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"Baseless" claim re pizza boxes should be changed to "mistaken"?

The legacy of Donald Trump and his "alternative facts" here I think. Although in a grammatic sense a baseless claim, false claim, and mistaken claim etc are essentially the same thing, they have (especially post-Trump) come to be different.

Re this bit - "Social media rumors baselessly attributed Andrew Tate's arrest to pizza boxes shown in his response video to Greta Thunberg, which Romanian authorities denied."

(e.g. If a train driver sees a red light dangled maliciously by a trespasser on the line and stops - would his reasoning really be considered "baseless" rather than "mistaken"? Unlike say if they falsely claimed to have seen a red light as an excuse when stopping for some other unauthorised reason?)

So;

Tate released a video featuring Romanian pizza boxes, and was then arrested in Romania by the police there, leading Thunberg supporters to (mistakenly) assert that (the roving) Tate had unwittingly alerted Romanian police that he was (back) in the country.

That view wasn't "baseless" in the post Trump sense, it was mistaken. The Romanian pizza boxes were really in the video and it was a reasonable assumption etc even if wrong.

(It matters also due to the similarities between Trump supporters and Tate supporters - presently it could somehow allude that Thunberg supporters also engage in "baseless" behaviour) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.210.174 (talk) 12:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was a reasonable assumption I strenuously disagree, and don't believe any sources see it like that. It was a preposterous claim, asserted confidently as fact, that was claimed to be sourced to a Gandul article, but that article never mentioned Thunberg or made any such claims. Gândul called it "fabulation", and reported that the Tate brothers were caught due to satellite surveillance and wiretapping. Romania happens to be a competent country with a decent police force, not a country made of papier-mâché and cardboard that would need social media pics to catch someone. And I don't think this reflect poorly on Thunberg or her supporters at all, since they were certainly in it "for the memes"; but the claim itself is most accurately described as "baseless". DFlhb (talk) 12:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading

"Tate was raised in the Christian faith.[17]" This sentence is misleading. Tate has converted to Islam which isn't mentioned anywhere here. After he converted to Islam he visited the show of famous muslim youtubers Muhammad Hijab to talk about his conversion. He was also seen in a Mosque praying with his muslim friend. He believes "Islam is the last religion on earth" and has spoken negatively about the current state of Christianity. 2003:CD:5F03:0:9F13:2DC4:D12:BF55 (talk) 16:41, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't understand why so many IP editors believe this article doesn't mention Tate's conversion to Islam. His conversion has been mentioned here ever since it was announced. DFlhb (talk) 17:18, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From what I understand, he did not convert to Eastern Orthodoxy either through baptism or chrismation and calling him one just because he offered donations and went to Church sometimes is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.30.192.32 (talk) 05:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not for us to define it. He called himself an Orthodox Christian in 2022, per the Premier source. That's what we're going with: Premier reporting what he said. —C.Fred (talk) 16:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 February 2023

Stance part; he is Muslim not orthodox 5.45.129.213 (talk) 21:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Verified at BoxRec. If he did not fight in an orthodox stance, we would use the common term, southpaw. —C.Fred (talk) 21:43, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To add to the previous comment, orthodox refers to Orthodox stance, not to religion! Though that's an understandable misunderstanding. DFlhb (talk) 07:34, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DFlhb Thank you for pointing this out, especially since later in the article, there's a passage where he is reported as having self-identified as Orthodox Christian. I checked: the infobox links to orthodox stance; if it didn't, I was going to link it to try to mitigate confusion. —C.Fred (talk) 16:39, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 February 2023

As he has been converted to Islam update in dashboard of wiki first page. Thank you 42.105.48.183 (talk) 02:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: There is no religion parameter in the infobox. —C.Fred (talk) 02:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding mentioning his religion

As wiki says that he has been converted to ISLAM then show it on wiki dashboard 42.105.49.101 (talk) 13:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The "stance" part of his infobox refers to his martial arts stance. His conversion to Islam is mentioned in the personal life section of the article as has been since his conversion was announced in October. This is actually the third request in a row asking about this, I have to wonder why this has been brought up so often? — Askarion ✉ 13:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Askarion was it all by ip users? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 03:24, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All four since February 25 have been. There is no religion parameter in the infobox, as C.Fred said, so we couldn't add it even if we wanted to. — Askarion ✉ 12:09, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tate impersonators

There is at least one person who is impersonating Andrew Tate, presumably to make money off his fanbase. There may well be others, too (in addition to the guys who impersonate Tate for comedic reasons, such as the gay TikToker who goes by “Bottom G”). Are any of the fake Tates notable enough to mention here? LonelyBoy2012 (talk) 02:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 March 2023

Emory Andrew Tate III is NOT a self-declared misogynist! 91.187.148.150 (talk) 16:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Per the cited source, “You can’t be responsible for a dog if it doesn’t obey you.” He has said he would attack a woman who accused him of cheating and described himself as “absolutely a misogynist.” ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:42, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article is too in favor of Andrew Tate

He is literally a professional misogynist. He operates a cult dedicated to women hatred and "playboy" strategies known as the War Room. This feels very weird not being in the lead introduction 80.57.110.242 (talk) 07:52, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on linking to Tate's website

Andrew Tate's website is a WP:LINKSTOAVOID violation due to the fact that it directly promotes his "business", which has been widely described as a scam by multiple sources. Per the policy on not including this type of material, it should be removed. Not to mention the fact that it links to external harassment and encourages violence against women, another violation. Therefore, it should be swiftly removed. 2402:4000:21C2:5503:1CD6:962D:6E6C:7AE7 (talk) 08:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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