Talk:Thrash metal

TheStrober

Quite frankly I dont think you guys are giving that fella enough credit, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN-ZOqVIKjA&ab_channel=TheStrober Just listen and see if it qualifies as thrash. The only reason you are reverting the edits is because it (incredulously) isnt as famous as Metallica) --2A02:C7F:901F:2A00:DD91:2E26:C3E5:A7F9 (talk) 17:43, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

You are literally proving the chorus in his song correct --2A02:C7F:901F:2A00:DD91:2E26:C3E5:A7F9 (talk) 17:43, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

We Are Not Your Puppet's link is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inf-XNJs5to&ab_channel=TheStrober lets show Boris Johnson what happens to jealous nutcases like him. --MR Messager (talk) 16:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Please find multiple independent reliable sources that support your claim. "Go and watch this Youtube video" isn't going to cut it.  Wisdom89 ^♦talk 16:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Thrash Was A Philosophical Reaction?

This sentence in the intro I think misinforms rather than anything else.

"Philosophically, thrash metal developed as a backlash against both the conservatism of the Reagan era[6] and the much more moderate, pop-influenced and widely accessible heavy metal subgenre of glam metal which also developed concurrently in the 1980s.[7]"

Thrash was not a "backlash", philosophically or otherwise. Besides conflating, and confusing, the two concepts of "philosophical" and "political", the sentence is just plain factually wrong. In the 80s, 90s, and later, people who hate Thrash, or simply don't understand it, accused it of being fascist to the point of Nazi racism. That's totally untrue, of course, though lots of Metal bands have used the same kind of imagery that fascist political parties did -- Celtic symbols, runes, Norse Gods, monsters, the examples are so numerous as to stretch the capacity of article itself, let alone this post.

One of the basic aspects of Thrash was taking Metal in a heavier direction, and merging in some respects with Hardcore Punk with speed being the major element. The latter seemed to be influenced in some ways by Metal in the reverse direction, in particular by learning how to play their instruments. Punks and Metalheads really didn't like each other very much in the late 70s, but the one band they agreed on was Motorhead, and the Thrash boys took a good deal from there. Lemmy from Motorhead used the Iron Cross all the time, liked American Civil War stuff, including the Confederate rebel flag, war themes, etc. These are not exactly favorites of liberal political types. Still, some left-wing political nonsense followed with the Punks, but Thrash does not seem to be distinctly political in any conventional sense. If anything it's more a right wing phenomenon "philosophically" than left-wing political, weak-kneed, anti-American junk. Megadeth has in its very name a reference to nuclear war, and has a good deal of political pessimism about the "Countdown to Extinction" and all that, so there are counter examples. Most Thrash wasn't of that kind -- it was rebellious and angry, but that's a pretty generic strain in Rock as a general matter. Thrash just took it a step further, and decidedly distinguished itself from the Glam Metal that came out of David Lee Roth, Slade, and Kiss (in some of its weird disco-metal moments). It wasn't a "reaction" to Glam, they just hated the "hair bands" as a kind of betrayal of what Metal was supposed to be.

Mentioning the whole "philosophical" thing is a bad idea since I don't think there was one that unifies this form of Metal, certainly not in a political sense. People didn't even know what to call "Thrash" in the early 1980s. The terms "power", "thrash", and "speed" were used interchangeably until after the fact, when writers looking back started categorizing things, and also found that Death Metal, Black Metal had been there all along too, just without being conscious of the genre in which they were working. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sychonic (talk • contribs) 08:29, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2021

Under the "Mid-1980s" subsection, fix the ordering of Overkill and Megadeth's albums to be in respective order. Either have the albums swap places or have the artists swap places with each other. Mega2447 (talk) 01:57, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. Mega2447, could you be more specific as to which sentences/phrases should be swapped? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:01, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Mega2447 Fixed it. Thanks for pointing that out. MetalDiablo666 (talk) 14:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC)