discussion I had with this user (as various similar IPs) where he denies all COI, but gives his e-mail address. He pretty much outed his real life identity there. - Ahunt (talk) 19:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Glad that you thought that was appropriate. I am pursuing getting some "adult supervision" for that page as well. - Ahunt (talk) 00:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

3RR

I am sorry that it has had to come to that. IP socks are next. - Ahunt (talk) 15:46, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Master of Science

Hello. You added a {{globalize}} template to Master of Science. It'd be helpful if you could indicate what you feel the main issues are, and how they could be resolved or addressed. -- Nicholas Jackson (talk) 00:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Nicholas Jackson#Re: Master of Science. -M.Nelson (talk) 01:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

You might be interested in this

Uninvited, but very welcome, an admin showed up over at Talk:New Woodlands Preservation League‎, an adjunct article to Politics of Gatineau Park. You may want to have a look. - Ahunt (talk) 14:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I figured your midterms were to blame. Your previous contributions were very helpful, you have a great technical knowledge of Wiki-procedures and policies! - Ahunt (talk) 17:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of New Woodlands Preservation League

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AfD nomination of Gatineau Park Protection Committee

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Thank you for cross-referencing the two AfDs - I should have done that, but these were only my second and third AfDs, so I am still a bit new to the procedures. I try not to be a deletionist! - Ahunt (talk) 16:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. As far as I know they have to proceed as two different debates, although I expect that they will be similar in arguments made in both cases. - Ahunt (talk) 17:59, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Politics of Gatineau Park

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Congratulations! - Ahunt (talk) 00:25, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

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Pavilion

I shouldn't have commented as much as I did on the noticeboard, but further to what I said there, it's a slippery slope to make such redirects/amalgamations; quite often with Alexis Creek and Alkali Lake and such reseves sharing that same name are nowhere near the named community (some are, though); Pavilion No. 1A is across the river in West Pavilion (aka Blueridge), while Pavilion includes the Marble Canyon reserves and others; but it also includes large non-native landholdings, namely two of the oldest ranches in BC. Where it gets to be a slippery slope is with Lillooet Indian Reserve No. 1 or Lytton Indian Reserve No. 1, which flank on the towns named in t heir titles but are separate entities from the municipalities; in Lillooet's case also flanking town are the Pashilequa IRs (of the Cayoose Creek band) and the Bridge River reserves (Bridge River Indian Reserve No. 1 being the largest, and also including areas far from Lillooet - it's a very large reserve). Ditto Williams Lake Indian Reserve No. 1, aka "Sugarcane" which is right by the City of Williams Lake...but not part of it....Care has to be taken with such mergers/redirects.Skookum1 (talk) 18:19, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

also the Kamloops Indian Reserve and many others (the Kamloops IR is fully withing hte boundaries of the City of Kamloops, but not part of it...); I wanted to add that I've been placing the IR category ("First Nations reserves in British Columbia", which I've been trying to get renamed for a while...) on the IR redirects, not on the target article, which in many cases is wholly inappropriate, as with places which have more than just an FN component to their geography/population....Skookum1 (talk) 18:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

CKLI-FM

Do you have a source for the information you inserted in this edit, claiming that this small unlicensed LPFM has been on-air since 2002? By all indications, "Mix 91.9 Ottawa" was a short-lived operation shut down in the first few weeks. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 18:27, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

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