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Maria Branyas Morera

Regarding your original undo https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maria_Branyas&oldid=1241309900, your statement 'Catalonia is not a country' is vague. For instance, the article about Sean Connery says he was a Scottish actor, which following your reasoning it must be wrong, it should say 'English actor'.

Maria Branyas Morera was a Catalan woman, with both (first and second) surnames being Catalan. Mikaku (talk) 14:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikaku: Sorry, but you're even wrong on the example you gave. "Scottish" and "English" are not even the same thing. I think you meant "British"— citizens of the United Kingdom are called British, not English. In the case of the UK, that is a separate, individual case that is not worth making parallels to as none of the conventions there apply here. Spanish citizens aren't variously described as "Asturian", "Galician", "Valencian", "Basque", etc. Catalan is akin to all of those, since Catalonia holds the same status as all of those-- an autonomous community of Spain. Please stop the nonsense. Rafael Nadal, for example, isn't described as a "Balearic" tennis player, nor is Carlos Fabra Carreras a "Valencian" politician. The way to describe Spanish citizens is "Spanish", not their individual regions. Just because Catalans hav e a stronger regional identity doesn't mean she shouldn't be described as Spanish. Paul Vaurie (talk) 14:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, you're arguing that because she was Catalan, and that her names were Catalan, she has to be described as Catalan. This is wrong, see WP:ETHNICITY. We don't describe French people of Breton ethnicity as Breton in the opening sentence. We don't describe Italian of Sicilian ethnicity as Sicilian in the opening sentence. We use French and Italian, respectively. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Calling Scottish to Sean Connery is exactly the same as calling Catalan to Maria Branyas, since either have a Scottish nor Catalan passport respectively (as you said). Following your reasoning you must change the Sean Connery article substituting 'Scottish' by 'British'. Mikaku (talk) 15:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stop making false equivalencies, please. There are many differences in the political and cultural contexts. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:06, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are these differences in the political and culture status please? Mikaku (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are: not relevant to the situation here. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What? they are irrelevant. You are negating the existence of the Catalan nationality but accepts the existence of the Scottish nationality. Mikaku (talk) 15:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And you are refusing to make a coherent argument and prefer to use whataboutism and false equivalencies. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I already told you that Wikipedia accepts Catalans as a nationality. See the article about Catalans: "The current official category of "Catalans" is that of the citizens of Catalonia, a nationality and autonomous community in Spain and ..."
Maria Branyas Morera was a citizen of Catalonia, hence she was a Catalan woman. Mikaku (talk) 15:26, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, she was a citizen of Spain. You're refusing to confront the facts. What kind of passport did she have again? Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The demonym "Catalan" can also be literally applied to North Catalonia, which is not part of "Catalonia" as defined legally... according to the same sentence you cited. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then if the passport means all for you, again, what kind of passport did Sean Connery have? Mikaku (talk) 15:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grow up. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:31, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do whatever you want, but don't let your proven hate to Catalans show you as an ignorant. Mikaku (talk) 15:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nice job, you've made a false assumption that I hate Catalans. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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