Talk:War of 1812
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Hartford Convention
I purchased a new book, just to have an additional source. So for your consideration:
15. Twenty-six delegates attended. They had been chosen by the legislatures of Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island; by the New Hampshire counties of Grafton and Cheshire; and by the county of Windham in Vermont. George Cabot of Massachusetts was chosen president and Theodore Dwight of Connecticut secretary. Leaders like Otis and Cabot excluded Federalist firebrands from the meeting. Otis and Cabot did not want to secede from the Union, nor did any other delegate. They wanted to express grievances and threaten future, more radical conventions, but they also wanted to preserve the Union. The convention lasted three weeks, from December 15 to January 5. As befitted a group who fancied that because of their wealth, education, and virtue, they were wiser than other citizens, their meetings were held in secret. On January 6 the convention issued a report for the public. It announced that
Daughan, George C. 1812 (pp. 368-369). Basic Books. Kindle Edition.
the delegates were commissioned to devise means for defense against “dangers” and to obtain relief from “oppressions proceeding from acts of their own government, without violating constitutional principles or disappointing the hopes of a suffering and injured people.” Theodore Dwight wrote many years later that “the expectation of those who apprehended the report would contain sentiments of a seditious, if not a treasonable character, were entirely disappointed.... Equally free was it from advancing doctrines which had a tendency to destroy the union of the states. On the contrary, it breathed an ardent attachment to the integrity of the republic. Its temper was mild, its tone moderate, and its sentiments were liberal and patriotic.” Looking at the report, it was hard to disagree with Dwight.
Daughan, George C. 1812 (p. 369). Basic Books. Kindle Edition. [-- Tirronan] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tirronan (talk • contribs) 04:21, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
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As of 11-17-2022 many/most of the dates of things leading up to the War of 1812 are stated as being in the 1930s. Somebody please correct the dates. 172.76.158.250 (talk) 21:33, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- Already done https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=War_of_1812&type=revision&diff=1122490378&oldid=1122478334 Cannolis (talk) 21:45, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
The American killed in action
the American killed in action is listed at 2,200 which is completely false. The source is Warfare and Armed Conflicts: A Statistical Encyclopedia of Casualty and Other Figures which is known to be a terrible book filled with inaccuracies. If you tally American killed on all the pages on Wikipedia as well as other engagements not on Wikipedia the number comes to around 3,300. Bernner (talk) 18:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
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