Talk:Ludwig van Beethoven

Hair

As this is a vital article, wouldn't it be better to link to the actual study, rather than newspaper accounts of it? : https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(23)00181-1 Additionally - and this may be a bizarre suggestion - since so much has been written about Beethoven's hair (including a full-length book), might that warrant a separate section or paragraph in the article? (True confession: I cataloged The New York Public Library's lock of Beethoven's hair.) - kosboot (talk) 13:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The study would be nice, maybe a sentence in the autopsy/sentence section... but I really don't think we should really be adding anything substantial to the already massive life section. We need to have as much room as possible for the music and legacy sections, which are currently missing huge amounts of information. – Aza24 (talk) 19:35, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Birthplace

Under the heading "Family and early life" in the second paragraph the address of his birth is listed as "Bonnstrasse", which is now the Beethoven House, while the text under the picture of the house says "Bonngasse". The latter is correct Wim (talk) 05:22, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

DNA

DNA study of LvB did not find any relatives in Benelux. --95.24.70.23 (talk) 20:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

This is Hans Gruber Beethoven? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:190:DB40:C5B8:FFC3:FD07:66B6 (talk) 16:12, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Also known as Louis van Beethoven later in his career...

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47.209.251.152 (talk) 15:39, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

yes, and also Luigi, see dedication for Piano Sonata No. 14. - That was common at the time, not worth writing, if you ask me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2023

Mechelen was never part of the duchy of Brabant, it was a free city, and therefore selected as the capital of the Austrian low countries since is was not related to any duchy or county. 2A02:A03F:8A0D:A100:D1BD:D142:462C:3C46 (talk) 22:47, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:43, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

"Country" of birth and death

I can't say that the previous discussions around adding the country of van Beethoven's birth and death weren't in good faith, but something seems off about them. It is verifiable fact that Bonn was part of, and the capital of the Electorate of Cologne in 1770, that the Electorate of Cologne was part of the HRE, and that Vienna was part of, and the capital of the Austrian Empire in 1827. Michael Bednarek suggested in 2019 that adding the countries to the infobox would present a diversion into the complicated statehoods of Austria and Germany but, frankly, this is untrue. Consensus in the past has been that adding the countries of birth and death to the infobox would be unnecessary, but as Nazarov pointed out, there seem to have been no real reasons presented for such other than things similar to "Vienna is famous enough that its country doesn't need to be mentioned", but when it comes to the historical, history is complicated enough that I feel it does need to have clarification. MacDoesWiki (talk) 16:57, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

I just don't think anyone really cares, to be honest. I've never seen the "Electorate of Cologne" or "HRE" mentioned in any articles or biographies about Beethoven. So why would we? Wikipedia is fundamentally a reflection of secondary sources. Aza24 (talk) 22:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Another example of the poinless and time-wasting arguments that infoboxes seem to bring with them. Personally I favour infoboxes using just the modern country, which a lot of them still do. Johnbod (talk) 02:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

That would actually work really well. It could be something like "Bonn, Electorate of Cologne (now Germany)" and "Vienna, Austrian Empire (now Austria)", which are examples I believe I've seen before. MacDoesWiki (talk) 02:30, 3 December 2023 (UTC)