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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by EdJogg (talk | contribs) at 12:57, 11 April 2007 (→HMS Sultan's Super Sentinel steam lorry: unsigned). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Start on Clean Up

I have made a start on the clean-up of this page. I have added sections as a prompt to myself (and other contributers) for future editions, at least for now, please don't removed them just because there is no test yet. AHEMSLTD 19:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This article makes it look like Sentinel under Rolls Royce ownership only produced under 100 0-6-0 diesel shunting locomotives. In reality they produced hundreds upon hundreds of the things for a huge number of customers, and they weren't called "steelman" either! They also produced 0-4-0 chain and rod drive versions, as well as some 0-8-0s for the army. I know for a fact that the 0-4-0s were produced and arrived to customers BEFORE 1967 in some cases, so I don't know what this article is on about! The "Steelman" as I understand it was a Thomas hill modification of the Sentinel 0-4-0 chain drive design, and was made specifically for the army, I believe. It may also be worth mentioning that when the Rolls Royce Sentinel was released, it was the first shunter of it's kind, introducing new standards to the industry - many leading industrial shunter manufacturing companies had to literally copy the design style and philosophy just to keep up with the competition. Hunslet, English Electric, Andrew Barclay, and many others all made locomotives to a similar design. Also, it might be worth mentioning the fact that Rolls Royce incorporated their famous bonnet and radiator shape to the engine hoods and radiator of the shunting locomotives - this has long been part of the identity of Rolls Royce, and was intended to force the association with Rolls Royce, a name that everyone knows and trusts to produce reliable, quality machinery. The manufacturers wanted the customers to see the locomotive as they would see a Rolls Royce car; that is to say, it is in a league of it's own, above all others, and as such a worthwhile investment. Manchester Ship Canal and British Steel were two of the biggest customers of Rolls Royce Sentinels. --Badharlick 05:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Rolls Royce and Diesel Locomotives at Shrewsbury

When Rolls Royce took over Sentinel, they stopped Steam work and started produced of an all new line of diesel locomotives which were sold under the name of 'Sentinel', in 1964 the name changed to 'Rolls Royce' but there was no real change to the locomotives produced. This continued to 1969.

Question - Should the diesel locomotive production be covered on this page (there is nothing on the Rolls Royce pages) or should it be on its own page for example: -

Rolls Royce (Shrewsbury) Ltd

or

Sentinel / Rolls Royce locomotive production

I would welcome you comments. AHEMSLTD 19:46, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Hill (Rotherham) Limited

A big chunk about Thomas Hill, the successor to Sentinel. It may be too detailed (I'm happy to edit it down if anybody has a firm view) and, to repeat the question above, should it be here?

As always all comments gratefully welcome

Thomas Hill were a loco builder in their own right, so make a page for Thomas Hill (Rotherham) Ltd. I had intended to put a few notes up, but this looks good for starters. If anything, I would have divided it up with headings. For this (sentinel) page, just needs a note on connection with TH and link to TH page. AHEMSLTD 19:56, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have been wikifying the part moved to Thomas Hill (Rotherham) Ltd and some parts of it should be moved here. It needs a bit of thought though as in their later years the 2 companies were very closely related.--NHSavage 12:25, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've now tried to make the relationship clearer. It does not help that the Thomas Hill page is not always completely clear which company it is talking about (no doubt made more confusing by the v close relationship).--NHSavage 14:27, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

HMS Sultan's Super Sentinel steam lorry

Just found this preserved example, if you're interested. Sounds like one of the last chain-drive examples built. Not sure it qualifies as an external link, but it might be of interest. Site includes some statistics about the vehicle/engine, original purchase price (£692 in 1929!), conversion to electric lighting/pneumatic tyres, etc

(Added by me - 07 Feb 2007 -- EdJogg 12:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

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