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Welcome!

Hello, Tanaats, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Hi

Hi, Tanaats, sorry to be buffeting you at Transcendental Meditation. You carry on, I'll be back some other time. Bishonen | talk 01:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I don't like edit warring

I'm sorry that i've changed a number of things you've done. But you aren't following Wikipedia guidelines. You need to support your statements with sources. I feel like you're in too much of a hurry to change everything. I've been working very cautiously and gradually. And I've been trying my best to follow the guidelines. I've been trying to work harmoniously with other editors. It would be great if we could discuss, as the guidelines require in the case of a disputed article, rather than just plowing through and editing stuff. TimidGuy 01:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like I made a good point. How can philosophical conject be pseudoscience when it doesn't purport to be science and doesn't involve research. OK, begging you to discuss. And throwing in a pretty please.

Also, I noticed you changed some spellings to British. Do you know if there's a guideline that applies to variant spellings between British and American?TimidGuy 02:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. My mistake. It's Bishonen using British spellings. Sorry about that.TimidGuy 02:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like edit warring either

Sorry, I didn't realize you were out there correcting things, I'm new to this. Are you an official editor?

No. Sethie explained it well. I'm just a beggar pleading for you to appear on the Talk page. Thanks for doing so. : ) TimidGuy 11:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome

Timidguy is just like you and me, editors here... we're all official editors, seeking concensus on writing articles together.

Just FYI the TM article has been through A LOT. I have been contributing to it for, my God over a year now. It is a constant work in progress.

Since it is a page that has had some heated edit wars, and arguements, my request of you (which I also make of me or anyone who works a lot on the page) is twofold: 1) Proceede slowly! and 2) To disucss significant changes on the talk page before making them. [[1]]. Timidguy is a pro at this, he has been slowly working on the article for the last four or five months and if you look through the archives, he documents, and discusses a lot of his big changes before he makes them.

Regardless, welcome to wikipedia, and I'll see ya on the TM page. peace Sethie 02:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Be bold

No need to apologize for anything. Some of the other rules are "assume good faith" and "be bold". The TM article was a big battleground so people are a little anxious about it. -THB 00:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your post on the talk page

Wow Tanaats.... responding to your post where you talk about discociation and not being able to study....

TM is a mystery to me... my sense of it (mostly from the research I've been doing) is that for some people it does a lot of damage, and for some people it really helps them!?

Such is life. Glad you're ok now! be well, Sethie 01:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for "disgruntled"

Hi, Tanaats. Please accept my apology for using the word "disgruntled" in reference to Denaro. Your point was excellent. And some of your other points, too.

It saddens me that you've had some bad experiences on TTC, etc. (I never made it to TTC myself. I wonder how it would have affected me.) TimidGuy 21:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page deletions

When you made this edit you accidentally deleted other comments.[2] That may be becasue you were editing the whole page, rather than just a section. Meanwhile other editors were adding material to other sections, and when you saved your version it overwrote those additions. It's best to just edit one section at a time, rather than the whole page, on busy talk pages. Cheers, -Will Beback · † · 22:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When you want to start a new section the easiest way is to use the "post a comment" button. It'll show up as the "+" sign near the top of the page. Cheers, -Will Beback · † · 02:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, to edit the intro you'll have to edit the whole page. -Will Beback · † · 00:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops

Note you inadvertently deleted a large swath of text:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Transcendental_Meditation&diff=92307800&oldid=92302924

I pointed it out to Will, and he was able to easily restore it.TimidGuy 22:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dang, I see now that Will already pointed it out. Sorry.TimidGuy 22:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Tanaats, for your post on my Talk page regarding this. User Sfacets did exactly the same thing a couple weeks ago -- only in that case he deleted two weeks worth of discussion!TimidGuy 15:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you remember me

We had a chat conversation. Andries 22:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! I'm really sorry, but I don't remember! I guess my memory is going as I grow older. :) Please remind me, was it an email conversation? Tanaats 23:05, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, chat. A family member lived in your city remember? Andries 15:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, no, I don't. How well did we get along? Tanaats 16:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do you want me to tell you where you live? :) No, I will not do that, though I remember. Andries 17:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We went along well. You explained me how "hopping" by TM students works. Editing controversial subjects in Wikipedia is often a battle, though it should not be like that. Andries 17:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I made a newbie mistake. Once I realized that there was a solid impasse and that further discussion was absolutely futile, I should have gone to DR instead of getting involved in a debate that was obviously useless. All I managed to accomplish was to clutter up the Talk page. I won't do that again. Despite having battled perhaps the most incredibly dangerous "NRM" for years, Tilman still keeps a sense of humor, and I should learn to keep mine.
I notice, though, that Jossi has changed the first sentence of the article. Whazzup with that? Tanaats 17:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In your email you said that people had regretted leaking their personal information on their talk pages. What experience have those people had that led to the regret? Tanaats 18:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nasty phone calls. And e-mails to employers, I believe. Andries 18:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks. Yes, I'm not in the TM world anymore. Tanaats 18:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article splits

Good job to both you and TimidGuy on splitting off or moving information to other articles from the previously overlong TM article, it's really looking good! Size is down from 52kb to 45kb! The spun articles look great!

I know this may be confusing, but I have one suggestion on using the "main article" tag. The main article in these cases are the ones that were spun off from TM, (e.g. Maharishi Sthapatya Veda), so you could have a summary section of that article in the TM article that has the "main article" reference, and create a "See also" section in the main article - which you may not even need with the TM Navagation Template that you put in.

If the spun article is too short to summarize, it might be better to just leave out the main article summary from the TM article, and add a "see also" there too. Excellent work, both of you! Dreadlocke ☥ 05:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Featured Article Venus is a good example of using main article tags. If you look at the section Surface geology, you can see that it is a summary of the main article Geology of Venus. That'll probably be a lot clearer than my confusing suggestion above...;) Dreadlocke ☥ 05:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dreadlocke! I'll work on it as soon as the Margaret Singer article dies down a bit. :) Tanaats 21:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Dreadlock, for your occasonal presence in the TM article, for the guidance you've given me, and for your suggestions here. To my mind, the TM article is somewhat different from the Venus example, in that the surface geology and geology of Venus sections are more directly related to the topic, and these sections are handled well in order to orchestrate the information so that it's readable and at the same time leads to more detail. It's very nicely done. In the case of TM, these seem to be separate topics rather than more detail about a single topic (in this case, TM). I'd be inclined to just have the sort of summary that Tanaats put in.TimidGuy 12:58, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

~~~ has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:User:Cowman109/Smile2}} or {{subst:User:Cowman109/Smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

  • Thanks for your support and kind words. It is at times exhausting and so hurtful to edit Wikipedia when your opinion does not conform to that of certain editors and administrators. It's nice to know that my attempts to edit within sourced citations is appreciated by some. Yours, Smeelgova 06:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]
Aww, thanks! Your smile gave me a great big smile of my own! That was a very nice thing for you to do.
Yes, I'm still exhausted from my adventures at Anti-Cult Movement. I still haven't started dispute resolution yet. I'll have to get cracking on it. :)
Thanks again! Tanaats 16:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Userboxes

These are the other userboxes you might like if you liked the other one from my userpage.
  • "User:Feureau/UserBox/freespeech"
  • "user incl"
(you will have to add the "{" brackets to either side (instead of quotes), as well as signing yourself up on the appropriate lists of membership. (For these two, as they are Wikipedia Projects, you can sign up as well as a member.) I have responded to your other question on my talkpage. Hope that helps. Smeelgova 10:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Thank you

Hi, Tanaats. Thank you for being so gracious and kind in response to Olive's initial attempts to contribute to Wikipedia.TimidGuy 12:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks TimidGuy. Being so new to this myself, it was hard to watch her initial thrashings without helping a bit.  :) Tanaats 18:48, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

File:Resilient-silver.png The Resilient Barnstar
For your ability to improve from criticisms, never letting your mistakes or blunders impede your growth as a Wikipedian. Happy New Year ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Jossi! Much of my WP education has come from your feedback and from watching you on the articles. You have a happy New Year too! Tanaats 17:34, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reflist

I'm learning too. An immediate advantage of {reflist} it that it uses smaller type. A second advantage, which I haven't used yet, is that it can be made to use two (or more) columns easily. {reflist|2}. -Will Beback · † · 18:15, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Thanks, Will. Tanaats 18:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My compliments

As I've looked at recent edits on several articles in the last few days, I've noticed that most of yours are well-considered and genuinely beneficial to the articles in question. There've been several that I disagreed with, and in commenting on talk pages I sometimes use humor that is meant to be lighthearted and amusing for whomever should read it. I hope you won't take offense at any such comment in the past or in the future. Again, I value the great majority of your edits, and I find you (so far at least, in our brief contact) to be cooperative and easy to work with. This is not always the case on controversial subjects; there is one other editor that I find dificult and highly myopic, and unintentionally offensive. Be that as it may, I thought I'd leave a positive note. Happy New Year. -DoctorW 18:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, DoctorW. I have quickly come to respect you as an editor, and as a really new editor myself your complement means a lot to me. Happy New Year to you too! Tanaats 18:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit to Occam's Razor

It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Occam's Razor (House episode). Please be careful not to remove content from Wikipedia without a valid reason, which you should specify in the edit summary or on the article's talk page. Thank you.
Blindman shady 04:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was a really bad screwup, my sincere apologies. Tanaats 04:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If I may ask, what happened or might have driven you to make that edit?

Blindman shady 04:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is my first try on RC Patrol. I'm using User:Lupin/Anti-vandal tool. I wasn't paying enough attention and hit the wrong Rollback link. I'll check three times before hitting that link in future! Again, my most sincere apologies. Tanaats 04:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SVG??

Is it possible to upload SVG files, and have wiki automatically convert it on the fly to png? If so how do I do this, when I tried to upload an SVG it said it was not a recommended format, I did not see a way to force it to go. I noticed in the uploaded files area you have a couple that are .svg.png. --Green-Dragon 06:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I don't know why it says that. I've only uploaded one file, and it was a jpeg. Sorry that I can't help Tanaats 06:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SVG??

Is it possible to upload SVG files, and have wiki automatically convert it on the fly to png? If so how do I do this, when I tried to upload an SVG it said it was not a recommended format, I did not see a way to force it to go. I noticed in the uploaded files area you have a couple that are .svg.png. Anyway, please resond on my user-talk page. Thanks. --Green-Dragon 06:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Black - Caley

Have you seen Ian Black play. His irractic and life endagering challenges on Dunfermline and Rangers players, show he is an actual fucking nutter. He was when he played for the Blackburn youth team and he still is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.3.104.27 (talk) 23:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Subst

When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:test}} instead of {{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. Happy editing and vandalfighting. Rettetast 00:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Thanks for the tip! Tanaats 00:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

vandal fighting

Do us a favour will you please? Only report vandalism that occurs after a warning. Many vandals vandalise only once or twice then go away. No need for admin action when that is the case. Cheers Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 00:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. I really thought that I was only reporting people who had a "blatantvandal" or "test4" already on their pages. If I understand you then I have reported someone who didn't? If so I apologize and I'll be more careful. Or are you saying that I misunderstand the whole thing entirely and that I'm repeatedly screwing up? I'll stop until I understand. Thanks. Tanaats 00:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
here for example you added the blatent vandal template but then immediately reported them here. If you check thier contributions you will see that they only vandalised twice - probably someone testing us out. You need to allow 3 or 4 mins between the time the warning was added and the time for the last vandalism to ensure that they hace had time to read the warning and then vandalise again. I would usually only block someone who has vandalised more than 3 or 4 times, even then I usually try and turn them around first, many good wikipedia editors experimented first. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 07:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I understand now. It doesn't say any of this on WP:RCP. I appreciate your taking the time to explain this to me. Thanks. Tanaats 14:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)...[reply]
Thanks for letting me know. I've edited the section on vandalism to make it a little clearer. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Brainwashing

Thanks for the positive reinforcement! :) --Masamage 04:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

Sorry

Questions re RCP

Hi. Thanks again for the earlier help with RCP templates. I would like to ask you a couple of questions...

  • At WP:RCP it says not to report vandalism to Admins unless the vandalism has occured "soon" after a final warning. How long do you consider "soon"?
  • If the vandalism is no longer "soon" do I start over with "test1"?
  • What are your criteria for issuing a "blatantvandal" warning?

Thanks! Tanaats 20:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tough questions there Tanaats, but I'll try to answer as best as I can. What "soon" wil mean will foremost depend on if its a IP or a user account that is vandalising. If an account has gotten warnings before, "soon" will be longer since you know it is the same person vandalising, and maybe up to a week since the last warning acording to WP:AIV.(check if there is good edits from the account though) For an IP you don't know that it is the same person vandalisning since it could be shared by several users. When warning IPs I would start over if there were not any warnings in the last hour or so, but if it's for example the same article that is beeing vandalised you have a good indication it is the same person and you may push it some more.
I realy dont use the blatantvandal-warning much. I find that most people stop vandalising after getting a test1, because they realise that they are watched. It is realy important to let newcomers try to edit, and it is better to use test1 and point them to the sandbox than yell at them. There is now need to bite the newcomers. There is exceptions though but you'll have to set your own standards, but my recomodation is to use the blatantvandal-warning with caution. By the way you can instead of using {{subst:blatantvandal}}, use {{subst:bv}} which is much shorter to type out. Rettetast 22:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that is all quite useful Tanaats 22:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

That wasn't a test edit it was a legitimate one 76.178.95.219 05:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. It's very hard to tell. Kids are all over the place slapping "gay" onto pages. Happy editing. Tanaats 05:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles

Hello Tanaats, For several reasons, I will no longer be editing some of the articles we have been collaborating on. Mainly, I found the tension of editing these articles a bit too much to bear, and prefer to edit other articles about which there is less controversy. After all, we edit WP to derive some kind of enjoyment, aren't we? So, have fun editing these articles (which are off my watchlist as of yesterday), and if you ever need a second pair of eyes on an article, drop me a line in talk. Happy editing. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 18:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jossi. Thanks for letting me know.
I know what you mean. I've had to gradually but significantly adjust my attitude to the whole thing in order not to get too stressed out. I'll cut back too myself too if I can't keep a low stress level since there is more to life than WP.
Yes, editing should be enjoyable rather than a burden.
I'll definitely drop you a line if I need help. I greatly respect your knowledge and experience on WP. I've learned a lot from you. Thanks for that! Tanaats 18:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to contact me any time. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TM=organization

Hi, Tanaats. I'm kind of in a hurry and don't have time to check in on the TM discussion, but wanted to stop by here to appreciate your solution to the TM as organization issue. It's intelligent, well crafted, and sensitive to the issues. Thank you much. I hope we can do an RfC regarding trademark. If it goes against us, then your solution is very good. TimidGuy 22:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, TimidGuy, I'm glad you like it. Yes, we can certainly wait until we see how an RfC turns out. Tanaats 22:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!TimidGuy 12:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RfC re Hassan

Hello, just a quick note. I think it was a little premature to post the RfC, the issue has barely been discussed. You say you have the references to support it, so as I suggested - post them! --Insider201283 21:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for coming here to discuss it. It's not you, it's DrW. He made his edit before the discussion had had a chance to either resolve things or else to deadlock. He has shoved that same change in several times before, so it is useless to continue the discussion with him. Perhaps I shouldn't have implied that "Insider insists", sorry if that misrepresented your position, since you are indeed willing to continue to discuss. Please do correct me in your comment to the RfC. Tanaats 21:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Tanaats, I didn't apply the changes to the mentioned article. I have a proxy server running, probably someone using my proxy applied the changes. I turned it off, sorry for the inconvenience.

Ok, thanks for letting me know. Tanaats 04:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate your defending against Michaelbusch vandalism

Hi, Tanaats. Thank you for the instances, recently and in the past, in which you defend against unwarranted changes -- even though those changes may accord with your point of view. I appreciate your integrity. I'll try to do the same. TimidGuy 12:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, TimidGuy, and thanks for saying that. Tanaats 13:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't vandalize

What are you talking about? Don't vandalize? I didn't vandalize anything Fagbottoms.

Maybe I screwed up, but I went to doublecheck and can't find a user name "Fagbottoms". Please sign all comments on talk pages with four tildes. Tanaats 21:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:LittleOldMe...

Is at least a part-time vandal who also deletes warnings from his user page, in case you didn't catch it. I don't recall specifically why I'm watching him, but I'm sure it goes back to some other vandalism. Wahkeenah 00:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll put a watch on his talk page. Maybe I can catch him at something. :) Tanaats 01:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism?

You've just wiped off all my work on Boredoms discography!!! Why don't you actually check what I've done before you accuse me of vandalism? I have no idea how to revert it either. Powelldinho 02:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but replacing "[[Image:Osorezan.JPG|100px|Osorezan no Stooges Kyo The Stooges Craze in Osorezan*]" with "|Anal By Anal", plus a second edit similarly introducing the word "anal" and having no perceptible relationship to the words it replaced, sure look like vandalism. My mistake. Since you don't know how to revert my revert, I have done it. Tanaats 02:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've also taken the mistaken warning off your Talk page. Tanaats 02:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
S'alright, got it sorted now. I suppose album titles with "anal" in the title rarely help in these situations. Powelldinho 03:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad you've got it back to where you want it. Yes, "anal" triggers vandalism-detecting software. I do think about it before dropping the hammer but made the wrong call this time. What I should have done when I saw that you weren't an anon was to look at your userpage. I would have seen that you were quite an experienced contributor and I would have backed off. I'll do that sort of checking in future. Hopefully you won't have further problems like this one. Tanaats 03:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure...

Excuse me, I don't normally edit Wikipedia, normally I just come on to look things up, but I changed some things that I thought were wrong and then got a message from you saying that I had vandalized the site. This may just be because of my inexperience (I didn't even know you could have an account on Wikipedia. I didn't even know I had one! Do I have one? *is confused*) but I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. Could you please tell me exactly what was wrong so that I won't make that mistake in the future? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.77.121.208 (talk) 02:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Still not sure...but a little more knowledgable

Yes, this is the same person who left the 'I'm not quite sure' message, I just wanted you to know that I do have an account now. And I'm still not sure what I did wrong. So...yeah. XD Wolfofevil 02:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't do anything wrong. You changed "Fu-Chi" to "Fukkie" on Fuyuki Hinata. "Fukkie" is on the list of words that are commonly inserted by vandals, and is therefore a word that triggers vandal-detection software. You were an "anonymous user" (which you aren't anymore), and this was your very first edit. So you fit the "profile" of a numerous breed of vandals who wander onto Wikipedia as anonymous users and start inserting vulgarities.
Sorry that this was your first experience on Wikipedia. Just carry on and continue making your contributions. And welcome!Tanaats 02:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

as weird as it sounds the definition to green line as a sexual possition is no joke... i mean i'm not sure of a way to put it up properly since i am not used to adding things to wiki but i can assure you that this is not just made up nonsense. if you dont believe me come to central massachusetts and ask someone.

Vandelism

This is the IT staff this address, please let us know what page was vandalized so we can track down who did it. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.61.185.10 (talk) 14:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

You're welcome

Tanaats -- You are certainly welcome...But I don't think I responded to the Steven Hassan RfC, although I have been involved as a responder to the RfCs on Transcendental Meditation and Cult apologist. Regardless, you're welcome, and thank you for your note on my talk page. -- Pastordavid 05:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding 3RR

Yes, your take on the 3RR is correct. My advice: avoid edit warring if at all possible. If you put info in that you find questionable/objectionable, then revert it once and take it up on the talk page. If they put it back in without consensus on the talk page, then bring it up there again.

Use reverts slowly instead of as soon as someone posts something. Don't respond to insults. If necessary, walk away. Leave the article for 24 hrs or a week. Check out the advice about not feeding the trolls.

Going through the RfC process is also a good way to put an end to edit warring. You can also get a Member Advocate to help you through the process, or file an Arb Com case. These are areas that I know less about, but are certainly possibilities. I hope this info helps. Pastordavid 20:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:69.36.179.50 keeps blanking the warnings

I tried to restore but that user keeps blanking on its talkpage. Please review. Ronbo76 06:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just reported him at WP:AIV. Tanaats 06:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please elaborate.

Sure. First, if you haven't already read it, a great intro to this whole anti-v thing is at WP:RCP. One of the things mentioned there is that if vandalisms continue after the required warnings, then the vandal should be reported at WP:AIV.
Blanking warnings off of one's talk page isn't, as far as I know, considered to be "vandalism". However, it can still be reported at AIV. That (the page blanking) is what got the guy blocked. Tanaats 21:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

?

What exactly am I vandalizing?

Nothing. I obviously was not paying enough attention to what I was doing. My apologies. I have removed the warning from your Talk page. Thanks for asking about it. Tanaats 21:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

please reiterate

you claimed i was vandalizing the oblivion wikipage, you can clearly get such information that i corrected for it from the moderators to the official forums who have actual communications with the developers of the game. it would be preferable if you would not automatically presume such alterations are vandalism PS: it would seem you often make such judgements to swiftly --Ditre 05:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. Tanaats 05:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for removing the warning you added --Ditre 05:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that. Going forward I'll start limiting myself to obvious things like "poo" that don't require much focus. Tanaats 05:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

sorry

sorry i did all that nonsense on the winnie-the-pooh page (I just wanted to give my fiend a laugh! nonsence editing won't happen from me again!

No biggie, but thanks. Tanaats 18:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TM Article

FYI I'm a meditator in the Zen tradition, therefore I have little interest in either the practice or politics of TM. TimidGuy requested my input based on my work on source reliability. My opinion is that the use of sources is questionable, verging on the intellectually dishonest, but having provided my views I shall leave you to deal with it using the remaining resolution processes. If you review you're own responses to me then you should be able to see where I would come to the conclusion that there is a significant vested interest in the effects of TM on individuals. It's entirely up to you, but I'm skeptical that either party can reach a neutral representation of the debate without third party assistance, and whoever takes it on is welcome to the challenge.ALR 19:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The term "vested interest" has strong pejorative connotations. It is never used in a positive manner. I find the term offensive when applied to me.
I think that we are completely deadlocked on the RfC. I have told this to TG and suggested that he move on to the next step of DR if he chooses. Tanaats 20:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hey tanaats

hey tanaats it's that kid that wrote things on the winnie the pooh page again! I actually really have stopped editing nonsense and actually keeping a lookout on people who are writing bad stuff and taking it out although i may not know what was there:-( —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.231.212.21 (talk) 04:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Hi there. Oh, I didn't have any doubt that you'd given up putting in nonsense.
I have a suggestion: You might want to wait awhile and get some experience with Wikipedia before taking out other people's bad edits. Since I've started doing it I've made a number of mistakes, and I know my way around here a little better than you do. Maybe that is something you could plan to do later.
Maybe the best thing for you to do is to find an article about something that you enjoy and know something about, and then see if you can improve the article.
I've put some Wikipedia tips on your individual Talk page. Enjoy! Tanaats 05:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

about Deprogramming vs Exit counseling

Why are you denying the two are different? Saying "proponents of the distinction" negates the paragraph above, that states the two are different. Every year or so a merger operation is tried between the two things, and it always failed. The two things are different, simply say that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.186.157.138 (talk) 08:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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Koda Kumi

I'm sorry, Koda Kumi just makes me angry =]

Do you like her? If you dont know who she is, and you found out, i think youd want to do what i did as well. Ayumi Hamasaki should have gotten the Oricon Award this year. Kumi stole it >=[

Ayumi Hamasaki got it 8 years in a row. And stupid Kumi got it this year. Ayumi should have had a 9th year getting the Oricon Award!

No actually I know nothing about Koda Kumi. You may be right, but of course you can't express it that way on Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy editing here. Tanaats 14:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Caching error

Hi, the edit I made was due to some sort of caching, I saw a certain version of the page, with that spam, and then selected the before last history item. unfortunately somebody already did it before me, but I didn't see the change in effect while viewing the page... Sorry for troubling you with the double revert, but it was in good intentions  ;-) 84.108.53.74 / User:nothingmuch

Hi there. No problem at all. I'm certainly not in a position to criticize anyone for editing mistakes, especially for one that is software-induced. Tanaats 23:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know if there is a way to force a page refresh of some sort, to make sure I really am viewing the most recent version? nuffin 23:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've never tried this but you might want to give it a try: Wikipedia:Purge. Tanaats 23:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looks perfect! Thanks both for your guidance and also for watching wikipedia for silly changes. Good night! nuffin 23:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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TimidGuy 18:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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sorry thanks for the heads up

Tang

Did you read the edit summary that went with my change to Tang (drink) before you reverted it as "nonsense"? 216.75.189.61 05:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, did. No way to tell it apart from silly teenage vandalism. Sorry if you didn't intend it that way. Tanaats 05:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I actually wanted to just delete all the poontang jokes from the page, but I thought that deleting material would upset people for sure. Adding the explanation seemed the next best thing - and necessary, because it's not at all obvious why the word "tang" would be funny unless you know that particular slang usage, which is far from universal. I believe that the page without my edit was nonsense. But if "poontang" isn't an allowable subject to mention in Wikipedia, I guess I'd better go ahead and delete. 216.75.189.61 05:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Take it easy, please. Wikipedia is swamped 24 hours a day with vandalism, especially from kids who like to insert a multitude of vulgarities. There's no time for people reverting the vandalism to read the entire article and carefully consider each edit flagged as "possible vandalism" in the context of the entire article. Errors are made. Please don't take it personally. I now do appreciate that you were trying to help. Please do continue to contribute, it won't always be like this, it can be fun. Tanaats 05:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eve Ensler

Saying that Eve Ensler is an American Jew is not vandalism. If you read the article, you would clearly see that she is Jewish.

It was "American Jew playwright that got me. I thought someone was sticking that in as an epithet. I am used to seeing something like "American Jewish playwright" if someone is not intending an epithet. Obviously that now seems to be limitation on my cultural awareness, but I thought I was protecting the article from some anti-Semite so hopefully I can get points for good intentions. Sorry about that. Tanaats 05:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry

I am very sorry what I did to the Myan Civilazation page. Please forgive me and let me edit again. I am mastering english and Tyson Ritter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.198.15.31 (talk) 02:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]


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"Bewildered"

Here and here, as well as on the talkpage discussion, you seem to be focused on, well, who I am, and how quickly I revealed or did not reveal what roles I have here. What I want you to understand is that what's most important is not whether an edit is from an anonymous IP or its by User:Jimbo Wales. I don't go around stating in every edit summary that "I'm an admin, so don't touch this edit", or "I'm part of the OTRS team, so don't touch this edit". The first is not what adminship is about, and the second would often be inappropriate for other reasons. Most of the time I'm just making regular edits, just like anyone else here, and I have a reasonable expectation of them being seriously considered for their merits. Regardless of what extra volunteer work we take on, Wikimedia projects only work when we can rely on other editors to assume good faith. Don't hit the revert button without thinking, even if you disagree with the edit, regardless of whether the editor is an admin or not. Assuming that other editors are out to destroy the project is not only discourteous, it also paralyses any means of fixing problems. WP:AGF, along with our other behaviour guidelines, is there because it is a practical way of working collaboratively, not just because we're all idealists. As long as I'm pointing out practicalities, I'll mention that I'm having trouble understanding why any assertion of status on my part would work. If your assumption is that someone's editing is destructive and that they can't be trusted to know what they're doing, why would you believe them about the existance of a problem that you don't have access to review? All of that said, if you have feedback on what would have made things work better for you, let me know (ideally with a little less, um, enthusiasm). While I've never before had such a reaction to this kind of action on my part, it's almost certain that it will happen again at some point in the future. Jkelly 01:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My points are:
  • Your original deletion of well-sourced material without prior discussion was completely inappropriate.
  • On reverting, I actually provided the exact citation from a reliable source for you.
  • You reverted again with the extremely poor edit comment of "v -- stop, please". So far, this is the exact same behavior that caused Bishonen to block an editor twice.
  • You had still not provided an explanation for deletion of well-sourced material, so I reverted again with the plea "You* stop and explain completely unlaterial and **unexplained** deletion of well-sourced material, discuss on Talk **before** deleting".
  • To which your response was to protect the page. Without any admin warning.
  • Your AGF comment is a double-standard. You could have AGF'd and stopped deleting the same well-sourced material over and over again.
  • I did think before hitting revert. To repeat for the thousandth time, you had deleted well-sourced material without any sort of proper explanation. It is you who need to think before doing such a thing. It is you who needs to justify your actions.
I am totally flabbergasted not only by the edits that I object to, but also by the fact that not only do you defend the unilateral deletion of well-sourced material, you choose to lecture others who tried to put the material back again. I really need another editor to screw my head back on. Tanaats 01:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And...another thing that flabbergasts me is that Jossi has several times, on several pages, stated that he was not allowed to exercise his admin authority on articles that on which he was an editor. My very strong take on Jossi is that he really knows his way around Wikipedia. Yet, since your edits from the very first were as an ordinary editor rather than as an admin, you did exercise admin authority on a page that you were an editor on. So apparently Jossi is completely wrong, and this sort of admin conduct is perfectly ok. This is another thing that really spins my head because, apart from my respect for Jossi, his position on the matter seems to be the only way that Wikipedia could address this issue without allowing rampant admin abuse. This is also something that I apparently need help with. Tanaats 02:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

about that page

Believe me or not I had a friend messing around adding stuff I'm sorry it won't happen again.

-Makk3232 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.123.125.183 (talk) 02:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Hey, no problem. It happens. I hope you stay and that you enjoy editing on Wikipedia. Tanaats 02:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The cult RfC

Just got back from a trip and started to check out the discussion - lots of stuff there! It'll take me some time to go through it. Looks interesting, tho...;) Dreadlocke ☥ 07:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Dreadlocke, and welcome back Tanaats 15:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

It says leave a message... so hi :D

Hi Jrev, hello to you too. Welcome to Wikipedia. I've but some helpful hints on your talk page. Enjoy. Tanaats 15:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

i am sorry about that, plx forgive me

You really don't need any forgiveness at all, this was a tiny thing. :) But thanks! Tanaats 20:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to offend

Sorry to cause offense, I'm part of a group of students that is doing an experiment using Wikipedia, it was absolutely essential for us to find out the rate of review, and revision that is made on Wikipedia so we could decide the best way for us to proceed. Thank you for your help in my research, and I assure you that any further posts of mine will be academic. Again, I'm sorry for the trouble. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.232.103.143 (talk) 03:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

No problem, thanks! Tanaats 17:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello.

My name is Jackie Fiest and I am a registered Wikipedia member.

I came to Wikipedia today following a link and found a message of vandalism.

It's worth pointing out that this IP and computer are public computers located at the University of Texas at El Paso. Chances are the person who did the offense never saw it. I would suggest banning this IP from editing unless the person is signed in. That way, inncocent people, like me, don't get accused of being vandals when we visit.

I am a student at Tulane. What I posted was not vandalism, but actually happened. It is unfortunate you take down information you automatically assume to be false.

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