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"spear-phishing" typo to be corrected please

Could whoever has edit rights to this article please fix this obvious typing error. In the 1st sentence in the 2nd par of the article it reads :

"In March 2016, the personal email account of John Podesta, Hillary Clinton's campaign chair, was hacked in a spear-phishing attack. WikiLeaks published his emails in November 2016. "

The words spear-phishing should obviously read phishing

Note that the hyperlink is correct.

It may be possible to determine who inserted this typing error, which seems to me to be an act of malicious vandalism by people who should be banned from Wiki Pierre Hugot (talk) 05:21, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Pierre Hugot: this is wikipedia, we all have edit rights. i dont know if you are just unfamiliar with the terminology and thought it was racist or what, but spear phishing is a very real method of social engineering, and it differs from regular phishing in that:
“Spear phishing is a specific and targeted attack on one or a select number of victims, while regular phishing attempts to scam masses of people. In spear phishing, scammers often use social engineering and spoofed emails to target specific individuals in an organization.”
source
 
which, is exactly what is being described in the paragraph you had erroneously edited. again, spear phishing is merely a targeted form of phishing. it has nothing to do with racism here.
to be completely fair, what happened to podesta could also be considered whaling, which is simply the use of spear phishing techniques to target senior executives and other high-profile individuals. however, since whaling is nothing more than spear phishing with loftier goals, i think reverting back to “spear phishing” will be sufficient, and it should avoid the need to link to or provide the definition of, a completely new term, such as “whaling”... if you still have a problem with spear phishing as some sort of racial trigger, feel free to mention it here and we can discuss possibly opting for “whaling” instead. if you do reply, please ping me or whatever so i get a notification next time i log in.
 
thank you for your patience and understanding.
Snarevox (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Sound of Freedom (film) regarding inclusion of connections to QAnon

There is a discussion at Talk:Sound of Freedom (film) which may interest the regular readers of this talk page. Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 July 2023

Pizzagate conspiracy theory → Pizzagate (conspiracy theory) – For consistency with Spygate (conspiracy theory). GnocchiFan (talk) 21:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Leaning oppose. The brackets on Spygate (conspiracy theory) are only there because they serve to disambiguate between that and some other things also called "Spygate". Spygate itself is a disambiguation page for them. That is not the case here. Pizzagate is not a disambiguation. It just redirects to here. So I don't think the same logic automatically applies here. One question is what the topic is most properly called? Is it a conspiracy theory called "Pizzagate"? In that case I think that either name, with or without the brackets would be OK. Is it called the "Pizzagate conspiracy theory"? In that case it would be wrong to add the brackets. Either way, I'm not seeing any compelling need to change the name to add brackets and I think it would be best to just leave it as it is. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:49, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Pizzagate per WP:CONCISE. No disambiguation in the title is required here, whether WP:NATURAL or parenthetical. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Disambiguation is not the reason why we have "conspiracy theory" in the title. As Q5 of the FAQ says, "Due to the "-gate" suffix implying some sort of genuine scandal, letting the name stand alone may unintentionally lend credence to an unsupported conspiracy theory." So, I think the question of whether we need the brackets is on the table but the question of whether we need "conspiracy theory" is asked, answered and enshrined in the FAQ as a settled yes. (BTW, sorry if I inadvertently suggested this idea to you with my poorly worded !vote above. I have revised it now to be clearer.) DanielRigal (talk) 22:43, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree with the FAQ rationale. Our general article titling policies favor moving the article to simply Pizzagate. However, if the choice is between the current title or the proposed title, then I oppose the move as WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION is preferable to parenthetical disambiguation, especially in this case where the parenthetical disambiguator wouldn't even really be a disambiguator but as some kind of weird conspiracy theory title warning.Rreagan007 (talk) 23:14, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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